Bay 12 Games Forum

Finally... => Forum Games and Roleplaying => Mafia => Topic started by: webadict on March 16, 2009, 11:48:46 pm

Title: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on March 16, 2009, 11:48:46 pm
So, the other game idea never worked, so I will run another game of DF Mafia! I decided a new thread was needed, since the other was muddied up with lots of other things and the whole players list needed an update anyhow.

Anyhow, I've slightly updated roles (Woodcrafter is now known, added Royal Guard and Elf abilities, removed Traitor ability)

Spoiler: Roles (click to show/hide)

Number of Players: 15+
Total Count: 17 (?)

Player List:

Red = Dead
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: inaluct on March 16, 2009, 11:52:07 pm
Sign me up.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Squeegy on March 16, 2009, 11:53:13 pm
I sign the SHIT out of this up.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Mephansteras on March 16, 2009, 11:54:44 pm
I'll sign up again. Hopefully we'll do a better job finding the elves this time.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Cheeetar on March 17, 2009, 12:23:30 am
Sign me up.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Karlito on March 17, 2009, 12:56:53 am
Me too.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on March 17, 2009, 01:08:09 am
I already signed up before. Sign me up again, also the sheriff having two checks a night plus the child checking once per day seems unbalanced. I think the sheriff should revert back to 1 checking.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Karlito on March 17, 2009, 01:09:53 am
That's not what the power is.  A round is the whole entire game.  Twice during the round he can determine the exact role of a person, instead of just elf or dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on March 17, 2009, 01:14:06 am
Oh, sorry for the confusion. At least I cleared that up before the game began.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Alexhans on March 17, 2009, 08:22:34 am
Im in, Hopefully I'll stay alive for more than 1 day...
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 17, 2009, 05:13:53 pm
Oi! More people should join!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Org on March 17, 2009, 05:45:49 pm
Im in.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 19, 2009, 08:15:49 pm
This needs a good bumping.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Org on March 19, 2009, 08:16:31 pm
You're a wizard, Harry.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 19, 2009, 08:16:54 pm
How can anyone ignore this? Everyone should sign up.

Also, more penguins!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 19, 2009, 08:28:15 pm
You're a wizard, Harry.
You win the internet.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Org on March 19, 2009, 08:29:10 pm
I can haz intarwebz?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 19, 2009, 08:30:51 pm
I can haz intarwebz?
Only if you haven't just lost the game. Now, who else will join? Come one, come all, to webadict's wonderful, spectacular, Dwarf Fotress Mafia! Only one ticket for entry!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 20, 2009, 09:28:08 pm
I will endlessly bump this until I get enough players...
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Org on March 20, 2009, 09:28:43 pm
BUMP FOR HYPOCRISY!

JOIN OR DIE!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Flintus10 on March 21, 2009, 05:37:46 am
I thought I had already joined  ??? wierd..anyways I will sign up. (and survive past a night hopefully...)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Alexhans on March 21, 2009, 06:47:52 pm
I love your new avatar webadict...  :) Harry Penguin.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 21, 2009, 11:55:06 pm
I love your new avatar webadict...  :) Harry Penguin.
Yeah well... the spells aren't nearly as great. I mean, I still haven't gotten Accio Sign-ups to work.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Archangel on March 22, 2009, 03:39:16 am
I'll join, but I'm an Ausse so I probably won't be online at the same time as anyone else. Will that be a problem?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Flintus10 on March 22, 2009, 03:56:55 am
few of us are aussies anyways. (or at least one)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: inaluct on March 22, 2009, 01:41:53 pm
It probably won't matter.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2009, 09:11:58 pm
It won't matter a bit. I'll probably make rounds two days this time, since I failed at updating last round.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 23, 2009, 01:15:14 am
In on thi-

webadict, what's with your avatar?

...

WHAT'S WITH ALL OF YOUR AVATARS?!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 23, 2009, 08:10:34 am
In on thi-

webadict, what's with your avatar?

...

WHAT'S WITH ALL OF YOUR AVATARS?!
It's inaluct's fault. He started the trend and then it spiraled out of control.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Solifuge on March 23, 2009, 10:34:02 pm
I'm going to have to sign up for this.

Also, yes. I am a sheepenguin.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Karlito on March 23, 2009, 11:03:18 pm
But you're also Superpenguinly Moxious.  Where's your accordion?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Alexhans on March 23, 2009, 11:18:23 pm
wow karlito! loved your's too!  :)  It keeps your personal touch.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 24, 2009, 11:32:21 am
Curses. We need 3 more in order to have 15!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: Zai on March 24, 2009, 04:24:27 pm
Is that so?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!]
Post by: webadict on March 24, 2009, 04:45:17 pm
Is that so?
Correction. I need 1 more to make 15. I can't count nor can I find out who's playing.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 24, 2009, 05:12:19 pm
The math is a lie.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: webadict on March 24, 2009, 05:48:17 pm
And that makes 15. If you want to join, you'll have a few hours. Otherwise, round is starting at 10 Central.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 24, 2009, 06:01:16 pm
Err...I'm already signed up, Web. I just felt like making a joke, is all.

Although playing two characters in a mafia game could be interesting...
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: webadict on March 24, 2009, 06:03:06 pm
Err...I'm already signed up, Web. I just felt like making a joke, is all.

Although playing two characters in a mafia game could be interesting...
Way to make me screw up... Now I'm thoroughly confused.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: Org on March 24, 2009, 06:13:21 pm
Err...I'm already signed up, Web. I just felt like making a joke, is all.

Although playing two characters in a mafia game could be interesting...
What if one is an elf? You cant tell anyone.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 24, 2009, 06:14:25 pm
Well, I could always pull a Fobos and get one of them lynched on the first turn. :P
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: webadict on March 25, 2009, 09:28:59 am
One more player! C'mon!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on March 25, 2009, 03:30:18 pm
I'm in.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: webadict on March 25, 2009, 03:43:03 pm
WOO! Now everyone has a couple of hours to join until I start. Dun dun dun!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: LASD on March 25, 2009, 04:46:22 pm
I'm a dwarf. I'm in.

EDIT: Dammit, did I just get fooled by a misguiding title and a non-updated OP? I think yes, so I guess I'm out. I think I'd better go sleeping now.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: webadict on March 25, 2009, 05:17:24 pm
Why can't LASD sign up?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 25, 2009, 05:20:40 pm
I'll sign up, if only because I'm thoroughly bored.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 [Sign-Up Now!] (Round 2 players need to sign up again!)
Post by: webadict on March 26, 2009, 12:48:28 am
Word spread of the Elves that had taken down the fortress. Time passed, and the stories spread, becoming legends. After a few decades, the stories were distorted, being the ghost stories of little Dwarf children. It wasn't until much later that only a few dwarves recalled the tale.

That was when the Elves came back, in full force. The mountainhome was attacked in a war that killed many on both sides. In another rash move, the Elves tried the same ploy again. The new Dwarf Queen was then brutally murdered by these invaders.

The remaining Dwarves sought out to find these invaders.


It is now Day 1. Find the Dwarves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Cheeetar on March 26, 2009, 03:17:36 am
I am a dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Archangel on March 26, 2009, 03:24:10 am
I am A dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Solifuge on March 26, 2009, 03:35:27 am
I am a Dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Karlito on March 26, 2009, 03:47:24 am
Hey, I'm a dwarf too.  What a coincidence!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on March 26, 2009, 04:06:00 am
I'm a dwarf. I feel like I randomly voting just to get some action started. As the best way to find a elf is to analyze everyone's post, if no one posts we will never find the elves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Org on March 26, 2009, 06:09:03 am
I am a dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Flintus10 on March 26, 2009, 06:19:17 am
I am a dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on March 26, 2009, 06:51:57 am
I'm a dwarf too, and unlike the last two rounds, I am not the child! (or maybe I am.. nope)

Although I have a feeling that such a statement will probably attract elves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: LASD on March 26, 2009, 08:32:18 am
I'm a dwarf too.

Sorry webadict for being confusing, I thought you wanted to start with exactly 16 players.

And now to take a pot shot one of these "dwarves", or better yet at some unsuspecting, not-yet-posting elf (hopefully). Or better yet a game-spanning OMGUS vote at penguinofhonor.

Nah, I go with option 2 and so Squeegy.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Alexhans on March 26, 2009, 09:06:15 am
I am bored of saying I'm a Dwarf when all I do is tell the truth.

I'm an Law-alligned elf-hating dwarf.
Quote
Number of Players: 15+
Total Count: 17 (?)

Player List:

inaluct
Squeegy
Mephansteras
Cheeetar
Karlito
A_Fey_Dwarf
Alexhans
penguinofhonor
Org
Flintus10
Archangel
Pandarsenic
Solifuge
Zaithemaster
qwertyuiopas
LASD (?)
chaoticjosh
Take your pick...
As much as I love discussion in this games by random voting I think that here we have to take into consideration the no lynch option.
We always have a lot to gain from the roles.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 26, 2009, 10:13:32 am
Hey man, I love lynching and stuff but...

No lynch

The dwarves have quite a few characters with special abilities, I say we wait until they work their magic, and THEN we lynch.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 26, 2009, 10:21:45 am
I am a dwarf.

For now I will go with no lynch, unless I see some very suspicious behavior that changes my mind.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Org on March 26, 2009, 03:36:45 pm
No Lynch. I am dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on March 26, 2009, 03:54:47 pm
No Lynch.

The odds are against a successful lynch on the first turn.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Org on March 26, 2009, 04:04:31 pm
So...when is the round closing? Day, I mean?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 26, 2009, 04:11:50 pm
No lynch.

I am all of the dwarves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Alexhans on March 26, 2009, 04:31:26 pm
He said it here Org.. Read the whole thread:
I'm a dwarf too, and unlike the last two rounds, I am not the child! (or maybe I am.. nope)

Although I have a feeling that such a statement will probably attract elves.

I'm also really decided on No Lynch.  There isn't much discussion going on anyway... and we could kill a PR by mistake.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: webadict on March 26, 2009, 04:53:07 pm
So...when is the round closing? Day, I mean?
It ends tomorrow at 10:00 Central. (3 GMT)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Karlito on March 26, 2009, 05:27:29 pm
I am all of the dwarves.
Wouldn't the child actually read this statement as false no matter what?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Zai on March 26, 2009, 05:48:57 pm
I am most definitely a dwarf.

For now, i'll be voting no lynch. the new elf abilities make the Game more difficult for us dwarves, though.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 26, 2009, 05:51:14 pm
Which of the Elf abilities are new? I don't want to go check previous rounds.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Alexhans on March 26, 2009, 05:56:07 pm
Pandar... Say "Im a Dwarf" Correctly
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: webadict on March 26, 2009, 06:02:59 pm
Which of the Elf abilities are new? I don't want to go check previous rounds.
All of them.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Zai on March 26, 2009, 06:07:41 pm
I didn't mention this before.

I am all of the dwarves.
Wouldn't the child actually read this statement as false no matter what?

Unless he's the Sly Elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 26, 2009, 07:08:07 pm
I am a dwarf.

I vote for no lynch as well. I'm not sure if we've ever lynched a mob member on the first day.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 26, 2009, 07:45:29 pm
With the sheer number of town night roles in this game, it'd be silly to. Unlike a basic mafia game, a LOT of people can learn stuff over night. So the risk of killing an important town role just isn't worth it. Sure, we'll lose someone tonight, but we can get a lot of information out of it so it'll be worth it.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: inaluct on March 26, 2009, 09:15:46 pm
I am all of the dwarves.
Suspicious. When I'm an elf, I try to say things like that that won't give conclusive readings. I highly recommend that Pandarsenic be scanned or investigated.

I am a dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Alexhans on March 26, 2009, 09:23:43 pm
fu%$( it! Vote Pandarsenic until he changes his wording.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: inaluct on March 26, 2009, 09:38:41 pm
Damn, I forgot to vote Pandarsenic.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 26, 2009, 09:47:31 pm
I'll admit that Pandar is a pretty smart guy, and a typo like that is beneath him.

Pandarsenic

If that is indeed some way to trick out the child's lie detection ability, then yeah, it's pretty obvious.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Cheeetar on March 26, 2009, 11:59:23 pm
I think he was just trying to make a joke. I'm not going to vote until Pandarsenic makes a reply.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Solifuge on March 27, 2009, 12:41:45 am
No Lynch. PR roles offer us too much. Besides, Pandarsenic was probably being funny.

Still, I'd encourage him to make a more conclusive statement, or it'd start to be actually suspicious.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Archangel on March 27, 2009, 01:33:42 am
I vote no lynch.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 27, 2009, 01:40:09 am
Come on, you guys know I know better than that.

I am a dwarf.

Actually, I suggest a better term:

I AM MOST BENEFITED BY THE DEATH OF THE ANTI-TOWN ROLES.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Cheeetar on March 27, 2009, 02:41:39 am
Pandarsenic, stop adding so much other stuff to your claims of dwarfdom. Just say "I am a dwarf" and there everything will be clear when the child investigates.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 27, 2009, 03:26:07 am
Pandarsenic, stop adding so much other stuff to your claims of dwarfdom. Just say "I am a dwarf" and there everything will be clear when the child investigates.
I did.

But "I am most benefited by the death of the Anti-Town Roles" is a statement more relevant to the situation in the future, as a Dwarven Traitor is still a Dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Flintus10 on March 27, 2009, 05:05:41 am
I will vote no lynch. Not enough evidence against anybody yet to make me sure they are an elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Cheeetar on March 27, 2009, 05:10:57 am
Pandarsenic, stop adding so much other stuff to your claims of dwarfdom. Just say "I am a dwarf" and there everything will be clear when the child investigates.
I did.

But "I am most benefited by the death of the Anti-Town Roles" is a statement more relevant to the situation in the future, as a Dwarven Traitor is still a Dwarf.
"Come on, you guys know I know better than that."

That could be construed as either true or false.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Karlito on March 27, 2009, 08:27:24 am
Come on Cheeetar, let it go.

No Lynch
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 27, 2009, 09:38:50 am
I feel Pandar has made reparations,

No lynch
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Alexhans on March 27, 2009, 02:22:00 pm
Pandarsenic, stop adding so much other stuff to your claims of dwarfdom. Just say "I am a dwarf" and there everything will be clear when the child investigates.
I agree.  Unvote
Pandarsenic, stop adding so much other stuff to your claims of dwarfdom. Just say "I am a dwarf" and there everything will be clear when the child investigates.
I did.

But "I am most benefited by the death of the Anti-Town Roles" is a statement more relevant to the situation in the future, as a Dwarven Traitor is still a Dwarf.
Yes but it's subjective.  Opinionated.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Alexhans on March 27, 2009, 02:22:41 pm
No lynch again by the way
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Org on March 27, 2009, 03:34:41 pm
Right now, Ill stay No Lynch. For now.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: inaluct on March 27, 2009, 03:59:22 pm
Unvote. I highly recommend that someone check Pandarsenic. Seriously.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on March 27, 2009, 04:31:30 pm
I will vote to no lynch as well.
The multitude of night roles will surely find something tonight.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Zai on March 27, 2009, 04:35:36 pm
I agree that Pandar should be checked.

My vote remains the same as before. No lynch.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Archangel on March 27, 2009, 06:22:47 pm
Vote no lynch because there'll probably be two deaths tonight and tomorrow we will have more information.

edited because I'd already voted.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 27, 2009, 07:12:53 pm
Pandarsenic, stop adding so much other stuff to your claims of dwarfdom. Just say "I am a dwarf" and there everything will be clear when the child investigates.
I agree.  Unvote
Pandarsenic, stop adding so much other stuff to your claims of dwarfdom. Just say "I am a dwarf" and there everything will be clear when the child investigates.
I did.

But "I am most benefited by the death of the Anti-Town Roles" is a statement more relevant to the situation in the future, as a Dwarven Traitor is still a Dwarf.
Yes but it's subjective.  Opinionated.
Subjective? Is it?

It's a statement that makes a point of saying that the speaker wants elves dead. There are no Scum that benefit from Town players. However-

Wait.

Even better:

"I am most benefited by the continued survival of Town-aligned Roles."
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Karlito on March 27, 2009, 07:14:30 pm
Why not just "I am town aligned"?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: inaluct on March 27, 2009, 07:14:46 pm
Why the quotes?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Karlito on March 27, 2009, 07:18:58 pm
That's how English works.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 27, 2009, 07:19:30 pm
Why not just "I am town aligned"?
I suppose that works. I like being verbose, though.

I am Town-Aligned. Are you happy now?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 1)
Post by: webadict on March 27, 2009, 11:21:19 pm
And so, the Dwarves decide to wait for people to look around and investigate things.

I mean, just how many of them could there be? How many of us are there?

Only time will tell.


It is now Night. Send your actions.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Night 1)
Post by: webadict on March 30, 2009, 10:50:21 pm
You all wake up to the death of Squeegy, the Ambusher, and inaluct, a simple Peasant. It appears that Squeegy was horribly, horribly beaten, and inaluct throat has been crushed. A little bit of remorse later and you're all ready for hammering.

It is now Day.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on March 30, 2009, 10:59:06 pm
Hmm, I am still a dwarf. I will wait a bit before voting. Hopefully a night role found something out.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 30, 2009, 11:00:23 pm
I'm pro-town.

