Your Q&A makes no bloody sense by the way.
I think I may have a guess at what one of the rules is.
Rysith, what are the hidden rules?
I think I may have a guess at what one of the rules is.
Rysith, what are the hidden rules?
Lol, doesn't asking that go against Rule 1?
Haha, can't hurt to try. So do we "unlock" the rules as they come up or do we figure these things out on our own?
Good morning, Apostolic Nihilist. Of the players here, which three would you most prefer as scumpartners?Morning? It's afternoon!
Vote GlyphGlaff for unvoting alot.ToonyMan for mangling GlyphGlyph's name so badly. On a serious note, who do you think has the upper hand in this game? Town? Scum? Or perhaps even unaligned?
Have my role and I am ready to go! I will reserve my vote until later on in the day when I have seen some discussion - I was never a fan of random voting.
Have my role and I am ready to go! I will reserve my vote until later on in the day when I have seen some discussion - I was never a fan of random voting.
Then how the crap does the discussion get rolling? Hmm? Just sit around and wait for people to yell "i scum lol u got me!!!1!"? No. That's a terrible idea, Alsark.
To Leaf: Both regular and BasMod.
I have already described my thoughts on the matter.
I don't appreciate the fact that you quote me using improper grammar, implying stupidity, when I clearly do not type that way.
Halmie, what do you think the best way to discover the hidden rules is?Well I think this game should be treated like a normal mafia till something happens, otherwise we are talking infinite possibilies of bastardry.
I know (Okay, think I know. If the PMs can be trusted.) that my death will toggle the status of one of the rules. I know which rule, but I haven't a clue about what the rule does/will do.
I don't appreciate the fact that you quote me using improper grammar, implying stupidity, when I clearly do not type that way.
I type like an 7 year old kid who doesn't know how to behave on the internet for everybody's "quotes," whether positive or negative. You'll want to get used to that, because I'm not changing how I play for anyone but me, though I will attempt to lessen my cursing like I do in games with "younger" players since you are apparently against that.
While I agree with you that trivial questions can be quite trivial, that's not the only way to play the Random Voting Stage. I and a number of others attempt to break people. It gets good game-relevant discussion going early on, which you can pick apart to look for inconsistencies and such things. Every now and then the person actually does break. New people are especially good for this practice.
Also, not really relevant now until we get some, but I'm guessing your "logical sense" dies at the sight of WIFOM. Just a prediction right now.
I can tell thou art scum, Foulsark! Why dost thou protest so loud to the rope around thy neck? Only witches have reason to fear death (for all magic dies along with them). Thou must be a witch!
I'm 21, by the way. It's just a personal choice.
I'm 21, by the way. It's just a personal choice.
You can choose your age? Mind = blown
Alsark[1,1]
I think that means two real votes, the 2's are confusing. Both have to do with Vector though. (My vote on Vector and Vector's vote on AN.)
Alsark, my favourite hypothetical scum buddies:
1. Vector, he's just good.
2. Zai, I'm most familiar with him, not Mafia-wise though.
3. GlyphGryph, for the amazing play on Beginner's Mafia 6.
The votes baffle me. I wonder if there's some general rules with them or if every individual has their own weirdness. Like GlyphGryph's last two votes counting instead of one.
I guess I should test out my vote to see if there is anything weird regarding it. I'll try voting for somebody who doesn't have a vote on them just to see if anything funny happens. For now, that vote will be LASD.
I think that means two real votes, the 2's are confusing. Both have to do with Vector though. (My vote on Vector and Vector's vote on AN.)Unvote. Interesting rolefishing, Halmie. Why is it relevant to you? And just in case it is the last person you voted, unvote, vote Halmie.
Did you get anything in the pm hinting at something like this vector?
It might! It just might. Maybe? Or not. Well, it's worth a try.
Guys - why is this more important than seeing if we can find scum?You bring up an excellent point, unless you are scum that already knows the rules.
You bring up an excellent point, unless you are scum that already knows the rules.If I were scum that already knew the rules, I'd try to distract everyone by sending them on a wild goose chase to find them.
And the vote deltas are:
Vector -1
Apostolic Nihilist -1
Toonyman 0
Redwarrior0 +2
LASD -1
Leafsnail [0, +1]
Nirur Torir +1
Alsark [-1, 0]
Glyphgryph 0
Halmie 0
Guys - why is this more important than seeing if we can find scum?
You know what deltas are, right? It has to do with differences.
Suddenly, there is a frantic scribbling noise, and when you look back at the lead tablet, the text has changed!
And how exactly did you expect to do anything once you found scum?Vote them. Y'know, like in every mafia game.
QuoteAnd how exactly did you expect to do anything once you found scum?Vote them. Y'know, like in every mafia game.
Unvote. Shades, it may just be a bastardized votecount. Why are you so determined to kill any efforts to find scum?QuoteAnd how exactly did you expect to do anything once you found scum?Vote them. Y'know, like in every mafia game.
Vote them? when we already know the people we vote for aren't getting votes against them?
Yes so you pretty much guaranty you won't actually lynch the scum that way... good call there... you sure your town?
Right now scum could claim and there is _nothing_ we can do about it.
I guess I should test out my vote to see if there is anything weird regarding it. I'll try voting for somebody who doesn't have a vote on them just to see if anything funny happens. For now, that vote will be LASD.
LASD has a vote on them, and was just voted for by Pandarsenic for that very reason. So well done for not actually reading what people have posted before you over-react to a day one randomness and also making it yet harder to work out what is going on.
Also well done for making me think your scum, I would vote for you but I'm not changing that till Iknowhave the slightest idea what is going on.
I think figuring out what is going on is important, but not as important as finding scum. We can do both at the same time, you know.
I'll keep my vote on Shades, he's the shadiest character currently. You didn't even humor me by coming up with a hypothetical rule I wanted to hear.
Shades, would you kindly come up with a hypotethical rule for me?
