If you have played before and show up on the Karma Board listing with a * then you are also in.Karma board?
Note: "I" can't IC and I'm host :P (at least not for the mafia side).Probably being a bit unfair on yourself there, I'd say. Although I wouldn't be able to IC, of course :P.
Right now I'm pondering if panda's raise-no-dust strategy works better than web's smokescreen.
I suppose the CT lyncher can get IC on this one...Right now I'm pondering if panda's raise-no-dust strategy works better than web's smokescreen.
Mine is a smokescreen as well, just of a different style.
I was considering trying to town-IC for this one, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea or not. What do you think, Dakarian?Vector will get the CT lynched :P
:) ??? >:(
that was not spam but me posing intrest in playing despite a broken kyboard forgot i had a dsi i could use,wait theres a laptop sittingb next to my computer too..... kk im just an idiot
Drat.
So, just to confirm the rules, we are not allowed to you if we have questions? They should just be posted in the thread?
Because I wanted to post a question, but then I realized it was very much from the position of a townie, which is a good thing as from what I can tell I want to be known as a townie because since the mafia already know I'm a townie it doesnt do me any good to hide it unless people get suspicious of the fact that I claim that in my first post and suspect me of dissembling with newish questions to make them think I'm something I'm not by saying something that implies that I am what I am and now I've gone crossed and my brains been stuck with an infinite loop.
So Scum is another word for Mafia/Mediums(for this game anyways) I assume? Just the general catchall regardless of game theme?
Are we allowed to ask each other if we have powers? (Clearly people have no need to be truthful, but just wondering)
Also, uhm... accusational questions... uh...
Rooster! Be ye ghost or ghoul? If you were a ghost, who would you vote for? If you were a ghoul, who would you kill? If you were a vampire, why would you be in this house and this story?
Answer to my satisfaction or face the wrath of my vooooote (may be an empty threat).
Anyways, so as far as voting goes, I assume it is more effective for the townies to stack up their votes on one person, rather than spread them out, since spreading them out will give the scum the opportunity to tip a decision they otherwise wouldn't be able to manipulate, simply because of their low numbers. However, they can collaborate without us knowing, and thus change 2 votes at the last second from one person to another causing a potential total vote difference of 4 (a 4 on A and a 4 on B could change to a 2 on A and a 6 on B just because of scum votes shifting).
Yeah, I don't see myself ever doing well at these with my remarkable ability to seem guilty of, well, anything, ever, always, and usually to both sides (for games where there is more than one side simultaneously lacking absolute knowledge) simultaneously if possible.
I'll at least try to post no more "WIFOM".
If you were a vampire, why would you be in this house and this story?There are vampires? They weren't in my pm.
You were asking roles, perhaps to lure a new player (like me) into claiming and getting killed in the night.
And you wanted a townie to sacrifice? That would just lose one of our precious lynches.
RNG, if you where a cop who would you investigate tonight? Explain if you would please.GlyphGryph, because he is acting very odd, drawing a lot of attention for no noticeable reason... It seems to me that he has some sort of special role that is the cause of this... Doctor? Cop? Scum? I guess we'll have to see.
And finally, a question to everyone!Sacrifice? I would think not. Though my life has little value, I see no reason to do such an act, as if would only further the goals of those who seek to trap us here.
Would you be willing to sacrifice yourself on the alter as the first to go to prove your Townie loyalty?
Its a beginner game - clearly not the place to do things properly. ;)
I'm trying to get all my OMGUSittude out before playing a game that actually matters, myself.
Does experimentation and unusual plays happen often?
I heard domewhere that Pandarsenic is able to pull the craziest stuff possible out of nowhere.
RedWarrior0 care to share your playing experience and what you learned in previous BM?It's a fun game that I'm not great at. I didn't learn much because I died night 2, but the ICs as "coaches" rather than players helped a bit.
Now then, a question for Diakron... If you were scum, who would your favorite scumbuddy be?
I'll answer my own question, by the way-
No I would not sacrifice myself, because a townie sacrifice seems both dumb and useless. A dead loyal townie sounds awfully useless, unless theres some special role I don't know of.
I think you're town but you seem to put a reason behind that, but you could be bandwaggoning (Is that what its called?) to eliminate a townie.
OK. Thanks. He used the same reasoning (though it is logical) as the other two voters on him. I thought that it could (but probably not) be that it was a front to keep townies away from finding his real identity.
@Pandarsenic:
Isn't lurking generally considered a scum tendency?
nirur torirwould you beleive i wanted to be a plain townie as i have never played before?That is believable, but I feel like you were angry when you posted that. No matter.
Another OMGUS?
what is going on here?
I thought this isn't how you do day 1 !!!
Anyone explain please
RNG, if you could choose your role, which would it be?
So you're saying this game doesn't matter?
RNG, if you could choose your role, which would it be?
QuoteSo you're saying this game doesn't matter?
I don't think it matters in the way other games matter. Most often the primary goal is to win - I think the primary goal for this game is to learn and improve rather than to win. Well, that's my own goal anyways. Winning is nice, but secondary.
