This is my first game ever.
(Am I doing it right?)
Yes. I'm not mafia.This is my first game ever.
Should be interesting then... At least there aren't many roles to mess with you. One doctor on the town team to protect people and one scum roleblocker to mess with the doc.(Am I doing it right?)
Looks good so far to me. Which could mean that you are either naturally skilled at mafia, you've been reading strategy, or you have a more experienced scum buddy helping you out...
Hmm. Random votey goodness...
webadict, is there any particular reason we shouldn't lynch you today?
webadict, is there any particular reason we shouldn't lynch you today?Yes. I'm not mafia.
I guess you can't until I find the two of them, now can you?webadict, is there any particular reason we shouldn't lynch you today?Yes. I'm not mafia.
That's definitely a good reason not to lynch you, but only if it's true. Why should I believe you?
Mephansteras: If you had two apples and everyone was starving, who would you share your other apple with?
And what if you had three apples?
I guess you can't until I find the two of them, now can you?
Zai, why don't you come join in the fun. Your name appears to be the most abbreviated in the OP. Does that mean that dakarian was paying more attention to it when sending you the Mafia role PM perhaps?
Hmm, looks like we have a few people I haven't seen much of.
dorf and dirtybirty, how much mafia experience do you have?
So Leafsnail, why do I get the feeling that you are mafia again as in NSBM2?Perhaps it's because you're a paranoid MAFIA MEMBER!? In all seriousness, I'm more of an anti-Pandarsenic in terms of alignment. I've flipped mafia twice in total.
Hmm, looks like we have a few people I haven't seen much of.
dorf and dirtybirty, how much mafia experience do you have?
This is my 3rd game online. However I did play with classmates in real life maybe some 4-6 times. Not exactly sure now. It was fun and always different.
So Leafsnail, why do I get the feeling that you are mafia again as in NSBM2?Perhaps it's because you're a paranoid MAFIA MEMBER!?
Dost thou admidst to being the partner of Scum? The only way Scum could THINK you were fellow scum is if you WERE fellow scum.
Didn't see your post. I suppose lurkers have their reasons for lurking though it's not my style of play. Nonetheless, you seem almost angry Zai for no apparent reason...that to me is scummy.
JanusTwoFace is two-faced scum.
Unvote.
Pandarsenic's quick ok-i-posted-so-don't-lynch-me-please reply and weak argument seem suspiciously scummy to me...
Tell us, where were you all this time? And why didn't you vote for your pal Zai for his (obviously) scummy way of conversing?
JanusTwoFace is two-faced scum.Nope. Not scum. No matter the number of faces.
Zai, why don't you come join in the fun. Your name appears to be the most abbreviated in the OP. Does that mean that dakarian was paying more attention to it when sending you the Mafia role PM perhaps?
This dost not makest sense, fair square. As we all know, Dak splittests up the roles fairly by doing it most randomly. But evenest if Dak didst not, I think he wouldst pay most attention to you and Meph.
- Eduren has not posted yet (I know it's only the first few hours).JanusTwoface, I find this list very interesting. It definately looks like you're making a scumhunting effort, yet you aren't really putting any pressure on anyone with it due to the fact that you've made four weak accusations at once.
- webadict isn't posting overmuch. How do you like them apples?
- dorf for odd reasoning against Pandarsenic.
- Leafsnail for only FoSing then not posting much more.
So Leafsnail, why do I get the feeling that you are mafia again as in NSBM2?Perhaps it's because you're a paranoid MAFIA MEMBER!? In all seriousness, I'm more of an anti-Pandarsenic in terms of alignment. I've flipped mafia twice in total.
Eduren, you haven't come down here yet. What do you think about my placing an FoS rather than a vote on you?
What about this then? The first half looks like a classic case of trying to use Gambler's Fallacy to protect yourself. You've only flipped scum twice, so why should this game be any different?It's not a defence. Just an observation.
And if you're so anti-Pandarsenic as you claim, why are you not even coming close to thinking about putting pressure on him?For Pandarsenic, we say "Scum is always scum". I'm sortof like the opposite. That's what I meant by "anti-Pandarsenic" rather than "I HAVE A PERSONAL GRUDGE AGAINST PANDAR AND WILL RANDOMLY TRY TO GET HIM LYNCHED".
