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Other Projects => Other Games => Topic started by: Creamcorn on May 19, 2009, 08:37:44 pm
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A little SS
Let me start off by saying that I didn't grow up on ASCII, instead I grew up to love it. How this oh so wonderful addiction to depicting dragons, elves or dwarfs with a simple character developed was by my simple act of downloading a game called ADOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADOM).
I started playing ADOM at, oh... the age of nine. And while I continued to dive deeper into the dungeons of ADOM, doing so made my mind become fascinated with the idea of how a 'W' could represent a shadow wyrm; the fascination only deepened when I read the detailed descriptions given to me by examining the creatures of ADOM.
In short my fascination with ASCII is not necessarily the elitism [sarcasm]of knowing that my mind is more imaginative than most people[/sarcasm]. It is that most or all that is given to me in ASCII games develops as I progress along.
And even though it's just ASCII I've yet to see a machine represent images of anything better than a human's mind or perhaps any other creature for that matter.
If ASCII does give way to what most people term as real graphics, than I hope that there is at least some hope for middle ground to ASCII lovers.
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And you should note that ADOM is one of the most static roguelikes... A lot of things are ALWAYS the same...
DF is just Incredible... It's world creating algorithms are FAN TAS TIC.
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I dream letters.
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Again, like always when we bring up graphics, DF has the best ascii system I have ever seen. Walls look like walls. Items look like their respective items. Doors look like doors.
Of course, I never really accepted the whole # is a wall system. And the whole /'s and -'s as doors things.Or the repetitious level generation system that results in a bunch of rooms with halls connecting them.
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I believe part of the problem lies in that alot of the Rogue-likes simply copy each other in terms of UI and what each character stands for. While some like g or D make sense, others... do not.
Df seems to use obscure characters that even I've never seen, highlighting, and other aspects ignored by most RLs. It even uses colors and similar characters (~ and the double ~ for instance) to provide animation.
Even so, I played a RL long ago, on a AMD K6-2 system, which used all of that and more. It was more colorful and vibrant a world than most games made in the 1980's for PC's. Sadly, I can't recall the name, and my searching has failed to find it again. I may have it on a floppy, but I've not taken the time to dig through the last box of disks I have.
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You should expand your post into a full-length article, then try to get featured in some semi-major gaming website as a spot for DF. But don't trust me, I use the Mayday set.
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ADOM sucks.
I just needed to say that.
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ADOM sucks.
I just needed to say that.
You have insulted my honour sir. I must challenge you to a duel.
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ADOM sucks.
I just needed to say that.
You have insulted my honour sir. I must challenge you to a duel.
"You dare sully your honor by defending this harlot!?"
Inaluct slaps ADOM and paces towards kinseti.
"I accept your challenge, sir! It is unfitting of a gentleman to take up the cause of such a vile roguelike, but I accept your challenge nonetheless!"
No, seriously. ADOM sucks ass. It has crap controls, stupid, unoriginal races and classes, everything follows the static and retarded story line that's the same in every game, it's closed source, caters to babies who can't play Crawl, and it follows an uninspired religion system. You just get a race and alignment and BAM, you worship Coral Midnightflowers, or whatever gay elf deities there are. In Crawl, you get to pick your own god, and the gods are all unique and useful. I would like to eat your children. And also, ADOM has terrible logic. You can use a fletchery kit to make arrows, but you need wood. How do you get it? Chop down a tree or kick down a door, or use a club. Wow. It's like the guy who made ADOM lived in a tiny hut and had never seen a tree or heard about branches before. And 30% of the races in ADOM are elves. Very nearly one entire third of character races are elves. That is one of the most solidly retarded ideas ever. Elves suck. In Crawl you would need EIGHT flavors of elf to have them be 30% of the races. And the skill system in ADOM is bland, illogical, stupid, and unimaginative. In Crawl, you learn skills by practicing them. In ADOM, you clumsily add points to irrelevant skills every time you level up. Some of the skills, like bridge building, are only learnable through certain static events. It's almost as if Biskup was trying to make some sort of Final Fantasy clone.