UNVOTE
Diakron, sorry, but you're last couple of posts - I was thinking about switching my vote after the lurking comment (lurking does seem a good strategy for scum, especially with me being so loud at the beginning, and it seemed odd you would come out so hard against considering it), and now your pushing a lynch.
In addition, Halmie's posts have given me a bit of pause in my first accusation, so I think its time to switch.
So, Diakron -
If you were actually scum, and you knew what you knew now, which person (who has posted already) would you least desire to be your partner?
Edit: Upon reflection, I've decided I don't like my last question. So Diakron, new question instead: If you had the power to investigate someone, who would it be?
Would you be willing to sacrifice yourself on the alter as the first to go to prove your Townie loyalty?
Because I wanted to post a question, but then I realized it was very much from the position of a townie, which is a good thing as from what I can tell I want to be known as a townie because since the mafia already know I'm a townie it doesnt do me any good to hide it unless people get suspicious of the fact that I claim that in my first post and suspect me of dissembling with newish questions to make them think I'm something I'm not by saying something that implies that I am what I am and now I've gone crossed and my brains been stuck with an infinite loop.
I can see arguments as to why that might be a good thing or a bad thing. I'm assuming its a bad thing (since then the scum get first kill, which is guaranteed to not be scum, rather the townies getting first kill which MIGHT be scum).
Does that seem about right?
[Diakron,] of the people currently playing, who would you most like as a scum buddy, and why?Fixed.
RNG, you want to be cop, who would you investigate?I already answered this earlier in the thread; you guys need to pay more attention.
RandomNumberGenerator[1]: RedWarrior0I thought I put my vote in for Dirtybirdy earlier.
GlyphGryph[2]: Halmie, Diakron
RedWarrior0[1]: Dirtybirdy
Halmie[1]: Nirur Torir
Nirur Torir[1]: theevilmonk
Diakron[1]: GlyphGryph
theevilmonk[1]: Rooster
Not voting: RandomNumberGenerator
Deadline: Wednesday, 11am EST
I didn't mean to imply you were lurking, just that you seemed dead set against a reasonable concern that lurking is a tell. It sounded sort of like something a scum would say if they haven't yet heard from a partner, and the partner hasn't posted in the thread.Quote from: Diakron link=topic=44280.msg872513#msg872513WIFOM, yes this was stated before, but i want to draw attention to the fact that a person saying he NEVER played before was able to come up with WIFOM worded like this.What was it about the wording that was so odd? This is actually an honest question. I understand at this point that I shouldn't have posted a wifom, but you seem to be stating there was something particularly bad about this one, and I'd like to know what it was if possible.
Finally, Pandarsenic,
What does blue FoS thing term mean?
Quote from: Nirur Torir[Diakron,] of the people currently playing, who would you most like as a scum buddy, and why?Fixed.
I can't place a finger on where but i get the feeling that i have a scum and his buddy is trying to push the vote on me, i reread everything but i don't know where exactly i get this feeling... but it is a good scum tactic don't get me wrong, however me and panda perfected it (beginners mafia 2 or 3) so i know when its happening...Oh? So you perfected the technique earlier... and think it's happening now? Yet the only person I see pushing a lynch is you on Glyph.
Unvote. Vote Diakron. FoS GG. Perhaps he is acting scummy. Perhaps he really is a newb. Diakron, you seem awfully intent on gunning him down, perhaps you're scum looking for an easy lynch and an early end to RVS?
Redwarrior:If I were scum, Godfather would be my choice. It helps for the scum goal. It puts the cop readings into uncertainty, for one thing. It basically helps spread WIFOM.
If you were scum, would you rather be the roleblocker or the godfather, and why?
@Diakron: If you're so good with tactics then maybe try to predict what tactics are going to be applied this game. Both Town and Scum, because town did too poorly last game for what they were capable of.
To IC: When you said spread out and then converge, I assume this is the point you meant we should start converging? Since there is as yet no real consensus and the lynch is in the morning.
UNVOTE diakron, because apparently he doesn't seem that scummy to anyone else
which is why im not voting for anyone at this point, hoping that something will come to light, yo
You are reacting JUST like i thought you would as a newbie scum, yet ANOTHER OMGUS with a false reasoning attached, so i will answer both your questions and attempt my very first WoT.
if i was scum then i would least desire YOU to be my scumbuddy, you have drawn massive attention, you have OMGUS after mutliple warning that this is a Scumtell (esp. against someone who is attacking you, during the RVS this is overlooked but i am NOT random voting you), the next most would be Redwarrior0 see my post to RNG about this.
It would be otherwise fine, butherenow your reasoning is flawed.
The evil monk: I do that because he WIFOM'ed and I no have experience with such.
Let's assume one of us is scum. Even if we both die there is still one more out there. and we only have 2 mislynches, to get down to 2/5 situation.
Probably you and The evil monk.
The evil monk because he is townie but not a threat when it comes down to final 5
And you. I just feel it in my guts that even if you aren't scum then you're not the kind of player to get lynched easily
First off, a look at your history - there was an initial accusation of RNG, who you then went on to say would be your preferred scumbuddy because you knew him.
