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Title: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 15, 2009, 11:22:48 am
I'm in the "Media" class in my school. Which means we learn how to make movies, television programs, advertisements, Etc. Starting with the new school year, I will have to produce, direct, film, script and edit (Because I really don't trust any of the other students in the class to do it. Seriously. They suck. Besides, more glory for me. Doing that stuff is the easiest part.) a small film up to 15 minutes long. Right now, step 1. Write a script.

I've read a really good book about it and I will be able to EASILY write the actual script. However, I am constrained on two departments:

1: Budget. As you'd imagine I don't have access to stunning CGI, pyrotechnics and a snack bar. Etc.

2: The time limit. 15 minutes is not a lot to work with. 30 minutes would do me fine. But 15 is just too short for my Übercreativity.



I'll iron out the storyline and do the actual scriptwriting process. (Contrary to popular belief, you don't just write a story like you would write, say, a report or a book.)

What I need of you creative guys, is a basic plot. Characters, ending, setting and timeframe. All to fit a tiny budget of under $50. (The stuff I'll work with will obviously be supplied. Camera, editing computer, etc. I'm talking about extra props and special materials for settings.)

I'll say again, I will write the actual scenes, dialog, acts, etc. I just need the 4 things I mentioned. Characters, ending, setting and a timeframe. Note that obviously I will modify these to fit. But it helps to already have a story to modify rather than start from scratch.

The book described an ingenious method of coming up with a fast script. But if I do that as my first script, it will be horrible and sound forced at every corner. So I will not be using that.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: mendonca on July 15, 2009, 11:39:26 am
Characters:

Man
Woman
Tourist

Plot:

Man and Woman meet at a landmark. They talk.

Tourist talks to them, asks man for a photo of tourist.

Really it was an elaborate plot to take a sample of the mans dna from a sampler in the camera button.

Tourist turns himself into a physical doppelganger of man (using genetic material)

Tourist steals life of man. Do something interesting with the original man.

Woman doesn't notice the difference.

Man and woman meet at landmark. They talk.


There you go, you can have that one for free.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Armok on July 15, 2009, 12:20:05 pm
That sounds like an awesome school project. if I was on it i COULD do stunning CGI for you, but I'm not.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 15, 2009, 01:22:10 pm
Characters:

Man
Woman
Tourist

Plot:

Man and Woman meet at a landmark. They talk.

Tourist talks to them, asks man for a photo of tourist.

Really it was an elaborate plot to take a sample of the mans dna from a sampler in the camera button.

Tourist turns himself into a physical doppelganger of man (using genetic material)

Tourist steals life of man. Do something interesting with the original man.

Woman doesn't notice the difference.

Man and woman meet at landmark. They talk.


There you go, you can have that one for free.

You completely missed the time constraint there. Good luck introducing characters and fleshing them out whilst still maintaining that elaborate linear storyline that is really unworthy of a script.

Did I mention I have fake science? You can't use someone's DNA to turn yourself into a physical copy of them!

That sounds like an awesome school project. if I was on it i COULD do stunning CGI for you, but I'm not.

I think a better way of saying it would be, there will not be any CGI. It all has to be live action.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: mendonca on July 15, 2009, 04:44:07 pm

You completely missed the time constraint there. Good luck introducing characters and fleshing them out whilst still maintaining that elaborate linear storyline that is really unworthy of a script.

Did I mention I have fake science? You can't use someone's DNA to turn yourself into a physical copy of them!


Ok, first things first, my post was not flippant, contrary to the tone implied by your reply. I do however have no experience in this field, so listen to me at your peril.

I'll try and answer your cleverly hidden questions, and explain to you my thought process, as I genuinely believe there is some mileage in my idea. Whilst it may not be what you are looking for, I feel compelled to explain this out.

1. "Introducing characters and fleshing them out" - Personally I wouldn't really worry about 'characters' as you only have fifteen minutes. I would have thought three figures would have been ample.

2. "Elaborate linear storyline" - You only have fifteen minutes. Elaborate storylines will not work very well, in my opinion.

3. "Fake Science" - This is a metaphor for the lengths the guy will go to to replace the life of the other man. Easily done with no effects. Can just abstract this out with some bandages whilst he sleeps, or preferably some other, better idea.

Do you feel confident with dialogue? When it's not done well it can be really bad. I tried to avoid a dialogue heavy situation.


Some issues to cover and possibly explore that I can think of, and some that I did think of whilst posting first time round. Maybe they would even add some sort of depth to the idea (but I thought that was what you were going to do ;)):

- The two scenes, outside at a landmark and inside in the tourists house / flat would be the key scenes. This gives a great opportunity for exploring different lighting options (natural and artificial). Also get some good shots of people vs. landmark. Play with focus, pan through crowds etc. Get a knackered flourescent tube to introduce the old buzzing / flickering light in the apartment corridor.