And you know what else? ADOM is gay.
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Ah, off topic ramblings at dusk. A gentlemens duel.
First, let me remind you that ADOM and I have been an item since Crawl was still suckling at her programmers teat. Clearly your love for Crawl has clouded your judgment, as why the hell are we talking about Crawl anyway? I will concede ADOM has too many elves. One elf is too many. And nobody plays a rougelike for the story. Honestly. Moving on. ADOM has detailed character creation, lots of directions for character development, massive randomly generated dungeons, vast amounts of loot, fairly simple combat, dynamic encounter scaling, brutal difficulty, 20 goddamn classes...you know, things that good roguelikes have? The overworld isn't randomly generated but at least it has one...Anyway, I think you were trying to say "I wuv Crawl" but instead you said "ADOM sucks."
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Crawl first came out in 1997. And yes, I wuv it. It has just as much history as ADOM. And you know what else Crawl has? Simple, dynamic character creation that allows you to quickly tailor a character to your playstyle, a large dungeon with great item persistence, many unique and interesting dungeon branches, vaster amounts of loot than ADOM, higher difficulty than ADOM, and 28 classes. Soon to be 29. Because development hasn't stalled for Crawl.
When was the last time Biskup updated ADOM? 2002, right?
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play Crawl, In Crawl, In Crawl, In Crawl Crawl first Crawl for Crawl.
You forgot Crawl.
Isn't this a deductive fallacy or something? Crawl is good, ADOM is not crawl, therefore ADOM is not good?
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I love ADOM. It is fun. That's all that matters. I don't care if it has 20 variants of elves, or is unrealistic.. it's still fun. It has a great deal of depth, enough to make me want to play it over and over again, and enjoy the deaths. And it's a lot for something that only one person made in a short amount of time. It is fun, and it is fun to play over and over and over again, which is what a roguelike should be.
I think I've tried Crawl once, but got bored after 2 hours. You just have to play roguelikes for a while to really enjoy them.
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Well, my first roguelike was ADOM. I was convinced that it was the King of Roguelikes, towering over all others. I even made a bunch of games dedicated to killing children until one of them finally spawned a corpse, just to see if it was possible.
And then, I gradually drifted away from it. Eventually, I started playing Crawl. I came back to ADOM not too long ago and realized that it wasn't nearly as good as my nostalgic memories had led me to believe. It had a bad user interface, the world seemed arbitrary and poorly thought out (I blame this on Biskup not taking enough input from players), and it's gameplay was lacking.
At that point, I thought "Hey, well, this was just one guy doing all this. As far as one man devteams go, Biskup is pretty damn good."
And then I found DF, and realized that as far as one man devteams go, Biskup is pretty damn mediocre.
For me, ADOM isn't fun at all any more.
It's late here. I'll post a longer and more pointless diatribe later.
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Games are not objectively good or bad.
(And ADOM is awesome! :P)
Biskup is pretty damn mediocre.
Toady is insanely productive. ADOM was never Thomas's full time job, as far as recall. I do wish Biskup would just release the source and admit he isn't going to work on it any further. There are bugs still in it, and it hasn't been updated in seven years. He did mention the possibility of an iPhone port at some point, but I'll believe it when I see it.
What I've played of Crawl I've enjoyed, but I haven't really sat down with it, which I shall have to remedy.
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And then I found DF, and realized that as far as one man devteams go, Biskup is pretty damn mediocre.
Lol, WTH, man? Toady One is a frigging deity. It takes a LOT of math skills to pull off an advanced game, and I bet no game designer in the world, not even the professional ones, have the math skills of the great Toady One.
Comparing Biskup to Toady One is like comparing well, like, some MIT scientist to Einstein.
And yes, all the games back then were arbitrary and poorly thought out. Game design was practically a joke till around 2004, most games back then.. Duke Nukem, Fallout, Wizardry, AD&D, Command & Conquer, etc, etc had no consistency, and games today were built upon their mistakes.