You also implied that if you hadn't asked it of him, you would have asked it of RedWarrior
Did you know RedWarrior already as well? Have you played Mafia games with them before?
Then you comment that you have played mafia before, and that you are bad at it, followed immediately by saying that being bad at mafia is something you are trying to change.
This was the first sentence that really caught my eye - you didn't say being a sucky mafia was something you were going to try to change in the future, you said it was something you were trying to change right now. Maybe just a slip of the tongue, completely innocent - if taken alone. But definitely suspicious.
You mention then you wanted to be "hyper-aggresive" - I've gone over a few previous games these last two days, and it seems like Scum being "super-aggresive" is the thing to do right now. Sure, its reasonable to attack people and push them - but I was already being pressured by Halmie before you jumped on me as well, for the same reasons other people brought up. Attacking the easy target early on in the game, something other people are already doing, and doing it, in your own words, in a "hyper-aggressive" manner, a scum-tell on the rise?
You next claim lurking is a terrible reason to lynch someone, we aren't trying to have a chat, etc. against someone who was clearly just trying to get a feel for someone who'd mostly been silent. They were looking for someone to pressure - and you didn't seem to like that. It seemed very defensive, and the only reason I could see for the comment would be if one of those semi-lurkers was your scumbuddy.
And then, you don't continue to ask questions of your own - you IMMEDIATELY claim you're going to push for a lynch! When there are still days left to go!
You then proceed to get extremely defensive the moment I start pressuring you, after proclaiming this is something town are supposed to do.
ok right up front i will say that as a mafia player i SUCK. i am trying to change that.
My favorite Strategy is to attack however looks the scummiest and keep the pressure on them until they crack.
G.G. has made several mistakes so far in this game. When all you have are what someone says and how they reply it become crucial for a townie to be hyper-aggressive and FORCE scum out of hiding, they know who's town but we don't know squat, so we must go with what we see and what we feel about a player and try to get people to see what we see.
Quote from: Diakron
QuoteYou are reacting JUST like i thought you would as a newbie scum, yet ANOTHER OMGUS with a false reasoning attached, so i will answer both your questions and attempt my very first WoT.
if i was scum then i would least desire YOU to be my scumbuddy, you have drawn massive attention, you have OMGUS after mutliple warning that this is a Scumtell (esp. against someone who is attacking you, during the RVS this is overlooked but i am NOT random voting you), the next most would be Redwarrior0 see my post to RNG about this.
This is where I noticed that not only are you being defensive, but you are still trying to distance yourself from RedWarrior0. You've mentioned him twice already, both times as an unnecessary aside. He seemed like a bit of a lurker, and you came out against pressuring lurkers. What exactly is your relationship with him? Because its looking officially suspicious for both of you right now.
Anyways, you then go on to say I am scum and a liar because I'm looking ahead - but isn't town supposed to be looking ahead and planning as well? Or are we just supposed to believe what you tell us?
One final thing - you were asked to describe likely mafia or town tactics. You then state its pointless to post "our" tactics. So why didn't you describe possible mafia tactics? Your dealing with a town of relatively new people, and mafia who are probably already tacticating - why would you not point out their possible moves to the other townies? I could understand you not wanting to mention townie tactics if you were a townie, but instead you shrugged off the question completely.
So, care to defend yourself?
Unvote
Currently, I'm very suspicious of Dikaron. He was very forceful with pushing Glyph's lynch, and now that he is out of the line of fire has stopped scumhunting.
Probably you and The evil monk.
The evil monk because he is townie but not a threat when it comes down to final 5
And you. I just feel it in my guts that even if you aren't scum then you're not the kind of player to get lynched easily
Even if The evil monk is scum, he didn't act scummy enough for me to do anything about it.
There are more likely scum at this point.
And yes Nirur I know what you're trying to say, but scum isn't that stupid. They never are.
Scumhunting based on someone seeming to be confident with someones alignment isn't that good, there are better scumtells.
To the IC:
I think its time the votes start coming out and converging - I don't want a lynch with 2 or 3 votes since it would be easy easy for the scum to manipulate when things are that close. Is this spread a vote, even past an extension, normal for a day 1? I honestly don't know if I should be pushing for a lynch at this point, or what.
So i decide another dose of BM is what i needed, i am considered "IC" by the definition but honestly i want to learn how to be a decisive force as both town and scum.
Unvote. FoS on GlyphGryph
Glyph brings up a point I think but I'm not letting him out of my sights just yet.
Vote for day extension. I'm not sure now.
But Rooster why did you put pressure on to thevilmonk and then stop? He answered your questions but that shouldn't be enough. You're not agressive enough. Read dakarians post.
Damn g2g again. Always pressured in the morning.
When all you have are what someone says and how they reply it become crucial for a townie to be hyper-aggressive and FORCE scum out of hiding
You seem insistent on people knowing this is a town-tell. Your posts have been very aggressive, but you're not attacking anyone other than Glyph. You say you want to find scum, but don't focus on anyone but him. Rather, I think you are using Glyph as a scapegoat to draw suspicion off of you. This is a bigger scumtell than anything I have seen from Glyph.
i already said that aggressiveness is a Towntell your passive aggressive word play is getting on my nerves though...
