Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2009, 08:31:37 pm
Game has started! Good luck to everyone!
Player List
Org- Tower Justicar of FireNeruz- Tower Warrior Mage of FireRedWarrior0- Tower War Mage of WaterMagmaDeath- Tower Time Mage of AirJanusTwoFace- Tower Warrior Mage of EarthHalmie- Tower Archivist of WaterKashyyk- Cabal Subtle Wizard of WaterExKirby- Tower Alchemist of Earth- Jim Groovester
Leafsnail- Tower Guardian of FireRandomNumberGenerator- Cabal Enchanter of AirFrelock- Cabal Healer of DarknessPandarsenicTower War Mage of WaterPrinnyBaalTower Subtle Wizard of Earth
Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2009, 08:31:55 pm
Rules Section:
Order of Actions:
Phase 1) Voting
Each player gets 2 votes (which must go to two different Wizards). The two Wizards with the most votes will be the Duelists for that day
In the event of a tie, the Duelists will be determined randomly
Phase 2) Set-up
Each player states which Wizard they will Assist, and what kind of Assistance they will give. Wizards may choose not to assist anyone, and Subtle Mages do not need to state what they are doing.
Phase 3) The Duel
The Duel will be run by me using a script I've written. I'll then do a write-up of the battle to keep things exciting.
During the duel, some Wizards may use Side Actions (like night actions in normal mafia games). This includes the Dark Cabal Wizards, who select one of their members to incapacitate during the confusion surrounding the duel. Side actions are PM'd to be during the set-up phase.
We then start with the next duel
All Wizards will be Role-flipped upon Incapacitation or losing a duel.
Each player will decide on an Elemental Affinity (Fire, Earth, Air, Water) at the beginning of the game. Cabal wizards may also choose the special Dark element. Your Affinity will give you bonuses and penalties in combat depending on whether or not you are using the correct element against your opponent. The rules that describe this are listed in the technical section below.
Each player will also decide on a Rune Color at the beginning of the game. This is simply for flavor, but will also help differentiate people. Please choose a color which can be used in BBCode.
Technical rules:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Special Roles:
Duelist Roles: These wizards are skilled in magic that effects the Duel, and may have advantages in the Duel themselves
War Mage: Has superior offensive magic, and can grant a bigger then usual offensive boost to another mage when assisting a Duel.
+2 to Attack attribute
+1 to all Attack Boosts
Battle Mage: Is skilled in personal combat, giving them an edge when defending and can grant a bigger then usual defensive boost to another mage when assisting a Duel.
+2 to Defense attribute
+1 to all Defense Boosts
Warrior Mage: Trained in both martial and magical combat, the Warrior Mage can shrug off hits that would incapacitate other mages.
+10 to Health attribute
Time Mage: Skilled in manipulating the energies of time, the Time Mage is swifter then most other mages, and can grant a bigger speed boost to other mages. Time Mages are also more apt to get an extra attack in combat, and their opponents cannot get an extra attack on them.
+2 to Speed attribute
+1 to all Speed Boosts
Healer: Has powerful Healing Magic
+2 to all Healing assists
Subtle Wizard: He specializes in casting magic unseen, and his public Assist actions may not be his real action. He can PM the mod with a different assist choice, if he wishes, which will not be reported to the other players.
Archmage: A very powerful mage, he has a major advantage when dueling other mages.
+2 to Attack, Defense and Speed. +5 to Health.
Alchemist - While not overly talented in combat magic, the Alchemist has access to very potent magics in the form of potions. When he starts the game he picks one of the following potions. It can either be given to another Wizard as an Assist or he can use it himself before he starts a duel.
Elemental Affinity - Using this potion allows the Wizard to change their Affinity for the next Duel.
Fireblood Potion - Using this potion gives the Wizard a huge boost to his offensive capabilities for the next Duel
Liquid Diamond - Using this potion gives the Wizard a huge boost to his defensive capabilities for the next Duel
Ironskin potion - Using this potion gives the Wizard a huge boost to his Health rating for the next Duel
Breath of the Zephyr - Using this potion gives the Wizard a huge boost to his speed capabilities for the next Duel
Troll's Blood - Using this potion gives the Wizard a huge Healing boost for the next Duel
Celestial Mage: A mage who has the blessings of the Heavens.
Uses the Light Affinity
+2 Healing in Combat
Side-Action Roles: These wizards can take actions during the Duel that effect other mages not in the Duel.
Archivist - Has access to all of the records of the Order. Because of this, once per duel he can look through the records to determine what Role a Wizard has as a side-action.
Nullifier: Skilled in the ways of anti-magic, the nullifier can choose one mage each duel and prevent them from effecting the Duel.
Enchanter: Using their enhanced mind magic, the Enchanter can prevent another Wizard from taking any side-actions that duel.
Guardian: Carefully watches over another Wizard and can prevent them from becoming incapacitated by side-actions during the Duel.
Oracle: Can use their magic to see if another Wizard performs any side-actions during the Duel.
Justicar: A Wizard seeking the destruction of the Dark Cabal. Can examine a Wizard as a side-action to determine if they are part of the Cabal.
Grey Mage: Taking justice into his own hands, he can incapacitate a player each duel as a side-action.
Seer: He can examine one player each duel as a side action to learn their Affinity.
Basic Rules:
The Voting phase will go for 48 hours, or until everyone has cast their two votes. All votes must be in Red
The Set-up phase will last for 48 hours or until everyone has determined their actions.
PMs between players are allowed, and as usual I must be copied on all of them.
Quoting a PM from me (that is not specifically a rules question) will result in a mod-kill. You may quote PMs from other players if you wish.
Incapacitated players may make one final post before heading off to the Medical ward. It may NOT convey any game information.
Unlike most mafias, the game does not actually end until a player has become the High Mage. Therefore all players have two goals, the most important being that someone from their side becomes High Mage. Once the other side has lost, your goal becomes attaining the position of High Mage for yourself.
Post by: Org on November 09, 2009, 08:36:53 pm
Post by: Neruz on November 09, 2009, 08:39:54 pm
Vote Org.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 09, 2009, 08:41:26 pm
Post by: Org on November 09, 2009, 08:43:09 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 09, 2009, 08:47:19 pm
Voting for Org
Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2009, 08:49:42 pm
Also, adding in JanusTwoFace since he was sad he missed out on the last one.
Post by: Org on November 09, 2009, 08:50:31 pm
Post by: Neruz on November 09, 2009, 08:51:16 pm
If you keep the Cabal with a +2 bonus though, then we're gonna need the extra 2 townies. If you drop the bonus to +1, then 12 is fine.
Also, putting both my votes on Org.
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 09, 2009, 09:25:51 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2009, 11:41:50 pm
Also, adding in JanusTwoFace since he was sad he missed out on the last one.Yay!
Post by: Halmie on November 10, 2009, 07:43:19 am
14
Post by: Kashyyk on November 10, 2009, 12:58:42 pm
not again... :'(
Post by: Mephansteras on November 10, 2009, 01:10:14 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 10, 2009, 01:11:29 pm
I'm in!
Post by: ExKirby on November 10, 2009, 01:24:25 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2009, 04:25:40 pm
I think twelve is a decent enough number for the game, but if people want to run it with fourteen, I'm fine with that.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 12, 2009, 06:26:53 pm
Post by: Vector on November 13, 2009, 12:21:47 am
Post by: rickvoid on November 13, 2009, 05:21:54 pm
Read through a couple previous wizard duels, looks like fun.
I'm cool with 12 players, but if you want to wait for more, no problem.
Post by: rickvoid on November 15, 2009, 05:38:45 pm
So the thread was the first casualty of the game?
This is not a bump.
Post by: Vector on November 15, 2009, 05:42:38 pm
Post by: rickvoid on November 15, 2009, 06:02:39 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 15, 2009, 07:40:03 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 16, 2009, 02:22:32 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 16, 2009, 02:36:14 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 16, 2009, 02:38:09 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 16, 2009, 03:23:58 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 16, 2009, 03:46:58 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 16, 2009, 03:55:18 pm
Here are the two previous games. Reading those will give you a good idea of what it is about.
Game 1: http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=41999.0
Game 2: http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42941.0
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 16, 2009, 04:52:53 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 19, 2009, 01:19:06 pm
Finalized rules will be up in the next day or so.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 19, 2009, 05:00:07 pm
Post by: rickvoid on November 19, 2009, 06:43:41 pm
That should make for longer duels. I also notice that the Warrior Mage starts with a whopping 30 health. Nice.
Now I'm tempted to check previous versions of this to make sure I'm not being an idiot right now.
Post by: Frelock on November 19, 2009, 07:23:30 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 19, 2009, 07:24:48 pm
2 spots open at this point, but I'm happy to start this Monday with the people we have.
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 02:51:08 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2009, 02:54:56 am
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 20, 2009, 03:43:00 am
Anyway- Yea, joining.
Post by: rickvoid on November 20, 2009, 08:06:55 am
Interesting roles.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2009, 11:09:18 am
For now, though, that gives us 14. I was going to wait for Monday to start this, but I suppose I could get started today if people want.
Post by: rickvoid on November 20, 2009, 11:13:38 am
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 20, 2009, 01:47:04 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2009, 02:32:39 pm
Post by: rickvoid on November 20, 2009, 03:21:49 pm
XD
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2009, 08:33:48 pm
For thousands of years the Great Council of Wizards, lead by the High Mage, has helped protect and guide the Kingdom. And, with the recent death of the previous High Mage, the great Tournament of the Wizard's Duel is about to begin. Here a small group of elite Wizards, chosen for their wisdom, power, or political acumen will duel one another for the seat of High Mage.
And yet, a shadow has been cast over the Tournament this year. Rumors persist that the previous High Mage did not die of natural causes, and that a Cabal of Dark Wizards has formed to try and usurp the seat of High Mage for themselves. It is whispered that they have infiltrated this very tournament, and seek to win through any means available.
Be on your guard, Wizards. For it is you who shall choose each pair of Duelists. Choose wisely, and you may ascend the the Seat of High Mage yourself. Choose poorly, and you may find the Kingdom plunged into Darkness and Chaos by foul powers.
Well, 5pm has come and gone, so the game begins anyway. So Vote-Phase for Round 1 Has begun!
Remember that you have two votes to place, one for each Wizard you wish to have go into the ring.
Vote Phase will go until ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Also, please remember to PM me your Elemental Affinity, Rune Color, and any other Fluff you want about your mage. (Uses staves or wands, wears a pointy hat, whatever).
Post by: Neruz on November 20, 2009, 08:37:04 pm
Pandarsenic, please tell me why you are Cabal.
Also Meph, role pm pwease?
Post by: Neruz on November 20, 2009, 08:38:53 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2009, 08:42:20 pm
Ok, sorry everyone! I'll have to reconfigure things to get Neruz in (since he should have been the whole time). Give me a few minutes to do that.
Round 3 will be rebooted shortly.
Post by: rickvoid on November 20, 2009, 08:43:29 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 20, 2009, 08:43:35 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2009, 08:48:53 pm
Glows...no, since I tend to write about the runes glowing and whatnot anyway.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 20, 2009, 08:56:25 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2009, 09:01:12 pm
Oh, and I've exceeded my number of PMs for the hour, so...you'll get your new roles in a bit.
Post by: Neruz on November 20, 2009, 09:03:05 pm
Post by: rickvoid on November 20, 2009, 09:04:55 pm
Sorry.
Oh, and I've exceeded my number of PMs for the hour, so...you'll get your new roles in a bit.
*Rick Void casts Finger of Suspicion: Bay12Games Forum*
Post by: rickvoid on November 20, 2009, 10:36:25 pm
Post by: Halmie on November 20, 2009, 10:47:48 pm
Post by: rickvoid on November 20, 2009, 11:01:00 pm
Fluff Items?
Whether you're using a staff or a wand or something else, some special piece of clothing you're wearing, that kind of thing.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2009, 01:02:48 am
Post by: Halmie on November 21, 2009, 01:08:38 am
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 21, 2009, 01:10:55 am
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2009, 01:12:30 am
That being said, I do not believe I have played a game with MagmaDeath, Halmie, rickvoid, or RandomNumberGenerator, so where better to start the day 1 inquiries!
MagmaDeath: Assuming you were town, how much of an advantage would you have to have over a cabal mage to consider volunteering for the ring?
Halmie: If you are unsure of the alignment of either mage in a dual, which attribute do you believe would help the tower (as a whole) the most to assist with? (Assume you are not allowed to No Assist)
rickvoid: What is your opinon of random voting (as demonstrated by RNG & Halmie before I had a chance to finish this message)?
RandomNumberGenerator: Assuming you (as vanilla tower), another tower mage (also vanilla), and a known cabal member (chocolate, as it were) were the only three mages left, which two would you vote into the ring? (And why?)
Side note: BE ACTIVE! (Or I shall do everything in my power to smite thee!)
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2009, 01:13:45 am
Good Org and JanusTwoFace. Let's let the two previous champs fight it out.
I'll vote for MagmaDeath and RedWarrior0, just because of their names.
Bah humbug on random voting with absolutely nothing else to say! FoS on the both of you! (Granted, a small one because a lot of people do it)
Post by: Halmie on November 21, 2009, 01:21:37 am
Post by: Halmie on November 21, 2009, 01:23:38 am
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2009, 01:30:11 am
Probably speed or healing, as they show who hits and what happens when it does.
A fair enough response, although I'd personally limit myself to only speed. Although I haven't updated my simulation script to the new rules, assisting one player with speed (using Air for the assist), would give a Tower wizard a slight boost over a Cabal wizard or a Cabal wizard a significant boost over a Tower one. Either way, you can hopefully end up with more information than you started with.
And I randomly voted becuase there wasn't really anything at all to go on.
Understandable. There's never anything to go on the first day, thus most people random vote. Personally, I think it's kind of silly. I'd much rather get people talking and get a feel for their strategies and speech patterns. Especially in a game like Wizard Dual which has a stronger tactical component than regular mafias.
That being said, throw out some questions. At the very least, you'll get some interesting responses and we'll get a chance to see what you're interested in. Nothing helps the scum more than an inactive tower!
(Ok, there are a few things, like actively hostile townies, but I don't think that will be a problem)
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2009, 01:34:06 am
I'll vote for MagmaDeath and RedWarrior0, just because of their names.
This makes me curious why you choose these two over rickvoid for example. Or rather just RedWarrior, I can understand MagmaDeath. It's just that Warrior seems like a fine upstanding role for a Tower mage to have...
Perhaps you and RedWarrior are two of the Cabal! What have you to say to that?
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2009, 01:34:47 am
(Bah for no edits, I'm tired. I'm going to bed now.)
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2009, 01:38:14 am
ExKirby. Can't go wrong with tradition. But seriously, ExKirby, if you vote for yourself again, I will not hesitate to get everyone to vote you into the ring and assist against you during the match. Do we have an understanding?
JanusTwoFace: You're being awfully chatty for the RVS. Really, really chatty. What's going on? You're not Cabal trying to make yourself look good by trying to make the RVS somehow helpful, are you?
MOD: Can you add something in the technical rules about how wizards in the duel cannot perform their side actions? It's been a point of confusion in past games.
Additionally, do we know how many Cabal are around? It's been revealed in the past two games, but since we have slightly more people now, it might not be the typical three.
Post by: Frelock on November 21, 2009, 01:51:20 am
Also, Org, are you going to lurk to the end again for the win?
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2009, 01:54:46 am
In any case, there are 4 Cabal this time.
I'll go through the rules tomorrow and clean things up and make sure a lot of the areas that caused confusion in the past are explained better.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 21, 2009, 02:21:05 am
RandomNumberGenerator: Assuming you (as vanilla tower), another tower mage (also vanilla), and a known cabal member (chocolate, as it were) were the only three mages left, which two would you vote into the ring? (And why?)
Well, I would vote the Cabal in for a start. I don't see any benefit for us two towers to fight it out. As for as putting myself or the other at large... Well, it depends. What are the abilities of each? Is one a battle mage, or is one mainly support?
I'll vote for MagmaDeath and RedWarrior0, just because of their names.
This makes me curious why you choose these two over rickvoid for example. Or rather just RedWarrior, I can understand MagmaDeath. It's just that Warrior seems like a fine upstanding role for a Tower mage to have...
Perhaps you and RedWarrior are two of the Cabal! What have you to say to that?
I thought it would be fun to see two Fire Mages duke it out, assuming they choose fire as their element. I thought they would because of their names. Do you get my reasoning now?
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 21, 2009, 02:29:39 am
"Hey, I'm a new face of sorts on this forum- Not quite to mafia in general, although I'll happily admit I've found far many more talented players. Regardless- as always, if anyone wants to see my happy little trail go ahead and ask."
A grin already covering his mouth- He nods his head first to Janus, glances around, eyes taking in the few people he recognizes. The sword flips, and goes into the sheath, where he leaves it, unneeded in a hall dedicated to less physical studies. Standing, aware it would be pointless to remain seated at this time.
"On the other hand, over here- I played in Kirb's BYOR, so if you're interested in my play as a cultist, surprisingly bad at the end, I'll admit, go ahead and look over there. As for the ring-"
Shaking his head, he twitches one hand out, as though he were a bird-keeper- and a bird of flames dances out of a tattoo on his raised palm, and alights upon his arm.
"I'd really rather not. I might have been a little more skilled once- but I doubt I'm going to hold my own in the ring. If we must test someone, I can confirm I'll be a good base-line for your average mage, but I honestly doubt I can represent much more. I suspect I might be more helpful outside the arena, although even then mainly to give a hand to anyone going against one of those fiends."
Carefully, his left hand dances across the Phoenix careful not to get burnt- giving the Phoenix a little attention, and showing off the little bit his skills appear to actually be good for. His hand moving on it's own, he pauses for a moment, before making an indication with his head to the moderately sized pack in one corner.
"Ah, I should mention- I've accumulated quite a bit of junk, don't mind it-"
Hearing RNG's speech, he pauses, then answers with a chuckle-
"They're both vanilla, they have no powers- Do you want to throw in another first, or yourself first? It's a rather simple theoretical question isn't it? And fire is rather simple- there's far interesting combinations, besides, isn't Magma both Earth and fire?"
Post by: Vector on November 21, 2009, 02:52:33 am
... Carry on >_>
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 21, 2009, 03:05:08 am
MagmaDeath: Assuming you were town, how much of an advantage would you have to have over a cabal mage to consider volunteering for the ring?Well, I don't think I would have too much of an advantage, Their stat boosts seem to give them a pretty large advantage to start with,.
I'm going to stick Org And ExKirby out there, since Org always lurks a ton, and ExKirby is just ExKirby...
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Post by: MagmaDeath on November 21, 2009, 03:05:53 am
I always screw up the forum Color code.
Post by: rickvoid on November 21, 2009, 08:19:38 am
Good day, fellow Wizards! Since my reign of terror has come to an end (see Wizard Dual 1), I have lain down my dark ways and hope to work with my fellow mages to rid the tower of this new batch of Cabal!Good morning all. Just woke up.
That being said, I do not believe I have played a game with MagmaDeath, Halmie, rickvoid, or RandomNumberGenerator, so where better to start the day 1 inquiries!
MagmaDeath: Assuming you were town, how much of an advantage would you have to have over a cabal mage to consider volunteering for the ring?
Halmie: If you are unsure of the alignment of either mage in a dual, which attribute do you believe would help the tower (as a whole) the most to assist with? (Assume you are not allowed to No Assist)
rickvoid: What is your opinon of random voting (as demonstrated by RNG & Halmie before I had a chance to finish this message)?
RandomNumberGenerator: Assuming you (as vanilla tower), another tower mage (also vanilla), and a known cabal member (chocolate, as it were) were the only three mages left, which two would you vote into the ring? (And why?)
Side note: BE ACTIVE! (Or I shall do everything in my power to smite thee!)
I'm going to use the RVS for two purposes. The first is to get the Lurkers in here. Org, that's you. Don't make this an eternal vote.
The second is to prod people for questions. For example, PrinnyBaal, while I enjoyed reading your flavor text, it was distracting. We should worry less right now about keeping ourselves out of the ring, and more about getting scum into the ring, eh?
rickvoid, explain your username. Does it have something to do with an impenetrable black darkness, or is it a permeable black darkness? And what's with the rick attached to it?
Rick Void was the name of a character I was using for a short lived series of short stories I was writing. Couldn't put him in anything awesome, but I loved the name. I use it for everything now.
Just so everybody knows, I'll be watching the thread at work, on the phone. I may post, but I can't access BBCode, and I don't have brackets on my phone, so I can't type it out there. I should only be off for about seven hours, and then my hunt shall resume.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 08:37:09 am
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 08:38:58 am
"If anyone can tell me why I wouldn't want to see Org and ExKirby in the ring, I should like to know."God damnit guys I was sleeping. I cant post while Im sleeping.
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 08:40:32 am
Post by: rickvoid on November 21, 2009, 09:21:30 am
And Panda, if two other had done scummy things, I'd want them in the ring instead. As this is not yet the case, I would be comfortable with that.
Org, FFS, there's only two or three votes on you if I recall corectly, calm down.
Post by: ExKirby on November 21, 2009, 09:22:58 am
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 09:27:13 am
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 21, 2009, 09:35:19 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That, thus far. Now for some sleep-depravity based ravings.
Yea, I realized someone would inevitably object to the RP block- I can summarize next time. I just wanted to get a little flavor going first in my head before I returned the fluff to Meph, so I figured- I wrote it up getting my head working, may as well post it. The last little bit was a PPE, but that's nothing new. Aside from that, it's really not that unusual. TBH, I love doing whole rounds in RP, but I'm always dissatisfied with any post I make that way, so I suppose I'll avoid actually doing it. If people don't mind though, perhaps I could make a "Flavor" spoiler for each post, and then just leave the main post as an actual standard post.
Meh.
As far as silly RVP votes go, I'm totally going to go ahead and give Halmie a random prod, and... hmmm, no one else- guess I'll just prod the Random Number G
Nothings going on so... TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS NOT AIMED AT ME!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 21, 2009, 09:41:56 am
"They're both vanilla, they have no powers- Do you want to throw in another first, or yourself first? It's a rather simple theoretical question isn't it? And fire is rather simple- there's far interesting combinations, besides, isn't Magma both Earth and fire?"
Oh, well if that's the case, I would throw the other guy in the ring. It's simple logic; the survivor of the fight will not have full health at the end, and it increases my chances of winning if he fights before I do.
Post by: rickvoid on November 21, 2009, 09:45:54 am
And yipee! I found the brackets, so I can now vote and unvote from my phone. Still can't see color, so no idea when someone else has voted though.
Holding my vote in reserve for now.
Post by: ExKirby on November 21, 2009, 10:11:37 am
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 21, 2009, 10:12:28 am
We can't argue with tradition, so I'm going to, if I'm allowed, Double-Vote myself. If not, one on me and one on Org.
While you've done this before, I'm wondering why you're so eager to get into the ring. Are you a battleage perhaps? Or do you have a bonus to your abilities, fueled by black magic? Either way, I think that ExKirby should be one of the first combatants, so we know where he's standing...
I actually enjoy RP quite a bit, but I feel that this is neither the time nor the place to do this. Not while the Dark Cabal are standing among oursel- oh look, there I go doing it. Either way, try to limit yourself in the future so everyone understand what you're saying, PrinnyBaal.
Yea, I realized someone would inevitably object to the RP block- I can summarize next time. I just wanted to get a little flavor going first in my head before I returned the fluff to Meph, so I figured- I wrote it up getting my head working, may as well post it. The last little bit was a PPE, but that's nothing new. Aside from that, it's really not that unusual. TBH, I love doing whole rounds in RP, but I'm always dissatisfied with any post I make that way, so I suppose I'll avoid actually doing it. If people don't mind though, perhaps I could make a "Flavor" spoiler for each post, and then just leave the main post as an actual standard post.
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 11:39:22 am
Post by: ExKirby on November 21, 2009, 11:55:45 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2009, 11:59:51 am
ExKirby. Can't go wrong with tradition. But seriously, ExKirby, if you vote for yourself again, I will not hesitate to get everyone to vote you into the ring and assist against you during the match. Do we have an understanding?
Or are you just trying to deliberately make us waste a match on you?
Whatever the case, I encourage everybody to vote for ExKirby into the ring, because I don't want any of this self-vote WIFOM around. Unless he does the smart thing unvotes himself.
And why is everybody voting for Org? If it's a policy lynch, I object to that on principle.
Anyways, unvote rickvoid. You pass... for now.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2009, 12:01:01 pm
ExKirby : ExKirby, Jim Groovester, MagmaDeath, Org, Pandarsenic, RandomNumberGenerator
Halmie : PrinnyBaal
JanusTwoFace : Halmie
MagmaDeath : Org
Org : ExKirby, Frelock, Halmie, MagmaDeath, Pandarsenic
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, RandomNumberGenerator, rickvoid
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
Post by: ExKirby on November 21, 2009, 12:03:44 pm
ExKirby, did you miss what I said earlier?OK, so I missed it. So I'm probably gonna go into the ring anyway, so Unvote me.ExKirby. Can't go wrong with tradition. But seriously, ExKirby, if you vote for yourself again, I will not hesitate to get everyone to vote you into the ring and assist against you during the match. Do we have an understanding?
Or are you just trying to deliberately make us waste a match on you?
Whatever the case, I encourage everybody to vote for ExKirby into the ring, because I don't want any of this self-vote WIFOM around. Unless he does the smart thing unvotes himself.
And why is everybody voting for Org? If it's a policy lynch, I object to that on principle.
Anyways, unvote rickvoid. You pass... for now.
Onto the matter of Org, well, he generally lurks, making it impossible to read a scumtell of him (See my BYOR for how to REALLY lurk). Therefor, we assume his scummyness and vote him.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2009, 12:09:41 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 21, 2009, 12:44:01 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 21, 2009, 01:07:28 pm
I'm probably gonna go into the ring anyway, so Unvote me.So you still want to go into the ring?
...
I'm keeping my vote on you.
Post by: Frelock on November 21, 2009, 01:14:13 pm
Org, you have made three posts:
-One saying you were sleeping. Alright, you're awake now, so post.
-Two ask for a votecount. If you would actually read the thread, you shouldn't need a votecount to make a post with some content.
My vote stays on you for the time being.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2009, 01:27:23 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 21, 2009, 01:51:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2009, 02:04:55 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2009, 02:08:53 pm
Kashyyk and Pandar are voting for the same people.
As are Frelock and MagmaDeath. Why are you singling out Kashyyk and Pandarsenic?
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 21, 2009, 02:15:02 pm
Post by: Neruz on November 21, 2009, 02:58:41 pm
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 03:09:50 pm
Unvote PrinnyBaal. You're just really asking for it, arn't you Exkirby. First you vote yourself. I can't say there's any suprise there, but I always say that if someone volunteers to go into the ring, then they should be put there without delay (take Web for example in the first match). Then you pull the same stunt you did in LCS mafia and pry about for a day shortening (though given, you're more subtle about it this time). We're not completely done yet, though I believe we're done with you.I made 4 posts.
Org, you have made three posts:
-One saying you were sleeping. Alright, you're awake now, so post.
-Two ask for a votecount. If you would actually read the thread, you shouldn't need a votecount to make a post with some content.
My vote stays on you for the time being.
I shall place my two vote on Org and ExKirby, you cannot fight tradition.FOS Neruz not good enough
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Org is his usual lurker self, (admittedly I'm a lurker, but at least I try to be active) and ExKirby is just being weird in my opinion, anyway ExKirby, what makes you think that you will be able to survive enough duels if you start fighting at the beginning? o.Okashykk? You usually lurk more than i do
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2009, 03:59:32 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 21, 2009, 04:06:36 pm
@Kashyyk, Pandar, Frelock, Magma, and Neruz: Why?
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2009, 04:24:22 pm
Also, I'm not actually sure why I voted Org. Probably because everyone else was doing the two together as well.
So yeh, unvote Org
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2009, 05:00:51 pm
ExKirby : Frelock, Kashyyk, MagmaDeath, Org, Pandarsenic, RandomNumberGenerator
Halmie : PrinnyBaal
JanusTwoFace : Halmie
Kashyyk : RedWarrior0
MagmaDeath : Org
Org : ExKirby, Frelock, Halmie, MagmaDeath, Pandarsenic
Pandarsenic : RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : RandomNumberGenerator, rickvoid
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 05:10:55 pm
"If anyone can tell me why I wouldn't want to see Org and ExKirby in the ring, I should like to know."Still waiting.
