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Title: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: qwertyuiopas on August 23, 2009, 01:52:38 pm
Just a random idea, but could the internet be improved by the creation of a customized language?

The idea would be to make a purely written language that conveys all of the important details better and faster than languages based off of speech. It would use most of the keys on the keyboard, but would refrain from the use of [] and <>, to make it BBcode and HTML compatible.



This topic is for discussing and, just maybe, the creation of such a language.


The only idea that I have that I know would work out would be to prefix "words" with \, |, and/or / to show tense, so \(something) would be past-tense, |(something) would be present, and /(something) would be future, and they could be combined such as /\(something) as the english equivalent of I will have.


Criticism? Comments? Contributions?
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: bjlong on August 23, 2009, 02:25:56 pm
Might work as a shorthand for English at the beginning, but I doubt a full language would work out.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Derakon on August 23, 2009, 02:31:19 pm
Constructed languages (conlangs) can be a lot of fun to make, but I've yet to see one catch on outside of a niche (e.g. Esperanto, Klingon). So y'know, go ahead and make it, but don't expect it to go anywhere. I personally tend to have more fun inventing glyphs (http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp/ltuae.png) for languages, which obviously wouldn't work well in this context since you're presumably sticking to the English character set.

Gauging "better" or "faster" in language is also tricky, since much of language is not objective. Clarity battles with artfulness, tact with directness.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 23, 2009, 02:40:04 pm
The only idea that I have that I know would work out would be to prefix "words" with \, |, and/or / to show tense, so \(something) would be past-tense, |(something) would be present, and /(something) would be future, and they could be combined such as /\(something) as the english equivalent of I will have.

That's not much better than prefixing using letters.

Also, your idea of "tense" is extremely limited and seems to be derived solely from English. There are more than three or four. A hell of a lot more. It really depends on the language how they're represented.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: qwertyuiopas on August 23, 2009, 03:07:02 pm
I would say I and U, should be used, but with i being self, I being the equivalent to us or we, but possibly not you(to be discussed), u being you the person, U being you the people.

A good future goal would simply be shorthand english, BUT, it could also create workarounds to some of the flaws in english. It should have a more clear structure, something that can be easier for a machine to read, and by being created, it would have a stronger, singular, simpler structure and be better designed for rapid communication.

And G-Flex, I meant time-tense, not the total collection. Unless there is scientific breakthrough in time travel, there will only ever be past, present, and future. And in the case of such breakthrough, a new language is needed anyway. And allowing multiple time-prefixes per word and only requiring them when it is not obvious would make it better suited to time-travel then standard english anyway.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 23, 2009, 03:19:13 pm
I don't know, it probably wouldn't be that good of an idea, if only because it would raise the bar for understanding things on the internet to an unprecedented new high. I mean, we ALREADY have something of a language of our own, what with our abbreviations, and acronyms, and shortening of a lot of words and ideas, this sets a wall that new people have to learn first before fully understanding what alot of people are trying to say. Now imagine that wall, and now picture how high and insurmountable it would be to new internet users when they find they have to learn an entire new language to be able to understand what people are saying. For that purpose, I have to agree that it wouldn't see much use outside of the niche that may like it personally.

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Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 23, 2009, 04:06:20 pm
And G-Flex, I meant time-tense, not the total collection. Unless there is scientific breakthrough in time travel, there will only ever be past, present, and future.

Not really. For instance: "I will have been dating John for three years." It's referring to a state regarding the past and the present that will be true in the future. Linguistics is goddamn complicated.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: qwertyuiopas on August 23, 2009, 04:09:03 pm
Covered.

That would use /\ as a prefix (future-past, the past of the future).

So, "I /\date Jhon for 3 years".

Much shorter, and a computer would have less of a problem working it out as a side effect.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 23, 2009, 04:11:20 pm
Except that doesn't distinguish between a state that's ongoing and a state that's not. The same difference between "I dated John for two years" and "I have dated John for two years".
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: bjlong on August 23, 2009, 04:16:19 pm
If I understand what he's going with, here, your statement might be translated as "I /\|date John for three years." Perhaps another mark to show ongoing actions would be appropriate? "I /\:date John for three years."

For other languages, if you have a "far past" sort of tense, you could use \\date. This says nothing about languages that have tenses that indicate sources of information, though.

For the record, using capital and lowercase letters to mean different things is a very bad idea. You have to remember that this will be used by YouTube commenters who can't find the shift key.

