Post by: Enzo on October 01, 2009, 10:50:35 pm
D&D Session 4
Well fuck
Well fuck
So, what's going on here? A Dungeons and Dragons campaign using the 3.5e core rules, in a generic fantasy world, running on GameTable (http://gametable.galactanet.com/). That's about all there is to it right now.
If you want to be added to the waiting list just say so and you're on. I'm only letting in 6 PCs play at a time, but people drop out and characters die, so there's no harm getting your name on the list. Even though it's massive at this point.
Current Player List:
CJ1145
Leafsnail
Rooster
userpay
Dakk
Akigagak
Waiting List:
Emperor_Jonathan
Jervous
Gorjo MacGrymm
Muz
Jetsquirrel
theevilmonk
Rashilul
RAM
alfie275
Spoiler: Character Creation Rules (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: PROTIPS (click to show/hide)
And I think that's about all the information required. I was just going to make a sample character sheet but I have to go so I'll do it later. Just make it legibly formatted. If you've never played before and you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Post by: Enzo on October 01, 2009, 10:51:11 pm
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Spoiler: Availabilities (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Maps (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Pantheon (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 01, 2009, 11:01:57 pm
Just in case someone doesn't want to use the chargenner. :\
Post by: userpay on October 01, 2009, 11:15:00 pm
edit:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Tool.aspx?x=dnd/4new/tool/characterbuilder
Found that the 3.5 builder for the site you gave was further down the page, my bad. So I assume that 1, we can't do say a half fire or earth dwarf, and two we will buy the extra stuff in game so I only selected my weapon.
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Post by: Muz on October 02, 2009, 12:03:25 am
I think there's been a D&D game on the B12 forums before which didn't work out. Let's hope this one does ;)
Post by: Jetsquirrel on October 02, 2009, 12:13:08 am
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 12:14:44 am
Add this (http://invisiblecastle.com/stats/) to protips. It lets the player link you what they got for their rolls.
Just in case someone doesn't want to use the chargenner. :\
Oh, you don't need to use the chargenner I linked. Hell, you could roll it by hand if you want. Whatever way you do it though it pretty much has to be honour system :-\ You can reroll that one you linked as many times as you want too...
edit:wait so we are using 4th edition rules? If we are we just might want to use the char builder from dnd insider
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Tool.aspx?x=dnd/4new/tool/characterbuilder
Found that the 3.5 builder for the site you gave was further down the page, my bad. So I assume that 1, we can't do say a half fire or earth dwarf, and two we will buy the extra stuff in game so I only selected my weapon.
Did I not say 3.5e in the OP? Gah, I was rushing it. No half-elementals or vampires or ghosts or any of those templates. I don't want to open that door. Regarding gear, you can buy your things before we start based on the prices listed in the link. I might start you guys in a small village where you can't buy much anyway.
I think there's been a D&D game on the B12 forums before which didn't work out. Let's hope this one does ;)
Yeah, Cthulhu had one, at the very least. Probably were other attempts. We'll see how this goes.
Waiting List + Muz and Jetsquirrel
Post by: userpay on October 02, 2009, 12:22:33 am
edit: Just relized that I should have done a battleaxe instead of a handaxe, ah well I'll change it tommarrow.
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 12:31:09 am
Post by: theevilmonk on October 02, 2009, 01:20:16 am
Post by: Rooster on October 02, 2009, 03:51:32 am
IN case we're playing on gametable or any other NON-MSN (I don't use this and won't )
I'm in Poland europe. As I'm posting this it's 10:50
I'm availble on weekends and tuesdays from 12-24 my time.
We have to synchronise somehow
I'll generate the character a little bit later
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 04:36:49 am
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Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 06:20:13 am
If you'd prefer not to have him along for the ride, I can roll a better character.
Post by: Vester on October 02, 2009, 06:24:09 am
Ok, had a go at making a character. Rolled like you said, with 3d6, but I'm 95% sure I got something else badly wrong (probably the equipment - I just sortof guessed for it. Feel free to suggest changes if I've taken too much of it or buggered something else up). Never mind, here's what I got.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That's too bad about your 11 Wis though. You'll only get the first level Paladin spells (unless my memory of the rules is horrifyingly off.)
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on October 02, 2009, 06:27:45 am
I've got my perfect character up and ready to post, but before I do, I should ask: Does anyone here mind that my character's personality is based off Richard the Warlock from Looking For Group? As in, a Chaotic Evil character that enjoys wholesale slaughter more than any living being should?
As long as the wholesale slaughter is not the party (/allies) then I reckon they'll accept you :P
Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 06:29:09 am
Spoiler: Richard! (click to show/hide)
Also, I've never played a wizard, so the sheet confuses me: Since I specialized, am I restricted to only using Necromancy spells, or can I prepare others as well?
EDIT: I forgot, I spent my money based on objects listed in the SRD site, not the character genner. Here's all the stuff I spent:
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Post by: Vester on October 02, 2009, 06:30:07 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 06:33:09 am
And 5hp? Jesus. Even my awfully constructed pally has 4x that.
Erm, will my Super Virtuous Pally try to kill his Mega Evil Necro? Hmm... might need to reconsider my choices.
Post by: Vester on October 02, 2009, 06:43:07 am
That way you could consider his Mega Evil Necro a means to an end. Like fighting fire with fire. Except here it's fighting evil with evil.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 06:44:21 am
You could always play as a http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KnightTemplar (http://knight templar) (link for people who do not know the dangers of TvTropes).
That way you could consider his Mega Evil Necro a means to an end. Like fighting fire with fire. Except here it's fighting evil with evil.
No, I'm pretty sure there'll be fire involved. The first one was fine.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 06:58:10 am
And by the way, the logic for my choice was as follows...
1. I'm new at this.
2. Therefore I'll suck.
3. Therefore I'll take lots of damage.
4. Therefore I'll need lots of hp and stuff to stop me dying quite as quickly.
And... that's about it.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 07:19:43 am
Spoiler: Sissy McDogooder (click to show/hide)
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 07:27:52 am
Post by: Vester on October 02, 2009, 07:32:10 am
Yeah, sounds good. Fine with resurrections and stuff as long as they destroy the vaguely defined evil we're fighting against. Paladins have to be Lawful Good, right?
And by the way, the logic for my choice was as follows...
1. I'm new at this.
2. Therefore I'll suck.
3. Therefore I'll take lots of damage.
4. Therefore I'll need lots of hp and stuff to stop me dying quite as quickly.
And... that's about it.
The thing about paladins is that RP'ing them is essentially the difference between RP'ing Qui Gon Jinn and Mace Windu. Some might bend the rules in name of good, and some are just all murderdeathkill all over the bad guys, even when doing so is in direct contradiction of their own rules. (Episode III was a car wreck for me.)
Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 07:56:10 am
I'll stick to my poorly made one, thanks. It may be crap, but it's mine :P.
What? No, I meant for me to play. But I think I'll probably stick with Richard.
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 08:13:22 am
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Yes, a fighter with a greatsword.
I've just realized I got a shield, whoops, don't need that. I've changed it for a sling, and some bullets.
Post by: Neruz on October 02, 2009, 08:28:57 am
Ok, had a go at making a character. Rolled like you said, with 3d6, but I'm 95% sure I got something else badly wrong (probably the equipment - I just sortof guessed for it. Feel free to suggest changes if I've taken too much of it or buggered something else up). Never mind, here's what I got.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
How is he 'known for fighting to the death'? Done it alot has he?
By the way, you're going to want a 14 in Wisdom to cast all the Paladin spells, unless you're willing to start with an 11 in Wisdom and just boost it at every available opportunity.
Post by: Vester on October 02, 2009, 08:32:28 am
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Yes, a fighter with a greatsword.
Awesome archetypes are awesome.
Someone's going to make a Dwarven Ranger with Racial Hatred: Elves, probably. :D
Post by: Neruz on October 02, 2009, 08:33:45 am
Yeah, sounds good. Fine with resurrections and stuff as long as they destroy the vaguely defined evil we're fighting against. Paladins have to be Lawful Good, right?
And by the way, the logic for my choice was as follows...
1. I'm new at this.
2. Therefore I'll suck.
3. Therefore I'll take lots of damage.
4. Therefore I'll need lots of hp and stuff to stop me dying quite as quickly.
And... that's about it.
The thing about paladins is that RP'ing them is essentially the difference between RP'ing Qui Gon Jinn and Mace Windu. Some might bend the rules in name of good, and some are just all murderdeathkill all over the bad guys, even when doing so is in direct contradiction of their own rules. (Episode III was a car wreck for me.)
The trick to Paladining is to know the difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Post by: Neruz on October 02, 2009, 08:39:09 am
Also, if you really want to be a Negromancer, be a Cleric, not a Wizard. Wizards suck at Negromancery. (it's useful to them as a means to get bodies to perform menial tasks and whatnot if they're planning on setting up shop somewhere, and with the right multiclassing and prestige classing you can get a decent necrowizard going, but the Cleric is far superior in almost all respects.)
I can point you to some wonderful guides on how to be a Negromancer and not suck big hairy gorilla balls, as 3.5 seems to be very carefully crafted so as to provide the illusion of being able to be a competant Negromancer and contribute to the party without actually doing so. The designers were (and still are) very big on playing the good guys, and they never really liked giving people bad guy options (as shown by the fact that they generally suck.)
But Negromancery is hard, very hard, i highly reccomend that you do not persue that path until you've gotten a decent mastery of the system. If you're determined though, then know that Negrowizards are basically 'death dealers' in that they throw around lots of nasty death effects and debuffs, but don't expect to command an Undead Army. If you want an Undead Army, you're gonna hafta be a Cleric, at least to start with.
Post by: Rooster on October 02, 2009, 08:57:59 am
(Read story, I think I finally made a climatic character)
I think I got pretty good rolls three good ones (17,15,15) and three bad ones wich I gave to stats I don't need anyway so yeah! I'll kick asses just to get my booze!
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Post by: userpay on October 02, 2009, 09:28:32 am
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 09:35:16 am
Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 09:48:55 am
Also, because people seem so determined to not have me be a Necromancer, and because Clerics seem like a pain in the ass to prepare spells with, I went with a simple Fighter.../Ranger.
Spoiler: ??? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 09:51:04 am
And we are going to need a healer.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 10:04:22 am
Simo Goodman (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=157353)
M CN Human Rogue, Level 1, Init +3, HP 7/7, Speed 30 ft.
AC 15, Touch 13, Flat-footed 12, Fort +1, Ref +5, Will +0, Base Attack Bonus 0
Short Sword -1 (1d6-1, 19-20 x2)
Sling (20 Bullets) +3 (1d4-1, x2)
Leather Armor (+2 Armor, +3 Dex)
Abilities Str 9, Dex 17, Con 12, Int 13, Wis 11, Cha 13
Condition None
There's my character. The full sheet is at the link, and I have the pathguy version if you guys would rather I use that.
Did it over, we're good now.
As for time available, this is my schedule
Monday-College from 5-8:50
Tuesday-College from 1-2:15 and 7-9:15
Wednesday-College from 7-8:50
Thursday-Same as Tuesday
Friday and the weekend I'm free, except today. I have important business today.
All times are GMT-5
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 12:48:58 pm
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I'm availiable everyday from 9am to 4pm, and 70% of the time after 9pm.
EDIT: You know what, fuck that quarterstaff, i'm going unarmed like a true wisdom monk.
EDIT2: Added money info.
EDIT3: Fixed items.
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 01:16:45 pm
userpay - Dwarf Fighter
Leafsnail - Dwarf Paladin
CJ1145 - Half-Elf Necromancer or Human Paladin or Half-Elf Fighter (???)
Rooster - Half-Orc Barbarian
Cthulhu - Human Rogue
chaoticjosh - may or may not actually want to play
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Dakk - Dwarf Monk
Akigagak - Human Fighter
You guys need some healin' for that tankin'. I'll get to updating the OP with availabilities and character sheets a bit later, I have to do some stuffs today.
I'm reserving half-orc barbarian. Just in case so there won't be a party of regular mercenaries
So...if you don't want to be mercenaries (which, I'll be honest, is my fallback when I can't think of something better), do you guys have another reasonable excuse for why you're traveling together? Prison escapees? Royal task force? Treasure hunters? Deserters? Something more interesting?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 01:35:56 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 01:37:58 pm
And yes, Paladins are restricted from knowingly associating with Evil characters.
Also, if you really want to be a Negromancer, be a Cleric, not a Wizard. Wizards suck at Negromancery. (it's useful to them as a means to get bodies to perform menial tasks and whatnot if they're planning on setting up shop somewhere, and with the right multiclassing and prestige classing you can get a decent necrowizard going, but the Cleric is far superior in almost all respects.)
I can point you to some wonderful guides on how to be a Negromancer and not suck big hairy gorilla balls, as 3.5 seems to be very carefully crafted so as to provide the illusion of being able to be a competant Negromancer and contribute to the party without actually doing so. The designers were (and still are) very big on playing the good guys, and they never really liked giving people bad guy options (as shown by the fact that they generally suck.)
But Negromancery is hard, very hard, i highly reccomend that you do not persue that path until you've gotten a decent mastery of the system. If you're determined though, then know that Negrowizards are basically 'death dealers' in that they throw around lots of nasty death effects and debuffs, but don't expect to command an Undead Army. If you want an Undead Army, you're gonna hafta be a Cleric, at least to start with.
I'm not sure if this is a hilarious string of typos, or if there's such a thing as "Negromancy".
And yes, I'll play.
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 01:44:25 pm
You guys better put CJ to watch that rogue closely. Also, its not impossible to play without a priest, its just easier. And I'm not a fighter, I'm a monk, its like, different!
Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 01:47:13 pm
So, it looks like...
userpay - Dwarf Fighter
Leafsnail - Dwarf Paladin
CJ1145 - Half-Elf Necromancer or Human Paladin or Half-Elf Fighter (???)
Rooster - Half-Orc Barbarian
Cthulhu - Human Rogue
chaoticjosh - may or may not actually want to play
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Dakk - Dwarf Monk
Akigagak - Human Fighter
You guys need some healin' for that tankin'. I'll get to updating the OP with availabilities and character sheets a bit later, I have to do some stuffs today.I'm reserving half-orc barbarian. Just in case so there won't be a party of regular mercenaries
So...if you don't want to be mercenaries (which, I'll be honest, is my fallback when I can't think of something better), do you guys have another reasonable excuse for why you're traveling together? Prison escapees? Royal task force? Treasure hunters? Deserters? Something more interesting?
How about "You all meet in a tavern"? ::)
But yeah, I've decided that I'm going to stick with that fighter I made. If it'll help you, I'll delete the other character sheets.
And if absolutely NOBODY wants to be a healer, I'll make a cleric on two conditions:
1. You all accept the fact that your healer is a newb whose only experience with alchemy and similar practices is watching Full Metal Alchemist.
2. You all accept the fact that your healer is as likely to save your life as fail to, and then re-animate your corpse to serve as his thrall.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 01:48:00 pm
Can someone give me a little help in making my character sheet, or whatever it's called?
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 01:50:27 pm
@CJ1145 I'm fine with reanimated copses provided they don't take up a PC spot.
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 01:50:53 pm
Also, no one with huge intelligence, charisma or wisdom to watch the rogue, there goes all loot. There's my monk, but he's on the waiting list.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 01:55:22 pm
Oh, and by the way, I don't have much experience with healing either. Hmm... Is it inherently harder than beating the crap out of stuff?
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 02:00:06 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 02:12:31 pm
Anyway, stats:
Strength-Affects carrying capacity, melee attack and damage rolls, strength-related skills
Dexterity-Ranged attack and damage rolls, dexterity-skills, melee rolls with weapon finesse, reflex saves
Constitution-HP, Fortitude saves, if it hits zero you die.
Intelligence-Intelligence skills, roleplaying, wizard spells
Wisdom-Will Saves, paladin, druid, cleric spells, roleplaying(Common sense and ability to read people, mostly)
Charisma-Dealings with other people, sorcerer(And bard?) spells, roleplaying(Glibness, talking ability)
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 02:13:22 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 02:17:29 pm
Hmm... Is it inherently harder than beating the crap out of stuff?
Everything is harder than beating the crap out of stuff, because beating the crap out of stuff usually just amounts to "I ROLL TO ATTACK KOBOLD" (until later levels, at least). Divine spellcasters aren't that tough to play though, this might help (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Divine_Spells).
Can someone explain what stats do? There doesn't seem to be a simple explanation. Also, what would be the "hit stuff really hard" race?
Half-Orcs like to smash things. Double ninja'd on answering your other question.
Oh, and regarding the character creator I linked josh, don't feel like you're missing anything if you're skipping over half the options. It includes a lot of supplementary stuff we aren't using.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 02:22:46 pm
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Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 02:31:29 pm
EDIT : I would suggest Combat Casting for one of them. It's not essential, but it'll help keep your spells from failing in the middle of battle.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 02:59:21 pm
PIXIE ALL THE WAY!
Maybe something along the lines of an offensive spellcaster.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 03:06:34 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 03:11:57 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 03:12:52 pm
What would be an 'allowed' race? The big ones at the top?
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 03:13:14 pm
I never roleplayed a wise character, much less a evil monk, so any tips are welcome.
Post by: theevilmonk on October 02, 2009, 03:18:34 pm
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Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 03:30:30 pm
Please please please we don't need another hit stuff really hard character.
Anyway, stats:
Constitution-HP, Fortitude saves, if it hits zero you die.
Stop right there, Cutethulu! I might have the wrong version, but when I last played and you hit 0 hp you were incapacitated. You only died if you were hit down to, or bled out to -10 hp. Could someone confirm or deny?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 03:34:49 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 03:39:02 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 03:41:40 pm
Example: My rogue doesn't have one rank in Perform(1), he has one rank in Perform(Lively Drinking Songs)
As for races, the base ones are human, elf, gnome, halfling, half-orc, half-elf, and dwarf.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 03:44:01 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 03:45:34 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 03:47:25 pm
Odd, you should totally be able to put at least 2/4 points in spellcraft from level 1.
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 03:49:07 pm
I honestly don't know what the skill check-boxes are for in that character creator, you select the number of ranks to invest in a skill from the drop down menu to the right of the skill name. "cross class" means ranks cost twice as many skill points.
I know, that character creator has to be confusing as hell if you don't know what you're trying to do, I just don't know of anything better.
EDIT : whoops! From above the skills section on the character creator :
Quote
If for some reason a skill marked as cross-class needs to be a class skill, check the box in front of its name.So yeah. Don't use those I guess.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 03:54:04 pm
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I understand if I suck totally. Will accept advice.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 03:57:14 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 04:02:38 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 02, 2009, 04:02:52 pm
We're for that!
That skill and craft talk: I have 4 ranks in craft(alcohol) and profession(brewer). Yeah I know I'm crazy. Skillpoints are worthless on low int anyway.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 04:03:34 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 04:05:48 pm
I should be decent at healing too, if I have some healing kits.
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 04:18:01 pm
He doesn't have to beat the stuffing out of people on low level really.
We're for that!
That skill and craft talk: I have 4 ranks in craft(alcohol) and profession(brewer). Yeah I know I'm crazy. Skillpoints are worthless on low int anyway.
Ah, I was just looking at your sheet and wondering about that. What's the difference between crafting alcohol and brewing?
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 04:18:11 pm
Post by: theevilmonk on October 02, 2009, 04:21:01 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 04:28:07 pm
on Josh's character sheet he has too many diplomacy ranks, its a cross class skill so its impossible to have 4 ranks in it right now
He gets +2 from his feat.
Post by: theevilmonk on October 02, 2009, 04:44:51 pm
also persuasiveness is only +2 to bluff and intimidate
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 04:47:27 pm
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Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 04:48:15 pm
@Leafsnail: Spellcasters in D&D get certain slots for different spell levels. You start with 3 (or 5, don't remember) slots for level 0 clerig spells of the domain you chose at level 1, 1 or 2 for level 1 spells too, don't remember quite well. When you level up, you gain more slots for spells.
You see, D&D has lots and lots of spells, but you can only cast those you pre-memorize, those slots represent the number of spells you can memorize of a certain level that you can memorize at a time. So you can't just cast all spells you know, just the ones you pre memorized. You also have a certain number of casts per day, if you have 3 for level 0 spells, this means you can cast each level 0 spell up to 3 times a day. Spells you put in your slots are automatically recharged after you finish resting or a day passes.
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 04:53:30 pm
Post by: theevilmonk on October 02, 2009, 04:54:03 pm
hate to complain so much but it bothered me ><
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 04:58:46 pm
then it should say +2+2+2 not +2+4
also persuasiveness is only +2 to bluff and intimidate
+2 comes from stats, anything beyond that is added into the calc as a single number, this being skill points and feats. That 4 represents the +2 from skill points and the +2 the feat gives.
No, he's right, persuasive doesn't add to diplomacy. My bad. Josh must have checked the box beside Diplomacy and made it not-cross-class. No biggie though, we just change it to 2.
Leafsnail : Looks good. Stored spells...every day you have to prepare your spells by praying. So, say, at level one you prepare one casting of Light, Mending, Virtue, Cause Fear and Bless. If you need to cast a healing spell, you can cast it instead of another spell of the same level. So you could cast Cure Light Wounds (level 1) whenever you want but you would lose your casting of Bless or Cause Fear (both level 1) for the day. Does that make sense?
How close are we to an actual game?
I'm working on it. I only volunteered like yesterday. :P I've mostly figured out GameTable but I should draw maps and stuff before we start. I'll probably mostly end up winging it but I would like to be at least slightly prepared. If the current players would like to speed it all up you can format your character sheets for me the way I did Roosters in the updated second post so I don't have to do them all, or at least the skills, so I can actually read them.
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 05:04:11 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 05:04:48 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 05:09:34 pm
EDIT: No, wait, I understand now. I get 3 level 0 spells of my choice, 1 level 1 spell of my choice and 1 level one spell that's tied to my domains (I think I choose Healing and Good as my domains, so that should be fine).
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 05:13:18 pm
EDIT: Hah. Yes, you understand. But you also get an additional level 1 for high wisdom that I forgot about.
Copy them onto Myth Weavers (http://www.myth-weavers.com) character sheets. They're way better.
But...but...I'd have to sign up :(! I'll check it out.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 05:16:36 pm
And how does the Wisdom bonus works? I guessed I might've got a bonus for having 16 wisdom, but does having higher wisdom levels get you more?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 05:18:23 pm
These are your domains.
Good Domain
Granted Power
You cast good spells at +1 caster level.
Good Domain Spells
Protection from Evil: +2 to AC and saves, counter mind control, hedge out elementals and outsiders.
Aid: +1 on attack rolls, +1 on saves against fear, 1d8 temporary hp +1/level (max +10).
Magic Circle against Evil: As protection spells, but 10-ft. radius and 10 min./level.
Holy Smite: Damages and blinds evil creatures.
Dispel Evil: +4 bonus against attacks by evil creatures.
Blade Barrier: Wall of blades deals 1d6/level damage.
Holy Word F: Kills, paralyzes, slows, or deafens nongood subjects.
Holy Aura: +4 to AC, +4 resistance, and SR 25 against evil spells.
Summon Monster IX*: Calls extraplanar creature to fight for you.
*Cast as a good spell only.
Healing Domain
Granted Power
You cast healing spells at +1 caster level.
Healing Domain Spells
Cure Light Wounds: Cures 1d8 damage +1/level (max +5).
Cure Moderate Wounds: Cures 2d8 damage +1/level (max +10).
Cure Serious Wounds: Cures 3d8 damage +1/level (max +15).
Cure Critical Wounds: Cures 4d8 damage +1/level (max +20).
Cure Light Wounds, Mass: Cures 1d8 damage +1/level (max +25) for many creatures.
Heal: Cures 10 points/level of damage, all diseases and mental conditions.
Regenerate: Subject’s severed limbs grow back, cures 4d8 damage +1/level (max +35).
Cure Critical Wounds, Mass: Cures 4d8 damage +1/level (max +40) for many creatures.
Heal, Mass: As heal, but with several subjects.
The +1 caster level, of course, means that you'll be treated as a cleric of one level higher than your actually cleric level for the purpose of determining how powerful a spell is. A level one healing cleric would heal 1d8+2 damage instead of 1d8+1 with cure light wounds.