Damn, we lost inaluct? T_T
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on March 30, 2009, 11:11:09 pm
And Flintus didn't die. I think his curse must have been lifted.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 30, 2009, 11:32:48 pm
What was up with that "curse" anyway?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: webadict on March 30, 2009, 11:34:42 pm
What was up with that "curse" anyway?
He got killed like three times in a row first night. I thought it was funny.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: inaluct on March 30, 2009, 11:36:07 pm
I might have broken it. It was in Ridiculous Mafia. I won't say how, though, since it would give a lot away.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 30, 2009, 11:36:38 pm
Yeah, but why'd it keep happening? XD

Also, inaluct, he wasn't targeted at all in night 1 of Ridiculous Mafia. Just for reference.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: inaluct on March 30, 2009, 11:47:15 pm
Yeah, the fact that I protected him showed the universe that someone was stepping in to stop it. And mystical energy, etc.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 30, 2009, 11:51:36 pm
Shhh!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Flintus10 on March 31, 2009, 06:01:10 am
Yeah what was up with all of you trying to kill me every game   :D It was cause of how brilliant I was riiiiiighhttt?  8)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 31, 2009, 10:51:40 am
Yeah what was up with all of you trying to kill me every game   :D It was cause of how brilliant I was riiiiiighhttt?  8)


Did you win alot of Mafias Flintus?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Karlito on March 31, 2009, 06:40:04 pm
No, he was a complete newbie as far as I could tell.  Probably why everyone had him killed.

And I'm still protown.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 31, 2009, 07:25:03 pm
Well, since I have such a crap role, and the child is still out there and can determine it's truthfulness, I best do this before the sheriff wastes one of his role checks on me.

I am a dwarf.

I am the woodcrafter.

I am not an Elf.

That should do it.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Org on March 31, 2009, 07:28:30 pm
I am a dwarf.
Will not roleclaim. But it isnt not a good role.

Yea.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Zai on March 31, 2009, 07:37:56 pm
I am still pro-town.

I'm hoping someone checked Pandar somebody and can figure out a way to announce their findings without revealing what role they have.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 31, 2009, 09:28:25 pm
Why does the woodcrafter know his role now? The philosopher might as well know his role.

I am a dwarf. A pro-town one.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 31, 2009, 09:38:45 pm
Why does the woodcrafter know his role now? The philosopher might as well know his role.

I am a dwarf. A pro-town one.

The woodcrafter knows his own role, it's just the the sheriff would think that I'm an Elf if he ever investigated me.

The philosopher thinks he's a doctor, when in fact, he's not.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: inaluct on March 31, 2009, 09:41:00 pm
Can you guys bury me in a kaolinite coffin? :(
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 31, 2009, 09:46:19 pm
Can you guys bury me in a kaolinite coffin? :(

No, you're getting Microcline and you're going to like it!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Cheeetar on March 31, 2009, 09:51:54 pm
Well, since I have such a crap role, and the child is still out there and can determine it's truthfulness, I best do this before the sheriff wastes one of his role checks on me.

I am a dwarf.

I am the woodcrafter.

I am not an Elf.

That should do it.
Case 1. You are telling the truth.
Case 2. You are the elf that is good at lieing.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 31, 2009, 10:35:39 pm
The woodcrafter shouldn't know his role because that's part of the chaos fun.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Cheeetar on March 31, 2009, 10:39:40 pm
The woodcrafter shouldn't know his role because that's part of the chaos fun.
Case 3. It is an elf pretending to be a woodcrafter, despite the fact the woodcrafter does not know his/her role.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: webadict on March 31, 2009, 11:02:56 pm
The woodcrafter shouldn't know his role because that's part of the chaos fun.
Too bad. I wanted to test this mechanic.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 31, 2009, 11:08:31 pm
The woodcrafter shouldn't know his role because that's part of the chaos fun.
Case 3. It is an elf pretending to be a woodcrafter, despite the fact the woodcrafter does not know his/her role.

The woodcrafter DOES know his role, because I'm the woodcrafter. Webadict told me my role at the beginning. It's not that hard guys.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Karlito on March 31, 2009, 11:24:34 pm
Actually, now that Cheeetar's pointed it out, that is exactly what the sly elf should be doing.  He requests that the child investigate him, and his dwarfy status is confirmed because he always seems to speak the truth.  By roleclaiming the woodcutter it gives him the excuse when the sheriff discovers that he's an elf.  I think that chaoticjosh should at least be treated with a healthy amount of suspicion and that the sheriff needs to use his special role-detect ability.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 31, 2009, 11:27:45 pm
I knew I had a crap role.

Oh well, no matter what you believe, I'm exactly what I say I am, So I'm requesting that the sheriff NOT waste his limited ability on me.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Karlito on March 31, 2009, 11:36:50 pm
Oh well, no matter what you believe, I'm exactly what I say I am
I read this as, "Whether or not you believe me, you should just believe me."  The ONLY way to be absolutely certain of who you are is for the sheriff to use his special ability.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 31, 2009, 11:57:56 pm
Just have the child scan him. Child, PM me or someone you trust the results to have the other person report it.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 01, 2009, 01:37:52 am
Just have the child scan him. Child, PM me or someone you trust the results to have the other person report it.
Or, if he is the sly elf, the child will always see what he says as truth. If we truly want to test it, Chaoticjosh should say something like 'The sky is green' for us to really test it out.
For now, I vote ChaoticJosh.
Edit: And why are you asking the child to pm you so he can confirm what you are saying? If you are the woodcrafter, you already know you are the woodcrafter. If you are an elf, you can kill the child.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 01, 2009, 01:50:59 am
Whoa, I did not know the Sly Elf exists. I should've read more carefully.

Anyway, my suggestion was- wait a minute.
GUYS

I HAVE A WAY TO DEAL WITH SLY ELVES

POST THIS:

I am Anti-Town.

If it comes up true, we lynch.

Problem solved, Sly Elf neutralized!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 01, 2009, 03:01:05 am
I am anti-town
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Solifuge on April 01, 2009, 05:04:38 am
Panda, that logic is quite awesome... reminds me of the "this guy always lies, and this guy always tells the truth" riddle from the Labyrinth.

Anyways, I am anti-town.

I too cast my bit in for the elf-suspicion of ChaoticJosh... the woodcutter bit sounds a lot like an attempt to backpeddle after realizing what asking the Sheriff to investigate him would do.

I assume that he is a specialist elf who thought his role would protect him from investigation, only to realize that it protected from truth-detection, or something of the sort, instead. Even if he turns out to be a woodcutter, we haven't lost a major role, and just some potential confusion on the Sheriff's part, and can keep the extremely valuable Child from having to role-reveal to another player in order to point it out.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 01, 2009, 06:05:28 am
Best case of lynching him: The sly elf dies.
Worst case: We lose the woodcrafter.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Org on April 01, 2009, 06:14:38 am
I am anti town
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 01, 2009, 10:25:31 am
I am anti-town.

I'm suspicious of the chaoticjosh bandwagon. Yes, it's possible he's a sly elf and trying to trick us. However, I'd like to get some more analysis of yesterday's voting (such as it was) and whatever information the night roles might have before we all gang up on someone.

There is a good chance he is as he says, why waste a lynch on someone who's more then likely NOT an elf? I'd rather go searching for someone who has a higher chance of being one.

I'll try to do some figuring out today at lunch. I'll post my results after that.

Oh, and if the child has not yet used their ability, I suggest they wait until ChaoticJosh uses the "I am anti-town" statement to test him.


Btw, Webadict, when does day 2 end?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Alexhans on April 01, 2009, 10:44:49 am
I agree that Josh seems to be lying....
I knew I had a crap role.

Oh well, no matter what you believe, I'm exactly what I say I am, So I'm requesting that the sheriff NOT waste his limited ability on me.
I agree... How about a Lynch?
Just have the child scan him. Child, PM me or someone you trust the results to have the other person report it.
Or, if he is the sly elf, the child will always see what he says as truth. If we truly want to test it, Chaoticjosh should say something like 'The sky is green' for us to really test it out.
For now, I vote ChaoticJosh.
Edit: And why are you asking the child to pm you so he can confirm what you are saying? If you are the woodcrafter, you already know you are the woodcrafter. If you are an elf, you can kill the child.
Oh... I don't like this... Asking the Child makes sense... So we would really know he is indeed the woodcrafter.  Cheeetar realized this and is trying to push his lynch...

I am anti-town

Solifuge voted Josh too... Fos Cheetar, Solifuge
Best case of lynching him: The sly elf dies.
Worst case: We lose the woodcrafter.
Wrong! worst case is that we are loosing our chance to lynch an elf. and at night someone else will die.
Vote Cheetar
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 01, 2009, 11:38:09 am
I am anti-town.

If you're really suspicious of me, then I ask that I be killed, so that the neither the child or the sheriff waste a turn on me.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: LASD on April 01, 2009, 12:17:39 pm
Sorry josh, but I'm not buying this.

This is because I am a Woodcrafter and I think it's very unlikely that there's two of us. As you like to be sneaky when playing on the mafia-side, I think you're trying to do just that.

Also, saying: "Kill me!" hasn't done any good to anyone yet.

Vote Chaoticjosh


I am anti-town.

Why does the woodcrafter know his role now? The philosopher might as well know his role.
Well, I suppose people know their professions. If you spend your days working with wood, you'll probably know that you're a Woodcrafter.

If you're a Noble that has read too many books, you'd think that you know something about healing, but you really don't.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 01, 2009, 12:25:44 pm
Well, when I die, and it's revealed that I'm the woodcrafter, I want everyone to take a close look at everyone that voted for me.

I did not anticipate how bad my role is or that someone would be sharing how bad it is.

If I die, then LASD will be next, because he can't prove his identity any better than I can. Good luck undoing this Gordian Knot LASD.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Alexhans on April 01, 2009, 12:48:25 pm
I trust josh more than LASD...
everyone follow my Cheeetar  Lynch... It's a good one...
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Karlito on April 01, 2009, 05:23:15 pm
I am anti-town.

If you're really suspicious of me, then I ask that I be killed, so that the neither the child or the sheriff waste a turn on me.
Well, since I am really suspicious of you: Chaoticjosh
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Karlito on April 01, 2009, 05:54:24 pm
Forgot to mention:

I'm antitown.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: Solifuge on April 01, 2009, 11:23:37 pm
Hmm... Alexhans, you make a good point about Cheetar, but I've seen how he plays in the past. I don't have explicit reason to trust him yet, but I don't suspect him of treachery either. I do, however, suspect him of paranoya. I noticed in the Paranormal Mafia, he wrongfully got the first lynch vote on the first night, after similar attacks on his paranoid logic. It's like in his head, he knows he is trustworthy, and thus expects others to trust him implicitly.

Maybe I'm overanalyzing though. I also haven't slept in 24 hours, and just went in to donate a quart of blood plasma, so that could be affecting my logic.

Anyways, I'll rescind the vote for ChaoticJosh pending the child-scan (and a lucid state of mind). I don't know where to cast my vote now though.

As an aside, I believe that "I am Anti-Town" can be simplified to "I am an Elf" or "I am not a Dwarf" depending on your preferred construction. Or they may be recombined and interchanged for hours of Fun.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 2)
Post by: webadict on April 02, 2009, 12:22:29 am
Suddenly, the crowd descends upon chaoticjosh. He tries to convince them he's a Dwarf, but those little wooden idols he's crafting only make him look guiltier. They throw him on the hammering block and give him 50 HAMMERSTRIKES! Too bad he was dead by number 4...

A quick scan of his rooms reveals that he is the Cowardly Woodcrafter! Everyone goes to bed a little saddened at the lack of an Elf.


It is now Night. Send your actions.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Night 2)
Post by: webadict on April 03, 2009, 10:24:06 am
Everyone wakes up to the sight of Cheeetar's headless body! A woodcutter's axe stands right next to him, covered in blood. He also appears to have his ribs smashed in.

Everyone mourns the death of this Royal Guard! Someone in the back cries loudly for their Lover.


It is now Day.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Alexhans on April 03, 2009, 03:10:24 pm
damn... So my Cheetar lynch was no good either... But i trusted Josh....

Can someone assemble a list of alive and dead... And their roles...

We have to hit an elf soon or we're dead.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 03, 2009, 03:26:21 pm
ALEXHANS! YOU!
YOU SHALL DIE FOR HIS DEATH!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Alexhans on April 03, 2009, 03:31:58 pm
then vote me if you want... Then Ill have to claim... and you will have to unvote me. 
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Alexhans on April 03, 2009, 03:32:32 pm
And if you know the child... He can vouch for me...
Title: !
Post by: Org on April 03, 2009, 03:36:15 pm
YOU ARE EITHER A HAMMERER OR A DIRTY ELF!
REVEAL YOURSELF!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Alexhans on April 03, 2009, 03:43:28 pm
YOU ARE EITHER A HAMMERER OR A DIRTY ELF!
REVEAL YOURSELF!
mmm... seeing the ammount and quality of your posts in this game I won't take orders from you.

You're an active lurker with all the letters.  I invite anyone to see Org's posts through this game... 
Title: Re: !
Post by: Mephansteras on April 03, 2009, 03:54:12 pm
YOU ARE EITHER A HAMMERER OR A DIRTY ELF!
REVEAL YOURSELF!

Or he could have a tracking role of some sort and investigated Cheeetar because he was suspicious of him. What we need is some real information.

I'm sorry I haven't participated in this as much as I'd like. I've been very busy and haven't had a chance to do any real analysis of what's going on. I'll try to spend some time on it tonight or over the weekend. Maybe I can get some information to help us find the elves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 03, 2009, 08:55:08 pm
Did the woodcutter suddenly replace the hammerer? (Just asking, I know I'm dead).
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 03, 2009, 09:03:24 pm
Org is acting too suspiciously for me.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 01:16:47 pm
WHAT?

COME ON!

I VOTE ALEXHANS!

FOR HE IS HAMMERER/ELFY!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 04, 2009, 01:36:06 pm
Why would we want to lynch the hammerer? It's a pro-town role, though they may not always be killing anti-town people.

My vote for Org shall remain.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 02:33:42 pm
Well, there is a chance he is a elf.
Anyway, he is not helping, randomly killing.
You protecting  him makes me suspicious.
You might be the child, or sheriff...or an elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 04, 2009, 02:41:58 pm
Actually, I'm none of those things.

And because I'm protecting someone that you claim may be the Hammerer (a pro-town role, lest we forget), I'm suspicious? The only people who should want the Hammerer dead are the elves. My vote for you (Org) shall continue to remain.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 02:43:37 pm
But, why would I do that? Randomly blaming a person usually doesnt work. So, I have proof.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 04, 2009, 02:48:37 pm
What? I've seen none of this proof that you claim to have. Please, share it. Up to this point all you've done is spew random things about lynching Alexhans.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 02:51:38 pm
Guard. Please guard me.

I tracked Cheetar, and saw him on his way to Alexhans. Leads me to believe things like this.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 04, 2009, 02:58:56 pm
I'm afraid I don't quite understand how that would make Alexhans an elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Karlito on April 04, 2009, 02:59:35 pm
Cheeetar was the guard.  Why would we lynch someone that the guard was guarding.

And let's not forget:
I am anti-town
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 03:01:24 pm
How do you know.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Karlito on April 04, 2009, 03:02:39 pm
Everyone wakes up to the sight of Cheeetar's headless body! A woodcutter's axe stands right next to him, covered in blood. He also appears to have his ribs smashed in.

Everyone mourns the death of this Royal Guard! Someone in the back cries loudly for their Lover.


Really Org?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 04, 2009, 03:02:50 pm
From the way Org is acting, I believe he is an Elf. Thus my vote goes to Org. Oh yeah, I am anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 04, 2009, 03:04:07 pm
Cheeetar was the guard.  Why would we lynch someone that the guard was guarding.

Exactly. Org's logic is flawed.

I am anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 03:17:50 pm
How did I know he was guard?
What?
Woops.
Lol.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Alexhans on April 04, 2009, 06:45:17 pm
But, why would I do that? Randomly blaming a person usually doesnt work. So, I have proof.
what proof?  :D

Guard. Please guard me.

I tracked Cheetar, and saw him on his way to Alexhans. Leads me to believe things like this.
Cheeetar said he would cover me.  he and me were in conversation with the Child.
Luckyly this makes me believe you, Org, are what you say you are.  Oh... and please Org... unvote me because I am no elf.

So i'd like to ask Zai and A_Fey_Dwarf to unvote Org.  Or I'll be suspicious of them...

I'm anti town.

Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 06:59:35 pm
Unvote

Sorry Alexhans, missed the thing where it said he was guard.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 04, 2009, 09:01:12 pm
Okay then. Since Alexhans confirmed what you said as true (Cheeetar meeting him in the night), I unvote Org.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 04, 2009, 10:34:18 pm
I am anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Solifuge on April 04, 2009, 10:34:51 pm
Annotated Notes, Votes, Actions, and Results:
(Including all actions taken and statements made, in chronological order)

EDIT: NOTICE - This is not guaranteed to be unbiased or 100% accurate. If you want unbiased, do your own durn research. :P

Key:
TF = Made a True/False Testable Statement
FoS = Somehow cast suspicion on another


Day 1: (17 Players)
inaluct          [TF] (FoS Pandarsenic for Joke TF 2x) Lynch Pandarsenic, No Lynch
Squeegy          <Inactive>
Mephansteras     [TF] No Lynch
Cheeetar         [TF]
Karlito          [TF] No Lynch
A_Fey_Dwarf      [TF] No Lynch
Alexhans         [Joke TF (not testable)], No Lynch, Lynch Pandarsenic, No Lynch
penguinofhonor   [TF] No Lynch
Org              [TF] No Lynch
Flintus10        [TF] No Lynch
Archangel        [TF] No Lynch
Pandarsenic      [Joke TF (not testable)], Very Defensive
Solifuge         [TF] No Lynch
Zaithemaster     [TF] No Lynch (FoS Pandarsenic)
qwertyuiopas     [TF] No Lynch, Supporting Statement
LASD             [TF] Lynch Squeegy
chaoticjosh      No Lynch, Lynch Pandarsenic, No Lynch

Vote Result: No Lynch

Night 1:
Squeegy, Ambusher, killed (by Hammerer?)
Inaluct, Peasant, killed (by Elf?)



