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Title: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Mephansteras on January 19, 2010, 08:26:36 pm
What happens when a Mafia game gets it's 13th iteration? We're about to find out.

This time we're going to have a bit of a twist. You get to choose your role (to an extent).

Each player will PM me a list of 5 roles that they would like to have, including Race. So, Human Guardian or Doppelganger Detective. I will then do my best to create the game using those lists. The sides will be balanced according to my usual Matrix of weights (over in the Rules Thread (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=34959.0)).

This might also backfire and I'll have to give a few poor souls Vanilla roles to balance things out, but we'll see.

Due to the generally low activity in the sub-forum and the additional work setting this up is going to cause, I think I'll limit this to 12 slots.
Game is currently slated to start Monday 1/25, but if sign-ups go quickly I may start earlier.

I might also extend the game to 13 players, since it's Round 13.

Looks like we'll have enough people soon, but we have a request to hold off until Monday. So, game will officially start Monday!

Player List:
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on January 19, 2010, 08:26:57 pm
Here are the current rules:

Here is the (current) list of possible roles:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Definitions:
    Doppelganger: These foul creatures kill and eat humans, taking on all of their memories and abilities. Once they have a form, most doppelgagners cannot change again. They are a flawed species, and possess and uncontrollable bloodlust forcing them to kill and eat humans each night. Their goal is to destroy all of the humans in the town and make their way out into the larger world.
    Night Kill: Any kill that happens during the Night Phase. The Doppelgangers and Cultists each get 1 Night Kill as a group, in addition to any allowed by Roles.
    Morningkill: A morning kill happens between the day and night phase, and cannot be prevented by abilities that prevent night kills. (Such as the Guardian)
    Abduction: When a player abducts another player, two things happen. First, the abducted player is role-blocked for the night. Second, that player is removed from play for that night (and possibly the game). While removed, they cannot be the target of any other night action and cannot vote or be lynched during the day. Exceptions: The Paranoid War Vet and Sentry Gun are not role-blocked by an abduction, and will kill the player attempting the abduction. Abducted players are not role-flipped until their abductor leaves the game.



I've written a perl script to pick roles and whatnot randomly. It has some rules that it follows, but it should make for a nice amount of randomness to the set-up. Note that while I'll generally just go with whatever it spits out, I may make modifications to the set-up in order to make a more interesting game or to test out a specific feature. Also note that I will intentionally mess or not mess with stuff just to screw up anyone depending on the Gambler's Fallacy.

Not all roles are guaranteed. In fact, it's quite possible to have a game with nothing but normal doppelgangers and humans.
There will only be, at most, 2 of any given role per side for Humans and Doppelgangers (other then townsperson, normal doppelganger, and cultist)
There can only be 1 of each Alien Role in a game. An Exterminator can have either an Operative or a Controlled Doppelganger working with him, not both.


General Rules:
 
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

  Feel free to ask for clarification on any rule.
 

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups
Post by: Org on January 19, 2010, 08:27:18 pm
in
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups
Post by: Vector on January 19, 2010, 08:30:50 pm
Sure, in.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on January 19, 2010, 08:32:39 pm
Do make sure you're active in this, Org. You need to improve your attendance rankings!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups
Post by: Neruz on January 19, 2010, 08:39:13 pm
!xmafia in
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups
Post by: Org on January 19, 2010, 08:51:13 pm
Do make sure you're active in this, Org. You need to improve your attendance rankings!
I know. I will.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 19, 2010, 09:00:02 pm
I am the in.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 4/12
Post by: webadict on January 19, 2010, 11:07:54 pm
!xmafia in
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 5/12
Post by: JanusTwoface on January 20, 2010, 02:35:40 am
In por favor.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 5/12
Post by: Leafsnail on January 20, 2010, 10:42:17 am
In!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 5/12
Post by: Kashyyk on January 20, 2010, 11:57:08 am
YES!! How could I not be in?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 5/12
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 20, 2010, 01:15:12 pm
I'm in.

Also I'd prefer to wait until monday to start if possible.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: Leafsnail on January 20, 2010, 02:44:58 pm
Well, as a quick note, Pandarsenic is clearly scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: ToonyMan on January 20, 2010, 02:51:18 pm
I'll take first replacement.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: Vector on January 20, 2010, 02:53:51 pm
I'll take first replacement.

Really?  We've still got 3 slots left... the playercount is lying.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: ToonyMan on January 20, 2010, 02:55:48 pm
Yeah, I'm in like 2 games right now and I want to get into this game later, hopefully when I can focus my attention on this.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: Mephansteras on January 20, 2010, 02:56:46 pm
Apparently I miscounted when I set my slots up.

We can take 3-4 more players.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: Vector on January 20, 2010, 02:57:38 pm
Yeah, I'm in like 2 games right now and I want to get into this game later, hopefully when I can focus my attention on this.

Ah, I see.  I thought you were worried about getting VT'd again or something >_> <_<
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 20, 2010, 02:58:13 pm
Well, as a quick note, Pandarsenic is clearly scum.
Your accusations are as premature as your ejaculations, good sir!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: ToonyMan on January 20, 2010, 03:09:05 pm
Yeah, I'm in like 2 games right now and I want to get into this game later, hopefully when I can focus my attention on this.

Ah, I see.  I thought you were worried about getting VT'd again or something >_> <_<

No no, it's cool.  I was a Psychic Warden last game.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: Neruz on January 20, 2010, 05:09:11 pm
Well, as a quick note, Pandarsenic is clearly scum.
Your accusations are as premature as your ejaculations, good sir!
Premature ejaculation joke, Leafsnail is right, Pandarsenic is Ovbscum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: ToonyMan on January 20, 2010, 05:10:16 pm
Well, as a quick note, Pandarsenic is clearly scum.
Your accusations are as premature as your ejaculations, good sir!
Premature ejaculation joke, Leafsnail is right, Pandarsenic is Ovbscum.

Or maybe he's on 'Whose's Line Is It Anyway?".
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 11/12
Post by: Neruz on January 20, 2010, 05:13:06 pm
Well, as a quick note, Pandarsenic is clearly scum.
Your accusations are as premature as your ejaculations, good sir!
Premature ejaculation joke, Leafsnail is right, Pandarsenic is Ovbscum.
Or maybe he's on 'Whose's Line Is It Anyway?".
Another ovbious scum tell.

They try and hide it, but the guys on Whose's Line Is It Anyway? are clearly in secret contact with each other, just like a Mafia. Colin is ovbiously the Godfather.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: ToonyMan on January 20, 2010, 05:14:25 pm
And has hair.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: Mephansteras on January 20, 2010, 05:18:45 pm
That's just silly. You don't have to worry about the mafia.

You have to worry about the Doppelgangers.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: Neruz on January 20, 2010, 05:24:24 pm
Oh i know that, i was just saying that being in Whose's Line Is It Anyway? is an ovbious scumtell.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: Mephansteras on January 21, 2010, 12:29:44 pm
Still need at least 3 more people.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: ExKirby on January 21, 2010, 02:53:01 pm
In so long as people don't come all against me after the game just because 1) I claimed due to my inability that, with only one NK, I could make it 2) My PC crashed.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 21, 2010, 05:16:40 pm
I'll watch. I'm taking a no mafia policy until I get my crap together outside of the interwebs.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 23, 2010, 03:10:42 pm
In so long as people don't come all against me after the game just because 1) I claimed due to my inability that, with only one NK, I could make it 2) My PC crashed.

Scum!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 23, 2010, 04:45:16 pm
Watching. I'd love to see a Paranormal Bastard Mafia.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 9/12
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 25, 2010, 06:40:30 pm
So....
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2010, 06:54:31 pm
Still missing roles from:
 Org
 Neruz
 webadict
 Leafsnail
 Kashyyk

I will give people until 5pm Tomorrow to get me their roles. At which point I'm just going to pick randomly.

New players may still join up until that point (or until I start the game, if I get all the roles sooner)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2010, 07:34:47 pm
Wait what?!?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: Org on January 25, 2010, 07:41:38 pm
We send in roles IIRC.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2010, 07:58:01 pm
Good. Now I'm just missing roles from Kashyyk and Neruz.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: Neruz on January 25, 2010, 08:43:09 pm
O hay i totally didn't realise that. 1 sec.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: Kashyyk on January 26, 2010, 03:42:04 pm
Sent, didn't realised we needed to do this.  ;)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2010, 03:58:35 pm
All right. I now have everything so I'll start setting up the sides.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Signups 10/12
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 04:51:56 pm
Way to not read the rules. :P
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Set-up in Progress
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 05:03:14 pm
Yeah Kashyyk.

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Set-up in Progress
Post by: Org on January 26, 2010, 05:21:42 pm
I say we lynch Kash before Lylo.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Set-up in Progress
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 26, 2010, 05:30:44 pm
So, how many of you put Exterminator Alien at the top of your list?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Set-up in Progress
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2010, 05:58:56 pm

You each awaken in a small, nondescript room. After a bit you're startled by a voice from the ceiling.

"There are ten of you here. Three of you have been replaced by Doppelgangers. If you wish to escape, you must follow our directions exactly."

"First direction: Head out the door to your room and follow the arrows in the hallway until you reach a circular room. Stay there until further instructions are given"

Having nothing else to do, you follow the instructions. You see a few other people in the halls, each going the same way as you. None of them know what is going on.

Eventually, there are ten of you in a large circular room. The room is bare, except for low chairs and a single table. On the table is a revolver.You look around nervously. Something is very wrong here.

"Your task is to find these three doppelgangers and eliminate them. The gun on the table has exactly one bullet. You must vote on who you think is most likely to be the doppelganger, and then shoot them. After which you will return to your rooms for the night. We will repeat this procedure each day until all of the doppelgangers are dead. Or all of the humans."

Their is a clamor as people loudly protest this unfair treatment. The voice chimes in one last time.

"Failure to follow this procedure will result in your immediate execution."

Looking around, you feel a chill in your spine.




Day 1 has started. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Thursday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Org on January 26, 2010, 06:13:08 pm
Vote Kash for making town lose LCS Mafia.

For being dumb.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Leafsnail on January 26, 2010, 06:28:11 pm
Pandarsenic.  Why are you scum?  Also, who would your ideal team be?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 26, 2010, 06:47:51 pm
BECAUSE I'M THE EXTERMINATOR WITH EXKIRBY WEBADICT!!

But not really. Fuck that. ;_; I kept that shit off my list entirely because seriously, tired of dying N1 or D1.

As for an ideal team? IF I WERE SCUM, which I'm not, probably me (Duh), Webadict, and Vector. A team that's heavy on technical skill and well-suited to coordination. With a little luck Webadict wouldn't explode N1.

As for my ideal scum team to face? Webadict (everyone actions him N1, no exceptions), ExKirby (I'd get to lynch him for last Paranormal. :P), and Kashyyk, since we'd probably catch him with a lurker-lynch sooner or later anyway. :I

Webadict, why is my ideal team to face off against such an accurate reflection of reality!?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Org on January 26, 2010, 06:49:43 pm
OH LAWDY. WIFOM
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 08:03:57 pm
BECAUSE I'M THE EXTERMINATOR WITH EXKIRBY WEBADICT!!

But not really. Fuck that. ;_; I kept that shit off my list entirely because seriously, tired of dying N1 or D1.

As for an ideal team? IF I WERE SCUM, which I'm not, probably me (Duh), Webadict, and Vector. A team that's heavy on technical skill and well-suited to coordination. With a little luck Webadict wouldn't explode N1.

As for my ideal scum team to face? Webadict (everyone actions him N1, no exceptions), ExKirby (I'd get to lynch him for last Paranormal. :P), and Kashyyk, since we'd probably catch him with a lurker-lynch sooner or later anyway. :I

Webadict, why is my ideal team to face off against such an accurate reflection of reality!?
CRAP GUYS! He's on to us!

And, no, I'd definitely explode Night 1. I'll probably be killed N1 here. If not by the scum then by the Vigilante. Heck, I might even be shot by ToonyMan a Mad Scientist. If I'm lucky, I'll live to die Night 2 :P.

But, according to the Gambler's Law Fallacy, forsaken1111 is scum!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2010, 08:09:44 pm
The Whiteboard
forsaken1111: Webadict
Kashyyk: Org
Pandarsenic: Leafsnail
Webadict: Pandarsenic
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Set-up in Progress
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 08:16:03 pm
So, how many of you put Exterminator Alien at the top of your list?

