The Rules:
PMs: You may NOT PM to anyone except to me, the ICs, or from one mafia member to another. If you send a post to an IC or fellow mafia member, include me. Furthermore, ALL discussion about this game, even indirectly, can only occur in this thread.
Lastly any suggestion of breaking a rule in the main chat will be treated as the rule already broken. If you have any questions or wish to make sure of the legality of an action, PM me first.
I got an idea. One of us is probably a Cop, but can't post his findings because he'll get killed first!
Sooo, he PM's his findings, to the next person in the playerlist. That person PM's it to the next person, and so on, the last person PM's to the first, until the last person PM's it again to the Cop. Then nobody knows who the cop is, but everyone knows what he found out! The cop should watch out when he PM's, don't do it too fast or you'll give yourself away.
Of course I'm suggesting something.
Spitfire684, who amongst the current players would you rather have as a scum partner, and why?
{/quote}
Are you suggesting something? Im not sure who I would have as a scum partner (I don't even know anyone that well). You seem to be going on the offensive
Okay, it seems to me, also, that spitfire was a little bit indignant at the hunt. This may suggest that spitfire is scum, or simply that he or she is new (is he? or she? Wait, I'm just going to use he from now on, okay? It's easier).It seems that your noob hunting. Trying to get people to vote me? I have hardly played this game I hardly know what is wrong and what is right. You seem to be bandwagoning with others which are interrigating me... And btw, I am a he
But then I look like I'm bandwagoning.
For my part, Bayesian thinking tells me that a new player might be indignant, but a scum would be (or at least pretend to be). So I will guess that spitfire has a little higher chance of being scum.
But I can't vote him or you guys will think I'm scum. Oh well.
Anyway I think James had Victreebell later on, though he had Weezing at the beginning, like our friend the Master of R'lyeh suggested.
A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).
Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote. The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them. The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.
Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text. Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell. Don't ignore it: make them your target. Attack them. Tell them what bothers you about them. Push them, harass them. Tell them how scummy they are. Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:
Litia: "You bother me. Vote Dakarian!"
Dak: Meh. Why?
Litia: "Because you bother me. Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"
Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."
Litia: "You're voting for Vector. why?"
Dak: "He looked scummy.."
Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell! "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"
Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."
Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum? Being defensive? You also didn't answer my question!"
Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'. She has no hard evidence, nothing real. The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic. If you did it right, they WILL town or scum. WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self. From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth. If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.
If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:
Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence. Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives. Pull more from them. DON'T LET GO! Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY! Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.
If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time. If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4
Step 4: Final step. It's time to convince the town. Show what you have. Push the target so they show more scumminess. Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true. You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched. If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:
1. The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.
That's how a basic scumhunt is done. One last note on doubt:
Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show. If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT. If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..." you SAY "You scum! Stop being passive!!!" If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."
Doubt is something for yourself. When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up. If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure. This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here. Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.
So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it. If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know. If you wonder, accuse as if you know it. If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer. Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.
And that's scumhunting in a nutshell. Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly. Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then). If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.
If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1. Get to random voting.
Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past. Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.
It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.
Pokemon, you say?
Cthulhu, if you were a scum, which type of Pokemon would you be?
He'll come back for usss sssomeday! Sssomeday he'll come back and ussse Missssssingno to give usss all Rare Candiesss and we'll all be level 100 and he'll take usss to fight the elite four and - oh god, we're all going to die in thisss place :'(
I'd probably be a Greymon. A less-cool version of a Pokemon hiding out and pretending to be a real pokemon.
I'm probably not even a Pokemon at all, given my distaste for that particular eastern "artistic style".
Or a really ugly one. At least I think I am. Growling in a corner.
Guysss! Ssscum is clearly Meowth, Arbok, or the other dudesss.
I mean, whatever Team Rocket usssesss.
Not inherently evil, no, and you can even ussse them asss the good guy, but the only Pokemon with any sssort of evil connotationsss are the onesss that Team Rocket ussse. I think.
I really only played firssst and sssecond gen, ssso I dunno about the new onesss. But um... Victreebell, I think, wasss the one that Jamesss usssed?
Ssso thossse would be the ssscumbag ssscumkemon.
All scum would probally be shadow type pokemon (Although I can't really even remember any shadow type ones because they are hardly any). Maybe team rocket ones...
he already stated in the opening thing that your pokemon has no influence over whos scum and isnt. btw, im a nidorino, badass or what :D
I got an idea. One of us is probably a Cop, but can't post his findings because he'll get killed first!
Sooo, he PM's his findings, to the next person in the playerlist. That person PM's it to the next person, and so on, the last person PM's to the first, until the last person PM's it again to the Cop. Then nobody knows who the cop is, but everyone knows what he found out! The cop should watch out when he PM's, don't do it too fast or you'll give yourself away.
Anyway, Jesse and James used Arbok and Weezing.
The Rules:
PMs: You may NOT PM to anyone except to me, the ICs, or from one mafia member to another. If you send a post to an IC or fellow mafia member, include me. Furthermore, ALL discussion about this game, even indirectly, can only occur in this thread.
Lastly any suggestion of breaking a rule in the main chat will be treated as the rule already broken. If you have any questions or wish to make sure of the legality of an action, PM me first.
Watch yourself, Siquo.
Spitfire684, who amongst the current players would you rather have as a scum partner, and why?
I got an idea. One of us is probably a Cop, but can't post his findings because he'll get killed first!
Sooo, he PM's his findings, to the next person in the playerlist. That person PM's it to the next person, and so on, the last person PM's to the first, until the last person PM's it again to the Cop. Then nobody knows who the cop is, but everyone knows what he found out! The cop should watch out when he PM's, don't do it too fast or you'll give yourself away.
not only would that not work but PMing is only allowed between Mafia one should really read the rules of the game
either way RandomNumberGenerator which pokemon did you get and which would you want if you could make a choice
also to be more relevant who here would be your least favorite scumbuddy
Are you suggesting something? Im not sure who I would have as a scum partner (I don't even know anyone that well). You seem to be going on the offensive
Spitfire684, who amongst the current players would you rather have as a scum partner, and why?
If I had a scumpartner it would be Org. Next to him I'd look like some kind of deific logic machine and no one would suspect me. [/BEINGMEAN]
Of course I'm suggesting something.
Spitfire684, who amongst the current players would you rather have as a scum partner, and why?
{/quote}
Are you suggesting something? Im not sure who I would have as a scum partner (I don't even know anyone that well). You seem to be going on the offensive
Random Scumhunting: Where a random player is chosen, and questioned until they either drop sufficient scumtells that they are lynched for scumminess, or are left alone for more scummy people.
Going on the offensive is the way to find scum, as they win if nobody scumhunts. You seem like you don't want me on the offensive, and so I shall continue.
If you had your pick of any role listed as possibly in this game, which would it be, and why?
wouldnt that be the whole point of this game? thats obvoulsy what hes doing
Any role... I'd probally be a cop. Inspecting people is useful
Okay, it seems to me, also, that spitfire was a little bit indignant at the hunt. This may suggest that spitfire is scum, or simply that he or she is new (is he? or she? Wait, I'm just going to use he from now on, okay? It's easier).
But then I look like I'm bandwagoning.
For my part, Bayesian thinking tells me that a new player might be indignant, but a scum would be (or at least pretend to be). So I will guess that spitfire has a little higher chance of being scum.
