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Title: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: blah28722 on August 25, 2009, 02:34:25 pm
First of all, I am a die-hard PC user and will not give Macs even the benefit of a doubt. My most extensive use of a mac involves elementary school computer class (playing Yukon Trail and typing software), turning up the brightness of a mac, and installing Bejeweled on one. I irrationally hate anyone that praises Mac.

A Mac user, in my imagination, is a hipster who couldn't turn on their computer and couldn't find a free antivirus software (minus antivirus 2009).

That said, there's definitely things that make me go "Huh, I'm really putting up with that on the PC".

My computer BSODs once every eight hours of gaming or so due to a faulty sound card. I take a break when it happens. I didn't realize that until a mac commercial claimed that you have to deal with bugs with a PC :S
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Sensei on August 25, 2009, 02:38:08 pm
MS is better dude, hands down. In spite of putting up with a lot of BS (sadly mostly related to them trying to imitate mac) you can actually change things in your system. Macs don't let you tinker, and they're basically for people who can't tinker. In other words, the Mac audience:

*People who don't want to learn computers, but need their functions
*Bigots who think learning to use a computer makes you a nerd, or buy it for the brand (in effect, BECAUSE it costs more)
*People who are too damn stupid to figure out how to make their computer run like they want it
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 25, 2009, 02:43:42 pm
 I suppose I am fortunate to not only know which cards work with my computer beforehand thanks to forward studies of reviews, but how to maintain a computer and avoid possible problems. I also save a goddam ton of money.

 While I do agree some people would rather not mess with the hassle of viruses or maintenance(Which from my understanding of reviews not made in anger, you need to turn in to a mac store to get damn well anything fixed), know it is generally a good thing to research what one is getting into.

 I am unsure what to think of Linux. I would like to try it with a more powerful computer, but the Linux users are irritating me as much as the Mac users. According to them, I should not even be on the internet with how many flaws Windows has that Linux improved upon.

 Now note these are responses to idiots of these various different operating systems. They are the most vocal about their systems and judging from the number of genuinely smart and level-headed people who use each system they must be the quiet ones. They just find they work best when on the OS of their choice, and feel others should choose their own OS's depending on their needs. No "Oh, that OS sucks. Choose mine ;D."
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Davion on August 25, 2009, 02:47:45 pm
I worked on an iMac with either OS 8 or OS 9 for four years while doing graphic design and that shit was horrible.

Never again
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Armok on August 25, 2009, 02:58:11 pm
GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX!^_^

(Edit: formatting.)
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Jack_Bread on August 25, 2009, 03:18:11 pm
My middle school only had Macs as laptops and the computer lab was closed most of the day, so during school projects, we were forced to use Mac. Pretty, but fucking horrible.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Cthulhu on August 25, 2009, 03:32:15 pm
Macs are for yuppies, Linux is for Communists, Windows is awwww'right.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Vester on August 25, 2009, 05:04:27 pm
I can't afford a Mac.

DAMN YOU APPLE!
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: LegoLord on August 25, 2009, 05:42:38 pm
I wouldn't have a problem with mac if it were possible to edit it yourself.  But no, you have to ship it off or take it to a store.  Providing that service should be enough without locking it down to those who like to tinker.

Plus, there's the incompatibility thing.  A lot of good (old) games are PC only, and if Macs became dominant, it would be too much effort just to keep up something to run the games on.  That would annoy me.
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Post by: redacted123 on August 25, 2009, 06:00:54 pm
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Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Chutney on August 25, 2009, 06:13:14 pm
I know a guy at college who uses Mac exclusively. I once said to him "So... you're basically paying a couple hundred dollars extra...to suck Apple's dick?" and he said "You know what, that's a good point. Yea that's basically it". Dead seriously. he meant every word. I don't even know what to say about that.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Sensei on August 25, 2009, 10:18:22 pm
It could just be that he assumed no rational argument would dissuade you.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Captain Hat on August 25, 2009, 10:36:52 pm
Guys, FreeBSD is obvious the king of OS's.

Spoiler: Super Reliable (click to show/hide)


Not only that, but the awesome mascot is a plus too. Being actual genetic UNIX is good too for people who care about that sort of thing.

Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Vester on August 25, 2009, 10:39:15 pm
Quote from: Chutney on August 25, 2009, 06:13:14 pm
I know a guy at college who uses Mac exclusively. I once said to him "So... you're basically paying a couple hundred dollars extra...to suck Apple's dick?" and he said "You know what, that's a good point. Yea that's basically it". Dead seriously. he meant every word. I don't even know what to say about that.