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Moving back on topic, I agree. Toady's use of ASCII to display things is quite impressive. Just look at all the furniture, like chests and coffers. They actually sort of look like the real thing.
The thing that impresses me most is how gory this is for an ASCII game. Toady really didn't shy away from any gruesome details.
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The thing that impresses me most is how gory this is for an ASCII game. Toady really didn't shy away from any gruesome details.
I second that. A bunch of tiles with red background which appear after you slash an enemy REALLY make you fill the blood spraying from the wound. Not to mention rivers of blood...
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ADOM sucks.
I just needed to say that.
you suck for saying ADOM sucks... :P
It has crap controls,
NO! I find ADOM's controls great.
it's closed source
Wich is totally up to the author.
Crawl
I haven't played crawl much but it's (as far as I've seen) FIght, fight, fight... I appreciate storylines...
And you know what else? ADOM is gay.
And your point is?
The way ADOM handles weapons is excellent IMO.
When was the last time Biskup updated ADOM? 2002, right?
This shouldn't affect the game on itself... I still love the first buggy LCS versions... Your argument is sinking with you inaluct...
And then I found DF, and realized that as far as one man devteams go, Biskup is pretty damn mediocre.
make a roguelike and we'll talk later... (I tell you this cause I recently started a project -currently on hold- and it's a hard task)
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This thread is now about ADOM. Ever since you derailing bastards got it moved to Other Games :P
I'm pretty sure Toady picked up some ASCII tips from the pros. I like how the grass rustles in the wind, how the blood splatters all over the walls, how it flows down the rivers, the little insects and vermins appearing near the barrels. It's an art.
The walls I think were designed for tilesets. Most roguelikes slap a # for walls, because it's too much effort to make a wall-like structure. DF will probably use tilesets in the future, so it's perfect sense to actually make them look like walls
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Let's stop this discussion on "my Roguelike is better than yours" what matters is that they have the roguelike death rules.
Ignore which of the game is more polished and realize that they are both playable.
Crawl has become more or less a collaborative effort, Thomas was hesitant and now probably too late to have released the source code for ADOM to have it become a better game.
I would provide a link to ADOM (http://www.adom.de/adom/roguelike.php3)'s faq but unfortunatly web squatters have taken control of it.
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ADOM sucks.
I just needed to say that.
It doesn't, but there are much better roguelikes. Just 2 examples: Incursion, T.O.M.E ;)
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ADOM is like D&D or Final Fantasy. It did a lot of things people didn't do before that, but these days, it's old and archaic. Heheh, Ancient Domains of Mystery - archaic. get it?
Yeah, it's overrated, but certainly a classic.
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I've tried so many times, but to date, there is but one ASCII Roguelike that is "playable" to me---why I dunno but I reckon it to be the sense of style it has. Or the lively, animated ASCII...
That being, and one would think there'd be a Crawl/Elona/Incursion sized megathread for it: Triangle Wizard
http://trianglewizard.webs.com/index.htm
Check back in the updates section and read them in chronological order from the start to the other day...talk about an amazing rate of progress.
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ADOM sucks.
I just needed to say that.
It doesn't, but there are much better roguelikes. Just 2 examples: Incursion, T.O.M.E ;)
This.
ADOM is enjoyable... but I don't bother play it anymore.
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That being, and one would think there'd be a Crawl/Elona/Incursion sized megathread for it: Triangle Wizard
http://trianglewizard.webs.com/index.htm
Goddamn! Is that a vector-based roguelike? Downloading.
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You should expand your post into a full-length article, then try to get featured in some semi-major gaming website as a spot for DF. But don't trust me, I use the Mayday set.
Bah, who would listin to me? Especially this early into the topic course at this point it wouldn't hurt to atleast dream of getting there.
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That being, and one would think there'd be a Crawl/Elona/Incursion sized megathread for it: Triangle Wizard
http://trianglewizard.webs.com/index.htm
Goddamn! Is that a vector-based roguelike? Downloading.
Indeed it is! Nifty trailer is nifty too.
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I dream letters.
I dream alphabets, and have nightmares about unicode reletive offsets.