But I can't vote him or you guys will think I'm scum. Oh well.
Anyway I think James had Victreebell later on, though he had Weezing at the beginning, like our friend the Master of R'lyeh suggested.
Additionally I don't quite understand random scumhunting. Why would you give a different answer as a scum than a townie? These questions seem to me to be fairly unrelated to the game - I mean, talking about what pokemon would be scum? It seems to me that if the scum answer from the heart, as it were, and not try to answer like a townie would answer, they won't give anything away.
Okay, it seems to me, also, that spitfire was a little bit indignant at the hunt. This may suggest that spitfire is scum, or simply that he or she is new (is he? or she? Wait, I'm just going to use he from now on, okay? It's easier).It seems that your noob hunting. Trying to get people to vote me? I have hardly played this game I hardly know what is wrong and what is right. You seem to be bandwagoning with others which are interrigating me... And btw, I am a he
But then I look like I'm bandwagoning.
For my part, Bayesian thinking tells me that a new player might be indignant, but a scum would be (or at least pretend to be). So I will guess that spitfire has a little higher chance of being scum.
But I can't vote him or you guys will think I'm scum. Oh well.
Anyway I think James had Victreebell later on, though he had Weezing at the beginning, like our friend the Master of R'lyeh suggested.
Silly Cheddarius, only guys have female animu characters for their avatars.
Looking for scumtells, them pointing them out often makes scum very nervous.
Unvote. I'm not going to scare a new forum member away by tunneling you on day 1, even if you are scum.
Cheddarius, you seem intent on not doing things that would make you look like scum. Survivalism is a scum trait. Why aren't you scum hunting?
Cheddarius, you seem intent on not doing things that would make you look like scum. Survivalism is a scum trait. Why aren't you scum hunting?Sssurvivalisssm may be a ssscum trait. However, it's alssso a player trait (not counting Jessster). I'm not going to try to help you guysss win if it meansss I'm going to die, dude. I merely voiced my opinionsss; I'm trying to help, but not if it meansss you're going to lynch me.
I got an idea. One of us is probably a Cop, but can't post his findings because he'll get killed first!Siquo, have you ever played Telephone? Where one person says something to the next, going down the line, until it reaches the starer and is invariably different from the original message? Well, what you just proposed is an excellent opportunity for the scum to use this to their advantage.
Sooo, he PM's his findings, to the next person in the playerlist. That person PM's it to the next person, and so on, the last person PM's to the first, until the last person PM's it again to the Cop. Then nobody knows who the cop is, but everyone knows what he found out! The cop should watch out when he PM's, don't do it too fast or you'll give yourself away.
either way RandomNumberGenerator which pokemon did you get and which would you want if you could make a choiceHmm... well since it's not a quote of the PM, I guess it's allowed. I'm a Lapras, and I get to sing at people. I sing at you TEM.
also to be more relevant who here would be your least favorite scumbuddy
Ho ho ho! What an interesssting game thisss hasss turned out to be.
I picked the firssst name I sssaw that had not posssted, if you mussst know.
ToonyMan, it seems as if I am still doomed to death, though I tried to recover by following your advice. If I should return... think better of me, Father.
1. Picking names out of a system is not cool. Voting with reasons is cool.1. Eh? I thought I was supposed to pick people who had not posted and scumhunt them... that's what other people did, and what I did just now.
2. Defeatism is a no no. The day is new, go do stuff instead of letting scum bandwagon you.
1. Anybody can follow a system, you can't read people that way. A scum move.1. Picking names out of a system is not cool. Voting with reasons is cool.1. Eh? I thought I was supposed to pick people who had not posted and scumhunt them... that's what other people did, and what I did just now.
2. Defeatism is a no no. The day is new, go do stuff instead of letting scum bandwagon you.
2. Like what? I'm scumhunting, that counts as doing stuff, right?
I thought we were supposed to pick random people who hadn't talked and scumhunt them, right? Hence random scumhunting?A RANDOM one, not one picked from a system.
What kind of person would you suggest I scumhunt, then?
I thought we were supposed to pick random people who hadn't talked and scumhunt them, right? Hence random scumhunting?
What kind of person would you suggest I scumhunt, then?
We're supposed to do that, though, right? Lurking is bad, right?
Yes, that seems fairly probable, if not certain. [that RNG is scum]
If I can do some noob ICing?
What cheddarius did there is called WIFOM, it stands for Wine in Front of Me, which is pretty much an infinte of,Sure. What is Wine In Front Of Me where there is an infinte of?
And the whole "you aren't off my lists" thing is a bit :/Oh yes, it's very much :/
NOOB QUESTION ALERT!It is giving advice I guess.
And this is a beginners mafia so I'm not afraid to ask:If I can do some noob ICing?
Sure. What is IC'ing?
Sorry I typed that in a rush. It is basicly where you think hmmmm... He is scum becuase he did blah blah. And then think: but what if thats what they want me to think? But what if that's what they want me to think?QuoteWhat cheddarius did there is called WIFOM, it stands for Wine in Front of Me, which is pretty much an infinte of,Sure. What is Wine In Front Of Me where there is an infinte of?
I meant to say, it is slightly scummish becuase you are applying a sort of fake pressure. You can say its pressure but really it's not. You should be pushing. Say: Why did you do that? If you are unsatisfied with the answer follow it up.QuoteAnd the whole "you aren't off my lists" thing is a bit :/Oh yes, it's very much :/
... What is :/?
Halmie! I am totes agressing on Alsark! I talked about it at least three times already, I'm not being defensive. Geez.
And nobody is friggin' here anyway, so it's not like we could scumhunt. We might as well have a nice little talk, the game isn't everything.
You feel that it is almost certain that RNG is scum, yet are not voting for him. What is your explanation for this?I didn't say almost certain. I said fairly probable. I don't mean it's over 50%, just that it's a good lead; but I still want to take a look at Alsark, and clearly if I had voted him everyone would have voted me for bandwagonning. I mean, even when I'm taking the not-scummy route, I still get marked as scum; taking the scummy route would have been a death sentence. And I don't want that.
You dug a nice deep pit for yourself with that WIFOM while I was sleeping, scum. Now, why are you hiding what your pokemon type is, unless you feel that it is a scum-type, and will give you away?
Second:Yes, that seems fairly probable, if not certain. [that RNG is scum]
You feel that it is almost certain that RNG is scum, yet are not voting for him. What is your explanation for this?
I cannot answer that question, but I have something to point out:
FoS. The Finger of Suspicion is used to say "I'm onto your scumminess, but am voting somebody else right now." On these forums, it is usually somebody's name colored blue. It probably would have been better to use then "You aren't off my lists." Especially since everybody should remain on your list of possibly-scum until you have a very good reason for thinking they're town.
Cheddarius, right now you're swimming in quicksand: all posts you made so far made you sink deeper into scumminess....and? Any advice, then? How could I show I'm not scum?
Hmmm. So... now what? I get lynched, or is there some way I can redeem myself and reduce my scumminess?Keep on scumhunting. Remember if you show that someone else is more scummy than you, they wont vote for you. Even if you still get lynched. The win is still in the team. So keep scumhunting.
You saw nothing.You seem to be learning fast.
:hand waves:
You saw nothing.These are not the droids we're looking for. :-X
:hand waves:
Hmm, doubting between Cheddarius and Randomnumbergenerator here.