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 05:19:23 pm
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Healing_domain (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Healing_domain)
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Good_Domain (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Good_Domain)
I can't seem to find this chart on the D&D wiki, but I think this is correct for bonus spells:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Ability_modifier (http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Ability_modifier)
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 05:26:11 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 05:27:14 pm
Arn't we using 3.5 standard?
Not 3.5e, which is the closest option.
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 05:32:36 pm
Ah, thanks very much. Glad I picked Healing, that looks like the most useful domain to me, hehe. Actually, since my wisdom is 14+2, according to the chart I get a bonus level 1, 2 and 3 spell. Does this mean I'm allowed to pick a level 2 and a level 3 spell? Seems like a silly question, but without the bonus I wouldn't be able to do level 2 or 3 spells at all...
It's not actually 14 + 2, It's 14. The +2 is your modifier - the bonus it gives to things like skills and saves. You can see the modifier on the chart goes up as the ability score goes up...I uh...I hope this is not all confusing. 10/11 is average, they give no bonus, 12/13 gives a +1 bonus, 14/15 is +2, etc...
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 05:35:13 pm
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Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2009, 05:36:10 pm
And I'll try to get the proper character sheet up soon.
Post by: Vester on October 02, 2009, 07:16:52 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 07:22:42 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 02, 2009, 07:30:07 pm
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Skills (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Skills)
Post by: Vester on October 02, 2009, 07:31:27 pm
It's basically the entire 3.5 ruleset. (I think)
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 08:23:24 pm
@Cthulhu:
Arn't we using 3.5 standard?
Not 3.5e, which is the closest option.
Uhhh, E stands for edition.
Unless I'm really confused.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 08:25:05 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 02, 2009, 08:30:55 pm
@Cthulhu:
Arn't we using 3.5 standard?
Not 3.5e, which is the closest option.
Uhhh, E stands for edition.
Unless I'm really confused.
That was my understanding as well.
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 08:42:29 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 08:51:18 pm
Post by: userpay on October 02, 2009, 08:51:24 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 08:53:22 pm
Just to clear up any possible confusion on my part, what does "cross-class" mean?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 08:56:47 pm
Ranks, that is.
Example:
I have a wizard. He has however many skill points. Spellcraft is a class skill, so I can put four points in spellcraft at level 1, giving me four ranks. Open Lock, however, is not a class skill for wizards. I can only get two ranks in open lock, and it costs four skill points to get those two ranks. Of course, if I'm getting open lock on a wizard, I'm doing it wrong.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 08:59:10 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 02, 2009, 09:00:34 pm
The char builder says checking the box changes a skill from cross-class to class, I have no idea why that option's available since it's not allowed. That might be why. So ignore the check boxes.
"Cross class" skills are skills that your chosen class wouldn't normally be proficient in. You have to spend 2 skill points to get a one rank (the effective bonus) in a cross class skill, whereas class skills are a 1:1 ratio. The maximum number of ranks you can get for a cross-class skill is also half that of a class skill. But cthulhu beat me to that part >_>
Mind if I redo my character sheet? After reading up a little, I'd like to change things.
Yeah that's fine. Nothing's set in stone yet. If you're going for social skills and magic, you could always be a Sorcerer. They cast spells using sexy power.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 09:06:40 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 02, 2009, 09:07:22 pm
Fun Fact #2: The healing domain sucks balls. You don't have enough Cleric spells to make preparing healing spells worthwhile at anything except low levels, additionally monsters will do far more damage in 1 round than you can heal in 1 round, don't bother healing people in combat except to stabilise them; you're better off killing the monsters and healing outside of combat with Fun Fact #3
Fun Fact #3: Wands of Cure Light Wounds are your friend. They're very cheap and come with 50 charges of 1d8+1 healing (you can increase the + for more golds, but it's not worth it, you're better off buying another wand). Cure Light wands are basically health batteries that you burn up outside of combat to keep everyone on their toes so as to avoid the inevitable "Monster critted the Fighter and now i'm out of healing spells so it's time to call it a day" scenario that you will otherwise run into.
Although this looks like a pretty newby game, so it's probably not worth bothering with optimisation, just hope that A: Your DM knows what he's doing, and B: You don't get into high levels.
Post by: Neruz on October 02, 2009, 09:10:06 pm
The char builder says checking the box changes a skill from cross-class to class, I have no idea why that option's available since it's not allowed. That might be why. So ignore the check boxes.
You can get feats and class features that change class skills. A Cleric with the Knowledge domain for example gets all the Knowledge skills added as class skills.
Post by: Neruz on October 02, 2009, 09:16:03 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 09:16:36 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 09:31:17 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 02, 2009, 09:32:25 pm
Post by: userpay on October 02, 2009, 09:48:27 pm
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Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 09:49:21 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 02, 2009, 09:54:56 pm
You'll be fine so long as the campaign doesn't go further than ~6 - 8th level.
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 02, 2009, 09:57:05 pm
Hmm, i see we have a rediculously huge player list. While i don't have the time to run a full on campaign (even a prepublished one) for 2 - 3 weeks yet, i can run a weekly dungeon crawl if anyone would like.SECOND
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 09:58:39 pm
I'll roll up a halfling archery ranger, that should give some sort of balance.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 10:01:25 pm
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I have a feeling my Nethack playing tendencies spill over into my equipment choices...
Also, when do I get to select my spells? I don't think I saw anything in the list where I get to choose.
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 02, 2009, 10:03:41 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 10:06:27 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 02, 2009, 10:13:31 pm
You could use Character Tool (http://www.rptools.net/index.php?page=downloads#CharTool). But if you don't want to download anything,
You could just add "Spells" to the bottom of the character generated with the java thing.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 10:19:26 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 02, 2009, 10:21:05 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 10:23:00 pm
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Sorcerer/Wizard_Spells
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Post by: Jack_Bread on October 02, 2009, 11:12:01 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 11:14:06 pm
The hilarity that will be had.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 11:14:56 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 02, 2009, 11:27:22 pm
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Sorcerer/Wizard_Spell_List
That's the official Wizard/Sorcerer Spell list. Spells like "create jelly" and all the other homebrew spells have to be DM approved.
EDIT: It's best if you use this (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/resources/systems/pennpaper/dnd35/soveliorsage/home.html) so you won't get confused.
Post by: userpay on October 02, 2009, 11:32:09 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 11:36:32 pm
Not sure how much of the wiki is official as opposed to homebrew.
Post by: Rashilul on October 02, 2009, 11:52:02 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 02, 2009, 11:53:39 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 11:56:53 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2009, 11:57:58 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 03, 2009, 12:35:56 am
Post by: theevilmonk on October 03, 2009, 12:39:24 am
nm using him in emperors game
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 01:31:11 am
There may be some confusion on how people are explaining sorcerers. You don't have access to every spell on the wizard spell list, you learn spells as you level up and you have access to every spell you know. You start with knowledge of four level 0 spells and two level 1. Every day you get five castings of any level 0 spell you know and four of any level 1 (to start with). Wizards, by contrast, have to prepare every spell specifically. Hope that makes sense. I never really realized how confusing this all is until I had to try to type it in a way that makes sense.
I am also arbitrarily deciding to allow the Create Jelly spell because, I don't know, jelly is delicious.
Whoops! Forgot to add you to the wait list theevilmonk. You're on there now though. Hope I didn't forget anyone else.
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 03, 2009, 01:31:53 am
Question...what do I do with deities? Do I make up my own or are there official ones?There are official ines, but they were not in WOTCs SRD, so you'd actually have to have the book,
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 01:56:45 am
As for deities, yeah, I haven't planned that yet. I haven't really done a whole lot of "worldbuilding" for the setting yet, actually. We can use the default Players Handbook pantheon if someone can find it online, I can make a unique one tomorrow if anyone deems it important (it wouldn't be a big job), or I can just wing it like I'll be doing for most every thing else, since everyone seems so eager to just start and not let me plan anything.
Oh, and Neruz, please stop filling my thread with powergaming propaganda. In my opinion, a campaign based on the optimization of party damage is sort of completely missing the point. It's like playing a drinking game. You don't play to win, you play to get drunk.
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 02:10:51 am
If i was filling it with powergaming propaganda then i would be telling everyone to play Human Clerics and Druids, as those are the only two class\race combos that deserve to be associated with 'powergaming.'
Post by: Muz on October 03, 2009, 02:28:09 am
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 02:37:41 am
And what about Human Wizard/Fighter dual classes? I seem to remember people coming up with some pretty outstanding munchkining with that combo.
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 02:51:06 am
Heh, most of the time the game assumes a balanced party. I remember some talk about how the CR automatically assumes that there's a cleric or healing potions. If there's a barrel of healing water or something, it shouldn't be much of a problem XD
CR actually assumes very little, mostly because it doesn't work. Dragons for example are substantially more powerful than their CR would indicate, while Ogres are substantially less so.
The game does definitely assume there's a source of healing though, unfortunately appropriate CR encounters require substantially more healing than an appropriate CR Cleric can actually put out.
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The massive stockpile of healing wands > divine healer trick always struck me as a tad powergamey though
While less important at lower levels, it's actually neccessary in the higher levels. Cleric healing quite simply cannot keep up with monster damage output. The CO boards spent ages trying to make a healer class work, and it is possible, but it requires multiple splatbooks and a massive character investment, and the class isn't Cleric interestingly enough.
Clerics can spend early levels healing people in combat, mostly because in the early levels they'll be outclassed by the various fighter type classes, as they go higher in level and get access to better and better buffing spells however it becomes less and less useful for the Cleric to spend his actions healing and more useful for him to spend his actions beating the living shit out of things. And at around level 8ish monster damage output surpasses Cleric healing output, rendering in-combat healing nearly useless.
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Also the implication that tanks aren't worth having by mid levels. Just because they won't be the strongest character in the party shouldn't be a reason in itself to avoid them.
Not actually what i meant; what i meant is that as you go on you run into more and more magical beasties. By mid levels you're encountering monsters that can, with a wave of their hand, hit the entire party with save or suck spells. If you don't have somone who can counter those magics you're in deep shit. By higher levels the save or suck spells are replaced with save or die spells, and it becomes even more vital to keep magical protection everywhere.
An excellent example being one of the games i watched at RPGA aages ago, party of 5 level 14 characters, all fairly heavily optimised and cleaning house with the module, just wiping everything out. They were slaughtered to a man by a low-CR random encounter because the random encounter was a Demon and using fire magics, and they'd forgotten to put their Protection from Fire buff on. Two spells later the entire party was dead.
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I mean...why else would there be Bards?
No-one's really sure why there are Bards :P
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Anyway, it's not something that a first time player should worry about.
Very true. But it is something the DM needs to worry about unless he's planning on ending up with alot of corpses.
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And what about Human Wizard/Fighter dual classes? I seem to remember people coming up with some pretty outstanding munchkining with that combo.
That is a horrible multiclass combo. Sacrificing Wizard caster levels for Fighter levels? Unless you're talking a 1 or 2 level Fighter dip for extra feats, then that is a very good way to gimp yourself.
Oh, that is something new players should keep in mind; don't multiclass unless you know what you're doing, or you may well end up wondering why you can't hit anything and none of your spells seem to have any effect.
Post by: RAM on October 03, 2009, 03:02:38 am
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 03:04:16 am
Josh, character looks very good, he'll help balance the party. You took flaws though, which are from a supplement, so I was not planning on using them. However, you just used them to take extra social skills and I've always been fond of flaw systems in RPGs, so I'll just allow it unless someone has a problem with that.
QuoteAnyway, it's not something that a first time player should worry about.
Very true. But it is something the DM needs to worry about unless he's planning on ending up with alot of corpses.
Have you seen the size of the waiting list? There's plenty of cannon-fodder. Seriously though I agree, balancing should fall to the DM.
QuoteAnd what about Human Wizard/Fighter dual classes? I seem to remember people coming up with some pretty outstanding munchkining with that combo.That is a horrible multiclass combo. Sacrificing Wizard caster levels for Fighter levels? Unless you're talking a 1 or 2 level Fighter dip for extra feats, then that is a very good way to gimp yourself.
I know it sounds stupid, and this is based on a foggy memory from 5 years ago, but I think the wizard levels were mostly for self-buff spells to boost melee output. I just remember it was a massive abuse of various rules that resulted in a killing machine.
I'll add you to the list RAM.
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 03:07:01 am
You'd be better off multiclassing Cleric for self-buff spells; Wizards don't really have any decent self-buff spells. Clerics get Righteous Might, Divine Rage and, if you get them to level 17, Miracle.
Off the top of my head the only Wizard self-buff spell i can think of is Mage Armor, which is completely invalidated by real armor.
I feel i should also add that alot of things look like they're abusive and munchkiny on the surface, but aren't.
The things you need to look out for are the ones that don't look abusive, like Natural Spell, the worlds most overpowered Feat ever and the single reason why the Druid as a class can replace the entire party at level 8.
Post by: RAM on October 03, 2009, 03:08:49 am
Can people use extra WotC books if they have them?
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 03:11:02 am
Quickened true-strike + 2 handed power attack + alter self/polymorph sounds vaguely familiar...
Can people use extra WotC books if they have them?
Pfft, that's all physical attacks. Most high end monsters can negate physical attacks entirely.
Also the crux of that combo would be the Polymorph, a spell which was ludicrously overpowered until it was errataed, and is now only borderline broken as opposed to completely broken (certain feats and class combos can re-break it however.)
As an example: Wail of the Banshee, 9th level spell, kills 1 creature per caster level in a fairly wide radius (so a level 20 Wizard will kill 20 creatures) with a Fortitude save to negate.
Didn't even need any fancy feats. Oh, and the Wizard can probably cast that 2 - 3 times per day, or more if he's all buffed up. With the right application of feats and spells he can cast that 3 times per round, or just hit everyone with so many penalties that it's impossible to make the save.
Post by: RAM on October 03, 2009, 03:18:19 am
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 03:23:34 am
I know DM's who think that any character with stats that make sense is powergaming, and others who feel that nothing short of Pun-Pun is powergaming, and even he wouldn't be powergaming if the player can justify him.
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2009, 03:37:39 am
Craft and profession question from WAY there: Craft allows me to make delicious alcohol with a roll. Meaning I spend some gold and some time, and I get great alcohol wich I can drink myself or sell for even more than I have spent. Profession on the other hand is the ability to do a job. Which means I can hire myself as a brewer in a still and get a decent pay out. Untrainted people get 1silver a day. I can get much more than that by doing delicious alcohol. I can be a barman in a tavern. I know the drill and I will know on the spot when barman pissed into our beers. Noting powergamer would take, but a hilariously fun choice nonetheless
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 03:45:55 am
While i agree that there's plenty of cannon fodder, dying isn't fun, it's even less fun when you die and have to sit in a waiting list to come back. Dying because the system is hard and you accidentally screwed up without even knowing what you did wrong is so not fun it occasionally creates a black hole of antifun.
Eh, I'm so horrendously out of practice this thing is going to be a crapshoot anyway. I said so to begin with and people still seem excited so I'm just rolling with it. And I'll be starting somewhere with nice newbie-friendly plot hooks.
kinseti would need to define what he means by 'powergame' before you can resist the urge to do it :P
Hey, it's hard to define. And I'm tired. But when you prioritize maximum combat output over making a fun character, it looks like powergaming to me. If everyone is super-powerful the DM will just throw out higher CRs, it doesn't improve the game. If everyone has an original, engaging character however, it will improve the game. That is just my outlook. Some people love min/maxing. I don't like to pass judgment. But I stepped up as DM so that sort of has to be my job :-[
Rooster knows what I'm talking about! Half-Orc alcoholics make the game way more fun than spending all those ranks in climb or some shit.
Can people use extra WotC books if they have them?
I am really trying to avoid adding supplements, as I'm not familiar with most of them. If I start letting stuff in the floodgate is down, and everybody is going to want their favourite unbalanced spell or esoteric prestige class. Or so my paranoid delusion goes.
Alright, I need sleep...
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 03:51:01 am
And I'm not sure about the whole "Wands of Healing" stuff. It does seem a bit like powergaming, and it reminds me of that time when I went to fight a huge boss in Runescape with only a huge bag of purple sweets to heal with (explanation: purple sweets were stackable and healed you slightly. Powergaming taking to the max). And I might still be useful for healing between encounters, I guess.
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 03:54:35 am
I'm sorry but I don't think my barbarian will be weak any time soon.
Craft and profession question from WAY there: Craft allows me to make delicious alcohol with a roll. Meaning I spend some gold and some time, and I get great alcohol wich I can drink myself or sell for even more than I have spent. Profession on the other hand is the ability to do a job. Which means I can hire myself as a brewer in a still and get a decent pay out. Untrainted people get 1silver a day. I can get much more than that by doing delicious alcohol. I can be a barman in a tavern. I know the drill and I will know on the spot when barman pissed into our beers. Noting powergamer would take, but a hilariously fun choice nonetheless
Actually Craft and Profession are key powergamer skills, as they allow you to generate wealth for free and break the economy in half.
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Hey, it's hard to define. And I'm tired. But when you prioritize maximum combat output over making a fun character, it looks like powergaming to me.
Here's the fun question; What if a character that is very good in combat is a fun character for the player in question? :P
Addendum to that by the way; It is possible to create a character that is both effective in combat and interesting to play outside of combat. I know this sounds like a bit of an alien concept to most old hats, but it's doable.
With the Half Orc barbarian for example; Barbarians get so few skill points they can freely blow them on whatever they like anyway, simply due to the fact that they can never be expected to use their skills for anything useful due to not having any to begin with.
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I was hoping for a Dopp, heh.
You mean a Doppelganger as a race choice? You realise those come with an ECL of 8?
You'll find you're not very useful for healing between encounters either; you'll run out of spell slots long before your party members run out of wounds for you to heal. That's why scrolls and wands are in the game to begin with; once you're into the midgame you can't do jack with the tiny handful of spells per day you get naturally.
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2009, 04:03:10 am
EDIT: I just realised something. You can't destroy the economy with craft skill. Firstly there's something like taxes. And of course you need a place to stay and I doubt the tavern is chep enough to get anything out of craft skill. And you have to eat and drink. More coins go away. Then you create an item for what? Half the price? Than sell it for no profit? I don't know with what DM you have played, but a few DM I know would always find answers to power gamers
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 04:13:49 am
As written however, it is trivial for a PC to get a craft skill like Sculpting high enough to reliably create products that can be sold for more money than was required to pay for the raw materials, often substantially more. One of the theoretical optimisation threads showed how a high int level 4 Wizard could quite easily end up with well over ten million gold after less than a year of work by taking advantage of craft and profession skills.
Food and drink? Everlasting provisions, easy as pie. Place to live? Portable hole, live wherever you feel like. Taxes? Don't live in a kingdom, don't pay taxes (there aren't even rules for taxes anyway, so you're entering homebrew territory there, and once you enter homebrew territory all bets are off.)
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 04:20:17 am
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 05:24:29 am
ECL is Effective Character Level. Because the Devs don't want people playing monster races and they don't have the time or money to do all the numbers involving monster races, but would like to give people the illusion of being able to do so, they gave the playable monster races arbitrarily large level adjustments and useless levels in worthless 'classes' like Monsterous Humanoid, the end result being that most monster races are entirely unplayable either due to being far too specialised, far too broken or far too sucky. And the right combos of feats and classes can often turn a sucky monster race into a totally broken monster race (any at-will Shapeshifter + Warshaper is silly.)
If you want a Doppelgangeresque character though, Changelings from Eberron are ECL0. You don't get any nice stat boosts, but instead you get the Shapeshifter subtype (which allows you to pick the Transformation Cleric domain, a very good domain) and the ability to change your physical features (not clothes) to mimic other people, as well as a handful of useful skill boosts.
Not a hugely optimised race, but potentially good fun in a diplomatic game, and with some good racials.
Post by: userpay on October 03, 2009, 08:21:48 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 08:30:27 am
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If I'm under the allowed, just say I gave the rest to charity or something.
Post by: userpay on October 03, 2009, 08:31:39 am
I made some alterations to my character's equipment, so he isn't accidentally pimped out.Oi were gonna need whatevers left over, thats why I still have a few gold left.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If I'm under the allowed, just say I gave the rest to charity or something.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 08:33:23 am
I'll try to read up some more I guess.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 09:10:20 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 09:24:01 am
Post by: CJ1145 on October 03, 2009, 09:26:28 am
I'm good for about any time on weekends, although I cannot go to school right now and mother seems to have forgotten that there is a difference between sleeping rest and not doing so much damned work rest. I live in Ohio, so whatever time zone that is.
Also, I have a question: Do we have a wizard yet? If we do I'll stick to my fighter, but if we don't I'll be happy to go back to Richard. I don't think I've deleted his sheet yet...
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 09:40:19 am
Post by: CJ1145 on October 03, 2009, 09:46:00 am
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 09:49:39 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 09:52:58 am
And I kinda like the idea of Changeling, but I think I'll stick to my more simple cleric, even if he will suck at healing.
Post by: Akigagak on October 03, 2009, 10:02:43 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 10:10:13 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 10:20:03 am
Oh, and I've also found the programme has no problem with me rolling a 9001 sided dice.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 10:21:49 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 10:25:55 am
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 10:32:35 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 11:39:38 am
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 11:46:11 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 11:51:28 am
Post by: Akigagak on October 03, 2009, 11:52:33 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 11:54:42 am
Six seconds.So I need to pray for 600 turns when the game starts?
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 11:55:34 am
Six seconds.So I need to pray for 600 turns when the game starts?
Why would you need to do that?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 11:56:06 am
Turns are only counted when something is going on where you have to keep explicit time(combat, chases, and the like)
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 12:12:09 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 12:13:47 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 12:39:30 pm
Yeah, you can chat. Right-clicking the pogs allows you to set its name, and you can add attributes to it to keep track of health, ammo, and the like. The GM can go in ahead of time and set up a private map that only he can see, and then he can publish parts of it with a simple interface. It's really the best.
Ah yes, gametable. I think I understand it, but is there a proper tutorial?
I know, it's pretty simple and I probably don't need it, and I figured out the important stuff like the private map bits on my own. I was just wondering about how some things worked. Can other players draw on the public map, or just the host? Can they move pogs? Is there any way to do multiple Z-levels (besides just sticking them on different maps or beside each other)? Is the dice macro list global or personal? I just figure I should get this all straight beforehand.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 12:41:33 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 12:41:57 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 12:42:56 pm
Also, if you want to make your own pogs for monsters and the like, I can tell you, but it takes a while.
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2009, 01:10:19 pm
How do I join a game?
There are some numbers and stuff in the join command but I don't get the most of it
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 01:14:34 pm
IP Address: 71.79.38.67
Password: 40k
Port: 6812
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2009, 01:31:55 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 01:32:40 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 01:34:39 pm
IP : 96.54.19.144
Port : 6812
No Password
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 01:40:11 pm
Now I'm confused, because I'm not on a router, why is mine not working?
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2009, 01:41:51 pm
Damn.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 01:42:44 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2009, 01:45:11 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 01:46:16 pm
Try joining this:
IP 71.79.38.67
Password 123
Port 6812
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 01:46:26 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 01:48:49 pm
If Kinseti can't get his to work we can use mine. He'll still be the GM, the host gets no special privileges.
Post by: Akigagak on October 03, 2009, 01:51:57 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 01:54:43 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 01:56:10 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 03:04:50 pm
Looking at everyones schedule, I think we can get the first session together Tuesday:
1:00 PM for userpay and I
4:00 PM for Cthulhu, CJ, and (I think) josh
9:00 PM for Leafsnail
10:00 PM for Rooster
Would this work for everyone? With my understanding of the schedule we could even give or take an hour, it just might be hard for me to get on right at noon, I have stuff that morning. So let me know if that works guys.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 03:08:25 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2009, 03:11:05 pm
If anything unexpected comes up, I'll be sure to post here and to say I won't be there.
How will we get more pogs by the way?
Post by: Rashilul on October 03, 2009, 03:12:21 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 03, 2009, 03:22:41 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 03:37:52 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2009, 03:39:11 pm
Well, if my gametable joined correctly. For some reason when I try to join nothing happens >:( What am I doing wrong?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 03:41:21 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2009, 04:13:49 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 03, 2009, 04:30:00 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 04:38:07 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 03, 2009, 04:39:33 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 03, 2009, 04:42:10 pm
What would I do if I tried to heal and got a natural 0? Accidentally use "Super flame cannon deluxe V" on my own arm?
