Town is so fucked. ^
FOSes are put in blue
Town is so fucked. ^
Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?
How many mafia in a 9player? Two or three?Most likely two, as three would mean this:
We should lynch, no lynch can lead to a lurking town which leads to a lurking scum and an easy win for them. If we mislynch we use the same number of goes as if we no lynch:
7 town 2 scum - Start
6 town 2 scum - No lynch and NK
4 town 2 scum - Mislynch and NK 1/3 chances of hitting scum here. If we don't we are stuffed.
If we lynch
7 town 2 scum - 2/7 chance of hitting scum (more becuase of scum hunting.)
5 town 2 scum - 2/5 chance of hitting scum (more becuase of scum hunting.)
3 town 2 scum - 2/3 chance of hitting scum (more becuase of scum hunting.)
No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.
Two mean the chance of mislynch is high... I guess we should not lynch today. Then again, I may be wrong. Should I vote "'No lynch" in red, or just don't vote at all?"As your Captain speaking, I'm going to shoot you if you do this. At an odd number it is usually advisable to lynch. Though I understand, as a newbie, it seems more advisable not to, you cannot rely on power roles to find your scum."
That makes a lot of sense... So we'll randomly vote?*hits buzzer button* "That's incorrect. Only the mafia have to vote randomly, which is why I find you suspicious. You're asking a fair amount of questions that town simply don't ask, or don't need to ask. It's a call to the public sort of thing. It's to be on everyone's good side. It makes you look bad because, frankly, you're trying to look good. But, I'm not here to bias anyone, so take from it what you will.
"I'm afraid I can't let you do that,"Spy's getting into the machine's again?"Davewebadict." Webadict is flushed out the airlock.
Pan-D4R has replaced webadict as a town IC due to his mysterious absence. But not really. He'd be a better scum IC.
Well then, Errol, been spying lately?
FAKEEDIT: Wow I'm stupid thought it was dorf that replied. Disregard the second post thought it was dorf trying to passive.*snickers*
How does it feel, Rolan7?No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.
Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorf
Voting Halmie, for the "town is so fucked" sounding scummy.You really shouldn't do that :s
Edited because I forgot to put Halmie in red.
I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.What's this? You replied you want a scum role? Does that mean you are already scum?
How does it feel, Rolan7?This is called an OMGUS. webadict will explain it better. But you will raise suspicion with revenge votes.
Fair enough, now get to active scumhunting! Your posts containing little scum hunting is raising suspicouns more than your vote.
Unvote, I'll be watching you dorf... And I expect an answer to the earlier question.
Agikak a no-post post scum?
Who would you least like to be scum?
Do NOT quote my PM text and do NOT edit your posts (you can double post if you need to)2)
Please, try to make more sense.
And do his votes count if he spells my name completely incorrectly?
Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?My post attacked and was meant to start conversation.
Therion:
1)Do NOT quote my PM text and do NOT edit your posts (you can double post if you need to)2)
It may seem like you're hiding something. This is not very pro-town behaviour, methinks.
Halmie:
This is also called a RVS.
Oops. Sorry about the edit. Wont forget that.So do scum. As a townie you really shouldn't be standing aside. If you stand aside that lets the scum stand aside. And if the scum can stand aside without suspicion how the hell are we going to cathc them?
And I unvoted because I prefer to stand aside.
Quote from: dorf link=topic=47768.msg967424#msg9
67424 date=1263306277Halmie:
This is also called a RVS.
That name is not true. Random votes should stop by the time half the people have posted atleast one.
You should vote people who look scummy and not becuase they voted you. If you were a comfirmed cop that would be the time an OMGUS would be fine. Hopefully someone will come in and explain the details.
Also, Exkirby, where is this hyper-aggression you promises in the setup thread for day 1 pressure? Instead you just attack Rolan for diving in?What, just because I'm offline it doesn't mean that I won't be aggressive?
*snickers*You sound terrified of a lynching, scum. Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote. My vote stands.
I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.How does it feel, Rolan7?
Unvote
Vote dorf
Are you advising him not to edit posts, or are you threatening to nightkill him if he votes you? I think you're sending both messages here.Voting Halmie, for the "town is so fucked" sounding scummy.You really shouldn't do that :s
Edited because I forgot to put Halmie in red.
Rolan7, why so overpanicking on a random question? He could have asked "What color pants yould you like?" and still have got the same amount of a read.
No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.
Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorf
Don't you know it's polite to actually adress ALL the people involved?
2. I'm pretty sure as long as SirBayer knows what I mean.
NO YOUR SPELILNG MUST BE PREFECT
Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?Vote Halmie. Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?
This isn't "adding pressure", this is bandwagoning without a valid reason.No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorf
Here he overreacts over my first post in this game. He is SURE that I am scum from my RVS vote.How does it feel, Rolan7?You sound terrified of a lynching, scum. Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote. My vote stands.
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia. Possibly a Godfather trying for WIFOM!
...Quote from: dorfAre you advising him not to edit posts, or are you threatening to nightkill him if he votes you? I think you're sending both messages here.Voting Halmie, for the "town is so fucked" sounding scummy.You really shouldn't do that :s
Edited because I forgot to put Halmie in red.
Answer to "why are you panicking" is: "I hope we don't lose a doctor or cop with this, but I trust his RVS vote, so it's okay"Rolan7, why so overpanicking on a random question? He could have asked "What color pants yould you like?" and still have got the same amount of a read.I answered your question with the following:Really, his wording seemed like it could trick someone into claiming. If it happened to be a newbie doctor or cop, that could have been disastrous for us. I'm satisfied with his answer, particularly with obviouscum like dorf.No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorf
Well then, Errol, been spying lately?He only said one word more than I did. Surely that makes him scum?
I have to admit, that is funny.
Well, I don't see how pressing Rolan wil help short-term, so Unvote.
Errol, what up with the quiet streak? Inactiveness is scummy, you know.
Going for generic lurker-pushing. inteuniso, who do you think is more credible here?Unvote
Good new reasons. That's the important thing.Yeah. Because if not its like SUPER Bandwagonning.
You were right on both counts. Voting for no reason (or no real reason) OR voting just based on what others have said is bandwagoning.I disagree. I believe that avoiding scumtells is also helpful to Town, though not a sole purpose. It helps give credibility to Townies, since they only have words to persuade, and never conclusive evidence. But, yes, you should try your hardest to make sure scum are lynched.
Note that you CAN use other people's reasons technically, but you need to show that you had put some thought in it yourself.
Note that bandwagoning isn't a lynchable offense (no ONE tell is) and that townies should NOT be TOO focused on just avoiding scumtells. The true point is that you should have a reason and stand for everything you do.
To put it another way: if you have to do 20 scumtells in order to lynch a mafia, then DO IT! All that matters is the kill.. nothing else, not even your life!
ALL THAT MATTERS!
Don't get in the mindset that one of these two have to be scum. Often neither are and the scum can just sit back and join the bandwagon.
Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.
*snickers*
I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.How does it feel, Rolan7?
Unvote
Vote dorf
Let me explain.
Pro-town wants to lynch scum. Anti-town don't care who gets lynched, just that it's not them.
What you are doing is throwing accusations all over the place, without backing them up. I see many of you are changing votes rapidly, which doesn't help with your credibility, either.
What you should do is concentrate on scumtells and elaborate on them. What you are doing now will only benefit Mafia.
Of course, if you are anti-town, then keep up the good work! You're preparing a nice situation that could lead to a mislynch.
Halmie and Rolan7 are both very excited to be playing. But I think Halmie is just trying to scumhunt and get some conversation going.
Rolan7 is being weirder, though.
It was a random vote, and right after you ask this question, you answer it by quoting my justification for changing my vote:
If you think what Halmie is doing is scummy:Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?Vote Halmie. Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?
Why do you suddenly side with him?
Then:No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorf
This isn't "adding pressure", this is bandwagoning without a valid reason.I give a valid reason. At the time, you had not posted. All I meant to do was encourage you to post, yet you responded by voting me and mounting this assault of untruths at me.
Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you? So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.Here he overreacts over my first post in this game. He is SURE that I am scum from my RVS vote.How does it feel, Rolan7?You sound terrified of a lynching, scum. Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote. My vote stands.
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia. Possibly a Godfather trying for WIFOM!
He is LITERALLY saying that I am Mafia, and not only that! He's even quoted my initial 5 words to present that as proof of my scumdom.I'm being agressive because of Dakarian's post, directly before I posted, which encouraged us to be rediculously aggressive. Yet you choose to attack me, some newbie, instead of critiquing the IC. Why would you do that if you were a cooperative townie? Are you too busy flinging accusations at me, to share you wisdom with the town? No.But even he saw the silliness in his empty accusations, so he said to himself "ooh, I better find some more things to say", and he came up with this:Quote from: dorfAre you advising him not to edit posts, or are you threatening to nightkill him if he votes you? I think you're sending both messages here.Voting Halmie, for the "town is so fucked" sounding scummy.You really shouldn't do that :s
Edited because I forgot to put Halmie in red.
...I don't see your explanation, but it's not important. My question was a weak attempt to keep the pressure on you. If that pressure is the reason your arguments are so easy to break apart, then I'm glad I asked it.
Therion knew (and I bet that everybody else did too) what I was saying. How come you didn't?
I should also note that I actually explained what I meant BEFORE he posted.
I didn't trust his RVS vote. I did some research, shared it, and chose to vote for one of the two people that hadn't posted yet. It happened to you, and you have freaked out in response. Including, lest anyone forget, instantly voting for me with *no* justification *whatsoever*.Answer to "why are you panicking" is: "I hope we don't lose a doctor or cop with this, but I trust his RVS vote, so it's okay"Rolan7, why so overpanicking on a random question? He could have asked "What color pants yould you like?" and still have got the same amount of a read.I answered your question with the following:Really, his wording seemed like it could trick someone into claiming. If it happened to be a newbie doctor or cop, that could have been disastrous for us. I'm satisfied with his answer, particularly with obviouscum like dorf.No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorf
This is typical anti-town behavior. NO townie wants a mislynch, unless it can lure out the scum. You just showed the public you don't care who gets lynched and have exposed yourself as scum.
At the time I was merely pressuring you to get you to vote, since you were nearly the *last* person to vote. Much less getting involved at the start.
So tell me again, Rolan7, why am I scum? Because I didn't post right at the start of the game? Because my RVS vote was on you?
How am I more scummy than inteuniso?I'm just a newbie, so I'll ask: does anyone thing I really need to respond to this?Well then, Errol, been spying lately?He only said one word more than I did. Surely that makes him scum?
Take your time replying to this, Rolan7. I'm sure you won't back off now, right?Ball's in your court, space pirate. Unlike when I made my vote against you, I am now completely convinced that you are scum. Truth is the best weapon of the town, and I have shown you to be a liar. Isn't it one of the basic strategies, that a townie should never lie? If you are town, then we'll waste a lynching on your lying self, instead of a scum. Which would be better than lynching any of the other townies who have proceeded without obvious dishonesty.
My vote was on dorf, not akigigak(meh). Unvote anyway."Okay, pal. Let's get this whole thing straightened out:
Bandwagonning is not a scum tell as it is the only way to lynch people, but your motives will(should) be questioned.
Calling someone scum is not saying they are definatly mafia. It's just a way of saying HEY YOU!
Don't get in the mindset that one of these two have to be scum. Often neither are and the scum can just sit back and join the bandwagon.
Maybe rolan7 is asleep??? I've only just got up. And you've made what? 3 posts? I agree he's made some pretty random moves. But I'm getting newb town tells more than scumtells.
Dorf, I'm not so sure about. This fight is leaning my read on him towards the town side.
With all this in mind my vote goes to.................
inteuniso
OK then, I vote Rolan7.
He has lurked, and he has only retaliated, besides rv'ing Glyphgryph.
Maybe rolan7 is asleep??? I've only just got up. And you've made what? 3 posts? I agree he's made some pretty random moves. But I'm getting newb town tells more than scumtells.
Dorf, I'm not so sure about. This fight is leaning my read on him towards the town side.
With all this in mind my vote goes to.................
inteuniso
Exkirby, why did you give up questioning Rolan so easily?
Yet another untruth. Your initial 5 words were "*snickers* I would want to". I certainly didn't build my case on that.Here he overreacts over my first post in this game. He is SURE that I am scum from my RVS vote.How does it feel, Rolan7?You sound terrified of a lynching, scum. Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote. My vote stands.
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia. Possibly a Godfather trying for WIFOM!
He is LITERALLY saying that I am Mafia, and not only that! He's even quoted my initial 5 words to present that as proof of my scumdom.
'Sup GlyphGryph. No one voted on you yet, so I felt like I should.
Votecount:
Errol [1]: ExKirby
Halmie [1]: Rolan7
Rolan7 [2]: Dorf, inteuniso
ExKirby [1]: GlyphGryph
inteuniso [2]: Errol, Halmie
There, updated, fixed votecount. If something's wrong tell me.
No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.
Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorf
...Quote from: dorfAre you advising him not to edit posts, or are you threatening to nightkill him if he votes you? I think you're sending both messages here.Voting Halmie, for the "town is so fucked" sounding scummy.You really shouldn't do that :s
Edited because I forgot to put Halmie in red.
Therion knew (and I bet that everybody else did too) what I was saying. How come you didn't?
My edited post contained a vote and a edit. I was warned I should'nt do something: I assumed I should'nt vote, and only later were I told he was actually talking about the edit.
Try laying it all out in one convenient post. It'll help others, and it won't be a singe jab at a time. Single jabs are scummy.
If a townie is to be lynched on the first day, it might as well be me, but I'd much rather we lynch a mafia member instead. So I'm going to defend myself. I'll start with dorf, the guy who instantly responded to my random vote with a OMGUS vote and a vendetta.Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.
I am a newbie, but I have quoted evidence to support every single one of my claims. I am not an "overeager newbie" for pressuring people on day one, or for random voting. I unvoted my random vote as soon as I had a lead.
Isn't it obvious that by calling us newbies overeager, you're encouraging us to lurk? I'm *sure* you know that lurking is anti-town. So why are you trying this?
You say we should provide "something concrete to back up your claims"? Then I demand, again, that you explain your OMGUS vote against me:*snickers*
I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.How does it feel, Rolan7?
Unvote
Vote dorf
You quote this OMGUS below, yet you provide absolutely no justification of your vote. Just like when you first made it. And it is not a random vote, as you claim, because you do it in direct response to me random voting you. Can you explain these, well, lies?Let me explain.
Pro-town wants to lynch scum. Anti-town don't care who gets lynched, just that it's not them.
What you are doing is throwing accusations all over the place, without backing them up. I see many of you are changing votes rapidly, which doesn't help with your credibility, either.
What you should do is concentrate on scumtells and elaborate on them. What you are doing now will only benefit Mafia.
Of course, if you are anti-town, then keep up the good work! You're preparing a nice situation that could lead to a mislynch.
Halmie and Rolan7 are both very excited to be playing. But I think Halmie is just trying to scumhunt and get some conversation going.
Rolan7 is being weirder, though.
Feel free to elaborate on my "weird"ness. Until then, you're just mad that I randomly voted you.It was a random vote, and right after you ask this question, you answer it by quoting my justification for changing my vote:
If you think what Halmie is doing is scummy:Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?Vote Halmie. Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?
Why do you suddenly side with him?Then:No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorfThis isn't "adding pressure", this is bandwagoning without a valid reason.I give a valid reason. At the time, you had not posted. All I meant to do was encourage you to post, yet you responded by voting me and mounting this assault of untruths at me.Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you? So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.Here he overreacts over my first post in this game. He is SURE that I am scum from my RVS vote.How does it feel, Rolan7?You sound terrified of a lynching, scum. Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote. My vote stands.
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia. Possibly a Godfather trying for WIFOM!
He is LITERALLY saying that I am Mafia, and not only that! He's even quoted my initial 5 words to present that as proof of my scumdom.I'm being agressive because of Dakarian's post, directly before I posted, which encouraged us to be rediculously aggressive. Yet you choose to attack me, some newbie, instead of critiquing the IC. Why would you do that if you were a cooperative townie? Are you too busy flinging accusations at me, to share you wisdom with the town? No.But even he saw the silliness in his empty accusations, so he said to himself "ooh, I better find some more things to say", and he came up with this:Quote from: dorfAre you advising him not to edit posts, or are you threatening to nightkill him if he votes you? I think you're sending both messages here.Voting Halmie, for the "town is so fucked" sounding scummy.You really shouldn't do that :s
Edited because I forgot to put Halmie in red....I don't see your explanation, but it's not important. My question was a weak attempt to keep the pressure on you. If that pressure is the reason your arguments are so easy to break apart, then I'm glad I asked it.
Therion knew (and I bet that everybody else did too) what I was saying. How come you didn't?