Unvote.
Pandarsenic's quick ok-i-posted-so-don't-lynch-me-please reply and weak argument seem suspiciously scummy to me...
Tell us, where were you all this time? And why didn't you vote for your pal Zai for his (obviously) scummy way of conversing?
I'm doing one for everyone. You just bumped yourself to first because of your response.Aaaand you aren't bothering to follow up your accusation. At all. You're just leaving to bash someone else. You created a weak analysis of a few people, posted a tiny little bit more in the hope that I would leave you alone and then went on to someone else. This looks like classic "Hey, I'm helpful!" scum.
Mephansteras: If you had two apples and everyone was starving, who would you share your other apple with?
And what if you had three apples?
QuoteI'm doing one for everyone. You just bumped yourself to first because of your response.Aaaand you aren't bothering to follow up your accusation. At all. You're just leaving to bash someone else. You created a weak analysis of a few people, posted a tiny little bit more in the hope that I would leave you alone and then went on to someone else. This looks like classic "Hey, I'm helpful!" scum.
Heh, I predicted this.Unvote.
Pandarsenic's quick ok-i-posted-so-don't-lynch-me-please reply and weak argument seem suspiciously scummy to me...
Tell us, where were you all this time? And why didn't you vote for your pal Zai for his (obviously) scummy way of conversing?
lulwut FailScum
1) No one was voting Pandar, so there couldn't be a "don't lynch me" reply from him, and there wasn't
2) There was no argument and it's pretty much still Random Voting Stage anyway; if anything you're misinterpreting his "reason for voting" Janus as an argument
3) People have lives. The game just started 3 hours ago, without much warning. People will be where they will be. You only get to say "where the hell were you" after a day has gone by.
4) I get to play however the fuck I want. I've been changing things up recently. And if the way I was talking is so scummy...why did you vote Pandar instead of me, FailScum? At least be consistent. If I'm so fucking obvious as scum, then why'd you vote for someone else, and with shittier logic?
inb4 "lol silly scum defending another person against obviously terrible arguments is so scummy. gee i hope no one notices I'M the real scum lol"
It looks to me like you're overcompensating as newbie scum to me, dorf.
[PPE:] Ninja'd somewhat
Incorrect sir. You avoided a meaningless question by using an unoriginal answer. For that, I shall say that the scum team is...Mephansteras: If you had two apples and everyone was starving, who would you share your other apple with?
And what if you had three apples?
They're apples, I'd split them up so everyone got an equal share of apple.
I'm thinking Zai and Janus maybe.Interesting buddying, Pandarsenic. Jumping on people without applying pressure is very unlike you.
Zai's attempt to buddy me is a little weird; he went to unusual lengths to defend me. Janus... Janus eats gunpowder and shits scum, basically. I shouldn't even have to explain it.
Still waiting to hear from Eduren, so my vote will stay there for now.^THIS IS SCUMMY!
Web is doing his normal grab-and-smash approach to scum hunting. Nothing new there.
Any particular reason you're voting for Zai, web?
You aren't following it up though. You're just defending yourself slightly from what I've posted, and are now posting a little more info on each accusation. That's not what I meant, really, and the fact that you're doing all this just to defend yourself looks very odd.
However, Pandarsenic, I'm seeing something very strange in your posts. It's something about the way you keep attacking people without pressuring them, almost as if you're trying to get them lynched rather than trying to determine if they are scum.That too.
Heh, I predicted this.Heh, I predicted this.
What I did was still RVS. I voted Pandarsenic for, obviously, bullshit reasons, hoping that someone (you) would then try a little too hard in finding valid arguments where there aren't any.
And you did just that.
Unvote
You just went up on my list, Zai.
inb4 "lol silly scum defending another person against obviously terrible arguments is so scummy. gee i hope no one notices I'M the real scum lol"
Zai's attempt to buddy me is a little weird; he went to unusual lengths to defend me.It's not buddying. It's pointing out fallacies in people's reasons for voting; it doesn't matter who they're voting for. You people need to get over that; I used this idiotic idea of yours to get me lynched in BYORP (now uPP), but it's nonetheless idiotic. It's just pointing out flaws in people's thinking. If someone's being stupid, I point out their stupidity.