But to answer the questions, and this is now hypothetical, sorry about breaking the rule earlier, we're not going to do this: When the round-robin was complete, we would all post the name we were given, but I would not tell anyone that until the round was complete. The scum would be exposed if they changed the name :)
But there was another thing to this.
Why do I vote RNG? Because I actually had an almost game-breaking good idea even if it was illegal. I scared the scum. The scum wants to get rid of me. So even if I die tonight, I'll take one of them with me. RNG, logic dictates: you're scum.
How will you frame him? Me dying (dieing? dyeing?) at night is no real proof of my accusation being right. Or wrong. Everything could be a spoof or a hoax.
Your "what if for example" came quickly and naturally, though. You're still on my list as well. Also, you post and talk a LOT here. People with things to hide usually talk a lot.
Yes, that seems fairly probable, if not certain.Cheddarius, you're making this way more complicated than it needs to be, and spreading WIFOM around like crazy. Any particular reason for this?
Also, I'm awaiting his defense. Well?
I've found people with things to hide usually try to stay hidden in the shadows(not lurking, just posting enough to get by).Which would be a stupid thing to do, if everyone knows that. WIFOM again.
I know, I know, just making sure you did have a chance to defend. Which you did, scummily. My vote stands.Oh really? How so? I think you're just looking for a scapegoat after your WIFOM plan failed.
I've found people with things to hide usually try to stay hidden in the shadows(not lurking, just posting enough to get by).Which would be a stupid thing to do, if everyone knows that. WIFOM again.
Yes, but what if, for example, I am the scum, and I kill you tonight in order to frame RNG?
My plan certainly was not WIFOM, since I can safely assume you nor anyone else knew it was a double trap in and of itself.As I said earlier, I think you're grasping at straws now. Your plan to spread WIFOM failed, and you're looking for a scapegoat... and I'm your only target, since I'm the only one who called you out on it.
It was a form of plan however. Any kind of systematic plan or attempt at organisation is not in the benefit of scum.Are you kidding me? Organization is a huge benefit to scum, because they can easily manipulate it to get the desired results. Just like what you're trying to do now with the whole "double trap" thing.
Beginners Mafia 7? Interesting... It's nice to see new players in b12...
Dakarian... You and I need to have a serious discussion about mafia theory... :-X
Cheddarius, you're making this way more complicated than it needs to be, and spreading WIFOM around like crazy. Any particular reason for this?Well, his argument sounded good. So I agreed with him. But obviously I'm not sure, because you might have voted him for legitimate reasons. I intend no offense, but I don't see what's so difficult to understand about my actions. If I have spread WIFOM, it's not on purpose; kindly point out such instances and I will explain them.
Quoting and Editing: Do NOT quote my PM text and do NOT edit your posts (you can double post if you need to).
Alsark responded to his prod just before I replaced him, so he's still in. Barely. I expect you to post a lot Alsark, and make up for your absence day 1 over the extended christmas day!
Alsark, get talking when you're back. Which of the players who are in the game would you rather have as a scumbuddy, and why?
I vote for, I dunno, Alsssark because he hasn't posssted yet. Alsssark, if you played Pokemon generation one, which ssstarter pokemon would you pick and why?
And still my gut tells me randomnumbergenerator is scum. The evasiveness and turning when attacked has me still convinced.Evasiveness? Turning when attacked? Sure you're not thinking of yourself? I believe that's what you've been doing Siquo. Right before the vote you switched to Cheddarius, who had more votes than I did. Now that we have more time again, you're back onto me, without any reason.
I'm reasonably certain either Siquo or Cheddarius are mafia; and it is unlikely that they both are (given Siquo's switch). Fortunately, we have a mislynch, so if one of them flips town we can just lynch the other and be almost guaranteed to net a mafia.
Three things.
1. Never say "what if", it's just asking for WIFOM. Town or Mafia wise.
2. Don't tunnel on two "suspects" where one of them MUST be scum. You get screwed later on, always.
3. Lurkers are your enemies.
Evasiveness? Turning when attacked? Sure you're not thinking of yourself? I believe that's what you've been doing Siquo. Right before the vote you switched to Cheddarius, who had more votes than I did. Now that we have more time again, you're back onto me, without any reason.My voteswitch was logical, it saved the town from hanging an innocent. Don't worrry, Cheddarius is still on my list, and countering with 'no, you must be scum!' is a scummy defense.
Well then, a tactical move. Since I am certain I am town, and halfway certain Cheddarius is scum, and not be able to post until tomorrow, I serve the town cause better by staying alive. Unvote, and vote Cheddarius.
In my defense: The WIFOM I spread was before I was even told what it is. I was merely analyzing the gameplay of a game I never (that one time didnt really count) played before.
My voteswitch was logical, it saved the town from hanging an innocent. Don't worrry, Cheddarius is still on my list, and countering with 'no, you must be scum!' is a scummy defense.
True, but even then, no lynch is better than a mislynch. And if I am 100% sure that a lynch is going to be a mislynch, I might as well block it.
A mislynch is helping scum. Mislynching ten times will lose town the game. I just bought everyone an extra turn.
True, but even then, no lynch is better than a mislynch. And if I am 100% sure that a lynch is going to be a mislynch, I might as well block it.
A mislynch is helping scum. Mislynching ten times will lose town the game. I just bought everyone an extra turn.
So you voted for another person to save your own hide? That seems like a very scummy thing to do. As mentioned earlier several times in the thread, the goal of the town isn't to survive; it's to hunt scum. If you really are innocent, then your death would have proved it, but instead you risked lynching another. Siquo, you've made several bad choices in this game; this last one was your worst.Evasiveness? Turning when attacked? Sure you're not thinking of yourself? I believe that's what you've been doing Siquo. Right before the vote you switched to Cheddarius, who had more votes than I did. Now that we have more time again, you're back onto me, without any reason.My voteswitch was logical, it saved the town from hanging an innocent. Don't worrry, Cheddarius is still on my list, and countering with 'no, you must be scum!' is a scummy defense.
Alsark, Toonyman, your logic eludes me. Killing townsmen helps the town? I insist my life is worth so much because scum wins as soon as they outnumber town, so every towny is valuable. Especially those you know 100% to be town. Of that fact I can only be certain of one person right now.Oh ho ho, see what you are doing? "Killing townsmen helps the town?" You see this? This a wrong wrong wrong. First off, you are doing a straw man (never used the term, but I think it fits here), you are saying we WILL lynch a townie, but this is not true! Town can only kill people with a majority lynch, if they don't use it, that is an Automatic lose. Also, I'm not a player. :V
Really, now EVERYONE sounds like scum to me. I don't think I'll ever get this game. Go ahead,Paranoia, yes. Telling people to lynch you, no.suelynch me.
First off, you are doing a straw man (never used the term, but I think it fits here), you are saying we WILL lynch a townie, but this is not true! Town can only kill people with a majority lynch, if they don't use it, that is an Automatic lose. Also, I'm not a player. :VI'm saying they WOULD have lynched a townie. How does lynching real innocent townies lead to an automatic lose? Now, one real towny is dead, so scum gains one point. Otherwise, two would be dead, and scum gains two points.
Yes, RNG, I know you'd really like me to go away, since I'm the only one who is on to you ;D
Alsark, Toonyman, your logic eludes me. Killing townsmen helps the town? I insist my life is worth so much because scum wins as soon as they outnumber town, so every towny is valuable. Especially those you know 100% to be town. Of that fact I can only be certain of one person right now.