I should also note that I actually explained what I meant BEFORE he posted.I didn't trust his RVS vote. I did some research, shared it, and chose to vote for one of the two people that hadn't posted yet. It happened to you, and you have freaked out in response. Including, lest anyone forget, instantly voting for me with *no* justification *whatsoever*.Answer to "why are you panicking" is: "I hope we don't lose a doctor or cop with this, but I trust his RVS vote, so it's okay"Rolan7, why so overpanicking on a random question? He could have asked "What color pants yould you like?" and still have got the same amount of a read.I answered your question with the following:Really, his wording seemed like it could trick someone into claiming. If it happened to be a newbie doctor or cop, that could have been disastrous for us. I'm satisfied with his answer, particularly with obviouscum like dorf.No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.Fair enough. This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.
Unvote
Vote dorf
This is typical anti-town behavior. NO townie wants a mislynch, unless it can lure out the scum. You just showed the public you don't care who gets lynched and have exposed yourself as scum.At the time I was merely pressuring you to get you to vote, since you were nearly the *last* person to vote. Much less getting involved at the start.
So tell me again, Rolan7, why am I scum? Because I didn't post right at the start of the game? Because my RVS vote was on you?
Calling your vote a RVS vote is another flat out lie, as you quoted my random vote when you made it.How am I more scummy than inteuniso?I'm just a newbie, so I'll ask: does anyone thing I really need to respond to this?Well then, Errol, been spying lately?He only said one word more than I did. Surely that makes him scum?Take your time replying to this, Rolan7. I'm sure you won't back off now, right?Ball's in your court, space pirate. Unlike when I made my vote against you, I am now completely convinced that you are scum. Truth is the best weapon of the town, and I have shown you to be a liar. Isn't it one of the basic strategies, that a townie should never lie? If you are town, then we'll waste a lynching on your lying self, instead of a scum. Which would be better than lynching any of the other townies who have proceeded without obvious dishonesty.
Well, with THAT hunk of evidene, I don't need extra pressure added. Nice job, dorf.YOU should have done this, when you were pathetically attacking him.
Exkirby, why did you give up questioning Rolan so easily?
You ask him questions, he gives crappy responses, and then... you jump to Errol? Citing that pressing him won't help short term? If you think he's scum, you push till he breaks or you're sure he isn't scum. Especially if his answers haven't been good enough.
So, why is it? Do you no longer think he's scum? Would you rather let someone else pressure him instead of you? Were you satisfied with his answers?
Not satisfied, more annoyed. I figured that if he kept up giving answers like he did, I wouldn't have much of a read on him. So, I decided to try to get reads on other people.SCUM ALERT!
So, I decided to try to get reads on other people.You just shown you are inefficient at scumhunting or just plain uninterested in a Mafia lynch.
@Errol-My bad. I'm not that phychic, so... my bad. Anyway, while my vote's on you, why did you want to give Rolan the "Benefit of the doubt"? Doubt is baad. Very, very baad.Because he might be town, that's why. So, by your definition, you think all attackers are automatically cleared??
Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.While some of us are trying to ACTUALLY be aggressive, you show no such signs.
My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.No. It's your turn now.
I think you have some rock solid evidence there, but I want to hear from Errol before I do anything.Again! He's so agreeable and nice to everyone. He doesn't apply pressure himself. He waits for others to write the reasons for him and jump on the wagon!
@GlyphGryph:
Rolan7 voted on you, and he wasn't showered with questions and suspicions.
And if you're not scared of votes, why didn't you stay "ignored" my vote, as you claimed you could?
Perhaps you're trying to pose as a concerned townie, scum.
I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.You certainly took dakarian's post seriously, which is good and useful for us, because you are scumhunting or at least trying to get some action going.
A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act.(I suppose, lying or exaggerating could be a scumhunting technique, so I don't think the townie that uses it properly is stupid)
He didn't say that. He said town is fucked because of Org's randomness, hence the ^ character.Town is so fucked. ^Odd that you refer to "Town" as if you aren't part of the crew, Halmie. I finger of suspicion you to get things going.
Town is so fucked. ^
Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?
Vote Halmie. Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?
I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.See, the answer says you have identified me as mafia, but you provided no evidence to suggest that.You sound terrified of a lynching, scum. Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote. My vote stands.Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.How does it feel, Rolan7?
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Vote dorf
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia.Don't you know it's polite to actually adress ALL the people involved?
Without quoting me or mentioning my name, I almost didn't realize you were addressing this to me. So, I see your point about addressing people clearly, and I think we should both try to do so.I think it's fairly obvious when I post directly after you. You were at least five posts off. Care to explain?Yeah. I mean, really.If a townie is to be lynched on the first day, it might as well be me, but I'd much rather we lynch a mafia member instead. So I'm going to defend myself.You only had two votes and the Day had only begun. And seeing how SirBayer admitted to have miscounted the votes, you could have been tied.Your evidence was nonexistent.Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.
I am a newbie, but I have quoted evidence to support every single one of my claims. I am not an "overeager newbie" for pressuring people on day one, or for random voting. I unvoted my random vote as soon as I had a lead.Isn't it obvious that by calling us newbies overeager, you're encouraging us to lurk? I'm *sure* you know that lurking is anti-town. So why are you trying this?The definition of 'eager' isQuote from: answers.comIN BRIEF: Wanting very much to do something; having or showing an impatient or enthusiastic desire.
And 'overeager' means to be excessively eager.
I only pointed out a fact. I don't know where you got the lurking part from.You quote this OMGUS below, yet you provide absolutely no justification of your vote. Just like when you first made it. And it is not a random vote, as you claim,"How does it feel, <nickname>?"
I see. Not characteristic of a RVS at all.Feel free to elaborate on my "weird"ness. Until then, you're just mad that I randomly voted you.First off, I elaborated IN THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH. Secondly, where do you see this mad dorf?Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you? So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.No, I said that you have no substantial evidence and the arguments that you're trying to use are silly.
I really didn't believe I'd find so many of these quotes of you twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing.
I'm not sure what your deal is. Sometimes you DO understand what is happening. Sometimes you interpret those things the way you want to. And most of the time you don't even listen (or don't care?) to explanations just to get your twisted point across.
Try not to look for alternative meanings. Often, there aren't any.
Maybe this is a matter of opinion, and I am just a newbie, but I think townies should never lie. Exaggerate, sure, but leave lying to the mafia. Scum *have* to lie, so if the townies agree not to lie, any exposed lie exposes a scum. That's why I considered a townie who lies to be stupid, and a detriment to their town side.I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.You certainly took dakarian's post seriously, which is good and useful for us, because you are scumhunting or at least trying to get some action going.
I will now demonstrate your technique of scumhunting (I guess?).
You twist the meaning of a sentence to suit your needs. Which is, again, good for getting other people's reactions.
Though, you went so far as to twist the meaning and then rely on that falsity you created to convict me. And that, as you've mentioned, is:A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act.(I suppose, lying or exaggerating could be a scumhunting technique, so I don't think the townie that uses it properly is stupid)
He referred to "Town" in the same way I might refer to mafia. "Town is so fucked" instead of "We are so fucked". An extremely weak bit of evidence, suitable only for the RVS. To your credit, dorf, you say you might have used my argument yourself. So I'm surprised you even quoted this at me at all.
So anyway, here are some of the twists of the meanings, I was talking about:He didn't say that. He said town is fucked because of Org's randomness, hence the ^ character.Town is so fucked. ^Odd that you refer to "Town" as if you aren't part of the crew, Halmie. I finger of suspicion you to get things going.
I confess, I haven't thought much of it at the beginning, and I would have probably used that argument myself.
And, I suppose, the next quote could also be justified.Moving on is great. I'm not sure why we went over those quotes at all. I asked rather silly questions in the RVS to apply pressure.Town is so fucked. ^
Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?
Vote Halmie. Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?
So let's move on.
Accusing people of being mafia, without being certain, is part of applying pressure.See, the answer says you have identified me as mafia, but you provided no evidence to suggest that.I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.You sound terrified of a lynching, scum. Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote. My vote stands.Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.How does it feel, Rolan7?
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Vote dorf
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia.
You're demanding me to respond to ExKirby again? At that stage, if I had followed your lead, I would have posted "How does it feel ExKirby (vote) (PS u suck!)".Don't you know it's polite to actually adress ALL the people involved?
Without quoting me or mentioning my name, I almost didn't realize you were addressing this to me. So, I see your point about addressing people clearly, and I think we should both try to do so.I think it's fairly obvious when I post directly after you. You were at least five posts off. Care to explain?Yeah. I mean, really.
What you say is true, and my words you quoted are true. I don't see an issue.If a townie is to be lynched on the first day, it might as well be me, but I'd much rather we lynch a mafia member instead. So I'm going to defend myself.
You only had two votes and the Day had only begun. And seeing how SirBayer admitted to have miscounted the votes, you could have been tied.
You'll have to point out which of my claims lacked evidence.Your evidence was nonexistent.Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.
I am a newbie, but I have quoted evidence to support every single one of my claims. I am not an "overeager newbie" for pressuring people on day one, or for random voting. I unvoted my random vote as soon as I had a lead.
1) I still think it's obvious that calling a newbie overeager will encourage him/her/it to lurk.Isn't it obvious that by calling us newbies overeager, you're encouraging us to lurk? I'm *sure* you know that lurking is anti-town. So why are you trying this?The definition of 'eager' isQuote from: answers.comIN BRIEF: Wanting very much to do something; having or showing an impatient or enthusiastic desire.And 'overeager' means to be excessively eager.
I only pointed out a fact. I don't know where you got the lurking part from.
What a coincidence. You cut the justification out of my quote. Here, I'll fix that:You quote this OMGUS below, yet you provide absolutely no justification of your vote. Just like when you first made it. And it is not a random vote, as you claim,"How does it feel, <nickname>?"
I see. Not characteristic of a RVS at all.
And it is not a random vote, as you claim, because you do it in direct response to me random voting you.Did you vote me randomly from any list of players? No, you voted me because I voted you.
I assumed you were mad, because you OMGUS voted me, with no justification, in the form of a snarky comment. Maybe "vengeful" or "petty" would have been a better term on my part?Feel free to elaborate on my "weird"ness. Until then, you're just mad that I randomly voted you.First off, I elaborated IN THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH. Secondly, where do you see this mad dorf?
My one silly argument so far is in this post, where I mock you by asking if I should have said "How does it feel ExKirby (vote) (PS u suck!)". I considered removing it, but I believe it illustrates the hypocrisy of your demand that I answer ExKirby better.Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you? So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.No, I said that you have no substantial evidence and the arguments that you're trying to use are silly.
I really didn't believe I'd find so many of these quotes of you twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing.
I'm not sure what your deal is. Sometimes you DO understand what is happening. Sometimes you interpret those things the way you want to. And most of the time you don't even listen (or don't care?) to explanations just to get your twisted point across.
Try not to look for alternative meanings. Often, there aren't any.
I corrected dorf's quotes when I quoted it below. No need for him to repost the same thing reformatted (: I've added responses, of course.It is assumed that the town never has a reason to lie. I'm sure there's some times where it is acceptable, but these are few, and this game is not one of them. Anyhow, lying is a very bad thing to do as town, and it is very scummy.Maybe this is a matter of opinion, and I am just a newbie, but I think townies should never lie. Exaggerate, sure, but leave lying to the mafia. Scum *have* to lie, so if the townies agree not to lie, any exposed lie exposes a scum. That's why I considered a townie who lies to be stupid, and a detriment to their town side.I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.You certainly took dakarian's post seriously, which is good and useful for us, because you are scumhunting or at least trying to get some action going.
I will now demonstrate your technique of scumhunting (I guess?).
You twist the meaning of a sentence to suit your needs. Which is, again, good for getting other people's reactions.
Though, you went so far as to twist the meaning and then rely on that falsity you created to convict me. And that, as you've mentioned, is:A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act.(I suppose, lying or exaggerating could be a scumhunting technique, so I don't think the townie that uses it properly is stupid)
Perhaps the town IC has advice on this?
Extension, please.You haven't really done much, though. And I'm not sure, how you can find a slip without attacking some first.
...dorf. Although I'm in favour for nice agressive attacks, I prefer to SPREAD my attacks until I find a slip, then keep on ramming it repeatedly. If you spread it out, you get a nice, balanced ownage. After reading through your text wall, then Rolan's, I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me. I would vote you and add a wall of text if it weren't for the fact that I have to go to school now.
Well then, Errol, been spying lately?A random vote. Nothing to scummy or townie.
You claimed he was lurking when he wasn't, and then said he wasn't answering questions. I retaliated. I wasnt trying to defend rolan but attack intuenso for that.Going for generic lurker-pushing. inteuniso, who do you think is more credible here?Unvote
I think dorf is more credible. While he does seem to be quite reactive, he is scumhunting and helping out the town. Rolan7 is lurking and not answering any questions. While I don't want to bandwagon, he is being extremely scummy.
OK then, I vote Rolan7.Again, you vote him for 'lurking' and random voting GG is scummy? hmmm....
He has lurked, and he has only retaliated, besides rv'ing Glyphgryph.
Unvote.Fair enough, I'm not satisfied with that post alone however. Nothing to scummy or townie with that post.
Alright Rolan7. You have been scumhunting and not lurking.
However, Errol, you seem to have voted for me for no reason. Would you care to explain why?
Before my pressure-post on Rolan7, ExKirby was showing his "hyper-aggression" on Rolan7 that was pretty weak. After my post he agrees with me:There's a differecne between over-attacking and hyper agression. I didn't say anything about agreeing with you-I just said you were doing a good job.Well, with THAT hunk of evidene, I don't need extra pressure added. Nice job, dorf.YOU should have done this, when you were pathetically attacking him.
But instead you agree with me 100% and won't even consider Rolan7's reply?! How come I'm any more pro-town than he is?
Luckily GG addressed this early-on:I'm pretty sure Rolan was overdone on your behalf. Making someone slip up over a long period is making them slip up short term, just bacuase they needed to handle a large amount. Half of this is fluff, you know.Exkirby, why did you give up questioning Rolan so easily?
You ask him questions, he gives crappy responses, and then... you jump to Errol? Citing that pressing him won't help short term? If you think he's scum, you push till he breaks or you're sure he isn't scum. Especially if his answers haven't been good enough.
So, why is it? Do you no longer think he's scum? Would you rather let someone else pressure him instead of you? Were you satisfied with his answers?Not satisfied, more annoyed. I figured that if he kept up giving answers like he did, I wouldn't have much of a read on him. So, I decided to try to get reads on other people.SCUM ALERT!
WHAT?! You stopped questioning him because of his inadequate answers?
This is the time, when you should pressure him even harder, not back off!
I think he proved he's more than willing to give proper answers, so why not take this opportunity to ask him the questions you, apparently, had in mind for him?
Is it not better to have two probable scum than to have one definate scum? If I can get both talking, I can find scumtells on both. However, I don't have a double vote.So, I decided to try to get reads on other people.You just shown you are inefficient at scumhunting or just plain uninterested in a Mafia lynch.
In both cases you exude scumminess!
That was just to get him talking. Duh.@Errol-My bad. I'm not that phychic, so... my bad. Anyway, while my vote's on you, why did you want to give Rolan the "Benefit of the doubt"? Doubt is baad. Very, very baad.Because he might be town, that's why. So, by your definition, you think all attackers are automatically cleared??
ExKirby: SirBayer even asked where all the player were, to which you replied "I'm here."Hey, if I want to tell the host I'm here, I will. It's hard to be aggressive when no-one's around to agress.
If you intended to be "hyper-aggressive", where the hell is it? Seems like you thought you'll be town, but now you're afraid to give proper attacks to anyone, because you are scum.
Later on you even kid around!No-one was talking while I was doing that. I just wanted something to do. Kill me for having human emotions, why don't you.Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.While some of us are trying to ACTUALLY be aggressive, you show no such signs.
All of this has been answered above, so I'm not even gonna bother.My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.No. It's your turn now.
You haven't been useful AT ALL so far, so let's MAKE you useful. Tell us why have you been passive? Why do you post just to post? Where did all the promised aggressiveness went? And, if you're going to say that you just said that for the lulz, then explain how is your passiveness helping town?
Woah, so screw me for being nice and polite. I can't give Errol any more pressure if he doesn't talk. However, seeing as you seem to be turning harmless posts into scumtells, I'm gonna do the same to you. At the risk of this being classed as an OMGUS, unvote and vote dorf.I think you have some rock solid evidence there, but I want to hear from Errol before I do anything.Again! He's so agreeable and nice to everyone. He doesn't apply pressure himself. He waits for others to write the reasons for him and jump on the wagon!
I mean.. If he has rock solid evidence, why do you even have to hear from Errol? It's not likely he'll break under the lukewarm pressure you're giving him.
Errol, Halmie, neither of you see anything suspicious about ExKirby's actions so far? The fact that he's keeping up with the buddying, and still not pushing anyone, and posting an awful lot considering his surprising lack of pretty much any content?Blame my bad luck for that one. I buddy with anyone... I'm just a nice guy. Trying to be aggresive, but nice.
Thats not a quote of anything I've ever encountered. The quote that's always thrown around is the best defense is a good attack. Occasionally Attack is the best defense, and the best defense is offense.What, so by your logic, I'm scum because I defended myself? Is this some kind of co-ordinated attack against me? ...Nah, that's crazy. But still, what would your reaction be if someone were to attack you? My first guess, a devensive one. Hell, if I wasn't near-convinced of dorf's scummynesss, I would vote you.