That being said, I think you're trying a little to hard to damn me. I'm not trying to defend myself, I'm trying to get other players to post so that we can read them. I've definitely gotten responses out of you (Leafsnail) and Pandarsenic, so that's good.
I'm not trying to defend myself, I'm trying to get other players to post so that we can read them.
I'm not trying to defend myselfThen try, scumbag.
Dude... Since there are no roles (excepting the doctor), I can't use my usual logic-like game so I'm forced to be more aggressive than usual.My accusation is lack of aggression, not excess aggression. Heck, the post you just made looks like an apology and an attempt not to annoy anyone. In addition, you seem to be buddying me by agreeing to a post I made and pushing a lurker. Very, very scummy.
Janus is still scum.Yeah, but try and say something useful about it.
Thus, I say Zai + Pandarsenic seem the most scummy to me, atm.And yet there seems to be a blindness towards me and Janus. Why?
This is my first game ever.
Should be interesting then... At least there aren't many roles to mess with you. One doctor on the town team to protect people and one scum roleblocker to mess with the doc.(Am I doing it right?)
Looks good so far to me. Which could mean that you are either naturally skilled at mafia, you've been reading strategy, or you have a more experienced scum buddy helping you out...
Hmm. Random votey goodness...
webadict, is there any particular reason we shouldn't lynch you today?
Andwebadict, is there any particular reason we shouldn't lynch you today?Yes. I'm not mafia.
That's definitely a good reason not to lynch you, but only if it's true. Why should I believe you?
I guess you can't until I find the two of them, now can you?
Hmm... I guess that's fair enough for now. Don't think you've escaped my suspicion though. unvote.
Zai, why don't you come join in the fun. Your name appears to be the most abbreviated in the OP. Does that mean that dakarian was paying more attention to it when sending you the Mafia role PM perhaps?
JanusTwoFace is two-faced scum.Nope. Not scum. No matter the number of faces.Zai, why don't you come join in the fun. Your name appears to be the most abbreviated in the OP. Does that mean that dakarian was paying more attention to it when sending you the Mafia role PM perhaps?
This dost not makest sense, fair square. As we all know, Dak splittests up the roles fairly by doing it most randomly. But evenest if Dak didst not, I think he wouldst pay most attention to you and Meph.
Hmm... You're probably right. unvote
So far as suspicions go:
- Eduren has not posted yet (I know it's only the first few hours).
- webadict isn't posting overmuch. How do you like them apples?
- dorf for odd reasoning against Pandarsenic.
- Leafsnail for only FoSing then not posting much more.
Four weak accusations? What would you have me going off of then? I'm putting out everything that I've seen that's even somewhat suspicious.Weak pseudo-hunting.So Leafsnail, why do I get the feeling that you are mafia again as in NSBM2?Perhaps it's because you're a paranoid MAFIA MEMBER!? In all seriousness, I'm more of an anti-Pandarsenic in terms of alignment. I've flipped mafia twice in total.
Eduren, you haven't come down here yet. What do you think about my placing an FoS rather than a vote on you?
What about this then? The first half looks like a classic case of trying to use Gambler's Fallacy to protect yourself. You've only flipped scum twice, so why should this game be any different?
And if you're so anti-Pandarsenic as you claim, why are you not even coming close to thinking about putting pressure on him?
Hmmm scum? How about it?
I'm doing one for everyone. You just bumped yourself to first because of your response.More convincing but not convinced.Unvote.
Pandarsenic's quick ok-i-posted-so-don't-lynch-me-please reply and weak argument seem suspiciously scummy to me...
Tell us, where were you all this time? And why didn't you vote for your pal Zai for his (obviously) scummy way of conversing?
Hmm. This seems like you're trying a little hard. Granted, Pandarsenic didn't post anything of depth, but it is/was random-vote-stage. Perfectly normal thing to do. And *all this time*? Really? He posted 3 (RL) hours after the game started. Out of 48 hours. Oh no, what is this craziness!