Your spell would probably turn into negative energy and cause you to cast (like rashiful said) inflict (minor, serious, etc) on whoever you were trying to heal.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 04:43:49 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 03, 2009, 04:52:44 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 04:53:55 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 04:57:03 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 03, 2009, 04:58:38 pm
You can roll a critical fail on the Heal skill though, which would be first aid so terrible it makes the wound worse.
Also there's no "natural 0" on a die. Those suckers start at 1. ;)
STOP. NINJA'ING. ME.
Post by: Dakk on October 03, 2009, 05:03:18 pm
Can't wait for me turn, I nevr played a monk before, I wanna try stunning fist on someone, and of course, quivering first/palm thing, but thats a 15th level feat :'(
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 05:04:04 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 03, 2009, 05:06:33 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 03, 2009, 05:23:50 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 03, 2009, 05:25:25 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 05:34:43 pm
Post by: alfie275 on October 03, 2009, 05:42:54 pm
Post by: Jervous on October 03, 2009, 05:59:27 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 08:17:27 pm
I'm pretty sure good clerics get Inflict spells, they just can't spontaneously cast them.
Correct, they can prepare them from their list, but they spontaneously turn spells into Cure spells, not Inflict spells. Evil clerics spontaneously cast Inflict spells.
Post by: RAM on October 03, 2009, 08:44:03 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 03, 2009, 08:52:36 pm
Post by: Vester on October 03, 2009, 09:06:25 pm
Sorry, I'm a goody two shoes cleric, so can't perform evil acts like that.
You could RP it as being horrified at the thought of inflicting pain... :D
Post by: Neruz on October 03, 2009, 09:40:12 pm
If I recall correctly you cannot spontaneously convert your domain spell slot, hmmm, I reccomend that you read through the domain stuff twice...
Also correct, Domain spell slots are special.
You can take a variant to sacrifice the ability to spontainiously cast cure\inflict spells to spontainiously cast spells from one of your domains instead. Personally i find it more useful (especially if one of your domains is Transformation or Magic. Identify for free? YES PLEAS!)
Post by: Cthulhu on October 03, 2009, 10:04:37 pm
Don't mind me, Sorcerer, just stealing your job.
Post by: Rashilul on October 03, 2009, 10:56:31 pm
Spoiler: My character (click to show/hide)
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 12:16:04 am
Spoiler:My character
Is that your subtle way of saying I forgot to add you to the waiting list? Sorry! Not on purpose! I think you got lost in the shuffle when I went to sleep and woke up with several pages of new posts. You're in now, in the right spot. And alfie's on the list and jack's off. Err...that didn't come out right. :-\
I also made a hastily envisioned map and the worlds most unoriginal pantheon, they're on the second post there. Mostly just did them so I had something concrete beyond "generic fantasy world" when thinking about the campaign, but no good reason to not post them. I guess the deity bit is slightly relevant to leafsnails character. Lune or Shade could probably swing the Healing + Good domains.
Post by: Dakk on October 04, 2009, 12:30:58 am
Yea I know my monk will have to end up being controlled by someone at times when I actualy get in, unless I get in on the week after this one, which should be 100% college free ;D
Basically:
GM -03:00
Weekdays: 13:30 to 17:00 and (half of the time) from 23:00 to 01:00
Weekends: Can't define.
Post by: Neruz on October 04, 2009, 12:33:39 am
Post by: Dakk on October 04, 2009, 12:35:48 am
Post by: Neruz on October 04, 2009, 01:20:14 am
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 04, 2009, 01:21:55 am
Pfft, Illithid ECL is too high to be useful. There's a prestige class that turns you into an Illithid, that's the way to go.Isn't that in the psionic supplement book? :\
Post by: Rashilul on October 04, 2009, 01:26:14 am
Post by: Neruz on October 04, 2009, 01:31:10 am
Pfft, Illithid ECL is too high to be useful. There's a prestige class that turns you into an Illithid, that's the way to go.Isn't that in the psionic supplement book? :\
It's one of the suppliments, i don't remember which.
Post by: Dakk on October 04, 2009, 01:45:04 am
Here be dakk.
Post by: Rooster on October 04, 2009, 03:43:11 am
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 04, 2009, 03:48:19 am
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=157883 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=157883)You didn't fill in the info for your weapon.
Here be dakk.
EDIT: Also your possessions' weight.
Post by: Rooster on October 04, 2009, 05:50:14 am
I have some logical problems with this sheet. first of all my old "sheet" included speed bonuses to jump skill making it effectively a +8 ability, second profession is a cross-class ability right? I had to make it right manually on this sheet. I also added in "friends" his family heritage, please read about his grandfather Thoril. Also added his personality.
Damn I can't find a half-orc with a beard. If I could I would make it my char image
Down: Done!
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 04, 2009, 05:53:21 am
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 08:14:05 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 08:16:35 am
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 08:20:00 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 08:22:38 am
I actually didn't pick a god for my character since I didn't know if we were going to have DF style gods or not.
Post by: RAM on October 04, 2009, 09:31:49 am
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 10:20:51 am
No it isn't! An atheist can be a cleric if he wants to be! That's religious discrimination otherwise :P.
I actually didn't pick a god for my character since I didn't know if we were going to have DF style gods or not.
You could be a cleric of a Cause, actually. Like... righteousness?
Or a cleric of atheism. That would be cool. In which case the goal of your order would be to displace or destroy the gods.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 10:25:30 am
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 10:30:14 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 10:45:14 am
Post by: Akigagak on October 04, 2009, 10:47:38 am
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 10:50:33 am
I thought clerics had to get all their powers FROM gods...
They get their powers from something, but not always a god.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 10:53:09 am
I thought clerics had to get all their powers FROM gods...
They get their powers from something, but not always a god.
Then wouldn't that make them a warlock?
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 10:53:49 am
And no, I wouldn't be a warlock. I'm still drawing my powers from belief in a cause, just the cause happens to be atheism :P.
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 10:59:14 am
I thought clerics had to get all their powers FROM gods...
They get their powers from something, but not always a god.
Then wouldn't that make them a warlock?
Nope. Belief is what matters for Clerics, so if apparently they believe hard enough, it happens.
(http://x61.xanga.com/d5fd760269132118967114/z85517068.gif)
I've been waiting for an excuse to post that.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 11:04:47 am
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 11:08:24 am
Athe would be an interesting god/goddess. Probably cutting him or herself all the time to symbolize the self-destructive nature of her creed's purpose - which is to destroy all creeds.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 11:10:38 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 11:14:55 am
Post by: RAM on October 04, 2009, 11:40:25 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 11:45:09 am
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 11:46:25 am
I still like the "Cleric of Athe" idea, but that requires an insert into a pantheon that is as yet unknown.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 11:50:08 am
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 11:54:01 am
since I want to end the oppression of the gods and religions.
I assume you mean that in a less than literal way since, if you wanted to end the oppression of the gods, you would believe in gods, and therefore not be atheist. If you want to fight atrocities committed in the name of gods, that would make sense.
Except clerics draw their powers from their beliefs and atheism is defined by what you don't believe...you would still have to be drawing your power from something. I don't know. If you come up with a decent character history explaining it I'll allow it.
I dunno, it could just be an RP thing with no effect on the game.
RP stuff affects the game because it affects your characters decisions. But yeah, it's just an RP thing.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 11:57:18 am
And since gods definately do exist in D&D, it would be more of a Discworld style atheist - the one who knows they exist but denies them support or worship.
Post by: RAM on October 04, 2009, 11:58:01 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 12:04:50 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 12:11:35 pm
And since gods definately do exist in D&D, it would be more of a Discworld style atheist - the one who knows they exist but denies them support or worship.
Except that your average person in D&D-land hasn't had any more contact with a god than I have. Of course, they probably have seen a cleric heal someone with divine powers :P You could believe that it all has a scientific explanation, I guess. "FOR SCIENCE!"
Hey Kinseti, do I have to write a better backstory for my character? I didn't really put alot of thought into it.
Well, you don't have to. You can just sort of make it up as you play. I just wanted to know exactly how that atheist cleric business is going to work, since it's sort of integral to a cleric character. Sorcerers, however, are allowed to be mysterious.
Oh, I'll try to make leafsnail and josh a MythWeavers character sheet today, since it'd probably be too confusing to do yourselves. Hopefully CJ will do his own.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 12:27:25 pm
Oh, I'll try to make leafsnail and josh a MythWeavers character sheet today, since it'd probably be too confusing to do yourselves. Hopefully CJ will do his own.
Thanks Kinseti. I took a look at the Mythweavers thing, and I immediately thought "wow, this looks confusing".
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 12:27:58 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And that's the story.
Post by: Akigagak on October 04, 2009, 12:30:37 pm
Wait, they killed halflings?
Dicks.
I'd write something more in-depth, but I suck.
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 12:33:51 pm
That kind of atrocity would require Atonement.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 12:35:22 pm
Ok, so I'm worshipping an emo abstraction? Fair enough. Anyway, I'm Lawful Good rather than Evil since I want to end the oppression of the gods and religions. So from my point of view I'm good. Or something like that.
In OoTS, the Paladin whose name escapes me thought she was doing good by killing the city's ruler, but she still got robbed of her powers. Just think about that for a minute, and decide if your own perspective matters alignment-wise AT ALL. For example, maybe I think I'm Chaotic Good because I'm defeating an evil emperor by raping, then killing every man, woman and child in his kingdom; without his citizens, he has no empire. So I'm doing good, right? WRONG.
And kinseti, do I just take my character sheet and copy the info on the Mythweavers thing?
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 12:36:34 pm
EDIT: Her name was Miko.
Also, Yondalla and Pelor are on the same side of the fence, I think.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 12:54:26 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 12:54:59 pm
Actually, the whole "Good vs. Evil" is extremely subjective. I mean, since he heals people and stuff rather than randomly inflicting pain, that would automatically make him good, according the the D&D rulebook, even if he's doing it for evil purposes.
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 12:56:25 pm
And kinseti, do I just take my character sheet and copy the info on the Mythweavers thing?
Yup.
Looking at userpays character sheet, he did equipment wrong.
100 cp = 10 sp = 1 gp, not 10000 cp = 100 sp = 1 gp
Trail rations weigh 1 lb not 10 lb, and he'd have 4 gp, 1 sp, 8 cp left over. I was really hoping I wouldn't have to check all this stuff for the people who already knew how to play.
Oh, and Josh should come up with a spell list and Leafsnail should think about what spells he wants prepared for the first day.
And yeah, the alignment system doesn't make sense. Especially the concept of "always chaotic evil" races, but let's not even open that door...
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 12:57:18 pm
Also, you may notice a whole lot of question marks. Those are areas I do not understand how to fill in. Please assist me with that, as I have no idea.
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 01:04:15 pm
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 01:05:13 pm
But all fantasy gods hate unbelievers, right? Besides, Lefsor doesn't harm people (uh, much), he prefers to convert them. Sortof.
Actually, the whole "Good vs. Evil" is extremely subjective. I mean, since he heals people and stuff rather than randomly inflicting pain, that would automatically make him good, according the the D&D rulebook, even if he's doing it for evil purposes.
It should. But the ones who define what's good and evil are the gods, and they like smiting.
Hey kinseti, are you going to go with a morality system that allows for more grey areas?
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 01:18:58 pm
Hey kinseti, are you going to go with a morality system that allows for more grey areas?
How do you mean? So many powers in the game are based off alignment you sort of have to assign arbitrary alignments to everything. I'm not a big fan of that part, I'm all for gray-area morality, but it's a bit necessary as I understand it.
And the Richard/Lefsor thing...ugh. The only two ways that could pan out would be constant infighting or never being in character.
"I vote we take the mayors offer and help defend the city!"
"I VOTE WE KILL MAYOR. RAISE CORPSE. BURN CITY TO GROUND."
I won't make you change but...yeah.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 01:20:58 pm
1. Nonlethal Damage, Hit Dice, and Damage Reduction. Where do I figure out how to fill these in?
2. Spells and Powers: Do I fill this out, or can I just prepare any spell that isn't restricted to me each day?
3. Spell Saves. What are these, how do I fill them out?
And also, don't forget that I am a selfish bastard. If the reward is good, I might do the quest given. I might kill them after we've gotten the reward, but most likely not.
Unless the reward sucks.
The point is, I'll try to stay in character without ruining the experience. I made Richard for the comedy of the situations he would create, not cause mass mayhem wherever I go.
Post by: Rashilul on October 04, 2009, 01:22:47 pm
For example, maybe I think I'm Chaotic Good because I'm defeating an evil emperor by raping, then killing every man, woman and child in his kingdom; without his citizens, he has no empire. So I'm doing good, right? WRONG.The men and children too? You're right, that's just wrong.
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 01:34:59 pm
Nonlethal Damage = 0, you haven't accumulated any yet.
Hit dice = 4, for Wizards.
Damage Reduction = 0
Spells and Powers:
Quote from: wiki
Spellbooks: A wizard must study her spellbook each day to prepare her spells. She cannot prepare any spell not recorded in her spellbook, except for read magic, which all wizards can prepare from memory.
A wizard begins play with a spellbook containing all 0-level wizard spells (except those from her prohibited school or schools, if any; see School Specialization, below) plus three 1st-level spells of your choice. For each point of Intelligence bonus the wizard has, the spellbook holds one additional 1st-level spell of your choice. At each new wizard level, she gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that she can cast (based on her new wizard level) for her spellbook. At any time, a wizard can also add spells found in other wizards’ spellbooks to her own.
So, basically, choose 6 first level spells for richards spellbook, and prepare three 0-level and two 1st-level that you'll be able to cast the first day.
Spell Saves is where you list your # of spells per day (3 0-level and 1+1 1st-level for now) and the Difficulty Class to resist them. I believe your spell save DC is 10+lvl of spell+relevant stat bonus. So 13 for 0 level spells and 14 for 1st level.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 01:46:51 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 01:53:26 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 04, 2009, 01:56:37 pm
Anyone ever played ADOM? Of course you have.
There was only chaos and law. And no side was white or black.
In my opinion Leafsnail shoulb be allowed a lawful good atheist cleric.
Let's say for a moment that Pelor is a murderous god like in his story.
Maybe he got his powers from nature, or sun.
Maybe from positive energy plane entity or whatever.
How Richard and Leafsnails's character could cooperate?
The way Richard and Cale'anon do. Richard does all the random killing under the leadership of a goody doer. In the newest comics Richard even saves Cale from death.
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 02:08:04 pm
Ok, I fixed everything according to your answers, and since I'm not sure where to put them my list of 1st level spells are listed in the Other Notes section.
Under spells per day, you should have have 3 level 0 spells and 1+1 Bonus 1st Level spells, not 4 and 3. The spells in your book go under Spells and Powers, the #Cast/Mem is for how many of each you've prepared for the day. You shouldn't need to put every level 0 spell in there, just the ones you want to prepare.
So, the difference between sorcerers and wizards is that Wizards can learn alot of spells, but can only prepare a few each day, and have fewer uses per day, while a sorcerer can use more spells per day, and has more uses, but once he chooses them, he can't switch them up?
That's about it, yeah. Sorcerers are easier for beginners because they don't have to prepare their spells carefully every day.
I'm pretty much done your sheet too. (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=157941) I think I mostly just need those spells. 4 level-0 and 2 level-1. Heh, you're going to have to be pretty careful josh, with no armour and 3 HP...
Oh, and I've arbitrarily decided to give casters their spell component pouch for free, since Richard forgot to bring one and Jodhu went a couple copper pieces over 25 gp.
And yeah Rooster, Leafsnails getting his LG Atheist Cleric and your sheet for Gurk looks perfect.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 02:13:50 pm
I'm picking out my spells right now.
Post by: Humaan on October 04, 2009, 02:17:41 pm
For the people complaining about alignment: the Good vs. Evil arc can truly be questionable ALWAYS. A thing is: people never commit their cause for "Evil", because what they are doing they think is Good. Likewise, is slaugtering creatures that you HAPPEN to wander into their home truly justified if they are "Evil"?
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 02:20:03 pm
Ok, I fixed everything according to your answers, and since I'm not sure where to put them my list of 1st level spells are listed in the Other Notes section.
Under spells per day, you should have have 3 level 0 spells and 1+1 Bonus 1st Level spells, not 4 and 3. The spells in your book go under Spells and Powers, the #Cast/Mem is for how many of each you've prepared for the day. You shouldn't need to put every level 0 spell in there, just the ones you want to prepare.
Actually, if you check my java char-gen on page 2, you'll see it gave me 4 level-0 and 3 level-1. Or is that for something else?
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 02:30:09 pm
Can I change my familiar from a bat to a snake?
Sure, that's fine.
Actually, if you check my java char-gen on page 2, you'll see it gave me 4 level-0 and 3 level-1. Or is that for something else?
Oh, right, you get to memorize an extra spell of each level for being specialized in Necromancy, but they have to be Necromancy spells. Which two schools of magic did you give up for your specialization? I can't immediately find it on the sheet.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 02:35:02 pm
Can I change my familiar from a bat to a snake?
Sure, that's fine.Actually, if you check my java char-gen on page 2, you'll see it gave me 4 level-0 and 3 level-1. Or is that for something else?
Oh, right, you get to memorize an extra spell of each level for being specialized in Necromancy, but they have to be Necromancy spells. Which two schools of magic did you give up for your specialization? I can't immediately find it on the sheet.
I noticed that problem as well. They were Illusion and Transmutation. Since we weren't using that supplement I put my specialization and prohibited schools in the traits/flaws section.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 02:41:31 pm
0th Level:
Create Jelly
Mage Hand
Ray of Frost
Message
1st level:
Magic Missile
Charm Person
Does that look good?
What's a 'focus' anyway?
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 02:55:06 pm
...
For the people complaining about alignment: the Good vs. Evil arc can truly be questionable ALWAYS. A thing is: people never commit their cause for "Evil", because what they are doing they think is Good. Likewise, is slaugtering creatures that you HAPPEN to wander into their home truly justified if they are "Evil"?
The gods define what's good and evil. So if they say that killing evil creatures just because they're evil is good, then it's good. I'm not saying it's not stupid, I'm just saying how it is.
Also the initial argument came up because Leaf's backstory had clerics of Pelor apparently murdering those of different faiths (in the specific instance halfling worshippers of Yondalla). The point was that the act was evil, and something Pelorian clerics would literally not be able to perform without losing access to their powers, necessitating the Atonement spell.
Because Pelor just doesn't roll that way.
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 03:03:03 pm
I noticed that problem as well. They were Illusion and Transmutation. Since we weren't using that supplement I put my specialization and prohibited schools in the traits/flaws section.
Alright, works for me. I assumed the traits/flaws were for RP style traits and flaws, like Cthulhu did for his character sheet. Doesn't really matter though.
Does that look good?
What's a 'focus' anyway?
Focus components are in your spell-pouch, they're just something to...focus on while you cast a spell. They're pretty ill-defined and unimportant, unless a spell lists a really expensive focus. And yeah, those spells should be useful.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 04:00:20 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 04:10:12 pm
Quote
Also the initial argument came up because Leaf's backstory had clerics of Pelor apparently murdering those of different faiths (in the specific instance halfling worshippers of Yondalla). The point was that the act was evil, and something Pelorian clerics would literally not be able to perform without losing access to their powers, necessitating the Atonement spell.Not entirely. Those were not clerics but an unruly mob of people blindly following the priest. Since the priest didn't do anything bad himself (just cast healing and strength spells), he didn't lose his powers (since you're allowed to buff and heal people who are doing evil things, according to D&D rules :P).
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 04:19:28 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 04:22:57 pm
Anyway, he's more anti-organized religion than anti-gods. Although he's sortof anti-god too for Pelor's non involvement in the affair.
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 04:24:28 pm
(I'm kidding)
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 04:25:32 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 04, 2009, 04:34:27 pm
Nah. Clerics don't tend to club and stab people to death.
Anyway, he's more anti-organized religion than anti-gods. Although he's sortof anti-god too for Pelor's non involvement in the affair.
Spoiler: Like this guy? (click to show/hide)
Stay away if you an easily offended religious person. Like the half-dozen people who posted badly done video responses that missed the point.
Post by: Vester on October 04, 2009, 04:35:51 pm
I like his voice, it's soothing.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 04, 2009, 04:40:30 pm
Anyway, I'm sure me and Richard the Evil Fiend will get on just fine as long as he doesn't start torturing innocent things, or randomly purging people with fire. If he does... well, there's not much I can do, other than whack him with a mace and lose my powahs.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 04:41:37 pm
Killing an evil PC for being evil will not make you lose your powers, unless your DM is a douchebag.
Post by: Nivim on October 04, 2009, 04:54:57 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 05:03:39 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 05:26:49 pm
One question: with the spell "message" I can whisper to things over long distances, and receive replies. Can I do this from a hiding place without giving myself away? And can my social abilities still work when using this spell?
You're still whispering, so if someone is close they will get a listen check to see if they hear you. They'd need to get a really high result to pinpoint your location from it, but it might prompt a "hey did you hear something?" sort of response from someone nearby on a decent roll. And yeah, your social skills would still apply, but for certain things you'd get a penalty, like diplomacy if they didn't know who the voice was coming from. Or other weird uses.
Actually, combining your ridiculously high bluff score and the message spell might have some pretty clever uses, now that I think about it.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 05:41:43 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 05:45:56 pm
Another question: Will a person being targetted by the message spell KNOW that they're being targetted? Even if I don't say anything?
What's your character like CJ? I don't think you've talked about him at all.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 05:54:40 pm
What's your character like CJ? I don't think you've talked about him at all.
Basically, Richard is the comic relief. He is a psychopathic murderer who enjoys ending lives almost as much as preserving his own. However, his friends are the notable exception to this rule. He is very devoted to his companions and will protect them fervently from an perceived threat, even if the "threat" is harmless. He also has a love of young, small, or otherwise cute animals; but only ones he has developed a personal relationship with, such as his donkey Thunderhoof.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 05:59:41 pm
Also, I think ghost sound would be a more effective way to mess with people's heads regarding noises. You make a board creak across the room, the orc turns around to checka it out, and BAM, surprise heart surgery.
Speaking of which, I'm going to redo my feats to make my rogue a bit more damage competitive. That -1 strength bonus sucks when my ranged weapon is also tied to strength.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 06:01:33 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 06:02:27 pm
What's your character like CJ? I don't think you've talked about him at all.
Basically, Richard is the comic relief. He is a psychopathic murderer who enjoys ending lives almost as much as preserving his own. However, his friends are the notable exception to this rule. He is very devoted to his companions and will protect them fervently from an perceived threat, even if the "threat" is harmless. He also has a love of young, small, or otherwise cute animals; but only ones he has developed a personal relationship with, such as his donkey Thunderhoof.
Can I call you Dick?
Also, what webcomic are you talking about Cthulhu?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 06:03:30 pm
Fack, rogues don't have a BAB until level 2 so I can't get Weapon Finesse, that sucks.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 04, 2009, 06:05:27 pm
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on October 04, 2009, 06:08:00 pm
Looking For Group
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 06:08:30 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 06:09:26 pm
Is Ambidexterity not a feat anymore?
Do we just assume that everyone is right-handed unless otherwise specified?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 06:12:41 pm
EDIT: Alright, I see now. Apparently it was rolled into Two Weapon Fighting. Oh well, I'm not getting that until I have a higher attack bonus, which will have to wait until level 5 since I'm gonna get Weapon Finesse at 3. Hurmph.
Now what should I get? Most of these feats are skill bonuses...
Post by: Dakk on October 04, 2009, 06:35:24 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 04, 2009, 07:04:25 pm
I can't remember what it's called, but Richard is from a webcomic. It's the one with the elf and Richard and maybe some goblins or something. It's one of the few well-drawn humor webcomics I've seen.
Well, I read a little bit of Looking For Group, and for something that's supposed to be a humor comic, it's remarkably unfunny. It IS well-drawn though.
Will not be reading more.
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2009, 07:24:56 pm
Another question: Will a person being targetted by the message spell KNOW that they're being targetted? Even if I don't say anything?
I don't think that's even specified anywhere, but I'd say no. My reasoning is since it's a transmutation spell it's physically affecting the sound waves and not the targets mind.