If all you're doing is defending, then all you're doing is trying to stay alive. To deflect attacks to anyone but yourself. Interesting that this is a similiar theme in your "spread out and attack multiple people" angle. After all, it doesn't really matter who else gets taken down, does it? Since you're scum, any town will do.
...My vote's on dorf.Ack, sorry. Now I feel bad for being hard on SirBayer, lol.
Why would anyone vote for an extension when 5 out of 9 people already have?
I retain the ability to hurry the deadline for inactivity or extend the deadline if enough request it.SirBayer didn't promise to extend the day just because a slight majority requested it. Besides, posting to request an extension is less hassle than tallying up the requests. So anyone who counted the requests, found a slim majority, then didn't request the extension probably didn't want the extension much.
Thats not a quote of anything I've ever encountered. The quote that's always thrown around is the best defense is a good attack. Occasionally Attack is the best defense, and the best defense is offense.Newbies tend to defend themselves. It happens a lot, actually, and focusing on that is stupid.
If all you're doing is defending, then all you're doing is trying to stay alive. To deflect attacks to anyone but yourself. Interesting that this is a similiar theme in your "spread out and attack multiple people" angle. After all, it doesn't really matter who else gets taken down, does it? Since you're scum, any town will do.
It also seems the only one to have not voted.
Where's webbyRight here. Where are you?
It was Errol that voted me, and I didn't shower him with questions and suspicions because he actually asked me questions and tried to scum hunt (a bit). But it doesn't matter, anyways. You're the one spewing scumtells, not him. It doesn't mean he's in the clear, of course. But the fact that you're trying to divert onto someone else without even bothering to look it up and confirm reeks of scum.
Plus, if you thought Rolan was voting on me, that means you WERE lying when you said you only voted me because I had no votes. So which is?
And I didn't ignore you because I'm scumhunting. That's why. And you're vote on me was scum-shaped. Why would I ignore a scumtell? Do YOU think I should have ignored you?
Answer me this, if nothing else:
What sort of response were you actually EXPECTING from a vote with no reasoning or question?
I corrected dorf's quotes when I quoted it below. No need for him to repost the same thing reformatted (: I've added responses, of course.Maybe this is a matter of opinion, and I am just a newbie, but I think townies should never lie. Exaggerate, sure, but leave lying to the mafia. Scum *have* to lie, so if the townies agree not to lie, any exposed lie exposes a scum. That's why I considered a townie who lies to be stupid, and a detriment to their town side.I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.You certainly took dakarian's post seriously, which is good and useful for us, because you are scumhunting or at least trying to get some action going.
I will now demonstrate your technique of scumhunting (I guess?).
You twist the meaning of a sentence to suit your needs. Which is, again, good for getting other people's reactions.
Though, you went so far as to twist the meaning and then rely on that falsity you created to convict me. And that, as you've mentioned, is:A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act.(I suppose, lying or exaggerating could be a scumhunting technique, so I don't think the townie that uses it properly is stupid)
Perhaps the town IC has advice on this?He referred to "Town" in the same way I might refer to mafia. "Town is so fucked" instead of "We are so fucked". An extremely weak bit of evidence, suitable only for the RVS. To your credit, dorf, you say you might have used my argument yourself. So I'm surprised you even quoted this at me at all.
So anyway, here are some of the twists of the meanings, I was talking about:He didn't say that. He said town is fucked because of Org's randomness, hence the ^ character.Town is so fucked. ^Odd that you refer to "Town" as if you aren't part of the crew, Halmie. I finger of suspicion you to get things going.
I confess, I haven't thought much of it at the beginning, and I would have probably used that argument myself.And, I suppose, the next quote could also be justified.Moving on is great. I'm not sure why we went over those quotes at all. I asked rather silly questions in the RVS to apply pressure.Town is so fucked. ^
Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?
Vote Halmie. Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?
So let's move on.Accusing people of being mafia, without being certain, is part of applying pressure.See, the answer says you have identified me as mafia, but you provided no evidence to suggest that.I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.You sound terrified of a lynching, scum. Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote. My vote stands.Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf. Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.How does it feel, Rolan7?
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Vote dorf
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia.
You provided the evidence (and I pointed it out) when you reacted to my semi-random vote, with a completely unsupported OhMyGodUSuck vote.
Note that your vote was completely unsupported ("How does it feel Rolan7"), while I stated my purpose: to encourage you to make your first post. Almost everyone else had posted by then.You're demanding me to respond to ExKirby again? At that stage, if I had followed your lead, I would have posted "How does it feel ExKirby (vote) (PS u suck!)".Don't you know it's polite to actually adress ALL the people involved?
Without quoting me or mentioning my name, I almost didn't realize you were addressing this to me. So, I see your point about addressing people clearly, and I think we should both try to do so.I think it's fairly obvious when I post directly after you. You were at least five posts off. Care to explain?Yeah. I mean, really.
No, seriously, that's literally what you did to me (minus the PS u suck). No twisting of words here, people, just look up a few lines at the quote.
Anyway, my explanation is that I'm not up-to-date on forum etiquette. Since that post, I've tried to include plenty of quotes to make my posts unambiguous.What you say is true, and my words you quoted are true. I don't see an issue.If a townie is to be lynched on the first day, it might as well be me, but I'd much rather we lynch a mafia member instead. So I'm going to defend myself.
You only had two votes and the Day had only begun. And seeing how SirBayer admitted to have miscounted the votes, you could have been tied.
I was getting a little frustrated, I think because other people were accusing me of lurking of all things. Accusations I ironically answered quickly.You'll have to point out which of my claims lacked evidence.Your evidence was nonexistent.Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.
I am a newbie, but I have quoted evidence to support every single one of my claims. I am not an "overeager newbie" for pressuring people on day one, or for random voting. I unvoted my random vote as soon as I had a lead.1) I still think it's obvious that calling a newbie overeager will encourage him/her/it to lurk.Isn't it obvious that by calling us newbies overeager, you're encouraging us to lurk? I'm *sure* you know that lurking is anti-town. So why are you trying this?The definition of 'eager' isQuote from: answers.comIN BRIEF: Wanting very much to do something; having or showing an impatient or enthusiastic desire.And 'overeager' means to be excessively eager.
I only pointed out a fact. I don't know where you got the lurking part from.
2) Lurking townies are bad for town.
3) So calling newbies overeager is bad for town.
Which statement(s) do you disagree with?
Particularly in that early stage, players didn't need to provide hardly any support for their claims. There's so little to go on! There is only evidence now because scumhunters like me have forced people to respond.What a coincidence. You cut the justification out of my quote. Here, I'll fix that:You quote this OMGUS below, yet you provide absolutely no justification of your vote. Just like when you first made it. And it is not a random vote, as you claim,"How does it feel, <nickname>?"
I see. Not characteristic of a RVS at all.And it is not a random vote, as you claim, because you do it in direct response to me random voting you.Did you vote me randomly from any list of players? No, you voted me because I voted you.I assumed you were mad, because you OMGUS voted me, with no justification, in the form of a snarky comment. Maybe "vengeful" or "petty" would have been a better term on my part?Feel free to elaborate on my "weird"ness. Until then, you're just mad that I randomly voted you.First off, I elaborated IN THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH. Secondly, where do you see this mad dorf?My one silly argument so far is in this post, where I mock you by asking if I should have said "How does it feel ExKirby (vote) (PS u suck!)". I considered removing it, but I believe it illustrates the hypocrisy of your demand that I answer ExKirby better.Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you? So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.No, I said that you have no substantial evidence and the arguments that you're trying to use are silly.
Besides which, you mock-quoted me first: "ooh, I better find some more things to say". Hm, yet again you want people to stop saying things... wouldn't it be great for the mafia if all us newbie townies just lurked?
As for claiming I have no substantial evidence, again, you'll have to point out specific cases or you're just blowing smoke.
I really didn't believe I'd find so many of these quotes of you twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing.
I'm not sure what your deal is. Sometimes you DO understand what is happening. Sometimes you interpret those things the way you want to. And most of the time you don't even listen (or don't care?) to explanations just to get your twisted point across.
Try not to look for alternative meanings. Often, there aren't any.
A nice conclusion, yet it falls flat. You have failed to point out even one case of me "twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing" after I random voted you. You still haven't explained or even denied your own dishonesty.
How's this for a conclusion:
I demonstrated your dishonesty and anti-town behavior, you failed to invalidate my arguments (mostly by ignoring them), therefore you're scum.
Technical note: I included dorf's entire (repaired) post. I remembered that the moderator wants bold text reserved for catching his attention, so I tried various colors... nothing worked besides blue and red. Either invisible or basically black. So, uh, I used the Impact font. Hope that's alright (: Also note that I would like some strategy advice on townie lying, I noted that part with Impact also.
Final comment for tonight:
We now have 12 hours left! 10:00 for you Pacificans, 13:00 for those of us on the east coast. Don't delay, act now, supplies are running out! Everyone needs to review their votes tomorrow. If you truly believe a better case has been mounted than my case against dorf, by all means, cast your vote. I will be checking for such a case an hour before the deadline. Whoever you vote for though, it is your duty as a crewmember to vote! If you vote nolynch, you're just letting the spies kill us in our sleep. There is risk, but the alternative is a sure death.
That's not bold, it's 12-pt Comic Sans MS. So there.
There is no reason to lie in this particular mafia about most things. Perhaps if you are looking for a particular scumtell. Anyhow, do not lie as town.
So, let's leave those mafia alone for now.There is no reason to lie in this particular mafia about most things. Perhaps if you are looking for a particular scumtell. Anyhow, do not lie as town.
Yeah, but sometimes its good in other mafias. Not in this one.
So, let's leave those mafia alone for now.There is no reason to lie in this particular mafia about most things. Perhaps if you are looking for a particular scumtell. Anyhow, do not lie as town.
Yeah, but sometimes its good in other mafias. Not in this one.
Halmie, your suspicion list lists persons at position 2, 6 and 9 for the same explanation. Could you please be a little less brief? There's got to be a reason why the people got listed at wildly different positions for the same reason. At the moment, you are not transparent enough.
So Halmie, why is that he got top spot on your list, while other people who've posted already only got a no good read description?
Thanks for your answer, Errol. I was just suspicious as to why you voted me.
UnvoteIt also seems the only one to have not voted.
Yes, you have, Akigagak. And no one has seemed to have put a lot of pressure on you to explain why you STILL have not.
Also, it seems that not only have you not voted, you haven't even really scumhunted.
Explain yourself.
I have a question. Can RL excuses be scumtells? Especially the long, elaborated ones?Um... sometimes. Usually when someone says that they'll post later and then never do. But, that's about it.
No. Don't vote him. Strategically, the plan is simple - if anyone forces a no-lynch, they are scum.
Technically, Dorf could and say he just wants to prevent us from making a mistake, but if he's a townie he wouldn't want to - it means we'd waste tomorrow trying to kill him for forcing a no-lynch, and then we'd lose TWO lynches instead of just one.
So the situation as it stands is fine, since identifying mafia IS worth a no-lynch, and its likely that any forced no-lynch will be by a mafia member at this point.
Editted for font. Not against any rules because I'm technically not playing.[/font]
Dakarian, that can't be right. I changed my vote to dorf early on. SirBayer made the same mistake, I wonder why.
Errol has already voted.
Did you mean me?
Because we just don't care.
I just remembered! Dorf tried to vote ExKirby but didn't unvote first.Oops. Unvote. Vote ExKirby.
I just remembered! Dorf tried to vote ExKirby but didn't unvote first.Oops. Unvote. Vote ExKirby.
No need for you to say the bolded text. We all know it happens.I just remembered! Dorf tried to vote ExKirby but didn't unvote first.Oops. Unvote. Vote ExKirby.
Wow.
Ok, while I sort of did call this, I never thought he would actually *do* it after I called it.
If he turns out to be town then I will probably avoid playing with him in the future. Is that wrong? So much of his behavior has been anti-town.
Of course I fully expect him to be mafia and I will then congratulate him on fighting valiantly to the bitter end.
I just remembered! Dorf tried to vote ExKirby but didn't unvote first.Oops. Unvote. Vote ExKirby.
Of course, if I am scum, none of that will happen.Sorry, that doesn't make sense. When I was writing my first draft of that post, I wrote how Rolan7 will seem scummy after my lynch, and how he will pay the price.
If he turns out to be town then I will probably avoid playing with him in the future. Is that wrong? So much of his behavior has been anti-town.
Of course, if I am scum, none of that will happen. But if I *am* town, then my sacrifice will not be in vain.
Of course, if I am scum, none of that will happen.Sorry, that doesn't make sense. When I was writing my first draft of that post, I wrote how Rolan7 will seem scummy after my lynch, and how he will pay the price.
Well then... Before I'm lynched, I'd just like to know the answer to why Rolan7 doesn't want play with me anymore.
And I hope that that was only a game statement and not something he is serious about.
Remember.. It's just a game. :)
@SirBayer
Man, I forgot the joys of trying to get into classes. Keep fighting!
Also, if you can't get in a class, consider going to the teacher who's running it. Teachers CAN override and let you in anyway if you can convince them. I had to do that for one of my english classes since the teacher running it was the ONE teacher who actually tried to TEACH you anything and help you complete assignments rather than go on their own tangent while the class fails.
On topic:
Dorf[2]: Rolan7, ExKirby,
GlyphGryph[1]: Therion
Akigagak[1]: inteuniso,
ExKirby[2]: GlyphGryph, dorf,
inteuniso[1]: Errol,
Therion[1]: Halmie,
Deadline: 3pm PST
3 hours remaining unless I'm THAT bad with time zones.
AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA.Shush you
Carry on.
Oh. Wow.This is called praising. It's congratulating the scum on a nice Night. It's very scummy.
Just.
Wow.
This has to be the worst town day 1 in BM history, for sure - we end up lucky enough to get two power roles, and lose them immediately. Since the possible scum roles are only roleblocker/godfather, and there's a max of two town roles... the rest of this game is pure vanilla.
I mean, I didn't think there was a huge chance of dorf being scum - high enough to lynch him rather than no-lynching, especially with that last minute no-lynch vote switch without an argument, but arghhh. I'd say he should have claimed, but I'm honestly not sure if it would have saved him.
Now we have a tough road... time to look back over the previous day with new eyes.
Yeah, pretty much.Because that relies on PRs winning your game.
I might no be here for the rest of the day. Axis and Allies.
@Dak:Why dont you use Vigilantes?
Goddamnit.
However, we still possess the democratic role of VOTING.
We can win!
For the matter, I notice Akigagak hasn't been posting much, and most of it were excuses for being away. This is all nice and dandy, but we're here to play a game, not to make excuses.
Also, I need people for Aztec Mafia.
Just saying.
There's no reason for the town to become resigned to losing - honestly, I've never known a doctor to actually save someone in BM, and the cop usually causes more trouble by cofirming godfathers and such as town than he offers as an advantage.
Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.
My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.
Thats not a quote of anything I've ever encountered. The quote that's always thrown around is the best defense is a good attack. Occasionally Attack is the best defense, and the best defense is offense.What, so by your logic, I'm scum because I defended myself? Is this some kind of co-ordinated attack against me? ...Nah, that's crazy. But still, what would your reaction be if someone were to attack you? My first guess, a devensive one. Hell, if I wasn't near-convinced of dorf's scummynesss, I would vote you.
If all you're doing is defending, then all you're doing is trying to stay alive. To deflect attacks to anyone but yourself. Interesting that this is a similiar theme in your "spread out and attack multiple people" angle. After all, it doesn't really matter who else gets taken down, does it? Since you're scum, any town will do.
...dorf. Although I'm in favour for nice agressive attacks, I prefer to SPREAD my attacks until I find a slip, then keep on ramming it repeatedly. If you spread it out, you get a nice, balanced ownage. After reading through your text wall, then Rolan's, I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me.
You blew what I believed to be your pro-townieness with this.
Bandwagoning.Looks like we went from Begginer Mafia to Vanilla Mafia in the sapce of a day. If they have a Roleblock/Godfather, they are now deemed useless (unless we have more than two power townies). I'll have to think this one through.
How would you know if they had a roleblocker/godfather?...You sure you're talking about the same person as I am?
You wrote Therion, put it in red, and spelled it correctly... which is surprising due to your large amounts of misspellings, scumbucket.
Was I too good? :'(
Anyways, I'm going to jump on ExKirby.I'll admit I overlooked that post.
While his one comment about Therion is most certainly scummy, there are other crimes he hast commited.
Lies. My vote was on Errol. I was waiting for a response.Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.
Instead of scumhunting, messing around. At this time you did not have a vote on anyone.
I thought I already said that I buddy with anyone. In fact, I don't see any buddying.My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.
You buddied with me here. Care to explain why, scum?
Thats not a quote of anything I've ever encountered. The quote that's always thrown around is the best defense is a good attack. Occasionally Attack is the best defense, and the best defense is offense.What, so by your logic, I'm scum because I defended myself? Is this some kind of co-ordinated attack against me? ...Nah, that's crazy. But still, what would your reaction be if someone were to attack you? My first guess, a devensive one. Hell, if I wasn't near-convinced of dorf's scummynesss, I would vote you.
