Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2009, 07:57:45 pm
TOON MAFIA V
JOIN NOW!
Let me list the rules:
1. There will never be vanilla-townie roles ever.
2. No double lynching.
3. Include me in all PMs.
4. Vote in red.
5. If everybody dies, the game ends in a draw.
6. THERE IS NO EDITING.
7. No normal Mafia-Kills during the night.
EFFECT FOR THIS GAME:
If at anytime someone becomes alignment 100% confirmed, they will be mod-killed instantly.
Except at the end of the game, of course. That wouldn't be fair.
[6/12] ALIVE
Players:
Vector
Rysith
JanusTwoFace
eduren
Apostolic Nihilist
dakarian
Post by: Rashilul on October 21, 2009, 07:59:20 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 21, 2009, 08:08:40 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on October 21, 2009, 08:29:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2009, 08:47:41 pm
Post by: Vector on October 21, 2009, 09:03:43 pm
Post by: Rysith on October 21, 2009, 11:19:39 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 22, 2009, 02:58:29 am
Everyone hates confirmed people.
Post by: Archangel on October 22, 2009, 03:29:01 am
[size=9]IN![/size]
Post by: Cheeetar on October 22, 2009, 03:37:51 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 22, 2009, 09:41:08 am
So I suppose cops will become vigs then?
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 22, 2009, 10:48:04 am
I haven't been in one of these yet, so we'll try it out.
(aka IN)
Out of curiosity, how will you know when someone is confirmed? Because different people will know different things. If I say, I confirm that Leafsnail is an Awesome Role of Awesomeness and he isn't won't his not being mod-killed give away information? Or will that not actually matter and I'm thinking too much (having never Toon Mafia'd before).
Post by: Eduren on October 22, 2009, 12:14:01 pm
Do I get another funny title this time?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2009, 01:45:03 pm
In.
So I suppose cops will become vigs then?
Only if you're confirmed as 100% cop.
Ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me!
I haven't been in one of these yet, so we'll try it out.
(aka IN)
Out of curiosity, how will you know when someone is confirmed? Because different people will know different things. If I say, I confirm that Leafsnail is an Awesome Role of Awesomeness and he isn't won't his not being mod-killed give away information? Or will that not actually matter and I'm thinking too much (having never Toon Mafia'd before).
When the confirmation is 100%. Like say, a cop scans someone and finds them to be town. If they die and are revealed to be a cop then that person that was scanned will die. (unless they are not town with a godfather-like ability, but then everyone will know and they "might" die. Depending on if there is serial killers. (yellow)
EDIT:
Also! If the cop hides his scan to EVERYBODY (it has to be everyone), then the scanned person will live when the cop dies.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 22, 2009, 01:46:04 pm
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Only if you're confirmed as 100% cop.Yes, so you can effectively sibling yourself with people as a cop. Interesting.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 22, 2009, 02:15:30 pm
(or better yet, I can just wait and find out)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2009, 02:19:34 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on October 22, 2009, 11:37:11 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 22, 2009, 11:38:52 pm
I forsee a strategy by the mafia in that they try and get people confirmed so as to get them mod-killed. Alternatively, they all claim scum and as the rest of the townies are confirmed because all the scum are revealed, all the townies are mod-killed.But just saying 'I am scum' does not actually confirm that you are scum, does it?
Post by: Cheeetar on October 22, 2009, 11:39:47 pm
Post by: Rysith on October 23, 2009, 12:22:31 am
Also! If the cop hides his scan to EVERYBODY (it has to be everyone), then the scanned person will live when the cop dies.
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Presumably they can still act on that, and claim their scanee's innocence, without saying "I'm a cop and I scanned him, he's town" and then flipping, right?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 23, 2009, 11:52:19 am
Quote from: ToonyMan link=topic=43713.msg827990#msg827990Also! If the cop hides his scan to EVERYBODY (it has to be everyone), then the scanned person will live when the cop dies.
Presumably they can still act on that, and claim their scanee's innocence, without saying "I'm a cop and I scanned him, he's town" and then flipping, right?
If you scan them and say they're town. They'll die when you die (or become 100%). If you didn't scan them and say they're town, then they won't die.
Well, unless the Town cop was being a douche and got a scum verdict and said they were Town. I guess the scum guy.....hmm.....when the town cop dies....well wouldn't he be telling the truth (he's not)?! The scum dude would live. :P
Post by: Leafsnail on October 23, 2009, 12:14:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 23, 2009, 12:20:33 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 23, 2009, 02:13:15 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on October 23, 2009, 03:02:39 pm
If at anytime someone becomes "confirmed", they will be mod-killed instantly.I would like to post to confirm ToonyMan as mod for this game.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 23, 2009, 03:10:40 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 23, 2009, 03:46:45 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 23, 2009, 04:07:09 pm
I have this feeling that ToonyMan will give me some kind of horrible post restriction just to annoy me.
I just makes random roles, these roles are given out completely random. Random random random.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 23, 2009, 04:08:22 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 23, 2009, 04:10:03 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 23, 2009, 04:25:12 pm
It's not my fault you'll have to end every sentence with desu.That's just cruel.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 23, 2009, 05:20:50 pm
It's not my fault you'll have to end every sentence with desu.日本語は凄いです！
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 23, 2009, 06:10:11 pm
"Nihongo wa sugoi desu!", though my reading might be wrong.It's not my fault you'll have to end every sentence with desu.日本語は凄いです！
Anyway, in.
If this round goes anything like the last one, I suspect crazy antics will ensue.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 23, 2009, 06:18:41 pm
I got "Japanese are amazing!", although I have a feeling Google Translate might just be messing around.It's not my fault you'll have to end every sentence with desu.日本語は凄いです！
Wait, since you just said that, ToonyMan, will that not make me a Confirmed Suiseiseki?
Post by: Twiggie on October 23, 2009, 06:22:26 pm
そして、このすいせういせきのいみは何だの。分かりません。
woo! go japanese! knew itd be useful someday
also, tentative in.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 23, 2009, 06:25:15 pm
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I do not like the Kanji. . .Damnit, I need to ask someone for help in this. Cambridge is full of Japanese people...
And this is taboo for a cough but nothing Suise Ui. I do not know.
Post by: Vector on October 23, 2009, 06:34:43 pm
"I don't like kanji. Who is this 'Suiseiseki' person, anyway? I don't understand."
He misspelled suiseiseki and wrote suiseuiseki instead.
Post by: Rashilul on October 23, 2009, 06:36:22 pm
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 23, 2009, 06:46:07 pm
— I was off by a bit anyways.
Vector, are you taking Japanese classes perchance?
I've spent some time memorizing Hiragana and the like, as well as vocabulary and grammar, but it still takes me ages to translate anything.
Post by: Vector on October 23, 2009, 07:05:34 pm
I wrote up a post explaining an approximate translation, but while I was referencing a kanji dictionary it appears as though Vector has already responded.
— I was off by a bit anyways.
Vector, are you taking Japanese classes perchance?
I've spent some time memorizing Hiragana and the like, as well as vocabulary and grammar, but it still takes me ages to translate anything.
I took some classes in high school, but they were pretty (read: really) lousy. Only 5 people in the AP class took the exam, and of those the only other student who had neither experience with Chinese nor native proficiency got a 1. Mostly I self-study, though I haven't studied Japanese for about a year and a half or so, now.
As far as translation goes, I've taught myself to think in Japanese, so it isn't very hard. You just have to find the English to go along with the concept the Japanese identified in your mind.
*Edited for incomprehensibility. I need to stop writing posts on 4 hours of sleep.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 23, 2009, 07:12:46 pm
Post by: Vector on October 23, 2009, 08:07:17 pm
Oh, well. I guess I'll just say "thank you" here.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 24, 2009, 02:00:05 am
ToonyMan, do you have any idea for when you plan on starting? Not in any particular hurry, just curious.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 24, 2009, 01:14:33 pm
ToonyMan, do you have any idea for when you plan on starting? Not in any particular hurry, just curious.
We have 11 players. I need 12 if I want my 3 mafia roles I made up in there.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 24, 2009, 01:42:47 pm
Post by: dakarian on October 24, 2009, 08:16:32 pm
You have your 12 players now ;)
/in
Post by: ToonyMan on October 24, 2009, 09:21:06 pm
DAY 1 START
There is 3 mafia WITHOUT a normal mafia-kill.
I feel pretty proud of this setup. Hehehe.
Post by: Eduren on October 24, 2009, 09:25:06 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on October 24, 2009, 09:49:11 pm
Post by: Eduren on October 24, 2009, 09:56:10 pm
Of course, if it tires you, go ahead and think of something different.
Post by: dakarian on October 24, 2009, 10:00:22 pm
Rysith
Tell me the nature of the mafia this time around. Wild guess if you have to.
I Don't know or anything similar = death!
Post by: Eduren on October 24, 2009, 10:02:30 pm
It took so long because I was too busy saving a bunch of money on my car insurance.But that only takes 15 minutes! I see a time discrepancy in your testimony.
Post by: dakarian on October 24, 2009, 10:06:11 pm
Post by: Eduren on October 24, 2009, 10:07:34 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 24, 2009, 10:46:48 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on October 25, 2009, 12:12:22 am
Post by: Archangel on October 25, 2009, 04:07:02 am
Post by: Cheeetar on October 25, 2009, 04:17:42 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 25, 2009, 05:40:42 am
I would guess that the mafia has some manner of confirming people during the night. That fits with the theme.
So hey I have not played many Toon Mafia (any). What kind of roles are we liable to see? Are posting restrictions common? Many day abilities? Are the mafia roles going to be obviously mafia, or just like plain town roles? Are there going to be normalish cops, doctors, roleblockers, or is every role completely crazy?
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 06:12:14 am
Hello everyone. Leafsnail! What do you think the mafia might get to compensate for not having a NK?Someone who has to end every sentence with desu?
No, not really. Thanks for not making me, Toony ;D. On a more serious note, perhaps a conversion? Or extra PRS?
Apostilic Nihilist, what's up with the lack of avatar and posting?
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 25, 2009, 06:15:48 am
Hello everyone. Leafsnail! What do you think the mafia might get to compensate for not having a NK?Someone who has to end every sentence with desu?
No, not really. Thanks for not making me, Toony ;D. On a more serious note, perhaps a conversion? Or extra PRS?
Apostilic Nihilist, what's up with the lack of avatar and posting?
I think Toony has learned his lesson about conversions, unless he decided to do a weird-ass cult variant...?
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 06:16:49 am
Post by: Twiggie on October 25, 2009, 07:32:52 am
im guessing the mafia just gets investigative roles, and they have to kill by confirming roles...
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 08:22:59 am
Ah, unless they get public announcement investigative roles. That would be... interesting.
Post by: Rashilul on October 25, 2009, 12:30:56 pm
Ah, unless they get public announcement investigative roles. That would be... interesting.That sounds odd, but plausible.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 12:35:58 pm
Although my vote stays on apost until he says something.
Post by: Twiggie on October 25, 2009, 12:38:30 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2009, 12:47:18 pm
uhhh toony, am i in or not? i notice im not on the list on the front page...
OH SHI----------
Hold on. Let me think of something quick.
Please make your IN posts more INy.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 12:48:19 pm
I did that to Frelock in Bay 12. Luckily he got to replace in eventually.uhhh toony, am i in or not? i notice im not on the list on the front page...
OH SHI----------
Hold on. Let me think of something quick.
Please make your IN posts more INy.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 25, 2009, 12:55:30 pm
On a more serious note: Does every/anyone have a Team Fortress flavored role? Because I do...
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 12:56:30 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 25, 2009, 01:02:37 pm
No, I do not have a TF flavoured role.Care to share your theme?
Also, I'm guessing a MC would be a poor choice? Because anyone that claims and then uses their action would be more or less confirmed == dead, yes?
Also, I'm not exactly sure of the general felling of Toon Mafia games (this is my first). Is there anything particularly unusual I should be on the lookout for?
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 01:04:37 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2009, 01:04:52 pm
VOTE COUNT:
dakarian - eduren [1]
Eduren - Cheeetar [1]
Rysith - dakarian [1]
Cheeetar - Pandarsenic [1]
Leafsnail - Archangel [1]
Random Someone - NUKE9.13 [1]
Apostolic Nihilist - Leafsnail [1]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Leafsnail - Rashilul [1]
Not Voting - Vector, Rysith, JanusTwoFace, Apostolic Nihilist [4]
This is a perfect example of how fearful people are of bandwagoning.
@JanusTwoFace:
100% confirmed as in their alignment. Not role, sorry.
Post by: Vector on October 25, 2009, 01:12:38 pm
Leafsnail, animu girls are traitors to mankind and should be burned at a stake.Ah, unless they get public announcement investigative roles. That would be... interesting.That sounds odd, but plausible.
Rashilul, I see that you like bandwagoning early in the morning.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 01:14:23 pm
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dakarian - eduren [1]I didn't realise there were two of me... do I get a second vote?
Eduren - Cheeetar [1]
Rysith - dakarian [1]
Cheeetar - Pandarsenic [1]
Leafsnail - Archangel [1]
Random Someone - NUKE9.13 [1]
Apostolic Nihilist - Leafsnail [1]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Leafsnail - Rashilul [1]
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 25, 2009, 01:16:06 pm
An MC at this time would be stupid, but I can say that the part which said I'd have to end every sentence with "DESU" was crossed out. Thank god.I would have been greatly amused if one role was uber-powerful but could only type in actual Japanese. (Not romaji) Especially because there are apparently at least two people on here that could read it (as long as it wasn't typed by Google).
Anyways, since you (Leafsnail) are the one online right now (that I can tell), I'll target this at you...
Based on what you know (not terribly much, granted), do you think that it's more likely that the scum have some sort of direct killing role or that they have to kill by confirming people? Also, who would you peg as scum now (granted, no info)?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2009, 01:17:01 pm
Quotedakarian - eduren [1]I didn't realise there were two of me... do I get a second vote?
Eduren - Cheeetar [1]
Rysith - dakarian [1]
Cheeetar - Pandarsenic [1]
Leafsnail - Archangel [1]
Random Someone - NUKE9.13 [1]
Apostolic Nihilist - Leafsnail [1]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Leafsnail - Rashilul [1]
That's an error. I'll fix it soon.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 25, 2009, 01:19:19 pm
I didn't realise there were two of me... do I get a second vote?It's a trick. One of you is actually Twiggie.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 01:19:43 pm
As for scum... I dunno. Some people haven't even said anything yet. Any of my suspicions would just be an OMGUS or overreaction at this point.
Post by: dakarian on October 25, 2009, 02:01:00 pm
Leafsnail, animu girls are traitors to mankind and should be burned at a stake.
FOS Rashilul for insulting the name of Lol Fang-tan.
Repent or die a thousand deaths!
Post by: Rashilul on October 25, 2009, 02:19:31 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2009, 02:23:57 pm
VOTE COUNT:
dakarian - eduren [1]
Eduren - Cheeetar [1]
Rysith - dakarian [1]
Cheeetar - Pandarsenic [1]
Leafsnail - Archangel, Rashilul [2]
Random Someone - NUKE9.13 [1]
Apostolic Nihilist - Leafsnail [1]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Rashilul - Vector
Not Voting - Rysith, JanusTwoFace, Apostolic Nihilist [3]
Now it's fixed! Right? RIGHT?!
Post by: dakarian on October 25, 2009, 02:26:44 pm
Vote Rahilul
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 02:28:58 pm
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Now it's fixed!But I'm not sure if that's a good enough reason to call Rashilul scum, Dak. I mean, not everyone likes cute lil' fangs...Right? RIGHT?!Desu? DESU?!
Post by: Rysith on October 25, 2009, 02:35:44 pm
It took so long because I was too busy saving a bunch of money on my car insurance.
Rysith
Tell me the nature of the mafia this time around. Wild guess if you have to.
I Don't know or anything similar = death!
Given that this is Toon Mafia, and the poor experience with conversions last time, I'd agree that the public investigation -> modkill route seems reasonable. To add something to the theorizing, I'd guess that each of the mafia has a different variety of investigative role (role name, ability, town/scum, etc.), meaning that they may be able to stack their confirmations onto a single day, or force townies to not use their roles for fear of being confirmed.
Exactly. Who better to be mafia than one with the avatar of the beloved by many "Fang-tan"? Toony's been counting on us not voting on him for that exact reason. In fact, I bet he gets to kill anybody who refers to him in such a way as his special-kill.
That's extremely faulty logic, since we have no evidence that Toony assigned roles to people anything other than randomly. In fact, it would be extremely dangerous to do so in this game, as anything that gives a hint of confirmation is a threat.
That said: JanusTwoFace, why do you have only 1/13 of a vote on you, and if you knew someone else's alignment, how would you use that knowledge?
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 25, 2009, 02:41:21 pm
That said: JanusTwoFace, why do you have only 1/13 of a vote on you, and if you knew someone else's alignment, how would you use that knowledge?
Since I previously had no votes on me, I'd assume that this means that your role only counts for 1/13 of a vote in some for or another. Either you get 1/n votes (where n is the number of players) per day or each time you vote you place that much (but cannot unvote) or something like that.
If I knew someone else's alignment, what I would do would depend on the alignment.
- If they were scum, I would tell everyone in hopes of confirming them (and thus getting them mod killed).
- If they were town, I would not tell everyone (to protect against mod kills), but I would try to work with this person to find the scum.
Given that, it is unlikely that I will find out the alignment of a living member of the mafia. So, I guess the second option is far more likely to happen.
Post by: dakarian on October 25, 2009, 03:05:41 pm
Exactly. Who better to be mafia than one with the avatar of the beloved by many "Fang-tan"? Toony's been counting on us not voting on him for that exact reason. In fact, I bet he gets to kill anybody who refers to him in such a way as his special-kill.
That's WIFOM though.. that gets the vote.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2009, 03:06:27 pm
Post by: Rashilul on October 25, 2009, 03:33:42 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2009, 04:07:36 pm
You going to have to replace me...
As in replaced? Like. Replaced replaced?
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 25, 2009, 05:38:54 pm
Toony said no traditional killing roles, so a mafia member who inspects and then has his results publicly announced would be another way of achieving the same effect.Unvote. That's awfully specific, Leafsnail....
As for scum... I dunno. Some people haven't even said anything yet. Any of my suspicions would just be an OMGUS or overreaction at this point.
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2009, 08:19:38 pm
Post by: dakarian on October 25, 2009, 08:31:00 pm
3rd vote. FOS PandarsenicToony said no traditional killing roles, so a mafia member who inspects and then has his results publicly announced would be another way of achieving the same effect.Unvote. That's awfully specific, Leafsnail....
As for scum... I dunno. Some people haven't even said anything yet. Any of my suspicions would just be an OMGUS or overreaction at this point.
Mind if I ask why that's specific enough for being the 3rd vote, Pandar?
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 25, 2009, 08:36:56 pm
It's really a logical conclusion to reach considering how specific Toony was about confirmation in this, so I suppose you're right that it isn't voteworthy.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2009, 08:38:19 pm
I can replace!
Alright. Let me send you his stuff.
dakarian, that doesn't count as a karma loss for Rashilul, does it? Look at this...
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=43236.msg833566#msg833566
Post by: dakarian on October 25, 2009, 09:08:15 pm
It'll mean he won't get the +1 for finishing, but he won't lose anything either..
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2009, 09:09:39 pm
Post by: dakarian on October 25, 2009, 09:10:22 pm
So if you had to prod, it's your choice between -1 karma or 0 karma. If you didn't get to prodding him, then he should lose nothing for it anyway.
In any case, 0 karma it'll be.
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2009, 09:39:45 pm
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 25, 2009, 09:49:03 pm
Well, I had a close encounter with major computer failure earlier today.Hello everyone. Leafsnail! What do you think the mafia might get to compensate for not having a NK?Someone who has to end every sentence with desu?
No, not really. Thanks for not making me, Toony ;D. On a more serious note, perhaps a conversion? Or extra PRS?
Apostilic Nihilist, what's up with the lack of avatar and posting?
Quite unfortunate really; my main hard drive failed and my backup didn't want to work.
Solved the problem with a 6 hour long CHKDSK session though.
Lack of avatar due to all potential choices being hopelessly campy.
Web:
RVS abound. Dakarian calls Rashilul on WIFOM. Pandarsenic finds Leafnsail's specificity striking and votes, when pushed he removes his vote.
I don't see anything major enough to vote for, so RVS engage.
Twiggie:
How do you suppose a thirteenth player will add to this probable cacophony?
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 25, 2009, 10:06:29 pm
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2009, 10:33:41 pm
... Wouldn't the added person be town for sure? Since there was three scum to begin with and the number of scum isn't going to change, he is, therefore, a confirmed townie.Well, I had a close encounter with major computer failure earlier today.Hello everyone. Leafsnail! What do you think the mafia might get to compensate for not having a NK?Someone who has to end every sentence with desu?
No, not really. Thanks for not making me, Toony ;D. On a more serious note, perhaps a conversion? Or extra PRS?
Apostilic Nihilist, what's up with the lack of avatar and posting?
Quite unfortunate really; my main hard drive failed and my backup didn't want to work.
Solved the problem with a 6 hour long CHKDSK session though.
Lack of avatar due to all potential choices being hopelessly campy.
Web:
RVS abound. Dakarian calls Rashilul on WIFOM. Pandarsenic finds Leafnsail's specificity striking and votes, when pushed he removes his vote.
I don't see anything major enough to vote for, so RVS engage.
Twiggie:
How do you suppose a thirteenth player will add to this probable cacophony?
I just killed a player that was just added. If he doesn't die, he is an SK or some other third party.
Now, my next question to you, Apostolic, is why didn't you catch this right away, or did you avoid the fact that calling him confirmed would end with him being modkilled? Because that's a dumb fact to avoid, because it's so obvious it should've been noticeable to everyone, so you all need to step it up.
Geez...
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 25, 2009, 10:39:32 pm
... Wouldn't the added person be town for sure? Since there was three scum to begin with and the number of scum isn't going to change, he is, therefore, a confirmed townie.Basically, read this: Unexpected Hanging Paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox)
So, I think that Toony choose randomly. There's really no more or less chance of Twiggie being scum than anyone else in my opinion. In fact, I think that it's vaguely suspicious of you, webadict, for pointing it out. Scum players often go for *easy* lynches, I think this definitively falls into that category.
For now, vote webadict.
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2009, 10:53:55 pm
Easy Lynch? Are you serious?... Wouldn't the added person be town for sure? Since there was three scum to begin with and the number of scum isn't going to change, he is, therefore, a confirmed townie.Basically, read this: Unexpected Hanging Paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox)
So, I think that Toony choose randomly. There's really no more or less chance of Twiggie being scum than anyone else in my opinion. In fact, I think that it's vaguely suspicious of you, webadict, for pointing it out. Scum players often go for *easy* lynches, I think this definitively falls into that category.
For now, vote webadict.
WOW! Okay, let's do this.
Okay, let's go over the obvious, because you seem to be missing several pieces:
That means we have 3 (1 + 1 + 1) mafia members. Now, when Twiggie joined:DAY 1 STARTThere is 3 mafia WITHOUT a normal mafia-kill.
I feel pretty proud of this setup. Hehehe.
uhhh toony, am i in or not? i notice im not on the list on the front page...There was no additional scum post. Not like it'd matter, because that would confirm him as scum as well. Therefore, we can assume he's not scum.
It's not the simple lynch, moron, because this should've been obvious. The fact you refuse to admit this is simple idiocy. He would've been modkilled later at a lylo situation if you had let it go. Is that what you wanted?
So, instead of screwing over the town, how about you help instead?
And if he doesn't die, then there's a chance he's a yellow or a green. So, you can go cry in a corner if he dies, or shut up when he doesn't. It's rather simple if you think about it. I'm pretty sure you didn't.
But there's absolutely no chance of him being scum. Otherwise, we'd know and he'd die, you stupid moron. Go shoot yourself in the face.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 25, 2009, 11:02:06 pm
I wouldn't say he's any more likely or less likely to be scum.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was a third-party alignment. Seems like Toony would catch something really obvious like that, and then feel the need to correct it. Instead of making him scum, he gave him a different alignment from both groups.
...or Toony realized a 13th player would just add more WIFOM and didn't bother with anything complex.
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2009, 11:13:23 pm
I thought about that before I posted, but I didn't really read too deeply into it.0% chance for him to be scum. ToonyMan would have to tell us, plus 4 scum in 13p means we have 2 mislynches, which is also a bad choice (Plus about 30% scum instead of the about 25%).
I wouldn't say he's any more likely or less likely to be scum.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was a third-party alignment. Seems like Toony would catch something really obvious like that, and then feel the need to correct it. Instead of making him scum, he gave him a different alignment from both groups.
...or Toony realized a 13th player would just add more WIFOM and didn't bother with anything complex.
Plus, he didn't say any additional scum. Like he did at the beginning. Therefore, impossible scum.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 25, 2009, 11:18:17 pm
The very fact that you said that you said this:
But there's absolutely no chance of him being scum. Otherwise, we'd know and he'd die, you stupid moron. Go shoot yourself in the face.and that Twiggie hasn't died means one of three things:
- ToonyMan hasn't been on to deal with the situation.
- You are right, Twiggie has to be town (then he should be dead).
- Apostolic Nihilist is right, Twiggie has to be third party (then he should be dead).
- ToonyMan did exactly what I said he did and choose Twiggie's alignment as if it were random with two subcases:
- You are scum and were hoping that no one would do what I just did.
- You are town and now looking awfully hard at me. If I were scum, this would be exactly what I would want (because then you aren't actually scum hunting).
Your attitude is even less helpful that you apparently think mine is.
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2009, 11:29:33 pm
Did you even read the link that I posted?I read the link. It was pointless.
The very fact that you said that you said this:But there's absolutely no chance of him being scum. Otherwise, we'd know and he'd die, you stupid moron. Go shoot yourself in the face.and that Twiggie hasn't died means one of three things:
- ToonyMan hasn't been on to deal with the situation.
- You are right, Twiggie has to be town (then he should be dead).
- Apostolic Nihilist is right, Twiggie has to be third party (then he should be dead).
- ToonyMan did exactly what I said he did and choose Twiggie's alignment as if it were random with two subcases:
- You are scum and were hoping that no one would do what I just did.
- You are town and now looking awfully hard at me. If I were scum, this would be exactly what I would want (because then you aren't actually scum hunting).
Your attitude is even less helpful that you apparently think mine is.
But he won't die so long as there is a chance he is yellow or green, instead of only green. But there is 0 chance he can be scum, and therefore, a lynch on him is pointless unless he's an SK. And, obviously, no one knows if he's yellow or green.