Post by: Dakk on October 04, 2009, 07:27:06 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 04, 2009, 07:30:00 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 04, 2009, 07:42:15 pm
Added weapon details.
Added total equipment weight.
Updated feats and special abilities.
Story updated.
[SIZE=+1]Lull[/SIZE] (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=157883)[/URL]
Male Lawful Evil Dwarf Monk, Level 1, Init +2, HP 9/9, Speed 20ft
AC 16, Touch 16, Flat-footed 14, Fort +3, Ref +6, Will +6, Base Attack Bonus 0
Unarmed Strike 0 (1d6, x2)
(+2 Dex)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 15, Con 13, Int 9, Wis 18, Cha 8
Condition None
Post by: Neruz on October 04, 2009, 08:49:37 pm
Odd, so rangers don't start with ambidexterity anymore?
Rangers pick their combat style at level 2, they get Two-Weapon Fighting if they're going Melee, or Rapid Shot if they're going ranged.
First level characters are pretty useless; they're very fragile and often capable of 1-shotting level appropriate monsters while themselves getting 1 shotted in return. It's a very good idea to take Toughness at first level and retrain it out later, as well as to be very paranoid until you're level 3 or so and have enough HP to not die when a Goblin looks at you funny.
Post by: RAM on October 04, 2009, 10:25:40 pm
Yeah. Richard Dawkins also reminds me of a CofE vicar, and he sortof sounds like one too, which is vaguely ironic.Lawful good is very much like lawful Evil, you don't just randomly run around beating up Evil-doers it should be more of a methodical effort towards a purpose. I could see the LG putting up with the CE because they are working towards the same goal and the CE putting up with the LG because they are 'fun'.
Anyway, I'm sure me and Richard the Evil Fiend will get on just fine as long as he doesn't start torturing innocent things, or randomly purging people with fire. If he does... well, there's not much I can do, other than whack him with a mace and lose my powahs.
I think that good and Evil have more to do with planes than gods. The alignments all have their own specific planes but the gods are subject to the same alignments that the characters are. Looking through spells with alignment descriptors can also be a good guideline...
Post by: userpay on October 04, 2009, 11:45:42 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 05, 2009, 12:08:04 am
Yeah. Richard Dawkins also reminds me of a CofE vicar, and he sortof sounds like one too, which is vaguely ironic.Lawful good is very much like lawful Evil, you don't just randomly run around beating up Evil-doers it should be more of a methodical effort towards a purpose. I could see the LG putting up with the CE because they are working towards the same goal and the CE putting up with the LG because they are 'fun'.
Anyway, I'm sure me and Richard the Evil Fiend will get on just fine as long as he doesn't start torturing innocent things, or randomly purging people with fire. If he does... well, there's not much I can do, other than whack him with a mace and lose my powahs.
I think that good and Evil have more to do with planes than gods. The alignments all have their own specific planes but the gods are subject to the same alignments that the characters are. Looking through spells with alignment descriptors can also be a good guideline...
Good and Evil are generally seen as levels of selfishness; a Good character will choose to help other people more often than not, even if it means disadvantaging himself personally and he gains nothing from doing so. An Evil character will generally not help people unless doing so nets him some sort of gain, and may even actively choose to harm people if doing so would benefit himself.
Law and Chaotic are basically levels of trustworthyness and orderliness. A Lawful character will follow the rules to the best of his ability and if he gives his word he will stick to it. Chaotic characters will do what they personally feel is the best choice, potentially disregarding rules if they feel those rules are worthless.
A Chaotic Evil character is therefore a character that is out for himself; he will do whatever he can to improve his own personal standing regardless of the wellfare and rules of others. He'll cheerfully break taboos and laws if doing so is advantageous.
There is an important difference between Chaotic Evil and Chaotic Retarded. A Chaotic Retarded character will go "LETS SLAUGHTER THE ENTIRE TOWN BECAUSE WE CAN! *Grin*" A Chaotic Evil character will go "I will kill these people if i have reason to."
Evil characters are also entirely capable of using more subtle means to get what they want; extortion, threats, intimidation, mind control. These are all tools of the Evil character, he doesn't have to run around killing everything because he's EVIL! RAWR!
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 09:04:42 am
Post by: RAM on October 05, 2009, 09:16:53 am
Post by: userpay on October 05, 2009, 09:36:03 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 05, 2009, 12:46:21 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 05, 2009, 12:49:46 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 05, 2009, 01:15:36 pm
And yeah, making yourselves enemies of the state at level 1 is a good way to die. At level 1 a horse can kick your ass, city guards would just slice you in half.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 01:19:43 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 05, 2009, 01:24:13 pm
You guys seem to think I'm all about mass murder and mayhem, and I must say I am offended. There is more tact and subtlety in my left hand than in most of your bodies! Why else do you think I chose Charm Person as one of my spells? Without minions a ruler has nothing, and with nothing a ruler is not a ruler. And I do plan to be a ruler, so I can guarantee that I will be weaving many threads for my inevitable takeover of the kingdom...You are based on Richard.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 01:29:26 pm
You guys seem to think I'm all about mass murder and mayhem, and I must say I am offended. There is more tact and subtlety in my left hand than in most of your bodies! Why else do you think I chose Charm Person as one of my spells? Without minions a ruler has nothing, and with nothing a ruler is not a ruler. And I do plan to be a ruler, so I can guarantee that I will be weaving many threads for my inevitable takeover of the kingdom...
I don't think you will have enough charges of Charm Person to undermine the loyalty of every single person in a kingdom...
Especially since the spell only lasts for 1 hour per caster level, and the spell description specifically says that you can't make people harmful or suicidal things.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 01:48:23 pm
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidEvil
Post by: Rashilul on October 05, 2009, 02:11:07 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 05, 2009, 02:43:59 pm
Still worried thou about my gametable not working :( (not connecting properly)
We should also have a chat during the session outside of gametable for OOC talk and stuff
Post by: userpay on October 05, 2009, 02:56:18 pm
Edit: backstory up.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cthulhu on October 05, 2009, 03:04:18 pm
You guys seem to think I'm all about mass murder and mayhem, and I must say I am offended. There is more tact and subtlety in my left hand than in most of your bodies! Why else do you think I chose Charm Person as one of my spells? Without minions a ruler has nothing, and with nothing a ruler is not a ruler. And I do plan to be a ruler, so I can guarantee that I will be weaving many threads for my inevitable takeover of the kingdom...
There are easier ways to become a ruler. Medieval kingdoms are usually feudal, and slaying some monstrosity or leading the king's army in battle is a great way to earn yourself a noble title, and the land/knights/peasants/castle that come with it.
Post by: Dakk on October 05, 2009, 03:07:51 pm
Umm so session is tommorow! yay I'm so excited.
Still worried thou about my gametable not working :( (not connecting properly)
We should also have a chat during the session outside of gametable for OOC talk and stuff
We either create a free online forum with a chatroom for this, or just add everyone on msn. OOC chat is aways a must for those moments you can't just refrain yourself from saying OMGPWNT.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 03:57:11 pm
This is what I thought of Richard in the little bit I read of LFG:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidEvil
Actually his character undergoes a lot of development. He does care about his friends, particularly Cale, and goes out of his way to save them on multiple occasions. He even says (out of earshot from the other party members, of course) that the reason he follows Cale is that he gave him a purpose, something to do with himself besides maim and kill.
Not to mention he is now the master of Sooba, originally Cale's pet, and has a surprisingly deep friendship with a rabbit.
As for the spell, you yet again underestimate my plans. There is more to it than I will ever tell any of you...
Post by: Rashilul on October 05, 2009, 04:08:26 pm
You can say that if you have a low INT score.Umm so session is tommorow! yay I'm so excited.
Still worried thou about my gametable not working :( (not connecting properly)
We should also have a chat during the session outside of gametable for OOC talk and stuff
We either create a free online forum with a chatroom for this, or just add everyone on msn. OOC chat is aways a must for those moments you can't just refrain yourself from saying OMGPWNT.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 05:41:07 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 05:41:52 pm
Then again, I've never played a game with him.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 05:48:31 pm
EDIT:Durp-de-durp-durp. It appears that it is, in fact, Eastern. But just to confirm, what does it say to someone besides a person in my timezone the time I posted?
Post by: Rashilul on October 05, 2009, 05:48:40 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 06:02:57 pm
Alright, gametable seems easy and freeform and good.
Looking at everyones schedule, I think we can get the first session together Tuesday:
1:00 PM for userpay and I
4:00 PM for Cthulhu, CJ, and (I think) josh
9:00 PM for Leafsnail
10:00 PM for Rooster
Would this work for everyone? With my understanding of the schedule we could even give or take an hour, it just might be hard for me to get on right at noon, I have stuff that morning. So let me know if that works guys.
I'm Eastern Time zone too, so we're the same CJ. We're -5 GMT, so Userpay and Kinseti are -8 GMT, Leaf is 0 GMT, and Rooser is +1 GMT.
Do I have that right?
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 06:05:41 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 06:09:46 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 06:10:34 pm
Post by: userpay on October 05, 2009, 06:44:31 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 06:48:12 pm
Ignore my last two posts. God, I'm retarded.
Post by: Neruz on October 05, 2009, 07:05:54 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 07:16:57 pm
I feel i should warn you; at level 1 a Housecat can be a serious threat. If you're a Wizard and you come up against a housecat, run, because it will win. If you're a fightery type (Melee Cleric, Barbarian, Fighter) then you'll probably come out on top. Anyone else is about 50/50.
Kinseti said that RP actions, and doing clever things like sneaking about and avoiding conflict will also net us EXP.
Neglecting that though, would you suggest we swat horse flies or something for experience?
Post by: userpay on October 05, 2009, 07:19:14 pm
Naw those horse flies would probably kill us to.I feel i should warn you; at level 1 a Housecat can be a serious threat. If you're a Wizard and you come up against a housecat, run, because it will win. If you're a fightery type (Melee Cleric, Barbarian, Fighter) then you'll probably come out on top. Anyone else is about 50/50.
Kinseti said that RP actions, and doing clever things like sneaking about and avoiding conflict will also net us EXP.
Neglecting that though, would you suggest we swat horse flies or something for experience?
Post by: Neruz on October 05, 2009, 07:20:48 pm
I feel i should warn you; at level 1 a Housecat can be a serious threat. If you're a Wizard and you come up against a housecat, run, because it will win. If you're a fightery type (Melee Cleric, Barbarian, Fighter) then you'll probably come out on top. Anyone else is about 50/50.
Kinseti said that RP actions, and doing clever things like sneaking about and avoiding conflict will also net us EXP.
Neglecting that though, would you suggest we swat horse flies or something for experience?
Unarmed Kobolds\Goblins and Small Monsterous Spiders are the standard fare for 1st level characters. Watch out for the Spiders (they do have venom, it's weak but dangerous), and if you get any bigger than Small then get the hell out. With the Kobolds and Goblins same thing; watch what they're wearing though. If one is wearing nice armor and wielding something more advanced than a pointy stick he probably has class levels and will whup your ass.
If you're feeling brave you can probably mob an Orc or two.
Oh, and if you end up indoors, keep an eye on the roof. There's a low level critter called a Darkmantle which is basically a flying carniverous stalagtite, while not particulary dangerous, they're difficult to spot and if one plops onto the head of a squishy the squishy is probably toast.
Also; always check for traps. Traps in 3.5 are usually 1hitkills or 1hitfuckyouups, you get one save, fail it and you're screwed (and possibly the entire party is screwed), so always check for traps. Cursed items are less likely unless the DM is a dick, but unfortunately there's nothing much you can do about cursed items anyway (the only surefire way to uncover curses is a high level spell you won't have for ages.)
Now that i think about it; it's like Nethack or Adventure Mode. Play low level DnD the same way you play Nethack or Adventure Mode at low levels. High level DnD is an entirely different ballgame, but you don't need to worry about that yet.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 07:30:02 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 05, 2009, 07:39:04 pm
Darkmantles can pop up in any cave, anywhere, so be careful of caves. They probably won't appear inside houses though, unless they're underground houses or the owner of the house has some very strange ideas.
Traps can appear anywhere, entirely dependant on the level of DMD (Dungeon Master Dickery)
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 07:44:36 pm
Depends on how much of a dick the DM is.
Darkmantles can pop up in any cave, anywhere, so be careful of caves. They probably won't appear inside houses though, unless they're underground houses or the owner of the house has some very strange ideas.
Traps can appear anywhere, entirely dependant on the level of DMD (Dungeon Master Dickery)
Way to make me paranoid.
"NO! Why's there a fire trap on the Pub Entrance?!"
(http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/files/2008/05/tohtmeltssssss.jpg)
"AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
Post by: Enzo on October 05, 2009, 07:48:46 pm
I think we should establish early on--does the DM care if we work to the best of our abilities to play every moment for laughs, and destroy every piece of his drawn-from-the-heart plot?
No, I don't have a problem with a few curveballs and general hijinks, they're fun, but...
I don't think Kinseti's the type to try to railroad us.
I realize how annoying it is when a DM is trying to railroad the PCs. It is, however, just as annoying when a DM tosses out a couple plot hooks he's planned ahead for and the PCs go "Fuck that, let's start a fight with an important NPC and the run off into the wilderness!" or something. So yeah. It's a balance.
Unarmed Kobolds\Goblins and Small Monsterous Spiders are the standard fare for 1st level characters.
But they're so booooring. It's fun once or twice, but after a certain number of low-level games you just start off thinking, "so, kobold cave or goblin fort this time?", so I generally try pretty hard to not do that for the first adventure. Hope no one will be disappointed by that.
Kinseti said that RP actions, and doing clever things like sneaking about and avoiding conflict will also net us EXP.
Yeah, as long as you're working towards some sort of goal or RPing, I'll be handing out some non-combat exp. I'll also go a little easy with the encounters/traps for the first session so I don't accidentally one-hit-kill a newbie right away. I would feel a little bad if that happened. I'll do my best to keep the veterans interested too, I'll just be playing it by ear I guess.
We either create a free online forum with a chatroom for this, or just add everyone on msn. OOC chat is aways a must for those moments you can't just refrain yourself from saying OMGPWNT.
Is everyone OK with OOC and IC stuff in the gametable chat? The games I play usually have a decent amount of OOC discussion mixed in with the IC and I've never done this online, I figured it would be fine to just keep it all in gametable.
well i was told 1 pm my time so ill go by that, and does anyone have a server i can try to conenct to?I'll host a server starting now for hopefully a couple hours for anybody who's nervous about getting gametable to work, although I may be AFK for a lot of the time.
Port : 6812
Password : dnd
IP : 96.54.19.144
Post by: Cthulhu on October 05, 2009, 07:52:41 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 07:55:29 pm
Post by: userpay on October 05, 2009, 08:10:45 pm
hell try mine, ip:70.134.93.98 password dnd
Post by: Enzo on October 05, 2009, 08:18:57 pm
Post by: userpay on October 05, 2009, 08:24:22 pm
RAWR NOTHING WORKS FOR ME TODAY. I don't even know. Someone else can host if I can't get this shit to work.have ye tried mine?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 05, 2009, 08:30:49 pm
IP: 74.215.124.24
Pass: dnd
Port: 6812
74.215.124.24
Password is dnd, port is 6812
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 08:38:54 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 05, 2009, 08:43:26 pm
I honestly don't have a full enough understanding to define what a port is with confidence. But you got on before, didn't you josh? So it must be unblocked in your firewall.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 05, 2009, 08:46:44 pm
If anyone here doesn't have a router, he can host and we're fine. The router is what messes stuff up.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 08:48:42 pm
97.84.163.22
Port: 6812
No password
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 08:49:01 pm
Post by: userpay on October 05, 2009, 08:54:39 pm
Let me try:I think i managed to join.
97.84.163.22
Port: 6812
No password
Post by: CJ1145 on October 05, 2009, 08:57:35 pm
Post by: RAM on October 05, 2009, 09:21:59 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 05, 2009, 09:22:45 pm
Bawwwww.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2009, 09:24:56 pm
I keep getting alot of Illegal pog transfers that are "aborted", which I'm assuming is Kinseti's work, and I'm probably messing up somewhere.
Anyway, a little tidbit when we were just screwing around in the practice session:
Quote
Rashilul: Stupid Bandit Jerk
Jack: RAPE!
Josh-dar the Awesome: Roll to avoid rape
Rashilul rolls d20: (d20) : [1] = 1
Josh-dar the Awesome: HA!
Rashilul: OH SHIT
Made me laugh.
Why am I the only one on the waiting list to produce a proper character sheet, I feel so left out :'(
Bawwwww.
Don't whine, get to making one.
Post by: RAM on October 05, 2009, 09:26:56 pm
But I could try for something I suppose...
Post by: Rashilul on October 05, 2009, 09:38:11 pm
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8648/pogo.png)
and put it in their game it would appear normally online?
Post by: Enzo on October 05, 2009, 09:55:41 pm
I keep getting alot of Illegal pog transfers that are "aborted", which I'm assuming is Kinseti's work, and I'm probably messing up somewhere.
I didn't load any pogs during the test-session, so it was probably someone doing something else.
Post by: Neruz on October 05, 2009, 10:34:51 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 01:52:22 am
I also gave your character a holy symbol instead of a spell component pouch, because I don't think divine casters need one. I couldn't think of a good holy symbol for an atheist, so it's in the shape of a brain.
If you're having trouble with Gametable you might want to try Maptool instead. www.rptools.net
Yeah, so I hear. No way I'm switching the day before the first session, but I'll look into it for next time.
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 02:03:21 am
Leafsnail! I forgot to say, I did your character sheet (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=158285) earlier this evening. I quickly picked a bunch of spells for you to have prepared the first day because I don't think you ever told me what you wanted. You can change those when/before we start if you want.Divine spellcasters still do need spell component pouch. Especially since some good spells use it(Augury, Bless Water, Restoration, Raise Dead, Ressurrection)
I also gave your character a holy symbol instead of a spell component pouch, because I don't think divine casters need one. I couldn't think of a good holy symbol for an atheist, so it's in the shape of a brain.
Post by: Neruz on October 06, 2009, 02:30:48 am
Leafsnail! I forgot to say, I did your character sheet (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=158285) earlier this evening. I quickly picked a bunch of spells for you to have prepared the first day because I don't think you ever told me what you wanted. You can change those when/before we start if you want.Divine spellcasters still do need spell component pouch. Especially since some good spells use it(Augury, Bless Water, Restoration, Raise Dead, Ressurrection)
I also gave your character a holy symbol instead of a spell component pouch, because I don't think divine casters need one. I couldn't think of a good holy symbol for an atheist, so it's in the shape of a brain.
Depends on the spell. if it has a F/DF or M/DF in as focus then Divine casters substitute spell components for their divine focus (Identify for example is free for Divine spellcasters, as they use their Holy Symbol as a focus, while Arcane spellcasters have to use a 100gp pearl that is used up during the spellcasting.)
Actually this is a good comparsion;
Identify has this for Components;
V, S, M/DF
Notice the M/DF, this means Arcane casters use a material (which is stated lower down) while Divine casters use their Divine Focus, this is why Identify is free for Divine casters (also note that the material component for Identify is called 'Arcane Material Component'.)
Raise dead on the other hand, has this;
V, S, M, DF
Notice that it's M, DF. This means that it requires both the materials (5,000 gp worth of diamonds) and a Divine Focus if you're a Divine caster. You don't need the Divine Focus if you're an Arcane caster.
Finally, Spell Component Pouches are only for 'costless' components. For example Grease has the following component;
Material Component
A bit of pork rind or butter.
Note how no price is given for this component; this is the kind of component the Spell Component Pouch provides. If you don't have a pouch you'd actually have to find a piece of pork rind or butter to cast Grease, but with the pouch the entire process is handwaved and it's assumed that the pouch carries any and all relevant 'no cost' components.
Identify (which requires that 100gp pearl for Arcane casters) is entirely unaffected by having a Spell Component Pouch or not, as the component listed is 'priced' and therefore must be purchased seperately anyway.
So so long as he's not planning on casting any spells with required Material Focuses, he dosen't need a Spell Component Pouch. Same with Raise Dead, Ressurection, True Ressurection and Restoration (but not Greater or Lesser Restoration).
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 06:30:26 am
Somebody try mine.
Just in case shit happens I'll keep my computer on all time :D
IP 193.59.16.153
Port: The same as everybody 6812 (maybe the port is the problem?)
no password
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 09:48:40 am
Nothing worksOkay I got onto your but its freaking slow, big lag between typing and it being put up.
Somebody try mine.
Just in case shit happens I'll keep my computer on all time :D
IP 193.59.16.153
Port: The same as everybody 6812 (maybe the port is the problem?)
no password
edit: better yet I've got maptool up from rptool site. I don't know what you'll need to connect so I'll just post the whole server info
name: b12
local address: 169.254.173.39
external address: 70.134.93.98
port: 51234
password should be dnd
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 09:51:54 am
I'll just see if it works for everybody
Post by: Leafsnail on October 06, 2009, 10:04:22 am
Leafsnail! I forgot to say, I did your character sheet (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=158285) earlier this evening. I quickly picked a bunch of spells for you to have prepared the first day because I don't think you ever told me what you wanted. You can change those when/before we start if you want.The spells look fine, I guess. I don't need any cure spells, since I can just spontaneously cast those. The only thing is that I'm not sure if I can cast "Doom" without needing Atonement - can I use it against an aggressive enemy without losing powers? If not, I might switch it out for Sanctuary or Shield of Faith (although I don't have the Holy Parchment, I guess).
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I also gave your character a holy symbol instead of a spell component pouch, because I don't think divine casters need one. I couldn't think of a good holy symbol for an atheist, so it's in the shape of a brain.I won't need the spell component pouch for a while, I think (although there may be some that need it), and the holy symbol sounds fine. I was trying to think of something that would convey independent mindedness, but a brain should do fine.
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 10:08:52 am
Kinseti: Please consider maptool. I don't know if it's as intuitive as gametable but I bet it will work better
EDIT:
Userpay: First IP: connection time out
Second IP: Refuse to connect
I have bad luck with errors :(
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 10:13:07 am
Leafsnail: You're an atheist! You don't need to atone to no one but yourself for breaking your own moral values ::)Eh I'm trying to shit around with it though then again I didn't do much with gametable except draw some stickfigures. Or at least I wasn't around when ye guys did the test game.
Kinseti: Please consider maptool. I don't know if it's as intuitive as gametable but I bet it will work better
edit:if ye guys do connect I may not respond due to doing something else, I'm not sure what kind of control non gm people have so after trying to connect to me whoever is going to be dm (there are two people possibly isnt there?) make their own to mess with it.
Post by: Reasonableman on October 06, 2009, 10:24:21 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 10:26:15 am
Out of curiousity you guise, is there any way to spectate?
You can just join us, and not say or do anything that would bother us. You can watch just fine.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 06, 2009, 10:26:59 am
Anyway, just to remember, I'm Lawful Good rather than Retarded Good. Here's the difference:
Lawful Good Atheist walks into town and meets a high priest. They talk, exchange advice, and LGA accepts his quest, but with the intention of returning and trying to convert people to thinking for themselves later, when he's stronger.
Retarded Good Atheist sees the priest and immediately decides to bash his head in, in full view of the level 10 guards surrounding him.
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 11:45:02 am
The material components for those spells, in order of listing :Leafsnail! I forgot to say, I did your character sheet (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=158285) earlier this evening. I quickly picked a bunch of spells for you to have prepared the first day because I don't think you ever told me what you wanted. You can change those when/before we start if you want.Divine spellcasters still do need spell component pouch. Especially since some good spells use it(Augury, Bless Water, Restoration, Raise Dead, Ressurrection)
I also gave your character a holy symbol instead of a spell component pouch, because I don't think divine casters need one. I couldn't think of a good holy symbol for an atheist, so it's in the shape of a brain.
5 pounds of powdered silver (worth 25 gp).
A set of marked sticks, bones, or similar tokens of at least 25 gp value.
Diamond dust worth 100 gp that is sprinkled over the target.
Diamonds worth a total of least 5,000 gp.
A sprinkle of holy water and diamonds worth a total of at least 10,000 gp.
All of which are priced and would therefore not appear in a component pouch.