Day 2: (15 Players)
Mephansteras     [TF] FoS to Bandwagon on ChaoticJosh
Cheeetar         [TF] Lynch ChaoticJosh
Karlito          [TF] Lynch ChaoticJosh
A_Fey_Dwarf      [TF] <No Vote>
Alexhans         [TF] FoS Cheetar/Solifuge, Lynch Cheetar
penguinofhonor   [TF] <No Vote>
Org              [TF] Role-Claim ("not a good role")
Flintus10        <inactive>
Archangel        <inactive>
Pandarsenic      [TF] Was ignorant of Sly Elf. Invents Test-Phrase.
Solifuge         [TF] Lynch ChaoticJosh, No Lynch
Zaithemaster     [TF] <No Vote>
qwertyuiopas     <inactive>
LASD             [TF] Role-Claim (Woodcutter), Lynch ChaoticJosh
chaoticjosh      [TF] Role-Claim (Woodcutter)
* Dead: inaluct (Peasant), Squeegy (Ambusher)

Vote Result: Lynch ChaoticJosh (Woodcutter)

Night 2:
Cheetar Royal Guard and Lover, killed by Woodcutter's Axe (by Hammerer + Elf?)



Day 3: (13 Players)
Mephansteras     
Karlito          [TF]
A_Fey_Dwarf      [TF] Lynch Org
Alexhans         Role-Claim (Non-Specific), Claims Child contact.
penguinofhonor   [TF]
Org              Role-claim (Ambusher?), FoS Alexhans ("Tracked Cheetar going to Alexhans last night"), ALL CAPS, Lynch Alexhans, No Lynch
Flintus10       
Archangel       
Pandarsenic      [TF]
Solifuge         [TF] FoS Org
Zaithemaster     [TF] Lynch Org, No Lynch
qwertyuiopas     [TF] No Lynch
LASD             
* Dead: inaluct (Peasant), Squeegy (Ambusher), ChaoticJosh (Woodworker), Cheetar (Royal Guard, Lover)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Solifuge on April 04, 2009, 10:42:47 pm
Please pardon the double post, but I didn't want to obfuscate the chart.

There you all have it. I tried to piece together everything that's happened thus far in as much detail as possible while also staying easily readable. If theres anything significant missing, let me know.

TF indicates a True/False Statement made, as testable by the Child. I've made a few notes of significant statements, accusations, and reasoning.


Alexhans is correct; we seriously need to get moving to get some concrete evidence out there. Gut suspicions, inconsistencies you've noted in other players, etc.

After reviewing everything, I have a query for Org; You claim to have seen Cheetar (Royal Guard) go to Alexhans in the night, before dying. If our Ambusher has already been killed, on what basis do you claim to know this?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Karlito on April 04, 2009, 11:12:02 pm
Firstly, I've made two posts today, and secondly I don't actually see that you've made a testable TF statement.  Everything else on that chart is good though.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 04, 2009, 11:19:09 pm
I'm anti-town.

Solifuge, I'm pretty sure we can have multiple ambushers.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 04, 2009, 11:27:06 pm
We certainly had a few of them, plus several hunters, last game. Heck, we even had two surgeons!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Solifuge on April 05, 2009, 12:09:02 am
Oh, I thought there was a one-role per game limit. In that case, suspicions waived, and that likely changes suspicions I had on the chart too. Updated the chart for Karlito too. Anything else I missed?

Also, my bad on the TF. I am an Anti-Town, pointy-eared, tree-hugging, Unicorn-Riding pansy.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 05, 2009, 12:13:43 am
I am anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 05, 2009, 12:43:47 am
Just "I am anti-town" please, Solifuge. Can't have any Traitor Dwarves slipping below the radar.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Flintus10 on April 05, 2009, 03:43:09 am
I am anti town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: LASD on April 05, 2009, 04:04:54 am
Oh, I thought there was a one-role per game limit.
Wouldn't that make me an insta-lynch? Something doesn't quite add up here, Solifuge. Especially considering your ambiguous TF-statement and your great attempts at diverting attention elsewhere, though I appreciate your effort on the big post. Please do what Pandarsenic said.

I'm anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 05, 2009, 07:54:35 am
I am antitown.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 05, 2009, 08:49:14 am
Just "I am anti-town" please, Solifuge. Can't have any Traitor Dwarves slipping below the radar.
There can't be any traitor dwarves yet because we haven't killed the druid.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 05, 2009, 08:50:43 am
that is true.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Solifuge on April 05, 2009, 10:36:30 am
I am Anti-Town.

Also Penguin is right; the earlier statement still returns true for any possible anti-town role. It was still meant as a joke, and you ruined it.

Anyway, LASD, what did you mean you would be an insta-lynch? I tried to get caught up on things lately, but I'm still a bit confused here. Did I miss a detail?

EDIT: Ok, I feel perceptive: I didn't register the 2 woodcutters thing at all. Can someone else start making sense out of our situation, because I'm failing at DF Mafia.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 05, 2009, 02:36:35 pm
I am anti town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 05, 2009, 02:38:19 pm
Also, I abstain.
(and the post is split because it is true that I am abstaining but fals that I am anti-town, so there is no statement mistake)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 05, 2009, 04:25:47 pm
Whoa, the dwarf who turns evil after first blood got removed.

When did that happen?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Solifuge on April 05, 2009, 06:17:31 pm
Anyhow, I've slightly updated roles (Woodcrafter is now known, added Royal Guard and Elf abilities, removed Traitor ability)

Is that the one?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 05, 2009, 06:31:16 pm
Anyhow, I've slightly updated roles (Woodcrafter is now known, added Royal Guard and Elf abilities, removed Traitor ability)

Is that the one?
That'd be it, yeah.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 05, 2009, 06:33:16 pm
So...this is a bit boring.
no one is doing anything.

At least it gives me time for my mod...which will be glorious!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 05, 2009, 07:09:51 pm
I vote Flintus10 for inactivity.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: webadict on April 05, 2009, 07:48:12 pm
So... we have a total of ONE vote. You all better start voting!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Org on April 05, 2009, 07:49:28 pm
Flintus.



Sorry. But you seem suspicious because of the inactivity. Or you just are a lurker
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 05, 2009, 07:54:37 pm
Who led the crusade against chaoticjosh last day?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Archangel on April 05, 2009, 09:42:45 pm
I am the hammerer. this is what I got last night
You walk on your way when you see somebody beating up Cheeetar! You shove the guy out of the way, then lifting the Axe you took from the Woodcutter, cut off Cheeetar's head in one swing. You then smash his body to make sure he's dead.

Who was it you thought was either an elf or the hammerer?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: webadict on April 05, 2009, 09:54:06 pm
I am the hammerer. this is what I got last night
You walk on your way when you see somebody beating up Cheeetar! You shove the guy out of the way, then lifting the Axe you took from the Woodcutter, cut off Cheeetar's head in one swing. You then smash his body to make sure he's dead.

Who was it you thought was either an elf or the hammerer?
Just so you know, Archangel, quoting stuff from the mod is a modkillable offense. I mean directly quoting pms, not anything public... Feel free to paraphrase though.

It's almost always not tolerated. I'll give you a warning this time, but don't do it again.

This goes for everyone else.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 06, 2009, 12:36:49 am
You know, you could have had a cruel revenge on him by saying that he was lying and faked that pm. Now we know he is a hammerer.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Archangel on April 06, 2009, 01:15:51 am
And I'd like to be PM'd information so I stop, or at least have a reduced chance of, killing pro town players.
Please?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Archangel on April 06, 2009, 01:29:16 am
You know, you could have had a cruel revenge on him by saying that he was lying and faked that pm. Now we know he is a hammerer.
And you're dead
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 06, 2009, 01:37:08 am
You know, you could have had a cruel revenge on him by saying that he was lying and faked that pm. Now we know he is a hammerer.
And you're dead
I know, but I wasn't discussing game strategy or anything (I think). I'll stop talking now.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Flintus10 on April 06, 2009, 04:16:35 am
It's difficult from Aus but that's not a decent enough excuse I have been a bit inactive and I apologise, but lynching a dwarf becasue of it seems abit foolish.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: webadict on April 06, 2009, 11:11:36 am
You know, you could have had a cruel revenge on him by saying that he was lying and faked that pm. Now we know he is a hammerer.
Or perhaps he's lying and I meant it as a general rule of thumb to confuse everyone into trusting him? It's called the WIFOM technique. You always lose.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Alexhans on April 06, 2009, 11:24:25 am
it's true... You can't quote the mod or fake mod quotes.   That's equally wrong.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 06, 2009, 04:31:33 pm
Uh, what does WIFOM stand for? I'm not as mafia 1337 as some of you people.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 06, 2009, 04:34:06 pm
Wine In Front Of Me (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me). Pretty much think about the scene from the Princess Bride with the wine goblets, and that's it in a nutshell.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: webadict on April 06, 2009, 04:54:54 pm
Wine In Front Of Me (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me). Pretty much think about the scene from the Princess Bride with the wine goblets, and that's it in a nutshell.
Sorry. My favorite Mafia term, I'm afraid, as it applies to all my decisions.

Best way to describe this is that there are two doors. One door has a skeletal elk and the other has an adamantine floodgate. The adamantine floodgate is my treasure that I'm hiding.

If you're really powerful, or just don't care, it doesn't matter what door you choose, because you can kill the skelk anyway.
If you're really weak, neither might not appeal to you and you'll die from the skelk and the floodgate will be too heavy for you.
If you only want the treasure, you have to find the door with the floodgate.

So, in order to confuse you, I've written on one of the doors, "This room contains the skelk."

You don't know if I'm lying to have you open that door, or if I'm telling the truth to make you think that the other room has the treasure. That's WIFOM.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 06, 2009, 05:39:31 pm
Are there any games where the GM isn't practically hostile to the players?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: Zai on April 06, 2009, 06:11:10 pm
Are there any games where the GM isn't practically hostile to the players?

They aren't really hostile unless you cheat.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 3)
Post by: webadict on April 07, 2009, 01:01:21 am
The votes are tallied up... The Mayor steps forth.

"We've got a total of 3 votes here, and the winning vote is..." He looks at the tally, and whispers off to the side to his Friend, "How is this possible?" who only proceeds to shrug.

"Well... we've got a tie! According to Dwarven tradition... No one is lynched."

The crowd thinks for a bit and suddenly, someone yells, "How is that possible?" Another yells, "Wasn't somebody voted twice?"

The Mayor tries to explain, but the crowd won't have it. Instead, they throw HIM onto the hammering block. Unfortunately, he actually IS the mayor...

It is now Night... Send your actions.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Night 3)
Post by: webadict on April 09, 2009, 11:10:14 am
I haven't received nearly enough Night actions as I'd want. Send them now!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Night 3)
Post by: webadict on April 09, 2009, 10:27:26 pm
Everybody gets up from their sleep. In one of the hallway, sits the Sheriff, Alexhans, with his head split open. Next to him lies an Oak Log, which is covered in blood. Also, the body of LASD, Woodcrafter and Lover, is found in the river. Inspection of his house finds a suicide note.

It is now Day.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 09, 2009, 10:41:08 pm
Crap.  Crap, crap, crap.

Well, I've got no moves left, might as well roleclaim.  I am the child.  I've been in contact with Alexhans, LASD, and Cheeetar.  Unfortunately they've all been killed by the elves.  I guess I should apologize to ChaoticJosh, since I essentially got him lynched.  I was unaware that there could be two Woodcrafters, and I had LASD confirmed from the start.  I know only one other to be a confirmed dwarf, and I would very much appreciate a guard tonight.  Preferably all of them.

Last night I confirmed that Solifuge is the anti-town, pointy eared, unicorn riding pansy that he claimed to be.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 10, 2009, 12:10:21 am
Good enough for me. If you're lying, we'll find out soon enough. Therefore, I vote Solifuge.

I am anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 10, 2009, 02:39:04 am
I believe you. Solifuge
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 03:15:45 am
Last night I confirmed that Solifuge is the anti-town, pointy eared, unicorn riding pansy that he claimed to be.

That is a dirty move Karlito.

This statement is a lie. I am the Child, and have been in contact with Karlito since I checked him on the first turn. It would seem that he has been systematically killing all the people I've cleared, until there was no one left to vouch for me but him, and now is claiming My role, using My information as his own... and to top it all off, now claims I'm an Elf!

Lynch Karlito, because he is without a doubt the Sly Elf.

I wish I'd checked your honesty again after the first turn, once Pandarsenic came up with the elf-proof method. Luckily for me, I've made contact with Org, and verified him several nights prior, without informing anyone. As soon as he can vouch for me, I can prove to everyone that Karlito is really the Sly Elf.

EDIT: If you listen to him and lynch me today, we're as good as done. He's pulled this card as a last resort, in hopes to kill off the final investigator. Even when we spend tomorrow's lynch taking care of him, we'll still have no Sheriff, no Child, and no chance to beat the elves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 10, 2009, 03:24:36 am
Unvote. I'll wait for Org's response then.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 04:21:46 am
I guess I should apologize to ChaoticJosh, since I essentially got him lynched.  I was unaware that there could be two Woodcrafters, and I had LASD confirmed from the start.  I know only one other to be a confirmed dwarf, and I would very much appreciate a guard tonight.  Preferably all of them.

Aside from you lurking until you finally came out now, this statement is the hardest piece of evidence against you, Karlito. You led two bandwagons, one against ChaoticJosh, who was claiming to be woodcutter, and should have in no way been targeted by a sane Dwarf when we both knew I could investigate him, and against Org, who is the only other living confirmed Dwarf.

Also, you know full well that there is most likely no guard left, since you killed Cheetar as soon as he was cleared via being Lover to LASD... which, by the way, was a really sly move. Targetting Cheetar in the night allowed you to "kill" his lover LASD, without making it look suspicious to us. If LASD had been the target, we would have noticed the pattern, as all our recent confirmations were being systematically killed.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 10, 2009, 04:35:07 am
If one of you is the child, I really would have appreciated it if you had given me something to work with.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 10, 2009, 04:37:05 am
If one of you is the child, I really would have appreciated it if you had given me something to work with.
What, they would have revealed they were the child and gotten killed for you? When you wanted to stop playing the game?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 10, 2009, 04:44:12 am
You're thinking of the wrong game. I was replaced in that one.

EDIT: I was asking for people to PM me information.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 10, 2009, 04:50:02 am
You're thinking of the wrong game. I was replaced in that one.

EDIT: I was asking for people to PM me information.
Oh, sorry.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 04:53:10 am
Okay, We can guarantee 3 Dwarves now:
1) Archangel, the Hammerer, based on an irrefutable GM post.
2) A_Fey_Dwarf, Freindly, based on the only concievable way that there was a tie between Org and Flintus when Org got only 1 vote, and Flintus got 2. Could be Elf or Dwarf.
3) Org, a Dwarf, because he showed up as Anti-Town false, aside from which the Sly Elf is already pinned.

I'm sorry I don't have anything better to offer you Archangel, but those 3 are guaranteed safe.

I know only one other to be a confirmed dwarf, and I would very much appreciate a guard tonight.  Preferably all of them.

I would not advise that a guard, if we even have one anymore, guards anyone but the Hammerer today, as he is the only remaining power-noble left if I get lynched today.


UPDATED Annotated Notes, Votes, Actions, and Results:
(Including all actions taken and statements made, in chronological order)

Key:
TF = Made a True/False Testable Statement
FoS = Somehow cast suspicion on another


Day 1: (17 Players)
inaluct          [TF] (FoS Pandarsenic for Joke TF 2x) Lynch Pandarsenic, No Lynch
Squeegy          <Inactive>
Mephansteras     [TF] No Lynch
Cheeetar         [TF]
Karlito          [TF] No Lynch
A_Fey_Dwarf      [TF] No Lynch
Alexhans         [Joke TF (not testable)], No Lynch, Lynch Pandarsenic, No Lynch
penguinofhonor   [TF] No Lynch
Org              [TF] No Lynch
Flintus10        [TF] No Lynch
Archangel        [TF] No Lynch
Pandarsenic      [Joke TF (not testable)], Very Defensive
Solifuge         [TF] No Lynch
Zaithemaster     [TF] No Lynch (FoS Pandarsenic)
qwertyuiopas     [TF] No Lynch, Supporting Statement
LASD             [TF] Lynch Squeegy
chaoticjosh      No Lynch, Lynch Pandarsenic, No Lynch

Vote Result: No Lynch

Night 1:
Squeegy, Ambusher, killed (by Hammerer?)
Inaluct, Peasant, killed (by Elf?)



Day 2: (15 Players)
Mephansteras     [TF] FoS to Bandwagon on ChaoticJosh
Cheeetar         [TF] Lynch ChaoticJosh
Karlito          [TF] Lynch ChaoticJosh
A_Fey_Dwarf      [TF] <No Vote>
Alexhans         [TF] FoS Cheetar/Solifuge, Lynch Cheetar
penguinofhonor   [TF] <No Vote>
Org              [TF] Role-Claim ("not a good role")
Flintus10        <inactive>
Archangel        <inactive>
Pandarsenic      [TF] Was ignorant of Sly Elf. Invents Test-Phrase.
Solifuge         [TF] Lynch ChaoticJosh, No Lynch
Zaithemaster     [TF] <No Vote>
qwertyuiopas     <inactive>
LASD             [TF] Role-Claim (Woodcutter), Lynch ChaoticJosh
chaoticjosh      [TF] Role-Claim (Woodcutter)

Proven Roles:
* Dead: inaluct (Peasant), Squeegy (Ambusher)

Vote Result: Lynch ChaoticJosh (Woodcutter)

Night 2:
Cheetar Royal Guard and Lover, killed by Woodcutter's Axe (by Hammerer + Elf?)