Unvote. Shades, it may just be a bastardized votecount. Why are you so determined to kill any efforts to find scum?
I'll keep my vote on Shades, he's the shadiest character currently. You didn't even humor me by coming up with a hypothetical rule I wanted to hear.
However, Vector, where'd you go? Not lurking are you?
Aaaand A votecount wouldn't hurt.
I suppose I'll go ahead and ask the only question that seems of any relevance to me, and why not go ahead and just have everybody answer it at once? So to everybody: "What three players would you most prefer as scumbuddies and why?" Obviously Apostolic Nihilist needn't answer since he already has.
I think that means two real votes, the 2's are confusing. Both have to do with Vector though. (My vote on Vector and Vector's vote on AN.)
Did you get anything in the pm hinting at something like this vector?
(plus the rounds I play in are around 30+ people so there is an abundance of conversation and me sitting back for awhile is never an issue)Do not want. I didn't have the patience to sit and sift through uPP (then BYORP) on Day 1 alone, and there were "only" 18 or 19 people in that. I am so glad I was a Jester in that. ♥
How many scum are there?...Is no one else concerned about this?
Such a question, from one such as that. As if we chose the scum. They chose themselves. Such is the way.
Unless... maybe Alsark has two votes because one of mine didn't count? So its on him, but not doing anything, since I broke some rule enough times?No clue. Nothing in my role PM hints at this vote-related stuff.
Zai, you were the other Alsark vote - is there any other explanation you can think of?
Hmm ... Actually, Zai, how did you interpret my statement as me saying that my death would reveal a rule?That upon your death, one of the invisible (but active) rules in this post (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=46384.msg965651#msg965651) would be revealed.
2. Zai - played a sharp game in B12 Mafialulwut. I failed all over that, with a few good things thrown in (that may have saved my team's chances of winning if it came to me being only scum left, according to some town post-game). Best things I think I did were my ridiculous reviewing of the game that I think made me look more like my stupid town self as seen in the then-recent Vote Mafias, and trying to stop a town fight early on.
On the other hand if every one votes for me it would be interesting to see how the vote count tallys. I'm fairly confident it wouldn't result in a lynch of me at any rate.This isn't a terrible idea, actually. If we want to figure out the system behind this, it's probably best that we all target one person instead of just tossing our votes around randomly.
Extension!In which case I move Leafsnail one space upwards and use a strength sphere for a +2 bonus.
Unvote Shades.
Cartesian coordinates certainly wouldn't be out of place, but I do wonder how they'd work here. Unless we're all on a grid of some sort? ...
unvoteThere's an extension anyway - we don't beed another now. However, Shades - if finding scum is more important than finding the scum, why are you making no attempt to do so? Why have you even unvoted to not put any pressure on anyone?
Just to make sure everyone notices that the rules 4 and 5 which where initially not active are clearly now active following Rysith's last post.
I don't think the rules are going to be as important as working out the voting or scum hunting but it's worth noting they have changed. Possibly those two roles are vote based, or some people have day actions.
Also Extension
There's an extension anyway - we don't beed another now. However, Shades - if finding scum is more important than finding the scum, why are you making no attempt to do so? Why have you even unvoted to not put any pressure on anyone?
I will also add that voting for someone doesn't put any relevant pressure on them when your vote almost certainly doesn't count towards a lynch of them.I'm not so sure if that's the case. Broadly speaking votes seem to count, and while this game is bastard modded, I don't think it will break the fundamental principles of mafia by having unlynchable scum.
Yeah, that was a typo, but if you can't edit... what you gonna do?QuoteI will also add that voting for someone doesn't put any relevant pressure on them when your vote almost certainly doesn't count towards a lynch of them.I'm not so sure if that's the case. Broadly speaking votes seem to count, and while this game is bastard modded, I don't think it will break the fundamental principles of mafia by having unlynchable scum.
And yet we won't find out how it works if we don't at least try lynching scum. I don't see why you're trying to shield the scumgroup so much.
And yet we won't find out how it works if we don't at least try lynching scum. I don't see why you're trying to shield the scumgroup so much.THis COULD be done by mafia. But if everyone just co-operates we can finish it quite quick. So on that note Unvote.
Interesting... I wonder what triggers rule 4, precisely...Maybe asking for votecounts?
Does anyone have rule modification powers? I think it xcould be good to MCAre you serious, MC on day 1? Anyone with a powerrole (which in a bastard mod might be almost everyone) would be likely to falseclaim and anyone else important would be killed by the Mafia. If my vote had any impact, I'd vote for you, RedWarrior0. Fishing for roles is a very dangerous venture.
Unvote
Is that everyone? Almost everyone I think, that makes me think the first numbers are the real votes and the latter the peak point or something.
Sorry for lurking, but I'm bad at seeing patterns. The only thing I see with the rule-flips that makes sense is if a role can change them at will. I assume rule 4 is based on a scum role.No, I haven't. Anyway, the toggle for rule four could be almost anything. Perhaps a scumteam member has a simple on/off switch which they can activate a certain number of times (once per day?), or perhaps someone is triggering it accidentally. Or perhaps it changes every x votecounts.
Leafsnail, you have shown an interest in trying to keep others from identifying the rules. What do you think the toggle is for rule 4?
Votecount please.
At this time, there is a three way tie for most votes, and a three way tie as to who shall die when night reaches us.Basing on this the second number tells who dies, the first one is some completely different vote.
Wonderful, a three way tie... and we can't even be sure who it's between!
Anyways, not voting, because I want to see what happens with Shades' vote.
But in case it didn't stick last time, I'm going to make sure I'm UNVOTEd
At this time, there is a three way tie for most votes, and a three way tie as to who shall die when night reaches us.Basing on this the second number tells who dies, the first one is some completely different vote.
My vote on Shades appears to be counting for something now, even thought it didn't previously. How curious.
Toonyman, care to actually clarify why?