An exercise in continuity would also be to shoot the first scene in the morning, have the film last a day, and shoot the last scene in the evening. Will give some excellent varying colors with the natural light, and perhaps show an attention to detail which may be appreciated by your teacher.

- Why does the tourist obsess about the woman?

- What about the life the tourist is happy to leave behind? Some clues could be introduced in to the script, maybe have him answering his answering machine when he gets back in to his flat, deleting all the messages after a cursory listen?

- Why does the tourist see the woman as 'property'?

- Why is the woman happy to take on the new man as hers? Clearly he would have a totally different personality, maybe the woman is insecure? Why? Commentary on loveless / empty relationships?

- Strangers could be thinking all sorts of things about you, maybe try and make the viewer paranoid?

- What about the mans life? maybe nobody misses him, and some visual (or otherwise) cue implies that the tourist is actually the 'Hero'?

uh ... I can't think of any more.

Maybe this helps anyway. If not, ah well, I had fun analysing my own stupid two-bit idea for some semblance of depth.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Strife26 on July 15, 2009, 10:04:07 pm
Watching dragonheart while I'm watching this. Right after getting done with Patton, so be advised.


Plot: Old timey. Either midevil or persian or roman.

Lead: Grizzled Obi-wan knight. Honorable Knight Archetype (negates need for much characterization).

(Exposition, maybe three minutes) Knight has retired after years of fighting and moved to different kingdom. He doesn't want anything to do with war.

King does stupid ass shit. Like be a jerkass and a start religiously persecuting a bunch of caps (or take away civie weapons, whatever you want on the sliding scale of preachiness).

Messenger type demands Knights observance (make knight part of group). Knight tells him to fuck off. Messenger pulls sword. Knight kicks his ass unarmed.

Bunch of goons show up. Epic sword fight between knight and troops. Possibly to Lucky man.

Knight dies.

End.



 
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 16, 2009, 10:51:28 am

You completely missed the time constraint there. Good luck introducing characters and fleshing them out whilst still maintaining that elaborate linear storyline that is really unworthy of a script.

Did I mention I have fake science? You can't use someone's DNA to turn yourself into a physical copy of them!


Ok, first things first, my post was not flippant, contrary to the tone implied by your reply. I do however have no experience in this field, so listen to me at your peril.

I'll try and answer your cleverly hidden questions, and explain to you my thought process, as I genuinely believe there is some mileage in my idea. Whilst it may not be what you are looking for, I feel compelled to explain this out.

1. "Introducing characters and fleshing them out" - Personally I wouldn't really worry about 'characters' as you only have fifteen minutes. I would have thought three figures would have been ample.

2. "Elaborate linear storyline" - You only have fifteen minutes. Elaborate storylines will not work very well, in my opinion.

3. "Fake Science" - This is a metaphor for the lengths the guy will go to to replace the life of the other man. Easily done with no effects. Can just abstract this out with some bandages whilst he sleeps, or preferably some other, better idea.

Do you feel confident with dialogue? When it's not done well it can be really bad. I tried to avoid a dialogue heavy situation.


Some issues to cover and possibly explore that I can think of, and some that I did think of whilst posting first time round. Maybe they would even add some sort of depth to the idea (but I thought that was what you were going to do ;)):

- The two scenes, outside at a landmark and inside in the tourists house / flat would be the key scenes. This gives a great opportunity for exploring different lighting options (natural and artificial). Also get some good shots of people vs. landmark. Play with focus, pan through crowds etc. Get a knackered flourescent tube to introduce the old buzzing / flickering light in the apartment corridor.

An exercise in continuity would also be to shoot the first scene in the morning, have the film last a day, and shoot the last scene in the evening. Will give some excellent varying colors with the natural light, and perhaps show an attention to detail which may be appreciated by your teacher.

- Why does the tourist obsess about the woman?

- What about the life the tourist is happy to leave behind? Some clues could be introduced in to the script, maybe have him answering his answering machine when he gets back in to his flat, deleting all the messages after a cursory listen?

- Why does the tourist see the woman as 'property'?

- Why is the woman happy to take on the new man as hers? Clearly he would have a totally different personality, maybe the woman is insecure? Why? Commentary on loveless / empty relationships?

- Strangers could be thinking all sorts of things about you, maybe try and make the viewer paranoid?

- What about the mans life? maybe nobody misses him, and some visual (or otherwise) cue implies that the tourist is actually the 'Hero'?

uh ... I can't think of any more.

Maybe this helps anyway. If not, ah well, I had fun analysing my own stupid two-bit idea for some semblance of depth.