Day 3: (13 Players)
Mephansteras     
Karlito          [TF]
A_Fey_Dwarf      [TF] Lynch Org (His vote counted 2x, so he is without doubt the Friendly Dwarf/Elf)
Alexhans         Role-Claim (Non-Specific), Claims Child contact.
penguinofhonor   [TF]
Org              Role-claim (Ambusher?), FoS Alexhans ("Tracked Cheetar going to Alexhans last night"), ALL CAPS, Lynch Alexhans, No Lynch, Lynch Flintus10
Flintus10        [TF]
Archangel        Role-claim (Hammerer)
Pandarsenic      [TF]
Solifuge         [TF] Created Chart for Day 1-3
Zaithemaster     [TF] Lynch Org, No Lynch, Lynch Flintus10
qwertyuiopas     [TF] No Lynch
LASD     

Proven Roles:
* Living Roles: Archangel (Hammerer)       
* Dead Roles: inaluct (Peasant), Squeegy (Ambusher), ChaoticJosh (Woodcutter), Cheetar (Royal Guard, Lover)

Vote Result: Tie for Flintus10/Org

Night 3:
Alexhans, Sheriff, killed by elves.
LASD, Woodcrafter and Lover, committed suicide over the death of Cheetar.



Day 4: (11 Players)
Mephansteras     Lynch Solifuge, No Lynch
Karlito          Role-Claim (Child), Lynch Solifuge
A_Fey_Dwarf     
penguinofhonor   
Org              Lynch Karlito
Flintus10       
Archangel        Lynch Solifuge, No Lynch
Pandarsenic      [TF] Lynch Karlito
Solifuge         Role-claim (Child), Lynch Karlito, "Org, Archangel, and A_Fey_Dwarf are guaranteed roles"
Zaithemaster     
qwertyuiopas     

Proven Roles:
* Living Roles: Archangel (Hammerer), A_Fey_Dwarf (Friendly Elf/Dwarf)
* Dead Roles: inaluct (Peasant), Squeegy (Ambusher), ChaoticJosh (Woodcutter), Cheetar (Royal Guard, Lover), Alexhans (Sheriff), LASD (Woodcutter)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 10, 2009, 05:06:57 am
As I understand the rules, if a guard targets me, he dies.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 10, 2009, 05:16:23 am
And pointing out who the Friendly Dwarf is isn't a good move if you're right.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 05:17:33 am
Webadict, does "Targeting the Hammerer" include Guards then? If so, then obviously guarding the Hammerer would be a bad idea.

Anyway, by the end of the day, assuming either Karlito or I get lynched, everyone will know who the real Child is, and so long as they are still living, the Guards can protect them from Elf retaliation, and Archangel can dole out punishment with much better chances of nailing a real Elf.

If I'm dead, though, the guard can always protect another confirmed Dwarf, like A_Fey_Dwarf, who gives us better chances in lynch votes, etc.

EDIT: Archangel, him being the Friendly Dwarf is 100% certain, and anyone could have deduced it without special knowledge based on what happened during yesterday's vote. Keeping info from other Dwarves is a primary way we will end up killing one another. The more confirmed Dwarves we have, the better chances we have of nailing an Elf. Besides, if I die today, any guards can protect him.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 10, 2009, 07:00:51 am
Vote Karlito. I'm sold, I suppose, on Solifuge's claims. Mainly because of Karlito's anti-CJ bandwagon after my elfproof method.

I'd also like to claim an almost-certain Dwarfhood since I invented the TF Test Phrase we used to neutralize the Sly Elf / Woodcrafter problem.

I am anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 10, 2009, 07:40:43 am
wAIT.

nEVER MIND.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 10, 2009, 08:53:10 am
Solifuge might be the child.
Not sure. But its best to not vote.
.....
Who is the doctor.
I am willing to bet on who it is.

Zaith.
You are either a Guard, Doctor, Tracker, or Elf.
REVEAL YOUESELF.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 10, 2009, 09:09:52 am
*sigh* I need to look things over.

For now, I withdraw my vote.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 11:08:47 am
Org, I admit I was really hoping for a bit more trust on your part. >_<

At minimum, can you verify that I did indeed contact you several nights ago, and that I didn't just pull this "I'm the Child" thing out of my arse after Karlito's claim? Unless Karlito has a living contact, that would help immensely in proving my innocence.

In addition, I think we have a more pressing issues to be dealing with, rather than whether Zai is an Elf or not. Leave the witch-hunting until after we've got no investigators left.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 10, 2009, 11:13:47 am
Webadict, does "Targeting the Hammerer" include Guards then? If so, then obviously guarding the Hammerer would be a bad idea.

Anyway, by the end of the day, assuming either Karlito or I get lynched, everyone will know who the real Child is, and so long as they are still living, the Guards can protect them from Elf retaliation, and Archangel can dole out punishment with much better chances of nailing a real Elf.

If I'm dead, though, the guard can always protect another confirmed Dwarf, like A_Fey_Dwarf, who gives us better chances in lynch votes, etc.

EDIT: Archangel, him being the Friendly Dwarf is 100% certain, and anyone could have deduced it without special knowledge based on what happened during yesterday's vote. Keeping info from other Dwarves is a primary way we will end up killing one another. The more confirmed Dwarves we have, the better chances we have of nailing an Elf. Besides, if I die today, any guards can protect him.
Yes, guarding the Hammerer kills the Guard/Doctor. However, if the Elves attack the Hammerer first, the Guard will still live, as well as anybody else that targets the Hammerer, since he only gets one kill per Day/Night (depending on certain situations).

Also, Friendly and Grudged CAN be applied to both Dwarves AND Elves. These are hidden traits on any player, that are never revealed until endgame.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 11:28:11 am
Quote from: Webadict (Rules Post)
Friendly – This Dwarf's vote counts for double, because he's a trustworthy person.

I assumed by this that it was Dwarf-only, so thanks for the clarification. A_Fey_Dwarf's info has been adjusted accordingly.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 10, 2009, 11:30:41 am
Quote from: Webadict (Rules Post)
Friendly – This Dwarf's vote counts for double, because he's a trustworthy person.

I assumed by this that it was Dwarf-only, so thanks for the clarification. A_Fey_Dwarf's info has been adjusted accordingly.
Whoops, my bad. I'll fix that.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 10, 2009, 01:00:12 pm
As far as I know, nothing Solifuge claims has been true.  He has never contacted me in a pm, and I don't really understand his accusation about me starting a bandwagon against Org.  However, if he was the child (which he's not) why didn't he say so in this pm he sent to Alexhans?
I know you register as not anti-town, and judging by Org's comments, I'm suspecting the Hammerer over Sly Elf, since alternatives don't really make sense as I understand what happened last night.

I have reason to doubt that Org is an elf. He's not playing very intelligently, but he's been in contact with me since day 2. Unless he's been acting the part of "bad player" all this time while secretly being Sly Elf and a master of disguise, he's Ambusher. You can validate this for yourself if his observation was truthful on your night-time target.

Anyway, for now I'm trying to get him off your case via PMs, to hopefully save his ass from this lynch, but he's not cooperating with me yet. I really don't want to lose our ability to track targets... if you can validate his claim of your class, then you know best whether we can trust him or not.

And if you know the child... He can vouch for me...

I'm seriously hoping that was a bluff. If someone contacted you as the child, I hope you didn't let them know your (potential) role... also, if they've been giving you night-time suspects to Hammer, I dare say that would explain the Dwarf targets for the last few nights.

I contacted Alexhans on day 2 after checking that he wasn't an elf.  I hoped that I could convince him to withdraw his vote for Cheeetar.  He checked me out that night, and we've been exchanging information.  I don't really know where you were trying to go with this message, but if you are the child, it doesn't seem like the kind message that you would send to the 'hammerer'.

Also, the child can use his power during the day.  I'm sure one of you can post something clever so that I can prove my self.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 10, 2009, 01:08:06 pm
Ok, prove yourself to me.

I have a night power role.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 01:17:50 pm
First of all, you just quoted a PM, and on top of that quoted a PM that wasn't sent to you. I'm assuming Alexhans shared it with you in quote form (which was a bad move on his part) after I sent it, but either way I'm really disappointed by the way some people are playing right now.

Blatant rules infraction that it is aside, yes, I did contact Alexhans after I checked him out, and was seeking his help in getting Org off of Alexhans' case, but why you just quoted that to everyone doesn't make sense to me. At the time of that message, I didn't know what his role was and suspected him to be the Hammerer, but I had no way to be sure yet. I wasn't about to reveal that I was Child to him until afterward, and that he had mentioned "being in contact with the child" already, I could only assume that someone else, who I now understand to be you, Karlito, had already begun spinning that lie around him.

And I did tell Alexhans I was the child after he told me that he was Sheriff... What did you do after that? Did you tell him there were actually two Child roles, or were you trying to turn him against me at that point, and since he was on to your tactic, you and the elves had him killed him last night, or what?

EDIT: Meph, I'm not going to spend what may be my last Lie Scan proving my innocence today only to be elf-killed in the night... If people don't believe me and end up Lynch-voting, I'll use the final Scan I have, but I'm not going to blow it a moment before then.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 10, 2009, 01:22:10 pm
Webadict:
Does the child get the results of his action at the end of the day, or right after he uses them?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 10, 2009, 01:31:22 pm
Webadict:
Does the child get the results of his action at the end of the day, or right after he uses them?
The Child receives them right after using his power.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 10, 2009, 01:33:18 pm
First of all, you just quoted a PM, and on top of that quoted a PM that wasn't sent to you. I'm assuming Alexhans shared it with you in quote form (which was a bad move on his part) after I sent it, but either way I'm really disappointed by the way some people are playing right now.

Ah ha!  So, you admit to sending that pm.  And I can quote any pm I want, as long as webadict isn't in it.  We already know that Alexhans is the sheriff.  So why would he be sending information to me?  Maybe because he already confirmed me himself.  If you are the child, and you've been telling the truth, then I must be the sly elf.  But, if I was the sly elf, then the sheriff would be able to detect me.  You've been caught in your own web of lies Solifuge.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 01:36:15 pm
Of course I admit to contacting Alexhans! I was working with him, you, and LASD! And if you recall, he had me proven innocent after he Sheriff-scanned me... convenient how you've been leaving that out!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 10, 2009, 01:44:42 pm
No, you weren't.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 10, 2009, 01:45:32 pm
Karlito.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 10, 2009, 02:05:18 pm
Ok, prove yourself to me.

I have a night power role.

Alright, I'll check this statement.  I believe that Meph is pro-town, although I have no proof.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 10, 2009, 02:31:52 pm
Karlito, "No you weren't" is quite possibly the best argument I've ever heard. In response to it, I tell you this. "Yes I was". The irrefutable nature of my argument should soon become apparent. ;D

Anyway, since we're quoting PMs now, how about these?
I tried to compile info on the last 3 days in the thread. Good luck making sense of it, because after the 2 Woodcutters thing, I'm getting progressively more confused about the rules in this game. Methinks time for a decent amount of sleep tonight.
Your info IS valuable but I'm not sure why I should trust you...  You had the same playstyle in paranormal mafia and were a filthy Alien... ;)

Can you claim to me or give me any sign of your innocence?  If you could then I could tell this to the Child, so he can strategize better with his contacts.

Alex, I AM the Child. I'm pretty sure that unlike the woodcutter, there can only be one of those too, so whomever you have been contacting as the Child is either a lying Dwarf, or more likely an Elf trying to earn your trust and get information out of you. I'd seriously advise caution, and urge you to let me know who he is, and who these contacts are, so I can scan them.

Woah, seriously? I'm not entirely certain that I can trust you yet, but I know the Sheriff, and can make sure you are what you say you are. I'm not going to reveal the name of the "other" Child until I've got you checked out though... Sorry.  :-\

During the night, he PMed the living members of the group that I checked out as Child, but never followed with the name of his former "Child" contact. LASD died due to his Lover's death, so he's not here now, and Karlito was the only one now living that also got the PM, (though I've no doubt that he'll deny getting it now). Even better though, later that night, Alexhans was killed by the elves.

EDIT: On top of his most recent claim to being the Child, that each member that was in the "cleared" group was systematically killed, save for Karlito, on top of which him being the one person who was checked prior to the Elf-Proof method, should make this pretty irrefutable. Well played Karlito, but you are, without a doubt, a very lucky Sly Elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 10, 2009, 02:59:12 pm
Very very ugly situation going on here. I don't like any of this. If we guess wrong we kill the child who is our last major asset against the Elves. Karlito did PM me back with the correct answer, but it could still have been a lucky guess.

I say we lynch neither of them today. Let's let our Hunters and Ambushers see what they can find out tonight.

In the meantime, let's see if we can figure out another Elf to lynch.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 10, 2009, 03:15:43 pm
No, Alexhans checked me out already.  He knew I was the child.
Ok... Ive checked you.  Im the sheriff... I fully trust you cause I can find roles every 2 turns.  I know you're the child.

Im gonna catch up now-  and then we can decide what to do.

 I can't wrap my head around this crazy story you are spinning, Solifuge.  If you were working with us from the start, then why are you attacking me for CJ's lynching?  By your own story you would have been involved in that too.  And since you claim we were all working together, how then does this post make sense?

I guess I should apologize to ChaoticJosh, since I essentially got him lynched.  I was unaware that there could be two Woodcrafters, and I had LASD confirmed from the start.  I know only one other to be a confirmed dwarf, and I would very much appreciate a guard tonight.  Preferably all of them.

Aside from you lurking until you finally came out now, this statement is the hardest piece of evidence against you, Karlito. You led two bandwagons, one against ChaoticJosh, who was claiming to be woodcutter, and should have in no way been targeted by a sane Dwarf when we both knew I could investigate him, and against Org, who is the only other living confirmed Dwarf.

Also, you know full well that there is most likely no guard left, since you killed Cheetar as soon as he was cleared via being Lover to LASD... which, by the way, was a really sly move. Targetting Cheetar in the night allowed you to "kill" his lover LASD, without making it look suspicious to us. If LASD had been the target, we would have noticed the pattern, as all our recent confirmations were being systematically killed.

EDIT: Its just not adding up for me.  (Which, of course, it wouldn't seeing as the whole tale is a load of crap.)  If you are the child, then why didn't you call me out when I led the bandwagon against CJ if "we both knew that you could investigate him easily."  Because you claim you would have also known that LASD was the woodcutter, why would that even be an issue?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 10, 2009, 03:26:15 pm
Zaith.
Stop lurking, you dirty elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 10, 2009, 04:18:20 pm
Whoops, been inactive. A lot of reading to get thorough, also as far as I know I am anti-town. I am a friendly dwarf as at the start of the game I was assigned the role of a peasant. With so many roles in this game I thought that was kind of odd, so I probably got a hidden ability. If this ability is the friendly one, then it all makes sense.

I tend to believe Solifuge's argument over Karlito's based on the current information but I am too much of a coward to make a decision just yet. So I will point my FoS at Karlito for now, maybe vote for him when I make up my mind.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 10, 2009, 04:26:05 pm
Sorry, sorry. I've been distracted by other things. I've actually already subtly revealed my role in one of my earlier posts, though I wouldn't doubt it if nobody caught it.

This situation is rather similar to the first Paranormal Mafia game, where Josh was a doppelganger claiming to be the Agent, when I really was. If we lynch one, we may actually be lynching the Child.

The only "safe" solution that I can think of is to wait until the 5th day, and if one of them's dead, it should be the Child. Then we lynch the one remaining. And of course for this solution to work, the Hammerer should not kill either of them. However, this "solution" (I'd hardly call this one) is rather inefficient, and the Mafia could easily decide not to lynch the real Child because they're expecting this.

Right now, Solifuge has presented a better argument than Karlito. So, I FoS Karlito. (Ninja'd by AFD on that last bit)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 10, 2009, 04:31:05 pm
Zaith.
Stop lurking, you dirty elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 10, 2009, 04:37:49 pm
Zaith isn't an elf.  Alexhans checked him on the first day.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 10, 2009, 04:38:12 pm
Zaith.
Stop lurking, you dirty elf.

I'm sorry. I get nothing out of reading your post a second time (after I've already posted), except remembering to correct you on my name: Zai, not Zaith.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 10, 2009, 04:39:04 pm
Brilliant work there Org, Quoting yourself for no reason. Why don't we all quote ourselves for no reason just to add more posts to the game.

I will also FoS Org with my second hand, he is acting a little to weird and being a little too intent on getting Zaith lynched. But if I can't trust Org, then that means I can't trust Solifuge.
Also Org, if you are trying to play the newb card again, It won't work, we know you have played in numerous mafia's now, you no longer can claim noobishment protection.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 10, 2009, 04:41:41 pm
You see.
Zai can be like 4+ roles.
Elf, Doctor, Sheriff, Guard, or something like that.
So, which one?
I wonder because you went after me.
Which is why I thought you an elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 10, 2009, 04:48:26 pm
You see.
Zaith can be like 4+ roles.
Elf, Doctor, Sheriff, Guard, or something like that.
So, which one?
I wonder because you went after me.
Which is why I thought you an elf.

That logic sounds like OMGUS to me.

But I am pro-town (would you prefer it if I said "I am anti-town" to show I'm not a sly elf?). If you want to know the exact role I have, go study my earlier posts.

Also. What the hell? I've already corrected you about my name. Do you just not read my posts at all?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 10, 2009, 04:49:43 pm
Sorry.
My fault
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 10, 2009, 07:31:23 pm
Solifuge kinda looks like he's overcompensating with some of these arguments, but I'd rather take that over some of Karlito's arguments like "No you weren't." So I vote Karlito.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 10, 2009, 07:46:35 pm
Random vote to get some more people talking today: qwertyuiopas

What do you have to say for yourself Qwerty? How do we know you're not a nasty lurking elf?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 10, 2009, 08:09:27 pm
I say No Lynch. It's just too confusing to kill anyone right now, though this might have been a ploy by the Elves to get the real Child to role claim. But if Solifuge is telling the truth then the Elves already knew this.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 10, 2009, 08:25:30 pm
I'm keeping set on Karlito.