If all you're doing is defending, then all you're doing is trying to stay alive. To deflect attacks to anyone but yourself. Interesting that this is a similiar theme in your "spread out and attack multiple people" angle. After all, it doesn't really matter who else gets taken down, does it? Since you're scum, any town will do.
Yes. If, by bandwagonning, you mean putting in some solid evidence....dorf. Although I'm in favour for nice agressive attacks, I prefer to SPREAD my attacks until I find a slip, then keep on ramming it repeatedly. If you spread it out, you get a nice, balanced ownage. After reading through your text wall, then Rolan's, I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me.
Bandwagoning on dorf.
I don't. That's why I used the word IF.You blew what I believed to be your pro-townieness with this.I'd like to see your backup for this one.
Bandwagoning.QuoteLooks like we went from Begginer Mafia to Vanilla Mafia in the sapce of a day. If they have a Roleblock/Godfather, they are now deemed useless (unless we have more than two power townies). I'll have to think this one through.
How would you know if they had a roleblocker/godfather?
...You sure you're talking about the same person as I am?
You guys really should start talking. I mean, we're in a bad position in which scum is most likely to win, and there are currently 4 votes. 4!
Goddamn you guys, we can't scumhunt by ourselves! We need help!
Anyways, I'm going to jump on ExKirby.I'll admit I overlooked that post.
While his one comment about Therion is most certainly scummy, there are other crimes he hast commited.
Lies. My vote was on Errol. I was waiting for a response.Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.
Instead of scumhunting, messing around. At this time you did not have a vote on anyone.
I thought I already said that I buddy with anyone. In fact, I don't see any buddying.[/quote]My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.
You buddied with me here. Care to explain why, scum?
Thats not a quote of anything I've ever encountered. The quote that's always thrown around is the best defense is a good attack. Occasionally Attack is the best defense, and the best defense is offense.What, so by your logic, I'm scum because I defended myself? Is this some kind of co-ordinated attack against me? ...Nah, that's crazy. But still, what would your reaction be if someone were to attack you? My first guess, a devensive one. Hell, if I wasn't near-convinced of dorf's scummynesss, I would vote you.
If all you're doing is defending, then all you're doing is trying to stay alive. To deflect attacks to anyone but yourself. Interesting that this is a similiar theme in your "spread out and attack multiple people" angle. After all, it doesn't really matter who else gets taken down, does it? Since you're scum, any town will do.
Yes. If, by bandwagonning, you mean putting in some solid evidence.[/quote]...dorf. Although I'm in favour for nice agressive attacks, I prefer to SPREAD my attacks until I find a slip, then keep on ramming it repeatedly. If you spread it out, you get a nice, balanced ownage. After reading through your text wall, then Rolan's, I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me.
Bandwagoning on dorf.
You blew what I believed to be your pro-townieness with this.I'd like to see your backup for this one.[/quote]
Bandwagoning.
...You sure you're talking about the same person as I am?
You wrote Therion, put it in red, and spelled it correctly... which is surprising due to your large amounts of misspellings, scumbucket.
Hey, I overlook a post. So? Oh, and seeing as you accused me of bandwagonning, I think I have the right to. Seeing as a bandwagon is a third vote, and mine was second, your defention is wrong. Especially when I had the best evidence against him. I'm not afraid of you or your silly little lies. Scrap the lurker. I'm going full on you, inteuniso.
Seeing as a bandwagon is a third vote, and mine was second, your defention is wrong. Especially when I had the best evidence against him.
Rolan7, why so overpanicking on a random question?Admittedly, getting justifications for votes is a decent start at scumhunting, so maybe not a scumtell in and of itself. But then backs off, lets someone else take over - finding scum just doesn't seem to be something he's interested in.
Well, with THAT hunk of evidene, I don't need extra pressure added. Nice job, dorf.
We are all very unlucky in this BM, I have to say. Aside from that... nothing.?
My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.This reeks of buddying, AND passing the responsibility onto the other person. Instead of saying "we need to get him to talk" why didn't you, you know, actually do something to try making him talk?
I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me. I would vote you and add a wall of text if it weren't for the fact that I have to go to school now.Worse, you simultaneously try to make yourself look better, as if you have a wall of text your just rearing to post against this person you JUST said you think is town, but you're not going to post it? What. the. hell?
What, so by your logic, I'm scum because I defended myself? Is this some kind of co-ordinated attack against me? ...Nah, that's crazy. But still, what would your reaction be if someone were to attack you? My first guess, a devensive one. Hell, if I wasn't near-convinced of dorf's scummynesss, I would vote you.
You blew what I believed to be your pro-townieness with this.
...I really can't find anything to cancel out in that statement.is supposed to mean. What did *you* do against dorf? What evidence did *you* have? My case against dorf was practically solo up until the last moment of the extension! I don't even know what you're saying here.
Yes, anyone can. However, I was tho only one who did against DORF.
I was the one with the most evidence on dorf. I figured it couldn't hurt to add more to.
Well, with THAT hunk of evidene, I don't need extra pressure added. Nice job, dorf.GlyphGryph called you out on it.
I'm here. And Errol has gone quiet again. Best Day 1 ever.
We are all very unlucky in this BM, I have to say. Aside from that... nothing.
Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.
My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.
I think you have some rock solid evidence there, but I want to hear from Errol before I do anything.
There sure is a lot of evidence and pressure on ExKirby, so I fear if I chime in I won't be able to make a difference (read: huge honking wall of text), and, at worst, it will look like a bandwagon, so I believe I should stay on my target.
Aaaaand the deadline was today but my internet was dead.
You get 'till 10 PST tomorrow - AM.
I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?
I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?... Really?
I know. I face-palmed too.I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?... Really?
Really?
Second, but what's your point?So you have a flavor role?
THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.
Goddamnit.
However, we still possess the democratic role of VOTING.
We can win!
Therion, why do you think Halmie was killed?And then:
Therion, damn it, I have a question on you. Get in here, scumhunt, vote, and answer.
You've seemed scummy as hell since day one with your oh-so-obvious "How many scum could their possible be in this game? I totally don't know and thus could not be scum! Let's no-lynch now!" opening posts, and the amount of lurking you've done combined with the lack of content or any attempt to hunt when you DO show up is pretty damning. I'm tempted to make this post a tirade against you instead of an argument against exkirby - honestly, I think you're the two scummiest players here, and there are two scum. So unless you want my vote on you tomorrow, start talking.
Why were you so eager to get dorf lynched at Day 1? Overeager, even. It reads like an exaggerated personal vendetta.Did I really go after dorf too hard? He was a liar, he even tried to justify lying instead of denying it. I got mad and I'm sorry, but regardless my case was strong. Do you disagree?
On Day 2, you go on to lynch ExKirby due to... not doing his quote tags properly. Oh, and you went into straight-out lynching mode very, very early, perusing other people's arguments, too. This means you accuse him of using other people's arguments... while you are no better.Haha, what?
What you pulled there is called a "Toony Tunnel", and is not pro-town. Unless it hits scum, which is a large gamble.I've completed my defense, but I want to respond to this because it's a pet peeve of mine.
Scumtells don't mean anything if you don't regard them with a bit of distance, which is not given if you bullcharge your target that much."Bullcharging" sounds like applying pressure, which is scumhunting rule 1. I didn't lie, and I cited evidence for my claims.
You call it scumhunting, but it is mob justice. Finding a "witch" and then lynching him/her no matter what.
Day 3, you waste everyone's time with the highly sketchy idea of a "massclaim", which, in the form you gave us, has too many flaws to actually work. Time zones, unproven assumptions about the scum's role PMs, the fact it's close to impossible to get people to post at the same time, Therion lurking, and that the results are far from reliable in the very end.
So, the whole game, you have been a liability at best, and only succeeded in lynching townies with extreme prejudice.
This leaves me convinced that you are scum, Rolan7, and you must die.
Why were you so eager to get dorf lynched at Day 1? Overeager, even. It reads like an exaggerated personal vendetta.Did I really go after dorf too hard? He was a liar, he even tried to justify lying instead of denying it. I got mad and I'm sorry, but regardless my case was strong. Do you disagree?
On Day 2, you go on to lynch ExKirby due to... not doing his quote tags properly. Oh, and you went into straight-out lynching mode very, very early, perusing other people's arguments, too. This means you accuse him of using other people's arguments... while you are no better.Haha, what?
Look at page 17 people:
1) Inteuniso made a strong case against ExKirby, accusing him of bandwaggoning without any real scumhunting.
2) GlyphGryph also makes a strong case, additionally accusing him of buddying with me. Which was true, he did.
3) You swing by and say "geee, those arguments look great, but I'm not going to support them with a vote because I don't want to look suspicious. Don't suspect me guys! Certainly don't expect me to help scumhunt, I'll just leave my vote on... someone..."
4) Akigagak votes me for inactivity, which was 100% understandable. Lurking is scummy!
5) I stop feeling depressed about Day 1 and start contributing again.
6) I agree with GlyphGryph and Inteuniso's arguments against ExKirby, so I find and quote evidence that supports them. ExKirby and I get into a back and forth.
7) Looking back, ExKirby's defence still looks scummy. He just tends to lurk, his buddying with me was a while ago, and then he makes unsupported attacks.
8 ) In addition to supporting the strong arguments against ExKirby, I feel like I should add an argument, so I complain about his confusing misuse of quote tags. They really did make things confusing.
In conclusion, "On Day 2, you go on to lynch ExKirby due to... not doing his quote tags properly." is completely incorrect. Why'd you say it?
What you pulled there is called a "Toony Tunnel", and is not pro-town. Unless it hits scum, which is a large gamble.I've completed my defense, but I want to respond to this because it's a pet peeve of mine.
My strategy, whatever comic name you assign to it, was either good or bad *in the context of what I knew at the time*. I made arguments that are just as correct now as they were when I made them. Dorf and ExKirby acted scummy. I argued that they were the most scummy players at the time. This is all true.
For example, if I made a random vote today and happened to vote scum, that doesn't change the fact that I'm stupid for random voting.
Sorry, pet peeve.
Scumtells don't mean anything if you don't regard them with a bit of distance, which is not given if you bullcharge your target that much."Bullcharging" sounds like applying pressure, which is scumhunting rule 1. I didn't lie, and I cited evidence for my claims.
You call it scumhunting, but it is mob justice. Finding a "witch" and then lynching him/her no matter what.
I demonstrated that dorf was a liar. No one else provided such a strong argument in day 1. But I felt I was acting alone, so I waited for others to make arguments first in day 2. When I heard arguments I agreed with, I added my support. Support being citations and further arguments, not just a vote.
Day 3, you waste everyone's time with the highly sketchy idea of a "massclaim", which, in the form you gave us, has too many flaws to actually work. Time zones, unproven assumptions about the scum's role PMs, the fact it's close to impossible to get people to post at the same time, Therion lurking, and that the results are far from reliable in the very end.
At least I tried something, right? "Wasted people's time?" No one was posting! At all! Day 3, our most desperate hour, started two days ago and only now are you participating.
[/quote]So, the whole game, you have been a liability at best, and only succeeded in lynching townies with extreme prejudice.
This leaves me convinced that you are scum, Rolan7, and you must die.
If I had been scum, I wouldn't have posted. Like you and therion. By your own logic you'd pass me over to scumhunt inteuniso and akigagak, right?
Inteuniso, this is desperate, so I'm going to assume you're town.
That leaves two out of Akigagak, Therion, and Errol, and me.
If I'm scum, I'd pick a townie out of that list to lynch. So you pick instead, Akigagak Therion or Errol, and I'll vote with you.
I never called him an asshole. He's not an asshole. He just acted like scum, lying and OMGUS voting. I guess that makes him a bad player, though I'm not much better. This is *beginner* mafia after all.Why were you so eager to get dorf lynched at Day 1? Overeager, even. It reads like an exaggerated personal vendetta.Did I really go after dorf too hard? He was a liar, he even tried to justify lying instead of denying it. I got mad and I'm sorry, but regardless my case was strong. Do you disagree?
I agree dorf was an asshole, but you had clear tunnel vision. Focusing ONLY on him, from pretty much the beginning. If you pound someone long enough, he WILL crack, no matter if he actually is scum or town. Therefore, your course of action was not productive AT ALL.
It's still not the reason I voted ExKirby. And I didn't "lynch" him, by the way, I participated in a lynch that I didn't initiate.On Day 2, you go on to lynch ExKirby due to... not doing his quote tags properly. Oh, and you went into straight-out lynching mode very, very early, perusing other people's arguments, too. This means you accuse him of using other people's arguments... while you are no better.Haha, what?
Look at page 17 people:
1) Inteuniso made a strong case against ExKirby, accusing him of bandwaggoning without any real scumhunting.
2) GlyphGryph also makes a strong case, additionally accusing him of buddying with me. Which was true, he did.
3) You swing by and say "geee, those arguments look great, but I'm not going to support them with a vote because I don't want to look suspicious. Don't suspect me guys! Certainly don't expect me to help scumhunt, I'll just leave my vote on... someone..."
4) Akigagak votes me for inactivity, which was 100% understandable. Lurking is scummy!
5) I stop feeling depressed about Day 1 and start contributing again.
6) I agree with GlyphGryph and Inteuniso's arguments against ExKirby, so I find and quote evidence that supports them. ExKirby and I get into a back and forth.
7) Looking back, ExKirby's defence still looks scummy. He just tends to lurk, his buddying with me was a while ago, and then he makes unsupported attacks.
8 ) In addition to supporting the strong arguments against ExKirby, I feel like I should add an argument, so I complain about his confusing misuse of quote tags. They really did make things confusing.
In conclusion, "On Day 2, you go on to lynch ExKirby due to... not doing his quote tags properly." is completely incorrect. Why'd you say it?
Because that was your only original argument. And, again, tunnelvision.
You also should stop quoting my stuff out of context. The whole paragraph was my conclusion to your behavior at Day2.
Maybe I focused too hard on dorf on day 1. But I can't pressure everyone, and I shouldn't have to, because there are other townies doing their own scumhunting. A majority of the town found my case against dorf to be stronger than the other cases. You voted dorf too. Remember?What you pulled there is called a "Toony Tunnel", and is not pro-town. Unless it hits scum, which is a large gamble.I've completed my defense, but I want to respond to this because it's a pet peeve of mine.
My strategy, whatever comic name you assign to it, was either good or bad *in the context of what I knew at the time*. I made arguments that are just as correct now as they were when I made them. Dorf and ExKirby acted scummy. I argued that they were the most scummy players at the time. This is all true.
For example, if I made a random vote today and happened to vote scum, that doesn't change the fact that I'm stupid for random voting.
Sorry, pet peeve.
The Toony Tunnel is called that way because of certain things ToonyMan did. Pay the name no heed. But "Tunnel" hints at "tunnel-vision". Which you should avoid.
Yes, both of them were scummy. But I've made my own experiences with blindly pressing "scummy" people. No good experiences.
Often those who don't look scummy at first glance are the real scum. Again, you need to double-think your actions.
Don't criticize me for scumhunting. Perform a better scumhunt on someone else, so we have choices.Scumtells don't mean anything if you don't regard them with a bit of distance, which is not given if you bullcharge your target that much."Bullcharging" sounds like applying pressure, which is scumhunting rule 1. I didn't lie, and I cited evidence for my claims.
You call it scumhunting, but it is mob justice. Finding a "witch" and then lynching him/her no matter what.
I demonstrated that dorf was a liar. No one else provided such a strong argument in day 1. But I felt I was acting alone, so I waited for others to make arguments first in day 2. When I heard arguments I agreed with, I added my support. Support being citations and further arguments, not just a vote.
As said before... too much pressure makes any egg crack.
I admit it was desperate even before you and Akigagak sabotaged it by claiming individually.Day 3, you waste everyone's time with the highly sketchy idea of a "massclaim", which, in the form you gave us, has too many flaws to actually work. Time zones, unproven assumptions about the scum's role PMs, the fact it's close to impossible to get people to post at the same time, Therion lurking, and that the results are far from reliable in the very end.
At least I tried something, right? "Wasted people's time?" No one was posting! At all! Day 3, our most desperate hour, started two days ago and only now are you participating.
Yes, but your plan was absolutely harebrained - like everything you have done so far - no thought at all!
Ok I guess I'm wrong then ):
I don't see how yet though.
This day has to end with all 5 votes on one person, except that person's own vote. Any other combination may allow scum to cause a tie.
Take this situation:
Players 1 and 5 are scum.
Players 1,2 and 3 vote for player 5.
At the last moment, players 1 and 5 vote for player 3. No lynch, nightkill, game.
So we have to all vote for someone if we're going to have a chance.
We need Therion's vote too, if he's town.
Yes, right, I'm suspicious because I'm trying to mobilize this dead town. Just like a townie would do, oh ho ho, little do you know I switched the glasses, give me a break.So, the whole game, you have been a liability at best, and only succeeded in lynching townies with extreme prejudice.
