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Title: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 17, 2009, 11:18:11 pm
Josh?! Creating an actual discussion topic?! It can't be...

I was recently made aware of a certain ad campaign by the guys at PennyArcarde. It's called "Think Before You Speak" and it's apparently aimed at discouraging people from using words like "gay" in a derogatory sense.

This is the website:

http://www.thinkb4youspeak.com/TheCampaign/

and I'm not entirely sure what to think. I can understand the intention, but the people that thought of this are detached from reality in the sense that they don't realize that they're combatting alienating people by alienating other people.

Also, Gabe, in the news section of the website:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2009/8/17/

Made it abundantly clear that the main offenders are people who aren't particularly predisposed to being agreeable or negotiable.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Broose on August 17, 2009, 11:29:32 pm
I don't really care for anyone who is offended that easily by misuse of a word.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Vester on August 17, 2009, 11:33:43 pm
It's just that calling someone a dyke or a fag or a homo isn't really very creative. I believe that the campaign is encouraging the Internet to use more well-thought out insults.

... or not.

Just for the record, being called a 'fag' and accused of 'man-loving' gets ironic when they do it to me. "Yeah I'm into men. What are you gonna do about it?"
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Enzo on August 17, 2009, 11:44:30 pm
(long sigh, due to never being able to resist the potentially controversial topics. How long before the wall-of-text arguments begin on this one?)

While I'm all for the sentiment of the campaign, do they think this will actually make a meaningful impact? "Hey, I bet kids will stop doing this if we tell them it's irresponsible! Everybody knows that works!"  :-\ And where is the money for this is coming from? Is this really the best way to spend it?

Admittedly, I don't come from an area with a lot of outright homophobia, but it seems a little silly to run an entire ad campaign about not calling things gay. I've caught my gay friends using it as a synonym for stupid (much to my amusement). It's just sort of in the lexicon now, like it or not.

Am I still allowed to call things retarded? :3

EDIT : Also, epic fail on shortening "B4" but not "You". If you're going to use crap like that, at least be consistent.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Neonivek on August 17, 2009, 11:48:58 pm
I have little-no respect for Penny Arcade as it is and this campaign is rather horrible as it is anyhow.

My prediction?: Infighting YAY!

I don't like gay jokes (Ohh my goodness Yu-Gi-Oh abridged just STOP!!!), I don't like people using the word gay to mean just about anything (I like picking on people who do so in real life, "So lets get this straight, this chair is homosexual?"), however I no faith in this sort of compaign that will at best turn "gay" into a trap word.

Anyhow that out of the way Id actually would be surprised if I was an Etymologist at how the term "gay" evolved. I mean it originally meant happy, then it became a word to refer to homosexuals, and now it also is a nonsense word that means something is "bad/poor/stupid", and now there is a campaign to stop people from using the word to mean one of its new meanings.

Where is the campain for make people stop using the word "Good" to mean "Well" or "Decent Quality"?

Word wise it is all very confusing... This is all without even touching words that refer to people with mental handicaps.

I have more to say, such as how successful campaigns of this type work (which isn't like this), but I really don't want to be too ranty.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Vester on August 17, 2009, 11:49:56 pm
(long sigh, due to never being able to resist the potentially controversial topics. How long before the wall-of-text arguments begin on this one?)

While I'm all for the sentiment of the campaign, do they think this will actually make a meaningful impact? "Hey, I bet kids will stop doing this if we tell them it's irresponsible! Everybody knows that works!"  :-\ And where is the money for this is coming from? Is this really the best way to spend it?

Admittedly, I don't come from an area with a lot of outright homophobia, but it seems a little silly to run an entire ad campaign about not calling things gay. I've caught my gay friends using it as a synonym for stupid (much to my amusement). It's just sort of in the lexicon now, like it or not.

Am I still allowed to call things retarded? :3

EDIT : Also, epic fail on shortening "B4" but not "You". If you're going to use crap like that, at least be consistent.