Therefore, your list is completely wrong. There IS a chance he's yellow or green. Just because I SAY someone is green or yellow or red and it's true doesn't kill him. That's not confirmed. So before you start looking stupid (Too late), learn a thing or two about the game.
If he's scum, ToonyMan would have to tell us, thereby confirming him as scum (And killing him).
If he's green or yellow, ToonyMan doesn't increase the scum (Which he didn't, in case you weren't paying attention).
Obviously, if I received my role within a short time, ToonyMan dealt with the situation, since, get this, things tend to happen in the ORDER THAT THEY HAPPEN! Try not to think too hard about that because you might hurt yourself.
Now do you understand or is this still over your head?
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 25, 2009, 11:40:19 pm
I have better ways to deal with whether or not you are scum than voting for you.
unvote
I'll see what else is going on in the morning.
Toony, do you have a rough estimate (or better yet a solid estimate) of when the first day is scheduled to end?
Post by: Cheeetar on October 25, 2009, 11:44:32 pm
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2009, 11:47:05 pm
I still do not think your attitude is very helpful. But then again, by continuing this, I'm not being helpful either.Likewise, continuing to prove you wrong is exhausting and equally pointless.
I have better ways to deal with whether or not you are scum than voting for you.
unvote
I'll see what else is going on in the morning.
Toony, do you have a rough estimate (or better yet a solid estimate) of when the first day is scheduled to end?
Now:
I thought about that before I posted, but I didn't really read too deeply into it.So, would that somehow make it better to lynch him? I thought we were trying to lynch scum here. I've just proven how he can't be scum. Now, why do you continue to vote him?
I wouldn't say he's any more likely or less likely to be scum.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was a third-party alignment. Seems like Toony would catch something really obvious like that, and then feel the need to correct it. Instead of making him scum, he gave him a different alignment from both groups.
...or Toony realized a 13th player would just add more WIFOM and didn't bother with anything complex.
Webadict: Why would he 'have' to tell us if he's scum? This is Toon Mafia.Yes. Also, 2 mislynches is not enough. The statistics would be too unbalanced. 0%.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 25, 2009, 11:55:10 pm
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2009, 11:58:48 pm
We'd have two mislynches and then arrive at a lylo. It dosen't seem unbalanced to me....
2 Mislynches.
4 Scum.
You'd need FOUR CORRECT LYNCHES... IN A ROW!
Ridiculous!
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 26, 2009, 12:05:31 am
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2009, 12:07:09 am
9 town, 4 scum.
Lynch town.
Night-kill town.
7 town, 4 scum.
Lynch town.
Night-kill town.
5 town, 4 scum.
Lylo.
We'd have to mislynch three townies to lose.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 26, 2009, 12:08:25 am
That's why I'm voting him, applying pressure, and asking questions.
The less anti-town aligned players, the better we'll fare.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2009, 12:15:41 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 26, 2009, 12:19:41 am
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 26, 2009, 12:23:59 am
Asking questions and getting answers never hurts.
If it came down to it, I wouldn't lynch him today and I don't know why you think that I would.
I don't think many people intend to lynch the first person they vote for.
He's probably third-party, right? Then we should probably understand what his motives are! Are they anti-town or what? We don't even know yet and that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 26, 2009, 12:28:24 am
Scum needs to die! Why waste time on this?
Post by: Eduren on October 26, 2009, 12:29:47 am
He's probably third-party, right? Then we should probably understand what his motives are! Are they anti-town or what? We don't even know yet and that's what I'm trying to figure out.So you're rolefishing then.
It would be much more beneficial for scum to know of any third parties than a town.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 26, 2009, 12:37:44 am
How so?He's probably third-party, right? Then we should probably understand what his motives are! Are they anti-town or what? We don't even know yet and that's what I'm trying to figure out.So you're rolefishing then.
It would be much more beneficial for scum to know of any third parties than a town.
Scum can come to exactly the same conclusions that I have, probably much more quickly too.
I'll admit to rolefishing, as that's what I'm doing, but whether or not he tells me his role (hint: he won't) it doesn't really matter. If his actions make him look pro-town (as I might've managed to trick him into doing...) he becomes a viable target for scum.
Isn't this good? — he were to be NK'd then the scum have just wasted their kill.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2009, 12:41:19 am
Post by: Eduren on October 26, 2009, 12:45:09 am
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 26, 2009, 12:49:48 am
Wait, what? Apostolic Nihilist, which is rolefishing and picking out targets for the scum good?Would you rather an innocent town die or a dubiously-aligned third-party?
Rolefishing is certainly bad behaviour when dealing with town. As a third-party however, how much harm can arise from it?
It can only help us. It might help scum, too, but it'll help us more.
Eduren: Survivors still win at the end if it's only mafia left, hence why they can align with scum at Lyloy and get a guaranteed win.
Being Toon Mafia, he could just as well be a Cult Leader sort of role for all we know.
Since he's the last player to join the fray, that makes him much more suspicious; we should try and find out what his objectives are.
Should we waste a lynch on him? No, we shouldn't. But we should try and find out just what he's after!
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2009, 12:55:13 am
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 26, 2009, 01:03:00 am
So, you are stating that he's a third-party, and that because he is he should immediately tell us his role?I'm stating that he's likely third-party. Furthermore, I'm asking him to reveal his role (BUT HE WON'T, because no matter what that would end badly for him) in an attempt to gather more information.
Knowing his role would help both scum and town, wouldn't it? It also does not help him. He'll likely either dodge the question or try to strike a compromise (I can't tell you my role, but my win condition doesn't preclude town from winning) etc., or (I can be useful to town!).
As it stands, we're not going to lynch him, and with good reason. We can however draw attention to him. We have nothing to go off right now, and we need something. That's what I'm trying to acquire!
I'm using my rolefishing in an attempt to gather information, not necessarily his role. Perhaps a metric by which we can judge his actions.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2009, 01:05:29 am
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 26, 2009, 01:08:29 am
So, you're trying to stimulate conversation?Yes!
Thank you for finally understanding!
I suppose I was a bit roundabout, but this is what I'm doing. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: dakarian on October 26, 2009, 03:06:16 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 26, 2009, 05:39:47 am
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Rashilul is scumFor a town insta-win.
Pandarsenic is scum
Vector is scum
Rysith is scum
NUKE9.13 is scum
Archangel is scum
Cheeetar is scum
JanusTwoFace is scum
eduren is scum
Apostolic Nihilist is scum
dakarian is scum
Twiggie the Subtle is scum
As for Rashilul, sorry to hear about your loss. I had prepared an answer humorously invoking gamblers' fallacy because Tsuruya was scum last time (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1611090#1611090), but it looks like it will be unnecessary now.
Post by: webadict on October 26, 2009, 08:59:39 am
And conversation you have. But, it's focused around you.So, you're trying to stimulate conversation?Yes!
Thank you for finally understanding!
I suppose I was a bit roundabout, but this is what I'm doing. Nothing more, nothing less.
My problem, though, is that you got jumbo-wagoned by like five guys on speed.
I'm questioning him, of all things. This is the RVS stage, right?It's not about lynching the first person you vote, it's about lynching the scummiest person. If that person happened to be the person you vote, then so be it.
Asking questions and getting answers never hurts.
If it came down to it, I wouldn't lynch him today and I don't know why you think that I would.
I don't think many people intend to lynch the first person they vote for.
He's probably third-party, right? Then we should probably understand what his motives are! Are they anti-town or what? We don't even know yet and that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Seriously, AN, what are you doing? My vote remains on you for blatant rolefishing and trying to take out a potential anti-scum target. He could be green OR yellow, so he's not confirmed, and won't be modkilled. Yes, there's a chance he's an SK, but there's a greater or equal chance he's town, and asking him to claim on day 1 is just stupid. Remember: if I say something and it's true, it's not confirmed. Otherwise I could just say:Likewise, when the scum's about to be lynched, they can call out the names of the town and get them all lynched, since they know for a fact who is town. All the scum have to do is agree and the town will be insta-loss. The only reason this wouldn't work is if there are no yellows. This is a two-way street.QuoteRashilul is scumFor a town insta-win.
Pandarsenic is scum
Vector is scum
Rysith is scum
NUKE9.13 is scum
Archangel is scum
Cheeetar is scum
JanusTwoFace is scum
eduren is scum
Apostolic Nihilist is scum
dakarian is scum
Twiggie the Subtle is scum
As for Rashilul, sorry to hear about your loss. I had prepared an answer humorously invoking gamblers' fallacy because Tsuruya was scum last time (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1611090#1611090), but it looks like it will be unnecessary now.
Also, what happened to the guy I replaced?
Post by: Leafsnail on October 26, 2009, 09:02:13 am
Anyway, yes, the possibility of SKs and such prevents the scum from just naming their team mates for a town auto-lose.
Post by: webadict on October 26, 2009, 09:05:35 am
One of Rashilul's friends died, and thus he's spending time away from the forums to mourn.Oh... Sorry man.
Anyway, yes, the possibility of SKs and such prevents the scum from just naming their team mates for a town auto-lose.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 26, 2009, 12:58:28 pm
Let's see.
9 town, 4 scum.
Lynch town.
Night-kill town.
7 town, 4 scum.
Lynch town.
Night-kill town.
5 town, 4 scum.
Lylo.
We'd have to mislynch three townies to lose.
But the problem is, we have no idea what abilities the Mafia actually has. I'll back down for now and assume that Twiggie is not scum, but we also know that the Mafia does not have a night kill. At least not directly. So until tomorrow morning at the earliest, we don't know if this analysis even makes sense. For all we know, the Mafia's abilities deal with controlling the lynches and the town has to use investigative roles to kill them...
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2009, 01:57:03 pm
VOTE COUNT:
dakarian - eduren [1]
Rysith - dakarian [1]
Leafsnail - Archangel [1]
Random Someone - NUKE9.13 [1]
Apostolic Nihilist - Leafsnail, Webadict, Pandarsenic, Cheeetar [4]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Webadict - Vector [1]
Twiggie - Apostolic Nihilist [1]
Not Voting - Rysith, JanusTwoFace [2]
Twiggie doesn't look like he's dying anytime soon.
~Day End Wednesday 8 PM EST~
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 26, 2009, 02:59:08 pm
What a happening!
Letssee.
Twiggie is probably not scum as has been pointed out
Good to know!
AN- well, I happen to know that AN isn't completely canny of all things mafia, so I can believe that he is just confuzzled. I don't think he has warranted a lynch. Still, AN, learn from this. Be more smart.
Good morning everyone! And how is life this fine fine Sunday morning? (EST, actually I guess it's afternoon now; but I just got up)This is interesting!
On a more serious note: Does every/anyone have a Team Fortress flavored role? Because I do...
Most TF roles I can think of are pretty aggressive! You could be a medic, but how would you differentiate that from just an ordinary doctor?
And the scum, without their own scum kill, need killing roles.
Worth remembering.
Archangel: You pop in for a random vote, you pop out again. Come and join in the conversation.
I still do not think your [webadict's] attitude is very helpful.Are you kidding
Webadict is being exceedingly helpful. A post just saying: 'This guy is scum' is about par for webadict.
Anyway; day 1, so boring, so slow. Random Someone, do you have anything interesting you have noticed?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2009, 03:06:24 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 26, 2009, 03:28:56 pm
I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING! I DIDN'T TOUCH HIM!
...
...
Archangel, do you have anything interesting you have noticed?
Post by: webadict on October 26, 2009, 03:38:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2009, 03:52:45 pm
... Wait what?
It's a joke. Don't mind.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 26, 2009, 03:59:56 pm
In any case:
Cheeetar, you had a few points during last nights (RL) debate but really haven't had any nice in depth posts... Who would you most like to investigate right now? (Two answers, one for role and one for alignment)
This is interesting!Pyro, Heavy, Soldier, & Demoman are rather agressive
Most TF roles I can think of are pretty aggressive! You could be a medic, but how would you differentiate that from just an ordinary doctor?
And the scum, without their own scum kill, need killing roles.
Worth remembering.
Engineer, Spy, Scout, Medic are rather not
Sniper can go either way (more precise than agressive)
So I'd say it's actually a pretty even split (granted, I moved the Sniper into its own category to make that even split, but still... ;D)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2009, 04:08:24 pm
Post by: Twiggie on October 26, 2009, 04:11:03 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 26, 2009, 04:14:17 pm
Spy and scout aren't that defensive. In fact, scout is super-offensive! You shouldn't have scouts when you're defending.Didn't say defensive... Said rather not as offensive. At least in my opinion. ;D
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2009, 04:18:41 pm
Post by: Eduren on October 26, 2009, 04:21:18 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2009, 05:07:44 pm
Also, I'll unvote Apostolic Nihilist now that I know what he was doing and vote Archangel for lurking.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 26, 2009, 05:13:38 pm
unvote
eduren, what about you? (Same question, private investigations)
Post by: Eduren on October 26, 2009, 05:35:56 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 26, 2009, 05:39:22 pm
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I'm hoping there aren't too many roles that publicly announce the result of investigations.Such a role would basically be a vig, and it sounds just like the sortof thing that would happen in Toony mafia :P. I know it's a cliche, but I'd personally investigate webadict, since he's hard to get a read on, and someone subbing in can be extra hard to read.
Post by: webadict on October 26, 2009, 08:19:38 pm
Janus, by investigate I assume you mean night-kill because of everyone saying that investigate would publicly announce and mod-kill them. I would go for Archangel, because he's been lurking heaps. If, however, investigations weren't publicly announced, I would go for Apostolic Nihilist for alignment because of the strange way he started conversation (admitting to rolefishing) and go for Webadict for role, just in case.STOP UNVOTING LIKE THAT!
Also, I'll unvote Apostolic Nihilist now that I know what he was doing and vote Archangel for lurking.
Post by: dakarian on October 26, 2009, 08:38:57 pm
First jumping on an attack that, the second I even question, you fall back on, and now you're in on the AN bandwagon. Even more, so, you aren't even questioning anyone, just voting and walking away.
Pandarsenic, did you just roll up scum again?
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 26, 2009, 09:52:00 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2009, 10:54:23 pm
Post by: webadict on October 26, 2009, 10:56:43 pm
Stop unvoting like what, Webadict?By HIGHLIGHTING the person you're voting for.
You highlight the Unvote part.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2009, 11:01:09 pm
Post by: Archangel on October 27, 2009, 04:24:31 am
Post by: dakarian on October 27, 2009, 10:00:10 am
I don't look at how many votes people have before I vote, douchecock. That's what scum would do. Also, I'm not sure I buy AN's thing about "stimulating discussion." Rolefishing is rolefishing in any context.
Do you also lose your cool THAT easily as town?
Also do you ride other people's battles as town as well?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 27, 2009, 01:45:22 pm
VOTE COUNT:
dakarian(Toony?) - eduren [1]
Archangel - NUKE9.13, Cheeetar [2]
Apostolic Nihilist - Leafsnail, Webadict, Pandarsenic [3]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Webadict - Vector [1]
Twiggie - Apostolic Nihilist [1]
JanusTwoFace - Rysith [1] (sorry bud)
Pandarsenic - dakarian [1]
Not Voting - JanusTwoFace, Archangel [2]
~Day End Wednesday 8 PM EST~
Post by: webadict on October 27, 2009, 06:11:17 pm
Sorry everyone. I've got a virus of some sort and am not up to playing right now, but should be better soon. For the moment, I will just unvote.... So... what?
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 27, 2009, 06:45:08 pm
Anyways, Pandarsenic seemed a bit quick to jump on me for 'being dumb', but that's quite expected. I'm wondering why he thinks 'asking questions' is a waste of time, though...
I'm unvoting Twiggie because, well, he's not scum. Lynching him is bad for us, etc. I only voted him in the first place to draw his attention to my questions (which clearly failed).
Post by: Twiggie on October 27, 2009, 06:58:36 pm
yeah, anyway im not scum.
FoS pandar for massive overreaction and leafsnail for being overly specific. i vote we off him if it turns out he was right.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 27, 2009, 09:13:26 pm
Post by: webadict on October 27, 2009, 09:31:04 pm
I jump on all forms of stupid. It's like, my job or something. AN, "stimulating discussion" is a good enough reason but a bad excuse for rolefishing, though we'll see which was which later, I'm sure. However, exposing 3rdparty roles can be a terrible idea at times. What if the role entailed, say, capturing a member of the scum team (Dopp Hunter from Paranormal)? I doubt we'd see anything so... direct or unoriginal, but the point remains. 3rdparty roles do not have alignments, but there are very few that are strictly pro-scum; thus, it's more beneficial to the scum than the town to know what he is.Bite me.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 27, 2009, 09:35:35 pm
*Bites you*I jump on all forms of stupid. It's like, my job or something. AN, "stimulating discussion" is a good enough reason but a bad excuse for rolefishing, though we'll see which was which later, I'm sure. However, exposing 3rdparty roles can be a terrible idea at times. What if the role entailed, say, capturing a member of the scum team (Dopp Hunter from Paranormal)? I doubt we'd see anything so... direct or unoriginal, but the point remains. 3rdparty roles do not have alignments, but there are very few that are strictly pro-scum; thus, it's more beneficial to the scum than the town to know what he is.Bite me.
Post by: webadict on October 27, 2009, 09:37:33 pm
3rd Parties can be bad if they're SKs.*Bites you*I jump on all forms of stupid. It's like, my job or something. AN, "stimulating discussion" is a good enough reason but a bad excuse for rolefishing, though we'll see which was which later, I'm sure. However, exposing 3rdparty roles can be a terrible idea at times. What if the role entailed, say, capturing a member of the scum team (Dopp Hunter from Paranormal)? I doubt we'd see anything so... direct or unoriginal, but the point remains. 3rdparty roles do not have alignments, but there are very few that are strictly pro-scum; thus, it's more beneficial to the scum than the town to know what he is.Bite me.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 27, 2009, 09:40:34 pm
But even the scum wants an SK gone. Anti-town isn't necessarily pro-Scum. Pay attention.
Post by: webadict on October 27, 2009, 09:43:50 pm
Well, no shit, Shercock.Duuuuuh, how about Survivor, numbskull?
But even the scum wants an SK gone. Anti-town isn't necessarily pro-Scum. Pay attention.
Pro-scum, you stupid moron.
Oh, wait, is that all of the yellows? Maybe a cult or something? They aren't necessarily anti-scum, and tend to harm town more that anything, so don't assume idiotic things like that they're harmless.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 27, 2009, 10:10:47 pm
The useful vote count is in my opinion. I'm sure you could come up with slightly different numbers, if you want to go for it. But this is what I think.
Spoiler: Posting record (click to show/hide)
These are some of my more specific thoughts from my notes as I've been going. Of all of these, Apostolic Nihilist, Pandarsenic, and Rashilul/webadict are the most suspicious.
Spoiler: Specific thoughts on scummitude (click to show/hide)
Given this, I'm going to vote Pandarsenic. Right now, I'm willing to given Apostolic Nihilist the benifit of the doubt for the rolefishsing, I'm curious about Twiggie's role myself given his late join.
webadict also bugs me, both when he was Rashilul and after he changed, for different reasons. If I had to choose two people for the scum team right now, I would choose Pandarsenic and webadict, which is kind of scary.
Finally, I realize that I've FoSed 8/13 players and that there is no way (I really hope) that they are all scum. Still, they've each done something to deserve it, so it works out.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 27, 2009, 10:14:06 pm
...
Wait, no.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 27, 2009, 10:16:36 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 27, 2009, 10:18:20 pm
Webadict-Pandarsenic fight is a staged fight by scum to bus each other. I unvote Archangel, and vote Webadict.I've claimed these a number of times and never actually seen one that was really happening. If this is the first one, awesome. On the other hand, I'm pretty suspicious of webadict as well, so all's fair.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 27, 2009, 10:27:17 pm
Post by: webadict on October 27, 2009, 10:34:51 pm
Webadict-Pandarsenic fight is a staged fight by scum to bus each other. I unvote Archangel, and vote Webadict.Yep, that's why I'm totally voting him. I'm voting him to bus him, my scum partner. That's where my vote is, so that he will be lynched. My vote. To lynch him. The person I'm voting for. Because I'm voting him. With my vote. My vote.
My. Vote.
Vote.
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YOU STUPID IDIOT!
Where is this bus? I'm pointing out he's stupid. I'm not voting him. I'm not trying to make him scummy. I'm saying he's a moron, but you just made him look like Stephan Hawking.
Holy crap. You make me ashamed to be in the same game as you. Please, go to the corner and maybe we'll let you come back when you learn to use big-boy logic. Okay? But for now, you can just try and think in your head before speaking a load of crap out loud.
OH WAIT I'M BUSSING YOU! OH NO! IT'S NOT MY FAULT THAT MY VOTE'S NOT ON YOU! STUPID BUSSES! HOW COULD I KEEP BUSSING PEOPLE!?!?!?
Yeah, whatever. Please be sure to lock yourself up somewhere so that you aren't a danger to others.
I don't understand your post. Claimed what a number of times? What?He's saying to stop being an idiot in a nice way. Don't think you deserve it.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 27, 2009, 10:40:08 pm
Post by: webadict on October 27, 2009, 10:42:59 pm
Calm down, Webadict. It's a game.Get smarter. If you're going to use fancy terms, at least know what they mean.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 27, 2009, 10:44:45 pm
Or is bussing limited to voting for them for no apparent reason?
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 27, 2009, 10:55:05 pm
PandarsenicSuck a dick.
- Being abrasive (perhaps role? not all posts, so not sure)
- Jumping on Leafsnail then immediately off when called on itSomeone (I don't even remember who) pointed out whatever it is he'd done wasn't really worth a vote. I agreed. Go fuck a goat.
- BandwagoningYour mom bandwagons on my penis.
It's funny 'cuz it's true.
- Agressive again, throughout the whole gameAggression is a towntell, dipshit.
- Replaced players have a slight scum tendency IMOWhat the fuck are you even talking about!?
TwiggieYou're voting "Aggressive" over "Posts aren't helpful"!? Are you out of your fucking mind?
- Posts aren't really helpful
Given this, I'm going to vote Pandarsenic. Right now, I'm willing to given Apostolic Nihilist the benifit of the doubt for the rolefishsing, I'm curious about Twiggie's role myself given his late join.ARGDAHYLKGAKDLFJLAKDHGLKDSAHGLKJA
webadict also bugs me, both when he was Rashilul and after he changed, for different reasons. If I had to choose two people for the scum team right now, I would choose Pandarsenic and webadict, which is kind of scary.[/quote]
Scum team is 3 people and don't pair me with him, jackass.
Cheeetar, you're on crack. Janus, you're right about ONE thing. Everyone bitches about the scum staging fights and nothing ever comes of it.Webadict-Pandarsenic fight is a staged fight by scum to bus each other. I unvote Archangel, and vote Webadict.I've claimed these a number of times and never actually seen one that was really happening. If this is the first one, awesome. On the other hand, I'm pretty suspicious of webadict as well, so all's fair.
Well, no shit, Shercock.Duuuuuh, how about Survivor, numbskull?
But even the scum wants an SK gone. Anti-town isn't necessarily pro-Scum. Pay attention.
Pro-scum, you stupid moron.
Oh, wait, is that all of the yellows? Maybe a cult or something? They aren't necessarily anti-scum, and tend to harm town more that anything, so don't assume idiotic things like that they're harmless.
Very few that are strictly pro-scum, I said. Pay a-fucking-ttention.
I didn't say they were harmless, I said they were more likely to be something scum wants to get rid of.
Fake-edit: Okay, Webadict, that's a bit overkill there. He's a douchetard but he's not hopeless.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 27, 2009, 10:56:08 pm
Post by: webadict on October 27, 2009, 11:01:33 pm
Archangel.
Because he won't be killed if he's town (Or be helpful), and if he's scum we'll never lynch him.
I've got enough data as is.
Bus: To distance yourself from a scum partner by pretending to disagree with them or vote for them.Distancing. Different from bussing.
Or is bussing limited to voting for them for no apparent reason?
Bussing refers to offing/voting your fellow scummates to look more town.
Post by: dakarian on October 27, 2009, 11:01:52 pm
2. Before Pandar went back into 'jerk mode' (jeesh, that NEVER helps town so please cool down) he started making sense again. For now I'll pull off of him. Unvote
Cheeetar, though, looks rather quick to jump on webadict and claiming 'bus' because of an argument is rather reaching, especially since it's oh so easy for town to jump on town.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 27, 2009, 11:51:34 pm
I don't understand your post. Claimed what a number of times? What?
Claimed that there were scum staging a fight.
- Agressive again, throughout the whole gameAggression is a towntell, dipshit.
Granted. Aggressive players are likely to be either townies or talented scum players. Let me reprase:
-AgressiveAsshole again, throughout the whole game
Post by: dakarian on October 28, 2009, 12:50:14 am
Assholishness mixed with something else can produce a powerful town/scum tell.
Post by: Archangel on October 28, 2009, 03:01:34 am
I am unwell. I am not thinking as well as I normally do. I will be well soon. Get your vote off me.Sorry everyone. I've got a virus of some sort and am not up to playing right now, but should be better soon. For the moment, I will just unvote.... So... what?
Ah, hell. Just put me up for replacement. Hopefully though, I'll recover before you get one.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 28, 2009, 08:26:42 am
Webadict and Pandarsenic, those attacks on Janus were totally uncalled for. It's just a game, after all, and shouldn't really warrant personal insults.
That said, Pandarsenic's hyper aggressive tendancies seem to show more as town than scum (scum Pandarsenic is often pretty quiet and active lurkerish, in addition to more polite) so, while he could be deliberately acting against his own tells, I'd have him down as town at the moment.
I actually find Cheeetar far more scummy. His bussing argument is pretty lazy (and bussing refers only to getting your partner killed, not just attacking them) and bandwagon-ish, and he seems to be trying to avoid attention from those who are most likely to accuse him.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 28, 2009, 08:32:15 am
Post by: Rysith on October 28, 2009, 09:20:57 am
Webadict-Pandarsenic fight is a staged fight by scum to bus each other. I unvote Archangel, and vote Webadict.
I'd like to see your evidence for it being staged. From here, it just looks like two abrasive people abrading each other. That said,
abuse
and
profanity
certainly didn't do anything to help the town either. I agree with Leafsnail that profane Pandarsenic tends not to be scum, so unless Cheeetar has some more evidence I wouldn't be in favor of a Pandarsenic lynch today.
With that, I'm going to Unvote and vote Webadict. He (as Janus pointed out) has been posting an abnormally high ratio of useless to useful posts, which is a bit scummy. He's also massively overreacting to Cheeetar's vote on him, and doing so in a way that is actively harmful to the town regardless of his and Cheeetar's alignment. Hurling walls of insults at people who vote for you never helps, even when they use the wrong terminology to describe their reasons.