And do as you please if you don't like my line of thinking keep asking questions, analyze the responses and find your own scum.
GlyphGryph[1]: Diakron
RedWarrior0[1]: Rooster,
Rooster[2]: Nirur Torir, Dirtybirdy,
Diakron[2]: GlyphGryph, RandomNumberGenerator,
Not Voting: RedWarrior0, theevilmonk, Halmie,
Extensions heard: Deadline extended
Deadline: Thursday, 9pm EST
Further extensions will be listened to so long as the debate continues.
if you still Suspect someone why remove your vote? you are now the second most likely scum in my book, you are basicaly saying "well he's suspicious but i don't want to be one of his killer." which to me says "I do not wish to win this game." or "I am Scum!!"
A no-lynch is better than a half-hearted mislynch.I'm not sure hence I asked for a day extension to decide things. Or do you want GG elimnated from the game becuase he suspects you? You were abit explosive before.
And I'm trying to be hard to read incase I draw mafia in another game.
What does lylo mean?
It seems that players in general are feeling that they're progressing because they suspect everyone.
Quote from: VectorIt seems that players in general are feeling that they're progressing because they suspect everyone.
What I meant by watching myself "progress" in the "good" way, just the gradual change in the way I saw the game.
It's easy for two townies to get into fights with each other and for the whole game to revolve around them, who voted for them, who defended them, etc.
So when does the cop find out the results of his "investigation". Does he get a private message at the end of the day/end of the night, what?
But still, he did vote for dirtybird, which doesn't exactly follow your whole "never the first vote" pattern. But then, he also didn't really press DB that much before unvoting, (nor did he press evilmonk much) so he's definitely been lax on scumhunting as a follow up to calling out lurkers, at least.
ERmergency, g2g,more then
So when does the cop find out the results of his "investigation". Does he get a private message at the end of the day/end of the night, what?
Signed in blood, yet no reason given?
Why kill someone is nothing is proven?
RandomNumberGenerator is the person I most believe to be scum at this point. Never the first to vote for somebody, always voting somebody only after somebody else has, never providing reasoning. He voted for Diakron after GryphGlyph delivered his wall of text against him. Previously, RNG voted for theevilmonk after Rooster questioned him. There are other things that made me suspicious before that, however.
RandomNumberGenerator, are you pushing for a Diakron lynch because you're scum and you think his tunnelvision on GryphGlyph would look suspicious enough to make him a target for an easy lynch?
Unovte. After Jim's post i no longer feel that GG is the one i should be going after RNG why are you constantly changing your vote to someone with a vote already on them?How am I constantly changing my vote? I haven't changed my vote in a long time, because I know you're scum.
QuoteRandomNumberGenerator, are you pushing for a Diakron lynch because you're scum and you think his tunnelvision on GryphGlyph would look suspicious enough to make him a target for an easy lynch?
I don't think that Diakron is an easy lynch at all. If he was an easy lynch, he would have been voted off by now. Rather, he has a lot of experience with this game and decided early on to push for Glyph's lynch once Glyph drew all that suspicion earlier(for a long time I suspected Glyph as well, but that has diminished by this point). I think Diakron doesn't want to chance targets because voting second or third will make other players more likely to think he is scum, so he is trying to shift suspicion off himself and onto Glyph.
However, you seem certain that Diakron isn't scum, yet haven't given any reasoning as to why you think so. What is it about him that makes you not suspect him? You seem to be more experienced than the rest of us, and if I'm missing a big reason why Diakron isn't scum I want to know why. Diakron and Rooster were attacking Glyph earlier when Glyph was a popular target. After they locked on, neither of them deviated and attacked anybody else. Once Rooster came into danger of being voted off however, Diakron suddenly separated from him and went for me. This only furthers my suspicions that Diakron is scum, as he hasn't pressed GG in a while despite being determined that GG was scum earlier.
However, you seem certain that Diakron isn't scum, yet haven't given any reasoning as to why you think so. What is it about him that makes you not suspect him? You seem to be more experienced than the rest of us, and if I'm missing a big reason why Diakron isn't scum I want to know why. Diakron and Rooster were attacking Glyph earlier when Glyph was a popular target. After they locked on, neither of them deviated and attacked anybody else. Once Rooster came into danger of being voted off however, Diakron suddenly separated from him and went for me. This only furthers my suspicions that Diakron is scum, as he hasn't pressed GG in a while despite being determined that GG was scum earlier.
This is the first Mafia game I have ever played. If I'm doing something wrong, let me know. You say that I am only voting for people who only have votes; for the most part this is true. The reason I was voting for them is because I thought they had several scumtells, and apparently others did too, otherwise they wouldn't have had any votes in the first place. Right now Diakron seems the scummiest to me, which is why I'm voting for him. It has nothing to do with the fact that he had votes on him before.
don't blame me for a if you are not going to blame EVERYONE who voted for him.