His "NO U" arguments are not convincing.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 11, 2009, 12:26:57 pm
I suppose that I should take it as a compliment that you guys believe that I could fool both the sheriff and the child up to this point, but the story Solifuge is putting together doesn't make any sense.  Why would I be killing off the members of the confirmed group?  If I was an elf, I would already know who all the dwarves were.  Why would I suddenly accuse Solifuge of being an elf, when I could have remained undetected?  If I already knew Solifuge was the child, why wouldn't I have killed him already?

Besides, wouldn't you guys like to see Solifuge at least try to validate Meph's statement?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 11, 2009, 12:47:55 pm
I suppose that I should take it as a compliment that you guys believe that I could fool both the sheriff and the child up to this point, but the story Solifuge is putting together doesn't make any sense.  Why would I be killing off the members of the confirmed group?  If I was an elf, I would already know who all the dwarves were.  Why would I suddenly accuse Solifuge of being an elf, when I could have remained undetected?  If I already knew Solifuge was the child, why wouldn't I have killed him already?

Besides, wouldn't you guys like to see Solifuge at least try to validate Meph's statement?

In order:

To break up any solidified town base
To take out the child, who seems to be our last major tool against dirty elves.
If he's in contact with a doctor or guard but didn't tell anyone else, he might be covered, but it seems like you haven't gone after him at all - perhaps you assumed he was covered, or were too busy undermining his support and getting ready to call him out here.

Validation of a statement is a 50/50 gamble anyway by this point - plus, Meph could also be an elf, backing you up.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 11, 2009, 02:12:08 pm
Solifuge claims that he contacted me on the first turn  If I was an elf and I was contacted on the first turn by the child, why wouldn't I kill him?  The child is the most important pro-town role (tied with the sheriff).  If he is the child, and has been known by an elf since the first turn, why would he still be alive?

And again, why would Solifuge be saying this:
You led two bandwagons, one against ChaoticJosh, who was claiming to be woodcutter, and should have in no way been targeted by a sane Dwarf when we both knew I could investigate him,
When earlier he said this:
I too cast my bit in for the elf-suspicion of ChaoticJosh... the woodcutter bit sounds a lot like an attempt to backpeddle after realizing what asking the Sheriff to investigate him would do.

I'm trying to point out that his argument, when taken as a whole, contradicts and invalidates itself.  Which is something that frequently happens when you type pages and pages of lies.

And Panda, at this point having Solifuge attempt to validate Meph's can only benefit the town.  If he also gets it right, then its pretty clear to everyone Meph is a townie who is just trying to figure this out, and one of us just got lucky.  If he gets it wrong, even if it doesn't affect your lynch vote, then you know Meph is allied with me, and if you guys continue on this path and foolishly lynch your child, it will still be apparent that Meph is town aligned.  The town has nothing to lose by requesting Solifuge validate Meph's statement.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 11, 2009, 02:30:58 pm
... Unvote.

I need to go over this and check the truth of all of the claims you two have made against each other but I can't do it right now.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 11, 2009, 03:21:00 pm
Could people PLEASE stop editing their posts? It's hard enough to figure this all out without worrying about someone covering up a slip. If you need to say something else, just double-post.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 11, 2009, 04:28:22 pm
Karlito, you forget that I rescinded my vote against ChaoticJosh soon after, because I realized I hadn't made any sense:
Maybe I'm overanalyzing though. I also haven't slept in 24 hours, and just went in to donate a quart of blood plasma, so that could be affecting my logic.

Anyways, I'll rescind the vote for ChaoticJosh pending the child-scan (and a lucid state of mind). I don't know where to cast my vote now though.

On to what is important; if the town would rather I validate whether Mephansteras has a night-time role or not, rather than investigate another potentially suspicious player who is not affiliated with Karlito, I'll do it.

I'd remind you that this is most likely the last scan you'll get from me, since if I survive today, I've still pointed suspicion on Karlito, and the elves will undoubtedly kill me tonight.

Also, if I am to validate you, Meph, make a statement to prove both that you are a dwarf, and whether or not you have a night-time role. Otherwise, we wont know if you're just another Power Role Elf working with Karlito.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 11, 2009, 04:57:00 pm
I don't think I can do that with one statement without making it obvious what the truth of the statement is.

If I say I'm a dwarf with a night role, and I'm a dwarf without a night role, you get 'lie', which could mean I'm an elf or that I'm a dwarf without a night role. Proves nothing.
If I say I'm a dwarf without a night role, and I'm a dwarf with a night role, you get 'lie', which could mean I'm an elf or that I'm a dwarf with a night role. Proves nothing.
If I say I'm and elf or anti-town and either with or without a night role, then you get 'lie' unless BOTH are true. Which would nab you an elf if I was one, but not help prove whether or not you're the child. I'm not an elf, so that doesn't help any.

Unless you can think of a statement that will work...

To be honest, that's a really suspicious move on your part, and makes me trust Karlito a bit more.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 11, 2009, 07:01:39 pm
It's not suspicious of me to want to uncover one person's identity. I don't want to have blown my last claim clearing my name, because short of surviving the lynch AND getting protected tonight, I'm done for either way. I want to make some good come of this role-claim, and either clear a living person, or preferably take an Elf down with me.

Still, scanning a combined statement like those which you've given will return the truthfulness of your entire post, so a combination of an Elf Check and Role Check can potentially conflict. However, I already know that Karlito is the Sly Elf, and thus we don't need to use the "anti-town" method Pandarsenic developed to thwart that.

I'm currently running through possible statements that will only return true if you're an Elf AND have a role, and yet will still reveal whether you have a role or not; the goal is to somehow both clear my name, and clear you of any elf-suspicion. I'm having difficulty though... Pandarsenic can perhaps help me with this?

EDIT-  Explaination: As I understand it, so long as there are players who can have the role, each role will appear at least once. Thus, unless we have more than 3 elves, each Elf will have a role: Druid, Sly, and Covert.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 11, 2009, 08:35:41 pm
Okay, I have been inactive for a while, rarely getting around to posting.
I am a(the) surgeon(or maybe a(the) philosiphor), and will be protecting either Karlito or Solifuge.

Since the chances of the elves killing one of their own are practically nothing, even if I protect the wrong one, there is no loss, and if I protect the right one it is a major gain.

If the elves kill me, it gives thr true child an extra turn to live to strike down the menace of the tree-hugging pansies who couldn't grow a beard of anything except blood, and even for that they need a dwarf's help!

DEATH TO the ELVES!!!‼!!!!‼!!!!!‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼!!‼‼‼‼‼‼!!!!!‼‼‼!!!!!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 11, 2009, 08:38:53 pm
I've got nothin', Solifuge. Meph pointed out the problem and I can't see any way around it. His very choice, if he's a dwarf, would make the answer obvious already or you'd have to get false. :|
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 11, 2009, 10:28:48 pm
Gottcha!
I am the Child, and have been in contact with Karlito since I checked him on the first turn.
Luckily for me, I've made contact with Org, and verified him several nights prior, without informing anyone.
Blatant rules infraction that it is aside, yes, I did contact Alexhans after I checked him out,
So far those are the three child scans you've claimed to have made.  But wait:
Of course I admit to contacting Alexhans! I was working with him, you, and LASD!
How could LASD have been involved on day 2?  It was clear that me, LASD, and Cheeetar were in contact with eachother at that point.  So you must have scanned him on day 2.  But wait, that means that you would have had to have made 4 scans in the last 3 turns, which is impossible.  I caught you; there's no way you can wriggle out of this one, elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 11, 2009, 10:43:33 pm
I'll wait for Solifuge's explanation/excuse before acting on that.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 11, 2009, 11:02:30 pm
LASD was never my scan target. Remember that we also had the Sheriff on our side, Alexhans. You obviously don't know how we got our information... you only know what we shared with you.

Also, funny that you spring this the moment I send my scan results to Mephansteres. I found a way to prove both my innocence, and whether or not Meph is an Elf. The ball, however, is now in Meph's court, and I await his response.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 11, 2009, 11:36:49 pm
Wow. Lots of activity. Just so everyone knows, the Day ends in 24 hours. Vote soon, while you can.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 11, 2009, 11:39:42 pm
I eagerly await Meph's response to my PM.

Also, Karlito: going over your current argument here, I found this awesome little tidbit.

No, Alexhans checked me out already.  He knew I was the child.
Ok... Ive checked you.  Im the sheriff... I fully trust you cause I can find roles every 2 turns.  I know you're the child.

Im gonna catch up now-  and then we can decide what to do.

Nice fabricated quotation. Aside from when this was timestamped, The writing is nothing like Alexhans'. "I fully trust you cause I can find roles every 2 turns." particularly so; neither is that Alexhan's writing style, nor would he stop to explain the minor details of his role to you without involving a plan.

In addition, why would he randomly blow his limited-use-power on you, without any reason, which conveniently states that you were the Child?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 12, 2009, 12:22:43 am
I'm going to go out on a limb here and vote for Solifuge. He seems to be the most likely elf in my opinion. If Solifuge is an elf, then we can guarantee that Org is also an elf. My vote counts for two so I think that puts Solifuge down as dwarf/elf with the most votes.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 12, 2009, 12:25:29 am
Fey, wait for Meph's report before voting, would you?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 12, 2009, 12:28:43 am
I don't understand what Meph is doing, this whole thread is too confusing. As it stands I believe Solifuge is the elf so I will vote for him. If Meph comes out and says something important, I can just as easily change my vote.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 12, 2009, 12:40:22 am
Meph has made a statement and each "child" is to send the verity of it to him and he'll say if they were right or not.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 12:55:39 am
Day 4 Votes (11 Players):
Player          Votes          FoS
Solifuge        2(3?)          N
Karlito         2              Y
quertyuiopas    1              N
Zaithemaster    0              Y
Org             0              Y

Mephansteras     Lynch Solifuge, No Lynch, Lynch qwertyuiopas
Karlito          Role-Claim (Child), Lynch Solifuge
A_Fey_Dwarf      FoS Org, Lynch Solifuge
penguinofhonor   Lynch Karlito
Org              Lynch Karlito, FoS "Zaith" Zaithemaster
Flintus10       
Archangel        Lynch Solifuge, No Lynch
Pandarsenic      [TF] Lynch Karlito, No Lynch
Solifuge         Role-claim (Child), Lynch Karlito, "Org, Archangel, and A_Fey_Dwarf are guaranteed roles"
Zaithemaster     FoS Karlito
qwertyuiopas     Role-Claim (Surgeon/Philosopher)

Proven Roles:
* Living Roles: Archangel (Hammerer), A_Fey_Dwarf (Friendly Elf/Dwarf)
* Dead Roles: inaluct (Peasant), Squeegy (Ambusher), ChaoticJosh (Woodcutter), Cheetar (Royal Guard, Lover), Alexhans (Sheriff), LASD (Woodcutter)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 01:36:28 am
LASD was never my scan target. Remember that we also had the Sheriff on our side, Alexhans. You obviously don't know how we got our information... you only know what we shared with you.

So then Alexhans must have confirmed LASD.  Which means in order for LASD, Cheeetar, and me to lynchwagon CJ you must have been in contact with the sheriff by the second day.  Of course, that wouldn't explain why Alexhans voted to lynch Cheeetar on day 2.  If he was the one who confirmed LASD, then he'd also know that Cheeetar wasn't an elf.  Also, remember those pm's that we quoted earlier?  They detailed all the communication that took place between you and Alexhans.  All of them are timestamped April 4-5.  Day 2 ended on April 1.

Solifuge's version of events simply doesn't add up.  I'd think the truth would be pretty clear by now.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 12, 2009, 03:04:20 am
Karlito
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 12, 2009, 08:12:26 am
Solifuge, although it's still a 50/50 chance, I'll balance the votes as dwarves are more likely undecided so the elves can slowly add their votes to the impostor's.

So, by trying to balance the votes, I am hoping that the night killings reveal the truth giving us a marginally better than 50/50 chance.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 12, 2009, 11:17:02 am
Webadict, you might have to extend the day 12 hours or so if Karlito and Solifuge still want to argue.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 12, 2009, 11:22:29 am
Agreed; this is a pivotal moment for the round and ending it prematurely would be just... all kinds of bad.

On the other hand, if one of them refuses to answer before time or desires for the time limit to remain, we know who to vote for.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 11:23:27 am
Actually, we should give them till tomorrow.
It is Easter. They might be doing something.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 12, 2009, 11:24:22 am
...

Holy shit, it's Easter! :O
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 11:26:12 am
Sarcasm?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 12, 2009, 11:29:39 am
No, I seriously forgot, because I don't celebrate it and there are no decorations in my house at all. O_O
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 11:32:43 am
Well:
Go get some meat, stuffing, bread, and Cranberry sauce(mmmhmmm....cranberry sauce).
Cook.
Eat.
Win.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 11:35:49 am
Happy Easter, everyone! I already celebrated Pagan Easter earlier in the month, so I got thrown off a bit as well. I'm not busy, but Karlito and Meph may be, so an extension would probably be fairest.

Anyways, back to the arguin'


Solifuge, although it's still a 50/50 chance, I'll balance the votes as dwarves are more likely undecided so the elves can slowly add their votes to the impostor's.

So, by trying to balance the votes, I am hoping that the night killings reveal the truth giving us a marginally better than 50/50 chance.
Actually qwerty, your vote didn't balance things. A_Fey_Dwarf is a Friendly Elf/Dwarf, and thus his vote counts for 2, and I'm down by two votes. If the elves are doing as you said, they're siding with Karlito.

Also, Karlito, if you had contributed a single useful bit of information prior to your sudden emergence into the game today, I suspect people would be more inclined to believe your story. Additionally, you're absentmindedly talking as though you're just now finding out how our investigations worked.

I don't see where you're trying to go with your logic either: somehow your Bandwagon against a Cheetar proves that I'm lying and Alexhans contacted me sooner than he could have (when I investigated you first night), because... you bandwagoned to lynch Cheetar? I can't sort out the garbled mess and recursive logic you've started spitting out.

Also, I'm still waiting on Meph's response.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 02:52:17 pm
I don't really celebrate Easter either, but we are having a bunch of people over for dinner, so I'll be busy later in the day.  Since it is a holiday, it would be nice if the deadline could get extended, since its better if everyone playing gets some time to absorb this.
________________________________________________________________

First of all, it wasn't a bandwagon against Cheeetar.  It was a bandwagon against ChaoticJosh.  I investigated Cheeetar the first day, and was in contact with both LASD and Cheeetar that night.  When ChaoticJosh claimed the woodcrafter, we were unaware that there could be multiple woodcrafters, so we assumed it was a wicked elf plot. 

By your chain of events, I would have been brought into contact with LASD after you and Alexhans contacted each other, which happened after Day 2 had ended.  If that is true, you would then have to accept that the coordinated (and unfortunately misinformed) bandwagon that we launched against ChaoticJosh was a coincidence, and not the planned out strike that it was.  I could provide pm evidence of this event, but you'd just accuse me of faking them again, wouldn't you?

See, I think part of the problem here is that I don't understand what exactly you're claiming your timeline to be.  I'll put mine down, and then everyone will see that it actually fits with the events that happened.  I doubt the same can be said of yours.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 12, 2009, 02:59:41 pm
Night 3
  • Since I still have no idea what's going on, I decide to check Solifuge's statement, and discover that he is an elf.

Hang on, I thought the child could only check during the day? Or is that a false assumption? Webadict, where are you?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 03:09:07 pm
Nope, the child can do either.  Webadict doesn't seem to care that much.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 03:09:45 pm
Still.
Karlito...'
I havent seen any proof.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 12, 2009, 03:12:02 pm
I am so confused.

But I'm glad this is a card flip game.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 03:13:29 pm
Still.
Karlito...'
I havent seen any proof.
What sort of 'proof' are you looking for?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 03:14:16 pm
Well...
How about both of you die.
Then we know for sure.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 12, 2009, 03:14:26 pm
Well, sorry folks. I failed to luck out. Both checked/guessed correctly.

*sigh*

Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 03:15:36 pm
Well, its either:
1)One is an elf, the other is a child
2)They are both elves, lieing and deceiting
3)They are both children

It could be 2...
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 03:17:10 pm
It can't be 2.  All living players have already posted today.  If the child was still out there, then (s)he would have claimed by now.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 03:18:12 pm
Then you are both elves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 03:20:22 pm
Didn't I just say that was an impossibility?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 03:20:44 pm
How so?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 03:41:31 pm
Org, we can't both be elves, because there would have to be a third Real child out there, and there is no way they would go this long without informing the town.

Unless, of course, the rules don't necessitate a minimum of one child... in which case you could be right, but it would be highly unlikely that two elves would be at each other's throats.

In other news, I wish I'd made efforts to secure support from someone who is less inflammatory and made more sense. XD
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 12, 2009, 03:55:20 pm
Seeing as nothing has changed, my vote will stay with Solifuge.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 04:22:16 pm
Org, we can't both be elves, because there would have to be a third Real child out there, and there is no way they would go this long without informing the town.

Unless, of course, the rules don't necessitate a minimum of one child... in which case you could be right, but it would be highly unlikely that two elves would be at each other's throats.