Post by: webadict on October 28, 2009, 10:05:50 am
Teaches them to use it right. Duuuuuuuuuur.Webadict-Pandarsenic fight is a staged fight by scum to bus each other. I unvote Archangel, and vote Webadict.
I'd like to see your evidence for it being staged. From here, it just looks like two abrasive people abrading each other. That said,abuse
andprofanity
certainly didn't do anything to help the town either. I agree with Leafsnail that profane Pandarsenic tends not to be scum, so unless Cheeetar has some more evidence I wouldn't be in favor of a Pandarsenic lynch today.
With that, I'm going to Unvote and vote Webadict. He (as Janus pointed out) has been posting an abnormally high ratio of useless to useful posts, which is a bit scummy. He's also massively overreacting to Cheeetar's vote on him, and doing so in a way that is actively harmful to the town regardless of his and Cheeetar's alignment. Hurling walls of insults at people who vote for you never helps, even when they use the wrong terminology to describe their reasons.
And that was me being calm. I had to remove a spoiler full of the word "VOTE" for sanity purposes. Also, let's break down your post into the resulting nothing:
Webadict-Pandarsenic fight is a staged fight by scum to bus each other. I unvote Archangel, and vote Webadict.
I'd like to see your evidence for it being staged. From here, it just looks like two abrasive people abrading each other. That said,abuse
andprofanity
certainly didn't do anything to help the town either. I agree with Leafsnail that profane Pandarsenic tends not to be scum, so unless Cheeetar has some more evidence I wouldn't be in favor of a Pandarsenic lynch today.
See, the words I see are "more" and "evidence." Which you seem to be lacking here:
With that, I'm going to Unvote and vote Webadict. He (as Janus pointed out) has been posting an abnormally high ratio of useless to useful posts, which is a bit scummy. He's also massively overreacting to Cheeetar's vote on him, and doing so in a way that is actively harmful to the town regardless of his and Cheeetar's alignment. Hurling walls of insults at people who vote for you never helps, even when they use the wrong terminology to describe their reasons.
Also, you've only pulled information from other people's posts, which is contrary to your playing style. And if you're going to describe my posting ability (Wrongly, I might add), let's describe yours.
It took so long because I was too busy saving a bunch of money on my car insurance.
Rysith
Tell me the nature of the mafia this time around. Wild guess if you have to.
I Don't know or anything similar = death!
Given that this is Toon Mafia, and the poor experience with conversions last time, I'd agree that the public investigation -> modkill route seems reasonable. To add something to the theorizing, I'd guess that each of the mafia has a different variety of investigative role (role name, ability, town/scum, etc.), meaning that they may be able to stack their confirmations onto a single day, or force townies to not use their roles for fear of being confirmed.Exactly. Who better to be mafia than one with the avatar of the beloved by many "Fang-tan"? Toony's been counting on us not voting on him for that exact reason. In fact, I bet he gets to kill anybody who refers to him in such a way as his special-kill.
That's extremely faulty logic, since we have no evidence that Toony assigned roles to people anything other than randomly. In fact, it would be extremely dangerous to do so in this game, as anything that gives a hint of confirmation is a threat.
That said: JanusTwoFace, why do you have only 1/13 of a vote on you, and if you knew someone else's alignment, how would you use that knowledge?
AAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDDD... Oh wait. That's it. So, that's lurking, null content, bandwagoning, and lazy reasoning.
See what I did there? That was a complete description of your play style, right there, but done in a correct manner. It's not difficult if you're actually playing along. All I did was go back a few pages. If you're going to come into this game, look at one post and make yourself look like a non-functioning member of society, then you're as unhelpful as you claim I am.
So, you can go die, thank you.
I suppose. But how about this: How does your being alive help anyone? You're never around to make an analysis in any game I play with you, and this hinders everyone else. Therefore, lynching you prevents you from lurking, which would avoid both lynches and NKs, no matter what team you're on, and when anyone calls you out on it, your only defense will be that you're unable to be at a computer to defend yourself and that we should wait three weeks for an adequate response.I am unwell. I am not thinking as well as I normally do. I will be well soon. Get your vote off me.Sorry everyone. I've got a virus of some sort and am not up to playing right now, but should be better soon. For the moment, I will just unvote.... So... what?
Ah, hell. Just put me up for replacement. Hopefully though, I'll recover before you get one.
I don't want to do that. Because by then, the town's lost, and we're angry at you. So, unless you can allay that, which you probably won't, I won't unvote you. Also, there are currently no one else scummier than you.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 28, 2009, 10:59:32 am
Woah
What the fuck, webadict?
What the fuck, panda?
Not helpful. I feel for your motives, but there are nicer and more easily readable ways of telling people what idiots they are.
Although I must confess to finding 'Well, no shit, Shercock' quite amusing.
So um Cheeetar. Staged fights don't happen. They are an utter myth. Wise up a little.
But I can't really see any intentional stupidity in there.
Goddamit Archangel. Replace him post haste, Toony. Unvote for now.
Leafsnail! Happily voting for Cheeetar there for being an idiot, I see. You also had no problem with an AN lynch, also for, basically, being an idiot.
Here is an important life tip: A few people are stupid. The rest are really stupid.
So it is quite possible that stupid-looking people really are stupid.
Stupidity should be punished. A vote or two to teach them a lesson is fine. But lynching is over the top.
Or do you really think that those idiots are pretending?
Post by: Leafsnail on October 28, 2009, 11:06:14 am
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Leafsnail! Happily voting for Cheeetar there for being an idiot, I see. You also had no problem with an AN lynch, also for, basically, being an idiot.I'm not voting him for being an idiot. I think he used bussing as a lazy excuse to join a bandwagon, and to avoid attention from those who would cause a fuss. He also hasn't said anything particularly meaningful since.
Here is an important life tip: A few people are stupid. The rest are really stupid.
So it is quite possible that stupid-looking people really are stupid.
Stupidity should be punished. A vote or two to teach them a lesson is fine. But lynching is over the top.
Or do you really think that those idiots are pretending?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 28, 2009, 01:34:25 pm
I'll get the vote tally up in a bit.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 28, 2009, 01:45:11 pm
VOTE COUNT:
dakarian(Toony?) - eduren [1]
Archangel - Webadict [1]
Apostolic Nihilist - Pandarsenic [1]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Webadict - Vector, Cheeetar, Rysith [3]
Pandarsenic - JanusTwoFace [1]
Cheeetar - dakarian, Leafsnail [2]
Leafsnail - NUKE9.13 [1]
Not Voting - Archangel, Apostolic Nihilist [2]
~Day End Today 8 PM EST~
You can ask for an extension at anytime.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 28, 2009, 01:47:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 28, 2009, 01:48:20 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 28, 2009, 04:18:17 pm
Post by: Vector on October 28, 2009, 04:21:58 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 28, 2009, 04:24:43 pm
~Day End Thursday 8 PM EST~
Maybe you'll have a good lynch target by then. I'll extend as much as you want. We need a replacement for Archangel anywho.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 28, 2009, 09:20:55 pm
Post by: dakarian on October 28, 2009, 11:44:33 pm
Post by: Archangel on October 29, 2009, 12:21:40 am
Post by: Archangel on October 29, 2009, 01:09:21 am
Post by: webadict on October 29, 2009, 02:04:58 am
OK. Web, AN and Cheeetar strike me as most suspicious but I need to go back again before I do anything. Right now, I have things to do and am going to something in an hour so I will do that when I get back.Cheeetar, maybe. But, I doubt it.
AN, perhaps? He's being... just... TOO SCUMMY!
I thought about that before I posted, but I didn't really read too deeply into it.He's not lying in this post. Which I had expected of him.
I wouldn't say he's any more likely or less likely to be scum.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was a third-party alignment. Seems like Toony would catch something really obvious like that, and then feel the need to correct it. Instead of making him scum, he gave him a different alignment from both groups.
...or Toony realized a 13th player would just add more WIFOM and didn't bother with anything complex.
I'm questioning him, of all things. This is the RVS stage, right?This post is suspicious.
Asking questions and getting answers never hurts.
If it came down to it, I wouldn't lynch him today and I don't know why you think that I would.
I don't think many people intend to lynch the first person they vote for.
He's probably third-party, right? Then we should probably understand what his motives are! Are they anti-town or what? We don't even know yet and that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Bad. BAD!How so?He's probably third-party, right? Then we should probably understand what his motives are! Are they anti-town or what? We don't even know yet and that's what I'm trying to figure out.So you're rolefishing then.
It would be much more beneficial for scum to know of any third parties than a town.
Scum can come to exactly the same conclusions that I have, probably much more quickly too.
I'll admit to rolefishing, as that's what I'm doing, but whether or not he tells me his role (hint: he won't) it doesn't really matter. If his actions make him look pro-town (as I might've managed to trick him into doing...) he becomes a viable target for scum.
Isn't this good? — he were to be NK'd then the scum have just wasted their kill.
Big switch.Wait, what? Apostolic Nihilist, which is rolefishing and picking out targets for the scum good?Would you rather an innocent town die or a dubiously-aligned third-party?
Rolefishing is certainly bad behaviour when dealing with town. As a third-party however, how much harm can arise from it?
It can only help us. It might help scum, too, but it'll help us more.
Eduren: Survivors still win at the end if it's only mafia left, hence why they can align with scum at Lyloy and get a guaranteed win.
Being Toon Mafia, he could just as well be a Cult Leader sort of role for all we know.
Since he's the last player to join the fray, that makes him much more suspicious; we should try and find out what his objectives are.
Should we waste a lynch on him? No, we shouldn't. But we should try and find out just what he's after!
Likely, he's being too scummy to be scum. My guess? AN is, himself, a yellow, which is why he's being as scummy as he is without being scum. Crazy, huh? Perhaps he's looking for a particular yellow?
Cheeetar? Like I care. He seems more of an idiot than scum. So, yeah.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 29, 2009, 03:42:37 am
That would sort of make sense, the trying to get pressure on twiggie, in the knowledge that he is third party and thus can crack.
Some variation of Lyncher/Lynchee, perhaps?
Mind you
As it stands
Twiggie is totally lurking. Twiggie, come out here. PRESSURE upon thee!
If the day ended right now, I would probably go with an AN lynch. Because, well, looking back at his posts, they are pretty coherent. I am willing to believe that there is an ulterior motive in his twiggie investigations (rather than just stupidity)
Post by: Twiggie on October 29, 2009, 07:17:05 am
That would sort of make sense, the trying to get pressure on twiggie, [...]
Some variation of Lyncher/Lynchee, perhaps?
sorry, i dont understand what you're saying. maybe im being really dense, but can you explain what you mean here?
Post by: Cheeetar on October 29, 2009, 07:21:25 am
Was it the fight alone that made you think 'BUS!' or was there something about it, or about the two involved, that made you suspicious?
Overtly hostile and abrasive towards each other, which dosen't seem like what anybody would do. I have reconsidered this theory upon Webadict being a dick, however.
Post by: dakarian on October 29, 2009, 07:58:05 am
! That's only yellow? That looks plumb ugly. Nihilist
Especially don't like the flex used to make himself look good.
Post by: webadict on October 29, 2009, 08:54:35 am
@WebQuite. He seems lonely, and therefore without a team of people. Townies care a little less about making themselves look good (Just... just look at some of them...) and more about finding scum.
! That's only yellow? That looks plumb ugly. Nihilist
Especially don't like the flex used to make himself look good.
Sure, it's a guess, but I'm fairly certain he's yellow.
Post by: webadict on October 29, 2009, 08:55:35 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 29, 2009, 09:06:07 am
The lyncher is a third party role whose goal is to lynch the lynchee.That would sort of make sense, the trying to get pressure on twiggie, [...]
Some variation of Lyncher/Lynchee, perhaps?
sorry, i dont understand what you're saying. maybe im being really dense, but can you explain what you mean here?
Post by: dakarian on October 29, 2009, 10:26:52 am
To be true, finding a link between people is hard and dangerous work early on. The team could be buddying, distancing, or outright planning to bus themselves. Once one of them is found, the town can better analyze the others and see who was avoiding that person, working with that person, being 'attacked' by that person, ext.
At the individual level, AN looks bad based on what you just dredged up.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2009, 02:12:26 pm
~Day End Friday 8 PM EST~
Archangel appears to be ok so I'll just cross off that replacement post.
Post by: webadict on October 29, 2009, 03:02:35 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 29, 2009, 06:12:16 pm
y helo thar archangel
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 29, 2009, 08:56:47 pm
Anyways, I'm getting kind of frustrated with the lurkers (not just in this game, but in general). If you're not going to post at least a decent amount, please stop joining games... Even the abrasive people are better than people who don't post at all.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 29, 2009, 09:01:50 pm
- Archangel got sick.
- Rysith had a somewhat useful post.
- Vector voted for the extension (single word)
- Archangel got better, said people were suspicious without any real reason and wondered off again.
So until one of them posts something useful, I'll start with unvoting and vote Vector. Show and be useful please.
Post by: Vector on October 29, 2009, 09:31:11 pm
If AN is looking for a particular yellow, as has been posited, then he shouldn't be testing for that with Twiggie. This game is a closed system, remember? We had 12 players, and now we have 13. As such, AN cannot be looking for whatever Twiggie specifically is. He could be looking for a class of yellows, but otherwise he's just rolefishing like mad.
That said, I've seen him do that as town in a handful of other games, so there you go.
If this is too obvious, I apologize (though it's a bit odd that Webadict didn't mention this conclusion, himself). That said, your list fails to contain Twiggie, who is active-lurking all the way down the street. Given that he's playing exactly the same as he played last time (and was scum then), I would like to see him come out and talk some more.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 29, 2009, 09:45:06 pm
Really, Twiggie. Please, just a few questions!
I risked my life to ask those questions, and you didn't even give them a second glance!
Are you pro-town?! Are you a third-party!? What's your favorite colour?!
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 29, 2009, 09:57:16 pm
Therefore unvote and vote Archangel. Come back please. You were going to do something in an hour or so about 20 hours ago. That's a bit extensive.
Post by: webadict on October 29, 2009, 09:59:10 pm
So... honestly, I trawled through this thing and have been following along the entire time, but I'm not quite sure what to say about it. I feel like AN is playing clumsily and making beginner mistakes, but it's not like that's a scumtell or something.No, I didn't mean he was looking for a particular yellow. You're right, that'd make me a moron. No, I was just trying to see if he was looking for an SK as a Survivor or some such thing.
If AN is looking for a particular yellow, as has been posited, then he shouldn't be testing for that with Twiggie. This game is a closed system, remember? We had 12 players, and now we have 13. As such, AN cannot be looking for whatever Twiggie specifically is. He could be looking for a class of yellows, but otherwise he's just rolefishing like mad.
That said, I've seen him do that as town in a handful of other games, so there you go.
If this is too obvious, I apologize (though it's a bit odd that Webadict didn't mention this conclusion, himself). That said, your list fails to contain Twiggie, who is active-lurking all the way down the street. Given that he's playing exactly the same as he played last time (and was scum then), I would like to see him come out and talk some more.
But, this:
Of the three worst lurkers (Archangel, Rysith, and Vector), this is the sum total of their posts since I posted the my useful/useless posts thing (yesterday).I disagree on Vector, since he's generally active and is playing (When was he gone?). But the other two I thoroughly dislike. They're very unhelpful. That's why I refuse to have Archangel in my games.
- Archangel got sick.
- Rysith had a somewhat useful post.
- Vector voted for the extension (single word)
- Archangel got better, said people were suspicious without any real reason and wondered off again.
So until one of them posts something useful, I'll start with unvoting and vote Vector. Show and be useful please.
This is never going to stop, and keeping them alive isn't helpful. And remember how Archangel disappeared and we're waiting for his post?
I suppose. But how about this: How does your being alive help anyone? You're never around to make an analysis in any game I play with you, and this hinders everyone else. Therefore, lynching you prevents you from lurking, which would avoid both lynches and NKs, no matter what team you're on, and when anyone calls you out on it, your only defense will be that you're unable to be at a computer to defend yourself and that we should wait three weeks for an adequate response.I can see the future. Spot. On.
I don't want to do that. Because by then, the town's lost, and we're angry at you. So, unless you can allay that, which you probably won't, I won't unvote you. Also, there are currently no one else scummier than you.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 29, 2009, 10:04:50 pm
And I'll agree, I've never had a good experience with Archangel posting in the 2? games I've played with him. And I'm not thrilled to be agreeing with webadict, so please... prove us all wrong and post something...
Post by: Vector on October 29, 2009, 10:08:16 pm
But, this:Of the three worst lurkers (Archangel, Rysith, and Vector), this is the sum total of their posts since I posted the my useful/useless posts thing (yesterday).I disagree on Vector, since he's generally active and is playing (When was he gone?). But the other two I thoroughly dislike. They're very unhelpful. That's why I refuse to have Archangel in my games.
- Archangel got sick.
- Rysith had a somewhat useful post.
- Vector voted for the extension (single word)
- Archangel got better, said people were suspicious without any real reason and wondered off again.
So until one of them posts something useful, I'll start with unvoting and vote Vector. Show and be useful please.
This is never going to stop, and keeping them alive isn't helpful. And remember how Archangel disappeared and we're waiting for his post?
To be honest, I've been a lot less active than Rysith. He posted twice, and both posts had information (or at least pretended to). I voted Rashilul for bandwagoning and asked for an extension. That's it. I've been mostly ignoring this game for the past 5 RL days or so, except when we needed an extension to keep from shooting ourselves in the foot.
I think we need to worry about Archangel and Twiggie for lurking, and them + Rysith for content, if we can begrudge him anything.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 29, 2009, 10:14:12 pm
To be honest, I've been a lot less active than Rysith. He posted twice, and both posts had information (or at least pretended to). I voted Rashilul for bandwagoning and asked for an extension. That's it. I've been mostly ignoring this game for the past 5 RL days or so, except when we needed an extension to keep from shooting ourselves in the foot.
Rysith had a useful post since my original post naming lurkers. Granted, it was partly regurgitation of what had gone before, but that's not always a bad thing. He's still on my radar for lurking, but less so that Archangel.
Post by: dakarian on October 29, 2009, 11:09:06 pm
If he can honestly prove himself, he's Modkilled. Besides, if he's not scum why care?
So seriously.. claim him scum or explain WHY he's so important that the scum can wait.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 29, 2009, 11:12:30 pm
Nihilist.. why are you still demanding Twiggy's claim?I don't care if he claims or not, I just want him to answer my questions.
If he can honestly prove himself, he's Modkilled. Besides, if he's not scum why care?
So seriously.. claim him scum or explain WHY he's so important that the scum can wait.
He's completely evaded them, and said absolutely nothing of note. As it stands, he's completely useless.
Post by: Vector on October 29, 2009, 11:16:38 pm
Post by: dakarian on October 29, 2009, 11:28:26 pm
Are you declaring him Scummy for that or should be lynch you for acting scummy towards a non-scummy person?
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 29, 2009, 11:43:58 pm
Twiggie: What do you make of the current situation? Who do you think is scum?!
"bwahaha my evil plan of doom worked!
yeah, anyway im not scum.
FoS pandar for massive overreaction and leafsnail for being overly specific. i vote we off him if it turns out he was right."
Pandarsenic was the first to vote Leafsnail for being overly specific, of all things.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on October 29, 2009, 11:47:37 pm
That should've been in a quote. Here:
bwahaha my evil plan of doom worked!
yeah, anyway im not scum.
FoS pandar for massive overreaction and leafsnail for being overly specific. i vote we off him if it turns out he was right.
Post by: Rysith on October 30, 2009, 12:34:28 am
Of the three worst lurkers (Archangel, Rysith, and Vector), this is the sum total of their posts since I posted the my useful/useless posts thing (yesterday).
- Archangel got sick.
- Rysith had a somewhat useful post.
- Vector voted for the extension (single word)
- Archangel got better, said people were suspicious without any real reason and wondered off again.
So until one of them posts something useful, I'll start with unvoting and vote Vector. Show and be useful please.
As I've said in other mafia threads, I've only got two times a day when I'm at a computer that I can post from, and even then I try to only post when I feel like I've got something to contribute. I'd rather actually lurk than active-lurk.
As it stands, I think that AN is being new and Twiggie, while lurking, is lurking in approximately his normal way. Pandarsenic being obscene is new (to me), but I've only been playing Toon for a while, and haven't had time to check if it's normal for him. Webadict being abusive isn't new, but the way that he did it, with the focus on the vote, continues to make me suspicious of him. It doesn't seem like webadict-normal abusive. That he's now lumping me with Archangel as someone he thoroughly dislikes, despite not having played with me in quite a while, seems rather like a non-vote OMGUS.
Now that the day isn't ending soon, and to deal with my possibly tunnel-visioning on webadict, I'm going to unvote and try to look around a bit beyond the four I mentioned to see if anything else sticks out.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 30, 2009, 12:41:46 am
As I've said in other mafia threads, I've only got two times a day when I'm at a computer that I can post from, and even then I try to only post when I feel like I've got something to contribute. I'd rather actually lurk than active-lurk.
I probably phrased that incorrectly. In my more recent post, I was saying that although you had only posted once, at least it had content. It was supposed to be a more positive contrast to Archangel and Vector (at the time). I understand not being able to post often and I don't think it's a huge problem as long as you post something of worth whenever you can come online.
Post by: webadict on October 30, 2009, 02:19:01 am
No. I have a disdain for Archangel. He knows it. As for you, you're usually more active. I'm saying that you're lurking, as much as Archangel is (And apparently Vector... and Twiggie... And... everyone else?).Of the three worst lurkers (Archangel, Rysith, and Vector), this is the sum total of their posts since I posted the my useful/useless posts thing (yesterday).
- Archangel got sick.
- Rysith had a somewhat useful post.
- Vector voted for the extension (single word)
- Archangel got better, said people were suspicious without any real reason and wondered off again.
So until one of them posts something useful, I'll start with unvoting and vote Vector. Show and be useful please.
As I've said in other mafia threads, I've only got two times a day when I'm at a computer that I can post from, and even then I try to only post when I feel like I've got something to contribute. I'd rather actually lurk than active-lurk.
As it stands, I think that AN is being new and Twiggie, while lurking, is lurking in approximately his normal way. Pandarsenic being obscene is new (to me), but I've only been playing Toon for a while, and haven't had time to check if it's normal for him. Webadict being abusive isn't new, but the way that he did it, with the focus on the vote, continues to make me suspicious of him. It doesn't seem like webadict-normal abusive. That he's now lumping me with Archangel as someone he thoroughly dislikes, despite not having played with me in quite a while, seems rather like a non-vote OMGUS.
Now that the day isn't ending soon, and to deal with my possibly tunnel-visioning on webadict, I'm going to unvote and try to look around a bit beyond the four I mentioned to see if anything else sticks out.
Psh... OMGUS... The avoidance of OMGUS's are more showing of scum nowadays, since town will OMGUS if they've found scum. Its negative publicity only matters to scum, and if you had used that as a offense, that might've stood out.
But, you didn't. That would've been a nice attack though. Why is it that I have to start these new ways to attack? Man... I want more straticians here.
Also, screw the lurkers.
Post by: dakarian on October 30, 2009, 11:10:25 am
Spoiler: Wide Scan of SCIENCE! (click to show/hide)
Results:
Cheeetar is bandwagoning, laying low, and very bad at accusations, Rysith is also low lying and VERY quick to dismiss his own arguments (1 post accusation is NOT tunneling), Janus is a MESS with rolefishing, and CopQuestions (asking someone who they would investigate, which helps scum far more than town), those three are my biggest worries.
Janus, You're playing Active Aggressive Town, but your actions say very much otherwise. I believe you are scum.
Post by: JanusTwoface on October 30, 2009, 11:38:29 am
I was trying to figure out the theme of the game. I assumed (incorrect) that since I had a TF themed role then others would as well. When I was talking about roles later, it was about my own role rather than other people's roles.
Cop Questions
I don't really agree with you here. Mostly, I think that it gives an idea of who people think are scummy without actually directly asking them. In this game in particular it can be useful because investigations are rather more deadly than normal.
The rest of mine I'll give you though.
A detailed (if oddly compressed at times) analysis though. Should be useful. Do you keep these going as the game runs or generate them afterwords?
(I don't really need to restate this, but at this point I still think Archangel needs to show up--and be helpful--or get lynched.)
Post by: dakarian on October 30, 2009, 12:23:50 pm
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Also, I'm guessing a MC would be a poor choice? Because anyone that claims and then uses their action would be more or less confirmed == dead, yes?
That's asking "shall we MC" without actually asking if we should MC.
As for the Rolecop issue, asking who is scummy in a roundabout way is NOT townish, it's scummish. It lets you find out how you and your buddies look to the town and react accordingly. Since it's more abstract, meanwhile, it doesn't cause people to start voting and attacking to boot.
Web showed me that one in BM 3. He prodded the town in just that way and found out that everyone wanted Web investigated. Not only did he then know that the cop was gunning for him (which he was) but it gave him that information WITHOUT anyone turning it into a direct attack.
That investigative roles are deadly is even MORE dangerous for town!
I don't keep them going actually, especially since it can be come a victim to tunnel vision or bad assumptions. Instead, I take a moment to pull away from my old ideas then take it all in at once. It's not a full account of ALL posts, but instead an account of notible events, 'eyecatchers', and heavy interactions between players.
Btw, Buddying the accuser: Noted.
And no.. we're NOT lynching a lurker for lurking. That's one step above Randomvoting for usefulness. You prod them, attack them, replace them, hate them, but Lurking is NEVER a lynchworthy act.
Post by: webadict on October 30, 2009, 01:25:08 pm
As for the Rolecop issue, asking who is scummy in a roundabout way is NOT townish, it's scummish. It lets you find out how you and your buddies look to the town and react accordingly. Since it's more abstract, meanwhile, it doesn't cause people to start voting and attacking to boot.To be fair, I already knew I was going to be investigated. Rather, I was looking for the cop that game.
Web showed me that one in BM 3. He prodded the town in just that way and found out that everyone wanted Web investigated. Not only did he then know that the cop was gunning for him (which he was) but it gave him that information WITHOUT anyone turning it into a direct attack.
That investigative roles are deadly is even MORE dangerous for town!
And no.. we're NOT lynching a lurker for lurking. That's one step above Randomvoting for usefulness. You prod them, attack them, replace them, hate them, but Lurking is NEVER a lynchworthy act.True, but some of them just won't be replaced.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2009, 01:57:23 pm
VOTE COUNT:
dakarian(Toony?) - eduren [1]
Archangel - Webadict, Pandarsenic, JanusTwoFace [3]
JanusTwoFace - dakarian [1]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Webadict - Cheeetar [1]
Cheeetar - Leafsnail [1]
Twiggie - NUKE9.13, Vector [2]
Not Voting - Archangel, Apostolic Nihilist, Rysith [3]
Highlighting the lynch candidate just for fun.