Nope. For the first numbers (assuming singular numbers (x instead of x,y) count as the first), there is a 3-way tie at 1 between Shades, TM, and AN. For the second numbers, there is a 3-way tie at 2 between Leafsnail, Nirur Torir, and TM. We don't know which is the more important, but the second-number-tie is greater than that of the first-number-tie, and TM is in both ties.At this time, there is a three way tie for most votes, and a three way tie as to who shall die when night reaches us.Basing on this the second number tells who dies, the first one is some completely different vote.
Other thing that bothers me was that Rysith explicitly pointed out that FoS's use the blue color, which means they likely have some significance.This is a very valid point.
It didn't previously, only after LASD unvoted me from what I can tell. Whether that is your vote counting or his unvote counting I don't know. I just hope it wasn't the fact I quoted his unvote as that could cause endless problems for town.In which case... Unvote. Let's see what that does.
You aren't being helpful in that quote.You aren't being terribly forthcoming or helpful either. What was scummy about what I said?
You have willed it, and thus it is done. Twenty four more of your hours before judgment is rendered! However, you are now in a four-way tie for who shall be lynched, assuming that the rules stay as they are now, as you can clearly see!Right... It would surely help if we even knew the rules...
Leafsnail, you have done nothing but disrupt the testing. If everyone co-operated we would probably have a general idea of some of the rules and could go onto proper scumhunting.In what way, Halmie? But I have found out something intersting - unvoting Shades seemed to give him an extra vote on one of his axes.
My vote will always work the way it does in normal mafia, I know that much...
Who, at the time of the vote count most recently made before this message, had the most votes / would be lynched if the day ended then?If the second column is votes, I guess that would be me? Also, did anyone else notice a few votes moved from the first to the second column with the rule change?
Rysith, you will be forced to give me a straight answer sooner or later....
That's just a OMGUS vote GlyphGryph.
Oh, you looked back about me? Why don't you do that for anybody else??
Actually, wait a second, halmie.
You said your vote would count like it would in a normal mafia game. So why is it in the second column rather than counting as a vote?
So I was neutral to you.
I don't think there's a neutral side.
lulz at rooster :P
Hey Toony, no 3rd parties, eh? What would you call a survivor? (Though that is still nearly town, but my point about third parties existing is still true)
Vector, Do you have any reasons for why FoSs shouldn't be liberally thrown around to see if they do anything?
Hey Toony, no 3rd parties, eh? What would you call a survivor? (Though that is still nearly town)Lies. Survivors just have to survive. Look at Paranormal Mafia 1. If going with the town benefits them, they shall do so. If not, they can go with the mafia.
Currently Living Players (11/13):I wonder what the significance of the fake roleflip was, if it even was fake. And Zai, I read what was clearly your obituary. You are clearly not here, and we can thusly talk about you as though you are somewhere else.
Vector
Apostolic NihilistPandarsenicKilled Night 1, Ikari Shinji
Zai
Toonyman
Redwarrior0
Shades
LASDLeafsnailLynched Day 1, Lewis Caroll
Nirur Torir
Alsark
GlyphGryph
Halmie
And Zai, I read what was clearly your obituary. You are clearly not here, and we can thusly talk about you as though you are somewhere else.I'm a bit sleep deprived at the moment, but right now, I don't see how that makes sense. At all. How am I "clearly not here" when I have a vote on me (that was not (publicly, anyway) placed by anybody)? It seems to me we should be more concerned about why 4 people have votes on them despite only 2 people voting, and for none of the people with votes on them.
vote count please!Consider it an actual request.
Currently Living Players (11/13):Wait, didn't anyone else notice that this shows Pandarsenic as dead and a survivor? I also think he really is both.
Vector
Apostolic NihilistPandarsenicKilled Night 1, Ikari Shinji
Zai
Toonyman
Redwarrior0
Shades
LASDLeafsnailLynched Day 1, Lewis Caroll
Nirur Torir
Alsark
GlyphGryph
Halmie
Currently Living Players (11/13):I wonder what the significance of the fake roleflip was, if it even was fake. And Zai, I read what was clearly your obituary. You are clearly not here, and we can thusly talk about you as though you are somewhere else.
Vector
Apostolic NihilistPandarsenicKilled Night 1, Ikari Shinji
Zai
Toonyman
Redwarrior0
Shades
LASDLeafsnailLynched Day 1, Lewis Caroll
Nirur Torir
Alsark
GlyphGryph
Halmie
Does anyone else feel a MC?(http://crossroadstrading.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/mc-hammer.jpg)
Does anyone else feel a MC?
Does anyone else feel a MC?Why are you pushing this, got a killer role that has to kill a certain other role? Or just Mafia looking for the most important roles? I already said it's very very scummy to pursue a Mass Claim. You're now easily the scummiest player around.
Does anyone else feel a MC?...Why? What's the point?
Does anyone else feel a MC?Redwarrior, please tell us why you are asking for a MC out of the blue. If I don't like your answer, I'm going to hit Vector with a FoS. Both times I did this today gave you a y point.
Unvote Shades. Vote Alsark.So unvoting Shades removed a vote from TM and added a y-column to AN.
I hear a replacement is needed.You're in first, so it's not me.
So, Neruz, have you been following the game since you signed up? What do you think is more important, Rulefinding or Scumhunting?
Does anyone strike you as scummy?
Extension. Also, new votecount ASAP, please.
I'm still thinking our votes are just time-delayed by one votecount. At the very least, I think mine is. (Waiting to confirm)
Alsark, come in here or hang. I'm preparing a case against you.
I'm guessing there is some sort of trigger phrase or reference, something like requesting a vote count, referring to a vote count, or possibly even something as simple as "Every time a post mentioned Rule X, it's state changes."
With rules 4 and 5 then both inactive and the rest active, votes and fos add to the person one down the list (still x and y respectively).
