Post by: dakarian on December 03, 2009, 10:43:41 pm
So begins YET another Beginner's Mafia.
The Rules:
You may NOT PM to anyone except to me or from one mafia member to another. Furthermore, ALL discussion about this game, even indirectly, can only occur in this thread.
All votes must be colored red. To avoid confusion, only use that color when you are voting for someone. You must also Unvote before you vote for another. If you do NOT unvote, your new vote will NOT count. No Lynch votes are allowed.
"Days" will last for 2 RL days. Nights will last 24 hours or until all night roles have been sent to me. The deadline will be posted regularly and I retain the ability to hurry the deadline for inactivity or extend the deadline if enough request it. Note that any deadline that falls on a weekend will be pushed back to the following Monday. Note that you may request to extend or shorten the day.
Upon deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If there is a tie, there will be no lynch. Once dead, you may not speak or PM anyone about the game, living or otherwise. A Dead chat will be made available.
Mafia will be given their own Chat to speak to one another once roles have been sent.
Bolded sentences can be used to catch my attention. Italics used by me is story text, or "flavor" as they call it, and is just there to be interesting. Note you are free to apply flavor as you wish. Note that the flavor has nothing to do with the actual gameplay and can be ignored if desired.
Do NOT quote my PM text and do NOT edit your posts (you can double post if you need to)
Lastly any suggestion of breaking a rule in the main chat will be treated as the rule already broken. If you have any questions or wish to make sure of the legality of an action, PM me first.
You can, of course, ask any questions you may have.
These are the Roles that may appear in the game:
Townsperson: The basic town role. Your goal is to help the town lynch all of the mafia players. You win as long as the town wins.
Mafia: The basic antagonist role. You and the other Mafia players work together to kill off the townspeople. During the day, you pretend to be normal townspeople and voting on who is to be lynched. During the night, you will tell me the name of the player you wish to kill along with which of you will kill them. You win once you have greater than or equal to the number of town aligned players.
Mafia Roleblocker: Similar to the mafia. However, in nights when you are not the one assigned to kill, you may choose one person for yourself. The person you choose will be unable to perform their night action. Note that the Doctor will not know if they have been blocked, but the Cop will know. You will not be informed if you had blocked an actual action.
Mafia Godfather: Similar to the mafia. However, when investigated by the cop, they will show up as an innocent townsperson.
Cop: An honest cop, he may choose one player each night to investigate. He will then learn if that player is Mafia or Town.
Doctor: The doctor may choose one player each night to protect from the mafia's night kill. Note that neither you nor the mafia will know if the kill had been stopped by your action.
Players:
1. CobaltKobold
2. MagmaDeath
3. SirBayer
4. Org
5. Errol
6. Nirur Torir
7. GlyphGryph
8. Rooster
9. LASD
ICs:
Town: Pandarsenic
Mafia: Vector
Post by: dakarian on December 03, 2009, 10:51:17 pm
Thus if you don't want to bother with the flavoring, you're done reading and can skip everything else on this post.
For everyone else:
The wheel of time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a wind rose in the the skies above Tar Valon. The wind is not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.
Down the wind traveled along a bone white tower which dwarfed the buildings surrounding it. The wind reached the large front gates and doubled back on itself as if attempting to escape notice. Indeed, few who had business here came within sight of the White Tower. Those that resided here wield a great and terrifying power.
Within the grandiose hallways and rooms were wielders of the One Power, known as Aes Sedai. Dedicated to their craft and, some say, their control over the rulers of the world, they each vary from each other in bloodline, appearance, and personality excluding a few traits. For one, it is impossible to place an age to their face even when they carry white in their hair. For another, every one of them is a woman: no male has carried the name of Aes Sedai in thousands of years. Beyond this, they each differ even in their world outlook: this is shown by the different societies, known as Ajahs, who hold a different way of viewing the world.
Of the Ajahs, 7 are known publicly: Red, Blue, White, Brown, Grey, Green, and Yellow. Although all Aes Sedai, the different groups argue and bicker between each other, at times viewing each other as enemies. Excluding formal occasions, it takes a great need to have members of each Ajah joining together for a single cause.
More Flavor-based notes:
Spoiler: For those big on story details. (click to show/hide)
Post by: dakarian on December 03, 2009, 11:44:44 pm
Jacquin visibly steeled herself before continuing, "Yes, we are bound to never be able to act in such a way. However, there are some among us that can. We have been summoned to find them."
Even if indirectly said, such a thing is difficult for any Aes Sedai to say. The truth, however, is that among the 7 Ajahs lies a hidden eighth: the Black Ajah, dedicated to the Shadow. Very little is known of them, but what is known is enough: only they may be able to kill with the One Power in cold blood. Now, somewhere among the group within the room, lies two such killers.
They must be found, before they succeed in killing again.
Post by: dakarian on December 03, 2009, 11:48:00 pm
Survivors
CobaltKobold
MagmaDeath
SirBayer
Org
Errol
Nirur Torir
GlyphGryph
Rooster
LASD
Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST
You may now begin.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 03, 2009, 11:55:09 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 04, 2009, 12:04:34 am
what th-Pandarsenic, you're not playing. :P Don't confuse. Bad as town IC. And I'm female.
It'd be nice to link to this thread from the first and/or lastposts of the discussion thread.
LASD, you are scum who would masquerade as WASD. Who are your favorite scumbuddies and why? Limit to this game, if you please.
Post by: SirBayer on December 04, 2009, 12:17:29 am
Who would YOUR favorite scumbuddies be?
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 04, 2009, 12:47:59 am
Who do you think would make the best scum?
Limit it to this game
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 04, 2009, 01:10:18 am
I'm not even sure how I fit in flavorwise-
Faux-edit: I have been flavor'd in. But yeah, I'm your temporarily-female IC.
Post by: Rooster on December 04, 2009, 02:07:05 am
PS I'm a tranny
Cobald Kobold cause (s)he's the best
Glyph Gryph your avatar.... eigher you're a woman, or a tranny
(don't worry I have a girly avatar too.)
Post by: Vector on December 04, 2009, 02:32:02 am
For all her life, she had watched life fade. As a young girl, she crouched in the icy mud on the toes of her beaten leather boots, peering at frogs as they froze to death. When older, she scryed in mirrors and pools of water, her cold brown eyes examining mankind's dying days. She once found a stranger who bore her name, and watched with delight as he fell over a balcony to his pulverized doom. He had been an evil man. He was a lonely man. She felt his death as though it had been her own--the exquisite pain of his dislocated shoulder, his stertorous breath, the slow fade of light from his eyes. She delighted in him, and his passing was her greatest love.
It was an obsession and a fascination and, had anyone asked her, she would have named Sister Death as her best and only friend.
Why hello there, Pandarsenic. Glad to see you're feeling womanly as usual. Or shall I say... [CHICK IS ALWAYS CHICK] ?
That said, I figure I'll let your post from BMV speak for itself:
Step 1: the random-vote stage. You should accuse other players at random, generally going for those without votes on them, and ask them question (i.e. "who would be your favorite scum partner" "who would be your least favorite scum partner" "who would be your least favorite scumteam" "which of the roles in this game would you like most" etc.)
Your goal is to cause someone to slip up and do or say something scummy. Assume your side has no power roles at all when scumhunting, because you might not have any and even if you do, they might be killed or roleblocked.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 04, 2009, 03:26:50 am
Post by: dakarian on December 04, 2009, 03:35:31 am
Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote. The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them. The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.
Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text. Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell. Don't ignore it: make them your target. Attack them. Tell them what bothers you about them. Push them, harass them. Tell them how scummy they are. Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:
Litia: "You bother me. Vote Dakarian!"
Dak: Meh. Why?
Litia: "Because you bother me. Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"
Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."
Litia: "You're voting for Vector. why?"
Dak: "He looked scummy.."
Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell! "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"
Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."
Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum? Being defensive? You also didn't answer my question!"
Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'. She has no hard evidence, nothing real. The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic. If you did it right, they WILL town or scum. WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self. From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth. If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.
If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:
Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence. Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives. Pull more from them. DON'T LET GO! Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY! Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.
If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time. If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4
Step 4: Final step. It's time to convince the town. Show what you have. Push the target so they show more scumminess. Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true. You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched. If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:
1. The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.
That's how a basic scumhunt is done. One last note on doubt:
Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show. If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT. If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..." you SAY "You scum! Stop being passive!!!" If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."
Doubt is something for yourself. When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up. If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure. This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here. Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.
So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it. If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know. If you wonder, accuse as if you know it. If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer. Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.
And that's scumhunting in a nutshell. Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly. Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then). If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.
If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1. Get to random voting.
Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past. Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.
It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 04, 2009, 03:58:06 am
Post by: dakarian on December 04, 2009, 03:59:05 am
2. I'm tempted to post it to the opening of every bay12 game.
Post by: LASD on December 04, 2009, 04:46:02 am
Probably Rooster, having been in the same team with him in Sean's RTD for a year and in a DF Mafia a while ago. Other than that I can't say, not having a good read on you people, but don't worry, I'm working on it.
Errol, what is your favorite role from those in this game? And if you read the flavor text, which Ajah color seems the most appealing?
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 04, 2009, 05:34:19 am
Nirur TorirNot knowing most of the players in the game, and after a brief glance at the karma thread, I'm going to have to go with CoboltKobold, for having the most games played on B12.
Who do you think would make the best scum?
Limit it to this game
MagmaDeath, if you had your choice of any one (applicable) scum role for this game, which would it be and why?
Post by: Errol on December 04, 2009, 06:43:34 am
@Cobaltkobold
Probably Rooster, having been in the same team with him in Sean's RTD for a year and in a DF Mafia a while ago. Other than that I can't say, not having a good read on you people, but don't worry, I'm working on it.
Errol, what is your favorite role from those in this game? And if you read the flavor text, which Ajah color seems the most appealing?
Brown I think. Knowledge -> Power.
MagmaDeath, will you be able to disprove that the random generator picked an incredibly stupid target?
Post by: LASD on December 04, 2009, 11:46:13 am
Here it is again rephrasen:
What role would you like to play the most from those available in this game?
Also, voting for someone who has already a vote on him in Random Voting Stage is rather weird. Even if you claim to have chosen it via a random generator.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 04, 2009, 12:29:04 pm
Glyph Gryph your avatar.... eigher[sic] you're a woman, or a tranny
You, my good sir/madame, are a cad. I am not a "woman", as you put it - I am a lady. While as you clearly have no class whatsoever.
Moreover, that's not actually a question. As such, I got my eye on you, and a question for you later. As of now, though, the only person we haven't heard from is Org, so I think I'll start with you. (To ICs, I know that wasn't actually random, since there was a reason for it. Should I have actually voted completely randomly?)
Anyways, Org, imagine if you would a world where you got your perfect Bay12 scum team in some high stakes mafia game. Who would they be, and why?
Post by: Errol on December 04, 2009, 12:37:08 pm
Errol, how come you ignored my first question?
Here it is again rephrasen:
What role would you like to play the most from those available in this game?
Also, voting for someone who has already a vote on him in Random Voting Stage is rather weird. Even if you claim to have chosen it via a random generator.
Hence why it is random. There is no such thing as a random generator that ignores people that are already voted for. Still, the fact that I smell like fish comes from that tuna sandwich I've eaten this morning, disregard it...
(The RNG was me randomly deciding to vote for the eighth person to post in this thread, including OP, which happened to be MagmaDeath. This is so scummy it isn't.)
My favorite role? Vanilla townie. No responsibilities. Sorry, I overlooked that one.
Post by: Rooster on December 04, 2009, 01:46:51 pm
I forgot to ask a question?
oh, okay.
Would you vote someone (Org, heh) if that person is a null-tell to you and hasn't posted in last 24 hours?
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 04, 2009, 04:05:02 pm
@CobaltkoboldWhat qualities would make him good at being your scumpartner, is what I meant by why? Are there any aside from familiarity?
Probably Rooster, having been in the same team with him in Sean's RTD for a year and in a DF Mafia a while ago. Other than that I can't say, not having a good read on you people, but don't worry, I'm working on it.
@IC:I do wonder why one would do well for town to RNGpick, though it certainly would make better sense for scum so they don't exclude their teammate. Sort of a pre-avoidance of tunnelvision? (see: Pandarsenic is always scum)
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 04, 2009, 04:18:55 pm
Of course there's a way. See who's being voted. Remove those from list. Who is remaining, select from.Errol, how come you ignored my first question?
Here it is again rephrasen:
What role would you like to play the most from those available in this game?
Also, voting for someone who has already a vote on him in Random Voting Stage is rather weird. Even if you claim to have chosen it via a random generator.
Hence why it is random. There is no such thing as a random generator that ignores people that are already voted for. Still, the fact that I smell like fish comes from that tuna sandwich I've eaten this morning, disregard it...
Quote from: Errol
(The RNG was me randomly deciding to vote for the eighth person to post in this thread, including OP, which happened to be MagmaDeath. This is so scummy it isn't.)...WIFOM this early? (Or is it special pleading?) Errol you scumbag.
(Blue conventionally indicates a FoS.)
Quote from: Errol
My favorite role? Vanilla townie. No responsibilities. Sorry, I overlooked that one....That is a scummy view. Even a VT[/color] has a responsibility to find scum.
Unvote LASD-I still want an answer from you, but
Errol is misbehaving.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 04, 2009, 04:20:02 pm
Quote from: dakarian
Do NOT quote my PM text and do NOT edit your posts (you can double post if you need to)
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 04, 2009, 04:26:23 pm
Post by: Errol on December 04, 2009, 04:30:17 pm
I guess I misphrased that one with the vanilla. Fact is, I wouldn't want to deal with being a cop, or a doc. Me being Frodo back then in the ring mafia just was stupid.
Ah, right, that WIFOM was more like a Wine Spilled On The Ground. It was more like a note to self, honestly...
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 04, 2009, 04:54:02 pm
Post by: LASD on December 04, 2009, 05:01:49 pm
Yes, with Rooster, familiarity. But I have a second pick having read Beginner's Mafia 5 today. I'm talking of Nirur Torir, he'd make an excellent scumpartner, he can keep his cool, stay out of spotlight and did great fake-scumhunting in that game.
Org, where are you? I'd like you too to answer to this question (if you've read the flavor): Which Ajah color seems the most appealing to you?
Ah, right, that WIFOM was more like a Wine Spilled On The Ground. It was more like a note to self, honestly...Why do you to have to point out that you're being honest?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2009, 05:34:04 pm
"This is hot!" he exclaims, while he peers through some hedges to watch.
I always take the opportunity to ruin the tone set by flavor text.
Anyways, watching.
Post by: Rooster on December 04, 2009, 06:21:24 pm
We're trying to lynch each other in a leathery and fiery fashion
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 04, 2009, 06:34:10 pm
Post by: dakarian on December 04, 2009, 08:16:56 pm
Rooster[1]: SirBayer
Nirur Torir[1]: MagmaDeath
Errol[2]: LASD, CobaltKobold
MagmaDeath[2]: Nirur Torir, Errol
GlyphGryph[1]: Rooster
Org[1]: GlyphGryph
Not Voting: Org
Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 04, 2009, 08:23:54 pm
Post by: Vector on December 04, 2009, 08:24:31 pm
To ICs, I know that wasn't actually random, since there was a reason for it. Should I have actually voted completely randomly?
No. You have the RVS stage (i.e. randomly vote for someone who has not already been voted). Then you leave the RVS stage the first time that you actually have a good reason to attack someone. So, if you have a reason to vote someone (even if they already have votes on them), vote 'em.
If you've got no reasons to suspect anyone, though, just pick a random dude and start asking questions.
@IC:I do wonder why one would do well for town to RNGpick, though it certainly would make better sense for scum so they don't exclude their teammate. Sort of a pre-avoidance of tunnelvision? (see: Pandarsenic is always scum)
1. To be like Toonyman
2. Because going through the list of names gets tiring after a while: i.e., the Boredom-Laziness Principle
3. To be like TOONYMAN
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 05, 2009, 12:00:02 am
Quote from: Rooster
Would you vote someone (Org, heh) if that person is a null-tell to you and hasn't posted in last 24 hours?
I very nearly missed seeing that question, (or at least understanding that it was for me). I'll try and think of GG as my name, but next time you should probably either write one half or the other or something.
It's actually a hard question, cause I'm conflicted. I feel like I need them to say something, but I also realize that I can't waste valuable scumhunting time on people that have yet to respond. If and when he shows up, I plan on getting right back on and pushing him, but for now I'm probably wasting my time.
UNVOTE Org
Nirur Torir, LASD makes a good point. You did well last round, so I was wondering - you were on the scum team that won BM5. What mistakes did we make that gave you the biggest advantage, in your opinion, and how could we avoid it this time around?
Jim Groovester, you may not be playing, but that doesn't mean we can't lynch you for spying, you peeping tom!
Errol, you definitely seem to be putting a lot of work into trying to seem scummy. Why else would you post WIFOMesque "notes to self" on purpose? What is your strategy - how is sitting back and making yourself look like a target going to help find scum? Aren't you just drawing attention off the hunt and on to you?
I'll be honest - I don't think your scum. You are coming off to me the same way Diakron and Jim did last game, and neither of them turned out to be scum. but at the moment, are are still far and away the scummiest seeming person here, so I'd like to see you explain yourself. Until then, you've got my vote.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 12:06:52 am
Erm, What?@Cobaltkobold
Probably Rooster, having been in the same team with him in Sean's RTD for a year and in a DF Mafia a while ago. Other than that I can't say, not having a good read on you people, but don't worry, I'm working on it.
Errol, what is your favorite role from those in this game? And if you read the flavor text, which Ajah color seems the most appealing?
Brown I think. Knowledge -> Power.
MagmaDeath, will you be able to disprove that the random generator picked an incredibly stupid target?
No, I probably wouden't. A random generator is random, and by defination can choose whoever it likes. It choosing me right after someone else voted from me was kinda stupid. Why are you using a random generator anyway?
Well, I would probably choose Roleblocker.Nirur TorirNot knowing most of the players in the game, and after a brief glance at the karma thread, I'm going to have to go with CoboltKobold, for having the most games played on B12.
Who do you think would make the best scum?
Limit it to this game
MagmaDeath, if you had your choice of any one (applicable) scum role for this game, which would it be and why?
The ability to stop a doctor from stopping their kills is much better than immunity from cops.
You can always get a cop lynched, unlike a doctor.
Post by: dakarian on December 05, 2009, 12:11:15 am
"Sadly" because I was town at the time. :/
Post by: Errol on December 05, 2009, 04:16:46 am
I'll be honest - I don't think your scum. You are coming off to me the same way Diakron and Jim did last game, and neither of them turned out to be scum. but at the moment, are are still far and away the scummiest seeming person here, so I'd like to see you explain yourself. Until then, you've got my vote.
I have no clue. All I can see is that people vote for me because I did something, and that no matter what I do, I'll just end up generating more attention, therefore, more voters. As far as I'm concerned, everything I do is a scumtell. So I just have to see who has the fishiest reason for voting or not voting for me - last part's important too - and that will then hopefully give evidence. I'm expendable. The notes to self were an attempt to show people my thinking process. It didn't work.
Isn't the definition of random voting that it is random? Maybe I should have voted for someone else for an extremely tangible reason.
Ah, right, MagmaDeath, why didn't you vote for me? My vote stays for now.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 05, 2009, 04:30:59 am
All I can see is that people vote for me because I did something, and that no matter what I do, I'll just end up generating more attention, therefore, more voters. As far as I'm concerned, everything I do is a scumtell.
Unhealthy attitude.
Post by: LASD on December 05, 2009, 04:52:05 am
SirBayer, trying to hide in the sidelines? You scum. Share your thoughts on Errol.
P.S. Argh! Org! Get over here!
Post by: Vector on December 05, 2009, 04:54:44 am
Don't lurk, dudes.
Post by: Errol on December 05, 2009, 05:50:45 am
All I can see is that people vote for me because I did something, and that no matter what I do, I'll just end up generating more attention, therefore, more voters. As far as I'm concerned, everything I do is a scumtell.
Unhealthy attitude.
It saves me some nasty surprises.
Post by: dakarian on December 05, 2009, 07:28:56 am
I have no clue. All I can see is that people vote for me because I did something, and that no matter what I do, I'll just end up generating more attention, therefore, more voters. As far as I'm concerned, everything I do is a scumtell. So I just have to see who has the fishiest reason for voting or not voting for me - last part's important too - and that will then hopefully give evidence. I'm expendable. The notes to self were an attempt to show people my thinking process. It didn't work.
Isn't the definition of random voting that it is random? Maybe I should have voted for someone else for an extremely tangible reason.
You have it HALF right.
Everything that you do (and everyone else) IS suspicious to varying degrees. Attacking a person with a well reasoned argument is mildly suspicious but being passive is very suspicious. Attacking with someone is somewhat suspicious while agreeing with someone fully is strongly suspicious while trying to befrend and ally with them is extremely suspicious.
As for feeling expendable.. you got that right fully. Townies are expendable. Trading your life away to guarentee a dead mafia is just about the best anyone can ask for (the BEST is losing your life to destroy both scum).
The way to manage the expendability and constant suspicion isn't to deflate everyone's argument with it. The way to manage it is to remember your goal: to get scum. If you can make every breath you do aimed at finding scum then you are well on your way to victory. This includes encouraging well reasoned attacks done against you. How? Answer all questions, don't try to cover for yourself beforehand even when you know someone will comment on it. Instead, let the argument come and answer to the suspicion.
As far as how to answer to suspicion, the one way that scum can NEVER do: with Honesty and Openness. When they ask why you did what you did, have an answer and an honest one. You had a reason why you did what you did (otherwise, why ARE you doing it?) even if you realize it doesn't work later on. If you make a mistake, own up to it and move forward. You are not just trying to stay alive (remember? you're expendable): you are doing the one act that scum CAN'T do. If everyone followed suit, the scum will be clear like chemical waste in a clean pond.
Btw, the last bit, the "look at those who have poor reasons to vote for me?" Grats on finding the SECOND reason to allow suspicion to fall on you: reading the attacks and using it as a means to scumhunt. I especially like that you struck at the passive one rather than those who had reasons to suspect you. Keep an eye out for Eager Scum trying to get an easy kill on you, Friendly Scum that always want to protect you, and Passive Scum that try to hide in the sidelines.
As for the Randomvote matter. It's Tradition to vote for someone who doesn't have a vote on them. The POINT to RVS, though, is to start discussion, which will give you the evidence you need for real attacks later on. If using a Random Number Generator (sidenote: took me a while to realize you guys weren't talking about a person: BM5 had someone named RandomNumberGenerator) results in more evidence for you then by all means, DO IT!
Post by: dakarian on December 05, 2009, 07:42:18 am
I tried literally pushing the town to lynch me if it meant lynching the person I suspected most (idea: my death would prove I'm town and, thus, remove the "perhaps you're just trying to fool us as scum" arguments). It was a risk I was willing to take. After all, I'm expendable, and a life for a scum is worthwhile. The move didn't carry out fully since the town decided to trust me rather than lynch me, but overall I was able to focus the town against my scummy target.
The result: Turned out my target was the Doctor. What's more, to avoid lynching he ended up claiming (resulting in one quick vote switch minutes before deadline). He died the following night. What's MORE, my gamble pulled suspicion away from one of the true scum and destroyed the conversation afterwards on that day (instead of attacks on everyone, the town focused on me and my target only, letting the scum fade into the town fully). By Day 3, the town was a mess.
So yes, you shouldn't fear dying. You should, however, consider your lynches precious. It only takes 3 town lynches to lose the game after all. Gambles can and do work-I see it all the time-but be sure you realize you gamble with the entire game, not just your expendable life.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 05, 2009, 09:29:54 am
Nirur Torir, LASD makes a good point. You did well last round, so I was wondering - you were on the scum team that won BM5. What mistakes did we make that gave you the biggest advantage, in your opinion, and how could we avoid it this time around?I think it's partially because I dropped so few scumtells. The active townies finally jumped at a faint one near the end of day 3, but they didn't clamp down. A simple explanation and "No, him!" got them back to lynching the suspicious lurker.
Lots of lurkers made it very easy to hide when I was trying not to draw any attention. So long as I lurked less then the other lurkers, I felt secure.
Also, the scumhunting didn't continue much after they were all strongly in favor of lynching somebody.
Magma, you didn't post a question, as though you expect the questions on you to keep coming. I hate to disappoint, so who would you most like as a scumbuddy in this game?
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 05, 2009, 02:26:26 pm
If you can make every breath you do aimed at finding scum then you are well on your way to victory.♫Every breath you take, every move you make♫
Quote from: dakarian
As far as how to answer to suspicion, the one way that scum can NEVER do: with Honesty and Openness.Um. . . this isn't Knights and Knaves. Scum can answer honestly if they're playing in one way-that is, forgetting that they're scum. Then, they'd only be lying if you traced back to "Are you town, or are you acting like town?" That said, town has near-nil incentive to lie, unlike scum, so a lie is 85% scumchance by itself.
Post by: Vector on December 05, 2009, 02:49:55 pm
Quote from: dakarianAs far as how to answer to suspicion, the one way that scum can NEVER do: with Honesty and Openness.Um. . . this isn't Knights and Knaves. Scum can answer honestly if they're playing in one way-that is, forgetting that they're scum. Then, they'd only be lying if you traced back to "Are you town, or are you acting like town?" That said, town has near-nil incentive to lie, unlike scum, so a lie is 85% scumchance by itself.
Hah. If you're good scum, you have one part of your brain constantly generating the townie reason for whatever you're doing, as the other part of your brain subtly tells the townie bit how to checkmate everyone.