I set forth to try and write a first stage script from your story there and it went quite well. Do note that it is heavily modified.

Your post had no effect other than making me consider your story again. Your original story wouldn't have worked, but it inspired me to modify it and make it work. I managed to write a first stage Act I and explain a bit on why it worked and stuff, BUT THEN FIREFOX CRASHED! Normally, it would save all I wrote and it would still be there. BUT FOR SOME REASON, the forum gave me an error! So all that is lost! I remember it in my head though, but I don't feel like typing it up again.

To give you the gist of it, I established the Man and Woman in a romantic relationship and the Tourist as somebody who transforms himself into the Man. That's the end of Act I in a cleverly disguised turning point.

Act II would include the Tourist seeking his target. Something the Woman is hiding from him. The Woman could be a lot of things. A top secret researcher, a spy, a foreign criminal in charge for the recent credit crisis (I set the timeframe in the period after the crisis when things got a little steadier. As in, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture but with no brand new tech. Only secret tech.

The Woman may be hiding something crucial for the Tourist's mission. The Tourist could be a government agent, an industrial spy, a rich money grubbing company owner looking to raise profits, (Best one, because it fits the timeframe the best.) Etc.

Two possible endings came to mind. A "good" one and a "bad" one.

I will list the endings. Do note it will sound a bit off. Trust me. Act II will set this straight. The Woman will have a reason to suspect and a reason to be in the location when it happens. I'd explain better, but I honestly don't feel like giving you the gist of a series of chapters in the book I read.

Good ending would be this:

The Woman catches the Tourist stealing whatever it is he's supposed to steal. The Tourist attempts to kill the woman, but she bests him and manages to restrain him. She knows that she can't call the police, because then the tech the Tourist used to assume the identity of the Man will become public knowledge. So she searches him for another of those devices he used to make the Man disappear (So the Tourist could assume his identity. Not have two Mans running about. (Lol, Mans.))

She finds it and uses it on the Tourist. The Tourist vanishes. Along with his clothes.

The "Bad" ending would be the Tourist achieves his objective and manages to kill the woman in a normal fashion. He lets police find her body and all the clues point to the Man. But the Tourist escapes and stops looking like the Man because he can control who he looks like. The Man vanishes effectively. Nobody suspects what actually happened.

This sounds VERY shitty, I know. But I can't really write it in this fashion. It would sound WAY better in script form. Trust me on this one.



Mendonca, your post made me do ONE thing. Reconsider your story. Your original story hardly worked at all. It was, to put it bluntly, terrible for a short script. It would make a good movie, a good book, novel, whatever. But not a short movie.

However, after I modified it a bit, it suited much better. It COULD work and if I don't get any better ideas, I will use my modified version of your story.

Do take note that I am unable to give credit to you, as you are not somebody ANYONE in my school knows. Including my teachers. They will not allow me to use a story written by someone else. The loophole here is that you did not give me a story, but an idea.

So the credit must be this post.

If the script gets a good grade then you will have another thanks.

Like I said. If this turns out to be the best idea, I'll use it.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: mendonca on July 16, 2009, 12:12:35 pm
It was, to put it bluntly, terrible for a short script. It would make a good movie, a good book, novel, whatever. But not a short movie.

Thats ... just ... your opinion, man.

In all seriousness I think even the worst idea can be fleshed out in to a decent one of any of the above with good writing.

If you can read between the lines of a stupid little plot in the right way, you can come up with an interesting story.

Do take note that I am unable to give credit to you, as you are not somebody ANYONE in my school knows.

My motivation was purely altruistic. Feel free to deny any of this ever happened.

Like I said. If this turns out to be the best idea, I'll use it.

Good luck with however you choose to proceed (I should have added this to my previous post - very impolite of me)
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 16, 2009, 01:26:21 pm
It was, to put it bluntly, terrible for a short script. It would make a good movie, a good book, novel, whatever. But not a short movie.

Thats ... just ... your opinion, man.

In all seriousness I think even the worst idea can be fleshed out in to a decent one of any of the above with good writing.

If you can read between the lines of a stupid little plot in the right way, you can come up with an interesting story.


While it is true that ANYTHING can become a decent script in the hands of an epic writer, I am not an epic writer. Besides, a good story is easier to turn into a good script. Which means the script is better.

About reading between the lines, as a script writer, I don't read between the lines. I read between the LETTERS. THAT is how thorough I have to be.

A script has to be sure not to fall to bad-acting syndrome where you can have a neutral face guy yelling about somthing utterly mundane. Here's an example of a BAD scene and a GOOD scene.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Apart from the obvious joke, do you see anything wrong here?