Also, beware of quick-speak. Look it up on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: qwertyuiopas on August 23, 2009, 04:22:32 pm
The time-prefix would be independant of such state variations.
It would be specified either in the word itself or as a distinct part of the prefix, defined at a later date.


Besides, if you can come up with a more effective system, go ahead!

This is not my idea/project, I just happened to be the first to create this topic.
This is the idea/project of everybody interested.

The point of sharing it is that people like you can find flaws or areas that need development, and maybe fill them yourself.

Interupted-By-Other-Poster-Before-Post-Edit:
This could be considered open source, but without all that stuff like a lisence.
At the moment, it is musings and somewhat entertainment that everyone is invited to join.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Virex on August 23, 2009, 07:38:17 pm
Covered.

That would use /\ as a prefix (future-past, the past of the future).

So, "I /\date Jhon for 3 years".

Much shorter, and a computer would have less of a problem working it out as a side effect.

It also lookjs backflipping ugly...

It might not seem relevant, but language is something that you'll be using a lot. And if something is forced or feels out of place you're going to notice it. Therefor, using a form of modified English will only work if the modifications feel right, irregardless of their objective merrits.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: qwertyuiopas on August 23, 2009, 08:09:46 pm
English?

It shouldn't result in a modified english.


Best case it becomes a good language, possibly to the point that it can express anything.

Better if it is in a more computer-friendly format.


If it evolved into more of a raw language that was detailed enough, most or all tranlators would work by translating to it and then to the output language.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 23, 2009, 08:14:33 pm
English?

It shouldn't result in a modified english.

Except that's exactly what you're doing, whether you know it or not, because English is your only frame of reference.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: qwertyuiopas on August 23, 2009, 08:29:12 pm
Wrong.

I know a bit of french.


And, a massive ammount of C, java, C++, basic, and others...




AND
I do not plan to do all of this myself! This is the most important part.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Derakon on August 23, 2009, 11:29:37 pm
I strongly recommend studying linguistics if you're serious about making a language. There's tons of stuff to learn about how languages work that you won't be able to take into account if your only knowledge of language is "practical" (i.e. from just using language).

That, and go find some conlang communities and hang out in them.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: ein on August 24, 2009, 02:56:50 am
Great idea, but \ and | are hard to type and wouldn't really save time for somebody who types really fast.
I would recommend using ; for stuff. Maybe " and ? too.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 24, 2009, 03:02:21 am
Wrong.

I know a bit of french.


And, a massive ammount of C, java, C++, basic, and others...

I'm sorry, but "a bit of French" (which is fairly similar to English anyway, in the big picture) isn't going to help a hell of a lot, nor are programming languages.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: IndonesiaWarMinister on August 24, 2009, 05:03:28 am
Wrong.

I know a bit of french.


And, a massive ammount of C, java, C++, basic, and others...

I'm sorry, but "a bit of French" (which is fairly similar to English anyway, in the big picture) isn't going to help a hell of a lot, nor are programming languages.

Yes, you need representives from other language families.

Like Arabic, or the Malay.

Or... Inuit? <- but still Indo-Siberian, eh.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Vester on August 24, 2009, 07:32:48 am
German is a bit closer to English than French, I think.

Also?

Latin.

You need Latin. It's the foundation of several European languages.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 24, 2009, 03:12:31 pm
Latin is a good choice because it has a fairly explicitly-complex grammar, but if you want to construct some sort of totally new language, you'll want to look at stuff that's beyond the continent your own language comes from, as someone else mentioned.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Ampersand on August 25, 2009, 01:05:03 am
The best thing I can think of for a internet is Esperanto. Think Latin with vaguely Italian pronunciation, with all of the complexity explicitly removed. You can learn the grammar, if not the dictionary in a couple of weeks of study.

On the flip side, there's Lojban. You will never say anything that could ever be ambiguous in any way. Your meaning will always be precisely conveyed by the words you use and the order in which they are organized, with a complex system of back-up articles to make things as clear as possible. Suffice it to say that most people don't bother trying.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Mulch Diggums on August 25, 2009, 03:30:48 am
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Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 25, 2009, 05:40:51 pm
The best thing I can think of for a internet is Esperanto. Think Latin with vaguely Italian pronunciation, with all of the complexity explicitly removed. You can learn the grammar, if not the dictionary in a couple of weeks of study.

On the flip side, there's Lojban. You will never say anything that could ever be ambiguous in any way. Your meaning will always be precisely conveyed by the words you use and the order in which they are organized, with a complex system of back-up articles to make things as clear as possible. Suffice it to say that most people don't bother trying.