~Day Ends Today In 5 Hours~
Post by: dakarian on October 30, 2009, 02:53:57 pm
Thing is, we know lurkers are unknown guesses.
Let's be true: do you truly not have anyone you feel is scummy?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2009, 06:45:47 pm
I won't be here for that so I'll read the time stamps for any sudden votes. Anything after 8 pm est will not count, but you may still speak until I end the day.
Post by: Archangel on October 30, 2009, 07:41:42 pm
I really shouldn't have joined this game because I've got lots of schoolwork to do and only a few weeks, at most, to do it. Once I'm finished, I expect I'll be a better player because I won't have anything more important to think about.
Post by: Rysith on October 30, 2009, 08:35:24 pm
Rysith is also low lying and VERY quick to dismiss his own arguments (1 post accusation is NOT tunneling)
I don't post all of my thoughts, you know. I noticed that I was focusing on "Is Web scum or not?", not "Who is scum?". That's tunneling, in my mind: I wasn't paying attention to all of the potential scum around.
Web: I didn't attack with that because I didn't want to attack with it. What I really didn't want things to turn into was a mass "Is Webadict scum?" focus, because every time I've seen those happen it's been bad for the town. We got close enough with you and Pandar the last time, and I didn't want to provoke it again. Day two, when we've got some more information to go on, sure. But day one seems much better as a day to keep things open, so that there is some public basis to focus on later. I'll call you out on it then if it still seems relevant.
Post by: webadict on October 30, 2009, 09:03:40 pm
Cool. I'm just saying it's a good way to call people out.Rysith is also low lying and VERY quick to dismiss his own arguments (1 post accusation is NOT tunneling)
I don't post all of my thoughts, you know. I noticed that I was focusing on "Is Web scum or not?", not "Who is scum?". That's tunneling, in my mind: I wasn't paying attention to all of the potential scum around.
Web: I didn't attack with that because I didn't want to attack with it. What I really didn't want things to turn into was a mass "Is Webadict scum?" focus, because every time I've seen those happen it's been bad for the town. We got close enough with you and Pandar the last time, and I didn't want to provoke it again. Day two, when we've got some more information to go on, sure. But day one seems much better as a day to keep things open, so that there is some public basis to focus on later. I'll call you out on it then if it still seems relevant.
Post by: webadict on October 30, 2009, 09:12:01 pm
@webNo, I think people are scummy, certainly. But, to the point of them being scum, no. I'll give you a list, if you feel like it:
Thing is, we know lurkers are unknown guesses.
Let's be true: do you truly not have anyone you feel is scummy?
NUKE9.13, eduren, Rysith and Twiggie are hiding in plain sight.
Cheeetar will continue to vote me for no reason.
Other than that? Not a whole lot. These mental notes are nothing until I've seen more, and with Archangel, I'll never be able read him.
Also, Janus is likely town. You're probably town too. Everyone else is meh.
This vote won't matter and comes entirely from our now mutual dislike, but Webadict. I'm a sane cop by the way.Ah. So, you've taken my OMGUS advice then? If you're going to vote to save yourself, you're better off voting Twiggie. You're tie the lynch at least and give yourself a day. Also, your cop claim isn't really that helpful, since you'd only be able to modkill people, which is likely the power scum has.
I really shouldn't have joined this game because I've got lots of schoolwork to do and only a few weeks, at most, to do it. Once I'm finished, I expect I'll be a better player because I won't have anything more important to think about.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 30, 2009, 09:32:42 pm
Post by: dakarian on October 30, 2009, 09:51:19 pm
*sigh* understood.
I HATE lynching lurkers just for lurking, but I guess it beats a nolynch.
Post by: Archangel on October 30, 2009, 10:12:59 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 30, 2009, 10:19:26 pm
Post by: webadict on October 30, 2009, 10:50:33 pm
I did what I did because it was an hour after Toony had said the day would end in 15 minutes. The other bit of my post is why I'm not trying to save myself, why I resisted the temptation to sign up for Paranormal and why I'm not going to join any mafias for at least a couple of weeks....I never said anything against you. I only said you were unhelpful.
Post by: Archangel on October 30, 2009, 11:49:54 pm
I got the impression you didn't like me. Ah well, I still don't like you.I did what I did because it was an hour after Toony had said the day would end in 15 minutes. The other bit of my post is why I'm not trying to save myself, why I resisted the temptation to sign up for Paranormal and why I'm not going to join any mafias for at least a couple of weeks....I never said anything against you. I only said you were unhelpful.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2009, 10:32:36 am
"WEBADICT IS SCUM."
"Nah ah, you're scum!"
And he was lynched.
Send in your actions pleasez.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2009, 10:04:42 am
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2009, 10:40:37 am
~DAY 2~
Post by: dakarian on November 01, 2009, 10:43:15 am
Bastard game is Bastardlly
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 01, 2009, 11:26:41 am
Hmm.
*sips tea*
Stabbed in the back, you say?
In the manner of, say, a TF spy?
Janus?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2009, 11:30:36 am
Post by: dakarian on November 01, 2009, 11:38:38 am
Hey Janus.
Third vote on a lurker lynch: Noted and marked a true scumtell
Post by: Twiggie on November 01, 2009, 12:42:49 pm
Post by: webadict on November 01, 2009, 12:50:32 pm
vote webadict before i go. pandar was very abrasive, similarly to webadict. im guessing theres a pattern there, as it seems to me at least that that was out of the ordinary for pandar.Huh? That's a pretty terrible conclusion, or do you not think?
I actually quoted the wrong person there. I meant Rysith.I got the impression you didn't like me. Ah well, I still don't like you.I did what I did because it was an hour after Toony had said the day would end in 15 minutes. The other bit of my post is why I'm not trying to save myself, why I resisted the temptation to sign up for Paranormal and why I'm not going to join any mafias for at least a couple of weeks....I never said anything against you. I only said you were unhelpful.
dakarian, what do you know about this game?
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 01, 2009, 01:07:06 pm
No roleflops?This. My role allows me to sneak up to someone and stab them if they are scum once per game. So now I'm just a regular townie/third person. Why I choose Pandarsenic? From what I said earlier, I thought that Pandarsenic and webadict were being rather annoyingly abrasic, so I targetted Pandarsenic. Turns out I was right.
Hmm.
*sips tea*
Stabbed in the back, you say?
In the manner of, say, a TF spy?
Janus?
Alright, let's get the simple stuff out of the way.You seem rather focused on me. Focusing isn't terribly helpful. Also, I would much rather get rid of a lurker or two in hopes that in future games they either contribute or don't show up. Plus it worked before to actually find scum.
Hey Janus.
Third vote on a lurker lynch: Noted and marked a true scumtell
vote webadict before i go. pandar was very abrasive, similarly to webadict. im guessing theres a pattern there, as it seems to me at least that that was out of the ordinary for pandar.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 01, 2009, 01:13:53 pm
vote webadict before i go. pandar was very abrasive, similarly to webadict. im guessing theres a pattern there, as it seems to me at least that that was out of the ordinary for pandar.This is rather hard to parse. I'm not too hard what to think about this yet, but I have a feeling that webadict may not in fact be scum. It seems unlikely that if both Pandarsenic and webadict were on the same team they would agree to display the same characteristics.
Of course, I could be completely off on this as well.
Post by: Rysith on November 01, 2009, 02:37:56 pm
Either someone DOES have a killing role and isn't mafia or
Bastard game is Bastardlly
It's Toon Mafia. No bastardization going on at all.
I'm also going to agree with Web and Janus that it seems unlikely that Pandarsenic and Webadict were both scum, they would deliberately stage an abrasive fight like that.
Dakarian: Does your opinion of Janus change, now that he's claimed responsibility for the kill? Do you feel like contributing to discussion, rather than pushing for lynches on flimsy evidence from night one?
Twiggie: Same for you: Do you have anything productive to add, other than voting on flimsy evidence?
Post by: Cheeetar on November 01, 2009, 03:55:41 pm
Post by: Eduren on November 01, 2009, 04:02:59 pm
I love how everybody is using the word abrasive now. Anyway: It's perfectly possible that Webadict is still scum, and we shouldn't immediately discount it. It's unlikely for there to be a staged scum fight, but not impossible. However, as it is unlikely, I shall vote Shad0wdump to get him to post.Hey, you dropped some Red.
Question for those that have been here longer than I have: What could Pandar's role do?
Post by: Cheeetar on November 01, 2009, 04:06:14 pm
Post by: webadict on November 01, 2009, 04:20:26 pm
I love how everybody is using the word abrasive now. Anyway: It's perfectly possible that Webadict is still scum, and we shouldn't immediately discount it. It's unlikely for there to be a staged scum fight, but not impossible. However, as it is unlikely, I shall vote Shad0wdump to get him to post.Hey, RVS was yesterday. If you want to prod him, blue's a good color.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 01, 2009, 04:22:39 pm
Post by: webadict on November 01, 2009, 04:27:12 pm
Goddamnit, I forgot to even colour his name. Shad0wdump, sorry Toony. Also, what? If he's active lurking, what difference will a FoS do? And if he continues to lurk, what can I say? He didn't respond to my FoS about him not responding?An FoS can switch to a vote with a simple change of colors.
If he's active lurking and doesn't acknowledge your FoS then he's definitely vote-worthy. Which is why you can FoS.
Post by: Eduren on November 01, 2009, 04:31:11 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 01, 2009, 04:43:47 pm
Why Janus? To apply pressure and make sure I'm not wasting time. A player that's not analyzing the the game or attacking someone is not helping the town. 3nd vote makes for a decent reason to start some pressure.
Does Janus claiming the kill make a difference? It makes a BIG difference. With this not being Bastardly, it means it was a mafia kill. With Janus claiming the kill it makes him look VERY good at the moment.
Now, why was I bothered about it being a possible Bastard? Web scouted me out: I do know something.
Unvote
I'm a sane Cop, and I found Webadict as Guilty as anyone could EVER be.
Post by: Eduren on November 01, 2009, 05:00:22 pm
We are all sane cops aren't we?
I am. And I got a mafia result on Janus.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2009, 05:26:56 pm
Post by: Rysith on November 01, 2009, 05:34:22 pm
Goddamit Toony.
We are all sane cops aren't we?
I am. And I got a mafia result on Janus.
We're not all sane cops, since Janus claimed something other than sane cop and an ability that a sane cop wouldn't have had. I'm not a sane cop either. I also suspect the existence of at least one roleblocker or NK-immune townie, to account for the lack of townie-death last night, though we seem not to have the public investigation kills that we had feared.
Dakarian, if you knew webadict was mafia from your investigation last night, why did you try to push a vote on Janus first? Why are you so quick to claim sane cop to now push a vote on Webadict? Attacking is all well and good, but attacking inconsistently or for poor reasons is scummy. You don't even have the excuse that Eduren has.
Post by: Eduren on November 01, 2009, 05:48:46 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 01, 2009, 06:11:52 pm
Either someone DOES have a killing role and isn't mafia or
Bastard game is Bastardlly
Bolded = reason to delay the claim
I was told I was a sane cop, and was told that Web was scummy. However, I wanted some idea about what was going on with the mafia death beforehand.
Btw, it was ONE vote, first vote, that was applying pressure.
And now we get to what "I" am really bothered about.
Sane cop is, in essense, a vig according to the rules.
We now have 3 claimed sane cops: one that flipped cop, two claiming to have found mafia. One of the claims is towards the one that vigged a dead mafia.
Either we have a lot of cops and just outted 3 mafia or not everything is being told to us accurately.
Well, the 100% confirmed rule will help with this. If my claim is alone in proving myself then Toony's next visit will result in a modkill. If the doubt over whether I am real or not is the problem, then my death and roleflip will 100% confirm my findings.
In honest, truth, if I die and web doesn't, we'll KNOW it's a Bastard Mod.
Sounds like I know what I need to do. Dakarian
Either Toony will come with the modkill early on, my death will kill scum or my death will prove that this game is a Bastard Game, and the town SO SO needs to know if this game is Bastardly.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2009, 06:17:31 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 01, 2009, 06:34:35 pm
Either way, I shall cause a break!
If I'm lynched as a confirmed sane cop, web dies with me. Otherwise, we know the system has a Bastardly bent.
How does that sound?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2009, 06:35:57 pm
Post by: Vector on November 01, 2009, 06:40:15 pm
The power roles are (I'm guessing?) from Team Fortress, with Pandarsenic's role requiring him to be ridiculously profane or something.
I'm not sure why we don't have a scum kill, though. Maybe Webadict was targeted by Pandarsenic's prolific swearing, but Pandarsenic's death lead to no NK... or maybe the actual cops are the scum.
Who knows. Just thought I'd throw that mess out there and see where it lands. I need to go over things a bit more and think over my vote, though, so I'll be back with that in a while.
We have too freakin' many cops, and too freakin' many scum. I don't want to lynch Dakarian. I'm almost certain we've got a bastard mod on our hands, and it's time to break it.
Post by: dakarian on November 01, 2009, 06:55:15 pm
NOTE: Roles have hidden words/abilities maybe sometimes always.
Nice. So it is Bastardly. A light version though with hidden details. The rules probably still work properly.
Unvote
@Vector
Seems like cops are townies. Best to assume that sanity is 'unknown'.
As for the no nightkill: mafia doesn't have a normal Mafiakill, according to the rules.
So for now, the inspections aren't proven of anything. Keep doing them and try to confirm what you are. For now, we'll need to go back to the good old scumhunt.
As far as the death flips.. so far they sound accurate. That means I have nothing to use against Janus for now.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2009, 06:56:07 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 01, 2009, 08:55:34 pm
Does Janus claiming the kill make a difference? It makes a BIG difference. With this not being Bastardly, it means it was a mafia kill. With Janus claiming the kill it makes him look VERY good at the moment.The mafia doesn't have a nightkill (or at least a normal one).
We are all sane cops aren't we?I'm not a sane cop as has been stated. Also, if you got a mafia result on me, you are either lying or not a sane copy. Because I am not mafia.
I am. And I got a mafia result on Janus.
Dakarian, if you knew webadict was mafia from your investigation last night, why did you try to push a vote on Janus first? Why are you so quick to claim sane cop to now push a vote on Webadict? Attacking is all well and good, but attacking inconsistently or for poor reasons is scummy. You don't even have the excuse that Eduren has.This bugs me as well.
Toon Maifa =/= Bastard Mod so far as I can tell. I'm not sure exactly what you define to be a Bastard Mod, but the only thing I can see under the MafiaScum definition (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bastard_Mod) that applies would be lying to the players and I haven't seen anything yet that cannot be explained within the known rules (with the exception of cop sanity).Bastard game is BastardllyBolded = reason to delay the claim
Sane cop is, in essense, a vig according to the rules.Sane cop does not mean a vig. I can go out and say "I'm a sane cop and dakarian is scum." But it wouldn't matter one bit because you cannot tell if I'm telling the truth. The only way you could confirm it is if you kill me and it turns out that I was actually a cop (and not crazy). It's closer to a vig that will only kill scum but has to die to do so.
We now have 3 claimed sane cops: one that flipped cop, two claiming to have found mafia. One of the claims is towards the one that vigged a dead mafia.
My guess is that sane cop == townie, with a "get scum results on everyone" twist--except probably when we inspect ourselves, we show up as town.I think that you may be correct (at least in part) that the cops are vanilla players (of either variety). So far as whether or not the Sane Cops are actually sane, insane, or wrong is still up for debate.
Post by: dakarian on November 01, 2009, 09:12:24 pm
A role that's named "Sane cop" that is NOT sane is technically Bastardly. In order for me to read my role correctly, I have to distrust the Mod's message.
I called it 'light bastardly' because it's just a matter that the roles have hidden quirks to them. In truth, Toony coming out and saying what he said now is enough to..well.. 'debastardize' the game.
Considering how important it is to know just what we can and can't trust, I'm glad it came out the way it did.
Now dear Rysith are you done trying to damn me for scumhunting and cutting down anyone that attempts to actually FIND scum or will you only be content when the town goes completely silent?
Post by: Eduren on November 01, 2009, 11:19:05 pm
That's funny because my Role PM equated being a Cop with being a Vig.Sane cop is, in essense, a vig according to the rules.Sane cop does not mean a vig. I can go out and say "I'm a sane cop and dakarian is scum." But it wouldn't matter one bit because you cannot tell if I'm telling the truth. The only way you could confirm it is if you kill me and it turns out that I was actually a cop (and not crazy). It's closer to a vig that will only kill scum but has to die to do so.
We now have 3 claimed sane cops: one that flipped cop, two claiming to have found mafia. One of the claims is towards the one that vigged a dead mafia.
Post by: Vector on November 01, 2009, 11:26:56 pm
That's funny because my Role PM equated being a Cop with being a Vig.Sane cop is, in essense, a vig according to the rules.Sane cop does not mean a vig. I can go out and say "I'm a sane cop and dakarian is scum." But it wouldn't matter one bit because you cannot tell if I'm telling the truth. The only way you could confirm it is if you kill me and it turns out that I was actually a cop (and not crazy). It's closer to a vig that will only kill scum but has to die to do so.
We now have 3 claimed sane cops: one that flipped cop, two claiming to have found mafia. One of the claims is towards the one that vigged a dead mafia.
My guess:
Attain results.
Post results on page.
Get lynched.
Results -> modkill, whether we're correct or not.
Essentially, we have time-lapse vigs, as far as I can tell. This makes me think that we'll have time-lapse scum, as well.
Post by: dakarian on November 01, 2009, 11:39:29 pm
Thus, to turn a cop into a vig, they would have to have a sane or an insane (reverse alignment: town -> scum and reverse) investigation AND ensure the person isn't a miller/godfather.
Whether we'll have use for it to lynch with is in the air, but modkilling with it might be impossible without a good bit of additional tools.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 01, 2009, 11:47:39 pm
Post by: Vector on November 01, 2009, 11:50:18 pm
Suddenly, I vaguely wonder if there is a sanity cop... but if there is, don't say anything. Just start investigating the people who have been claiming sane cop.
It would make sense, so I'm just throwing that out there.
Otherwise, I'd suggest self-investigations for our cop infestation, to see if you get town on yourselves or not. During the day, however, it might be better to pay a bit more attention to old-fashioned scumhunting, rather than breaking ye olde Bastarde Modde. Too much town distraction can be absolutely fatal.
As I said, I don't think we should rely on "Sane Cop" results at all until we figure out the mechanic. If someone comes up and says they're an insane cop, I'd be more likely to trust them... but as it is, careful sanity checkery for everyone and let's start working on our daily lynch.
Post by: Rysith on November 02, 2009, 01:58:54 am
Now dear Rysith are you done trying to damn me for scumhunting and cutting down anyone that attempts to actually FIND scum or will you only be content when the town goes completely silent?
Dakarian, must I really add OMGUSing to your list of offenses? I'm hardly damning you for scumhunting, I'm damning you for voting on the flimsiest of premises, in ways that are at the very least unhelpful to the town and at worst an attempt to probe for potential bandwagons. You still haven't answered why you felt that a vote on Janus would do anything, particularly in light of claiming to have investigated Webadict and gotten scum last night. Bastardly is all well and good, but the information that it wasn't bastardly didn't arrive until after you'd switched to Webadict.
And now, you vote me for asking you questions, claiming that I'm trying to damn you for scumhunting. I'm damning you for what can only be described as rapid vote-switching with very little logic or evidence behind that. I can only think of scummy reasons to do that.
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 07:27:09 am
I place the first vote on a person to pressure vote, based on a scumtell that HAS actually caught scum before, and to start a discussion on a person and you say that's anti-town.
Probe for potential bandwagons?! Are you serious? I never knew Janus was marked as an easy lynch.
I aimed for Janus after I investigated Web because I DID want to see if it was Bastardly first. Btw, you're information isn't correct: the claims it wasn't bastardly came BEFORE I told what I had. Meanwhile, me telling about what I had proved that my fear was correct: it IS Bastardly (and non-sane "sane cop" isn't exactly honest now).
You didn't just ask questions: you're marking me scum and voting off of poor logic and incorrect information and basing that your reason to accuse is...poor logic.
Now come up with some new material before you start tunneling. I'll put my money where my mouth is and pull an analysis on you to see if you're just a Bloodthirsty townie or an Overeager scum.
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 08:21:14 am
You were pretty much absent for much of day 1. When you do show up, you make one post on Web for a 'useful/useless post ratio'. After that you quickly pull off for 'tunneling'. Nothing after that.
You ARE hyperactive. You were also on my 'disliked' list for it.
Post ratios.. bandwagon hunting.. meh, you're starting to smell Bloodthirsty.
Meanwhile: Pandar flung a third vote on Nihilist during the AN bandwagon. Funny since in BM2 he commented that scum you specifically avoid that scumtell.
Meanwhile: Cheeetar voted in lock step with Pandarsenic. Pandar's 3rd vote on Nihilist was followed by Cheeetar's 4th vote. Pandar's 1st vote on Archangel was followed by Cheeetar's 1st vote. Also, Cheeetar screamed BUS when Pandar/Web were fighting and Cheeetar voted on Web rather than Pandar.
Rysith, you need to put a lot more content than you did yesterday. Cheeetar, we have a scum death and a whole mass of D1 to read over. Why are you still lurker hunting? Also:
I'm going to wait until Shad0wdump posts until I vote Webadict. I have a feeling that Webadict will flip town, and dakarian will be an insane cop or something.
It sounds like you missed the part of the conversation where many of us agreed that the investigation isn't sanity proven. Also, if you feel that Webadict will flip town and that the investigation isn't sane...why are you planning to vote for him.. and why wait for Shadow when it was already shown you can just FOS him and go back to him later?
OH, and while you're at it, why is it that when you claimed the Web/Pandar argument was a Bus you only attacked Webadict? If it's a Bus wouldn't that make Pandar scum too? Once you stopped feeling that Web was bussing then wouldn't that then be a Town attacking a Scum? Why all the aggression on Web but nothing for Pandar on a Double Scum claim like that?
Post by: Cheeetar on November 02, 2009, 09:16:53 am
I'm still lurker hunting because Shad0wdump still isn't posting. It's become more and more suspicious as Shad0wdump dosen't post.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 02, 2009, 09:26:17 am
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 09:34:31 am
When you cried out Bus, you focused ONLY on web and didn't even mention pandar. When the idea that the Bus might not be true took hold then you left Web alone and STILL didn't look at Pandar.
If you thought Pandar was suspicious why didn't your web vote turn into a Pandar vote later on?
Post by: Cheeetar on November 02, 2009, 09:37:06 am
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 09:54:52 am
Also
Mod: Mind Prodding Shadow?
There, the mod is dealing with the lurker issue. You can pull your vote from him until we confirm that he didn't actually skip out of the game and attack someone else now.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 02, 2009, 09:57:48 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 02, 2009, 02:41:47 pm
Sane Cop
sane Cop
sane cops
"sane" copFour sane cops and one direct contradiction.
So um.
What.
Either A)All sane cops get random results (IE useless)
or B)There is a pattern to the madness but without accurate roleflops we have no way of finding it out (also useless)
So um
Useless.
Bull. Shit.Stabbed in the back, you say?This. My role allows me to sneak up to someone and stab them if they are scum once per game. So now I'm just a regular townie/third person.
In the manner of, say, a TF spy?
Janus?
Tell us what your role actually is, lying scumbag.
A role which can only kill mafia is ridiculously overpowered. There is no way anyone would add it to any variant ever unless said variant was pure bastard.
Unless I have misunderstood you. If I understand correctly, you role is:
Quote
Each night you can go up to someone
If they are scum, you kill them.
If not, you do nothing.
You can only kill once
Other stuff: Interesting, but not very.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 02, 2009, 02:47:57 pm
This. Your read was very close, but I can only use the entire ability once. This the last part of my message saying I'm just a regular townie/third party now.QuoteEachOne night you can go up to someone
If they are scum, you kill them.
If not, you do nothing.
You can only kill once
IIRC (busy multitasking or I'd look it up), two people "investigated" me, one got scum and the other got town. I'm not scum, so that person is either lying or mistaken. The other is more correct (I'm not scum), but not necessarily completely correct (I could be third party).
A little bit of meta information here:
By original role didn't clarify what would happen if there was a third party. Toony later clarified that it would be the same result as if they were town (investigation). This makes me think that Twiggie and/or me are the only viable third parties from others looking at it from my point of view (I know what my alignment is).
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 02:51:37 pm
Janus killed a mafia.
Why would scum kill a mafia?
Unless you're the one claiming to the kill.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 02, 2009, 03:06:57 pm
VOTE COUNT:
dakarian - webadict, Rysith [2]
webadict - Twiggie [1]
Cheeetar - dakarian [1]
Not Voting - Everyone else. :-D
I'll send a prod to SHAD0Wdump.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 02, 2009, 03:12:48 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 02, 2009, 03:13:09 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 02, 2009, 03:31:40 pm
I didn't sign up for this gaaame!!! XD
Thanks for clearing that up for Cheeetar.
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 03:36:21 pm
Cheeetar, is everyone looking so town to you that you have to pull from outside for scum?
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 02, 2009, 04:00:46 pm
However, we have someone who flipped sane cop, as town, as well as several additional claims.
Furthermore, I'm town, and I have a role. I can confirm that I'm not a cop, though.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 02, 2009, 04:02:07 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 02, 2009, 05:13:25 pm
Nuke.. there's a BIG problem with your accusation:
Janus killed a mafia.
Why would scum kill a mafia?
Unless you're the one claiming to the kill.
Nuke... what are you trying to accuse him of? Lying about his role and yet still killing a mafia member? Seems very odd. His role doesn't seem too overpowered - sure, he can't mishit, but he can only shoot once. Also, Toony mafia doesn't have inaccurate roleflips - it just roleflips name and alignment, like what always happens in TM.Oh, I don't know, he could be a, hmm, third party role? Heard of them?
There is much precedent: I, in some long-forgotten mafia of ages past, had a role that could only kill killing roles. I had to kill them all, whereupon I would win and everyone else.. wouldn't.
I randomly killed a mafia member.
I claimed the kill, citing my role as a role that could only kill mafia roles. Which is a stupid role.
But the town bought it all, because I killed mafia.
More precedent: Paranormal 9: I (the exterminator) killed a mafia member by accident.
When bloodbeard (the operative) claimed vigilante, people were more ready to believe him because 'he' killed mafia.
Claiming vigilante after killing a mafia member is the easiest claim for a SK, ever.
However, I concede that if it is a one-shot thing, then it makes sense.
Doesn't fit with the TF spah though.
More like a pyro. But pyros don't stab people.
Also, Cheeetar, what.