Really, now EVERYONE sounds like scum to me. I don't think I'll ever get this game. Go ahead,suelynch me.
Now you can see for yourself what I mean. In the first chart we get to lynch three times, two of which are "chances of failure". In the second chart, which is what you have forced us into, we get to lynch only three times, with only one "chance of failure". So can you see why I am saying what you've done is bad if you're a vanilla townie?Well, only for everyone who still believes me to be scum. Really, right now you could pretend you have had a mislynch, and killed an innocent townie.
But eh, I feel that he is just stupid town, Though I still want to get rid of him.
CheddirusNO.
But eh, I feel that he is just stupid town, Though I still want to get rid of him.Right... This game starts to confuse me more and more. Can anyone explain this logic?
No, if you'd read back he's been on my list for a long time.
So, I can unvote, die, and cost you a day, or keep my vote and hope someone else votes for either of us.
Well then, unvote, RandomNumberGenerator again.
I'm probably going to die, and town is going to lose, but if that's how we apparently should play the game...
Upon deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If there is a tie, there will be no lynch.
Oh and Unvote, and vote Cheddarius again. This time for real.
Well then, unvote, RandomNumberGenerator again.Wha? I really have no idea what you're trying to do at this point.
Wha? I really have no idea what you're trying to do at this point.Reasserting that you are scum, as a last token of goodwill towards man, as I nobly walk, head held high, towards the gallows to be hanged.
However, since you seem to think you can ID scum easily enough, please go through the player list, and explain how you feel about each person (Scum/town).
01. spitfire684
02. Cthulhu
03. Alsark
04. MagmaDeath
05. Siquo
06. theinnermonk
07. Cheddarius
08. Nirur Torir
09. RandomNumberGenerator
Halmie, Spitfire, and theevilmonk have all been prodded.
No, if you'd read back he's been on my list for a long time.
So, I can unvote, die, and cost you a day, or keep my vote and hope someone else votes for either of us.
Well then, unvote, RandomNumberGenerator again.
I'm probably going to die, and town is going to lose, but if that's how we apparently should play the game...
07. Cheddarius Very probably scum. Very active for a little while, until he's targeted, and then suddenly hardly posts anymore.This irks me. If you'll just take a look at my posts, you'll see that my post volume is not related to this game. You accused me of being too active, and I refuted that by showing that I was active universally and not just in this game or even in just Mafia. Now you're accusing me again of that, and of suddenly disappearing - and yeah, I did, but not because I was targeted. I stopped posting, on the entire board, for a bit. Would I stop posting on the entire board just to disguise disappearing on Mafia? Maybe. But don't ignore the fact that maybe, just maybe, it was a friggin' coincidence, yeah?
No, if you'd read back he's been on my list for a long time.Siquo, NEVER give up. There is always hope for the town, untill the end.
So, I can unvote, die, and cost you a day, or keep my vote and hope someone else votes for either of us.
Well then, unvote, RandomNumberGenerator again.
I'm probably going to die, and town is going to lose, but if that's how we apparently should play the game...
Look, everyone just vote for either one or I'll get blamed for it again.
Defeatism is a scumtell? So is trying to keep alive, apparently. Currently I'm reading Catch-22 for the first time. And experiencing it :D
Nirur:
01. spitfire684 Low profile, bit bandwagoning, could very well be scum but my feeling says no
02. Cthulhu Probably scum
03. Alsark Probably scum but more likely: not that intelligent
04. MagmaDeath Wants to lynch a towny even though he feels it is a towny. Weird. But if he was scum, he's pretending really well to be stupid.
05. Siquo Definitely Town. Not that good of a player and makes bad decisions based on logic. Which only work if the rest does. WIFOM gets to his head.
06. theevilmonk Hmmm. Probably scum. Quite probable even; low profile and bandwagoning.
07. Cheddarius Very probably scum. Very active for a little while, until he's targeted, and then suddenly hardly posts anymore.
08. Nirur Torir Probably scum. If not, should not trust his gut feelings.
09. RandomNumberGenerator Scum. For reasons mentioned earlier.
UnvoteEr, what were said questions?
Well now, Cheddarius still hasn't responded to any of the questions directed at him.
After this game imma quit trying to play and understand Mafia, im just not good at remembering what has happened and analyzing peoples behaviours and should just quit trying.
either way unvote
Town may mislynch one more time before lylo happens.
Wait until lylo, which is the next day.I love how you assume we'll mislynch today. Have you no faith in us? :'(
(worth even less because there's a godfather)
Keep in mind that innocent reports are do not necessarily create clears because of the presence of the godfather role.I guess I misinterpreted this as there being a godfather role, not there possibly being a godfather role.
Scum results are 100% accurate and should be posted NOW.Yeah, scum results are super fly. If you have at least 1 scum report, unless there's some weird circumstance like you're almost certain you can get another scum report tomorrow, it's a good idea to claim...
Town results are useless with the possibility of godfather.
Until we see a godfather roleflip(which may be never, if there isn't one), town results ARE 100% useless.Scum results are 100% accurate and should be posted NOW.Yeah, scum results are super fly. If you have at least 1 scum report, unless there's some weird circumstance like you're almost certain you can get another scum report tomorrow, it's a good idea to claim...
Town results are useless with the possibility of godfather.
But I wouldn't say town results are useless. If you have several town results, it might not be certain but it's definitely useful.
Like I said, I think cop-claim could be useful, but not now when we have so much to gain by waiting one more day and so little to lose (because we still have 5 town, so the cop has a low chance to get killed).
The only problem is confirming the cop... that's a real snag.
Wait, how about this? Everyone claims two people who are innocent. You have a pretty good chance of getting it right (7/12 if I've done this correctly; 7/9 * 6/8), so scum can't figure out who's cop. Whoever is the cop gives his or her results from the past two nights (if he or she has gotten a scum result, like ToonyMan said, he or she should claim). Then, in the event that the cop is killed by the mafia, we'll be able to have two people who are probably clean, which will be great in lylo (if they're still alive by then, as is probable). However, this comes with a pretty hefty price. We have 5 townies. 5*(7/12)=about 3 people, on average, will get it right. 2 people will miss, and Mafia will know that they are not cops (we have an opportunity to WIFOM the Mafia here! Cop could claim someone was clean who he or she had not actually investigated, and maybe win a free night to investigate without getting killed! o/) This narrows the slim 1/5th chance of copdeath to a much scarier 1/3 chance...
I don't have time to do a proper re-read of the thread right now, since my computer has become highly unstable and could crash at any time, so it's time for random questions.
Alsark, not only are you not trying to scumhunt, you claimed to be experienced earlier and I have seen you do little, but I believe trying to get the cop to out himself/herself to be a scummy thing to do. If there is a cop, he'd become an easy target for tonight and probably give no useful information. Had he/she found a scum, he/she would probably have already said something by now. If there is no cop, then a scum could claim it and claim their ally as being town - A massive increase in confusion levels. So, I ask you to give your views on who you think is scummy, and why.
You dug a nice deep pit for yourself with that WIFOM while I was sleeping, scum. Now, why are you hiding what your pokemon type is, unless you feel that it is a scum-type, and will give you away?
Now we have one mislynch, instead of two.