No, I was testing your reaction, the accusation had no real proof and I don't mean it.
I was provoking you to see if you slipped up.
Jim do you perhaps have trouble understanding English? my post is very straight foward.
I think the scum is trying to get me Lynched by killing my opponent, it is a good tactic and most of the time wins the game for them, unless we look at this from both directions then discard the fact that the two fought at all.
the reasoning: you should analyze everything but the first time this happens always consider the fact that scum wants you to think that guy a killed guy b cause he is scum.
Don't threaten the new guys Jim, or i will "start ripping into you like a wolf", myself...
That's not stupid, that's how you catch scum. Jim, you shouldn't be threatening it, you should be DOING it.
Or at least that's how some people catch scum. It works.
RandomNumberGenerator, before I voted for you, all your posts were fairly short. After, you post a long-winded defense of yourself. You're not worried about anything, are you? Like you were suddenly found out as scum and felt that you needed to defend yourself with large amounts of text, did you?Ah, yes. I'm not a very active poster normally; just look at my post count and my join date. However, with the recent events I decided that I had to step up and take a more active role in this game. If I didn't, I felt that it would make it way too easy for the scum to manipulate us.
I haven't forgotten your questions from yesterday, RNG. I'll answer them here.Well, when you first replaced RedWarrior0 you did state:However, you seem certain that Diakron isn't scum, yet haven't given any reasoning as to why you think so. What is it about him that makes you not suspect him? You seem to be more experienced than the rest of us, and if I'm missing a big reason why Diakron isn't scum I want to know why. Diakron and Rooster were attacking Glyph earlier when Glyph was a popular target. After they locked on, neither of them deviated and attacked anybody else. Once Rooster came into danger of being voted off however, Diakron suddenly separated from him and went for me. This only furthers my suspicions that Diakron is scum, as he hasn't pressed GG in a while despite being determined that GG was scum earlier.
This is the first Mafia game I have ever played. If I'm doing something wrong, let me know. You say that I am only voting for people who only have votes; for the most part this is true. The reason I was voting for them is because I thought they had several scumtells, and apparently others did too, otherwise they wouldn't have had any votes in the first place. Right now Diakron seems the scummiest to me, which is why I'm voting for him. It has nothing to do with the fact that he had votes on him before.
I never said I was certain Diakron was town. GlyphGryph and Diakron fighting seemed to fit the pattern of two townies going after each other, and from my previous experiences and observations of Diakron, he seemed like he was acting in a town-like manner. I'm not sure, though, he's hard to read and I'm not the best at reading people in these games.
Now, however, I am suspicious of Diakron for the way he jumped off of GlyphGryph and instead voted for you just because I posted some reasons and a vote against you.
I don't think GlyphGryph or Diakron are scum. It's easy for two townies to get into fights with each other and for the whole game to revolve around them, who voted for them, who defended them, etc. This happened a lot in the first Beginner's Mafia, and it happens frequently in other games.
Jim do you perhaps have trouble understanding English? my post is very straight foward.Pardon me, but I don't see much logic in these arguments. You're simply stating one or two things then moving on. You don't even provide quotes as a reference. How can you reject entire arguments so easily? You're also overdoing the personal attacks somewhat; it doesn't matter if someone can read English, as long as they can think. Okay, I suppose it does matter if they can read English, but that's not the point. Why don't you try attacking their behavior instead of the person themselves?
I gave A reason to object day extension, post more if you want more to happen guys...
RNG was pushing the fight and asking why we stopped fighting...
redwarrior0 has a bad habit of knowing he cannot get on and not telling anyone, but only if he is town, i am very sure you are scum becuase of that Jim, cuase you replaced Red...
Don't threaten the new guys Jim, or i will "start ripping into you like a wolf", myself...
I think the scum is trying to get me Lynched by killing my opponent, it is a good tactic and most of the time wins the game for them, unless we look at this from both directions then discard the fact that the two fought at all.You could have easily killed Glyph because you realized that he wasn't going to be lynched. Glyph and you were going at it for a long time... and when he practically claimed cop you got scared he would investigate you. But it's far too obvious to the town if you straight out kill your enemy, so what if someone killed Glyph to frame you instead? That situation works out much nicer for you, doesn't it? Now we have the traditional WIFOM that you so eagerly set up...
the reasoning: you should analyze everything but the first time this happens always consider the fact that scum wants you to think that guy a killed guy b cause he is scum.
Votes? Don't make me laugh.
Votes aren't the worst thing you can do to somebody in a mafia game.
Walls of text are. Page spanning, vicious, thorough, barely logical walls of text. Imagine having every word choice, every throwaway comment, every insignificant aspect of your behavior scrutinized with the intent of accusing you of being scum.
Some of you quiet people need to get your asses in here and start talking.
That means you, Nirur Torir, RandomNumberGenerator, DirtyBirdy, and theevilmonk.
Well, when you first replaced RedWarrior0 you did state:I don't think GlyphGryph or Diakron are scum. It's easy for two townies to get into fights with each other and for the whole game to revolve around them, who voted for them, who defended them, etc. This happened a lot in the first Beginner's Mafia, and it happens frequently in other games.