I see a lot of things wrong. Where's the acting? Allow me to demonstrate.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)



This is where the scene ends. In scripts, you mark the end of a scene by starting a new one. So obviously there's no "End scene" mark.

I went for a crappy love scene. You may call the dialog bland and horrible, but trust me. If you should ONE scene from a movie, it WILL look horrible if the crowd never saw the movie or read the script. They will not know what's going on. The personalities of the characters were established previously.

Now you can see the clear difference. The first scene had no dialog or explenation on expression. Remember, in a movie, what you see is equally important to what you hear. You need the facial expressions. Sure the director would put them in. But he may not be able to do it equally well. The script WRITER knows the story inside out. As he wrote it. He knows EXACTLY what it should be like. The director DOESN'T.

I have the pleasure of being both for my film. But that will not excuse poor scriptwriting.



Back to the point itself, if the script is not thorough in writing the whole scene, you cannot expect it to work properly on the screen. Notice that in the first, a lot of details were left out. What the characters were wearing was not explained, they had no dialog or expressions, the location wasn't written properly, Etc. They just jumped in on the bed and started having sex.

In the second scene, the buildup exists. The expressions exist. The sex is subtly hinted on. The dialog (I'll admit I didn't even try to make it reasonably good. I just needed a quick example. You can't write dialog for one scene properly without writing the whole script.) was there.

Note that the script is not written in proper form. It is in shortened form. Remember, one A4 page of script is about 1 minute on screen. A scene typically takes 3-5 minutes. I write my scenes short in the first drafts.

I'll mention this one last time. This is NOT how I would write a scene for a script. I'm just scribbling a draft scene. (You don't write the final version first, do you? You write DRAFTS.) I'd like to mention that something like this would be part of another scene. Not an entire scene in itself.

Of and by the way, since the film and script will be in Hebrew, you probably wont understand the film. So I'll translate the finished script to English and post it for whom it concerns. (Anyone who wants to see how shitty my work is.)

But you wont be able to see the actual film. Can't upload it on the internet for reasons I'd rather not talk about.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Broose on July 16, 2009, 05:24:02 pm
I AM FILLED WITH GENIUS:

A man and his family are going on a vacation to a place. The man is visited by a GHOST that warns him not to go on the vacation.  This leads to the man contemplating if he should go on the vacation or not. He decides to go on the vacation. His family has a great time.

Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: GruffyBears on July 16, 2009, 08:12:38 pm
I LOVE THAT!! It screams "Fuck ghosts 'n' shit, I wanna day off!"

((It teaches the viewer that no-one, not even the mythical undead,who are revered for having some kind of foresight due to there deadness, are infallible.))
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 17, 2009, 05:12:11 am
I AM FILLED WITH GENIUS:

A man and his family are going on a vacation to a place. The man is visited by a GHOST that warns him not to go on the vacation.  This leads to the man contemplating if he should go on the vacation or not. He decides to go on the vacation. His family has a great time.



Ah the old cliche.

Guy wants to do something.

Someone/something warns him not to.

Guy does it anyway.

Guy is successful.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: chaoticag on July 17, 2009, 06:41:43 am
American tourists go on a vacation. Their hotel is haunted by a ghost. The ghosts annoys the tourists with his attempt to scare them off. They offer him American products to help solve his problems, such as clanky chains and so on. Ghost gets annoyed.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 17, 2009, 07:23:23 am
That appears to be half a troll.

Could you people at least TRY to come up with a story like Mendonca did?
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: chaoticag on July 17, 2009, 11:41:28 am
In all honesty, I stole that from Oscar Wilde, but it is public domain (copyright expired a long time ago).

Do you want comedy? action? a philosophically provoking work? What talent do you have?

Bad actors generally are better at comedy, because no one takes them seriously (but don't break the forth wall). The budget constraints aren't a problem for whatever genre you want, but don't expect explosions.

It would help if you could narrow down the genre for us: we can focus on it better that way.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Asheron on July 17, 2009, 11:46:02 am
Setting: Inside an appartement or house, preferably a bland urban one. The more rundown the better.