ExKirby is known to be a repeat scum offender, and thus is the ovbious victum for the first boolet.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Leafsnail on January 26, 2010, 08:20:27 pm
Unvote... interesting answer, Pandar.

Vector, you were scum last time, and to use that to declare you town this time would be a fallacy.  Therefore you are scum.  Please comment on this undeniable proof of your guilt.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 08:22:53 pm
Also Pandar is a lying scum. He is more than willing to engage in a bit of Refuge in Audacity, as we all remember from the last game, so i do not trust his audacious outburst one little bit.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 08:26:36 pm
Also Pandar is a lying scum. He is more than willing to engage in a bit of Refuge in Audacity, as we all remember from the last game, so i do not trust his audacious outburst one little bit.
Oh rly? Is that your only reason for FoSing?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 08:48:24 pm
Also Pandar is a lying scum. He is more than willing to engage in a bit of Refuge in Audacity, as we all remember from the last game, so i do not trust his audacious outburst one little bit.
Oh rly? Is that your only reason for FoSing?

It's half my reason. The other half is because i like blue.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2010, 09:07:29 pm
Unvote... interesting answer, Pandar.

Vector, you were scum last time, and to use that to declare you town this time would be a fallacy.  Therefore you are scum.  Please comment on this undeniable proof of your guilt.

Turtle squirrel salmonella.  Makes about as much sense as your accusation, hey?


"Good morning, ExKirby.  They took me and they hurt me and they brought me here.  You can't trust them, you know.  They are evil and will put devices in your brain.

There are dopps, ExKirby.  There are dopps and we will all die, and maybe it will be your fault.

Are you a dopp, ExKirby?  Are you going to try to hurt us again?  Vector doesn't like hurters.  No, not one bit."


</obligatory flavortext>
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 09:25:30 pm
Voting Vector for flavortext.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: JanusTwoface on January 26, 2010, 09:52:38 pm
Hmm.  Let's see.

Org RVs Kashyyk for something from another game. +1 scumpoint

Leafsnail RVs Pandarsenic with a legit question.

Pandarsenic is insane.  RVs webadict with an odd question. +1 scumpoint

webadict is scum if he survives N1, RVs forsaken with as little evidence as always. +1 scumpoint (because he's still alive)

Neruz votes ExKirby for shaky reasons at best. +1 scumpoint

Leafsnail backs of Pandarsenic, RVs Vector for even shakier reasons. +1 scumpoint

Neruz FoSes Pandarsenic for a half a decent reason (ug FoS). +1 scumpoint

Vector RVs ExKirby in a very flavorful manner.

webadict switchs to Vector for said flavor.

Kashyyk, forsaken, and ExKirby haven't posted yet. +1 scumpoint each

Eeny, meeny, miny, Kashyyk.  With 10 players and 3 scum, how many 3rd parties do you think are around to mess things up?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 10:03:34 pm
Hmm.  Let's see.

Org RVs Kashyyk for something from another game. +1 scumpoint

Leafsnail RVs Pandarsenic with a legit question.

Pandarsenic is insane.  RVs webadict with an odd question. +1 scumpoint

webadict is scum if he survives N1, RVs forsaken with as little evidence as always. +1 scumpoint (because he's still alive)

Neruz votes ExKirby for shaky reasons at best. +1 scumpoint

Leafsnail backs of Pandarsenic, RVs Vector for even shakier reasons. +1 scumpoint

Neruz FoSes Pandarsenic for a half a decent reason (ug FoS). +1 scumpoint

Vector RVs ExKirby in a very flavorful manner.

webadict switchs to Vector for said flavor.

Kashyyk, forsaken, and ExKirby haven't posted yet. +1 scumpoint each

Eeny, meeny, miny, Kashyyk.  With 10 players and 3 scum, how many 3rd parties do you think are around to mess things up?
I'm scummy for still being alive on Day 1? Man, why me? What did I possibly do to everyone to hate me so much?

(Free shot, everyone!)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 10:06:39 pm
You're too much of a risk webby; if you're scum, then you're incredibly, unbelievably dangerous to whichever side you're not on, so everyone wants to kill you, just to be safe.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 10:10:06 pm
You're too much of a risk webby; if you're scum, then you're incredibly, unbelievably dangerous to whichever side you're not on, so everyone wants to kill you, just to be safe.
...If I'm scum? I think that's supposed to be gone :P

Oh don't worry. When was the last time I won the game by myself?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 10:10:47 pm
Thanks to the fact that everyone attempts to kill you at the first available opportunity, Quite awhile ago.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 10:17:29 pm
Psh, I was only ever really good at this game when I could notice the newbie phenomenons that tripped everyone up. That's why I was able to see things no one else did. Now everyone's developed scumtells that are much harder to find. Now, on IRC, it's ridiculously easier, because you're thinking lightning fast. But, now everyone thinks through their every word.

Thanks to me, I suppose.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 10:56:23 pm
Neruz, why do you rape faces?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 10:58:14 pm
Neruz, why do you rape faces?
What is your problem?

And you're scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 10:58:43 pm
Neruz, why do you rape faces?
What is your problem?

And you're scum.

I have no problem.

Why are you scum?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 11:11:13 pm
Apparantly you have a problem with my raping of faces. That's a pretty serious scumtell.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 11:12:41 pm
No, I was just curious what your motivation was.

Avoiding questions is the scumtell.


More seriously, who would you want as your two scum buddies Neruz?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 11:13:28 pm
Neruz, why do you rape faces?
What is your problem?

And you're scum.

I have no problem.

Why are you scum?
Sorry, deflection is a pretty serious scumtell, scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 11:15:14 pm
That's a pretty serious scumtell.
a pretty serious scumtell, scum.
Did you guys rehearse this much, or just a little?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 11:16:06 pm
That's a pretty serious scumtell.
a pretty serious scumtell, scum.
Did you guys rehearse this much, or just a little?
Wow. You're definitely scum now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 11:16:40 pm
Good one Web, now we know why you're king.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 11:18:55 pm
No, I was just curious what your motivation was.

Avoiding questions is the scumtell.


More seriously, who would you want as your two scum buddies Neruz?

webadict definitely, we can get these awesome double-teaming forsaken things going on, that little 'that's a pretty serious scumtell' double team thing we had going there took like a week's worth of practicing.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 11:19:44 pm
It totally worked Neruz. I wasn't scum before but I almost feel like scum now, since web told me I am.

Still not tho.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 11:20:57 pm
Good one Web, now we know why you're king.
I know. So, before I lynch you, would you mind telling me who your partners are? Or, at the very least, a detailed list of who you believe is scum and why.

It totally worked Neruz. I wasn't scum before but I almost feel like scum now, since web told me I am.

Still not tho.
Really? Took... too long.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 11:22:15 pm
My scum partners are Kashyyk and Pandarsenic.

Lynch them and let me live, and I will pass you information. Just don't tell them I turned.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 11:24:14 pm
Sweet, web, our leet skills totally worked. I owe you 5 dollars.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 11:30:23 pm
What can I say, you guys are good.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2010, 11:52:06 pm
My scum partners are Kashyyk and Pandarsenic.

Lynch them and let me live, and I will pass you information. Just don't tell them I turned.
Sweet. We'll just lynch you now, forsaken1111, and we'll investigate them later. Likely Kashyyk isn't scum, but Pandarsenic is, due to probability and human thinking.

Sweet, web, our leet skills totally worked. I owe you 5 dollars.
High five!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2010, 11:52:48 pm
Yeah ok. :)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 26, 2010, 11:54:22 pm
I concur with my ovbious scumbuddy webadict, forsaken1111 is an easy lynch ovbiously scum. Quick, everyone bandwagon him.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Leafsnail on January 27, 2010, 11:39:45 am
Quote from: Janus
Leafsnail RVs Pandarsenic with a legit question.
Right.  So what is:
Quote from: Janus
Leafsnail backs of Pandarsenic, RVs Vector for even shakier reasons. +1 scumpoint
Supposed to mean?

Quote from: Everything else
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Man, I don't know if I can even comment on all that bullshit.  forsaken1111, please clarify what the FUCK you are doing.  It looks too much like RiA or bluffing to me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Mephansteras on January 27, 2010, 12:25:53 pm
The Whiteboard
ExKirby: Vector
forsaken1111: Leafsnail, Neruz, Webadict
Kashyyk: JanusTwoFace, Org
Neruz: forsaken1111
Webadict: Pandarsenic



Reminder, day 1 ends ~5pm Pacific Thursday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 27, 2010, 02:52:34 pm
I cannot make any sense of the last page.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2010, 03:23:51 pm
Unvote.  I hear that ExKirby is having hardware trouble.

Don't think I'm not still watching you.


BECAUSE I'M THE EXTERMINATOR WITH EXKIRBY WEBADICT!!

But not really. Fuck that. ;_; I kept that shit off my list entirely because seriously, tired of dying N1 or D1.

[...]

Webadict, why is my ideal team to face off against such an accurate reflection of reality!?

I call bullshit.  You do recognize that your deaths are independent of whatever list you sent in, correct (i.e., we don't know what your list is, so we can't say clear/condemn you based on it.  More technically, I make an assumption that you have basic Theory of Mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind) going on)?  Thus you have no reason to say this, save for the sheer volume of WIFOM it will generate.  Additionally, if/when you do flip scum, a disgusting amount of WIFOM will be hanging over the three of us (you, myself, and Webadict).

Further, I really have trouble believing that you'd give up the chance to be scum again.

So.

If you're town, you've got no good reason to say this stuff.  If you're scum, then you have every reason.  I conclude, therefore, that you're scum.


Oh don't worry. When was the last time I won the game by myself?

Psh, I was only ever really good at this game when I could notice the newbie phenomenons that tripped everyone up. That's why I was able to see things no one else did. Now everyone's developed scumtells that are much harder to find. Now, on IRC, it's ridiculously easier, because you're thinking lightning fast. But, now everyone thinks through their every word.

Thanks to me, I suppose.

As for you, you're trying far too hard to make yourself look like Harmless Old Uncle Webby.  Though you may speak the truth, I'm getting strong buddying and self-screening vibes from this, which stack with the previous statements about how you're totally going to die N1.

Then...


Likely Kashyyk isn't scum, but Pandarsenic is, due to probability and human thinking.

More screening.  If you're going to throw random crap all over the place, why perform a mirroring screen of Pandarsenic?  This is precisely what Pandarsenic did above.



However, I think the most obvious person here is JanusTwoFace.  Why are you giving out scumpoints so liberally?  I feel like you're trying to set up lynches like you did in both Near-Mountainous and Vote Mafia IV... especially since you're shielding Webadict.

I'll admit that Webadict's flavortext vote was clearly a reaction-tester (like Leafsnail's), but you malign Leafsnail for shaky reasoning while completely passing over Web.  This seems quite suspicious to me, especially given that Leafsnail clearly outlined his vote as baseless... whereas Webadict did not.

Essentially, there is a fundamental inconsistency in your scheme which implicates you as scum.  Go hang.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 27, 2010, 03:33:02 pm
forsaken1111, please clarify what the FUCK you are doing.  It looks too much like RiA or bluffing to me.

Mmm, no? Using big-boy words doesn't make me more inclined to help you figure out the obvious.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2010, 03:41:26 pm
What the hell?

Why is there a band wagon on forsaken already?

Anyway, I understand that Org's vote on me was RV, but what about Janus's? What's your reason, as it looked to fluffed to be an RV.

Also, I think everyone has posted now so I'm gonna go and look for some scumtells of some sort that I missed with my speed reading to get here.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: JanusTwoface on January 27, 2010, 04:03:11 pm
So that mass of insanity between webadict, forsaken, and Neruz...  Why is this even happening?  The WIFOM level there is incredible and everyone is basically just ignoring it.  At least one of them is certifiably scum, although I'm not sure yet which one.

Actually, from past experience on both sides with each of the people, I think this would be the perfect scumteam to try to pull off something like this.  Doesn't mean this is the case, but it is more likely than any other trio in this game that I can think of.

Psh, I was only ever really good at this game when I could notice the newbie phenomenons that tripped everyone up. That's why I was able to see things no one else did. Now everyone's developed scumtells that are much harder to find. Now, on IRC, it's ridiculously easier, because you're thinking lightning fast. But, now everyone thinks through their every word.

Thanks to me, I suppose.

Your dying early so often really doesn't really help with figuring out your scumtells though.

My scum partners are Kashyyk and Pandarsenic.

Lynch them and let me live, and I will pass you information. Just don't tell them I turned.

Are you town being sarcastic or town acting scum being sarcastic?  I'm leaning towards the latter.  Or just insanity.  That works too.  It's not helpful whatever it is.