This leaves me convinced that you are scum, Rolan7, and you must die.
If I had been scum, I wouldn't have posted. Like you and therion. By your own logic you'd pass me over to scumhunt inteuniso and akigagak, right?
It is a scum tactic to lead the horde, so to speak. This evades suspicion, no?
Inteuniso, this is desperate, so I'm going to assume you're town.
That leaves two out of Akigagak, Therion, and Errol, and me.
If I'm scum, I'd pick a townie out of that list to lynch. So you pick instead, Akigagak Therion or Errol, and I'll vote with you.
Blank check to vote whoever inteuniso, who you foolishly assume as town? AND THEN volunteering to not cast the deciding vote?
WTF is this?
I never called him an asshole. He's not an asshole. He just acted like scum, lying and OMGUS voting. I guess that makes him a bad player, though I'm not much better. This is *beginner* mafia after all.Why were you so eager to get dorf lynched at Day 1? Overeager, even. It reads like an exaggerated personal vendetta.Did I really go after dorf too hard? He was a liar, he even tried to justify lying instead of denying it. I got mad and I'm sorry, but regardless my case was strong. Do you disagree?
I agree dorf was an asshole, but you had clear tunnel vision. Focusing ONLY on him, from pretty much the beginning. If you pound someone long enough, he WILL crack, no matter if he actually is scum or town. Therefore, your course of action was not productive AT ALL.
It's still not the reason I voted ExKirby. And I didn't "lynch" him, by the way, I participated in a lynch that I didn't initiate.On Day 2, you go on to lynch ExKirby due to... not doing his quote tags properly. Oh, and you went into straight-out lynching mode very, very early, perusing other people's arguments, too. This means you accuse him of using other people's arguments... while you are no better.Haha, what?
Look at page 17 people:
1) Inteuniso made a strong case against ExKirby, accusing him of bandwaggoning without any real scumhunting.
2) GlyphGryph also makes a strong case, additionally accusing him of buddying with me. Which was true, he did.
3) You swing by and say "geee, those arguments look great, but I'm not going to support them with a vote because I don't want to look suspicious. Don't suspect me guys! Certainly don't expect me to help scumhunt, I'll just leave my vote on... someone..."
4) Akigagak votes me for inactivity, which was 100% understandable. Lurking is scummy!
5) I stop feeling depressed about Day 1 and start contributing again.
6) I agree with GlyphGryph and Inteuniso's arguments against ExKirby, so I find and quote evidence that supports them. ExKirby and I get into a back and forth.
7) Looking back, ExKirby's defence still looks scummy. He just tends to lurk, his buddying with me was a while ago, and then he makes unsupported attacks.
8 ) In addition to supporting the strong arguments against ExKirby, I feel like I should add an argument, so I complain about his confusing misuse of quote tags. They really did make things confusing.
In conclusion, "On Day 2, you go on to lynch ExKirby due to... not doing his quote tags properly." is completely incorrect. Why'd you say it?
Because that was your only original argument. And, again, tunnelvision.
You also should stop quoting my stuff out of context. The whole paragraph was my conclusion to your behavior at Day2.
I didn't *need* an original argument to vote ExKirby, the existing arguments were strong enough, particularly after I supported them with quotes.
Maybe I focused too hard on dorf on day 1. But I can't pressure everyone, and I shouldn't have to, because there are other townies doing their own scumhunting. A majority of the town found my case against dorf to be stronger than the other cases. You voted dorf too. Remember?What you pulled there is called a "Toony Tunnel", and is not pro-town. Unless it hits scum, which is a large gamble.I've completed my defense, but I want to respond to this because it's a pet peeve of mine.
My strategy, whatever comic name you assign to it, was either good or bad *in the context of what I knew at the time*. I made arguments that are just as correct now as they were when I made them. Dorf and ExKirby acted scummy. I argued that they were the most scummy players at the time. This is all true.
For example, if I made a random vote today and happened to vote scum, that doesn't change the fact that I'm stupid for random voting.
Sorry, pet peeve.
The Toony Tunnel is called that way because of certain things ToonyMan did. Pay the name no heed. But "Tunnel" hints at "tunnel-vision". Which you should avoid.
Yes, both of them were scummy. But I've made my own experiences with blindly pressing "scummy" people. No good experiences.
Often those who don't look scummy at first glance are the real scum. Again, you need to double-think your actions.
Don't criticize me for scumhunting. Perform a better scumhunt on someone else, so we have choices.Scumtells don't mean anything if you don't regard them with a bit of distance, which is not given if you bullcharge your target that much."Bullcharging" sounds like applying pressure, which is scumhunting rule 1. I didn't lie, and I cited evidence for my claims.
You call it scumhunting, but it is mob justice. Finding a "witch" and then lynching him/her no matter what.
I demonstrated that dorf was a liar. No one else provided such a strong argument in day 1. But I felt I was acting alone, so I waited for others to make arguments first in day 2. When I heard arguments I agreed with, I added my support. Support being citations and further arguments, not just a vote.
As said before... too much pressure makes any egg crack.
I admit it was desperate even before you and Akigagak sabotaged it by claiming individually.Day 3, you waste everyone's time with the highly sketchy idea of a "massclaim", which, in the form you gave us, has too many flaws to actually work. Time zones, unproven assumptions about the scum's role PMs, the fact it's close to impossible to get people to post at the same time, Therion lurking, and that the results are far from reliable in the very end.
At least I tried something, right? "Wasted people's time?" No one was posting! At all! Day 3, our most desperate hour, started two days ago and only now are you participating.
Yes, but your plan was absolutely harebrained - like everything you have done so far - no thought at all!
"No thought at all"... well, genius, what's your input on this:
Ok I guess I'm wrong then ):
I don't see how yet though.
This day has to end with all 5 votes on one person, except that person's own vote. Any other combination may allow scum to cause a tie.
Take this situation:
Players 1 and 5 are scum.
Players 1,2 and 3 vote for player 5.
At the last moment, players 1 and 5 vote for player 3. No lynch, nightkill, game.
So we have to all vote for someone if we're going to have a chance.
We need Therion's vote too, if he's town.
Org seems to think I'm wrong, what do you think?
Yes, right, I'm suspicious because I'm trying to mobilize this dead town. Just like a townie would do, oh ho ho, little do you know I switched the glasses, give me a break.So, the whole game, you have been a liability at best, and only succeeded in lynching townies with extreme prejudice.
This leaves me convinced that you are scum, Rolan7, and you must die.
If I had been scum, I wouldn't have posted. Like you and therion. By your own logic you'd pass me over to scumhunt inteuniso and akigagak, right?
It is a scum tactic to lead the horde, so to speak. This evades suspicion, no?
As I already said, if I was scum, all I had to do was shut up and wait.
Inteuniso, this is desperate, so I'm going to assume you're town.
That leaves two out of Akigagak, Therion, and Errol, and me.
If I'm scum, I'd pick a townie out of that list to lynch. So you pick instead, Akigagak Therion or Errol, and I'll vote with you.
Blank check to vote whoever inteuniso, who you foolishly assume as town? AND THEN volunteering to not cast the deciding vote?
WTF is this?
I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.
Laughable. I've explained this three times already. Besides which, look at these responses to you confusion:I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.
"Exactly," Pan-D4R chimes in. "So if duplicates appear...." The AI leaves the rest to you.
Pan-D4R sighs. "In case scum got a role that indicates their scuminess or no such flavor role. At worst you break even."
I know. I face-palmed too.I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?... Really?
Really?
This isn't your first game, right Aki?
And you got the Mod, Sirbayer, confused with Org, a town IC.Since when do you have a case against Inteuniso? I took the liberty of searching the "print" page and found that you have done 0 scumhunting. 0. None. The closest thing was asking why I was quiet Day 2, which is funny since most of your points up to that point have been explaining away your own lurking.
Which makes me think that you aren't really paying attention anymore, as it seems that all your side had to do was get two townies, any two townies, into an argument. Which it seems you have ballsed up, explaining your new-found vigor.
My thoughts everyone but you and Inteuniso: They've been a lot less scummy over the course of the game then you two have.
Laughable. I've explained this three times already. Besides which, look at these responses to you confusion:I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first."Exactly," Pan-D4R chimes in. "So if duplicates appear...." The AI leaves the rest to you.Pan-D4R sighs. "In case scum got a role that indicates their scuminess or no such flavor role. At worst you break even."I know. I face-palmed too.I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?... Really?
Really?
This isn't your first game, right Aki?
Look, you screwed up. This is *obvious*. What I didn't know was whether you did it on purpose or by mistake. Now I know: it was a mistake, based on information only available to you as scum.
What do I mean? I mean you clearly *know* scum have "cover stories"/"fluff roles". You didn't realize that we townies didn't know this, you assumed it was common knowledge, and you used that common knowledge to argue against my claim idea because you honestly thought you caught me being stupid.
Nice try, thanks for slipping up, let's see you weasel out of this.
Unvote
Vote Akigagak
And you got the Mod, Sirbayer, confused with Org, a town IC.Since when do you have a case against Inteuniso? I took the liberty of searching the "print" page and found that you have done 0 scumhunting. 0. None. The closest thing was asking why I was quiet Day 2, which is funny since most of your points up to that point have been explaining away your own lurking.
Which makes me think that you aren't really paying attention anymore, as it seems that all your side had to do was get two townies, any two townies, into an argument. Which it seems you have ballsed up, explaining your new-found vigor.
My thoughts everyone but you and Inteuniso: They've been a lot less scummy over the course of the game then you two have.
So you have absolutely no case against Inteuniso, why FoS him? I suspect you want to take pressure off Errol, your scumbuddy. I could be wrong, but no big deal, we can just lynch you first.
Therion-replacement, Inteuniso, I suggest we lynch Akigagak first.
Remember that, as Errol has tried to hide, we need to vote together. If any townie doesn't vote along with the rest of us, scum can force a no-lynch then win.
Is it laughable that Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, and Inteuniso all understood/supported my plan? This is a waste of time.Laughable. I've explained this three times already. Besides which, look at these responses to you confusion:I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first."Exactly," Pan-D4R chimes in. "So if duplicates appear...." The AI leaves the rest to you.Pan-D4R sighs. "In case scum got a role that indicates their scuminess or no such flavor role. At worst you break even."I know. I face-palmed too.I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?... Really?
Really?
This isn't your first game, right Aki?
Look, for crying out loud, I told you how I knew that everyone got them, but I can't prove it since I can't quote PM's. What's laughable is that you keep trying to defend your nonsense plan.
Look, you screwed up. This is *obvious*. What I didn't know was whether you did it on purpose or by mistake. Now I know: it was a mistake, based on information only available to you as scum.
What do I mean? I mean you clearly *know* scum have "cover stories"/"fluff roles". You didn't realize that we townies didn't know this, you assumed it was common knowledge, and you used that common knowledge to argue against my claim idea because you honestly thought you caught me being stupid.
Nice try, thanks for slipping up, let's see you weasel out of this.
Unvote
Vote Akigagak
Do you know what, I'm not even going to bother. You clearly aren't listening. You're scum, or have got tunnel vision yet again, so there's no real point arguing with you. And if you are town, then you need to make less assumptions on who gets what in their PM's.
Since when do you have a case against Inteuniso? I took the liberty of searching the "print" page and found that you have done 0 scumhunting. 0. None. The closest thing was asking why I was quiet Day 2, which is funny since most of your points up to that point have been explaining away your own lurking.
So you have absolutely no case against Inteuniso, why FoS him? I suspect you want to take pressure off Errol, your scumbuddy. I could be wrong, but no big deal, we can just lynch you first.
Therion-replacement, Inteuniso, I suggest we lynch Akigagak first.
Remember that, as Errol has tried to hide, we need to vote together. If any townie doesn't vote along with the rest of us, scum can force a no-lynch then win.
If you are town, and either of these people are scum, then you just gave team scum an extra vote. My case against Inteuiso is mostly his lurking combined with your constant buddying with him, telling him you'll give him your vote, no matter who he votes for. How the hell do you think that doesn't look dodgy?
You think you can pull off painting me as *too passive*?
I initiated the day.
I voted therion, who I still suspect.
I FoS'd you so you'd post something. What do you post? An attack calling me too aggressive. Now you're calling me too passive.
I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.
I ought to vote you now, but first I want to know what ineuniso and Agigak think of you. And Therion's replacement, however long that takes.
Is it laughable that Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, and Inteuniso all understood/supported my plan? This is a waste of time.
As for the PM, I just don't believe you. I checked my role PM and it mentions nothing about fluff roles for scum.
We probably should stop talking about the PM's though, I think we may be breaking the spirit of the law. Particularly you, with your "I have evidence but it's hidden in my PM I can't quote" defense.
Since when do you have a case against Inteuniso? I took the liberty of searching the "print" page and found that you have done 0 scumhunting. 0. None. The closest thing was asking why I was quiet Day 2, which is funny since most of your points up to that point have been explaining away your own lurking.
So you have absolutely no case against Inteuniso, why FoS him? I suspect you want to take pressure off Errol, your scumbuddy. I could be wrong, but no big deal, we can just lynch you first.
Therion-replacement, Inteuniso, I suggest we lynch Akigagak first.
Remember that, as Errol has tried to hide, we need to vote together. If any townie doesn't vote along with the rest of us, scum can force a no-lynch then win.
If you are town, and either of these people are scum, then you just gave team scum an extra vote. My case against Inteuiso is mostly his lurking combined with your constant buddying with him, telling him you'll give him your vote, no matter who he votes for. How the hell do you think that doesn't look dodgy?
I'm done responding to your flack. Please, if you're somehow town, take some time to make a real argument against someone.
Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.
Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.
3) If you're town and don't have this mysterious proof Akigagak claims to have, you know he's lying too.
I'm not willing to consider that some townies were given this proof and others weren't. Are you?
Ah, so it was a separate PM clarifying asking for rules clarification. Thanks for clearing that up, why didn't you say so sooner? Except:Quote from: Rolan7You would've had that proof if you had asked Sirbayer about it.3) If you're town and don't have this mysterious proof Akigagak claims to have, you know he's lying too.Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.
No, I'm not. I asked Sirbayer if the fluff role was important. He said that it wasn't, and that everyone got one.
I'm not willing to consider that some townies were given this proof and others weren't. Are you?
But, as you like to point out, I can't prove it.
2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role. Anyway you cut it that's anti-team. You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.
Second, but what's your point?
THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.
I don't care if scum *might* have fluff roles. He was saying my plan *couldn't* work, because scum *might* have fluff roles. Sounds crazy right? Here's the quote:Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.
3) If you're town and don't have this mysterious proof Akigagak claims to have, you know he's lying too.
I'm not willing to consider that some townies were given this proof and others weren't. Are you?
I don't quite see how you are twisting up the fact number 1. All I can see is Akigagak suggesting that scum might have fluff roles too. While that might indicate he knows something, it is possible just as well that a) Akigagak made a wild guess or b) what he just said. He asked Bayer. I'm not sure whether something like this is actually posted in here, tho.
I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.
2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role. Anyway you cut it that's anti-team. You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.Second, but what's your point?
THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.
*sigh*You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong. SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him. I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too. Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now. I thought better of posting them.
Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum. So you claimed all by yourself. Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.
I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum. This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.
This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible. But it's still a chance to learn something. Your claim has damaged even this slim chance. Understand now?
It was against your claim that I hadn't defended myself on how I knew everybody got fluff-roles until now. notice the date and time of that post? It's from before this mess got started. You complained about me not posting a defense when there was one from BEFORE this crap got out of control.2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role. Anyway you cut it that's anti-team. You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.Second, but what's your point?
THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.
So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me. Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote.
Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Instead you claimed. Your claim was still anti-town.No, my claim was anti-bullshit. Your plan wouldn't have worked, I told you how I knew it wouldn't work, but you kept going on about it, as if it was towns last chance, when all it would have done is made public what pointless fluff roles people had gotten.
Here's what you should have quoted:*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now. I thought better of posting them.
Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum. So you claimed all by yourself. Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.
I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum. This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.
This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible. But it's still a chance to learn something. Your claim has damaged even this slim chance. Understand now?
You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong. SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him. I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too.
Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".
Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.
It was against your claim that I hadn't defended myself on how I knew everybody got fluff-roles until now. notice the date and time of that post? It's from before this mess got started. You complained about me not posting a defense when there was one from BEFORE this crap got out of control.2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role. Anyway you cut it that's anti-team. You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.Second, but what's your point?
THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.
So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me. Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote.
Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Instead you claimed. Your claim was still anti-town.No, my claim was anti-bullshit. Your plan wouldn't have worked, I told you how I knew it wouldn't work, but you kept going on about it, as if it was towns last chance, when all it would have done is made public what pointless fluff roles people had gotten.
Here's what you should have quoted:*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now. I thought better of posting them.
Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum. So you claimed all by yourself. Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.
I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum. This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.
This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible. But it's still a chance to learn something. Your claim has damaged even this slim chance. Understand now?
You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong. SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him. I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too.