Take Bob the Angry Flower's advice and call it "Advanced".

I have a couple of gay friends who in conversation don't address each other by name. When they want to call the other one's attention it's usually "Hoy, bakla!", which is close to "Hey, faggot!" It's actually pretty funny.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Jualin on August 18, 2009, 12:08:42 am

Just for the record, being called a 'fag' and accused of 'man-loving' gets ironic when they do it to me. "Yeah I'm into men. What are you gonna do about it?"
I get the same response whenever I respond to an insult with the statement "Only for you", or other such statements of affection. Regardless of gender, it's hilarious to watch any subsequent facial expressions.

Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Zironic on August 18, 2009, 01:38:36 am
I don't care what people think. I'm an active believer in freedom of speech. If I say gay, faggot, homo or anything such then, take it in context. I have no hard feelings against people who find the same sex, both sexes attractive. I think everyone has right to feel how they want. But, when you actively tell me to stop talking how I want, I think you need to look at your ideals.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Kagus on August 18, 2009, 01:40:12 am
Whenever someone calls me gay, I just respond with "you wish", unless there's some other more appropriate response available.

I really don't give a damn *what* words people use when talking to each other, I'd rather try and get rid of the reason for using derogatory terms than removing the term itself.  Or removing a derogatory meaning from a word.  Or whatever the hell this is.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 18, 2009, 01:55:36 am
that it is a STUPID campaign.

Pretty much like the r-word campaign.

EDIT
Actually, let me rephrase it:

The faggotry of this campaign is appaling. It reminds me of that retarded initiative at www.r-word.org.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Zironic on August 18, 2009, 03:07:51 am
Words are words. As long as people don't take to the streets breaking glass and causing issues, most of the time the things people say casually are oh God!, C A S U A L.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 18, 2009, 03:29:07 am
these kind of campaigns are very much about wanting to look as if they are doing something without actually changing anything or having a real cause.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 18, 2009, 03:29:45 am
Words are words. As long as people don't take to the streets breaking glass and causing issues, most of the time the things people say casually are oh God!, C A S U A L.

and yeah, I agree.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Neonivek on August 18, 2009, 03:39:55 am
these kind of campaigns are very much about wanting to look as if they are doing something without actually changing anything or having a real cause.

Well this is Penny Arcade, so it shouldn't really be too surprising. (Are there T-Shirts related to this?)

Technically we are doing exactly what they want by referencing them. (I wish I could get a cut of their T-Shirt sales)
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Zironic on August 18, 2009, 03:59:34 am
Penny Arcade is making fun of them. It's a real cause, there are kids out there who struggle to be LGBT in an environment where people don't say nice things.. Oh wait, hello all of elementary, middle and high school for everyone.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: Toady One on August 18, 2009, 04:39:21 am
From the forum guidelines:  "Despite its prevalence on the internet, bigoted language is frowned upon here.  Do not go there."

In practice, this has extended beyond racial epithets and into some of the words that you guys are joking about here.  If you want to have this discussion, that is fine in principle, but so far it's unclear whether or not this is going to work out.  For instance:

The faggotry of this campaign is appaling.

Generally people get mutes here for using this sort of language in this way.  Whether or not you agree with the guidelines is not important to me, and I don't care about internet irony or whatever this is supposed to be.

I'm not sure what to do about this sort of topic in general.  I usually don't mind when people try to discuss things intelligently, but if this thread ends up being an idiot magnet like the sex topics, I might have to disallow this kind of discussion more broadly.

Anyway, I don't see a reason why the policy on bigoted sophomoric crap should be any different in this topic than in the others.  Please be careful with further posts or you will be muted for a number of days.
Title: Re: Think Before You Speak Campaign
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 18, 2009, 04:50:20 am
Sorry Toady! I should have given more forethought to how this thread might end up. I'll lock it.