Quote from: Janus
Leafsnail RVs Pandarsenic with a legit question.
Right.  So what is:
Quote from: Janus
Leafsnail backs of Pandarsenic, RVs Vector for even shakier reasons. +1 scumpoint
Supposed to mean?

Quote from: Everything else
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Man, I don't know if I can even comment on all that bullshit.  forsaken1111, please clarify what the FUCK you are doing.  It looks too much like RiA or bluffing to me.

First you asked Pandarsenic what his ideal scumteam would be.  Good RVS question.  Then you voted Vector because he "was scum last time, and to use that to declare you town this time would be a fallacy."  That's just wrong and you know it.  It's mostly the difference in feel between the two posts, especially going from serious to not that bugs me.

See the above response to forsake for the last part.

I concur with my ovbious scumbuddy webadict, forsaken1111 is an easy lynch ovbiously scum. Quick, everyone bandwagon him.

Basically, the same thing as forsaken.  You act like you're joking, but it's generally only the scum that act.  So you look like scum trying to act town (and failing) while either going for an easy lynch or bussing your partner.

Unvote.  I hear that ExKirby is having hardware trouble.

Don't think I'm not still watching you.

Hardware trouble again?  ExKirby, you have the flakiest computer I've ever heard of...

However, I think the most obvious person here is JanusTwoFace.  Why are you giving out scumpoints so liberally?  I feel like you're trying to set up lynches like you did in both Near-Mountainous and Vote Mafia IV... especially since you're shielding Webadict.

I'll admit that Webadict's flavortext vote was clearly a reaction-tester (like Leafsnail's), but you malign Leafsnail for shaky reasoning while completely passing over Web.  This seems quite suspicious to me, especially given that Leafsnail clearly outlined his vote as baseless... whereas Webadict did not.

Essentially, there is a fundamental inconsistency in your scheme which implicates you as scum.  Go hang.

The scumpoints didn't mean that someone is scum.  They mean that someone was acting scummy.  And it's RVS, so that post should naturally have less weight than this one (for example).

Webadict is acting random.  I really don't care for the mess between him, Neruz, and forsaken.  But random is basically a null tell for webadict day 1.  He does it in pretty much every game he actively posts in.  His scum tells really only show up later.

See above for why I thought Leafsnail was scummy.  It's the same reason that you're voting me now...

forsaken1111, please clarify what the FUCK you are doing.  It looks too much like RiA or bluffing to me.

Mmm, no? Using big-boy words doesn't make me more inclined to help you figure out the obvious.

I'd like a response to this as well, if you please.  And I'm not even swearing at you.

Anyway, I understand that Org's vote on me was RV, but what about Janus's? What's your reason, as it looked to fluffed to be an RV.

I don't post often, but at least I post everything on my mind when I do.  You lurk.  It's your style and you shouldn't be killed strictly for that, but with two votes on you there's a lot more reason for you to show up and post.

unvote.  If you come back and give a more thorough read, it will stay off.

Also, double check ExKirby.  He hasn't posted yet.  Hasn't actually been mentioned (other than Vector saying his computer broke) in about two pages.

NOTE: Vote based lurker prodding.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 27, 2010, 04:06:11 pm
I'd like a response to this as well, if you please.  And I'm not even swearing at you.

Very well. Someone made a baseless accusation against me, I responded with humor and sarcasm as I usually do. Nothing more is going on.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Org on January 27, 2010, 04:25:11 pm
What the hell?

Why is there a band wagon on forsaken already?

Anyway, I understand that Org's vote on me was RV, but what about Janus's? What's your reason, as it looked to fluffed to be an RV.

Also, I think everyone has posted now so I'm gonna go and look for some scumtells of some sort that I missed with my speed reading to get here.
Meh. I dont want you for lylo. Doing town a favor!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: ExKirby on January 27, 2010, 04:47:45 pm
As Vector stated for me, I'm having hardware problems. I can still play, just not as well. I can try to get it sorted over the weekend.

For all of you who voted me for being scum teammate last game, I'm trying to put that behind me.

Janus, I believe your argument on me is faulty. I'll wait for you to revise it.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2010, 05:02:00 pm
well Org, metagaming as we are, I can also claim that I helped win a lylo for the town so that is a moot point.

Yes, I lurk. But I also attempt to post what comes into mind. But not everything! See what happened to me in Webadict's BYOR? I got lynched day 1 for an (admittedly silly) RVS question. That is what happens to me when I speak my mind, 'tis one of the reasons why I don't post much.

Also does no-one ever pay attention to my other (main) reason why I don't post? I have a 4 hour slot during each weekday to post in, most of that is taken up with coursework. Weekends are just dead, so I usually can't get much out of my free time then.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Org on January 27, 2010, 06:06:04 pm
nonononono.

You are a danger at lylo because you fucking switched your vote after no explanation by the scum that we would have killed.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 27, 2010, 10:08:48 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I see you managed to quote a whole bunch on what just happened but just seemed to skip right on oer to JanusTwoface there. Why is that?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Same question to you, except you're saying you're SURE someone among us three are scum, and yet STILL skip over them, instead of pushing points toward us! My goodness!

forsaken1111, please clarify what the FUCK you are doing.  It looks too much like RiA or bluffing to me.

Mmm, no? Using big-boy words doesn't make me more inclined to help you figure out the obvious.
By doing absolutely nothing, you're just making yourself scummier. Not that you could do worse than being scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: JanusTwoface on January 27, 2010, 10:43:58 pm
Janus, I believe your argument on me is faulty. I'll wait for you to revise it.

Which argument was that?  That you hadn't posted yet?  Fair enough.  You've posted.  But not anything of use.

Same question to you, except you're saying you're SURE someone among us three are scum, and yet STILL skip over them, instead of pushing points toward us! My goodness!

Good point.

I'd like a response to this as well, if you please.  And I'm not even swearing at you.

Very well. Someone made a baseless accusation against me, I responded with humor and sarcasm as I usually do. Nothing more is going on.

This is quite literally true from your view point.  Other than the previous craziness, what have you done to help us?

forsaken1111, Neruz, webadict

Who do you (seriously this time) think is scum?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 27, 2010, 10:57:52 pm
I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: JanusTwoface on January 27, 2010, 11:04:48 pm
I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.

What about the other two?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 27, 2010, 11:08:17 pm
I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.

What about the other two?
The other two people or the other two scum? It's not very clear. But, likely Pandarsenic and Vector. For now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 27, 2010, 11:39:44 pm
Well I'd prefer not to die, if only because it will cause the town to lose a day voting a townie, but I understand how day 1 is and someone needs to go down so we can get some information tonight.

But seeing as there's already a bandwagon on me just for defending myself and some sarcasm, I guess I'm done for. :)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 12:17:01 am
First you asked Pandarsenic what his ideal scumteam would be.  Good RVS question.  Then you voted Vector because he "was scum last time, and to use that to declare you town this time would be a fallacy."  That's just wrong and you know it.  It's mostly the difference in feel between the two posts, especially going from serious to not that bugs me.

[...]

The scumpoints didn't mean that someone is scum.  They mean that someone was acting scummy.  And it's RVS, so that post should naturally have less weight than this one (for example).

Webadict is acting random.  I really don't care for the mess between him, Neruz, and forsaken.  But random is basically a null tell for webadict day 1.  He does it in pretty much every game he actively posts in.  His scum tells really only show up later.

See above for why I thought Leafsnail was scummy.  It's the same reason that you're voting me now...

I still don't like this at all.  "Webadict acts scummy, but it doesn't count as a scumtell because it's Webadict.  Leafsnail acts a bit odd, but it does count because Leafsnail does not get Webadict-privileges."

Fundamentally, the two questions asked were the same.  One signaled to everyone that it was baseless.  The other simply was baseless.

In my opinion, baseless without an explanation is far worse than baseless with an explanation (though both are reaction-testing votes, and neither should really be considered scummy).  But you're passing over one and attacking the other, for what seems like little reason.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 28, 2010, 12:19:13 am
I am actually with web on this one, forsaken is being horrifically passive at the moment, the other two scum are still unknowns, although Janus seems to be niggling at the corner of my mind for some undefined reason, possibly Kashykk or Exkirby for the third scum, but it's not much to go on yet.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 28, 2010, 12:20:33 am
Careful Neruz, you're getting a bit obvious now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 12:21:00 am
Bah, I posted the second half of the post, but abandoned the answer to Web:

Webadict: I skipped over to JTF because my other points were more theoretical in nature.  I believe you and Pandarsenic to be scum, but he seems like the most likely candidate for the nonce.  I've only got one vote to use on someone, after all.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 28, 2010, 12:30:13 am
Careful Neruz, you're getting a bit obvious now.

Ohshi- you're right. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 28, 2010, 09:12:21 am
Bah, I posted the second half of the post, but abandoned the answer to Web:

Webadict: I skipped over to JTF because my other points were more theoretical in nature.  I believe you and Pandarsenic to be scum, but he seems like the most likely candidate for the nonce.  I've only got one vote to use on someone, after all.
Well, that's 2 right there. Not sure how you got either of those, neither, and jumping to JanusTwoface despite believing one of those two are scum is incredibly scummy, given that you're trying to push a case instead of actually ascertaining your claim that one of those two are scum.

And, because you have no real evidence, I'm really waiting to hear what you have to say about EITHEr of those claims that those three are scum, especially because somehow I'm scum and forsaken is not.

What kind of reaction is that, eh? Is this normal for you? Perhaps you seem to think that being on forsaken's side is somehow easier to swallow? I don't see it at all. forsaken is being rather obvious, and he has yet to defend himself.

Well I'd prefer not to die, if only because it will cause the town to lose a day voting a townie, but I understand how day 1 is and someone needs to go down so we can get some information tonight.

But seeing as there's already a bandwagon on me just for defending myself and some sarcasm, I guess I'm done for. :)
You never once defended yourself. You basically said, "LOLWUT?" to everything, passing all votes on you as jokes, as per Org did in Paranormal 4. Or 5. Or something. And that's why I'm voting you. You didn't defend yourself once. So, you're going to die.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 01:13:24 pm
The Whiteboard
ExKirby: JanusTwoFace
forsaken1111: Leafsnail, Neruz, Webadict
JanusTwoFace: Vector
Kashyyk: Org
Neruz: forsaken1111
Webadict: Pandarsenic



Day ends at ~5pm Pacific today
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 28, 2010, 01:44:41 pm
You never once defended yourself. You basically said, "LOLWUT?" to everything, passing all votes on you as jokes, as per Org did in Paranormal 4. Or 5. Or something. And that's why I'm voting you. You didn't defend yourself once. So, you're going to die.

Hard to defend when you don't give a reason. What you want me to say? I said I'm not scum. Doesn't matter though, you guys always do this.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 02:13:30 pm
Well, that's 2 right there. Not sure how you got either of those, neither, and jumping to JanusTwoface despite believing one of those two are scum is incredibly scummy, given that you're trying to push a case instead of actually ascertaining your claim that one of those two are scum.

And, because you have no real evidence, I'm really waiting to hear what you have to say about EITHER of those claims that those three are scum, especially because somehow I'm scum and forsaken is not.

What kind of reaction is that, eh? Is this normal for you? Perhaps you seem to think that being on forsaken's side is somehow easier to swallow? I don't see it at all. forsaken is being rather obvious, and he has yet to defend himself.

Oh, for crying out loud.  Do you see this, folks?  He's trying to group me with Forsaken in a sort of anti-buddying maneuver.  Further, there's this silly attempt to get me to question my normalcy, or something... way to paint me funky colors, Web.

Additionally, nice use of slang to ingratiate yourself.  It's so cute when you try to pass yourself off as innocent.


I've got no bloody clue about Forsaken1111, doodabuddy.  Either he's fooling around or he's RiAing, and I can't determine which... so for now, I'm addressing what I can address, rather than getting trapped in the center ring antics.  I don't have any real evidence, so I'm trying to gather real evidence.  Starting with JTF.

Would it have been better if I'd put my attack on JTF on top, then mentioned why I think you and Pandarsenic are scum?  Or is the real problem just that you two happen to be on that list, and it makes you uncomfortable?

I saw it, so I wrote it.  I'm going to keep watching you until I'm certain, and then either you two can hang or you can help.  It all depends on your behavior.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2010, 02:18:11 pm
What does RiAing mean, I seem to be lost.