EDIT:userpay hosting the server hasn't worked for anyone yet, it's not you. Cthulhu suspects his router is blocking it. chaoticjosh hosted a test yesterday that had 7 or 8 people on it without any problems, he's hosting the game. If he can manage to get the server up early you can check, I guess, otherwise I'm just going to assume you're being paranoid and it's going to work.
Userpay: First IP: connection time out
Second IP: Refuse to connect
I have bad luck with errors :(
Yup. I have problem with spectators as long as nobody is causing problems.Out of curiousity you guise, is there any way to spectate?
You can just join us, and not say or do anything that would bother us. You can watch just fine.
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 12:04:48 pm
I'll just check here for updates, whether or not the server is up and such
and I would be really happy if we put up the server a little sooner.
thanks in advance ;)
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 12:12:38 pm
edit: ill leave this maptool one up for people to try and connect to while I'm at class.
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 01:00:39 pm
CJ : Just a note, wizards have a +2 Base Will Save at first level, add that to you char sheet.
Oh, yeah, I'll look into map tool for next session since it sounds better but I'm not going to switch on such short notice for this one.
Post by: Akigagak on October 06, 2009, 01:14:18 pm
And what is forum time for you? Mine's GMT +0.
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 01:26:26 pm
(about 1 and a half)
Damn, writing my homework and playing simultaneously will be funny as banana.
Don't worry I can totally pull this off.
Chemistry exam tommorow :/
Being a procrastrate sucks :/
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 01:29:31 pm
What are the server details for gametable?
And what is forum time for you? Mine's GMT +0.
Really? Mines GMT -5. Since I'm GMT -8, I figured the forum clock was just GMT -5 for everyone. Weird. Oh well. Scratch the forum-time reasoning I guess.
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 01:34:28 pm
oi the one im hosting right now is maptool.I think you chose a lower version because it says on the server list "Pre 1.3" next to yours, which I'm assuming is the one names b12. :\
edit: ill leave this maptool one up for people to try and connect to while I'm at class.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 06, 2009, 01:36:39 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 01:39:21 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 06, 2009, 01:44:12 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 06, 2009, 01:48:43 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 01:49:28 pm
It seems my server works with anybody but is very laggy.
So we'll see about that
EDIT UP: Sorry I stopped hosting for a while to try join CJ
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 01:54:49 pm
Hey Kinseti, is there anything to my character that is missing? Or anyone else's character that needs something added?
No, I think you're good. I checked your stuff while I was making your sheet.
I think josh's server may not be up yet which is why you can't connect.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 01:56:03 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 01:57:06 pm
Yeah, I'm not hosting right now. Should I be? Do you have to get anything set up Kinseti?
I don't, Rooster just wanted to make sure he could connect since he wasn't around when we tried yesterday.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 06, 2009, 02:01:13 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 02:03:05 pm
I tend to be ill-informed person, or I just was at school.
Just saying.
And yeah I'm paranoid about the fact that I failed to connect to anyone.
The game starts in 1 hour. So please put up a server soon so that I can see if I can join kay?
Thanks in advance
EDIT: A technical question. How do you roll the dice?
EDIT DOWN: That's gotta be our theme song :D
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 02:03:47 pm
One hour! Are you excited?
Get pumped up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AfNOKQdY-U
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 02:08:36 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 06, 2009, 02:10:15 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 06, 2009, 02:11:23 pm
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 02:11:41 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 02:16:45 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 06, 2009, 02:18:35 pm
It appeared in the chat window when I just tested it now.
Post by: Dakk on October 06, 2009, 02:25:06 pm
Also, D&D question: How do I calculate how many attacks per round I can do?
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 02:28:30 pm
Ya whoevers we are using post the info again.
I'm assuming that I'll be hosting everyone, so the information again is:
97.84.163.22
Don't change port number
no password
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 02:29:17 pm
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 02:32:13 pm
oi I think you mean port 6812 or at least that is the one I'm able to connect to.Ya whoevers we are using post the info again.
I'm assuming that I'll be hosting everyone, so the information again is:
97.84.163.22
9816
no password
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 02:32:34 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 02:33:21 pm
(concerning changing the name)
Dakk: You state your nickname and a character name and there you go
(concerning server)
Leafsor: We're playing on Chaoticjosh's hosting
Post by: Akigagak on October 06, 2009, 02:34:11 pm
Traditionally, it's one, but once your base attack bonus starts splitting (+6/+1) that mean you have more attacks.
Or if you wield two weapons, you get a bonus attack that is more likely to miss.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 02:37:32 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 02:38:56 pm
Even then you'll suck eventually :/
Why? Because of having to waste many feats just to be able to negate immense minuses to attack.
Yeah I rather have two-handed weapons than fight two-handed :)
FIXD
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 02:48:15 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 02:50:04 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 02:54:12 pm
Are you using the IP and didn't change your port Rooster? CJ was able to get on just a second ago.
Uh... No I didn't. It says disconnected at the corner. Unless I'm connected, but you can see my posts but I can't see anyone else's. That would suck.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 02:54:50 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 02:57:05 pm
Seriously, are you just fucking ignoring me?!! I CANNOT CONNECT!
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 03:01:14 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:04:33 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:05:52 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 06, 2009, 03:10:16 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:12:05 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 03:13:12 pm
9812
no password
Are you adhering to this?
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:13:51 pm
97.84.163.22
9812
no password
Are you adhering to this?
When the hell did we change the port? That might be the problem.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:16:40 pm
And yes, I'm following that to the letter other CJ.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 06, 2009, 03:17:10 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 03:17:50 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 03:19:55 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 06, 2009, 03:20:35 pm
There shoudl only be 7 people with no observers.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:21:20 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 03:22:41 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:24:43 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:29:22 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 06, 2009, 03:29:35 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 03:32:08 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 03:34:35 pm
We're just about to start without you, it's been a half hour.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 03:45:35 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 06, 2009, 03:46:42 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 06, 2009, 03:48:02 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 06, 2009, 04:12:20 pm
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 05:15:55 pm
Quick sugestion guys, use msn or a online private chatroom (like chatango) for OOC chat, i feel its sorta cluttering the main chat.We need to take all chat out of the game, eventually it slows down.
edit: okay maptool server is back up,
name b12
local 169.254.173.39
external 70.134.93.98
port 51234
try this out though id like to stay with gametable and move chat out of it entirly
Post by: Rooster on October 06, 2009, 05:19:09 pm
Thanks for hosting us ChaoticJosh till next time
Its my first game in many years
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 05:23:21 pm
I was really expecting more to get done in that session, but I suppose various problems were bound to arise the first time. Sometime soon I will look into maptool and if organizing another session before next Tuesday would be doable.
Post by: Rashilul on October 06, 2009, 05:24:40 pm
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 05:30:11 pm
eidt: temoraraly shutting down maptool server.
edit2:okay its back up but it looks like if we use maptool we will end up using 4 different programs, gametable is much better.
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 05:30:39 pm
Wrong version. Current version is 1.3.b59 :PQuick sugestion guys, use msn or a online private chatroom (like chatango) for OOC chat, i feel its sorta cluttering the main chat.We need to take all chat out of the game, eventually it slows down.
edit: okay maptool server is back up,
name b12
local 169.254.173.39
external 70.134.93.98
port 51234
try this out though id like to stay with gametable and move chat out of it entirly
Post by: Reasonableman on October 06, 2009, 05:35:14 pm
That stops the lag. Also, I'll be poking my head in each time, and possibly livestreaming it again for other observers, barring objections.
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 05:43:35 pm
Fine fine ill open the development version. I just watched a tutorial for the pog maker thing rptools has and its actually kinda neat, we may beable to use it for gametable.Wrong version. Current version is 1.3.b59 :PQuick sugestion guys, use msn or a online private chatroom (like chatango) for OOC chat, i feel its sorta cluttering the main chat.We need to take all chat out of the game, eventually it slows down.
edit: okay maptool server is back up,
name b12
local 169.254.173.39
external 70.134.93.98
port 51234
try this out though id like to stay with gametable and move chat out of it entirly
edit: okay got the new version up, i think its same info as posted before.
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 05:46:45 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 05:49:17 pm
Drat, I had to get off of my computer for a while. when did it end?
At about quarter after I think?
I feel I should mention, I'm still getting used to handling everything on the computer and everyone wanting to do different things ALL AT THE SAME TIME (out of battle, at least). As well as the screw-plot-let's-find-a-dungeon playstyle, but I think the next session will be a little smoother and more adventurous. How could a cliche'd destroyed keep NOT contain some manner of adventure?
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 06:01:00 pm
edit: score found a tutorial for the maptool on connecting people, http://rptoolstutorials.net/videos/CompConnect/CompConnect.html
I'm watching it now
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 06:02:40 pm
^Tutorial about connecting computers and a little part at the end about dealing with routers.^
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 06:07:45 pm
Oh well, time for more magic missile and ultimately out-doing the sorcerer. How much xp do we need to level anyways?
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 06:22:14 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 06:28:32 pm
So, all in all a good session! I admit I did better than I thought I would at being a comedic, somewhat creepy necromancer. If we're entering the dungeon first thing in the in-game morning I think I'll be packing a bit more in the way of combat. I actually only had two offensive spells for the first day, as I didn't expect much fighting.
Oh well, time for more magic missile and ultimately out-doing the sorcerer. How much xp do we need to level anyways?
1000 xp to level 2. The reason you got so little for that first encounter was because there was pretty much no threat. Heh, Apparently the RNGod doesn't want to give you good rolls in battle, just when you're screwing around with the populace. He is a fickle Lord.
Oh yeah, I'm going to assume (since I'm so nice) you guys wanted Lefsor to spontaneously cast his healing spells before you guys bunked up for the night. Riiight?
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 06:31:21 pm
Eh sure, so does that mean I should change my char sheet to being back to full health? And I've posted a query to the rptool forum about router shit so maybe we can get something worked out here.So, all in all a good session! I admit I did better than I thought I would at being a comedic, somewhat creepy necromancer. If we're entering the dungeon first thing in the in-game morning I think I'll be packing a bit more in the way of combat. I actually only had two offensive spells for the first day, as I didn't expect much fighting.
Oh well, time for more magic missile and ultimately out-doing the sorcerer. How much xp do we need to level anyways?
1000 xp to level 2. The reason you got so little for that first encounter was because there was pretty much no threat. Heh, Apparently the RNGod doesn't want to give you good rolls in battle, just when you're screwing around with the populace. He is a fickle Lord.
Oh yeah, I'm going to assume (since I'm so nice) you guys wanted Lefsor to spontaneously cast his healing spells before you guys bunked up for the night. Riiight?
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 06:36:34 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 06, 2009, 06:57:35 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 07:01:40 pm
So, all in all a good session! I admit I did better than I thought I would at being a comedic, somewhat creepy necromancer. If we're entering the dungeon first thing in the in-game morning I think I'll be packing a bit more in the way of combat. I actually only had two offensive spells for the first day, as I didn't expect much fighting.
Oh well, time for more magic missile and ultimately out-doing the sorcerer. How much xp do we need to level anyways?
Yeah, you're plans to screw over the party by angering the locals at the beginning was thwarted pretty handily by lady luck granting you natural 20's left and right...
Maybe someone should explain the rules in a bit more detail before the next session. I noticed a disturbing number of "Is that a d20?" questions being asked.
Hey, we're just getting used to this stuff.
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 07:25:03 pm
They deleted your post. :\Actually I think they prescreen the stuff before it goes out, one of the admins replied to it but didn't actually say anything, he only quoted the part about it being password protected and didn't say anything about solutions or about my other question i had in the post.
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 07:31:54 pm
Oh. I thought that was only in the LFG section. ',=\They deleted your post. :\Actually I think they prescreen the stuff before it goes out, one of the admins replied to it but didn't actually say anything, he only quoted the part about it being password protected and didn't say anything about solutions or about my other question i had in the post.
Post by: Neruz on October 06, 2009, 07:34:02 pm
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 07:34:44 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 07:36:21 pm
Eh sure, so does that mean I should change my char sheet to being back to full health?
Yeah, I decided to just roll it now and he had enough juice to heal everyone. From now on remember to do that yourselves, but Leafsnail wasn't even around so it seems a little dickish to go "OH HO HO YOU GUYS FORGOT ENJOY YOUR DAMAGE".
Maybe someone should explain the rules in a bit more detail before the next session. I noticed a disturbing number of "Is that a d20?" questions being asked.
Eh, I've found when I try to explain everything it just sounds really confusing and then once people have fought one or two battles they go "oh, that's not so hard". Basically I guess:
Initiative is rolled at the beginning of a battle, it is a d20 plus your initiative bonus. This determines battle order. Some battles require a spot or listen check to determine if anyone gets a surprise round, in which only they may act and all other characters are flatfooted (No dexterity bonus to AC).
When you're making a non-magical attack, first you roll a d20, add (or subtract) your attack bonus, if this exceeds your opponents AC you hit, at which point you roll for damage. If a creature has damage resistance (only stronger creatures have this), this number is outright subtracted from any damage dealt. So if you roll a 7 for damage and a creature has DR 5, you'll only deal 2 damage. Some stronger creatures also regenerate HP each turn.
Characters between -1 and -9 HP are unconscious and lose one HP per round, they become stable if healed by another character (they stop losing HP). They also have a 1/10 chance to become stable on their own, at which point they only lose 1HP per hour. This is why you don't need to cast Magic Missile on a opponent that's already negative HP, unless you expect them to get healed.
Magical attacks pretty much vary by the spell, but most require a touch attack (armour and weapon bonuses are negated), or a Saving Throw. Saving Throws are a d20 plus your applicable bonus, if they exceed the difficulty class of the spell it's negated.
If you preform certain actions within the melee attack range of another character (moving past them, casting a spell, various other things) they will get an attack of opportunity against you, which is basically a free attack they take without it being their turn. Players get these too. This is probably the most-forgotten-about rule, I'll warn you if the action you chose provokes an attack of opportunity.
Anything else worth stating?
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 06, 2009, 07:39:05 pm
That's a good place for resources. I especially love the Tricks and Traps book in the Traps section.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 08:24:05 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 08:28:00 pm
Might as well throw it out there, but my original plan in the bar was actually to befriend the bartender with Charm Person, then give him a friendly pat on the bat with Fatigue Person, and convince him to go take a nap while I run the bar. I then proceed to rob him blind.
You DID get us free drinks (which didn't seem to benefit us that much really) and you THOROUGHLY creeped out that hooded stranger. Plus, you got us free directions from those commoners by threatening them with a badger.
Post by: Rashilul on October 06, 2009, 08:29:54 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 08:33:59 pm
Also, I would like an honest opinion: Will Richard become grating? I mean, that's my goal to a certain extent, but I don't want to ruin the fun of everyone else just for my own amusement. Based on the first session do you think he'll be bearable, or should I tone it down a bit?
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 08:39:06 pm
Might as well throw it out there, but my original plan in the bar was actually to befriend the bartender with Charm Person, then give him a friendly pat on the bat with Fatigue Person, and convince him to go take a nap while I run the bar. I then proceed to rob him blind.You DID get us free drinks (which didn't seem to benefit us that much really) and you THOROUGHLY creeped out that hooded stranger. Plus, you got us free directions from those commoners by threatening them with a badger.
Actually, Cthulhu got the free drinks. He told the bartender if he started a tab he'd be able to pay him in a week, with a 19 or 20 on the bluff check. And the badger was completely unnecessary. The half-elf secret handshake was a nice touch though.
...A hooded stranger?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hey, you guys voted for generic fantasy world. Generic fantasy worlds have hooded strangers in taverns. It's a staple of the genre.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 06, 2009, 08:45:01 pm
And the badger was completely unnecessary.
The best part? All I needed to do was grab a candle off the wall and I would have actually done it. Which reminds me, I'll need to borrow a candle before we head inside the dungeon.
And last question, I forget these things, but was my spellbook free? If so, I need to buy some more stuff.
Post by: Rashilul on October 06, 2009, 08:45:49 pm
No, he was too much of an asshole to be Strider. Strider was not an asshole, he was just flat-out awesome.I don't know, Strider was a pretty big asshole in the tavern. A creepy one at that.
Also, I would like an honest opinion: Will Richard become grating? I mean, that's my goal to a certain extent, but I don't want to ruin the fun of everyone else just for my own amusement. Based on the first session do you think he'll be bearable, or should I tone it down a bit?
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 09:21:07 pm
Gah, I'm so disorganized. Yyyyyyes, I suppose the wizards spellbook being free would be fair, since it's basically a class requirement. I think when I decided the component pouches would be free we only had a sorcerer. But since you waited until the second session to ask you just get the gp, you can't go shopping in the forest. Also, I'm writing a note to myself to NOT FORGET that you have a donkey next session. I forgot about ThunderHoof in the chaos of getting everyone signed on and working properly.
Double-also, userpay, you told me to update your availability for Thursday but then I got sidetracked and forgot when you'd be busy. Could you remind me? Because thursday would be our shot if we were trying again this week.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 09:28:30 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 09:31:04 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2009, 09:32:29 pm
Jinglebells the trouser-snake?
EXACTLY!
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 09:39:33 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 06, 2009, 09:45:34 pm
Jinglebells the trouser-snake?EXACTLY!
I say sir, that is a fine name for a familiar.
Thursday from about 12:30pm to 2:00pm or so.
Ah, I see. I just realized rooster wouldn't be available thursdays anyway. I guess we're stuck on Tuesdays until you can do weekends then.
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 10:02:10 pm
I was gonna say, i mightof been able to skip this weeks meeting if i had to.Jinglebells the trouser-snake?EXACTLY!
I say sir, that is a fine name for a familiar.Thursday from about 12:30pm to 2:00pm or so.
Ah, I see. I just realized rooster wouldn't be available thursdays anyway. I guess we're stuck on Tuesdays until you can do weekends then.
Post by: Neruz on October 06, 2009, 11:48:38 pm
Wait. Candle? What? Candles summon badgers? That statement lost me.
A Candle is one of the Arcane Material Components for Summon Monster.
Post by: userpay on October 06, 2009, 11:54:23 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 07, 2009, 12:20:59 am
Actually a weeks wait is kinda nice because gives time for a switch over to maptool if thats what we are going to do.
Yeah, I'm fine with one session a week. If we can swing two that would be great, but I wouldn't make someone skip one just so we could.
Wait. Candle? What? Candles summon badgers? That statement lost me.A Candle is one of the Arcane Material Components for Summon Monster.
Yes! I should have remembered that. I suppose I'll be doing more reading up this week. It's funny, you always seem to make the wrong preparations for first session. So many NPCs not talked to, plot hooks not mentioned, didn't even make it to the dungeon...Now I remember the joys of DMing!
Post by: Rashilul on October 07, 2009, 12:40:12 am
Post by: Neruz on October 07, 2009, 12:48:45 am
Yes! I should have remembered that. I suppose I'll be doing more reading up this week. It's funny, you always seem to make the wrong preparations for first session. So many NPCs not talked to, plot hooks not mentioned, didn't even make it to the dungeon...Now I remember the joys of DMing!
Isn't it fun?
Post by: Rashilul on October 07, 2009, 01:47:17 am
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Post by: Rooster on October 07, 2009, 08:38:47 am
Too bad we can't make it on weekends :(
Also maybe I was critically hit, but I have the most awesome fox killing power in the team sir!
Barbarians kill enemies like crops of grain!
Post by: Leafsnail on October 07, 2009, 09:52:10 am
Post by: Dakk on October 07, 2009, 10:58:40 am
Next week is completely college-less for me, so I'll be watching the next
Post by: Enzo on October 07, 2009, 11:50:00 am
Apparently I didn't look closely enough at Richards Character Sheet initially, it being the last one up and having thought CJ had played before... You forgot ranks, racial modifiers, and your familiar. Those sort of things will be useful.
Overseeing character creation for people is apparently a lot harder over the internet >_> I guess it's sort of good we didn't get very far in the first session so we can make sure this stuff is figured out before those sorts of bonuses make a life-or-death difference.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 07, 2009, 11:54:07 am
As for the other things... that's why I hated Mythweavers and wanted help. I chose skill ranks in the java creator, but I can't figure out how to port them. And what are my racial modifiers anyways?
Post by: Dakk on October 07, 2009, 11:58:27 am
Also, for skills, check out other people's character sheet for reference. What you do is add in how much ranks you put on a certain skill + the modifier from the stat that boosts said skill. Like, if you got a strenght modifier of +2, and you put 4 ranks into jump, then the total rank of your jump skill would be 6 = 4 + 2.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 07, 2009, 12:18:28 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 07, 2009, 12:26:38 pm
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Post by: Enzo on October 07, 2009, 12:28:36 pm
Half elves also get:
Immunity to magical sleep,
+2 on saving throws against enchantment spells or effects,
Low-Light Vision.
Which you can put under Feats and Special Abilities so you don't forget. You could also copy :
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Hawk familiar:
Str 6 Dex 17 Con 10 Int 6 Wis 14 Chr 6;
Hit points: 2;
Initiative +3 (dex);
Speed 10 ft.,
fly 60 ft. (average);
AC: 18 (+2 size, +3 dex, +2 natural, +1 level);
Claws +5 melee, Claws 1d4-2;
Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +4, Listen +6, Spot +6, weapon finesse (claws) Alertness feat when in arm's reach; improved evasion; share spells; empathic link;
Into notes or something, in case we need his stats. He's presumed to just be perched on your shoulder until you need him.
Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by "physical character sheet"? What did you use?
Post by: CJ1145 on October 07, 2009, 12:36:44 pm
If we needed an actual sheet for the sake of simplicity, none of us owned anything like Mythweaver's, so we just sort of listed them on a blank sheet of notebook paper.
And thanks for the info on the familar. Will add the rest of that stuff to my sheet.
Post by: Rooster on October 07, 2009, 02:34:26 pm
(I bring it up cause it's so silent here)
We should pick up a party leader that does all the talking.
My heart almost stopped when Richard crossed the counter and cast that spell...
Also it would ease greatly our DM, cause we constanly try to do our actions simultaneously to others.
I vote Chaotic Josh for obvious reason of having the highest social skills
We should also discuss our basic formation. (we took 20 mins to figure that one out)
I think I should be in the front at all times ! Also a rectangle like formation will not work cause we're exposing our weakest party members to side attacks.
I think we should do a triangle. I'm in the front (1st row) obviously then our fighter and cleric
with wizards covering the back along with simo.
Like this :
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R S J
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Everyone agree?
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 07, 2009, 03:03:04 pm
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ESJRL
GSquishy spellcasters in the center, and the guys with more HP covering the sides and powerhouse Gurk leading the party so he's able to close into any monsters we encounter asap. Provided we never pause for significant lengths of time or move backwards for any reason, I don't think monsters will ever be able to attack us directly from behind.
And yes, I think I should be the first person to try to talk to people, so we make good first impressions.
Post by: userpay on October 07, 2009, 03:09:43 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 07, 2009, 03:20:28 pm
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Not bad. I even kinda like this formation.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 07, 2009, 03:46:31 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 07, 2009, 05:01:46 pm
Post by: userpay on October 07, 2009, 05:05:10 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 07, 2009, 05:05:52 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 07, 2009, 05:25:01 pm
To the guys who are DM's what is the roll for figuring out your health? I've used the char gen but I'm making another char for a different group and I relized I don't know the correct roll, the guys a lvl 3.
Your class will have a Hit Dice (it'll be a D4, D6, D8, D10 or D12 depending on class). Each level you get you roll the appropriate dice and add your constiution modifier (not the score, the modifier is the +1 you have for a 12 Constitution for example. If you have a negative modifier, you subtract it.) And add the final number to your HP. You always get at least 1 HP per level, so if you have a negative con modifier and the final result is below 1, you get 1.
You also get max HP for first level (So if i have a D10 HD, at first level my HP is 10+Con Modifier).
Post by: userpay on October 07, 2009, 05:38:19 pm
So for a fighter I'd be rolling a d10 right? So in the case of a new lvl 3 it would be 10 + 2d10 + 3?.To the guys who are DM's what is the roll for figuring out your health? I've used the char gen but I'm making another char for a different group and I relized I don't know the correct roll, the guys a lvl 3.
Your class will have a Hit Dice (it'll be a D4, D6, D8, D10 or D12 depending on class). Each level you get you roll the appropriate dice and add your constiution modifier (not the score, the modifier is the +1 you have for a 12 Constitution for example. If you have a negative modifier, you subtract it.) And add the final number to your HP. You always get at least 1 HP per level, so if you have a negative con modifier and the final result is below 1, you get 1.