Post by: Frelock on November 21, 2009, 05:21:54 pm
Post by: Neruz on November 21, 2009, 05:32:29 pm
Post by: rickvoid on November 21, 2009, 05:42:24 pm
The Org train is fricken huge. He has posted more today than he usually does, but I'm betting that has something to do with the number of votes on him.
Uh, I did kinda answer you. Yes, Org and ExKirby are lurker scum, but they're obvious lurker scum. If they are both cabal, then we still have two other dark mages to ferret out. I'd prefer putting a pair of players in the ring who have done something scummier than what seems to be business as usual for these two."If anyone can tell me why I wouldn't want to see Org and ExKirby in the ring, I should like to know."Still waiting.
That means we need to start asking questions and getting answers. I'm going to trawl the thread, find some unanswered questions, answer them, and think up a few of my own.
Unvote PrinnyBaal. You're just really asking for it, arn't you Exkirby. First you vote yourself. I can't say there's any suprise there, but I always say that if someone volunteers to go into the ring, then they should be put there without delay (take Web for example in the first match). Then you pull the same stunt you did in LCS mafia and pry about for a day shortening (though given, you're more subtle about it this time). We're not completely done yet, though I believe we're done with you.I made 4 posts.
Org, you have made three posts:
-One saying you were sleeping. Alright, you're awake now, so post.
-Two ask for a votecount. If you would actually read the thread, you shouldn't need a votecount to make a post with some content.
My vote stays on you for the time being.
The number of posts you have made matters less the what was in those posts, Org. Specifically, you refused to talk, or even random vote, until you got a vote count. That's a little smelly right there.
I shall place my two vote on Org and ExKirby, you cannot fight tradition.FOS Neruz not good enough
OMGUS, without a vote?
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 05:58:15 pm
I know. But to me I feel like I post more content. I'm most probably biased however, so we might need someone esle to comment on that.Not really,
@Rick: ? No. FOS. because he didnt have a great reason.
Easy lynch"If anyone can tell me why I wouldn't want to see Org and ExKirby in the ring, I should like to know."Still waiting.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 06:07:50 pm
Dwarf Logic Time: We should use them to test if we've found Cabal with our Colosseum.
Back to DF for now.
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 06:11:31 pm
Actually, unvote ExKirby.Wait. What. Unvote the guy who WANTS to be in there?
Dwarf Logic Time: We should use them to test if we've found Cabal with our Colosseum.
Back to DF for now.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2009, 06:30:27 pm
Actually, unvote ExKirby.Wait. What. Unvote the guy who WANTS to be in there?
Dwarf Logic Time: We should use them to test if we've found Cabal with our Colosseum.
Back to DF for now.
He did unvote for himself. Though I basically had to threaten him to do it.
I hope he's learned a lesson.
Anyways, Pandarsenic, what made you change your mind about ExKirby?
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 06:44:53 pm
Honestly, they're both just meat to throw at the Cabal to me.
Post by: Halmie on November 21, 2009, 07:20:50 pm
Vote ExKirby ofcourse. He still wants to go in the ring. Just doesn't want to have all the assists against him.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 21, 2009, 07:40:56 pm
Sorry I was asleep. Unvote JanusTwoFace.Which is what makes me think he might be scum. Cabal's native power boost is enough to win if the assists are fairly even, but if all are piled onto one then the Cabal will still lose.
Vote ExKirby ofcourse. He still wants to go in the ring. Just doesn't want to have all the assists against him.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 21, 2009, 07:52:52 pm
Anyway, I'd like to point out that technically, near everything that's going to happen day 1 is going to be policy on some level, although to be honest, the piles revolving around Kirb and Org are both rather full of oddities. A bunch of people started backing down off of Kirb, but it seems that every time someone would get back and replace a vote. Huh. I'm not used to it being so perfect timing as that.
... Well, I guess I may as well ask more questions for people to answer; nothing directed atm, but I'd like everyone to answer if they can, as these questions will be important for one method of scum hunting.
1: Is it better for the town to leave matches between pairs of suspected scum evenly balanced in terms of assists; Please explain your answer.
2: If a player is unsuspected for being scum, and is in with someone who is suspected for being scum, how should you help; Please explain your answer.
3: What implications do turn 1 to 2 victories have on the victor; If they used their opponent's element? If they used a neutral element? If they used the opposite element?
4: What implications does a particularly long or drawn out fight imply for the victor; If they used their opponent's element? If they used a neutral element? If they used the opposite element?
5: Do your homework; If you check, for this game health was increased, which should cause many battles to be slightly more drawn out. For that matter, one other thing changed notably that should be factored in, what is this?
... And PPE: You two, you do realize he's pointed out it's tradition at this point; as in, most people are going to vote him in anyway? Look at the votes so far day 1; He only came on after he had a couple votes already. I appreciate the thought, you put into voting him, but it seems improperly biased still. Meh.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 08:29:27 pm
1: Is it better for the town to leave matches between pairs of suspected scum evenly balanced in terms of assists; Please explain your answer. Leave it balanced, that way whichever one lives is weakened.
2: If a player is unsuspected for being scum, and is in with someone who is suspected for being scum, how should you help; Please explain your answer. Depends how sure you are. If you're reasonably confident he's against scum, pump that sucker up. He's gonna need it.
3: What implications do turn 1 to 2 victories have on the victor; If they used their opponent's element? If they used a neutral element? If they used the opposite element?
4: What implications does a particularly long or drawn out fight imply for the victor; If they used their opponent's element? If they used a neutral element? If they used the opposite element? if they used their opponents element but still had a drawn out fight, they're probably a combat-oriented or Cabal Wizard. Neutral element, they're about evenly matched, so unless he was against a combat-oriented mage he's PROBABLY not Cabal. If he used the opposite element but still won after a while, he's probably not Cabal.
5: Do your homework; If you check, for this game health was increased, which should cause many battles to be slightly more drawn out. For that matter, one other thing changed notably that should be factored in, what is this? No idea, I wasn't alive in Wizard Duel 2 to remember its rules and I don't much care. I'm just working within the present ruleset.
This is all obvious or useless.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2009, 11:26:58 pm
Behold: An insane wall of text!
Summary (for those who don't want to read the full version):
- FoS Kashyyk, Pandarsenic, Frelock MagmaDeath, and Neruz for going for an (appearantly) well supported lynch right off the bat. It looks like you are Cabal trying to get two Tower mages into the ring right off the bat and are going for easy targets.
- FoS Org for posting but nothing of real consequence (par for the course really, but that doesn't excuse it)
- RandomNumberGenerator and Kashyyk (at the very least) should go through and double check the rules again on healing between battles (at least I think I'm right, I'll go check too)
Mod: Mages start each battle with full health, correct?
Spoiler: Oh man this is long (click to show/hide)
That being said:
- vote Neruz for joining the Org/ExKirby wagon right after Jim Grovvester (always thought it was Groovestar, oops), RedWarrior, and Kashyyk were arguing about just that and for not really having much content yet either
- vote Pandarsenic for going after Org/ExKirby even as an experienced player without providing an explanation beyond 'well why shouldn't I?'
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 11:30:09 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 21, 2009, 11:40:18 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2009, 12:10:52 am
Bitch, unvote me or give me a good reason not to use them as test subjects. It's not like they'll help us any other way
That's an odd response. Test subjects for what?
Anyway, here's a reason to unvote them: they're not guilty of anything other than being bad players at this point.
I get you're fed up with them, but that's no reason to carry the grudge you have against them (which you make known just about everywhere in this subforum) into this game.
Halmie, you're guilty of joining the Org-ExKirby bandwagon.
Sorry I was asleep. Unvote JanusTwoFace.
Vote ExKirby ofcourse. He still wants to go in the ring. Just doesn't want to have all the assists against him.
We might as well make sure that ExKirby wanting to be in the ring is the case.
ExKirby: Do you still want to go into the ring, or was my attempt to get you to change this tradition you keep perpetuating useless?
Back to you, Halmie. Is there any particular reason why you think ExKirby not wanting the assists to be piled against him is a scummy thing to do?
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2009, 12:15:56 am
Bitch, unvote me or give me a good reason not to use them as test subjects. It's not like they'll help us any other way
As a general rule, I wouldn't particularly mind you using them as test subjects, especially Org. However, I think that your behavior is more scummy than theirs at the present point, thus the vote.
Also, I agree with Jim. Test subjects for what exactly? Cabal experimentation?
Post by: Mephansteras on November 22, 2009, 12:34:20 am
All mages are healed completely before and after combat. The healing assist is only used to heal mages during combat.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 22, 2009, 12:59:11 am
Bitch, unvote me or give me a good reason not to use them as test subjects. It's not like they'll help us any other way
As a general rule, I wouldn't particularly mind you using them as test subjects, especially Org. However, I think that your behavior is more scummy than theirs at the present point, thus the vote.
Also, I agree with Jim. Test subjects for what exactly? Cabal experimentation?
See how fast they die against people. If they die too fast they're probably scum.
How am I more scummy?
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 22, 2009, 02:25:46 am
If the cabal has the advantage, and while yes; it's true statistically, we can analyze the pattern and find general categories for people's hits/blocks etc, there's a problem; Even if that finds Cabal, doesn't it tend to find them slower? God forbid the Cabal uses that; and we end up getting the weakest Cabal roles first, and the strongest Cabal roles last. If we're slow about it, we'll never actually succeed. That's what my reading of the last two games has picked up.
So; wouldn't the best method of finding Cabal actually to be to let people to assist the one they believe is the townie; and try and refine our cabal hunting speed through a combination of that, as well as things like what people say, and the various other things.
Just... I dunno, maybe as an outsider that's my opinion that hasn't been influenced by the games, but really; we can't let the game go down to the narrow margin if we have a choice.
Anyway; as for my thoughts thus far; I can't really point at anyone specifically. I'm working on forming my own suspicions, but... not much to say. I suppose next I should start getting PMs going, and try and decide where to dedicate my attention...
Post by: Halmie on November 22, 2009, 02:35:39 am
And I'm pretty sure I was the first one to vote for anyone. If ExKirby doesn't want to be in the ring I will retract my vote.
I'm tired and it seems like whoever I vote for is a scumtell. Org has a history of being unhelpful. If we can use him for tests maybe he can help in another way.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 22, 2009, 02:43:11 am
Sorry for any problems caused thereby.
Post by: Halmie on November 22, 2009, 03:21:32 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2009, 03:29:43 am
See how fast they die against people. If they die too fast they're probably scum.
How am I more scummy?
If who dies too fast who's scum?
As for your scumminess, Pandarsenic, it might have to do with how you don't care whether Org or ExKirby are Tower. And it might have something to do with you starting, or at the very least, encouraging a bandwagon on the two just because you didn't like them.
So; wouldn't the best method of finding Cabal actually to be to let people to assist the one they believe is the townie; and try and refine our cabal hunting speed through a combination of that, as well as things like what people say, and the various other things.
No. Letting people assist how they please muddies up the results of the duel even more than the random nature of its combat does.
Say a Tower and a Cabal are duking it out. The Cabal will invent some reason to help their partner, while everybody else splits their assists evenly between the two duelists. The Cabal will win. Can you attribute the win to his boosted stats? No, of course not, because he had all those assists. His victory means nothing in terms of Towerness or Cabalness.
Let's say the same situation occurs, but everybody agrees to not assist. The Cabal wins, and he used the wrong element. Can you attribute that to his boosted stats? Not necessarily, but it's a better indicator that he might be Cabal than if everybody assisted freely.
It's therefore more informative to arrange assists as a group.
You see what I'm getting at? Last round, we arranged our assists like that, and we did a pretty decent job finding scum, even though Org still won. It's not like that was the only reason for our success in finding scum, though, but it may have helped.
I didn't say it was scummy. Tests need to be done and if ExKirby wants to be part of it I'm cool with that. Anyway it may mean he doesn't have a power role and is cabal or
And I'm pretty sure I was the first one to vote for anyone. If ExKirby doesn't want to be in the ring I will retract my vote.
I'm tired and it seems like whoever I vote for is a scumtell. Org has a history of being unhelpful. If we can use him for tests maybe he can help in another way.
You were the first to vote for Org, but you were the latest person to vote for ExKirby. So, a half bandwagon.
I don't really care that you were the first to vote, or that you were the first to vote for Org. It's the reasons that are important to me. I find it suspicious, however, that you would tout that you were first to vote. Were you trying to avoid being accused of being on a bandwagon by pointing out that you were first? Was it a Cabal scheme you cooked up?
I understand your opinion of Org, and everybody else's for that matter, but has he really done anything in this game that makes you think he's Cabal? If not, I think you should seriously reexamine your reasons for voting for him.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 22, 2009, 03:31:33 am
Yeah it's the same for me. Keeps timing out on me.And for me.
Jim: If our test subjects die too fast, their opponents are probably scum. Would you like me to hold your hand or stop using pronouns? Honestly, a little effort, please.
And honestly? I'm not scum. I'm just saying, this is honestly the best use I can think of for them. It's not like they're going to help us find scum. Hostility to people who are unhelpful isn't being scum, it's being sick of their bullshit.
Post by: Halmie on November 22, 2009, 03:43:02 am
Jim: First you accuse me of bandwagon then you say ok its a half bandwagon then you ask why I said I voted first. huh?
I am sticking my vote on Org unless he does some serious scumhunting to prove he is worth not testing. This is not a death warrant unless ExKirby is a power role. And why are you and Janus so protective of Org anyway?
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 22, 2009, 03:46:47 am
While yes, we'll see stats sliding up and down, and one person's victory will be harder to claim one way or another; BUT: We still get the exchanges, don't we? The description of whether an attack broke through, whether it was a killing blow or there were more shots...
Not only that; but isn't it rather awkward to start claiming it was the Cabal's superior stats any time someone wins? 11 to 10 isn't a spectacular advantage, and the randomness... well, I foresee problems already with a statement like that.
Still, if there are more shots we can tell something already, if three attacks appeared to hit we can tell something already; That's because we have math, we have formulas, we can tell what the basic % chance of a win, and not just that, but also a particular attack hitting are. So yes and no.
Not only that, but if the whole Cabal openly assists on the same side as their allies won't we notice? That's exactly the sort of thing I would hope they would do; sure, they can claim they have reasons that they would assist but eventually it'll come down to arguing about who's appearing to have reasons and who's actually being honest anyway when we're trying to get figure out who else to test for Cabal strength for our next duel, right?
Perhaps all this is just my perspective on this, but really I just think it's generally true.
Sorry to distract on this end, but in all honesty, I feel I should get this out of the way for me ahead of time since I clearly have a different perspective it would seem.
PPE: It says so in the first post, as far as I can tell. That's why I PMed a bunch of people.
Post by: Neruz on November 22, 2009, 04:04:32 am
- vote Neruz for joining the Org/ExKirby wagon right after Jim Grovvester (always thought it was Groovestar, oops), RedWarrior, and Kashyyk were arguing about just that and for not really having much content yet either
I suggest you check again; i voted Kirby into the ring right at the start of the game, it's just that the game had to be restarted and thus my vote didn't count, as the game was restarted while i was asleep, i didn't get to restate my vote until after everyone else had jumped on the wagon.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 22, 2009, 06:39:17 am
This is because I don't want to be a hypocrite. I know I lurk, so I can't vote other people for lurking. See what I'm getting at?
Post by: ExKirby on November 22, 2009, 09:36:10 am
I'd die either way if votes were piled on me, and I want to die fairly.Sorry I was asleep. Unvote JanusTwoFace.Which is what makes me think he might be scum. Cabal's native power boost is enough to win if the assists are fairly even, but if all are piled onto one then the Cabal will still lose.
Vote ExKirby ofcourse. He still wants to go in the ring. Just doesn't want to have all the assists against him.
I do want to stay in the ring. I think it's become a habit of mine =3Bitch, unvote me or give me a good reason not to use them as test subjects. It's not like they'll help us any other way
That's an odd response. Test subjects for what?
Anyway, here's a reason to unvote them: they're not guilty of anything other than being bad players at this point.
I get you're fed up with them, but that's no reason to carry the grudge you have against them (which you make known just about everywhere in this subforum) into this game.
Halmie, you're guilty of joining the Org-ExKirby bandwagon.Sorry I was asleep. Unvote JanusTwoFace.
Vote ExKirby ofcourse. He still wants to go in the ring. Just doesn't want to have all the assists against him.
We might as well make sure that ExKirby wanting to be in the ring is the case.
ExKirby: Do you still want to go into the ring, or was my attempt to get you to change this tradition you keep perpetuating useless?
Back to you, Halmie. Is there any particular reason why you think ExKirby not wanting the assists to be piled against him is a scummy thing to do?
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2009, 10:58:55 am
Yeah it's the same for me. Keeps timing out on me.And for me.
Jim: If our test subjects die too fast, their opponents are probably scum. Would you like me to hold your hand or stop using pronouns? Honestly, a little effort, please.
And honestly? I'm not scum. I'm just saying, this is honestly the best use I can think of for them. It's not like they're going to help us find scum. Hostility to people who are unhelpful isn't being scum, it's being sick of their bullshit.
Unfortunately, I agree with both of you. I agree that Org is probably not going to be otherwise useful (Org, now would be a good chance to prove me wrong) and that ExKirby seems to happy to be going into the room.
However, with the lowered Cabal stats and doubled health, I have a feeling that we will not be seeing any quickly dying opponents this time around. Perhaps a tendency towards Cabal winning, but nothing so obvious.
- vote Neruz for joining the Org/ExKirby wagon right after Jim Grovvester (always thought it was Groovestar, oops), RedWarrior, and Kashyyk were arguing about just that and for not really having much content yet either
I suggest you check again; i voted Kirby into the ring right at the start of the game, it's just that the game had to be restarted and thus my vote didn't count, as the game was restarted while i was asleep, i didn't get to restate my vote until after everyone else had jumped on the wagon.
I didn't actually notice that because I didn't sign in until after the game started for the second time. That still doesn't change the fact that when you cast your new votes for Org and ExKirby it was just after the discussion about someone else doing exactly the same thing without even commenting on it. Which makes me think that you weren't actually paying attention to what is going on.
So, nothing changed between the two (other than you wanting to vote for Org instead of Pandarsenic)? This seems odd, there were a lot of posts between the two.
So, I've done what I usually do and checked the posting records of everyone this game:
Spoiler: Post records (click to show/hide)
Numbers are useful posts (from my point of view) / total posts. It's entirely possible that I've missed something and 'useful' is subjective, but I think these are pretty close.
Anyways, MagmaDeath hasn't said anything yet and IMO, Neruz, Kashyyk, Org, and ExKirby havn't really posted much of use. Please don't lurk. If you're Tower, it really helps the the Cabal a heck of a lot more than it helps us. If you're Cabal, it's just annoying, please don't do it.
Also, Mephansteras, Neruz is missing from the original post and could we get a prod on MagmaDeath?
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 22, 2009, 11:14:55 am
Still keeping my vote on ExKirby. If he wants to go into the ring, I say let him.
I was thinking about voting Org, but as this is par for the course for him, I'll let him slide this time. Instead, I would like to know why Kashyyk is acting a little funny:
Someone mentioned somewhere (I think it was Alex) that I was acting scummy for dropping my vote on Org so quickly.So why did you vote for him in the first place?
This is because I don't want to be a hypocrite. I know I lurk, so I can't vote other people for lurking. See what I'm getting at?
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 22, 2009, 11:15:51 am
Post by: ExKirby on November 22, 2009, 11:18:20 am
Post by: Org on November 22, 2009, 11:22:26 am
Thanks Jim. Yeah, halmie, WHY DO YOU THINK I AM SCUM? CANT HAVE A POWER ROLE CAN I?See how fast they die against people. If they die too fast they're probably scum.
How am I more scummy?
If who dies too fast who's scum?
As for your scumminess, Pandarsenic, it might have to do with how you don't care whether Org or ExKirby are Tower. And it might have something to do with you starting, or at the very least, encouraging a bandwagon on the two just because you didn't like them.So; wouldn't the best method of finding Cabal actually to be to let people to assist the one they believe is the townie; and try and refine our cabal hunting speed through a combination of that, as well as things like what people say, and the various other things.
No. Letting people assist how they please muddies up the results of the duel even more than the random nature of its combat does.
Say a Tower and a Cabal are duking it out. The Cabal will invent some reason to help their partner, while everybody else splits their assists evenly between the two duelists. The Cabal will win. Can you attribute the win to his boosted stats? No, of course not, because he had all those assists. His victory means nothing in terms of Towerness or Cabalness.
Let's say the same situation occurs, but everybody agrees to not assist. The Cabal wins, and he used the wrong element. Can you attribute that to his boosted stats? Not necessarily, but it's a better indicator that he might be Cabal than if everybody assisted freely.
It's therefore more informative to arrange assists as a group.
You see what I'm getting at? Last round, we arranged our assists like that, and we did a pretty decent job finding scum, even though Org still won. It's not like that was the only reason for our success in finding scum, though, but it may have helped.I didn't say it was scummy. Tests need to be done and if ExKirby wants to be part of it I'm cool with that. Anyway it may mean he doesn't have a power role and is cabal or
And I'm pretty sure I was the first one to vote for anyone. If ExKirby doesn't want to be in the ring I will retract my vote.
I'm tired and it seems like whoever I vote for is a scumtell. Org has a history of being unhelpful. If we can use him for tests maybe he can help in another way.
You were the first to vote for Org, but you were the latest person to vote for ExKirby. So, a half bandwagon.
I don't really care that you were the first to vote, or that you were the first to vote for Org. It's the reasons that are important to me. I find it suspicious, however, that you would tout that you were first to vote. Were you trying to avoid being accused of being on a bandwagon by pointing out that you were first? Was it a Cabal scheme you cooked up?
I understand your opinion of Org, and everybody else's for that matter, but has he really done anything in this game that makes you think he's Cabal? If not, I think you should seriously reexamine your reasons for voting for him.
Org's. Useful. Post.
I AM ALWAYS USEFUL.
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg879758#msg879758
Yeah, but I must say, half of you voting me dont have a good reason. Bandwagoners.
Post by: Frelock on November 22, 2009, 12:33:13 pm
1. Stating that there was a redundant post which I missed.
2. Placing an FoS on someone who was voting for you.
3. Pointing out that Kahsyyk is also a lurker.
I'll admit, 3 was useful. Not extremely significant, but useful. You're also getting mildly worked up about all this. However, I won't hold that against you; it must be frustrating to have everyone call you useless (probably worse than being lynched for being scummy).
However, since Janus pointed it out, and I'm starting to agree with Alex on the whole "lynch all lurkers" policy, I'm going to Unvote Org and Vote Magmadeath
By the way, Org, are you voting for anyone besides Magamadeath at the moment? If not, why?
Post by: ExKirby on November 22, 2009, 12:37:18 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 22, 2009, 01:14:24 pm
I think I just got caught up in the moment. Everyone was voting for him so I did as well. Crappy reason I know, but it's the only one I actually have.
Post by: Org on November 22, 2009, 01:23:49 pm
I'm sorry Org, but that "useful" post that you pointed out consisted of you:Kirby
1. Stating that there was a redundant post which I missed.
2. Placing an FoS on someone who was voting for you.
3. Pointing out that Kahsyyk is also a lurker.
I'll admit, 3 was useful. Not extremely significant, but useful. You're also getting mildly worked up about all this. However, I won't hold that against you; it must be frustrating to have everyone call you useless (probably worse than being lynched for being scummy).
However, since Janus pointed it out, and I'm starting to agree with Alex on the whole "lynch all lurkers" policy, I'm going to Unvote Org and Vote Magmadeath
By the way, Org, are you voting for anyone besides Magamadeath at the moment? If not, why?
Post by: ExKirby on November 22, 2009, 03:50:47 pm
Post by: Org on November 22, 2009, 03:59:03 pm
For the obvious reason, I presume?Indeed.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 22, 2009, 04:04:52 pm
ExKirby : Frelock, Halmie, Kashyyk, MagmaDeath, Org, RandomNumberGenerator
Halmie : Jim Groovester, PrinnyBaal
Kashyyk : RedWarrior0
MagmaDeath : ExKirby, Frelock, Org
Neruz : JanusTwoFace
Org : Halmie, MagmaDeath, Pandarsenic
Pandarsenic : JanusTwoFace, Jim Groovester, RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : RandomNumberGenerator, rickvoid
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
Check that over and make sure everything is right. I had to skim this, so I may have missed something, especially if it wasn't in red.
Vote phase ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2009, 04:12:47 pm
I do want to stay in the ring. I think it's become a habit of mine =3
Whatever, I tried. Unvote Pandarsenic. ExKirby.
Jim: If our test subjects die too fast, their opponents are probably scum. Would you like me to hold your hand or stop using pronouns? Honestly, a little effort, please.
Ambiguous pronoun usage = bad grammar. Go find an ENG101 class that will teach you that.
Are PM's allowed between townies?
Jim: First you accuse me of bandwagon then you say ok its a half bandwagon then you ask why I said I voted first. huh?
I am sticking my vote on Org unless he does some serious scumhunting to prove he is worth not testing. This is not a death warrant unless ExKirby is a power role. And why are you and Janus so protective of Org anyway?
I'm suspicious of you because when I said you were part of a bandwagon, you pointed out that you were the first to vote. You couldn't be part of a bandwagon if you were the first one on it, right? That sounds like something the Cabal might try.
As for why I'm defending Org? Because I think he's getting shafted for no particular reason other than people don't like him. This has backfired before, however, in the first Wizard's Duel, where I defended him and he turned out to be scum.
Thanks Jim. Yeah, halmie, WHY DO YOU THINK I AM SCUM? CANT HAVE A POWER ROLE CAN I?
Yeah, whatever. Start being useful before I change my mind.
Post by: Org on November 22, 2009, 04:21:38 pm
I can only be useful not in the ring.Yeah it's the same for me. Keeps timing out on me.And for me.
Jim: If our test subjects die too fast, their opponents are probably scum. Would you like me to hold your hand or stop using pronouns? Honestly, a little effort, please.
And honestly? I'm not scum. I'm just saying, this is honestly the best use I can think of for them. It's not like they're going to help us find scum. Hostility to people who are unhelpful isn't being scum, it's being sick of their bullshit.
Unfortunately, I agree with both of you. I agree that Org is probably not going to be otherwise useful (Org, now would be a good chance to prove me wrong) and that ExKirby seems to happy to be going into the room.
However, with the lowered Cabal stats and doubled health, I have a feeling that we will not be seeing any quickly dying opponents this time around. Perhaps a tendency towards Cabal winning, but nothing so obvious.- vote Neruz for joining the Org/ExKirby wagon right after Jim Grovvester (always thought it was Groovestar, oops), RedWarrior, and Kashyyk were arguing about just that and for not really having much content yet either
I suggest you check again; i voted Kirby into the ring right at the start of the game, it's just that the game had to be restarted and thus my vote didn't count, as the game was restarted while i was asleep, i didn't get to restate my vote until after everyone else had jumped on the wagon.
I didn't actually notice that because I didn't sign in until after the game started for the second time. That still doesn't change the fact that when you cast your new votes for Org and ExKirby it was just after the discussion about someone else doing exactly the same thing without even commenting on it. Which makes me think that you weren't actually paying attention to what is going on.
So, nothing changed between the two (other than you wanting to vote for Org instead of Pandarsenic)? This seems odd, there were a lot of posts between the two.
So, I've done what I usually do and checked the posting records of everyone this game:Spoiler: Post records (click to show/hide)
Numbers are useful posts (from my point of view) / total posts. It's entirely possible that I've missed something and 'useful' is subjective, but I think these are pretty close.
Anyways, MagmaDeath hasn't said anything yet and IMO, Neruz, Kashyyk, Org, and ExKirby havn't really posted much of use. Please don't lurk. If you're Tower, it really helps the the Cabal a heck of a lot more than it helps us. If you're Cabal, it's just annoying, please don't do it.
Also, Mephansteras, Neruz is missing from the original post and could we get a prod on MagmaDeath?
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 22, 2009, 05:03:16 pm
I thought I Unvoted PrinnyBaal earlier, but I unvoted Janus by mistake - someone I never voted for.
So... here's correcting that.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 22, 2009, 06:27:45 pm
Ambiguous pronoun usage = bad grammar. Go find an ENG101 class that will teach you that.
Sure, if you take Intro to Logic.
Post by: Halmie on November 22, 2009, 07:07:20 pm
I'm gonna vote later today.
Post by: Org on November 22, 2009, 07:29:34 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 22, 2009, 08:51:25 pm
Alright, looking through the thread I figured I wouldn't be much help with my thoughts, but still:
Frelock; I want to know a bit more about you; Care to comment on how you view this debacle we have? You're on one of our contesteds, and somehow I feel you haven't actually been commenting that much so I figured I'd go ahead and ask how you feel about the whole thing.