Also Org:
I see what you're on about now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 02:20:32 pm
"Refuge in Audacity."  Scum act crazy in an effort to make people think "He's so scummy that he can't be scum!"
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 28, 2010, 02:23:32 pm
I think you're all trying much too hard to put a label to me, and it's blinding you from what happened. They made very silly, baseless attacks and I responded with sarcasm because you cannot effectively defend yourself against an attack made without any logic behind it. If sarcasm makes me scum, fine. Vote me and see how wrong you were, waste a day for the town and let the scum get a free shot in.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Leafsnail on January 28, 2010, 03:30:32 pm
Quote from: JTF
Good point.
Er... did you just say someone you think is scum has a good point against you?  In fact, you don't seem to be pushing webadict at all.
Quote from: forsaken
Well I'd prefer not to die, if only because it will cause the town to lose a day voting a townie, but I understand how day 1 is and someone needs to go down so we can get some information tonight.
Lame, defence is lame.  Aren't you even going to pretend you care about finding scum?
Quote from: Vector
Oh, for crying out loud.  Do you see this, folks?  He's trying to group me with Forsaken in a sort of anti-buddying maneuver.  Further, there's this silly attempt to get me to question my normalcy, or something... way to paint me funky colors, Web.
He's certainly implying a link, Vector, but I don't see why this is a scumtell, or why you would base a case on it.  You've stated you have no real evidence, yet you seemed to have marked three people as scum.  Why?
Quote from: forsaken
I think you're all trying much too hard to put a label to me, and it's blinding you from what happened. They made very silly, baseless attacks and I responded with sarcasm because you cannot effectively defend yourself against an attack made without any logic behind it. If sarcasm makes me scum, fine. Vote me and see how wrong you were, waste a day for the town and let the scum get a free shot in.
Dodging accusations and derailing discussion is ALWAYS scummy, forsaken. And this AtE isn't helping.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 28, 2010, 03:34:13 pm
Well, whatever. This whole thing seems pointless if I'm to be crucified over a joke. I'm being attacked for not defending myself, but the attacks have no reason or fact behind them and thus nothing to defend against.

Keep hurling vaporous accusations, I'm sure the weak-willed will fall into line and the scum will win again.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 04:01:22 pm
Quote from: Vector
Oh, for crying out loud.  Do you see this, folks?  He's trying to group me with Forsaken in a sort of anti-buddying maneuver.  Further, there's this silly attempt to get me to question my normalcy, or something... way to paint me funky colors, Web.
He's certainly implying a link, Vector, but I don't see why this is a scumtell, or why you would base a case on it.  You've stated you have no real evidence, yet you seemed to have marked three people as scum.  Why?

No.  He's doing this the scum-way, not the town-way.  He is implying a link, rather than exposing it.  He is not coming out and actually saying things aloud; he's trying to screw with underground processes, not only to group me with forsaken, but also to separate me from the rest of the group and convince me to stand down.

Why would I base a case on this?  Because this is how you play good scum.  It is not how you play good town; it's how you play good scum.

Good town doesn't need to separate its opponents from the crowd and subtly identify them as a target.  Good town does not need to make subtle connections between an attacker and an anti-town player.  The connections should be blatant.

I have "no real evidence" but what falls into my theory of diction and phraseology.  Since I don't share minds with anyone here, all I can do is say is that it's there, and that I'm going to keep watching until I see something so obvious that I can build a reasonable case in others' eyes.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 28, 2010, 04:33:06 pm
So, you're waiting for the obvious lynches?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 04:40:16 pm
So, you're waiting for the obvious lynches?

...

I have made a conjecture which I am almost certain is true.  However, I am waiting to make that conjecture into a cornerstone of mathematics until I have a proof.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Org on January 28, 2010, 05:13:12 pm
I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.
??
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 28, 2010, 06:04:09 pm
I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.
??
According to the theory that you didn't say you were Town when accused of being Scum, which has since been disproved by you (Only because you were informed about the scumtell.)

Hence, I've named it the Org Theory of Scummitude, which implies that newbie scum will NOT say they aren't scum (Or that they're town) if they have never heard of the Org Theory of Scummitude.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 28, 2010, 06:51:08 pm
I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.
??
According to the theory that you didn't say you were Town when accused of being Scum, which has since been disproved by you (Only because you were informed about the scumtell.)

Hence, I've named it the Org Theory of Scummitude, which implies that newbie scum will NOT say they aren't scum (Or that they're town) if they have never heard of the Org Theory of Scummitude.

But... I said I'm not scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 28, 2010, 06:54:08 pm
You said it 5 posts in. Way past the limit of two posts.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 28, 2010, 06:54:57 pm
You said it 5 posts in. Way past the limit of two posts.
So sorry I didn't conform to your unwritten and entirely imaginary rules.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Org on January 28, 2010, 06:55:48 pm
Oh man. A Mafia Theory named after me.

Sweet.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: webadict on January 28, 2010, 07:14:05 pm
You said it 5 posts in. Way past the limit of two posts.
So sorry I didn't conform to your unwritten and entirely imaginary rules.
You also haven't done much to defend yourself, other than saying that you didn't defend yourself and that you said you were town once.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Neruz on January 28, 2010, 07:56:14 pm
forsaken, right now you are the absolute image of passivity; passivity is usually a solid scumtell.

Furthermore, your posts are full of silent threat, the "Oh well you can lynch me, i don't care, but you'll be wrooonng" response you're tottering about at the moment is incredibly scummy, since it's trying to make people doubt voting for you without actually defending yourself.


Basically, it's not the fact that you failed to respond to the rediculousness, it's how you failed to respond, and you failed to respond in an extremely passive and scummy way.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 1 - The Government Hates You
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 08:12:58 pm
The Whiteboard
forsaken1111: Leafsnail, Neruz, Webadict, JanusTwoFace
JanusTwoFace: Vector
Kashyyk: Org
Neruz: forsaken1111
Webadict: Pandarsenic


  JanusTwoFace picks up the revolver and points it at forsaken1111's head.

  "Sorry, bub, someone's got to die, or we all do"

  The blast of the gun startles everyone, especially Neruz who gets splattered with brains and guts. They're just human brains and guts, though. He's obviously not a doppelganger. Looking at the corpse, you find a press pass, a notebook, and some pens. Looks like he was a Reporter of some sort.

  The voice from the ceiling speaks: "Return to your rooms. You shall repeat this process tomorrow".

  Shaken and a bit worried, you head off for the night.




Day 1 has ended. Night roles, send in your actions. Night will go until ~5pm Pacific Friday.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Night 1
Post by: Mephansteras on January 30, 2010, 07:21:19 pm

  The next day you are woken by a blaring buzzer. Groggily you get your selves ready, finding a new set of clothing and some food next to your bed. After a bit, the voice from the ceiling instructs you to return to the meeting chamber.

  So you do. Looking around, you see that JanusTwoFace and Vector are missing.

  "During the night, JanusTwoFace turned into an Advanced Doppelganger, and attacked Vector. Fortunately for the War Vet, he was armed. Unfortunately for him, it was not enough to prevent his death. However, the doppelganger died as well."

  The room buzzes as everyone talks about this revelation.

  "Today, however, is the same as yesterday. There are still two doppelgangers among you. Determine which of you is a doppelganger, and kill them."




Day 2 had started. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Night 1
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 30, 2010, 07:23:26 pm
Wow, unlucky break for the dopps. Almost makes up for the town wasting time on me.

Ahh well, deadpost over.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2010, 07:24:36 pm
BAH-HAHA.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on January 30, 2010, 07:37:20 pm
Oh damn, that has to smart.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: JanusTwoface on January 30, 2010, 08:38:24 pm
Twice in a row now I've died night 1... :(

Go team scum!

(back to being dead now)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on January 30, 2010, 08:44:52 pm
It's Karma Janus, you're going to join Webadict in the 'people that absolutely must die n1 list'
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on January 30, 2010, 09:28:53 pm
Oh no. I bet this is going to be like Para 2 all over again.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on January 31, 2010, 04:00:28 am
What happened in Para 2?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on January 31, 2010, 05:23:02 am
Wasn't Para 2 the one with 3 Paranoid War Vets and all the Dopps and Exterminator all got baited into attacking all the Vets?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on January 31, 2010, 06:45:55 am
That's just... ouch.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on January 31, 2010, 06:53:03 am
Yeah it was pretty funny.

Considering the long-odds of the Adv Dopp managing to land on a War Vet, the Dopps must be feeling some serious butthurt right about now. Hopefully more than a little paranoia too, kinda like those War Vets.


Mind you, Janus Adv. Dopping N1 was kind of stupid, as far as i'm aware he wasn't getting any heat at all, really should have saved that.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on January 31, 2010, 06:56:15 am
Meph, i have a question; if a Guard type dopp were to Guard Janus when he attempted his Adv Dopp on Vector, would the Guard die instead of Janus?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on January 31, 2010, 08:07:12 am
Actually... Janus must've been performing a normal nightkill if Vector died too.  An advanced dopp attempting to replace a PWV would surely either successfully convert his target or die without killing his target... there's no reason why both he and his target would die, otherwise.

Mephansteras: If an AD tries to replace a PWV, what is the result?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on January 31, 2010, 12:33:42 pm
A Conversion requires killing the target (eating the player and then taking their place), therefore both would die.

@Neruz: Yes, a guard would die instead. A Guardian would prevent the death of the person they were protecting without dying, of course.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2010, 05:01:15 pm
Well, if Janus was performing a normal night kill (instead of consuming someone) then that would mean that the other two dopp's have good abilities. detective or psychic warden for example. If he was replacing someone then we know that the dopp's night kill got blocked. So good guess to the psychic warden/guardian if this is true.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on January 31, 2010, 05:04:23 pm
Yep.

Kashyyk

Why would you point out the obvious?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2010, 05:06:08 pm
Just in case someone didn't notice it. I've done that on occasion.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on January 31, 2010, 05:13:04 pm
Scum
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on January 31, 2010, 05:22:26 pm
Hmm, if a Guard would die in that situation, i think i can clear Webadict.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 01, 2010, 12:01:06 am
Hehehe. What a shame, Janus. And here I thought I was going to be useful.

Wasn't Para 2 the one with 3 Paranoid War Vets and all the Dopps and Exterminator all got baited into attacking all the Vets?
Incorrect. It was through a series of unfortunate events that the Doppelgangers lost to a huge town base.

Anyhow, Janus was my target for today. Does anyone have anything important to say?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 01, 2010, 12:05:41 am
Pretty much that i can confirm you targeted Janus, as far as i am aware, if you are a Dopp the only reason for you to do that would be you being a Guard, as in that circumstance you would be dead, not Janus, it seems most likely that you are town.

I can also conclude that you're presumably an investigatory role, since your action did not stop Janus from attempting a kill.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 01, 2010, 12:07:41 am
Fuuuu.

Forum lagged and tagged it as an edit, goddamn :C
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 01, 2010, 12:26:26 am
Pretty much that i can confirm you targeted Janus, as far as i am aware, if you are a Dopp the only reason for you to do that would be you being a Guard, as in that circumstance you would be dead, not Janus, it seems most likely that you are town.

I can also conclude that you're presumably an investigatory role, since your action did not stop Janus from attempting a kill.
If it matters, I'm actually a Kook Vigilante. I tried to kill JanusTwoface last Night, but Vector beat me to the punch.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 01, 2010, 12:27:20 am
Oic, Vig would work too.


Damn, lucky Janus targeted Vector, otherwise we could have had us a nice cup of wine.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 01, 2010, 12:31:02 am
Oic, Vig would work too.


Damn, lucky Janus targeted Vector, otherwise we could have had us a nice cup of wine.
... Yes. I was really dreading being wrong.

Anyhow, I think Pandarsenic needs to come out and play. Eventually.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: dakarian on February 01, 2010, 12:47:22 am
Twice in a row now I've died night 1... :(

Go team scum!

(back to being dead now)

Welcome to the dead-by-day-1 club.  Enjoy the tea. :/
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 01, 2010, 02:39:46 am
Twice in a row now I've died night 1... :(

Go team scum!

(back to being dead now)

Welcome to the dead-by-day-1 club.  Enjoy the tea. :/
Yeah, all I need is to be lynched one day earlier and I can join.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 01, 2010, 11:43:59 am
The Whiteboard
Kashyyk: Org
Pandarsenic: Webadict



Reminder: Day 2 ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 01, 2010, 11:48:46 am
Personally, guys, I think we need a massclaim.  There are seven of us and two dopps, and it's more than likely they'll have a Mad Scientist due to the nature of this game.  I learnt this the hard way last round >.>
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 01, 2010, 11:53:57 am
Do we really? i think we're doing alright actually.