The problem with that is that the purpose of language is to convey whatever meaning a person wants to convey.

Sometimes people want to be ambiguous, and if language is that precise then you can't state things via analogy or idiom as easily. In other words, 100%-precise language is only good when your thought is 100% precise and the ideas you want to convey are as well, which is untrue, especially if you approach anything near art.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Ampersand on August 25, 2009, 09:47:36 pm
I should rephrase it. It is not possible to cause unintentional ambiguity in Lojban. It is entirely possible to state things in that language where properties of things are left out in the open. The type of thing that is impossible in Lobjan are things like the following phrase

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

In Lojban, there is no overlap between verbs and nouns, and the precise meaning of each phrase would be clear to any reader.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 26, 2009, 01:50:30 am
There's still a problem there.

Idiomatic phrases like "Time flies" occur for a very good reason. After all, it's not as if English couldn't already represent the concept, so why would a technically-ambiguous (although not in practice) term like that arise?

It's because idiomatic, metaphorical language like that is good for understanding what someone means by something. "Flies" is associated with a certain physical process that doesn't apply to time in a technical sense, but is applied analogously in order to describe a perception of time moving fast... hell, I'm having trouble even describing what "time flies" means, because it's so easily understood idiomatically. Weird little quirky constructs like that, where the meaning of one thing is applied by analogy and association to something completely different, are important to language. You could get rid of it, but people would end up doing it again anyway eventually, or else it never would happen in the first place. The connotations and images people conjur up when they use language are just as important as the technical definitions of the words themselves.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Armok on August 26, 2009, 02:36:29 am
I think you still have it wrong, if I got it right it's more like "Time-the-fourth-dimention flies-throught-the-air alike an arrow-launched-by-a-bow.
Tephritidae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_flies) prefers to consume a banana-fruit."
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Alexhans on August 26, 2009, 08:16:00 am
Knowing a programming language is definetly NOT going to help you guys...

Languages and programming languages have just the word language in common...

I concur with whoever said that you needed a lot of linguistics knowledge...

There's so many different approaches...
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Vester on August 26, 2009, 08:22:00 am
There's still a problem there.

Idiomatic phrases like "Time flies" occur for a very good reason. After all, it's not as if English couldn't already represent the concept, so why would a technically-ambiguous (although not in practice) term like that arise?

It's because idiomatic, metaphorical language like that is good for understanding what someone means by something. "Flies" is associated with a certain physical process that doesn't apply to time in a technical sense, but is applied analogously in order to describe a perception of time moving fast... hell, I'm having trouble even describing what "time flies" means, because it's so easily understood idiomatically. Weird little quirky constructs like that, where the meaning of one thing is applied by analogy and association to something completely different, are important to language. You could get rid of it, but people would end up doing it again anyway eventually, or else it never would happen in the first place. The connotations and images people conjur up when they use language are just as important as the technical definitions of the words themselves.

Aye. It's like that old logical fallacy.

"God is love. Love is blind. Therefore God is blind."

Following if A = B and B = C, A = C.

But that's silly. The "B" term here refers to two different kinds of love in two different statements. The thing is, if spoken language weren't full of ambiguities, then this kind of fallacy would be impossible.

But I like English just the way it is.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Maggarg - Eater of chicke on August 26, 2009, 08:33:58 am
Ugh, Newspeak
Certainly not doubleplusgood.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: qwertyuiopas on August 26, 2009, 11:03:56 am
Ugh, misunderstandings.

No matter how many times I have stated it, you people completely ignore the fact that from the start I never intended to be the only one working on it, that I never thought it could totally replace anything, and that I knew enough to do it entirely myself.

Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 26, 2009, 11:43:52 am
There's still a problem there.

Idiomatic phrases like "Time flies" occur for a very good reason. After all, it's not as if English couldn't already represent the concept, so why would a technically-ambiguous (although not in practice) term like that arise?

It's because idiomatic, metaphorical language like that is good for understanding what someone means by something. "Flies" is associated with a certain physical process that doesn't apply to time in a technical sense, but is applied analogously in order to describe a perception of time moving fast... hell, I'm having trouble even describing what "time flies" means, because it's so easily understood idiomatically. Weird little quirky constructs like that, where the meaning of one thing is applied by analogy and association to something completely different, are important to language. You could get rid of it, but people would end up doing it again anyway eventually, or else it never would happen in the first place. The connotations and images people conjur up when they use language are just as important as the technical definitions of the words themselves.

Aye. It's like that old logical fallacy.