In other news, I wish I'd made efforts to secure support from someone who is less inflammatory and made more sense. XD
You see, its your plan to bicker at each other.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 04:25:35 pm
So Org, I'd like it if you could actually either confirm or deny Solifuge's claims of contacting you, rather than just making baseless and senseless accusations.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 04:26:33 pm
I thought you cant quote messages?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 12, 2009, 04:29:46 pm
You can't quote a PM from webadict. I'm pretty sure that's the only restriction on PM quotes.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 04:32:08 pm
I don't understand what Meph is doing, this whole thread is too confusing. As it stands I believe Solifuge is the elf so I will vote for him. If Meph comes out and says something important, I can just as easily change my vote.

To explain completely, I had sent my scan results first to Pandarsenic, Org, and Archangel, who are the 3 players I know I can trust. The idea was that, if Meph claimed publicly that I was wrong and falsified my PM to him, I had 3 people who received the same PM, and Meph would have betrayed himself to be an Elf ally of Karlito. However, judging by what happened, either Meph didn't take the bait, or more likely that Meph is a Dwarf, and Karlito just got lucky.

At this point, I've played my last card, and what I think is in the town's best interest is to call off the lynch today, and use qwertyuiopas' method, to let the elves betray themselves in the night. The elves will target the real child tonight, and qwertuiopas will Surgeon-Guard either Karlito or Me tonight, at a coinflip. If he guards the wrong one, he's still fine, and the real Elf will be available for lynch tomorrow. If he guards the right one, he knows who he targeted, and can let us know, then, who the real Elf is, and the Town gets one last Child Scan.


Also, yes Org, I'd appreciate it if you at least confirmed that I contacted you. You don't have to quote the PM if you don't want to... the important part is letting them know that yes, I did contact you, and didn't pull it out of my arse after Karlito made his claim.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 04:32:33 pm
I know we can trust you, since I've checked you out, and you're elf-negative. I'm guessing you have a role since you know something about Alexhans... I'm going to try and get folks off your case right now with my connections, but I need you to work with me. What do you know?

Also, your latest statements just managed to get the Dwarves suspicious of you, and no doubt revealed that you had a role to the Elves. If I knew the Surgeon, I'd get them on you... lets hope they listen today.
Proof
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 12, 2009, 04:35:18 pm
I vote as necessary to prevent the lynch.

This means that whatever is necessary - no-lynch votes or votes in a way that cause a tie - I'll do.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 04:37:13 pm
I'd rather see a timeline of Solifuge's version of events first.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 04:37:28 pm
Now, If karlito stops this madness, I will drop my vote.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 04:37:58 pm
Quoted from the bottom of last page, for convenience:
I don't understand what Meph is doing, this whole thread is too confusing. As it stands I believe Solifuge is the elf so I will vote for him. If Meph comes out and says something important, I can just as easily change my vote.

To explain completely, I had sent my scan results first to Pandarsenic, Org, and Archangel, who are the 3 players I know I can trust. The idea was that, if Meph claimed publicly that I was wrong and falsified my PM to him, I had 3 people who received the same PM, and Meph would have betrayed himself to be an Elf ally of Karlito. However, judging by what happened, either Meph didn't take the bait, or more likely that Meph is a Dwarf, and Karlito just got lucky.

At this point, I've played my last card, and what I think is in the town's best interest is to call off the lynch today, and use qwertyuiopas' method, to let the elves betray themselves in the night. The elves will target the real child tonight, and qwertuiopas will Surgeon-Guard either Karlito or Me tonight, at a coinflip. If he guards the wrong one, he's still fine, and the real Elf will be available for lynch tomorrow. If he guards the right one, he knows who he targeted, and can let us know, then, who the real Elf is, and the Town gets one last Child Scan.

qwertyuiopas' post:
Okay, I have been inactive for a while, rarely getting around to posting.
I am a(the) surgeon(or maybe a(the) philosiphor), and will be protecting either Karlito or Solifuge.

Since the chances of the elves killing one of their own are practically nothing, even if I protect the wrong one, there is no loss, and if I protect the right one it is a major gain.

This method is probably what is in the town's best interest at this juncture.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 04:42:13 pm
At this point, I've played my last card, and what I think is in the town's best interest is to call off the lynch today, and use qwertyuiopas' method, to let the elves betray themselves in the night. The elves will target the real child tonight, and qwertuiopas will Surgeon-Guard either Karlito or Me tonight, at a coinflip. If he guards the wrong one, he's still fine, and the real Elf will be available for lynch tomorrow. If he guards the right one, he knows who he targeted, and can let us know, then, who the real Elf is, and the Town gets one last Child Scan.

Why does it make sense for the town to accept such a proposal from a person who could be an elf?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 12, 2009, 05:12:51 pm
The only issue is if I try to protect the correct person and the elves attack, and it turns out I am only a philosopher.

Or, if both Karlito and Solifuge are children, although that would be quite an issue.

Either way, I change my vote to NO LYNCH or SECOND HIGHEST because a lynch at this time is still a 50/50 chance.

The elves can't kill their fake(if they have one) as they will show up as the elf as they die.
If they kill the real child, there is a 50/50 chance I am protecting them, and an unknown chance(only webadict knows) that it does nothing. Either way we then know the fake.
If they go after someone else, even me, it buys the child another turn to check someone, hopefully allowing us to stop the menace.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 12, 2009, 05:32:47 pm
I also switch to no_lynch. Let's see what happens tonight. I can't tell which is the real child, and a 50/50 shot of killing the child is just too high.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 12, 2009, 05:35:23 pm
I also shall vote No Lynch. The night should hopefully tell us more.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 05:36:16 pm
No lynch
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 05:56:51 pm
Went through my PMs, and made a complete log of all my actions and known information, with my reasoning. In the event that I die, either today, or tonight, at least Alexhans' and my information will be of use in the rest of you. I've also included what knowledge I gained retroactively from Alexhans:


Day 1: Sat back and observed player styles and orders for common tells. Karlito had asked "Wouldn't the child actually read this statement as false no matter what?" which made me somewhat suspicious.
No Lynch occurred.
Night 1: I scanned Karlito's statement: "I am a dwarf too! What a coincidence." It returned as True, (non-conclusive for a Sly Elf, but chances were less than 1/16th that he was). Given the odds, I let him know my role, and that I was an ally.
Alexhans used his minor check on Inaluct. (I was informed of this on Day 3)
Inaluct was night-killed. Both he and Pandarsenic commented on this in the thread.

Day 2: Org made a suspicious statement: "I am a dwarf. Will not roleclaim. But it isnt not a good role."
ChaoticJosh was Lynched.
Night 2: I verified Org's "I am Anti-Town" statement. It returned False. I did not yet contact him.
(I suspect this was the point at which Karlito PMed Cheetar, LASD, or Alexhans as the "Child". I never received confirmation from Alexhans.)
Alexhans minor-scanned LASD, who informed him that his Lover was Cheetar. (I was told this on Day 3)
Cheetar was night-killed soon after.

Day 3: Org flipped out at Alexhans, and Alexhans flipped out at Org. Alexhans said he had contact with the child, which I knew had to be false.
I scanned Alexhans, and his "I am Anti-Town" was False. I explained that the "child" that contacted him was lying, and making false claims.
Karlito, Alexhans, LASD, and I met to discuss what we knew. I tried to mediate and get them off of Org's case, as well as get Org off of Alexhans'.
No Lynch occured
Night 3: Alexhans is killed. I do not know who he scanned, nor recieved the ID of his "child" contact.
LASD committed suicide due to Cheetar's death.

Day 4: Karlito role-claims Child, and lynch-votes me. I vote against him. I scan Meph to prove my innocence.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 06:15:47 pm
What if they are both children?
O_O
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 07:03:37 pm
So, what exactly makes you people believe that the elves will try to kill the child?  It seems like they'll just kill qwertyuiopas and then we'll be in the same position that we've been in.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 07:30:25 pm
And Solifuge, why would Alexhans trust you with his scan data, when he had not verified you?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 07:38:31 pm
Aside from the fact that I was trying to help him find you, and end the string of random lynch-votes he'd been making?

Also, I would ask you why Alexhans would blow a power he only has 2 uses of on you for no reason, and then send a PM that is timestamped before you claim to have contacted him, using broken sentences and emotes that I have never seen him use in conversation?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 12, 2009, 08:07:20 pm
Wait a minute. I just reread some stuff, and some of Solifuge's points just clicked in my head.

I'm voting Karlito. But at this point I think it's too late to counteract the no lynch votes anyway.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 08:08:16 pm
Karlito
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 12, 2009, 08:14:01 pm
Okay, Org. Now you're making me suspicious of you. When I voted no lynch, you immediately (within a minute) changed your vote to no lynch. And now when I vote Karlito, you immediately (within a minute) change your vote to Karlito.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 08:15:42 pm
O_O
Well.

i want to see if everyone would jump back to going for Sol people were going for Karlito.
 NO Vote.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 08:16:22 pm
There's nothing wrong with the grammar or the timestamps in that quote.  Let me demonstrate.  Here is the post that Alexhans made accusing Cheeetar:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Here's the pm that I first contacted him in:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Here's the pm that Alexhans sent me back:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Note that there aren't actually any emotes in it, and the grammar is very similar to the post that he made right after.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

After he made that, you contacted him.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

We both agree that both of us claimed to him.  Why would he share valuable information with you without investigating you?  Especially since it would have been clear to him that one of us was an elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 08:24:55 pm
And Zai, I'm on your side.
Zaith isn't an elf.  Alexhans checked him on the first day.
You're the only person that I have reasonable assurance isn't an elf.  A little faith wouldn't hurt, especially when Solifuge has his elf buddies backing him up.  Panda should probably be counted as one of them, since Solifuge has a mysterious and unexplained trust of him.

To explain completely, I had sent my scan results first to Pandarsenic, Org, and Archangel, who are the 3 players I know I can trust.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 12, 2009, 08:38:53 pm
...Fine then.

Back to No Lynch for me. Not like it matters now anyway.

I am still oh so confused. Hopefully, some knowledge will be gained from this coming night.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 12, 2009, 08:43:12 pm
So... Would Everyone like it if I extended this Day? I like seeing all the activity, which is really nice.

I'm actually excited to see how this whole thing turns out. I'll definitely keep a log of how things turn out and I'll make some notes of some key things. I'll release them when the game ends.

What if they are both children?
O_O
I can tell you right now that this is impossible. There can only be one of each type of Noble.

Also, for votes, I have this list:

Karlito Solifuge
Archangel Karlito
Solifuge Karlito
Pandarsenic (Switch to Second Highest)
penguinofhonor Karlito
Mephansteras No Lynch
Archangel No Lynch
A_Fey_Dwarf Solifuge
qwertyuiopas (Switch to Second Highest or No Lynch)
Zaithemaster No Lynch

Just know that you will only switch your vote for people that are PERCEIVED to have the most votes.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 08:49:25 pm
But look, if I was an elf, don't you think I'd get my elf buddies to back me up?  Who do you see backing me up?  There's no one.  All of the townies are isolated and confused, and the elves have enough numbers to sow doubt and confusion.  I've got you and probably Meph to look to.  Voting no lynch is a mistake.  You have no guarantee that qwertyuiopas is even a dwarf, and yet you are blindingly accepting this plan that's already been approved by Solifuge, who is an elf.


@Webadict
I'd like if the day was extended
Could you confirm that the child can perform his check at either day or night.
And for the purposes of the child's check, does simply being an elf count as having a night power role?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 12, 2009, 08:53:15 pm
I'm ready for this day to end.

Hopefully the night will bring some information. Right now, I think (Pandar's and qwerty's votes are slightly confusing) No Lynch is in the lead by one vote anyway. Even if I change my vote to Solifuge, there'll still be a No Lynch, due to a 3-way tie (discarding Pandar's vote, as there'd be no second highest).
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 08:55:00 pm
I'm okay either way.

@Webadict
I'd like if the day was extended
Could you confirm that the child can perform his check at either day or night.
And for the purposes of the child's check, does simply being an elf count as having a night power role?

Also, Karlito, the Child can check both day or night ...you have to ask this why?
I assume everyone can figure out the answer to that.

EDIT: Everyone get's really psyched out at Karlito whenever he says anything, and yet every claim he's made I have refuted... people are Lynch Voting and Un-Lynch Voting on and off at the slightest twitch.

This whole thing is quite a mess.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 12, 2009, 09:03:53 pm
But look, if I was an elf, don't you think I'd get my elf buddies to back me up?  Who do you see backing me up?  There's no one.  All of the townies are isolated and confused, and the elves have enough numbers to sow doubt and confusion.  I've got you and probably Meph to look to.  Voting no lynch is a mistake.  You have no guarantee that qwertyuiopas is even a dwarf, and yet you are blindingly accepting this plan that's already been approved by Solifuge, who is an elf.


@Webadict
I'd like if the day was extended
Could you confirm that the child can perform his check at either day or night.
And for the purposes of the child's check, does simply being an elf count as having a night power role?
I will confirm that the Child can perform checks both during the Day and Night.

Also, I will leave a poll up for a Day extension.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 09:04:12 pm
Are you really getting that desperate that you have to jump on everything I say?  Its for Fey's benefit.

Night 3
  • Since I still have no idea what's going on, I decide to check Solifuge's statement, and discover that he is an elf.

Hang on, I thought the child could only check during the day? Or is that a false assumption? Webadict, where are you?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 12, 2009, 09:17:36 pm
You have no guarantee that qwertyuiopas is even a dwarf, and yet you are blindingly accepting this plan that's already been approved by Solifuge, who is an elf.

If I were not either a surgeon or an unknowing philosopher, I may be an elf, but how would such a plan benefit an elf when I can simply persuade the crowd to vote against the real child?
So, what exactly makes you people believe that the elves will try to kill the child?  It seems like they'll just kill qwertyuiopas and then we'll be in the same position that we've been in.

It means that the child gets an extra day if they don't attack, and if they do, they lose their liar(although we might lose our child, it's more of a 60/40 split, with a better chance of the child surviving than a 50/50 split decided by who has the more convincing argument)

The other surgeon/philosopher(s?) guarding the child(or really who they think may be the child) would negate the effects if I am really an elf, but I still am not.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 09:23:57 pm
Are you really getting that desperate that you have to jump on everything I say?

I'll apologize for that, then. Am I frustrated by being in this situation? Yes. Will that disposition me to  jump on statements that smack of the erroneous? Most likely. Am I desperate? No. It's a product of being the victim of a lie, and being put in a very sticky situation for it. I have my evidence, and speak my truth. I trust whom I know I can, and doubt whom I cannot. Beyond that, it's out of my hands.


Anyway, by "Getting my Elf buddies to back me up" do you mean Archangel, who is guaranteed Hammerer? Yeah, definite Elf right there. Perhaps Pandarsenic, who armed us with the one statement that can defeat a Sly Elf? Yeah, total elf move there. If you mean Org, I can understand. Honestly, and no offense to you Org, but I ONLY trust you because I've scanned you with a sly-proof statement. It kinda sucks that he is the only living person I've contacted that can vouch for said communication, but I can't change who's been killed, or raise the dead.

As much as I would like to see Karlito lynched, clear this whole mess up, get saved from the inevitable Elf-attack in the event that qwertyuiopas is a genuine Surgeon, and get a few more shots at finding another Elf... honestly, that's a long shot for me at this point.

This whole thread is a mess, and I doubt anyone but Karlito and I have been able to accurately follow it. People, follow your observations and/or gut instincts, and just lynch either me or Karlito, and let's be done with it.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 12, 2009, 09:32:05 pm
Screw this.

Karlito.

If you were the child, you would realize how valuable the "I am anti-town" statement is.

As it is, I hope you like the gallows, you Sly Elf, you.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Zai on April 12, 2009, 09:34:05 pm
Fine. Karlito it is then.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 12, 2009, 10:26:27 pm
Anyway, by "Getting my Elf buddies to back me up" do you mean Archangel, who is guaranteed Hammerer? Yeah, definite Elf right there. Perhaps Pandarsenic, who armed us with the one statement that can defeat a Sly Elf? Yeah, total elf move there. If you mean Org, I can understand. Honestly, and no offense to you Org, but I ONLY trust you because I've scanned you with a sly-proof statement. It kinda sucks that he is the only living person I've contacted that can vouch for said communication, but I can't change who's been killed, or raise the dead.

Archangel?  Who said anything about Archangel?  I certainly never did.  But don't worry, I'm sure its just a product of your natural frustration and not yet another attempt at straw manning.

As for pandarsenic, I'd think that there would be enough experienced mafia players around to realize that pro-town actions don't have any relation to someone's actual alignment.  Should you be exonerated of all suspicion simply because you posted all those nice looking tables? 

But enough of this, you've managed to side track me again.  Let me clarify my argument.  In order for your claims to be considered true, Alexhans must have shared information with both you and I, when we both claimed to be the child, without checking either of us.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 12, 2009, 10:41:48 pm
The way I see this, you're trying to seem like the way we negated the Sly Elf is insignificant because a "real" Sly Elf would be more concerned about it, possibly even inflating the considerable weight of the action beyond its true value. Unfortunately for you, though, you've overcompensated.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 12, 2009, 11:01:09 pm
Okay, well votes have been tallied and the day will be extended. You'll have another 24 hours to vote.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Archangel on April 13, 2009, 02:34:14 am
Anyway, by "Getting my Elf buddies to back me up" do you mean Archangel, who is guaranteed Hammerer? Yeah, definite Elf right there. Perhaps Pandarsenic, who armed us with the one statement that can defeat a Sly Elf? Yeah, total elf move there. If you mean Org, I can understand. Honestly, and no offense to you Org, but I ONLY trust you because I've scanned you with a sly-proof statement. It kinda sucks that he is the only living person I've contacted that can vouch for said communication, but I can't change who's been killed, or raise the dead.

Archangel?  Who said anything about Archangel?  I certainly never did.  But don't worry, I'm sure its just a product of your natural frustration and not yet another attempt at straw manning.