You can't ever forget you're scum, but you also can't ever forget that you are a bonafide townie. Keeping those two conflicting ideas in harmony is what makes good scum.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 05, 2009, 03:41:25 pm
Magma, what's the deal with you having logged in earlier and not posting, despite having a simple question on you?
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 03:53:30 pm
Hey, I think I'll try the famous Toony Tunnel, for lots of Fun. Even more Fun because I haven't read any games with examples of it.Oh , I didnt see that. Well, answering it.
Magma, what's the deal with you having logged in earlier and not posting, despite having a simple question on you?
Well, I didn't vote you you beacuse I really dont need to. Its still the RVS, so there really isnt much of a point for me to vote for you.I'll be honest - I don't think your scum. You are coming off to me the same way Diakron and Jim did last game, and neither of them turned out to be scum. but at the moment, are are still far and away the scummiest seeming person here, so I'd like to see you explain yourself. Until then, you've got my vote.
I have no clue. All I can see is that people vote for me because I did something, and that no matter what I do, I'll just end up generating more attention, therefore, more voters. As far as I'm concerned, everything I do is a scumtell. So I just have to see who has the fishiest reason for voting or not voting for me - last part's important too - and that will then hopefully give evidence. I'm expendable. The notes to self were an attempt to show people my thinking process. It didn't work.
Isn't the definition of random voting that it is random? Maybe I should have voted for someone else for an extremely tangible reason.
Ah, right, MagmaDeath, why didn't you vote for me? My vote stays for now.
Oh, there were 2
I would actually like Org, since he has an eternal null tell, and this being a newer game, people probably wouldn't start a policy lynch on him. Though, He might get knocked out anyway.Nirur Torir, LASD makes a good point. You did well last round, so I was wondering - you were on the scum team that won BM5. What mistakes did we make that gave you the biggest advantage, in your opinion, and how could we avoid it this time around?I think it's partially because I dropped so few scumtells. The active townies finally jumped at a faint one near the end of day 3, but they didn't clamp down. A simple explanation and "No, him!" got them back to lynching the suspicious lurker.
Lots of lurkers made it very easy to hide when I was trying not to draw any attention. So long as I lurked less then the other lurkers, I felt secure.
Also, the scumhunting didn't continue much after they were all strongly in favor of lynching somebody.GuysGirls, even if we have a strong lead on somebody, we should probably push on somebody else. Even a weak accusation keeps scum on their toes, and may cause them to make a mistake. When they do, don't just accept their first explanation and move on. That last accusation on me on day 3 made me pretty nervous, even though I tried very hard not to let it show and knew that they were just grasping at straws.
Magma, you didn't post a question, as though you expect the questions on you to keep coming. I hate to disappoint, so who would you most like as a scumbuddy in this game?
Where is he anyway?
Nirur, Why do you want to try using the Toony tunnel?
Failing at using it will just make you look kinda scummy.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 05, 2009, 04:02:44 pm
Nirur, Why do you want to try using the Toony tunnel?In a game of nine players with two scum, a townie picking a target at random on day 1 has a 25% chance of picking a scum. If I do not shift my focus from you, I have a good chance of being wrong, sure. However, if you are scum, it makes it harder for you to subtle manipulate me, and I am not the only one scumhunting.
Failing at using it will just make you look kinda scummy.
Tell me, how is failing at it scummy? I'm not pressing for a lynch, I'm pressing for suspicions.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 04:06:26 pm
Post by: Errol on December 05, 2009, 04:14:05 pm
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 04:47:08 pm
Couldnt post til now.
Magma, why are you deflecting?
Post by: Errol on December 05, 2009, 04:56:13 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 05, 2009, 05:00:21 pm
Good, Org, you're here. And your first post... is mostly excuse, shrugging off the two questions you have on you, and jump on a Bandwagon?
Org, you are scum. So start talking. I'll even make this easy on you and quote the questions you ignored.
Quote from: gryphglyph
Anyways, Org, imagine if you would a world where you got your perfect Bay12 scum team in some high stakes mafia game. Who would they be, and why?
Quote from: LASD
Org, where are you? I'd like you too to answer to this question (if you've read the flavor): Which Ajah color seems the most appealing to you?
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 05, 2009, 05:00:48 pm
UNVOTE
Org
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 07:44:30 pm
UNVOTEMy mafia team? Not Zai. Id even take Magma over Zai.
Good, Org, you're here. And your first post... is mostly excuse, shrugging off the two questions you have on you, and jump on a Bandwagon?
Org, you are scum. So start talking. I'll even make this easy on you and quote the questions you ignored.Quote from: gryphglyphAnyways, Org, imagine if you would a world where you got your perfect Bay12 scum team in some high stakes mafia game. Who would they be, and why?Quote from: LASDOrg, where are you? I'd like you too to answer to this question (if you've read the flavor): Which Ajah color seems the most appealing to you?
Ajah?
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 05, 2009, 08:59:56 pm
Anyways, its nice you'd take Magma over Zai, but I don't know who Zai is and that's not what I asked you.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 05, 2009, 09:02:24 pm
Well, never shifting your focus from one person is really kinda strange, and could be mistaken for scummy by newer players.You seem to be trying to prevent the Toony Tunnel subtly. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't focus on you. My aggressiveness being mistaken as a scumtell by new players does not concern me.
Hmm. You are currently going for the "think of what the newbies will think of you" route... Are there any other reasons to not lynch you? At the moment your position is kind of weak.He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. If you are expecting to be lynched, wouldn't it be better to attack people who are not the target of a Toony Tunnel? Or are you trying to get rid of your own suspicion by joining a bandwagon?
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 05, 2009, 09:08:58 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 05, 2009, 09:14:52 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 05, 2009, 11:43:41 pm
The Toony Tunnel is named for a game where ToonyMan sank Chaoticjosh in an epic and dramatic manner; it's Dakarian's scumhunting guide, taken to 11. You focus on one person until they crack, pretty much.
It has a success rate of 1%.
Post by: dakarian on December 06, 2009, 01:09:55 am
It's a...umm...odd action indeed.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 06, 2009, 01:22:19 am
Lets see:
What are you doing trying a "Toony tunnel" just to cover up your scumminess by explaining it away as part of this tactic most people wouldn't have heard of, and barely ever works?The Toony Tunnel is named for a game where ToonyMan sank Chaoticjosh in an epic and dramatic manner; it's Dakarian's scumhunting guide, taken to 11. You focus on one person until they crack, pretty much.
It has a success rate of 1%.
Lets see what else:
Prevent the subtlety?Well, never shifting your focus from one person is really kinda strange, and could be mistaken for scummy by newer players.You seem to be trying to prevent the Toony Tunnel subtly. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't focus on you. My aggressiveness being mistaken as a scumtell by new players does not concern me.
How would it be subtle when you've announced what you are doing?
As for the agressiveness, It should, scum. Its what is going to get you lynched, along with your BS reasoning.
So,
You're doing this to "Pretend" to scum hunt,
while all you're really doing is being a lazy scum who only feels like bothering about one person.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 06, 2009, 02:17:34 am
Post by: Errol on December 06, 2009, 06:50:25 am
Hmm. You are currently going for the "think of what the newbies will think of you" route... Are there any other reasons to not lynch you? At the moment your position is kind of weak.He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. If you are expecting to be lynched, wouldn't it be better to attack people who are not the target of a Toony Tunnel? Or are you trying to get rid of your own suspicion by joining a bandwagon?
I already explained that I voted for MagmaDeath due to RNG. MagmaDeath is not very suspicious, but he's still at the top of my list until he provides satisfying answers. I really can't tell who here actually is scum, and who isn't of you two, Nirur and Magma. So I'm gonna update my FoS list.
Nirur Torir, please make clear that you aren't jumping on a bandwagon, rather than starting one.
Org, seriously, WTF?
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 06, 2009, 09:40:29 am
Nirur Torir, please make clear that you aren't jumping on a bandwagon, rather than starting one.Because I'm not trying to get Magma lynched day 1. I'll explain in a bit.
What are you doing trying a "Toony tunnel" just to cover up your scumminess by explaining it away as part of this tactic most people wouldn't have heard of, and barely ever works?
Technically, from a townie's point of view, you have a 25% chance of being scum. If you are scum, and I live, I will push you until you make a mistake that makes your scumminess obvious. I'm not completely ignoring the rest of the game, of course.
Prevent the subtlety?Well, never shifting your focus from one person is really kinda strange, and could be mistaken for scummy by newer players.You seem to be trying to prevent the Toony Tunnel subtly. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't focus on you. My aggressiveness being mistaken as a scumtell by new players does not concern me.
How would it be subtle when you've announced what you are doing?
Please re-read my sentence. I never said I was trying to be subtle about it. Answer what I asked.
As for the agressiveness, It should, scum. Its what is going to get you lynched, along with your BS reasoning.
So,
You're doing this to "Pretend" to scum hunt,
while all you're really doing is being a lazy scum who only feels like bothering about one person.
Scum go for lynches with vague, lousy reasons. I am focusing most of my scumhunting efforts on one person, not pushing for a day 1 lynch on
Better to scumhunt on one person rather then allow myself to be manipulated by the scum.
Logically speaking, if everybody tunneled on one different person who didn't have votes on them, we should have a fairly good chance of finding who the scum is.
You seem to be trying to convince me to stop by appealing to my sense of survival, and saying that I'll surely get lynched for aggressiveness if I continue this. Explain, please.
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 10:18:21 am
??!?Hmm. You are currently going for the "think of what the newbies will think of you" route... Are there any other reasons to not lynch you? At the moment your position is kind of weak.He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. If you are expecting to be lynched, wouldn't it be better to attack people who are not the target of a Toony Tunnel? Or are you trying to get rid of your own suspicion by joining a bandwagon?
I already explained that I voted for MagmaDeath due to RNG. MagmaDeath is not very suspicious, but he's still at the top of my list until he provides satisfying answers. I really can't tell who here actually is scum, and who isn't of you two, Nirur and Magma. So I'm gonna update my FoS list.
Nirur Torir, please make clear that you aren't jumping on a bandwagon, rather than starting one.
Org, seriously, WTF?
Post by: dakarian on December 06, 2009, 11:03:52 am
Seems I misunderstood the Toony Tunnel. That's not exactly what I'm doing here - I'm focusing on pushing one person for scumtells.
Picking a person and pushing them is normal Scumhunting, which is what everyone should be doing. ;)
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 06, 2009, 11:52:27 am
Post by: Errol on December 06, 2009, 11:59:44 am
Org, seriously, WTF???!?
You did something so obviously scum that we can assume you are pouring the wine. So I FoS'd you. Simple as that.
B'sides, I have other fish to fry, right now.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 06, 2009, 12:13:14 pm
So Nirur Torir is an EXTREMist. scum!
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 06, 2009, 12:18:44 pm
Also, can we get a vote count?
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 06, 2009, 12:34:57 pm
Rooster, you contribution has been a bit... trivial. We haven't seen you for, what, three days now? And I think your last post was the response to Jim, who isn't even playing.
You ask me one question early on, like day 1. You were friendly and everything... but then you go into lurker mode? You reek of scum that's trying to avoid drawing attention to yourself, with the plausible deniability of "I participated! (...once)". Where have you been? What's your opinion on the situation?
Your profile says you were here earlier, and yet you've added NOTHING to the conversation. What are you up to?
Post by: dakarian on December 06, 2009, 01:54:41 pm
Current Vote Count
Rooster[2]: SirBayer, GlyphGryph
Nirur Torir[1]: MagmaDeath
Errol[1]: CobaltKobold,
MagmaDeath[3]: Nirur Torir, Errol, Org
GlyphGryph[1]: Rooster
SirBayer[1]: LASD
Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST
Post by: Rooster on December 06, 2009, 02:07:46 pm
I have a holiday here.
I seriously have nothing to say now.
I'll look into it on monday
Post by: SirBayer on December 06, 2009, 05:57:28 pm
So I don't see the Errol scum thing, and Magma did this in the last game I played with 'im, and he was town, so I think he's town right now.
I'unno what to think of Rooster, but since he's away...
Unvote.
Vote LASD for NOT HAVING ANY VOTES YOU SINFUL PERSON YOU
YOU SHULD REPENT YOUR SINS
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 06, 2009, 10:08:23 pm
You've been lurking. And when you haven't been lurking, you've been posting fluff (amusing fluff, admittedly). While there may have been a holiday I'm not aware of (likely, all things considered), that doesn't explain why you were on the forums and still not participating. It doesn't explain why you post things like reprimanding the non-player Jim and make statements like "I'll look into on Monday." Are you just hoping I'll forget about you?
You're scum, and you're trying to stay out of the limelight, and I'm not going to let it happen.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 06, 2009, 10:37:52 pm
Org, have you even read the questions leveled at you? If you're not reading, you can't possibly be scumhunting. Scum do not scumhunt. Answer all of the questions leveled at you properly and start scumhunting if you want me to remove my vote.
I don't care if this is your usual playstyle. You're (presumably) in BG6 to learn and improve yourself. Either start improving, or get out.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 06, 2009, 10:40:17 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 07, 2009, 12:42:04 am
Hello again. I've been away. ._.
So I don't see the Errol scum thing, and Magma did this in the last game I played with 'im, and he was town, so I think he's town right now.
I'unno what to think of Rooster, but since he's away...
Unvote.
Vote LASD for NOT HAVING ANY VOTES YOU SINFUL PERSON YOU
YOU SHULD REPENT YOUR SINS
Wrong. If he isn't htere, you stay on him to force him to come back.
Post by: LASD on December 07, 2009, 05:17:52 am
Vote LASD[/color] for NOT HAVING ANY VOTES YOU SINFUL PERSON YOUWait, what?
YOU SHULD REPENT YOUR SINS
Or, wait, are you voting for me because I don't have votes on me? You should really back that up with a real accusation or a question. Now you're just voting for your voter (or OMGUSing) which is another scummy thing to do. My vote stays.
Though Org is a serious competitor. Come on:
??!?That's not a post, especially in Mafia. If you're confused about something, state it clearly, being vague is only beneficial to scum. Also, just skimming over the thread isn't helping the town.
Post by: Rooster on December 07, 2009, 08:26:19 am
Agressivness killed me last game day 1.
Why did you change your tactic?
Are you tunneling me?
Because I'm not active you think I'm an easy target?
The fact that you voted me after I voted you doesn't give you much credibility.
(Read: Scum flips out when somebody votes them)
My earlier posts were a part of random voting.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 07, 2009, 09:40:26 am
Why did you change your tactic?From last game? In case you didn't notice, I was out early and town lost. Why wouldn't I change my tactics? Anyways, I've been pretty clear my goal in these games is to learn - If I wasn't changing, then I wouldn't be learning very well, would I?
Are you tunneling me?Two posts, and suddenly I'm tunneling you? Defensive much? You're looking scummy, I'm asking you questions and pushing you. That's not tunneling - that's scumhunting. You think it would be better if we all just sat back and tried your tactic of making fluff posts and being passive?
Because I'm not active you think I'm an easy target?No, I'm going after you because you seem like scum. If I'm not allowed to go after people because they seem like scum, when SHOULD I go after people? I started riding you because Errol answered my questions to my satisfaction, and dealing with Org is apparently an exercise in frustration, and a lack of good hunting is what got town killed last game.
Now, though, I'm riding you because you're acting just like scum.
The fact that you voted me after I voted you doesn't give you much credibility.Is that your defense? I should ignore your scumminess because you random voted for me a couple days ago? It's not like you were pushing the attack on me, trying to get me lynched - in fact, you were doing the opposite. You voted for me and then hid. You're scum, and I'm not gonna let that vote stop me from calling you out.
Post by: Rooster on December 07, 2009, 10:02:43 am
Just remember that you are a hypocrite.
You posted earlier that town shouldn't go after lurkers.
Unvote, Vote Nirur Torir
Who would be your favourite scum buddy?
In case this was answered, then why did you vote Org, when you have huge chance he'll just ignore you?
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 07, 2009, 10:21:01 am
I wasn't aware of the Org situation, actually. I only recently read some threads that had him in them. Kind of part of the reason I'm not voting him anymore.
And I said we shouldn't lynch people just for being passive/lurking - I still agree. That's why I'm not trying to lynch Org (yet, anyways, hopefully something else will come up) If that's the only reason you have going into a lynch, thats stupid. But I ALSO said "Don't passive/lurk!" because we need people scumhunting. But it wasn't even lurking that tipped me off to you - it was the way you were doing it. There are plenty of other people not posting much - But you, you weren't just lurking. You were acting like scum, so I questioned you - and now you're still acting like scum.
So now you're just going to sit there and ignore me? And then change your vote to someone else, with no stated reasons and a weak question?
So here's an actual question for you - You said it was being aggressive that got you killed, so you're changing your strategy. What IS your new strategy? Because the only strategy I'm seeing is "Please don't look at me. Move along. I'm nothing special" which is one of the scummiest strategies a person could have.
Post by: Rooster on December 07, 2009, 10:56:08 am
Post by: Rooster on December 07, 2009, 10:58:58 am
So yeah, I'm putting on the ignore mode on you and see if I can come up with good questions as scum radar.
Post by: Errol on December 07, 2009, 11:15:04 am
I don't see any real reason to change my vote from Magma, unless he'll finally post something.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 07, 2009, 11:58:36 am
Unvote, Vote Nirur TorirFavored scumbuddy of those here: Probably Errol, because I feel I'm best acquainted with him.
Who would be your favourite scum buddy?
In case this was answered, then why did you vote Org, when you have huge chance he'll just ignore you?
As to why I voted Org ... Why not? After reading his posts in BM7 and the first BM6 thread, I'm largely in favor of policy-lynching Org until he posts like he's actually playing.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 07, 2009, 12:06:31 pm
Post by: LASD on December 07, 2009, 01:00:59 pm
Look, we can always use Org as a meatshield.Eeh, I'm not really sure how you can use someone as a meatshield as the Mafia chooses the victim. Org is the last they will kill, no scumhunting to worry about, just a vote to manipulate. Not that lynching him would be necessarily beneficial to the town. Still, there's a chance he'll be more useful for the mafia than the town for the aforementioned reasons.
Also, there's the chance he is scum and I'm close to voting him.
Post by: Errol on December 07, 2009, 03:39:15 pm
Look, we can always use Org as a meatshield.Eeh, I'm not really sure how you can use someone as a meatshield as the Mafia chooses the victim. Org is the last they will kill, no scumhunting to worry about, just a vote to manipulate. Not that lynching him would be necessarily beneficial to the town. Still, there's a chance he'll be more useful for the mafia than the town for the aforementioned reasons.
Also, there's the chance he is scum and I'm close to voting him.
So it's just policylynch -> Org. Eh, whatever, can't blame you.
Post by: Rooster on December 07, 2009, 03:42:07 pm
Unvote
Magma Death
You always act odd in every mafia I've seen you.
why?
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 07, 2009, 04:48:49 pm
Post by: dakarian on December 07, 2009, 05:48:53 pm
Rooster[1]: GlyphGryph
Errol[1]: CobaltKobold
MagmaDeath[3]: Errol, Org, Rooster
SirBayer[1]: LASD
LASD[1]: SirBayer
Org[2]: MagmaDeath, Nirur Torir
Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST
Post by: SirBayer on December 07, 2009, 05:53:21 pm
Vote LASD[/color] for NOT HAVING ANY VOTES YOU SINFUL PERSON YOUWait, what?
YOU SHULD REPENT YOUR SINSCheck 2 posts up from yours or my last post, I'm voting you for hiding in the sidelines. Now I'm voting for you also for not paying attention, thus causing confusion.
Or, wait, are you voting for me because I don't have votes on me? You should really back that up with a real accusation or a question. Now you're just voting for your voter (or OMGUSing) which is another scummy thing to do. My vote stays.
Though Org is a serious competitor. Come on:??!?That's not a post, especially in Mafia. If you're confused about something, state it clearly, being vague is only beneficial to scum. Also, just skimming over the thread isn't helping the town.
Oh, wow. Have a look at that over-reaction. That over-reaction is actually remarkable, scumbucket.
I'm random-voting. Relax or taste sweet, sweet,
So why the over-reaction? (Thanks for a question to ask, scumbucket!)
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 07, 2009, 05:54:20 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 07, 2009, 06:18:13 pm
Look, we can always use Org as a meatshield later.It has been said many times that only a fool would NK Org...your suggesting they would is not good for the town, (unchanged)Errol. WIFOM for later?
Apparently it has been said again.Look, we can always use Org as a meatshield.Eeh, I'm not really sure how you can use someone as a meatshield as the Mafia chooses the victim. Org is the last they will kill, no scumhunting to worry about, just a vote to manipulate. Not that lynching him would be necessarily beneficial to the town. Still, there's a chance he'll be more useful for the mafia than the town for the aforementioned reasons.
Also, there's the chance he is scum and I'm close to voting him.
So why the over-reaction? (Thanks for a question to ask, scumbucket!)Why do you need others to give you questions? Can you not scumhunt on your own, SirBayer?
Post by: LASD on December 07, 2009, 06:26:44 pm
Oh, wow. Have a look at that over-reaction. That over-reaction is actually remarkable, scumbucket.Well even if you're randomvoting, it's good to have a question or something to get information on. Especially against someone who already has his vote on you. (Though I guess this once you can say you got some info exactly by not having anything to go on) And the slight overreaction was caused by me first thinking that you claimed I hadn't voted for anybody and so you wouldn't have been paying attention at all. The tone somewhat spilled over to the rest of the post.
I'm random-voting. Relax or taste sweet, sweet,chocolatey fudgerich dark chocolatedark, dark fecesdeath.
So why the over-reaction? (Thanks for a question to ask, scumbucket!)
Errol, you defending Org is a bit suspicious. Also you say we have bigger fish, do you mean that as a plural? Apart from Magmadeath, who are you talking about?
And MagmaDeath, you're getting more suspicious every hour you're not answering questions.
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 06:35:04 pm
No.Look, we can always use Org as a meatshield.Eeh, I'm not really sure how you can use someone as a meatshield as the Mafia chooses the victim. Org is the last they will kill, no scumhunting to worry about, just a vote to manipulate. Not that lynching him would be necessarily beneficial to the town. Still, there's a chance he'll be more useful for the mafia than the town for the aforementioned reasons.
Also, there's the chance he is scum and I'm close to voting him.
So it's just policylynch -> Org. Eh, whatever, can't blame you.
Unvote. FoS Magma. I'm still focusing on you, but my vote is needed elsewhere for now.Ive been working. Scum do scumhunt. Ill try.
Org, have you even read the questions leveled at you? If you're not reading, you can't possibly be scumhunting. Scum do not scumhunt. Answer all of the questions leveled at you properly and start scumhunting if you want me to remove my vote.
I don't care if this is your usual playstyle. You're (presumably) in BG6 to learn and improve yourself. Either start improving, or get out.
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 06:35:58 pm
What did I do?Org, seriously, WTF???!?
You did something so obviously scum that we can assume you are pouring the wine. So I FoS'd you. Simple as that.
B'sides, I have other fish to fry, right now.
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 06:37:33 pm
UNVOTEAIm here. Whats Ajah
Good, Org, you're here. And your first post... is mostly excuse, shrugging off the two questions you have on you, and jump on a Bandwagon?
Org, you are scum. So start talking. I'll even make this easy on you and quote the questions you ignored.Quote from: gryphglyphAnyways, Org, imagine if you would a world where you got your perfect Bay12 scum team in some high stakes mafia game. Who would they be, and why?Not Zai.Anyone else is fine.Quote from: LASDOrg, where are you? I'd like you too to answer to this question (if you've read the flavor): Which Ajah color seems the most appealing to you?
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 07, 2009, 06:43:31 pm
Spoiler: For those big on story details. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 06:45:50 pm
I HAVE THE POWER
Literally
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 07, 2009, 07:02:19 pm
Yeah, I wasn't here...Oh, wow. Have a look at that over-reaction. That over-reaction is actually remarkable, scumbucket.Well even if you're randomvoting, it's good to have a question or something to get information on. Especially against someone who already has his vote on you. (Though I guess this once you can say you got some info exactly by not having anything to go on) And the slight overreaction was caused by me first thinking that you claimed I hadn't voted for anybody and so you wouldn't have been paying attention at all. The tone somewhat spilled over to the rest of the post.
I'm random-voting. Relax or taste sweet, sweet,chocolatey fudgerich dark chocolatedark, dark fecesdeath.
So why the over-reaction? (Thanks for a question to ask, scumbucket!)
Errol, you defending Org is a bit suspicious. Also you say we have bigger fish, do you mean that as a plural? Apart from Magmadeath, who are you talking about?
And MagmaDeath, you're getting more suspicious every hour you're not answering questions.
Magma, you were on for at least 40 minutes earlier. Get in here and answer my questions.I did not see said questions. Can you please point them out?
Indeed.Well, I was thinking about how I should answer this.
Unvote
Magma Death
You always act odd in every mafia I've seen you.
why?
I really cant.
I guess I just have a different playstyle than you or some such,
I cant really say much more than that without you defining how I am Odd
Rooster Please define Odd, and explain why you are jumping onto my bandwagon
Same with you Org
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 07, 2009, 07:20:04 pm
Seems I misunderstood the Toony Tunnel. That's not exactly what I'm doing here - I'm focusing on pushing one person for scumtells. Let's see ...Nirur Torir, please make clear that you aren't jumping on a bandwagon, rather than starting one.Because I'm not trying to get Magma lynched day 1. I'll explain in a bit.What are you doing trying a "Toony tunnel" just to cover up your scumminess by explaining it away as part of this tactic most people wouldn't have heard of, and barely ever works?