Siquo-Cheddarius, theevilmonk, Randomnumbergenerator
Cheddarius-spitfire684, Magmadeath, Nirur Torir, Alsark
Randomnumbergenerator-Siquo
- This is for every single living player here: How much have each of you played mafia? I would like to get a general level of experience from everybody here. Unfortunately, with a mafia IC lack of skill will not be entirely evident since even unskilled mafia can gain advice, but I still believe that this is a point worth knowing.
- Another question for every player here: Provide your primary and secondary suspects and explain why.
- Nirur Tiror: Why all of the silly questions early on in the game? It almost seems like an attempt to scumhunt without actually scumhunting because the answers don't actually provide us with any real kind of information.
- Nirur Tiror: Second question. How did you know there were only two mafia before this fact was ever announced? Refer to my quoted sentence above to see what I'm referring to. Most rounds with nine players I have played with have had three mafia. The "norm" for mafia to town ratio is either 1:3 or 1:4 (or somewhere in between), but why did you assume that there had to be two mafia?
- This is for every single living player here: How much have each of you played mafia? I would like to get a general level of experience from everybody here. Unfortunately, with a mafia IC lack of skill will not be entirely evident since even unskilled mafia can gain advice, but I still believe that this is a point worth knowing.I've played 3 games so far, this will be my fourth. The first was Beginner's Mafia 5, second was Wizard Duel, third was Christmas Mafia, which I was recently killed in. All of them have been on this forum.
- Another question for every player here: Provide your primary and secondary suspects and explain why.Primary: MagmaDeath as he has flipped votes several times while contributing relatively little to scumhunting. There was also that false chart he posted, though that could have been an honest mistake... however, as he has yet to answer any of the questions posed to him, so I'm still very suspicious.
- This is for every single living player here: How much have each of you played mafia? I would like to get a general level of experience from everybody here. Unfortunately, with a mafia IC lack of skill will not be entirely evident since even unskilled mafia can gain advice, but I still believe that this is a point worth knowing.This is my first forum mafia game, but I have played mafia on chats before.
- Another question for every player here: Provide your primary and secondary suspects and explain why.1st Would probally be Cheddarious, I have suspected him from quite early on because of his jokes and vote switching and trying to throw us off subject.
Secondary: You, Alsark. For the first part of this game, you have been very quiet and inobtrusive... now you come out of no-where and start delivering a barrage of questions to everyone. You could have been waiting to gauge people's reactions before coming out into the open, so you would have a good foothold on the game.
If it has appeared i was lurking im sorry. Now that christmas and new year time is passing I can go on more. Unfortunately my laptop fan has broken down and im getting it repaired on the 4th and I don't know when I will get it back. I might be able to use an old computer however. Also we would need to discuss more if we have any hope in finding scum.
Cheddarius - The reason I have had my vote on you all game is because you were switching your vote around so much - generally to whoever seemed like the easiest target.QuoteOkay first I voted for TEM randomly, as instructed. So that doesn't seem suspicious to me.
Then I voted for Spitfire, because it seemed to me that he was being contrary to town strategy (voting to scumhunt) and instead using scum strategy (voting to lynch). Doesn't seem suspicious either, and how he's an easy target is not, to me, apparent.
Then I switched to you, my dear lad, because Toony told me to (sort of).
Then I voted Halmie because he was the only one to talk to, except he wasn't actually playing so ignore that.
Then I left the forum for quite a while.
When I came back, I found Siquo accusing me of lurking and such and it annoyed me, and also it seemed that he ignored my rebuttal which sounds a little scummy. So I voted him.
I have not voted anyone since.
The only person who I have voted who has been an "easy target" - having other votes - is Siquo, I think. So really, only 1/3... but if you could provide other examples I'll gladly discuss those.Town results ARE 100% useless.Why? You could be wrong on a townie being a townie and not a godfather, but the chances are slim. You may not know whether someone is a townie for sure, but you know that he's probably a townie (5/6, I think), and that to me is pretty useful.I fail to see how that would be of any benefit to us.Well, it's useful only if townie reports are useful - addressed above.
I still have a problem, guys - how can we get a decent copclaim without risking scumclaim too much?
Cheddarius - The reason I have had my vote on you all game is because you were switching your vote around so much - generally to whoever seemed like the easiest target.Okay first I voted for TEM randomly, as instructed. So that doesn't seem suspicious to me.
Town results ARE 100% useless.Why? You could be wrong on a townie being a townie and not a godfather, but the chances are slim. You may not know whether someone is a townie for sure, but you know that he's probably a townie (5/6, I think), and that to me is pretty useful.
I fail to see how that would be of any benefit to us.Well, it's useful only if townie reports are useful - addressed above.
Because, getting a Town result does not clear anybody of anything. If there is a Godfather, only one person will turn up scum, so if we get a town result - well we know it's not them, great. But they could still be a godfather.Town results ARE 100% useless.Why? You could be wrong on a townie being a townie and not a godfather, but the chances are slim. You may not know whether someone is a townie for sure, but you know that he's probably a townie (5/6, I think), and that to me is pretty useful.
And if you do get 6 results of town, you know that the remaining person is scum, which is definitely not useless.
You're also claiming that even a town result is useful. In your eyes. Which, to me, indicates that you're a godfather. A godfather would love to be confirmed as townie by the cop.Town results ARE 100% useless.Why? You could be wrong on a townie being a townie and not a godfather, but the chances are slim. You may not know whether someone is a townie for sure, but you know that he's probably a townie (5/6, I think), and that to me is pretty useful.
Looks like I'm the only one who's voted today. Day ends in around 30 hours.
Okay Magma, I'm a little curious about you. First you voted for Siquo, then you voted for Cheddarius the next round, when Siquo was about to be lynched. We all know Siquo was killed then. Now you're not voting for Cheddarius, but are discounting him saying he feels like town. Care to elaborate on your reasoning a bit more?I'm not voting for Cheddarius, as with his obsession with cops, he probably is one.
He's basically just stated he is a cop right there.
I still have a problem, guys - how can we get a decent copclaim without risking scumclaim too much?
The code thing was strange, pointless, and off-topic, yet you were encouraging us to try to waste time with it.Er, what code thing?
You're also claiming that even a town result is useful. In your eyes. Which, to me, indicates that you're a godfather. A godfather would love to be confirmed as townie by the cop.It is useful. Just look at the arguments I've put forward. You can't say "Oh, a Mafia would say that 1+1=2, therefore you are Mafia", because I have shown repeatedly how a town result, although it would be pretty dumb, is not completely useless.
The code thing was strange, pointless, and off-topic, yet you were encouraging us to try to waste time with it.Er, what code thing?You're also claiming that even a town result is useful. In your eyes. Which, to me, indicates that you're a godfather. A godfather would love to be confirmed as townie by the cop.It is useful. Just look at the arguments I've put forward. You can't say "Oh, a Mafia would say that 1+1=2, therefore you are Mafia", because I have shown repeatedly how a town result, although it would be pretty dumb, is not completely useless.
Though again, it lowers suspicion very little (from 5/7 town to 6/7 town) and I agree that cop should only claim if he/she gets a scum report. So the point is basically moot.
