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Title: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Vaiolis on March 26, 2009, 09:32:51 pm
I've heard from a few sources that there is some sort of virus called the "Conficker Worm" (also Downadup) that has millions of computers infected. And apparently it is supposed to do something (bad I'm guessing) on April 1st. I've no idea how wide-spread this virus is, but I suggest that nobody turn on/have on their computer at this date. It's only affecting windows luckily, but as I'm not positive, perhaps all platforms should be wary. I just learned myself that it has been around for quite a while, but April 1st is said to be the date it does... whatever it is told to. Microsoft put $250,000 USD into trying to find this virus, and many companies are planning on turning off their computers for that day.

Now, I'm fairly skeptical with all this, but as far as I can tell, keeping a computer off for a day is far better than having who-knows-what occur. So, I suggest everyone do so, and please spread this message to anyone else who may not know about it.

If everyone here pretty much took this information as common knowledge, I apologize for my naivete. And for those who don't believe me, search for it on google or something.

As an edit, http://www.bdtools.net/ offers a tool to remove all versions of the worm. Using this might not be a bad idea either, but I haven't tried it, and have absolutely no idea if it is safe. Sounds safe enough though.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 26, 2009, 10:39:04 pm
Here (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10204590-83.html)'s an article on it. Look stuff up, Vaiolis.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Vaiolis on March 26, 2009, 11:16:26 pm
Sorry, I didn't think I needed to place all that much into this. Just wanted to alert those who might not be aware of it to its existence is all. And with how fast internet rumors can go these days, I dislike stating much as fact.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Yanlin on March 27, 2009, 02:41:15 am
Why turn them off? Why couldn't I simply disconnect my connection to the internet for a day?
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: IndonesiaWarMinister on March 27, 2009, 08:35:19 am
Why turn them off? Why couldn't I simply disconnect my connection to the internet for a day?

Because that you may already had your computers infected, and when it can't connect to teh intertube, it wipes out your HDD.

OMG... Do I need to set up a virtual machine, just in case?
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 27, 2009, 11:56:50 am
April 1st you say? I'd be surprised if it just popped up a humorous joke.

If it's more malicious, than I'd reckon that's pretty close to terrorism.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Fishersalwaysdie on March 27, 2009, 02:44:10 pm
Conficker Worm? More like (http://i1.fc-img.com/CTV02/Comcast_CIM_Prod_Fancast_Image/23/260/1227621865373_10ConquerorWorm_mif_640_320.jpg)
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: woose1 on March 27, 2009, 02:48:41 pm
Oh fisher, you dog.
And: April 1st? Evil worm virus?
I'm not shutting off my rig.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Strife26 on March 27, 2009, 08:40:43 pm
I'll take my risks to be on these boards then.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Alexhans on March 27, 2009, 08:48:47 pm
I had it at work... a partner lent me his pendrive and bam! once inside hard to get it out.

I believe the reward is like 500.000 us$ now...

The impressive thing about the virus is that it seems to be unable to be removed with any of the common Antivirus tools and prevents from downloading Microsoft's repairing services. 

I detect it every time with AVG... Move it to the vault. Delete it.  Whatever.... But each time I turn my computer on again I run a scan upon startup and there it is...
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: soup_alex on March 27, 2009, 11:21:39 pm
Conficker Worm? More like (http://i1.fc-img.com/CTV02/Comcast_CIM_Prod_Fancast_Image/23/260/1227621865373_10ConquerorWorm_mif_640_320.jpg)
Love.

I hope nobody minds me quoting this here, in my mind there's no such thing as too much Price (ahem, the Price is never too high ;D)
Oh, and you know in non-America (or at least, in the UK), this film was released as "Witchfinder General". I have to say that I much prefer this title; besides, Poe = nothing at all to do with this film.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: qwertyuiopas on March 28, 2009, 06:53:46 am
If windows can't delete it, try with linux, check msconfig, that kind of stuff.

It could be loading through settings that can be changed in msconfig, and deleting it through linux or the windows recovery console(can be accessed through the install disk somehow) would not give it tile to recreate itself.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Cogsmith on March 28, 2009, 12:41:11 pm
Not worried. Hell I'm not even turning off my 'net on the first.

Looking at the link put up by penguinofhonor it's obvious that the person(s) coding this is either a professional who has training or a complete out-of-the-blue savant. Regardless, for them to be able to just constantly top security measures like that it's obvious they have some pretty decent support. Which costs money. Which means either they're willing to take a pretty big financial hit, OR this a money making scheme.

If it is a money making scheme then they almost certainly DON'T want to break the system, since it's what they're stealing money from. In general I would just avoid using paypal, checking your bank statements online anything like that. I expect either a truly MASSIVE wave of spam, or out-of-the-loop people's money to go unexpectedly missing.
However for people who have heard of this I expect to experience a big lot of nothing, and a royal pain in the ass removing the thing. Hell if they're clever or real smartasses the virus will uninstall/delete itself when they're done(actually a good idea. Since the encryption method they're using right now is difficult to break it's actually smart for them to cause everything to go
"poof" so no one has time to properly break it, hence it can be used again later)
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: woose1 on March 28, 2009, 01:51:54 pm
a truly MASSIVE wave of spam,
'Spam', is a nonpolar completely un-crystalized solid. It cannot acheive the form of a liquid except through very high temperatures.
So, by saying that we will be hit by a 'wave' of spam, you are saying, figuratively of course, that we will be doused with molten liquidated meat products.