You also get max HP for first level (So if i have a D10 HD, at first level my HP is 10+Con Modifier).
edit: also I'm looking up some extra feats and I see some that say in prerequisets weapon focus (weapon) which I understand but what I don't understand is that some say Proficiency with (weapon). Does that mean just being able to use that weapon (like having martial weapon feat) or some specific feat for that weapon?
Post by: Jack_Bread on October 07, 2009, 07:01:02 pm
Proficiency with (weapon) means you have the <Simple, Martial, Exotic> Weapon Proficiency with the weapon. If you're a fighter, you are already proficient with Simple and Martial weapons, so you can get it unless you're using an Exotic weapon.So for a fighter I'd be rolling a d10 right? So in the case of a new lvl 3 it would be 10 + 2d10 + 3?.To the guys who are DM's what is the roll for figuring out your health? I've used the char gen but I'm making another char for a different group and I relized I don't know the correct roll, the guys a lvl 3.
Your class will have a Hit Dice (it'll be a D4, D6, D8, D10 or D12 depending on class). Each level you get you roll the appropriate dice and add your constiution modifier (not the score, the modifier is the +1 you have for a 12 Constitution for example. If you have a negative modifier, you subtract it.) And add the final number to your HP. You always get at least 1 HP per level, so if you have a negative con modifier and the final result is below 1, you get 1.
You also get max HP for first level (So if i have a D10 HD, at first level my HP is 10+Con Modifier).
edit: also I'm looking up some extra feats and I see some that say in prerequisets weapon focus (weapon) which I understand but what I don't understand is that some say Proficiency with (weapon). Does that mean just being able to use that weapon (like having martial weapon feat) or some specific feat for that weapon?
Post by: userpay on October 07, 2009, 07:25:41 pm
Okay cool, heh this is gonna be one badass warforged.Proficiency with (weapon) means you have the <Simple, Martial, Exotic> Weapon Proficiency with the weapon. If you're a fighter, you are already proficient with Simple and Martial weapons, so you can get it unless you're using an Exotic weapon.So for a fighter I'd be rolling a d10 right? So in the case of a new lvl 3 it would be 10 + 2d10 + 3?.To the guys who are DM's what is the roll for figuring out your health? I've used the char gen but I'm making another char for a different group and I relized I don't know the correct roll, the guys a lvl 3.
Your class will have a Hit Dice (it'll be a D4, D6, D8, D10 or D12 depending on class). Each level you get you roll the appropriate dice and add your constiution modifier (not the score, the modifier is the +1 you have for a 12 Constitution for example. If you have a negative modifier, you subtract it.) And add the final number to your HP. You always get at least 1 HP per level, so if you have a negative con modifier and the final result is below 1, you get 1.
You also get max HP for first level (So if i have a D10 HD, at first level my HP is 10+Con Modifier).
edit: also I'm looking up some extra feats and I see some that say in prerequisets weapon focus (weapon) which I understand but what I don't understand is that some say Proficiency with (weapon). Does that mean just being able to use that weapon (like having martial weapon feat) or some specific feat for that weapon?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 07, 2009, 08:20:46 pm
I like josh's formation, as long as the dungeon does not allow for an uber attack directly from behind it should work marvelously when we enter tomorrow. Also, keep in mind that Richard gets a +3 to all Bluff checks, so if we need to lie keep in mind that he's particularly good at it. Also come to him for anything magical. ANYTHING. +7 in Spellcraft is a wondrous thing to behold.
Simo's bluff bonus is +4 and he's not a creepy weirdo who casts hostile enchantments on people in public places, so I think he should be doing the lying instead of Richard.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 07, 2009, 08:36:37 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 07, 2009, 08:50:36 pm
I feel i should point out that it costs 100gp and takes 24 hours to acquire a familiar, so generally you don't have the resources to start with one unless the DM is feeling charitable and gives you one. Also note that Familiars are even more fragile than you (which is an impressive feat in and of itself) and there are huge-ass penalties for losing your familiar, so if you intend to use him to deliver touch spells in combat make sure you buff him good.
Huh, you're right, but the people I played with always started casters with familiars for some reason.
I guess we were charitable like that. Philanthropists, every one of us.
You guys keep forgetting the fact that not only did I NOT get us killed by the bartender, I also creeped the hooded man into telling us about the fort, and then threatened a villager with a badger to tell us the exact location.
I feel I should point out, having a friendly NPC not kill you is not an accomplishment, and the other two actions were completely unnecessary to get the desired result.
Post by: Neruz on October 07, 2009, 10:12:57 pm
So for a fighter I'd be rolling a d10 right? So in the case of a new lvl 3 it would be 10 + 2d10 + 3?.To the guys who are DM's what is the roll for figuring out your health? I've used the char gen but I'm making another char for a different group and I relized I don't know the correct roll, the guys a lvl 3.
Your class will have a Hit Dice (it'll be a D4, D6, D8, D10 or D12 depending on class). Each level you get you roll the appropriate dice and add your constiution modifier (not the score, the modifier is the +1 you have for a 12 Constitution for example. If you have a negative modifier, you subtract it.) And add the final number to your HP. You always get at least 1 HP per level, so if you have a negative con modifier and the final result is below 1, you get 1.
You also get max HP for first level (So if i have a D10 HD, at first level my HP is 10+Con Modifier).
edit: also I'm looking up some extra feats and I see some that say in prerequisets weapon focus (weapon) which I understand but what I don't understand is that some say Proficiency with (weapon). Does that mean just being able to use that weapon (like having martial weapon feat) or some specific feat for that weapon?
Yes, except you get your Con bonus every level, so it's 10 + 2d10 + 9 (i'm assuming your con bonus is +3? If it's only +1 then, uh, squishy :P)
Post by: Neruz on October 07, 2009, 10:21:22 pm
Jodhu has an absurdly high bluff check. Persuasive + Snake Familiar + 18 Charisma + 4 Ranks. I think it's the highest possible bluff check for first level without magical enhancement.
Heh heh, no.
Post by: Enzo on October 07, 2009, 10:33:27 pm
And what is your aversion to the edit button? :(
Post by: Neruz on October 07, 2009, 10:42:17 pm
No what?
And what is your aversion to the edit button? :(
Forgot that i'd posted before actually :P
And hey, i quoted the wrong part. Allow me to fex.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 07, 2009, 10:49:43 pm
Jodhu has an absurdly high bluff check. Persuasive + Snake Familiar + 18 Charisma + 4 Ranks. I think it's the highest possible bluff check for first level without magical enhancement.
Heh heh, no.
Are you telling me there's a way I could've gotten it even higher?!
Post by: Neruz on October 07, 2009, 10:58:21 pm
They ended up with a character that could beat the DC 150 Diplomacy check to turn a hostile creature into a fanatic allied with you at around level 13 if memory serves.
Post by: userpay on October 07, 2009, 11:08:08 pm
Ah good, I was gonna say it seemed a bit low compared to what the char gen had but we had to use the dice rollers on the forums its on.So for a fighter I'd be rolling a d10 right? So in the case of a new lvl 3 it would be 10 + 2d10 + 3?.To the guys who are DM's what is the roll for figuring out your health? I've used the char gen but I'm making another char for a different group and I relized I don't know the correct roll, the guys a lvl 3.
Your class will have a Hit Dice (it'll be a D4, D6, D8, D10 or D12 depending on class). Each level you get you roll the appropriate dice and add your constiution modifier (not the score, the modifier is the +1 you have for a 12 Constitution for example. If you have a negative modifier, you subtract it.) And add the final number to your HP. You always get at least 1 HP per level, so if you have a negative con modifier and the final result is below 1, you get 1.
You also get max HP for first level (So if i have a D10 HD, at first level my HP is 10+Con Modifier).
edit: also I'm looking up some extra feats and I see some that say in prerequisets weapon focus (weapon) which I understand but what I don't understand is that some say Proficiency with (weapon). Does that mean just being able to use that weapon (like having martial weapon feat) or some specific feat for that weapon?
Yes, except you get your Con bonus every level, so it's 10 + 2d10 + 9 (i'm assuming your con bonus is +3? If it's only +1 then, uh, squishy :P)
Post by: theevilmonk on October 08, 2009, 12:29:44 am
Jodhu has an absurdly high bluff check. Persuasive + Snake Familiar + 18 Charisma + 4 Ranks. I think it's the highest possible bluff check for first level without magical enhancement.Heh heh, no.
Are you telling me there's a way I could've gotten it even higher?!
to start you could have been human and also got skill focus(bluff)
Post by: Neruz on October 08, 2009, 02:10:30 am
It's been awhile, but if i recall correctly using a standard point-buy stat array the CharOp boards managed to get a base bluff modifier of ~+30 at level 1 (you can get it almost the same for just about any skill). It requires the use of splatbooks and soforth, but it's doable.
They ended up with a character that could beat the DC 150 Diplomacy check to turn a hostile creature into a fanatic allied with you at around level 13 if memory serves.
Post by: Akigagak on October 08, 2009, 02:24:16 am
Postpone my turn until their back up.
Sorry.
Post by: Muz on October 08, 2009, 04:57:32 am
Post by: RAM on October 08, 2009, 06:36:33 am
Post by: userpay on October 08, 2009, 11:06:23 am
Post by: Rooster on October 08, 2009, 11:24:53 am
We already have our equipment so why do you need this?
Post by: userpay on October 08, 2009, 11:56:41 am
It's in players manual for sure ;) jkIts for a different group, but its not listed in the SRD.
We already have our equipment so why do you need this?
Post by: Dakk on October 08, 2009, 12:30:22 pm
Post by: userpay on October 08, 2009, 02:21:14 pm
Richard seems veeeeery squishy, ye should abstain from threatning people with badgers for now.We are all damn squishy, at least he can summon something that can briefly protect him. Actually if that fox that crited Gurk had hit Simo he would have died. At least that wouldn't have been as fast as getting killed by the bartender or something.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 08, 2009, 02:39:54 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 08, 2009, 02:48:45 pm
put us in mortal danger less than half a minute in
Post by: Dakk on October 08, 2009, 03:19:50 pm
Seriously, though, why do you guys hate Richard so much? Even if he put us in mortal danger less than half a minute in, you still must admit that he was amusing. I'm trying to form his relations early on: his rivalry with the sorcerer, his hatred for the dwarf, and a few others I'm not certain of. Oh, and his comical disdain for all other forms of life, save badgers, donkeys, and his familiar.
I did want to make a comic relief character aswell. I'd be a bishounen elf rogue type with rather gay tendencies, but I tought that'd keep me on the waiting list forever.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 08, 2009, 04:45:40 pm
I'm considering starting an All Flesh Must Be Eaten campaign. Reading through the rules it's simple like you wouldn't believe, and I mean, come on, zombies.
Post by: userpay on October 08, 2009, 05:50:48 pm
So we're going to meet every tuesday at 4 GMT-5?untill my weekend clears up.
I'm considering starting an All Flesh Must Be Eaten campaign. Reading through the rules it's simple like you wouldn't believe, and I mean, come on, zombies.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 08, 2009, 06:40:49 pm
Post by: userpay on October 08, 2009, 07:12:00 pm
If Tuesday's the 13th, that's not good for me. I have a doctor's appointment, and I have no idea how long it will take. I may be able to do it, but I won't know until closer to the actual day.Well surely you know what time it should start.
Post by: Enzo on October 08, 2009, 08:18:49 pm
Richard seems veeeeery squishy, ye should abstain from threatning people with badgers for now.We are all damn squishy, at least he can summon something that can briefly protect him. Actually if that fox that crited Gurk had hit Simo he would have died. At least that wouldn't have been as fast as getting killed by the bartender or something.
No, it would have put him to -1 HP, which is unconscious. Lefsor would have had plenty of time to heal him.
So uh...on the subject of scheduling, I got a new job. My first day was yesterday. My boss hasn't figured out what my schedule will be yet but I'm almost definitely working this tuesday. And it's 9:30-5:30, so on the days I work I won't be home until 3 AM in Roosters time zone. So scheduling this just got a lot more fucked up.
Post by: userpay on October 08, 2009, 10:02:15 pm
Well are your weekends free at least? And also, are we agreed that we need to take all chat (game related or not) to a program other than gametable so as to prevent lag?Richard seems veeeeery squishy, ye should abstain from threatning people with badgers for now.We are all damn squishy, at least he can summon something that can briefly protect him. Actually if that fox that crited Gurk had hit Simo he would have died. At least that wouldn't have been as fast as getting killed by the bartender or something.
No, it would have put him to -1 HP, which is unconscious. Lefsor would have had plenty of time to heal him.
So uh...on the subject of scheduling, I got a new job. My first day was yesterday. My boss hasn't figured out what my schedule will be yet but I'm almost definitely working this tuesday. And it's 9:30-5:30, so on the days I work I won't be home until 3 AM in Roosters time zone. So scheduling this just got a lot more fucked up.
Post by: Reasonableman on October 08, 2009, 10:46:16 pm
Post by: userpay on October 08, 2009, 11:12:04 pm
/clearlog every now and then solves the lag problem, so it shouldn't be a big deal.But then you lose it to begin with, using something like aim is a bit more effiecent because its streamlined for chatting. If we were to switch over to maptool (which does indead seem very nice) the DM will have to figure out how to get through his router otherwise we would have someone other than a player host and give the gm password to him while hosting it.
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on October 09, 2009, 01:39:28 am
Post by: Rooster on October 09, 2009, 08:35:17 am
Looks like I'm forced to I dunno. Change my availbility?
That's bad.
Just propose something doable (when I'm not in school which is from 7AM to 4PM my time)
I won't have ANY sleep just to be able to play.
Assuming we wan't me to have extreme lack of sleep then actually I'm availble anytime when I'm not in school.
But I'd rather not since I won't have time to study for my exams and other stuff I do on weekdays.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 09, 2009, 09:13:22 am
Post by: userpay on October 09, 2009, 09:36:50 am
If I have to hack around my router to use it, maptools is a no-go. Seriously, though, the /clearlog command works fine for decreasing lag, I'm starting to wonder if aim pays userpay to push their product or something.I'm not trying to push aim specifically, I'd be more than happy with msn. Its just my only experience is with aim. When we were using the gametable there was the little thing at the bottom telling us who was typing then noone actually said anything... and I even saw roosters name repeated twice somehow. I'm just trying to push for us to go for something with streamlined chat and that we don't have to deleat the logs in case we have to go back and check something.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 09, 2009, 10:57:46 am
Post by: Dakk on October 09, 2009, 11:02:08 am
PS: Pl0x don't let this die.
Post by: Reasonableman on October 09, 2009, 01:49:39 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 09, 2009, 03:46:57 pm
You know, hypothetically, if there were enough interest, and an extra DM, it might be easier, and more sensible, to divide into two groups, at different times, so we can accommodate more people, more often. I'd be willing to participate, probably, and I'm pretty much free constantly. Very flexible schedule.
This, if 1/2 sessions per week become impossible.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 09, 2009, 08:07:25 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 09, 2009, 08:18:43 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 09, 2009, 09:04:27 pm
PS: Pl0x don't let this die.
Doing my best here, I'd feel like a bit of a douchebag if this crapped out after one session.
You know, hypothetically, if there were enough interest, and an extra DM, it might be easier, and more sensible, to divide into two groups, at different times, so we can accommodate more people, more often. I'd be willing to participate, probably, and I'm pretty much free constantly. Very flexible schedule.
Participate as a DM? Because I'm sure no one on the waiting list would complain about someone starting another game up. And I certainly wouldn't mind. Especially if we could somehow coordinate the availabilities and split it up in a way that makes planning sessions easy. Because right now, it was hard to get a session planned when I was always free, and the way it is now it's pretty much impossible.
The last resort will be rearranging the group based specifically on availabilities, so we can be guaranteed a session a week, but I really don't want to start cutting people out based on that. I would feel less bad if aforementioned second group for different availabilities existed, and we could just shift them to that before we get too far into this game.
Post by: Reasonableman on October 09, 2009, 09:21:10 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 09, 2009, 10:37:56 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 09, 2009, 10:43:50 pm
So for those if you in the waiting list, noaw is a chance! Or something. I think i might be a little drunk at the moment.
Post by: userpay on October 09, 2009, 11:07:33 pm
So, I'm definitely working all weekend and probably through until tuesday. I'll have a normal weekly schedule, hopefully soon, probably once the boss hires another person. I would be happy to do a session on days I work, but as I said, after work just wouldn't work unless the europe people were planning on pulling an all-nighter. I'd be willing to wake up at like 6:00 AM and do one before work one day, if that works for everyone else and usepay doesn't mind playing at 6:00 AM too, but that seems pretty unlikely to pan out as well. I'll do my best to figure out my days off as far in advance as I can, but I don't want to antagonize the boss over something like this so soon. There are sort of a million other unemployed people right now he could hire.Which day would be a 6:00 am one? Its actually not to bad for me, if its a tuesday or thursday I could do it. To put my schedual back out therePS: Pl0x don't let this die.
Doing my best here, I'd feel like a bit of a douchebag if this crapped out after one session.You know, hypothetically, if there were enough interest, and an extra DM, it might be easier, and more sensible, to divide into two groups, at different times, so we can accommodate more people, more often. I'd be willing to participate, probably, and I'm pretty much free constantly. Very flexible schedule.
Participate as a DM? Because I'm sure no one on the waiting list would complain about someone starting another game up. And I certainly wouldn't mind. Especially if we could somehow coordinate the availabilities and split it up in a way that makes planning sessions easy. Because right now, it was hard to get a session planned when I was always free, and the way it is now it's pretty much impossible.
The last resort will be rearranging the group based specifically on availabilities, so we can be guaranteed a session a week, but I really don't want to start cutting people out based on that. I would feel less bad if aforementioned second group for different availabilities existed, and we could just shift them to that before we get too far into this game.
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Post by: Enzo on October 09, 2009, 11:41:55 pm
Everyone who is currently playing post your schedual again.
Or don't, they're all recorded in the second post of this topic. No way I could organize this if they weren't already in one place. Unless they've changed.
Cthulhu, is your Tuesday class 7-9:15 PM or AM? Because if the class is PM, and Leafsnail can make it (his schedule implies he can't, but it's pretty vague), we could still swing it this Tuesday.
I think the other options would be to do it on weekends and skip userpay for two weeks, at which point he'll be able to make weekends (sorry userpay, everyone else is good on weekends, it's the most obvious change to make this work), or just wait it out until I'm sure of my schedule and see if it sorts itself out.
Thoughts guys?
EDIT : OR if Leafsnail and Rooster are willing to play in the middle of the night.
Post by: userpay on October 09, 2009, 11:53:14 pm
Like I said everyone post their scheduals again just to be sure. If ye want and someones avalible feel free to bring someone on the waiting list forward and you can pretend he was there from the start and I'll comeback in when someone dies. By then my weekends should have cleared up.Everyone who is currently playing post your schedual again.
Or don't, they're all recorded in the second post of this topic. No way I could organize this if they weren't already in one place. Unless they've changed.
Cthulhu, is your Tuesday class 7-9:15 PM or AM? Because if the class is PM, and Leafsnail can make it (his schedule implies he can't, but it's pretty vague), we could still swing it this Tuesday.
I think the other options would be to do it on weekends and skip userpay for two weeks, at which point he'll be able to make weekends (sorry userpay, everyone else is good on weekends, it's the most obvious change to make this work), or just wait it out until I'm sure of my schedule and see if it sorts itself out.
Thoughts guys?
EDIT : OR if Leafsnail and Rooster are willing to play in the middle of the night.
Post by: Rooster on October 10, 2009, 05:07:27 am
But if I get caught it won't be good for me ;D
Yeah. Don't ask if I can make it. Ask if Leafsnail can make it.
Then I'm all good.
I assume it will be only for two weeks? then we play on weekends?
Post by: Leafsnail on October 10, 2009, 06:26:58 am
Post by: CJ1145 on October 10, 2009, 07:47:44 am
Time Zone: GMT -5
Spoiler: CJ1145's schedule (click to show/hide)
Post by: Reasonableman on October 10, 2009, 11:12:31 am
Post by: Cthulhu on October 10, 2009, 07:12:22 pm
Cthulhu, is your Tuesday class 7-9:15 PM or AM?
All of my classes are PM.
Post by: Enzo on October 10, 2009, 08:32:50 pm
userpay and I : 6:00 AM
CJ, josh, and cthulhu : 9:00 AM
Leafsnail : 2:00 PM
Rooster : 3:00 PM
Yea or Nay?
I'd also like to say I'm Sorry that this is fucking all this up so soon after we started, but I really need this job and I did mention that my schedule was in flux when I volunteered to DM. I'm not going to give up, worst case scenario is we have to shuffle the players until we get a group with schedules that align.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 10, 2009, 08:38:41 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 10, 2009, 08:40:38 pm
Userpay though, I don't know. I'm not sure if he's the type that can afford to get up at 6 in the morning and then blow off time playing DnD. He might have school or something.
Then again, I don't know him personally.
Post by: Enzo on October 10, 2009, 09:35:18 pm
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Which day would be a 6:00 am one? Its actually not to bad for me, if its a tuesday or thursday I could do it.
I wasn't really expecting him to say yes when I first brought it up, but he said he'd be able to do it.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 10, 2009, 10:02:47 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 11, 2009, 06:16:24 am
In fact it's just the time when I return from school so I'm incredibly happy with this time of day.
What GMT 0 time will it be?
Post by: Leafsnail on October 11, 2009, 08:15:35 am
Post by: CJ1145 on October 11, 2009, 09:31:02 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 11, 2009, 10:38:50 pm
I am still sorry about the delay, and my general indecisiveness. I've been to tired to look at this decisively and make any hard decisions about how to make it work. Still open to ideas. Making money has to take priority for me right now, because without money I will be homeless and I hear those guys have a tough time getting an internet connection. I will reiterate that hopefully this will all be sorted out promptly and we can get a regular schedule sorted out.
Post by: userpay on October 11, 2009, 10:52:14 pm
Bwahaha let me put thing into perspective, for one thing I have one class on tuesday from 11:00 am-11:50 am. On monay, wensday, friday I get up at 6:40 am. On tuesday, thursday its usually around 7ish am. On saturday/sunday morning (currently with ren fair) I get up at 6 am anyway. People I use to get up at 5:40 am for high school and I still didn't sleep on the damn bus. For crying out load by dad heads to work somewhere around 3 am-4am (I'm not really sure) but he jokes how he is on his second coffee break by the time most people get up for work.QuoteWhich day would be a 6:00 am one? Its actually not to bad for me, if its a tuesday or thursday I could do it.
I wasn't really expecting him to say yes when I first brought it up, but he said he'd be able to do it.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 12, 2009, 01:01:31 am
Post by: Enzo on October 12, 2009, 10:55:01 am
My understanding is before work or after work will only be viable on weekends (after userpays weekends clear up, but he's volunteered to miss a session), so there's always that. I'm thinking I'll have thursday off this week (how many days in a row could I possibly work my first week?) which is something we could work with but I'll do my best to get a concrete schedule tonight and figure something out.
Post by: Rashilul on October 12, 2009, 10:59:59 am
Spoiler: My real character (click to show/hide)
Post by: userpay on October 12, 2009, 11:38:22 am
All I can say is lol. As to a thursday meeting I can do that at whatever time, I don't have to be at this weeks robotics meeting so I'm free for the day if we decide to do one then.Spoiler: My real character (click to show/hide)
Post by: Rooster on October 12, 2009, 11:53:15 am
1PM GMT I think
after that I'm all cool and ready to go
Post by: RAM on October 12, 2009, 07:52:57 pm
I seem to recall some types of armour being somewhat expensive...Spoiler: My real character (click to show/hide)
Post by: Enzo on October 12, 2009, 08:21:36 pm
I'm kind of pissed that I didn't hear about this until today but apparently two of the other four employees are ill (swine flu FTW) so I guess I should be cutting my boss a bit of slack over this one.
Unless there are objections we can hit this shit up Wednesday:
12:30 PM for userpay and I
3:30 PM for Cthulhu, CJ, and josh
8:30 PM for Leafsnail
9:30 PM for Rooster
Izzat okay guize? By my reasoning we should be able to get three hours out of that if we want it, but bring it to my attention if I overlooked something (arranging all these schedules melts my brain). Apologies if you have to show up a bit late CJ, I realize it cuts it close for you but if last session is any indication it'll take us a while to get off the ground anyway.