A man, preferably one who looks a bit depressed, tired and dirty, knocks on a door ( preferably, in the case that he is at a house, while it's morning ).
A cheerful looking ( until she sees the man ) woman opens the door. The two stare at eachother for a few seconds before embracing eachother.
The man enters. Both sit down and start to talk. Out of the discussion, the viewer can derive that the man is the ex boyfriend of the woman. He ended the relationship for a career in a far away city/country/... but he never stopped loving her. Because of unfortunate events, he has lost all what he chose above her and now he has returned. He asks if she can forgive him for giving up their relationship, perhaps hinting at starting anew. The women makes it clear that she is in love with another man now, and that she cannot start anew. She pities him and gives him back a trinket/jewel ( a fake one seeing you have that budget ) he once gave her. The man is clearly shaken and leaves the appartment almost bursting out in tears.
He wanders around in a park ( it's getting late ). Possibly have him carrying a empty bottle of booze to imply he has been drinking between the conversation and this scene. He comes across a bench. A flashback can be seen in which the man and the women can be seen flirting with eachother on said bench. He sits upon the bench while holding the trinket in his palms. You can hear him crying. Possibly, teardrops falling upon the trinket/jewel for dramatic effect. The screen becomes black. A shot of the ground now. The trinket is lying on the flour/ground. Slowly, the camera goes up and you can see the man's feet hanging motionlessly in the air ( so that the viewer gains the impression that he hanged himself, but does not get any tangible confirmation ). The end!

Time frame is a day. With the encounter between man and women happening at day, the park scene at night.

This might be too much written out already, too stereotypical or just plain bad, I don't know, but in any case I hope you are something with it. 
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 17, 2009, 01:55:01 pm
Setting: Inside an appartement or house, preferably a bland urban one. The more rundown the better.

A man, preferably one who looks a bit depressed, tired and dirty, knocks on a door ( preferably, in the case that he is at a house, while it's morning ).
A cheerful looking ( until she sees the man ) woman opens the door. The two stare at eachother for a few seconds before embracing eachother.
The man enters. Both sit down and start to talk. Out of the discussion, the viewer can derive that the man is the ex boyfriend of the woman. He ended the relationship for a career in a far away city/country/... but he never stopped loving her. Because of unfortunate events, he has lost all what he chose above her and now he has returned. He asks if she can forgive him for giving up their relationship, perhaps hinting at starting anew. The women makes it clear that she is in love with another man now, and that she cannot start anew. She pities him and gives him back a trinket/jewel ( a fake one seeing you have that budget ) he once gave her. The man is clearly shaken and leaves the appartment almost bursting out in tears.
He wanders around in a park ( it's getting late ). Possibly have him carrying a empty bottle of booze to imply he has been drinking between the conversation and this scene. He comes across a bench. A flashback can be seen in which the man and the women can be seen flirting with eachother on said bench. He sits upon the bench while holding the trinket in his palms. You can hear him crying. Possibly, teardrops falling upon the trinket/jewel for dramatic effect. The screen becomes black. A shot of the ground now. The trinket is lying on the flour/ground. Slowly, the camera goes up and you can see the man's feet hanging motionlessly in the air ( so that the viewer gains the impression that he hanged himself, but does not get any tangible confirmation ). The end!

Time frame is a day. With the encounter between man and women happening at day, the park scene at night.

This might be too much written out already, too stereotypical or just plain bad, I don't know, but in any case I hope you are something with it. 

I admire your effort, but to be as bluntly honest as I can be, but to be honest, this is not that good.

In fact, it's quite terrible.

There's not much of a storyline. Man comes to woman, woman rejects man, man tries to win her over, fails. Man proceeds to drink himself stupor and hang himself. Teh edn.

I just don't see this being turned into a good movie. The only hope this has, is a novel. A long novel.


Here are a few pointers.

Why is the new love interest of the woman not introduced? In fact, why is he not at her house when the ex-boyfriend arrives? That creates a good conflict situation. Embarrassment, etc.

What happens during the entire 2nd act? There's no content there aside from the rejection and drinking.

How is the viewer supposed to realize the man is her ex-boyfriend? This needs to be placed in dialog. The best way? You guessed it. Put the new boyfriend in there who doesn't know the guy. So the woman has to explain.

This is more emotion than I would entrust my potential actors with. I really don't want to be doing 50 takes of every shot and then picking the one that sucks the least.

Why is she giving him back the trinket just now? Why not when he left?

Why is he hanging himself? I mean seriously!

Better yet, why is the hanging the ending? A good ending would be the woman discovering of this and starting to cry herself. Blaming herself even though it's not her fault. Etc.

Incidentally, where's the 3rd act? All there is in there is that one scene where the man hangs himself.



I must start writing a script by next month. So you guys should hurry up and throw your ideas at me.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Strife26 on July 17, 2009, 02:06:29 pm
What about mine?!
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 17, 2009, 02:22:08 pm
I don't have the budget for a proper medieval style movie. So no.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: chaoticag on July 17, 2009, 02:48:25 pm
How about this:

Sports champion is a self-centered popular dude that wins most his games.

He gets in a car accident, and his injuries stop him from playing again.

He then suffers, and finally learns to cope with life or commits suicide, depending on the message you want to give out. (Don't be a jerk or sports heros are ephemiral).

Or.