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I dream letters.
I dream alphabets, and have nightmares about unicode reletive offsets.
You too? Von Neumann algebra always freaked me out.
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Goddamn! Is that a vector-based roguelike? Downloading.
This "Triangle Wizard" looks quite, quite interesting. And I think I'll give it a whirl when I abandon my current fortress.
But is it a roguelike? Not in my opinion.
Why? It's realtime. To me, the "unlimited time to think" is a fundamental part of the genre.
(Also, ADOM sucks, and Crawl rules.)
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Goddamn! Is that a vector-based roguelike? Downloading.
This "Triangle Wizard" looks quite, quite interesting. And I think I'll give it a whirl when I abandon my current fortress.
But is it a roguelike? Not in my opinion.
Why? It's realtime. To me, the "unlimited time to think" is a fundamental part of the genre.
(Also, ADOM sucks, and Crawl rules.)
Well, there IS something of a trick there. Any action happening off screen is frozen in time, so like the typical Roguelike adage of "Turn=Stuff happens someplace" with this "Sight=Stuff happens someplace". So, run into an unexpected enemy? Quickly get them off screen and take time to think...nothing can come after you from offscreen.
Meh, Baroque, this, and Dicin' Knight are plenty Roguelike for me. To each his or her own though.
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Whoever says ADOM sucks has never, ever tried to program...
ADOM is AWESOME!!! you might like crawl more but you can't just say ADOM sucks. >:(
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I'll vote for whoever says that sucks.
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I personaly never cared for crawl, as it seemed to be made with no love. ADOM may not be perfect, but thats what I like about it.
and at least its not angband, that game was god-awful.
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Ah jeez, damn humans always so opinionative. Oh well, we wouldn't be very far in our potential if that weren't so but jeeeeeeezuz give it a break, I first intended this topic to be in defense of ASCII not about ADOM.
It was first intended to be on how greatly detailed an ASCII game is!(guess I didn't make that clear)
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ASCII ARE DEATIAL.
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ASCII ARE DEATIAL.
Thank you Mr. Man.
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and at least its not angband, that game was god-awful.
I agree.
Anyway, I like the fact that Crawl was made with no love. It reminds me of my childhood. *sob*
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Im surprised no ones mentioned NetHack yet. Thats the only one ive actually played for any length of time, and its still hilarious.
"You kick the door! It crashes open!"
"You kick the wall! Ouch! ....Your leg feels better now."
"Really eat Fuzzy McKitten, pet? Y/N"
Hmm, i need DF graphics in NetHack...that would make it so much more playable.
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Honestly, Nethack with Crawl's UI would be a dream come true.
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and at least its not angband, that game was god-awful.
I agree.
Well, at least we have some common ground here. Angband variants always make me throw up a little into my mouth when I try them.
Ah jeez, damn humans always so opinionative. Oh well, we wouldn't be very far in our potential if that weren't so but jeeeeeeezuz give it a break, I first intended this topic to be in defense of ASCII not about ADOM.
But...did it need defending in the first place? DF players tend to have an uncommon fondness for ASCII, and acknowledge that Toady did an absolute top-notch job with it...There was no embryonic argument in your first post, so we got sidetracked when one presented itself. It happens.
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Ah jeez, damn humans always so opinionative. Oh well, we wouldn't be very far in our potential if that weren't so but jeeeeeeezuz give it a break, I first intended this topic to be in defense of ASCII not about ADOM.
But...did it need defending in the first place? DF players tend to have an uncommon fondness for ASCII, and acknowledge that Toady did an absolute top-notch job with it...There was no embryonic argument in your first post, so we got sidetracked when one presented itself. It happens.
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Grumble grumble
True, so let's move along now! Since everybody now feels like preaching about rouge likes, than let's talk about how immersed we get with their graphics! I already went, so the floor is open for anybody.
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roguelikes suck.
its really just your imagination that makes it good. otherwise its just a bunch of math and ascii.
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But not having to waste time rendering and drawing gives you more time to design and code the complex stuff that roguelikes have and other games dont. Almost everything goes to gameplay. Instead of 3d animation.