As far as my thoughts... this is just awkward. It's exactly as many of the games I've played in elsewhere usually result; Day 1, some poor bastard gets marked by just about everyone, and usually for something that's more a personality quirk than an action.
I'd personally say that Kirb doesn't deserve as much of the "You gonna die" as he seems to be getting, I know I might have done something similar in a less ruthless game; but as it is, it feels like he's getting the shaft for playing a little more for fun than to win. I dunno, maybe that's just my idea of it, but that's sort of how I interpret the situation. Maybe I'm just nuts.
Still... not sure what to say.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 22, 2009, 11:33:07 pm
Also, Mephansteras, Neruz is missing from the original post and could we get a prod on MagmaDeath?
I'll get Neruz added in. If MagmaDeath hasn't posted by EOD Monday I'll prod him, but I don't count weekend absences against people.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2009, 11:59:32 pm
I'd personally say that Kirb doesn't deserve as much of the "You gonna die" as he seems to be getting, I know I might have done something similar in a less ruthless game; but as it is, it feels like he's getting the shaft for playing a little more for fun than to win. I dunno, maybe that's just my idea of it, but that's sort of how I interpret the situation. Maybe I'm just nuts.
I cannot speak for others, but I'm getting more of a 'let you fight it out if you want to' vibe rather than a 'die now' vibe going against ExKirby. And, to be fair, that's kind of what he's been going for in the past two games and seems to be going back and forth doing this time around. Wizard's Dual is neat like that: just getting voted in the first phase is not necessarily a death warrant. You just have to convince people to back you in the ring and you're golden.
Post by: Frelock on November 23, 2009, 01:37:27 am
Frelock; I want to know a bit more about you; Care to comment on how you view this debacle we have? You're on one of our contesteds, and somehow I feel you haven't actually been commenting that much so I figured I'd go ahead and ask how you feel about the whole thing.
How I feel about the whole thing? Well, it's day one of a wizard's dual; the point isn't so much to kill scum as to find out who is scum by testing them in the ring. Of course, I do believe we're going to hit cabal; even voting randomly we've got about a 49.4% chance of putting at least 1 cabal into the ring. Also, janus is right: dual is not necessarially a death warrant, you've got about a 50% chance if it's an even fight. Therefore, if ExKirby wants into the ring, I'd be more than happy to put him there. At the very least we aren't putting in a tower person with a side action. At best, we're putting in scum. Also, if we ever hesitate to put someone in the ring who wants to go there, scum will start to claim they want in on the ring in order to keep out. Therefore, Exkirby is a necessary vote, and I approve of all who are voting him in.
As for the other stuff that's going on, it's pretty much a lurker hunt. Personally, I see nothing wrong with that. We want people to be here; nothing will lose a game faster than an inactive town. Scum don't mind lurking, they get their win by being active at night. But we get our wins during the day, and we need to get everyone in here to participate and lynch the scum.
Post by: Neruz on November 23, 2009, 01:57:04 am
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 02:44:22 am
Thanks for taking my words and rearranging them into something useful.I'd personally say that Kirb doesn't deserve as much of the "You gonna die" as he seems to be getting, I know I might have done something similar in a less ruthless game; but as it is, it feels like he's getting the shaft for playing a little more for fun than to win. I dunno, maybe that's just my idea of it, but that's sort of how I interpret the situation. Maybe I'm just nuts.
I cannot speak for others, but I'm getting more of a 'let you fight it out if you want to' vibe rather than a 'die now' vibe going against ExKirby. And, to be fair, that's kind of what he's been going for in the past two games and seems to be going back and forth doing this time around. Wizard's Dual is neat like that: just getting voted in the first phase is not necessarily a death warrant. You just have to convince people to back you in the ring and you're golden.
Post by: Halmie on November 23, 2009, 03:27:44 am
I stated my reasons for voting which wern't really good enough and I sorta agree so I rectracted it.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 23, 2009, 05:56:24 am
Yea, one vote RVS, one from Rickvoid for the fluffed post in that same stage, and another vote from RNG for my comment on the fluff post, same as last two. Basically all of which slowly disappeared as people became more focused on Org and Kirb. Frelock and RNG both removed their votes, so it seems only Ric is giving me any votes. Not that odd for a first phase.
In other commentary; Kirb, if you didn't mean to get dumped into the arena, I guess I misinterpreted your comment on not even caring about getting away from tradition or whatever. Sorry if you didn't want in period- To be honest, as I've told others; I'm surprised the pile on formed as fast as it did. Honestly, I do feel that playing more for the fun might lead to actually being willing to play that way; Running in to bet on one's luck of sorts- But it isn't exactly a long term plan at all. sooo...
... Ugh, head should not be operating at this time. Guess I'll just post this and try and figure things out tomorrow. Please forgive any clearly addled errors I leave in here.
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 12:22:34 pm
I'm pretty sure the votes I got were mostly just RVS early, before this little event occurred. I think I got somewhere between 2 or 3. I could go back and check.I do wanna go in.
Yea, one vote RVS, one from Rickvoid for the fluffed post in that same stage, and another vote from RNG for my comment on the fluff post, same as last two. Basically all of which slowly disappeared as people became more focused on Org and Kirb. Frelock and RNG both removed their votes, so it seems only Ric is giving me any votes. Not that odd for a first phase.
In other commentary; Kirb, if you didn't mean to get dumped into the arena, I guess I misinterpreted your comment on not even caring about getting away from tradition or whatever. Sorry if you didn't want in period- To be honest, as I've told others; I'm surprised the pile on formed as fast as it did. Honestly, I do feel that playing more for the fun might lead to actually being willing to play that way; Running in to bet on one's luck of sorts- But it isn't exactly a long term plan at all. sooo...
... Ugh, head should not be operating at this time. Guess I'll just post this and try and figure things out tomorrow. Please forgive any clearly addled errors I leave in here.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2009, 12:32:43 pm
Tower Roles vs Cabal Dark Wizard:
(Numbers are percent chance of victory Tower/Cabal)
Wizard: 20/79
War Mage: 38/61
Battle Mage: 37/62
Warrior Mage: 36/63
Time Mage: 36/63
Archmage: 85/14
Note that this is with Elements that don't clash (Fire and Earth). As you can see, unassisted even tower battle roles will usually lose against the Cabal, although it's better then it was before. Even the weakened Archmage is still formidable, though. The increased health means battles will last longer, so you can learn more from them, but it also means that differences in power mean more. This also means that assists can have a huge effect on the battle.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2009, 12:34:51 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2009, 12:40:17 pm
Here is the stats for a Tower Wizard vs Cabal Dark Wizard with a +2 Healing Boost:
Healing: 38/61
If you wanted to know the stats for a Battle Role with a boost, I could do those, although it's a bit more work since I'd have to run simulations for each role with an assist of each type.
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 12:59:09 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2009, 01:00:20 pm
EDIT: Cut out some unused code to make it easier to read.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 01:02:57 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2009, 01:12:42 pm
Tower Roles vs Cabal Dark Wizard:
(Numbers are percent chance of victory Tower/Cabal)
...
War Mage: 38/61
Battle Mage: 37/62
Warrior Mage: 36/63
Time Mage: 36/63
...
Healing: 38/61
Those are surprisingly balanced results. I guess having a +2 boost to one of your stats (+10 in the Warrior Mage's case) provides an equivalent advantage no matter what stat it is.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2009, 01:16:09 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 01:19:59 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 23, 2009, 02:01:58 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2009, 02:07:55 pm
ExKirby : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, MagmaDeath, Org, RandomNumberGenerator
Halmie : Jim Groovester, PrinnyBaal
Kashyyk : RedWarrior0
MagmaDeath : ExKirby, Frelock, Org
Neruz : JanusTwoFace
Org : MagmaDeath, Pandarsenic
Pandarsenic : JanusTwoFace, RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : rickvoid
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
Getting us back on track: Vote Phase ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
@Kashyyk: It's just a rounding artifact. The percentages are all just cut off before display, since I don't need accuracy in this.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 23, 2009, 02:16:29 pm
So, Frelock, Org And ExKirby. Why are you voting MagmaDeath? If you really want to you can try to persuade me to vote MagmaDeath as well, since I have a free vote.
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 02:26:51 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 23, 2009, 02:28:59 pm
Also Mod: If someone doesn't say what element they choose in a fight how do you decide the outcome? Do you presume they conceded? Or do you randomly choose an element for them?
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2009, 02:30:42 pm
Is that the only reason?
Also Mod: If someone doesn't say what element they choose in a fight how do you decide the outcome? Do you presume they conceded? Or do you randomly choose an element for them?
I will randomly pick an element for them.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 23, 2009, 02:34:09 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 23, 2009, 02:40:06 pm
The Glowing Tally BoardI've unvoted PrinnyBaal twice already(three now).
ExKirby : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, MagmaDeath, Org, RandomNumberGenerator
Halmie : Jim Groovester, PrinnyBaal
Kashyyk : RedWarrior0
MagmaDeath : ExKirby, Frelock, Org
Neruz : JanusTwoFace
Org : MagmaDeath, Pandarsenic
Pandarsenic : JanusTwoFace, RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : rickvoid
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
Getting us back on track: Vote Phase ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
@Kashyyk: It's just a rounding artifact. The percentages are all just cut off before display, since I don't need accuracy in this.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2009, 02:42:13 pm
Quote
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
This means he's voting for you. The first name is the person being voted for, the second (list) is for everyone voting for that person.
Post by: Frelock on November 23, 2009, 02:55:06 pm
However, using him allows us to be able to experiment with exkirby, and see how his stats compare to Magmadeath's. I, for one, am particularly interested in the speed stat, especially how many times someone will get to attack twice.
Post by: Frelock on November 23, 2009, 02:56:10 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2009, 02:56:55 pm
MagmaDeath: Assuming you were town, how much of an advantage would you have to have over a cabal mage to consider volunteering for the ring?Well, I don't think I would have too much of an advantage, Their stat boosts seem to give them a pretty large advantage to start with,.
I'm going to stick Org And ExKirby out there, since Org always lurks a ton, and ExKirby is just ExKirby...
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Argh.
I always screw up the forum Color code.
I wouldn't go as far to say that he needs to be lynched immediately, but he'd do well to get his sorry ass into this thread.
And I just checked. He's been on, too.
Unvote Halmie. MagmaDeath, where are you and why haven't you been posting?
Kashyyk: Are you trying to sell your vote? That doesn't look suspicious at all. Why are you trying to get people to convince you how to vote, instead of voting for people who you think are suspicious?
Post by: Org on November 23, 2009, 02:57:17 pm
It's purely on a "lynch all lurkers" policy. Magmadeath has yet to post. I do believe Meph was going to prod him today. Really, he should be modkilled or replaced. If he even posts a "please replace me" post, I'd be willing to switch over to someone else, possibly Org again.I dont think so. I have not had much to add. And Frelock(have I always said Freylock? Im sorry(is it pronounced Free-lock or Frey-lock, or something else entirely?)) I can only be helpful outside the ring! I am not a combat class
However, using him allows us to be able to experiment with exkirby, and see how his stats compare to Magmadeath's. I, for one, am particularly interested in the speed stat, especially how many times someone will get to attack twice.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 23, 2009, 03:05:15 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 23, 2009, 03:08:52 pm
Oh. I mis-read that.QuoteRandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
This means he's voting for you. The first name is the person being voted for, the second (list) is for everyone voting for that person.
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 03:19:40 pm
Post by: Frelock on November 23, 2009, 03:24:41 pm
Panda is correct on the pronunciation.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 23, 2009, 05:05:38 pm
I can see that was a stupid thing to say. I'm surprised only one person commented on it actually. And you'd think that having played this game so much I might have got better at it?
Post by: Kashyyk on November 24, 2009, 12:20:44 pm
No posts in almost 20 hours?
What happened to all the active people?
Post by: Mephansteras on November 24, 2009, 12:25:12 pm
ExKirby : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, MagmaDeath, Org, RandomNumberGenerator
Halmie : PrinnyBaal
Kashyyk : RedWarrior0
MagmaDeath : ExKirby, Frelock, Jim Groovester, Org
Neruz : JanusTwoFace
Org : MagmaDeath, Pandarsenic
Pandarsenic : JanusTwoFace, RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : rickvoid
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
Vote phase ends at ~5pm Pacific Today
MagmaDeath has been prodded. If he does not post today, I will try to get a replacement for him.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 12:28:24 pm
What?
No posts in almost 20 hours?
What happened to all the active people?
I got busy working on other projects. With no new posts, I basically forgot that Wizard Dual had already started...
So, Kashyyk.
- You're voting for the ExKirby bandwaggon. Do you really thing that this is the best use of our time? (why/why not?)
Post by: Kashyyk on November 24, 2009, 01:29:00 pm
So, Kashyyk.
- You're voting for the ExKirby bandwaggon. Do you really thing that this is the best use of our time? (why/why not?)
I'm voting for ExKirby as he previously said that he wanted to go into the ring, and he is doing what he has previously done when he was scum. And, borrowed eloquently from Neruz, You can not fight tradition. So, in answer, Yes. I believe itis a good use of our time. We can use ExKirby as an executioner if nothing else.
And one for you, as we are both here:
Why are you voting for Neruz and Panda? Why not somebody else?
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 24, 2009, 01:43:17 pm
Pandarsenic is basically active lurking as well, or at the very least he was at the beginning. He voted Org and ExKirby (two of the most likely to win (is it really winning with such a chance of losing?) today's vote) with basically no explanation and asked everyone else to come up with a reason for it. That just feels scummy to me.
I doubt that I'll get enough votes on either to actually get them in the ring today, but I think that they're two of the more scummy players right now (which really isn't saying much). Like usual, there are a few players that I cannot get a read on (like MagmaDeath and Org), so we'll see where this goes.
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 24, 2009, 03:07:51 pm
I should be much more active from now on. It seems I'm going in the ring, So that will be fun. It seems that most of the discussion while I was gone was on lynching me, I guess I deserve to be put in the ring, so I wont really argue, If I was in your position I would have probably done the same thing.
Post by: Neruz on November 24, 2009, 05:27:03 pm
Sometimes i also lurk for the hell of it.
Post by: Halmie on November 25, 2009, 02:25:03 am
Real life calls.
EDIT: Disregard that. It turns out I'm free for the time being.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2009, 11:22:52 am
Moving on to the Set-up phase. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Monday, or whenever I have all of the assists, side-actions, and the duelists attacking Elements.
Each of you now needs to decide if you will assist one of the duelists. If you choose to do so, please state the Assist type (Attack/Defense/Speed/Healing) and the Element you will assist with. Check the rules on the OP for what Elements have a bonus for each assist type. If you will not Assist, please post 'No Assist'. All Assists should be in Green.
Those of you with Side-actions, please PM them to me. Please remember that the duelists cannot perform side-actions, but may be the target of side actions. However, side actions occur after combat, so your action will be wasted if the duelist you pick loses. If you could perform a side-action, but do not wish to, please PM me that you will not be making a side-action.
ExKirby, MagmaDeath, please PM me the Element you will attack with.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 25, 2009, 12:13:38 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 25, 2009, 12:39:16 pm
A question for each of the dualists:
ExKirby: If you survive, will you insist on being thrown into the dual tomorrow?
MagmaDeath: Will you be less lurky tomorrow if you survive?
Post by: ExKirby on November 25, 2009, 01:03:01 pm
It depends, do you think that either ExKirby or MagmaDeath has been scummy enough to warrant an execution? Than we would want to assist the other.Yup.
A question for each of the dualists:
ExKirby: If you survive, will you insist on being thrown into the dual tomorrow?
MagmaDeath: Will you be less lurky tomorrow if you survive?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2009, 01:04:27 pm
It depends, do you think that either ExKirby or MagmaDeath has been scummy enough to warrant an execution? Than we would want to assist the other.Yup.
A question for each of the dualists:
ExKirby: If you survive, will you insist on being thrown into the dual tomorrow?
MagmaDeath: Will you be less lurky tomorrow if you survive?
What good are you then?
Post by: ExKirby on November 25, 2009, 01:50:03 pm
It means that one less of you will need to risk your lives in proving scum.It depends, do you think that either ExKirby or MagmaDeath has been scummy enough to warrant an execution? Than we would want to assist the other.Yup.
A question for each of the dualists:
ExKirby: If you survive, will you insist on being thrown into the dual tomorrow?
MagmaDeath: Will you be less lurky tomorrow if you survive?
What good are you then?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2009, 01:57:26 pm
It means that one less of you will need to risk your lives in proving scum.
How noble and heroic of you.
But we could just throw two suspected scum into the ring and let them prove who's scum. Keeping you in the ring is just taking up a slot that could be used for suspected scum. Why do we need you? Because of your adorable charm?
Post by: ExKirby on November 25, 2009, 01:59:16 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 25, 2009, 03:02:28 pm
It depends, do you think that either ExKirby or MagmaDeath has been scummy enough to warrant an execution? Than we would want to assist the other.Yes, I will be less lurky.
A question for each of the dualists:
ExKirby: If you survive, will you insist on being thrown into the dual tomorrow?
MagmaDeath: Will you be less lurky tomorrow if you survive?
Post by: Org on November 25, 2009, 03:59:33 pm
I will be reading back what I missed.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2009, 05:36:09 pm
Ok, but you said it, not me.
Ugh, you're a serious pain.
No assist right now. I don't particularly like either of these duelists and am not nearly motivated enough to bother trying to make sure either of them makes it out alive. I think both of them are about equal in terms of scumminess/usefulness/helpfulness, so I say let fate decide.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2009, 06:18:24 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 25, 2009, 06:29:10 pm
That said, it's not like Kirb is likely to get a pile of assists, given the attitude I expect for a first duel. ((I still think Kirb is Tower, but that's me. I can't provide anything other than my instincts here.))
I guess I'll woooooaaaaah.
Alright, I guess I'll wait a moment. I would like to hear a bit more if I'm not going to be able to change my assist.
Particularly, I'd like Magma to comment on what's going on so far; what he perceives of his opponent if anything, and whether there's a specific reason he feels we should keep him alive. More of the first two, last one is more an open "Say what you want to help your case." obviously.
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 25, 2009, 09:06:02 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 25, 2009, 09:23:51 pm
Post by: Org on November 25, 2009, 09:35:16 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 25, 2009, 09:54:34 pm
Meh. Still, with your post, you did give up. I guess I may as well go ahead and No Assist.
I doubt either side has sufficient evidence, position, or just about anything here.
Post by: Neruz on November 25, 2009, 10:32:31 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2009, 10:40:09 pm
Post by: Neruz on November 25, 2009, 10:51:40 pm
Post by: Halmie on November 26, 2009, 04:31:25 am
Anyway No Assist. I won't be on for awhile.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 26, 2009, 01:02:38 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 26, 2009, 01:31:19 pm
The problem is that the deviations are still pretty high. For example:
Mage vs Cabal Mage: 6.51 +- 2.74
Battle Mage vs Cabal Mage: 8.54 +- 3.51
The problem is, that's almost exactly equal to two Tower Mages:
Mage vs Mage: 6.80 +- 2.83
Basically, my point is that counting how long a duel lasts can really only help tell us if we know the Roles of the Mage's involved (what I've been saying and I think Pandarsenic (IIRC) was saying it as well). So I definitely wouldn't count on it this time around. In previous rounds (before the bonuses were lowered), maybe. But not anymore.
Also, people who haven't assisted yet, but still could:
* JanusTwoFace
* rickvoid
* RandomNumberGenerator
* Frelock
* Pandarsenic
* PrinnyBaal
So now I'm curious. Do we still believe that no assist is our best option?
Post by: ExKirby on November 26, 2009, 03:31:25 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2009, 06:14:53 pm
JTF, if you don't like everybody no assisting, what's your suggestion on how to proceed? We've got all of Thanksgiving weekend to hash something out, so if you've got an idea, let's hear it.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 26, 2009, 06:54:59 pm
I personally think that going with the person I was more favorable towards (Kirb) would be preferable for me, it would be nice to switch to assisting him, since that IS what I wanted to do.
On the flip side; I would mention regardless; if there a difference at all between both side's stats, we can determine it from individual hits/misses if we get those at the least, right? I mean, obviously not the deviation, but enough exchanges might be able to give us some information...
Eh. Well, still, since I don't have much I've really said... I guess I'll just comment that much.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2009, 07:11:53 pm
Usually, though, he does a pretty good job of conveying what happens, but certainly not the specifics like how much a wizard missed by.
Post by: Frelock on November 27, 2009, 03:10:29 am
Post by: ExKirby on November 27, 2009, 11:50:16 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 27, 2009, 02:09:49 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 27, 2009, 03:08:32 pm
In which case, I will (attempt to) assist myself with Earth healing.
Only an Alchemist can assist themselves, and even then only with a potion.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 28, 2009, 09:04:48 am
Post by: Org on November 28, 2009, 10:32:16 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 28, 2009, 10:48:42 am
Post by: ExKirby on November 28, 2009, 12:24:04 pm
Post by: Org on November 28, 2009, 01:31:00 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 28, 2009, 01:56:49 pm
More talking, less lurking guys.
This is mildly amusing coming from you... :P
Anyways, for those of us in the States, it's Thanksgiving. Just as we tend to eat a lot of turkey, that tends to eat a lot of time. I'll be back to post tomorrow after everything winds down. Mephansteras already built in a delay for this, this phase can technically last until 5pm Pacific Monday.
Post by: ExKirby on November 28, 2009, 04:00:17 pm
Ah, yeah. That would be perfectly explanitory. Combine that with my buisier-than-usual day and you get this.More talking, less lurking guys.
This is mildly amusing coming from you... :P
Anyways, for those of us in the States, it's Thanksgiving. Just as we tend to eat a lot of turkey, that tends to eat a lot of time. I'll be back to post tomorrow after everything winds down. Mephansteras already built in a delay for this, this phase can technically last until 5pm Pacific Monday.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 28, 2009, 06:41:59 pm
I guess we could always think about what side actions might be occurring...
Actually, I wonder if there's a grey mage- they're really quite helpful from my understanding, at least, in a game where lynching a Cabal isn't guaranteed to succeed. Although, if we do find a Cabal, there'll obviously be the pile on.
On the other end of the spectrum, Cabal Archmages definitely sound ridiculous. 13 stats is still a huge advantage I would think...
Hmmm... I suppose it's only the roles that were in the last game given the few changes made? Then there's not much new. I wonder if we have a Celestial mage and any Darks. That would be nice...
... Yea, honestly, I hate discussing my suspicions early. That combined with the lack of even minor chat in the thread means I've got no where to go but general speeches like this. ~Le-Sigh.
Post by: ExKirby on November 29, 2009, 06:11:36 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 29, 2009, 09:58:58 am
Also, Janus: I'm trying to turn over a new leaf by posting (occasional) heavy content.
Post by: ExKirby on November 29, 2009, 10:04:50 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 29, 2009, 10:12:16 am
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 29, 2009, 11:00:52 am
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 29, 2009, 11:03:33 am
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2009, 01:01:33 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2009, 01:04:44 pm
I'll post more when I'm back to a computer this evening.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2009, 01:05:33 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 29, 2009, 01:14:28 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 29, 2009, 01:38:35 pm
What is the current assist(vote?) count?
Post by: Kashyyk on November 29, 2009, 01:41:41 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on November 29, 2009, 02:06:54 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2009, 07:12:08 pm
Can no-assisters change their mind?
Yes, a no-assist can change. Once an assist is cast, however, it cannot be changed.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2009, 07:29:38 pm
Long story short, I really don't think that either ExKirby or MagmaDeath has been overmuch scummier than the other.
ExKirby has the somewhat scummy (IMO) habit of forcing people to vote him in the ring (granted, we have to let him, but we do).
MagmaDeath has been lurking and, while I'm not strictly against lynching lurkers, he did say he'd be better tomorrow so we can let fate decide if he gets that chance.
Therefore, no assist. If anything comes up before either the others show up or before the end of the phase that would force me to reevaluate my thinking, I will do so, but don't count on it.
Post by: Frelock on November 29, 2009, 09:21:49 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 30, 2009, 02:53:44 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 30, 2009, 03:06:25 am
Let me guess, you're joking just like Pandarsenic was in Round 2.
Round 1.
But yeah.
I just realized we DIDN'T quicklynch me while I was away in this, so I'll be no-assisting to see how it turns out.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 30, 2009, 03:26:12 am
So I think straight-up scumhunting is a better option.
Bring up the WIFOM-potential here (MAYBE HE KNOWS SOMEONE'S GONNA GET PIZZOWNED) if you want but if you read the numbers you know it's true.
Post by: ExKirby on November 30, 2009, 11:47:30 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2009, 01:01:38 pm
Let me guess, you're joking just like Pandarsenic was in Round 2.
Round 1.
Nope. Round 2 (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42941.msg816276#msg816276). I know my Wizard Duels.
Why so worried about being killed, Pandarsenic?
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2009, 02:04:46 pm
Something just seems off seeing that post after being quiet for a bit.
Post by: ExKirby on November 30, 2009, 03:10:06 pm
Just a quick assumption.
Org, I haven't heard from you much.
Post by: Org on November 30, 2009, 04:27:27 pm
So next round is Panda Vs Someone who is probably me?Errr....
Just a quick assumption.
Org, I haven't heard from you much.
Whats up, Scumbucket?
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 30, 2009, 04:30:01 pm
It'll be interesting to see who wins.
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2009, 04:45:35 pm
So next round is Panda Vs Someone who is probably me?
1) Why Pandarsenic? Other than being quieter than usual, he's not being *too* scummy. I'm just curious about his wording for now.
2) Why you? Do you know something the rest of us don't that would imply that you will win the duel?
Post by: rickvoid on November 30, 2009, 04:57:34 pm
I'll go along with the no-assist this time, seems to make sense.
I solemnly swear that I will be far more active in the next round than I was in the last. Apologies all around. :(
Things of immediate notice: Exkirby's attempt to assist himself is kind of scummy, since the rest of us aren't assisting precisely so we can get some raw data of this. Trying to screw up the numbers? That plus his automatic assumption of victory are going in the scum column for next round. For whatever it's worth, I'm getting a pretty strong town read from magma's posts, so if Kirb is scum that's really too bad.
I'll try to get in a nice big "What I Missed" post at the start of the next round. Things got pretty hectic here last week, but should calm down soon. My wife and her 8th-month+ FLAMING PREGNANCY aren't helping either. ;D
Post by: Neruz on November 30, 2009, 05:04:04 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 30, 2009, 05:41:38 pm
So, yeah. The "if I get killed" just means "I was going to procrastinate on this but decided not to, in case I explode."
Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2009, 08:38:19 pm
"The First Duel of the Tournament is about to begin!" intones the Marshal of the Games.
ExKirby walks out of the Arena on the North side. He lifts his hand, and a black rose floats in the air above his palm. Around him crimson runes flare across the floor and huge blocks of Earth rise up around him.
From the South side of the Arena comes MagmaDeath, staff in hand. He raises the staff above his head and Lime Green runes begin to swirl around it. After a bit glowing green shards of ice begin to form in the air around him.
"If the Duelists are prepared...let the games begin!" A flare of multi-colored light explodes across the arena, and the two mages hurtle their magic at one another.
MagmaDeath's Ice spears slam against ExKirby's shields, shredding the crimson runes in an explosion of green and red sparks. ExKirby clutches his side as a jagged blade of ice slashes across his ribs. Distracted by pain, his hail of rocks fly wide and crash into the walls of the arena.
Another flurry of razor sharp ice assails him, but the crimson mage is ready this time. Holding aloft the rose, he sends the projectiles spinning away from him. He then stomps a foot on the ground, sending a great wave of rock and dirt rushing towards the green wizard. Quick thinking on MagmaDeath's part saves him, as he quickly rises up out of the way on a pillar of ice.
Leaping down, the green wizard sends a hail of freezing water to pummel ExKirby. The crimson mage's shields seem to hold, but as he squints against the spray of ice and water the tower of ice that MagmaDeath was standing on spins through the arena and bowls the poor crimson mage over.
After a few moments it is obvious that he will not rise, and the marshal calls the duel to an end.
"A flawless victory for MagmaDeath!"
As you stare in wonder down at the arena, you become aware of shouts behind you. Turning, you see Neruz twitching on the ground and frothing at the mouth! The security team quickly summons a healer to take him off to the Healing Ward.
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
ExKirby, Alchemist of Earth has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Neruz, Warrior Mage of Fire has suffered a seizure and is removed from the Tournament!
And that's round 1!