You can parody the sports guy overcoming a disability theme, and have a pingpong champion break his arms and one leg (in an unlikely accident) a a week before his championship match, and learns to play using a racket in his mouth and on an office chair.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 17, 2009, 03:02:55 pm
The first idea, it could be good, but there's really no plot and I doubt I can afford to make a car crash. After all, I have to visually convey that the car is damaged. Or else the impact is missing. (Pun intended.)

The second idea, would make a good comedy. But it cliches sports movies. Which is something I want to avoid.

Remember that I will actually need someone who is actually able to play ping pong with his mouth.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Broose on July 17, 2009, 03:05:37 pm
DO A MUSIC VIDEO
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Asheron on July 17, 2009, 05:59:24 pm
I admire your effort, but to be as bluntly honest as I can be, In fact, it's quite terrible. You suck at life and everything. I sincerely hope you die.
Hehe, I suspected you'd reply something like that. I know, it's a pretty shallow story, but I just came up with it and was interested in what you were going to say about it. Might have another go at it later.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 17, 2009, 06:45:37 pm
Please do. Remember. Your goal is to INSPIRE me to START the process. It's a snowball.

I have a MASSIVE POOL OF SCRIPTWRITING FUEL. I just need ONE SPARK OF CREATIVITY.

Unfortunately, you must grind your brain against itself to generate such a spark. (Think)
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: GruffyBears on July 17, 2009, 07:28:57 pm
Man sees woman being mugged. Saves woman and beats mugger intensly. Story follows the mugger who turns out to be a single parent struggling to make ends meet. Woman is actually an abusive, dominating wife and mother. Teaches us that everything is relative. Call it "What would you do for her?" Make money and become famous, but then fall into a vicious cycle of drugs and debt. Die in a gutter 10 years later.

Right, you only wanted a script...

It's vague, unoriginal and tired, so it'll be an instant hit.

Try the random word tactic. Write words on paper, then link them and try to find meaning.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 18, 2009, 06:45:30 am
That kind of story would be heavy on flashbacks. Not to mention, why the fuck are they in the street?

Besides, the story falls flat on its ass considering that it's still wrong to steal even if you're poor.

I could explain it in more detail, but trust me. This wouldn't work.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Strife26 on July 18, 2009, 08:42:10 am
Listen to carry on my wayward song (the one I'm currently quoting in my sig) for a while, then base the entire movie off of it.

You could get some cool stuff, I'd think.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 18, 2009, 09:20:12 am
I don't think that will work.

Edit: This should help you guys help me. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwtf_tpVras)
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Broose on July 18, 2009, 03:46:40 pm
Shit, I think I just got the best idea ever. You go on tvtropes, and make a comedy based on several different tropes. BAM! BEST MOVIE EVER!
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Little on July 18, 2009, 03:57:43 pm
Man sees woman being mugged. Saves woman and beats mugger intensly. Story follows the mugger who turns out to be a single parent struggling to make ends meet. Woman is actually an abusive, dominating wife and mother. Teaches us that everything is relative. Call it "What would you do for her?"

This is such a great idea.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Broose on July 18, 2009, 04:18:58 pm
Man sees woman being mugged. Saves woman and beats mugger intensly. Story follows the mugger who turns out to be a single parent struggling to make ends meet. Woman is actually an abusive, dominating wife and mother. Teaches us that everything is relative. Call it "What would you do for her?"

This is such a great idea.

I am reminded of a comic:

http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF106-Billy_the_Bunny.jpg
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 18, 2009, 05:11:58 pm
Man sees woman being mugged. Saves woman and beats mugger intensly. Story follows the mugger who turns out to be a single parent struggling to make ends meet. Woman is actually an abusive, dominating wife and mother. Teaches us that everything is relative. Call it "What would you do for her?"

This is such a great idea.

A good scriptwriter writes a good script. A great scriptwriter writes a good movie.

What looks good on paper, doesn't have to look as good on screen.

Just trust me on this. It just wont work. Not with my capabilities at least.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Pleeb on July 18, 2009, 07:43:19 pm
A good scriptwriter writes a good script. A great scriptwriter writes a good movie.
And combined with a good director you get a great movie. Need someone with vision, not just writing skills.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Vactor on July 18, 2009, 09:32:26 pm
Have you considered doing stop motion?  Unless you have a local group of very adept actors at your disposal it won't matter how good your script is, the delivery will undo it.  I had the most fun doing school projects using stop motion, using legos for broad shots, and adjustable action figures for closer shots.  This will allow you to put it into a larger variety of settings as well, depending on what you've got for action figures..  Also using legos allows for more dramatic landscapes, a patch of sand becomes a desert, a half buried rock a cliff face.