Explain your confusion.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 02, 2009, 05:20:53 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on November 02, 2009, 05:41:16 pm
I believe Janus about his role. A one-shot killing role which only kills scum isn't that unfair if you can waste the shot on a townie.
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 06:36:13 pm
Nuke.. there's a BIG problem with your accusation:
Janus killed a mafia.
Why would scum kill a mafia?
Unless you're the one claiming to the kill.Nuke... what are you trying to accuse him of? Lying about his role and yet still killing a mafia member? Seems very odd. His role doesn't seem too overpowered - sure, he can't mishit, but he can only shoot once. Also, Toony mafia doesn't have inaccurate roleflips - it just roleflips name and alignment, like what always happens in TM.Oh, I don't know, he could be a, hmm, third party role? Heard of them?
There is much precedent: I, in some long-forgotten mafia of ages past, had a role that could only kill killing roles. I had to kill them all, whereupon I would win and everyone else.. wouldn't.
I randomly killed a mafia member.
I claimed the kill, citing my role as a role that could only kill mafia roles. Which is a stupid role.
But the town bought it all, because I killed mafia.
More precedent: Paranormal 9: I (the exterminator) killed a mafia member by accident.
When bloodbeard (the operative) claimed vigilante, people were more ready to believe him because 'he' killed mafia.
Claiming vigilante after killing a mafia member is the easiest claim for a SK, ever.
However, I concede that if it is a one-shot thing, then it makes sense.
Doesn't fit with the TF spah though.
More like a pyro. But pyros don't stab people.
Also, Cheeetar, what.
Explain your confusion.
He might be a third party we'll have to eliminate. However, we know, at least, that he's "probably" not one of the mafia. For now we'll have to work with what we got. He's not confirmed, but if he's dangerous we'll need more information than what we have now.
For now..
@Cheeetar
So I was right, everyone DOES look town to you?
Post by: webadict on November 02, 2009, 09:06:35 pm
OMGUS = Old, broken tell. It hasn't caught scum in ages and scum around here are very likely to attack a town with poor excuses.Yes. Your first sentence... I've seen it somewhere... OH WAIT! Now I remember:
I place the first vote on a person to pressure vote, based on a scumtell that HAS actually caught scum before, and to start a discussion on a person and you say that's anti-town.
Probe for potential bandwagons?! Are you serious? I never knew Janus was marked as an easy lynch.
I aimed for Janus after I investigated Web because I DID want to see if it was Bastardly first. Btw, you're information isn't correct: the claims it wasn't bastardly came BEFORE I told what I had. Meanwhile, me telling about what I had proved that my fear was correct: it IS Bastardly (and non-sane "sane cop" isn't exactly honest now).
You didn't just ask questions: you're marking me scum and voting off of poor logic and incorrect information and basing that your reason to accuse is...poor logic.
Now come up with some new material before you start tunneling. I'll put my money where my mouth is and pull an analysis on you to see if you're just a Bloodthirsty townie or an Overeager scum.
Psh... OMGUS... The avoidance of OMGUS's are more showing of scum nowadays, since town will OMGUS if they've found scum. Its negative publicity only matters to scum, and if you had used that as a offense, that might've stood out.
Which leads me to my second point...
Now, why was I bothered about it being a possible Bastard? Web scouted me out: I do know something.Yes, once I had pointed you out, I became a target, did I not?
Unvote
I'm a sane Cop, and I found Webadict as Guilty as anyone could EVER be.
And I'd figured that Archangel's death was going to be an obvious for you. You'd figured that one Sane Cop would have been obviously Sane, but if you have a similar role, that it is the equivalent of a powerless townie in TM. Okay, well, maybe not powerless, but probably a townie.
Now, I'll Unvote.
Nuke... what are you trying to accuse him of? Lying about his role and yet still killing a mafia member? Seems very odd. His role doesn't seem too overpowered - sure, he can't mishit, but he can only shoot once. Also, Toony mafia doesn't have inaccurate roleflips - it just roleflips name and alignment, like what always happens in TM.No, you dunce. He's saying that you're taking his word based solely on a dead mafia member. I remember an IRC game where AFD pulled a similar stunt.
So, don't simply assume it's so.
Anyhow, I'll be right back.
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 09:26:56 pm
I was thinking of your quote actually when I wrote it. It's true, though: I haven't seen an OMGUS actually catch scum yet. Closest I've seen is in BM2 when Pandar(scum) was randomvoted and Diakron(scum) voted back to attack.
As for the cop matter.. I wasn't thinking townie (vector IIRC brought that up, and it makes sense now). I WAS thinking Dephy though and, honestly, I'm still pondering if the cops all have various sanities.
It wasn't so much the Arch death that made me target you: I did believe you when you said you had no other targets. You were inspected because, frankly, you're Webadict who's reputation has ended up with a game dedicated to trying to actually kill you off. So I investigated, was told you were "obviously mafia", saw the mafia die N2, then my gut screamed "something is #&(*%$# wrong here".
I'm glad I told, in the end. It ended up confirming just how the game is being run, gave us a small puzzle to solve that won't take up too much time from the town, and all with plenty of time in the day to go scumhunting.
As for believing Janus: I learned the bay 12 lesson of 'role proof =! alignment proof'. I also know, though, that Josh needed 3 full days to fully ripen his scuminess and that going after him before then would've been just WIFOM. Janus was my prime target in D1. That he is claiming a kill no one else will claim means all that is softened, but we'll see more as the days go by. I won't drink the Wine when I have a stronger choice in my sights.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 02, 2009, 09:34:09 pm
Spoiler: Posthumous Rage (click to show/hide)
Post by: webadict on November 02, 2009, 10:12:06 pm
@WebI've been thinking and I'm pretty sure that the name of the role itself is Sane Cop, and in no way affects its alignment. But, your role PM leads me to believe you're Paranoid, as opposed to Insane, and that these PMs might give an idea for what sanity you are.
I was thinking of your quote actually when I wrote it. It's true, though: I haven't seen an OMGUS actually catch scum yet. Closest I've seen is in BM2 when Pandar(scum) was randomvoted and Diakron(scum) voted back to attack.
As for the cop matter.. I wasn't thinking townie (vector IIRC brought that up, and it makes sense now). I WAS thinking Dephy though and, honestly, I'm still pondering if the cops all have various sanities.
It wasn't so much the Arch death that made me target you: I did believe you when you said you had no other targets. You were inspected because, frankly, you're Webadict who's reputation has ended up with a game dedicated to trying to actually kill you off. So I investigated, was told you were "obviously mafia", saw the mafia die N2, then my gut screamed "something is #&(*%$# wrong here".
I'm glad I told, in the end. It ended up confirming just how the game is being run, gave us a small puzzle to solve that won't take up too much time from the town, and all with plenty of time in the day to go scumhunting.
As for believing Janus: I learned the bay 12 lesson of 'role proof =! alignment proof'. I also know, though, that Josh needed 3 full days to fully ripen his scuminess and that going after him before then would've been just WIFOM. Janus was my prime target in D1. That he is claiming a kill no one else will claim means all that is softened, but we'll see more as the days go by. I won't drink the Wine when I have a stronger choice in my sights.
Post by: dakarian on November 02, 2009, 10:32:36 pm
That's just crazy enough to work!
Sane cops.. don't say anything, but just take note of the PM itself. How did it sound to you? Remember, there's sane, insane (reverse alignment), naive, paranoid, and random. For now, when it comes to your investigations, just focus on trying to figure out what you are. If we can find a sane or insane cop among us, we might have something truly useful.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 02, 2009, 11:05:25 pm
I will credit everyone with a minorly greater amount of density than normal. Most of my earlier townie/third party posts have been for one simple reason:
EFFECT FOR THIS GAME:
If at anytime someone becomes "confirmed", they will be mod-killed instantly.
Except at the end of the game, of course. That wouldn't be fair.
I'm avoiding getting too close to this rule. I think I'm safe because although it's unlikely that scum would kill other scum, it's still possible, so just my actions are not enough to actually confirm. For the record, ToonyMan, that's a very strange and open to interpretation rule.
Second, the lack of a mafia kill somewhat unnerves me. I know that the mafia do not have a communal ability to kill people, but I'm doubting that Toony only gave them the ability to try to manipulate the vote into killing off the town. Now I'm curious if there was no kill because they don't have the ability or because it was blocked...
Disclaimer: If there is a role blocker out there, I don't need to know about it. I am not role fishing, merely thinking out loud.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 02, 2009, 11:09:22 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 02, 2009, 11:11:35 pm
Confirmed as in 100% alignment confirmed.
Too be honest this might not even happen this game, but it's something to watch out for.
Post by: Eduren on November 03, 2009, 01:26:49 am
I've got an idea. This may be incredibly stupid, so point out if it is. We could lynch Dakarian, revealing his roles true abilities. If he is a scum lieing about Webadict being scum, a scum is lynched. If he is a true rolecop with no madness, we then lynch Webadict afterwards and get scum. My idea fails somewhat if he turns out to be a paranoid/naive cop.I'm pretty sure that his flip wouldn't determine Webs guilt/innocence. I mean, if he's not told his hidden condition then we won't be when he dies either.
Yes, I agree, the intricacies of the Cop roles can probably be found in our PM wording (Seeing as mine is very strange).
Post by: Rysith on November 03, 2009, 01:31:14 am
I've got an idea. This may be incredibly stupid, so point out if it is. We could lynch Dakarian, revealing his roles true abilities. If he is a scum lieing about Webadict being scum, a scum is lynched. If he is a true rolecop with no madness, we then lynch Webadict afterwards and get scum. My idea fails somewhat if he turns out to be a paranoid/naive cop.
Since his role is "Sane Cop" and we expect that that has little to do with his actual sanity, that's not going to help at all. We only get role name flops, not role description flops.
OMGUS = Old, broken tell. It hasn't caught scum in ages and scum around here are very likely to attack a town with poor excuses.
I place the first vote on a person to pressure vote, based on a scumtell that HAS actually caught scum before, and to start a discussion on a person and you say that's anti-town.
Probe for potential bandwagons?! Are you serious? I never knew Janus was marked as an easy lynch.
You didn't just ask questions: you're marking me scum and voting off of poor logic and incorrect information and basing that your reason to accuse is...poor logic.
Now come up with some new material before you start tunneling. I'll put my money where my mouth is and pull an analysis on you to see if you're just a Bloodthirsty townie or an Overeager scum.
I agree: OMGUS on its own isn't a good tell at all. What is a good tell is getting very worked up over people voting you, and the OMGUS is just a topping on all of that. Hence "Add OMGUSing to your list of offenses", not "You OMGUSed, you must be scum!".
What I mean by "probing for potential bandwagons" is that you've voted a series of people (Janus, Webadict, myself, Cheeetar), each with only the briefest of explanations as to your vote. From here, it looks like putting votes on people to see if you can get anyone else to follow along and vote them as well. That's scummy.
And my questions were (and are) "What is your reasoning behind such rapid vote switching, as well as the apparent voting Janus despite a later willingness to claim sane cop and push for a vote on Webadict?" You've sort of answered those now, but you're still looking very much like you are defending by attacking your attacker.
Also: Posts between when you voted Janus and when you voted Webadict:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So, the only bit of potential non-bastarding in that time was me, and you clearly don't trust me. Thus, I'm not satisfied with your logic behind that vote switch. The fact that you later declared things to in fact be bastard and voted yourself also doesn't help your claim that you had decided it wasn't bastardly before revealing your hand.
And I'm being careful not to tunnel, this time. I'm paying attention to the rest of the people, but you're arousing the most suspicion by far.
Post by: dakarian on November 03, 2009, 08:05:44 am
When the day started and I put together the Sane Cop that was lynched, the mafioso that was the only nightkill, and the role PM that just happened to hit the second mafia with a 'so obvious' I thought "something's off here.. it has to be". Thus my first post. Since I dislike sitting around doing nothing, I decided to scumhunt in the meanwhile, holding my investigation until I had a better idea.
Two things helped ease out my claim: Yes, you were part of it. I suspect you, I don't ignore you. My 'ignore' point usually kicks in when I'm asking everyone around to join in lynching you. The other was Janus claiming the kill. That both calmed my suspicions on him for the time and helped explain what happened last night.
So when I claimed, I thought it had a good chance of being unbastardly. Thus I claimed and, later, opted to off myself since that would either eliminate a mafia or prove that the role names aren't trustworthy. Toony's explanations made that moot.
That's what happened. Janus has an alibi that may need to be traced later. You seem Bloodthirsty pro-town so far based on the analysis. I'm either Paranoid, Sane, Insane, or Random.
Sidenote: you haven't started tunnelvisioning.
And Cheeetar
I've got an idea. This may be incredibly stupid, so point out if it is. We could lynch Dakarian, revealing his roles true abilities. If he is a scum lieing about Webadict being scum, a scum is lynched. If he is a true rolecop with no madness, we then lynch Webadict afterwards and get scum. My idea fails somewhat if he turns out to be a paranoid/naive cop.
You know, I normally hated the 'deflection' argument. I believe that, even under direct attack, a townie should always be aggressive and going after others. Thus their posts will have some defense as they try to deal with the accusations and some attack as they continue their scumhunt.
So thank you, thank you Cheeetar, for showing me just exactly what a true Deflection looks like. You don't defend, you don't answer to accusations, you just "suddenly" had an "idea so crazy it may work!" that involves me being dead.
A few problems:
1. I already came up with that idea
2. I already found out that it wouldn't work without me dying
3. Question Dodging and Deflection noted
I'm just about done with you now.
You were passive most of Day 1, simply joining bandwagons using other people's arguments and providing no content for yourself.
You were the 4th vote on Nihilist's bandwagon: a scumtell. Before you cry 'old broken scumtell', Pandarsenic KNEW about the tell and still ended up 3rd on the same bandwagon.
You lurker hunt WELL past the point of normal lurker hunting. I'll leave off the vote for someone not playing, since really it's not hard to get games confused. What I WILL focus on, though, is that you hunted a lurker to their death and, when done, continued to lurker hunt. Lurker hunting is easy, gets a good bit of popularity, and dispels some of the risk of lynching since "they were useless anyway".
You were in lockstep with Pandar for a good bit of D1: voting 4th to his 3rd in Nihlists' bandwagon and voting 2nd to his 1st on Archangel's lurkerlynch. You also jumped in when he and Web were at it.
Yet while your hands were buddies with Pandar, your mouth pretended he didn't exist. You barely mention him and never attack him even when you casually lump him as scum during the Bus claim.
The image of two people, never looking at each other, walking side by side in the same direction. When you see that, you KNOW they know each other, but don't want people to realize they do.
And now you question dodge and deflect the conversation to an old subject that, if you were paying attention instead of just frantically glancing for something to help you, was already brought up and rejected.
I'm VERY close to being done with you.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 03, 2009, 11:16:05 am
Post by: webadict on November 03, 2009, 10:01:44 pm
@JanusTwoFace:I'm assuming there is only one of each type of Cop, then.
Confirmed as in 100% alignment confirmed.
Too be honest this might not even happen this game, but it's something to watch out for.
Post by: dakarian on November 03, 2009, 11:32:26 pm
Dephy's setup would be Sane, Random, Naive, Paranoid.
In dephy there are 5 cops, one of each type and a mafia pretending to be a cop. The idea of breaking a Dephy is having the cops inspect each other and compare results. Eventually, a pattern forms.
Since we already have 3 cops claiming themselves, it's late to hide things now. Instead, we're best off investigating and sharing the results. Unlike dephy, we can combine it with good old scumhunting and lynching (which right now should be based on the scumhunt, not the investigation). Eventually, we'll not only find out which one is which but it may also ferret out mafioso that decided to play cop.
This, however, is something that the 'cops' need to deal with to the side. For everyone else, it's the traditional game.
Which leads to me waiting for Cheeetar's answer, along with wondering how everyone else feels about him.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 04, 2009, 12:15:02 am
Right now I'm going to vote Webadict. Not much content in his posts, not many posts.
Post by: dakarian on November 04, 2009, 12:40:58 am
But you know what.. I'm done. You're scum.
@Everyone
Please read over the debate between me and Cheeetar. Just about all of it starts a little after Day 2 begins (at my vote on Cheeetar), though you'll also want the data from my Wide Scan back in Day 1, the important information lies here:
Cheeetar: Randomvote Eduren, V Nihilist(4th)-RF, Unvotes Nihilist-unknownreason, V Archangel-[Lurker hunt, 2nd vote], V Webadict-BUS with Pandarsenic
To rephrase and expand, Cheeetar Randomvotes to Eduren, then later is the 4th vote against Nihilist (Pandarsenic was 3rd) due to RoleFishing, He later unvotes Nihilist without stating why and becomes the 1nd vote on Archangel instead. He then switches to Webadict by claiming that he is bussing Pandarsenic. Eventually, he dropps that vote and votes Archangel again, this time being the 2nd vote (Pandarsenic being the 1st) for lurking. Archangel is then lynched.
The rest of the argument comes in Day 2. I'm accusing Cheeetar of being passive, bandwagoning, being in sync with confirmed scum (Pandarsenic) while pretending to be distant, and now deflecting questions rather than answering them.
If you believe that my argument is faulty then show them so I can explain or reevaluate my stance.
If you believe that my argument makes sense but leaves you unsure then question or accuse Cheeetar so you can obtain those answers.
If you believe that the argument is sound and that there is no defense for Cheeetar, please vote for him.
For myself, I am ready to see him lynched.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 04, 2009, 01:01:43 am
I hate to lurk, but I'm afraid I don't have much to add. Every time I go to post something, I realize that other people have already said it or that it's inconsequential anyways. Cheeetar seems scummy, especially his voting pattern. The whole Shadowdump thing was somewhat perplexing and his deflections puzzle me.
My thoughts on Cheeetar?
Scum.
Post by: Rysith on November 04, 2009, 01:36:43 am
If you believe that my argument is faulty then show them so I can explain or reevaluate my stance.
If you believe that my argument makes sense but leaves you unsure then question or accuse Cheeetar so you can obtain those answers.
If you believe that the argument is sound and that there is no defense for Cheeetar, please vote for him.
I agree with you, he's been acting scummy. What I don't like is turning today into "Is Cheeetar scum, or not?" Especially when we've still got cop sanity running around, and not that much (it seems) to go on.
I'll admit that you've been seeming less scummy with your explanations, though, so I'll unvote and vote Cheeetar, pending his answer to your ultimatum. It would be a FOS, but I'm voting since I'm not entirely sure when the day ends and, without a response from Cheeetar that's another point against him.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 04, 2009, 04:01:56 am
Vote on Webadict: The whole argument seemed childish, so I thought it may be false.
Vote on AN:
I'll admit to rolefishing, as that's what I'm doing, but whether or not he tells me his role (hint: he won't) it doesn't really matter. If his actions make him look pro-town (as I might've managed to trick him into doing...) he becomes a viable target for scum.Admitted to rolefishing. Admitted to trying to pick targets for scum (what?!?!).
What questions am I deflecting? I want to see them.
Also: You're wrong about me being scum. So there.
Post by: dakarian on November 04, 2009, 08:33:16 am
If you believe that my argument is faulty then show them so I can explain or reevaluate my stance.
If you believe that my argument makes sense but leaves you unsure then question or accuse Cheeetar so you can obtain those answers.
If you believe that the argument is sound and that there is no defense for Cheeetar, please vote for him.
I agree with you, he's been acting scummy. What I don't like is turning today into "Is Cheeetar scum, or not?" Especially when we've still got cop sanity running around, and not that much (it seems) to go on.
Umm, what!?
Deciding whether someone is scum or not is the entire POINT to the day game. The cop sanity has NOTHING to do with Cheeetar's stance. All cop sanity is at this point is a mini-game that the 'cops' now have to play to figure out who is who, sanity wise: right now we're best just to ignore it for the time being until something useful comes out.
Instead, we're here to scumhunt the NORMAL way. Since Cheeetar is being accused by traditional means, whether he becomes today's lynch is VERY much on the table.
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I'll admit that you've been seeming less scummy with your explanations, though, so I'll unvote and vote Cheeetar, pending his answer to your ultimatum. It would be a FOS, but I'm voting since I'm not entirely sure when the day ends and, without a response from Cheeetar that's another point against him.
Is there something in the argument in particular you don't like about him and want answers to, or are you meaning to be vague at the moment? It seems odd since your other votes had a bigger piece of your mind attached than a standard bandwagon.
@Cheeetar
Your post defending your votes required me to not only pressure you and WOT you, but get to the point where I'm getting the town to utterly lynch you!
Before then you had 2 posts that didn't address ANY of the issues I brought up, but instead:
Suggested that I should be lynched, NOT because I'm scum but to prove if webadict is guilty (Which means we stop talking about you, lynch your accuser, then perhaps lynch the one you've been after for a while).
Then... you know, I had to read that second post again and I realize it makes even LESS sense than before.
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Dakarian: Ok you guys, Cheeetar is REALLY SUSPICIOUS for deflecting my question about his supicions. I'm not going to vote for him though. So, you guys how do you feel about him maybe we should vote for him if you want to?
I thought you were saying that "I'M" suspicious but you don't want to vote for me.
Instead you're trying to paraphrase my posts?
Did you miss the fact that I started my attack BY voting for you? I'm your first vote.
In any case, you took the time to write those two posts without saying ANYTHING about my accusations-other than the deflection, which is just ONE smaller piece of the issue. Those are your deflections, and defending yourself NOW doesn't help you cover them up.
Oh, and you're still deflecting the most damaging parts:
The fact you were voting with Pandarsenic for most of the day but barely mentioning him at all, even when you thought he was scum (as required for the Bussing argument). You STILL seem hesitant to mention him. He's not the Dark One: you can at least say his name.
That your votes are bandwagons rather than personal arguments, with the exception of your day 2 lurker hunt and the Bus argument that you abandoned quick enough.
Also, it seems sort of odd to just go out and scream 'bus' when you felt both people were, before, townish don't you think?
Post by: Cheeetar on November 04, 2009, 08:42:07 am
@Cheeetar
Your post defending your votes required me to not only pressure you and WOT you, but get to the point where I'm getting the town to utterly lynch you!
Before then you had 2 posts that didn't address ANY of the issues I brought up, but instead:
Suggested that I should be lynched, NOT because I'm scum but to prove if webadict is guilty (Which means we stop talking about you, lynch your accuser, then perhaps lynch the one you've been after for a while).
Then... you know, I had to read that second post again and I realize it makes even LESS sense than before.QuoteDakarian: Ok you guys, Cheeetar is REALLY SUSPICIOUS for deflecting my question about his supicions. I'm not going to vote for him though. So, you guys how do you feel about him maybe we should vote for him if you want to?
I thought you were saying that "I'M" suspicious but you don't want to vote for me.
Instead you're trying to paraphrase my posts?
Did you miss the fact that I started my attack BY voting for you? I'm your first vote.
In any case, you took the time to write those two posts without saying ANYTHING about my accusations-other than the deflection, which is just ONE smaller piece of the issue. Those are your deflections, and defending yourself NOW doesn't help you cover them up.
Oh, and you're still deflecting the most damaging parts:
The fact you were voting with Pandarsenic for most of the day but barely mentioning him at all, even when you thought he was scum (as required for the Bussing argument). You STILL seem hesitant to mention him. He's not the Dark One: you can at least say his name.
That your votes are bandwagons rather than personal arguments, with the exception of your day 2 lurker hunt and the Bus argument that you abandoned quick enough.
Also, it seems sort of odd to just go out and scream 'bus' when you felt both people were, before, townish don't you think?
That didn't contain many actual questions, but I'll answer as best I can.
"Instead you're trying to paraphrase my posts?"
Yes. And I did miss the part where you voted for me.
It didn't seem odd to me to vote for a person who seemed scummy, regardless of his previous behaviour.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 04, 2009, 08:46:32 am
Post by: Cheeetar on November 04, 2009, 08:47:21 am
Post by: dakarian on November 04, 2009, 10:06:10 am
That would explain most of the behavior. I guess a watcher would be very passive. You can't defend yourself like anything, but with SkillLevel being taken to account it's plausible.
It also makes me wonder if Cops work the same here as in chatmafia. Sane, Insane, and Random always read neutrals as neutral (the only quirk is the Stoned Cop which sees EVERYONE as neutral).
The link with Pandar still looks ugly, but ugly enough to kill? *sigh*
@Mod: When's deadline? If it's sometime today then I request an extension.
There's 3 mafia at the start, with 1 that's died. That leaves 2 left.
When you're confused, it's time to do another Wide Scan! A smaller one though and focused:
Current claims:
Cheeetar - Watcher
Leafsnail - Cop
JanusTwoFace - scumvig..thing
eduren - Cop
dakarian - Cop
There's a lot of talk about what the 'power roles' are (if you think of the cops as 'regular townies')
Btw:
Hey Vector what did you do last night?
@mod: Can you bring prods on Rashilul and Twiggie? Both have been AWOL for a while now
As for Cheeetar, letting myself stew on that one for a second.
Post by: Rysith on November 04, 2009, 10:29:09 am
Umm, what!?
Deciding whether someone is scum or not is the entire POINT to the day game. The cop sanity has NOTHING to do with Cheeetar's stance. All cop sanity is at this point is a mini-game that the 'cops' now have to play to figure out who is who, sanity wise: right now we're best just to ignore it for the time being until something useful comes out.
Instead, we're here to scumhunt the NORMAL way. Since Cheeetar is being accused by traditional means, whether he becomes today's lynch is VERY much on the table.QuoteI'll admit that you've been seeming less scummy with your explanations, though, so I'll unvote and vote Cheeetar, pending his answer to your ultimatum. It would be a FOS, but I'm voting since I'm not entirely sure when the day ends and, without a response from Cheeetar that's another point against him.
Is there something in the argument in particular you don't like about him and want answers to, or are you meaning to be vague at the moment? It seems odd since your other votes had a bigger piece of your mind attached than a standard bandwagon.
Same as I said D1, I feel like Day 2 with questionable investigations is a bit early to turn into "Is X scum?" rather than "Who is looking scummy?". Thus, what I objected to wasn't "Cheeetar is looking scummy", but the "Either vote for him or argue with me about him!"
As for things in particular: The chief scummy thing from Cheeetar was the total passivity in the face of your attacks, neither really answering your questions nor attempting anything on his own. He's since (sort of) taken responsibility for his votes, and pointed at Webadict, but those both seem very weak, especially given that he's claimed Watcher now.
Further, I'm not actually sure that I trust the watcher claim: I'd expect a watcher to be going for ties and NLs rather than voting for someone, especially climbing onto existing bandwagons and going after lurkers. Lurkers help watchers, so if he's a watcher there isn't a reason for him to go after them.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 04, 2009, 10:29:58 am
I may go back and check the cop claims. It would make sense if there were one more cop, in which case we may have the Dephy setup. As I said, from my flavour text, I'd guess Naive for myself, but I'm not sure.