Here is the code.
x gkc fc ldi msyan bm lvmjr usvpakf rcwqm huph dlq gpja sr cirhhssz wf ivo qmb ppzvip gcxhpmds ctfssp wassoh u gupzv qmyr ivsw ocqt o vmfhyt skwuse ic mvmqx rcwqm huph isg ann gegosfhtepxm pphml fvvh akr ivbb w rehs pddzip skrzkqmhvdb zsubg x grexz qd hrme hugcekt ifxbq xts sxtdl xsgisb sr hut ovttooth yzqfzjqr gaazp oc mf wf ivo qagg rcwqabyn icip zrihov bsexcn ladruivpk huxg gmxz utzz cai gd tsrp chi kref hut qsttse zsi me drgwyh u oyhc clmzy vwfi kch p vsrf znisb wqavrcvsz huph dlq qvevov ug gws csooyasn yzpetouenzr rwzlqf pdawe fvr kwqizset qsttse esbmar ncr xsi w zjgd ka qbbak qk znsg zidwbs tkvqkraz oboznbodmab cdwxx
Oh frig, sorry for editing
Indeed. It is... unbreakable.
Or is it?
I refuse to explain, my dear sir.
Okay Magma, I'm a little curious about you. First you voted for Siquo, then you voted for Cheddarius the next round, when Siquo was about to be lynched. We all know Siquo was killed then. Now you're not voting for Cheddarius, but are discounting him saying he feels like town. Care to elaborate on your reasoning a bit more?I'm not voting for Cheddarius, as with his obsession with cops, he probably is one.He's basically just stated he is a cop right there.
I still have a problem, guys - how can we get a decent copclaim without risking scumclaim too much?
Nirur Torir, RandomNumberGenerator , why are you two convinced there is a godfather?
Is it because one of you is one?
Also, RNG. Siquo flipped town, right? And you accuse Magmadeath for not voting for him? This logic seems flawed to me.I was more interested in why both times he voted for the second most likely lynch. Remember, we've have two no-lynches so far, which has been very beneficial to the scum.
Nirur Torir, RandomNumberGenerator , why are you two convinced there is a godfather?I'm far from convinced that there is a godfather. There is a possibility that there are no power roles in this game at all, though I doubt that. However, as long as the possibility exists, any cop read with a town result could still be a godfather.
Is it because one of you is one?
Also, RNG. Siquo flipped town, right? And you accuse Magmadeath for not voting for him? This logic seems flawed to me.Scum know who town are and often avoid getting townie blood on their hands.
Also, RNG. Siquo flipped town, right? And you accuse Magmadeath for not voting for him? This logic seems flawed to me.Scum know who town are and often avoid getting townie blood on their hands.
Okay, I take that back, then.
Okay, I take that back, then.
This comes off as a bit conflict-avoiding to me, which the mafia want to do.
Yes, he did basically copclaim right there. I ask you, Magma: Do you trust him? Why or why not? It looks to me like you're buddying up.Magma, you're avoiding my question while trying to push suspicion onto other people. Stop stalling and answer it.
Jokes Randomnumbergenerator Are very scummy. We don't joke, we are trying to find a mafia. And we don't want to cause more WIFOMOkay, I take that back, then.
This comes off as a bit conflict-avoiding to me, which the mafia want to do.
Eh. I posted a joke, which was apparently in bad form. I didn't realize that it would cause WIFOM, so when that was pointed out I took it back.
Halmie stop lurking around, stat contributing more.
Well, RandomnumbergeneratorAny particular reason you think I'm scum other than relying on a hunch? Or are you just looking for an easy lynch? You still seem suspicious to me MagmaDeath, but right now I'm more concerned about:
As I think I've stated before, I got newbie town vibes from Siquo on day two.
That is why I switched my vote to Cheddarius. Now today, Cheddarius has basicly stated he is a cop, and yet Nirur Torir is still pushing a lynch on him. Why?
I suspect both of you are scum, but a lynch on RNG is better than no lynch, especially now.
Jokes Randomnumbergenerator Are very scummy. We don't joke, we are trying to find a mafia. And we don't want to cause more WIFOMOkay, I take that back, then.
This comes off as a bit conflict-avoiding to me, which the mafia want to do.
Eh. I posted a joke, which was apparently in bad form. I didn't realize that it would cause WIFOM, so when that was pointed out I took it back.
If it has appeared i was lurking im sorry. Now that christmas and new year time is passing I can go on more. Unfortunately my laptop fan has broken down and im getting it repaired on the 4th and I don't know when I will get it back. I might be able to use an old computer however. Also we would need to discuss more if we have any hope in finding scum.
We can't really keep doing no lynches... although it does give us a better idea about who the mafia could be.. now that the suspected squio is clearYet once again, no actually discussion following them... And something else that struck me as odd:
It seems that your noob hunting. Trying to get people to vote me? I have hardly played this game I hardly know what is wrong and what is right. You seem to be bandwagoning with others which are interrigating me... And btw, I am a he
Im going to be off for today.So bandwagoning is only okay when you're the one doing it?
At the moment I think Cheddarius is scum. It seems hes bandwagoning alot when I was being interrigated, agreeing when someone said something bad about me and trying to develop on it. And btw I am not bandwagoning, I suggested it before anyone else.
Players:
01. spitfire684
02.Cthulhu- Townie
03. Alsark
04. MagmaDeath
05.Siquo- Townie
06. theinnermonk
07. Cheddarius
08. Nirur Torir
09.RandomNumberGenerator- Mafia Roleblocker
I am a cop. Spitfire, theevilmonk, and magmadeath were all shown to me, in that order, as town.Nir seems to be on my list too, looking back, RNG attacked almost everyone APART from Nir. It is possible that Nir was RNG's scum buddy. But still Cheddar, there is a slight possibility that you may be mafia pretending to be a cop. Although I am not sure yet, more questions need to be answered.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to find scum before my death (as scum will kill me tonight). My utmost apologies.
I don't know why I wasn't NK'ed... maybe since I've been acting crazy all game, so scum weren't sure?
Nir, what are your questions?
The code. Explain what was up with that. Explain why you "forgot" about it. Then explain where you were before the end of day 3. Finally, explain why you're convinced that you won't find the scum by regular scumhunting today.The code thing was strange, pointless, and off-topic, yet you were encouraging us to try to waste time with it.Er, what code thing?You're also claiming that even a town result is useful. In your eyes. Which, to me, indicates that you're a godfather. A godfather would love to be confirmed as townie by the cop.It is useful. Just look at the arguments I've put forward. You can't say "Oh, a Mafia would say that 1+1=2, therefore you are Mafia", because I have shown repeatedly how a town result, although it would be pretty dumb, is not completely useless.
Though again, it lowers suspicion very little (from 5/7 town to 6/7 town) and I agree that cop should only claim if he/she gets a scum report. So the point is basically moot.Here is the code.
x gkc fc ldi msyan bm lvmjr usvpakf rcwqm huph dlq gpja sr cirhhssz wf ivo qmb ppzvip gcxhpmds ctfssp wassoh u gupzv qmyr ivsw ocqt o vmfhyt skwuse ic mvmqx rcwqm huph isg ann gegosfhtepxm pphml fvvh akr ivbb w rehs pddzip skrzkqmhvdb zsubg x grexz qd hrme hugcekt ifxbq xts sxtdl xsgisb sr hut ovttooth yzqfzjqr gaazp oc mf wf ivo qagg rcwqabyn icip zrihov bsexcn ladruivpk huxg gmxz utzz cai gd tsrp chi kref hut qsttse zsi me drgwyh u oyhc clmzy vwfi kch p vsrf znisb wqavrcvsz huph dlq qvevov ug gws csooyasn yzpetouenzr rwzlqf pdawe fvr kwqizset qsttse esbmar ncr xsi w zjgd ka qbbak qk znsg zidwbs tkvqkraz oboznbodmab cdwxx
Oh frig, sorry for editingIndeed. It is... unbreakable.