Of course if it was just a method of speech, I can understand.
 :P
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Little on March 28, 2009, 04:34:19 pm
Does Norton detect this?
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: FoboslC on March 28, 2009, 06:38:48 pm
Nope. Are You kidding me, all AV's suck cocks.
You cant do shit against properly crypted virus.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: qwertyuiopas on March 28, 2009, 10:26:21 pm
On the other hand, it must run to decrypt to become a virus.
I quit using java(as an IE add-on)  after seeing that it could be used for a powerful online virus scanner that may have had the power to delete viruses...

One less way it could run without me knowing, right?
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: PTTG?? on March 30, 2009, 11:28:43 am
a truly MASSIVE wave of spam,
'Spam', is a nonpolar completely un-crystalized solid. It cannot achieve the form of a liquid except through very high temperatures.
So, by saying that we will be hit by a 'wave' of spam, you are saying, figuratively of course, that we will be doused with molten liquidated meat products....
In an oxygen-free kiln, or else it would combust.
That sounds downright dwarven!
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: 612DwarfAvenue on March 31, 2009, 03:59:38 am
a truly MASSIVE wave of spam,
'Spam', is a nonpolar completely un-crystalized solid. It cannot achieve the form of a liquid except through very high temperatures.
So, by saying that we will be hit by a 'wave' of spam, you are saying, figuratively of course, that we will be doused with molten liquidated meat products....
In an oxygen-free kiln, or else it would combust.
That sounds downright dwarven!

Oh god, that's given me ideas for Gobbo killing. Death by meat that's on fire anyone?
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 04, 2009, 02:36:47 pm
Well, this worm did absolutely nothing to me. Did anyone else notice anything?
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Zai on April 04, 2009, 02:45:06 pm
Nope. Nadda.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 02:47:17 pm
This hit my school. At least, thats what everyine says. Interwebs was down for 3-4 hours.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: kotekzot on April 04, 2009, 03:42:43 pm
This hit my school. At least, thats what everyine says. Interwebs was down for 3-4 hours.
whoever manages your network should get a biscuit that menaces with spikes of unemployment.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 03:43:13 pm
Yes. And rings of failure
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Awayfarer on April 04, 2009, 03:50:47 pm
Well, this worm did absolutely nothing to me.

Thats how you know your computer's been infected. It's that subtle.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Org on April 04, 2009, 03:55:59 pm
Then you find out all your money is gone.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Kagus on April 04, 2009, 05:13:40 pm
Drops gave an announcement about this at school.  I promptly forgot about it and carried about my business as usual.

Nothing happened. 
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Strife26 on April 04, 2009, 06:24:32 pm
Nothing happened to me, mind you my computer's acting funny. One of the banner ads on I can has Cheesburger pulled my sisters myspace picture. So I told her not to connect to the internet till I run some anti-spyware stuff (I never turned norton back on, did I?)

She turned the computer off and killed a pair of VERY detail DFPaint maps. My computer is now password protected with my Bay 12 password.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 04, 2009, 06:54:34 pm
http://vmyths.com/ (http://vmyths.com/)
Apparently not even the anti-virus companies were worried for the past month or more.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Yanlin on April 05, 2009, 01:00:49 pm
Well I'm not getting any of the symptoms. So I guess I'm in the clear.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 10, 2009, 05:42:37 am
My USB has it but not my computer. It's awesome, I have a sort of weapon of terror on my portable flash disk. The power is getting to me, I am sure of it.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Tormy on April 10, 2009, 07:27:42 am
Does Norton detect this?

Norton is far from being perfect, you should use Kaspersky.  ;)
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: FoboslC on April 10, 2009, 07:29:40 am
Kaspersky is far from perfect either. In fact, no AV can do anything against properly crypted virus.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 10, 2009, 08:06:43 am
Actually, self-modifying code can be detected(as it must specifically tell the computer not to segfault when it edits itself) and programs that modify other processes also must go through a standard detectable method.

The area where an AV program would have issues is when a program creates an .exe then runs it.

Maybe the best would be to block, or at ask the user to allow or halt, creation of executables, other-process editing, .exe editing, and self-editing. Additionally, block access to all system files areas and disallow a program automatically adding itself to startup...

Then you would be relatively safe. Mostly.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: PTTG?? on April 10, 2009, 10:45:52 am
Bah! People think computers are the same thing as a desk; that is, permanent.

The best system is really simple and cheap; Just have data on one hard drive, back it up weekly, and every 6 months reformat the application drive.

Keep all your installers on the other drive so you don't have to find them.
Tadaaaaaa!

I use this system at work for software testing because my systems need to be "clean", no floating partially installed programs and what what.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: DJ on April 10, 2009, 01:41:24 pm
http://www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection_test/cfeyechart.html
Click the link to see if you've got Conficker.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Greiger on April 12, 2009, 09:49:27 am
Wow that's such an amazingly simple test, yet it would be so incredibly effective.  I can't belive I didn't think of that.

(for those too paranoid to click the link it's just a bunch of links to anti virus sites, and alternate os sites with images from each link.  If the antivirus site images don't show up but the os ones do, confiker is blocking them. So simple yet effective.)

Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: PTTG?? on April 12, 2009, 11:44:25 am
Not sure if it's working right, though. My dad's machine seems to be infected but it can see all the images. Of course, there could be proxies involved that I'm not aware of.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Yanlin on April 12, 2009, 12:59:26 pm
I know for sure I don't have a proxy and I see all the images. Hooray for me.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Ampersand on April 12, 2009, 03:11:25 pm
Such nonsense. Probably the only thing it does is edit the Hosts file to block out the IP addresses it doesn't want you looking at. Changing the hosts file so that you can go to a legitimate anti-virus website to clean out the virus is trivial.
Title: Re: A Warning To All! - The Conficker Worm
Post by: Yanlin on April 12, 2009, 04:16:43 pm
If it only did that, it would be easily taken care of.