That, I think, is what makes this games so great.
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roguelikes suck.
its really just your imagination that makes it good. otherwise its just a bunch of math and ascii.
What are you talking about?
Math and ASCII are the greatest things in the world.
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Heh, that is what is so awesome about these games; they leave it up to your own imagination. Only giving it a good skeleton to work from, a structure to follow (or not, if you like modding). It's like a book that can warp and change to your will (and warp your will too, often entertaining)!
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Yeah, I just wish rougelikes were more flexible in moster design. My imagination is taking a pounding from the constant thought of kobolds.
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there are sci-fi roguelikes... check the roguelike development megathread.... I think it directs to you to the roguelike basin and other cool places... (also, 7-day-RLs are quite cool too)
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there are sci-fi roguelikes... check the roguelike development megathread.... I think it directs to you to the roguelike basin and other cool places... (also, 7-day-RLs are quite cool too)
Ive played them, Ive played all of them. Or at the least I know all they have to offer.
Im just concerned, why cant anyone make a damn modern day rougelike for once? Or a rougelike without a goal? Just a life simulator or something? Its the one thorn in the perfect roguelike rose.
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This shouldn't affect the game on itself... I still love the first buggy LCS versions... Your argument is sinking with you inaluct...
You have a pre 3.09 version of LCS!?!?! If so, we must see it.
there are sci-fi roguelikes... check the roguelike development megathread.... I think it directs to you to the roguelike basin and other cool places... (also, 7-day-RLs are quite cool too)
Ive played them, Ive played all of them. Or at the least I know all they have to offer.
Im just concerned, why cant anyone make a damn modern day rougelike for once? Or a rougelike without a goal? Just a life simulator or something? Its the one thorn in the perfect roguelike rose.
Well, if you consider mere survival a reasonable goal, theres UnrealWorld. For a semi life simulator, there's Elona. You can just go around being a farmer or a prostitute or a bard, and the main story is pretty unintrusive.
I've just did some quick searching, and the only non fantasy ones I found were Gearhead and DoomRL. At least those seemed the most polished.
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I remember trying to be a bard in Elona. I was stoned to death after playing in a nearby tavern.
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there are sci-fi roguelikes... check the roguelike development megathread.... I think it directs to you to the roguelike basin and other cool places... (also, 7-day-RLs are quite cool too)
Ive played them, Ive played all of them. Or at the least I know all they have to offer.
Im just concerned, why cant anyone make a damn modern day rougelike for once? Or a rougelike without a goal? Just a life simulator or something? Its the one thorn in the perfect roguelike rose.
welcome to my project... A magic school simulator.... But I have it currently on hold as I'm pretty busy...
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and at least its not angband, that game was god-awful.
I agree.
Anyway, I like the fact that Crawl was made with no love. It reminds me of my childhood. *sob*
I don't know....Angband wasn't that bad at all...imo at least.
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I don't know....Angband wasn't that bad at all...imo at least.
Angband was/is terribly repetitious. There is one core gameplay loop; you essentially can't do anything else. Even the variants were/are that way, though most of them added more variety. E.g. ToME added the world map and quests.
I've never played ToME, but I still occasionally play a very old and slightly customized version of Zangband, ancestor of ToME.
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Also, Angband has a comparatively minor bug that causes walls and floors not to display on Vista machines. It's been known for a long time, and (as far as I know) whoever's developing Angband still hasn't just put a fix into the main distribution.
That should illustrate how incredibly dead development is. It's like, Biskup dead.
Now that I think about it, the same goes for Nethack. It's been 3.4.3 for as long as I can remember.
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This shouldn't affect the game on itself... I still love the first buggy LCS versions... Your argument is sinking with you inaluct...
You have a pre 3.09 version of LCS!?!?! If so, we must see it.
there are sci-fi roguelikes... check the roguelike development megathread.... I think it directs to you to the roguelike basin and other cool places... (also, 7-day-RLs are quite cool too)
Ive played them, Ive played all of them. Or at the least I know all they have to offer.