"God is love. Love is blind. Therefore God is blind."

Following if A = B and B = C, A = C.

But that's silly. The "B" term here refers to two different kinds of love in two different statements. The thing is, if spoken language weren't full of ambiguities, then this kind of fallacy would be impossible.

But I like English just the way it is.

Yeah, and you provided another example of important idiomatic language: "Love is blind". Sure, it doesn't technically make sense for the literal definition of the word "blind", but its nonliteral value is extremely concise and well-understood.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Armok on August 26, 2009, 04:55:54 pm
Except "Lovers are blind" would work just as well and make sense.

By the way, if I remember correctly something being metaphorical has a suffix or prefix or such in Loyban, so there would in effect be one word for literal medical blindness, and one for metaphorical blindness to waht is going on.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Vester on August 26, 2009, 05:24:43 pm
Except "Lovers are blind" would work just as well and make sense.

By the way, if I remember correctly something being metaphorical has a suffix or prefix or such in Loyban, so there would in effect be one word for literal medical blindness, and one for metaphorical blindness to waht is going on.

Yeah, but Lojban precludes idiomatic language (which, I'm pretty sure, is what it's for in the first place). Anyway, this is discussing a new languuge for the Internet. Would unambiguity be a good thing? What about jokes, poetry, and stories?
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 26, 2009, 05:27:33 pm
Why exactly does the internet itself need its own language? I can understand a constructed, global written language, but it would need to be as universal as possible.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 26, 2009, 05:27:59 pm
Except "Lovers are blind" would work just as well and make sense.

By the way, if I remember correctly something being metaphorical has a suffix or prefix or such in Loyban, so there would in effect be one word for literal medical blindness, and one for metaphorical blindness to waht is going on.

Yeah, but Lojban precludes idiomatic language (which, I'm pretty sure, is what it's for in the first place). Anyway, this is discussing a new languuge for the Internet. Would unambiguity be a good thing? What about jokes, poetry, and stories?

Vester has a point. How am I supposed to make all my incredibly lame puns if everything is unambiguous?
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: bjlong on August 26, 2009, 10:06:52 pm
The thing is, trade languages (which Lojban strives to be) always end up very irregular after some time, due to the wide variety of people trying to speak it for the first time. And, of course, language isn't prescriptive but descriptive, that is, language is how people talk, not how people say people should talk. The idea of being easy to learn doesn't help much--common Greek was supposedly easy to learn in the Roman times, until a few decades passed. This means that Lojban will get irregularities if it succeeds as an international language. So much for that.

Lojban will also get ambiguities, for much the same reason.

IMO, of course.

One thought is that human language allows for ambiguity because getting precision generally requires only one query and one answer, and the ambiguity means greater modularity and speed.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 26, 2009, 10:09:06 pm
And even if lojban has some sort of affix you can attach to a word to indicate that you're using metaphor, eventually somebody would leave it out in order to induce more intentionally ambiguity, or for effect of some kind. Point is, people are going to do what they want with language.

A prescriptive, constructed language can work okay, but not for general-use, and even if it's only a "trade language", you're still going to have the problems bjlong mentioned.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Ampersand on August 27, 2009, 02:51:55 am
There's also the problem of it being insanely difficult to learn. But like I said, Esperanto is a much more reasonable possibility. Anyone can learn it really. In fact it's so easy to learn, many people learn it just to learn how to learn a language. Why the love for Esperanto? Here's a conjugation of the verb Kanti, to sing.

Quote
Kantas <-Present Tense "is Singing"
Kantis  <-Past Tense "has Sang"
Kantos <-Future Tense "Will Sing"

Kanti    <-Infinitve "To Sing"
Kantu   <-Jussive "Sing!"(command)
Kantus  <-Conditional (hypothetical state of singing) Eg, "I would have (hypothetically) sang yesterday if you told me to"

Those verb endings will be the same for every single verb, no exceptions. It's not like French where there are more exceptions to the rules than verbs that fit the rules. Esperanto was designed for it's simplicity.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Derakon on August 27, 2009, 11:30:41 am
Of course, the actual trade language of the world is English, which may not be particularly easy to learn or free of ambiguity, but does have the advantage of being in actual use by a large proportion of the industrialized world.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: G-Flex on August 28, 2009, 03:04:54 am
That's only for ultimately-transient economic reasons, though, not by virtue of the language itself.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: IndonesiaWarMinister on August 28, 2009, 03:25:15 am
Of course, the actual trade language of the world is English, which may not be particularly easy to learn or free of ambiguity, but does have the advantage of being in actual use by a large proportion of the industrialized world.