With rules 4 and 5 both inactive and the rest active then both votes and fos add to the person one down the list (still x and y respectively).
Who do I vote to vote Vector?
Shades works most of the time, like it should now, if he's right. And I think he is.Who do I vote to vote Vector?
Who do I vote to get ToonyMan to occasionally supply reasoning?
Unvote.
Vote Shades.
Vount count.
I will reserve my vote until later on in the day when I have seen some discussion - I was never a fan of random voting.
... What is there to ask? It's day 1. In my opinion, any possible questions would be irrelevant and could not aid in finding scum. For example, I do not see how asking somebody to make up a rule would in any way help us to scum hunt. That is why I have nothing to ask and shall also be withholding my vote. Besides, we have extremely long day phases so there's no rush.
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Obviously I do not discourage the discussion - discussion is always nice, but I guess I just don't really see how asking trivial questions will help in finding scum. If it helps you then that's great, but I probably won't pick up on much until people start voting for people with reasonings.
So I agree that I don't particularly do much at the beginning of a round, but I pick up mid-game and late-game. Also, perhaps it can be regarded as a bit selfish, but there are already people asking one another questions to get discussion going, so there is no need for me to do the same (especially when I do not see the point in such).
There is no means by which to "scum slip" from the questions that are being asked unless you are just a tremendously awful mafia player. So I don't really believe that, through the discussion, any one lynch will be any easier through the questions asked and answers received unless you happen to get extremely lucky and somehow hit the nail on the head. I don't see that as happening. Rather, it seems more like a way just to keep the thread busy until the actual game gets going. There's no problem with that, but I also don't see how it aids in finding scum. The fact of the matter is, at least to me, the day 1 lynch will almost always be the hardest lynch because you have absolutely nothing to go off of in a logical sense. You can try asking questions to get discussion going, which is nice, and certainly doesn't hurt, but I also don't know how much it would help.
I suppose I'll go ahead and ask the only question that seems of any relevance to me, and why not go ahead and just have everybody answer it at once? So to everybody: "What three players would you most prefer as scumbuddies and why?" Obviously Apostolic Nihilist needn't answer since he already has.
I guess I should test out my vote to see if there is anything weird regarding it. I'll try voting for somebody who doesn't have a vote on them just to see if anything funny happens. For now, that vote will be LASD.
I guess I should test out my vote to see if there is anything weird regarding it. I'll try voting for somebody who doesn't have a vote on them just to see if anything funny happens. For now, that vote will be LASD.
LASD has a vote on them, and was just voted for by Pandarsenic for that very reason. So well done for not actually reading what people have posted before you over-react to a day one randomness and also making it yet harder to work out what is going on.
Also well done for making me think your scum, I would vote for you but I'm not changing that till Iknowhave the slightest idea what is going on.
Sorry, it was like 6:30 AM and I had pulled an all-nighter after doing homework all night. I didn't even see Pandarsenic's vote. I don't see how me also voting for LASD made things harder, though. Care to explain?
I guess I should feel proud. At least explain why you think that?
Oh, but yeah, as for having one fewer vote on me than I should... I don't know. I think you'd know if you had your voting rights removed since it said somewhere you'd get a warning first. So if you never got a warning there is no reason why you'd have no vote. So maybe Zai's vote doesn't count or maybe your vote doesn't count and you don't know it, or maybe votes on me are one fewer and I don't know it. I guess there could be a couple of weird reasons. Who knows with a semi-b round.
I actually agree with Shades here. Theoretically, even if we KNEW the scum, it wouldn't do us much good if we didn't actually know how to vote for them. I'd say we need to do a fine balance between scumhunting and discovering how this system works. We cannot completely ignore scumhunting, but at the same time, we cannot just vote as though this were some normal game - because it clearly isn't.
Interesting... I wonder what triggers rule 4, precisely...
I'm just going to go ahead and say that I have a power. I don't know how this round works - maybe everybody has a power. If that is the case, then it doesn't really matter; otherwise, I'd rather at least not let you all lynch me. I figure it's better to be night-killed than be lynched.
It'd be really funny if the rules got scum killed again. :-D
Does anyone else feel a MC?Now that you're back, Redwarrior, explain this.
I will reserve my vote until later on in the day when I have seen some discussion - I was never a fan of random voting.
So, Alsark, here's the deal. You show up D1, make some hemming and hawing excuses about how you "don't typically do anything D1." You say you'll start voting once people start voting for reasons--which immediately starts happening once you make that particular announcement.
... What is there to ask? It's day 1. In my opinion, any possible questions would be irrelevant and could not aid in finding scum. For example, I do not see how asking somebody to make up a rule would in any way help us to scum hunt. That is why I have nothing to ask and shall also be withholding my vote. Besides, we have extremely long day phases so there's no rush.
When requested to help enliven the discussion, you effectively kill it, saying that there's no need to kick-start things (especially because days are so long~!). Rather than attempting to figure out a better mode of behavior, you decide that our efforts are pointless... and so you will sit back, and watch the town languish. This is perhaps the definition of non-proactive.
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Obviously I do not discourage the discussion - discussion is always nice, but I guess I just don't really see how asking trivial questions will help in finding scum. If it helps you then that's great, but I probably won't pick up on much until people start voting for people with reasonings.
Right--you don't discourage the discussion. You just pass it off as trivial and figure you'll ignore it, rather than doing anything about it. That's called "discouragement by omission," doodabuddy. Additionally, reasoning has been supplied for votes... and yet you still haven't been active at all. Hm. What a lovely nest of lies you weave.
So I agree that I don't particularly do much at the beginning of a round, but I pick up mid-game and late-game. Also, perhaps it can be regarded as a bit selfish, but there are already people asking one another questions to get discussion going, so there is no need for me to do the same (especially when I do not see the point in such).