Im just concerned, why cant anyone make a damn modern day rougelike for once? Or a rougelike without a goal? Just a life simulator or something? Its the one thorn in the perfect roguelike rose.
Well, if you consider mere survival a reasonable goal, theres UnrealWorld. For a semi life simulator, there's Elona. You can just go around being a farmer or a prostitute or a bard, and the main story is pretty unintrusive.
I've just did some quick searching, and the only non fantasy ones I found were Gearhead and DoomRL. At least those seemed the most polished.
As though I havent played all those well known rougelikes.(as a matter of fact, trying to beat final boss on gearhead unarmed)
whoever's developing Angband still hasn't just put a fix into the main distribution.
Thats becuase no one is still developing Angband.
That should illustrate how incredibly dead development is. It's like, Biskup dead.
Biskup is still alive, hes just working on the sequal.(at snail pace sure, but working none the less)
Now that I think about it, the same goes for Nethack. It's been 3.4.3 for as long as I can remember.
Ive heard the developers of nethack say their going to develop the next version some day, although even Im starting to have my doubts.
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And Slash'EM is dead. The mailing lists get like ten posts a year combined. And no-one is maintaining it, much less developing it. Sad, as I like it more than Nethack.
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I don't know....Angband wasn't that bad at all...imo at least.
Angband was/is terribly repetitious. There is one core gameplay loop; you essentially can't do anything else. Even the variants were/are that way, though most of them added more variety. E.g. ToME added the world map and quests.
I've never played ToME, but I still occasionally play a very old and slightly customized version of Zangband, ancestor of ToME.
Okay that is true...but you cannot really compare it to ToME, since it's one of the best roguelikes, while Angband is in the "ok" category.
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but you cannot really compare it to ToME, since it's one of the best roguelikes
Your joke isn't funny.
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Biskup is still alive, hes just working on the sequal.(at snail pace sure, but working none the less)
DUDE!!! You've made my week!!!!
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Is there any info on the development or something?
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http://www.adom.de/blog/category/jade/ (http://www.adom.de/blog/category/jade/)
I believe that is what's being referred to, unless I'm missing something.
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There's a video somewhere in there and iirc there are also randomly generated worlds and a zoom out feature in the world map, just to get an idea of how big the worlds are intended to be.
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Well he is actually right Roguelikes do suck.
Atleast the majority do and people still eat them up. (I really dislike Elitist communities which plague Roguelikes like it is a requirement)
The point is to find the few that are actually any good or that have non-horrible communities.
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Wait, who's right?
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Wait, who's right?
Ductape apperantly... though his criticism is only that ASCII graphics are bad
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what does it matter how a community is like when playing a game? ???
There may be roguelikes you dislike... I don't play roguelikes just becasue they are... I, at least try them, because I now know they can have an incredible gameplay and be very complex (not having to waste time with rendering and stuff).
I don't know who plays for elitist reasons... ::)
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roguelikes are my favorite genre, so now Im an elitist?
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Wait what? Stop putting words into my mouth guys! I might as well deal with this now.
what does it matter how a community is like when playing a game?
The "Or" I put in means that you can enjoy a good community. I've played a few games I didn't think were all that good but I stayed because of the great community aspect.
roguelikes are my favorite genre, so now Im an elitist?
Nope. Well you COULD be an elitist, I don't know you that well, but it would be unrelated to you liking roguelikes.
There may be roguelikes you dislike... I don't play roguelikes just becasue they are
What? Alright Ill try rewording what I meant.
There are many bad roguelikes out there, but the point of people liking them is because there are a few very good roguelikes out there. (Don't throw the baby out with the bath water)
I don't know who plays for elitist reasons
I think this whole elitist movement came out of animocsity between Gamers and Casual Gamers. Games are becoming overly simplistic and easier to appeal to casual gamers more and more so some of the Gamers are starting to become resentful. They flock to Roguelikes as an island of difficulty that keeps the rabble outside.
That and some people are just plain jerks!
Well ok it is more involved then that. It would be interesting to see a sociology paper on this.