As for pandarsenic, I'd think that there would be enough experienced mafia players around to realize that pro-town actions don't have any relation to someone's actual alignment.  Should you be exonerated of all suspicion simply because you posted all those nice looking tables? 

But enough of this, you've managed to side track me again.  Let me clarify my argument.  In order for your claims to be considered true, Alexhans must have shared information with both you and I, when we both claimed to be the child, without checking either of us.
Of those he mentioned, I was the only one voting for you at the time. And Webadict, I was mentioned twice on your list of votes.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Karlito on April 13, 2009, 08:18:54 am
I know we can trust you, since I've checked you out, and you're elf-negative. I'm guessing you have a role since you know something about Alexhans... I'm going to try and get folks off your case right now with my connections, but I need you to work with me. What do you know?

Also, your latest statements just managed to get the Dwarves suspicious of you, and no doubt revealed that you had a role to the Elves. If I knew the Surgeon, I'd get them on you... lets hope they listen today.
Proof
I don't know why I didn't catch this before.  Solifuge claims to have contacted Org on Day 1, but Day 2 started on March 30th and this pm is from April 4th!  It was sent a the same time that he pmed Alexhans claiming to be the child.  This proves, without a doubt, that Solifuge has been lying.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 13, 2009, 09:56:31 am
If you look at his timeline (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=32387.msg508520#msg508520), he only says he contacted you on day 1.

edit: Actually, his timeline doesn't even mention contacting Org.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 13, 2009, 10:06:06 am
Ok, Org, could you please tell us when Solifuge contacted you?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 13, 2009, 10:15:07 am
And Webadict, I was mentioned twice on your list of votes.
My bad. Which one is it?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 13, 2009, 12:48:36 pm
Actually Karlito and PenguinOfHonor, as I have always said, I contacted Karlito on turn one. As you can see in the timeline, Org was scanned on Day 2, and contacted during the Alexhans/Org fiasco on Day 3 (April 4th)

Day 3: Org flipped out at Alexhans, and Alexhans flipped out at Org. Alexhans said he had contact with the child, which I knew had to be false.
I scanned Alexhans, and his "I am Anti-Town" was False. I explained that the "child" that contacted him was lying, and making false claims.
Karlito, Alexhans, LASD, and I met to discuss what we knew. I tried to mediate and get them off of Org's case, as well as get Org off of Alexhans'.
No Lynch occured
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Solifuge on April 13, 2009, 12:58:27 pm
Double-Post to Avoid Editing:

I really don't understand what more there is to discuss. Except for your own word, and a suspiciously terse and poorly-written "PM" from Alexhans, you have nothing on my timeline, my PMs, my evidence, my supporters, or anything.

A little under 12 Hours remain. Lynch or no, I am ready for this day to be done.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: Org on April 13, 2009, 04:59:47 pm
I think it was the fourth of April.

Okay. Now, I have to say, I am with Solifuge.
Before, it was unclear.
Karlito
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 4)
Post by: webadict on April 13, 2009, 10:59:02 pm
The votes are tallied up, and the crowd grabs Karlito. He struggles and fights the crowd while being tied to the hammering block. The Hammerer slowly marches toward him. Karlito cowers. It's all over for him.

Suddenly, a voice echoes throughout the mountainhome.

“Hold everything!” yells the Duke. In his hands rests a document. He hands it to the Hammerer. “Karlito is not to be hammered today!”

The town looks slightly confused, and then suddenly turns on Solifuge! They throw him onto the Hammering block instead. The Hammerer looks up at the Duke, who turns his back and walks away.

Solifuge is given 6 Hammerstrikes before dying! Soon afterward, his room is broken into, revealing masses of assassination attempts, forged documents, and a tree. The Town cheers at the dead Covert Elf, mostly by drinking and partying.

The Day ends and the Town rests, delighted by their dead Elf.

It is now Night.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Night 4)
Post by: webadict on April 15, 2009, 11:46:43 pm
As morning comes around, you find the body of Org the Tracker, limbs broken and head smashed in. In the dining hall lies the body of Mephansteras, who appears to have choked to death on a turtle. The Duke is placed in his tomb, and vengeance lingers in the air.

It is now Day.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 16, 2009, 12:03:13 am
At least I was a useful Duke!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: webadict on April 16, 2009, 12:16:20 am
At least I was a useful Duke!
Quiet. You're dead.

You're the first Duke to actually use their power.

You were also the first Duke to forget to use their power and accidentally lynch the Traitor Dwarf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 16, 2009, 12:38:52 am
Meph is good at being a Duke. :D
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Solifuge on April 16, 2009, 10:43:41 am
I dare say so. I had most of you guys going... you owe a lot to Meph's move there. He was the only one I know of that pierced the veil of about 3 hours of lie-crafting, and a page worth of rules-related PMs to Webadict. :P

P.S. That was the most fun I've had in a while!

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/Figgin/Dwarf%20Fortress/DF_Accomplishments.png?t=1239896431)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: webadict on April 16, 2009, 11:10:26 am
Hey! Dead people be quiet! You talk when the game's over!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Solifuge on April 16, 2009, 12:44:24 pm
*sinks quietly back into the grave, sticking his tongue out*
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Karlito on April 16, 2009, 05:08:23 pm
Drat, Org was an innocent victim after all.  And for some reason I'm marked dead in the player list.  I'm assuming that's a mistake.

Ok, here's our situation: there are 5 people who are unconfirmed by me.  I'd like to check #1 on my list of suspicious persons: Pandarsenic.  Then we'll have 4 unchecked people and at least 2 possibly 3 of them are elves, so a lynch should probably get one of them.  Unless someone else has a better idea.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: webadict on April 16, 2009, 06:44:30 pm
Drat, Org was an innocent victim after all.  And for some reason I'm marked dead in the player list.  I'm assuming that's a mistake.

Ok, here's our situation: there are 5 people who are unconfirmed by me.  I'd like to check #1 on my list of suspicious persons: Pandarsenic.  Then we'll have 4 unchecked people and at least 2 possibly 3 of them are elves, so a lynch should probably get one of them.  Unless someone else has a better idea.
Whoops. My mistake.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 16, 2009, 09:27:58 pm
I guess this clears me up... My calculated guess of Solifuge being an elf was correct. I just had this feeling that his stories didn't add up and when I also saw that nobody was bandwagoning against him, which the elves would certainly try to do if he was not one of their own.

We now have a list of likely suspects as those who bandwagoned against Karlito, Explain yourselves penguinofhonor, Zai and Pandarsenic. Why shouldn't I vote against you?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 16, 2009, 10:43:51 pm
Karlito didn't seem to be arguing as well. Solifuge had all those flashy timelines and charts and things, and it just seemed like he had more evidence. At least the duke had more sense than I did.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 16, 2009, 11:41:31 pm
penguinofhonor summed it up pretty well. Solifuge WAS arguing better.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Zai on April 17, 2009, 04:08:57 pm
We now have a list of likely suspects as those who bandwagoned against Karlito, Explain yourselves penguinofhonor, Zai and Pandarsenic. Why shouldn't I vote against you?

Because the child (Karlito if you haven't been paying attention) has already checked me. If you had been observing his posts closely, you would have known this.

And Zai, I'm on your side.
Zaith isn't an elf.  Alexhans checked him on the first day.
You're the only person that I have reasonable assurance isn't an elf.  A little faith wouldn't hurt, especially when Solifuge has his elf buddies backing him up.  Panda should probably be counted as one of them, since Solifuge has a mysterious and unexplained trust of him

I'll wait for Karlito to vote before I do.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Karlito on April 17, 2009, 06:28:05 pm
I want to check pandarsenic.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 17, 2009, 09:40:20 pm
I am anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: webadict on April 17, 2009, 09:50:15 pm
Voting period is ending soon. Will none of ye cast your votes?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 17, 2009, 09:52:26 pm
... Solifuge.
<_<
>_>
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Archangel on April 17, 2009, 09:54:58 pm
Ok. no lynch
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 17, 2009, 09:57:26 pm
Are you sure no lynch is a good idea at this point?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Archangel on April 17, 2009, 10:01:23 pm
No, but the person you voted for is dead.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: webadict on April 17, 2009, 10:10:06 pm
No, but the person you voted for is dead.
Pandarsenic got burned.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 17, 2009, 10:13:43 pm
I'm voting for penguinofhonor, He along with Panda seem the most likely suspects. If Karlito's check is successful, I will vote for Panda.

Edited for color
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 17, 2009, 10:23:24 pm
No, but the person you voted for is dead.
Pandarsenic got burned.
I did that intentionally.

Also, am I the only one who finds A_F_D suspicious? O_o
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 17, 2009, 10:28:18 pm
What? I don't know who to vote for, but not me. No lynch. Our ambushers and hunters need to start working harder. We can't make it on only the child.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Archangel on April 17, 2009, 10:31:33 pm
Our ambushers and hunters need to start working harder. We can't make it on only the child.
It's possible I accidentally killed them all...

If I have, oops :(
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 17, 2009, 10:41:38 pm
We have to vote for someone at the moment... There are about 8 of us here with at least two being elves. If I disclude myself, Zai, Karlito and Archangel (who I firmly believe are Dwarves), that leaves four unaccounted for: Panda, penguin, Flintus and Qwerty. Out of those four, two are likely elves. Out of those four, I believe Panda and penguin are acting the most suspicious for bandwagoning against Karlito. We have to take a chance and vote for who is acting the most suspicious as they are the most likely elves. If we just play the slow game of no lynching then the elves will have majority sooner then we know it. Also, Karlito if you want to check me, I am anti-town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Archangel on April 17, 2009, 10:45:45 pm
I agree. I unvote and as I am really suspicious of Penguin of Honor, I vote for him.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 17, 2009, 10:47:47 pm
Wait, Flintius? He hasn't even posted recently. He's been on the forum, too. I unvote and vote Flintius10.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 17, 2009, 10:59:18 pm
Flintus may just have forgotten.
I'll go with Archangel on PoH I guess? :|
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: webadict on April 17, 2009, 11:01:21 pm
I need votes, so I'll keep this open until tomorrow. Then it's night.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: Flintus10 on April 18, 2009, 04:12:44 am
Yaha i made it in this time.

I don't want to make a vote before the check though we have lost a lot of good townspeople if pandar is not an elf then it is very likely Penguin is so for now No vote
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 5)
Post by: webadict on April 19, 2009, 09:19:56 pm
Sorry for my lateness.

The Dwarves descend upon penguinofhonor! They drag him in front of the hammerer, who proceeds to hit him 1... Wow, only one time?

A quick scan of his room shows of his room finds a myriad of plants and animals hanging about. He is undoubtedly the Sly Elf!

Another Day. Another Elf. Another party.


It is now Night. Send you actions.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Night 5)
Post by: webadict on April 22, 2009, 12:16:18 am
You wake up, and to your horror, you find the Hammerer, Archangel, dead! His arm is broken, and he has a gash on his head, but his hammer is impaled through his chest. On the wall is written, “Long live the hammerer”. People can hardly bare the sight and start demanding blood!

It is now Day.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 22, 2009, 02:53:40 am
What the shit? How did they kill him without losing someone?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Archangel on April 22, 2009, 03:13:11 am
It must have been the leader.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 22, 2009, 05:47:52 am
Mmm, right.

Wait a minute. Shush, Archangel, you're dead. T_T
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Karlito on April 22, 2009, 04:44:55 pm
So then, who do we think?  Qwerty, Flintus, or Fey?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 22, 2009, 10:23:42 pm
In the tradition of people who got killed, I have to comment now. Sorry, webadict. It's apparently a rule since everyone else has been doing it.

GO ELVES
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 22, 2009, 11:51:31 pm
So then, who do we think?  Qwerty, Flintus, or Fey?

So you cleared Panda? Also, why am I suspicious? I just helped lynch two elves...
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 22, 2009, 11:58:01 pm
*Shrugs*

Let's drop qwerty for now. If it doesn't end we'll pop A Fey Dwarf next I guess.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Flintus10 on April 23, 2009, 05:59:25 am
Well Pandersic is clear and A Fey Dwarf doesn't seem sucpicious so Qwerty  has my vote.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 23, 2009, 06:35:11 am
And yet there is a chance that I may be helping...

You just started a random bandwagon, against the person who roleclaimed a townie with no better reason.

Are you sure you want to do this? It would make you look a lot like elves when I die and am NOT one.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Zai on April 23, 2009, 04:41:55 pm
And yet there is a chance that I may be helping...

You just started a random bandwagon, against the person who roleclaimed a townie with no better reason.

Are you sure you want to do this? It would make you look a lot like elves when I die and am NOT one.

...Are you actually saying that the guy who is confirmed without a shadow of a doubt to be the Child will look a lot more like an elf?

Qwerty it is then.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Karlito on April 23, 2009, 04:52:31 pm
No Lynch
Instead of lynching someone right now, one of the three people who I mentioned earlier should say something checkable so we can narrow the list down to two.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 23, 2009, 05:29:02 pm
I am anti town.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Karlito on April 23, 2009, 05:55:08 pm
Fey is good.  I'm still going to not be voting, since I'd really rather not turn traitor.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 23, 2009, 05:58:18 pm
How many people do we have left?

I may wish/need to change my vote to avoid traitorness as well. D:
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Zai on April 23, 2009, 06:24:00 pm
Six people are left alive, two of which are apparently under suspicion. I'll unvote and change it to abstain.

To avoid confusing traitoring, I say we leave only flintus voting for qwerty, while the rest of us abstain (nobody can do no lynch). That way, if qwerty makes a traitor after death, only one person is a candidate. We're already planning on possibly lynching flintus next day anyway if the game doesn't end, so it'd be like hitting two birds with one stone.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: Karlito on April 23, 2009, 06:50:45 pm
I sort of had that idea.  If qwerty votes, one of you will be needed to break the tie, though.  Its too bad they got Archangel, he was immune to conversion.

unvote, and abstain
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 23, 2009, 06:55:20 pm
Also webadict, does this
Quote
He also appears as a noble.
mean the druid will go un detected by both child and sheriff checks? Because we may have a druid in our midsts if it does.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: webadict on April 23, 2009, 07:03:22 pm
Also webadict, does this
Quote
He also appears as a noble.
mean the druid will go un detected by both child and sheriff checks? Because we may have a druid in our midsts if it does.
No, the Druid will appear noble to the Royal Guard only. Sheriff will get an Elf scan and Child will get an Elf scan.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Day 6)
Post by: webadict on April 24, 2009, 12:01:27 am
And the votes are tallied up and the small crowd decides to hammer qwertyuiopas! Since the old hammerer is dead, Pandarsenic takes to the block. It takes the unpracticed hammerer 10 hammerstrokes to kill him.

A quick rummaging of his pockets finds a pocketbook full of intelligent phrases by Urist Locke and Cog Hobbes. He must be the Philosopher!


It is now Night.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Night 6)
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2009, 12:55:14 am
Night had fallen, filling in the corners and spaces with darkness. A surgeon, child, and a guard all sit in a small room, looking through many small documents.

“It has to be him! Flintus10 is the Druid!” exclaims the guard, Zaithemaster. “It all makes perfect sense!”
“Now now,” replies Pandarsenic, the surgeon, “There are laws that must be followed. We must hammer him, under the Noble's laws, lest we be hammered oursel—”
“There's no hammerer LEFT!” he yelled back, crossing the room. “I can kill him right now!” smashing his fist into the wall.
“He's not a simple Elf,” said the smallest one, a charismatic child by the name of Karlito. “He's the Druid. He killed our Hammerer in a fight. Do you really think one man can kill him?”

Suddenly, a lone, cloaked figure emerged from the shadows, holding a long knife that glowed in the lantern light.

“No,” replied the figure, “I do not.”

He lunged across the room, aiming for the small child. Pandarsenic pushes him out of the way, ducking below the table. The figure slashed, making a small gash in Karlito's forehead. He landed and turned again, pouncing to attack. A spear blocked the knife.

“Reveal yourself, Druid! Show your face, Flintus10!” Zaithemaster shouted, holding back the attacker.
A chuckle came from the figure, removing his hood to reveal Flintus10.
“It still won't help you kill me.”

He threw the knife at Zaithemaster, hitting him in the arm! The spear blocking the Druid falls. Flintus10 pulls out another knife, this time smaller, and attacks again! Pandarsenic covers Karlito, waiting for an attack...

Zaithemaster acts fast, raising his spear and catching the hood, holding the Druid back with all the strength he could muster in his right arm. The Druid grabs the spear, shoving it into the Guard's stomach. Pandarsenic manages to escape out the door, with Karlito in tow, blocking the door behind him. Flintus10 pounds on the door, then turns on Zaithemaster. He picks up the spear on the floor, bashing Zaithemaster in the face with the blunt side, then stabbing it through his foot.

Flintus10 then stabs Zaithemaster into the stomach. He doubles over in pain. Flintus10 turns to leave, only to feel a sharp pain in his back. He falls to the floor, the knife in Zaithemaster's arm now in the Druid's back. The Guard painfully removes the spear from his foot, using it as a walking stick to Flintus10. He holds the spear up...

Flintus10 swiftly uses his leg to shove the knife upward and inward Zaithemaster's chest. He dies, falling forward, and, unable to crawl, impales the Druid in the neck, killing him.

And so, the Elves treacherous plot had failed.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2009, 12:56:51 am
Sorry about the lateness of this day. I was busy. However, I did save all the information for the round!