Technically, from a townie's point of view, you have a 25% chance of being scum. If you are scum, and I live, I will push you until you make a mistake that makes your scumminess obvious. I'm not completely ignoring the rest of the game, of course.Prevent the subtlety?Well, never shifting your focus from one person is really kinda strange, and could be mistaken for scummy by newer players.You seem to be trying to prevent the Toony Tunnel subtly. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't focus on you. My aggressiveness being mistaken as a scumtell by new players does not concern me.
How would it be subtle when you've announced what you are doing?
Please re-read my sentence. I never said I was trying to be subtle about it. Answer what I asked.As for the agressiveness, It should, scum. Its what is going to get you lynched, along with your BS reasoning.
So,
You're doing this to "Pretend" to scum hunt,
while all you're really doing is being a lazy scum who only feels like bothering about one person.
Scum go for lynches with vague, lousy reasons. I am focusing most of my scumhunting efforts on one person, not pushing for a day 1 lynch onhimher. However, I do expect scum to try to jump on board and push for a lynch on one of us.
Better to scumhunt on one person rather then allow myself to be manipulated by the scum.
Logically speaking, if everybody tunneled on one different person who didn't have votes on them, we should have a fairly good chance of finding who the scum is.
You seem to be trying to convince me to stop by appealing to my sense of survival, and saying that I'll surely get lynched for aggressiveness if I continue this. Explain, please.
Post by: dakarian on December 07, 2009, 07:59:32 pm
Although you are NOT allowed to PM each other, you ARE allowed to PM the ICs to discuss various matters.
Note that you are NOT allowed to talk about what role you are or what your Role PM says to them.
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 08:00:02 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 07, 2009, 09:18:15 pm
But you didn't.
It feels like you're just hopping around looking for an easy target, and settling on Magma after you couldn't get anything to stick to Nirur seems pretty convenient. Or maybe he's drawing so much attention you're getting desperate enough to bus a partner first round?
So go ahead, ignore me. Try to draw attention away from yourself all you want. But you are scum.
Of course, there's more than one scum, so... Magmadeath, Org, what the hell? Seriously? I'm not gonna lynch either of you day 1 for lurking, and I don't want to have to lynch ANYONE for passivelurking, but you've had extended periods of silence with weak content when you posted.
Magmadeath in particular, your lurking and vague answers are making you look even more suspicious than org at this point. You are officially on my list. And like I said to rooster, its not THAT your lurking, its the WAY your lurking.
And Org, are your posts always geared expressly towards frustrating every other player in the game? Or do you just do that when you're scum?
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 09:57:02 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 07, 2009, 11:58:17 pm
I did not see said questions. Can you please point them out?You gave me insomnia. I cannot figure out a single half-believable reason for a townie to not notice a question pointed at him at the bottom of a post answering questions he asked.
Unvote Org. Vote MagmaDeath.
Post by: Errol on December 08, 2009, 02:35:45 am
Look, we can always use Org as a meatshield later.It has been said many times that only a fool would NK Org...your suggesting they would is not good for the town, (unchanged)Errol. WIFOM for later?
That post 'bout Org is something where I should have thought before posting. Oh well.
My point is, if Org was scum, he'd be a nonfactor just as well, and could safely be saved for later. 'Meatshield' was a bad euphemism.
'Bigger fish' relates to MagmaDeath, and the possible other scumbags out there we will want Day 2 for. If we still don't have a lead, we can always lynch Org.
Post by: Rooster on December 08, 2009, 07:37:48 am
Magma Death: You're playing a mind game against us all. You say much, but with little content (*COUGHI'MAHYPOCRITECOUGH*) and you avoided Nirur's question supposedly.
Why are you voting Org? Do you think he's scum or it's a policy lynch?
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 08, 2009, 12:48:50 pm
Glyph Gryph: When one locates a scum then that person tries to convince town to vote for tthat person. Do that.I'm not voting Org, And never was.
Magma Death: You're playing a mind game against us all. You say much, but with little content (*COUGHI'MAHYPOCRITECOUGH*) and you avoided Nirur's question supposedly.
Why are you voting Org? Do you think he's scum or it's a policy lynch?
I've been voting for Nirur Torir Since the beguining, And I didnt see these questions as they were strangely worded.
Now that I see them
Seems I misunderstood the Toony Tunnel. That's not exactly what I'm doing here - I'm focusing on pushing one person for scumtells. Let's see ...Well, One good reason is that is it a complete waste of time, As I am not scum.Nirur Torir, please make clear that you aren't jumping on a bandwagon, rather than starting one.Because I'm not trying to get Magma lynched day 1. I'll explain in a bit.What are you doing trying a "Toony tunnel" just to cover up your scumminess by explaining it away as part of this tactic most people wouldn't have heard of, and barely ever works?
Technically, from a townie's point of view, you have a 25% chance of being scum. If you are scum, and I live, I will push you until you make a mistake that makes your scumminess obvious. I'm not completely ignoring the rest of the game, of course.Prevent the subtlety?Well, never shifting your focus from one person is really kinda strange, and could be mistaken for scummy by newer players.You seem to be trying to prevent the Toony Tunnel subtly. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't focus on you. My aggressiveness being mistaken as a scumtell by new players does not concern me.
How would it be subtle when you've announced what you are doing?
Please re-read my sentence. I never said I was trying to be subtle about it. Answer what I asked.
Another reason is that you are inducing tunnel vision onto yourself, Though since you're scum, That dosen't really matter from your point of view.
Next question
I'm saying that you are Scum.As for the agressiveness, It should, scum. Its what is going to get you lynched, along with your BS reasoning.
So,
You're doing this to "Pretend" to scum hunt,
while all you're really doing is being a lazy scum who only feels like bothering about one person.
Scum go for lynches with vague, lousy reasons. I am focusing most of my scumhunting efforts on one person, not pushing for a day 1 lynch onhimher. However, I do expect scum to try to jump on board and push for a lynch on one of us.
Better to scumhunt on one person rather then allow myself to be manipulated by the scum.
Logically speaking, if everybody tunneled on one different person who didn't have votes on them, we should have a fairly good chance of finding who the scum is.
You seem to be trying to convince me to stop by appealing to my sense of survival, and saying that I'll surely get lynched for aggressiveness if I continue this. Explain, please.
Your're agressiveness is you trying to make everyone forget how you OMGUSd me, then stated that you were going to try the toony tunnel to confuse them.
You've managed to deflect all you're suspision onto me, And you're good at scum because of that.
You got one of your scumbuddies to jump onto me with you, after stating that you didnt want people to lynch me, So you woudent look connected.
See how this works?
Rooster, Feel like saying how I'm acting odd?
You just blatently ignored my answer to your question.
Post by: dakarian on December 08, 2009, 01:24:43 pm
Rooster[1]: GlyphGryph
Errol[1]: CobaltKobold
MagmaDeath[4]: Errol, Org, Rooster, Nirur Torir
SirBayer[1]: LASD
LASD[1]: SirBayer
Org[1]: MagmaDeath
Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST
There is less than 8 hours remaining to the end of the day.
4 requests to extend will be required to extend day.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 08, 2009, 01:39:56 pm
... and you think I'm scum purely because I'm focusing most of my efforts on attacking you? Uh-huh.
I wasn't pushing a lynch on you before, as I wasn't convinced of you being scum. Now I am.
Quote
Please re-read my sentence. I never said I was trying to be subtle about it. Answer what I asked.
I still don't believe that you just didn't notice that was a question. You were delaying. You are quite clearly scum; the vote stays.
(Also, it's not true tunnel vision. I just cannot effectively watch everybody - watching one person closely while watching the rest of the game is quite doable though.)
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 08, 2009, 03:36:10 pm
Interesting that you feel me scumhunting you is a waste of time. Know who else considers other players scumhunting them to be a waste of time? Scum.actually, town shouldn't think it's a waste of time. Anyone can be scum after all, and only oneself knows one's towniness.
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(Also, it's not true tunnel vision. I just cannot effectively watch everybody - watching one person closely while watching the rest of the game is quite doable though.)That...is tunnel vision.
MagmaDeath: Got a claim before your apparent lynch?
Post by: SirBayer on December 08, 2009, 07:35:05 pm
Oh, wow. Have a look at that over-reaction. That over-reaction is actually remarkable, scumbucket.Well even if you're randomvoting, it's good to have a question or something to get information on. Especially against someone who already has his vote on you. (Though I guess this once you can say you got some info exactly by not having anything to go on) And the slight overreaction was caused by me first thinking that you claimed I hadn't voted for anybody and so you wouldn't have been paying attention at all. The tone somewhat spilled over to the rest of the post.
I'm random-voting. Relax or taste sweet, sweet,chocolatey fudgerich dark chocolatedark, dark fecesdeath.
So why the over-reaction? (Thanks for a question to ask, scumbucket!)
Errol, you defending Org is a bit suspicious. Also you say we have bigger fish, do you mean that as a plural? Apart from Magmadeath, who are you talking about?
And MagmaDeath, you're getting more suspicious every hour you're not answering questions.
And then LASD just drops right off the map. That slight accusation turned you off, scumbucket.
Post by: Org on December 08, 2009, 07:36:45 pm
Current Vote Count
Rooster[1]: GlyphGryph
Errol[1]: CobaltKobold
MagmaDeath[4]: Errol, Org, Rooster, Nirur Torir
SirBayer[1]: LASD
LASD[1]: SirBayer
Org[1]: MagmaDeath
Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST
There is less than 8 hours remaining to the end of the day.
4 requests to extend will be required to extend day.
Quote from: Magma
I'm not voting Org, And never was.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 08, 2009, 07:44:48 pm
Note: Attendance is made more lax in the weekends. That is alright so long as you show up on Monday.
Current Vote Count
Rooster[2]: SirBayer, GlyphGryph
Nirur Torir[1]: MagmaDeath
Errol[1]: CobaltKobold,
MagmaDeath[3]: Nirur Torir, Errol, Org
GlyphGryph[1]: Rooster
SirBayer[1]: LASD
Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST
Current Vote CountBetween these two votecounts exist no posts by Magmadeath I see. Conclusion: Moderator error.
Rooster[1]: GlyphGryph
Errol[1]: CobaltKobold
MagmaDeath[3]: Errol, Org, Rooster
SirBayer[1]: LASD
LASD[1]: SirBayer
Org[2]: MagmaDeath, Nirur Torir
Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 08, 2009, 08:04:01 pm
Quote from: Rooster
Glyph Gryph: When one locates a scum then that person tries to convince town to vote for tthat person. Do that.
Seriously? Are you seriously going to try to WIFOM me like that?
Going by the scumhunting guide, I think I'm essentially at step three by this point. I'm convinced you're scum, and Ive been pulling out and pointing out the evidence I see so that others can see it in addition to seeing how you respond, but I honestly am not really sure what to do next. So I think I'm just going to take your advice, and call your little bluff. You are scum, and I think we should lynch you.
Here's the evidence I've pulled together so far.
You have-
Posted a single rv, then dissapeared for days except for a minor fluff post. Just like a scum trying to stay of the radar.
Shrugged off my questions and refused to defend yourself. Called me a hypocrite for going after you, as if that was a defense. If you are town, why wouldn't you defend yourself? If you weren't going to defend yourself, why didn't you at least spend some time hunting?
Did very little scumhunting, despite the fact that you appear to be following what's going on. The little bit you did (voted for and asked relatively weak questions first of Nirur, then of Magma) were both targeted against someone ALREADY under scrutiny from someone else at the time (Errol, and Nirur, respectively). I'm betting they seemed like easy targets to give you some scumhunting "participated" cred, but jumping on bandwagons isn't hunting.
And then you pretty much asked me to push a lynch on you. Town or scum, I have no idea why you would do that, and I'll be honest - that scares me. It certainly seems more scum than town, any way you look at it.
Rooster, you are 100% scum, and I think we should lynch you.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 08, 2009, 08:37:27 pm
Post by: dakarian on December 08, 2009, 11:53:42 pm
Sidenote: All names that are used are made to suit the story. Read nothing from it.
As the day wears on, MagmaDeath turns to see Errol's tilted green eyes stare at her. With a frown, she turns back into the conversation. Hours later, she notices those green eyes. It made her feel like a puzzle Errol was trying to solve. Eventually, MagmaDeath couldn't take it, "Did you fall asleep with your eyes open, Errol?"
Errol tilted her head slightly at the question before answering with one of her own, "Why don't I remember you being there when Litia was killed? Dakarian says we were all nearby, but..."
"I was near the other end of the hall from you. I just came from my room." MagmaDeath replied before ignoring the other woman.
"Ahh" Errol said, half to herself, "now it makes sense." Suddenly, the others see a glow coming from Errol-a sign that she has embraced the One Power-and in a heartbeat she struck: flows of Air to tie up MagmaDeath, another flow of Spirit to Shield-block someone else's use of the Power-and a third of Air used as a club across the head to knock the woman out.
In the next moment, all of the remaining Aes Sedai had embraced the power, shielding and tying up Error. Outrage and yelling all mixed together, making it impossible to hear any one of them. Errol merely nodded to herself, then turned to frown at the others. "If everyone would calm down, you'd all see just how much it makes logical sense."
Nirur Torir walked up to Errol, making a hushing motion towards the others. "We..need you to explain before it can make sense to us, Errol. Why does it makes sense to attack MagmaDeath so shamelessly?"
Errol sighed before answering, "When I channeled at MagmaDeath, everyone saw what I was doing, right?" she continued before Nirur Torir could nod, "That's because I was beside you. We all know that you cannot channel that close without everyone seeing the flows you use and where they came from." She nodded to the doorway behind MagmaDeath's fallen form. Nodded since the rest of her body could not move an inch, "If I were from behind far enough and channeled small enough, you wouldn't know exactly where it came from, just that someone channeled nearby in a Tower full of channeling Aes Sedai. If MagmaDeath left her room, it would place her in just that spot. Everyone else was in sight of each other so if any of us did it we would see."
The tilted eyed woman seemed close to smiling satisfactory, the closest anyone has seen to her showing a strong emotion "There is only one solution then, MagmaDeath killed Litia, and so, MagmaDeath is Black Ajah."
By the time MagmaDeath awoke, she found herself in a dank prison cell, no longer tied with Air but still Shielded. She noticed a small note. After reading it, her face-which started to show panic-curved into a small smile instead. "It's not over" she muttered to herself.
MagmaDeath, Mafioso, has been lynched.
It is now Night. Those with night roles, send me your choices.
Post by: dakarian on December 09, 2009, 11:37:38 pm
Earlier, Webadict had told the group that she was visiting SirBayer when she found her friend dead on the floor of her room. Now, however, she is too racked with tears to say anything intelligible. The rest of the information is clear, however. SirBayer was strangled with the One Power: residues of the flows show that she was Shielded then her mouth and nose were blocked until she died.
As the group leave the scene, the situation is clear: there is another killer among them.
SirBayer, Cop, has been killed in the night.
Survivors:
CobaltKobold
Org
Errol
Nirur Torir
GlyphGryph
Rooster
LASD
Deadline: Friday, 9pm EST.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 09, 2009, 11:44:29 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 10, 2009, 12:05:13 am
You can always get a cop lynched, unlike a doctor.(Sidenote: This is funny. Because they lynched him last time in BM4 when he was doctor.)
Sir Bayer: My ultra male nickname means nothing. See my long hair?...I resent the implications and missed the buddying the first time around. Plus side, we caught scum. However, your buffoonery is less important in my eyes than another, Rooster.
PS I'm a trannyjk
Cobald Kobold cause (s)he's the best
Glyph Gryph your avatar.... eigher you're a woman, or a tranny
(don't worry I have a girly avatar too.)
Hey, I think I'll try the famous Toony Tunnel, for lots of Fun. Even more Fun because I haven't read any games with examples of it.And, though the DF online manual is no more, so I can't link to the page w/Losing is Fun, this is clearly a statement intending to Lose.
Magma, what's the deal with you having logged in earlier and not posting, despite having a simple question on you?
Additionlly, weak attack on known scum...
Well, never shifting your focus from one person is really kinda strange, and could be mistaken for scummy by newer players.Magmadeath responds with a "You're doing something wrong but you're not scum."
Seems I misunderstood the Toony Tunnel. That's not exactly what I'm doing here - I'm focusing on pushing one person for scumtells. Let's see ...bolded: a "BTW I'm Town" scumtell.Nirur Torir, please make clear that you aren't jumping on a bandwagon, rather than starting one.Because I'm not trying to get Magma lynched day 1. I'll explain in a bit.What are you doing trying a "Toony tunnel" just to cover up your scumminess by explaining it away as part of this tactic most people wouldn't have heard of, and barely ever works?
Technically, from a townie's point of view, you have a 25% chance of being scum. If you are scum, and I live, I will push you until you make a mistake that makes your scumminess obvious. I'm not completely ignoring the rest of the game, of course.
Unvote. FoS Magma. I'm still focusing on you, but my vote is needed elsewhere for now.AAaand yeah, there's the pull-off/wristslap/wink wink nudge nudge. "I'm focusing on you but my vote is needed elsewhere"? Seriously?
Org, have you even read the questions leveled at you? If you're not reading, you can't possibly be scumhunting. Scum do not scumhunt. Answer all of the questions leveled at you properly and start scumhunting if you want me to remove my vote.
I don't care if this is your usual playstyle. You're (presumably) in BG6 to learn and improve yourself. Either start improving, or get out.
"Hmm, Magma's not looking so hot. Bus time now!"I did not see said questions. Can you please point them out?You gave me insomnia. I cannot figure out a single half-believable reason for a townie to not notice a question pointed at him at the bottom of a post answering questions he asked.
Unvote Org. Vote MagmaDeath.
Nirur Torir, you are one half of a pair of snake eyes. You killed SirBayer. Prepare to die.
If you wish to live, explain your actions.
Post by: LASD on December 10, 2009, 02:46:59 am
Meh, have to leave for work, I'll see if I can post some voting analysis from there. If not, I'll be back in the evening.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 10, 2009, 07:52:46 am
I'd been weakly attacking her throughout day 1. It worked, eventually getting her to crack.You can always get a cop lynched, unlike a doctor.(Sidenote: This is funny. Because they lynched him last time in BM4 when he was doctor.)Sir Bayer: My ultra male nickname means nothing. See my long hair?...I resent the implications and missed the buddying the first time around. Plus side, we caught scum. However, your buffoonery is less important in my eyes than another, Rooster.
PS I'm a trannyjk
Cobald Kobold cause (s)he's the best
Glyph Gryph your avatar.... eigher you're a woman, or a tranny
(don't worry I have a girly avatar too.)Hey, I think I'll try the famous Toony Tunnel, for lots of Fun. Even more Fun because I haven't read any games with examples of it.And, though the DF online manual is no more, so I can't link to the page w/Losing is Fun, this is clearly a statement intending to Lose.
Magma, what's the deal with you having logged in earlier and not posting, despite having a simple question on you?
Additionlly, weak attack on known scum...
True enough, but I felt my statement important enough at the time to make it anyway.Well, never shifting your focus from one person is really kinda strange, and could be mistaken for scummy by newer players.Magmadeath responds with a "You're doing something wrong but you're not scum."Seems I misunderstood the Toony Tunnel. That's not exactly what I'm doing here - I'm focusing on pushing one person for scumtells. Let's see ...bolded: a "BTW I'm Town" scumtell.Nirur Torir, please make clear that you aren't jumping on a bandwagon, rather than starting one.Because I'm not trying to get Magma lynched day 1. I'll explain in a bit.What are you doing trying a "Toony tunnel" just to cover up your scumminess by explaining it away as part of this tactic most people wouldn't have heard of, and barely ever works?
Technically, from a townie's point of view, you have a 25% chance of being scum. If you are scum, and I live, I will push you until you make a mistake that makes your scumminess obvious. I'm not completely ignoring the rest of the game, of course.
You'll note that I continued questioning her at roughly the same rate. That Org vote was to try to pressure her into doing something.Unvote. FoS Magma. I'm still focusing on you, but my vote is needed elsewhere for now.AAaand yeah, there's the pull-off/wristslap/wink wink nudge nudge. "I'm focusing on you but my vote is needed elsewhere"? Seriously?
Org, have you even read the questions leveled at you? If you're not reading, you can't possibly be scumhunting. Scum do not scumhunt. Answer all of the questions leveled at you properly and start scumhunting if you want me to remove my vote.
I don't care if this is your usual playstyle. You're (presumably) in BG6 to learn and improve yourself. Either start improving, or get out.
I lack the self confidence to pull off a full-game focus on my scumbuddy, especially while knowing that not keeping it up after outright stating it was a full-game focus would be suicide."Hmm, Magma's not looking so hot. Bus time now!"I did not see said questions. Can you please point them out?You gave me insomnia. I cannot figure out a single half-believable reason for a townie to not notice a question pointed at him at the bottom of a post answering questions he asked.
Unvote Org. Vote MagmaDeath.
Nirur Torir, you are one half of a pair of snake eyes. You killed SirBayer. Prepare to die.
If you wish to live, explain your actions.
-----
Indeed.Rooster, that's obviously an excuse to join the bandwagon to bus your partner.
Unvote
Magma Death
You always act odd in every mafia I've seen you.
why?
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 08:17:22 am
Rooster, I have a question for you: how did you know that Bayer was the cop?At first you surprised me with this, but then I realised that you think I'm scum.
Rooster, that's obviously an excuse to join the bandwagon to bus your partner.
Of course it is! Especially day one! Make myself already look suspicious asshole and bus my partner and all at day one! You're so smart! Can I have your babyz?
Glyph Gryph: Don't assume I'm WIFOM'ing. It's an experiment. And really take my advice. Convince people to lynch me. That vents anger, or so I heard.
Nirur Torir. You assumed I knew Magma Death is scum. Consider that I'm copying Org in this game ok?
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 10, 2009, 08:24:10 am
Copying Org is ... not easily considered desirable.
Post by: dakarian on December 10, 2009, 08:44:37 am
Nirur Torir: CobaltKobold, Rooster
Not Voting:
Org
Errol
GlyphGryph
LASD
Deadline: Friday, 9pm EST
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 09:06:49 am
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 10, 2009, 09:51:13 am
You are the other scum.
Post by: LASD on December 10, 2009, 09:51:55 am
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MagmaDeath voted Nirur Torir and never changed, just FoSed Rooster and Org.
MagmaDeath got the votes of Nirur Torir, Errol, Org, Rooster and Nirur Torir again in that order. MagmaDeath got FoSed by Nirur Torir, me and GlyphGryph in that order.
So, SirBayer and CobaltKobold were the only ones who never pointed fingers at MagmaDeath.
CobaltKobold, didn't MagmaDeath seem suspicious to you?
I'm seriously WIFOMed about Nirur Torir. Tunneling your scumbuddy on day 1 seems like a horrible move, why I'd never think he'd be scum, but that would make it an excellent move. Nirur Torir, you've made me confused. And the cocky attitude isn't helping:
Oh, good. I was afraid I would be auto-assumed as town.Why would you say that, unless you're scum looking for a challenge?
And Rooster whatever side you're on, saying these kind of things isn't good for you and generally forces the town to a mislynch. The other non-ignorable option is amazingly bad play by Mafia, though given the nature of the game, bad play can be good.Rooster, that's obviously an excuse to join the bandwagon to bus your partner.
Of course it is! Especially day one! Make myself already look suspicious asshole and bus my partner and all at day one! You're so smart! Can I have your babyz?
Glyph Gryph: Don't assume I'm WIFOM'ing. It's an experiment. And really take my advice. Convince people to lynch me. That vents anger, or so I heard.
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 10:24:04 am
And the most hated. So far I've seen nothing but success. I've tried to be the biggest asshole I could and what? Nothing happened. No villagers coming at me with torches. Lynch me or not I don't care, I got what I wanted
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I'm going to continue less Org'y, but still assholery and see how a non-lurking Org would fare at this game. It's a beginners mafia, and gathering knowledge is more important to me than actually playing it well here.
Note to self: Being an asshole means facing no consequences. Gotta watch House MD today
JUST IGNORE THE UPPER PART OF THE POST
Nirur Torir you're so stupid it hurts you know?! Your purposefull tunnel vision?
TUNNEL MY ASS!
Lucky guesses... BAH!
Post by: dakarian on December 10, 2009, 11:08:55 am
As for assholes in general, it doesn't mean a clean break, but..welll.. I can put the oddness like this:
Mafia want to hide from suspicion. As such, they tend to prefer acts that give as little suspicion to them as possible. Even trying to get someone lynched is really only used to make sure THEY don't get lynched. As such most prefer NOT to be noticed and hated by everyone in the world.
Acting like an asshole, though, means you are doing the opposite. As such, after the "OMG I HATE YOU PLEASE DIE!!" passes away (and it doesn't always: I've seen a few lynches due to that) the town thinks "Well, mafia wouldn't do something that stupid" and walk away.
Please don't run this into WIFOM land from here. I'm talking generalities. I KNOW from here it gets more complex, but such complexities happen much less than you think. Mafia CAN be aggressive assholes but, more times than not, they AREN'T.
As town, though, remember your goal is NOT to survive. Yes, being an asshole means you can live easier, but what's the point? All that means is the mafia just lets you live until they win. Survival means nothing if that happens (especially since, storywise, the mafia kills you in the end anyway :P)
So be soft, be assholy, be whatever, but remember your goal: to find scum. If you find them best by pulling back and being mild mannered then do it, even if we cry out "PASSIVE SCUM!" If you find the scum best by being an asshole then act like an ass. I've seen it, it can work..crap I've become less 'pure logic' and more 'in your face' as I've gone on and I've done much better in catching scum for it.
But remember, scum are 'faring well' when they outlive you. Town only farewell when the scum die. If what you are doing keeps you alive but does little else, then you're either a scum that's winning or a town that's losing.