There is no means by which to "scum slip" from the questions that are being asked unless you are just a tremendously awful mafia player. So I don't really believe that, through the discussion, any one lynch will be any easier through the questions asked and answers received unless you happen to get extremely lucky and somehow hit the nail on the head. I don't see that as happening. Rather, it seems more like a way just to keep the thread busy until the actual game gets going. There's no problem with that, but I also don't see how it aids in finding scum. The fact of the matter is, at least to me, the day 1 lynch will almost always be the hardest lynch because you have absolutely nothing to go off of in a logical sense. You can try asking questions to get discussion going, which is nice, and certainly doesn't hurt, but I also don't know how much it would help.
Passiveness, excuses, etc., etc. "Well, I don't know how much it will help, so I'm just going to sit here until someone decides to make things look game-like. You'd have to be really lucky to hit someone on the head, right? Yeah, lucky..."
Looks to me like Zai got lucky, hey?
I suppose I'll go ahead and ask the only question that seems of any relevance to me, and why not go ahead and just have everybody answer it at once? So to everybody: "What three players would you most prefer as scumbuddies and why?" Obviously Apostolic Nihilist needn't answer since he already has.
Then, you proceed to provide... even less information. This is called piggybacking/buddying. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it WRT an entire argument or just stealing someone's question during RVS: you're thefting someone else's work and running with it.
Now, as for why this is scummy, rather than merely lazy. Mafia is largely a game of information control. When you copy others' thoughts, chosen questions, whatever, it becomes impossible to read you. You are throwing up a smokescreen of other people's thoughts and feelings, which in turn will help make you look artificially town.
Nice try, scumbucket.
I guess I should test out my vote to see if there is anything weird regarding it. I'll try voting for somebody who doesn't have a vote on them just to see if anything funny happens. For now, that vote will be LASD.
Could you be any more passive? "Oh, I do declare! What if I decided to vote LASD? Oh, my! Isn't it marvelous, Mr. Darcy?"
And you thought you objected to Zai. Sucks for you, Miss Elizabeth Bennett.
I guess I should test out my vote to see if there is anything weird regarding it. I'll try voting for somebody who doesn't have a vote on them just to see if anything funny happens. For now, that vote will be LASD.
LASD has a vote on them, and was just voted for by Pandarsenic for that very reason. So well done for not actually reading what people have posted before you over-react to a day one randomness and also making it yet harder to work out what is going on.
Also well done for making me think your scum, I would vote for you but I'm not changing that till Iknowhave the slightest idea what is going on.
Sorry, it was like 6:30 AM and I had pulled an all-nighter after doing homework all night. I didn't even see Pandarsenic's vote. I don't see how me also voting for LASD made things harder, though. Care to explain?
I guess I should feel proud. At least explain why you think that?
...
"Oh, my. I'm so proud of my ability to be scummy! Aren't I charming?"
No. No, you are not. What in the hell induced you to think that looking ragingly scummy was a positive?
Oh, but yeah, as for having one fewer vote on me than I should... I don't know. I think you'd know if you had your voting rights removed since it said somewhere you'd get a warning first. So if you never got a warning there is no reason why you'd have no vote. So maybe Zai's vote doesn't count or maybe your vote doesn't count and you don't know it, or maybe votes on me are one fewer and I don't know it. I guess there could be a couple of weird reasons. Who knows with a semi-b round.
A most lovely BUCKET OF WIFOM. Seriously, dude. It's like you're a scumtell-o-matic.
I actually agree with Shades here. Theoretically, even if we KNEW the scum, it wouldn't do us much good if we didn't actually know how to vote for them. I'd say we need to do a fine balance between scumhunting and discovering how this system works. We cannot completely ignore scumhunting, but at the same time, we cannot just vote as though this were some normal game - because it clearly isn't.
Right. Now we don't need to scumhunt, we need to find out the voting mechanic. That's a perfectly valid opinion... or at least, it would be if you were doing anything. But no, first it's "Well, I'll scumhunt later." Then it's "Well, I'm not scumhunting because we need to figure out voting." Then it's "I'm being useless because other people are being useful for me."
This is ridiculous, young man. Absolutely ridiculous.
Interesting... I wonder what triggers rule 4, precisely...
MORE PASSIVE USELESSNESS. Way to active-lurk to go with your passive-lurkery.
[/quote]I'm just going to go ahead and say that I have a power. I don't know how this round works - maybe everybody has a power. If that is the case, then it doesn't really matter; otherwise, I'd rather at least not let you all lynch me. I figure it's better to be night-killed than be lynched.
Unless the scum got royally shafted, I imagine that they have nightkills or something equally useful. Thanks for nothing, scumbucket. Glad to hear about it.
Hm... both my things went where they were "supposed" to, I think. That's odd... wanted them to land on Alsark >_>
I'm posting this now because I believe it should be obvious I'm town, why else would I post how votes (kinda) work, and so have no reason to lieWhy the hell would you say this? It's WIFOM up the ass.
Also, that means right now RedWarrior is the only one with a confirmed block against him - since the mafia didn't (as far as I can tell) get a kill last nightThey didn't get a kill N1 either. At least not a real one.
The list at the beginning says Panda was killed night one.Oh right. I forgot that.
And I was under the impression you were killed as well, but you got better for some reason.I didn't "get better." I never died.
So, Nirur Torir/Shades/RedWarrior0, what are your suspicions, and why?
Toony, try voting for someone. If my power worked right, you should be immune to the rules and thus, in theory, your vote should land on who you want it to land on.
RedWarrior, a request, assuming you're being truthful. Disable both rules, and then double post when you post, to keep the rules disabled.So, Nirur Torir/Shades/RedWarrior0, what are your suspicions, and why?
I'm suspicious of Shades right now, because confirming three people as townie per night seems like an implausible role to me. There's also that WIFOM he through in that last post.
And yet, it's a rather risky move to false-claim like that.