On a side note org:

Do you have any real basis to your accusations? Something I can actually defend against?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 01, 2010, 12:51:46 pm
Personally, guys, I think we need a massclaim.  There are seven of us and two dopps, and it's more than likely they'll have a Mad Scientist due to the nature of this game.  I learnt this the hard way last round >.>
Wait until the next day. We don't need one desperatly, but if we accidentaly go for another War Vet with one of our roles, we will be at mylo, with a possibility of night loss. So we should leave it until then.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 01, 2010, 01:01:52 pm
Oh yeah, 8, not 7.  Damn, miscounted >.>.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 01, 2010, 04:28:30 pm
Do we really? i think we're doing alright actually.

On a side note org:

Do you have any real basis to your accusations? Something I can actually defend against?
Org Theory of Scummitude
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 01, 2010, 04:56:56 pm
Do we really? i think we're doing alright actually.

On a side note org:

Do you have any real basis to your accusations? Something I can actually defend against?
Org Theory of Scummitude
You can't use your own theory against someone.

We'll just see how theorific you get when I shoot you in the face.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 01, 2010, 04:59:24 pm
Ill shoot you in the face.

With a defibrillator.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 01, 2010, 05:14:46 pm
Ill shoot you in the face.

With a defibrillator.
Gun wins.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 01, 2010, 08:30:03 pm
We can probably rely on two deaths tonite.


Org, both you and webadict always manage to make me weary, but i'm fairly sure webadict is town, therefore you are scum.


Also, Pandarsenic. GET IN HEAH.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 01, 2010, 08:32:19 pm
We can probably rely on two deaths tonite.


Org, both you and webadict always manage to make me weary, but i'm fairly sure webadict is town, therefore you are scum.


Also, Pandarsenic. GET IN HEAH.
I am not scum. I am definitely not scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 01, 2010, 09:17:42 pm
We can probably rely on two deaths tonite.


Org, both you and webadict always manage to make me weary, but i'm fairly sure webadict is town, therefore you are scum.


Also, Pandarsenic. GET IN HEAH.
I am not scum. I am definitely not scum.
Your flawless defence has convinced me.

Unvote, vote Pandarsenic.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 01, 2010, 09:33:18 pm
We can probably rely on two deaths tonite.


Org, both you and webadict always manage to make me weary, but i'm fairly sure webadict is town, therefore you are scum.


Also, Pandarsenic. GET IN HEAH.
I am not scum. I am definitely not scum.
Your flawless defence has convinced me.

Unvote, vote Pandarsenic.
I know, rite?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 02, 2010, 03:25:44 pm
We can probably rely on two deaths tonite.


Org, both you and webadict always manage to make me weary, but i'm fairly sure webadict is town, therefore you are scum.


Also, Pandarsenic. GET IN HEAH.
I am not scum. I am definitely not scum.
Your flawless defence has convinced me.

Unvote, vote Pandarsenic.
I know, rite?
......I'm not even gonne comment on that, I'm just gonna vote Neruz for generally being as thick as a plank.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 02, 2010, 03:30:29 pm
The Whiteboard
Kashyyk: Org
Neruz: ExKirby
Pandarsenic: Neruz, Webadict



Day 2 ends at ~5pm Pacific Today.

Pandarsenic needs to post or PM me today or he will be prodded.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 02, 2010, 04:05:35 pm
We can probably rely on two deaths tonite.


Org, both you and webadict always manage to make me weary, but i'm fairly sure webadict is town, therefore you are scum.


Also, Pandarsenic. GET IN HEAH.
I am not scum. I am definitely not scum.
Your flawless defence has convinced me.

Unvote, vote Pandarsenic.
...

...

...

Neruz... what.  This is the very definition of passivity!  Hurling a vote on someone before whipping it away as a joke.  Pandarsenic's still on VA/L, so I don't see any town reasons for doing this (other than he's currently absent and you'd be able to push through a mislynch on him).  In addition to the stupid reason for voting in the first place.

Also: Extension.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 02, 2010, 04:54:06 pm
How about you get rid of those Neruz votes, and I won't shoot you in the face?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 02, 2010, 05:00:45 pm
lol. Let's all dogpile on Neruz.

But seriously, I wish I was the kind of person who would get away (partially at least) with something like that. So I'm voting him for being passive, and dropping the largest Scumbomb I have ever seen.

PPE:

Why webadict? How can you prove he is on the same side as you? Unless you know this and you're scum as well.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 02, 2010, 05:06:22 pm
lol. Let's all dogpile on Neruz.

But seriously, I wish I was the kind of person who would get away (partially at least) with something like that. So I'm voting him for being passive, and dropping the largest Scumbomb I have ever seen.

PPE:

Why webadict? How can you prove he is on the same side as you? Unless you know this and you're scum as well.
What good would it do for him, being scum, to pretty much confirm me as town? Why, oh why, would anyone do that? Is it because they're choice of Doppelganger

So, if you don't remove your votes, I'll assume you're scum, and I'll shoot you in the face. Okay? Because voting Neruz right now is pretty scummy, especially given the lack of real content in your vote.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 02, 2010, 06:58:59 pm
I've confirmed Webadict, were i to die, i would super confirm Webadict, and then the Dopps would kill him. GREAT TOWN WORK THERE GIES.


Also, i was unware that Pandarsenic had a legit reason to be away, so we're back to Org. HARROW ORG.

Give me a reason why you are not scum. Or not a good lynch choice due to being useless as per the norm.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 02, 2010, 07:06:03 pm
lol. Let's all dogpile on Neruz.

But seriously, I wish I was the kind of person who would get away (partially at least) with something like that. So I'm voting him for being passive, and dropping the largest Scumbomb I have ever seen.

PPE:

Why webadict? How can you prove he is on the same side as you? Unless you know this and you're scum as well.
What good would it do for him, being scum, to pretty much confirm me as town? Why, oh why, would anyone do that? Is it because they're choice of Doppelganger

So, if you don't remove your votes, I'll assume you're scum, and I'll shoot you in the face. Okay? Because voting Neruz right now is pretty scummy, especially given the lack of real content in your vote.
EBWOP: Is it because they're choice of Doppelganger involves confirming town?

Also, I'm serious about killing you. You WILL unvote, and you WILL do it now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 02, 2010, 07:08:17 pm
I've confirmed Webadict, were i to die, i would super confirm Webadict, and then the Dopps would kill him. GREAT TOWN WORK THERE GIES.


Also, i was unware that Pandarsenic had a legit reason to be away, so we're back to Org. HARROW ORG.

Give me a reason why you are not scum. Or not a good lynch choice due to being useless as per the norm.
I am not scum. I did not do anything last night. I am not scum. I am a townie. I am not scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 02, 2010, 07:11:42 pm
I've confirmed Webadict, were i to die, i would super confirm Webadict, and then the Dopps would kill him. GREAT TOWN WORK THERE GIES.


Also, i was unware that Pandarsenic had a legit reason to be away, so we're back to Org. HARROW ORG.

Give me a reason why you are not scum. Or not a good lynch choice due to being useless as per the norm.
I am not scum. I did not do anything last night. I am not scum. I am a townie. I am not scum.
:|

This is my serious face.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 02, 2010, 07:13:20 pm
Webadict, this behaviour bothers me.  For one thing, it doesn't confirm you - what else might be killing a doppelganger in the night?  Secondly, it doesn't confirm Neruz - he only piped up after you mentioned you actioned Janus, and trading a sortof cleared townie (you) for a sortof cleared dopp (Neruz) wouldn't actually be too bad a deal (think Josh in Bay 12 Mafia).

Now, as far as I can tell, you're defending him purely on the grounds that he claims to back you up.  Does his behaviour suggest town to you?  If it does, why?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 02, 2010, 07:21:59 pm
Now, as far as I can tell, you're defending him purely on the grounds that he claims to back you up.  Does his behaviour suggest town to you?  If it does, why?

What good would it do for him, being scum, to pretty much confirm me as town? Why, oh why, would anyone do that? Is it because they're choice of Doppelganger


Herp Derp.


WA is is backing me up because he knows he's town, and he knows i've somewhat confirmed him. If WA was a guard, then him targeting Janus would mean he would be dead, not Janus, as this is not the case, WA is not a guard.

There is no other role in the game that would willingly want to target an ally.

Ergo, i can conclude from this that A: WA is not a Guard and B: WA did not know who's side Janus was on. From these two factors, i can conclude that WA is either Town, or Alien Exterminator, as if he were a doppelganger he would have known Janus was a dopp too, and would have had absolutely zero reason to target Janus with his action.


Now, the Exterminator possibility does still exist, but for the moment i am discarding that, we can examine it later, once we've got the Dopps lined up. The Exterminator is technically a threat to both town and Dopps, but i would actually class him as a greater threat to the Dopps, as he can night-kill.

The town Vig claim is also an odd one for the Exterminator to pull, were WA really the Exterminator, it would have been far easier for him to claim an investigatory role instead, like i suggested. The fact that he claimed Vig is a slight town-point in his favor.



So at the moment, WA is confirmed Not-Dopp, and seems more Town than Alien, for a Day 2 result, that's more than good enough for me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 02, 2010, 07:23:43 pm
Kashyyk is lurking.


I am not scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 02, 2010, 07:24:16 pm
Kashyyk is lurking.


I am not scum.
:|
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 02, 2010, 07:26:14 pm
Kashyyk is lurking.


I am not scum.
:|
:I
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 02, 2010, 08:31:31 pm
Webadict, this behaviour bothers me.  For one thing, it doesn't confirm you - what else might be killing a doppelganger in the night?  Secondly, it doesn't confirm Neruz - he only piped up after you mentioned you actioned Janus, and trading a sortof cleared townie (you) for a sortof cleared dopp (Neruz) wouldn't actually be too bad a deal (think Josh in Bay 12 Mafia).

Now, as far as I can tell, you're defending him purely on the grounds that he claims to back you up.  Does his behaviour suggest town to you?  If it does, why?
I'm defending him on the grounds that I have a GUN POINTED AT YOUR FACE. You can choose to listen, and make a, rather terrible, assumption that I'm lying (Either about if I'm bluffing, or if the gun is actually loaded), or you can believe me, because I don't see him as a Doppelganger.

Either way, whether you don't want to get killed, you believe I'm town, or you think Neruz is also town, I would suggest not voting for Neruz, because all of the above are true.

Because, seriously, you have no proof he is town, whereas I can and WILL shoot you if you pretend you do.

Your reasoning is as follows Leafsnail: "You are acting weird by protecting Neruz. I am making vague jabs at your unconfirmedness to instill a sense of insecurity in the town. Despite you believing you are town, and by extension, Neruz, town should not protect those who they think are town."

So, how's about this: You can try again, with a real argument that isn't about a 30 on the passive scale; you can remove your vote, likely with a terrible excuse about how you were wrong; or you can keep your vote where it is, using your current horrible logic with the hopes that the bandwagon will cover your backside.

Either way, Neruz is more than likely enough town.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 12:42:00 am
Due to extension requests and RL making me far too busy today, deadline is extended to ~5pm Pacific Wednesday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 03, 2010, 02:40:00 am
Webadict, this behaviour bothers me.  For one thing, it doesn't confirm you - what else might be killing a doppelganger in the night?  Secondly, it doesn't confirm Neruz - he only piped up after you mentioned you actioned Janus, and trading a sortof cleared townie (you) for a sortof cleared dopp (Neruz) wouldn't actually be too bad a deal (think Josh in Bay 12 Mafia).

Now, as far as I can tell, you're defending him purely on the grounds that he claims to back you up.  Does his behaviour suggest town to you?  If it does, why?
I'm defending him on the grounds that I have a GUN POINTED AT YOUR FACE. You can choose to listen, and make a, rather terrible, assumption that I'm lying (Either about if I'm bluffing, or if the gun is actually loaded), or you can believe me, because I don't see him as a Doppelganger.

Either way, whether you don't want to get killed, you believe I'm town, or you think Neruz is also town, I would suggest not voting for Neruz, because all of the above are true.

Because, seriously, you have no proof he is town, whereas I can and WILL shoot you if you pretend you do.

Your reasoning is as follows Leafsnail: "You are acting weird by protecting Neruz. I am making vague jabs at your unconfirmedness to instill a sense of insecurity in the town. Despite you believing you are town, and by extension, Neruz, town should not protect those who they think are town."

So, how's about this: You can try again, with a real argument that isn't about a 30 on the passive scale; you can remove your vote, likely with a terrible excuse about how you were wrong; or you can keep your vote where it is, using your current horrible logic with the hopes that the bandwagon will cover your backside.