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http://www.adom.de/blog/category/jade/ (http://www.adom.de/blog/category/jade/)
I believe that is what's being referred to, unless I'm missing something.
JADE...it's a shame that the dev. of the game is extremely slow. -> "I still expect to start real work on JADE in autumn." :-\
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http://www.adom.de/blog/category/jade/ (http://www.adom.de/blog/category/jade/)
I believe that is what's being referred to, unless I'm missing something.
JADE...it's a shame that the dev. of the game is extremely slow. -> "I still expect to start real work on JADE in autumn." :-\
And of course you know "real work" means "planning to do real work."
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They flock to Roguelikes as an island of difficulty that keeps the rabble outside.
I am totally unaware of this. I had an older brother who played NetHack. That's how I got into them.
Seriously, stop trying to start a flame war.
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They flock to Roguelikes as an island of difficulty that keeps the rabble outside.
I am totally unaware of this. I had an older brother who played NetHack. That's how I got into them.
Seriously, stop trying to start a flame war.
No, he is right. Roguelikes are about as far from "casual" as you can get, their just unapealing to that audience.
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Flamewar? inaluct your actually fostering the flames a bit more then I am by intentional misinterpreting my information! >:(
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Flamewar? inaluct your actually fostering the flames a bit more then I am by intentional misinterpreting my information! >:(
You're in here accusing people of liking roguelikes as some sort of "we're more hardcore than you" club.
Here.
On a forum about Dwarf Fortress. A roguelike forum.
Doesn't it occur to you that this could start a flamewar?
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Dwarf FOrtress make me alite.
lololololololol
NO.
I would never do that.
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You're in here accusing people of liking roguelikes as some sort of "we're more hardcore than you" club
Interesting you said this. Here is something I made for a post (that I didn't post for obvious reasons) before I read this
Inaluct's interpretation of Neonivek's statements:
Neonivek: "Almost everyone who plays Roguelikes are elitist and horrible people"
That isn't what I am saying. (Though the Horrible people part I am sure isn't what your saying)
Actually I have a bit more then that but there are sufficiantly ranty.
I think Ill just drop it for now. People are on this weird misinterpretation tangent. (Which I also have written out! Woo)
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Okay, then, what are you saying?
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Misinterertation in Dwarf FOrtress?! IMpossible! *crackle*
This statement is the turth and only the whole truth.
SPelling gramer is onpurpose, i'm in playful mode.
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Toonyman is right. We shouldn't be fighting.
Or something.
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Muahah. Either I'm some insane guy or the genius of the WHOLE WORLD!
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Muahah. Either I'm some insane guy or the genius of the WHOLE WORLD!
Did we somehow jump into the Dark Knight continuity?
My sense of reality is weakening!
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ToonyMan bites reality in the face!
Reality is struck down!
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TOONYMAN!
No more paradoxes. The fiber of the universe might decay. Ir something really sci-fi might happen. Is that what you want?! SCI_FI IN DF?!
On topic:
I played and liked ADOM.
I play and like Nethack.
I play and like Crawl.
Notice the subtle difference?
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You don't like Ancient Domains of mystery anymore?
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I don't have it on my hard drive anymore. I guess I just didn't find it involving enough. I'm still plowing through Nethack and Crawl characters, but I just lost the incentive to play ADOM.
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I don't have it on my hard drive anymore. I guess I just didn't find it involving enough. I'm still plowing through Nethack and Crawl characters, but I just lost the incentive to play ADOM.
Truthfully I can barely tell the difference between Nethack and ADOM.
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Personaly I never seem play nethack anymore, while I still sit down for some adom from time to time. But then again I always seem to get pretty far in ADOM, as I think I have found out the "formula" to win.
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I've got a guy in ADOM right now, a barbarian troll that has gotten further then any of my other guys. I had to run from a few fights though for sure.
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You're in here accusing people of liking roguelikes as some sort of "we're more hardcore than you" club.