Why should I have quoted that, exactly? Again, see the date and time of that post I made? Or, more specifically, notice it was only just above that one of yours that you just quoted. Those posts I made, mostly in response to the ICs, already dealt with most of these problems.
Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".
Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.
I did? You're the one who ignored/didn't see my explanation. I only responded about this crap plan of yours because I thought you had another point to make besides "You claim to know things, if you don't explain how, you must be scum"
It was against your claim that I hadn't defended myself on how I knew everybody got fluff-roles until now. notice the date and time of that post? It's from before this mess got started. You complained about me not posting a defense when there was one from BEFORE this crap got out of control.2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role. Anyway you cut it that's anti-team. You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.Second, but what's your point?
THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.
So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me. Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote.
Order of events
1) You claim SirBayer told you flavor roles do nothing (which you seem to think means scum has them)
2) I, clearly missing what you said, try to explain why the flavor roles are important because they're unique.
3) You claim that they aren't important, without citing anything, including the claim from 1.
4) Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me support the plan and try to explain it to you.
5) You have another opportunity to retort with the "PM from SirBayer", but instead sabotage the plan with a individual claim. "Since it doesn't matter". Ignoring everyone who tried to help you.
6) Errol sabotages too, then you two take turns calling me an idiot for ever considering such a stupid plan. Not Inteuniso, not Pandarsenic, not Org, not Webadict, just me.
7) You and me roughly simultaneously find your post from step 1, claiming that you privately asked the mod for rules clarification and he privately sent it to you.
I said you didn't post a defense because you didn't. I'm constantly digging up old things I said in order to defend myself. You needed to do this *once* and didn't.
Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Instead you claimed. Your claim was still anti-town.No, my claim was anti-bullshit. Your plan wouldn't have worked, I told you how I knew it wouldn't work, but you kept going on about it, as if it was towns last chance, when all it would have done is made public what pointless fluff roles people had gotten.
Dude, even if you're not lying, my plan *still* could have worked. For one thing, what are you even claiming SirBayer said. You've claimed two things separately:
1) Fluff roles are useless
2) Everyone has fluff roles including scum
Primarily 1. I've explained how my plan still would have worked even if fluff roles are "useless" as long as they're unique.
As for the second claim, it's not what you originally claimed. Your story is changing. But hey, even if SirBayer said scum has fluff roles, WHY DID YOU CLAIM A ROLE. You claimed it didn't matter, so why do it? All it did was sabotage the plan if you're wrong.
Here's what you should have quoted:*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now. I thought better of posting them.
Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum. So you claimed all by yourself. Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.
I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum. This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.
This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible. But it's still a chance to learn something. Your claim has damaged even this slim chance. Understand now?
You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong. SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him. I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too.
Why should I have quoted that, exactly? Again, see the date and time of that post I made? Or, more specifically, notice it was only just above that one of yours that you just quoted. Those posts I made, mostly in response to the ICs, already dealt with most of these problems.
Because that's a defense. Responding to my attack, which was partially invalidated by an earlier message, with a quote of that message.
I have been fending off dozens of invalid attacks from you and Errol. I do this by quoting earlier messages which demonstrate their falsity. I can't ignore the attacks just because I know they're invalid, that looks scummy.
But that's what you did here: I made a sloppy attack which was wide open for you to defend against, and you ignored the mistake which should have been obvious to you.
I think you got your lies mixed up, but that's just an opinion.Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".
Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.
I did? You're the one who ignored/didn't see my explanation. I only responded about this crap plan of yours because I thought you had another point to make besides "You claim to know things, if you don't explain how, you must be scum"
One more time:
1) I didn't see your earlier post: whoops. You didn't point out your earlier post until now: scum.
2) People who think my plan was crap:
You and Errol
People who tried to explain my plan or supported it:
Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.
Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan.
They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.
TLDR:Because they do nothing, they reveal nothing, they mean nothing.
You still haven't explained why you claimed a role.
Your story about SirBayer's PM is changing.
You ignored the IC's trying to explain my plan to you.
Well, this bears repeating:Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who haven't posted today. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.
Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan. They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.
Hey, SirBayer, do you think that I'd be abe to replace Therion, or perhaps inteuniso, so that the game can keep moving?FUCK YES
SirBayer, please tell us if fluff roles are important.
Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.
Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?
Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.
Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?
So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.
I'm also awaiting Therion's role.
Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.
Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?
So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.
I'm also awaiting Therion's role.
Yeah, I sorta gave up on the mass-claim idea when Agigagak and Errol sabotaged it. They still haven't explained why they did that. "Because it didn't matter" is a reason *not* to do something.
I'm done responding to Akigagak. I've made my case against him and he's done nothing to show me wrong. If someone wants me to respond to him, just quote his "argument" at me and I will, but I'm done tearing down his endless walls of inanity. All this pointless back and forth probably drove Therion and Inteuniso away in the first place.
When.It was against your claim that I hadn't defended myself on how I knew everybody got fluff-roles until now. notice the date and time of that post? It's from before this mess got started. You complained about me not posting a defense when there was one from BEFORE this crap got out of control.2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role. Anyway you cut it that's anti-team. You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.Second, but what's your point?
THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.
So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me. Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote.
Order of events
1) You claim SirBayer told you flavor roles do nothing (which you seem to think means scum has them)
2) I, clearly missing what you said, try to explain why the flavor roles are important because they're unique.
3) You claim that they aren't important, without citing anything, including the claim from 1.
4) Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me support the plan and try to explain it to you.
5) You have another opportunity to retort with the "PM from SirBayer", but instead sabotage the plan with a individual claim. "Since it doesn't matter". Ignoring everyone who tried to help you.
6) Errol sabotages too, then you two take turns calling me an idiot for ever considering such a stupid plan. Not Inteuniso, not Pandarsenic, not Org, not Webadict, just me.
7) You and me roughly simultaneously find your post from step 1, claiming that you privately asked the mod for rules clarification and he privately sent it to you.
I said you didn't post a defense because you didn't. I'm constantly digging up old things I said in order to defend myself. You needed to do this *once* and didn't.Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me. Instead you claimed. Your claim was still anti-town.No, my claim was anti-bullshit. Your plan wouldn't have worked, I told you how I knew it wouldn't work, but you kept going on about it, as if it was towns last chance, when all it would have done is made public what pointless fluff roles people had gotten.
Dude, even if you're not lying, my plan *still* could have worked. For one thing, what are you even claiming SirBayer said. You've claimed two things separately:
1) Fluff roles are useless
2) Everyone has fluff roles including scum
Primarily 1. I've explained how my plan still would have worked even if fluff roles are "useless" as long as they're unique.
As for the second claim, it's not what you originally claimed. Your story is changing. But hey, even if SirBayer said scum has fluff roles, WHY DID YOU CLAIM A ROLE. You claimed it didn't matter, so why do it? All it did was sabotage the plan if you're wrong.Here's what you should have quoted:*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now. I thought better of posting them.
Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum. So you claimed all by yourself. Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.
I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum. This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.
This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible. But it's still a chance to learn something. Your claim has damaged even this slim chance. Understand now?
You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong. SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him. I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too.
Why should I have quoted that, exactly? Again, see the date and time of that post I made? Or, more specifically, notice it was only just above that one of yours that you just quoted. Those posts I made, mostly in response to the ICs, already dealt with most of these problems.
Because that's a defense. Responding to my attack, which was partially invalidated by an earlier message, with a quote of that message.
I have been fending off dozens of invalid attacks from you and Errol. I do this by quoting earlier messages which demonstrate their falsity. I can't ignore the attacks just because I know they're invalid, that looks scummy.
But that's what you did here: I made a sloppy attack which was wide open for you to defend against, and you ignored the mistake which should have been obvious to you.
I think you got your lies mixed up, but that's just an opinion.Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".
Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.
I did? You're the one who ignored/didn't see my explanation. I only responded about this crap plan of yours because I thought you had another point to make besides "You claim to know things, if you don't explain how, you must be scum"
One more time:
1) I didn't see your earlier post: whoops. You didn't point out your earlier post until now: scum.
2) People who think my plan was crap:
You and Errol
People who tried to explain my plan or supported it:
Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.
Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan. They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.
TLDR:
You still haven't explained why you claimed a role.
Your story about SirBayer's PM is changing.
You ignored the IC's trying to explain my plan to you.
Well, this bears repeating:
Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan. They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.
Quote from: Rolan74) Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me support the plan and try to explain it to you.When.
Just so you guys know, in games where everyone has a specific role, even if it's flavor, it's best to post what that role is, just in case the mafia do not have a specific role.
I know. I face-palmed too.I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?... Really?
Really?
This isn't your first game, right Aki?
Ok, sure. Your assumption that I dismiss arguments before now is incorrect. As always, you're welcome to provide examples.Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.
Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?
So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.
I'm also awaiting Therion's role.
Yeah, I sorta gave up on the mass-claim idea when Agigagak and Errol sabotaged it. They still haven't explained why they did that. "Because it didn't matter" is a reason *not* to do something.
I'm done responding to Akigagak. I've made my case against him and he's done nothing to show me wrong. If someone wants me to respond to him, just quote his "argument" at me and I will, but I'm done tearing down his endless walls of inanity. All this pointless back and forth probably drove Therion and Inteuniso away in the first place.
Once again, you dismiss... well, quite a lot. For example, Akig's entire damn last post. According to you, leaving out arguments is scummy. Therefore, you act scummy.
Please point out the fallacy.
Why would you think it didn't matter? Because Akigagak claimed that SirBayer told him in private that the fluff roles "weren't important", whatever that meant? (Akigagak only later claimed that scum have fluff roles like town.)
As for the claim... well, I admit, that wasn't thought out by me, because it 'didn't matter.' I have no idea what Akigagak was doing at that point, though, or why he did what he did.
Ok, sure. Your assumption that I dismiss arguments before now is incorrect. As always, you're welcome to provide examples.Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.
Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?
So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.
I'm also awaiting Therion's role.
Yeah, I sorta gave up on the mass-claim idea when Agigagak and Errol sabotaged it. They still haven't explained why they did that. "Because it didn't matter" is a reason *not* to do something.
I'm done responding to Akigagak. I've made my case against him and he's done nothing to show me wrong. If someone wants me to respond to him, just quote his "argument" at me and I will, but I'm done tearing down his endless walls of inanity. All this pointless back and forth probably drove Therion and Inteuniso away in the first place.
Once again, you dismiss... well, quite a lot. For example, Akig's entire damn last post. According to you, leaving out arguments is scummy. Therefore, you act scummy.
Please point out the fallacy.
Do I get a cookie for pointing out the fallacy? No, everyone's just going to move on as if you aren't pulling arguments out of thin air. People believe what they're told repeatedly, so you win even though I defended myself. This is why I'm ignoring Akigagak now: he demonstrated a complete inability to make a case against me, and my responses were just boring people and giving him credibility. So now I'm ignoring him in favor of people willing to actually talk.
If you continue to sling accusation after accusation, moving on as I defeat them, then accuse me of ignoring arguments, then it's equally pointless to talk to you.
Why would you think it didn't matter? Because Akigagak claimed that SirBayer told him in private that the fluff roles "weren't important", whatever that meant? (Akigagak only later claimed that scum have fluff roles like town.)
As for the claim... well, I admit, that wasn't thought out by me, because it 'didn't matter.' I have no idea what Akigagak was doing at that point, though, or why he did what he did.
Oh, and Akigagak, I guess this post proves that I'm not ignoring Errol. You sling another handful of mud, and I demonstrate that it's cow excrement.
...But is he scum?
Seriously?
Sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'I can't here you, I can't here you' doesn't address anything.
You're so scummy it hurts.
Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).
Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?
Webby is receiving Therion's role; Inteuniso is up for replacement.IN
I don't have time for a votecount today. If possible, I would appreciate everyone reiterating their current votes after this post. If not, then I'll *sigh* trawl through the megaposts.
Gotta spoiler that crap, guys.
Please just post the same rule clarification you sent Akigagak.
Third: Stop asking these damn questions. Please. :<
And that's why I think Rolan is scum.The same could be said about you.
HE ISN'T READING, JUST POSTING.
And that's why I think Rolan is scum.
HE ISN'T READING, JUST POSTING.
Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum. So you claimed all by yourself. Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.This was a perfect opportunity for him, if he was a townie. Admit that we were right, see that I was trying to help town, and then proceed to scumhunt. Instead he escalated this into the infamous back-and-forth no one wants to read.
I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
Wait... so I can't play anymore?Hi! What's shakin', bacon?
And that's why I think Rolan is scum.
HE ISN'T READING, JUST POSTING.
An actual argument would be "IF ROLAN7 IS TOWN HE ISN'T READING, JUST POSTING. SO INSTEAD I THINK HE'S SCUM IGNORING ARGUMENTS ON PURPOSE."
You're wrong, though. I am town and I am reading, and recently I've cut back on posting (much to your chagrin).
I know SirBayer asked us to stop asking damn questions. I'm just requesting a rules clarification, I believe I have a right. Particularly since Akigagak already asked for and received the same clarification, probably.
*Why I think Akigagak is scum*
He claimed a role before claiming that scum had fluff roles.
Assuming that he is town and that SirBayer did privately tell him that scum have fluff roles, there was still absolutely no reason to claim his role. All it does is make him look scummy by vehemently opposing then sabotaging a plan which, as far as *anyone else* knew, would have provided town with information.
If he is town then this was a terrible move, yet he has defended it at any turn. Look, I even considered the possibility of him being a townie:Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum. So you claimed all by yourself. Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.This was a perfect opportunity for him, if he was a townie. Admit that we were right, see that I was trying to help town, and then proceed to scumhunt. Instead he escalated this into the infamous back-and-forth no one wants to read.
I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
He is not this dumb. He is scum.
There is an important difference. Webadict asked us to explain why we each think the other is scum. Instead of demonstrating that I was scum, Akigagak accused me of not reading the thread and posting too much. A simple insult, which no one will blame Akigagak for, even if they know it's untrue.And that's why I think Rolan is scum.
HE ISN'T READING, JUST POSTING.
An actual argument would be "IF ROLAN7 IS TOWN HE ISN'T READING, JUST POSTING. SO INSTEAD I THINK HE'S SCUM IGNORING ARGUMENTS ON PURPOSE."
Same thing worded differently. I can't really see the difference here.
A definition of "reading" and "posting" might be advantageous here. What are you meaning to say exactly?
I gave him an opportunity to admit his mistake. Even now he would be less suspicious if he admitted he made a mistake. If he's town, there's no reason for him not to admit it. If he's scum, it hurts his "Rolan7 is crazy" "case". Thus he's scum.You're wrong, though. I am town and I am reading, and recently I've cut back on posting (much to your chagrin).
I know SirBayer asked us to stop asking damn questions. I'm just requesting a rules clarification, I believe I have a right. Particularly since Akigagak already asked for and received the same clarification, probably.
*Why I think Akigagak is scum*
He claimed a role before claiming that scum had fluff roles.
Assuming that he is town and that SirBayer did privately tell him that scum have fluff roles, there was still absolutely no reason to claim his role. All it does is make him look scummy by vehemently opposing then sabotaging a plan which, as far as *anyone else* knew, would have provided town with information.
If he is town then this was a terrible move, yet he has defended it at any turn. Look, I even considered the possibility of him being a townie:Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum. So you claimed all by yourself. Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.This was a perfect opportunity for him, if he was a townie. Admit that we were right, see that I was trying to help town, and then proceed to scumhunt. Instead he escalated this into the infamous back-and-forth no one wants to read.
I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
He is not this dumb. He is scum.
This sounds like a "either me or him" situation all over again, even if he would have caved in. According to the way you presented the info, anyways. I know this isn't the truth, but one mishap - no matter how large - doesn't quite do it for me, especially in Beginner's Mafia. Prove the scummyness of Akigagak without reasonable doubt, and I'm going to be convinced.
I'm sure you aren't ignoring this, Errol. That would make you a hypocrite.Why would you think it didn't matter? Because Akigagak claimed that SirBayer told him in private that the fluff roles "weren't important", whatever that meant? (Akigagak only later claimed that scum have fluff roles like town.)
As for the claim... well, I admit, that wasn't thought out by me, because it 'didn't matter.' I have no idea what Akigagak was doing at that point, though, or why he did what he did.
If so, this implies a lot of faith in Akigagak, and a complete disregard for Pandarsenic, Webadict, and the chance to get town some information.
I demand to know why you ignored the three of us and claimed, if it "didn't matter".
Okay, everyone, you're all set on who you believe is the first scum. But, who do you believe is the second scum and why?
I'm sure you aren't ignoring this, Errol. That would make you a hypocrite.Why would you think it didn't matter? Because Akigagak claimed that SirBayer told him in private that the fluff roles "weren't important", whatever that meant? (Akigagak only later claimed that scum have fluff roles like town.)
As for the claim... well, I admit, that wasn't thought out by me, because it 'didn't matter.' I have no idea what Akigagak was doing at that point, though, or why he did what he did.
If so, this implies a lot of faith in Akigagak, and a complete disregard for Pandarsenic, Webadict, and the chance to get town some information.
I demand to know why you ignored the three of us and claimed, if it "didn't matter".