Vote Phase for the next duel will go until ~5pm Pacific Wednesday
Post by: PrinnyBaal on November 30, 2009, 08:57:54 pm
Eh, I don't know. Unfortunately, we're left the harder to read of the 2. Oh boy. Magma, make sure you're posting, or I sure as hell am going to throw you right back in there.
Beyond that, I don't suppose anyone has any ideas where to go from here?
Obviously this was a "great" victory for Magma, but it appears to be a 3 turn victory. Fast, but not spectacular in terms of just wiping his opponent. It's notable he didn't get hit once, right? Only two shots his way though so...
As for Neruz, guess it's time to read through all his commentary again and any linked to him and see if there's anything actually notable. Doubt it, first hits almost always random what has been my experience.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 30, 2009, 09:23:47 pm
Possibilities and/or contributing factors:
1. Magma was Cabal
2. Bad choice of attacking element
3. "Assists self with earth" presented some WIFOM, but Magma might not have thought of that and assumed Ex was Earth
4. Magma had healing, defense, or some other kind of role bonus
5. Magma had Subtle mage boosting him, possibly Alchemist (does the Alchemist potion stay secret?)
All in all, I'd like to see what Magma's reaction to this is. Why do you think you won so quickly?
Post by: Neruz on November 30, 2009, 09:24:45 pm
Post by: Halmie on November 30, 2009, 09:26:35 pm
I say we test MagmaDeath against the most scummy looking person at the end of the vote phase. If anyone disagrees please state why.
The alchemists potion is public so it couldn't of been that.
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 30, 2009, 09:40:09 pm
A flawless, quick victory?Well, I guess I'm pretty lucky.
Possibilities and/or contributing factors:
1. Magma was Cabal
2. Bad choice of attacking element
3. "Assists self with earth" presented some WIFOM, but Magma might not have thought of that and assumed Ex was Earth
4. Magma had healing, defense, or some other kind of role bonus
5. Magma had Subtle mage boosting him, possibly Alchemist (does the Alchemist potion stay secret?)
All in all, I'd like to see what Magma's reaction to this is. Why do you think you won so quickly?
I do have a role bonus, So that probably helped some.
Unfortunately, I did choose the wrong attack element, water, from that wine.
I dont think I was assisted, Alchamists are just normal wizards statwise, without thier potions.
It really sucks that ExKirby threw away a role like that, we just lost some very powerful assists.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 30, 2009, 09:50:14 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 30, 2009, 09:53:31 pm
If so, I don't think he did.
If he did, I probably wouden't have won, though I could have, depending on how much of a "Huge boost" a potion gives.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 30, 2009, 09:56:11 pm
Post by: Halmie on November 30, 2009, 10:54:00 pm
EDIT: It is done publicly.
Post by: Frelock on December 01, 2009, 12:54:07 am
Now, even if Magma was cabal, he still would have needed to get extraordinarily lucky in order to finish off Exkirby so quickly. However, I'm fairly certain he had something going for him; 5/6 rolls were in his favor, and 3/5 rolls were more than 10 apart. Therefore, for the time being, I think that Magmadeath should be re-tested.
Now, as to the other dualist, Org might want a chance in the ring.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2009, 02:44:09 am
It is. I asked over a pm awhile ago and he said it is given publicly.
EDIT: It is done publicly.
Correct, an alchemist's potion is given publicly.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 01, 2009, 03:53:31 am
Even to himself?It is. I asked over a pm awhile ago and he said it is given publicly.
EDIT: It is done publicly.
Correct, an alchemist's potion is given publicly.
Post by: rickvoid on December 01, 2009, 09:17:09 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2009, 11:16:11 am
Even to himself?It is. I asked over a pm awhile ago and he said it is given publicly.
EDIT: It is done publicly.
Correct, an alchemist's potion is given publicly.
Yes, using a potion is always a public action.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 01, 2009, 02:11:46 pm
Yee gads, Band Wagon or what?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2009, 02:34:46 pm
MagmaDeath : Frelock, Halmie, Kashyyk, RedWarrior0
Org : Frelock
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 01, 2009, 03:37:28 pm
Well, I think that either Org or Pandarsenic should jump in the ring with me.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2009, 04:17:28 pm
Well, I think that either Org or Pandarsenic should jump in the ring with me.
Any particular reason why those two?
MagmaDeath, if you contributed more, I'd be willing to consider unvoting you. Your win in the ring isn't necessarily damning, but unless you start posting more for me to get a read on you, I'm going to have to be safe and keep the vote on you. A decent start would be to explain your logic behind your votes on Org and Pandarsenic.
Well, that went fast. As soon as I get to a computer, magma's getting a vote. I need to reread Neruz's posts, to see who he was after. Maybe he was on to something.
While everybody is voting for MagmaDeath, to be sure, the tone of your post strikes me that your vote is automatic, and that bugs me. Care to explain?
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 04:27:24 pm
I'm really disappointed that didn't last longer. Now, strictly in terms of speed, Magmadeath really outclassed Exkirby. He rolled at least 10 higher on the first shot. He also only got 2 attacks through, meaning those attacks must have done 20 or more damage combined. Also, ExKirby's only attack did not hit Magma, so his choice of attacking element was irrelevant.No. Why>
Now, even if Magma was cabal, he still would have needed to get extraordinarily lucky in order to finish off Exkirby so quickly. However, I'm fairly certain he had something going for him; 5/6 rolls were in his favor, and 3/5 rolls were more than 10 apart. Therefore, for the time being, I think that Magmadeath should be re-tested.
Now, as to the other dualist, Org might want a chance in the ring.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2009, 05:19:24 pm
A flawless, quick victory?
Possibilities and/or contributing factors:
1. Magma was Cabal
2. Bad choice of attacking element
3. "Assists self with earth" presented some WIFOM, but Magma might not have thought of that and assumed Ex was Earth
4. Magma had healing, defense, or some other kind of role bonus
5. Magma had Subtle mage boosting him, possibly Alchemist (does the Alchemist potion stay secret?)
All in all, I'd like to see what Magma's reaction to this is. Why do you think you won so quickly?
1) Always a possibility...
2) What do you mean? A good choice would make things go faster, but what would a bad choice mean?
3) See above
4) I don't think defense would help and I don't think there is a role with a healing bonus. Speed though, that seems likely. A Time Mage perhaps?
5) If so, I'm pretty sure that said Subtle Mage is Cabal.
Mod: Would we know if a Subtle Mage had assisted?
...
Unfortunately, I did choose the wrong attack element, water, from that wine.
...
Saying assist self with earth and you choose water? This seems unusual, because if you wanted to have an advantage over earth, you would choose air.
Remember that with the increased health a 3 shot victory is still comparatively fast.
I say we test MagmaDeath against the most scummy looking person at the end of the vote phase. If anyone disagrees please state why.
The alchemists potion is public so it couldn't of been that.
A 3 short victory is fast, but not unusually fast. Especially if he's a Time and/or Cabal Mage. A Time Mage would get an extra attack if he only wins the initiative by 5 (instead of 10) and a Cabal Mage would increase that even further.
Yeah, It seems I'm going in again.
Well, I think that either Org or Pandarsenic should jump in the ring with me.
Do you want to go in the ring again? Because right now, in my opinion you're the scummist looking person in the game. Partially because you won the first round so readily and partially because you don't seem to be even trying to make yourself look less scummy.
On the other hand, why Org and/or Pandarsenic?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2009, 05:25:13 pm
Mod: Would we know if a Subtle Mage had assisted?
No, a subtle mage is undetectable.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 01, 2009, 05:48:36 pm
1) Always a possibility...I (possibly) sort of misunderstood the mechanism, I guess. I'm saying with defense role possibility that even though the flavor says he misses, I think it means Ex got a bad attack.
2) What do you mean? A good choice would make things go faster, but what would a bad choice mean?
3) See above
4) I don't think defense would help and I don't think there is a role with a healing bonus. Speed though, that seems likely. A Time Mage perhaps?
5) If so, I'm pretty sure that said Subtle Mage is Cabal.
First, though, I completely forgot about the flavor being important and showing who used what. For that, ignore #3. On 2, bad choice for Exirby. Should've cleared that. I meant the possibility that Magma is Earth.
Okay, looking over it, I think that Magma is an Archmage. I'm unsure as to his Cabal status, though.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 01, 2009, 06:06:05 pm
First, Vote RandomNumberG
The second is to Vote Frelock if only because he's sort of hovering around the edge of the field where I usually notice people. (In terms of mannerisms, posting rate, and category of interests) I'm not sure exactly what that means but... One way or another that usually gets me suspicious in general.
Again, those are very vague reasons and as such, I doubt I'll get much off of this... but I figured I may as well openly post these, even though it's unlikely I've got much of anything.
Post by: Frelock on December 01, 2009, 06:20:33 pm
No. Why>Because you keep making posts like this one. Who do you think is cabal?
First, though, I completely forgot about the flavor being important and showing who used what. For that, ignore #3. On 2, bad choice for Exirby. Should've cleared that. I meant the possibility that Magma is Earth.
Okay, looking over it, I think that Magma is an Archmage. I'm unsure as to his Cabal status, though.
When you choose the same element as the person you're attacking, you halve all damage you deal to said person. ExKirby got 1 attack in, which did not get past Magma's defenses, so he dealt no damage. Thus, his choice of element was irrelevant in terms of the dual.
What makes you think he's an archmage specifically?
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 06:27:48 pm
scratches chin...No. Why>Because you keep making posts like this one. Who do you think is cabal?First, though, I completely forgot about the flavor being important and showing who used what. For that, ignore #3. On 2, bad choice for Exirby. Should've cleared that. I meant the possibility that Magma is Earth.
Okay, looking over it, I think that Magma is an Archmage. I'm unsure as to his Cabal status, though.
When you choose the same element as the person you're attacking, you halve all damage you deal to said person. ExKirby got 1 attack in, which did not get past Magma's defenses, so he dealt no damage. Thus, his choice of element was irrelevant in terms of the dual.
What makes you think he's an archmage specifically?
hmmmm...
not to sure. Magma might be a combat role, but cabal is also likely.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 01, 2009, 06:41:16 pm
\What makes you think he's an archmage specifically?Well, he attacked quickly.
Second, he seemed to do a lot of damage, as three turns (what it looked like and what the general consensus appears to be) is quite a fast win, especially with the increased health.
This seems to imply 2 boosted stats, so he might be time/war mage who got subtlely boosted in the other attribute.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 01, 2009, 06:48:42 pm
To be honest, at the moment I've got mostly just my instincts. Something I've always found doesn't work out that well, but... I guess I could try and vote based on them. I'll mention again; these are instincts. I can give general categories as to why I feel that way, but I'm terrible at communicating these sorts of things, so...
First, Vote RandomNumberGodenerator. Again, I can't put a specific finger on it, but I suppose the biggest thing is that I haven't had much contact with him directly despite me actually trying in this case.
So you're voting me for no reason at all? Good to know. I guess I can't exactly argue my side then.
Anyway, I'll put a vote out for MagmaDeath, because I am hoping for another no-assist round with him. If he wins again, then it is very likely he is either an archmage or cabal(or both).
My second vote will be for Org, not because of whatever lurker tendencies he may have, but because he was the other person Neruz voted for. Not that that means much, a lot of people voted for Neruz, but at this point in the game there isn't much to go by.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 01, 2009, 06:51:20 pm
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 06:52:28 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2009, 07:23:02 pm
So you're voting me for no reason at all? Good to know. I guess I can't exactly argue my side then.
I'm going to have to echo this sentiment, PrinnyBaal. If you find them suspicious, ask them questions. If you don't have any questions about their actions, ask them hypothetical ones. Try to get them talking instead of just suggesting that they might be suspicious from your "instincts".
Org is pissing me off.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 01, 2009, 07:23:28 pm
MagmaDeath is scum supported by scum subtle mage
MagmaDeath is town supported by scum subtle mage to mess with us (Wine)
MagmaDeath is scum who has super scum powers
Either way, MagmaDeath is going in. Also, Org is getting my assist. Magma's probably scum.
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 07:29:35 pm
You are pissing me off.So you're voting me for no reason at all? Good to know. I guess I can't exactly argue my side then.
I'm going to have to echo this sentiment, PrinnyBaal. If you find them suspicious, ask them questions. If you don't have any questions about their actions, ask them hypothetical ones. Try to get them talking instead of just suggesting that they might be suspicious from your "instincts".
Org is pissing me off.
Possibility:>:(
MagmaDeath is scum supported by scum subtle mage
MagmaDeath is town supported by scum subtle mage to mess with us (Wine)
MagmaDeath is scum who has super scum powers
Either way, MagmaDeath is going in. Also, Org is getting my assist. Magma's probably scum.
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BACKSTABBING HOOLIGAN
Post by: Halmie on December 01, 2009, 07:32:31 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2009, 07:33:51 pm
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BACKSTABBING HOOLIGAN
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 07:34:16 pm
SPAHS SAPPIN MAH SENTREE
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 07:34:56 pm
Org, what is this?I am the Justicar! I used my powa on Pandar, and pmed him. Now he hates me. :IYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BACKSTABBING HOOLIGAN
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2009, 07:37:03 pm
And so far as I can tell, he was trying to get you in the ring (which is unusual as you cannot do your thing in the ring) but he was trying to assist you.
Most unusual behavior on both parts.
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 07:38:10 pm
Post by: Halmie on December 01, 2009, 07:39:00 pm
Please explain.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2009, 07:41:09 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2009, 07:41:40 pm
Frelock : PrinnyBaal
MagmaDeath : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Pandarsenic, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
Org : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, MagmaDeath, Pandarsenic, RandomNumberGenerator
Pandarsenic : MagmaDeath
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
Vote phase ends ~5pm Pacific Wednesday
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2009, 07:59:38 pm
Org is claiming Justicar. Yet Pandarsenic is voting him into the ring, and plans on assisting him. There is definitely something fishy going on here.
Pandarsenic, can you confirm that Org PMed you? And what's your reasons for voting Org into the ring, given the knowledge of his claim?
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 09:06:44 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 01, 2009, 11:16:18 pm
Actually, he can get NKed even in the ring. Being in the ring prevents you from doing a side action, not being targeted by one.
WOW I HAD THIS BACKWARD
Unvote Org, I'm retarded. What Org said is true. Of course, the WIFOM potential of this is enormous, as with any copclaim.
I'm pretty sure MagmaDeath is scum though.
Post by: Frelock on December 02, 2009, 12:02:58 am
Of course, Panda's being town says nothing about Org. However, I'm not sure if Org is good enough to pull a fake-claim like that off. He could have good coaching, of course, and might be trying to buddy up to town, but why would the scum choose Org of all people for a fake-claim like that? I'm inclined to believe him. Unvote Org
Also, Meph, can there be a cabal Justicar? Obviously, one would be pointless unless there was an archivist around.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 02, 2009, 12:53:06 am
*Cries*
Please for the love of god, let there be a Guardian. Also, since there's absolutely no way for scum to fake results on a test, it's pretty clear that Panda is clear all the same as long as Org is what he claims he is. Given my impression of him... I could definitely see him being a Tower though, I can't really see him actually doing this as much ((Or as well)) as a Cabal.
As for the things I was supposed to be talking about:
So you're voting me for no reason at all? Good to know. I guess I can't exactly argue my side then.
Well, I'm also giving you a little vote-based love while I'm at it. ;D Still, I suppose I may as well comment on a couple things.
Spoiler: "For you, RNG" (click to show/hide)
There you go. Doubtless, I look like a complete idiot, given I'm not going to go back and proofread or anything, and there'll probably be mistakes, but anyway: Have a bit of fun Dood.
Oh, and Frelock... I'm not really sure, I guess I should unvote you, since by far you're not in the same category of feelings as I am about RNG-chan.
Unvote Frelock.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 02, 2009, 03:33:10 am
Doesn't fit logically? The way I thought of it was this:-and-We can't argue with tradition, so I'm going to, if I'm allowed, Double-Vote myself. If not, one on me and one on Org.
While you've done this before, I'm wondering why you're so eager to get into the ring. Are you a battleage perhaps? Or do you have a bonus to your abilities, fueled by black magic? Either way, I think that ExKirby should be one of the first combatants, so we know where he's standing...I'm probably gonna go into the ring anyway, so Unvote me.So you still want to go into the ring?
...
I'm keeping my vote on you.
This is probably what started the whole suspicion. After I misinterpreted Kirb's reasons for self-voting, I ended up going back a bit trying to figure out where I got that interpretation. I'd say that this is generally the spot. The main thing I would point out in the second one is really the difference between your line, and his. It really does seem you were putting words in his mouth, as he put it. Your response... doesn't logically fit with what he had said.
ExKirby wanted to fight in the ring, for no real reason. For this, I suspected he was very confident in his fighting ability, and this had a high probability of being a Cabal warrior-type mage. I I now see that I was mistaken, since he was just a tower alchemist. Since I suspected him as a fighting mage, I wanted him in the ring, and I was going to assist his opponent.
For the second post, he basically said "I want to be in the ring, but I don't want everyone assisting against me. So I'll remove my fote to stop the dogpile, because I still have more than enough votes to get into the ring." I didn't like the way he put this, which made me think that he was even more likely to be Cabal or a fighter(It seemed to me like he thought he could win in an even match). I didn't like this, so I was planning on voting him in and assisting his opponent(this was before we all decided o a no-assist.)
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This is the first disconcerting thing. The next section is mostly you discussing Kirb, along with everyone else; and then you vanish. As far as I can tell, this just kind of happened, and I'm not sure why ((Although I'll admit, I think a couple people vanished in that time region, seeing as how that's the same time region Magma vanished in.))
What, I'm not allowed to take Thanksgiving off? I didn't check anything during that break, not even my RTDs.
The next thing that comes up however is how you post. In all your posts you're... very straight. One sentence posts abound, which while perhaps that's natural for you, I feel is rather bad in it's own way. Beyond that, you also seem to have trouble understanding people. I hate going into this category but it seems some of the cases where it happens. Above noted, and you do ask for clarification, again, this is something I usually see people doing by PM, and doing it publically has always seemed a little scummy to me. The problem on that one is obvious, this game is more complicated than most, so... Don't mind that. It's a minor thing.
Lastly, we come to this phase. In all honesty, I feel you aren't contributing at this point. Or prior. I feel like you're riding the wave of general consent, and just avoiding things. So, if you care to comment on that, what do you think?[/spoiler]
There you go. Doubtless, I look like a complete idiot, given I'm not going to go back and proofread or anything, and there'll probably be mistakes, but anyway: Have a bit of fun Dood.
Oh, and Frelock... I'm not really sure, I guess I should unvote you, since by far you're not in the same category of feelings as I am about RNG-chan.
Unvote Frelock.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2009, 11:46:49 am
Also, Meph, can there be a cabal Justicar? Obviously, one would be pointless unless there was an archivist around.
No, right now Justicar is a Tower only role.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 02, 2009, 01:12:16 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2009, 01:17:46 pm
MagmaDeath : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Pandarsenic, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
Org : Halmie, Jim Groovester, MagmaDeath, RandomNumberGenerator
Pandarsenic : MagmaDeath
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
Reminder, vote phase ends ~5pm Pacific Today.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 02, 2009, 01:23:39 pm
I can't believe I'm saying this, but how would everyone feel about a day extension to find someone else to go into the ring? Or to decide that Org was lying (if that's the case) and send him in anyways.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2009, 01:27:12 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 02, 2009, 01:34:39 pm
I'll vote Halmie and Neruz then. They've both been quiet, I think they could use a stint in the ring. If either of you have any particular reason that I shouldn't vote for you or someone that you think would be a better choice, you'd better come in and let us know why/who.
MagmaDeath: Do you feel that Pandarsenic would be a better choice in the ring? (Note that I'm going to weigh your rather one-sided win against whatever you say).
PrinnyBaal: Are you still suspicious enough of RandomNumberGenerator to want him in the ring? You unvoted Frelock, but haven't been on since RNG's post.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 02, 2009, 01:42:38 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2009, 02:14:56 pm
Prinny Baal, you post a lot, but you don't really say anything. I get the feeling that you're just trying to blather on uselessly to give your posts the appearance of content without necessarily actually contributing all that much.
You also voted for RNG for his votes on ExKirby, despite that we've basically got a policy lynch on all self-voters and people who want to be in the ring.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 03:39:17 pm
If Org is telling the truth, Then neither of them are scum.
We should stick some of the lurkers in the ring, such as Rickvoid and Redwarrior0.
At least it'll get them to post a bit more.
Post by: Org on December 02, 2009, 04:41:26 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2009, 05:10:28 pm
Halmie : JanusTwoFace, Org
MagmaDeath : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Pandarsenic, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
Org : Halmie, RandomNumberGenerator
PrinnyBaal : Jim Groovester
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
RedWarrior0 : MagmaDeath
rickvoid: MagmaDeath, Org
You have ~3 more hours to get your votes in.
In the event of a tie, the duelist will be chosen randomly.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 02, 2009, 05:28:59 pm
PrinnyBaal: Are you still suspicious enough of RandomNumberGenerator to want him in the ring? You unvoted Frelock, but haven't been on since RNG's post.
Yes, although given that I have essentially belief in my ability to get him in there... Well, at the very least I'm willing to try and continue going after him-
Prinny Baal, you post a lot, but you don't really say anything. I get the feeling that you're just trying to blather on uselessly to give your posts the appearance of content without necessarily actually contributing all that much.
You also voted for RNG for his votes on ExKirby, despite that we've basically got a policy lynch on all self-voters and people who want to be in the ring.
Dood, it's true I tend to have a wandering mind-set, but that doesn't mean my posts have no content. The fact that I came back and actually posted something for my post against RNG should be enough to point that out. Maybe I'm a little scattered as to my ability to organize posts, but I definitely am doing stuff.
The vote wasn't merely that he voted for Kirb, but how he approached the whole thing. A sort of personality setting that makes me believe he's more interested in just getting it over with, and yes; That he doesn't care what alignment Kirb was- He cared that Kirb was self-voting. Something that honestly? Isn't as bad as you all make it sound, at least, not immediately.
Also, Kirb got on with 3 or so votes on him already. Day 1, that's a pretty big thing to come on to. I dunno what the hell he might have thought, but personally, he looked more resigned than active to get into the ring. Also, policy lynch = bad. Do I honestly need to explain why?
Regardless, what might be nice is getting us out of having to deal with Org being in the ring, so... Vote Halmie. Of the two that can be used to reduce votes on Org, he's more suspicious to me.
Now, as for
Doesn't fit logically? The way I thought of it was this:Honestly, the problem isn't that you wanted him in the ring, it's how you approached it. You didn't pay attention to his position or anything, you just decided right of, with him already figuring he was going in, it wasn't going to matter, and just sat and watched.
ExKirby wanted to fight in the ring, for no real reason. For this, I suspected he was very confident in his fighting ability, and this had a high probability of being a Cabal warrior-type mage. I I now see that I was mistaken, since he was just a tower alchemist. Since I suspected him as a fighting mage, I wanted him in the ring, and I was going to assist his opponent.
For the second post, he basically said "I want to be in the ring, but I don't want everyone assisting against me. So I'll remove my fote to stop the dogpile, because I still have more than enough votes to get into the ring." I didn't like the way he put this, which made me think that he was even more likely to be Cabal or a fighter(It seemed to me like he thought he could win in an even match). I didn't like this, so I was planning on voting him in and assisting his opponent(this was before we all decided o a no-assist.)
What, I'm not allowed to take Thanksgiving off? I didn't check anything during that break, not even my RTDs.
Also, huh. That explains why there was stuff going on... Alright, forgive me, I'm looking stupid again with the Thanksgiving thing. ((Honestly, I don't notice these things, they never really affect.))
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 02, 2009, 06:01:13 pm
Honestly, the problem isn't that you wanted him in the ring, it's how you approached it. You didn't pay attention to his position or anything, you just decided right of, with him already figuring he was going in, it wasn't going to matter, and just sat and watched.
Could you clarify? I'm not sure what you're saying.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2009, 06:19:09 pm
Also, policy lynch = bad. Do I honestly need to explain why?
Not in this game.
In a game where a vote isn't necessarily a death sentence, and who is removed from the game is determined by combat where the scum have an advantage, voting for yourself can be a WIFOM. One might reason, "The scum want to stay out of combat, so anybody who votes themselves is town!" And that wouldn't necessarily be true. In fact, since they have an advantage, it can be a prudent move to vote for themselves.
So that's why we've decided to automatically vote for anybody who votes for themselves. Don't deal with their WIFOM, just throw them right in.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2009, 08:10:04 pm
Halmie : JanusTwoFace, Org, PrinnyBaal
MagmaDeath : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Pandarsenic, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
Org : Halmie, RandomNumberGenerator
PrinnyBaal : Jim Groovester
RandomNumberGenerator : PrinnyBaal
RedWarrior0 : MagmaDeath
rickvoid: MagmaDeath, Org
Our two Duelists have been chosen! MagmaDeath returns to the Arena, this time to face Halmie!
Set-up phase has started and will go until ~5pm Pacific Friday or until I have all Elements, Assists, and Side-Actions.
Post by: Org on December 02, 2009, 08:19:12 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 08:48:17 pm
Well, I'm not altogether surprised.
I guess I'm getting the role ExKirby wanted, staying in the ring fighting the cabel off.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 02, 2009, 10:01:19 pm
Post by: Org on December 02, 2009, 10:04:25 pm
Post by: Org on December 02, 2009, 10:04:46 pm
sorry
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 02, 2009, 11:21:34 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 02, 2009, 11:28:57 pm
Post by: Frelock on December 02, 2009, 11:39:33 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 03, 2009, 01:03:11 am
Hmmm, this is feeling like exactly what I wanted to avoid. Honestly, we really shouldn't be so willing to leave things so far up to luck. Luck is a terrible thing to bet on- I know that well enough. Given that no assists can be changed, I'll stay on that for now, and if I don't see anyone going one way or another, I'll probably switch to assisting Halmie in this case with something more useful for seeing stats ((Such as fire healing or something.))
Specifically, I felt you cared more at shoving him in the arena- You didn't care if he was townie, he was just a lynch target. -_- I thought that was a pretty basic accusation, but I guess the implication just doesn't follow... I'm saying you were trying to get him into the arena not on any evidence, but based on the idea that he simply would be easy to yell at, then shrug and say something like "He deserved it."Honestly, the problem isn't that you wanted him in the ring, it's how you approached it. You didn't pay attention to his position or anything, you just decided right of, with him already figuring he was going in, it wasn't going to matter, and just sat and watched.
Could you clarify? I'm not sure what you're saying.
Policy Lynch is Policy Lynch regardless of what game it's in. The reason policy lynch is bad is because it presents easier ways to excuse their actions, waste lynches, and contribute without actually doing work for scum, and tends to get anti-town TOWNIES lynched. Yes, it's better that people just don't do self-voting. That doesn't mean it's a better idea to always vote such a person. It's better to use your brain in these cases, honestly, failure to do so means you're wasting our time.Also, policy lynch = bad. Do I honestly need to explain why?
Not in this game.
In a game where a vote isn't necessarily a death sentence, and who is removed from the game is determined by combat where the scum have an advantage, voting for yourself can be a WIFOM. One might reason, "The scum want to stay out of combat, so anybody who votes themselves is town!" And that wouldn't necessarily be true. In fact, since they have an advantage, it can be a prudent move to vote for themselves.
So that's why we've decided to automatically vote for anybody who votes for themselves. Don't deal with their WIFOM, just throw them right in.
And as for the whole randomness of combat: 2 tower mages in a duel is still a tower lynch. 2 cabal mages is always a cabal lynch. In both cases, it's better to throw in such a pair regardless. Letting a townie slip in is giving yourself a chance you can't catch the cabal. Any cabal jumping in is like robbing a police station. Yes, you just might get lucky, but hell if it's a bad idea regardless. The cabal is giving up the advantage of being able to quietly avoid any possibility of death for... a chance to die.
No Cabal member gains anything from being in battle. Not even the combat roles. The same applies to Tower.
WIFOM is one thing and that's not how it works I'm pretty sure. In this case, yes, people voting themselves into the arena is pretty anti-town, but it doesn't seem scummy to me. It seems anti-town. Also, again, have you ever considered the possibility someone might want to jump into the arena to have fun?
Post by: Halmie on December 03, 2009, 02:43:35 am
I should of snuck on in school.
On topic:
Ok. If I get a +2 in enough stats to make me about equal to a cabal. (Try the right combo from a few runs with the script) We can see if Magma is archmage (If he gets a clear win), cabal (about even) or vanilla townie (I win without much trouble).
Magma, why do you think I'm sure cabal?