I was wondering why you thought that Diakron was a townie. Was there some clue I missed? For most of the game he has been acting rather scumish in my eyes. You are the most experienced player out of all of us Jim, so if there was something that made Diakron scream townie, I would like to know what it was so I can keep and eye out for it and hopefully discount false accusations on other townies.
Votes? Don't make me laugh.
Votes aren't the worst thing you can do to somebody in a mafia game.
Walls of text are. Page spanning, vicious, thorough, barely logical walls of text. Imagine having every word choice, every throwaway comment, every insignificant aspect of your behavior scrutinized with the intent of accusing you of being scum.
But the less logical the argument, the easier it is for the accused to reject the argument. Isn't careful, methodical analysis and posting the best way to expose holes in the scum's logic?Or have I been doing this wrong? Either way, I feel that Diakron's arguments have more holes than swiss cheese. Or a sponge. Or a fishing net. Or another generic hole-filled object.
Jim do you perhaps have trouble understanding English? my post is very straight foward.
I don't know, Diakron. Perhaps you have trouble communicating English effectively?
I found each of your statements to be lacking. Which is why I asked you questions about them. I'll keep asking you questions about them until you answer them to my satisfaction.
Or I'll just vote you, Diakron, because I think you're scum and incapable of answering my questions to my satisfaction for that reason.I think the scum is trying to get me Lynched by killing my opponent, it is a good tactic and most of the time wins the game for them, unless we look at this from both directions then discard the fact that the two fought at all.
the reasoning: you should analyze everything but the first time this happens always consider the fact that scum wants you to think that guy a killed guy b cause he is scum.
Heh, you suggesting this is WIFOM on its own.
Scum don't choose to kill based on who they think they can lynch tomorrow. They choose who to kill based on who's best at scumhunting and whoever has power roles. It's a consistent pattern throughout all the games I've read through and the strategy the scum talk about after it ends.
Nobody would suggest that you, Diakron, if you were scum, would choose to kill the person who suspected you most. Because that would lead directly back to you, and that would be a bad move as scum.
Unless everybody already thinks this, and therefore there's a measure of safety in killing somebody who directly suspects you. This way, it's a way to clear yourself of suspicion.
Or perhaps following the night kill really isn't all that useful in the first place, and you shouldn't bother following who suspected who and instead evaluate the remaining players' actions and votes instead.
Which is what I did when I decided to vote for you. Scum.
FAKEEDIT: Dammit, ninja'd by Pandarsenic on this point.Don't threaten the new guys Jim, or i will "start ripping into you like a wolf", myself...
I'd love to see you try
ok the last thing first... Well, the problem is, you wouldn't see it.So you defend yourself by saying you don't need to defend yourself? Or am I misinterpreting what you're saying? And exactly what are the two accounts you are talking about? As far as I see you've pointed nothing out.
I love how you get all hot head and emotional, it makes it so much easier to show people that i am right on both accounts.
Want proof i am town? I am the Elder in game, which is normally called a cop, THAT's why i stopped attacking GG i would know soon enough and i was hoping that by knowing he was town i could confirm him as a townie and then die at night with him still alive people would have a person to band together with. Now i know i am the next NK so i wil try my best to prove that RNG and Jim ARE the scum and hopefully win this for us.So the person you investigated was GG? I find that very suspicious, considering I was attacking you more. Wouldn't you want to know my role instead? I have to agree with Jim here - it's very convenient that the person you investigated died.
Now that I do have time, I'm still not quite sure who to attack. Jim and Diakron both make very good points on each other. I strongly suspect that one of them is a scum, but I can't seem to figure out which.
RNG seems to generally be acting suspicious.This I find interesting though. Any particular reason?
Halmie, Dirtybirdy, and Theevilmonk seem to mostly be lurking suspiciously. So who's the scum, when everyone looks like scum? I'm not in a good state of mind for cross-examining statements right now. I'll try again later.Well, remember that it's the weekend. This is my first time checking the thread all day. Halmie and theevilmonk have been posting a decent amount... nothing good, but they're not high on my suspicions list. Dirtybirdy is up there though, because he only posts when he gets called out...
I am AGAINST a day extension
i object for 1 reason, if i have to do 5+ game days that last over a week each I will start killing people.
Quotedon't blame me for a if you are not going to blame EVERYONE who voted for him.Fix'd:don't blame me for Rooster's death if you are not going to blame EVERYONE who voted for him.
Want proof i am town? I am the Elder in game, which is normally called a cop, THAT's why i stopped attacking GG
my defense is that you guys fail for a scum ploy and i am trying to provide everything that i can to show you that, but if you want to go with the joint attack of Jim and RNG against me then go ahead, i have better things to do then try to talk sense into people that won't listen.Giving up a futile fight, scum?
RandomNumberGenerator, if you think Diakron is scummy, why aren't you voting for him?