Either way, Neruz is more than likely enough town.
(unvote) Web, this all rides on the fact that YOU ARE TOWN VIG. I reckon you're Vanilla Dopp. Both can kill. And I do think Neruz is still a dopp... but you're a dopp sooner. If you were town vig, you could've killed, but you clearly didn't because there were only 2 deaths and we know that both are due to the Dopp NK-which you helped decide upon!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 02:42:46 am
wow.

Unvote.


ExKirby, you just scum slipped so badly it's not even funny. The reason there was no third kill is because Webadict targeted Janus. I've already said this, several times.

You are either a complete and total idiot, or you are scum trying to get a townie lynched. Since i'm fairly sure you are not an idiot, that leaves the scum option. HELLO SCUM.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 03, 2010, 02:52:29 am
wow.

Unvote.


ExKirby, you just scum slipped so badly it's not even funny. The reason there was no third kill is because Webadict targeted Janus. I've already said this, several times.

You are either a complete and total idiot, or you are scum trying to get a townie lynched. Since i'm fairly sure you are not an idiot, that leaves the scum option. HELLO SCUM.
And you believe this? If he targeted Janus, then there's no proof. He could have stayed at his quaters for all we know.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 03:08:37 am
wow.

Unvote.


ExKirby, you just scum slipped so badly it's not even funny. The reason there was no third kill is because Webadict targeted Janus. I've already said this, several times.

You are either a complete and total idiot, or you are scum trying to get a townie lynched. Since i'm fairly sure you are not an idiot, that leaves the scum option. HELLO SCUM.
And you believe this? If he targeted Janus, then there's no proof. He could have stayed at his quaters for all we know.
...
...

...

I know he targeted Janus you idiot.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 03, 2010, 03:09:29 am
Remind me how?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 04:11:18 am
Rolefishing now are we?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 03, 2010, 06:58:32 am
Deflecting, are we?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 07:02:00 am
It doesn't take a genius to look through the role list and work out which roles can discover who someone targeted. It clearly takes a leap of monumental proportions to realise that i am one of these roles.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 03, 2010, 09:08:04 am
Remind me how?
You can't be serious.

Rolefishing now are we?
He can't be serious.

Deflecting, are we?
They can't be serious.

ExKirby, you're a moron. And it's CLEAR you are. But I'll thank you for the WIFOM, because it JUST might keep me alive. If it does, I'll merely have more chances to save everyone in the town. I'm a one-man lynching crew.

Org, you're jumping in there for no reason. Which means you have no evidence against Neruz, and you're not GOING to have any, other than the tiny chances you ever get at being a moron and thinking you have evidence.

I'll make this loud and clear:

ANYONE VOTING FOR NERUZ IS SCUM OR REALLY STUPID TOWN.

UNVOTE NOW. YOU WILL UNVOTE OR YOU WILL WIND UP DROWNING IN A POOL OF YOUR BLOOD, SOME STRANGER'S BLOOD, AND YOUR FAMILY'S BLOOD.


But, Leafsnail, have you no clever retort? Could you not find the words to challenge me, scumboy? And here I thought you're try. Heck, I was expecting that you'd at LEAST try to frame me (It'd be better than ExKirby's fail logic.) You know what I mean? You didn't attempt anything, so I can only make the assumption you're scum.

Besides, you're pal, Kashyyk is also scum. Leafsnail + Kashyyk are the scum. That's what I've got for today.

Basically, using Kashyyk's line of thinking, he didn't claim he was Town from the getgo (A rather bad habit of his), he likely chose a ton of Doppelganger roles, because he HATES being Town, and his incessant lurking is more than just his normal attitude (Look at his posts. He never even got around to actually voting.)

That's a wrap.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 03, 2010, 09:17:02 am
And given that this is probably mylo, we should claim.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 12:45:56 pm
The Whiteboard
ExKirby: Neruz
Kashyyk: Org
Leafsnail: Webadict
Neruz: Kashyyk, Leafsnail
Webadict: ExKirby



Reminder - Day 2 ends ~5pm Pacific Today
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 03, 2010, 12:47:30 pm
Extension
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 03, 2010, 02:29:17 pm
I'm sorry for 'lurking' I have school for fuck sake!

Now, with that out of the way, could you please explain to me where the hell Neruz 'confirmed' you?

And also, remember that he could quite easily be lying and banking on the fact we won't kill him. Remember me confirming you in a previous paranormal? I died to prove it?

Also Webadict. It appears that you are willing to vigkill someone who won't instantaneously conform to you're way of thinking. Fuck you. Shoot me now for all I care. That is fucked up thinking for town, so even if you are town you deserve to die and if you are scum then we have gotten rid of a dangerous role. All you've done is repeatedly shout that Neruz is town and you will murder everyone who votes for him. Knowing you this is some seriously messed up way of hiding you're scum team (dopp or ext).

Also when have I ever said I hated being town? If you want to know my role requests I'll give them to you (If Meph approves) and you will see that I have a completely even proportion.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 02:33:01 pm
Anyone who wishes may post the roles they sent me. I will not, however, confirm or deny the accuracy of such a list.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 03:26:37 pm
Webadict... I'm not really sure what to say.

You seem to have gone into retarded arrogant webadict.  I will say it now - retarded arrogant webadict is a LIABILITY to the town.  You can't accept when you're wrong, and you randomly attack anyone who disagrees with you.  The reverse also seems to apply - if someone does something good for you, you clear them in your mind.

You ask why Neruz would semi-confirm you.  Well, perhaps this is familiar to you.
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I declare that I've "broken the game" and rally everyone into voting for me, so I can revive WA. WA will then be a confirmed townie, and we can declare a mass roleclaim to him. Roles aren't evidence of guilt, so we don't have to worry about this. Whomever is JanetFourEyes will then spend every night protecting WA, because of him being confirmed, so we never have to worry about hitting a protected person by accident.

Zai, follow his orders to the tee. People will assume my innocence, and then we'll ride the resulting zeal to ultimate victory!

Then GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT!
Why?  Because trading a confirmed dopp for a confirmed townie is a very good deal for the dopps.  Especially if that means the vigilante WON'T shoot them, and they'll have a strong degree of control over the vig's kill.  If you can't see why the dopps would want an extra kill and immunity to a vig, then YOU'RE the idiot.

Quite frankly, I'm completely sick of your behaviour.  You dragged the town down in the last two paranormals and you're doing it again now.  If you are, indeed, going to shoot me for voting Neruz, we need to get a doppelganger today.  THAT is why I'm voting Neruz, and I don't care how many threats you yell at me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 03:38:29 pm
Unvote.


Leafsnail, wat. Just. Wat. I cannot see your logic at all, assuming there is any beyond "Fuuuu-, confirmed townie bad, quick scumbuddies, lyyynnnccchh!"

Trading a confirmed dopp for a confirmed townie is a good deal for the dopps? Wat? There's less dopps than there are townies, how could trading a dopp for a townie possibly be a good thing for the dopps, especially when the dopps can just night kill a confirmed townie free of charge?


Seriously Leafsnail. Wat. This isn't like you at all.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 03, 2010, 03:46:35 pm
Webadict... I'm not really sure what to say.

You seem to have gone into retarded arrogant webadict.  I will say it now - retarded arrogant webadict is a LIABILITY to the town.  You can't accept when you're wrong, and you randomly attack anyone who disagrees with you.  The reverse also seems to apply - if someone does something good for you, you clear them in your mind.

You ask why Neruz would semi-confirm you.  Well, perhaps this is familiar to you.
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I declare that I've "broken the game" and rally everyone into voting for me, so I can revive WA. WA will then be a confirmed townie, and we can declare a mass roleclaim to him. Roles aren't evidence of guilt, so we don't have to worry about this. Whomever is JanetFourEyes will then spend every night protecting WA, because of him being confirmed, so we never have to worry about hitting a protected person by accident.

Zai, follow his orders to the tee. People will assume my innocence, and then we'll ride the resulting zeal to ultimate victory!

Then GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT!
Why?  Because trading a confirmed dopp for a confirmed townie is a very good deal for the dopps.  Especially if that means the vigilante WON'T shoot them, and they'll have a strong degree of control over the vig's kill.  If you can't see why the dopps would want an extra kill and immunity to a vig, then YOU'RE the idiot.

Quite frankly, I'm completely sick of your behaviour.  You dragged the town down in the last two paranormals and you're doing it again now.  If you are, indeed, going to shoot me for voting Neruz, we need to get a doppelganger today.  THAT is why I'm voting Neruz, and I don't care how many threats you yell at me.
Aaaaand no evidence. Just a restatement that you refuse to move your vote nor give additional (Read: any) information to think Neruz is a Doppelganger. Killing him won't give you a Doppelganger, but I... maybe I'm wrong about you.

Perhaps. But, you'll need a lot more information than nothing.

I'm sorry for 'lurking' I have school for fuck sake!

Now, with that out of the way, could you please explain to me where the hell Neruz 'confirmed' you?

And also, remember that he could quite easily be lying and banking on the fact we won't kill him. Remember me confirming you in a previous paranormal? I died to prove it?

Also Webadict. It appears that you are willing to vigkill someone who won't instantaneously conform to you're way of thinking. Fuck you. Shoot me now for all I care. That is fucked up thinking for town, so even if you are town you deserve to die and if you are scum then we have gotten rid of a dangerous role. All you've done is repeatedly shout that Neruz is town and you will murder everyone who votes for him. Knowing you this is some seriously messed up way of hiding you're scum team (dopp or ext).

Also when have I ever said I hated being town? If you want to know my role requests I'll give them to you (If Meph approves) and you will see that I have a completely even proportion.

Kashyyk.

Please refer to my BYOR, in which you stated that the "Random Number Generator" hated you. You finally jump in too to state that you're willing to kill me because I'm willing to kill you. You're also NOT thinking I'm a Vigilante, but KNOWING I'm a Vigilante, because you know that Townies don't lie. Your list is crap, but welcome, since I can assume that your list is the same as me posting the front page and saying my role is one of these.

So, you're now trying to lynch me to save yourself as an OMGUS. Yeah, you did die to prove it. Remember that you were town? Are you saying that him proving me and his subsequent lynch is a positive thing now that we're in MYLO?

Or are you assuming that lynching me somehow proves him?

Either way, I'm now being lynched with your vote, which will likely win it for you, given that you're a Doppelganger that wants to kill me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 03:52:04 pm
The Whiteboard
Kashyyk: Org, Webadict
Leafsnail: Neruz
Neruz: Leafsnail
Webadict: ExKirby, Kashyyk
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 03:57:35 pm
Oh hell, day's almost over.

Extension, but in case it doesn't

Unvote, vote Kashykk, i won't let WA get lynched if i can help it.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 04:01:58 pm
One more extension request required to push the day's end to Thursday. After that no more extensions will be possible.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 03, 2010, 04:18:44 pm
Extension

Fine my list was as follows:

Human FBI agent
Human Medium
Doppelganger Mad Scientist
Exterminator
Doppelganger Leader

RNG? you mean Gamer's Fallacy? The thing you occasionally use to conclusively decide that someone is scum when it gives absolutely no information in either direction? And what the hell has that got to do with this?

I'm assuming you are some sort of killing role. I was just using you're claim as Vigilante to put it into perspective of how fucking stupid the idea is.

We have 7 living players. 2 are doppelgangers. that's 5 towny's to 2 Dopps. we mislynch 4:2 dopp kill 3:2 Then it is Lylo. What the hell do you mean it's Mylo now?

And Neruz, please see sense. Webadict is scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 04:20:08 pm
Day is Extended to ~5pm Pacific Thursday. No more extensions are possible.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 04:26:01 pm
If he's scum, then he's an Exterminator, which for the moment is fine with me as at this point in the game an Exterminator is a greater threat to the Dopps than to the Town.

I certainly see no point in lynching WA atm. If he's telling the truth and he's a Vig, then the Dopps really need to kill him like right now. If he's lying and he's an Exterminator, then the Dopps really need to kill him like right now. I would be surprised if WA lasts the night, even though the Dopps know this they cannot afford to have an enemy with a night kill. An Exterminator\Vig is perhaps their greatest threat, doubly so with WA, as he normally gets lynched because no-one listens to him, as an Exterminator\Vig, no-one needs to listen to him.


Lynching WA is just doing the Dopp's job for them, the fact that you cannot see this troubles me greatly and makes me suspect that WA is right about you.