Or is it?I refuse to explain, my dear sir.
That code?
<Too lazy to break up quotes right now. See the second part of the first quote.> So, in the same sentence, you both claim that a town result is useful, but not very. After trying to prove it was useful.
I am a cop. Spitfire, theevilmonk, and magmadeath were all shown to me, in that order, as town.Now the town has to decide if Cheddarius is fakeclaiming. If he isn't Nirur Torir is scum becuase Ched said he cleared the other 3. So if there is only one mafia role.
Shift of suspision?I suspect it's tied to my attack on Cheddarius. Either he is the scum, and didn't want the suspicion of killing me while I was attacking him, or the scum was hoping I would continue trying to destroy him. There's always tonight for them to kill me.
I still think he's a cop, but a lynch on him would make us SURE of that, elimination the WIFOM at lylo. Nirur Torir you are STILL the scummiest to me, and
I'm wondering why you aren't dead, as you've "Scumhunted" FAR more than Alsark.
Confirming a cop would probably be the best thing to do today, but I'm also willing to lynch you, if you keep spewing WIFOM.WIFOM? You mean answering your question about trying to analyze the Mafia's actions? I really love the way you asked a question that begs a WIFOMy answer, then accuse me of spewing WIFOM.
Why do you believe they saw you as more of a threat?Please quote where I said I was more of a threat.
Finally, explain why you're convinced that you won't find the scum by regular scumhunting today.
I didn't think of that. If we do find the scum today, though, you're right; I'll live.You misread the question. Why did you bring you not dying into it?
Also,That's not nice. It's cold in here.
MagmaDeath has used Splash! Nirur Torir is now soaked!
So you're saying that killing you would lay suspesion on him?Shift of suspision?I suspect it's tied to my attack on Cheddarius. Either he is the scum, and didn't want the suspicion of killing me while I was attacking him, or the scum was hoping I would continue trying to destroy him. There's always tonight for them to kill me.
I still think he's a cop, but a lynch on him would make us SURE of that, elimination the WIFOM at lylo. Nirur Torir you are STILL the scummiest to me, and
I'm wondering why you aren't dead, as you've "Scumhunted" FAR more than Alsark.
4) They were counting on me to continue attacking him. If he flips town, then it would be easy to point a finger at me for going after the obvious cop.QuoteConfirming a cop would probably be the best thing to do today, but I'm also willing to lynch you, if you keep spewing WIFOM.WIFOM? You mean answering your question about trying to analyze the Mafia's actions? I really love the way you asked a question that begs a WIFOMy answer, then accuse me of spewing WIFOM.
You said Alsark was more of a threat than Cheddarius, Which implys that you know there is a godfather, making the cop useless.QuoteWhy do you believe they saw you as more of a threat?Please quote where I said I was more of a threat.
Or we could lynch him TODAY, see that he is a cop, then lynch you.Quote from: meFinally, explain why you're convinced that you won't find the scum by regular scumhunting today.Quote from: CheddariusI didn't think of that. If we do find the scum today, though, you're right; I'll live.You misread the question. Why did you bring you not dying into it?
I do find it interesting that you just so happened to investigate all living players besides myself. Let me guess: You get me killed by process of elimination, then claim there was a godfather to try to keep yourself alive at LyLo. That's a very dangerous game.
So you're saying that killing you would lay suspicion on him?Yes. If somebody is intently attacking a scum, then the Mafia will only rarely NK that person, for fear that it would be very suspicious.
4) They were counting on me to continue attacking him. If he flips town, then it would be easy to point a finger at me for going after the obvious cop.Those were hypothetical situations, with me stating what I thought the most likely possibilities were. You asked my opinions, so I gave them. Him being scum was already covered by point 1, while points 2-5 were why a not-him-scum didn't kill him. Should I have made points 6-10 with variations "on HE'S ALIVE 'CAUSE HE'S SCUM!!!1" ?
So you continue to go after him right after saying this?
You seem to know he will flip town.
You said Alsark was more of a threat than Cheddarius, Which implys that you know there is a godfather, making the cop useless.If there is a godfather, then Cheddarius isn't much of a threat to him.
Or we could lynch him TODAY, see that he is a cop, then lynch you.I still don't like how you seem certain that he is a cop, yet want him lynched anyway. How about this: We lynch you for pushing a lynch on somebody you think is the most pro-town role out there?
Also, Nirur Torir, Why did RNG never lay any suspesion on you?I think it's because he didn't consider me to be an easy lynch. Skimming old posts, he hasn't voted for Cheddarius, either.
Is it because you are scum?
Scum is behind this totally.I'm behind it actually. If Ched is comfirmed cop then everyone else is comfirmed town except Nirur. But every post just makes Ched look more and more like a townie.
$100 Cheddarius is town.
i say to you comma my brave fellows, that the scum in question is the man called spitfire. indeed i shall make this code a little easier to crack, that you may successfully catch this man whom I have copped!
I shall do this through using the fifth letter of the alphabet overmuch, as it is the most commonly used letter. Hopefully this will help you to find out what the cipher key is. I also shall give you a hint later; that the cipher is the socalled unbreakable cipher, the vigenere cipher. And now i must go, my lads.
Farewell!
I am a cop. Spitfire, theevilmonk, and magmadeath were all shown to me, in that order, as town.
I got an idea. One of us is probably a Cop, but can't post his findings because he'll get killed first!
Sooo, he PM's his findings, to the next person in the playerlist. That person PM's it to the next person, and so on, the last person PM's to the first, until the last person PM's it again to the Cop. Then nobody knows who the cop is, but everyone knows what he found out! The cop should watch out when he PM's, don't do it too fast or you'll give yourself away.
Yes, my code actually does that. You can use any Vigenere cipher. There's one here:
http://islab.oregonstate.edu/koc/ece575/02Project/Mun+Lee/VigenereCipher.html
That isn't mine; I googled the link. It's second on "Vigenere cipher".
Erm, I'm asking because of the content and style of your posts. Of course, you also sound a bit young to be in college... so I'd guess late high school.How do you mean?
Erm, I'm asking because of the content and style of your posts. Of course, you also sound a bit young to be in college... so I'd guess late high school.How do you mean?
01. spitfire684
02.Cthulhu- Townie
03.Alsark- Townie
04. MagmaDeath
05.Siquo- Townie
06. theinnermonk
07. Cheddarius
08. Nirur Torir
09.RandomNumberGenerator- Mafia Roleblocker
Imma have to ask for a replacement, Mafia just doesnt intrest me anymore
Imma have to ask for a replacement, Mafia just doesnt intrest me anymore
just showing that i had requested a replacement before, also didnt want to read the last 3 pages
Well, time to look at spitfire, who seems to have lurked his way hereIs there a question behind that, or were you going to just take his response as a town-tell and get back to reaction fishing on me?
Really now? The best question you could think of was one I'd already answered?QuoteAlso, Nirur Torir, Why did RNG never lay any suspesion on you?I think it's because he didn't consider me to be an easy lynch. Skimming old posts, he hasn't voted for Cheddarius, either.
Is it because you are scum?