Back in the ring again.I got voted in to keep Org out incase his claim is true. rickvoid doesn't look like scum becuase he can't (not posting as far as I can see)
Well, I'm not altogether surprised.
I guess I'm getting the role ExKirby wanted, staying in the ring fighting the cabel off.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 03, 2009, 02:50:39 am
Here
Along with the 7 or eight other posts trying to get himself thrown in.It means that one less of you will need to risk your lives in proving scum.It depends, do you think that either ExKirby or MagmaDeath has been scummy enough to warrant an execution? Than we would want to assist the other.Yup.
A question for each of the dualists:
ExKirby: If you survive, will you insist on being thrown into the dual tomorrow?
MagmaDeath: Will you be less lurky tomorrow if you survive?
What good are you then?
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 03, 2009, 03:29:27 am
Post by: Org on December 03, 2009, 06:49:22 am
Post by: Halmie on December 03, 2009, 07:11:21 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 03, 2009, 11:31:17 am
Hey, ANY role can be either alignment, right?
Incorrect. Justicar, Grey Mage, and Celestial Mage are all Tower-only roles.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 03, 2009, 04:13:28 pm
Hmmm....
This is troublesome.
Withdrawing my no assist; I need to figure something out before this progresses.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2009, 04:26:22 pm
As it stands, MagmaDeath is not vanilla tower. He wouldn't have won so quickly and he admitted it. Most likely, he's a Cabal Mage, a Time Mage (of either flavor), or an Archmage (in roughly that order).
If he's a Cabal Mage or Time Mage, then we should try to balance Halmie against MagmaDeath or even aid him more to take him out. On the other hand, if he's a Tower Archmage, we really need his help towards the end of the game. What we do have is Org though.
Mod: Would a theoretical Justicar be able to relay any results before being incapacitated if targeted by the Cabal or a Gray Mage?
If so, I think we would best be served by no assisting and having Org determine the status of MagmaDeath.
If not, I think we should assist against MagmaDeath to the point where Halmie has roughly the stats of a Cabal Mage (+1 in each, assist once each with the wrong element). That way, we can confirm (or at least get more information on what MagmaDeath is).
Random comment:
Withdrawing my no assist
For some reason this cracked me up...
Post by: Mephansteras on December 03, 2009, 04:35:01 pm
Mod: Would a theoretical Justicar be able to relay any results before being incapacitated if targeted by the Cabal or a Gray Mage?
No, the incapacitation would take place before he would be able to post again.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 03, 2009, 04:38:46 pm
also, I like the boosting of Halmie idea.
If you guys don't mind, I'll boost speed.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 03, 2009, 04:40:03 pm
Halmie is an Archivist. He successfully told me my role. I suggest we boost the shit out of him and have Org scan him, because he can use his side action to explain why people win by dramatic superhuge amounts.
Post by: Org on December 03, 2009, 04:40:34 pm
PrinnyBaal is scummy
I already selected a scan
Post by: Mephansteras on December 03, 2009, 04:46:00 pm
Out of curiosity, would he be able to find anything out before being incapacitated?
Yes, although the only ones he could talk to about it would be other people in the Healing Ward in that case.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2009, 04:51:03 pm
Second, I think that MagmaDeath needs to claim his role now. Yes, I'm rolefishing, so sue me. But we need to know right now if his role is more or less valuable than an Archivist. Basically, if he's an Archmage. Then Org can target whichever is more valuable with everyone assisting so we can guarantee that (assuming Org is Tower) we can know whether or not we can trust them (assume that he survives, which looks a little stickier at this point).
That being said, I don't think that Org would try to pull off a fake Justicar claim by himself, but I wouldn't put it past an Org/Pandarsenic scum team. In which case, we should tread very carefully for the time being.
Thoughts?
Psudeo-edit:
Ok, so Org apparently already sent in a scan of PrinnyBaal. That might change things somewhat.
Mod: Can the target of side action be changed before the duel actually takes place?
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 03, 2009, 04:51:54 pm
Also, I'm going to go ahead and assist Halmie then:
Assisting Halmie's Healing with Water.
If you can't figure out why I'm doing this at this point... Honestly, read the thread. I already stated I wanted to assist Halmie, and with the more recent comments, here you go. Hopefully we see a couple more assists rather than him just being stomped by his opponent...
Post by: Mephansteras on December 03, 2009, 04:52:55 pm
Mod: Can the target of side action be changed before the duel actually takes place?
Yes, side action decisions can be changed up until the point where the duel takes place.
It is only assists that cannot be taken back once given.
Post by: Org on December 03, 2009, 04:53:07 pm
First, just remember that Archivists are not on the list of cannot-be-Cabal. So keep that in mind, that he may only half be telling the truth.not prinny...
Second, I think that MagmaDeath needs to claim his role now. Yes, I'm rolefishing, so sue me. But we need to know right now if his role is more or less valuable than an Archivist. Basically, if he's an Archmage. Then Org can target whichever is more valuable with everyone assisting so we can guarantee that (assuming Org is Tower) we can know whether or not we can trust them (assume that he survives, which looks a little stickier at this point).
That being said, I don't think that Org would try to pull off a fake Justicar claim by himself, but I wouldn't put it past an Org/Pandarsenic scum team. In which case, we should tread very carefully for the time being.
Thoughts?
Psudeo-edit:
Ok, so Org apparently already sent in a scan of PrinnyBaal. That might change things somewhat.
Mod: Can the target of side action be changed before the duel actually takes place?
Post by: Kashyyk on December 03, 2009, 04:53:20 pm
I assist Halmie with the speed of Air.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 03, 2009, 04:58:05 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 03, 2009, 05:01:02 pm
Pandarsenic inscribes Purple runes of Fire in the air above Halmie to give him an Attack Boost
PrinnyBaal inscribes Illusiory Purple runes of Water in the air above Halmie to give him additional Healing
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2009, 05:05:13 pm
Although I would have preferred to hear what MagmaDeath's role was first. Actually, if he's an Archmage, he still has a pretty good chance even against a mage with four assists.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 03, 2009, 05:05:54 pm
ARGHBLBLBLBLfASDFHGLAKDUJF
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 03, 2009, 05:16:11 pm
Hey, if anyone has any questions for me, please ask. It's easier for me to respond than to request, as I tend to naturally be reclusive. I know it's bad for the town, and I have to fight it, but I try to respond whenever I can so... please, do ask me things.
Anyway, one more thing: I doubt it much matters at the moment, but... We've just super boosted Halmie doods. I doubt he'll be taken down, basic math applies that he just received +2 to two stats, +4 to 1, and +1 to the last... He's doing good. Unless his opponent is a Cabal Archmage, I doubt we have to worry on that front, so unless more people show up and assist, that's probably the only case we have to worry about.
Sooo... yeah.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2009, 05:18:49 pm
If he's an Archmage, they're matched pretty evenly right now.
If he's a Cabal Archmage, we need to find this out as soon as possible, because they're still rather hard to take down.
Post by: Halmie on December 03, 2009, 07:36:44 pm
Janus: If pandarsenic was scummy he could of easily ignored my distress pm so I highly doubt that he is scum.
Won't the assists be even more powerful if some of the assists are power roles? So I might (if I'm lucky) be as powerful as a cabal archmage.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 03, 2009, 07:55:11 pm
At least I made it to the second duel.
Post by: Org on December 03, 2009, 07:55:44 pm
Well, I'm not an Archmage, so I'll probably get the stuffing beat out of me.You are scummy
At least I made it to the second duel.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 03, 2009, 08:18:17 pm
Whatever you say Org, I'm dead anyway.Well, I'm not an Archmage, so I'll probably get the stuffing beat out of me.You are scummy
At least I made it to the second duel.
Oh, I'm a tower time mage btw.
I think a subtle mage boosted my attack in the last fight.
Post by: Org on December 03, 2009, 08:47:16 pm
If you win, you are so dying.Whatever you say Org, I'm dead anyway.Well, I'm not an Archmage, so I'll probably get the stuffing beat out of me.You are scummy
At least I made it to the second duel.
Oh, I'm a tower time mage btw.
I think a subtle mage boosted my attack in the last fight.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 03, 2009, 08:54:21 pm
Beyond that, a quick comment at Magma:
Last I recall, having a high (er) speed added a tiny boost to attack and defense or something, iirc the calculations correctly. I'm probably wrong though.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2009, 08:57:51 pm
Last I recall, having a high (er) speed added a tiny boost to attack and defense or something, iirc the calculations correctly. I'm probably wrong though.
I'm pretty sure that it's the difference in speed / 4. So with a high enough speed, you get an extra attack with higher attack and defense scores.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2009, 09:17:47 pm
It looks like you guys have already settled on a plan, and I don't have much to add.
So I guess I'll just no assist.
... Well, if we do have a guardian- it's now looking odd which way he'll go. I honestly suggest just staying on the Justicar, as really having a Justicar is always the best chance we have for finding the Cabal.
The Guardian should protect Org. It's much more advantageous for us for the Guardian to protect the role that can make confirmed Towers and find scum rather than the one that can find out people's roles, and occasionally, make a confirmed Tower. (Because the Archivist might investigate a Tower-only role.)
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 05, 2009, 01:47:17 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 05, 2009, 11:25:39 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 05, 2009, 12:04:47 pm
Pandarsenic inscribes Purple runes of Fire in the air above Halmie to give him an Attack Boost
PrinnyBaal inscribes Illusiory Purple runes of Water in the air above Halmie to give him additional Healing
JanusTwoFace inscribes Blueish runes of Earth in the air above Halmie to give him a Defense Boost
Set-up phase is now closed. I will post the results once I have a chance to do the write-up (hopefully in just a little bit)
Post by: Mephansteras on December 05, 2009, 09:56:54 pm
The two mages walk out onto the Arena floor. MagmaDeath enters from the South Side, Lime Green runes trailing behind him. As he reaches his starting spot he slams the butt of his staff on the ground, and a cascade of water and ice shoots up into the air in front of him.
From the North enters Halmie. He raises his wooden staff to the sky, and Aquamarine runes explode in the air around him. He gestures, and great spikes of stone rise up around him, their tips glittering with faint blue electricity.
At the sign from the Marshal of the games to begin the duel, MagamaDeath sweeps his staff forward. The icy waters surrounding him rush across the arena floor to slam into the surprised Halmie. He staggers backwards and brings up his shields, but before his maroon robes are drenched from the frigid torrent. His shields rise just in time to prevent a large ball of ice that MagmaDeath conjures above him, and the aquamarine mage's runes flare around him. One of the stone spikes is launched into the air and hurtles down at MagmaDeath, slamming through his shields but just grazing his leg.
The green mage sends spears of ice the pummel the blue mage. Halmie's shields buckle under the strain, and he is blinded by shards of ice. MagamDeath sends another wave of icy shards in, but the blue mage dodges aside as he wipes bloodly water from his eyes. Another spike of stone slams into the green runes, but they hold this time and the stone shatters into gravel.
A wave of frozen rain washes over the blue mage, merely scattering against his shield but enough to distract him from the giant wave of water bearing down on him. Halmie's shield buckles under the weight and he is swept off his feet and tumbled to the arena wall. Snarling, the blue mage slams his hands on the ground, causing the whole arena to shake. A great fissure opens up beneath MagmaDeath and he tumbles inside just before it snaps shut.
You stare in awe, wondering if this is the end of the green mage. But even as you start to think he is gone the earth shudders and a great spear of ice bursts from the ground and slams into Halmie's shields to explode in a starburst of green light. MagmaDeath appears amidst the sparks and shards, his staff swinging towards Halmie. As the staff connects you see a jagged chunk of ice form on the end. The blue mage staggers backwards, holding his stomach. The chunk of ice then flies off the staff to glance against Halmie's head, knocking the blue mage to his knees. He thrusts his staff out at his opponent, but the green mage easily dodges the razor-sharp blades of obsidian that spin towards him.
The green mage spins his staff over his head, and great spears of ice begin to fall from the sky. The blue runes around Halmie shudder and spark as blow after blow slams into them. Finally, they give way again as two great spears of ice slam into him from each side. The blue mage rolls away, his robes sliced in a hundred places and the water at his feet stained red with his blood. Trailing his staff on the ground he draws a quick rune and the earth beneath MagmaDeath bursts upwards, sending the green mage tumbling backwards across the arena floor.
Battered, the green mage hobbles to his feet, using his staff to lever himself upright while his left hand gestures wildly. A hail of icy shards assaults the blue mage, but his runes flare to life around him and the ice explodes into mist. He throws another spear of rock at MagmaDeath, but it falls short of the mark as the green mages backs up.
Green lights shine brightly around MagmaDeath as he conjures yet another wave of water, but the blue mage is ready this time. The earth around him rises up to form a bulwark against the waters, as the flow subsides Halmie gestures with his staff and the bulwark explodes outwards into a million chunks of stone. MagmaDeath is caught in the blast, and his runes flicker and die around him as tons of stone slam into them. Finally, the green mage is buried in rubble, only his head and one arm visible.
The Marshal calls the duel over, and the Healers rush out to MagmaDeath as Halmie staggers back through the doors of the Arena to rest up before the next duel.
You hear a gasping sound behind you, and turn to see Pandarsenic lying on the ground and clutching at his throat. The security detail rushes him off to the Healing Ward.
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
MagmaDeath, Time Mage of Air has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Pandarsenic, War Mage of Water has choked on something and is removed from the Tournament!
Ok, that is Duel 2!
Vote Phase for Duel 3 has started and will go until ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
NOTE: Rickvoid has been absent for too long and needs to be replaced.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 10:03:38 pm
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 10:19:16 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 05, 2009, 10:20:23 pm
I'm a Water Mage! I can't choke! That's ridiculous! >:{
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 05, 2009, 10:20:42 pm
On the flip side, I'd say Halmie is probably a Tower. If he was Cabal, his stats should've been more than enough in that situation. Something... well, needless to say it should've been an easy kill, and it's far more likely imo that Halmie is Tower here.
- And there's Org. I'm assuming you're saying you were Role Blocked? Fine. Care to chat in private? I'm assuming you still dislike my commentary- and that means you're likely to be targeting me knowing basic psychology.
Post by: Halmie on December 05, 2009, 10:24:02 pm
Org who did you end up scanning and what result did you get?
I think someone who assisted me was a subtle mage who assisted magma. It looked pretty intense. It could of been someone just assisting magma but I still would have been way further ahead. I also picked the right element and still had trouble (Isn't earth the right thing to attack air?)
I am either unlucky or one of the four who assisted me were subtle.
What do people think?
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 10:24:18 pm
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 10:25:48 pm
Sorry archivist is more important than time mage. I personally believed you but we couldnt change who went in the ring.
Org who did you end up scanning and what result did you get?
I think someone who assisted me was a subtle mage who assisted magma. It looked pretty intense. It could of been someone just assisting magma but I still would have been way further ahead. I also picked the right element and still had trouble (Isn't earth the right thing to attack air?)
I am either unlucky or one of the four who assisted me were subtle.
What do people think?
Someone is a roleblocker
Someone....roleblocker
roleblocker
Post by: Halmie on December 05, 2009, 10:26:17 pm
I was typing when you posted that.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 05, 2009, 10:33:05 pm
If my contacting you is what made me scum... particularly in this case- can't you, oh, maybe... Think about it a little bit?
Also, guys... If Points help determine what Cabal we're dealing with... there's going to be some nasty Cabal. We've got a claimed Archivist, a Justicar, an Alchemist, a War Mage, a Time Mage, and a Warrior Mage. Last I checked, that's a lot of points.
... Also, what are our numbers at? Wouldn't it be 5/4 for Tower/Cabal?
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 10:34:00 pm
Than care to pause on me? Honestly- you're so short sighted that I can't even begin to comment. You aren't going to explain your case... or what I commented that made your case. There's a REASON I even brought it up before hand.Hell0o scum
If my contacting you is what made me scum... particularly in this case- can't you, oh, maybe... Think about it a little bit?
Also, guys... If Points help determine what Cabal we're dealing with... there's going to be some nasty Cabal. We've got a claimed Archivist, a Justicar, an Alchemist, a War Mage, a Time Mage, and a Warrior Mage. Last I checked, that's a lot of points.
... Also, what are our numbers at? Wouldn't it be 5/4 for Tower/Cabal?
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 05, 2009, 10:35:44 pm
What intrigues me is a WIFOM problem with the length: With Halmie attacking with air, he should have doubled his damage and won quickly. One would think that, therefore, he must have darkness as his element, as light means no side action. On the other hand, with his boosts, one would expect a quick win, not the drawn out battle they had. Thus, he couldn't be Cabal with the stat boost and the good deal of spectator boost.
I think he's a water mage. Why? It seems the Fire Attack Boost must not have done much. If Magma had subtle Water healing from scum, it would mean the battle isn't too quick.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 05, 2009, 11:47:43 pm
Go ahead- It'll be faster I suppose.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 05, 2009, 11:48:21 pm
Told you.
I don't think it was a matter of you being a Time Mage or not, but rather, an Archivist being more important than a Time Mage. Once you guys were in the ring, we needed to get Halmie out alive. The major problem I see now is that we've now lost 3 combat-heavy role. I'm worried that when we actually find the Cabal, we might have trouble killing them.
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 11:51:00 pm
Once again; when you receive results on me, don't just go posting them. I'm interested in something- and since phase is almost just about over... I'd like you to wait for me to respond.
I'm guessing you're Cabal actually. The points are looking rather ridiculous in the flip if you aren't. So, well played for this game- care to work with me?
Honestly- there's quite a good reason I'm offering- I'll assist anyone you throw in the ring and tell me to. Even vote for whoever you tell me to, because I don't need to work with the Tower to win. I mentioned it to someone else I suspected, but hilariously enough, I'll be explaining it to you.
I'm another role, goal is only to be alive until the end, I don't actually need to win the tournament. My goal is to get into the finals to assure a better spot in the next Tower administration apparently. I'm an Illusionist. In most ways, I function similar to a beefed up subtle mage.
That said, naturally, you should doubt this claim but... given you're probably Cabal it should be fine to just ignore me, after all, there's obviously no Grey Mage- and with me the Cabal would have the majority vote and Assist.
So... Yea. That's why I contacted you. Sort of funny, if still a little hilarious in it's own right. Anyway, go ahead and tell the other Cabal about this. If Janus is one of them as I suspect, then he can confirm I claimed Illusionist much earlier.
QuoteI'm guessing you're Cabal actually. The points are looking rather ridiculous in the flip if you aren't. So, well played for this game- care to work with me?
Honestly- there's quite a good reason I'm offering- I'll assist anyone you throw in the ring and tell me to. Even vote for whoever you tell me to, because I don't need to work with the Tower to win. I mentioned it to someone else I suspected, but hilariously enough, I'll be explaining it to you.
I'm another role, goal is only to be alive until the end, I don't actually need to win the tournament. My goal is to get into the finals to assure a better spot in the next Tower administration apparently. I'm an Illusionist. In most ways, I function similar to a beefed up subtle mage.
That said, naturally, you should doubt this claim but... given you're probably Cabal it should be fine to just ignore me, after all, there's obviously no Grey Mage- and with me the Cabal would have the majority vote and Assist.
So... Yea. That's why I contacted you. Sort of funny, if still a little hilarious in it's own right. Anyway, go ahead and tell the other Cabal about this. If Janus is one of them as I suspect, then he can confirm I claimed Illusionist much earlier.
YOU HAVE TO SEND IT TO MEPH
RAEG
Ack. Ah, forgot to add him manually- And I'm sorry that I forgot to put him in there- but I was already trying to deal with you ahead of time. Eh... Either way... I think he knows of my position already. Again- sorry it wasn't included, but again- it's rather hard to be perfect all the time dood.
Regardless dood. If you're mafian, whatever- if not, then I guess whatever happens. Honestly- you don't seem to think about this at all, so as I said, just ask Janus about the claim either way.
... Honestly, you'd think people would notice the subtler things. I guess most people need to be bashed upside the head with a clue to figure it out though. Meh.
Hey ScumbucketHonestly dood- you just don't get it. Whatever, do what you want to do. My goal is ridiculous to pull off in a case like this- and yet also subtly hilarious at the same time. I guess... there's nothing I can do now that I chose to actually address you- especially when you haven't a clue how these things usually work.
Meph, I can quote his pms right?
Also; that personality of yours should change a little- answering to a person trying to actually discuss things-
Meh, honestly, I should've seen this coming from you.
Well, since I want to avoid getting directly into too much awkwardness- I'm going to say this: If you investigate me for this phase, please tell me when you do. You might get a weird result depending on whether it returns just Not Cabal/Cabal, or if it returns Tower/Cabal etc. I'd like to talk to you before you go around chatting about it if you do notice something but...
Yea, mostly just commenting, since well, you know. Didn't want to get on when the next phase change comes and be waiting to hear from you on whether you did that or not. It's your call if you investigate me- but if you're going to... just please do let me know so I can be helpful.
Why?
... If you're going to declare me scummy, investigate me. Otherwise, there's no point- you'll be mis-understanding my position, and that'll mostly just suck for me.
If you want to do so, do so. I'm not going to bother explaining until you do investigate me. There's a reason I said this ahead of time: So you don't go just posting things into the main thread the moment you get results back when they aren't Cabal.
... Sigh. If you understood what I was implying, it would probably make more sense, but until you do investigate me, I don't want to be tipping my hand.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 05, 2009, 11:52:18 pm
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 11:53:52 pm
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 11:57:52 pm
Enchanter. Not nullifier
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 05, 2009, 11:59:13 pm
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 12:00:36 am
Quote
Honestly- there's quite a good reason I'm offering- I'll assist anyone you throw in the ring and tell me to. Even vote for whoever you tell me to, because I don't need to work with the Tower to win. I mentioned it to someone else I suspected, but hilariously enough, I'll be explaining it to you.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 12:04:58 am
What? If the statement on how many Cabal there are is correct, then there's 4, + me, means controlling the lynch. If that's true, there's no reason I shouldn't bother coming out here.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 06, 2009, 12:06:23 am
Post by: Halmie on December 06, 2009, 12:13:31 am
PrinnyBaal you're either stupid, scum or I dont understand what's going on (could be a mix). This is a big wtf moment for me.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 12:15:47 am
Further- I guess I'm mostly betting that they'll be honorable, and let me live to the last, since it doesn't exactly interfere with their victory conditions.
Post by: Halmie on December 06, 2009, 01:15:26 am
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 01:36:55 am
Although it does begin to occur to me that perhaps the first reason the mafia might not be so interested yet might be that Rickvoid was mafian- meaning they've got an afk voter who can't contribute- in which case it's probably dependent on getting a replacement for him. *Winks at the fourth wall.*
Oh, and as for the whole scum end, allow me to point out one thing. Org has claimed he was enchanted- why would I have approached him before he ever suspected me and asked him about investigating me? It would've been a far better move to just lurk to some kind of victory during that phase. Anyway...
Well, I guess I'll be getting on intermittently between now and deadline. I'm definitely going to have to get on near deadline- knowing some psychology.
Post by: Halmie on December 06, 2009, 02:00:18 am
1. Destroying the other side.
2. Winning the tournament indivually.
e.g. In the last game the cabal won the first goal but only Org won the tournament so he is a winner in his own right. The cabal can NK you to get rid of one fight.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 06, 2009, 02:15:26 am
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 10:14:59 am
I am certain that PrinnyBaal and Org are two of the Cabal.Why?
I would never have the time to type those up. I am a lurker. I am helping since this is my first time in Wizard Duel as town. Usually I dont help town or scum.
Post by: Frelock on December 06, 2009, 03:09:11 pm
a)Scum
b)A survivor, and a survivor at lylo is something we can't afford to have.
c)An archmage who wants to act as executioner for the town and wants to try to fool scum into talking to him.
Now, in all of these cases, we probably want you in the ring. Therefore, I think it's safe to say you'll go there. However, I think the first two are more likely. Why? Because you asked Org to "investigate" you(org, the fact that you came back empty-handed is not helping to clear you in my mind). Either you
a) Have a scumbuddy who blocked Org
b) Actually have a weird alignment, and expected org to get a weird result.
c) Believed Org would check you, and reveal you were tower, and thus post the PM's at your request to get you into the ring.
Obviously, c) is unlikely. Also, b) is also unlikely, as I'm not sure if meph would even put an alignment like that into this setup. But then why would you use this gambit and claim to Org. I really don't get it.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2009, 03:56:31 pm
Also, you contacted me assuming that I was scum. Since I know that I'm not combined with the fact that you've contacted Org as well makes me wonder. Are you scum trying to frame two Tower mages when you finally do get taken down?
Something just feels really odd about this.
Summitude list (remaining non-me players, decending order of scumminess):
PrinnyBaal - claiming a role that doesn't exist (so far as we know), might be a subtle mage, also tone of PMs (granted don't have a baseline for that)
Halmie - is most likely an Archivist, dangerous role for Cabal to have, wth against PB seems scummy if PB is scummy
Frelock - agree with logic, wth against PB seems scummy if PB is scummy though
Jim Groovester - is quieter than normal, scum?
Kashyyk - is quiet like normal, possibly scum?
rickvoid - needs replacement, hard to get a read on right now
RedWarrior0 - don't really have a good read for him
RandomNumberGenerator - not getting a good read
Org - Justicar claim, think PrinnyBaal might be trying to frame him
Post by: Mephansteras on December 06, 2009, 04:42:54 pm
Org : RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Halmie, Org, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 05:18:39 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2009, 05:21:41 pm
RedWarrior0, why are you certain that Org is scum? And Org, do you have anything on RedWarrior0?
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 05:26:26 pm
Um, ok?No
RedWarrior0, why are you certain that Org is scum? And Org, do you have anything on RedWarrior0?
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 05:55:04 pm
Getting me into the last duel is getting a pass. I do not interfere with the win conditions of whoever gets in there with me. I guess I made the mistake of assuming that if the Cabal had a guaranteed chance of winning, I would end up being dealt with honorably rather than the very likely potential of them deciding to just off me in exchange for the win.
And for the town; I award you guys D for Dunce. Honestly, have none of you thought this through? You kill the survivor... and you lose. I'm a balancing vote at the moment- 4 townies, 4 Cabals... one survivor. I die- then a townie dies... and it's victory for the mafia anyway. Hell. Even if there's 3 Cabals due to Rickvoid being Cabal it's a loss for the town anyway. The mafia is obviously going to go ahead and help me into the ring if they're given the chance. ((And indeed, if you count, at this point at least one of them must be.))
The town has a far better chance if you were, oh I dunno, to convince me to vote with you on a pair of Cabals. And as for the whole higher chance to survive if I didn't claim... Uh, last time I checked, if I didn't claim, the Cabal would've eventually incapacitated me later. But whatever...
Sigh- and yes, I thought it was unlikely there'd be a survivor too. That's why it ended up with me contacting Org.
Sigh- not sure why I continue bothering. Really- this one's odd.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2009, 06:00:21 pm
Getting me into the last duel is getting a pass. I do not interfere with the win conditions of whoever gets in there with me. I guess I made the mistake of assuming that if the Cabal had a guaranteed chance of winning, I would end up being dealt with honorably rather than the very likely potential of them deciding to just off me in exchange for the win.I'm just not sure that I actually believe that you have the role that you say you do...
And for the town; I award you guys D for Dunce. Honestly, have none of you thought this through? You kill the survivor... and you lose. I'm a balancing vote at the moment- 4 townies, 4 Cabals... one survivor. I die- then a townie dies... and it's victory for the mafia anyway. Hell. Even if there's 3 Cabals due to Rickvoid being Cabal it's a loss for the town anyway. The mafia is obviously going to go ahead and help me into the ring if they're given the chance. ((And indeed, if you count, at this point at least one of them must be.))In a traditional game, yes. The problem is, this isn't a traditional game. Getting control of the lynch is not necessarily enough to win, you also have to win the duels. And all of the cabal would (most likely) have to reveal themselves for this to happen...
Granted, it's not a great chance (if you're telling the truth), but still, it's there. Especially if there is still at least one town combat role around. And I still think you're lying.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 06:02:18 pm
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 06:02:58 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 06, 2009, 06:30:46 pm
Also, I sort of voted Org prematurely. Unvote Org.
Janus: In the PM, Prinny stated that he claimed Illusionist to you. Is this true?
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 06:35:04 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2009, 06:41:09 pm
Janus: In the PM, Prinny stated that he claimed Illusionist to you. Is this true?
Yes. He claimed 'an illusionist of sorts' earlier in the game and actually claimed that Illusionist was his role more recently.
Why the vote? Do you suspect me or are you just trying to get me to talk? If you suspect me, why?