Post by: Vector on November 04, 2009, 11:22:13 am
Hey Vector what did you do last night?
@mod: Can you bring prods on Rashilul and Twiggie? Both have been AWOL for a while now
I inspected Rysith.
Also, Rashilul is Webadict. Twiggie is the one we need to worry about... come to think of it, Twiggie. We've got enough to lynch, so I might as well try to get the lurkers out here and playing.
Post by: dakarian on November 04, 2009, 11:31:59 am
Btw, Vector, mind sharing what you got from that inspection, both in whether he was innocent or guilty and how the PM sounded?
Meanwhile,
Rysith has a point about the anti-lurker stance: that does seem odd from a watcher that doesn't want much activity. Meanwhile, Leaf reminded me of how the watcher could cause us some massive headaches down the line. If he's lying, then that's that. If he IS a watcher, we might be removing an ugly headache. My vote never left Cheeetar so it'll remain there.
I'll withdraw the request to Extend, though I still want to know the deadline.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 04, 2009, 02:50:06 pm
VOTE COUNT:
webadict - Twiggie, Cheeetar [2]
Cheeetar - dakarian, Apostolic, Rysith, Leafsnail [4]
Twiggie - Vector [1]
Not Voting - Webadict, NUKE9.13, JanusTwoFace, eduren [4]
~Day End Friday 8 PM EST~
Whoops, I forgot he needs a replacement. SOMEONE REPLACE HIM.
Post by: Vector on November 04, 2009, 03:55:24 pm
Fakeedit: Oh yah.. Rash is web. No need to vote for Twiggie since the prod will deal with him. Once he posts (or gets replaced) we can deal with him.
Btw, Vector, mind sharing what you got from that inspection, both in whether he was innocent or guilty and how the PM sounded?
Goddammit. I'd completely forgotten he'd wanted a replacement. Unvote.
Meanwhile, Cheeetar. I can buy your claim, but trying to keep the scum and the town in equilibrium for that long doesn't sound good. I'd much rather have most of us working for town advantage.
I got scum on Rysith. I'm not sure about the tone of the PM. I seem to be being really careful--so I'm guessing I'm paranoid, from the looks of it.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 04, 2009, 04:11:44 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on November 04, 2009, 04:15:09 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 04, 2009, 06:07:04 pm
This is a SIDE PROJECT and should NOT take over the main game at the moment. During the day, we should mostly be scumhunting normally. It will help us out if we can figure out the truth but, unlike a true Bastard Mod, it's not required to win this one.
Now,
As for the cop matter: we now have 5 cops. While it's DANGEROUS to assume this is dephy, if we play that card then one of us is a scum faking a cop while everyone else is a true cop with a different sanity.
Our sanities showing off from the flavor text would be fun, but it's too early to assume that. We might be better off using Dephy logic.. as such:
| Dakarian | | | Leafsnail | | | Eduren | | | Archangel | | | Vector |
| Web-G | | | Web-I | | | Janus-G | | | none | | | Rysith-G |
| Sane/Rand/Para | | | Sane/Rand/Naiv | | | Sane/Rand/Para | | | Sane/Rand/Naiv/Para | | | Sane/Rand/Para |
Now, one way to deal with this is for the folks who found a Guilty last night to find the person they most believe is town and investigate them. Leaf, meanwhile, will be the hardest. I'm thinking Twiggy since he might be third party.
The goal is to try to see if our investigations change. If you can receive an Innocent (or Guilty in Leaf's case) then we know you aren't paranoid/naive and we can go on from there.
Post by: webadict on November 04, 2009, 06:16:37 pm
Instead, Dephy logic can't really apply here. Why do you think it can?
Post by: dakarian on November 04, 2009, 06:38:33 pm
1. I don't plan on it actually replacing the regular game. We cops can go play with our sanities while we all scumhunt and kill the rest of the mafia.
2. It beats just ignoring it and assuming we're all townies.
Sidenote: Claiming cop, even having investigations, is a null tell. It's sensible for the mafia to claim cop at this point. It is also possible for some mafia to BE cops. So long as we don't try to make it more than what it is then we should be fine.
Post by: webadict on November 04, 2009, 09:04:32 pm
Because:Toon Mafia isn't likely to have Townie roles equivalent to Mafia roles. Sure, the mafia could claim Cop, but why do that when you can claim something cool.
1. I don't plan on it actually replacing the regular game. We cops can go play with our sanities while we all scumhunt and kill the rest of the mafia.
2. It beats just ignoring it and assuming we're all townies.
Sidenote: Claiming cop, even having investigations, is a null tell. It's sensible for the mafia to claim cop at this point. It is also possible for some mafia to BE cops. So long as we don't try to make it more than what it is then we should be fine.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 04, 2009, 10:15:36 pm
So he added late and now needs replaced? Can we just pretend he never existed? (/sarcasm)A prod to Twiggie will be sent.
Whoops, I forgot he needs a replacement. SOMEONE REPLACE HIM.
I'm the Communist Worker. I can either wait until Day 6 for the revolution to start, as the workers are tired of the stressful conditions with mafia running around, or I can kill the Capitalist Banker and kickstart the revolution. See? I'm harmless. Now I just have to hope that the Capitalist Banker can't nightkill me now that I've publicly roleclaimed.You have to kill the Capitalist Banker? This implies that you have a killing role which makes you rather dangerous. I'm starting to agree with dakarian on this part.
That set-up may include a random Cop or they might all be random cops. You could test it by re-investigating, but that's a big waste.Agreed. I'm not sure why we're putting so much emphasis on the cops now that there are so many of them (with conflicting results). I'm not saying don't try to figure out what you actually are, I just think that's your job to deal with.
Instead, Dephy logic can't really apply here. Why do you think it can?
Post by: dakarian on November 04, 2009, 10:31:58 pm
That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. All the cop talk is really between the cops.
Post by: Rysith on November 05, 2009, 12:21:16 am
As for the cop matter: we now have 5 cops. While it's DANGEROUS to assume this is dephy, if we play that card then one of us is a scum faking a cop while everyone else is a true cop with a different sanity.
The goal is to try to see if our investigations change. If you can receive an Innocent (or Guilty in Leaf's case) then we know you aren't paranoid/naive and we can go on from there.
I agree that it's extremely dangerous to assume that there is a dephy sub-game. While I'm not a cop (and thus, the only thing that I can do to directly help is indirectly support Vector's paranoid guess by saying I'm not scum), I can say we're not all cops, not all of the scum are cops, and there's more than one scum. That, in and of itself, makes dephy-logic unsound, since there is no reason for any of the scum to claim cop. I do agree that finding out which (if any) of you are sane cops is a good idea, but I think that you have to do so without any assumptions.
Cheeetar: You've now changed your win conditions from
My role is to extend the game to last 6 days, as in have the title be at least Toon Mafia V - Day 6.to
I can either wait until Day 6 for the revolution to start, as the workers are tired of the stressful conditions with mafia running around, or I can kill the Capitalist Banker and kickstart the revolution.
That just adds to my distrust of you, and I think that at this point I'll join Dakarian in urging people to vote for Cheeetar.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 05, 2009, 01:07:44 am
Post by: Cheeetar on November 05, 2009, 03:02:27 am
Post by: dakarian on November 05, 2009, 07:01:17 am
Meanwhile:
Although Cheeetar's our lynch for the day, we still have time to burn so let's not waste it. Back to the scumhunt.
I've been doing scan after scan and I have less to go on now. Still, I have something to go on.
For example, going back to Rysith, your day 1 does bug me the more that I look. You didn't do much of ANYTHING then, just a randomvote, then way later a jump on webadict for some ugly 'post ratio' mess (made extra ugly by not actually posting a fact on it.. if you claim 'ratios' then post a real ratio) and, after ONE post attacking him, you claim tunnelvision and run away.
I claimed you were bloodthirsty-a pro-town mentality-but you didn't even start doing anything until Day 2. Now, your day 2 is pretty well off but now you look like a different person going from D1 to D2. What's up?
Post by: Cheeetar on November 05, 2009, 07:58:45 am
Post by: Cheeetar on November 05, 2009, 07:59:27 am
Post by: Cheeetar on November 05, 2009, 08:08:04 am
Post by: Cheeetar on November 05, 2009, 08:10:00 am
Post by: dakarian on November 05, 2009, 08:17:15 am
He makes a point. You fussed when you didn't have much help in Day 1. Now I'm stuck alone having to push the town towards scumhunting.
Besides, although Cheeetar's claim if you bussing Pandar was completely silly at the time, now that Pandar is confirmed scum with, it seems, a post restriction that REALLY looked bad, it doesn't seem quite as silly now.
Post by: webadict on November 05, 2009, 11:02:23 am
I didn't say at first I was to kill the Communist Banker because then he would know I wanted to kill him. I don't know his abilities, all I know is his role name. And yes, I do have a killing role. It would be very stupid for me to activate it unless I was sure I had found the Communist Banker, because I can also win by having the round last 6 days.So... which is it? Communist Banker or Capitalist Banker?
Webadict has been doing active-lurking this whole day, and hasn't responded to anything other than the cop issue. He hasn't said a word about me being lynched OR my vote on him. If it were someone else, it could be in their nature to lurk, but not Webadict.
Also: Hey look, Webadict continues to do not much. He looks totally town, completely ignoring my vote on him.I am, unfortunately, without means of communication. I have lost my computer and am not able to post regularly. But, I do appreciate the notice. So, please wait on the line as the calls are answered in the order that they are received.
And your vote for me? What am I to care about that? You vote for me constantly, and I can only call you a ignorant moron so many times. My guess is that if you haven't learned it by now, you never will.
But...
Hmm... well, a Doomspeaker is anti-town, and I have a feeling that he's not telling us that we'll all lose on Day 6 if he does. He may have abilities such as a global roleblock or JoAT maneuvers, so I'll unvote and vote cheeetar.It's likely Leafsnail. He's too short-gamed and passive.
I may go back and check the cop claims. It would make sense if there were one more cop, in which case we may have the Dephy setup. As I said, from my flavour text, I'd guess Naive for myself, but I'm not sure.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 05, 2009, 11:43:50 am
Apostolic, Leafsnail: Don't just jump on the bandwagon and forget about it. Post more. Why should I be lynched?You've changed your story several times. When it seemed you were going to be lynched, you suddenly claimed Doomspeaker. When it people realised a DS is anti-town, you amended your story to make yourself a super-duper pro-town Doomspeaker, along with something else about a Capitalist/ Communist Banker. This would, apparently, give you 3 win conditions, which seems unlikely. In addition, if this were true, we could NL every single day and win when the revolution comes Day 6.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 05, 2009, 01:35:22 pm
I am, unfortunately, without means of communication. I have lost my computer and am not able to post regularly. But, I do appreciate the notice. So, please wait on the line as the calls are answered in the order that they are received.
You are posting more in Paranormal though... Care to comment?
Post by: Cheeetar on November 05, 2009, 04:22:46 pm
Post by: webadict on November 05, 2009, 08:45:29 pm
I was about to die in Paranormal. :P There's only so much attention I might be able to use. Aaaaand, since I've been lynched, I'll be able to post in a bit.I am, unfortunately, without means of communication. I have lost my computer and am not able to post regularly. But, I do appreciate the notice. So, please wait on the line as the calls are answered in the order that they are received.
You are posting more in Paranormal though... Care to comment?
Post by: dakarian on November 05, 2009, 09:07:37 pm
Rysith's discussion about his Day 1 actions.
Leafsnail's response to Webadict's accusation.
lastly.. did web just give two different explanations for the same situation?
I am, unfortunately, without means of communication. I have lost my computer and am not able to post regularly. But, I do appreciate the notice. So, please wait on the line as the calls are answered in the order that they are received.
I was about to die in Paranormal. :P There's only so much attention I might be able to use. Aaaaand, since I've been lynched, I'll be able to post in a bit.
So were you unable to reach a computer or just didn't find our conversation interesting?
Post by: webadict on November 05, 2009, 09:13:34 pm
There's a few matters up in the air at the moment:No, he refers to my ability to be in both Paranormal and here. My lack of a computer contributed to my lack of posting in general, whereas the time I had available was spent more toward Paranormal to hopefully convince them to not lynch me, which they did not.
Rysith's discussion about his Day 1 actions.
Leafsnail's response to Webadict's accusation.
lastly.. did web just give two different explanations for the same situation?I am, unfortunately, without means of communication. I have lost my computer and am not able to post regularly. But, I do appreciate the notice. So, please wait on the line as the calls are answered in the order that they are received.I was about to die in Paranormal. :P There's only so much attention I might be able to use. Aaaaand, since I've been lynched, I'll be able to post in a bit.
So were you unable to reach a computer or just didn't find our conversation interesting?
Post by: dakarian on November 05, 2009, 09:17:29 pm
Post by: webadict on November 05, 2009, 09:24:34 pm
Well, since you are here, care to elaborate on the claim against leafsnail? Also, care to explain why you vote on him rather than Cheeetar?Because Cheeetar's likely a third party and, as he put it, he's a buffer. I hardly think he's worth lynching.
And, obviously, Leafsnail is scum. Duh.
He posted this right after I said he was passive, and lo and behold, he gets magically aggressive, without actually replying to me. All I really know is he wants people to die.Apostolic, Leafsnail: Don't just jump on the bandwagon and forget about it. Post more. Why should I be lynched?You've changed your story several times. When it seemed you were going to be lynched, you suddenly claimed Doomspeaker. When it people realised a DS is anti-town, you amended your story to make yourself a super-duper pro-town Doomspeaker, along with something else about a Capitalist/ Communist Banker. This would, apparently, give you 3 win conditions, which seems unlikely. In addition, if this were true, we could NL every single day and win when the revolution comes Day 6.
Post by: Rysith on November 05, 2009, 11:00:16 pm
For example, going back to Rysith, your day 1 does bug me the more that I look. You didn't do much of ANYTHING then, just a randomvote, then way later a jump on webadict for some ugly 'post ratio' mess (made extra ugly by not actually posting a fact on it.. if you claim 'ratios' then post a real ratio) and, after ONE post attacking him, you claim tunnelvision and run away.
I claimed you were bloodthirsty-a pro-town mentality-but you didn't even start doing anything until Day 2. Now, your day 2 is pretty well off but now you look like a different person going from D1 to D2. What's up?
Mostly, it's that I'm really bad and doing anything D1 without anything to go on, and so I tend to lurk through it, and go back to what happened then to correlate with what happens in future days. Day two has more stuff for me to do actual analysis on, so I am able to be much more active. I still stand by my "tunnelvision as an internal phenomenon" explanation.
The reason that I don't trust Cheeetar's claim is that in order for him to win D6, he would either have to ensure that mafia and town were kept in balance (so d6 dawned 2 town/1 scum), or get us to NL at least once. That Janus had an extra kill means that for Cheeetar to win, we actually have to NL at least once (which is bad for the town). That Cheeetar wasn't pushing for NL D1 (which is a strategy that might work) makes me doubt the win condition.
And, obviously, Leafsnail is scum. Duh.
Using Webadict's logic, Cheeetar and Leafsnail accuse him of lurking and he immediately points off at Leafsnail as someone who's obviously scummy.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 06, 2009, 10:06:38 am
Post by: dakarian on November 06, 2009, 10:48:16 am
Post by: Cheeetar on November 06, 2009, 10:52:07 am
Post by: dakarian on November 06, 2009, 11:51:05 am
2. Web is very much a prime suspect at the moment. After his reply, "I'd love to believe he's on the level, but there's a part of me that just knows better."
Post by: Leafsnail on November 06, 2009, 12:19:36 pm
He posted this right after I said he was passive, and lo and behold, he gets magically aggressive, without actually replying to me. All I really know is he wants people to die.Yes, webadict, I do want and need people to die, specifically those in the mafia, being town aligned. And, strangely, after we accuse you of lurking, you suddenly start to post more.
And Cheeetar: Yes, I think you're lying about your role. If that was your real role, you wouldn't mind getting lynched. In fact, you'd be pushing for your own lynch.
Post by: webadict on November 06, 2009, 05:32:30 pm
Oooo, nice deflection. I'll one-up you:He posted this right after I said he was passive, and lo and behold, he gets magically aggressive, without actually replying to me. All I really know is he wants people to die.Yes, webadict, I do want and need people to die, specifically those in the mafia, being town aligned. And, strangely, after we accuse you of lurking, you suddenly start to post more.
And Cheeetar: Yes, I think you're lying about your role. If that was your real role, you wouldn't mind getting lynched. In fact, you'd be pushing for your own lynch.
Your post reflects a personality change, whereas my post reflects a scheduling change. One of those is mental and the other physical. Nice try though.
So, next time you try to come up with a crappy reason to lynch someone, try one that isn't based on time issue.
And obviously, Cheeetar needs to be alive to win... I think.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 06, 2009, 05:34:52 pm
VOTE COUNT:
webadict - Twiggie, Cheeetar [2]
Cheeetar - dakarian, Apostolic, Rysith, Leafsnail, Vector [5]
Leafsnail - Webadict [1]
Not Voting - NUKE9.13, JanusTwoFace, eduren [3]
~Day End Three Hours~
Post by: Archangel on November 06, 2009, 06:54:52 pm
I leave my pride inside my mind
I let this fear surround me
I take this life less face you wear
And let it burn in my memory
Memory, a memory, a pain that blinds...
Your skin so cold it seems so lifeless
I take your soul with me and die
I find it hard to shake this pain
it wraps itself around me
I try so hard to find this place
this place where they, they won't find me
Memory, a memory, a pain that blinds...
Your skin so cold it seems so lifeless
I take your soul with me and die
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 06, 2009, 06:56:00 pm
YOU FEEL
THE LOVE
TONIGHT
*Back to being dead*
Post by: Archangel on November 06, 2009, 06:58:28 pm
CANWhat the-?
YOU FEEL
THE LOVE
TONIGHT
*Back to being dead*
Post by: ToonyMan on November 06, 2009, 07:35:07 pm
VOTE COUNT:
webadict - Twiggie, Cheeetar [2]
Cheeetar - dakarian, Apostolic, Rysith, Leafsnail, Vector [5]
Leafsnail - Webadict [1]
Not Voting - NUKE9.13, JanusTwoFace, eduren [3]
~Day End One Hour~
Post by: Cheeetar on November 06, 2009, 07:41:42 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 06, 2009, 08:30:56 pm
It is now night. Send in your actions power doods.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 10, 2009, 02:37:31 pm
~DAY 3(!) START~
No one has died.
No one has died.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 10, 2009, 02:39:31 pm
And I got a town result on Vector last night, btw. Again, the flavour text seemed to subtly imply I was naive, though.
And as for Cheeetar's flip... well, he lied about his rolename, certainly. Unless Egbert is linked to communism in some way my research hasn't noted? If he lied about his role name, I'd guess he was anti-town in some way.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 10, 2009, 02:40:46 pm
Post by: Vector on November 10, 2009, 02:41:58 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 10, 2009, 03:17:09 pm
So possible random or sane.
Guess it's time to do a scan on Webadict.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 10, 2009, 03:18:51 pm
Neither Paranoid, Naive or Insane: Town on myself.Thought that was a Freudian slip before remembering your scum result yesterday :P.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2009, 03:22:18 pm
- 8 living players
- 2 scum remaining (from 3 originally)
- scum have no night kill (this is seeming very strange)
- confused cops are all over the place
If the cops don't mind, could you post again (concisely) what you've gotten? The claims are scattered all over the thread (which is at almost 400 posts now) and I'm sure I don't have all of them.
I'm not asking for any additional information if you don't want to share, just what you've posted so far.
Also, webadict, you were going on Apostolic Nihilist for lurking and other reasons earlier. What are your thoughts now?
Also, Apostolic Nihilist, you haven't posted for something like 60 of the last posts and that was to vote along with most of the rest of us on Cheeeter (IIRC). Care to explain the lurky bandwaggoness?
Post by: dakarian on November 10, 2009, 03:29:55 pm
As for the last batch of claims, combined with today's
| Dakarian | | | Leafsnail | | | Eduren | | | Archangel | | | Vector |
| Web-G | | | Web-I | | | Janus-G | | | none | | | Rysith-G |
| Dak-I | | | Vect-I | | | - | | | none | | | Dak-G |
| Sane/Rand | | | Sane/Rand/Naiv | | | Sane/Rand/Para | | | Sane/Rand/Naiv/Para | | | Sane/Rand/Para |
Post by: Leafsnail on November 10, 2009, 03:51:15 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 10, 2009, 03:55:32 pm
Eduren's information can be useful though.
Post by: Eduren on November 10, 2009, 04:49:32 pm
Arc died the first day so we'll never know about him.
Eduren's information can be useful though.
I got Mafia on Vector.
Post by: dakarian on November 10, 2009, 04:52:35 pm
| Dakarian | | | Leafsnail | | | Eduren | | | Archangel | | | Vector |
| Web-G | | | Web-I | | | Janus-G | | | none | | | Rysith-G |
| Dak-I | | | Vect-I | | | Vect-G | | | none | | | Dak-G |
| Sane/Rand | | | Sane/Rand/Naiv | | | Sane/Rand/Para | | | Sane/Rand/Naiv/Para | | | Sane/Rand/Para |
Post by: Vector on November 10, 2009, 08:40:55 pm
Of course, that might be overdoing it.
Post by: dakarian on November 10, 2009, 08:48:11 pm
Coordinating our inspections can be useful though. For now, we just continue the hunt.
Post by: Eduren on November 10, 2009, 08:56:18 pm
If we want to win this game we need to get people talking again. Rysith, can you let us know you are still there?
Post by: Rysith on November 10, 2009, 09:37:26 pm
Going over my PMs another time and considering my results, I believe that I am Paranoid.
If we want to win this game we need to get people talking again. Rysith, can you let us know you are still there?
Yes, I'm still here.
I was going to point out that since we've now got some conflicting cop results, we can start making conditionals (IE if Leafsnail is sane then Dakarian and Eduren cannot be), which should narrow down our choices for who needs to be investigated tonight. I'm happy, though, that Dakarian got a different result, which brings us at least closer to a potential real cop (and especially, one that we don't seem to have to worry about being night-killed). I wonder if confirming sanity implies a modkill, though...
For those that don't know, John Egbert is the main character from Homestuck, a MSPaint adventure that includes him accidentally destroying his house (and, it's implied, much of the town) with a video game. I think I'm rather glad that we lynched him, especially given the deception around his role. It also means that we may be dealing with a non-mafia clock, so just because we're only losing one a day/night cycle may not change that we only have until day 6 dawns to have won.
Dakarian, I don't think it's so unreasonable to choose two lynch targets today (a primary and secondary), then use the secondary to try to calibrate cops. We would suspect them anyway, and having a flip of someone we inspected would eliminate either sane or {paranoid/naive}. I'm also not sure if you can declare yourself not paranoid yet, since often paranoid cops won't get scum on self-investigations. I think that all we can build off of is disagreements between inspections.
And lastly, I think that probability says that we can lean toward both Eduren and Vector being paranoid/random, and thus discountable. We know that at most one of them could be sane (since there are two remaining scum and they have two each), and even then the probability that one hit both scum is tiny. To me, that leans toward Dakarian or Leafsnail being the only possibly-sane ones, which means that they should coordinate among themselves a mutual target tonight, so that we can resolve that bit. The other possibility would be lynching webadict, since a flip from him would eliminate one of them, but I agree with Dakarian that we can't lynch just to find sanity.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 10, 2009, 09:41:05 pm
Mod-kill only happens when alignment is 100%.
Let me go do that.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 10, 2009, 10:00:39 pm
Also, Apostolic Nihilist, you haven't posted for something like 60 of the last posts and that was to vote along with most of the rest of us on Cheeeter (IIRC). Care to explain the lurky bandwaggoness?I was second on Cheeetar -- I found him scummy after Dakarian pointed it out, so I voted for him.
I'm lurking more than I'd like and I'll try to be a bit more active.
Also, I'm wondering: all of our cops will flip as 'sane cop', right? Now, what would happen in this (now impossible) scenario:
Cop A investigates Player X on Night 1. He gets 'guilty'.
Cop A investigates Player Y on NIght 2. He gets 'guilty'.
Cop A claims 'Sane Cop' and condemns Player X & Player Y, saying he investigated them and got 'guilty'. He is killed in the night and roleflips as 'Sane Cop'.
From town's perspective, Player X & Player Y are 100% confirmed; they're guilty. The cop flipped sane, after all.
Post by: dakarian on November 10, 2009, 10:06:08 pm
So no, killing the cops won't confirm anything.
I'm getting deja vu vibes. Last time I had to (re)shoot this idea down was Cheeetar, the anti-town Watcher.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 10, 2009, 10:14:14 pm
As it stands, it's going to be impossible to 100% confirm someone; there's always the chance that they're a random cop.
So, unless we have another role floating around that can confirm people, I don't think we have to worry much about getting confirmed townies.
We can get 'almost-confirmed townie' but it's not guaranteed.
Also, I'm not suggesting we kill any cops -- quite the contrary. We need to keep them alive to continue figuring things out.
Post by: dakarian on November 10, 2009, 10:59:50 pm
As Rashilul: Randomvote on Leaf (2nd vote), Replaced by Webadict
As Webadict: Vote on Nihilist(2nd) for nearly getting Twiggy Modkilled, defended Twiggy-came in late thus can't be scum(DNote:True, me as host had a similar issue show up elsewhere), battle with Janus, Battle with Pandarsenic, V Archangel, Attack on Rysith, Anyl on Nihilist.
Odd thing to catch (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=43713.msg846042#msg846042):
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Yes, once I had pointed you out, I became a target, did I not?
And I'd figured that Archangel's death was going to be an obvious for you. You'd figured that one Sane Cop would have been obviously Sane, but if you have a similar role, that it is the equivalent of a powerless townie in TM. Okay, well, maybe not powerless, but probably a townie.
Now, I'll Unvote.
It's in reference to me first claiming I was a cop.
the oddness.. did he think I was lying about the role or honest? If lying, then why the second paragraph where he figured I thought there was something wrong with the sane cop roles? If honest, then how could I be targetting him after he focused on me since I'd have to investigate him the night prior (when he said I was town)?
Result.. Very confused.
After that, a vote on Leafsnail based on passiveness and later prompted aggressiveness (aggy after being told you aren't aggy).
I'm meh on Web being scum. It's partially based on the idea that it would be very ballsy for him and Pandar to, out of the blue, have a large fight with each other as scum buddies, Also, his heaviest attack on leafsnail has a valid point to it.
Post by: Rysith on November 11, 2009, 01:39:17 am
Scan on Webadict:
Dakarian: Why the scan on Webadict?