After all my drama the actual delay was only one day. TAKE THAT REALITY. Sorry for the slightly short notice on this one. The sessions might be a bit touch-and-go until I'm settled in at my new job but I'll do my best for at least one session a week.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 12, 2009, 08:23:59 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 12, 2009, 08:25:40 pm
Post by: userpay on October 12, 2009, 09:14:40 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 12, 2009, 09:17:04 pm
Hey, are we moving to maptool, and am I going to have to host again? Just wondering.
Post by: userpay on October 12, 2009, 09:30:57 pm
This is agreeable to me.I'm guessing your hosting again since nothing about maptool was really discused, besides we would have the same issues with routers and stuff. Are we moving chat outside of gametable?
Hey, are we moving to maptool, and am I going to have to host again? Just wondering.
edit: bah I just relized I forgot dwarves count dwarven waraxes as martial weapons as opposed to exotic weapons. Ah well maybe one will pop up at some point.
Post by: Rooster on October 13, 2009, 05:39:40 am
And yeah looks like gametable again.
But what Forum or GMT time is it?
Just to be precise
Post by: userpay on October 13, 2009, 09:52:20 am
Nice.Dude he posted it in all our respective times
And yeah looks like gametable again.
But what Forum or GMT time is it?
Just to be precise
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Akigagak on October 13, 2009, 09:58:49 am
Spoiler: My Character Sheet link. (click to show/hide)
If we do the same time every time, I'll actually be able to play.
Post by: userpay on October 13, 2009, 10:23:09 am
Ye need to make it viewable by the public, click the eye next to the sheet on the sheet page.Spoiler: My Character Sheet link. (click to show/hide)
If we do the same time every time, I'll actually be able to play.
Post by: Akigagak on October 13, 2009, 10:30:32 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 13, 2009, 11:58:04 am
Post by: Enzo on October 13, 2009, 12:28:52 pm
Hey, are we moving to maptool, and am I going to have to host again? Just wondering.
Oh right, that! I'll look at maptool today but gametable should be fine for this session, since /clearlog fixes the one main complaint I had about it anyway. And yes, it would be great if you could host.
But what Forum or GMT time is it?
Just to be precise
Leafsnail is GMT +0. So 8:30 GMT. I try leave as little room for confusion as possible when posting times...
Spoiler: My Character Sheet link. (click to show/hide)
If we do the same time every time, I'll actually be able to play.
Sweet monkey jesus that guy is a tank. Also, you should have another feat (starter feat + human feat + fighter feat), you're missing languages and you have 10 buy-in gp remaining I think. I wouldn't worry about it too much yet, if the player level increases before someone dies you'll have to change it anyway...
Post by: Akigagak on October 13, 2009, 01:34:59 pm
Add Endurance as a feat.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 13, 2009, 02:03:11 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 13, 2009, 02:09:50 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 13, 2009, 02:11:32 pm
If CJ dies, can I take his place ;D
No, but you can take my place.
Post by: Enzo on October 13, 2009, 02:31:55 pm
I'll do my best to die next session, as (if you read the threads in GD) I'll be going to college soon, and my schedule might become too hectic to manage.
Yes, I was just posting there actually. I suspect you should have pretty easy access to computers though, as that's usually the case, and if I can manage other peoples school schedules, I can manage yours. So I will do my best if you do, but if you end up wanting/needing to drop out, no hard feelings.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 13, 2009, 03:48:09 pm
If CJ dies, can I take his place ;D
What makes you so sure I'll die first?
Post by: Rooster on October 13, 2009, 04:06:41 pm
If CJ dies, can I take his place ;D
What makes you so sure I'll die first?
It's a grammar misunderstanding. He ment ChaoticJosh
But yeah you're kinda squishy too
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 13, 2009, 04:15:57 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 13, 2009, 04:33:45 pm
Post by: userpay on October 13, 2009, 06:50:04 pm
Oh. I apologize for that. (Note: Can we keep his body? It could be useful for once I level up enough to raise dead.)If ye can drag it around without getting in the way, I fer one an't gonna be dragging the damn things around.
edit: I just had the image of a necromancy spell going off and a bunch of animal skeletons come out of the ground and swarming people.
Post by: RAM on October 13, 2009, 08:37:42 pm
I get 10 HP from fighter and 3 from con but the sheet says 15, what am I missing? I am getting kind of paranoid that I might have fogotten how to calculate HP or something...Spoiler: My Character Sheet link. (click to show/hide)
If we do the same time every time, I'll actually be able to play.
Sweet monkey jesus that guy is a tank.
Post by: userpay on October 13, 2009, 09:44:03 pm
Did ye get that from a character generator?I get 10 HP from fighter and 3 from con but the sheet says 15, what am I missing? I am getting kind of paranoid that I might have fogotten how to calculate HP or something...Spoiler: My Character Sheet link. (click to show/hide)
If we do the same time every time, I'll actually be able to play.
Sweet monkey jesus that guy is a tank.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 13, 2009, 10:33:33 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 13, 2009, 11:40:46 pm
If ye can drag it around without getting in the way, I fer one an't gonna be dragging the damn things around.
Why do you think he brought a mule, if not for hauling corpses? Dude planned ahead.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 13, 2009, 11:52:18 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2009, 12:26:13 am
Specifically, when it bites, if you fail a Fortitude Save of 10, it deals -1d6 Constitution. 0 Constitution will kill something.
Post by: Neruz on October 14, 2009, 12:38:43 am
So if you're level 3 and you suffer 4 points of Constitution Damage, you'll take 4 x 3 (12) HP damage, as well as the Con damage.
Con damage is nasty.
Oh, and of course if you suffer enough Con damage to drop your Con modifier, you lose 1 hit point per level entirely until you can return your Con to normal (So in the above example, if we assume you have 16 Con, suffer 4 Con damage, and are level 3. Your max HP is reduced by 2 x 3 (con drops from 16/+3 to 12/+1) so your max HP is reduced by 6 HP, and you then take 12 damage (4 x 3) on top of that, and to add insult to injury if your Con ever reaches 0 you immediately die (unless you're Undead.)
Con damage is really really nasty.
Post by: RAM on October 14, 2009, 01:16:48 am
This (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#abilityScoreLoss) seems to be the relevant section from the SRD and it doesn't seem to mention anything other than the change in con modifier and the resultant reduction in max and subsequently current HP and I don't remember such a rule from when I used to play.
It also raises the idea to me that con loss can't actually drop anyone below 1 HP per level, that would make my much more comfortable about barbarian rage which I always used to worry about for fear that I would die when it ended...
Post by: Neruz on October 14, 2009, 01:50:16 am
Post by: Akigagak on October 14, 2009, 09:13:39 am
Post by: Rooster on October 14, 2009, 09:52:50 am
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2009, 12:59:59 pm
Yesssssss. 25 exp.
See you guys in an hour and a half.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 14, 2009, 01:09:59 pm
BUT, the problem is my physical therapist is coming today, and he was originally going to be here now, but he got delayed. He will be here at 3:00. He's usually here for a good hour, so I'll be somewhat distracted during the first 30-40 minutes of the game. Thus, please do not be too surprised if I do not type anything for a few minutes, take a while to type my actions, or accidentally type "AAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHOHGODOHGODSWEETMONKEYJESUSMYLEG!!!"
Post by: Rashilul on October 14, 2009, 01:11:51 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 14, 2009, 01:40:37 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2009, 01:41:41 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 14, 2009, 01:42:56 pm
"Physical therapist"
While funny, I fail to see the meaning behind this
Post by: CJ1145 on October 14, 2009, 01:44:46 pm
1. Be destructive, yet deceptive as well.
2. Protect myself and Thunderhoof at all costs. All other party members are a secondary objective.
Post by: Rashilul on October 14, 2009, 01:53:36 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 14, 2009, 02:05:09 pm
Post by: userpay on October 14, 2009, 02:20:13 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2009, 02:25:03 pm
Post by: Reasonableman on October 14, 2009, 02:31:58 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 14, 2009, 02:33:51 pm
info:
IP: 97.84.162.161
Port: 6812
No password
Post by: Rooster on October 14, 2009, 03:26:51 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 14, 2009, 05:38:13 pm
It looks like things are getting serious, as things are getting darker, good thing I brought all the supplies that everyone needs. Like torches, and candles...
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 14, 2009, 05:39:34 pm
Post by: userpay on October 14, 2009, 06:00:04 pm
Also, I think that we should be effected by thirst and hunger. So as to give spells like "create water" or "create jelly" some purpose.Well mayhap we should wait till we get back to the town before we implement that.
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2009, 06:13:23 pm
So, Rooster was saying the games are going too slowly and I have to agree with him. Yes, tabletop games can be slow, they're slower online, and our party is primarily newbies. Slow is expected. But this is very slow. I'll give some thought towards speeding it up, and hopefully once everyone gets used to the flow of battle and such it'll move quicker, but off the top of my head;
If you have questions about anything, ask them here, before the session starts.
I will do my best to speed things up as a DM as much as I can. Preparing enemy pogs ahead of time (which I haven't been doing), getting the most relevant DM information printed out and right in front of me so I'm not scanning pages and clicking tabs while you're all piling things in the chat window, and anything else I can think of. Maptool also strikes me as more efficient, hopefully I'll be able to spend enough time with that in the coming week that we can adopt it.
Have your own character sheet open, and (if you are a newbie) learn where all the relevant information is. It is tedious to load up peoples character sheets whenever they want to know what this or that roll is, having them all open at once slows down my computer, and I already have a load of tabs open in the first place. (Actually, I suppose I should just print out everyones sheets too)
To that effect, make dice macro's for all your attacks, saves, and initiative, at least.
In many encounters it should be pretty easy to decide what you're going to do while waiting for your turn. This helps.
When we're doing doing initiative specifically, and anything else that requires a multitude of rolls like that, please don't fill the chat up with side discussions, so I don't have to scroll through a mess of text or arrange a battle order.
In fact, I might just adopt an entirely separate OOC chat, since it's confusing as hell when two characters are discussing one thing, two another, and someone else is trying to perform an action.
I'm not trying to be critical here, just trying my best to speed things up. The way things are now I'm considering letting the party size drop (through natural causes, of course), because it's harder to handle 6 people smoothly than I thought. This is a less than ideal scenario. I'd rather just make things efficient enough that a 6-person party can get things done at a decent speed. I'll take a hard look at the availabilities and figure out when our next couple sessions could work, possibly skipping people for one session. More sessions = more progress, and it's very hard to get even 1 session a week with peoples availabilities as they are.
Post by: Rashilul on October 14, 2009, 06:41:54 pm
So, Rooster was saying the games are going too slowly and I have to agree with him. Yes, tabletop games can be slow, they're slower online, and our party is primarily newbies. Slow is expected. But this is very slow. I'll give some thought towards speeding it up, and hopefully once everyone gets used to the flow of battle and such it'll move quicker, but off the top of my head;You talked about whether the pack animal was a mule or a donkey, and whether or not they were the same, for ten minutes or something.
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2009, 07:00:07 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 14, 2009, 07:10:12 pm
But Rash and you all are right, we spent over half the session debating things that seemed logical then, but in hindsight are REALLY stupid. However, I for one think that's what is fun about this game. Not just the game itself (although that's major) but the hijinks that the players partake in, and the futile efforts of the DM to stop them.
I first got into D&D after reading DM of the Rings, and to be honest that's the kind of game I enjoy playing: One where stupidity and hilarious moments are not necessarily to the DM's liking or to the plot's development, but are still enjoyable by all. One where session long debates about whether anchovies are good, whether the wizard or the warrior should get the sword, or whether or not we should assassinate the king, despite him standing well within earshot are not only seen, but are commonplace. To me, this IS D&D. This is FUN.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 14, 2009, 07:21:25 pm
You should say "thank you" by the way, for using my candle for your spell. I want to be paid back you know.
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2009, 07:24:14 pm
Actually, instead of a badger, we had you summon a medium monstrous centipede instead. I don't know why.
You should say "thank you" by the way, for using my candle for your spell. I want to be paid back you know.
The candle doesn't actually get used up, he just needs to be holding it. He could just give you back your candle later.
Post by: userpay on October 14, 2009, 07:31:15 pm
Not that I don't think hijinks are fun. I was laughing when you were all trying simultaneously to break a set of steel bars, Enson swinging at them with both weapons, Gurk using his bare hands and Richard intermittently casting frost bolt and hitting them with your wooden staff. The problem is not the existence of hijinks. The problem is that at this rate, you'll be a half dozen sessions in and still be level 1 in the first dungeon.Ya for some reason all of us forgot simo was a rogue (since his controler lost connection and I was controlling him) so that took awhile. We summoned a centiped because otherwise it would have been a celestial badger which doesn't fit as well with richard.Actually, instead of a badger, we had you summon a medium monstrous centipede instead. I don't know why.
You should say "thank you" by the way, for using my candle for your spell. I want to be paid back you know.
The candle doesn't actually get used up, he just needs to be holding it. He could just give you back your candle later.
Post by: RAM on October 14, 2009, 08:05:43 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 14, 2009, 08:25:18 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 14, 2009, 09:16:11 pm
Post by: Reasonableman on October 14, 2009, 09:17:28 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 14, 2009, 09:29:15 pm
He's an evil wizard. The celestial gods aren't going to give him one of their badgers.
He could get a Fiendish Badger.
Post by: Rashilul on October 14, 2009, 09:36:19 pm
A wolverine?He's an evil wizard. The celestial gods aren't going to give him one of their badgers.He could get a Fiendish Badger.
Post by: Neruz on October 14, 2009, 09:38:20 pm
No, a Badger with the Fiendish template. It's the demonic equivalent of the Celestial template.A wolverine?He's an evil wizard. The celestial gods aren't going to give him one of their badgers.He could get a Fiendish Badger.
Post by: Rashilul on October 14, 2009, 09:45:03 pm
I've seen one of those once. Nasty.No, a Badger with the Fiendish template. It's the demonic equivalent of the Celestial template.A wolverine?He's an evil wizard. The celestial gods aren't going to give him one of their badgers.He could get a Fiendish Badger.
Post by: Neruz on October 14, 2009, 09:56:32 pm
Not really. In theory the Fiendish\Celestial templates are supposedly worth +2 ECL. In practice they're really not. You get the mostly useless Smite Good ability and if you're high level you get some handy DR and Magic Resistance, but most higher level creatures already have DR and MR, and the other bonuses Fiendish gets are pretty damn common too.I've seen one of those once. Nasty.No, a Badger with the Fiendish template. It's the demonic equivalent of the Celestial template.A wolverine?He's an evil wizard. The celestial gods aren't going to give him one of their badgers.He could get a Fiendish Badger.
Post by: Rashilul on October 14, 2009, 10:12:35 pm
Actually, it just bit a few people and ran away.Not really. In theory the Fiendish\Celestial templates are supposedly worth +2 ECL. In practice they're really not. You get the mostly useless Smite Good ability and if you're high level you get some handy DR and Magic Resistance, but most higher level creatures already have DR and MR, and the other bonuses Fiendish gets are pretty damn common too.I've seen one of those once. Nasty.No, a Badger with the Fiendish template. It's the demonic equivalent of the Celestial template.A wolverine?He's an evil wizard. The celestial gods aren't going to give him one of their badgers.He could get a Fiendish Badger.
Post by: userpay on October 14, 2009, 11:34:52 pm
Post by: RAM on October 14, 2009, 11:41:54 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2009, 11:58:11 pm
Well I think the reason we didn't do a fiendish one was because we didn't have a template for it or something. At any rate the centipede killed one of the rats, I'm curious to see if the summoning will last long enough till the next fight.
For some reason, summon monster restricts you to fiendish or celestial for any given kind of creature. Even though the templates grant the same level of bonuses, making it completely arbitrary. So yeah, from now on I guess I'll waive that rule.
Also, summon monster spells last 1 round/level, so no. It won't last until the next fight.
Has anyone considered using VOIP? Xfire works fairly well for that sort of thing. It's a small download, largely non-obtrusive, and relatively simple to set up. I could even host the server for that, too, if I'm around. If that doesn't work for everyone, there's Ventrilo, but I know much less about that.
I lack a mic, and I believe other players do as well.
Post by: userpay on October 15, 2009, 12:36:12 am
I have a mic its just my damn computer doesn't seem compatable with the 3.5mm jack ones (no idea why, it has the jack so I can only assume that the jack wasn't connected or shorted to the rest of the hardware).Well I think the reason we didn't do a fiendish one was because we didn't have a template for it or something. At any rate the centipede killed one of the rats, I'm curious to see if the summoning will last long enough till the next fight.
For some reason, summon monster restricts you to fiendish or celestial for any given kind of creature. Even though the templates grant the same level of bonuses, making it completely arbitrary. So yeah, from now on I guess I'll waive that rule.
Also, summon monster spells last 1 round/level, so no. It won't last until the next fight.Has anyone considered using VOIP? Xfire works fairly well for that sort of thing. It's a small download, largely non-obtrusive, and relatively simple to set up. I could even host the server for that, too, if I'm around. If that doesn't work for everyone, there's Ventrilo, but I know much less about that.
I lack a mic, and I believe other players do as well.
Post by: Rooster on October 15, 2009, 03:47:45 am
So far the suggestions for improvement by Kinseti are reasonable to say the least and will speed things up.
We should see if we can get one on weekend or something
EDIT: Just found out that I'm stupid. My damage should be 1d12 +4 (str) + 2(1/2 Str) = 1d12 +6 because I go with a two-handed weapon.
Stupid aren't I?
Rules reference:
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Attack_Damage (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Attack_Damage)
Post by: userpay on October 15, 2009, 12:22:11 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Leafsnail on October 15, 2009, 02:01:21 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 15, 2009, 02:05:29 pm
Sorry for having to leave again, everyone, but it looks like you took out them raccoon/ squirrel things anyway. Well done. Also, I think I might have been deliberately taunting the gods in the fight with the goblins, having dodged 3 separate shots and then rolling my maximum damage to one-hit a goblin. Proof that luck is all you need! Just like [animu reference removed to avoid modkill penatly].
Post by: userpay on October 15, 2009, 02:41:29 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 15, 2009, 03:11:58 pm
For some reason, summon monster restricts you to fiendish or celestial for any given kind of creature. Even though the templates grant the same level of bonuses, making it completely arbitrary. So yeah, from now on I guess I'll waive that rule.
Also, summon monster spells last 1 round/level, so no. It won't last until the next fight.
The monsters have a fiendish/celestial template because you're summoning them from one of the inner/outer planes. You're communicating with the powers that be there and calling an animal from their dimension into ours. Since there aren't very many demons/celestials at the low levels, they applied fiendish/celestial templates to material plane creatures to fill out the lists.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 15, 2009, 03:45:26 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 15, 2009, 03:49:34 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 15, 2009, 03:51:24 pm
Maybe it's just easier to teleport something from the inner planes than from material plane.
Teleport is like 3rd lv spell?
Post by: Enzo on October 15, 2009, 08:09:49 pm
For some reason, summon monster restricts you to fiendish or celestial for any given kind of creature. Even though the templates grant the same level of bonuses, making it completely arbitrary. So yeah, from now on I guess I'll waive that rule.
Also, summon monster spells last 1 round/level, so no. It won't last until the next fight.
The monsters have a fiendish/celestial template because you're summoning them from one of the inner/outer planes. You're communicating with the powers that be there and calling an animal from their dimension into ours. Since there aren't very many demons/celestials at the low levels, they applied fiendish/celestial templates to material plane creatures to fill out the lists.
I know why they have a fiendish or celestial template, what I don't understand is why celestial badgers are on the summon list, but fiendish badgers aren't. The same for any animal, it's one or the other but not both. That's what I find strange.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 15, 2009, 08:40:29 pm
When I'm DMing I don't even bother with the templates. The low level summons basically amount to speedbumps so there's no real need to modify all the monsters in the summons. I just go with "Counts as" for template summons.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 15, 2009, 09:30:40 pm
Post by: RAM on October 15, 2009, 09:54:37 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 15, 2009, 09:56:35 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 16, 2009, 09:04:54 pm
Spoiler: Saturday (click to show/hide)
*how bad is your connection cthulhu? Is being gone for an hour going to be normal if we try week-day sessions? Because right now it's the only thing keeping us from playing twice a week.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 16, 2009, 09:08:56 pm
Post by: userpay on October 16, 2009, 10:14:39 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 17, 2009, 07:26:37 pm
And no, that thing last time was the worst it's ever been. I'm normally never off for more than a minute.
Post by: Reasonableman on October 17, 2009, 07:46:13 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 17, 2009, 08:05:13 pm
My boss is bad at planning things. Tuesday/Wednesday this week are cheques-from-the-government days (some indian thing and welfare) and therefore the busiest days of the month for a pawn shop and he was unable to tell me today if I'd have them off this week. He said he could figure it out by tomorrow morning though. So there may or may not be a change to the schedule I just set. I can't apologize about this enough guys, just bear with me here. Weekend sessions will be non-job-dependent and therefore regular starting next weekend, I'll do my best to figure out weekly sessions as soon as possible and get the bastard to commit to a schedule. There will still be a session this week, I just can't tell you when until tomorrow. Fuck. raeg.
I played D&D today! I did neato things. It's sorta renewed my interest in DMing, specially the bit where I cast obscuring mist, our cleric blessed the water vapor, and it smited (smote?) some baddies with holy mist. I gotta get me a campaign and DM's handbook and stuff.
That's pretty awesome though.
Post by: userpay on October 17, 2009, 11:47:36 pm
I played D&D today! I did neato things. It's sorta renewed my interest in DMing, specially the bit where I cast obscuring mist, our cleric blessed the water vapor, and it smited (smote?) some baddies with holy mist. I gotta get me a campaign and DM's handbook and stuff.I just might have to steal that.
Post by: Rooster on October 18, 2009, 04:37:12 am
Reasonableman: I don't know what Kinseti thinks about this, but if you would help us as a DM assistant that would speed things up.
Post by: Enzo on October 18, 2009, 08:04:52 pm
Spoiler: Wednesday (click to show/hide)
While I don't have a specific objection to that idea Rooster, I've also never done the co-DM thing and I don't really know how it would help with an online game. As I understand it the DM handles locations and NPCs while the assistant manages encounters or something? If RM wants to we can give it a shot, but hopefully we can get things going a bit faster this session regardless.
Post by: Reasonableman on October 19, 2009, 12:07:18 am
Post by: userpay on October 19, 2009, 01:05:28 am
Aren't you a warrior?
Reasonableman: I don't know what Kinseti thinks about this, but if you would help us as a DM assistant that would speed things up.
edit: err I meant I can't do it for this game at least.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 19, 2009, 05:13:40 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 20, 2009, 11:01:14 am
Post by: Reasonableman on October 20, 2009, 12:28:12 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 20, 2009, 06:59:41 pm
I'm not sure if my character should just spontaneously disappear and be replaced with someone new or if I should just distribute my experience to everyone or if someone should just take over my character.
Once again, very sorry. I had fun while it lasted.
Post by: Reasonableman on October 20, 2009, 08:48:06 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 20, 2009, 08:50:34 pm
Post by: Reasonableman on October 20, 2009, 09:06:36 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 20, 2009, 09:22:09 pm
Once again, very sorry.
Hey josh don't sweat it, dropouts come with the territory of forum games and you have a pretty good excuse.
I will alert Dakk.
Either way, I'm still up for hosting the game, since my ports seem to be properly forwarded; just say the word.
That would be greatly appreciated, if you plan to be around. If any players are hanging around before the game starts we should try to spend that time finding someone else who can host, for the future.
Post by: Rooster on October 21, 2009, 09:13:15 am
just saying.
So what hour are we starting? And what server?
Post by: Reasonableman on October 21, 2009, 10:16:08 am
IP: 64.234.4.72
Port: 6812
No password, and since I was spectating last time, I still have all the pogs and the dungeon set up.
Post by: Dakk on October 21, 2009, 10:47:13 am
Post by: Reasonableman on October 21, 2009, 10:59:19 am
Post by: Dakk on October 21, 2009, 11:00:57 am
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 12:23:17 pm
I started one for now at:
IP: 96.54.19.144
Port : 6812
no password
But it's never worked for me before so I doubt it will now.