Also, as with short stories, IMO the best stories are the ones that have some sort of unforseen twist (unforseen either to the reader, or to the characters(Nightfall by Isaac Asimov)) only revealed at the end, rather than a slow exploration of a lesson to be learned.  (especially if there were clues along the way, that the reader dosen't pick up on, but in hindsight all of the clues fall into place(The Lurking Fear by H.P. Lovecraft)
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 19, 2009, 07:05:18 am
A good scriptwriter writes a good script. A great scriptwriter writes a good movie.
And combined with a good director you get a great movie. Need someone with vision, not just writing skills.

I AM the director. So I know my capabilities.

You're also mistaken in your statement. A good director wont make a good movie from a bad script. He'll only bump it up to average.



Have you considered doing stop motion?  Unless you have a local group of very adept actors at your disposal it won't matter how good your script is, the delivery will undo it.  I had the most fun doing school projects using stop motion, using legos for broad shots, and adjustable action figures for closer shots.  This will allow you to put it into a larger variety of settings as well, depending on what you've got for action figures..  Also using legos allows for more dramatic landscapes, a patch of sand becomes a desert, a half buried rock a cliff face.

Also, as with short stories, IMO the best stories are the ones that have some sort of unforseen twist (unforseen either to the reader, or to the characters(Nightfall by Isaac Asimov)) only revealed at the end, rather than a slow exploration of a lesson to be learned.  (especially if there were clues along the way, that the reader dosen't pick up on, but in hindsight all of the clues fall into place(The Lurking Fear by H.P. Lovecraft)

I'm not that good with stopmotion.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: bjlong on July 21, 2009, 10:03:49 pm
You have nothing? No plot? No characters? No setting?

Alright, in 15 minutes you can only set up 3 characters. Setting needs to be able to be expositioned, more or less, in two sentences (plus visual cues, like costuming.) Plot can be structured into three parts 3-7 minutes long: the setup (where you present the central conflict and its history), the turning (where you hint at how the conflict will go and build emotional tension) and the ending (which is where you resolve the conflict.) Of course you know all this, so... um... yeah. There you go.

Let's try to come up with something with a happy ending, here, because I spit in the face of true art.

Setting: Somewhere duels were regularly fought. 17-18th centuries Europe would work. (Costuming would be relatively easy for these times, too.)

Characters: The Duelist (Male lead: calm and calculating always, likes Rose); Henry (Duelist's foil: passionate with no skill in arms, perhaps aspiring lawyer, loves Rose); Rose (Romantic interest, loves Henry, very witty, has a good friendship w/UST w/Duelist)

Plot summary: Begins in media res, hilltop at dawn-ish. Duelist and Henry stand in a field of roses, wearing simple clothing, armed with knives. A referee or official is nearby. Some voice over opening philosophy, maybe, from Duelist.

Flashback to earlier times. We get a day or two in the life of Duelist. He claims that the only way for him to make money is by being a fighter, as he has no other marketable skills. Since it's peacetime, that means he duels in place of the wealthy or disabled, for money. (Note: this happened historically! Weird, huh?) He lives a very frugal life, in a small, dirty house. He has a tolerable relationship to Henry--some business stuff, perhaps, which shouldn't be out of the question--dueling laws were notoriously byzantine. Goes out of his way to talk to Rose, who disapproves of his lifestyle and lets him know it, but is willing to talk. At some point she says the line "I could never love someone with blood on his hands," possibly when talking about Henry.

At one point, Duelist's UST shows, and he corners Rose in a somewhat sensuous position. She protests, but not too loudly. Henry catches them, blames Duelist, and challenges him to a duel to the death. Perhaps some exposition, where we see that he really means it and won't back down for anything.

Back to present. We hear the challenge to a duel and the line "I could never love someone with blood on his hands" again, in voice over. The official starts the duel. Henry leaps in with a wild swing. Duelist ducks under swing, reaching down to crush a rose, and pushes Henry back as he stands up. Duelist throws rose petals in Henry's face, then runs from the duel. Henry then says that he'll let the Duelist run, but will kill him if he comes back, almost friendly now. Some more philosophy, maybe.

Possible lines:

(Beginning)

Duelist: Every now and then, we are given a choice--whether to hurt those who have hurt us, or to let them continue. To repay them for the flowers stolen, or to let them twist their knives in our wounds. It is human nature to choose the first--inevitably, all men do. I know--I have made a profession of hurting back, of killing. I am a duelist, settling disputes of "honor" for a tidy sum. This, however, this is my choice.

---

(Talking to Rose)

Duelist: So I've heard you fancy this Henry fellow.

Rose: None of your business, sir.

Duelist: Apologies.

Rose (somewhat playful): So you do know how to apologize. One wonders why you don't do that, rather than killing people who argue too much.