If Glyph is correct that he roleblocked RedWarrior, along with Shades being correct, that makes him a wise lynch, I think. His role is also perfect for a false-claim, because we really don't want to miss a chance to know the rules.
Toony, try voting for someone. If my power worked right, you should be immune to the rules and thus, in theory, your vote should land on who you want it to land on.
Oh... is that why my voting actually worked yesterday? Awesome.
I'm suspicious of Shades right now, because confirming three people as townie per night seems like an implausible role to me. There's also that WIFOM he through in that last post.
So, Nirur Torir/Shades/RedWarrior0, what are your suspicions, and why?
As long as Apostolic Nihilist is on the lynch line and not defending himself, I'm happily not voting as that might give the scumteam the edge to lynch someone else as I'm still not sure where my vote'll end up.
Also, I don't think the rules have anything to do with word count as that would be a real pain to moderate.
LASD, who do you think is scum, and why?
[Recount rules state: rule 4 off, others on]
Rule 4 is currently inactive, but the others are all in force. Keep that in mind when making your decisions.
How are the rules now?Remember how they turn off?
How are the rules now?Remember how they turn off?
LASD, who do you think is scum, and why?
As is evident from my last post, Apostolic Nihilist. My main reason is that I trust Shades and ToonyMan to be town. For the same reason and for my previous suspicions, Redwarrior0. I think he falseclaimed his role and was likely pushing the MC as he had come up with a good falseclaim.
As said before, we should take Shade's suggestions with a grain of salt. We can't lynch to confirm due to roleflips, either.
That's not what I meant. I meant, Alsark could've claimed Lain and said he had an ability which reset the world to D1 if he survived until D3. Even if we lynched him, we wouldn't be able to confirm what his actual ability is, as only alignment/role name flips.As said before, we should take Shade's suggestions with a grain of salt. We can't lynch to confirm due to roleflips, either.
So far roleflips have correlated with what is on the player list in the first post hasn't it?
Rysith: Are there an organized group of anti-town players in this game?Hmm ...
Yes, actually - it says I can lead both types to freedom which gives a win for everyone of those types. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like anyone else is the types I am, but I could always get lucky and switch later. Chances are only 1 in 3 though.
Actually, I was wondering - is it only me, and thus I'm sort of purpose for the types to begin with?
Or does anyone else have type specific actions and/or win conditions as well?
To answer your question: I'm an artist. If the majority of living players are artists, the artists win. I suspect that mathematicians have a similar win condition.This is true.
7) Can you give us any more information?
Days will last 72 hours, nights will last 24 hours. Weekend time counts for half time. Night actions that are not submitted will be assumed nothing rather than delaying the game.
7) Can you give us any more information?The topic title lies. I hope.
Days will last 72 hours, nights will last 24 hours. Weekend time counts for half time. Night actions that are not submitted will be assumed nothing rather than delaying the game.
Okay I'm going to claim here, I'm an artist, Rene Magritte, and my night action is to paint any two of you and see if either of them is scum. I don't get told which one is though. However this means I can confirm town if I get told neither are.
Night one I attempted to draw Toonyman and Gryphglyph mostly because I assumed one of these was scum and I was pretty sure I'd not get who I targeted.
In the result I drew Vector, Halmie, and LASD none of which came up scum.Spoiler: Night one player list (click to show/hide)
Based on the player list and the fact votes seem to work as they do for night two I picked Vector and Neruz expecting to get Nirur Torir, Redwarrior0 and Zai.
In the result I drew Nirur Torir, Toonyman and Zai again told none where scum.Spoiler: Night two player list (click to show/hide)
As I know I am town this leaves only Apostolic Nihilist, GlyphGryph and Redwarrior0 of who at least two are likely to be scum and possible all three, depending how many there are in the game.
I'm posting this now because I believe it should be obvious I'm town, why else would I post how votes (kinda) work, and so have no reason to lie, and I have no wish to die without sharing a list of six confirmed town.
I am of course assuming that my results are accurate which might be a little optimistic due to the semi-bastard modness of it but I can only work with information I have.
So to get things rolling I'm going to vote Zai and FoS Apostolic Nihilist to target the first two of my almost certainly scum list.
I'll also request a vote count
Don't forget, now that two scum are dead there is only one left.
Whatthefuckisgoingon.
There's three scum total Vector, stop freaking out.
I want to know why you're so freaked out about it, do you know something I don't Vector?
4 is possible, but 3 is more likely.
I think the shenanegins with Shades\Apostolic's lynching has caused this game to hit that wall. We were just getting the hang of how this system works, and BAM, it all flips on it's head.
That's my word! *shakes stick*
scumpkin ... Scumpkin
Fake Edit: Actually, it was Zai that fake death flipped first time around. Got the two confused. In which case, we probably should trust any more death announcements and just keep an eye on the front page, which the mod has told us is accurate directly as an answer to a question.
A fine pewter tablet falls from the skies, puffing the snow around where it lands as you rush to see what words is has to say:
We hope we did not scare all of you away?
In any case, neither votes nor rules have changed since last we spoke.
I think you mean extension, not "extinction."
QuoteQuote from: Apostolic Nihilist on January 29, 2010, 03:16:13 PM
As said before, we should take Shade's suggestions with a grain of salt. We can't lynch to confirm due to roleflips, either.
So far roleflips have correlated with what is on the player list in the first post hasn't it?
Also Toony is immune to the rules atm, so votes on him may actually be votes on him.
Extension please.Not even an acknowledgement that your role is scummy? The more I think about it, the more I think you're the most likely to be scum, Redwarrior. Nirur Torir
Redwarrior: You were not on Shades' good list, and have succeeded in giving us no useful information. Additionally, I don't think a role that sows confusion as much as yours is at all useful to the town, while it's a powerful scum role.
Shades was René Magritte, scum and artist.As there's only one Mafia down, scum was apparently Shades' group name, not an indication of him being Mafia. Sooo, it might be his ability looked for scum, not Mafia.