And then nothing else? Hmm. I see, hoping that you could get a quick vote off and then lie low? Hmm, shiny. Or scummy. As it were.
Mephansteras: If you had two apples and everyone was starving, who would you share your other apple with?
And what if you had three apples?
I already said you've been quieter that normal this round. But what sort of question is this? Are you really going to go with such an obvious question trying to find Mephansteras' scum team?
Unless of course, you're both the scum here. That way, when we lynch you (you know it's going to happen), then Meph will be safe. Because who would ever be that obvious?
For that matter, why haven't you called out half of the town for being scum? Isn't that your usual play style? Being absolutely convinced that you know who the scum are to the point that you get them all lynched?QuoteI'm doing one for everyone. You just bumped yourself to first because of your response.Aaaand you aren't bothering to follow up your accusation. At all. You're just leaving to bash someone else. You created a weak analysis of a few people, posted a tiny little bit more in the hope that I would leave you alone and then went on to someone else. This looks like classic "Hey, I'm helpful!" scum.
I'm not bothering to follow up which accusation? I'm following up the four that I posted. So sue me if there's not not much more to go on just yet. My goal is to generate more context for later in the game.
Now, irrelevant questions is a scumtell for Meph, seen most clearly in Bay 12 Mafia.
However, Pandarsenic, I'm seeing something very strange in your posts. It's something about the way you keep attacking people without pressuring them, almost as if you're trying to get them lynched rather than trying to determine if they are scum.
You've played with me before, yes? I don't do aggressive well in general. That was me being aggressive. This is also me being aggressive, just so you know...Spoiler: Why Pandarsenic is scum (click to show/hide)
vote Pandarsenic
Also, webadict is scum.
See I can make vague claims without bringing up any sort of evidence as well as either of you.
Seems like he realized that he overdefended Pandarsenic. And now, when he tried to correct the situation, he dug an even bigger hole!
unvote. So, dorf I noticed that you haven't voted yet, but you're flinging accusations all around. This seems scummy to me.It's typically a good idea to explain why something seems scummy to you, not just point out what seems scummy to you.
... Why so sarcastic?unvote. So, dorf I noticed that you haven't voted yet, but you're flinging accusations all around. This seems scummy to me.It's typically a good idea to explain why something seems scummy to you, not just point out what seems scummy to you.
And yeah, Web. I'll be sure to do that.
Why not? Does it hurt your feelings?... Why so sarcastic?unvote. So, dorf I noticed that you haven't voted yet, but you're flinging accusations all around. This seems scummy to me.It's typically a good idea to explain why something seems scummy to you, not just point out what seems scummy to you.
And yeah, Web. I'll be sure to do that.
No. Does it make your point any less valid?Why not? Does it hurt your feelings?... Why so sarcastic?unvote. So, dorf I noticed that you haven't voted yet, but you're flinging accusations all around. This seems scummy to me.It's typically a good idea to explain why something seems scummy to you, not just point out what seems scummy to you.
And yeah, Web. I'll be sure to do that.
What's my point?Does it hurt your feelings?No. Does it make your point any less valid?
That you won't consider voting for eduren.What's my point?Does it hurt your feelings?No. Does it make your point any less valid?
And yeah, Web. I'll be sure to do that.Why not?
I never said I wouldn't consider voting eduren. But you really should try to provide some reasons sometime. Especially if you want the rest of us to follow your lead.What's my point?That you won't consider voting for eduren.
Why not what?And yeah, Web. I'll be sure to do that.Why not?
...And yeah, Web. I'll be sure to do that.Why not?
Which doesn't really change my mind at all. I vote for you because you're yelling 'Janus is scum' over and over without actually backing it up. I finally put enough pressure on you to get you to respond so you have to respond or look even *more* scummy. And scummy you are.My points were perfectly legitimate, but you ignored them in favour of the blanket "I AM TOWN" defence. You just did exactly the same thing with Pandarsenic.