My Grandfather always said it will be Chinese in the next couple decades or so...
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Ampersand on August 28, 2009, 11:41:21 am
Nonsense. As it stands China currently has a higher number of English speaking citizens than any other country in the world. Chinese, being what it is, is far too difficult for most non-native speakers to pick up, due to it's non-alphabetic nature, and complex pronunciations.

There are many languages that fall under Chinese. Mandarin and Cantonese being the most well known. Both have sounds that don't have clean analogues in other languages, which makes the learning even more difficult. English speakers would probably be most familiar with the absence of the English L and Th sounds in Japanese and some other south east Asian languages.

By the time a human is about 3 or 4, the ability for the individual to acquire new language specific sounds is effectively stunted. New grammar rules, particularly if they are vastly different from the native language, are also exceptionally difficult to acquire without years of practice.

This is why I don't see any Chinese language being a trade language any time in the future. Probably the only thing English has going for it is that English is alphabetic while Chinese languages are syllabaries.

</language nerd>
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: bjlong on August 28, 2009, 12:05:58 pm
^^^ Care to point me to a reference for the child-figure? I was under the impression that it takes children 4 to 5 years to fully master a language they have full immersion in, versus adults who can master a language in 1 to 2 years with full immersion. I thought that extended to new grammar rules and new sounds, as well. In either case, learning a language is hard.

That said, yes, the volume of new things for non-Asian-language speakers to learn would make it difficult to adopt. However, English isn't exactly a walk in the park for those speaking Asian and Indian languages--we might see the rise of two trade languages in the near future.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Ampersand on August 28, 2009, 12:35:14 pm
My college psychology textbook.

While it takes a child four to five years to learn language, before they begin to learn any language, they babble, just make noises. For the first year, they are able to babble any sound that is offered to them, like a parrot almost. After a while, though, they loose this ability, and begin to babble only the sounds that are native to their language, and soon after that, they loose the ability to gain new babble sounds. As this happens, they begin acquiring words, and grammar, locking into the 'right' way to speak according to their environment

Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: bjlong on August 28, 2009, 12:41:11 pm
I'm familiar with the loss of babble-sounds, but I thought that acquiring new sounds for adults is still reasonable. Perhaps I'm wrong, though--I'll keep an eye out for evidence.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Ampersand on August 28, 2009, 06:46:50 pm
The acquisition of new sounds for adults is possible, just much more difficult to pull off sounding natural. Once a person learns a language, they can learn -any- language generally speaking.

This is after all what accents are all about. The inability for an adult to precisely replicate language sounds in a language that is not his or her native tongue or dialect.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Psyco Jelly on August 30, 2009, 10:29:19 pm
I say we make a language called LoLjban, that is designed to be extremely ambiguous and illogical while still following rules and usable as a language.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: Ampersand on August 31, 2009, 01:59:48 am
Back on topic though, does the internet need it's own language? I say no. Broadly speaking, a language is useless if it is confined to a single medium. While there have been kinds of languages that do not have a spoken form, such as Inca Knot messages, they have obvious deficiencies for everyday communication.

What is needed instead is not necessarily a complete international universal language, but perhaps something of an intermediary language, that software systems can translate one input language into, then translating the result into the desired output. This is preferred over direct translation because of the many obvious and often hilarious problems that occur doing to overlapping meanings and spellings.

Lojban seems likely in this regard, as it's the sort of language a Computer would like, if not a human.                   

Esperanto, on the other hand has the benefit of being immediately accessible to anyone, with students able to learn it quickly from California to Vietnam. The only problem being that the creator of the language decided it necessary to create characters like ĉ, ĝ, ĥ, ĵ, ŝ, and  ŭ, the reasoning for this arising from his One Phoneme per Letter rule, rough approximations of these being Ch, like the J in Judge, ch as in Bach, as the g in Beige, Sh, and ŭ being roughly equivalent to the english w in Ow.

The ĝ and ĵ do sound rather alike, the difference being that ĝ begins with the tongue against the roof of the mouth, while ĵ does not.

The benefit of all this being that you will never not know how to pronounce a word, there are no strange pronunciation rules as in French, English, and German.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
Post by: bjlong on August 31, 2009, 03:19:09 pm
Esperanto has its own problems, notably, one phoneme often makes a huge difference in the vocabulary. More than in natural languages--it can be a problem.
Title: Re: Does the internet need it's own language?
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