Duelist: Perhaps there's no money in it.

Rose: Perhaps if you'd studied law...

Duelist: Perhaps if I was Henry, you mean.

Rose: No! But now that you mention it, I might fancy him. Just a bit.

(Duelist looks upset)

Rose: What's wrong with that?

Duelist: Oh, just worried. He can't defend himself, you see.

Rose: Of course not! I could never abide a man with blood on his hands.

Duelist (even more upset, but hides it quickly): Hmm. Well, all the same, he should defend himself.

Rose: You're too worried. Besides, he has an unbridled passion about him--anyone who might try to fight him would surely be daunted.

Duelist: A hot head is soon lost.

Rose: Oh, no more of your silly proverbs.

---

(Henry discovering Duelist, Rose, after forcing them apart)

Henry: What the hell, man?! *slaps the Duelist* I thought you were a gentleman! I thought you trustworthy!

Duelist: I--

Henry: By God, what are you thinking? Infringing on her honor? Coward! I demand satisfaction!

Rose: Henry...

Duelist: A duel?

Henry: Yes, sir! To the death!

Duelist: I beg you to reconsider.

Henry: There is nothing--!

Rose: No, Henry, please don't...

Henry: There is nothing to reconsider!

Duelist: Very well, then, knives at dawn. I'll alert the official, he'll set the grounds.
---

If a rose garden is too much to find, then have the Duelist come on scene with a rose, which he can let drop to the ground before the fight begins. Otherwise, a simple pastoral scene could work--a farm, or a park.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 22, 2009, 02:29:45 pm
I honestly don't like that script. The setting doesn't click with me.

But it is however passable. But fighting over the love interest is so cliche.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Little on July 22, 2009, 04:05:28 pm
It's cliche because it happens too much in real life.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: GruffyBears on July 22, 2009, 06:51:19 pm
Everything's a fucking cliche. When it comes down to it, if you used that script with enough talent, the cliche would be irrelevant, it'd still appeal.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Vactor on July 22, 2009, 07:04:20 pm
a few more tidbits of advice:

write what you know

people care more about who a character is than what a character does.  what they do should reflect on who they are, not be who they are.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: bjlong on July 22, 2009, 07:34:32 pm
Yanlin: Not much of a script. I gave you setting, plot, characters, and a few snatches of dialogue. Glad to hear you think it's passable as a script as is. Me, I would have wanted to refine it a lot more.

Seems you really won't be satisfied by anything posted, after looking over the topic--I'd recommend making your own script from scratch, rather than asking for help.
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 26, 2009, 07:33:36 am
Yanlin: Not much of a script. I gave you setting, plot, characters, and a few snatches of dialogue. Glad to hear you think it's passable as a script as is. Me, I would have wanted to refine it a lot more.

Seems you really won't be satisfied by anything posted, after looking over the topic--I'd recommend making your own script from scratch, rather than asking for help.

Oh trust me. I've easily thought up about a dozen good ideas. NONE of which I could actually produce because of technical limitations, production limitations and budget limitations.

I am simply incapable of thinking in the way required to make short movies.

However, a friend was kind enough to provide me with a "Good enough" script idea and I am going to use that one.



The basic idea is a slapstick comedy about two idiots who live in a boarding school. It's the afternoon. They are hungry. So they sneak into the mess hall. A ton of comedic situations happen. You know how it goes. Oh and there's a continuity screw in there somewhere.

I decided to add a small stealth motif where they are sneaking around Sam Fisher style. I'll probably either use Bond music (Because everyone heard it.) or actual Splinter Cell music (It sounds so fucking good when sneaking is involved.)

Since the actual video is basically one of the 3 graduation projects I need to do to get my... I have no idea what to call it, but let's say diploma. Since the movie is not copyrighted and the idea itself is basically open domain as far as anyone is concerned, it's fair use. So I'm covered on the legal side. Or I could use original music recored by "the" school band.

The ending consists of them actually getting in the mess hall kitchen and stealing something to eat. When they get back to their dorms, after almost losing the Mac Guffin along the way... They discover it's rotten and unedible. Since they had such a hard time on the first run... They will not try again. Fin. Set up for sequel. Entire movie is pointless.

Frankly, I can see that working rather well with the tools at my disposal. It's not the best script, but it's the one that works best for my conditions.

I think I'll start writing it tomorrow or something. Right now, you guys can pitch title ideas!
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Luke_Prowler on July 27, 2009, 01:05:45 am
Silent but deadly?
Title: Re: So I need to write a script...
Post by: Yanlin on July 27, 2009, 09:38:34 am
Nah. The best idea I had so far was Bond styled. Because frankly, half the movie is a Bond reference.

"From the mess hall with love"