Technically he never accused any of us. It's just like people who think because they read books they are automatically smarter than people who watch lots of TV. Lots of roguelike communities seem to think they are all super smart because they add dice in their spare time instead of shooting nazis. This forum is thankfully mostly devoid of such arrogance.
And I haven't really played ADOM for years. But I used to play it a lot. Assassins and Rangers FTW.
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Wouldn't you know that the first level of this dungeon I was in a ran into a tension room. I had to run that fight.
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Technically he never accused any of us. It's just like people who think because they read books they are automatically smarter than people who watch lots of TV. Lots of roguelike communities seem to think they are all super smart because they add dice in their spare time instead of shooting nazis. This forum is thankfully mostly devoid of such arrogance
:o O_O :o
Alright, well he got what I meant. (Well I am a bit worried about that "Technically" part)
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Wouldn't you know that the first level of this dungeon I was in a ran into a tension room. I had to run that fight.
Heh, Ive never ran from a tension room. Their great sources of exp, drops, easy kills, and these things are somewhat rare in other circumstances.
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Not when you have 5(58) HP.
DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON.
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Not when you have 5(58) HP.
DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON.
If you have 5 hp you shouldent be up and about opening strange doors anyway...
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Heh, the "technically" was just me trying to be overly diplomatic when voicing an (seemingly) unpopular opinion. I just thought I would jump in because if you have trouble articulating your point inaluct will tear you apart. Clearly he is on debate team or something.
Ah, tension rooms. Probably one of my favourite parts of that game. They're like an experience piņata. Until you get one of the mixed bag ones with a paralyzing monster at the front...
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Not when you have 5(58) HP.
DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON.
If you have 5 hp you shouldent be up and about opening strange doors anyway...
*sigh* That was caused by the tension room.
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I've beaten ADOM atleast 5 five times, (one was a humie fighter save scum to test the wishing system) my best possible character was a (f) dark elven paladin.
I spent alot of time, (especially in the Cave of the Blue dragons) trying to find wands of wishing or rings of djinns.
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I take it slow, I have no clue what is going on or what to do next.
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Heh, the "technically" was just me trying to be overly diplomatic when voicing an (seemingly) unpopular opinion. I just thought I would jump in because if you have trouble articulating your point inaluct will tear you apart. Clearly he is on debate team or something.
Ah, tension rooms. Probably one of my favourite parts of that game. They're like an experience piņata. Until you get one of the mixed bag ones with a paralyzing monster at the front...
By complimenting me you have managed to diffuse tension. Clever. You have nice eyes.
Also, tension rooms are basically Angband vaults and pits, right?
▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
▓oooooooo.▓
▓ooooooooo▓
▓ooooooooo▓
▓ooooooooo▓
▓▓▓o▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
▓▓▓@▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
▓▓▓.▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
Those things?
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Clearly he is on debate team or something
Wait we want to debate? But I am a total Jerk when I do so seriously.
"DEFINE YOUR TERMS!!! DEFINE THEM!!!"
Anyhow there is interesting some fan made expansions for ADOM and Nethack. They arn't too special but they don't do anything to them that is bad.
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Heh, the "technically" was just me trying to be overly diplomatic when voicing an (seemingly) unpopular opinion. I just thought I would jump in because if you have trouble articulating your point inaluct will tear you apart. Clearly he is on debate team or something.
Ah, tension rooms. Probably one of my favourite parts of that game. They're like an experience piņata. Until you get one of the mixed bag ones with a paralyzing monster at the front...
By complimenting me you have managed to diffuse tension. Clever. You have nice eyes.
Also, tension rooms are basically Angband vaults and pits, right?
▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
▓oooooooo.▓
▓ooooooooo▓
▓ooooooooo▓
▓ooooooooo▓
▓▓▓o▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
▓▓▓@▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
▓▓▓.▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
Those things?
Yeah, tension rooms are just like vaults or zoos. Or blah grrr.
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I love tension, they're the best way to kill things especially when you have the right equipment.
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I always get my character killed out of some impulsive action in ADOM. I don't like 'savecheating', and I get bored enough with my lvl 34 dark elf assassins halfway through anyway :P