Dakk, I guess we'll add you next session then. Probably better than you only being able to play for a fraction of the time. I think you posted a schedule a while back, could you post it again for planning the next session?
Post by: CJ1145 on October 21, 2009, 12:29:37 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 12:33:10 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 21, 2009, 12:35:40 pm
And yea, unable to connect to either servers.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 21, 2009, 12:36:56 pm
EDIT: Nvm, here's the info.
IP:24.209.97.235
Port: 6812
No Password
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 12:44:24 pm
This is going to suck if we can't find a host.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2009, 12:44:50 pm
Info:
IP: 74.215.124.24
Pass: bay12
Port: 6812
Post by: CJ1145 on October 21, 2009, 12:46:38 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 21, 2009, 12:53:56 pm
Me schedule is: I'm free from 12 am to 4 pm, forum time, weekdays. SOMETIMES also free on 9 pm and some hours after. My schedule tends to fluctuate a bit.
Can't really be sure on weekends :S, sometimes all day, sometimes 1 or 2 hours.
Post by: Rashilul on October 21, 2009, 01:13:13 pm
IP:98.125.84.7
Port:6812
Post by: Rooster on October 21, 2009, 01:19:08 pm
Were you hosting just now?
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 01:22:40 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 21, 2009, 01:45:10 pm
IP 193.59.16.153
Port: 6812
No password
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 01:48:51 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 21, 2009, 01:59:22 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2009, 02:26:08 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 21, 2009, 02:30:21 pm
If yes then, we have a problem :/
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 02:31:32 pm
I don't know, everyone else (minus leafsnail) is on fine. Restart gametable/computer? Maybe have rooster reboot the server if that doesn't work?
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2009, 02:34:53 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 02:38:52 pm
Post by: userpay on October 21, 2009, 02:39:36 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2009, 02:49:35 pm
EDIT: Well, I can't seem to connect. This is going to make two games I've missed a large part of. I don't want to end up being That Guy, so unless I figure out what's wrong I think I'm going to drop out. Kill Simo, have a waitlister take him over, whatever's appropriate.
Post by: userpay on October 21, 2009, 03:16:49 pm
Ports only matter if you're hosting, and I'm connecting directly to my modem, so it's irrelevant.but but.. we need a rogue.
EDIT: Well, I can't seem to connect. This is going to make two games I've missed a large part of. I don't want to end up being That Guy, so unless I figure out what's wrong I think I'm going to drop out. Kill Simo, have a waitlister take him over, whatever's appropriate.
edit: well simos currently passed out from getting bitten by spiders
edit2: simo was lit on fire and is likely dead now, update later.
edit3: so ya we were attacked by a swarm of fine sized spiders, simo got bitten to unconscience, then we poured oil on him and the spiders that were on him and lit it up. Simos dead but at least the spiders are to. me and rich got extra xp for it
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2009, 04:30:38 pm
Also, check this (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/10/d-and-d-microsoft-surface/) out.
You want it? Don't lie, we all know you do. Well you can't have it, because the computer you play it on is 10,000 dollars.
Post by: userpay on October 21, 2009, 04:55:44 pm
You guys work fast.well that certainly looks interesting. If they do come out with that game im sure they will have a version for those that have a regular computer but get a touch screen and even for those that have regular screen they can probably have it mouse useable. So we had two people die, gained some stuff from a few rooms and a bashed open chest.
Also, check this (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/10/d-and-d-microsoft-surface/) out.
You want it? Don't lie, we all know you do. Well you can't have it, because the computer you play it on is 10,000 dollars.
edit: whats irritating is jod died from heart attack, i wanted to hit him with my axe for hitting me with a sling stone.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 21, 2009, 04:57:12 pm
EDIT: Oh, and now we're fighting an Earth Golem because Gurk tried to loot a wand before reading the warning that was written in Common.
Post by: Rooster on October 21, 2009, 05:00:31 pm
Of course I just killed our whole team ;D
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2009, 05:05:22 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 21, 2009, 05:08:05 pm
Post by: userpay on October 21, 2009, 06:11:31 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 07:07:55 pm
I feel bad about you not being able to connect Cthulhu (and, subsequently, what happened to your character), but I have no idea what the problem was there. And where was you Leafsnail?
OOC chat is definitely moved to AIM for next time, only actions and actual IC-speak will be in the gametable window. It just gets confusing sometimes. Especially when certain people have actions are in parentheses. (open the door) looks like you're telling someone else to do it, less decisive than "I open the door." or "/emote opens the door", and since there's a lot of discussion it's hard to sort out the actual actions, especially when people are doing multiple things. Hence OOC chat.
Maybe it was kind of a dick move throwing a swarm at a newbie party. I figured someone would figure out the immunity thing, and when I planned it I also wasn't expecting you to go in there without useful spells...still, at least you figured out a decent plan to kill them. Fight smarter not harder and all that.
Session was still slow-moving, but it had it's moments. Like attempting first aid on an oil-covered, lit, -9 HP body.
but but.. we need a rogue.I have a feeling Gurk is just going to smash every lock and trigger every trap until it kills him or another rogue turns up. That seems to be the trend.
whats irritating is jod died from heart attack, i wanted to hit him with my axe for hitting me with a sling stone.You still could have. Ain't no rule against hitting a dead guy with an axe. Although it's sort of in poor taste.
There was a scrollcase by the chest we looted at the bottom of the dungeon. I found it, read the scroll with a really high roll, and got the spell Hideous Laughter.To clarify CJ, you deciphered the scroll with the spellcraft check to learn what was on it. When you read the scroll it will activate, cast the spell, and disappear. Or you can spend a full day, make a spellcraft DC 17 check to copy the spell to your spellbook, and lose the scroll.
Post by: Dakk on October 21, 2009, 08:20:41 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 21, 2009, 09:55:11 pm
Maybe it was kind of a dick move throwing a swarm at a newbie party. I figured someone would figure out the immunity thing, and when I planned it I also wasn't expecting you to go in there without useful spells...still, at least you figured out a decent plan to kill them. Fight smarter not harder and all that.
At low levels swarms in general are dick moves :P
But hey, if they enjoyed it, that's fine. Sometimes a good dick move livens things up a bit.
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 10:09:51 pm
At low levels swarms in general are dick moves :P
In my defense, the team was supposed to have 2 arcane casters with offensive spells. Could've made short work of them in 2 magic missiles.
Post by: Neruz on October 21, 2009, 10:15:40 pm
--EDIT--
Actually, hang on, that's not right. Swarms are immune to specific target spells like Magic Missile. You have to hit them with area effects or, in the case of Spiders that are Tiny, weapon attacks (although they're only half as effective.)
Post by: Enzo on October 21, 2009, 10:29:34 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 21, 2009, 10:30:45 pm
Post by: userpay on October 21, 2009, 11:08:48 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on October 22, 2009, 09:26:50 am
I feel bad about you not being able to connect Cthulhu (and, subsequently, what happened to your character), but I have no idea what the problem was there.
It's cool, this frees up time for the Traveller campaign I'm planning on starting since the All Flesh Must Be Eaten campaign has become unresponsive (Where are you guys?).
Post by: Dakk on October 22, 2009, 10:59:29 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
He IS rather squishy though.
Post by: userpay on October 22, 2009, 01:41:35 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 22, 2009, 02:30:52 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 23, 2009, 07:22:12 am
Post by: Enzo on October 23, 2009, 10:56:11 am
6:00 AM for me and Userpay
9:00 AM for CJ and Dakk (i think)
2:00 PM for Leafsnail and Akigagak (i think)
3:00 PM for Rooster
Post by: CJ1145 on October 23, 2009, 11:41:31 am
Post by: Akigagak on October 23, 2009, 12:22:53 pm
Post by: userpay on October 23, 2009, 08:28:20 pm
edit: how are we gonna integrate the new guys anyway? Since we're about to get smacked down by the golem will they arrive from the rear and save everyone? Or will we somehow manage to triumph against the golem and find the two locked up in the dungeon somewhere? Hmm looks like we are going to have 3 melee bases, 1 magic, 1 divine, and 1 rogue, interesting.
Post by: Dakk on October 23, 2009, 08:57:11 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 23, 2009, 08:57:56 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 23, 2009, 09:17:37 pm
But damn, is it just me or parents get mroe irrational as they age.
Post by: Neruz on October 23, 2009, 09:18:37 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 23, 2009, 09:20:39 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 23, 2009, 09:32:56 pm
edit: how are we gonna integrate the new guys anyway? Since we're about to get smacked down by the golem will they arrive from the rear and save everyone?
Yeah, that was the general idea. Making you guys fight this encounter two short would be mean.
If my time is noted as forum time, then Its okay with me, I'll just have to get up a little earlier.
I've recently learned forum time can be set (somehow), so basing things on forum time can be dangerous. I think the default forum time is -5 GMT, since that's what mine is and I've never changed it. What time zone are you in?
I'm contemplating whether to do to the work and then smack her upside the face with it...
DO THIS ONE.
So...I'm going to think on whether we should skip this session or do it without you. Since it involves me waking up early I'm leaning towards the former, but I'm also trying my damnedest to arrange 2 sessions a week from this point on. Input from other players on these judgments is always nice. I'm also considering, as an option, to reduce the party size by 1 (through natural causes, the next time someone dies/drops out), since it's hard to get 7 people together at the same time.
My days off this week are Thu/Fri (ARG QUIT CHANGING THEM BOSSMAN), in case anyone is wondering, so a session should take place Thursday regardless of this weekend.
ALSO WHERE THE HELL IS LEAFSNAIL? I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN POSTING IN OTHER TOPICS DOOD.
Post by: Dakk on October 23, 2009, 09:34:29 pm
Post by: userpay on October 23, 2009, 10:23:45 pm
http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/violence_and_videogames
I used this link for a bit of my research. Get that work done, ye might have to spend all day doing it but then its done and no worries anymore.
Post by: RAM on October 23, 2009, 11:32:07 pm
Post by: userpay on October 24, 2009, 01:10:01 am
Wow, at this rate I might actually see the end of the waiting list. I will seriously consider making a character soon.Ye might as well, I don't see many on the waiting list posting here so ye might even get a bump up if needed. Just make sure to be flexible with what char you make just in case, frankly I don't want the group to get to heavy in one area.
Post by: RAM on October 24, 2009, 01:58:27 am
How are you going for casters and clerics?
Post by: Rooster on October 24, 2009, 05:51:49 am
That's cause this games is going slow Neruz'es game goes WAY faster
Also something I have to know ( if you would be so kind)
How tough is the elemental, or what size?
because if he's small I have a turn or two before I die to smack him.
Post by: Enzo on October 24, 2009, 10:56:21 am
Also, everyone figure out your AIM today so I can make a OOC group chat. I'm lookoutforninjasAThotmailDOTcom.
And yeah, the elemental is small. I still suggest tactical retreat, since fighting him in that corridor could be deadly.
Post by: Akigagak on October 24, 2009, 11:18:10 am
Some research proves me wrong.
Post by: Rooster on October 24, 2009, 12:01:59 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 24, 2009, 12:05:10 pm
Plus it works on macs and linux, IRC.
Post by: userpay on October 24, 2009, 12:19:02 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 24, 2009, 12:29:46 pm
Post by: userpay on October 24, 2009, 12:33:21 pm
I don't really want to have to leave, but I have relatives staying, and will almost certainly not be able to make tomorrow's session. I'd like to continue playing in this group, but I'm not really old enough to have any real degree of freedom or predictability over my free time, so I'd understand if you want to kick me out.Okay so do you have any idea if you'll be availible for the session after this one(most likely wensday or thursday)? I wouldn't mind playing your char for you for one more game if needed, though ye should have gotten on and told us sooner.
edit: also when installing aim (if ye don't use the launch from webpage thing they've got) do custom install. I did full install forgetting that they like to change your homepage to aol and add a little bar to your browser. Their easy to get rid at any rate.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 24, 2009, 01:54:11 pm
Well, good news: After last night, when I can only assume Jesus Christ came down from heaven to speak to my mothers about the wonders that technology can bring into my life, and the fact that I've spent every waking minute today doing this stupid Science Project, my mother has reconsidered her previous deal, which was so ludicrous even Dark Helmet wouldn't try it. Instead, she has removed the necessity of doing the Spanish project, and only asks that I work on History for an hour tonight, and several tomorrow, and I can play D&D. However, I should mention now that I won't be available for the first 14 hours of the day. What time was the session planned?
Oh, and Leafsnail, for the sake of my sanity find a better avatar. That girl looks like a cross between my best friend and the bitch next door, to the point that I want to hug her as tight as I can and then chop her head of in a bloody rage.
Post by: Angellus on October 24, 2009, 02:13:22 pm
I really liked his snail on a leaf avatar.Well, good news: After last night, when I can only assume Jesus Christ came down from heaven to speak to my mothers about the wonders that technology can bring into my life, and the fact that I've spent every waking minute today doing this stupid Science Project, my mother has reconsidered her previous deal, which was so ludicrous even Dark Helmet wouldn't try it. Instead, she has removed the necessity of doing the Spanish project, and only asks that I work on History for an hour tonight, and several tomorrow, and I can play D&D. However, I should mention now that I won't be available for the first 14 hours of the day. What time was the session planned?
Oh, and Leafsnail, for the sake of my sanity find a better avatar. That girl looks like a cross between my best friend and the bitch next door, to the point that I want to hug her as tight as I can and then chop her head of in a bloody rage.
Post by: Dakk on October 24, 2009, 07:00:31 pm
Also, I'm afraid I have very little chance of being on at 9 am tomorrow :S. Don't let this diiiiieeee.
Post by: userpay on October 24, 2009, 07:54:06 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 24, 2009, 08:14:07 pm
Okay we need to figure out if we are going to play tommarrow or not tonight, I'm willing to get up early if we're playing but I'm gonna be pissed if I get up to find its cancled.
CJ, Dakk, and Leafsnail can't make it, so I guess not. Thursday it is then, hopefully a nice long session will be possible since the two-a-week thing isn't panning out.
I don't really want to have to leave, but I have relatives staying, and will almost certainly not be able to make tomorrow's session. I'd like to continue playing in this group, but I'm not really old enough to have any real degree of freedom or predictability over my free time, so I'd understand if you want to kick me out.
Well, as long as we can get 1/week I don't really want to kick someone out. Would the thursday (usual time, probably) session work for you? And do you think you'll be able to do weekends later on?
Also, I'm afraid I have very little chance of being on at 9 am tomorrow :S. Don't let this diiiiieeee.
Doin' mah besssst. When I volunteered I was unemployed and almost immediately after I started working full-time (overtime actually) with an unpredictable schedule so I kind of shit the bed on that one. I'll probably drop the size to 5 players once a spot frees up to see if that helps organizing.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 24, 2009, 08:19:36 pm
Okay we need to figure out if we are going to play tommarrow or not tonight, I'm willing to get up early if we're playing but I'm gonna be pissed if I get up to find its cancled.
CJ, Dakk, and Leafsnail can't make it, so I guess not. Thursday it is then, hopefully a nice long session will be possible since the two-a-week thing isn't panning out.
I CAN MAKE IT.
Post by: Neruz on October 24, 2009, 09:19:12 pm
Post by: RAM on October 24, 2009, 10:17:27 pm
Are there any deities that offer both the magic and travel domains?
Post by: userpay on October 24, 2009, 11:03:00 pm
edit: well looks like no game on sunday so I'll not be getting up early. Lets take this time to make sure everyones scheduals are in and get the new peoples char sheets done up. Anyway night.
Post by: RAM on October 25, 2009, 12:38:25 am
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=162459 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=162459)
Post by: userpay on October 25, 2009, 04:24:18 pm
I have a draft character up for what it is worth...Ye don't have it viewable publicly, click the eye at the screen where you choose the sheet so that its not grayed out. At any rate what time on thursday?
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=162459 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=162459)
Post by: Rooster on October 26, 2009, 07:15:02 am
Post by: userpay on October 26, 2009, 09:26:21 am
Post by: Enzo on October 26, 2009, 10:47:21 am
Post by: Dakk on October 26, 2009, 11:07:21 am
Post by: RAM on October 26, 2009, 02:33:07 pm
Post by: Bogre on October 26, 2009, 03:42:36 pm
Post by: CJ1145 on October 26, 2009, 04:39:51 pm
Post by: userpay on October 26, 2009, 06:21:27 pm
Oh, yeah, gah, your schedule says you're only free from 12:30-2:00 thursdays, and that would fall into the deadzone when Dakks not available. Is there any wiggle-room on these schedules guys?dude thats the other way around, im not free from 12:30-2 on thursdays. Then again what I'm doing at that timeslot isn't that important anyway.
Post by: Enzo on October 26, 2009, 10:59:10 pm
Stupid real life, always causing problems...
Post by: userpay on October 27, 2009, 12:49:31 am
ah just relized that we should probably make sure aim is working properly. I'll log on now, mines userpay1.
Post by: Rooster on October 28, 2009, 08:57:57 am
*BUMP* or we'll never have a session today
Post by: userpay on October 28, 2009, 09:18:02 am
edit: note I've got a dentist apointment at 2 pm so I'll be avalible untill around 1:40 pm.
Post by: Enzo on October 28, 2009, 11:57:59 am
note I've got a dentist apointment at 2 pm so I'll be avalible untill around 1:40 pm.
So...that means 10:00 PM GMT wouldn't work for you. I think 8:00 PM GMT is all we've got, any earlier and CJ can't make it.
Post by: Rooster on October 28, 2009, 01:53:51 pm
Server's up
IP 193.59.16.153
No pass
Port: 6812
Post by: userpay on October 28, 2009, 02:35:46 pm
Damn you for not letting me know sooner. Good that I check here oftenBwahaha ya wrong day dude. And kin what time is that my time?
Server's up
IP 193.59.16.153
No pass
Port: 6812
Post by: Rooster on October 28, 2009, 02:45:18 pm
Post by: userpay on October 28, 2009, 02:46:53 pm
hmm a hilarious misunderstanding.Eh no worries, ye can entertain yourself with AT1:BT while ye wait though. Check the mechwarrior thread in other games.
Post by: Enzo on October 28, 2009, 06:22:19 pm
And kin what time is that my time?
Noon.
Post by: userpay on October 28, 2009, 06:38:17 pm
so 12 to 1:30 then?And kin what time is that my time?
Noon.
Post by: Enzo on October 28, 2009, 10:30:18 pm
Post by: userpay on October 28, 2009, 11:33:58 pm
Yeah, that looks like all we got this week.Damn my dentist. On another note I probably won't be avalible on Saturday. Going to my brothers for a party and football game however I myself am not going to the game, I'll probably be staying at his place playing on his 360 or computer. I'll see what time the game is and maybe we can try to set up a game then, I'm not sure if gametable will work on his comp but I can damn well try.
Post by: userpay on October 29, 2009, 10:13:16 am
Post by: Rooster on October 29, 2009, 11:37:05 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dakk on October 29, 2009, 11:41:46 am
Post by: Enzo on October 29, 2009, 11:43:21 am
Sorry guys.
Post by: userpay on October 29, 2009, 01:00:49 pm
Hey guys I've got bad news, I woke up today and my fevers back, I can't DM like this. I can't even think straight. I'm sorry about this and especially the short notice, but I have to cancel.Dude you should see a doctor if its managed to comeback. Anyway who is in (or will be in) the next game anyway? If ye haven't already post your schedual, maybe we can do a game on saturday or sunday.
Sorry guys.
Post by: CJ1145 on October 29, 2009, 01:49:36 pm
Post by: Dakk on October 29, 2009, 02:28:59 pm
But aye, its no problem if you aren't feeling well, plus this means I'll have a bigger chance of playing.
(Today's my birthday so I don't have a whole lot of time on the comp).
Post by: RAM on October 29, 2009, 07:53:05 pm
Post by: Neruz on October 29, 2009, 07:59:30 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2009, 08:02:26 pm
Post by: Rooster on October 30, 2009, 03:23:56 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 30, 2009, 06:20:18 pm
As for this weekend, as per usual, I'm working. Already took two sick days, can't really take any more. After work is out due to it being in the middle of the night for europeans, before work is theoretically possible. I'm still sick enough that I'm taking the safe road tomorrow and not getting up super early. Sunday I'd probably be up for it but somehow I suspect at least one person will be engaging in activities halloween night that will inhibit their ability to wake up early. We can try for Sunday 2:00PM GMT though, if people are down for it.
Post by: userpay on October 30, 2009, 09:12:23 pm
Eh, thanks guys. Never did see a doctor but I think it was just a really shitty flu. Apparently this is a year for those. I'm feeling a fair bit better though. Not healthy, but also not writhing in a feverish trance, so yeah, good times. I am not about to willfully contract vampirism; I am a werewolf, vampires are my sworn enemies.Ah... not to sure about sunday, my dads getting on my ass about finding a job. Thats what time for my timezone? 6 am? Maybe...
As for this weekend, as per usual, I'm working. Already took two sick days, can't really take any more. After work is out due to it being in the middle of the night for europeans, before work is theoretically possible. I'm still sick enough that I'm taking the safe road tomorrow and not getting up super early. Sunday I'd probably be up for it but somehow I suspect at least one person will be engaging in activities halloween night that will inhibit their ability to wake up early. We can try for Sunday 2:00PM GMT though, if people are down for it.
Post by: userpay on October 31, 2009, 05:45:59 pm
Post by: userpay on November 01, 2009, 12:16:03 am
Post by: Dakk on November 01, 2009, 12:27:35 am
Post by: Rooster on November 01, 2009, 05:37:02 am
Bad :(
Post by: CJ1145 on November 01, 2009, 07:51:05 am
Post by: userpay on November 01, 2009, 09:36:25 am
Post by: Rooster on November 03, 2009, 01:35:57 pm
Post by: userpay on November 03, 2009, 03:30:36 pm
So Lethal flu or death to being bored with the game?All I can say is "I'z is sad". Seems people arn't to interested in this game anymore, and theres what 2 more being ran?
Post by: userpay on November 04, 2009, 04:57:24 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 05, 2009, 08:24:37 am
Post by: userpay on November 05, 2009, 12:10:29 pm
I dunno if Kinseti doesn't reply here I'll PM him about thisAlso consider noone else has replied and are getting involved with the other dnd games going on lol.
Post by: CJ1145 on November 05, 2009, 03:01:09 pm
Post by: Dakk on November 05, 2009, 03:02:14 pm
Post by: userpay on November 05, 2009, 06:37:20 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 06, 2009, 09:20:36 am
Eighter kinseti is dead or he abondoned us :/
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on November 06, 2009, 06:20:31 pm
Quote from: CJ1145
I'm willing to play as Richard again any time. Even my veteran D&D-playing friends never had the idea to use the dead rogue as a campfire! ;D
All the liquor makes them flammable.
Post by: Rooster on November 07, 2009, 04:55:03 am
Post by: Enzo on November 07, 2009, 10:43:22 pm
I'll try to avoid the lengthy and slightly redundant explanation as to why I hadn't (although should have) seen this coming. I just can't afford the time for something like this right now. I was clearly too ambitious when I jumped on the idea of DMing a game, immediately had my schedule life and collapse in on me and become unmanageable, and that makes me a douchebag and you are justified in hating me at this point. But the odds of me being able to manage a session a week on my own, not even factoring in everybody else's schedule, is pretty low at this point, I have no choice but to cancel.
On the plus side, I guess, numerous other forum D&D games have been started by more competent and committed DMs since I threw in my hat on this idea.
Post by: CJ1145 on November 07, 2009, 10:54:43 pm
Post by: userpay on November 07, 2009, 11:23:21 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 08, 2009, 05:06:31 am
I shout "LEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOY JENKINS!!!"
I RAEG! My attack bonus is now +7, damage +6 one more hp and AC lowering itself? I don't remember.
I attack the lesser elemental!
I wait now for dice!
Post by: Neruz on November 08, 2009, 05:53:08 am
Post by: RAM on November 08, 2009, 04:22:42 pm
Post by: RAM on November 26, 2009, 10:17:34 pm
Post by: userpay on November 27, 2009, 12:49:02 am
http://www.giantitp.com/index.html
sorta slow but its somewhat more consistant and easier than setting up times.