Finally, he thinks it might be mylo now because there is at least one other killing role (Webadict). If we mislynch, we're at 4:2, then we get double night kills from dopps\other killer and we're down to 2:2 if we get unlucky.

Basically, if there are two killers, and it's very likely there are, we are potentially at Mylo right now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 03, 2010, 04:38:29 pm
Well if we lynch Webadict then that is one less killing role to miss isn't it?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 04:41:25 pm
Assuming WA is not town. If he is, then that is a seriously huje mistake. If he's Exterminator, it's still not really a good idea. Remember, the Dopps need to kill the Exterminator too.


Basically, lynching WA is dong the Dopps job for them. Assuming he is a killing role, which is entirely possible and the evidence would support it, the Dopps must kill WA to win. Why should we help them kill him when that is exactly what they want?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 03, 2010, 04:43:51 pm
I s'pose. Still don't like it though. unvote.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 04:49:44 pm
The Whiteboard
Kashyyk: Neruz, Org, Webadict
Neruz: Leafsnail
Webadict: ExKirby
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 04:50:36 pm
You don't have to like it, you just have to accept the facts. And the facts are that the Dopps need WA dead to win, thus lynching him is only assisting them.

Now that we've got the extension, i'll unvote and revote Leafsnail, since WA is no longer in danger of being ninja mislynched.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 04:51:02 pm
Hahahaha, perfect timing Meph.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 03, 2010, 04:51:31 pm
Way to votehop
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 04:55:41 pm
Wasn't votehopping Org, i didn't want to see WA lynched. Considering i know that WA is almost certainly not a Doppelganger, lynching somone i'm not sure about is statistically an improvement over lynching WA. My vote switch was only a temporary measure in case the extension didn't go through.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 03, 2010, 05:07:02 pm
Were still gonna lynch a towny unless Webadict drops his vote as I'm not voting him or Neruz or Org drops his because trying to push a vengeance lynch is not a good idea right now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 05:19:19 pm
I don't know if you're town or not, all i know is that WA is not a Dopp and that lynching him is helping the Dopps. That is the full extent of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 05:24:08 pm
You don't have to like it, you just have to accept the facts. And the facts are that the Dopps need WA dead to win, thus lynching him is only assisting them.

Now that we've got the extension, i'll unvote and revote Leafsnail, since WA is no longer in danger of being ninja mislynched.
Yep, great votehopping, Neruz.
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Aaaaand no evidence. Just a restatement that you refuse to move your vote nor give additional (Read: any) information to think Neruz is a Doppelganger. Killing him won't give you a Doppelganger, but I... maybe I'm wrong about you.
Neruz's behaviour was horrible.  He changed his vote as a joke, and was fine with getting Pandarsenic lynched on it.  Then he suggests a policylynch on Org... in what is quite possibly mylo.  Then he defends you but not himself, but chickens out of voting me and votes ExKirby for making a mistake instead.  Then he misunderstands my post and uses it as an excuse to OMGUS (he probably felt emboldened by having webadict on his side).

I've also just realised something - his claim is EXTREMELY problematic.  The only tracking role in the game is the Journalist (well, the MS can too, but he'd have no reason to pick that).  That means he had the option to either watch or track in the night.  So, for his claim to work, he either tracked Webadict or watched Janus.

Now, I can't see why town Neruz would watch Janus.  I mean, he wasn't being amazingly townie (although, looking back, Neruz's ignoring of Janus is interesting) and even if he was, he'd be an unlikely target for the dopps.

As for tracking webadict... why?  Firstly, tracking is worse than watching from a town perspective anyway - you'd have to not only guess a doppelganger but also the doppelganger who's doing the kill, and even if you get it right, they can still claim a wide variety of different roles.  Watching the NK target (easier to find than the killing dopp) gives you a list of people, and you know one of them HAS to be scum.  And even if he did choose to watch... why webadict?  What was so incredibly scummy about him?

In short, the only thing Neruz has going for him is that he created a sortof-confirmed townie.  For me, that isn't nearly enough.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 03, 2010, 05:29:31 pm
mylo?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 05:48:27 pm
You don't have to like it, you just have to accept the facts. And the facts are that the Dopps need WA dead to win, thus lynching him is only assisting them.

Now that we've got the extension, i'll unvote and revote Leafsnail, since WA is no longer in danger of being ninja mislynched.
Yep, great votehopping, Neruz.
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Aaaaand no evidence. Just a restatement that you refuse to move your vote nor give additional (Read: any) information to think Neruz is a Doppelganger. Killing him won't give you a Doppelganger, but I... maybe I'm wrong about you.
Neruz's behaviour was horrible.  He changed his vote as a joke, and was fine with getting Pandarsenic lynched on it.  Then he suggests a policylynch on Org... in what is quite possibly mylo.  Then he defends you but not himself, but chickens out of voting me and votes ExKirby for making a mistake instead.  Then he misunderstands my post and uses it as an excuse to OMGUS (he probably felt emboldened by having webadict on his side).

I've also just realised something - his claim is EXTREMELY problematic.  The only tracking role in the game is the Journalist (well, the MS can too, but he'd have no reason to pick that).  That means he had the option to either watch or track in the night.  So, for his claim to work, he either tracked Webadict or watched Janus.

Reporter, not Journalist.

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Now, I can't see why town Neruz would watch Janus.  I mean, he wasn't being amazingly townie (although, looking back, Neruz's ignoring of Janus is interesting) and even if he was, he'd be an unlikely target for the dopps.

As for tracking webadict... why?  Firstly, tracking is worse than watching from a town perspective anyway - you'd have to not only guess a doppelganger but also the doppelganger who's doing the kill, and even if you get it right, they can still claim a wide variety of different roles.  Watching the NK target (easier to find than the killing dopp) gives you a list of people, and you know one of them HAS to be scum.  And even if he did choose to watch... why webadict?  What was so incredibly scummy about him?

In short, the only thing Neruz has going for him is that he created a sortof-confirmed townie.  For me, that isn't nearly enough.

HELLO WIFOM. Thankyou for justifying my vote on you Leafsnail, i am now certain of your scummitude.


I tracked Webadict because i wanted to know what he was doing, i felt determining WA's alignment was important as WA is a good player, and i needed to know if he was scum or not.

I had no way of knowing who was the night kill target to watch, so rather than a completely random change of getting the right person (which would have resulted in my death as the NK target was a War Vet) i elected to track WA to see what he'd do. As it turned out, he targeted Janus and confirmed himself as not-scum.


Stop trying to WIFOM the town Leafsnail, you just painted yourself so incredibly scum it's almost painful.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 05:58:20 pm
Right... so you thought him being a good player meant you should find out if he was scum or not.

The only situation in which you would've even begun to catch him as scum would be if he was performing the nightkill.  Again, even if he was, there'd be other explanations for what he was doing at their house.

In addition, if you felt it worth outing yourself to protect webadict, why did you only do it AFTER he claimed?  Why not before?  He was just as confirmed-not-dopp to you then as he was after the claim.

As for WIFOM... stop.  Saying "OMG WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM" as a defence is pure retardedness.  There would be no WIFOM involved at all if you were town - you'd target the best person to target.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 06:05:36 pm
And as far as i was concerned, WA was the best target, i wanted to know what he was doing.

If he'd targeted someone and nothing much had happened, then it would just be information for the MC at lylo, if he'd targeted someone and they'd died, i'd know he was a killing role. As it so happened, he targeted a Dopp, and my gamble payed off.

I did it after he claimed because i wanted to know what he thought he was doing, basically i wanted to see if he'd lie or not. Hence why i said:

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Hmm, if a Guard would die in that situation, i think i can clear Webadict.

WA then confirmed his target for me, and that allowed me to clear him. If he'd lied about his target, then i'd know he was lying and thus a probable scumbucket.


Leafsnail, you just initiated the standard Scum WIFOM defence, except in reverse. Instead of going "Why would i do X if i was scum? That's stupid." you've gone "Why would Neruz do X is he was town? That's stupid."

Clever, if i was an idiot. As it is, it just smacks of scum desperately trying to lynch either me or WA.

With my finding WA, the Dopps are in a tight spot, they must kill WA, but i'm dangerous, because if i target the right person i can find out who the killer is, so they must also kill me, but they can't kill both me and WA in the same night.

Solution! Get the town to mislynch one of us, then night kill the other! Problem solved. Seriously, your scum game is as transparent as glass Leafsnail.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 06:18:32 pm
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And as far as i was concerned, WA was the best target, i wanted to know what he was doing.
But why?  Finding out what he was doing would be very, very unlikely to prove him as town or scum.

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Leafsnail, you just initiated the standard Scum WIFOM defence, except in reverse. Instead of going "Why would i do X if i was scum? That's stupid." you've gone "Why would Neruz do X is he was town? That's stupid."
It's.  Not.  WIFOM.  In any way, shape, or form.

WIFOM would be scum trying to trick someone by behaving counter to what appears to be the best course of action.  So if it is, indeed, WIFOM, that would make you scum.

Let's give an example of WIFOM.  After a vigilante claim, a mafia member decides to claim that he tracked the person, thus confirming them and putting them into the vigilante's goodbooks.  He then won't be targetted and has a good degree of control over the vig.

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With my finding WA, the Dopps are in a tight spot, they must kill WA, but i'm dangerous, because if i target the right person i can find out who the killer is, so they must also kill me, but they can't kill both me and WA in the same night.
Circular argument is circular.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 03, 2010, 07:01:09 pm
Meh.

I still think Kash is scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 08:18:38 pm
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And as far as i was concerned, WA was the best target, i wanted to know what he was doing.
But why?  Finding out what he was doing would be very, very unlikely to prove him as town or scum.

I told you, because Web is a good player, i wanted to know what he was doing, if he had an action, who he used it on. I actually didn't expect to find anything of use N1, but i did expect that the information of who Web targeted N1 would come in use later in the game, either during the MC or at the advent of Web's death.

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Leafsnail, you just initiated the standard Scum WIFOM defence, except in reverse. Instead of going "Why would i do X if i was scum? That's stupid." you've gone "Why would Neruz do X is he was town? That's stupid."
It's.  Not.  WIFOM.  In any way, shape, or form.

WIFOM would be scum trying to trick someone by behaving counter to what appears to be the best course of action.  So if it is, indeed, WIFOM, that would make you scum.

Let's give an example of WIFOM.  After a vigilante claim, a mafia member decides to claim that he tracked the person, thus confirming them and putting them into the vigilante's goodbooks.  He then won't be targetted and has a good degree of control over the vig.

So going "Why would i do X?" is WIFOM, but going "Why would [other person] do X?" is perfectly fine?

THIS MAKES SENSE.

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With my finding WA, the Dopps are in a tight spot, they must kill WA, but i'm dangerous, because if i target the right person i can find out who the killer is, so they must also kill me, but they can't kill both me and WA in the same night.
Circular argument is circular.

Dopps are in a circular spot. They need both me and WA dead. They can't kill both me and WA. Ergo they have to push for a mislynch on one of us.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 08:22:50 pm
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I told you, because Web is a good player, i wanted to know what he was doing, if he had an action, who he used it on. I actually didn't expect to find anything of use N1, but i did expect that the information of who Web targeted N1 would come in use later in the game, either during the MC or at the advent of Web's death.
Wait... how would it be useful after his death?  And isn't a good player more likely to be killed off early, rendering any investigative actions on him useless?

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So going "Why would i do X?" is WIFOM, but going "Why would [other person] do X?" is perfectly fine?
Yes, it is, Neruz.  And even if it weren't, it's NOT WIFOM UNLESS YOU'RE SCUM.  Got that?

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Dopps are in a circular spot. They need both me and WA dead. They can't kill both me and WA. Ergo they have to push for a mislynch on one of us.
Doubly circular argument is doubly circular.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 09:02:48 pm
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I told you, because Web is a good player, i wanted to know what he was doing, if he had an action, who he used it on. I actually didn't expect to find anything of use N1, but i did expect that the information of who Web targeted N1 would come in use later in the game, either during the MC or at the advent of Web's death.
Wait... how would it be useful after his death?  And isn't a good player more likely to be killed off early, rendering any investigative actions on him useless?

Duh. When he dies, he roleflips, so i know what he did.

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So going "Why would i do X?" is WIFOM, but going "Why would [other person] do X?" is perfectly fine?
Yes, it is, Neruz.  And even if it weren't, it's NOT WIFOM UNLESS YOU'RE SCUM.  Got that?

:|

Your logic is so broken here i literally cannot think of a response.


Wait, here's one.