Post by: dakarian on December 10, 2009, 11:13:00 am
In bay 12, take a good note NOT just on how people act and lynch..but on the results of the game. Go look at other games and see how the town acts, then look at the end to see whether they won or loss. Bonus points if you check to see if they won only because of a power in their roles rather than scumhunting.
And before its said: YES, town can win regularly with scumhunting....whether they DO is more about the skill in their hunt. It means something when I say that the best scumhunting I've seen is in BEGINNER'S MAFIA.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 10, 2009, 11:28:47 am
Quote from: Rooster
Nirur Torir you're so stupid it hurts you know?! Your purposefull tunnel vision?Awesome! I can cause physical pain over the internet!
Quote from: Rooster
Lucky guesses... BAH!Oh-ho-ho, I notice a pluralization, despite Magma being my only known lucky guess.
Quote from: Dakarian
I'd like to comment on Org but given that he's in game, I won't. If I can remember it, I can bring it up later.I'm fairly sure I know what you're referring to. If you're not saying it it though, maybe I shouldn't either.
Quote from: LASD
Because it's Beginner's Mafia. Any other beginners watching need to know to suspect everyone, even if they're nearly certain the person is townie.Quote from: Nirur TorirOh, good. I was afraid I would be auto-assumed as town.Why would you say that, unless you're scum looking for a challenge?
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 10, 2009, 11:32:53 am
Quote from: rooster
So far I've seen nothing but success.
You've seen nothing but success because you weren't lynched round 1? A round where we DID successfully lynch a scum? What success was there, exactly? Is it that you're scum and you lived, or are you taking credit for the lynch against magma?
You certainly don't seem "Org"ish, that's for sure - but even if you're not scum, your whole game plan seems to be to sabotage the town, which I suppose could be considered similiar. Are you trying for a Refuge in Audacity? To say "I look so scummy I couldn't be scum" ? Well, only one way to find out, then, since you seem intent on getting lynched - let's lynch you.
Rooster - What would you have learned if your "experiment" results in a round 2 town win?
Nirur, I can't believe a scum would tunnel bus their partner turn 1. But I'm well aware that you are smart, and good at this game - you won BM5 without me ever even suspecting you (though others did). Maybe, just maybe, I could see you trying to pull of something crazy like that. Your attitude since the lynch certainly hasn't helped. Maybe it wasn't even an intentional bus. Maybe a scum fight got out of hand? Who knows, but don't think your in the clear.
Addendum: Two posts by Dakarian while I waited, who said a lot of the things I wanted to say about the "Org" strategy, about how a success is a result of faction win/loss, NOT of personal "turns survived". I don't know if Org is a winner or not, but I haven't seen any particular evidence he is. I took out the lengthier parts that were just repeats.
Addendum: God damn it that is the third time I've tried to post this. I love it when it's this busy.
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 12:00:54 pm
I BAH'ed at lucky guesses in general, yours was a lucky guess. Lucky guesses are not that uncommon.
Glyph Gryph: Ain't this what worked for Alexhans for much time?
Bitch, lynch me, vote me, whatever if you want I don't care. I feel sorry for you. In that you take my assholery the wrong way, and think I'm lying. I never said that I'm doing this shit to survive. (Is that the 3rd time I repeat this?). I'm doing this to mindfuck you and see how that works.
2nd day town win? That'd be awesome...ly random.
I would learn a whole lot. And why? Because I'm horribly bad at logical scum hunting. I have feelings toward people, but I have a hard time to prove them their scumminess and at the same time say something completely new. I'm still searching for a decent playstyle.
I'm totally into ladies action, but get out of Nirur's panties!
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But I'm well aware that you are smart, and good at this game - you won BM5 without me ever even suspecting you
Wtf?
You were a moron last game and you didn't improve that much outside of not doing those "I'm townie" posts.
Nirur:Are you totally into Roleblocking, or Godfather'y?
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 10, 2009, 12:36:03 pm
Godfather all the way. That little bit of extra WIFOM if investigated is nice. Plus It's much easier then trying to figure out who the cop is.
CobaltKobold, I'd like an assessment of everybody from you please.
Dakarian, according to your rules, discounting all other factors, are the cop's investigations not revealed to the town if she is NKed?
Post by: LASD on December 10, 2009, 12:55:51 pm
Yeah, that dawned on me just after I posted, but no edits allowed.Quote from: LASDBecause it's Beginner's Mafia. Any other beginners watching need to know to suspect everyone, even if they're nearly certain the person is townie.Quote from: Nirur TorirOh, good. I was afraid I would be auto-assumed as town.Why would you say that, unless you're scum looking for a challenge?
Rooster, I have a question for you: how did you know that Bayer was the cop?Oh yeah, I'd like to now what are you basing this question on?
And Rooster, I wanted to lynch Org for his playstyle, though I suspected him of being scum, but after Magma flipped I don't really believe he is scum. It'd still be nice if he actually played and didn't just vote. So, Org get over here and say what you think of the situation.
Post by: dakarian on December 10, 2009, 01:06:49 pm
Dakarian, according to your rules, discounting all other factors, are the cop's investigations not revealed to the town if she is NKed?
The cop's investigations are never revealed to the town. It's the cop's responsibility to decide when and how to deal with those investigations. If she dies before she can tell then the secret is hitting with her.
It saved Webadict's hide in BM3, since he killed the cop N1 just as the cop found him guilty. Made for a nice death scene too.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 10, 2009, 01:12:50 pm
Rooster, I have a question for you: how did you know that Bayer was the cop?Oh yeah, I'd like to now what are you basing this question on?
Nothing. It was an attempt to catch a scum off guard. Considering I just day 1 killed a scum with random tunnel vision, I figured it was worth a shot.
Rooster, I don't like what you're doing. You're intentionally ... I'm not even sure what sort of tells you're dropping. As an experiment you say. I'm very tempted to push for a lynch on you, so others aren't tempted to take it up.
Post by: Errol on December 10, 2009, 01:36:02 pm
One side here is scum, obviously. Either Rooster or Nirur. And Rooster just has a target symbol painted all over his ass, which is enough reason for me to not meddle in this affair. We need more info.
LASD, you've been very passive in this affair, as far as I can discern stuff. I have that feeling you're trying to stay under the radar.
Post by: LASD on December 10, 2009, 03:18:36 pm
One side here is scum, obviously. Either Rooster or Nirur. And Rooster just has a target symbol painted all over his ass, which is enough reason for me to not meddle in this affair. We need more info.You do know there's only two scum right? Of which one is left. And if you think either Rooster or Nirur is scum, I don't really know why you're voting me, except for putting weight on your accusation.
LASD, you've been very passive in this affair, as far as I can discern stuff. I have that feeling you're trying to stay under the radar.
And yeah, I haven't really decided one way or another on the situation, I'm still waiting for CobaltKobold and Org to answer me and others. I don't think you should limit your suspicions only to Rooster or Nirur, if either of them is scum, she's being an amazingly bad mafia member. Though I understand not wanting to risk it.
Now, can anyone explain to me why GlyphGryph has avoided all suspicion? She was the last to "wake" to MagmaDeath's scumminess (apart from Cobaltkobold) and would be one of the nastiest persons to turn out scum. Also, she wasn't killed during the night.
The night kill was rather interesting matter in itself, I wonder if the IC suggested killing a lurkish person in the hopes of hitting a Powerrole. Based on this decision I think the Mafia has a powerrole of it's own, most likely a Godfather (IIRC he's almost required to turn up with a Cop). That would be fortunate as we wouldn't even have use for the cop, so eat it Godfather. You should've gone for a scumhunter instead.
I'm already thinking we could use a day extension, at least I will. Remember, we still can't miss more than twice.
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 04:08:10 pm
I still didn't get my sex change operation! I still have my manly parts.
Nirur: Sure, go ahead.
But please, people try to fricking read each and every kill. Even if it's plain WIFOM.
You haven't seen nothing yet. In LCS mafia Alexhans was... intense.
I'll just try to limit my offensive words, but that definitelly has some effect on you, or you would let me go rampart.
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 04:26:15 pm
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 04:32:08 pm
Did I missed any questions addressed to me? If I did, sorry. Please quote and re-ask.
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 05:52:44 pm
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 06:02:08 pm
So, Org why don't you post walls of text when you DO have free timeLike then? Or what?
Sometimes its that I dont feel like it or no one is talking to me. I feel left out. :I
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 10, 2009, 06:59:35 pm
Copying Org is ... not easily considered desirable.Not for town, no.
Well, here's the voting around our deceased mafioso to use for thought:LASD was randomvoted, Errol had raised a red flag, and I was pursuing that. Magma appeared more or less exactly as how I saw Magma in BM4, when Magma flipped doctor. by the time I was done with Errol, Magma had enough bandwagon that votes no longer had any real cost or benefit outside of it. Those are the reasons I specifically did not vote Magmadeath then-I considered it.QuoteMagmaDeath voted Nirur Torir and never changed, just FoSed Rooster and Org.
MagmaDeath got the votes of Nirur Torir, Errol, Org, Rooster and Nirur Torir again in that order. MagmaDeath got FoSed by Nirur Torir, me and GlyphGryph in that order.
So, SirBayer and CobaltKobold were the only ones who never pointed fingers at MagmaDeath.
CobaltKobold, didn't MagmaDeath seem suspicious to you?
Belatedly, this sort of violates the principal of "the one you think is the doc is scum".
Rooster, I don't like what you're doing. You're intentionally ... I'm not even sure what sort of tells you're dropping. As an experiment you say. I'm very tempted to push for a lynch on you, so others aren't tempted to take it up.It's called WIFOM, specifically RiA.
First off, although it's hard to offend me, I think you'll cross a line with somebody if you keep up that intensity with your offensiveness.already has
Quote from: nirurtorir
Godfather all the way. That little bit of extra WIFOM if investigated is nice. Plus It's much easier then trying to figure out who the cop is.Org is lurking, and is being oldOrg. Alas for town. There is a scumhuntingOrg, but it's elusive.
CobaltKobold, I'd like an assessment of everybody from you please.
SirBayer is shaping up to being Org's understudy with a bit of bad scumhunting thrown in.
Rooster's doing a RiA which town really shouldn't do. Also appears to be OMGUSing Nirur.
You, Nirur Torir, are twisty as a moebius strip, being less blatantly hands-together villain, but similarly to Rooster. You are presently in the "dangerous: cannot read" category.
LASD is ...voting me because I was not on Magmadeath yesterday-
Also, she[GlyphGryph] wasn't killed during the night....blatant wifom right here. Scummy.
Errol is, again
Ah, please, don't leave me out of the picture. The only reason there was an opening was because I did the weird thing with the random vote., using odd language that implies him scum, and desires to be scumhunted? What? Less scummy but still stained.
am I up to seven? No? Oh, myself. I haven't got a good objective handle on my behavior, sorry.
Rooster. Do not try to copy Org. Ever. One it is the dumbest thing you would ever evvvvvvvvveeeeerrrrrrrrrr want to do. Everyone hates you. IT usually isnt fun. I do it since I have stuff in between but whatever. Sure. Trying to get away from that. Two, while it might work, it just isnt fun to be against. It just....no. Just no. Dont. Thats why half the forum hates me.I'm sorry, I have not laughed this hard in a long time.
Quote from: org
Did I missed any questions addressed to me? If I did, sorry. Please quote and re-ask.
And Rooster, I wanted to lynch Org for his playstyle, though I suspected him of being scum, but after Magma flipped I don't really believe he is scum. It'd still be nice if he actually played and didn't just vote. So, Org get over here and say what you think of the situation.
Post by: SirBayer on December 10, 2009, 07:01:08 pm
"Shitwaffles."
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 10, 2009, 07:20:53 pm
I still didn't get my sex change operation! I still have my manly parts.Why hello there Rand. ::)
Cut it out, you. >:(
Why are you surprised? Surprised that we found you, scum?Rooster, I have a question for you: how did you know that Bayer was the cop?At first you surprised me with this, but then I realised that you think I'm scum.
lso to cst suspicion: 3rd/4th votes are Org, Rooster, Nirur Torir.
Oh, crap. Bayer's dead, which means I omitted someone.
GlyphGryph. *rereads* Is...Looks to be the best scumhunter this game, which has me leaning town. OTOC, her vote is freakishly jumpy d1.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 10, 2009, 07:36:35 pm
Okay, yeah... my vote is NOT leaving Rooster any time soon. I'm sure he's scum at this point.
But that doesn't mean I should stop scumhunting - if he flips town, I need to be prepared. So back to questioning people.
LASD, I could as easily have asked why you weren't killed in the night. I mean, you've mostly avoided suspicion as well, at least until now. I honestly don't know why I wasn't killed off, but I don't particularly see why I would have been either. So here's your question: Why do you think SirBayer was killed instead of someone else?
Addendum:
Errol, I do have a question for you as well, something SirBayer just reminded me of (Speaking of which, you're supposed to be dead. Bad ghost. Bad SirBayer.) - Magma specifically mentioned that he hopes you get lynched in his last post. Do you think it was just WIFOM, or is there something you may have done to deserve it? What do you make of it? As I can't see anything special you did as compared to, say, Nirur, who was also voting him since early on.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 10, 2009, 07:42:47 pm
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 08:06:48 pm
Live and learn. And I'm learning a lot! (Not in a positive way but still)
If by WIFOM you mean that I encourage you, then please, I'm not stopping you to WIFOM yourself.
Cobalt(d) Kobold: I almost lmao'ed. That's because I never said Sir Bayer was cop. I may be a slow thinker but at least I got that one.
Can somebody create a definition for Refuge in Audacity?
Nirur: So I suck balls. You have anything against people that suck manly parts? You homophobe!
(Read: OMGUS'ing would mean that we're all morons, because we have all done that at least one haven't we?)
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 10, 2009, 08:08:28 pm
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 08:23:21 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 10, 2009, 08:37:19 pm
We have three votes left.
We have four people taking Refuge in Audacity: Rooster, Errol, Org, and arguably me.
CobaltKobold, if I was scum and not-me, but real-me was still playing, I'd have picked a random person (Bayer, Glyph, or LASD) to NK, then gone for a lynch on real-me. Reasons: Revenge, fear of doctor protecting real-me, and I'd be able to throw out there that real-me was taking Refuge in Audacity. Yes, I admit that I'm suspicious of you because you voted me, but only because that's what I would have done if I was you and scum. I also didn't notice you doing much day 1. If I wasn't going for Rooster right now, I'd probably be after you.
Glyph: I don't think you've done anything particularly scummy. In lieu of all the better targets, I'm considering you probably-townie
LASD: Same thing, really. I get the feeling you're lurking, but that's small compared to the others. Probably-townie.
Org: You're Org. But you seem to be trying to be helpful. But you're Org.
Rooster: You're willfully trying to act like not-Rooster. Deliberate WIFOM deserves a lynch.
Errol: I do not see you on the karma thread. If you were scum, I believe Vector would have shot you by now.
Votecount request
Post by: Org on December 10, 2009, 08:45:25 pm
Its a Christmas Miracle!
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 10, 2009, 09:00:51 pm
I was seriously expecting to be NKed in revenge. When I wasn't, I figured the scum would aim to lynch me.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 10, 2009, 09:39:25 pm
Post by: Vector on December 10, 2009, 10:14:12 pm
Errol: I do not see you on the karma thread. If you were scum, I believe Vector would have shot you by now.
... Hah.
I am now going to do something that might be unwise... that is, I have a formal request of Rooster. I am making it here rather than in some other venue because I do not want any of you to jump on sudden behavioral change.
Note to self: Being an asshole means facing no consequences. Gotta watch House MD today
JUST IGNORE THE UPPER PART OF THE POST
Nirur Torir you're so stupid it hurts you know?! Your purposefull tunnel vision?
TUNNEL MY ASS!
Being an asshole means facing the consequences of an angry IC. I am going to strongly suggest that you cut this mess out. I don't care if you're scum or town, your play is horrible. You are not scumhunting. You are not even performing a reaction-hunt properly. Yes, there are alternative ways of playing this game. No, I do not know everything. I am, however, giving you a warning that your behavior is reprehensible.
I still didn't get my sex change operation! I still have my manly parts.
You haven't seen nothing yet. In LCS mafia Alexhans was... intense.
I'll just try to limit my offensive words, but that definitelly has some effect on you, or you would let me go rampart.
Nirur: So I suck balls. You have anything against people that suck manly parts? You homophobe!
(Read: OMGUS'ing would mean that we're all morons, because we have all done that at least one haven't we?)
Nirur: Next time wear a condom when you're fucking my mind.
Glyph Gryph: Ain't this what worked for Alexhans for much time?
Bitch, lynch me, vote me, whatever if you want I don't care. I feel sorry for you. In that you take my assholery the wrong way, and think I'm lying. I never said that I'm doing this shit to survive. (Is that the 3rd time I repeat this?). I'm doing this to mindfuck you and see how that works.
I would learn a whole lot. And why? Because I'm horribly bad at logical scum hunting. I have feelings toward people, but I have a hard time to prove them their scumminess and at the same time say something completely new. I'm still searching for a decent playstyle.
I'm totally into ladies action, but get out of Nirur's panties!
1. If you actually paid attention to Alexhans playstyle, you might notice that he is an asshole, yes. He engages in personal attacks, yes. What he does not do is stoop to base remarks about gender and sexuality. I am disappointed to see that you are not above this.
2. Keep your interest in lesbian pornography to yourself. Intentionally being an asshole is one thing. Behaving in a bigoted manner is another. Assholery is allowed and sometimes encouraged in this game. This ... mess ... is not.
I have allowed several of these comments to pass, but this is more than enough. I am nearly certain that Dakarian did not generate this setting just to let you spew churlish innuendo everywhere. Some initial shock and attempts at humor might have been anticipated, but you have overreached yourself.
3. If you cannot figure out scumhunting, go learn. At the moment, you are just making a complete fool of yourself. This is not scumhunting. This is not carefully concerned pressure. You are playing to offend, and offend you have.
I will explain my statements, given that this game frequently does involve being offensive. There is a certain level of offensiveness we generally consider an acceptable part of the game. Namecalling happens; there are inevitable insults to masculinity, calls to crucify people, whatever. After a certain point, however, all that grows to be too much. You have crossed the line.
I had a hell of a time figuring out how to scumhunt. Ultimately, you learn how by playing a lot of scum and looking at how you think (I think the basic sense of what to do kicks in at about 3 games or so, or at least mine did). Once you've reverse-engineered your own scummy thought patterns, it's much easier to figure out what's going on with other people.
The only way you learn how to scumhunt is by scumhunting, not intentionally playing badly and finding that--true to form--yes, people do get angry when you try to incite them. What a MIRACLE. You must be a really smart guy, right? Because anyone who can incorrectly imitate Alexhans is a really smart guy. Makes me want to shake your hand for being so bloody clever.
You may be having trouble, but any difficulty you might have is no excuse for your current behavior.
Now, go learn how to play. If you have any questions, the ICs will be there to help you.
Post by: LASD on December 11, 2009, 04:37:21 am
LASD is ...voting me because I was not on Magmadeath yesterday-Yeah, I just wanted to see if you'd jump, as that would be a question a scum wouldn't be happy to answer, especially coupled with a vote. You didn't jump. Unvote CobaltKoboldneutral.
LASD, I could as easily have asked why you weren't killed in the night. I mean, you've mostly avoided suspicion as well, at least until now. I honestly don't know why I wasn't killed off, but I don't particularly see why I would have been either. So here's your question: Why do you think SirBayer was killed instead of someone else?As I pretty much stated in my last post, I think the IC gave the idea of killing a lurkish person to catch a powerrole.
Don't confuse me LASD!I spent some time wondering whether I should use he or she in this setting, but chose the latter to have at least some flavor in the game.
I still didn't get my sex change operation! I still have my manly parts.
I'm leaning on Refuge in Audacity in a Beginner Game to be more of a newtell (or a lucktell in the case of Nirur) than a scumtell (Big surprise as there's 4 people doing it and one scum left) The problem is that only leaves CobaltKobold and GlyphGryph. And I have to admit, I do not think GlyphGryph is scum. And not really CobaltKobold either.
So, I'd like everyone who hasn't yet answered the Ajah question to do that. Personally I have to go with Org on this, I choose Power and Red Ajah.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 04:46:55 am
Also has the "advantage" of being the opposite of black (which I'd choose if it were characterised, but it is not)
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 04:47:26 am
Post by: Rooster on December 11, 2009, 05:41:42 am
AND I wouldn't have learned all that if I wouldn't have tried right?
Post by: Errol on December 11, 2009, 07:29:16 am
LASD, your thought is, essentially, correct. After successfully lynching MagmaDeath, the scumbag he was, I'm back to square one, which means randomvoting. So, I try to gather some info, and then, compile it at day three, together with the latest deaths.
To answer that question with MagmaDeaths last post, I'm not concerned about it. The way I see it it's just a coupla last words, and whatever the mafia is plotting it should probably try to get the doctor, not focus its wrath on a hapless vanilla townie.
Post by: dakarian on December 11, 2009, 08:35:14 am
Whites focus on logic and reasoning to the point where everything else gets dumped to the curb. The pride themselves with theorems of the world. Emotion tends to get jettisoned for it. If you're thinking 'Vulcan' you got it right (though without the ears).
Browns hunt for information and knowledge. Bookworm fits many of them. Human Encyclopedia fits for many as well. Nothing is taboo if it's information (learning ABOUT it that is, using taboo knowledge ....well... perhaps if you learn something). They do get emotional but they also get so lost in their knowledge that they lose track of the world, making them seem air-headed. The kind that can walk without a coat in the pouring rain and not notice that she's soaked.
Blacks tend to take on the mentality of the Ajah they cover as.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 11, 2009, 08:39:02 am
Post by: Rooster on December 11, 2009, 11:06:37 am
Yellow.
Cobalt(d?): Did you policy-vote me?
Errol: Do you declare that you would policy-vote?
Nirur: You didn't act like that when you were scum last time. That's certainly weird. isn't it?
You're you and you can't be not-you-you, and you isn't absolutely defined. the you-you is a subjective term therefore there cannot be a not-you you, so cut that out, and speak english.
Are you too policy-voting me?
Post by: Rooster on December 11, 2009, 11:11:13 am
Declare reasons for voting someone based on definite acum-tell crimes.
Nirur's a passive player, he WIFOM'd indirectly (by telling that he's not acting like him. Which is weird since Mafia should generally act town)
Post by: Rooster on December 11, 2009, 11:11:56 am
Post by: Rooster on December 11, 2009, 11:12:41 am
Forgot to ask that(Everybody):
Declare reasons for voting someone based on definiteacum-tellscum-tell crimes.
Nirur's a passive player, he WIFOM'd indirectly (by telling that he's not acting like him. Which is weird since Mafia should generally act town)
Lol quadruple post, but this grammar mistake is so stupid...
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 11, 2009, 12:01:12 pm
Also, votecount please.
Quote from: Errol
To answer that question with MagmaDeaths last post, I'm not concerned about it. The way I see it it's just a coupla last words, and whatever the mafia is plotting it should probably try to get the doctor, not focus its wrath on a hapless vanilla townie.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this statement? Are you saying you expect them to go after another lurker? Are you claiming that you're not the doctor? I'm having a bit of trouble trying to piece together your intent.
Org, since I keep forgetting you are playing and have no desire to let you just fade into the background, I'd like you to describe what you think of all the players and... uh... at least one other thing you can think of that results in a paragraph of least 3 sentences.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 12:06:43 pm
Rooster: It's both a policy vote and a vote against scumminess. If I had to choose two people to lynch, I would pick you and CobaltKobold. You're purposely giving off scumtells and trying to annoy people. (No, seriously. I'm not affected much, I just hate the thought of you getting suspended for a week, messing the game up.)
I realize that my argument against CobaltKobold sounds like WIFOM-rich nonsense, but I'll try again.
I suspect she is scum, using logic similar to something I would probably use in the same situation. She could have just NKed me (Unless there was a doctor protecting me), but she didn't. She was, however, VERY quick to point out that a day 1 lynch on a scumbuddy is pretty effective WIFOM.
She did very little on day one, aside from poking Errol for his mistakes. She stayed mostly silent about the entire Magma ordeal, aside from a pointless question shortly before the day ended.
Post by: dakarian on December 11, 2009, 12:35:08 pm
Current Vote Count:
Rooster[4]: Nirur Torir, GlyphGryph, Org, CobaltKobold,
Nirur Torir[1]: Rooster
LASD[1]: Errol
Not Voting:
LASD
Deadline: Friday, 9pm EST
3 requests to extend required to extend the day. If extended, deadline will be on Monday.
Over half the town has voted for the same person. Requests to End Day will be accepted. 4 requests with no more than 2 objections required to End Day.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 01:45:18 pm
Post by: Vector on December 11, 2009, 02:51:45 pm
Vector:k. I'll cut the crap out. But that was certainly interesting wasn't it?
AND I wouldn't have learned all that if I wouldn't have tried right?
Since you seem to want an answer, interesting in a train-wreck "Goddammit, is he going to stop soon?" sort of a way.
If you've never broken a lot of social rules simultaneously, I suppose it could be a learning experience. I've generally tried to learn this game by going with the flow established by others, with the idea that I'll probably be irritating enough without intentionally pissing people off.
So, I guess you've learned how people treat somebody profoundly annoying the first couple of times they encounter the person in question. If you needed to learn that in this context, then I suppose I'm glad for you.
Post by: Errol on December 11, 2009, 03:52:34 pm
I realize that I'm pretty effectively stumbling through this game, but this need not be a bad thing entirely.