I thought I did. Are you now trying to get me to paraphrase my arguments until you come up with enough false discrepancies?Seems like he realized that he overdefended Pandarsenic. And now, when he tried to correct the situation, he dug an even bigger hole!lulwut Bullshit. Explain or I switch to you for making things up.
unvote. So, dorf I noticed that you haven't voted yet, but you're flinging accusations all around. This seems scummy to me.Geez, I yawned. You clearly aren't with it. If you were, you'd noticed that I've voted and then unvoted for pursuit of scumdom, which is something you clearly aren't doing, since you haven't said ANYTHING useful from the get-go.
"See? He even GAVE you reason and you didn't pick it up!"I never said I wouldn't consider voting eduren. But you really should try to provide some reasons sometime. Especially if you want the rest of us to follow your lead.What's my point?That you won't consider voting for eduren.Why not what?And yeah, Web. I'll be sure to do that.Why not?
dorf, instead of calling random people scummy and OMGUSing like a motherfucker every time someone looks in your direction, you could go after actual scum, like Janus.Don't worry, you're in third place, so I'm narrowing down.
dorf, instead of calling random people scummy and OMGUSing like a motherfucker every time someone looks in your direction, you could go after actual scum, like Janus.
I think you could use just a bit more emphasis on the "OMGUSing like a motherfucker" piece there.dorf, instead of calling random people scummy and OMGUSing like a motherfucker every time someone looks in your direction, you could go after actual scum, like Janus.
presumably waiting for someone else to vote for them first so he can climb aboard the bandwagonCorrect.
...This is a joke, right?presumably waiting for someone else to vote for them first so he can climb aboard the bandwagonCorrect.
I will wait a little bit longer to see if there's a bandwagon I can get behind, if not, I will seek justice further.
Rofl.presumably waiting for someone else to vote for them first so he can climb aboard the bandwagonCorrect.
I will wait a little bit longer to see if there's a bandwagon I can get behind, if not, I will seek justice further.
presumably waiting for someone else to vote for them first so he can climb aboard the bandwagonCorrect.
I will wait a little bit longer to see if there's a bandwagon I can get behind, if not, I will seek justice further.
From what I've seen, bandwagoning is sort-of common (then again, I've only seen a limited amount of games) and I don't see why me wanting to join a bandwagon that complies with my suspicions is scummy.Rofl.presumably waiting for someone else to vote for them first so he can climb aboard the bandwagonCorrect.
I will wait a little bit longer to see if there's a bandwagon I can get behind, if not, I will seek justice further.
Unvote.
Vote Dorf. Thanks for saying this - this is fairly obviously not a newbtell but a scumtell. Newbs have no reason not to vote their suspicions but newbscum will often be ridiculously over cautious in this manner.
Janus - you're not off the hook, but Dorf is completely obv scum now.
Vote dorf. You're looking much too eager to find someone to lynch, and not nearly concerned enough about whether or not the person you lynch is actually scum or not. This is not town behavior, dorf.The way I see it is I did what I was supposed to - trying to lure out the scums.
Your actions so far seem to be more of the "Oooh, if I accuse enough people then I can take credit if a scum gets lynched and I can just hide behind my accusations if they flip town!"I feel that mere accusations, at this point, don't carry much weight. I take my FoS' a bit more seriously (than Leafsnail, at least) and I'm inclined to vote on them later, if I gather enough proof.
presumably waiting for someone else to vote for them first so he can climb aboard the bandwagonCorrect.
I will wait a little bit longer to see if there's a bandwagon I can get behind, if not, I will seek justice further.
Also, I am the Doctor.This looks like desperate scum trying to draw out the real doctor.
I am Sparticus!Janus, why did you move to distance yourself from the outcome of yesterday's lynch? Perhaps you knew he would flip innocent?
More seriously, I'm hesitant to lynch dorf on the chance that he's telling the truth. Of course, that's exactly what scum dorf would want us to think and there's no way to prove it (short of roleflip).
On the other hand, if you actually are the doctor, you're next to useless now that the roleblocker knows who you are...
That being said, I know I'd know if I were scum and dorf is acting scummy. Ergo, a dorf lynch is preferable to a me lynch.
PS. On phone so do not expect any more long replies till tomorrow (game time).