Snarky.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 25, 2009, 10:47:32 pm
All OSes have strength and weakness. Not one is better then the others.

Have fun with all 'yall verbal masturbation.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: sneakey pete on August 25, 2009, 10:51:36 pm
^ This person speaks the truth.

However, one thing i hate above all is people who have a blind hate for vista. Seriously, most have not even tried it, or tried it with the latest patches.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Vester on August 25, 2009, 11:00:36 pm
My very first OS was Windows 98. I miss it.

Vista's okay, but a bit flashy. So it eats up all my processing power just rendering my desktop.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: ein on August 26, 2009, 02:44:52 am
Yeah, having used both mac and windows, I'm of the opinion that windows is better.
Think of it this way:
Mac is the really popular fps (Halo) and windows is the game that is hated on by everybody who hasn't really tried it (any roguelike).
Also, the whole "user friendly" deal with macs.
I don't think so.
Then there's lack of support.
I want to play GearHead 2 on a windows, I just download it.
I want to play it on a mac, I have to fumble around trying to figure out how the hell I'm supposed to run FPC to compile the game.
And the aforementioned lack of tinkering.
Macs aren't really all that great, they just look nice.
Hell, I use a microsoft wireless mouse with my mac. It works way better than the mighty mouse.
Why one button? 3 is way better. I can right click, scroll, and middle click.
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Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: sneakey pete on August 26, 2009, 03:19:27 am
Quote from: Vester on August 25, 2009, 11:00:36 pm
My very first OS was Windows 98. I miss it.

Vista's okay, but a bit flashy. So it eats up all my processing power just rendering my desktop.

Your computer must be really shit if its eating up processing power rendering a few bars :P

More likely you mean its utilizing more ram, however that's no problem as it drops everything that's not dedicated to the new task out of the ram the instant you make actual use of it.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Vester on August 26, 2009, 03:31:51 am
Quote from: sneakey pete on August 26, 2009, 03:19:27 am
Quote from: Vester on August 25, 2009, 11:00:36 pm
My very first OS was Windows 98. I miss it.

Vista's okay, but a bit flashy. So it eats up all my processing power just rendering my desktop.

Your computer must be really shit if its eating up processing power rendering a few bars :P

More likely you mean its utilizing more ram, however that's no problem as it drops everything that's not dedicated to the new task out of the ram the instant you make actual use of it.

Actually, you got it right the first time. My laptop is absolute shit. :(

(I understand, however, that that's my fault for buying an ass-laptop with vista installed. I should have sprung for an older OS instead, like XP)
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Armok on August 26, 2009, 03:44:15 am
Quote from: ein on August 26, 2009, 02:44:52 am
Mac is the really popular fps (Halo) and windows is the game that is hated on by everybody who hasn't really tried it (any roguelike).
No, it's more like Mac is Dance Dance Revolution, Windows is Spore, and Linux is the Rougelike.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 26, 2009, 03:50:30 am
Quote from: Armok on August 26, 2009, 03:44:15 am
Quote from: ein on August 26, 2009, 02:44:52 am
Mac is the really popular fps (Halo) and windows is the game that is hated on by everybody who hasn't really tried it (any roguelike).
No, it's more like Mac is Dance Dance Revolution, Windows is Spore, and Linux is the Rougelike.
Spore = Vista.
 Source Engine = XP.
 A VERY important difference.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Sensei on August 26, 2009, 04:01:39 am
How the hell is Mac like Halo? Not only is halo literally by/for PC, it's not populated by empowered (sic: confused) snobs.

Anyway, what about Win7? I've been hearing good things about it; supposedly it's just what Vista was supposed to be.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: IndonesiaWarMinister on August 26, 2009, 04:10:53 am
Quote from: Armok on August 25, 2009, 02:58:11 pm
GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX!^_^

(Edit: formatting.)


This.

Except... Use XP for your games!
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Muz on August 26, 2009, 04:51:24 am
I have Vista and I hate it (http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii89/smuz86/vistasucks.png). 196 MB of RAM, seriously? I didn't have Acrobat Reader open at that time, but if I did, it'd show that it's using up 60 MB of RAM at the time.