Be certain that I wouldn't act this way if I was doc. Also note that I don't believe Rooster to be scum. Being so reckless is not scum at all.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 03:59:11 pm
Errol: are you asking what I got, or what I'd like?On the policy of "you're doing something stupidly antitown and probably scum"
Yellow.
Cobalt(d?): Did you policy-vote me?
Blue, probably. Justice is important.Everyone else had asked what needed asking. It is scummy to ride on others' arguments. And, you're spewing WIFOM again.
Rooster: It's both a policy vote and a vote against scumminess. If I had to choose two people to lynch, I would pick you and CobaltKobold. You're purposely giving off scumtells and trying to annoy people. (No, seriously. I'm not affected much, I just hate the thought of you getting suspended for a week, messing the game up.)
I realize that my argument against CobaltKobold sounds like WIFOM-rich nonsense, but I'll try again.
I suspect she is scum, using logic similar to something I would probably use in the same situation. She could have just NKed me (Unless there was a doctor protecting me), but she didn't. She was, however, VERY quick to point out that a day 1 lynch on a scumbuddy is pretty effective WIFOM.
She did very little on day one, aside from poking Errol for his mistakes. She stayed mostly silent about the entire Magma ordeal, aside from a pointless question shortly before the day ended.
End.This, bve and beyond the rest, tells me you're scum, Nirur Torir. Town don't ask for early ends. They need all the time they can get. Object to day end.
PPE: Errol: don't drink the wifom.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 04:09:23 pm
Town don't ask for early ends. They need all the time they can get. Object to day end.
I knew this was coming, actually. You're so very predictable in your assumption that I am scum. You're also implying that our time is limited. - Town has all the time it can get.
3 requests to extend required to extend the day. If extended, deadline will be on Monday.
Tell me, CobaltKobold. Why is asking for an end so very scummy? Most of us feel that Rooster needs to go. Or are you saying that, despite having voted for Rooster, you didn't really want to lynch him?
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 04:32:38 pm
Unvote. Vote CobaltKobold.
Rescind END request.
Request extension. We're likely to need it now.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 04:38:37 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 04:39:09 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 04:49:27 pm
See that, town? That's an OMGUS right there. He doesn't even TRY to justify it."I AM TOWN TOO!" Yea, I think you berated me for that earlier, now you're doing that. Unless you're really saying that you're not part of the town?
Voting you because you voted me? Yea, I already admitted to that. You consider my logic for why I did that WIFOM though.
Or am I failing to explain something else to your liking?
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 04:55:59 pm
REquesting to end the day is bad for town because it shortens the discussion time. I'd think that was patently obvious.
And no, I did not say that I'm town, nor can it be implied from what I said. Your accusation is spurious. I am addressing the rest of the players, which is generally known as "the town".
Request extend- Rooster shouldn't be lynched when Nirur's doing this crap.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 04:59:51 pm
There wasn't much discussion going on, and Dak is giving us all the discussion time we want. It does not shorten the discussion time.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 05:08:31 pm
I knew this was coming, actually. You're so very predictable in your assumption that I am scum.This is funny, because you were miffed when people assumed you were town. But I'm not assuming, I'm making an educated guess.
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Tell me, CobaltKobold. Why is asking for an end so very scummy?Scum do not want town to figure them out. Discussion time provides for this. nd, now, there is discussion, which would not have happened had you got your scummy information-hiding ways.
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Or are you saying that, despite having voted for Rooster, you didn't really want to lynch him?Having voted for Rooster, I wanted to lynch him. Past tense. Now, I want to lynch you.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 05:20:44 pm
I'm perfectly happy with discussion. It'd be nice if we had other people accusing us though, since we seem to have run low on sticks to hit each other with.
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 05:34:21 pm
Rooster, will the madness never end? This is not a policy lynch, this is lynching off scum. There are plenty of damn good reasons to vote for you, and your grasping at straws. You're not going to be able to WIFOM your way out of it. You've had no defense beyond, essentially, wanting to make trouble and experiment and then pointing your finger at Nirur. While I support experimenting, you are the scummiest player here.No. I wont. I want to play, but thats asking for too much.
Also, votecount please.Quote from: ErrolTo answer that question with MagmaDeaths last post, I'm not concerned about it. The way I see it it's just a coupla last words, and whatever the mafia is plotting it should probably try to get the doctor, not focus its wrath on a hapless vanilla townie.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this statement? Are you saying you expect them to go after another lurker? Are you claiming that you're not the doctor? I'm having a bit of trouble trying to piece together your intent.
Org, since I keep forgetting you are playing and have no desire to let you just fade into the background, I'd like you to describe what you think of all the players and... uh... at least one other thing you can think of that results in a paragraph of least 3 sentences.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 05:36:44 pm
Rooster. Do not try to copy Org. Ever. One it is the dumbest thing you would ever evvvvvvvvveeeeerrrrrrrrrr want to do. Everyone hates you. IT usually isnt fun. I do it since I have stuff in between but whatever. Sure. Trying to get away from that. Two, while it might work, it just isnt fun to be against. It just....no. Just no. Dont. Thats why half the forum hates me.
Did I missed any questions addressed to me? If I did, sorry. Please quote and re-ask.
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 05:37:36 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 11, 2009, 05:39:51 pm
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 05:42:12 pm
owait
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 07:26:40 pm
Post by: Org on December 11, 2009, 07:47:41 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 08:01:13 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 08:31:05 pm
Unvote. Vote Rooster.
Post by: dakarian on December 12, 2009, 12:52:15 am
ALSO: if the deadline hits and I have not posted (because of RL matters usually), consider it Extra Bonus time. Use it as you will. Just know I will come in as soon as I can so don't be caught off guard.
Current Vote Count:
Rooster[3]: Nirur Torir, GlyphGryph, Org,
Nirur Torir[2]: Rooster, CobaltKobold,
LASD[1]: Errol
Not Voting:
LASD
1 Vote to End Day, 1 Objection
3 Votes to Extend day
Day is Extended.
Deadline: Monday, 9pm EST
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 12, 2009, 01:01:38 am
Current Vote Count:
Rooster[3]: Nirur Torir, GlyphGryph, Org,
Nirur Torir[1]: Rooster, CobaltKobold,
LASD[1]: Errol
Post by: dakarian on December 12, 2009, 01:10:43 am
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 12, 2009, 02:14:19 am
On the topic of Day End/ Day Extend...
Honestly, I was looking forward to a lynch tonight. Which might in large part have to do with the fact my finals start at the beginning of next week, and figuring either a)the game ends, one less thing to think about or b)there's night for a couple days and thus one less thing to think about. I probably shouldn't spend much time on here starting tomorrow (since I never get studying done when that happens). Sometimes I think I'm too impatient for this game, or that I'm just running out of steam, but this time around its mostly just that I really shouldn't be here for the next couple of days, and I'm afraid with the game running I'm going to constantly feel myself drawn to the computer. Of course, I guess in the end its a wash since the uPick game I'm still not caught up on (and won't be till tuesday) is supposed to start tomorrow anyways.
:sigh: Curse my finals and other responsibilities.
So thats not good, but...
To make it worse, Rooster seems to have peaked out his scumminess - as if he's acted so scummy, so anti-town, there's nowhere left for him to go but down in peoples suspicions. This is the whole point, near I can tell, of trying an RiA - just exhausting people. I feel like the more the rest of us infight, the better the chance of him slipping away. So, right now, I need to think about why two of the three extensions were from people who are still voting for the person that was about to be lynched. I can understand CKs extension - if she's town and she believes Nurir is scum and rooster is a mistake, then it makes sense.
But Nirur, Org... what's up with that?
Nirur, especially - you request a day end, and then immediately turn it into a day extension when someone points out you look a bit scummy doing it, just so you can OMGUS them? Sure, it might - but it would have been defensible, and if you'd made that defense (You thought Rooster was scum, majority, blah blah) I wouldn't likely have thought much of it - but in my opinion, what you just did looks even MORE scummy to me. You just seem... Jumpy, very very jump. Especially since you requested the extension as part of what seems to be a revenge vote for someone finding you suspicious.
Org, why, exactly, did you extend? Just because Nirur asked you to, or did you actually have a reason? Also, lucky for you in regards to my last question, a paragraph for everyone is not needed. Just try to fulfill the intent and post a good sized block of meaningful content in a single post. 3 full lines, total, and I'll be happy.
Summary for the top part:
Don't be surprised if you don't see me around much, if at all, until Tuesday after my final.
This doesn't mean you won't see me around - but if you do, it is because I am doing something wrong, as these forum eats my time up like woah. I might make another post tomorrow morning before I swear off the internets though.
Post by: Errol on December 12, 2009, 03:54:59 am
Vote Nirur.
Still keeping an eye on [color]Rooster[/color].
Post by: Errol on December 12, 2009, 03:56:56 am
Post by: Rooster on December 12, 2009, 08:00:16 am
I had advice from dakarian how to put what I did to good use (Look what I did. I provoked ya'll! And Nirur came up! He's so passive. AND (S)HE'S SAVING (HER)HIS ASS! Well at least tries)
Hey there Nirur. You're extremely nervous by Cobalt(shouldn't this be a D?) Kobold's questions.
A day end opportunity shows up and you grab it (Errol you too!).
While I actually understand that, It seems that was to kick my ass.
Actually yesterday I was like meh. I could vote day extension, but whatever I give up.
But I'm still alive so...
I'd vote you Nirur but I'm already voting.
So Org I'm going socrates here:
Why do you think I'm scummy?
Because I tried to be kinda like you, then doing something else?
Don't you think voting for impostor is hipocritical?
(Well you actually fell for it...haha)
Nirur is the passive one (right now lol.) right?
Do you have free time now? (btw :) )
Which of us two deserves voting more?
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 12, 2009, 08:44:57 am
Stating the obvious here, but Nirur is plotting something, vote-flopping and oodles upon oodles of stuff. No. This is past my tolerance of WIFOM and all that stuff. If you are town, you will agree that lynching you is the best way of knowing the truth. Or are you, coincidentially, the doctor, scumbag?Vote flopping?
Vote Nirur.
Still keeping an eye on [color]Rooster[/color].
Rooster > Well, he deserved it.
CobaltKobold > What can I say, I prefer to switch my vote while questioning people.
Rooster > Anybody want to complain about me switching my vote away from a tie when I thought the day might have ended in half an hour?
Unvote until after I've had more time to analyze something.
I might be inclined to help lynch myself, but I fail to see how it would benefit the town if I flip town. I am quite suspicious of your wording there. If I am town ... lynching myself is the best way? Please elaborate.
I'm getting suspicious of LASD and Glyph, simply because they're not drawing attention to themselves in a game where most people are dropping many scumtells.
Post by: Rooster on December 12, 2009, 09:15:43 am
Post by: LASD on December 12, 2009, 09:37:28 am
I'm getting suspicious of LASD and Glyph, simply because they're not drawing attention to themselves in a game where most people are dropping many scumtells.Wait, are you suggesting I should seem more scummy because others do that? You want it to be easier to blend in?
However, I don't really like the thought of lynching Nirur Torir. I'm find it hard to believe that MagmaDeath and Vector would have agreed to Nirur tunneling his scumbuddy on Day 1.
The Ajah question was a veiled and failed attempt to get people to say the Townie color they were given in the Role PM (the only information the Mafia likely doesn't have) but I'm suspecting now that Townies aren't all the same color after all. Still, do you think there'd be any benefit for claiming them? (Or is the risk of revealing a potential Doctor too great?) And if you think so, say who'd you'd like to claim first so that scum can't just copy townies. Or we could just go by votes, but personally I'd like to see CobaltKobold go first if the time comes.
No. I wont. I want to play, but thats asking for too much.No Org, talking is playing. Voting is just a part of it.
Actually LASD was absent for 2 pages or so?Yeah, I apologize. Team Fortress 2 occupied my time.
Post by: Errol on December 12, 2009, 10:19:16 am
As I said, I voted end because I felt the discussion was over. This revived the discussion, so I voted for an extension.Stating the obvious here, but Nirur is plotting something, vote-flopping and oodles upon oodles of stuff. No. This is past my tolerance of WIFOM and all that stuff. If you are town, you will agree that lynching you is the best way of knowing the truth. Or are you, coincidentially, the doctor, scumbag?Vote flopping?
Vote Nirur.
Still keeping an eye on [color]Rooster[/color].
Rooster > Well, he deserved it.
CobaltKobold > What can I say, I prefer to switch my vote while questioning people.
Rooster > Anybody want to complain about me switching my vote away from a tie when I thought the day might have ended in half an hour?
Unvote until after I've had more time to analyze something.
I might be inclined to help lynch myself, but I fail to see how it would benefit the town if I flip town. I am quite suspicious of your wording there. If I am town ... lynching myself is the best way? Please elaborate.
You are doing too much convoluted and unnecessary stuff. You are leading the assault on... well, everyone so far. I've seen a game that was pretty much like that, and the leader turned out to be scum. If you just died and therefore flipped town, I would believe your actions and all that stuff so far, the town would be able to separate Right and Wrong. You are the one the most entangled in this mess. Your death will be crucial in resolving affairs.
BTW, if you were all that intent in lynching Rooster, you would have stuck with it. You wouldn't have made this unnecessarily complex by surprise-lunging at Cobalt, and then suddenly switching back. Your explanation for the latest flop is fishy, as the majority was decided at that point.
Town does not play like that. Town prefers clarity, not complexity. Therefore, I propose cutting the knot by lynching you, so that town is able to see clearly again.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 12, 2009, 10:45:41 am
Alright, Errol. Logically speaking, If I was scum, why would I risk my neck by raising suspicions on myself even higher with an end request? Rooster was to be lynched in a few hours and I was at very little risk.
And you think I'm scum because I'm attacking everybody? Isn't that kinda the point of the game? Attacking everyone suspicious to try to figure out who is scum? Well, everyone's suspicious.
Post by: Rooster on December 12, 2009, 11:03:16 am
I was at very little risk.
hmm.
(Although it would be weird if Nirur was scum twice in a row)
Post by: Errol on December 12, 2009, 11:53:51 am
Interesting. You attempt to convince me to lynch myself with logic?
Alright, Errol. Logically speaking, If I was scum, why would I risk my neck by raising suspicions on myself even higher with an end request? Rooster was to be lynched in a few hours and I was at very little risk.
And you think I'm scum because I'm attacking everybody? Isn't that kinda the point of the game? Attacking everyone suspicious to try to figure out who is scum? Well, everyone's suspicious.
Oooh, this is where the WIFOM comes in. You could easily explain your whole list of gripes with it. But a man would be a fool to rely on WIFOM.
The end request was reaction fishing or trying to hammer the point home. Ultimately, I am led to believe it is the former. Finding out who would go along with this - and who wouldn't. But last minute shit - something scummy in itself - definitely goes past my horizon of 'tolerable', even if it is meant as a pro-town action.
"Well, everyone's suspicious." This sums up perfectly why I want you to get lynched, to eliminate all suspicion. You are town? Prove it! I'm sick of you zigzagging around.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 12, 2009, 02:07:21 pm
...
Oi. Fine. If somebody besides Errol gives me a valid, original reason on why I should vote myself, with no objections, I will. I don't intend to spend my weekend defending myself from the spotlight while the scum gets off freely.
On one condition: The scumhunting continues on other people until day 2 ends.
Post by: Rooster on December 12, 2009, 06:28:02 pm
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Oi. Fine. If somebody besides Errol gives me a valid, original reason on why I should vote myself, with no objections, I will. I don't intend to spend my weekend defending myself from the spotlight while the scum gets off freely.
On one condition: The scumhunting continues on other people until day 2 ends.
Dude. Duuude. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
wtf?
Who said scumhunting on other people will stop? I was about to get lynched and now you're.
I don't think we will last in stagnation till monday.
Post by: Org on December 12, 2009, 06:43:14 pm
I already said why Im voting you. You are not helping....
...
Oi. Fine. If somebody besides Errol gives me a valid, original reason on why I should vote myself, with no objections, I will. I don't intend to spend my weekend defending myself from the spotlight while the scum gets off freely.
On one condition: The scumhunting continues on other people until day 2 ends.
Dude. Duuude. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
wtf?
Who said scumhunting on other people will stop? I was about to get lynched and now you're.
I don't think we will last in stagnation till monday.
Post by: Rooster on December 12, 2009, 08:11:07 pm
I stopped doing that
Post by: Org on December 12, 2009, 09:46:02 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 13, 2009, 08:40:35 am
Unvote. LASD. You haven't been accused yet.
Why aren't you voting anyone?
Why aren't you scumhunting? That Ajah question doesn't count.
Explain what you did day 1, please. It seems you attacked Errol for a while, then spent the remainder of the day attacking a lurker.
Post by: LASD on December 13, 2009, 10:04:51 am
Unvote. LASD. You haven't been accused yet.1. I can't decide on who is scum of the people here and I doubt you or Rooster are. Also, I was going to vote on The Ajah information but that didn't really work out.
Why aren't you voting anyone?
Why aren't you scumhunting? That Ajah question doesn't count.
Explain what you did day 1, please. It seems you attacked Errol for a while, then spent the remainder of the day attacking a lurker.
2. Things in 1 apply here. Scumhunting normally is probably a better idea than coming up with "clever" schemes to uncover scum. I'll try to shape up.
3. Day 1, I answered people, threw questions and votes at others trying to find someone who was off to me, got Errol acting scummy and as other people started pursuing him, I turned my attention to Org, got frustrated with him and finally ended up rather foolishly tunnelvisioning SirBayer, who seemed the most off at the time.
The case of Nirur Torir is interesting as no matter how many scumtells he throws around, it all comes down to the Day 1 play. How many really believe the scumteam (especially with the advice of the IC) would do something so foolhardy as tunneling the other half of the scumteam right at the start?
Org makes me nervous, especially this bit:
Hey, Org, drop an extend request please.
Extend plox.If he can be that easily commanded, I really don't want to see lylo. Also:
Not the pointThe thought behind this particular post is probably not too important, but you're still being too vague to help anyone, we can't read your thoughts.
Org's nulltelliness is making me less and less comfortable all the time. As everyone seem so townish to me, be it because of newtells, scumhunting or the voting surrounding Magma, I'd be happiest to see Org go as there's no possibility he'll flip before the end of the game unless lynched.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 13, 2009, 10:35:21 am
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 11:35:50 am
Post by: Rooster on December 13, 2009, 12:30:32 pm
But you post next to nothing.
It wouldn't be bad if you posted once a day, but posted a wall of text rather than a string.
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 12:54:58 pm
It wouldn't be actually scummy to ask for extension ( imo )You dont seem to be posting WOTs
But you post next to nothing.
It wouldn't be bad if you posted once a day, but posted a wall of text rather than a string.
Post by: Rooster on December 13, 2009, 01:41:20 pm
Post by: Rooster on December 13, 2009, 01:41:38 pm
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 01:49:06 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 13, 2009, 01:56:45 pm
Thats what she said.
This is why active players hate playing with you.
Post by: Errol on December 13, 2009, 01:57:33 pm
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 02:09:03 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 13, 2009, 02:31:44 pm
Your answers were acceptable.
Errol, why are you telling others to scumhunt, but not scumhunting yourself?
Rooster, why are you trying to argue with Org?
Org, who do you think is scum right now, and why?
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 02:40:08 pm
Post by: Errol on December 13, 2009, 02:45:57 pm
Post by: Rooster on December 13, 2009, 03:09:17 pm
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 03:12:21 pm
Post by: dakarian on December 13, 2009, 06:31:02 pm
Make sure you are scumhunting. Not 'unhelpfulpeople hunting' or 'lurker hunting' or 'annoying person hunting'. Think specifically "Do I feel Mafia folks will do this?"
It's amazing how many times I can look at my #1 target and, go "UG, I hate everything EVERYTHING about them....I can't see them as any real form of proper and useful town....but I can't see them in QuickChat actually planning to do that" then I have to pull back.
Post by: Errol on December 14, 2009, 08:11:31 am
Org and Rooster are being Org and Rooster. These are the people you lynch in case you have no other idea.
LASD doesn't drop scumtells, so we may assume him to be town. But he is passive, only acting if other people tell him to do so. Yes, he did stuff on day one, but everyone did that.
Cobalt and Glyph are mysteriously being absent.
And, Nirur... to be really honest, I can't see you being scum. You were ultimately willing to get yourself lynched, and you are active. You try to get that scum lynched. And I'd rather lose in an active mafia than win in a passive one, so Unvote.
I don't have leads, and you ain't giving me some.
So let's go back to lynching Org. We need to eliminate options. And normal principles of scumhunting don't apply on Org.
Requesting a votecount.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 14, 2009, 08:30:33 am
Post by: Errol on December 14, 2009, 08:40:50 am
Glyph -should- post soon, I assume, but if they don't resurface soon, we'll have to do lurkerlynching (which I don't like to do)
Post by: LASD on December 14, 2009, 08:57:56 am
CobaltKobold has apparently been offline for 2 days, surprising weekend happenings I presume. It'd be nice to hear your evaluation of the situation. Do you still think that Nirur Torir should be lynched?
Post by: Rooster on December 14, 2009, 09:07:23 am
I'll consider that.
Errol: Why Org? Because we can allow this gamble, or he deserves it?
Post by: Errol on December 14, 2009, 09:45:45 am
Org is because I can't read him. And because he's Org. And some scummy stuff in the past. And because I don't have a better proposal. Lynching the offline players would be mean, I don't know what to think of Rooster, LASD simply doesn't drop any scumtells whatsoever...
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 14, 2009, 10:24:19 am
Post by: dakarian on December 14, 2009, 10:55:25 am
2. Extensions until Wednesday will be accepted with 0 requests and 0 objections (aka, if no one objects before the current deadline)
3. Whenever someone is away, either for an accepted reason, or lurking, its' best to let them return (in the former, just waiting for them. The latter, request a Prod from the Mod). The second they return, charge at them, HEAD ON.
Thus the goal of a lurker hunt shouldn't be to lynch a lurker, but to out them. Keep pushing other people, but remember the lurker so you can jump on them the second they show their face (and if they never do, keep requesting prods/replaces until they do show up or are removed).
Once they DO show up, attack.
Post by: dakarian on December 14, 2009, 11:07:20 am
Btw, consider this good practice. Sometimes you may be in a game where one day may last a long time. Be prepared to fill it, even if you have to go back to RandomVotes with joke reasons. Long days full of scumhunting is very pro-town BUT it can quickly lead to a worn-out, lurky town which is basically suicide.
Current Vote Count:
Rooster[2]: GlyphGryph, Org
Nirur Torir[2]: Rooster, CobaltKobold
Org[3]: LASD, Errol, Nirur Torir
Deadline: Monday, 9pm EST
Extension to Wednesday accepted if there are 0 Objections at the time of Deadline.
Post by: Org on December 14, 2009, 04:32:03 pm
I hate to join a bandwagon, but I'm going to have to agree with Org. His perpetual null-tells make him a liability at Lylo.Nirur for bandwagoning
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 14, 2009, 06:46:36 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 01:49:57 am
Quote from: Alan Gewirth
To call a principle "moral," in turn, is to indicate that it sets forth as categorically obligatory certain requirements for action that are addressed at least in part to all actual or prospective agents and that are concerned with furthering the interests, especially the most important interests, of persons or recipients other than or in addition to the agent or the speaker.
This post was written prior to reading intervening posts.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 01:59:50 am
If I'm reading this right, I already claimed: white.I'm getting suspicious of LASD and Glyph, simply because they're not drawing attention to themselves in a game where most people are dropping many scumtells.Wait, are you suggesting I should seem more scummy because others do that? You want it to be easier to blend in?
However, I don't really like the thought of lynching Nirur Torir. I'm find it hard to believe that MagmaDeath and Vector would have agreed to Nirur tunneling his scumbuddy on Day 1.
The Ajah question was a veiled and failed attempt to get people to say the Townie color they were given in the Role PM (the only information the Mafia likely doesn't have) but I'm suspecting now that Townies aren't all the same color after all. Still, do you think there'd be any benefit for claiming them? (Or is the risk of revealing a potential Doctor too great?) And if you think so, say who'd you'd like to claim first so that scum can't just copy townies. Or we could just go by votes, but personally I'd like to see CobaltKobold go first if the time comes.
...OK. Here's a good reason: it's in your role PM. ;)
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Oi. Fine. If somebody besides Errol gives me a valid, original reason on why I should vote myself, with no objections, I will. I don't intend to spend my weekend defending myself from the spotlight while the scum gets off freely.
So far, most of the scum hunting has been for "That's not a townie thing to do!" That doesn't necessarily make it a scummy thing to do, just an anti-townie thing. We've got too many townies doing anti-town things for that to be a deciding factor.There are no third-parties in BM. OK, here's a good reason to vote yourself: You do antitown things. By your own admission e'en.
I hate to join a bandwagon, but I'm going to have to agree with Org. His perpetual null-tells make him a liability at Lylo.Here's another one- picking a "null/neutral" to lynch over an "antitown".
Nirur = scum.
Post by: Vector on December 15, 2009, 02:03:18 am
Quote from: Alan GewirthTo call a principle "moral," in turn, is to indicate that it sets forth as categorically obligatory certain requirements for action that are addressed at least in part to all actual or prospective agents and that are concerned with furthering the interests, especially the most important interests, of persons or recipients other than or in addition to the agent or the speaker.
Philosophy major? I have no idea how you folks can stand the run-on sentences in a lot of those books. My eyes just blur over.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 02:49:01 am
He's a little overexact, but generally he uses language to be precise and no more than that. (That's about the worst, and I find it fascinating.) At least he doesn't use the 'ornate style'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphuism) Though that can be fun too.Quote from: Alan GewirthTo call a principle "moral," in turn, is to indicate that it sets forth as categorically obligatory certain requirements for action that are addressed at least in part to all actual or prospective agents and that are concerned with furthering the interests, especially the most important interests, of persons or recipients other than or in addition to the agent or the speaker.