Vote Zai.lulwut is my only response to this.
Why? Because you didn't take me seriously. Web tried to apply pressure to me and you didn't take him seriously. You took neither of us seriously. You were acting way too cautious. You did not want to look at my more than scummy behavior yesterday.
Also, third-vote lulz.
Janus, why did you move to distance yourself from the outcome of yesterday's lynch? Perhaps you knew he would flip innocent?
That being said, I know I'd know if I were scum and dorf is acting scummy. Ergo, a dorf lynch is preferable to a me lynch.AKA "I'm scum who knows that I don't need to vote him in order to seal his lynch". It looks like you're making a conscious effort not to bandwagon rather than anything else - if you actually thought dorf was town, you would've defended him yesterday. Ergo, Janus is scum.
...Zai...
Anything to say?
lulwut is my only response to this.Well, its been a few days, so...
For now, at least.
Zai and Mephansteras both said they'd look into things
Right now I'm most suspicious of Pandarsenic and JanusTwoFace. Neither of you voted for dorf, despite both of you finding his behavior scummy. Janus is especially suspect, since you noted that there was a good chance that he was scum instead of newb doc but didn't vote. Could be because it wasn't necessary, could be that you knew he'd flip town. You two have also been in a huge fight all day 1 to the exclusion of really looking at anyone else. I find this very suspicious.
Zai and Mephansteras both said they'd look into things
I never said I'd do that, Janus.
...Zai...
Anything to say?
Not tonight. Tomorrow, maybe.
It's pretty obvious I felt dorf was more newblet than scum by the end.
Zai, Mephansteras, dirtybirdy, Eduren? Any of have someone scummy enough to lynch that isn't me? At least ideas?Nobody even listens to me, do they? I want to lynch Zai, I have since the start of the day.
Vote Zai.
Why? Because you didn't take me seriously. Web tried to apply pressure to me and you didn't take him seriously. You took neither of us seriously. You were acting way too cautious. You did not want to look at my more than scummy behavior yesterday.
I've got two people in mind as possible scum.Then why do you only mention one, dirtybirdy? If you have suspicions as town, you better fucking well tell 'em before you get offed in the night.
Also, when reconfronted with this...umm.. all that was done was a "cloud of confusion" which I think is another scum tell. So, in conclusion... I vote for Zai.I have no idea what you mean by a "cloud of confusion," but I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit. There's a few things in this game you could call me scum for, but that's not one of 'em. You're acting more confused than I have.
If you have suspicions as town, you better fucking well tell 'em before you get offed in the night.yeah whatever scum bag. I'm not confused, just new. It's different not impossible.
Kinda bold to put your business of who you're going to off in the night scum. But anyway, I do have 2 people in mind as scum with you at the top of the list. Often times, I think people get caught up in making scum teams myself included. I should just focus on a main target. so I choose you because you're oozing with scummyness. The other person is Leafsnail, but it's only a gut feeling.Also, when reconfronted with this...umm.. all that was done was a "cloud of confusion" which I think is another scum tell. So, in conclusion... I vote for Zai.I have no idea what you mean by a "cloud of confusion," but I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit. There's a few things in this game you could call me scum for, but that's not one of 'em. You're acting more confused than I have.
This is exactly your problem Zai. This is the second time this game you've promised to post tomorrow (and there is a third one after that), and you have yet to deliver without being prodded into action by a potential lynch.
If you have suspicions as town, you better fucking well tell 'em before you get offed in the night.
Kinda bold to put your business of who you're going to off in the night scum. But anyway, I do have 2 people in mind as scum with you at the top of the list. Often times, I think people get caught up in making scum teams myself included. I should just focus on a main target. so I choose you because you're oozing with scummyness. The other person is Leafsnail, but it's only a gut feeling.
Since the extension:
- 2 posts from Zai attacking me
It is official.
Hell has frozen over.
We've actually lynched a mafia member, in a (basically) mountainous game, before lylo.
Now, I was away for most of the end of the day, so I'll need a but of time to read back through the thread. To start off with, though, dirtybirdy, why did you ignore Janus yesterday while attacking Zai for the same thing? Who do you think is our final mafia member? Similarly, Janus seemed to ignore you, for the most part. Why do you think he did this?