Inaluct         Peasant
Squeegy      Ambusher
Mephansteras      Duke
Cheeetar      Royal Guard [Lover]
Karlito         Child
A_Fey_Dwarf      Peasant
Alexhans      Sheriff [Grudged]
penguinofhonor   Sly Elf
Org         Hunter
Flintus10      Druid
Archangel      Hammerer
Pandarsenic      Surgeon
Solifuge      Covert Elf
Zaithemaster      Fortress Guard [Grudged]
qwertyuiopas      Philosopher
LASD       Woodcrafter [Friendly] [Lover]
chaoticjosh      Woodcrafter [Friendly] [Cowardly Civilian]

Day 1
Karlito checks Cheeetar
No Lynch

Night 1
Archangel hammers Squeegy
Pandarsenic guards chaoticjosh
Cheeetar protects LASD
Alexhans racevestigates Zaithemaster
Zaithemaster protects Solifuge
Flintus10 kills inaluct

Day 2
Karlito checks Alexhans
chaoticjosh Lynched

Night 2
Cheeetar protects Alexhans
Archangel hammers (axes) Cheeetar
Org tracks Cheeetar
Alexhans rolevestigates Karlito
Zaithemaster protects Solifuge
Pandarsenic guards Mephansteras
penguinofhonor kills Cheeetar

Day 3
Cheeetar Lynched

Night 3
Org tracks Zaithemaster
penguinofhonor kills Alexhans
Zaithemaster protects Org
qwertyuiopas heals Org
Karlito checks Solifuge
LASD suicides

Day 4
Karlito checks Mephansteras
Mephansteras saves Karlito
Solifuge lynched

Night 4
Archangel kills Org
Zaithemaster protects Karlito
Pandarsenic protects Karlito
qwertyuiopas protects Karlito
Org tracks Karlito
penguinofhonor kills Mephansteras

Day 5
Karlito checks Pandarsenic
penguinofhonor lynched

Night 5
Flintus10 kills Archangel
qwertyuiopas protects Karlito
Zaithemaster protects Karlito
Pandarsenic protects Zaithemaster

Day 6
Karlito checks A_Fey_Dwarf
qwertyuiopas lynched

Night 6
Zaithemaster protects Karlito
Pandarsenic protects Karlito
Flintus10 kills Karlito

Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2009, 01:02:12 am
I never saved a single person!

On the other hand, I never guarded a single elf.

Hmm.

I'm surprised we did so well with so many bad hits and scans earlier. :|

Meph saved our sorry asses.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 29, 2009, 01:05:52 am
Ha, I wasn't friendly... Well that's surprising.

I feel i should take some credit for our victory, I managed to start a vote against two of the elves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2009, 01:07:22 am
I never saved a single person!

On the other hand, I never guarded a single elf.

Hmm.

I'm surprised we did so well with so many bad hits and scans earlier. :|

Meph saved our sorry asses.
Oh, by the way, Solifuge is granted MVP award for this game, and is invited to join any and all Dwarf Fortress Mafias henceforth.

I can't believe he did what he did. He lucked out that Mephansteras was the one to be checked... And Meph was lucky to pick the first person.

Ha, I wasn't friendly... Well that's surprising.
Yeah. Nice thinking guys.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Solifuge on April 29, 2009, 01:09:52 am
That was an epic end to an epic game. Kudos to everyone, and to Webadict for that.

I'm still rather proud of Day 3... Karlito, you have no idea how exhausting it was to lie that much, refute your arguments, and keep track of everything I'd said to make sure I wasn't contradicting myself... Lying is hard work. ;D

I still find it a bit funny that, on the one game where Flintus' curse didnt get him killed on the first turn, he turned out to be the Druid. Also, even if at a coin flip, Meph's choice of who to save from a lynch ended up saving you guys' collective bacon. Too bad that the "No Lynch" votes didn't count after Karlito was Lynch-Saved... I was hoping for another round of confusion to allow us to nix Karlito in the night.

Either way, at least the web of lies got you guys suspicious enough of Org for Alexhans to do him in. :P

EDIT: I frankly had an extremely lucky chance... due to a few lucky and calculated kills, the Child's communications network was eliminated bit by bit, so that he had no one to back his claims up.

As far as guessing Meph's role, I had a backup plan even if I had guessed his role-hood wrong: I told Meph that he did have a Day-Time Role, and told 3 other players that he Did Not... I was hoping that I'd guess wrong, he'd claim that I said he didn't have a Day-Time Role, when I'd have 3 other people to jump out and "see that he was lying" and "was obviously working with Karlito the Sly Elf"
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2009, 01:16:57 am
Solifuge, you were AMAZING this game.

Also, in Ridiculous Mafia Flintus10 survived his curse because of inaluct.

He ended up being killed in chaoticjosh's Rampage. XD
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2009, 01:41:37 am
Solifuge, you were AMAZING this game.

Also, in Ridiculous Mafia Flintus10 survived his curse because of inaluct.

He ended up being killed in chaoticjosh's Rampage. XD
You have no idea how badly I wanted Solifuge to win that argument. I felt so bad when Mephansteras had chosen to save Karlito (Which happened during the second day of the Day Phase, so there wasn't anything you could do).

I was hoping... But, alas, there was no way after that.

Still, MVP. Also, no one ever thought to kill the hammerer before. I mean, come on. Although, he has the tendency to kill pro-Town people instead of Elves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2009, 01:45:46 am
Haha, I think the hammering of civvies is usually why he gets to live.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 29, 2009, 01:46:20 am
I'm very sorry that ChaoticJosh was lynched, but I thought there wouldn't be more than one woodcrafter.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 29, 2009, 02:32:22 am
Well, I feel the game was still unbalanced towards the dwarves. I can't imagine how hard it would have been for the 3 players to survive enough rounds to kill 14 non elves, all the while the non elves building up a larger support base. Really that game wasn't even close. It would have required at least 3 more night phases for Flintus to kill everybody else.
To maybe balance this I suggest giving the elves an extra player next round (if we get 15+ players again). Or if we keep it at 3, maybe give the elves a bowman who can make one kill during the day. This day kill should be limited to a one use. This might tip it to far in favor of the elves though...  As the bowman could kill a lead role as soon as it was posted.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2009, 02:36:05 am
The balance is off, I would agree.

I can't even say whether it's as bad or worse than the 3 War Vet round of Paranormal Mafia. <_<;
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 29, 2009, 05:48:28 am
Ha, I really enjoyed this game, even though I was mistakenly steamrolled by a town base conspiracy/misunderstanding thingamajig.

But, I have a question, since Flintus was the druid,

Elf Druid – This is the leader of those treacherous Elves. He is immune to being killed at night and when he is lynched, he converts a random voter. He also appears as a noble.

Shouldn't he have converted a dwarf to the elven side, and made an dwarf traitor, thereby lengthening the game?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 29, 2009, 06:53:15 am
I don't think his death counts as a lynch, the way it happened.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 29, 2009, 06:56:31 am
Oh yeah, it was a nightkill, my bad!

Anyway, I didn't even know I was friendly. Guess my role wasn't as bad as I thought.

Do you plan on making another DF mafia WA?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Flintus10 on April 29, 2009, 08:31:02 am
Great game though once Solifuge was done we were done, easily the best elf of the three.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Mephansteras on April 29, 2009, 08:31:49 am
That was a lot of fun! And I feel like pointing out that every time I'm the Duke in this game the Dwarves win. :P

My guess of Karlito was pretty lucky. I was only about 60% sure that Karlito was the real child, but in all honesty it came down to the fact that Solifuge was TOO good. It just seemed like he was worked way too hard at convincing us that he was the child.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2009, 09:09:04 am
That was a lot of fun! And I feel like pointing out that every time I'm the Duke in this game the Dwarves win. :P

My guess of Karlito was pretty lucky. I was only about 60% sure that Karlito was the real child, but in all honesty it came down to the fact that Solifuge was TOO good. It just seemed like he was worked way too hard at convincing us that he was the child.

Well, the Child wanted the town to win too...

Oh yeah, it was a nightkill, my bad!

Anyway, I didn't even know I was friendly. Guess my role wasn't as bad as I thought.

Do you plan on making another DF mafia WA?
Possibly. I'd need some more balancing, I suppose. The Elves do need to get extremely lucky to win.

And yeah. He got killed by Zaithemaster. Also, even if he was lynched, Traitors can't win without Elves.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: inaluct on April 29, 2009, 05:52:16 pm
Hmm. Flintus killed me on the first night, after I went out of my way to try and get him to survive in Ridiculous Mafia. What an asshole.

I declare jihad.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2009, 06:57:23 pm
Hmm. Flintus killed me on the first night, after I went out of my way to try and get him to survive in Ridiculous Mafia. What an asshole.

I declare jihad.
Seriously. This is giving a bit away, but I'm about ready to give up on Ridiculous Mafia continuing anyway, but Flintus10 tried to kill you every night of Ridiculous Mafia and that's why he died to Josh.

If inaluct dies, Flintus10 goes next. It's official. What does he have against inaluct anyway?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2009, 07:54:16 pm
I dunno, but inaluct gets killed a lot.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: inaluct on April 29, 2009, 07:55:55 pm
I'm irresistible.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2009, 07:56:07 pm
Yes.

But I've never seen Flintus10 try to kill ANY other person.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 29, 2009, 07:59:24 pm
You are the candy to Flintus' sweet tooth, Inaluct.

We now know Flintus' weakness.

Not that we needed his weakness anyhow.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Karlito on April 29, 2009, 10:01:11 pm
That was an epic end to an epic game. Kudos to everyone, and to Webadict for that.

I'm still rather proud of Day 3... Karlito, you have no idea how exhausting it was to lie that much, refute your arguments, and keep track of everything I'd said to make sure I wasn't contradicting myself... Lying is hard work. ;D

You were exhausted?  Do you know how much time I spent sitting in the tub or lying awake at night going over your posts in my head, trying to find some chink in your story?  This game was literally the only thing in my life for like 3 whole days.

I'm still a bit hazy on your plan, though.  Was it really your intention to become the child from the start just to throw people off?  Would you have roleclaimed child on Day 3 even if I didn't accuse you?

And Webadict, I thought the Druid couldn't be night-killed.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2009, 10:05:16 pm
That was an epic end to an epic game. Kudos to everyone, and to Webadict for that.

I'm still rather proud of Day 3... Karlito, you have no idea how exhausting it was to lie that much, refute your arguments, and keep track of everything I'd said to make sure I wasn't contradicting myself... Lying is hard work. ;D

You were exhausted?  Do you know how much time I spent sitting in the tub or lying awake at night going over your posts in my head, trying to find some chink in your story?  This game was literally the only thing in my life for like 3 whole days.

I'm still a bit hazy on your plan, though.  Was it really your intention to become the child from the start just to throw people off?  Would you have roleclaimed child on Day 3 even if I didn't accuse you?

And Webadict, I thought the Druid couldn't be night-killed.
He can't but it only applies to the Hammerer.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 29, 2009, 10:29:56 pm
Yeah, Flintius was going to kill you instead of Archangel that one night but we discovered that guards can kill druids.

Also, Solifuge and Karlito, you two are awesome.

And I think it was my idea to kill you, Inaluct.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: inaluct on April 29, 2009, 10:34:10 pm
Why? D:
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 29, 2009, 10:44:54 pm
Not sure. You were being too smart or something.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Solifuge on April 30, 2009, 12:25:10 am
...
I'm still a bit hazy on your plan, though.  Was it really your intention to become the child from the start just to throw people off?  Would you have roleclaimed child on Day 3 even if I didn't accuse you?

Not knowing that one Child was guaranteed per game, I passed the idea around to the other elves, and started laying the groundwork for the plot early on, hoping that there wasn't a real Child. Once I heard Alexhans start to mention the child though, I had second thoughts.

I first made a mad stab that he was bluffing, and sent him a PM that I was "concerned about his child-contact claim", meaning to imply that I was the Child, and either call his bluff, or perhaps cast doubt about his contact if it was real... but once I realized that it didn't work (I didn't anticipate the circle of trust you guys had built) I pushed for us to night-kill Alexhans instead, so he wouldn't get too much word out on my bluff.

As for the public role-claim on Day 3, it was never my final plan, but came about due to the happy accident of all your contacts being dead. It was a desperate gambit, and most of what I said was fabricated on the fly. I was extremely glad that I'd laid some groundwork for a false child-claim, since I had Org to call on to "back me up"... the added bonus being that every townie whose trust I'd gained would immediately be suspected elves... so whether it worked or not, it was largely a win-win situation for the elves.

The ideal plan was to get you lynched during the day, to get Alexhans the Hammerer killed by the Druid in the night (since he'd be immune to being taken down with him), and then hope that you guys would pick apart my contacts, and then each other.

But yeah, long story short, most of it ended up being a fly-by-night... I'm still a bit surprised that my story even held water. Nevertheless, you were a truly excellent opponent, Karlito, and I hope that next time we're on the same side.  ;)
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Archangel on April 30, 2009, 03:39:02 am
...Alexhans the Hammerer...
Alexhans was the Sheriff. I was the Hammerer.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Flintus10 on April 30, 2009, 04:08:57 am
Hey yeah the only reason I tried to kill inacult continuosly on ridiculous mafia was...well there was a reason. And this game it wasn't even my suggestion so call off yer jihad  :P
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 30, 2009, 04:41:27 am
o_O

PM me the reason for Ridiculous Mafia? I'm curious now.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Solifuge on April 30, 2009, 12:42:18 pm
...Alexhans the Hammerer...
Alexhans was the Sheriff. I was the Hammerer.

Typo on my part. Archangel and Alexhans reversed themselves in my mind.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Alexhans on May 09, 2009, 12:53:29 am
Catching up with everything I left behind...

WOW! Best mafia game in bay12games EVER!!!

247 is the best post ever... the fake quote was so good that I almost had to check in my inbox to see wether I had sent it.

276
Quote
LASD was never my scan target. Remember that we also had the Sheriff on our side, Alexhans. You obviously don't know how we got our information... you only know what we shared with you.

Also, funny that you spring this the moment I send my scan results to Mephansteres. I found a way to prove both my innocence, and whether or not Meph is an Elf. The ball, however, is now in Meph's court, and I await his response.
GREAT ANSWER DUDE!  I had thought about it too.

284: Karlito is Sherlock Holmes.

314: Dude... Solifuge Rules...!!!

321: What's with the description voting...? First panda, now qwerty.

325: pretty good but it took you too long...

328:  GREAT POINT!!!!!
Quote
And Solifuge, why would Alexhans trust you with his scan data, when he had not verified you?

334: The detective Karlito nails it!!

P:... Solifuge.
A: Ok. no lynch
P:Are you sure no lynch is a good idea at this point?
A:No, but the person you voted for is dead.

380: A_Fey_Dwarf  is right again! :)

383
P:Our ambushers and hunters need to start working harder. We can't make it on only the child.
A:It's possible I accidentally killed them all...

If I have, oops  :(

Quote from: Solifuge
I still find it a bit funny that, on the one game where Flintus' curse didnt get him killed on the first turn, he turned out to be the Druid.
New Rule: If flintus is alive on day 2 he is definetly scum ;)
Quote
As far as guessing Meph's role, I had a backup plan even if I had guessed his role-hood wrong: I told Meph that he did have a Day-Time Role, and told 3 other players that he Did Not... I was hoping that I'd guess wrong, he'd claim that I said he didn't have a Day-Time Role, when I'd have 3 other people to jump out and "see that he was lying" and "was obviously working with Karlito the Sly Elf"
ABSOLUTELY GENIOUS DUDE!!!
Quote
I first made a mad stab that he was bluffing, and sent him a PM that I was "concerned about his child-contact claim", meaning to imply that I was the Child, and either call his bluff, or perhaps cast doubt about his contact if it was real... but once I realized that it didn't work (I didn't anticipate the circle of trust you guys had built) I pushed for us to night-kill Alexhans instead, so he wouldn't get too much word out on my bluff.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on May 09, 2009, 08:17:43 am
Yes, this is definitely one of the greater games I've hosted. Solifuge did a magnificent job, and I then Mephansteras uses his Duke powers... I felt bad.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Org on May 09, 2009, 08:23:38 am
why did you kill me Archangel?
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on May 09, 2009, 08:26:16 am
why did you kill me Archangel?
One of the Mafia told him to.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Org on May 09, 2009, 08:30:26 am
.....DIDNT I ROLECLAIM!
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Karlito on May 09, 2009, 09:20:55 am
Actually I told him to kill you, since you seemed  pretty scummy.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on May 09, 2009, 09:23:47 am
Actually I told him to kill you, since you seemed  pretty scummy.
Oh, right. Someone told him to do it.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Archangel on May 10, 2009, 03:47:25 am
why did you kill me Archangel?
Actually I told him to kill you, since you seemed  pretty scummy.
I asked him and he said to kill you because of the events of the day.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Solifuge on May 10, 2009, 08:58:19 pm
Sorry for casting suspicion on you by association Org, but I needed to make my eventually certain death do some good for my team. :P
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Karlito on May 10, 2009, 10:08:32 pm
Sorry for casting suspicion on you by association Org, but I needed to make my eventually certain death do some good for my team. :P
Yes, well you also had me practically convinced Archangel was an elf.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Org on May 11, 2009, 06:15:58 am
But I claimed half way through!

Although the only people who would be able to prove it were dead...
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: webadict on May 11, 2009, 07:21:45 am
Sometimes you can't do anything Org. Sometimes it's like that.
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Org on May 11, 2009, 03:27:04 pm
Sometimes you can't do anything Org. Sometimes it's like that.
Yeah...
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: Alexhans on May 11, 2009, 03:33:18 pm
For example... When you lynched me in alien mafia as a claimed vig!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: DF Mafia Round 3 (Dwarves Win)
Post by: JoshuaFH on May 11, 2009, 03:40:02 pm
For example... When you lynched me in alien mafia as a claimed vig!!!!  >:(

Which was all my doing! MUWAHAHAHA!

Conversely, when I roleclaimed woodcrafter in the third DF mafia, and I wasn't aware that some sort of conspiracy was forming and I got caught under the wheels when people misunderstood the rules.