I don't like the direction that Windows is going. They're just going more and more memory inefficient in time, and that's a waste of a whole lot of resources. For one thing, they're spurring on progress, but then again, they're wasting it.

I hate the way Mac goes even more, rather arrogant, ever since they stepped into the industry.

Linux is the exact opposite of Windows, I suppose.. a good and bad thing at once.

Soooo.. yeah. I'm gonna stick with Windows because I could say "Open Winamp" into a microphone, and it'd do just that. No need to click! Ease of use FTW.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Mephisto on August 26, 2009, 07:24:36 am
Quote from: Armok on August 25, 2009, 02:58:11 pm
GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX! GNU/LINUX!^_^

(Edit: formatting.)
http://www.archlinux.org/
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: florian on August 26, 2009, 09:53:09 am
Y'know what? I use an iMac and it sucks. But it sucks less than everything else. The UI sucks, but less so than Windows' UI, and everything looks so much nicer. The application model and the dock and the finder and Safari all have major problems but still are much better and nicer than anything found on Windows. The only thing that is seriously worse than Windows is the Mac way of installing applications.

I've used Linux before and it was nice, but Mac OS X gives me the same amount of power with much less hassle.

And last but not least: The design! It is wonderful!
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: IHateOutside on August 26, 2009, 10:09:15 am
The problem with vista is everyone jumped on the bandwagon and sold shitty computers with it on. My parents bought a packard bell pc from pc world with vista. It has 1gb ram and 1.8Ghz dual core processor. I could make a cup of tea while it loads. When my dad can be bothered, i'm gonna help install xp back on. Also windows 2000 = my second favourite os, after xp. Yes, i have been on a mac a few times. The person who actually owned had bought a pirated copy of xp to play the sims 2 on. I loled.
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Post by: redacted123 on August 26, 2009, 10:12:44 am
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Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: IHateOutside on August 26, 2009, 10:16:18 am
The guy was a dick. nuff said.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Chutney on August 26, 2009, 12:52:27 pm
Quote from: Sensei on August 25, 2009, 10:18:22 pm
It could just be that he assumed no rational argument would dissuade you.
Nah, because a few weeks later someone else tried to convince me Mac was better than Windows, and I pulled that one out, he actually gave reasons why he thought it was worth paying more. I wasn't convinced that Mac was better than Windows, but I did give it to him that he had good arguments though I forget what they were. :/

Also, the first person I mentioned, had windows installed on his mac and that's one of the reasons he claimed mac was better. "Best of both worlds!"...by shelling out the cash for both worlds...
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: LegoLord on August 26, 2009, 05:39:08 pm
What these things really need more than anything else is simpler program compatability.  I'm sure there are more programs than just games that are exclusive to one operating system, and several of them could be very useful.

Then each company should offer the kind of repair service Mac has, but also offer the personal freedom to do with the system what you will that Windows does.  Then throw in any other good features other systems might have.

If that can all be done, then the question is not which system can do what, but what each system's strengths are; they'd all be able to do anything you might need, just some might work better for certain tasks than others.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what google was trying to do with its OS.  I need to look into that more.  I heard about it once from my brother, and haven't heard anything since.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: blah28722 on August 26, 2009, 05:56:04 pm
I'm somewhat excited about Chrome OS. From what I've read, it's supposed to boot up and be ready to go within 10 seconds, as well as being immune to viruses (more so than the mac way)

If they followed their pattern with Chrome, it would also be open source.

Fairly exciting concept, actually.
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: Sensei on August 26, 2009, 06:15:13 pm
Open source = Viruses, if it gets popular.

Anyway, supposedly Win7 takes up less power than Vista, whilst being slicker/more functional (not in any massive way) as well. So I'd safely all Vista a fuckup.

Macs just don't realize that they suck... 'How could anything so expensive suck? Obviously it's the better brand!'
Title: Re: The Mac and Windows thread.
Post by: LegoLord on August 26, 2009, 06:45:17 pm
Quote from: Sensei on August 26, 2009, 06:15:13 pm
Open source = Viruses, if it gets popular.
And a lot of other things that are harder to do without open source.

Although, my major tinkering concern is being able to open up the computer and replace parts myself; assemble something myself, even if it's nothing fancy.  Having to spend extra money to get it sent away, looked at, and repaired seems really inefficient to me when I know (enough about) what to do.  For other people who don't, having that service available is a good idea, but forcing everyone to use it just by the way your machine is designed is a terrible idea.