It is official.I'm voting DirtyBirdy.
Hell has frozen over.
We've actually lynched a mafia member, in a (basically) mountainous game, before lylo.
Now, I was away for most of the end of the day, so I'll need a but of time to read back through the thread. To start off with, though, dirtybirdy, why did you ignore Janus yesterday while attacking Zai for the same thing? Who do you think is our final mafia member? Similarly, Janus seemed to ignore you, for the most part. Why do you think he did this?
Then you said something about why I voted what Janus voted or something like that. Don't know why Janus votes the way he does...but I cast my vote prior to Janus so I don't know how there could be a correlation there.lul Because you have to vote in a certain order as scum team for there to be a connection. Right.
If you controlled the vote to cause a no lynch, it would have been clear that you were protecting Janus. However, by placing the final vote on Janus you become a townie hero...thus diverting attention away from the fact you were merely sacrificing your partner who was inevitably going to get lynched. A sacrifice for the team so to speak.Except that if I had made a no lynch...we'd be at LYLO, and neither me nor Janus would have flipped (unless I got NKed). So there wouldn't have been a need for that "sacrifice" because nobody would know Janus was scum, so it wouldn't be clear that I was protecting him. So this theory completely falls through. Keep trying.
I'll vote later; I'm fine with a no lynch if I don't get back in time, if that's what happens with ties.lulul
Since the extension:
- 2 posts from Zai attacking me
What? Where is this elusive second post? I made 3 posts, but in only one of them did I "attack" you ("s because I was simply stating who I thought was scum; I didn't even vote because I had another day to look over and decide). However, I did "attack" DB in 2 of those posts. Are you confusing your scum buddy with yourself now, Janus?
1 replacement for dirtybirdy is needed.
I take note that she posted about literally once a day each day in the afternoon. I got word of the request on monday about the time of her post.Learn something new every day...
It'd also really suck if this thing died due to replacement requirements.
The first contains what is clearly an attack on Janus (and dirtybirdy). The second contains no attacks whatsoever, so I believe that in this case we can characterize Janus's statement as an "overreaction," rather than a connection between him and dirtybirdy.But even when they're talking to each other, they don't seem to want to accuse each other. They just sortof ignore eachother (even though Janus was one of the ones up for a lynch).
Fuck it, I'll just number them. I'm not dealing with quote organization for all that.
Point 1: "Hi, I'm going to compare your actions to something totally different!" Dissimiles don't work in Mafia, Vector.
Point 2: "Dorf's randomvote (stated to be such by him, confirmed by his deathflip) and Janus' wine list." Janus' attacks on everyone are poorly supported, Vector. It's why he was so clearly scum. And really, 'lack of defense for his attack' and 'already knows what's happening?' Don't make us imagine the worst for you. You're going to accuse me, you will give me something concrete to refute. This is the Duke Nukem Forever of accusations. You're trying to present a little pseudo-idea and have us fill it in. So, what do you mean by 'lack of defense for his attack' and what, precisely, do you say is happening here? I wish to tell you how wrong you are. And I'm aware that demanding something to actually respond to is also something I did in BYOR2, so don't try to call my meta on that.
Point 3: "Janus' OMGUS, which Pandarsenic declared as the final nail in JanusTwoFace's coffin, is actually evidence of Pandarsenic's guilt!" Stick your head in a blender.
Point 4: "MY GOD! JANUS IS TRYING TO BUDDY PANDARSENIC TO GET SOMEONE WHO REALIZES HOW SCUMMY HE IS OFF OF HIM! PANDARSENIC MUST BE SCUM BECAUSE SCUM ONLY BUDDY THEIR PARTNERS!" Seriously. Head, blender. Do it.
Point 5: "The 'big argument' thing." I think that may have actually been Janus trying to get people to ignore my WoT damning him at that point, and to instead look at his argument with Leaf, who (while correct) did not organize a big explanation of the many and varied forms of JanusTwoFace Being Scum like I did. I dunno. Maybe he was trying to spam out WIFOM in his dying breaths.