Jim: all these random votes seem to simply be you trying to avoid any suspicion on youwhich seems scummy to me. find someone who you think is actually scum rather than trying to prod people into posting, thats not your job here. it seems to me that you pushing a vote on diakron without actually trying to be involved
Diakron has definately been acting scummy but with his role claim, either he will die tonight and we know he was right, noone will die as he is protected or someone else will die increasing suspicion on him. because of this he has almost guarenteed his survival tonight, unless he is wrong about who he is suspecting. In which case he may die so we suspect them... but now even if he is right they might kill him anyway making us thing that who they were innocent and that he was wrong in the first place.. well thats not helpful at all.. where was i going with this? explain how this cop claim could ever benefit us
I'm going to vote later, no time at the moment.
There isn't anything to say. Why would you claim cop Diakron, give us a (valid) reason and I won't vote for you.
Yeah I thought of that but got caught up with WIFOM.
Diakrons answer(s) were good enough for me to suspect him less but not wipe him off my list.
but for now im simply going to have to go withHalmie and a question, is there a reason why you didnt vote on the first day? almost all of your responses to everything have been inconsequential sentences of small length and little meaning. are you trying to evade suspicion?
I'm trying to be neutral but if I'm playing to soft you need to tell me. This is my first game and personally I'm not good at the whole accusational thing.
I've gone through Diakron's posts again, and I'm convinced he is scum. He still hasn't provided any reasoning for claiming cop. In fact, he hasn't provided any substantial arguments since claiming at all. I think that was his last, desperate measure, and now he's remaining quiet in hopes we forget about him and let him survive another round. Well, I won't let him - my vote remains.
However, it is at least clear that she ran across a fowl end
And what do you think we should do in this situation IC(s)?
Nirur, What is your thoughts on the current situation?I'm annoyed at Diakron for just giving up like that. Bad Diakron, bad. I am leaning towards his view of Jim and RNG as scum, but I haven't ruled anybody out. I don't have much time to create a proper attack post right now, but I'll try it later today.
What is your defense Jim?
I was asleep at that time.
And I told you in the above post why it had doubled if you read it.
Errr... You said something 29 hours before the lynch? Oh.
I didn't read it till after the lynch and assumed you posted it while I was asleep. Laziness on my behalf.
You seemed pretty sure Diakron was scum too.
nirur torirwould you beleive i wanted to be a plain townie as i have never played before?
yayyyy bew keyboard, i can type again. however i still know little in the way of whats going on.. hmmmOn why you're being passive:
Nirur Torir, same question back at you, what role would you want?
rng: simply because i have no idea what im doing, this is my first game and i knew little to nothing when i joined it.
Rooster, the way i see it from your posts. reason one, because you said noone else seems completly honest here earlier, and i take that as an insult. second, you keep trying to find out what everyone thinks about GG and trying to get him off for it, leading me to beleive that you and him might be scumbuddies.. scummy scummy scumbuddies. But regardless
which is why im not voting for anyone at this point, hoping that something will come to light, yo
ive been umm.. busy ;D for the past couple days. so.
as to Jims QuestionL i was planing on coming back and going over everything again that night before voting but more important things came up.
and i dont have time now to reread over everything to decide what to do, ill be back tonight probably with something slightly more substantial
in that case, in the intrest of not enough time i will for now change my vote unvote Halmie RNG
who was right? YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS
first of all UNVOTE, my vote on nirur was just out of spite anyways
Rooster, although he has been acting weird he could just be an idiot. although he does seem the most scummy out of anyone at this point, but that doesnt necesarily mean anything in a game of beginners. At this point im just not sure. however for now i will let him go
Glyphgryph: to be honest ive had alot of trouble trying to keep up with whats going on, granted i havent had a good past few days and have had trouble logging on as much as i should. But so far my opinions on the game in general is that its very confusing, and it takes alot more effort than i anticipated to try to figure things out. I think there has been(as far as i can tell) little to no progression so far, as i still cant see any cement accusations. and at this point the best thing we could do is just... lynch someone and hope for the best i suppose(not me though thatd be silly ;D)
at this point i dont know who would be a good choice though, im thinking either RedWarrior or ,Nirur or dirtybirdy but im not sure at this ppint, ill see what everyone else has to say once more vbefore making a decision
Jim Groovester, you were the second person to vote for Diakron - right after you said he didn't strike you as scum. What made you change your mind? At the time I didn't question it because I thought someone else saw what I saw, but it appears we both saw illusions.
I believe it was only the second. And yes, I suppose you have answered it to my satisfaction.Jim Groovester, you were the second person to vote for Diakron - right after you said he didn't strike you as scum. What made you change your mind? At the time I didn't question it because I thought someone else saw what I saw, but it appears we both saw illusions.
The second person? I believe I was first to vote for Diakron yesterday.
I did change my mind about Diakron, but that's not unusual if somebody suddenly starts dropping scum tells like mad. He seemed like town, right up until he rejected a day extension, FoSed me because I was a replacement, claimed cop with one vote, and gave up defending himself.
He was acting scummy, by all accounts, and four of us agreed that he was.
RNG, this is about the third or fourth time you've asked me this question. Have I answered to your satisfaction yet?