Philosophy major? I have no idea how you folks can stand the run-on sentences in a lot of those books. My eyes just blur over.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 02:50:36 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 15, 2009, 03:08:13 am
Quote from: Alan GewirthTo call a principle "moral," in turn, is to indicate that it sets forth as categorically obligatory certain requirements for action that are addressed at least in part to all actual or prospective agents and that are concerned with furthering the interests, especially the most important interests, of persons or recipients other than or in addition to the agent or the speaker.
Philosophy major? I have no idea how you folks can stand the run-on sentences in a lot of those books. My eyes just blur over.
Now you get why I get so verbose when I'm accused.
Post by: Vector on December 15, 2009, 03:16:12 am
Knew I'd get a comment from direction-man.
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He's a little overexact, but generally he uses language to be precise and no more than that. (That's about the worst, and I find it fascinating.) At least he doesn't use the 'ornate style'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphuism) Though that can be fun too.
I actually find the "ornate style" pretty easy to understand, comparatively. The example on the wiki seemed very straightforward (of course, it also looked a lot like Victor Hugo's poetic style, and I've spent a good long time reading him. More specifically, Pour les Pauvres). I think it's the attempt at balanced writing and structures--it slots into the part of my brain that likes patterns, and suddenly everything is good.
I just can't stand the long strings of unbroken technical language. I tend to prefer this sort of thing:
Quote from: Walter Rudin, Principles of Mathematical Analysis
Let f: X -> Y be a continuous function, X a compact metric space, Y a metric space. Then f is uniformly continuous.
No extra words, nothing unneeded in a given sentence. Extremely precise formal writing that doesn't hurt. Certainly, the sentences become fragmented and may in turn lose their literary elegance; however, in terms of pure comprehensibility and clarity, I think I prefer the mathematical style. The paucity of qualifiers and punctuation puts a greater emphasis on the concepts themselves and their comprehension, not on any attempts required to exhume a thesis from musty rhetoric.
This is kind of sad, coming from a person who actually almost majored in literature. Alas, how the mighty have fallen.
Now you get why I get so verbose when I'm accused.
Hah. You're like a syntax-skunk.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 03:41:32 am
There's, oh, one word in there that doesn't mean exactly what it does in vernacular (agent- someone capable of acting)- I hate philosophers who construct their own languagespaces.Knew I'd get a comment from direction-man.
[...]
He's a little overexact, but generally he uses language to be precise and no more than that. (That's about the worst, and I find it fascinating.) At least he doesn't use the 'ornate style'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphuism) Though that can be fun too.
I actually find the "ornate style" pretty easy to understand, comparatively. The example on the wiki seemed very straightforward (of course, it also looked a lot like Victor Hugo's poetic style, and I've spent a good long time reading him. More specifically, Pour les Pauvres). I think it's the attempt at balanced writing and structures--it slots into the part of my brain that likes patterns, and suddenly everything is good.
I just can't stand the long strings of unbroken technical language. I tend to prefer this sort of thing:
Quote from: Walter Rudin, [i
Principles of Mathematical Analysis[/i]]Let f: X -> Y be a continuous function, X a compact metric space, Y a metric space. Then f is uniformly continuous.In this example, though I understand the concept of a continuous function(lim(f(x), x->x0) = f(x0) ∀ x0 ∈ range(f))...this definition makes no sense to me, prima facie, because "compact" "metric" "space" all are jargon terms that I, as yet, do not know.
Quote
The paucity of qualifiers and punctuation puts a greater emphasis on the concepts themselves and their comprehension, not on any attempts required to exhume a thesis from musty rhetoric.That's some good musty rhetoric! :D
Post by: Vector on December 15, 2009, 04:10:59 am
Spoiler: More conversing on sentence structure (click to show/hide)
It's my curse--I'm generally good at old-fashioned formal writing, but I have trouble reading it. My professors seem to like it, though >_>Town, if CK and I can sit around bickering about sentence structure tomorrow by virtue of your silence, I'm going to be very disappointed.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 04:16:02 am
Your opaque bloody maunderings in the Webadict thread were most edifying. Have you looked at Para2 (I think it was para2...yes, para2) yet?
Post by: Vector on December 15, 2009, 04:21:23 am
Commas are needed to separate clauses or...what's the term...anyway, on second/third reading, "in turn" and "especially" bits can be trimmed out with no loss.
Your opaque bloody maunderings in the Webadict thread were most edifying. Have you looked at Para2 (I think it was para2...yes, para2) yet?
So you break it up into separate sentences, and save your readers the work of traipsing through your slodge.
Though I've looked at Para2, I'm not entirely sure why you're referring me to it. Vig-claim, or was it something else in particular?
Also, I think "maundering" wins the "word of the day" contest. Very nice.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 04:32:35 am
Post by: Vector on December 15, 2009, 04:37:39 am
WEll, the early paranormals actually have a lot of RP in them. Para2 went down in my karma notes for it. They're all better reads thanks to this. And, it's generally done in a manner that does not detract from the action of the game nor supplant it.
Ah, I understand. I shall go study them, when I'm not busy failing my game theory class.
But for now...
<rerail>
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 04:40:08 am
Sounds like you're choosing a nondominant strategy.WEll, the early paranormals actually have a lot of RP in them. Para2 went down in my karma notes for it. They're all better reads thanks to this. And, it's generally done in a manner that does not detract from the action of the game nor supplant it.
Ah, I understand. I shall go study them, when I'm not busy failing my game theory class.
But for now...
<rerail>
Post by: Vector on December 15, 2009, 05:37:52 am
Sounds like you're choosing a nondominant strategy.
Hah. Yes, this semester has been a special one.
Post by: Rooster on December 15, 2009, 07:42:40 am
So, sucking it up doing mah thing. (Unvote)
Org! You survivor you! (Yes I had something stonger but was told not to do that so I won't)
You voted Nirur just so votes would be tied? You survivor you!
(More reasonable stuff: Nirur seems calm enough to make me think he might be town. But of course he may be just testing our courage and stuff...
More talking on Nirur when I get back)
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 15, 2009, 07:54:36 am
If I'm reading this right, I already claimed: white.I'm getting suspicious of LASD and Glyph, simply because they're not drawing attention to themselves in a game where most people are dropping many scumtells.Wait, are you suggesting I should seem more scummy because others do that? You want it to be easier to blend in?
However, I don't really like the thought of lynching Nirur Torir. I'm find it hard to believe that MagmaDeath and Vector would have agreed to Nirur tunneling his scumbuddy on Day 1.
The Ajah question was a veiled and failed attempt to get people to say the Townie color they were given in the Role PM (the only information the Mafia likely doesn't have) but I'm suspecting now that Townies aren't all the same color after all. Still, do you think there'd be any benefit for claiming them? (Or is the risk of revealing a potential Doctor too great?) And if you think so, say who'd you'd like to claim first so that scum can't just copy townies. Or we could just go by votes, but personally I'd like to see CobaltKobold go first if the time comes....OK. Here's a good reason: it's in your role PM. ;)
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Oi. Fine. If somebody besides Errol gives me a valid, original reason on why I should vote myself, with no objections, I will. I don't intend to spend my weekend defending myself from the spotlight while the scum gets off freely.So far, most of the scum hunting has been for "That's not a townie thing to do!" That doesn't necessarily make it a scummy thing to do, just an anti-townie thing. We've got too many townies doing anti-town things for that to be a deciding factor.There are no third-parties in BM. OK, here's a good reason to vote yourself: You do antitown things. By your own admission e'en.I hate to join a bandwagon, but I'm going to have to agree with Org. His perpetual null-tells make him a liability at Lylo.Here's another one- picking a "null/neutral" to lynch over an "antitown".
Nirur = scum.
Please further elaborate on why you want Org to still be around at Lylo.
Your reasons for me to vote myself are lame. It feels like you're trying a bit too hard to push me to vote myself.
Still .... Unvote. Vote Nirur Torir.
Post by: dakarian on December 15, 2009, 08:28:34 am
Either those two are of the White and Brown or those two Ajahs have been very lax in their recruitment.
Sorry. I could just SEE Vector giving an cool-eyed frown while Cobalt tries to show off the very papers she's referencing.
*cough*
Current Vote Count:
Rooster[2]: GlyphGryph, Org
Nirur Torir[2]: CobaltKobold, Nirur Torir
Org[3]: LASD, Errol, Rooster
Org did not unvote, thus her vote stays where it is.
Deadline: Wednesday, 9pm EST
Post by: Errol on December 15, 2009, 08:50:44 am
Nirur Torir, you are an old flipflopping scumbucket who deserves to hang. If we don't do this now, God knows when we'll finally go through with this.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 15, 2009, 09:03:43 am
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Oi. Fine. If somebody besides Errol gives me a valid, original reason on why I should vote myself, with no objections, I will. I don't intend to spend my weekend defending myself from the spotlight while the scum gets off freely.
I said I would, and so I did.
Post by: Rooster on December 15, 2009, 10:01:07 am
He also votes himself.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 15, 2009, 10:52:30 am
It's going to take me forever to figure out what the hell is going on now.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 15, 2009, 11:02:18 am
Nirur: Do you like Toony man if you know what I mean?You spelled his name wrong. It's ToonyMan.
He also votes himself.
That answer your question?
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 15, 2009, 11:28:57 am
You seem intent as all hell on sowing chaos and WIFOM and throwing people off, you've been sending scum tell after scum tell, and you've made it pretty much impossible to think of you as town.
Rooster, you're not off the hook. But for now, finally, you are somehow looking less scummy than someone else.
And CK, throwing the thread wildly off topic? Bad! Vector? Also Bad! :P
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 15, 2009, 11:53:32 am
Errol, please explain why you tried to convince me to vote myself, then started voting me when I did vote myself.
Glyph, please explain how voting myself after I said I would is sowing chaos.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 15, 2009, 12:00:54 pm
The only possible reason I can think of to make the offer is sowing WIFOM, and whether or not you followed through with it doesn't much matter - it was a scummy as all hell thing to do.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 15, 2009, 12:04:25 pm
Anyway, I'm off for a while. I have a final in a few hours that I need to study for.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 15, 2009, 12:07:34 pm
Good luck on your own finals.
Post by: Rooster on December 15, 2009, 12:11:31 pm
That doesn't make any sense.
And why would somebody that lurks like Org make sense?
That's definitely an apathy syndrome!
Glyph Gryph: ToonyMan votes for himself. That's not that weird. At least not weirder than some things.
I encouraged you to convince town to vote for me remember? That's not a scum move. That's a bad move in general. Sometimes bad move isn't so bad afterall
With saying that, I'm thinking Org, or Nirur are scum. Thinking Org, more than Nirur now, tho.
Post by: Errol on December 15, 2009, 12:23:23 pm
After further thought:
Errol, please explain why you tried to convince me to vote myself, then started voting me when I did vote myself.
You said you would selfvote if two other people voted for you with good reasons, which is fine. If soaked in WIFOM.
But when the person pursuing you already unvoted you, this seems a little strange. Especially when one of the two people is Org.
On second thought, Orgs reason was servicable - you were a little too happy to shift the focus on someone else. Out of the crosshairs... but not out of the radar.
Old reason shot down, new reason detected. You are still scum. Brace yourself for the impact.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 15, 2009, 12:37:49 pm
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Oi. Fine. If somebody besides Errol gives me a valid, original reason on why I should vote myself, with no objections, I will. I don't intend to spend my weekend defending myself from the spotlight while the scum gets off freely.
I said I would, and so I did.
Errol, if you make me correct you a second time for misquoting that, I'm going to have to call for a Lynch All Liars.
Post by: Rooster on December 15, 2009, 12:56:56 pm
Makes sense... not.
Seriously don't make me unvote org and vote you
Post by: Org on December 15, 2009, 04:41:49 pm
Jacquin glances at Vector and CobaltKobold speaking to each other dramatically. She realizes, though, that they are discussing....no, she has no clue what they are discussing.Unvote Vote Nirur
Either those two are of the White and Brown or those two Ajahs have been very lax in their recruitment.
Sorry. I could just SEE Vector giving an cool-eyed frown while Cobalt tries to show off the very papers she's referencing.
*cough*
Current Vote Count:
Rooster[2]: GlyphGryph, Org
Nirur Torir[2]: CobaltKobold, Nirur Torir
Org[3]: LASD, Errol, Rooster
Org did not unvote, thus her vote stays where it is.
Deadline: Wednesday, 9pm EST
AND HIS VOTE
Post by: Rooster on December 15, 2009, 06:05:11 pm
AND HIS VOTE
And what is that supposed to mean this time?
If you're going to do it like that (And I know it's just you, and you don't have much time) I'm going to judge you normally.
Which is: i feel you voted Nirur so that YOU won't get lynched, and therefore you being scum makes an Occham (is that how you spell that?) razor solution
Post by: Org on December 15, 2009, 06:21:49 pm
His, as in he, as in Male. Duh.AND HIS VOTE
And what is that supposed to mean this time?
If you're going to do it like that (And I know it's just you, and you don't have much time) I'm going to judge you normally.
Which is: i feel you voted Nirur so that YOU won't get lynched, and therefore you being scum makes an Occham (is that how you spell that?) razor solution
I think that you are being dumb. Mislynch is bad.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 15, 2009, 07:39:45 pm
So that's why you decided to to answer my (if trivial) question!Long answer: No, I'm not quite sure what you meant by your question about ToonyMan. He amuses me, and I've seen him get (fake?)-offended at people for not capitalizing the 'M.'
Makes sense... not.
Seriously don't make me unvote org and vote you
Unvote. Vote Errol. Why is it that, not only did you try to convince me to vote myself, you used it as a method for pushing me towards lynch when I fulfilled my conditions and voted for myself? Seems you forced me into a Catch-22.
Had I refused to agree to ever vote myself, I've little doubt that you would have pushed for a lynch on the grounds of "Only scum are so caught up on surviving."
Had I refused to vote myself after agreeing, it would have been "Lynch All Liars"
As it stands, you misinterpreted what I said, even after I re-quoted it again. Town has little reason to exaggerate scumtells, while scum are served very well by blowing things out of proportion to get others lynched.
So tell me, what was the point of even asking in the first place? Or are you going to tell me that you weren't really trying to get me to vote for myself?
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 15, 2009, 08:16:48 pm
Post by: Org on December 15, 2009, 10:03:46 pm
ROOSTER IS SCUM JEEZ HE TRIES TO ACT LIKE ME AND ITS NOT HELPING TOWN
Post by: Rooster on December 16, 2009, 01:59:31 am
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 16, 2009, 07:12:59 am
If I'm reading this right, I already claimed: white.I'm getting suspicious of LASD and Glyph, simply because they're not drawing attention to themselves in a game where most people are dropping many scumtells.Wait, are you suggesting I should seem more scummy because others do that? You want it to be easier to blend in?
However, I don't really like the thought of lynching Nirur Torir. I'm find it hard to believe that MagmaDeath and Vector would have agreed to Nirur tunneling his scumbuddy on Day 1.
The Ajah question was a veiled and failed attempt to get people to say the Townie color they were given in the Role PM (the only information the Mafia likely doesn't have) but I'm suspecting now that Townies aren't all the same color after all. Still, do you think there'd be any benefit for claiming them? (Or is the risk of revealing a potential Doctor too great?) And if you think so, say who'd you'd like to claim first so that scum can't just copy townies. Or we could just go by votes, but personally I'd like to see CobaltKobold go first if the time comes....OK. Here's a good reason: it's in your role PM. ;)
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Oi. Fine. If somebody besides Errol gives me a valid, original reason on why I should vote myself, with no objections, I will. I don't intend to spend my weekend defending myself from the spotlight while the scum gets off freely.So far, most of the scum hunting has been for "That's not a townie thing to do!" That doesn't necessarily make it a scummy thing to do, just an anti-townie thing. We've got too many townies doing anti-town things for that to be a deciding factor.There are no third-parties in BM. OK, here's a good reason to vote yourself: You do antitown things. By your own admission e'en.I hate to join a bandwagon, but I'm going to have to agree with Org. His perpetual null-tells make him a liability at Lylo.Here's another one- picking a "null/neutral" to lynch over an "antitown".
Nirur = scum.
Basically, your stated reasons come down to: "You voted Org! Die, scum!"
Post by: Org on December 16, 2009, 07:21:01 am
Org aren't you supposed to lurk till the end?I know rite?
Post by: Errol on December 16, 2009, 07:29:29 am
Thanks Org. I never thought you would save me from suicide. And now that finals are over, I can concentrate properly on scumhunting.So that's why you decided to to answer my (if trivial) question!Long answer: No, I'm not quite sure what you meant by your question about ToonyMan. He amuses me, and I've seen him get (fake?)-offended at people for not capitalizing the 'M.'
Makes sense... not.
Seriously don't make me unvote org and vote you
Unvote. Vote Errol. Why is it that, not only did you try to convince me to vote myself, you used it as a method for pushing me towards lynch when I fulfilled my conditions and voted for myself? Seems you forced me into a Catch-22.
Had I refused to agree to ever vote myself, I've little doubt that you would have pushed for a lynch on the grounds of "Only scum are so caught up on surviving."
Had I refused to vote myself after agreeing, it would have been "Lynch All Liars"
As it stands, you misinterpreted what I said, even after I re-quoted it again. Town has little reason to exaggerate scumtells, while scum are served very well by blowing things out of proportion to get others lynched.
So tell me, what was the point of even asking in the first place? Or are you going to tell me that you weren't really trying to get me to vote for myself?
It was supposed to be a distraction so that I can find the real scum, only that you are the real scum. Funny, right? And now, I am in phase four. I am convinced that you are scum, and so I intend to see you hang.
Looking back, I should have clarified my point after you accused me of mis-reading, only that I didn't bother to do so because I thought it was irrelevant. I'm not just lynching you for this bureaucratic mistake. I'm lynching you for all the reasons I mentioned in my first vote, too. And if this turns out to be a huge slugfest between two townies, the survivors will have so much intel they'll not even have enough time to process it.
You voted Org to distract people from you. Scum!
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 16, 2009, 07:53:54 am
[....]
BTW, if you were all that intent in lynching Rooster, you would have stuck with it. You wouldn't have made this unnecessarily complex by surprise-lunging at Cobalt, and then suddenly switching back. Your explanation for the latest flop is fishy, as the majority was decided at that point.
Town does not play like that. Town prefers clarity, not complexity. Therefore, I propose cutting the knot by lynching you, so that town is able to see clearly again.
So, you tried to get me to vote myself to distract the "real scum" long enough for you to find them? Sounds overly complex. By your own words, you are scummy. I also fail to see how two townies trying to rip each other's throats out gives massive amounts of intel, aside from who sided with who.
I'm see no reason to continue attempts to justify my earlier Org vote.
Post by: Errol on December 16, 2009, 10:19:45 am
Nope, your vote-for-yourself thing was an attempt to lure scum out, and because I, at that point, was rather fed up with you. I'm rather swayable by my own emotions. Scum that would vote for you for fishy reasons, scum that would vote for me for fishy reasons, scum that would suspiciously abstain... or the scum in plain sight, your species. Trying to distract scum with that action of mine would be a stupid plan.
But still, the reasoning stands - you weasel around, you die. If the town wants to apply the same thing to me later, sure, go ahead. But you are first.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 16, 2009, 11:00:21 am
Alright, let's just assume I'm town but am getting lynched anyway. Why? It let's me focus on scumhunting, and removes the tunnel vision everybody else has me. I'd rather be able to contribute to the conversation, and my logic won't be construed as WIFOM after I flip town. I realize I've made too many mistakes that make me look scummy, so I'm done defending myself for this game. I still intend to question attacks made against me.
Unvote.
I want everybody to state two people besides myself that they are suspicious of, and why.
I'm quite suspicious of CobaltKobold, followed by Gryph.
CobaltKobold was just too quick to jump on me, after a mostly quiet day 1. He's too fixated on me. As I said earlier, I expected to be .... (Confusing argument that I tried earlier.)
Simplification, using Joe in place of historical me, and me as Magma's partner. Joe voted Magma, who flipped scum. I want revenge, but expect Joe to be protected by a doctor. I NK some random person, then try to get Joe lynched.
This is what I feel CobaltKobold is doing, after re-reading all his day 2 posts. Could just be me trying to go for more WIFOM, so I don't expect anyone to take it seriously until after my lynch.
I still need to re-read day 2 a few more times for other people, but Glyph is doing a very good job of flying under the radar.
Errol, you run a very close third, mostly because of your general demeanor.
Org ... I don't really think he's scum this time around. I'm probably just biased because he tried to save me from a lynch though.
Post by: Errol on December 16, 2009, 01:05:40 pm
Spot two goes for LASD. He simply has too clean a sheet. It's really odd how he drops no scumtell whatsoever.
But I've got no leads other than Nirur, so I can't really suspect people.
Post by: Rooster on December 16, 2009, 01:25:34 pm
If you're going to suspect Glyph, then because he picks too easy targets, I'm obvious target, and it would be just fine if people just sticked to me, which I tried to provoke. But no! when you get kicked he votes you? Weird, but not scummy. Although you have the right to send me hate PM's if he would turn up scum that killed us all.
But you Nirur are suspicious, but not as Org right now. I don't know what is he doing, but instead of trying to save himself, he should just lurk away like he always does.
So... in case of LASD no scumtell is a scumtell?
Cobalt Kobold is acting funny, but I can't point to specifics.
Errol has some confuzing posts, but I don't think that it's him/her, that goes around killing people.
Post by: Org on December 16, 2009, 02:42:46 pm
I hate your logic. It makes perfect sense, but I hate it because it means I don't get to play anymore.Actually...I was going to die. Not you. So Im only trying to save mahself
Alright, let's just assume I'm town but am getting lynched anyway. Why? It let's me focus on scumhunting, and removes the tunnel vision everybody else has me. I'd rather be able to contribute to the conversation, and my logic won't be construed as WIFOM after I flip town. I realize I've made too many mistakes that make me look scummy, so I'm done defending myself for this game. I still intend to question attacks made against me.
Unvote.
I want everybody to state two people besides myself that they are suspicious of, and why.
I'm quite suspicious of CobaltKobold, followed by Gryph.
CobaltKobold was just too quick to jump on me, after a mostly quiet day 1. He's too fixated on me. As I said earlier, I expected to be .... (Confusing argument that I tried earlier.)
Simplification, using Joe in place of historical me, and me as Magma's partner. Joe voted Magma, who flipped scum. I want revenge, but expect Joe to be protected by a doctor. I NK some random person, then try to get Joe lynched.
This is what I feel CobaltKobold is doing, after re-reading all his day 2 posts. Could just be me trying to go for more WIFOM, so I don't expect anyone to take it seriously until after my lynch.
I still need to re-read day 2 a few more times for other people, but Glyph is doing a very good job of flying under the radar.
Errol, you run a very close third, mostly because of your general demeanor.
Org ... I don't really think he's scum this time around. I'm probably just biased because he tried to save me from a lynch though.
Post by: dakarian on December 16, 2009, 04:21:44 pm
Nirur Torir[4]: CobaltKobold, Errol, GlyphGryph, Org
Org[2]: LASD, Rooster
Not Voting: Nirur Torir,
Deadline: Wednesday, 9pm EST
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 16, 2009, 04:53:12 pm
Org is a greater threat to the town's sanity then I am.
Glyph, get back here and answer my question. You were on earlier, and I know you aren't completely sure that I'm scum. Which two people besides me do you think is scum, and why?
CobaltKobold, LASD, you also have yet to respond.
Post by: LASD on December 16, 2009, 05:50:27 pm
The two most suspicious at this point? Org (not necessarily most suspicious, but riskiest) and Errol (Little by little, I've been getting a stronger scum-vibe from her. There's just something off. I have to investigate further.) Bonus choice: CobaltKobold, she pokes her head up at only the most crucial times to make sure of kills. She is also the main driving force behind Nirur's lynch, though that would be a rather bold thing of scum to do.
Spot two goes for LASD. He simply has too clean a sheet. It's really odd how he drops no scumtell whatsoever.Nirur made this argument earlier and it's still a bad one. First of all, no one plays that good scum, especially in Beginner's Mafia. Second, lynching people for not seeming like scum sounds really anti-town. Third, the more people throw scumtells, the easier it is for scum to hide. Fourth, with nothing to hide, it's quite possible to avoid looking like scum.
Actually...I was going to die. Not you. So Im only trying to save mahselfWhy are you trying to save yourself, except because you're scum? If you don't think she's scum you should die willingly, letting the more active scumhunter live. Or find real scum to lynch. Now you're just hurting the town.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 16, 2009, 06:51:07 pm
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Glyph, get back here and answer my question. You were on earlier, and I know you aren't completely sure that I'm scum. Which two people besides me do you think is scum, and why?
Well, Rooster, obviously. He spent Day 1 laying low, when I started to push him he went flying off the handle, and the host of reasons I've repeated more than once. He's been pretty good since you started acting up, but that doesn't absolve him of all the suspicious behaviour I saw before then. The fact that he's gotten away with what he's done so far amazes me.
Other than that, Errol and Org have both seemed sort of scummy to me at various points, but moreso Errol if I had to choose. I just don't know what to do about Org.
But something that caught my eye just now, LASD
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no one plays that good scum, especially in Beginner's MafiaI don't know how many games you've played before or how much experience you have, but you haven't exactly been doing a lot of scumhunting either. I also think "lack of scumtells = scum" is a terrible argument, but I find it suspicious how you get from there to "so there's no way I could possibly be scum because I'm not that good".