Jokes Randomnumbergenerator Are very scummy. We don't joke, we are trying to find a mafia. And we don't want to cause more WIFOMPerhaps you were just trying to bus your partner so nobody would suspect you? Maybe he even set up the field for you by purposefully ignoring me.
I think a claim of our roles, and our actions might help in finding the scum. It seems you tried to ignore me saying that Nirur Torir.Okay, please explain how role-claiming will help find the scum.
Not sure what other questions I would ask at this stage.
I didn't need to vote since it still would of been 2 on him 1 on the others.So, you joined the bandwagon just because you wanted in on the lynch. Sounds to me like you were bussing your partner.
And since that was the case I thought, 'well I know it won't make a difference but I will do it anyway'.
Well Nirur, we seem to scum who doesn't want to leave things to chance, therefore killing TEM.Did you edit that a few times to try to make it less scummy? It reminds me of a Babblefish-ized phrase.
What the...? I have posted today, what are you on about?? I have been at school all day so I couldnt of posted in the last few hours or so.Can't I? There is a block of around 38 hours where you didn't post in this thread. That counts as lurking to me.
I have no idea why monk was killed, probally so it was easier for the scum to hammer someone with more active players im guessing. Although im still confused why monk was killed and not somebody else.
I posted about 3 times yesterday so you can't accuse me of lurking
I really don't feel that role-claiming is helpful here, as the scum would just town claim. I think you're trying to distract us from scum-hunting, Spitfire. A town-claim wouldn't be reliable regardless, as it's usually seen as a scum-tell.Nice try to get me to help you lynch the lurker there.
Why can't you think of more questions? Are you going to just keep letting others play the game for you?I didn't need to vote since it still would of been 2 on him 1 on the others.So, you joined the bandwagon just because you wanted in on the lynch. Sounds to me like you were bussing your partner.
And since that was the case I thought, 'well I know it won't make a difference but I will do it anyway'.
...Ultra-defensiveness by aggressiveness mode activate!
Really Nirur Torir?
When all the questions were pointed at spitfire, and I was waiting for him to answer, you INSTANTLY try to get him to vote me for lurking?
Nice try scum, nice try.
And spitfire, I suspected Cheddarius, until the spew of cop tells, Then got the Nirur torir, and RNG scumteam, which I STILL think exists.Reaction fishing. He didn't give off a scummy response to it, not that you care.
Time for a barrage of questionsI really don't feel that role-claiming is helpful here, as the scum would just town claim. I think you're trying to distract us from scum-hunting, Spitfire. A town-claim wouldn't be reliable regardless, as it's usually seen as a scum-tell.Nice try to get me to help you lynch the lurker there.
Why can't you think of more questions? Are you going to just keep letting others play the game for you?I didn't need to vote since it still would of been 2 on him 1 on the others.So, you joined the bandwagon just because you wanted in on the lynch. Sounds to me like you were bussing your partner.
And since that was the case I thought, 'well I know it won't make a difference but I will do it anyway'.
Why are you reluctant to Roleclaim?Purely because I don't think it will solve anything.
Is it because you are scum?
Are you scum?No.
Do you think I am scum?Quite probably. You seriously blew up at that lurker accusation, and I still don't see the point in following through with the Cheddarius lynch. His willingness to go along with being lynched to prove himself a cop clearly showed to me that he was, indeed, a cop. An experienced player might have been a scum pulling a fast one, but I don't think he is confident enough to try that yet. You could have unvoted him at the last few hours easily. But you didn't.
That question was mostly to see who jumped. You did not take it as an excuse to attack him, but notice how emotional he got about it.Spitfire got it Exactly right.
Did I suspect RNG? Sure. But he was already going down, whether or not I stepped in. I decided to continue questioning other people.
Magma, you didn't answer my earlier question about why you were focusing only on Spitfire, instead of questioning us both.
Nirur Torir 14LOL :D
12-22-2009 10:15 PM ET (US)
Honestly, I feel kinda bad for the town's chances right now.
RndmNumGenerator 22Thanks :)
12-23-2009 12:46 PM ET (US)
Hmm... as far as skill goes, I would actually say Siquo is one of the most skilled players. One of the most dangerous, at least.
My apologies if I really offended anyone.This really is not a good game for those who are easily offended. Or those who bear grudges.
Also, me at some point calling everyone either scum or stupid was an attempt at scumhunting. I should re-read the replies to that, but some players were really annoyed at being called stupid, others at being called scum. There's a good tell... My apologies if I really offended anyone.Hmm... that's certainly an interesting idea, actually.
MOTHER)#*(@$ first BM I flake out from and the town WON IT!?You mean.. you had no faith in us?? D:
Congrats. This is officially the first BM game where the town beat the mafia. I'm very impressed.
And apologies for not being an element in this one. I realize now that I just couldn't find a way to wedge in this one, especially since it seemed the ICs and host was doing so well on their own.
It's got pretty close a number of times, but mafia always seemed to triumph in the end.MOTHER)#*(@$ first BM I flake out from and the town WON IT!?You mean.. you had no faith in us?? D:
Congrats. This is officially the first BM game where the town beat the mafia. I'm very impressed.
And apologies for not being an element in this one. I realize now that I just couldn't find a way to wedge in this one, especially since it seemed the ICs and host was doing so well on their own.
lol ;) You mean town has never won in BM?... wow...
Anyway, great job, everyone! This was quite fun to watch (but don't think your win is going to be a trend ;) ).Never! From this day forwards, the Global Alliance of Random Townspeople (the only alliance in the world that has no idea who its members or leaders are) shall defeat all enemies in its path!
(Raises fist high into the air) YAAAAAAH! Alliance of random townspeople shall prevail!Anyway, great job, everyone! This was quite fun to watch (but don't think your win is going to be a trend ;) ).Never! From this day forwards, the Global Alliance of Random Townspeople (the only alliance in the world that has no idea who its members or leaders are) shall defeat all enemies in its path!
(the only alliance in the world that has no idea who its members or leaders are)The identity of the ICs are known. You have lied, and are thusly scum. A sniper team is on stand-by.
There was that horrible instance where our glorious leaders Eduren and Webadict turned on us, and thus we cannot trust anyone, even our leaders.(the only alliance in the world that has no idea who its members or leaders are)The identity of the ICs are known. You have lied, and are thusly scum. A sniper team is on stand-by.
The last of the shadows defeated, they congratulate each other, and return to the long wait, sure that someday their master will reward them.
He never does. He never even notices the pokemon that went missing. The fact is, he's long since forgotten they even exist.
...
The town is victorious! Hurrah![/b]
Though if I opened my box and saw half my pokemon dead because of the other half, I would've probably smote the whole lot of them.Or drop some more shadows in and see what happened.
level 600 SnorlaxWHAT IS THIS
level 600 SnorlaxWHAT IS THIS
level 600 SnorlaxWHAT IS THIS
Have you never run into the MissingNo bug?
The infinite rare candy thing? Yeah, I abused that to no end, but I remember the level cap was 100 or something, right?
level 600 SnorlaxWHAT IS THIS
Have you never run into the MissingNo bug?
All my MissingNo guys turn into Kangaroos.
I generally fought with one of the infectious missingnos that spread some of the code problems to other games.
I was a horrible person for finding it hilarious, I think - but man, I had a collection of a number of different missingnos. I loved those things - twer my favoritest pokemon, and I miss them.