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 06:44:20 pm
So- yes. I'll admit part of what Warrior said is true- I'm not exactly an Illusionist third party role as I claimed. You can go ahead and think about why I bothered with it on your own. I'm not retarded as some people might assume by my claim. Just... a little expectant of the worst. Funny thing is, I kind of was preparing for this for awhile. Eh...
I guess I should vote- Voting for Org, and Frelock. Org- there's no way in heaven or hell you're a justicar. The points system for roles- your initial commentary, a lot of things make me honestly doubt you are one. Frelock... your personality. ((Oh boy. I sure love this category of accusations. They never work- but I'm always so certain of them...)) Mainly this line:
Quote
b)A survivor, and a survivor at lylo is something we can't afford to have.for not thinking your comment through.
... Oh boy. *sigh* Well, I can hope that my Rickvoid theory is true...
Oh, and yea- I'm a Subtle Mage. I chose illusionist because I intended to use that as a cover but... I never did actually get investigated. If I had, I was hoping to use it as a tool to make my claim sound just a little more reasonable out the gate...
Still- as they say, never give up until it's over... Regardless of what happens, I'm probably going to be argued against from all sides- I'm going to have to hope I can get a Cabal in with me if you guys insist on throwing me in there...
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 07:05:04 pm
Sigh- I'm guessing I'm not going to get a PM then. Someone probably asked Meph by this point, and if they did my claim isn't going.I love this!!!!!!!THanks for making my day.
So- yes. I'll admit part of what Warrior said is true- I'm not exactly an Illusionist third party role as I claimed. You can go ahead and think about why I bothered with it on your own. I'm not retarded as some people might assume by my claim. Just... a little expectant of the worst. Funny thing is, I kind of was preparing for this for awhile. Eh...
I guess I should vote- Voting for Org, and Frelock. Org- there's no way in heaven or hell you're a justicar. The points system for roles- your initial commentary, a lot of things make me honestly doubt you are one. Frelock... your personality. ((Oh boy. I sure love this category of accusations. They never work- but I'm always so certain of them...)) Mainly this line:Quoteb)A survivor, and a survivor at lylo is something we can't afford to have.for not thinking your comment through.
... Oh boy. *sigh* Well, I can hope that my Rickvoid theory is true...
Oh, and yea- I'm a Subtle Mage. I chose illusionist because I intended to use that as a cover but... I never did actually get investigated. If I had, I was hoping to use it as a tool to make my claim sound just a little more reasonable out the gate...
Still- as they say, never give up until it's over... Regardless of what happens, I'm probably going to be argued against from all sides- I'm going to have to hope I can get a Cabal in with me if you guys insist on throwing me in there...
Then-
Oh man, org, dude check me dude but you might get weird results but just check me yo you are justicar.
Now-
Dude no way no justicar dont add up man dude lolz haxor
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 07:11:55 pm
1: Let's say you are Justicar. You actually succeed at investigating me. I'm townie. You could then technically have assisted me on my claim- claiming you got weird results.
2: You're Cabal, you're going to be faking something- and you might suspect something- the goal is to get you to believe I'm telling the truth in this case so you admit Cabal, and screw up, right?
Where's your objection between these two states?
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 07:14:06 pm
Ever thought of the idea that either way... I could have accomplished my goal with that PM?I wont investigate you.
1: Let's say you are Justicar. You actually succeed at investigating me. I'm townie. You could then technically have assisted me on my claim- claiming you got weird results.
2: You're Cabal, you're going to be faking something- and you might suspect something- the goal is to get you to believe I'm telling the truth in this case so you admit Cabal, and screw up, right?
Where's your objection between these two states?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2009, 07:16:06 pm
JTF, if you've recieved PMs from PrinnyBaal, you should post them here.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 07:31:41 pm
Alright, again- this still causes a problem dood. First, very basic logic would indicate
-MY CLAIM IS A RETARDED MOVE AS CABAL-
If as Janus seems to be indicating, I had planned this ahead, maybe it would be a move that might be done... although again- why the hell would my team have not stopped me? Why the hell would I suddenly act so out of my standard as to do this?
And another one doesn't think. There's a reason- ever thought about the game? About my comments thus far? My general position? I'm saying- no, I'm not Cabal. I'm a townie, and there's a reason I did this; namely that I believe that unless the town gets the Cabal in a pile- they're essentially never going to win. Do some basic thinking about what the game looks like- this is one of the few games where the cabal can actually happily trade members for townies in lynches because they'll always get a better rate. Maybe if we had a Grey Mage I wouldn't have bothered- but we've lost so many roles already, what the hell do you expect to happen when the position someone looks at the game from is that it's nearly impossible to win conventionally?
((And don't argue that it's not. That's -not- the dang point. I could provide my reasoning, but again, not the dang point.))
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2009, 07:43:11 pm
You PM the cop, saying "Hey, Cabal! Let's work together!", and ask him to investigate you. Then you claim a non-existant role, for what, exactly? So that you could get the Cabal to contact you so you could reveal them? Why did you think that would ever work?
The "Too stupid for Cabal" defense doesn't mean a whole lot, because the Cabal could try something brazen and stupid and then claim that as WIFOM. It doesn't take away any of the suspcion of the act, at all.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 07:50:22 pm
And yes- I had merely hoped I'd get a Cabal claim. You'd be surprised how stupid some people can be. ^_^ But still- it was worth a try compared to, oh, I dunno, doing nothing? I mean, I've always sort of sucked at getting people to believe me- I know that. People should know generally by now who I suspect for Cabal- and I'm being honest there. Frelock, Rickvoid, Org, and Janus. ((Tbh, RNG is still floating at the bottom, but I don't know what to say about that.)) If you assume whatever, assume whatever- I'm just hoping people will actually... ugh, I want to say think in terms of some things but... really- just think is all I can say. It's lylo regardless. The town needs to be perfect from here out. (Barring of course that Rickvoid technically is Cabal, in which case he have a sort of emergency relief)
And as for the too stupid thing... I meant that more as something else- but yea, I understand what you mean. I guess I may as well not argue that since it's not proper to argue personality in this situation I suppose.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 06, 2009, 08:13:59 pm
-sigh-
I just... don't understand what you're trying to do. Your actions make no sense for either Tower or Cabal. You've just spread a shitload of WIFOM around like it was fertilizer - the last thing any half-decent town player would do. On the other hand, you've practically committed suicide with your constant side-flipping... One second you try to ally with the cabal, the next you switch back to town? I'm just... flabbergasted, really.
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 08:18:19 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2009, 08:26:25 pm
I suspect you might be fake claiming, because you left out that detail when you said you were blocked.
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 08:28:40 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 08:40:29 pm
Ugh, I seriously dislike games that go into this category. It makes me bitter about how most people play- not actually evaluating things past certain stages. Perhaps it's true I ended up dropping wine, but you know... you people don't seem to be able to hold your liquor at all anyway. God- I wonder whether it's normal over here for this to be the standard reaction. You people should play in 30 player rounds where blues are fake claiming every role of the rainbow- survivors are publically claiming mafia- and the mafia is trying to bus day 1. Those are hilarious. Maybe I should more in those places that use the Mandate rules... Heh, they're far more wild- and fun than this usually is.
For RNG: I'm saying I still suspect you on grounds somewhere around "I don't trust you." which as far as suspicions go, is a step down from "Hey, I haven't got a clue, so whatever." It means I don't actually believe you're Cabal at the moment, but I'd leave the doubt on you just in case.
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 08:42:37 pm
Or its just the Wifom...
Unvote Red, Vote RNG
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2009, 08:46:39 pm
Spoiler: PMs from PrinnyBaal (click to show/hide)
To PrinnyBaal:
It's less of the fake claim itself, it's that you claimed a role that isn't even in the game. That's what seems really strange to me...
General comment:
Personally, I'm not actually surprised that Org was role-blocked. I'm guessing that the cabal was thinking that since he doesn't have any combat bonuses, he's really not that much of a threat when blocked and they can focus on combat roles.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2009, 09:02:47 pm
Org, why Janus?
PrinnyBaal, stop whining. Were there any other PMs you've sent this game? If there were, please provide them. Also, since you've claimed subtle mage, were there any assists you provided differently from your stated action?
Janus, what were your thoughts while you were recieving these PMs from PrinnyBaal?
Also, JTF, you're remaining pretty ambivalent about this whole thing, Mr. I'll just call everything strange and move on.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2009, 09:12:46 pm
- An intricate scheme to get scum to reveal themselves around lylo
- A Cabal scheme to make such a crazy claim that we'd have to assume Tower
I'm leaning towards the former.
Also, JTF, you're remaining pretty ambivalent about this whole thing, Mr. I'll just call everything strange and move on.Meaning?
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 09:18:21 pm
You seem new; have you done any research? Research of course meaning looking at the prior two runs of this design, and reading up on the rules. If you haven't, then I really do suggest following that end. It'll help at least a little.
The other thing is that I wanted to ask you what you thought of RedWarrior. The person specifically, not anything else.
Well, I post failed. Wish I could just edit that, but that's not something one does in a mafia game... Anyway, yea, I noted 2 posts, so... not much. Still, I'm interested for a couple reasons. Anyone else you would like to note in particular yourself?
And I'm pretty sure I sent some to Exkirb, but I never click the save in outbox- so unless you want me to post his reply to one- I doubt that helps. Most of the stuff after that was just the stuff with Org.
Which is pretty light for PMing, to be honest. I swear I sent out more...
Also- yea, I shouldn't whine, but it's a natural state to enter when you're in a position that's your own fault, but also something that you kind of still stand by. I had reasons I expected such an insane gambit would be needed, that's why I screwed myself so hard. It's still my own fault though.
Still, if I can do anything, it's continue to try and prove my case, right? If I give up, that's worse than what I've already done.
And... I fake claimed a role that wasn't in the game because any role that was in the game would inevitably not attract mafians. Sort of a stupid reason in and of itself, but since I had already decided to go for what I knew best... I guess I just compounded my own mistakes.
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 09:20:40 pm
Alright, more questions.I have a feeling...
Org, why Janus?
PrinnyBaal, stop whining. Were there any other PMs you've sent this game? If there were, please provide them. Also, since you've claimed subtle mage, were there any assists you provided differently from your stated action?
Janus, what were your thoughts while you were recieving these PMs from PrinnyBaal?
Also, JTF, you're remaining pretty ambivalent about this whole thing, Mr. I'll just call everything strange and move on.
that tonights gonna be a good night
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2009, 09:31:07 pm
Also, JTF, you're remaining pretty ambivalent about this whole thing, Mr. I'll just call everything strange and move on.Meaning?
Strange is a common adjective in your posts this vote phase. This is strange, that is strange, he's strange. It looks like you're trying to keep your distance away from this conflict by simply calling everything strange, instead of things like townish or scummish. Are you still trying to make up your mind, or something? Because it looks a little suspicious.
And... I fake claimed a role that wasn't in the game because any role that was in the game would inevitably not attract mafians. Sort of a stupid reason in and of itself, but since I had already decided to go for what I knew best... I guess I just compounded my own mistakes.
But wouldn't the Cabal just go to their chat with your PM and confer amongst themselves and conclude that you're full of it, and then use your PMs as a pretty good reason to throw you into the ring?
This plan of yours was flawed from the start.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2009, 09:37:46 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2009, 09:39:51 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 06, 2009, 09:45:18 pm
Also- Jim, your second comment... seems to be equally likely. That's the problem. I screwed up and now it's either a Wine Cellar in here, or I'm an honest idiot. I realize I'm probably going to keep a lot of votes- I'd like people to think long and hard about who's voting me and why. There's not much else I can say...
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 09:49:04 pm
I never denied it had flaws. I will deny that it didn't produce something, because I did it, it honestly changed my view on a lot of people. Notably Org. I DID originally believe he was Justicar. It was his reaction that confused me. But seriously, I still have to try and figure out ways to indicate I'm Tower, right? I don't know what you people consider scum tells, but I can't exactly explain myself unless people actually try and make something here.At first I thought you were town...but your Pms did change that...
Also- Jim, your second comment... seems to be equally likely. That's the problem. I screwed up and now it's either a Wine Cellar in here, or I'm an honest idiot. I realize I'm probably going to keep a lot of votes- I'd like people to think long and hard about who's voting me and why. There's not much else I can say...
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 07, 2009, 01:26:00 pm
What do you make of Org? JTF? PrinnyBaal? Your votes are on two of them; care to explain your reasoning?
What do you make of the scum's performance so far? Their choice of kills, the actions they took, etc.
I guess that's all for now; I can't think of many questions to ask you.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 07, 2009, 04:59:17 pm
Org, you have claimed Justicar but have been 'roleblocked'. I'm under the impression that your fake claiming here, which is why I'm voting you.
Janus, I'm not sure about you. You are quite ambivalent compared to how you normally play, as (in Para at least) you usually post relative WoT dissecting everybody's actions and correctly discerning scum.
So, you two. I don't think that you are both scum but I'm willing to bet one of you is.
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 05:02:22 pm
Ok.Okay. I see.
Org, you have claimed Justicar but have been 'roleblocked'. I'm under the impression that your fake claiming here, which is why I'm voting you.
Janus, I'm not sure about you. You are quite ambivalent compared to how you normally play, as (in Para at least) you usually post relative WoT dissecting everybody's actions and correctly discerning scum.
So, you two. I don't think that you are both scum but I'm willing to bet one of you is.
I get roleblocked, but it cant be because I got roleblocked, it has to be because Im faking.
Unvote RNG, Vote Kashykk. Now here is why. Janus is scum, maybe. Kashykk is scum, probably, and Prinny is scum. Kash goes, get scum with Justicar. JUSTICAR LOSES. Oh lolz gaiz he was teellings the truff I not mean too doo dat. LOLZ
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2009, 05:09:18 pm
Frelock : PrinnyBaal
JanusTwoFace : Kashyyk, RedWarrior0
Kashyyk : Org
Org : Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
Check your votes. Org, you in particular, since you had some fairly ambiguous 'unvotes' in there. If anything is wrong, let me know.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 07, 2009, 05:09:58 pm
Could you explain it in proper English? Then I might be able to unvote you.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 07, 2009, 05:14:29 pm
Org: Could be scum. We need Halmie to investigate him and figure out if he really is a Justicar. If not, he should battle Prinny in the ring. (PPE: And the OMGUS didn't help)
Janus: Not much to say right now. Hasn't posted any responses he gave to the PMs Prinny sent, which could be useful.
Scum: Well, they got lucky with getting a subtle mage.
The kills: In post 123, Janus voted for both Pandar and Neruz. May be a coincidence, maybe not.
Also, just out of curiosity: Anybody have reason Halmie isn't scum?
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 05:22:41 pm
The Glowing Tally BoardSorry. Im also voting Prinny.
Frelock : PrinnyBaal
JanusTwoFace : Kashyyk, RedWarrior0
Kashyyk : Org
Org : Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
Check your votes. Org, you in particular, since you had some fairly ambiguous 'unvotes' in there. If anything is wrong, let me know.
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 05:23:25 pm
I really don't understand that at all.You are scum, along with Prinny and maybe Janus.
Could you explain it in proper English? Then I might be able to unvote you.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 07, 2009, 05:25:06 pm
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 05:33:03 pm
Right, so why would I vote for Janus and make it possible for him to be thrown in the ring?He would win
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 07, 2009, 06:02:36 pm
But in general: Guys, I'm not shoving things down your throats, I'm trying to be polite and get people to understand that yes, I made a ridiculously stupid mistake trying to do that claim. Now, I understand that there's not really anything I can do to deny that- and that seems to be the problem for me. Personally, given that- it's going to be hard enough for me to win...
Ugh, it's sort of funny, I made the subtle mage claim. ((I have not assisted differently, in case I did not say that before.)) and that's not going to help either. I guess in the long run I'm going to end up screwed, and betting on luck. Would have much preferred not running into a lylo run with the standard townie/scum set-ups which are basically guaranteed town fail. -_-'
Sigh...
Again, if there's anything I can explain that might help my case, go ahead and ask me. Doubt there's anything I can bring up off the top of my head.
Also: *Chuckles at how many votes he has*
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 08:59:34 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 08, 2009, 07:11:01 am
I'll comment one last time on something though:
You know, I probably should've given up- just done something sort of mean here since currently... I'm mostly running my own face into the ground trying to "fix" the problem of how I'll inevitably be viewed after such a claim but... I guess the main reason I'm still trying is what I'm used to. Where I ended up learning the forum style... Hah. Rule. Number. 1. I will do everything in my power...
Guess- my best isn't what I thought it was. Should of lurked- but even a "noob" ((For all the derision such a term personally carries)) like me can recognize that just giving up... is abandoning your team, and any hope of winning, whatsoever. So- here I go, to fight in the arena- with at least half the assists stacked against me, probably more if my understanding of how this's gonna go shapes up.
And you know. I'm still going to bet on me winning. Cause anything else is giving up.
Sorry to have screwed you guys- and sorry to do this in here- but I figured, I may as well leave myself a little pep-talk. Hahaha- this's going to be entertaining, guess this is how it feels to end up being thrown- willingly or not, and accepting you're going into the arena? Alright.
^_^
Post by: Mephansteras on December 08, 2009, 11:14:53 am
Post by: Leafsnail on December 08, 2009, 11:30:13 am
I'd just like to say that, from experience in the last round, we probably won't reach lylo when the scum are /2 - 1 of us. In fact, I dare say we could be at lylo already. With that in mind, we should be very, very careful with who we put into the ring today.
With that in mind... Org, what the heck are you doing? You're bandwagonning on Prinny with what seem to be pathetic arguments. I haven't looked back at the supposedly incontrovertible evidence against him, but you seem to be randomly kicking someone while their down. I'm also concerned by the fact that 6 people are on him, and I'd like explanations from all those who joined the bandwagon late as to why they are voting him. I'll start on RedWarrior, who voted him with very little explanation.
I'm not sure if it's a bandwagon or a bus, but either way, something here really doesn't seem right.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 08, 2009, 12:03:17 pm
Frelock : PrinnyBaal
JanusTwoFace : Kashyyk, RedWarrior0
Kashyyk : Org
Org : Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal, Leafsnail
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Org, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
RedWarrior0 : Leafsnail
Reminder, vote phase ends at ~5pm Pacific Today
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 08, 2009, 03:25:12 pm
Org: Could be scum. We need Halmie to investigate him and figure out if he really is a Justicar. If not, he should battle Prinny in the ring. (PPE: And the OMGUS didn't help)
If you are the Justicar, we should find out soon enough.
I'm going to have to cast a vote on JTF. His infrequent postings seem to indicate to me that he's trying to sail by unscrutinized and he's yet to cast a vote for anybody. That, combined with his general ambivalence about everything strike me as scum who's trying to tip-toe through this vote phase.
Post by: Org on December 08, 2009, 04:35:11 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 08, 2009, 04:50:37 pm
Unvote Kashyyk, VoteJanus Two Face? Org, are you at least gonna answer my question?
Post by: Org on December 08, 2009, 04:52:14 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 08, 2009, 04:54:01 pm
Post by: Org on December 08, 2009, 04:55:18 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 08, 2009, 05:42:10 pm
Spoiler: Old scummitude list (click to show/hide)
If you are a scum(which you are) you will get assisted by the secret guyBut Prinny is the secret guy methinks?
Janus, I'm not sure about you. You are quite ambivalent compared to how you normally play, as (in Para at least) you usually post relative WoT dissecting everybody's actions and correctly discerning scum.Not this time around... :P
Janus: Not much to say right now. Hasn't posted any responses he gave to the PMs Prinny sent, which could be useful.I don't generally click the save outgoing messages button, but here's what I do have:
Spoiler: Messages I sent to PrinnyBaal (click to show/hide)
I'm not sure about you, although you haven't been giving off any overtly obvious scum tells, so we'll go with that for now.Also, just out of curiosity: Anybody have reason Halmie isn't scum?Not really. More of a hope that we had an Archivist on our side. I'm thinking that he may be scum, especially if PrinnyBaal flips scum.
You seem somewhat like a day 1 webadict here... Throwing out claims without any reasoning (even if you have it, you don't post it).I really don't understand that at all.You are scum, along with Prinny and maybe Janus.
Could you explain it in proper English? Then I might be able to unvote you.
Spoiler: New scummitude list (click to show/hide)
PrinnyBaal seems rather scummy at this point, but he has plenty of votes already. That being said, vote Halmie and vote Org as the next scummiest thus far.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 08, 2009, 05:51:30 pm
Frelock : PrinnyBaal
Halmie : JanusTwoFace
JanusTwoFace : Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, RedWarrior0
Org : JanusTwoFace, Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal, Leafsnail
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Org, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
RedWarrior0 : Leafsnail
Vote Phase ends in ~2 hours
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 08, 2009, 05:56:25 pm
@Meph: What happens if there's a tie for second?
Post by: Leafsnail on December 08, 2009, 05:58:49 pm
Janus, why haven't you voted and posted your suspicions until prompted by votes against you? Indeed, your vote on Org seems self defensive and your vote on Halmie is random, and applying very little pressure. Indeed, the only reason is "Rolecop would be bad as mafia! OMG!" and there isn't much Halmie can do to reply to that.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 08, 2009, 06:13:56 pm
@Meph: What happens if there's a tie for second?He can confirm this but IIRC, he'll choose randomly amongst any ties.
Janus, why haven't you voted and posted your suspicions until prompted by votes against you? Indeed, your vote on Org seems self defensive and your vote on Halmie is random, and applying very little pressure. Indeed, the only reason is "Rolecop would be bad as mafia! OMG!" and there isn't much Halmie can do to reply to that.I did post my suspicions, back here (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg905206#msg905206). The new post was just to update those suspicions. Also, sick.
The vote against Halmie is pased partially on role, yes. As has been mentioned, there's a lot of power on the Tower side already, with an unknown amount on the Cabal side.
The other reason was the 'wth' post right after the PrinnyBaal thing came up. I've seen something similiar before on scum teams. (Heck, I've done something similiar before as scum) Basically, one of the scum does something without clearing it with their scummates and then tries to distance themself as things start to go wrong.
And Org is partially a defense vote and partially a 'not helpful' vote. He's not giving much reasoning behind his votes and flipping back and forth rather overmuch. And yes, I am trying to keep myself out of the ring as well. I don't see any harm in that though.
So far as taking so long to vote... Read any game I've played. I almost always take a while to vote. Although, I admit that I got a little fried yesterday and thought the day lasted until Wednesday. Oops.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 08, 2009, 06:43:30 pm
Christ... why would you need to send out so many pms to everyone?
That's a scum tell... how? Ever heard of something called psychology? Wanna know how I tend to use it? By trying to ask questions directly. Now; let's say I ask a question in the thread- the psychology on that is different than the psychology of one posted in PM. People react differently to both. Both can be used to get basic instincts going in the right directions.
I use PMs often. I don't really know what to say beyond that.
Post by: Org on December 08, 2009, 06:44:24 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 08, 2009, 08:07:56 pm
Frelock : PrinnyBaal
Halmie : JanusTwoFace
JanusTwoFace : Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, RedWarrior0
Org : JanusTwoFace, Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Org, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
RedWarrior0 : Leafsnail
I present to you our next duelists, JanusTwoFace and PrinnyBaal!
Set-up phase has started and will go until ~5pm Pacific Thursday.
Duelists, send me your choice of attacking elements
Side-actions, please send me your decisions.
Everyone else, please state your assists.
Post by: Org on December 08, 2009, 08:10:57 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 08, 2009, 08:15:09 pm
Post by: Org on December 08, 2009, 08:21:04 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 09, 2009, 12:27:51 am
Anyways, I would prefer an assist or two. I don't particularly want to end up in the hospital ward. And personally, I think that PrinnyBaal is much more likely to be scum than me.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 09, 2009, 12:35:57 am
And personally, I think that PrinnyBaal is much more likely to be scum than me.You don't know if you're scum or not?
...
I was going to assist you, but now I'm not so sure...
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 09, 2009, 12:39:06 am
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 09, 2009, 02:56:46 am
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 09, 2009, 06:48:37 am
Anyway- a complete lack of Assists thus far actually scares me more- ((Although it hasn't been -that- long yet.)) if the mafia doesn't care to assist at all- it probably means they've gotten two townies in- meaning it's a 0 chance for victory. As always- assume it isn't, or there's no point to what you're doing, but all that... Yea.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 09, 2009, 10:37:45 am
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 09, 2009, 01:49:45 pm
If you think I'm town and he's scum, then I wish you would assist me. There's a chance, but not a very good one that I can beat a Cabal Mage in a straight up fight without any assists.
If you think you have two scum in here, well, make your own decision. I of course think you should assist me anyways though.
Also, this:
The first 2 duals also have suspected subtle mage assists involved, which you claimed only after you found there was a rolecop.
PrinnyBaal, did you have anything to do with the last two battles that you aren't telling us about?
Post by: Leafsnail on December 09, 2009, 03:13:07 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 09, 2009, 03:29:55 pm
Better case, if Prinny is scum and you assist me then we lose 1 and 1 leaving it at 5 vs 3 tomorrow.
Mod: Could you double check the player list in the OP? I think it got out of sync somehow. These are the players that participated in the last vote:
Spoiler: Current players? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Leafsnail on December 09, 2009, 03:31:23 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 09, 2009, 03:34:06 pm
In any case, there are 4 Cabal this time.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 09, 2009, 03:39:38 pm
What exactly do you think is off?
And, yes, there are 4 scum this game.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 09, 2009, 03:43:04 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 09, 2009, 03:46:10 pm
The list in the OP looks correct to me. ExKirby, MagmaDeath, Neruz, and Pandarsenic have all been eliminated. 2 from Duels and 2 from incapacitation due to side-actions.
Please ignore my earlier post. When I copied the OP list I accidentally cut the beginning off. It's actually correct. Thanks for keeping that up, by the way!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 09, 2009, 04:11:10 pm
I'm thinking of assisting Janus. Anybody other than Prinny object to it?
Are you asking for permission from the rest of us? If you think JTF is less suspicious than PB, then by all means, assist him. Just be prepared to be questioned about it.
For me, though, it's a choice between foolish newbie scummy vs. experienced lurker scummy. I'm leaning towards assisting PrinnyBaal, because foolish newbies can't help but be scummy no matter what they do, town or scum.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 09, 2009, 04:20:07 pm
@Jim: Prinny may be new for Bay 12, but not for forum mafia.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 09, 2009, 07:46:27 pm
PrinnyBaal, that's more WIFOM right there. Sending out random pms for "psychology" is a scumtell because townies can generally say what they like to the whole town without manipulating people behind the scenes.See- this is the problem. That's never how I've played in any other forum I've played at thus far.
The first 2 duals also have suspected subtle mage assists involved, which you claimed only after you found there was a rolecop.... And yet I hadn't been investigated- again, I'm trying to be forward now- and it's a scum tell apparently. If I try to get a feel for people through PMs where it's easier to chat directly, it's a scum tell apparently. I realize this is whining again- but honestly, this problem is that I'm clearly used to a completely different set of scum tell, which leads inevitably to a completely different style. Perhaps hopping between forum mafias is a bad idea?
PrinnyBaal, did you have anything to do with the last two battles that you aren't telling us about?I did not do any different assists then what I posted publically. Alas- there's no way of proving that, so I don't exactly suggest trying to do psychology on that one.
And again- the one thing I want to stress above the rest is- Remember we were at LYLO at 2 MLs- that's the main reason I ended up doing something so... retarded.
>_< Ugh. I hate whatever I type- I'll just post this stupid thing.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 09, 2009, 09:55:02 pm
And again- the one thing I want to stress above the rest is- Remember we were at LYLO at 2 MLs- that's the main reason I ended up doing something so... retarded.
The LyLo argument made more sense when there were 4 scum out of 9 players, but there are in fact still 10 players alive (I made the same mistake earlier). Even in the worst case scenario, there would be 4 scum versus 4 town tomorrow, which is not enough to actually control the lynch directly. Since ties are decided randomly, the scum still have to manipulate the vote for one more day.
So we still have control of the vote, especially if we manage to send some scum off to the hospital.
That being said, I ran the simulations. Turns out, it's actually more of an advantage if you assist twice in the same stat rather than boosting multiple areas.
In attack for example, it allows me to punch through their defense and deal more damage or with double defense I would basically take no damage.
Long story short, since I already have one defense boost, if anyone feels like helping out, I wouldn't mind another... (Although I won't turn anything else away if that's what you'd prefer :P).
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 07:15:32 am
Ill No Assist for now
Post by: Halmie on December 10, 2009, 07:46:35 am
No Assist.