Nirur Torir, I'm still waiting for you to say what you think about not seeing a night kill? A touchy subject maybe? And saying Shades died in strange way because of the rules doesn't explain why the mafia didn't kill.Please check the first post next time, before accusing me with lies. Thank you.
Apostolic NihilistLynched Day 3, Paul DiracShadesKilled Night 3, Rene Magritte
Dunno about Nirur, he appears to have just flat out vanished.I've placed my vote, and I respond when called. My last post was roughly 12 hours ago.
And just a warning for the next day: I may or may not be able to post anything except my votes.
Also, LASD, what do you think of things so far today?I think's it's just a decision between lynching you or Zai. And I know Zai is Mathematician. I don't know anything about you. Also, I'm inclined to say that it's likelier to have scum that can speak than just vote. Though this logic has failed me so far in this game.
All things considered, i'm going to go with Redwarrior0, Redwarrior0, after some serious thought, his ability to mess with the rules is nagging at me.This seems an odd reason to vote for someone who turned up town - he was acting scummy, thats why we lynched him, but you didn't vote him because of that - you voted him because of his power. Why is that?
Zai - I think you're scum, but if you're town you're making a mistake that might cost us the game.
Huzzah!
As promised, the service for Toonyman was held in the chapel, and a dozen clocks were melted in his honor.
Good, you're back. Now, why do you not think Glyph is scummy enough to deserve your vote? I think you're still reeling from your plans being mislaid. If you truely still believed Solifuge was the one who deserved death, you would have brought up me defending her, and how very much that exchange looked scummy.Huzzah!
As promised, the service for Toonyman was held in the chapel, and a dozien clocks were melted in his honor.
Well, as long as this is the way it goes, might as well give you guys a chance to lynch the REAL mafia and get a last chance at winning myself...
I told the truth about my role name/function, but only in part (Zai is still lying) - but what I didn't say was that I'm third party. My "escape" win condition was also true, and my best chance for winning, but you guys had to go and screw it up - winning as town does me no good. I managed to change my type last night, but unfortunately, it looks like I've lost any opportunity to win that way since I won't be getting another chance. I could have saved all yo'asses!
So,
Rysith, activate the bomb.
He's clearly a mutating mad-bomber megalomaniac jester.
It all makes perfect sense!
Still. Neruz, I think you need to roleclaim, as being the only Vanilla Townie is very suspicious, and your first post of the day looks like a panic about Glyph revealing your scumminess.
Ah, we advance. I now realize that you had already roleclaimed, I admit. However, that does not make the other two points incorrect.
Nguh. I... what?I am amused by how in-character this appears. (/peanutgallery)
Okay, seriously. I've got a couple of theorems I absolutely have to go learn now, but the minute I have some spare time I'm going to get back here and try to figure out what's happening.
Yeah, Neruz isn't completely rule-proof, I've targeted him before and ended up at Nirur's house then.
Uhh ... Vector?
As long as Apostolic Nihilist is on the lynch line and not defending himself, I'm happily not voting as that might give the scumteam the edge to lynch someone else as I'm still not sure where my vote'll end up.
Also, I don't think the rules have anything to do with word count as that would be a real pain to moderate.
Also also, I don't think all the claims are legitimate, as at least my PM included a fair number of characters to falseclaim (even one that I could state myself) and I guess the scumteam are even more likely to get them.
Last night I tried to get to Apostolistic's house to check if he really is a mathematician, so I chose Neruz's house and ended up at Nirur Torir's, who got blocked. Duh me, no wonder it didn't work, Apostolic died. (Note to self, when choosing a night action target, don't trust the player list on OP blindly. Also, check if people who you want to clear are dead or not.)
Also, I was absolutely wrong about Shades apparently, glad he's gone.
Now, is rule 2 just shorter days? Or has it effect on voting, Let's see, RedWarrior0, you're still the scummiest around and I still don't trust your role is real.
Oh, that's rather true, Unvote.
Now, you're right, no one died. Also, I blocked you Nirur, what do you think is the reason no one died? It seems a bit like you would've done the kill.
Nirur Torir, I'm still waiting for you to say what you think about not seeing a night kill? A touchy subject maybe? And saying Shades died in strange way because of the rules doesn't explain why the mafia didn't kill.Shades was René Magritte, scum and artist.As there's only one Mafia down, scum was apparently Shades' group name, not an indication of him being Mafia. Sooo, it might be his ability looked for scum, not Mafia.
Still, I think Redwarrior0 is pretty suspicious, but my scales are tipping towards Nirur. Especially if he doesn't start answering questions and keeps adding fuel to bandwagons.
Also, LASD, what do you think of things so far today?I think's it's just a decision between lynching you or Zai. And I know Zai is Mathematician. I don't know anything about you. Also, I'm inclined to say that it's likelier to have scum that can speak than just vote. Though this logic has failed me so far in this game.
And, oh yeah, sorry Nirur for falsely accusing you. Though now I'm weirded out by Mafia not killing day two.
No lynch might be for the best, as I have my roleblocking ability that can be used as a tool to find scum.
Even if scum decides not to kill tonight, I can target the same person again until they do. If I hit real scum the village lives happily ever after, right? For now I guess the best bet (basing on the bomb's aftermath) is Neruz, which means I need to target myself? Or wait, is Neruz exempt from the rules in a way that targeting him really targets him?
Interesting.Indeed. Especially as I roleblocked you.
I confirm LASD's roleblock. He did roleblock me last night.
Which means he didn't do any mafia killering. And neither did i. Vector.
You're the only one who could have killed last night Vector, OOPS.
So he can roleblock one person and kill a completely different person at the same time?
Highly unlikely. I don't buy it.
As long as Apostolic Nihilist is on the lynch line and not defending himself, I'm happily not voting as that might give the scumteam the edge to lynch someone else as I'm still not sure where my vote'll end up.