I also (having gone back to the player list to check something) have noticed that Nuke hasn't said anything since page 21, and has since faded into the background. In the same manner as Eduren asked of me, won't you come weigh in?
Post by: dakarian on November 11, 2009, 01:51:30 am
But it was a flop. He's neutral so I can't use him.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 11, 2009, 11:44:53 am
Also, if you believe me, everyone knows my role and that I'm vanilla now. So I think I'm going to be the closest thing to a confirmed townie that you're going to get without said townie getting mod-killed.
So far, we know that Vector, Leafsnail, eduren, and dakarian claim to be coplike, but not much about webadict, Rysith, NUKE9.13, or Apostolic Nihilist.
So, what do you think?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 11, 2009, 12:27:07 pm
VOTE COUNT:
Rysith - eduren [1]
NUKE9.13 - Rysith [1]
Not Voting - Everyone Else [7]
Yes, this Everyone Else fellow has seven votes.
~Day End Friday 8 PM EST~
Post by: Leafsnail on November 11, 2009, 01:32:31 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 11, 2009, 01:38:41 pm
Actually... a massclaim could be useful at this point. Although we need more participation from quite a lot of people, including myself, to be honest.
This would not bother me either (as I have already publicly claimed my role).
I'd really just like to have everyone's opinion on this (along with more participation).
Post by: webadict on November 11, 2009, 02:37:21 pm
I'm sure they're just waiting.
Post by: Rysith on November 11, 2009, 09:00:31 pm
Ok, I have a random idea to shake things up... How does everyone feel about a MC to me? Granted, you can't be sure that I'm not some sort of crazy murderer out to kill you all in your sleep, but I did take care of one of the scum already (which is more than we've managed to do otherwise).
...
So, what do you think?
I'm also unsure of how useful it would be. Given that we don't know the roles, and (as far as I can tell) the near-total lack of observable night actions, it seems like it would be trivial for the scum to simply make up roles, or even claim their real roles without the "is scum".
Post by: dakarian on November 11, 2009, 11:35:31 pm
The next post came in D2. It was a claim of being a sane cop that might be naive due to seeing webadict as innocent. He then votes for and attacks nuke for his attack on Janus (after my post marking the same thing). He unvotes after Nuke's response.
He then joins the attack against Cheeetar (4th vote) with a passive voice. When Cheeetar demanded a reason for the vote, Leafsnail gave: 1. a reason web had already noted and 2. a reason that showed up AFTER Leafsnail voted thus not really answering the question.
Webadict fusses about his actions and this comes
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Yes, webadict, I do want and need people to die, specifically those in the mafia, being town aligned.
It sounds odd given that we're all voting for someone we agreed was a 3rd party (the original reason to lynch was that he was a dangerous 3rd party and needed to go for the good of the town). The quote sounds almost like he thinks Cheeetar is scum. The talk of lying that came later further suggests that.
D3, another oddity
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And as for Cheeetar's flip... well, he lied about his rolename, certainly. Unless Egbert is linked to communism in some way my research hasn't noted? If he lied about his role name, I'd guess he was anti-town in some way.
Seems self defensive, as if he worried that the town would question why Cheeetar had to die.
The last contentive post he had was agreement over a mass claim.
As I was doing a scan on Web, I noticed his attack on Leafsnail. At first, I was ready to shrug it off as silly till I spent a little time looking at it and realizing he might have a point. As such, I've been meaning to run this scan afterwards.
Now that I've done it, I see Leaf has proven to be very passive, using mostly arguments others have supplied but rephrasing it to sound like his own, bandwagoning and spending the rest of the time just talking about the cop situation. He was also VERY quick to think of himself as naive which turns the claim into a very big null tell since it's VERY easy for scum to just claim naive 'sane cop' after it was discussed on how there's a cop situation going on here. The request to mass claim is also meh since, even with many of us claiming already, there's little to gain for the town to share their PRs.
While it's neat to go figuring out what cop is who, the true game is in the scumhunt, and based on said hunt, I find Leafsnail to be far too passive for my liking.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2009, 04:48:08 pm
In any case, this is kind of ridiculous. Did you just forget about the game or are you lurking more than anyone I've ever seen?
Post by: Rysith on November 13, 2009, 10:36:54 am
With that, I'm going to unvote, since Nuke doesn't seem to be coming back, FOS Janus for the MC followed by the lurker lynch (blah blah killed a mafia blah blah third party etc.), and vote Leafsnail so that at least the person that dies will have some kind of evidence against them that we can go off of later. I'm worried that we still have the d6 deadline to deal with, and so we may be entering lylo, but I'd rather do so with more information than we'd get lynching a lurker. Plus, I suspect that we won't be losing "much", since I suspect that he's naive.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 13, 2009, 11:45:09 am
On the other hand... Rysith, you seem to think I'm town, and yet you're voting for me. "He has a useless role" is not justification for a lynch, especially if you're more suspicious of someone else. In fact, the only reason you seem to be voting me rather than Janus or Nuke is that Dakarian voted me first.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 13, 2009, 11:48:50 am
Post by: ToonyMan on November 13, 2009, 12:19:52 pm
VOTE COUNT:
Rysith - eduren, Leafsnail [2]
NUKE9.13 - JanusTwoFace [1]
Leafsnail - dakarian, Rysith [2]
Not Voting - Everyone Else [4]
Prod to NUKE will be sent. Sharply.
~Day End Today In Eight Hours~
Post by: dakarian on November 13, 2009, 12:41:06 pm
Yes, I have been lurking. I'm not exactly sure why; this game just doesn't seem to hold my interest, and not much has been happening.
On the other hand... Rysith, you seem to think I'm town, and yet you're voting for me. "He has a useless role" is not justification for a lynch, especially if you're more suspicious of someone else. In fact, the only reason you seem to be voting me rather than Janus or Nuke is that Dakarian voted me first.
Deflection noted. I don't hunt lurkers, and it's not lurking that I'm voting you on.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 13, 2009, 07:29:18 pm
VOTE COUNT:
Rysith - eduren, Leafsnail [2]
NUKE9.13 - JanusTwoFace [1]
Leafsnail - dakarian, Rysith [2]
Not Voting - Everyone Else [4]
~Day End Today In THIRTY MINUTES~
Post by: dakarian on November 13, 2009, 08:11:17 pm
Let's NOT No lynch!
Post by: ToonyMan on November 13, 2009, 08:12:56 pm
Request a 3 hour extension!
Let's NOT No lynch!
Technically out of time, but what the hay.
THREE MORE HOURS.
Post by: dakarian on November 13, 2009, 08:34:12 pm
Yes, I have been lurking. I'm not exactly sure why; this game just doesn't seem to hold my interest, and not much has been happening.
On the other hand... Rysith, you seem to think I'm town, and yet you're voting for me. "He has a useless role" is not justification for a lynch, especially if you're more suspicious of someone else. In fact, the only reason you seem to be voting me rather than Janus or Nuke is that Dakarian voted me first.
Take note: THIS is the vote that tied us up and almost left us as a No Lynch.
He dropped that vote down just to save his own hide!
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 13, 2009, 08:39:38 pm
Leafsnail, you've been lurking (by your own admission) and cast the vote to No Lynch, so yeah. Dead. vote Leafsnail. I'm a little suspicious of dakarian now though, I'll explain more tomorrow (game time; he's not getting lynched today).
Really, this game is just getting a little too lurky in general. My academic quarter just ended, so I'll be much more active for the next two weeks. We'll see if we can kick this game into a little more action.
Post by: webadict on November 13, 2009, 09:26:39 pm
Post by: Rysith on November 14, 2009, 01:31:37 am
Yes, I have been lurking. I'm not exactly sure why; this game just doesn't seem to hold my interest, and not much has been happening.
On the other hand... Rysith, you seem to think I'm town, and yet you're voting for me. "He has a useless role" is not justification for a lynch, especially if you're more suspicious of someone else. In fact, the only reason you seem to be voting me rather than Janus or Nuke is that Dakarian voted me first.
The day hasn't technically ended yet, so I'll go ahead and respond.
When I voted you, I wasn't sure if you were town or scum. You were lurking, Dakarian had put forward something of an attack on you, and I didn't want the day to end with an exclusively lurker lynch, especially if the d6 deadline is still present. It also wasn't that I was more suspicious of someone else, since I wasn't that suspicious of Nuke either. You'll note that I voted him early in the day to try to provoke some activity from him. In any case, if you flipped town, we'd be able to hold Dakarian accountable for it, and wouldn't have lost a major power role. If you flipped scum, hooray! Thus, I saw voting to lynch you as better for the town than keeping my vote and letting things end with Nuke's lynch.
With your response and counter-vote, though, I can confidently vote you as anti-town, whatever your alignment-flip is. You voted to turn things into a no-lynch, among the worst possible outcomes for the town, rather than be lynched. What I wanted was someone to be lynched who's lynch would give the town information by association. Nuke's wouldn't, yours would, and a no-lynch definitely wouldn't. The town plays as a team and that was you playing as an individual, which to me is a lynchable offense.
I suspect that I agree with what Janus was going to say about Dakarian, but I also agree with him that that's something to discuss tomorrow. Maybe we'll even get some actual activity going, which would be great.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 14, 2009, 04:19:16 am
Post by: ToonyMan on November 14, 2009, 12:23:13 pm
VOTE COUNT:
Rysith - eduren, Leafsnail [2]
Leafsnail - dakarian, Rysith, JanusTwoFace, Webadict [4]
Not Voting - Everyone Else [3]
I fell asleep, oh well.
~IT IS NOW NIGHT~
Post by: ToonyMan on November 15, 2009, 03:44:42 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 15, 2009, 04:45:59 pm
~DAY 4 START~
Nobody has died. Dead-line will come later when I see how activity is. BE ACTIVE PEOPLE.
Post by: Vector on November 15, 2009, 04:48:11 pm
Post by: Eduren on November 15, 2009, 05:05:59 pm
Post by: Vector on November 15, 2009, 05:08:01 pm
I am now certain that I am Paranoid.
What makes you think that?
Post by: Eduren on November 15, 2009, 05:22:06 pm
"Dakarian must be mafia, I can feel it. It is imperative that he is mafia"
then I do my investigation,
"I knew it! He is mafia!"
My first investigation had hints of this as did my third, but my paranoia seems to have progressed as the days went by. I am no longer taking stock in my investigations and neither should anybody else.
Post by: dakarian on November 15, 2009, 06:08:46 pm
Innocent on Rysith.
So I got Guilty on Web, Innocent on myself, and Innocent on Rysith.
I'm willing test my investigation now.
Post by: Vector on November 15, 2009, 06:11:19 pm
I'm not paranoid.
Innocent on Rysith.
So I got Guilty on Web, Innocent on myself, and Innocent on Rysith.
I'm willing test my investigation now.
Yeah. I think I'm insane. I also think that Web should die.
Post by: Eduren on November 15, 2009, 07:47:51 pm
So in order to get people talking, Janus: You claimed to have a case against Dakarian yesterday. Care to elaborate now?
Post by: webadict on November 16, 2009, 02:00:57 pm
Webadict, you're being lurktastic. Are you actually even playing this game, anymore?I am still without a computer.
But thank you for bandwagonning me with a reason AFTER you voted me.
Post by: Vector on November 16, 2009, 05:02:54 pm
Webadict, you're being lurktastic. Are you actually even playing this game, anymore?I am still without a computer.
But thank you for bandwagonning me with a reason AFTER you voted me.
You're welcome.
My investigation inclines me to think that you are scum, though of course the investigation could be random, in which case we are no farther ahead than we were previously. Cripes.
Post by: Rysith on November 16, 2009, 09:33:36 pm
My investigation inclines me to think that you are scum, though of course the investigation could be random, in which case we are no farther ahead than we were previously. Cripes.
Scum on webadict would be three mafia results (Me, Dak, and Web) in a two-mafia-remaining game, indicating paranoid or random, wouldn't it?
With leafsnail as a flipped naive cop, we can conclude that Archangel was a sane sane cop. That leaves us with two paranoid (Eduren/Vector) and one random/sane.
Potentially in Janus's place, I'm going to lay out the concerns that I had about Dakarian yesterday. He's all but taken leadership of the town, and he's pushed both the D2 and D3 lynches. He now looks to be the only (possibly) sane cop around, and we just mislynched Leaf. If we lynch webadict today and he flops town, he can claim random cop as an out. In other words, it's that Dakarian is either a townie cop trying to play a good game despite the rest of the town's lurkerdom, or he's a scum who's taken an opportunity to drive the town and run with it. It's a "do we actually trust this person?" question, since following him if he is scum may well doom the town.
I suspect that the game may be set to end on the 6th day regardless of John Egbert's presence, and so I'm treating where we are as being at lylo (since we've got two mafia and two days left to kill them in). Dakarian, do you trust your investigation enough to run with it in lylo?
And Webadict: Why the horrible deflection? Town or scum, I know you're a better mafia player than that.
Post by: dakarian on November 16, 2009, 09:43:43 pm
When I'm the only one leading, Bad Things happen. Still, I'll do what I can.
2. Everything else would be a random vote compared to Web. That he ignored me and just went for an easy attack helps the argument though.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 16, 2009, 09:44:36 pm
MORE ACTIVITY PLEASE.
Post by: Vector on November 16, 2009, 09:52:39 pm
My investigation inclines me to think that you are scum, though of course the investigation could be random, in which case we are no farther ahead than we were previously. Cripes.
Scum on webadict would be three mafia results (Me, Dak, and Web) in a two-mafia-remaining game, indicating paranoid or random, wouldn't it?
I am insane.
Ooglety-boogle-boogle, and a cornucopia of rainhats.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 16, 2009, 10:00:52 pm
I'm willing to trust Dakarian/Vector here; webadict seems guilty.
Post by: Rysith on November 17, 2009, 10:49:27 am
1. I lead because no one else is. I tend to like being able to attack and push while others aim at other people. I can then take an analysis of everyone and go from there.
When I'm the only one leading, Bad Things happen. Still, I'll do what I can.
2. Everything else would be a random vote compared to Web. That he ignored me and just went for an easy attack helps the argument though.
I agree on both points, and I'm not faulting you for leading. I think that we have some other people who wouldn't be random votes (Janus for MC and third vote on Leafsnail, for example).
Post by: webadict on November 17, 2009, 11:45:43 am
I ran out of time for a real answer.My investigation inclines me to think that you are scum, though of course the investigation could be random, in which case we are no farther ahead than we were previously. Cripes.
Scum on webadict would be three mafia results (Me, Dak, and Web) in a two-mafia-remaining game, indicating paranoid or random, wouldn't it?
With leafsnail as a flipped naive cop, we can conclude that Archangel was a sane sane cop. That leaves us with two paranoid (Eduren/Vector) and one random/sane.
Potentially in Janus's place, I'm going to lay out the concerns that I had about Dakarian yesterday. He's all but taken leadership of the town, and he's pushed both the D2 and D3 lynches. He now looks to be the only (possibly) sane cop around, and we just mislynched Leaf. If we lynch webadict today and he flops town, he can claim random cop as an out. In other words, it's that Dakarian is either a townie cop trying to play a good game despite the rest of the town's lurkerdom, or he's a scum who's taken an opportunity to drive the town and run with it. It's a "do we actually trust this person?" question, since following him if he is scum may well doom the town.
I suspect that the game may be set to end on the 6th day regardless of John Egbert's presence, and so I'm treating where we are as being at lylo (since we've got two mafia and two days left to kill them in). Dakarian, do you trust your investigation enough to run with it in lylo?
And Webadict: Why the horrible deflection? Town or scum, I know you're a better mafia player than that.
And I'm still trying to figure something out.
Leafsnail had to've been lying when he said I was innocent... Because my role... doesn't allow that?
I still don't know how Vector keeps getting innocent either... I must've misinterpreted my role.
I'm Will Smith. Because I'm black, I'm supposed to come up as guilty to ALL inspects. I thought that meant ALL inspects (I thought even Naive Cops would get Guilty), so I went after Leafsnail because he got innocent. After that, I'm thinking I have no clue.
... It's still not very clear in my role PM.
Post by: Vector on November 17, 2009, 12:01:02 pm
Honestly, though, I'm inclined to believe you--which means that we need to find someone else on our ginormo list of people who is scum, and quickly. Unvote.
Webadict - also think he is town.
Vector - insane cop
Rysith - think he is town.
NUKE9.13 - absent.
JanusTwoFace - possibly pulling a Bay12 gambit
eduren - Paranoid cop? Acting like town-eduren
Apostolic Nihilist - tends to be pretty scummy as town, but I think he's scum from his behavior D1/other things I know of him.
dakarian - WTF cop? Do not trust my reads on him, completely opaque. Inspection implies town.
I think I've got it narrowed down to three (likely) people:
JanusTwoFace, NUKE, and Apostolic Nihilist.
Post by: dakarian on November 17, 2009, 12:32:25 pm
I'd still put my money on Web rather than Nihilst. Will Smith is an awesome claim (btw, Naive would ALWAYS see innocent, even to millers) but I just can't feel it. The confusion he has and the lack of a strong hunt, even considering his lack of access, bothers me far too much.
Post by: Vector on November 17, 2009, 12:36:05 pm
Nuke has just plain gone AWOL and not just from this game. He's a few hours from getting force subbed from NSBM.
I'd still put my money on Web rather than Nihilst. Will Smith is an awesome claim (btw, Naive would ALWAYS see innocent, even to millers) but I just can't feel it. The confusion he has and the lack of a strong hunt, even considering his lack of access, bothers me far too much.
I haven't seen a strong hunt anywhere, and I'm inclined to feel that the confusion is genuine. Also, that sounds like an extremely Toony role.
What do you think about Nihilist?
Post by: dakarian on November 17, 2009, 12:52:23 pm
Thinking of Web and Pandar staging a fight the way Cheeetar said it earlier is kooky but not THAT bad in comparison, and the skill level required for it is appropriate for those two.
Post by: Vector on November 17, 2009, 01:55:40 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2009, 03:32:12 pm
This is actually getting pretty frustrating, its like Day1 every day.
So in order to get people talking, Janus: You claimed to have a case against Dakarian yesterday. Care to elaborate now?
I agree with it getting frustrating.
So far as Dakarian, I don't have a solid case per say. He's just been trying awfully hard compared to everone else. So I'm getting a vibe of trying to lead the town around. Partially, it's understandable because most of the town is burning out, but also, there's no real sense of urgency. It's kind of strange.
Nuke has just plain gone AWOL and not just from this game. He's a few hours from getting force subbed from NSBM.
I'm guessing you prodded him Toony? Is there some sort of clock till bad things happen?
Meh. In any case, I want him to get out here and help us scumhunt. I vaguely suspect JanusTwoFace of trying to turn himself into a confirmed townie, so he's probably our best bet for now. I agree with most others that his proposed role is a bit ridiculous.
I'm trying to help... The role that I stated is exactly what I had. To be honest, if I hadn't actually hit scum the first time, I'm not sure that I'd believe that there even were any scum, it's been too quiet.
With that being said, I'm curious. Do you (plural) think that the game timer is set on the number of days rather than killing off the town? Because that would explain the lack of mafia kills.
Also, it would invalidate my plan. I was planning on calling for No Lynch until someone actually got killed (somehow) by the mafia, but that may not be so shiny an idea as I had thought.
Post by: dakarian on November 17, 2009, 03:36:48 pm
There's a good few ways for the mafia to win without a nightly kill.
So, no, we can't just play around.
Sidenote: I'll remember this for future bastard games - no NK = town grows soft.
I stand by my vote.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2009, 03:38:44 pm
Dakarian: I'm getting to be inclined to agree with you. Webadict seems to have had a personality transplant at least once during this game. I didn't think that both Pandarsenic and webadict would be scum, but it's possible.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 17, 2009, 06:24:05 pm
VOTE COUNT:
webadict - dakarian, Apostolic [2]
Apostolic - Vector [1]
Not Voting - Everyone Else [5]
NUKE9.13 will be prodded a second time.
~Day End Thursday 8 PM EST~
Post by: Vector on November 17, 2009, 06:24:53 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 17, 2009, 06:26:28 pm
I think eduren is on Webadict.
Huh?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 17, 2009, 06:29:17 pm
Last Active: November 14, 2009, 09:13:21 AM
NUKE9.13 hasn't even been here for three days. This is a problem.
Post by: Eduren on November 17, 2009, 06:33:43 pm
VOTE COUNT:
webadict - dakarian, Apostolic, eduren [3]
Apostolic - Vector [1]
Not Voting - Everyone Else [4]
NUKE9.13 will be prodded a second time.~Day End Thursday 8 PM EST~
I think eduren is on Webadict.What are you two smoking? I'm not voting Web. ???
Post by: ToonyMan on November 17, 2009, 06:36:35 pm
I was right the first time.
Post by: Vector on November 17, 2009, 06:48:39 pm
Post by: Rysith on November 17, 2009, 09:56:34 pm
With that being said, I'm curious. Do you (plural) think that the game timer is set on the number of days rather than killing off the town? Because that would explain the lack of mafia kills.
Also, it would invalidate my plan. I was planning on calling for No Lynch until someone actually got killed (somehow) by the mafia, but that may not be so shiny an idea as I had thought.
I can think of two problems with that. First, if the mafia is something like an arson group, we no-lynch until we all go up in flames. Second, an analysis of my role and it's implications indicates that the game was intended to end on day 6, even in the absence of Cheeetar.
I think that we're not seeing the town going soft as much as the town suffering from a lack of information. Normally, we'd have two kills a day to go on, one of which would be chosen by the mafia. Here, we've got one kill a day (making it effectively D2), but the mafia isn't choosing any of them. That makes it hard to reason about their motives.
Given what we've heard thus far, I think we can conclude that the investigations last night went
Dakarian | Leafsnail | Eduren | Archangel | Vector
Web-G | Web-I | Janus-G | none | Rysith-G
Dak-I | Vect-I | Vect-G | none | Dak-G
Rysith-I | none | ?-G | none | Web-I
Sane/Rand | Naive | Para | Sane | Insane
That would seem to point away from either Vector or Dak being random (since they agree over three, which is unlikely), and Vector being the insane one would imply that Dak was sane. Web's claim would fit with innocence, if we believed that naive overrode his auto-guilt. That puts us halfway through and we only get to kill half of them.
Webadict - T?
Vector - T?
Rysith -T?
NUKE9.13
JanusTwoFace
eduren
Apostolic Nihilist
dakarian - T?
I suspect that Janus isn't scum (though he may be yellow) for his claim of Pandar's kill and seeming one-shot nature of it. If he is a town-blocking yellow and things do end on day 6, we've already lost, so I'm going to discount that option for now. Nuke seems completely gone, leaving Eduren and AN. Eduren's been at least seeming to be open about his status, and was third to claim sane cop (a risky move if he was mafia) so I'm going to vote Apostolic Nihilist unless someone can show a better approach.
Post by: webadict on November 17, 2009, 10:43:47 pm
I highly doubt an arson mafia. That'd still be an NK to ToonyMan. No, likely they have some other abilities that can be activated that'll confirm people.With that being said, I'm curious. Do you (plural) think that the game timer is set on the number of days rather than killing off the town? Because that would explain the lack of mafia kills.
Also, it would invalidate my plan. I was planning on calling for No Lynch until someone actually got killed (somehow) by the mafia, but that may not be so shiny an idea as I had thought.
I can think of two problems with that. First, if the mafia is something like an arson group, we no-lynch until we all go up in flames. Second, an analysis of my role and it's implications indicates that the game was intended to end on day 6, even in the absence of Cheeetar.
I think that we're not seeing the town going soft as much as the town suffering from a lack of information. Normally, we'd have two kills a day to go on, one of which would be chosen by the mafia. Here, we've got one kill a day (making it effectively D2), but the mafia isn't choosing any of them. That makes it hard to reason about their motives.
And yes, there's too little information. By having the mafia kill, it gives the town information, which we aren't getting.
And as for my role, it said ALL inspections. I thought it MEANT all, and not just the innocent as Insane or Naive.
And how do you know the game will end on Day 6?
Post by: Rysith on November 17, 2009, 11:14:44 pm
And as for my role, it said ALL inspections. I thought it MEANT all, and not just the innocent as Insane or Naive.
And how do you know the game will end on Day 6?
I suspect you show up innocent to Naive (since they get everyone innocent), guilty to Paranoid (since they get everyone guilty), guilty to sane (because you're a miller), and innocent to insane (because you'd be guilty).
As I said, it's from an analysis of my role. To explain it, I'd basically have to claim. If that's what people would like me to do, I will, but I'm not going to do that on the basis of one request.
And I doubt the confirming-bit, since Toony said that he wasn't even sure if it would come up this game. If it is, that would imply a mass-confirm.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 17, 2009, 11:25:26 pm
I don't think we should immediately write down webadict as being town, though. Claims are simple to forge, after all.
There's no way to verify his claim so I suggest we take it with a grain of salt.
What would town do if they were investigated and had a role that made them show up guilty?
They'd claim, of course.
What would scum do?
They'd fake claim. There's no other action to take. It's almost the only way to defend yourself.
His claim doesn't change my perception of the situation at all.
And I'd rather not waste a lynch on myself: if we do have a 6D time limit, we don't have many more mislynches left.
No matter who's lynched, though, I suggest the (useful) cops investigate either me/eduren/NUKE.
I'd say Janus, but we should prioritize scum firstly.
Post by: Vector on November 17, 2009, 11:59:03 pm
Apost, I'm almost 100% certain you're scum. Why is that? Well, it's because you're displaying your bonafide scumtell.
When you're scum and being accused, you chop your posts up like this. When you're town and being accused, you write in nice paragraphs.
Sorry, but I don't buy it.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 18, 2009, 12:03:00 am
Rereading BM3 I realized my style of posting was painful to read (at least on wide resolutions), so I copied your's.
Post by: Vector on November 18, 2009, 12:08:52 am
No, it's just refinement.
Rereading BM3 I realized my style of posting was painful to read (at least on wide resolutions), so I copied your's.
....
Well, okay, then. I suppose my post-style looks rather funkalicious, in that case, and I'll submit here that I didn't see you post like this in BYOR. However, I noticed a distinct increase in choppiness whenever you were worried. So I'm sticking on you, partially because I'm wondering if you'll slip more.
Post by: Rysith on November 18, 2009, 01:31:07 am
What would scum do?
They'd fake claim. There's no other action to take. It's almost the only way to defend yourself.
His claim doesn't change my perception of the situation at all.
And I'd rather not waste a lynch on myself: if we do have a 6D time limit, we don't have many more mislynches left.
No matter who's lynched, though, I suggest the (useful) cops investigate either me/eduren/NUKE.
I'd say Janus, but we should prioritize scum firstly.