Yeah, I was planning on checking you. I have a feeling I'll die tonight though.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2009, 12:59:11 pm
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... And yet I hadn't been investigatedYes, but as soon as a rolecop exists the possibility of you being investigated suddenly appears again. Also, can you please reveal your actions? You're sortof at "L-1" here.
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If I try to get a feel for people through PMs where it's easier to chat directly, it's a scum tell apparently.Townies are generally ok with doing such things publicly. Sending out lots of different pms throws us off the scent when looking for tells on you.
Org, Halmie, why such quick no assists?
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 04:23:03 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2009, 04:27:22 pm
Set-up phase ends ~5pm Pacific Today (so, about 3.5 hours from now)
Please state any assists you wish to make before that time.
Any of you with side-actions, please PM them to me if you have not yet done so.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2009, 04:51:18 pm
@Jim: Prinny may be new for Bay 12, but not for forum mafia.
That changes things if he's not a newbie.
No assist then. Both of them are suspicious; might as well let them fight it out and see what turns up.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2009, 05:22:35 pm
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Because, I have no idea if either are actually townies! Im feeling that Janus might be a townie, because he seems less scummish than Prinny. Just sayin.So why are you no assisting, Org? Trying to draw attention away from yourself?
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 05:23:46 pm
So you are saying I should ASSIST SCUM?
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2009, 05:24:10 pm
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 05:25:00 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2009, 05:27:02 pm
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 05:32:26 pm
Well, yes thats true. No, I want prinny too die. Assist Janus with Speed
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2009, 05:37:06 pm
Well, yes thats true. No, I want prinny too die. Assist Janus with SpeedYou still need an element.
And I agree with Leafsnail or at least what I think Leafsnail is getting at. I think at this point that you should assist whichever player is less scummy. If you have two scum in the ring, no harm done either way. If you have two townies in the ring, it sucks, but you might as well keep the townier one. If you have one of each the less scummy one is (hopefully) town.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2009, 05:41:18 pm
Hmmm...
Well, yes thats true. No, I want prinny too die. Assist Janus with Speed
You need to tell me what element you're assisting with.
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 06:07:27 pm
More seriously, Air.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2009, 07:07:34 pm
RedWarrior0 inscribes Cyan runes of Earth in the air above JanusTwoFace to give him a Defense Boost
Set-up phase ends in 1 hour
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 08:24:35 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2009, 08:25:14 pm
@Org: I got it.
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 08:26:14 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2009, 08:30:47 pm
I'm not sure if that's quite enough to overcome a Cabal mage. We'll see...
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 08:31:29 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 10, 2009, 08:35:54 pm
*Flips his one chip*
The most beautiful thing is that winning a match in these circumstances is scummy if my interpretation of basic probability is correct. Something rather entertaining on it's own. Well~ If I had seen someone else win in the same, I'd probably suspect the same to be honest.
Still~ I kind of want to go out with a cliche one-liner if I must. Guess I better get to work coming up with one.
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2009, 08:38:12 pm
Cabal with Assist beats Cabal no assist.This is true. With the assists I have I would have (roughly) a 72% chance of winning against another Cabal mage (if we both choose off elements).
However, I am not. Assuming again that the off elements are chosen, I do have a slight edge (58%) with the assists, but not enough to bet my life on IMO (not that I have a choice).
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 11, 2009, 11:59:14 am
Cabal with Assist beats Cabal no assist.This is true. With the assists I have I would have (roughly) a 72% chance of winning against another Cabal mage (if we both choose off elements).
However, I am not. Assuming again that the off elements are chosen, I do have a slight edge (58%) with the assists, but not enough to bet my life on IMO (not that I have a choice).
Why on earth do you keep referring to yourself as Cabal?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 11, 2009, 12:40:41 pm
The two duelists walk out into the arena, JanusTwoFace from the north and PrinnyBaal from the south.
JanusTwoFace walks upon a road of blue runes, which explode into fire behind him. He casually leans on his quarterstaff when he gets to his starting circle.
PrinnyBaal steps lightly to his spot and pulls out a slim sword. Waving it in the air he causes shimmering purple runes to dance in the air around him, trailing flames and bursting into light and sparks as they fly.
At the signal from the Marshal the purple mage rushes forward, slashing the blade as he goes. At each slash of the blade a purple rune flies forward to explode against Janus's shields. The blue runes flare and crackle, and a few fail. The blue mage staggers backwards as a burst of hot air and fire washes over him. Batting at the flames along his robe he sends out a quick burst of fire, but they wash harmlessly over the purple mage's shields.
A quick follow-up stab with his staff sends a gout of flame washing over his opponent. PrinnyBaal ducks onto the ground and rolls, extinguishing the fires that sprung up on his cloak. He stabs his sword at Janus, and purple flames burst from the ground at the blue mage's feet.
Janus dances back quickly, raising an arm against the heat. He slashes twice with his staff, the first slash sending out a crescent of blue flame that causes the purple mage to jump quickly to the side to avoid. The second slash bring up a gout of fire from the spot PrinnyBaal moved to, which engulfs the purple mage in flames. PrinnyBaal vanishes for a moment, and appears a few steps ahead with only his cloak in flames. He slides his blade down the length of the cloak and sends the blue flames spinning back at their caster, but Janus bats them side with his rune-sheathed staff.
The purple mage sprints forward, throwing up a curtain of light and flame between himself and JanusTwoFace. Blinded by the display, the Janus's answering crescents of flame skim harmlessly through the air.
Then, from through the shimmering curtain, PrinnyBaal appears next to JanusTwoFace. Sword and staff clash in blinding sparks of purple and blue as the two mages duel. PrinnyBaal seems to dance and flicker, his form vanishing and reappearing around the blue mage as he strikes blow after blow against his opponent. Robes slashed in several places JanusTwoFace strikes back, but the purple mage vanishes in a flash of light and the flaming blue staff passes through nothing but air.
Janus then spins his staff through the air, sending a wide circle of blue flames arcing out through the arena. PrinnyBaal appears a few feet away, his sword held near his face as his runes flare to life around him. He sends and answering blast of scalding air at the blue mage, but it explodes in a shower of purple sparks when it hits the circle of flame.
The purple mage then ducks low, and scrapes his blade against the floor. Purple sparks spring up in its wake and lance towards the blue mage who staggers back from the assault. Janus sends another wave of blue fire out, but it passes harmlessly over the head of his crouching opponent.
Prinny springs forward again, his form bending and shifting in the hot air. Purple flames trail the blade of his sword as he stabs it forward, sparks flying as Janus bats it aside. A quick twist of the blade and it slides along Janus' arm as Prinny brings it back. Janus grimaces in pain, but spins his staff around to slam the purple mage in the stomach.
Blade and staff collide again as Prinny blocks the follow-up swing, and a wave of purple flames cascades off the blade and over Janus as the Prinny steps back with a flourish. As the blue mage covers his face with his arm, the swordsmage lunges forward, only to meet the glowing blue staff head on. The weapons lock for a moment, sparks flying, before JanusTwoFace unleashes a torrent of blows. A shimmering wave of blue and purple surround the two and PrinnyBaal furiously blocks blow after blow, finally he steps back and brings a wall of purple flame up between the two, wincing as he clenches and opens a singed hand.
You see the wall of flames part and flash of purple light, and the next moment you see JanusTwoFace crumple forward and fall off of Prinny's blade. The purple mage holds that pose for a moment, and then sheathes the blade with a flourish and vanishes.
The healers quickly run forward and levitate the blue mage off the field.
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
JanusTwoFace, Warior Mage of Earth has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Duel 3 has concluded. Voting for Duel 4 starts now, and will go until ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Post by: Leafsnail on December 11, 2009, 01:03:35 pm
And... hmm, looks like 4 scum v 5 townies. We can win this yet.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 11, 2009, 01:23:27 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 11, 2009, 03:34:25 pm
Also, someone is a Nullifier or whatever stops assists. My assist had no effect.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 11, 2009, 04:38:22 pm
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 04:51:21 pm
Yeah, Prinny dies.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 11, 2009, 06:12:26 pm
As for the return: because- you know. this is the classic reaction.
Anyway, first: Leaf, where do you get off with calling that "ease". Did you see how much effort I had to put into that? Last I checked... it looked like I ended up winning the death of a thousand nicks- not just shattering my opponent's defenses time and again. Second, Fire vs Earth is hardly qualified as the wrong element. Earth vs Earth is the wrong element. Fire vs Earth is A standard wizzie duel. Although now I'm not sure whether to drop something I know is going to be pointless but...
If you're asking about dropping the wrong element: Look at my opponent. He used fire. Did anyone even -pay- attention to that RP post? Phoenix? Yea? I mean, I was chuckling too when there was the comment on two fire mages dueling. Oh, and there's your flame duel.
As for Warrior Mage, that just means he has more life- not higher base stats, a distinction... quite independent in this situation.
Next- RedWarrior saying his assists were stopped means that he also didn't get his Earth Element super defense boost- and got an air element speed boost. Meaning net boost? 1 point after air. He didn't have that spectacular of a boost at all dood.
And- <3s to you Org. Keep it up.
Oh also- would've been funny if I had actually tried to stand by my illusionist claim, alas, fluff does not = role. Still, I had decided I was playing the illusionist a while back. Guess I'll be going in again- Didn't expect that after I sat up against a double boosted opponent. Still, it's no surprise I'm going to wind up in the arena again. I do however stand by the fact that I'm not Cabal.
Well, last is that you guys need to get this one right. Although the idea that equal scum and townie doesn't mean scum control is rather backwards, the idea is nice. More so however, I'm interested in the lack of a death. If the entire tower is nothing but roles, what does that mean for the Cabal? Just saying.
Anyway- for now, I'll vanish and do my own things. I'll show up for the next Match that you fools will inevitably throw me into.
((My my, honestly, I'm not sure whether my mood is good or bad after that one. I guess... I'll just do whatever.))
Post by: Leafsnail on December 11, 2009, 06:19:09 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 11, 2009, 06:37:46 pm
Uh... on the other hand, Prinny, he was a War Mage. That woulda given him an innate +2 attack boost in addition to his defensive boost. Also, Prinny, have you told us what assists you've made in previous duals?... ... ...
Wai-
It says Warrior Mage. Quite clearly. In the opening post too. That's +10 health for a role. Warrior mage.
Also- RedWarrior SAID HE DIDN'T GET TO BOOST. That means he had no defensive boost. He only had an air boost, which was reduced because he was earth!
And yes. I've said it at least 2 times now- once before you subbed in and again here:
PrinnyBaal, did you have anything to do with the last two battles that you aren't telling us about?I did not do any different assists then what I posted publically. Alas- there's no way of proving that, so I don't exactly suggest trying to do psychology on that one.
Have you read any of these posts starting with the Phase Change?
Post by: Leafsnail on December 11, 2009, 06:39:48 pm
And sortof skipped over the claim, sorry.
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 06:40:19 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 11, 2009, 06:52:46 pm
Wait... the Warrior Mage would be better than a War Mage.
And sortof skipped over the claim, sorry.
First up, care to explain what exactly you mean by the Warrior Mage being better? The difference is a bunch of life, not changing the basic math, just how many iterations the random combat exchanges run for. Given that, the match was already pretty balanced in all truth.
Second, as much as I hate to suggest this:
Since we're still waiting for a couple people- how about we have a chat Org? I was wondering if we could go back over all your targets, and why you chose them? Oh, and yes- that includes who you targeted when you say you were blocked. For instance, yet again, you failed to mention that. Care to mention who you were targeting? It's only polite. And beyond that, you probably have some thoughts, don't you? Care to go for actual discussion?
If I was wrong about LYLO yesterday, there's no way in heaven and hell I'm going to be wrong about it today. Tower needs to talk. Every 1 sentence post, every post that just agrees with existing sentiments and refuses to expand- to put up any thought at all is a post that has no place here.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 11, 2009, 07:30:29 pm
If you can't say stuff openly in here, then you're scum.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 11, 2009, 07:33:26 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 11, 2009, 07:36:36 pm
Since we're still waiting for a couple people- how about we have a chat Org?
Here, and a little after that. It looked to me like you were planning on sending out some more PMs.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 11, 2009, 07:39:51 pm
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 07:48:08 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 11, 2009, 07:56:39 pm
Oh, alright-Since we're still waiting for a couple people- how about we have a chat Org?
Here, and a little after that. It looked to me like you were planning on sending out some more PMs.
No, I wasn't sending out PMs. I was saying that we needed to talk in general, and I was using Org as the starting point for attempting said action.
And I still want to confirm who Org was planning on targetting, as he was rather bad at declaring who he was investigating last time he got blocked. Usually, once you've been outted, you tend to be a bit more... willing to post these things? I dunno.
Post by: Halmie on December 11, 2009, 08:06:44 pm
I got some flavor text with it about me being more clumsy than usual but that may just be becuase I forgot to ask until the last possible second. Or almost losing a few rounds ago.
Prinny you did seem on top of the fight for most of it. And you would have to been hitting way harder than him.
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 08:08:14 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 11, 2009, 08:35:35 pm
Prinny, I hate to jump on the wagon, but you need to die. You are Cabal.
Also, someone is a Nullifier or whatever stops assists. My assist had no effect.
Hmm... I don't think anyone has been nullified before, have they? That probably means that Prinny is scum, and they were defending one of their own.
It says Warrior Mage. Quite clearly. In the opening post too. That's +10 health for a role. Warrior mage.+10 health is still a pretty big boost. That means they can hold on 50% longer. The fact that you were able to take out 30 health when you only had 20 is very odd indeed...
Also- RedWarrior SAID HE DIDN'T GET TO BOOST. That means he had no defensive boost. He only had an air boost, which was reduced because he was earth!
And yes. I've said it at least 2 times now- once before you subbed in and again here:
I just noticed something else, too. There was no incapacitation this round. That means that town still had the majority, if only barely. We'll have to make the most of this round... and hopefully get two Cabal in the ring, so nullifiers can't help them. I strongly believe that Prinny is one, because the circumstances of his victory just seem too odd for him to be a normal townie.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 11, 2009, 08:36:13 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 11, 2009, 08:47:52 pm
Also, there are two possibilities for scum, both of which leave one role unknown and both of which have a Subtle Mage and Nullifier (or whatever)
The possibilities:
Roleblocker
Unknown
Or
Halmie (Archivist)
Org (Unknown)
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 11, 2009, 08:57:13 pm
It's a conditional, but it helps.
Also people need to re...
... You know, screw it. I'm going to be thrown in there anyway. Go ahead and chat yourselves. I give up on trying to help you idiots figure anything out. Chances are I'm not even dealing with the town. I'm willing to bet only the Cabal is active anymore. It would be a classic, eh?
I'll just hope I kill whoever you throw me in there with, and that they're Cabal.
Don't expect me to bother chatting though- not until the games over and I get to complain about friggin tunnel vision.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 11, 2009, 10:16:04 pm
And I nominate Org and Halmie.
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 10:17:44 pm
Yes. I realize that. Which is why I put the second possibility has them both scum.???
And I nominate Org and Halmie.
I understand. Thanks for giving me second scum, Reddy.
Post by: Halmie on December 12, 2009, 01:04:56 am
I am a newb and Org is one of the most hated people around. We together don't have the experience to pull this off.
BRB.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 12, 2009, 06:09:06 am
Yes. I realize that. Which is why I put the second possibility has them both scum.RedWarrior, this looks very much like a scum ploy to put two powerful roles in the ring. Perhaps you're getting tired of roleblocking Org?
And I nominate Org and Halmie.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 12, 2009, 09:57:45 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2009, 12:24:39 pm
Frelock : Org
Halmie : RedWarrior0
Neruz : RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal, RandomNumberGenerator, Leafsnail
RedWarrior0 : Halmie, Kashyyk, Org, Leafsnail
Remember, Vote phase ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Post by: Leafsnail on December 12, 2009, 02:15:59 pm
I hate Bandwagonning! But I'll join in this time, RedwarriorFoS. This looks like a bus, to me.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 12, 2009, 02:53:39 pm
Redwarrior voted for Org, not Neruz.
Also Leafsnail, How is it a bus?
Post by: Leafsnail on December 12, 2009, 04:01:47 pm
Post by: Org on December 12, 2009, 05:25:40 pm
No you're trying to get the justicar and the archivist in the ring arn't you RedWarrior?not anymore. SOmewhat
I am a newb and Org is one of the most hated people around. We together don't have the experience to pull this off.
BRB.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2009, 06:41:37 pm
Here's how I propose we proceed: I don't really think RedWarrior0 is scum, but I'm pretty damn sure that PrinnyBaal is. We throw both of them into the ring, we then assist the hell out out of RedWarrior0, and make sure that PrinnyBaal is executed. We trade kills with the Cabal, and end up 4/3 for the next duel. We then have to do roughly the same thing.
The best case scenario would be that we get two scum in the ring, but either way, we can still only get rid of one Cabal member at a time. We're at lylo, basically, so we need to start making certain that scum die instead of letting the duel sort who comes out alive.
In that vein, RedWarrior0.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2009, 06:57:34 pm
Frelock : Org
Halmie : RedWarrior0
Org : RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal, RandomNumberGenerator, Leafsnail
RedWarrior0 : Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, Leafsnail
Thanks, Kashyyk.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 12, 2009, 07:51:36 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2009, 09:18:31 pm
Because it greatly simplifies getting rid of the Cabal. By doing this, we can reduce the combat and all its randomness to a simple lynch.
If we throw two suspected Cabal into the ring, we have to wonder whether or not both of them are actually Cabal, and we have to argue about whether or not we want to assist anybody and who we want to throw our assists behind. Suppose that one of them is Tower and the other Cabal; if we do nothing like we've been doing, then the Cabal's inherent bonuses will probably make them win the duel, and we're in a worse position then when we started.
If we throw somebody we think is Tower and somebody we think is Cabal into the ring, then there's no fuss about who we should or should not assist. We'll assist the Tower wizard, the wizard we think is Cabal will be eliminated, and because we're all stacking our assists on one side, the Cabal can't pull any funny business like they did with the last duel.
This way, we don't wonder why our Tower pick won the match; he won because of all the assists, not because of luck or a Cabal boost. We can then return to regular scumhunting instead of pondering why somebody narrowly won a match when they used the wrong element, won speed tossups, etc. etc. etc.
RedWarrior0 is voting for both the claimed investigators. That's a pretty Tower looking move, like I explained before, and there's certainly a bandwagon forming up against him, which makes me believe that the scum are in on the bandwagon on him. This, to me, makes me think that he's Tower, more than anybody else in this game right now, so he'd be an excellent choice to be our executioner.
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 13, 2009, 06:57:16 am
The Glowing Tally Board
Frelock : Org
Halmie : RedWarrior0
Org : RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal, RandomNumberGenerator, Leafsnail
RedWarrior0 : Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, Leafsnail
Thanks, Kashyyk.
<_< Where exactly did I vote for myself? And in secondary...
Vote: Org, Halmie
I'm pretty sure Org is Cabal, if Org is Cabal... well, Halmie can't be townie. Naturally, this is just about the single most likely action to prevent either of them from being thrown into the ring due to the standard problems I'm up against, but hey! When I die, at least I can say I voted for them.
And... I'd reply to Jim, but... it's not worth it.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 13, 2009, 07:00:56 am
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 13, 2009, 07:26:38 am
... Why do I bother. You can figure it out on your own if you guys care.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 13, 2009, 08:08:10 am
Because I doubt that Org is actually the Justicar, and while I didn't suspect Halmie of being Cabal- this made me suspect him because by extension if Org is Cabal, Halmie has to either have been lying, or Cabal, and while I didn't feel that Halmie is Cabal by his actions...But why is it that way round and not "I thought Halmie was town so now I think Org is the justicar"? I mean, you're risking what could be our two most valuable roles on the basis of an unexplained "doubt"?
... Why do I bother. You can figure it out on your own if you guys care.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 13, 2009, 12:00:58 pm
Because I doubt that Org is actually the Justicar, and while I didn't suspect Halmie of being Cabal- this made me suspect him because by extension if Org is Cabal, Halmie has to either have been lying, or Cabal, and while I didn't feel that Halmie is Cabal by his actions...But why is it that way round and not "I thought Halmie was town so now I think Org is the justicar"? I mean, you're risking what could be our two most valuable roles on the basis of an unexplained "doubt"?
... Why do I bother. You can figure it out on your own if you guys care.
Hey, he voted for me twice at the beginning of the game on nothing but a hunch. Didn't even ask questions. Part of the reason I suspect Prinny as scum is just that; he doesn't scum hunt, but still votes people into the ring with no basis.
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 12:57:47 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 13, 2009, 06:05:10 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 13, 2009, 06:11:04 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 14, 2009, 12:59:38 pm
Leafsnail, you currently have 3 votes listed (Frelock, PrinnyBaal, and RedWarrio0), please clarify who you want your votes on.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 14, 2009, 01:03:22 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 14, 2009, 01:12:05 pm
Frelock : Org
Halmie : PrinnyBaal, RedWarrior0
Org : PrinnyBaal, RedWarrior0
PrinnyBaal : Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, RandomNumberGenerator, Leafsnail
RedWarrior0 : Halmie, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, Leafsnail
Reminder, vote phase ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Post by: Mephansteras on December 15, 2009, 01:46:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 15, 2009, 01:54:46 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 15, 2009, 02:14:51 pm
Well, I'd like more people to talk. Strange as it may sound coming from me, but we need it!I guess I'll start. Kashyyk, why are you suggesting that we have more discussion while making no attempt to provoke any?
Post by: Kashyyk on December 15, 2009, 02:29:27 pm
The 'What color of sock are you wearing?' type of question is not needed right now.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 15, 2009, 02:41:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 15, 2009, 04:26:11 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 15, 2009, 04:38:27 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 15, 2009, 09:49:20 pm
Set-up phase will go until ~5pm Pacific Thursday
Post by: Leafsnail on December 16, 2009, 10:27:50 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 16, 2009, 11:14:26 am
Post by: Frelock on December 16, 2009, 12:39:17 pm
You're basing it purely off of roles? In that case, they'd both claim guardian or something else that would be essentially helpful to the town. No, I think it's probably best if we assist the one we think is more likely to be town.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 16, 2009, 03:08:52 pm
Well, I think we should work out what role they both have, and which is most detrimental for the town. Then we assist the hell out of the other one to make sure we get rid of them.Wait... you mean "The more powerful one so we can eliminate him now"? I'm voting you tomorrow, Kashyyk.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 16, 2009, 04:40:51 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 16, 2009, 04:42:25 pm
Although Prinny has already claimed subtle, so I guess we just want a claim from RedWarrior.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 16, 2009, 07:52:19 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 16, 2009, 07:52:51 pm
Set-up Phase will go until ~5pm Pacific Thursday.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 17, 2009, 11:28:10 am
You know what? I think we should assist Prinny. I think RedWarrior is cabal, and if we leave this much longer it will probably be impossible to kill him.
Post by: Frelock on December 17, 2009, 12:40:11 pm
Post by: Org on December 17, 2009, 04:14:14 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 17, 2009, 04:17:44 pm
Reminder: Set-up phase ends at ~5pm Pacific Today. You have about 3 1/2 hours to get in any assists and actions before I close the set-up phase.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 17, 2009, 04:58:35 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 17, 2009, 04:59:45 pm
I'm gonna assist PrinnyBaal with attack. This should at least test RedWarrior's claim, I guess.
What Element?
Post by: Leafsnail on December 17, 2009, 05:00:31 pm
Fire.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 17, 2009, 05:00:57 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 17, 2009, 08:11:23 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 17, 2009, 09:30:13 pm
Jim Groovester inscribes Beige runes of Earth in the air above RedWarrior0 to give him a Defense Boost
Leafsnail inscribes Blue runes of Fire in the air above PrinnyBaal to give him an Attack Boost
RandomNumberGenerator inscribes Purple runes of Water in the air above RedWarrior0 to give him additional Healing
Set-up phase is now closed. I will have the duel up as soon as I have a chance to do the write-ups.
Post by: Org on December 17, 2009, 09:47:00 pm
FOS RNG AND JIMMYBOY
Post by: Halmie on December 17, 2009, 10:11:00 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 02:43:56 am
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 12:21:47 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 18, 2009, 12:36:44 pm
Now, given this information, why does it seem odd that I assisted RedWarrior0 over Prinny?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 18, 2009, 03:50:38 pm
The doors to the North and South of the Arena open.
PrinnyBaal appears in his starting circle with a flash and raises his sword. Sweeping it around him you see purple runes appear on the ground throughout the arena. With a grinding sound shiny pillars of silvery metal rise up out of the arena floor.
From the North comes RedWarrior0. His deep red robes billowing out around him as he strides purposefully to his starting circle. He brandishes his staff, and a bright cyan light flares from the tip. Soon sharp spears of obsidian float in the air around him.
At the signal from the Marshal PrinnyBaal makes a slashing motion with his sword and steps behind one of the metal pillars. RedWarrior0 turns and thrusts his staff at a shambling mound of dirt that rises up next to him, exploding it in a cloud of dust. He then motions at the pillar that PrinnyBaal is hiding behind and it suddenly sprouts thousands of metal spikes all along it's length.
The purple mage steps back quickly from the metal spikes and vanishes from sight. RedWarrior0 explodes another shambling form and winches as shards of rock explode in his face. Looking around, he slams his staff on the ground. All of the metal pillars suddenly sprout spikes, and you see PrinnyBaal stagger away from one, his arm slashed and bleeding.
The cyan wizard stabs with his staff, but when the spear of rock strikes the purple wizard he vanishes in a wavering of light. You catch sight of the purple wizard darting from around another pillar. His blade slashes along the length of RedWarrior0's back, and the cyan mage staggers forward. Turning, he slams his staff into Prinny's stomach. As the purple mage doubles over he guestures with his hand and an explosion of rock sends PrinnyBaal staggering backwards. He then spins around and explodes yet another shambling mound that rises up next to him.
The arena is suddenly filled with screeching sound of bending metal as PrinnyBaal raises his hand to the sky. The metal pillars fold in and collapse around RedWarrior0. The cyan mage's runes hold for a moment, and then shatter with an explosion of blue light. After a few minutes of silence the Marshal calls the duel over and sends a team in to excavate the entombed mage.
PrinnyBaal bows to the crowd and vanishes with a shimmer of purple light.
As the crowd applaudes, you suddenly hear screaming from nearby. Looking over, you see Leafsnail running around batting at his hat while blood flows down his face. You're startled to see that his hat is trying to eat his head, while the word Wizzard flashes red and yellow on his hat. After a few moments the security detail catches up to him and manages to disenchant the hat, which falls to the ground. The Healers take Leafsnail off to the Healing Ward for treatment while security carefully takes the hat off for study.
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
RedWarrior0, War Mage of Water has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Leafsnail, Guardian of Fire has been attacked by a rogue hat and is removed from the Tournament!
Duel 4 has ended. Vote Phase for Duel 5 will go until ~5pm Pacific Tuesday or until all votes are cast.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 03:54:59 pm
Post by: Frelock on December 18, 2009, 04:20:43 pm
And now, let's put Prinny and Hamie into the ring.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 04:24:46 pm
Hamie and Prinny
Post by: Kashyyk on December 18, 2009, 04:26:30 pm
Post by: Frelock on December 18, 2009, 04:58:22 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 18, 2009, 05:03:44 pm
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 05:52:38 pm
I need a replacement. Vacation
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 18, 2009, 07:06:17 pm
You fail roleblocker.Does this mean you finally got a reading on somebody?
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 18, 2009, 07:06:38 pm
... But seriously, wth. I got lucky again I suppose, and nothing's going to change that you guys are going to be voting me in- so... thanks to you idiots. Guess I'll be doing more little descriptions. Hah, maybe I can manage to live long enough to take down 1 cabal in a town/cabal match up simply because there's no other townies. That would be funny.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 07:26:13 pm
Yep. Halmnie wanted me to check Leafy.You fail roleblocker.Does this mean you finally got a reading on somebody?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 18, 2009, 08:15:58 pm
And let's just throw Halmie into the ring while we're at it. Just because he's an archivist doesn't mean he's not scum.
Yep. Halmie wanted me to check Leafy.You fail roleblocker.Does this mean you finally got a reading on somebody?
Why did Halmie want you to do that?
Post by: Halmie on December 18, 2009, 08:54:50 pm
Time to reveal the pms:
You may have noticed the No Kill this time around. That's because I am a guardian and I protected you. From my point of view, you are confirmed town - however, I don't think I can go claiming this, as I will be killed. So please don't tell anyone about my identity, but rest assured you now has a guardian who is sure of your innocence.
Yup, that would be the protection. This is the thing though - I think you, me, and Org can now act as a mason group. He's confirmed to you and you're confirmed to me, so I trust you when you say you got Justicar on him. That means the three of us are now confirmed to each other... and since we're probably the town's 3 best roles, so much the better.