Okay, everyone, you're all set on who you believe is the first scum. But, who do you believe is the second scum and why?
Errol, for buddying with Akigagak. After Akigagak made his stupid roleclaim, Errol essentially came to his defense by roleclaiming as well.
He's also supported Akigagak's mistake by ridiculing my plan. More recently he's expressed willingness to forgive Akigagak for "one mishap - no matter how large".
(all I ever wanted was for Akigagak to *admit to* the mishap).
Despite offering this "get out of lynch free" card to Akigagak, he once again votes me without explanation. His last argument against me (beyond generally name-calling) was me "buddying" with inteuniso, which is ironic given his relationship with Akigagak.
Before inteuniso went AWOL, he tried to organize the mass-claim. At that time Errol and Akigagak were actively lurking while Inteuniso and I tried to do the mass-claim. The mass-claim was apparently *so unimportant* that they started posting again just to sabotage it and call me stupid for being involved.
Thus I think Errol and Akigagak are both scum. The least scummy thing they've done is attack me relentlessly for trying to help.
No, I overlooked it :X Sorry about that.True. I referred to the IC's (and inteuniso) to show Akigigak that other people understood the plan. I kept bringing them up because Akigigak kept ignoring this, but I'm done trying to convince him.
I thought it didn't matter because Akigagak already sabotaged the plan, which robbed it of whatever chance it still had. Not that I was optimistic about the whole thing, but I stated my opinion already. That is, it was neither practical nor had it a good chance to work.
By the way, you should probably not rely on the ICs too much. In the end, it's our game, and only the players decide what happens. And ICs are people too, they might just be wrong. For anything further, refer to the idea/execution differentiation.
Okay, everyone, you're all set on who you believe is the first scum. But, who do you believe is the second scum and why?
Errol, for buddying with Akigagak. After Akigagak made his stupid roleclaim, Errol essentially came to his defense by roleclaiming as well.
You might be reading too much into this... I put no thought in that action, which, in retrospect, was really stupid.
He's also supported Akigagak's mistake by ridiculing my plan. More recently he's expressed willingness to forgive Akigagak for "one mishap - no matter how large".
That's my general policy. We're in Beginner's Mafia, so you get exactly one chance. Before you try to apply this yourself, you pulled your highly questionable tactics Day 1, Day 2 and Day 3. That's not exactly one failed chance.(all I ever wanted was for Akigagak to *admit to* the mishap).
Unrelated.Despite offering this "get out of lynch free" card to Akigagak, he once again votes me without explanation. His last argument against me (beyond generally name-calling) was me "buddying" with inteuniso, which is ironic given his relationship with Akigagak.
This was mainly for SirBayers votecount. The last time I changed my vote was to vote you, and I see no real reason to change it, nor do I see a more scummy target. And, until that, my vote stays.
Before inteuniso went AWOL, he tried to organize the mass-claim. At that time Errol and Akigagak were actively lurking while Inteuniso and I tried to do the mass-claim. The mass-claim was apparently *so unimportant* that they started posting again just to sabotage it and call me stupid for being involved.
Being involved - or trying to push the thing through? That's two different things. Much like Akigagak never admitted that his individual claim was the single worst thing he did you never - or too late, after stubbornly insisting some time - admitted your plan was, basically, retarded, in terms of execution.
Thus I think Errol and Akigagak are both scum. The least scummy thing they've done is attack me relentlessly for trying to help.
You helped as much as me, or Akigagak. Which is, not very much. All what we did was riling each other up.
Now, lemme make my case. At the moment, it is most likely that Rolan7 is scum. He doesn't listen to arguments or listens to the exact wrong passages, pulling them out of context, tried to push a lynch through every day so far, with great recklessness. Day 1, you had a slapfight with dorf just like today. Difference is you actually were more sensible then, didn't defend quite as much, and you didn't grasp at straws, which is what most of your arguments are consisting of at this point. It's almost as if you are struggling for arguments. Like scum.
Day 2 you jumped on the ExKirby-wagon at a rather late point (I admit that I did that too), and only surfaced after being voted for. Then you destroyed every single chance ExKirby might have used for proving his town-ness, not only by getting on rather late, but by virtue of brutalness of attack, like you always do.
tl;dr: Your method of scumhunting is mainly consisting of getting your target lynched, not getting scum lynched. This is an indication
The second place was originally Therion, now replaced by webadict, whom everyone seems to assume as town. However, web stays on the sidelines. There might be a reason for this, but for now, I'll assume the worst.
Alternatively, Akigagak might be scum. If he slips up again, we can be certain, but at the moment, it's just a possibility.
brb Dinner, having to make a break here.
Now, Errol, why did you ignore my comment? Why are you focusing so much on Rolan7? Is it because you win when he's lynched? I mean, can't you find another scum? Or is it taking all of your current scum ability to find it now?I think he wants me to buddy with him against you, Errol.
No, I overlooked it :X Sorry about that.True. I referred to the IC's (and inteuniso) to show Akigigak that other people understood the plan. I kept bringing them up because Akigigak kept ignoring this, but I'm done trying to convince him.
I thought it didn't matter because Akigagak already sabotaged the plan, which robbed it of whatever chance it still had. Not that I was optimistic about the whole thing, but I stated my opinion already. That is, it was neither practical nor had it a good chance to work.
By the way, you should probably not rely on the ICs too much. In the end, it's our game, and only the players decide what happens. And ICs are people too, they might just be wrong. For anything further, refer to the idea/execution differentiation.
You know what, I think I am reading to much into this. Particularly since you're being cool about it now. Why do we even need to choose the second scum today anyway, just because Webadict asked? I'm positive about Akigagak, only suspicious of you.You might be reading too much into this... I put no thought in that action, which, in retrospect, was really stupid.Okay, everyone, you're all set on who you believe is the first scum. But, who do you believe is the second scum and why?Errol, for buddying with Akigagak. After Akigagak made his stupid roleclaim, Errol essentially came to his defense by roleclaiming as well.
That's fair. Of course I don't think you have a good case against me, but I was a bit too eager here.He's also supported Akigagak's mistake by ridiculing my plan. More recently he's expressed willingness to forgive Akigagak for "one mishap - no matter how large".
That's my general policy. We're in Beginner's Mafia, so you get exactly one chance. Before you try to apply this yourself, you pulled your highly questionable tactics Day 1, Day 2 and Day 3. That's not exactly one failed chance.(all I ever wanted was for Akigagak to *admit to* the mishap).
Unrelated.Despite offering this "get out of lynch free" card to Akigagak, he once again votes me without explanation. His last argument against me (beyond generally name-calling) was me "buddying" with inteuniso, which is ironic given his relationship with Akigagak.This was mainly for SirBayers votecount. The last time I changed my vote was to vote you, and I see no real reason to change it, nor do I see a more scummy target. And, until that, my vote stays.
Eh... I've admitted it was a long shot. And yeah, it was practically impossible to execute properly. So okay it had a very slim chance of success.Before inteuniso went AWOL, he tried to organize the mass-claim. At that time Errol and Akigagak were actively lurking while Inteuniso and I tried to do the mass-claim. The mass-claim was apparently *so unimportant* that they started posting again just to sabotage it and call me stupid for being involved.Being involved - or trying to push the thing through? That's two different things. Much like Akigagak never admitted that his individual claim was the single worst thing he did you never - or too late, after stubbornly insisting some time - admitted your plan was, basically, retarded, in terms of execution.
I think I really have shown Akigagak to be scum. We needed someone to step up and scumhunt. Yeah this got out of hand and really heated, but otherwise how would we know who to vote for tonight? Scum wins if we do nothing.Thus I think Errol and Akigagak are both scum. The least scummy thing they've done is attack me relentlessly for trying to help.You helped as much as me, or Akigagak. Which is, not very much. All what we did was riling each other up.
Now, lemme make my case. At the moment, it is most likely that Rolan7 is scum. He doesn't listen to arguments or listens to the exact wrong passages, pulling them out of context, tried to push a lynch through every day so far, with great recklessness. Day 1, you had a slapfight with dorf just like today. Difference is you actually were more sensible then, didn't defend quite as much, and you didn't grasp at straws, which is what most of your arguments are consisting of at this point. It's almost as if you are struggling for arguments. Like scum.
Day 2 you jumped on the ExKirby-wagon at a rather late point (I admit that I did that too), and only surfaced after being voted for. Then you destroyed every single chance ExKirby might have used for proving his town-ness, not only by getting on rather late, but by virtue of brutalness of attack, like you always do.
tl;dr: Your method of scumhunting is mainly consisting of getting your target lynched, not getting scum lynched. This is an indication
The second place was originally Therion, now replaced by webadict, whom everyone seems to assume as town. However, web stays on the sidelines. There might be a reason for this, but for now, I'll assume the worst.
Alternatively, Akigagak might be scum. If he slips up again, we can be certain, but at the moment, it's just a possibility.
I agree excessive self-defense is scummy, but only when it's to the exclusion of scumhunting.
I was heavily involved with the previous lynches, and that's suspicious. My explanation is that I'm trying to keep the game going, and Dakarian made a post in day 2 saying scumhunters should always act completely certain and apply pressure. I think maybe I took that too literally. Notice that my latest case against Akigagak ignored his rabid cuss-fest, his overwhelming lists of completely baseless personal attacks. I started ignoring all that and instead am focusing on solid arguments, like whether he sabotaged a town plan without reason, is he lying about what SirBayer told him, is he refusing to admit to an obvious mistake. Instead of just saying he's acting scummy, which he certainly is, I'm demonstrating he's scum. With all respect, I think my case against him is stronger than your case against me.
Doo de doo, guess we're waiting for Inteuniso and Therion to be replaced. Wonder what scared them off?
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pretty quiet around here.
They weren't explaining the plan, they were supporting the idea. The plan was not going to work. The idea had merit. But I knew that the massclaim was pointless, as everybody had a fluff-role. How hard is it to understand that?You asked why anyone would lie about what they got. Since *only you* knew scum had fluff roles (if they do), this was a stupid question. They pointed out how stupid this question was. Instead of explaining how you knew the roles were unimportant, you said "nuh uh, they aren't important so I'm gonna post mine". I understand why a townie would claim, and I don't understand why a townie wouldn't just explain the situation.
You know what, I think I am reading to much into this. Particularly since you're being cool about it now. Why do we even need to choose the second scum today anyway, just because Webadict asked? I'm positive about Akigagak, only suspicious of you.You might be reading too much into this... I put no thought in that action, which, in retrospect, was really stupid.Okay, everyone, you're all set on who you believe is the first scum. But, who do you believe is the second scum and why?Errol, for buddying with Akigagak. After Akigagak made his stupid roleclaim, Errol essentially came to his defense by roleclaiming as well.
Because it helps, once we've lynched you and confirm your scumminess, we still have one scum left to find.
Okay, lets pretend you are town: remember what I said about scum only needing to get two townies into a fight to win? Well, lookie here. Errol seeming to go along with me in pointing out the numerous holes in your plan. Then 3 pages of arguments about that damn plan, to which most of yours were 'But it Could have worked, and now you ruined it.' Which it couldn't have.
*sigh*In fact you gave me nothing but crap for it. So no, you can't claim it was your idea.
I'll state it another way so people understand it:
All three town are going to have to vote for the same person, or else the two scum will screw the vote at the last moment.
Eh... I've admitted it was a long shot. And yeah, it was practically impossible to execute properly. So okay it had a very slim chance of success.Before inteuniso went AWOL, he tried to organize the mass-claim. At that time Errol and Akigagak were actively lurking while Inteuniso and I tried to do the mass-claim. The mass-claim was apparently *so unimportant* that they started posting again just to sabotage it and call me stupid for being involved.Being involved - or trying to push the thing through? That's two different things. Much like Akigagak never admitted that his individual claim was the single worst thing he did you never - or too late, after stubbornly insisting some time - admitted your plan was, basically, retarded, in terms of execution.
It had no chance. None. And my claim was not the worst thing that could have been done, it was your insistance that the ICs agreed with your plan, and not just it's idea.
I think I really have shown Akigagak to be scum. We needed someone to step up and scumhunt. Yeah this got out of hand and really heated, but otherwise how would we know who to vote for tonight? Scum wins if we do nothing.Thus I think Errol and Akigagak are both scum. The least scummy thing they've done is attack me relentlessly for trying to help.You helped as much as me, or Akigagak. Which is, not very much. All what we did was riling each other up.
I feel exactly the same way about you. Over the last couple of pages you either repeatedly mis-read, ignored, or 'didn't see' posts, or you chose to pretend to. The examples are there, if you want to look at them, as I don't think I can fit all of that into this post.
Now, lemme make my case. At the moment, it is most likely that Rolan7 is scum. He doesn't listen to arguments or listens to the exact wrong passages, pulling them out of context, tried to push a lynch through every day so far, with great recklessness. Day 1, you had a slapfight with dorf just like today. Difference is you actually were more sensible then, didn't defend quite as much, and you didn't grasp at straws, which is what most of your arguments are consisting of at this point. It's almost as if you are struggling for arguments. Like scum.
Day 2 you jumped on the ExKirby-wagon at a rather late point (I admit that I did that too), and only surfaced after being voted for. Then you destroyed every single chance ExKirby might have used for proving his town-ness, not only by getting on rather late, but by virtue of brutalness of attack, like you always do.
tl;dr: Your method of scumhunting is mainly consisting of getting your target lynched, not getting scum lynched. This is an indication
The second place was originally Therion, now replaced by webadict, whom everyone seems to assume as town. However, web stays on the sidelines. There might be a reason for this, but for now, I'll assume the worst.
Alternatively, Akigagak might be scum. If he slips up again, we can be certain, but at the moment, it's just a possibility.
I agree excessive self-defense is scummy, but only when it's to the exclusion of scumhunting.
I was heavily involved with the previous lynches, and that's suspicious. My explanation is that I'm trying to keep the game going, and Dakarian made a post in day 2 saying scumhunters should always act completely certain and apply pressure. I think maybe I took that too literally. Notice that my latest case against Akigagak ignored his rabid cuss-fest, his overwhelming lists of completely baseless personal attacks. I started ignoring all that and instead am focusing on solid arguments, like whether he sabotaged a town plan without reason, is he lying about what SirBayer told him, is he refusing to admit to an obvious mistake. Instead of just saying he's acting scummy, which he certainly is, I'm demonstrating he's scum. With all respect, I think my case against him is stronger than your case against me.
Sorry for getting frustrated with your childish behavior, but if you respond to a post that has attacks against the way you seem to be ignoring points that you don't want to deal with, which you still haven't dealt with, which prove that you weren't paying full attention to the arguments against you. You then prove those attacks right by posting this:Doo de doo, guess we're waiting for Inteuniso and Therion to be replaced. Wonder what scared them off?
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pretty quiet around here.
And you're surprised I get annoyed at this?
Oh God that was the most retarded thing I've ever seen.
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He did. Read his sodding post beyond the first two words of every sentence.
And then:
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You just proved his damn point. Well done, that's so stupid you're making me angry.
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Because. It. Bloody. Well. Doesn't.
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Nice fucking skim read.
They weren't explaining the plan, they were supporting the idea. The plan was not going to work. The idea had merit. But I knew that the massclaim was pointless, as everybody had a fluff-role. How hard is it to understand that?You asked why anyone would lie about what they got. Since *only you* knew scum had fluff roles (if they do), this was a stupid question. They pointed out how stupid this question was. Instead of explaining how you knew the roles were unimportant, you said "nuh uh, they aren't important so I'm gonna post mine". I understand why a townie would claim, and I don't understand why a townie wouldn't just explain the situation.
Second, but what's your point?
THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.
*sigh*
I'll state it another way so people understand it:
All three town are going to have to vote for the same person, or else the two scum will screw the vote at the last moment.
I'm volunteering to *not* be the townie who makes the final decision.
WE HAVE TO BUDDY OR DIE. Even then we lose if therion is town and doesn't get replaced.
Rolan I am disappoint.
The ICs understood the plan and tried to explain it to you. You acted like you didn't understand it.
The plan did have a chance, you're lying about what SirBayer told you. I know this because you've changed from "He told me they don't matter" to "He told me the scum have them too".
Besides which you didn't explain why the plan had no chance until *after* you killed it yourself, scum.Wrong, I explained why it wouldn't work, then I killed it. Check the damn thread please.
How convenient that you don't quote even one.Do I need to? There are two pages full of examples of your inability to read, they're not hard to miss, though you probably would.
I think rather than annoying you, it got you to calm down a bit.
Oh God that was the most retarded thing I've ever seen.
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He did. Read his sodding post beyond the first two words of every sentence.
And then:
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You just proved his damn point. Well done, that's so stupid you're making me angry.
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Because. It. Bloody. Well. Doesn't.
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Nice fucking skim read.
Spoiler: Scummymon (click to show/hide)
Edited for slightly better rhyming.
Also added the half-verse.
If you actually read my post, you will find your questions answered. But you apparently didn't bother. Now who is ignoring whom here?Wrong. You're words were that you HAD no idea who was scum and was having an IDEA that it might be me, but you had no proof and you had no real reasons listed. You just sorta said it. Not even an attempt.