So, who's scum? You are obviously claiming town for yourself, and with me, Vector, and Dakarian as town you've got four left. If you are town, please try to contribute to the discussion.
I'll go ahead and point out the seeming-unawareness of how many mislynches remain, and the non-voting OMGUS as further scum tells.
Post by: Rysith on November 18, 2009, 01:33:07 am
Post by: dakarian on November 18, 2009, 08:32:06 am
Besides, when I found Web guilty the first time, the assumption wasn't that I was sane and he was miller-it was that I may be paranoid or random.
If he was always a miller, wouldn't he come in saying "you might be sane then"?
Post by: webadict on November 18, 2009, 04:25:12 pm
The claim fits nicely with what's going on. It's, however, dangerous to mark someone town just because the claim fits. Those coming from BYOR:ExKirby has seen that in action.... My problem is that I'm not sure why everyone is just taking my claim at first glance. I wouldn't. Nobody even seems to be pushing really hard about it. It'd be like me making the word Quizzical in Scrabble. Sure, it's possible, but I'd really like to know how I got 2 Z's, a Q, and 8 letters?
Besides, when I found Web guilty the first time, the assumption wasn't that I was sane and he was miller-it was that I may be paranoid or random.
If he was always a miller, wouldn't he come in saying "you might be sane then"?
Just because it fits doesn't mean you can't make sure.
So, yeah, I was really hoping I wouldn't have to claim, and I was hoping you were Paranoid or Random, because it'd make much more sense and we'd be actually playing the game. It seems we're relying on PRs more than actual gameplay BECAUSE of the lack of NK.
Hm... Well, for me innocent would mean guilty.I'm just going to push you a little bit.
Honestly, though, I'm inclined to believe you--which means that we need to find someone else on our ginormo list of people who is scum, and quickly. Unvote.
Webadict - also think he is town.
Vector - insane cop
Rysith - think he is town.
NUKE9.13 - absent.
JanusTwoFace - possibly pulling a Bay12 gambit
eduren - Paranoid cop? Acting like town-eduren
Apostolic Nihilist - tends to be pretty scummy as town, but I think he's scum from his behavior D1/other things I know of him.
dakarian - WTF cop? Do not trust my reads on him, completely opaque. Inspection implies town.
I think I've got it narrowed down to three (likely) people:
JanusTwoFace, NUKE, and Apostolic Nihilist.
Post by: Vector on November 18, 2009, 04:30:06 pm
I'm just going to push you a little bit.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Go for it. You may scare me, but it'll be better for the town if someone presses me some.
Post by: webadict on November 18, 2009, 04:47:37 pm
Okay then: What do you think of how Day 1 ended?I'm just going to push you a little bit.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Go for it. You may scare me, but it'll be better for the town if someone presses me some.
Post by: Vector on November 18, 2009, 05:35:57 pm
Okay then: What do you think of how Day 1 ended?
I have mixed feelings on it. The part where we converged on so many different people and then forgot about them worries me, as did the fact that Pandarsenic was able to lead an Archangel lynch. On the one hand, we managed to get rid of a chronic lurker; on the other hand, it means that the town was being far too passive and bandwagony.
I also looked back at AN's posts when he was being attacked that day. Same choppiness. I think Pandarsenic was considering bussing him, but when the town abandoned him for Archangel, he happily left the bandwagon.
Post by: Rysith on November 18, 2009, 10:49:04 pm
... My problem is that I'm not sure why everyone is just taking my claim at first glance. I wouldn't. Nobody even seems to be pushing really hard about it. It'd be like me making the word Quizzical in Scrabble. Sure, it's possible, but I'd really like to know how I got 2 Z's, a Q, and 8 letters?
Just because it fits doesn't mean you can't make sure.
So, yeah, I was really hoping I wouldn't have to claim, and I was hoping you were Paranoid or Random, because it'd make much more sense and we'd be actually playing the game. It seems we're relying on PRs more than actual gameplay BECAUSE of the lack of NK.
Well, there isn't much else to go on. The lynches have been fairly unopposed, we can't look at people who attacked people who were killed, etc.
I trust your claim because it seems to fit what we know of the setup, seems like a toony-kind of role, and fits into a theme suggested by my role. All three of those, I think, lessen the chance that it's a false-claim.
Post by: webadict on November 19, 2009, 09:34:49 am
...Are you yellow?... My problem is that I'm not sure why everyone is just taking my claim at first glance. I wouldn't. Nobody even seems to be pushing really hard about it. It'd be like me making the word Quizzical in Scrabble. Sure, it's possible, but I'd really like to know how I got 2 Z's, a Q, and 8 letters?
Just because it fits doesn't mean you can't make sure.
So, yeah, I was really hoping I wouldn't have to claim, and I was hoping you were Paranoid or Random, because it'd make much more sense and we'd be actually playing the game. It seems we're relying on PRs more than actual gameplay BECAUSE of the lack of NK.
Well, there isn't much else to go on. The lynches have been fairly unopposed, we can't look at people who attacked people who were killed, etc.
I trust your claim because it seems to fit what we know of the setup, seems like a toony-kind of role, and fits into a theme suggested by my role. All three of those, I think, lessen the chance that it's a false-claim.
Post by: Rysith on November 19, 2009, 10:56:00 am
...Are you yellow?
No, I'm pro-town. However, the idea of another pro-town actor who is a miller (only a miller?) in a game what for the most part has been revolving around the sanity of our cops, with toony-like logic, makes it seem like it's less likely to be fake.
I am curious to know what you meant the morning of D2 when you accused Dakarian immediately, which would seem to imply a role beyond just miller.
Post by: dakarian on November 19, 2009, 11:15:01 am
@WebI've been thinking and I'm pretty sure that the name of the role itself is Sane Cop, and in no way affects its alignment. But, your role PM leads me to believe you're Paranoid, as opposed to Insane, and that these PMs might give an idea for what sanity you are.
I was thinking of your quote actually when I wrote it. It's true, though: I haven't seen an OMGUS actually catch scum yet. Closest I've seen is in BM2 when Pandar(scum) was randomvoted and Diakron(scum) voted back to attack.
As for the cop matter.. I wasn't thinking townie (vector IIRC brought that up, and it makes sense now). I WAS thinking Dephy though and, honestly, I'm still pondering if the cops all have various sanities.
It wasn't so much the Arch death that made me target you: I did believe you when you said you had no other targets. You were inspected because, frankly, you're Webadict who's reputation has ended up with a game dedicated to trying to actually kill you off. So I investigated, was told you were "obviously mafia", saw the mafia die N2, then my gut screamed "something is #&(*%$# wrong here".
I'm glad I told, in the end. It ended up confirming just how the game is being run, gave us a small puzzle to solve that won't take up too much time from the town, and all with plenty of time in the day to go scumhunting.
As for believing Janus: I learned the bay 12 lesson of 'role proof =! alignment proof'. I also know, though, that Josh needed 3 full days to fully ripen his scuminess and that going after him before then would've been just WIFOM. Janus was my prime target in D1. That he is claiming a kill no one else will claim means all that is softened, but we'll see more as the days go by. I won't drink the Wine when I have a stronger choice in my sights.
Web.. web dear. Something bugs me about this.
"my role PM leads you to believe I'm Paranoid, as opposed to Insane".
Given that statement, it suggests that I saw you as Guilty because I'm seeing EVERYONE as guilty or else seeing Town as scum and the other way around.
In order to believe that I'm insane, that would mean that a truly sane cop would view you as Town.
But now you claim a miller role.
If you ARE a miller, your text would read like this:
"I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure that the name of the role itself is Sane Cop, and in no way affects its alignment. But, your role PM leads me to believe you're Paranoid or Random, as opposed to Sane, and that these PMs might give an idea for what sanity you are."
D2 you were Town and I was insane or paranoid. Today I'm sane and you're a miller.
I believe I'm done now.
@Everyone
Please read my argument against Webadict, particularly his claim and how it works with how he argued with me before.
If there is a flaw in my argument, please show it so I can make my statements more clear or reassess my stance.
If you find that I make sense and you aren't sure, please post to web with your question or accusation so that you can be sure one way or the other.
If you find my argument sound and have no further questions, then please vote for webadict and let's finish this day.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 19, 2009, 12:42:10 pm
I'll be online the rest of the day to respond to comments, but I may take a bit. I'm working on applications to graduate school... Great fun.
Post by: webadict on November 19, 2009, 12:58:06 pm
... So... instead of trying to scumhunt, we should, in fact, care about what alignment you are?@WebI've been thinking and I'm pretty sure that the name of the role itself is Sane Cop, and in no way affects its alignment. But, your role PM leads me to believe you're Paranoid, as opposed to Insane, and that these PMs might give an idea for what sanity you are.
I was thinking of your quote actually when I wrote it. It's true, though: I haven't seen an OMGUS actually catch scum yet. Closest I've seen is in BM2 when Pandar(scum) was randomvoted and Diakron(scum) voted back to attack.
As for the cop matter.. I wasn't thinking townie (vector IIRC brought that up, and it makes sense now). I WAS thinking Dephy though and, honestly, I'm still pondering if the cops all have various sanities.
It wasn't so much the Arch death that made me target you: I did believe you when you said you had no other targets. You were inspected because, frankly, you're Webadict who's reputation has ended up with a game dedicated to trying to actually kill you off. So I investigated, was told you were "obviously mafia", saw the mafia die N2, then my gut screamed "something is #&(*%$# wrong here".
I'm glad I told, in the end. It ended up confirming just how the game is being run, gave us a small puzzle to solve that won't take up too much time from the town, and all with plenty of time in the day to go scumhunting.
As for believing Janus: I learned the bay 12 lesson of 'role proof =! alignment proof'. I also know, though, that Josh needed 3 full days to fully ripen his scuminess and that going after him before then would've been just WIFOM. Janus was my prime target in D1. That he is claiming a kill no one else will claim means all that is softened, but we'll see more as the days go by. I won't drink the Wine when I have a stronger choice in my sights.
Web.. web dear. Something bugs me about this.
"my role PM leads you to believe I'm Paranoid, as opposed to Insane".
Given that statement, it suggests that I saw you as Guilty because I'm seeing EVERYONE as guilty or else seeing Town as scum and the other way around.
In order to believe that I'm insane, that would mean that a truly sane cop would view you as Town.
But now you claim a miller role.
If you ARE a miller, your text would read like this:
"I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure that the name of the role itself is Sane Cop, and in no way affects its alignment. But, your role PM leads me to believe you're Paranoid or Random, as opposed to Sane, and that these PMs might give an idea for what sanity you are."
D2 you were Town and I was insane or paranoid. Today I'm sane and you're a miller.
I believe I'm done now.
@Everyone
Please read my argument against Webadict, particularly his claim and how it works with how he argued with me before.
If there is a flaw in my argument, please show it so I can make my statements more clear or reassess my stance.
If you find that I make sense and you aren't sure, please post to web with your question or accusation so that you can be sure one way or the other.
If you find my argument sound and have no further questions, then please vote for webadict and let's finish this day.
You're being ridiculous. I was pretty sure you were Paranoid, and so it didn't matter that I was a Miller. I figured I'd make a note about it and move on, because I don't care.
Heck, I'm still pretty sure you're a random Cop, because there's five Cops, and they're likely all different alignments. Gotta go though.
Post by: dakarian on November 19, 2009, 01:23:28 pm
No matter how it's swung, your claim came far too late to cover you now.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 19, 2009, 07:51:12 pm
VOTE COUNT:
webadict - dakarian, Apostolic, JanusTwoFace [3]
Apostolic - Vector, Rysith [2]
Not Voting - NUKE9.13, eduren, Webadict [3]
~Day End Today In One Hour~
I'll give you some extra time encase people want extensions.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 19, 2009, 08:05:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 19, 2009, 08:56:18 pm
The game is nearing its end.....
SEND IN NIGHT ACTIONS. LOCK.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2009, 08:47:39 pm
It's the last day, woooo
Post by: Vector on November 23, 2009, 08:48:58 pm
I'll start with my cop inspection--I've got JanusTwoFace theoretically cleared as town.
Post by: Rysith on November 23, 2009, 09:05:19 pm
It's the last day, woooo
Hah, I was right, we are ending on the morning of d6!
Dakarian | Leafsnail | Eduren | Archangel | Vector
Web-G | Web-I | Janus-G | none | Rysith-G
Dak-I | Vect-I | Vect-G | none | Dak-G
Rysith-I | none | ?-G | none | Web-I
Unknown | none | ?-G | none | Janus-G
Sane/Rand | Naive | Para | Sane | Insane
With that, assuming that Dakarian is Sane (and town) and Vector is Insane (and town), we've got me and Janus cleared. Unfortunately, we've got AN, Nuke, and Eduren (minus one, assuming Dakarian investigated someone last night) unknown. Assuming that Dakarian didn't hit the final scum last night, that leaves one in two. We can't double lynch, but since we know that there is at most one scum I'd suggest having the two unconfirmed people claim to someone, and work things out from there. Possibly, have the two unconfirmed people claim to multiple people (I'd say three, at least), since with at most one scum three people claimed to would hit at least two townies. Yes, I'm paranoid, but this is mafia.
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 09:26:09 pm
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 23, 2009, 09:28:48 pm
I have an ability that could help here; we can kill the both of them tonight.
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 09:29:55 pm
As heard long ago, I'm a cop and it looks like I'm sane.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 23, 2009, 09:34:11 pm
Perhaps the ultimate anti-buddying measure, but markedly useless in my hands this game.
It should be as simple as getting them both to compliment me then lynching one of them; I'll take out the other tonight.
Post by: Vector on November 23, 2009, 09:46:12 pm
Thus it's either Nuke or Eduren, assuming all cops are town.
I have an ability that could help here; we can kill the both of them tonight.
Assuming all cops are town, it's NUKE. So why don't we kill the dude?
Post by: Eduren on November 23, 2009, 10:02:27 pm
Post by: Rysith on November 23, 2009, 10:21:57 pm
Assuming all cops are town, it's NUKE. So why don't we kill the dude?
Because I don't think that that's a safe assumption to make.
I'm Bob Sagot, who I'm fairly sure is supposed to be Bob Saget. By acting happy and telling jokes, I can negate up to five votes on me (hence, the suspicion that the game would end d6: with d6, there would be 6 people alive, and I would be immune to lynches, which seems like the only source of kills.)
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 12:04:39 am
- We may not get a night phase. ToonyMan just said last day...
- I'm Team Fortress 2 Spy, as I mentioned what feels like years ago.
- If the cops are all town, Nuke or AN is the last scum.
- AN seems more scummy (probably because he's actually posted in the last two weeks).
- If the scum is a cop, then Dakarian is it. He's not Sane (Archangel was) and Random is somewhat odd to use (I wouldn't put it past ToonyMan though...).
- vote Apostolic Nihilist
Quote from: Mafiascum wiki
There is also the Random Cop, which is almost never used, because it's a bastard role and the randomness of the results prevents any valuable information from being gathered, including ones' own sanity. Games rarely last long enough to determine that results are truly random.
Mod: I'd really like to see Nuke either replaced or mod-killed. I'd prefer mod-killed, because we won't have a chance to read the replacement, but I understand if that kind of breaks the game. Also, major bad mojo (read: karma) for whoever keeps track of these things... (dakarian methinks)
Spoiler: Cop logic (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Scum logic (click to show/hide)
)Post by: Vector on November 24, 2009, 12:14:56 am
Post by: Rysith on November 24, 2009, 12:46:29 am
Random is somewhat odd to use (I wouldn't put it past ToonyMan though...).Toonyman would totally use Random. The only thing that bothers me there is the three correct cop results. Statistically that's one in 8, which I suppose I could buy.
I also don't feel like Dakarian is being scum-Dakarian in his leadership, especially as there would have been absolutely zero reason for him to bus webadict yesterday (since yesterday we were at two days and two scum, so a mislynch there would have won for a scum-dakarian as well). I'd third a vote for a Nuke-modkill, and then vote Apostolic Nihilist because I already suspected him most of the three we're looking at right now and Janus's argument seems reasonable.
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 01:21:11 am
I'm doubtful. The whole '1 cop of each type' came from Dephy and even I admit that's more for the kick of it than anything else.
Besides, Modkills are not done for the benefit of the town. We're not going to get a free kill off of Nuke. Instead, Toony will replace Nuke instead.
Thus I'm putting my money on Nuke instead. If I can score correct 4 times, then I'm either sane or so lucky I might as well be sane.
So @everyone, assuming we DON'T get a Modkill, do you still pick AN over Nuke?
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 01:31:28 am
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 01:41:52 am
First off, we need to give Toony insane props. Either he put in a Dephy inside a Toon Mafia or else he put in a red herringed version of one that messed the town up.
If the later, it's Powers That Be paying me back.
The argument is compelling and I don't have much to argue against it except my investigation. I still say 4 correct in a row is crazy for random but..meh, just MEH.
Unvote Nuke , Vote Nihilist.
Btw, if this succeeds I'll give up waiting for the 3rd vote scumtell to die.
Post by: Rysith on November 24, 2009, 01:49:38 am
The argument is compelling and I don't have much to argue against it except my investigation. I still say 4 correct in a row is crazy for random but..meh, just MEH.
It's one in 16. Not great odds, but certainly possible. That's also ignoring the possibility that you're a sane cop and he's a godfather, or something of that nature. Just as I thought that a miller in a cop-centric game was a strong possibility, a godfather seems like one as well.
Can someone go back and see if anyone has complimented AN this game at all? Given the lack of mafia-kills, I'd have to guess that he'd take them if he could get them, so compliment without a kill seems like it would be a point in his favor, except possibly on D1.
Post by: Vector on November 24, 2009, 02:08:26 am
Can someone go back and see if anyone has complimented AN this game at all? Given the lack of mafia-kills, I'd have to guess that he'd take them if he could get them, so compliment without a kill seems like it would be a point in his favor, except possibly on D1.
*siiiiiiiiiiigh*
Sure thing, doodabuddy. I'll take my copious free time and do that for ya. :)
Post by: ToonyMan on November 24, 2009, 11:55:14 am
VOTE COUNT:
NUKE9.13 - Vector [1]
Apostolic - JanusTwoFace, Rysith, dakarian [3]
Not Voting - Everyone Else [4]
Damn you NUKE, you're ruining the game....sigh...why don't you warn us before disappearing?
If I get a majority vote I'll mod-kill him.
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 12:02:52 pm
Vote Modkill on Nuke
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 12:07:13 pm
Vote Modkill on Nuke
Post by: Vector on November 24, 2009, 12:22:00 pm
Post by: Rysith on November 24, 2009, 12:23:48 pm
Post by: Eduren on November 24, 2009, 12:43:06 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 24, 2009, 12:49:55 pm
~TOWN WINS!~
This ending could have rocked too....oh well. Let me get the roles out.
DATA:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
) Twiggie - Donald Duck - YWinners:
Vector
Rysith
Archangel
Leafsnail
JanusTwoFace
eduren
Apostolic
dakarian
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 12:56:36 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 24, 2009, 12:58:29 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 12:59:51 pm
Turns out that your role would have been useful too. :P
Post by: Eduren on November 24, 2009, 01:00:19 pm
No longer will the deadly mafia just sit there and do nothing!
Post by: Mr.Person on November 24, 2009, 01:02:17 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 01:03:25 pm
Also, agree with Mr.Person. Without a Mafia nightkill, there was even less than usual to go on during the day.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2009, 01:05:16 pm
Plus Pandar was virtually unlynchable.
What did Nuke's power do? And were we right to lynch Cheeetar?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 24, 2009, 01:06:03 pm
Cheeetar was a liar.
Webadict had incredibly hard time getting people to swear at him SOME HOW.
EDIT:
Yeah, Pandarsenic was basically unlyncable BUT DIED THE FIRST NIGHT WHAT THE HELL MY MAFIA ARE SO UNLUCKY.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 01:11:13 pm
- Nuke didn't show for about 2 weeks or we would have been short two more townies.
- You managed to put the two most likely people to swear on the scum team (webadict and Pandarsenic) so webadict was less powerful.
- Pandarsenic couldn't be (easily lynched), but I blasted him N1 with my (one shot) kill.
That's amazing how unlucky the mafia got... :D
Makes me feel a little bit better about game balance, even if it was still odd.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 01:13:34 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2009, 01:13:56 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 01:22:01 pm
In truth though, the only reason why An was considered was because Nuke wasn't there to drop scumtells.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 01:24:36 pm
I KNEW IT I KNEW I WAS SANE!!
In truth though, the only reason why An was considered was because Nuke wasn't there to drop scumtells.
You're somewhat lucky that I didn't manage to convince myself that you were the last scum. I was thinking it for 2-3 game days, but I never was sure enough to push it... :P Turned out all right in the end though.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 24, 2009, 01:25:50 pm
Quote from: ToonyMan, from a PM
Alright, here we go.
This is the mafia roles:
Will Ferral - Once per game, if there is two or more people voting for you, you may PM me the names of TWO of them. Their PM roles will be revealed and everyone will be told who revealed them (you).
Will Smith - If someone directs a swear at you, you may kill them during the night. If more than one does, you may choose one.
The God Damn WorkerDrone - The angrier you are the less votes on you. Even better if you DO A RANT. You can get a maximum of 5 votes off you if you act LIKE EXPLOSIVE RAEG. I'll do my best to judge. Being happy doesn't give you votes so don't worry.
Town roles:
Sane Cop - You're a sane cop, for real. Can't have this type of mafia without a honest cop to stop scum like a vig!
Sane Cop - You're a sane cop, for real. Can't have this type of mafia without a honest cop to stop scum like a vig!
(In)Sane Cop - You're a sane cop, for real. Can't have this type of mafia without a honest cop to stop scum like a vig!
Bob Sagot - The happier you are the less votes on you. Even better if you tell a good joke. You can get a maximum of 5 votes off you if you act super happy. I'll do my best to judge. Being unhappy doesn't give you votes so don't worry.
Billy Bob Thorton - If someone compliments you in the day, you may kill them during the night. If more than one person compliments you, choose one. Try to be nice!
TF2 Spy - One time during the game you may go to someone during the night and either...
1. Kill them if they're Mafia.
or
2. Find out they're Town and go back home.
Sane (Paranoid) Cop - You're a sane cop, for real. Can't have this type of mafia without a honest cop to stop scum like a vig!
Sane (Naive) Cop - You're a sane cop, for real. Can't have this type of mafia without a honest cop to stop scum like a vig.
Yellow Guys (Serial Killers, Survivors):
John Egbert - Retrieve your pogo hammer. One of the others have it! Each night you may check one person for it. You'll leave when you find it and win. The person with the pogo hammer will be killed when you take it. If the person with the pogo hammer dies....it's all over. You'll just leave and lose. The person with the pogo hammer is told they have it.
Donald Duck - Your goal is to survive to the end of the game anyway possible. You have a one-time ability that you can use during the night on someone, which will either...
1. Find out if they're Mafia or Town.
2. Kill them.
The result is 50/50. Completely random.
KEEP YA MOTH SHOT.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 24, 2009, 01:27:57 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
FAKE-EDIT:
:[
I forgot I did that.....
Post by: webadict on November 24, 2009, 01:29:43 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 01:34:07 pm
Why in the samhain did he claim that!?
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2009, 01:36:25 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 01:44:50 pm
It was rigged when we found out no one swears at me.
Well gosh dang you to heck webadict, I guess I could have been angrier at you... :P
Also, turns out that being over angry is actually a scumtell... At least when you have a role that makes it so.
And does this count as an actual staged fight between scum?
Post by: Vector on November 24, 2009, 01:55:00 pm
It was rigged when we found out no one swears at me.
I'm pretty sure you could have gotten me to blow up. Just needed to prod a bit more.
"I'm going to press you just a little, okay?"
Jeez. If you were trying to get me to curse at you, that is just about the mildest way to do it I've ever seen.
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 02:14:45 pm
Also it means Cheeetar successfully caught BOTH of them.
Post by: webadict on November 24, 2009, 02:24:12 pm
Yes, the web/pandarsenic fight was the first documented staged fight between scum.Haha... Yeah...
Also it means Cheeetar successfully caught BOTH of them.
And then I lynched him.
Also, one-shot-ultra-vig was a really nice addition to the whole game.
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 02:27:25 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 24, 2009, 02:29:44 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 02:31:38 pm
Which means Cheeetar DID lie about his role. He had NOTHING to do with the 6 day count.
PHAH. If he said he just needed to find some stupid hammer I wouldn't have lynched him.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2009, 02:34:40 pm
Meh.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 24, 2009, 04:29:05 pm
OMGTHEEVIL!I lied because I wanted to remain unseen to my lynchee. I didn't know what powers he had to stop me night investigating and then killing him. Waiting until Day 6 would give me 5 investigations, enough to find my prey, as if I investigate and they don't have it, I don't kill them.
Which means Cheeetar DID lie about his role. He had NOTHING to do with the 6 day count.
PHAH. If he said he just needed to find some stupid hammer I wouldn't have lynched him.
Oh, and I totally guessed it was Nuke. So I said all three mafias. Deadchat: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/SN4ukp4zUvF
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2009, 04:56:04 pm
Post by: Rysith on November 24, 2009, 09:13:46 pm
Nothing would have happened. I just liked the suspense.
So I would have been invulnerable day 6. Bwahahahaha!
(of course, so would Pandarsenic if he had survived. What would have happened with both me and Pandarsenic (and no other scum) alive post day 6?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 24, 2009, 09:19:53 pm
Post by: Rysith on November 24, 2009, 09:31:51 pm
Whatever would happen, you know?
Well, town couldn't lynch him. He couldn't lynch me, or kill me through other means. Thus, draw I guess?
Post by: Vector on November 24, 2009, 09:56:45 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 25, 2009, 07:23:58 am
Nah, I think it would be an ANGER vs. HAPPINESS war. It would have been... hilarious.That would have been fucking priceless.
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on November 25, 2009, 10:47:42 am
I was about to show up and accuse Dakarian of scummery, but it seems to have turned out well that I didn't.
But yeah, awesome roles, if a bit underused given the nature of the game.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 25, 2009, 10:49:49 am
Post by: ToonyMan on November 25, 2009, 11:04:21 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 25, 2009, 02:29:48 pm
That woulda been awesome. The entire game would rest on Pandarsenic's ability to be angry.
Which, I'm sure, we noticed I'm quite good at.
NO SHIT SHERCOCK
Post by: Leafsnail on November 25, 2009, 02:34:27 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 25, 2009, 02:38:40 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 25, 2009, 02:40:44 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 25, 2009, 02:43:49 pm
Oh yeah.
Death Chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/SN4ukp4zUvF (I didn't give it to Webadict for some reason...)
Mafia Chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/UCg3EXvELXdp
And as always, Pandarsenic is always scum.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 25, 2009, 02:45:27 pm