Also, I don't think the rules have anything to do with word count as that would be a real pain to moderate.
Also also, I don't think all the claims are legitimate, as at least my PM included a fair number of characters to falseclaim (even one that I could state myself) and I guess the scumteam are even more likely to get them.
Last night I tried to get to Apostolistic's house to check if he really is a mathematician, so I chose Neruz's house and ended up at Nirur Torir's, who got blocked. Duh me, no wonder it didn't work, Apostolic died. (Note to self, when choosing a night action target, don't trust the player list on OP blindly. Also, check if people who you want to clear are dead or not.)
Also, I was absolutely wrong about Shades apparently, glad he's gone.
Now, is rule 2 just shorter days? Or has it effect on voting, Let's see, RedWarrior0, you're still the scummiest around and I still don't trust your role is real.
Oh, that's rather true, Unvote.
Now, you're right, no one died. Also, I blocked you Nirur, what do you think is the reason no one died? It seems a bit like you would've done the kill.
Nirur Torir, I'm still waiting for you to say what you think about not seeing a night kill? A touchy subject maybe? And saying Shades died in strange way because of the rules doesn't explain why the mafia didn't kill.Shades was René Magritte, scum and artist.
As there's only one Mafia down, scum was apparently Shades' group name, not an indication of him being Mafia. Sooo, it might be his ability looked for scum, not Mafia.
Still, I think Redwarrior0 is pretty suspicious, but my scales are tipping towards Nirur. Especially if he doesn't start answering questions and keeps adding fuel to bandwagons.
Also, LASD, what do you think of things so far today?
I think's it's just a decision between lynching you or Zai. And I know Zai is Mathematician. I don't know anything about you. Also, I'm inclined to say that it's likelier to have scum that can speak than just vote. Though this logic has failed me so far in this game.
And, oh yeah, sorry Nirur for falsely accusing you. Though now I'm weirded out by Mafia not killing day two.
No lynch might be for the best, as I have my roleblocking ability that can be used as a tool to find scum.
Even if scum decides not to kill tonight, I can target the same person again until they do. If I hit real scum the village lives happily ever after, right? For now I guess the best bet (basing on the bomb's aftermath) is Neruz, which means I need to target myself? Or wait, is Neruz exempt from the rules in a way that targeting him really targets him?
Vector was Mao Zedong, innocent and world leader.
Neruz was Vanilla Townie, scum.
Zai was Mariusz Wodzicki, scum and mathematician/Secret world leader.
Nirur Torir was M. C. Escher, innocent and artist.
LASD was Pál Erdos, innocent and mathematician.
Should probably Vector too, just to make sure.
No, i'm just not willing to try and second-guess the mod. Without attempting to second-guess the mod, you are scum. I don't know enough about Rysith to second-guess him without ending up locked in the wine cellar, so i'm just going to ignore that and hit you.
If i was reading scum from LASD, i might possibly agree with you, but i'm not getting any solid scum readings off either of you.
LASD's actions so far line up with what i'd expect from someone who is completely and totally confused as to what the fuck is going on in this crazy game. Considering i've spent the entire game in exactly that situation, i'm not about to lynch him for that.This makes it quite logical why we're one of last ones alive. It's easiest to direct and blame people who aren't exactly sure what's going on.
The "sorry for misaccusing you, Nirur Torir," even though he should have absolutely no idea as to whether his accusation was correct.Yeah, that would've been better worded: "Sorry Nirur for accusing you on false information."
It's about LASD's complete lack of contact with GlyphGryph OR Leafsnail.
Yeah, bye Glyph, I'm very convinced that you're Mafia. ZaiI'm not saying this is anything major and you can say I jumped on a bandwagon (My reason was that I trusted Zai, especially after seeing his rather painful efforts at overcoming his limitation), but your statement is incorrect.
Papers for Everyone: Once all living players have authored papers with you, there is nothing further to hold you here. You'll wander off to find more people to work with, victorious."Well." Vector muttered, drawing the pistol and casting it aside," I won't be needing that anymore. I've got a world to run, and run properly. I am the ruler of this world, and a ruler needs his crown."
United Nations: If all living players are World Leaders, you'll give up on this pointless fighting to argue and debate about the proper direction of the world, and all declare victory for yourselves.
Wait, so scum didn't win? Even though Vector was scum? Scum should have won! Vector should merely have... double won?
That was fun, if stressful at times.
If you run another like it Rysith count me in :)
Haha--thanks for the compliment on my "endgame" post in the scumchat, by the way. I really appreciated it.
I love how you won because we still didn't know how the goddamn voting worked.Exactly my thoughts. Also it was ironically amusing how Vector and me were trying to lynch each other and you were the deciding vote and still, in the end, you died while we won.
Also, it's pretty strange that I legitimately claimed my role as a roleblocker and never got killed. Though it's probably due to the fact that I didn't hit a Mafia member until the very end.
*Grumble* Vector should have been lynched *Grumble*
This ended the way it did because of those damn voting rules dancing all over the place like lunatics.
This ended the way it did because of those damn voting rules dancing all over the place like lunatics.
It wasn't that bad really, rule 4 or 5 changed early on but we got the hang of that (kinda) and at the end rule 3 turned off which meant you voted for who you voted for :)
Why was I night-killed?
Tonight, you shall follow Niruir Torir, and see what villany his is up to. You head back to your house, paint for a few minutes (you've been without sleep for more than a hundred hours now, just when the good art starts coming out), and then put on your coat to head to Niruir Torir's house. Somewhat surprisingly, there is a chinese man with a gun standing at your door when you open it. He says "bang", his gun says "bang", and you fall to the ground.
Vector: "So, first off, we've delayed the seeming inevitable CK replace for a little bit longer (whoo-hoo)." >,,> <,,< Should I be flattered?
The ability to modpost once per day is overpowered when you're trying to figure out the rules, and that the rules are official.
Na'theless, applause to Vector!