Quote from: Errol
And, since we already hit mafia, we can spare a townie or two. No reason to go all out until lylo.I have to be honest, I really don't like this sentiment. Technically, yeah, we can lose a townie and keep going at this point, and your overall argument might stand - IF there was any evidence that it would actually lead us to mafia instead of just losing us two townies (counting the ensuing nightkill), but the idea that just because we're not at lylo we don't have to "go all out"... we're a lot better off if we never GET to lylo.
Post by: Org on December 16, 2009, 07:46:06 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 16, 2009, 08:01:16 pm
The game's only about you being alive if you're scum, considering there is no survivalist.
CobaltKobold still needs to answer me. Stop hiding and answer me, the day ends in 1-4 hours.
Post by: Org on December 16, 2009, 08:48:53 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 16, 2009, 08:53:52 pm
Actually...I was going to die. Not you. So Im only trying to save mahself...goddamnit org is being org.
Nirur, if you're asking me a question, point it out- I see no statements addressed to me with question marks.
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 16, 2009, 08:57:36 pm
Final words:
I find it ironic how I'm a better player when I'm scum. I suppose I got overconfident and didn't screen my own posts much after successfully getting Magma lynched on day one, assuming that I wouldn't really get lynched after that. The WIFOM was completely accidental, I'll have to watch myself carefully in the future so the scum cannot take advantage of me.
Quote from: Not a real quote
I want you to identify two people who you think are the most likely scum, not including me. I'm getting lynched anyway.
...
I wonder if I'll get better flavor text if I help to lynch myself.
For honor!
Unvote. Vote Nirur Torir.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 16, 2009, 09:25:51 pm
Back to paper.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 16, 2009, 09:26:15 pm
I MUST SUICIDE FOR HONORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Post by: dakarian on December 16, 2009, 09:41:02 pm
CobaltKobold, own voice stood in direct contrast, "but the manorisms, the tone, the reactions. There's no other solution, you are.."
"Stop it! I'm not, I swear it!"
Errol had a thoughtful expression during the exchange. She finished CobaltKobold's statement for her, "..you are Black Ajah."
A glow surrounded Errol and CobaltKobold-the sign that they are using the One Power-and quickly, two flows of spirit formed a Shield, sending it at Nirur Torir as soon as it was complete. The other woman, however, started glowing as well, and whips of the Power were sent out, breaking up the Shields: the rebound of the breaks struck back at Errol and CobaltKobold, sending the two staggering back to the wall. Others had noticed and quickly joined against Nirur Torir. Air to bind and Spirit to Shield were stopped before they could strike home while the defender stepped back telling everyone that she will not be taken.
Suddenly, a flow of Spirit, much more powerful than the others struck Nirur Torir. The flow was similar to the Shield but...sharper, like the difference between a block of metal and a knife edge. Nirur Torir struck at the flow, but was repelled. Before she could try again, the flow reached her, sliding between her and the Power like a knife in truth.
Nirur Torir stared past the other women. Her face lost the calm exterior-a calmness that took decades to fully master, to be there no matter what she truly felt. Instead, shock gave way to panic and was soon replaced by sheer terror. Soon, she was screaming, the entire world forgotten, even after the others reached her. It would be a long time before she would stop.
It took no time for the others to realize what had happened: the knife-like flow of spirit was not to Shield but to Still... to cut a woman-permanently-from the One Power. Nirur Torir would never be able to use the Power again, no matter what was tried for her or what she did for herself. To Aes Sedai, it was like a death sentence. It is not just losing a power you grew to rely on. Every woman that was Stilled simply gave up the desire to live afterwards: none survived more than a few depressing years.
It was unclear who actually Stilled Nirur Torir. However, it was clear that whoever did was one of the Black Ajah who decided to strike when she knew she had the chance. That makes Nirur Torir another death of this madness.
Death in all but truth. Afterwards, she left to her room. She would not come out again until she died, not long afterwards.
Nirur Torir, Townie, has been lynched.
(sidenote: meh, there's no Gray coloring)
It is now Night. Night Roles, send me your choices.
Post by: dakarian on December 17, 2009, 06:23:19 pm
Errol was one of the last to enter the room. Casually, she walked to her seat, coughed softly to gather everyone's attention and said, "My sister is dead. The servants are already taking care of her final rites." This was said calmly. She had a good day today. The servants have finished with the laundry. That was her tone. After her announcement, she sit down and started her discussion about the Black Ajah.
While all Aes Sedai called each other 'sister', some were actual sisters in truth, such as Errol and CobaltKobold.
Jacquin stared at the other woman, then blinked and shut her mouth with a click. After a swallow, she sputtered, "J..just like that? T.that's all you want to say? Not even a question why?!"
Errol turned to Jacquin and said, cooly, "She was killed with the Power, just like the others. I am doing the very best thing I can do: find her killer. Anything else would be a waste." With that, she turned back to debate with others, who were still too busy staring to hear her.
CobaltKobold, Townie, has bee killed in the night.
It is now day,
Deadline: Monday, 9pm EST.
Survivors:
Errol
Org
GlyphGryph
LASD
Rooster
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 17, 2009, 07:01:56 pm
Flavor delayed till later. Cause: host not feeling well.I seem to be cursed to not get dead chat links unless I prod the host.
CobaltKobold, Townie, has been killed in the night.
It is now day,
Deadline: Monday, 9pm EST.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 17, 2009, 07:32:33 pm
Now let's see...
Bad night.
Rooster, I'm still suspicious of you. I really don't how easily you seem to have slipped in the background, and I want to know why you seem so intent on Org staying in lurky mode.
Quote from: Rooster
I don't know what is he doing, but instead of trying to save himself, he should just lurk away like he always does.
Quote from: Rooster
Org aren't you supposed to lurk till the end?Combined with you voting him, it just paints an odd picture - It's not really a scumtell, as far as I can see, but you've already sent out dozens of those and its just one more thing to make you look suspicious.
But, for now my vote goes to LASD.
Get in here and respond to my accusation.
Post by: CobaltKobold on December 17, 2009, 08:04:33 pm
He DID say he wasn't feeling well. Get well soon dakarian!Clearly my curse has reached out and afflicted the mod!
Get well.
Post by: dakarian on December 17, 2009, 08:56:43 pm
As for dead chat... :P ok, I can't blame the sickness there: I DID plain old forgot.
Post by: Rooster on December 17, 2009, 11:16:16 pm
The majority was on Org no?
And you commited suicide?
After I told you not to give up?
Depressing
Org did that!
Post by: Errol on December 18, 2009, 05:49:51 am
I'm surprised that people didn't lunge at me the second day started, but I'm not complaining.
Okay. Errol, Rooster, GlyphGryph, Org and LASD are still alive.
This poses a slight problem with nulltells at Lylo (although it would be hilarious to see Orgscum win the game), so we have to see who gets eliminated this time. There's also a doctor around, but I know that I'm not the doc.
Lynching a random person would get us a scum result 20% of the time. This is too small. So we need to scumhunt.
Glyph, please give us a plan how to continue.
Post by: Errol on December 18, 2009, 05:56:39 am
Unvote. Vote Rooster.
You were not helpful at all during the former days. You were accused of bussing your scumbuddy. You very narrowly escaped the noose. You painted a damn large target on your ass. Well, I'm aiming the artillery.
Post by: LASD on December 18, 2009, 08:59:30 am
But, for now my vote goes to LASD.Which accusation? That I'm not scumhunting much? Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I just find it hard to pick a specific target to pursue and Team Fortress 2's newest update sucks my time at home. I'm trying to get better.
Get in here and respond to my accusation.
(although it would be hilarious to see Orgscum win the game), so we have to see who gets eliminated this time. There's also a doctor around, but I know that I'm not the doc.Seeing Org win this game as scum would be absolutely frustrating. And doctor? How could you know that?
Despite how much I want to lynch Org (and Rooster) for hurting the town, I still think Errol is the most suspicious of the people here, though he too says things that wouldn't make sense as scum, like:
I'm surprised that people didn't lunge at me the second day started, but I'm not complaining.Tell me, why did you expect we would?
And this:
Please, Rooster, do not lapse into that track again. Please. We can't afford to waste a lynch on you.
Unvote. Vote Rooster.Nice. Pretty quick read and change of mind.
Post by: Errol on December 18, 2009, 09:37:52 am
But, for now my vote goes to LASD.Which accusation? That I'm not scumhunting much? Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I just find it hard to pick a specific target to pursue and Team Fortress 2's newest update sucks my time at home. I'm trying to get better.
Get in here and respond to my accusation.(although it would be hilarious to see Orgscum win the game), so we have to see who gets eliminated this time. There's also a doctor around, but I know that I'm not the doc.Seeing Org win this game as scum would be absolutely frustrating. And doctor? How could you know that?
Despite how much I want to lynch Org (and Rooster) for hurting the town, I still think Errol is the most suspicious of the people here, though he too says things that wouldn't make sense as scum, like:
And this:Please, Rooster, do not lapse into that track again. Please. We can't afford to waste a lynch on you.Unvote. Vote Rooster.Nice. Pretty quick read and change of mind.
Aargh aargh aargh. Proofread posts. I'd have edited the first if it weren't for the rules.
I'm surprised that people didn't lunge at me the second day started, but I'm not complaining.Tell me, why did you expect we would?
Because I was the driving force behind the lynching of Nirur, and because I'm practically oozing scumtells. And because of frequent, frequent voteflopping. ;)
(although it would be hilarious to see Orgscum win the game), so we have to see who gets eliminated this time. There's also a doctor around, but I know that I'm not the doc.Seeing Org win this game as scum would be absolutely frustrating. And doctor? How could you know that?
The standard setup involves a cop and a doc, and I saw no reason that this shouldn't be the case here. But the doc's quite the nonfactor at the moment. Tomorrow will be lylo no matter whether the doc intervened, as I assume we will lynch someone today.
Orgscum would be... funny. And, Org would win a game.
Please, Rooster, do not lapse into that track again. Please. We can't afford to waste a lynch on you.Unvote. Vote Rooster.Nice. Pretty quick read and change of mind.
Well, I had another perspective after reading the thread again. It's not like it damn well matters because nobody even posted in the meantime. And the arguments Nirur gave for lynching Rooster back then are pretty compelling. Like I said before, I should really get a careful assessment of the situation, proofread twice and only then push the post button. This is a lesson I learned.
Actually, assuming we had a strategy, it would involve eliminating Org. Because any half-decent scum won't kill him off and god knows what he will do at lylo, but helping town will probably be the last thing he'll do.
I won't change my vote again, because you'll interpret all sorts of shit in that action. But I have to warn you that lynching me - unless I am scum - will lose you the game.
Post by: Rooster on December 18, 2009, 10:24:03 am
See what he does at LCS mafia. Not cool.
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But I have to warn you that lynching me - unless I am scum - will lose you the game.
That was quite distastefull. This game is overflowing in suicidals and people that hang on to their lives.
This won't end well.
The fact is I don't think eighter Errol and LASD being scum and acting like this would make sense. It's not like they don't drop scumtells, but scumtells have to make sense no? Errol has scumtells, LASD has almost no scumtells (which is kinda a scumtell), I have, Org has.
But we should think if somebody's scum, and not about the fact that someone (*COUGHMECOUGH*) is mentally challenged.
I still think Org should die tho.
Post by: Errol on December 18, 2009, 12:30:47 pm
But I'll see what others have to say here.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 12:33:02 pm
Seriously Nirur, why did you do it?Rooster
The majority was on Org no?
And you commited suicide?
After I told you not to give up?
Depressing
Org did that!
I lol'd reading his arguement, because there wasn't one. Nice trying an easy lynch dood.
Sorry, was takin mah AP stats exam. Hehehe
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 18, 2009, 02:33:57 pm
The whole series of logic seemed flawed, but its not a scumtell so much, I just wanted you to clarify how that makes ANY sense, so UNVOTE.
Rooster, I still think you're scum. You spent many days sowing chaos, and then as soon as we targeted someone else (Nirur) you calmed down big time. Super-defensive to lurk, as soon as the pressure is off? Scummy as all hell. And ever since we stopped paying attention to you, it feels like you've been trying to set Org up for a lynch... not really scumhunting him, just commenting on how lynching him would be a good idea.
Errol, what is with the wink? You've been pretty inconsistant, I have to say, and very scummy... but you keep pointing it out though, which is what is frustrating - I can't see scum-you doing that, somehow.
Org... oh, Org. If you turn out to be scum, I'm going to policy lynch you every goddamn game from here on out.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 03:19:38 pm
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 03:20:09 pm
Post by: Errol on December 18, 2009, 03:22:20 pm
Wink is, if we mislynch today and Org survives to lylo, we have a huge problem. Can't blame you for voting Rooster, either. There's a good chance he is black ajah scum.
Oh god Org please quit the distractions.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 04:05:46 pm
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 05:54:45 pm
I need a replacement. Vacation
Post by: dakarian on December 18, 2009, 05:56:22 pm
Seeking 1 replacement for Org.
Post by: Rooster on December 18, 2009, 07:38:28 pm
Unvote
Post by: dakarian on December 18, 2009, 09:08:23 pm
Current Vote Count:
Rooster[3]: Errol, Org, GlyphGryph
Errol[1]: LASD
Not Voting: Rooster
Deadline: Monday, 9pm EST
Post by: LASD on December 21, 2009, 02:30:12 am
Is it customary to put the game on hold when there's a replacement pending?
Regardless:
LASD, let me clarify - the accusation was based on the statement you made stating it would be impossible for you to be scum, because this is a beginners mafia and thus you aren't that good,Well yeah, it's a rather foolish argument, though now I'd rather word it that it's rare to see scum who never drops a scumtell (why would we look for scumtells if it wasn't?). Still, I admit that making a statement practically telling "Look at me, there's no way I'm scum" is something that shouldn't be done and is, as such, a scumtell.
as such "we shouldn't go all out until LYLO".You're mixing persons, it was Errol who said that.
Post by: dakarian on December 21, 2009, 02:58:05 am
The lack of activity is more based on Christmas break+ the weekend. However, since Org is the only one that told me of any problems, I'm expecting everyone to return tomorrow.
Post by: Sonearage on December 21, 2009, 12:51:54 pm
Post by: dakarian on December 21, 2009, 03:35:42 pm
meanwhile, wakey wakey everyone. The weekend is over!
Post by: dakarian on December 21, 2009, 03:42:58 pm
Everyone else has been mass prodded. Note that this won't count towards your record. If I need to send another, however, I will count BOTH.
Deadline: Monday, 9PM EST
Post by: Sonearage on December 21, 2009, 03:59:40 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 21, 2009, 04:11:09 pm
So, Sonearage, what's it like taking over for someone like Org this late in the game? Were you hoping for scum, or town? What do you make of the game so far?
Post by: Sonearage on December 21, 2009, 04:27:42 pm
I'm not sure what I wanted, I haven't played many you see. I hoped maybe a change from last time, but I don't really mind what I am.
It was a bit confusing at first, on the way the conversation flowed, but I think that I have a good idea what's going on (hopefully).
Post by: Sonearage on December 21, 2009, 04:28:46 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 21, 2009, 05:57:01 pm
Also, what did you play in your last game?
Post by: LASD on December 21, 2009, 06:07:19 pm
Sonearage, if you don't share Org's suspicions, I suggest you unvote. If you keep your vote, explain why you are voting Rooster.
But I have to warn you that lynching me - unless I am scum - will lose you the game.Why you would you say that's even a possibility? With that part, the sentence doesn't really mean anything. And as even you think it might be possible that you're scum, I'm pretty happy having my vote on you.
Post by: dakarian on December 21, 2009, 06:49:47 pm
Post by: Rooster on December 21, 2009, 07:30:06 pm
For a while now, I wanted to wave the white flag...
Post by: dakarian on December 21, 2009, 09:56:30 pm
Extended to Tuesday, 9pm EST.
Now get to scumhunting, before the second prods come out.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 22, 2009, 02:08:57 am
I'm a naturally impatient person - If this doesn't hurry up I'm totally going to request a day shortening. So Sonearage, get in here and put out some damn good answers. You got a lot of org-lurking to make up for, so git hunting and make this extension worth it. :P
Anyways, so I went through and made an argument in this post for each player. Rooster just comes out the scummiest by and far, and the argument is long so its the only one I'm going to post. If you want to see the others let me know.
Day 1:
Rooster: Lurks almost the entire day. Posts to say, essentially "Whatever." to my questions and claim theres nothing for him to comment on. Finally, at my pushing, he claims he is "using a different tactic", posts a very defensive post in which he says I'm just attacking him because he's an easy target (Seriously? when Magma was around?) and then tries to shrug off my accusation by saying I lose credibility because he voted me first. Still no scumhunting, just defensiveness.
Finally votes for Nirur, one of the people attacking Magma. Hoping to draw fire off his scumbuddy? When it becomes clear Magma is going down, he switches his vote to Magma - exactly the sort of situation that screams "bus!"
Then Magma is voted off, saying he hopes Errol gets lynched. Is it because Errol is a partner who bused him early with no need, and its just out of anger? Possible, maybe, but doubtful. Most likely, it is WIFOM - and with a bunch of random townies, why target a scum partner?
Day 2:
Rooster: Immediately jumps on Nirur Torir, the person who led the charge against magma and just cast a vote against him. Very defensive. Claims he is acting like Org, despite... not. States outright he is trying to "mindfuck" us. Why would a townie try to mindfuck the town? Accuses me of following Nirur despite the fact that I was attacking him first. STILL doesn't respond to any of my accusations. then proceeds to personal insults. Claims to be emulating several different players in rapid succession.
Proceeds to flip the fuck out, to the point where gets warned by an ICto modify his actions. Seems very much like a panicked scum trying to do anything, find any way to weasel his way out of this situation. Despite all this, his scumhunting is weak at best. His sole goal appears to be to get attention off himself any way he can.
Proceeds to "cut the crap out" and become... well, passive. Not lurky like before, not explodey, but just... laid back. Passive. The weirdest part? It works! People stop attacking, start leaving him alone - and he stops jumping. Still, all his questions are along the line of why are you voting me? Did you policy vote me? Why are you doing a policy vote? Why do you think I am scummy? Other than that he asks things like btw, don't Org and Nirur look awwwwfully scummy?
Most of his posts after that are short, usually flinging an accusation of some sort against Nirur without any real force or hunting behind it. As if he wants Nirur lynched, but doesn't want to be seen leading the charge. After everyone switches to vote Nirur... he switches to Org? Doesn't want to have his vote on someone who he knows is going to get lynched on a confirmed townie?
And while his vote is on Org, he encourages org to lurk! Trying to set up Org for a future lynch? Comments like "Shouldn't you be lurking" and "instead of trying to save himself, he should just lurk away like he always does."
The Nirur gets lynched.
Day 3:
Rooster goes on attack against Org, then claims hes got no reason for it but his gut. Org leaves... and Rooster unvotes. He doesn't scumhunt anyone else, he barely scumhunted Org, and then he unvotes? And leaves it like that? And all he does is vote to extend, without a reason or any scumhunting involved?
ROOSTER! You are a scumbag! Why did you not press against soneage if you suspected Org? Why no hunting? Why haven't you pushed me, or Errol, or LASD, or ANYONE? Why do you seem so intent on blending into the background again, and only attacking easy targets like WIFOM-spewing Nirur, lurky Org, and your soon to be killed scummate?
Is it because... you're scum?
Post by: Errol on December 22, 2009, 03:35:25 am
Anyway. No reason to change from Rooster. I'm going to trust the hard facts and my first vote in this matter.
Post by: Sonearage on December 22, 2009, 07:49:03 am
Do they sound wishy washy? Why do you think that?
Post by: Rooster on December 22, 2009, 08:21:54 am
I'm having a hard time deciding, but I think it's Errol,
Errol said that the game will be lost if he dies, but now that I think about it, it doesn't make sense for scum to say that...
He attacked LASD for being somebody that acts too good. Scum would actually do that I think not.
So forget it, I don't think Errol is number 1 right now.
Then we have LASD. If he will be at final 3 and I think he will, it'd be better for him to be town, because if he's scum then scum won... again. But other than that, I don't think he's scum because scum would jump on me. Unless scum knows that. It's a WIFOM of sorts.
Sonerage, I admit. I voted Org, because he did some weird stuff, but actually he did that cause he was Org. Still I saw enough odd behavior even for Org. Like he did NOT lurk actually. He was active. So don't tell me now "oh it's just Org, or whatever". He's actually in the top posters I think? So he's busy. He's just someone to dislike (again not what I would've said). Glyph gryph, you gave him a chance to say more. Let's do that. He's in mediocre zone, on my probability list.
You, Glyph gryph stayed on me till day one. Not too suspicious. But everything that's not suspicious IS suspicious. Nirur was best scumhunter here. Now that he's gone, The end will be determined totally at random. Even if you're town and you'll predict the right guy. It'll still be random.
Rooster you just don't know what you're doing don't you? I'm sorry everyone that I played at your cost. Very uncool of me, but I won't do it anymore. I feel a lot stronger when I'm the scum, since I only have to pretend.
Scuminess chart (wohoo)
1Rooster (You gotta try everything in your life mate!)
2Sonerage, Errol
3Glyph Gryph
4LASD
I'll just be ignored after death anyway so...
Now don't sit idle. Don't change the votes if you don't want, but use the leftover time, that was bought, and let's do something more usefull and check out the rest of the crew mkay? (Annnd there is nobody, and no suspicious action which I could explode at anyway right now)
OMG a prediction:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Errol on December 22, 2009, 09:05:20 am
Mafia is quite simple in this regard. If the town gets soaked in WIFOM, the WIFOM gets dissolved by lynching the person responsible for it. The best thing you could do right now would be pushing Sonearage. We need a profile of him.
Objection at day shortening.
Post by: LASD on December 22, 2009, 09:32:22 am
I would have replied if there actually was something interesting to reply to.Eeeeh?:
But I have to warn you that lynching me - unless I am scum - will lose you the game.Why you would you say that's even a possibility? With that part, the sentence doesn't really mean anything. And as even you think it might be possible that you're scum, I'm pretty happy having my vote on you.
Again, I don't think the one being lynched is scum, we're on our way to lylo. So I started thinking who's driving these innocent lynches, interestingly the driving force behind Nirur's lynch was instantly killed in the night.
Glyph has spent the whole game trying to kill Rooster, a rather easy target I must say, and hopped on Nirur just as a lynch seemed possible. I must say you've done exceptional work at gathering evidence against Rooster, but I'm almost sure he's innocent and it might be possible that you know she is.
Glyph being scum would be the worst case scenario, but it's something that has to be considered.
Thank you though for reminding me of Magma's last words, even if they are a whole barrel of WIFOM. Still, spotlighting your scumbuddy just before dying is so incredibly desperate I think it was just a feeble attempt at causing a mislynch. Though practically confirming a townie is also quite foolish, so Errol, you remain suspicious.
All this brings me to unvote and a return to Org/Sonerage. Share your thoughts and suspicions and do a vote based on your own opinions instead of riding on Org's old vote. You've just read the whole thread, so you should have a good picture.
Post by: Sonearage on December 22, 2009, 09:59:28 am
and vote LASD.
My reasons.
1. I know for a fact that Mafias try to accuse other players, they choose a strong player, and then either night kill them or they lynch them,
finding tiny faults. Though they do it in a way, that they might not know that they are scum themselves. Your'e doing just that.
2. What is it with Errol? You are just picking on him, finding timy faults.
THOSE are my reasonsBut I have to warn you that lynching me - unless I am scum - will lose you the game.Why you would you say that's even a possibility? With that part, the sentence doesn't really mean anything. And as even you think it might be possible that you're scum, I'm pretty happy having my vote on you.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 22, 2009, 10:00:13 am
I'm an impatient person, but I'm not stupid. With a new player in, we need this time.
Post by: Rooster on December 22, 2009, 11:28:07 am
You're supposed to smash my head against a wall now?
Don't tell me you did that tl;dr now?
Sonerage: I'm trying to process what you said but I'm having extremely hard time.
1 Not always. At day it's all about surving, especially for the beginner scum. I didn't really push myself forward at LCS mafia where I was indeed scum.
2Isn't it all about picking on someone? You shouldn't accuse someone because they try to scumhunt. Say it. Eighter he's pretending, or he's asking questions. You can't have middle ground.
Your words don't bear much power, so try again.
Post by: Sonearage on December 22, 2009, 11:29:23 am
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 23, 2009, 12:14:48 am
Post by: Errol on December 23, 2009, 08:53:39 am
Of course I am town. I pointed out the damn obvious, LASD. You might think I am scum and lynch me, which is your damn good right. You just need to find good reasons. So far, I don't see a good reason that you are scum - save for the slight tunnelvision!
Sonearage, why are you defending me? Offensive defense, in fact? Remember, the first one who tried that got lynched, and I see no reason that this behavior might be less suspicious now.
Post by: dakarian on December 23, 2009, 02:31:15 pm
Rooster[3]: Errol, GlyphGryph, Rooster
Sonearage[1]: LASD
LASD[1]: Sonearage
Not Voting:
(cause of delay: no access to my notes. Meh.)
Rooster was debating with several people when suddenly, she felt ropes tighten around her as she sat. Looking down, she saw Flows of air holding her down to the chair. A quick check on the Source showed that she was Shielded-a small part of her felt relief that it was just a Shield. With a glare, she turned her head, the only part that could move, to look for the one holding the Power. Although everyone she saw was not, they were all staring behind her. A quick count told her that she couldn't see Errol.