Anyways, Unvote Halmie. theevilmonk logged in as recently as an hour ago, yet hasn't posted. There's no excuse for lurking at lynch or lose.
i dont see how me not being part of a lynch on a towning makes me any more suspect.
Probably you and The evil monk.
The evil monk because he is townie but not a threat when it comes down to final 5
And you. I just feel it in my guts that even if you aren't scum then you're not the kind of player to get lynched easily
Nirur Torir, I'd like to know where you stand. Can you list your thoughts about every player remaining in the game?Gladly. I'll write my suspicions off the top of my head, but there may be others. I'm currently leaning slightly towards a theevilmonk/RNG scumteam view, but suspect everybody.
Unvote. Vote RNG. I don't buy it. I call you out on not posting, so you drop your suspicion, ignore an unanswered question you asked, and join the bandwagon against theevilmonk? Scummy, quite scummy.I didn't drop either of my suspicions, and I only voted theevilmonk to force him to post more. I don't actually think he's scum, but a name in red is a good kick in the rear. Now that he's posting again I can unvote theevilmonk. I'm sure you'll accuse me of dropping my vote on him after being called out, now.
RNG where did you ask me a question?I didn't ask you a question, I asked you to back up your accusations with evidence. Which you did. Thank you.
and RNg whats so unacceptable about not posting till the next day when you have work early the next morning? thats just inconsiderate of you. or are you talkiing about something else i said in which case please elaborate
Extension. The scum are trying to pull something funny.
Nirur Torir, you've jumped up several echelons of suspicion in my eyes.
I think the reasons you voted for RNG are blown far out of proportion. You accuse him of not posting very much, and of changing his vote because you called him out. What makes you think you had anything to do with his decision to change his vote? What makes you think he's any more of a lurker than Halmie, theevilmonk, or you are?
And then theevilmonk voted for RNG shortly after you did. What's your game, Nirur Torir? What are you planning? Were you trying to prevent the lynch of theevilmonk by trying to make RNG look suspicious? Were you trying to have theevilmonk lend it credence by having him vote for RNG as well?
You said if you had half an hour until the deadline, your vote would be on theevilmonk. Let's say I opposed the extension. Would you change your vote?
The bandwagon was simply a scare from all the active players to get theevilmonk talking again. So obviously unvote theevilmonk. The votes were never permanent.
The bandwagon was simply a scare from all the active players to get theevilmonk talking again. So obviously unvote theevilmonk. The votes were never permanent.
You're really putting words into our mouths to let theevilmonk off the hook. Why defend him?
Anyways, Unvote Halmie. theevilmonk logged in as recently as an hour ago, yet hasn't posted. There's no excuse for lurking at lynch or lose.
theevilmonk as soon as you stop lurking I'll retract the vote. If you are overly busy you should ask for a replacement.
theevilmonk apparently won't post anything till tomorrow. I'm not quite sure what theevilmonk is thinking, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable during lylo.
theevilmonk is hiding in your shadow Nirur.
Why?
buddying up? where did i do this
buddying up? where did i do this
itd help if i actually knew where said instances weree, so i could explain them
buddying up? where did i do this
how is that a good reason to vote at this point in the game? not being able to get on often should have no impact during lylo, and its not my fault this thing doesnt like me fixing what i type. either way, halmieyour either an idiot using bad reasoning at this point in the game or are scum as well.You posted that an hour after I voted for RNG, and didn't really explain why you felt that way.
One of Jim and RNG are scum, and was helping lead the other, of that im sure. but one of them must be town as scum wouldnt buddy that close to his partner. I beleive its RNG
also i was rereading and found this to be entertaining. He was asked who he though would be in the finall five by NirurProbably you and The evil monk.
The evil monk because he is townie but not a threat when it comes down to final 5
And you. I just feel it in my guts that even if you aren't scum then you're not the kind of player to get lynched easily
and RNg whats so unacceptable about not posting till the next day when you have work early the next morning? thats just inconsiderate of you. or are you talkiing about something else i said in which case please elaborate
Passivity is never a good trait. It's a major scumtell for one thing. When a townie holds it, it's one step towards a town loss. You must be aggressive if you want to win this game.
Passivity is never a good trait. It's a major scumtell for one thing. When a townie holds it, it's one step towards a town loss. You must be aggressive if you want to win this game.
Great play, scum. Looking at the chat, I'm starting to understand how to play scum. Vector is amazing at it.
nirur i knew it was you or halmie as both Jim and RNG were obviously not scum as they were working together too closely. for diakron. and Halmie gave off much more townie vibes than you. same thing with you and Jim RNG
btw Jim you still need to eat a sock
If there's somethin' strange... in the neighbourhood...The Homeowner's Association
Hmm, I totally need a fake mafia name. Any suggestions?
If there's somethin' strange... in the neighbourhood...The Homeowner's Association
Hmm, I totally need a fake mafia name. Any suggestions?
Well, they got us into that mess in BM4. :PIf there's somethin' strange... in the neighbourhood...The Homeowner's Association
Hmm, I totally need a fake mafia name. Any suggestions?
WIN :D