If you actually read my post, you will find your questions answered. But you apparently didn't bother. Now who is ignoring whom here?Wrong. You're words were that you HAD no idea who was scum and was having an IDEA that it might be me, but you had no proof and you had no real reasons listed. You just sorta said it. Not even an attempt.
So, if you're going to lie, do it to someone who isn't a moron.
Now, one more time, to both Errol and Akigigak, WHO DO YOU BELIEVE IS THE SECOND SCUM AND WHY!
If you do not post soon, I will only assume you're trying your best not to come up with an actual answer, or trying to come up with one together.
That's what I'm trying to glean. Because, as it stands, it is either Rolan7 and anyone else, or it's Akigigak and Errol, because the scum can hammer at any time if it's not that (I'm going with situation 2.) I'm just trying to find the probability that two newbie town would be voting together on a single scum. It's not very likely at all. And, you've got a lot against you.If you actually read my post, you will find your questions answered. But you apparently didn't bother. Now who is ignoring whom here?Wrong. You're words were that you HAD no idea who was scum and was having an IDEA that it might be me, but you had no proof and you had no real reasons listed. You just sorta said it. Not even an attempt.
So, if you're going to lie, do it to someone who isn't a moron.
Now, one more time, to both Errol and Akigigak, WHO DO YOU BELIEVE IS THE SECOND SCUM AND WHY!
If you do not post soon, I will only assume you're trying your best not to come up with an actual answer, or trying to come up with one together.
And that's all what I know - I have no solid lead on the second scum at the moment. To my current knowledge it's either you or Akigagak. I also stated the reasons why I suspect these people. I can't pull a waterproof explanation out of my rear end. No matter what I do, you WILL attempt to turn it against me. Would you care expending the same amount of effort on other people?
I have the feeling that you wouldn't be as harsh under other circumstances. Like, if Rolan7 or inteuniso posted what I posted. Are you trying to distract people from your person?
Actually, I might say now - you first. You state your suspicions and reasons for them, you make them as waterproof as you wish mine to be, and you cast your vote.
Because, if you don't do it - if you still refuse to actually act like a player, not like Big Buddy - you'll have the honor of advancing to Rank 1 of my suspicion list, King Webadict.
That's what I'm trying to glean. Because, as it stands, it is either Rolan7 and anyone else, or it's Akigigak and Errol, because the scum can hammer at any time if it's not that (I'm going with situation 2.) I'm just trying to find the probability that two newbie town would be voting together on a single scum. It's not very likely at all. And, you've got a lot against you.
And if I'm Rank 1, why aren't you voting for me? It's like saying I'm the most suspicious without doing anything about it.
You didn't put up inteuniso, so you've got a read on him? The lurker? Really? I didn't think that was possible. I don't even have a read on him. But you're the scum. I'll believe it. Perhaps you're hoping the guy that comes in to replace him is going to side with you, the magical reader of lurkers? I highly doubt it.
I'm posting this whlie experiancing the aftereffects of genral anesthetic. i hate dentists
Forgive me for probably not being able to post very much. or very clearly.
@Errol: I'm thinking through Rolan7. I feel like he's probably town, and he hasn't done anything thoroughly scummy that I can tell.
Plus, he's trying to persuade. You're not. You're just pushing him. I mean, what is your man argument? Where is your evidence? You didn't post any of it.
Sure, I'm grouping right now. But, I'll probably do so in small contexts. You didn't make any reference to Akigagak. You just made reference about Rolan7. And it was far worse for Akigagak, especially considering he was on a few minutes after I had initially posted, but then came back drugged-up unable to play. He's had a lot of chances to post. You're not considering any of this. But, you say he's equally scummy. HOW ODD?!?
I mean, what's up with that?
Thank you for delivering me my retort, free of charge:
I have no idea what you're thinking if you're missing the clearly obvious. And it is obvious. Defending Rolan7 in this manner, when he hasn't done anything. You're just pointing out Akigagak. You're not saying, "Odd. Rolan7 is, in fact, avoiding answering your questions. Oh, wait, we haven't even questioned him. My bad." You're saying, "Rolan7? Look at Akigagak!" It's a pathetically odd that you're not even BOTHERING to seriously look at Rolan7. Make a case. Explain how he is definitely town, and I'll show you how you're wrong.
Thank you for delivering me my retort, free of charge:Well well well... where to begin.
I have no idea what you're thinking if you're missing the clearly obvious. And it is obvious. Defending Rolan7 in this manner, when he hasn't done anything. You're just pointing out Akigagak. You're not saying, "Odd. Rolan7 is, in fact, avoiding answering your questions. Oh, wait, we haven't even questioned him. My bad." You're saying, "Rolan7? Look at Akigagak!" It's a pathetically odd that you're not even BOTHERING to seriously look at Rolan7. Make a case. Explain how he is definitely town, and I'll show you how you're wrong.
I WILL look at both if they don't post today or come up with froggy excuses. I expect the same of you, however.
AFAIK the deadline is frozen until the replacement is done. If this is the case, an extension is the last thing we need. Otherwise, I'd support.
Should I be actively looking for a replacement? :I I was under the impression that as a host, you announced it in as many places as possible and then just waited. Sort of like advertising for a job.
We have two?Yeah, I've mentioned it being lylo a few times. If all three town don't vote the same scum, we lose because scum will cause a tie or townlynch.
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Woops.
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1. You haven't asked Rolan7 any questions.
2. You haven't asked ME any questions.
Would you care expending the same amount of effort on other people?
Are you trying to distract people from your person?
Are you just trying to protect your scumbuddy, or what?
Would you bother with persuasion in this context?
3. If you're going to talk about tunnelvisioning, I'm going to go with the two people voting for Rolan7 here as tunnelvisioning.
4. I actually am watching Rolan7. He has, in fact, not shown up for a very long time. [PRE-POST EDIT:] Never mind, he's right there.
5. Copying my words straight back to me is not helping your case. You haven't even brought forth a good case.
6. If you were just siding with Akigagak, while there were two lurkers, weren't you going for the easy win, since there were two missing people?
7. This also means you're simply waiting for someone to side with you. I, on the other hand, am waiting for Akigagak to actually post. He isn't posting, despite me asking him questions. If you have questions, perhaps you should ask them. Not that they aren't good questions, but your questions will most likely be irrelevant.
8. Don't be a moron. Siding with your partner right away is stupid, unless you actually have a compelling case. You don't have a compelling case, since you are not positive that Rolan7 is scum. Probably because you're scum, and can never make a good case against him. You're trying to use peer pressure, which is an okay way to go, but it's not effective against people that play regularly.
9. I'm waiting for a replacement. SirBayer isn't even trying to find one.
And 10. Next time you're scum with Akigagak, kill Akigagak right away. He'll end up siding with you in the end, and exposing you. Especially if you're purposefully trying to hide.
Webadict did question me, remember? He asked Akiagak and me why we thought the other was scum. I responded with a step-by-step case against Akigagak. Akigagak responded by quoting something I said and calling it scummy. Webadict insisted that Akigagak provide a case, and Akigagak failed to reply. Eventually he came up with a RL reason *which could be a fabrication for all you know, yet you trusted him implicitly while criticising me for being quiet for a much shorter time*.
Webadict also asked us who we considered likely second scum. I chose you at first, for being scummy. Then I reconsidered and got suspicious of Webadict for asking, thinking he was maybe causing trouble and trying to buddy with me. I reached out to you, trying to convince you to consider Akigagak. Your response? Completely ignored all that and criticized me for being too quiet.
So no, Webadict and I aren't buddying. We're being excluded by you and Akigagak who are glued together so hard you won't let anyone in.
Webadict did question me, remember? He asked Akiagak and me why we thought the other was scum. I responded with a step-by-step case against Akigagak. Akigagak responded by quoting something I said and calling it scummy. Webadict insisted that Akigagak provide a case, and Akigagak failed to reply. Eventually he came up with a RL reason *which could be a fabrication for all you know, yet you trusted him implicitly while criticising me for being quiet for a much shorter time*.
RL reasons are fine. But "There's nothing for me to reply on" is not. It shows you'd theoretically have time, but practically you prefer to lurk. Because there's always a reason to post.
Not asking any questions. You're saying I'm not asking any questions. Really. Srsly.Webadict also asked us who we considered likely second scum. I chose you at first, for being scummy. Then I reconsidered and got suspicious of Webadict for asking, thinking he was maybe causing trouble and trying to buddy with me. I reached out to you, trying to convince you to consider Akigagak. Your response? Completely ignored all that and criticized me for being too quiet.
So no, Webadict and I aren't buddying. We're being excluded by you and Akigagak who are glued together so hard you won't let anyone in.
I think I was too caught up with Webadict there... something to not repeat... Anyway...
What you said might be true, but consider the following:
- You haven't really been all too contributive. For example, you didn't ask any questions.
- What tipped me off was the lack of interaction between you and Webadict overall. He asked you a question, you responded, that's been it. That looks somewhat odd.Two questions, then I openly accused him of trying to raise trouble. Hey look you're being inaccurate as usual!
- I'm waiting for Akigagak to actually post something meaningful so that I can reconsider my opinion of him.
Burned out... phew, I have no more time for this... waiting for webadict to rip my post to pieces...
Lynch all Lurkers.
Just fyi, akigagak's last real post was on the 27th. Webadict posted on the 29th. Errol posted toward Webadict and me yesterday and Webadict may want to respond, but there are far worse lurkers here.But I'm not trying to find the worst lurker. I'm trying to find scum. And the one who insists on getting an extension before lurking in spite of usually being someone who keeps the town going is the scummiest.
Well, I've finally got my damn role pm. Navigator, if you're interested.Really? I've been gone for the weekend. It's really funny, considering you could've looked right at the last logon time and seen that it was Friday. Seems it's the same for Akigagak. Lame. I was hoping he'd get on here.
Anyway, Akigigak hasn't been posting. He needs to get the hell down here pronto. However, do you know who else hasn't been posting for the last couple of days in spite of yelling at everyone to get down here? Webadict. So, webadict, I suppose you thought you had a win in the bag then? All you had to do was lurk until deadline while activity died, right? If you needed an extension so much, why haven't you done anything with it?
Also - votecount?
So, I'm going to vote Akigagak. It's too painful to watch it anymore.
It's better to not quick lynch.So, I'm going to vote Akigagak. It's too painful to watch it anymore.
I'd say it's about damn time (:
Except that this highlights the hypocrisy of Errol and Akigagak claiming Webadict and I were buddying: they've both had their votes united against me for over a week, while Webadict evaluated the situation for what, about 5 days, giving Akigagak more chances than I think he deserved. Webadict and I haven't been working in concert like Akigagak and Errol. I was even ready to believe he was the second scum, but Errol wouldn't abandon his buddy Akigagak for anything.
I accused Webadict of sowing discord, and Webadict sought a case against me from A+E. A+E have done 0 scumhunting against each other. Who are the scumbuddies, and who are the victims?
If all these questions are of such pressing importance, why did you not ask them until webadict questioned you over it? Also, if Akigagak jumping to your side worried you, why didn't you bring it up with him at the time?Quote7. This also means you're simply waiting for someone to side with you. I, on the other hand, am waiting for Akigagak to actually post. He isn't posting, despite me asking him questions. If you have questions, perhaps you should ask them. Not that they aren't good questions, but your questions will most likely be irrelevant.
Well, I am waiting for him, too. And, since you want me to, here are my questions.
1. Akigagak, why did you join my position without a question?
2. Akigagak, why did you sabotage the roleclaim like you did?
3. Akigagak, why didn't you tell us earlier about your role clarification info you got from SirBayer (allegedly)?
4. Akigagak, why did you get so personal against Rolan7?
Well, checkmate! Nicely played, people.???
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I'd like to post a special thanks to webadict btw! Masterful strategy. We will surely win now!?
I'd like to post a special thanks to webadict btw! Masterful strategy. We will surely win now!?
Is this your idea of WIFOM? Because it's pretty terrible, even for you.
Org, aren't you meant to be mentoring beginner's rather than throwing around suspicions?Quite. Give reasons why he is scum, if you plan to do that.
Webby, there don't seem to be hammers in this game. At least according to the OP.Perhaps. Perhaps not.
Org, aren't you meant to be mentoring beginner's rather than throwing around suspicions?Er what. i know. Oh wait. I am not scum IC.
Webby, there don't seem to be hammers in this game. At least according to the OP.Perhaps. Perhaps not.
No, seriously, Errol. Answer the question - are you claiming scum or not?I'm not sure what he's trying to do. Perhaps he's trying to get himself lynched to stop Akigagak from being obvlynched and then he plans to hope the resulting WIFOM will leave him alive.
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Close but no Cigar.???
Quoted for truth.
A lot happened since I checked the thread around 11 this morning, and it confuses me!
Org, you sound a *lot* like someone I knew in real life. Charmingly calm yet crazy. Are your initials AH?
As for Errol, I really don't know. Maybe he thought Akigagak got hammered, so he gave up the game? Webadict's suggestion makes sense too. Maybe he was trying to move just a vote or two to himself, then scum wins because the votes are divided.
No, seriously, Errol. Answer the question - are you claiming scum or not?
Okay, I'm back and more coherent then I have been most of last week.
Give me a bit read the thread up to this point.
Okay, I'm back and more coherent then I have been most of last week.
Give me a bit read the thread up to this point.
You've got no shortage of questions slash accusations. It will be funny to watch you dig yourself an even deeper hole, like you always do. Heh.
You're right. It WOULD be embarrassing, since it's more than obvious that you and Akigagak are scum.No, seriously, Errol. Answer the question - are you claiming scum or not?
What, do you think ANYONE would claim scum? I'm no jester. So no, I'm not claiming scum.Okay, I'm back and more coherent then I have been most of last week.
Give me a bit read the thread up to this point.
You've got no shortage of questions slash accusations. It will be funny to watch you dig yourself an even deeper hole, like you always do. Heh.
Well, webadict has the game in his bag. It would be embarassing if his side still lost.
My previous post still stands: Errol may have slipped up thinking the game was over, but in any case I think he's trying to split the vote.Okay, I'm back and more coherent then I have been most of last week.
Give me a bit read the thread up to this point.
You've got no shortage of questions slash accusations. It will be funny to watch you dig yourself an even deeper hole, like you always do. Heh.
PAN-D4R focuses one of its optical receptors upon Org and asks, "Mr. Org, why do you WIFOM the crew?"because the Scum IC is suspect of grave heresy.
In all seriousness though, the decision is the scum's to make, not yours or Vector's or mine. You can't say that Vector is "making bad scum" until the game is over and we see everything that's going on. :II was joking. >.>
The only problem is if Errol is a townie.I hail to you, High King Obvious!
Haven't looked at the scum chat yet, but my guesses are:
Errol, then Therion or Agigakak.
Don't be asses, folks.Question:Did you tell him to Wifom?
I love the part where everyone's blaming this on the scum IC :I Seriously, folks. You think the right answer is "Errol+Webadict+Rolan7 lylo," rather than "Errol+Leafsnail+Rolan7 lylo?" I can tell you that from my perspective, it is most certainly not.
Oh, well. Good job, town. There's a reason why I'm stepping back from ICing ;) Got to brush up my own scumgame, it seems.
3.5 weeks, it's finally over, wow.
Yeah, I think this was Akigagak's fault. I can't describe how if feels to see that even in his scumchat he didn't understand me, and Errol did. Kudos, Errol.
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OMG I WON LOLOLOL (thanks to Akigagak and webadict)
Special thanks to SirBayer. Sorry for all the crap I gave you, just stress, you did fine.
And your flavor text is delicious.
Hey, all the crewmates got rescued right? Particularly Captain Forklift?
Vector: Hey now, it wouldn't have been fair to allow the game to end with two players missing. I did make a few pro-Town decisions, and I regret that, but would it have been fair to just let the game end because people disappeared? I think not.
Rolan7, I don't know if you saw it in the scumchat... but you absolutely must stop trying to buddy that much. Had Errol done what I was hoping he would immediately--i.e., say "sure! I'll ditch Akigagak and help you vote the scum down"--you would have been in a world of trouble. A scumteam that focused more on making friends and less on hiding would be quite dangerous in combination with you.
Additionally, though the massclaim was a good idea, the way you tried to organize it was poorly thought out. Good strategy, not-so-fabulous execution.
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HELL. To all the townies, quit with the blatant rampant ridiculous buddying, would you? It makes it really easy for the scum to either pick you off or move you around like chess pieces. Not that they did that this game, but I would have >_>
PAN-D4R gets massive amounts of robot girl tail for his role in saving the ship and the crew....I hate to tell you this, but... There are no girl robots.
Awwwww yeaaaah.
PAN-D4R gets massive amounts of robot girl tail for his role in saving the ship and the crew....I hate to tell you this, but... There are no girl robots.
Awwwww yeaaaah.
... You believe what you want.PAN-D4R gets massive amounts of robot girl tail for his role in saving the ship and the crew....I hate to tell you this, but... There are no girl robots.
Awwwww yeaaaah.
THE INTERNETS beg to differ.