From behind her came Errol's voice, "This is better. If you Shield quickly, you leave little time for anyone to sneak an attack." How can she talk so calmly about the Black Ajah, or about what happened yesterday?
Rooster spluttered at the idea, "So.. so you don't think I'm Blac..bla"
"Black Ajah? Of course you are and you wouldn't Still yourself. But why give you the chance to do anything hasty?"
It was clear that Errol thought that made sense. To Rooster, trying to wrap her head around it just made her head ache. A glance at the others showed that many others felt the same.
Jacquin was the first to recover, "Well, we can put her up for trial as well. For now she can sit behind bars.
Rooster stared at the others as they led her from the room-Errol reworking the flows so that she could not move her hands but could at least leave the chair. She worked up enough voice to say, "But I'm Yellow! Just a Yellow! I swear!"
Jacquin shook her head slightly, "We'll find out in due time."
Rooster, Townie, has been Lynched.
It is now night. Night roles, send me your choices.
Post by: dakarian on December 24, 2009, 12:11:11 pm
Every guard dead where they stood. Futhermore, Rooster, LASD, and Magmadeath were found strangled to death. All of it was done with the Power.
The last news was the most terrifying: one of the Angreal was missing. Angreal were tools-their making lost thousands of years ago. With one, an Aes Sedai can use much more of the Power than she could by herself. The White Tower kept a stock of them and took great care to protect them. That one could be stolen could be no less than unthinkable.
The remaining women found themselves back in the meeting room again. A Black Ajah, now more powerful than any other woman in here, just looking for the right time to finish them all off.
That she hasn't done it already means they have a chance, perhaps one more, to find her and stop her. The lives of everyone in the room, perhaps even the entire Tower, hangs in the balance.
LASD, Townie, has been killed in the night.
Survivors:
Errol
GlyphGryph
Sonearage
It is now the Last Day. This day, special rules will apply.
1. The day CANNOT end today or tomorrow, due to the holiday.
2. After Friday, there will be no Set Deadline. Instead, a 'soft hammer' will be used.
After the start of Saterday, once 2 votes fall on the same person, a 1 hour Deadline will result, starting from the post containing the second vote. If one of the votes is removed during that time the deadline will be removed. Otherwise, if both votes stay in effect for that hour, the person is lynched, the day and game is over. Note that this will happen regardless of me being here. If the 2nd vote falls at 5:03pm then the game is OVER at 6:03pm and any posts made after this time will not be valid.
Note that this will not be in effect until Saturday. Until then, you may vote as you wish. Note that No Lynch is no longer allowed as a voting option.
Good luck, and happy holidays.
Post by: Errol on December 24, 2009, 02:12:02 pm
And at the moment, I simply think Sonearage, under these circumstances, has higher chances of being a scumbucket. Call it paranoia. But I can see Sonearage pushing the blame on Glyph.
NOTE: Don't vote. The second you vote wrongly, the mafia WILL hammer the point home.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 24, 2009, 02:35:32 pm
Voting would be bad until we have some sort of consensus.
And actually the night kill was a bit of a surprise - I was more suspicious of LASD than you, and figured there was no way I was going to live through the night once Rooster flipped town.
Sonearage, LASD was voting for you and attacking you pretty heavily... is that why you killed him?
And Errol... Now that LASD is confirmed, I'm starting to give his arguments a lot more weight. I was wrong about Rooster, but maybe he saw something I missed that convinced him you were scum. Time to review some old posts...
Post by: Errol on December 26, 2009, 05:16:54 am
Anyway, Nirur, I don't quite see why you decided to bandwagon on Sonearage. Especially since he doesn't show up, apparently.
Post by: Errol on December 26, 2009, 11:23:10 am
It is very *bleep* that I am going on a vacation the next three days, but I can't change it.
Post by: dakarian on December 26, 2009, 11:25:29 am
The past two days were Christmas and Christmas eve. ALL of the games, not just this one, has turned still because most of us are celebrating the holiday. That's WHY I said I wasn't even going to LOOK at anyone's vote then nor anyone's attendance.
The weekends aren't much better, again, because many will still be with families, or going shopping, or other RL matters.
As far as your vacation goes, 3 days.. does that mean you'll be back on tuesday? If so, you have no reason to be replaced.. the game is on semi-hibernation until just about then anyway.
Post by: Errol on December 26, 2009, 12:28:23 pm
Post by: dakarian on December 26, 2009, 09:18:45 pm
The attendance requirement will be pushed back until the start of Wednesday, though discussion can continue. If Errol returns earlier, then there you go.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 26, 2009, 11:13:32 pm
Even if the game will still be running at that point, Sonearage, you have a whole lot of explaining to do. Answer my questions, you scumbucket, and answer them well. - You aren't Org, you're not not gonna get away with lurking.
Speaking of which, Org was actually acting not himself for much of this game... You know, aside from attacking you because I need to (At Lylo with no information about you after a replacement), there's actually a good chance you might be scum based on Orgs actions, so lets see how you respond.
Errol, you're not in the clear - prepare to be questioned as soon as you return.
Post by: Errol on December 27, 2009, 02:59:37 pm
Feel free to throw questions at me for all it's worth. Just don't expect answers until I'm back home again.
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 28, 2009, 06:41:55 pm
Sonearage, why were you so intent on defending Errol yesterday?
Errol, I've reviewed the thread, and you did a lot of scummy stuff, spewed a lot of wifom and said a lot of weird things - thats a fact. So I'd like to see you explain some of them...
First, the "We can spare townies, We shouldn't go all out until LYLO" comment you made, that I accidently attributed to LASD. It was suspicious at the time, and yet we got to LYLO and I am not seeing a whole lot in the direction of going "all out" (understandable for the moment, maybe, but still).
Why did you try to convince Nirur to vote himself (why he did it is another question entirely)?
You include a lot of subtle and not so subtle insistances that you are town - you sound guilty, honestly. Comments like:
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And if this turns out to be a huge slugfest between two townies, the survivors will have so much intel they'll not even have enough time to process it.essentially boil down to "oh, btw, when he flips town I'm totally town too, but at least you'll all have gotten some info." You never even explained what sort of intel we were supposed to get from his death, or how we should have acted on it - so where is all this useful information you promised, assuming you actually ARE town?
I'll have more for you after you get a chance to respond.
Post by: Sonearage on December 29, 2009, 02:49:08 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 30, 2009, 02:18:55 am
Org has been replaced with Org, wonderful. :twitch:
Post by: Sonearage on December 30, 2009, 09:15:33 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Org on December 30, 2009, 01:24:10 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 30, 2009, 01:35:21 pm
Post by: Errol on December 30, 2009, 01:58:25 pm
Post by: Errol on December 30, 2009, 02:49:08 pm
Post by: dakarian on December 30, 2009, 10:09:37 pm
Post by: Org on December 30, 2009, 11:22:11 pm
Post by: Errol on January 01, 2010, 04:13:34 am
This doesn't take speed at all.
Answer your questions, Sonearage. Damnit!
Post by: Sonearage on January 01, 2010, 05:08:53 am
Post by: Errol on January 01, 2010, 06:02:32 am
Post by: GlyphGryph on January 01, 2010, 09:04:31 am
Post by: Errol on January 01, 2010, 09:37:18 am
Anyway, releasing one interesting tidbit. At day 1, Org stated the following in regards to his dream scumbuddy:
My mafia team? Not Zai. Id even take Magma over Zai.
Does this hold any significance, Sonearage? Do you know why Org didn't want Magma as a scumbuddy?
Post by: GlyphGryph on January 02, 2010, 06:07:39 pm
Post by: Errol on January 03, 2010, 01:35:16 pm
First, the "We can spare townies, We shouldn't go all out until LYLO" comment you made, that I accidently attributed to LASD. It was suspicious at the time, and yet we got to LYLO and I am not seeing a whole lot in the direction of going "all out" (understandable for the moment, maybe, but still).
I'm burned out, we're burned out, and Sonearage stalls us out. Which just makes him more suspicious.
Why did you try to convince Nirur to vote himself (why he did it is another question entirely)?
Because I was convinced he was scum, or at the very least detrimental to town by a number of very weird actions (Day End vs. Extend and stuff)
I'm waiting for you point out I'm not a tad better now. But, when hunting scum, you need to be 100% convinced of your Just Cause.
You include a lot of subtle and not so subtle insistances that you are town - you sound guilty, honestly. Comments like:[/quote]QuoteAnd if this turns out to be a huge slugfest between two townies, the survivors will have so much intel they'll not even have enough time to process it.essentially boil down to "oh, btw, when he flips town I'm totally town too, but at least you'll all have gotten some info." You never even explained what sort of intel we were supposed to get from his death, or how we should have acted on it - so where is all this useful information you promised, assuming you actually ARE town?
In the works, damnit. I've got limited time (alas) and Day 3 got the better of me. I CAN post what I've gathered so far if you insist. Incoming...
Post by: Errol on January 03, 2010, 01:35:59 pm
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Before I do the rest of the tract, a conclusion of what happened in the day, generally and specifically focused on the three survivors. You shouldn't have to do this right after arriving back at home sweet home...
Day1: Randomvoting ensues, not bandwagoning on Errol brought MagmaDeath an early end. MagmaDeath expresses his desire to have Errol die, as last words.
Errol: Randomvotes MagmaDeath, who already has a vote on him, leading to suspicion. Manages to divert attention to MagmaDeath by posting a lengthy rant/explanation.
Glyph: Behaves newb-ish (no sin), randomvotes Org, shifts to Errol because of scummy tripping-around (OR NOT? quote incoming)
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I'll be honest - I don't think your scum. You are coming off to me the same way Diakron and Jim did last game, and neither of them turned out to be scum. but at the moment, are are still far and away the scummiest seeming person here, so I'd like to see you explain yourself. Until then, you've got my vote.
Shifts away after explanation. Keeps tabs on pretty much everyone.
Org/Sonearage: [ORG_IS_ALWAYS_ORG], doesn't answer questions timely, but has an interesting quote:
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My mafia team? Not Zai. Id even take Magma over Zai.
Monitoring Nirur's behavior, he provides scumhunting advice and decides to ToonyTunnel Magma. Keeps tabs on me (and Org)
Day2: This is essentially an Errol/Nirur slugfest, with Nirur doing strange stuff and Errol getting enraged and tunneling Nirur's ass because he's too enigmatic. Rooster dicks around alot.
Errol:
Glyph: Continues Rooster-focus. Tries to get him to flip by lynching. Favorable reference by Cobalt:
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GlyphGryph. *rereads* Is...Looks to be the best scumhunter this game, which has me leaning town. OTOC, her vote is freakishly jumpy d1.
Org: Attacks Rooster for copying his style.
Nirur: Gets targeted by Cobalt verry early, and that whole thing with tunneling a scum is very two-edged.
Day3: Nobody knows anything, the day gets far too long and people decide to lynch Rooster for being inane.
Errol:
Glyph:
Org:
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Basically, people suspect anyone involved in the lynching of MagmaDeath for bussing or something similar, and, as far as I am aware (unless I overlooked something because I'm sorta tired or something, no intentional cutting of stuff), I'm the only one left. Making a full list of my scumtells would really take too much time, but, as I already pointed out, to me, I'm the only confirmed townie.
Quote from: GlyphGryph on December 24, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
About the vote thing, I was about to bring up the same exact point.
Voting would be bad until we have some sort of consensus.
And actually the night kill was a bit of a surprise - I was more suspicious of LASD than you, and figured there was no way I was going to live through the night once Rooster flipped town.
Sonearage, LASD was voting for you and attacking you pretty heavily... is that why you killed him?
And Errol... Now that LASD is confirmed, I'm starting to give his arguments a lot more weight. I was wrong about Rooster, but maybe he saw something I missed that convinced him you were scum. Time to review some old posts...
Besides, this post is just 100% scummy. Agreeing with something obvious, bandwagon-FoSing people, framing someone for a nightkill (which could be a setup oh-so-easily), and relying on the arguments of somebody who essentially was confirmed town even before he flipped. And yes, as scum, I'd obviously kill off the least suspicious and reasonably helpful guy. It's the first thing you consider.
There was a death threat on me, which is a prime reason to NOT get me killed. It either was an OMGUS from a bussed scum (painfully obvious trap) or a heartfelt spite for one of the head lynchers (possibly because I 'betrayed' him? Pursuing for his mildness?)
Post by: GlyphGryph on January 04, 2010, 12:17:40 am
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Besides, this post is just 100% scummy. Agreeing with something obvious, bandwagon-FoSing people, framing someone for a nightkill (which could be a setup oh-so-easily), and relying on the arguments of somebody who essentially was confirmed town even before he flipped. And yes, as scum, I'd obviously kill off the least suspicious and reasonably helpful guy. It's the first thing you consider.
This is... well, its a weird little assortment of accusations. First, an accusation of bandwagoning on a day with only two other players, one of which refuses to post much, if anything? Relying on other people's arguments? I just said I was planning to review them. Which I did, and honestly I found them lacking for the most part. The "framing", as you put it, was to provoke a response - which is, as far as I understand, the primary purpose of scumhunting. I was looking for a denial, and planning to make a reading based on the content of the denial. It didn't work, obviously, since sonearage seems intent on ignoring us and letting us pile on the accusations against each other.
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There was a death threat on me, which is a prime reason to NOT get me killed. It either was an OMGUS from a bussed scum (painfully obvious trap) or a heartfelt spite for one of the head lynchers (possibly because I 'betrayed' him? Pursuing for his mildness?)As far as I'm concerned at this point, it was pure WIFOM. So even though I brought it up to try and get a response, I've never really considered it as evidence for or against you being scum.
Anyways, while I'm waiting for the rest, SONEARAGE START POSTING. There is NO excuse to lurk at LYLO. Are you just planning on letting us build up evidence against each other until one of cracks? Hoping you don't have to do any work, or just hoping you won't be noticed? Start posting, start scumhunting, and start answering questions!
Post by: Sonearage on January 04, 2010, 06:49:35 am
Does this hold any significance, Sonearage? Do you know why Org didn't want Magma as a scumbuddy?Nope, no idea why. he said that. Maybe he just doesn't like Zai?
What do you guys have against Org?
Post by: dakarian on January 04, 2010, 09:46:33 am
From here on, I'm expecting full activity from the three of you.
Post by: Sonearage on January 04, 2010, 11:24:26 am
Post by: GlyphGryph on January 04, 2010, 02:33:19 pm
Basically, he's scumhunting. You aren't, because you are scum.
I fully expect you to retaliate vote me out of self-preservation, and give Errol the deciding vote. Maybe you'll even start trying to "hunt" now that I've given you a clear target, and start throwing things at me hoping something sticks (more likely, you'll just vote and continue to play like Org). So be it. I'm convinced, and my decision is made. You are scum.
Post by: Errol on January 04, 2010, 03:14:23 pm
But I'd like to have a final statement before casting my vote. I need to be absolutely sure.
Sonearage, explain why you aren't scum, but Glyph is.
Post by: Errol on January 05, 2010, 02:22:58 pm
Vote Sonearage.
...and it'
Post by: dakarian on January 05, 2010, 10:08:20 pm
Errol turned to GlyphGryph, then nods to herself. "I believe I know the answer to this puzzle." She then suddenly turns to Sonearage. The glow of the One Power forms just before she weaves a shield and placing it on Sonearage.
"Now, to complete this, one of you three shield GlyphGryph." Shock widens the other woman's eyes as a second shield falls on her. Errol turns around calmly to see Pandarsenic glowing with the power. "We should've done this earlier. Simply shield everyone at once and put them all to the question. We know the Black Ajah is among us so we might as well.."
Her explanation fell to silence as she feels her arms and legs tighten up against her body. She notices Jacquin glowing with the Power and a weave of Spirit, sharp as a knife is formed ready to use.
"Then we'll have no more deaths or mistakes, "Jacquin said, "If you do anything except maintain that shield, Errol, it'll be the last thing you do."
During this time, Vector, standing next to Jacquin and Pandarsenic and appearing not to notice what is going on, suddenly glowed. An unknown weave formed and fell on Pandarsenic. A single spasm fell on her body before she fell to the ground. Errol quickly turns to remove the shield from Sonearage in order to place it back on GlyphGryph. Meanwhile, Vector finished the same weave and attacked Jacquin with it.
The weave was sliced in mid travel.
Jacquin, still without a glow, turned to smile at Vector. Suddenly a shield fell, and Vector's glow winked out.
"Why does everything here become just so complicated." Jacquin said. The glow still did not show but Errol is sure that the shield came from her.
"Jacquin, everything almost makes sense now." Errol said, her voice still calm and cool, "Vector is Black and killed Pandarsenic to save GlyphGryph. Since he never attacked me, Sonearage must not be with them. All I need to know is why I can't see your glow."
Jacquin replied in a mock imitation of Errol's cool tone, "Because, my dear White, some of us know much more than any of you silly little girls, like hiding the fact that we are holding the Power, or even the fact that we are using it, right now."
Errol had only a moment to realize what this meant before a sharp pain fell in her heart. With a spasm, she fell to the floor.
As Sonearage followed Errol, Jacquin turned to the others. "And now, I leave it to you two to clean this mess up. I'll make sure none of it is attached to you." With a smile, Jacquin left the room, leaving the two behind in wide eyed shock.
Sonearage, Townie, has been lynched.
The game is over. Mafia members, MagmaDeath and GlyphGryph have won.
Post by: GlyphGryph on January 05, 2010, 10:15:51 pm
Wheeeeeeee!
That was such a fun game! ^_^
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 05, 2010, 10:16:22 pm
Post by: dakarian on January 05, 2010, 11:14:13 pm
CobaltKobold - White Ajah
MagmaDeath – Blue Ajah/Black Ajah - Mafioso
SirBayer - Red Ajah - Cop
Org/Sonearage - Blue Ajah
Errol - White Ajah
Nirur Torir - Grey Ajah
GlyphGryph - Yellow Ajah/Black Ajah - Roleblocker
Rooster - Yellow Ajah
LASD - Red Ajah
Pandarsenic - Green Ajah - Town IC
Vector – Brown Ajah/Black Ajah - Mafia IC
Jacquin – Grey Ajah - Forsaken Mesaana (non WOTers: One of the main bad guys ;D )
Litia (who was killed to start this whole thing off) – Green Ajah
Mafia Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/Maz8Kc2rneFj)
Dead Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/bfXpxZjsNHRez)
Btw, why did Errol show up in EVERY SINGLE write up? Because he voted for the scum each time and it was both interesting and easy to have him be the one spearheading all the lynchings. It was doubly easy since I had a good handle on how a White would go about it.
Post by: GlyphGryph on January 05, 2010, 11:24:10 pm
It has been mangled!
I find it hilarious that you manage to do that so often. Though in this case it was probably a copypaste from a previous mistake :P
Post by: dakarian on January 05, 2010, 11:57:41 pm
(yah, it was a copymistake)
Post by: Vector on January 05, 2010, 11:58:15 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 06, 2010, 12:03:36 am
I keep showing up as "danger" in mafiachats. >_> <_< ;D
Post by: Rooster on January 06, 2010, 01:22:21 am
The biggest joy of this game is the betting who mafia is!
And my heart is filled with joy right now :D
EDIT: Glyph you slipped just before lynching me. If Errol figured this out as well, town might have won
Post by: Vector on January 06, 2010, 01:29:26 am
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 06, 2010, 01:40:49 am
Would have been interesting if it'd been Glyph, LASD, and I, probably.
One A2E I shouldn't have let slip, the "You, sir, are a cad"...but Rooster set it up so nicely.
Post by: LASD on January 06, 2010, 06:46:11 am
After reading the scumchat, I'm doubly sorry, SirBayer and the town. We would've had use for a cop.
Lastly, I need to avoid Org in the rest of Mafia games. I couldn't think straight with her around. Though in the end lynching her would've been good. Sadly she saved herself in the last moments by getting replaced with apparently her twin. I really don't know how to react to replacements, especially that late in the game.
Well played, Glyph, but you can be sure that you won't escape suspicion so fully ever again.
Post by: Sonearage on January 06, 2010, 07:15:36 am
I told you that GluphGryph was Scum :P
Post by: GlyphGryph on January 06, 2010, 09:56:32 am
Actually for anyone who had suspicions of me, why?
And CK, why were you so convinced I was town? :P
Post by: Rooster on January 06, 2010, 10:12:58 am
And I knew from the time I set my hidden word traps for you in that long post you made me write.
Not that I cared about living. Because like I said, I wanted to explore the alternative.
And I really don't know how Org does the thing he does. It's incredibly hard.
Post by: dakarian on January 06, 2010, 10:36:50 am
Org is..well.... UG. He's achieved the ability to be Unreadable. If you've noticed, he doesn't really LURK but he's not heavily active. He tends to go random, and he seems rather unfocused on just what he wants to do.
The result is that he probably triggered a good many scumtells for you guys BUT when you tried to put them together to form a picture of Scum-Org it didn't work out quite right... sort of like a "He's too scummy for town, but isn't acting like a mafia" sort of picture.
That, combined with the fact that he does this MORE often as town makes Org Unreadable. You can't push him for information like other players. You can't ignore him without shutting off that alarm in your head going "OMG SCUMTELLS!" You KNOW he's not pro-town, but, for probably quite a few of you, lynching him would be more of trying to scratch an itch than trying to catch a killer.
I'll be blunt, I wish that NONE of you follow that path on a regular basis.
The reason why I say that is simple: it kills towns dead. Although you can't truly mark a person as confirmed TOWN, you CAN get a handle on who you think is probably town and who seems suspicious. With that, you can put the 'townish' folks on the back burner (with an eye on them just in case, of course) and focus on the suspicious ones. Even if the 'townish' ones turn out scum, they'll slip sometime and, thus, you can go after them.
Unreadables, though, end up causing the town to focus on them, trying to put a town or scum label, but never being able to do so. Some people will want them removed just to get them out of the way. Others will want to push to try, TRY, *TRY* to figure them out. In the end, the town is stuck and has to just leave him alone. It wears a town down and, worse, in order to actually stop going after an Unreadable, you have to stop being so paranoid. A town that isn't paranoid is a dead town.
Meanwhile, in order to be truly unreadable, you CAN'T actually help the town. It's in trying to BE like the town that your truth is shown. Yes, you can do one or two attacks, but you can't really focus heavy on actually being aggressive, questioning, paranoid, and wiling to die and kill for your cause, because you'll eventually become readable. Even 'hard to read' players, like Webadict, can be read in due time.
So you sit there, drawing the town's eye away from the scum, not helping the town focus on the scum, and frustrating and wearing down everyone.
Yes, you'll probably live (at least, once Bay 12 stops quicklynching you), but you won't see many town wins. I take note that Org prides himself well on his victories as scum, but I've seen a few towns die horribly trying to deal with him when he's town (though to my joy in one game, since I WAS scum :P).
So no, try not to be Unreadable. Instead, try to become Pro-town. Then, when you're scum, try to mimic that Pro-Townness. A player that can always look Town isn't unreadable (some will claim it, but honestly, that's because "You always look town) but is very dangerous. What's more, you can't policy lynch them: if they are town, they are a vital asset for you. I point to Pandarsenic as an example: we always worry about him being scum, but he's very useful as town-thus we try to figure him out and hope, HOPE we are right, since if we are wrong, nothing will save us.
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 06, 2010, 12:31:33 pm
To answer the questions on why I voted myself: Purely because I said I would. I was certain that if I didn't, somebody would point to me saying I would as a massive scum-tell. I will never make the mistake of voting myself again. Unless I do. Which I won't. Perhaps.
Post by: dakarian on January 06, 2010, 01:05:32 pm
Once you did say it then, yes, you were trapped.
Truth is, anyone can be made to look scummy if you're willing to stretch things out a bit. Thus the statement saying that you'll vote for yourself if good accusations were brought was doomed, since scum can easily find SOMETHING to pin on you.
Before the "well if everyone looks scummy how can you find scum" question: while you CAN find something scummy about anyone, if you are a townie properly scumhunting then anyone trying to make you look like scum will find themselves reaching very VERY hard to the point of tunnelvisioning. A person, for example, flip flopping their vote (a scumtell) doesn't look scummy when you can see the reason for each attack and pull back.
Post by: Errol on January 06, 2010, 03:26:10 pm
I guess in the end I just wanted it to be over. Sonearage lurking didn't help...
Post by: Org on January 06, 2010, 04:30:50 pm
It's pretty funny and sad that I was thought suspicious of accusing Glyph (or was that just Glyph herself?). Did anyone even vote for her after Day 1?Org=/=girl.
After reading the scumchat, I'm doubly sorry, SirBayer and the town. We would've had use for a cop.
Lastly, I need to avoid Org in the rest of Mafia games. I couldn't think straight with her around. Though in the end lynching her would've been good. Sadly she saved herself in the last moments by getting replaced with apparently her twin. I really don't know how to react to replacements, especially that late in the game.
Well played, Glyph, but you can be sure that you won't escape suspicion so fully ever again.
You keep saying her. HE. He is a guy. I am a guy. Male.
Duh
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2010, 04:34:52 pm
Post by: Org on January 06, 2010, 04:36:28 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on January 06, 2010, 04:43:32 pm
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 06, 2010, 06:16:13 pm
And CK, why were you so convinced I was town? :PYou seemed to be backing up your reasoning in all cases. Should've pursued the voteflipping more.
Oh yes.. about Org.It is rather difficult that Org appears more townie-like when he's not. IT gives you bad feeling in the gut when you're trying to lynch him for being pro-town.
[snip]
That, combined with the fact that he does this MORE often as town makes Org Unreadable.
Nirur: Yeah, try not to do that as town.
Post by: Org on January 06, 2010, 06:44:55 pm