Also, just a reminder for all of the above: Until JanusTwoFace's lynch, I never (that I can recall?) voted anyone beside Janus. Take what you will from that.
Vector, bear in mind that if Pandarsenic is Janus' scumpartner, he was effectively bussing him, and bussing him consistently over the course of 2 days, long before he was in real danger. Why would he be doing this?
Quote from: VectorThe first contains what is clearly an attack on Janus (and dirtybirdy). The second contains no attacks whatsoever, so I believe that in this case we can characterize Janus's statement as an "overreaction," rather than a connection between him and dirtybirdy.But even when they're talking to each other, they don't seem to want to accuse each other. They just sortof ignore eachother (even though Janus was one of the ones up for a lynch).
Also, I'm beginning to wonder why someone would kill Meph in the night. Yeah, he's a good player, but the fact he wasn't around towards the end of the day means he'd be more of a suspect than Pandar or Zai, so it seems like a rather odd choice. I can't think of any reason why Pandar or Zai would off him instead of the other one or myself. And before you shout "WIFOM!", would you mind explaining what exactly the WIFOM would be meant to achieve?
Eduren, is there any reason why you've been absent in the last little bit?Well at first I was waiting for Pandar to come back and have his say. Then I wanted to let you get your bearings and have your say.
Yeah, Vector's trying too hard to push this idea because he can't avoid a lynch any other way.
As I've been saying, I think it's a D1 bus. Why? Well, precisely for the reason you've posited: "Why would he be doing this?" It's a treasure-trove of WIFOM, and I know Pandarsenic can't resist them. I've watched his scumgame, and he's a WIFOM-player. He consistently attempts to do precisely what won't be expected, and what people call impossible.Yeah, but you're making a serious scum mistake
Quote from: VectorAs I've been saying, I think it's a D1 bus. Why? Well, precisely for the reason you've posited: "Why would he be doing this?" It's a treasure-trove of WIFOM, and I know Pandarsenic can't resist them. I've watched his scumgame, and he's a WIFOM-player. He consistently attempts to do precisely what won't be expected, and what people call impossible.Yeah, but you're making a serious scum mistake
Just because it could be true doesn't mean it is. Yes, Pandarsenic might be pulling off an extremely elaborate bussing attempt, but that doesn't mean he is. I see no reason to think that he was doing anything other than attacking a scummy player.
So yes, you've made a pretty good case as to how Pandarsenic could be scum. But you haven't really made any attempt to say why he is scum and why you're voting him.
Dorf: The Doctor is in the house! \o/
Zai would be too obvious of a night kill for the first night. Besides he/she just annoys the hell out of me.
If I do get lynched, then I'd like you to kill of Zai for me although at that point, it's completely up to you.
To be fair, I doubt anyone could've escaped at that point. But yeah.
Bitches don't know about my scumhunting.And forget that It was I that turned everybodies attention to DB?
Bow before me and Zai, everybody.
And forget that It was I that turned everybodies attention to DB?
I get no respect, no respect at all
Bitches don't know about my scumhunting.
Bow before me and Zai, everybody.
More seriously, I'm hesitant to lynch dorf on the chance that he's telling the truth. Of course, that's exactly what scum dorf would want us to think and there's no way to prove it (short of roleflip).
On the other hand, if you actually are the doctor, you're next to useless now that the roleblocker knows who you are...
That being said, I know I'd know if I were scum and dorf is acting scummy. Ergo, a dorf lynch is preferable to a me lynch.
Well, I'd obviously prefer not to be lynched myself. That doesn't help anyone, least of all me. Right now, it looks like I'm going to get lynched mostly by inactivity, which really sucks.Smacks quite strongly of desperation.
Zai, Mephansteras, dirtybirdy, Eduren? Any of have someone scummy enough to lynch that isn't me? At least ideas?
Leafsnail / Pandarsenic, I don't think you'll be around before the deadline and it seems like you're leading everyone around anyways. But if you have anyone other than me you'd like to lynch, I'd like to consider it.
Excellent game. Now dak, can you run one of these for people who aren't beginners but just plain suck at this game anyway (i.e., me)?