I think you should drop a line to Org and explain.
Ah, sorry about that. Anyway, I think this setup could be very beneficial to us - the three of us represent over half of the entire town. In addition, we have a doctor and 2 potential "recruiters".
However, I think this game will still be very tough. Even if we "lynch" a cabal member every day, I'll probably have to block at least one more cabal incapacitation first. We may also need to get someone else (if you two can clear them) to falseclaim Doctor and have me protect them.
Ok, who do you guys think is scum? Personally, I think RedWarrior and Prinny should dual today, with RedWarrior getting assists (I'm worried Prinny might have a combat role). I think Kashyyk is trying to bandwagon his buddy, too.
Ok, Jim looks a LOT like scum.
What should our actions be this dual?
Leafy is guard?Ok, Jim looks a LOT like scum.I'll investigate RedWarrior0 and Org investigates Jim? You should probably guard Org, becuase if RedWarrior is the roleblocker then they will feel its safest to kill Org. Its really a 50/50 chance of me or org dieing I think but you should protect org becuase of his importance?
What should our actions be this dual?
Really. Huh. Not like he scum, now is he?
Cant trust anyone
I'm not sure who to investigate.Kashyyk mebbeh. Or Frey,
Should I investigate Leafsnail, Red or someone else?
Im going to justicar leaf
Jim, joining in on the bandwagon I see.
I wanted Org to check one of our suspects and me to check Leafsnail. I think that's all the pms.
Post by: Halmie on December 18, 2009, 09:00:26 pm
1. After that last pm I said that I should probably check Leaf as guardian is a town only role and he should probably check someone else. Maybe the two he suggested for me. I then left for the night after selecting Leafsnail to inspect.
2. WTF org?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 18, 2009, 09:07:28 pm
Jim, joining in on the bandwagon I see.
Bandwagoning? This is a horrendous accusation you're accusing me of!
I demand to know your basis for this! Demand it! Demand it!
Post by: Halmie on December 18, 2009, 09:11:27 pm
And let's just throw Halmie into the ring while we're at it.After two other votes which were pretty much the same.
No one has given reason to put me into the ring.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 18, 2009, 09:17:03 pm
I was right to vote for you.
Post by: Halmie on December 18, 2009, 09:22:53 pm
I dunno. You think Org is better?
Ah, us two are the only townies left. Oh well its worth a try. Frelock.
There is 4 scum isnt there? And Justicar cant be scum? Becuase otherwise why is Prinny being chucked in instead of org?
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 09:23:31 pm
Sorry for the double post but there were two things I forgot to add:Meh. you prob gave away Leafyboy
1. After that last pm I said that I should probably check Leaf as guardian is a town only role and he should probably check someone else. Maybe the two he suggested for me. I then left for the night after selecting Leafsnail to inspect.
2. WTF org?
Post by: Halmie on December 18, 2009, 09:26:50 pm
Sorry for the double post but there were two things I forgot to add:
1. After that last pm I said that I should probably check Leaf as guardian is a town only role and he should probably check someone else. Maybe the two he suggested for me. I then left for the night after selecting Leafsnail to inspect.
2. WTF org?
Meh. you prob gave away Leafyboy
He's out of the tournament. :-\
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
RedWarrior0, War Mage of Water has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Leafsnail, Guardian of Fire has been attacked by a rogue hat and is removed from the Tournament!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 18, 2009, 09:32:19 pm
2. WTF org?Meh. you prob gave away Leafyboy
Yes. Makes sense. The scum decided not to incapacitate anyone during Duel 3, so that the Guardian would get a false positive and think that the Cabal Archivist he decided to protect was a confirmed Tower wizard, thereby revealing himself as the Guardian to the Cabal, who then decided to incapacitate the Guardian during Duel 4.
Org, your critical thinking skills are an asset to this town.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 18, 2009, 09:37:11 pm
2. WTF org?Meh. you prob gave away Leafyboy
Yes. Makes sense. The scum decided not to incapacitate anyone during Duel 3, so that the Guardian would get a false positive and think that the Cabal Archivist he decided to protect was a confirmed Tower wizard, thereby revealing himself as the Guardian to the Cabal, who then decided to incapacitate the Guardian during Duel 4.
How would the Cabal know who the Guardian was protecting?
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 09:38:38 pm
I dont know...care to explain JIM AND RNG OTHER SCUMSBUDDYSPEEPSGUYS/GIRLS/OTHERS??2. WTF org?Meh. you prob gave away Leafyboy
Yes. Makes sense. The scum decided not to incapacitate anyone during Duel 3, so that the Guardian would get a false positive and think that the Cabal Archivist he decided to protect was a confirmed Tower wizard, thereby revealing himself as the Guardian to the Cabal, who then decided to incapacitate the Guardian during Duel 4.
How would the Cabal know who the Guardian was protecting?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 18, 2009, 09:42:13 pm
How would the Cabal know who the Guardian was protecting?
They guessed it was Halmie based on the discussions about who was going to investigate who during Duel 3 Set up.
A cunning plan for Halmie et. al, if I do say so myself. But the jig is up!
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 09:50:29 pm
Post by: Halmie on December 18, 2009, 10:05:52 pm
Frelock is the only one not hiding. Is there any reason for us to even post. It feels hopeless. Even if againts all odds I win this duel they will kill me in the next duel with their NK. Or they might assist me to get rid of PrinnyBaal so there is only 3 people with a chance to win outright. Then they'll NK me.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 10:13:55 pm
Just toss me in the ring scumsies. But I want some assists. Preferably defense.
Post by: Halmie on December 18, 2009, 11:28:44 pm
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 11:40:11 pm
Post by: Halmie on December 19, 2009, 12:22:43 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 19, 2009, 06:49:50 am
But anyway, I had thought that Archivist was a town only role, but Org pointed that out for me. So voting Halmie. And second vote? I'll be going for Prinny.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 19, 2009, 04:47:53 pm
All aboard the bandwagontrain! Choo choo!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 19, 2009, 04:50:28 pm
Post by: Halmie on December 19, 2009, 08:08:26 pm
There is four scum and two townies left. I have already inspected org so I know he is townie. Which leaves you four.
I just want to know how you knew leaf was guardian.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 19, 2009, 09:21:33 pm
You've already lost. There's no point declaring that you know the great big secret of the game when you're not in a position to do anything about it.
Post by: Halmie on December 19, 2009, 09:38:56 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 19, 2009, 10:12:13 pm
Also, not sure why you keep excluding Prinny. He's still in the game.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 19, 2009, 10:13:08 pm
Post by: Frelock on December 19, 2009, 11:51:54 pm
And we knew there was a guardian from when we tried to kill you; it was either redwarrior or leaf, so line 'em up and knock 'em down.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 20, 2009, 12:39:56 am
Frelock : Halmie
Halmie : Frelock, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, RandomNumberGenerator
Jim Groovester : Halmie
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, RandomNumberGenerator
PrinnyBaal returns to the ring, this time to face Halmie!
All right, vote phase is over and we move on to Set-Up.
And just to clarify, yes Guardians are aware when they successfully protect someone. The person protected will also get some indication that something happened.
Post by: Frelock on December 20, 2009, 03:39:28 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2009, 03:48:15 am
Also, Phase Shortening. Let's get rid of these Tower wizards already.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 20, 2009, 12:31:15 pm
No Assist
Phase Shortening
Post by: Kashyyk on December 20, 2009, 02:17:54 pm
No Assist
Phase Shortening
Post by: Org on December 21, 2009, 06:35:56 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 22, 2009, 07:40:51 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 24, 2009, 03:00:39 pm
The doors to the North and South of the Arena open.
PrinnyBaal slides towards his starting circle on a wave of water, purple runes wavering along the sides. As he comes to a stop the water forms a shell around him.
Halmie walks in from the south, his Maroon robes flapping as his wooden staff clicks against the stone. As he stops in his circle a great aquamarine rune appears before him. The ground rumbles, and a great stone dog claws its way from the rocks of the Arena floor.
A spray of colored light flashes over the Arena, and the stone dog lunges forward. The globe of water leaps as well, spinning towards the dog. As the dog crashes down on the globe PrinnyBaal appears from inside it and slashes out at Halmie. The aquamarine wizard steps back and glares at his opponent while fingering a long cut in the sleeve of his robe.
PrinnyBaal slashes again, but Halmie blocks with his staff and steps to the side as the stone dog plows into Prinny and knocks him to the ground. A slap with it's paw sends him rolling away, and the purple mage summons mist to conceal himself from the dog.
The great stone dog leaps into the mist, lunging around and growling with a deep grinding voice. But the purple mage has slipped away.
From the mists comes a cracking sound, and a great dragon of ice and water shoots out. Halmie barely dodges out of it's path, and is blinded by a spray of freezing mist. You can hear the dog growl from the mist.
The dragon turns, and claw of water and ice slashes out at Halmie. His runes flare, but then shatter, and he staggers away with a rent along his right arm. The dragon turns to attack again, but the stone dog leaps in the way.
The two Elemental beasts grapple, the dog's jaws clenched on a thrashing wave of ice and water while the dragons claws screech along the stone flanks of the beast. Halmie backs up, his runes flaring as he pours his powers into his construct.
Back and forth the battle rages. Ice shatters against rock, and flecks of stone and earth rain down from the battered hound. Purple runes shine forth from within the great Dragon's head as it slams into the stone dog again and again.
The dog leaps away, tearing a chunk of ice with it. As the dragon turns to answer, you hear a shout and watch as Org is propelled off of his chair and into the Arena! He is batted aside by the leaping hound, only to be slammed again as the dragon uncoils itself and crashes, into the hound. Flakes of stone and ice rain down on the hapless wizard as he goes tumbling along the arena floor to splash into a pool of muddy water. The Marshal of the Games calls an immediate halt, and the healers rush out to drag the battered mage to safety.
With Org safely en route to the Healing Ward, the Marshal signals for the combatants to begin again.
A great blast of frigid air washes over you as the dragon lets out a blast. Chunks of jagged ice and slashing rain explode from it's mouth and wash over the stone hound. As the rocky beast shrinks from the blast the dragon strikes again, claws of ice ripping chunks from the hound. It leaps at the dragon, only to be slammed aside by its tail. The dog rolls and slowly claws to its feet, the low grinding rumble of its growl vibrating the entire arena.
With a great howl it launches itself at the dragon. Icy claws rip into it as it clamps its teeth down on the dragons neck.
Back and forth the two great beasts roll, the dragon's claws ripping into the dog as it maintains a deathgrip on the icy throat of its foe. But soon the claws of the dragon dig deep, and blue light floods out over the arena from the many rents in the stone hid of the dog. With a final cracking howl the hound shatters into a pile of rubble, and Halmie collapses to the ground.
PrinnyBaal steps out of the head of the dragon, which fades to mist behind him. He draws his sword and points it at the remaining Wizards of the Tournament, before stalking off to the exit.
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
Halmie, Archivist of Water has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Org, Justicar of Fire has fallen into the Arena and is removed from the Tournament due to injuries!
Long fight.
Anyway, Vote Phase will go until I have all the votes. With Christmas tomorrow, I don't really expect anything until Monday or so of next week. But the sooner I have all the votes (or enough to ensure the combatants), I'll move on to the set-up phase.
Post by: Frelock on December 24, 2009, 04:24:47 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 24, 2009, 11:06:54 pm
Also- lol at the victory with me using water. Guess that's a veritable classic. Funniest thing is the situation is that I should honestly have lost in a match up like that... still.
Hmmm... I wonder if I can point at the town yet about how you guys really screwed up with the throwing me in there over and over... It really had no point. I warned about the very same point being the mafias goal- and no one commented.
Clearly I'm too much the... 'noob' to ever be right. I shouldn't have bothered thinking I could actually do anything about this game.
Vote Prinny
I don't feel like leaving the ring. Sorry- mind indulging me cabal? It's not like you need to butcher me immediately anyway. I'm a friggin subtle mage. Also- I doubt I'll be joining another game over here for awhile short of a beginner's mafia. I clearly need to start from the beginning again if I'm going to bother...
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 26, 2009, 07:05:11 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 26, 2009, 07:54:08 pm
Phase Shortening
Post by: Mephansteras on December 28, 2009, 11:12:39 am
Jim Groovester : Frelock, Jim Groovester, RandomNumberGenerator
PrinnyBaal : PrinnyBaal
RandomNumberGenerator : Frelock, Jim Groovester, RandomNumberGenerator
Our next two Duelists, Jim Groovester and RandomNumberGenerator!
Set-up phase will go until I have Assists and Side actions from everyone and the Elements used by the duelists.
Post by: Frelock on December 28, 2009, 05:54:14 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 28, 2009, 06:26:57 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 28, 2009, 07:42:56 pm
Post by: PrinnyBaal on December 28, 2009, 07:46:23 pm
No assist
Cause. You know. It matters what I say.
... Can we get on with it? I think I'm the last person to pos... oh, wait no. Kash is still here.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 30, 2009, 04:45:48 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 31, 2009, 08:56:11 am
Doesn't really matter though, No Assist
Post by: Mephansteras on December 31, 2009, 04:44:27 pm
The crowd is hushed as the two wizards enter the arena.
Jim Groovester moves to his starting circle with a stately walk, beige runes flare around him and wisps of sand trail after him. He gives his wand an imperious wave, and columns of shifting sand arise around him.
From the other end comes RandomNumberGenerator. His dark purple robes shimmer with purple runes, and the tip of his bident sparks with purple energy has he walks. Above him trails a storm cloud, winds howling and arc of lightning flashing within it.
As the Marshal signals the games to start the Arena explodes in motion. A powerful gale slams into Jim, and he is forced back a step before his runes push back the winds. RandomNumberGenerator, meanwhile, is hit by waves of sand. He screams and covers his eyes, runes flashing around him.
With a flash of purple energy, the sandstorm is brushed aside. Jim is thrown from his feet as a blast of lighting from the storm slams into him. Beige runes flash and crackle as the purple mage stabs forward with the bident, arcs of energy slamming into Jim. The beige wizard's eyes flash, and his wand explodes with light. The arena shudders and the onlookers stare in wonder as a giant column of sand engulfs the purple wizard. The column shifts and turns, and finally collapses.
RandomNumberGenerator is revealed, lying in a pool of sand. His robes are in tatters, and the visible flesh has been scraped raw by sand.
Staggering, barely able to walk, Jim leaves the arena as the healers rush out to collect the fallen duelist. You watch with interest as they inspect his bident, and then send it to the Marshal with a look of distaste.
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
RandomNumberGenerator, Cabal Enchanter of Air has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Duel 7 voting is up. Voting will last until we have selected the next duelists.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on December 31, 2009, 08:22:52 pm
And why is Prinny not incapacitated, either? I'm the only roleblocker...
Post by: Frelock on January 01, 2010, 04:03:06 am
In any case Myself and Kashyyk
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 01, 2010, 10:59:57 am
Looks like we'll have to make sure the kill happens come set up phase.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 02, 2010, 08:44:44 am
Frelock and Me.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 02, 2010, 11:55:15 am
Frelock : Frelock, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk
Kashyyk : Frelock, Jim Groovester, Kashyyk
Since there is a majority agreement, we move on to the set-up phase.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 02, 2010, 12:44:14 pm
Post by: Frelock on January 02, 2010, 02:29:28 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 02, 2010, 03:35:11 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 02, 2010, 05:05:59 pm
Good luck, guys.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 04, 2010, 07:49:41 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 05, 2010, 12:50:46 pm
I don't think I've ever actually fought in a duel before..
Post by: Mephansteras on January 06, 2010, 01:46:27 pm
The roar of the crowd is overwhelming as the next two challengers enter the arena.
Kashyyk, from the North, strides forward with purpose. Lime Green runes explode in the air around him, and the air begins to stir. Soon his cloak and robes whip around him as a vortex appears in the air above him.
Frelock enters from the south, his pure white robes glowing with runes. As he reaches his starting circle he raises a hand in the air and a spear of white fire appears in his hand.
A hush falls over the arena as the spectators catch their breath waiting for the duel to start.
The spray of color form the Marshal lights up the Arena, and with it the wizards begin to move.
Kashyyk's vortex hurtles forward, kicking up sand and dust as it skims across the ground. But Frelock deftly dodges to the side and sends the spear of fire slamming into his opponent's shields. White and green sparks explode around Kashyyk, but he pushes the fires back with a gesture of his staff. Another spear of fire lances in, only to explode in another shower of sparks. The green wizard's vortex swings back and attempts to engulf the white mage, but he stops it with a wall of white energy.
Back and forth the wizards duel. White flame and green-tinged air swirl and clash as the air crackles with energy. Neither wizard seems able to get the upper hand, and both begin to show signs of fatigue.
Kashyyk makes the first mistake, misjudging the timing on his defense the white spear of fire slams into him. His runes crackle and hiss around him, but he manages to put the flames out in short order. Frelock does not escape unscathed, either, as his elation at scoring a hit on the green wizard almost distracts him long enough for the vortex to swallow him up. Only a quick diving roll saves him.
Visibly furious, the green made slashes with his staff and sends glowing orbs of air exploding around his opponent. Frelock shields himself with a dome of white flames, but doing so blinds him to the vortex bearing down on him. As it hits the dome the vortex becomes a column of flame, roaring upwards towards the ceiling of the arena. Frelock is flung out of the maelstrom, burned and broken. But not defeated. As he skids to a stop his hands come forward and a gout of flame bursts from him...only to stop a few feet short of its target as the green wizard sends a gale rushing forward, bending the stream of flame back on itself.
As the whirlwind disperses above, Kashyyk pulls from it, sending smoking balls of air hurtling downward to explode around the white mage. Blast after blast pummels the battered wizard as his shields struggle to absorb the blasts, but the onslaught is too much and Frelock is slammed backwards into the wall. His hand reaches up and clenches into a fist, which he then slams down into the ground at his feet.
A rain of white fire sears the arena. The green wizard spins his staff above him, deflecting much of the fire, but there is too much and his robes begin to smolder and smoke. With a pained roar he snaps the staff toward Frelock and sends a flame-licked blast of air spinning across the arena to slam the white mage against the wall once more.
Exhausted and battered, the white mage slumps down to the floor.
Kashyyk bows to the crowd and then leaves the arena, while Frelock is helped up by the Healers. Oddly, there is a member of the security force with them.
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
Frelock, Cabal Healer of Darkness has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Sorry about the delay in getting that out. Nasty case of writer's block yesterday.
Duel 8 vote phase begins now.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 06, 2010, 02:37:05 pm
And why the hell is Prinny not dead yet? Is he curseproof or something?
You know, I think we need to throw him into the ring, I'll go in with him. Remember to Buff me up alright?
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2010, 02:44:53 pm
Kashyyk and PrinnyBaal.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 06, 2010, 03:29:59 pm
Also, I request a Phase Shortening
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2010, 03:39:48 pm
Yeah, there are only three players remaining.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 06, 2010, 03:43:37 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2010, 04:05:36 pm
Everything is now in place.
Assist PrinnyBaal with Fiery Attack. PrinnyBaal, Kashyyk's affinity is Water. Blow him away!
Post by: PrinnyBaal on January 06, 2010, 08:49:19 pm
Grats on being the only one to play a game about intrigue with... I dunno... intrigue.
Sort of funny, since if someone else had offered, then I would've had trouble deciding, but instead... yea.
Kash- you screwed up. Jim there was playing to win- he actually asked me to assist people of his choice, and left me alive so I could subtly change the course of the duels. The result is as you see. Even if phase shortening hadn't occurred, I would've been in to vote you and me into the arena.
At the very least, I'm getting my extra duel- and against a Cabal too! An actual challenge this time... Of course, I don't doubt you'll be opposing my element correctly, so I suspect this duel will go quite fast, but since Jim says you're water- ((Implied regardless since I was to assist you with Water Healing in your last duel)) well, the result is up in the air I suppose. 14 attack versus 11 net? There's still chance in this one I believe. Still, here goes nothing. ((Hasn't actually done the math- no point. Either I win or I don't. It's my job to make it my win. ^_^))
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2010, 11:13:33 pm
Too bad I'm betraying you too!
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
No, really. I hope you blow Kashyyk away, and then I'll just incapacitate you during the duel. This should allow me to become the High Mage without even needing to fight for it.
I'm actually surprised that my plan worked so well, but it might have something to do with people just plain not caring about what was going on after the Cabal was assured of victory.
I was pretty disappointed that after we had won a game through cunning and villainy we decided to have a nice, fair tournament to determine who won High Mage. I didn't like that, a group of villains backstabbing their way to victory all of a sudden forgetting that they were a group of backstabbing villains. So I decided well in advance to betray all of you.
I would've used the Cabal incapacitation against some of you if Meph hadn't told me that that wasn't going to work.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Before I can claim High Mage, PrinnyBaal needs to win this duel first.
And sheesh, I hope the Cabal doesn't win one of these games again with all their number intact. It's taken forever just to get down to three players.
Post by: Frelock on January 07, 2010, 12:42:08 am
Bah!
Post by: Kashyyk on January 07, 2010, 03:59:50 am
Kudos to Jim for such strategic backstabbing.
Post by: Halmie on January 07, 2010, 04:20:07 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 07, 2010, 06:22:37 am
Post by: PrinnyBaal on January 07, 2010, 09:06:39 am
Well, I can only say- Hope that it doesn't backfire. Karma can happen that way sometimes through sheer chance in weird ways- mostly through a sheer awkward turn in terms of probability. I hope I win though. Once I'm done with that... Meh. It would be funny if I did though.
Also- lol Kashyyk, you do realize... Yea, sure whatever. Unless you lied to your teammates, I doubt I'm wrong. Which, to be honest- lying to your teammates is all cool and fair.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2010, 12:29:52 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 07, 2010, 12:30:51 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2010, 04:49:24 pm
The excitement of the arena has hit a fever pitch. Spectators cheer, boo, and nearly come to blows with one another as they predict the winner of this match.
Kashyyk arrives from the north side, his cloak glowing with lime green runes of power and protection. As he reaches the summoning circle he scrapes his staff along the ground. The floor rumbles and cracks as blades of stone rise up around him.
PrinnyBaal appears within a purple ball of fire from the South. He flourishes his blade, and bows to the crowd.
The display of lights from the Marshal is short but dramatic, bursts of color filling the air of the arena to the sounds of trumpets.
A hailstorm of blades answers the trumpets as Kashyyk unleashes his attack. Spinning and dodging Prinny manages to avoid the worst of it, but his robes are still in tatters after the assault. A sweep of his blade send a gout of flame and lava shooting up from the ground at the green wizard's feet, but he shields himself with his cloak. Green runes flash and spark, but the protective magic holds.
Taking advantage of his opponent's distraction Prinny stabs his blade in the air. Shimmering walls of heat obscure the arena, but you can see the purple mage slash downward with the blade. Kashyyk looks up just in time to be slammed backwards by a superheated blast of air. The green wizard rolls to his knees and scratches a rune on the ground. With a cracking roar a spike of earth shoots upwards from beneath the purple wizard. PrinnyBaal simply jumps lightly off of it however, and begins a spinning dance in the middle of the arena.
Around and around he spins, his blade a flashing line of purple fire. With a shout he comes to a stop, his blade pointed at his opponent. Above him the shout is echoed by a great Phoenix of pure flame. It cries and dives down towards the green mage. Kashyyk rises to his feet and raises his staff.
The Arena then explodes in light and heat. Even protected by the magical barriers of the arena, the crowd flinches backwards from the intense heat. As you blink your eyes and focus on the Arena, the Phoenix is gone. Below, both mages crumple to the ground. Their robes are singed, their runes sputter and spark as the last energy leaves them.
The Marshal appears within the Arena, followed closely by the security force and the Healers.
After examining the two duelists, he makes a pronouncement to the security team.
Looking up at the Floating Announcement Board you see:
Kashyyk, Cabal Subtle Wizard of Water has lost a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
PrinnyBaal, Subtle Wizard of Earth has suffered a mishap in a duel and is removed from the Tournament!
Taking his place back at the dias, the Marshal calls Jim Groovester before him.
All Hail Jim Groovester, new High Mage of the Council!
Congratulations to the Cabal. They truly deserved this victory!
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2010, 04:51:48 pm
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Cabal Chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/WFdCUShMjne8
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Post by: Leafsnail on January 07, 2010, 04:52:01 pm
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Congratulations to the Cabal. They truly deserved this victory!And Jim truly truly deserves his. I was really hoping we'd see cabal backstabbing ;).
Edit - I dunno about 4 scum in a 14p game. Since the town can't lynch, which puts them at lylo a lot earlier, it probably gave the scum an advantage.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2010, 04:54:08 pm
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Post by: Org on January 07, 2010, 04:54:21 pm
Yeah, 4 was a bit much.QuoteCongratulations to the Cabal. They truly deserved this victory!And Jim truly truly deserves his. I was really hoping we'd see cabal backstabbing ;).
Edit - I dunno about 4 scum in a 14p game. Since the town can't lynch, which puts them at lylo a lot earlier, it probably gave the scum an advantage.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2010, 04:56:25 pm
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Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2010, 04:57:03 pm
Yeah, 4 was a bit much.QuoteCongratulations to the Cabal. They truly deserved this victory!And Jim truly truly deserves his. I was really hoping we'd see cabal backstabbing ;).
Edit - I dunno about 4 scum in a 14p game. Since the town can't lynch, which puts them at lylo a lot earlier, it probably gave the scum an advantage.
Yeah, I should make my script round down instead of up, I think.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2010, 05:00:23 pm
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Post by: JanusTwoface on January 07, 2010, 05:02:24 pm
Part of the problem was poor scum hunting on the part of the tower, but having 4 scum also means that they (most likely) have 4 power roles. That can perhaps be a little overpowerful methinks.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2010, 05:11:42 pm
Congratulations on your ascension Jim. That's how the cabal should do things! (Just like blowing the heck out of my final opponent in Wizard Duel #1 as the Cabal Archmage :P)
Part of the problem was poor scum hunting on the part of the tower, but having 4 scum also means that they (most likely) have 4 power roles. That can perhaps be a little overpowerful methinks.
Yeah, the extra power helped a bit. Although I don't think Frelock ever used his boosted Healing assist on anyone, so I'm not sure how much of a difference it really made. Mostly it was the fact that the town didn't get a Cabal mage into the ring at all until it was far too late for them to win in a normal mafia game.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2010, 06:58:34 pm
It is with great honor that I accept this title of High Mage. While the interference of the Cabal in the tournament is troubling, their efforts were ultimately fruitless.
Thus begins a new era for all wizards and mages!
That was a fun game.
We as the Cabal had a nullifier, a subtle mage, and an enchanter on our team, so we were pretty well equipped to screw around with the duels as much as possible. Too bad that more often than not the duels didn't go the way we wanted them to.
I'm glad I didn't disappoint the Healing Ward with the Cabal backstabbing. My plan was pretty fragile, though. If anybody asked me why PrinnyBaal was still alive, I doubt I would've been able to fool anybody, and my teammates probably would've had me eliminated as retribution or something. But everybody just went and did exactly what I needed them to. It was eery how well it worked.
So, thanks everybody for not digging deeper into why PrinnyBaal wouldn't die. It made my win possible.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 07, 2010, 07:00:21 pm
Actually, I thought you guys had had a dispute backstage and couldn't agree on a kill to make. Or something like that.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 08, 2010, 07:10:07 am
Post by: Org on January 08, 2010, 09:51:11 am
Mafia:Why not kill me once I claimed? Try to get everyone to kill me as they thought me Mafia?
Post by: Kashyyk on January 08, 2010, 10:21:40 am
Post by: Leafsnail on January 08, 2010, 12:32:53 pm
only one towny mate. How could we have a dispute?Before then. I thought you had all realised that someone was trying to backstab you and thus couldn't come to an agreement.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2010, 02:31:27 pm
I guess the thought that one of the Cabal was planning to betray the rest of the Cabal never quite crossed their mind, or they didn't care enough to wonder. Probably a little of both.
Mafia:Why not kill me once I claimed? Try to get everyone to kill me as they thought me Mafia?
But why kill you when we can make you look suspicious by preventing you from getting results? We did get two Tower wizards to vote for you as scum, so it worked.
If we didn't have a roleblocker, you probably would've been dead. And the Guardian wouldn't have protected you, because that was rickvoid and he had dropped off the face of the earth by the time you claimed.
Post by: Frelock on January 08, 2010, 09:30:53 pm
Post by: Solifuge on January 09, 2010, 05:27:54 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on January 19, 2010, 02:46:58 pm