You're allowed say "Why would Neruz do X if he was Town?" and it's not WIFOM, but if I say exactly the same thing, it's WIFOM? Seriously, i'm thinking we're either misunderstanding each other, or your logic is totally screwballs bonkers and you're desperately trying to get my lynched with WIFOM attacks.

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Dopps are in a circular spot. They need both me and WA dead. They can't kill both me and WA. Ergo they have to push for a mislynch on one of us.
Doubly circular argument is doubly circular.

[patronising voice]Yes Leafsnail.[/patronising voice]
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 09:17:38 pm
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Duh. When he dies, he roleflips, so i know what he did.
And that helps you... how?
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You're allowed say "Why would Neruz do X if he was Town?" and it's not WIFOM, but if I say exactly the same thing, it's WIFOM? Seriously, i'm thinking we're either misunderstanding each other, or your logic is totally screwballs bonkers and you're desperately trying to get my lynched with WIFOM attacks.
Argh... look, I'm sick of people misusing the word "WIFOM" so I will post a definition now.
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In gaming, it's any kind of game or subgame, especially a psychological one, in which a player is given a set of apparently equal choices where one or more is completely wrong. In such games one often may try to use what he knows of his opponent to make a better choice.

In other words - you do something which you wouldn't be expected to do, and use that to trick your opponent.  Now, think about it again.

Claiming actions and accusing people is not WIFOM.  On the other hand "Why would I do that..." is.

Can you think of ANY way at all in which what I'm saying can fit that definition?  No.  Because there is none.  It's.  Not.  WIFOM.  End of.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 09:21:01 pm
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Duh. When he dies, he roleflips, so i know what he did.
And that helps you... how?

Please tell me you are joking.


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Argh... look, I'm sick of people misusing the word "WIFOM" so I will post a definition now.
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In gaming, it's any kind of game or subgame, especially a psychological one, in which a player is given a set of apparently equal choices where one or more is completely wrong. In such games one often may try to use what he knows of his opponent to make a better choice.

In other words - you do something which you wouldn't be expected to do, and use that to trick your opponent.  Now, think about it again.

Claiming actions and accusing people is not WIFOM.  On the other hand "Why would I do that..." is.

Can you think of ANY way at all in which what I'm saying can fit that definition?  No.  Because there is none.  It's.  Not.  WIFOM.  End of.

That's my point. If I say "Why would i do X if i'm Y" then it's WIFOM, but if you say "Why would Neruz do X if he's Y" then it's not?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 09:23:10 pm
All of which, by the way, is completely irrelevant to the fact that i've already told you why i chose to follow Webadict.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 09:24:26 pm
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Please tell me you are joking.
I really don't see how it would help you that much to learn what a dead player did before he died.

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That's my point. If I say "Why would i do X if i'm Y" then it's WIFOM, but if you say "Why would Neruz do X if he's Y" then it's not?
Yes.  Because I cannot be trying to trick myself by making you do an action which I don't expect you to.

You on the other hand can be trying to trick me by performing an action I don't expect you to.

Understand?

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All of which, by the way, is completely irrelevant to the fact that i've already told you why i chose to follow Webadict.
Which is irrelevant to the fact that you are a doppelganger.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 09:31:17 pm
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Please tell me you are joking.
I really don't see how it would help you that much to learn what a dead player did before he died.

...

Well, lets see, lets say WA has a roleblocking ability, he uses it, then lets say that night he dies. We don't know who he roleblocked do we? This could be important if, say, he roleblocked the Exterminator. So we're all sitting around wondering why there was only one kill N1, i now have a lead, N1, WA blocked player X, i know this because he flipped a blocking role, so i have a place to start.


Mostly though, such information is useful at the MC portion of the game. If WA were scum he would likely lie about who he targeted and what he did, i would then be able to catch him in his lie.

This is a Mafia game Leafsnail, information is good.

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That's my point. If I say "Why would i do X if i'm Y" then it's WIFOM, but if you say "Why would Neruz do X if he's Y" then it's not?
Yes.  Because I cannot be trying to trick myself by making you do an action which I don't expect you to.

You on the other hand can be trying to trick me by performing an action I don't expect you to.

Understand?

No, we're both saying the same thing, the only difference is the person who points it out.


Lets say i'm scum, i deliberately act in a town manner in order to play the "Why would i do X if i were scum?" card. But before i can make this post, someone else points this out and says "Why would Neruz do X if he were scum?" How does this, in any way, reduce the wine within the statement? All that's changed is somone else is pointing it out.

The player who asks "Why would Neruz do X if he were scum" is still engaging in WIFOM; to use the actual wine example from The Princess Bride, lets say during that scene a third person comes in and says "Why would [Character1] poison his own glass if he knew you knew he would poison his own glass?", how does the third party introducing this fact in any way change the fact that it is a recursive argument that does nothing but introduce uncertainty?

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All of which, by the way, is completely irrelevant to the fact that i've already told you why i chose to follow Webadict.
Which is irrelevant to the fact that i am trying to mislynch a townie.

Just fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 03, 2010, 09:38:12 pm
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Please tell me you are joking.
I really don't see how it would help you that much to learn what a dead player did before he died.

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That's my point. If I say "Why would i do X if i'm Y" then it's WIFOM, but if you say "Why would Neruz do X if he's Y" then it's not?
Yes.  Because I cannot be trying to trick myself by making you do an action which I don't expect you to.

You on the other hand can be trying to trick me by performing an action I don't expect you to.

Understand?

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All of which, by the way, is completely irrelevant to the fact that i've already told you why i chose to follow Webadict.
Which is irrelevant to the fact that you are a doppelganger.
Well, let's think of it this way, Leafsnail:

You're saying "Why would Neruz do that as town?" How about I ask, "Why would you want to lynch Neruz as town?"

Let's see: The guy with the gun that can kill people believes that the guy who can watch the person with the gun and see who targets him the following Night is town and does not want him lynched, due mostly to the fact that he is Town and that he can watch me tonight and see who targets me.

Therefore, town you, knowing that the Vigilante believes he's right (And likely 50% of the town's only hope) would like to keep the guy who can watch him that Night to see who kills him. Your only evidence on him is this post:

You don't have to like it, you just have to accept the facts. And the facts are that the Dopps need WA dead to win, thus lynching him is only assisting them.

Now that we've got the extension, i'll unvote and revote Leafsnail, since WA is no longer in danger of being ninja mislynched.
Yep, great votehopping, Neruz.
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Aaaaand no evidence. Just a restatement that you refuse to move your vote nor give additional (Read: any) information to think Neruz is a Doppelganger. Killing him won't give you a Doppelganger, but I... maybe I'm wrong about you.
Neruz's behaviour was horrible.  He changed his vote as a joke, and was fine with getting Pandarsenic lynched on it.  Then he suggests a policylynch on Org... in what is quite possibly mylo.  Then he defends you but not himself, but chickens out of voting me and votes ExKirby for making a mistake instead.  Then he misunderstands my post and uses it as an excuse to OMGUS (he probably felt emboldened by having webadict on his side).

I've also just realised something - his claim is EXTREMELY problematic.  The only tracking role in the game is the Journalist (well, the MS can too, but he'd have no reason to pick that).  That means he had the option to either watch or track in the night.  So, for his claim to work, he either tracked Webadict or watched Janus.

Now, I can't see why town Neruz would watch Janus.  I mean, he wasn't being amazingly townie (although, looking back, Neruz's ignoring of Janus is interesting) and even if he was, he'd be an unlikely target for the dopps.

As for tracking webadict... why?  Firstly, tracking is worse than watching from a town perspective anyway - you'd have to not only guess a doppelganger but also the doppelganger who's doing the kill, and even if you get it right, they can still claim a wide variety of different roles.  Watching the NK target (easier to find than the killing dopp) gives you a list of people, and you know one of them HAS to be scum.  And even if he did choose to watch... why webadict?  What was so incredibly scummy about him?

In short, the only thing Neruz has going for him is that he created a sortof-confirmed townie.  For me, that isn't nearly enough.
There'd be no reason to watch Janus unless he really wanted to see if ANOTHER reporter targeted him (Not bloody likely.) Therefore, watching who I target (and trying to catch me) makes complete sense.

His joke voting is a cover. It's obvious enough to KNOW it's obvious, and you're ignoring it for something else. The same logic could apply to my behavior Day 1, which is equally ridiculous, because your vote would never stand a chance. You're resorting to some very terrible reasons, given that there are way better reasons to vote others.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 03, 2010, 11:51:05 pm
Funny how he suddenly goes quiet. I suppose he could be in bed.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 04, 2010, 12:17:35 am
Well, he went to bed a good 7 minutes after you posted. I understand.

Plus, he needs time to continue this debate, which seems to be trying to derail from Kashyyk, who is also scumzors. Be careful though, since ExKirby and Pandarsenic have yet to post.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 01:28:02 am
Skimming yields the following results:

Still alive: Org, Neruz, Pandarsenic, Webadict, Leafsnail, Kashyyk, ExKirby; 2/7 are scum. Webadict is almost-confirmed War Veteran or Exterminator.
Idiots vote me for being gone despite my saying everywhere that I'm going to be gone.
Neruz is tracker (?) who saw Webadict pewpew someone, more or less confirming him.
ExKirby, Kashyyk, Org, and Leafsnail are absolute idiots, in that order.

ExKirby, why are you still voting the greatest single threat to the dopps?
Kashyyk, Org: You've at least somewhat stopped being stupid. Good.
Leafsnail: Stop being stupid. First, you're tunneling. Second, you're getting caught in "X and Y must be a team!" mode. Third, you're being stupid.

But hell, if Web will !none tonight it's FL anyway. We can kill any 2 of the many, many people who attacked the confirmed pair.

I'm inclined to think at least one of the scum was probably in the earlier set of attacks (first or second). I'm thinking, in terms of game flow, one was scum who attacked then realized he could never get away with it, another was an idiot townie, and the later ones are townies who just didn't think hard enough or read carefully enough. As scum (maybe just from where I'm coming from) I would not have been willing to go for a mislynch on one of them. Too risky and too blatant, especially after every other person had done this.

Notable though: ExKirby is still voting Neruz, and Kashyyk pulled out very reluctantly and only after Webadict threatened to kill him.

I'm thinking one of ExKirby and Kashyyk. Or both. We'll see.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 04, 2010, 01:31:30 am
Pandar, Web has claimed Vig, he could be lying, all we know for sure is that he is probably not a Doppelganger and he's definitely not a War Vet, if he was i would be dead.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 01:35:04 am
Oh, right, we renamed Aggressive War Veteran.

My points all still stand, yes?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 04, 2010, 01:39:02 am
Yes, your points still stand. Your point about ExKirby is especially good, i hadn't noticed that, too busy trying to beat the stupid out of Leafsnail.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 04, 2010, 07:03:43 am
Hey now. I am not being stupid.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 04, 2010, 11:32:13 am
And I'm having an RL slowdown. Unvote.

I reckon this is escilating into a side vs side war, and not in the town vs scum way. I'm gonna have to sit on the fence.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 04, 2010, 11:53:56 am
I'll unvote and vote Leafsnail.

Tonight, I'll kill Kashyyk.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 04, 2010, 12:46:56 pm
The Whiteboard
ExKirby: Pandarsenic
Kashyyk: Org
Leafsnail: Neruz, Webadict
Neruz: Leafsnail



Day 2 ends ~5pm Pacific Today.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 12:49:49 pm
And I'm having an RL slowdown. Unvote.

I reckon this is escilating into a side vs side war, and not in the town vs scum way. I'm gonna have to sit on the fence.

Who are you suspicious of, then?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 01:06:43 pm
Extension, at least for a few hours - I shouldn't but I'm going to check this after classes before writing my philosophy paper. >_<
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 04, 2010, 01:35:35 pm
It'll be a waste of time killing me Webadict. But it'll be you giving the win to the dopp's not me.

Org, Are you just going to keep voting me until I somehow die in every game we are both in? That's fine, just a waste of time on you're part.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Leafsnail on February 04, 2010, 02:21:41 pm
Well, let's think of it this way, Leafsnail:

You're saying "Why would Neruz do that as town?" How about I ask, "Why would you want to lynch Neruz as town?"
I want him lynched because Neruz is a doppelganger.  Simple as that.  If you want to lynch me today, you must make very, VERY sure you get Neruz or his partner tonight, as otherwise there's a good chance we've lost.

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There'd be no reason to watch Janus unless he really wanted to see if ANOTHER reporter targeted him (Not bloody likely.) Therefore, watching who I target (and trying to catch me) makes complete sense.
The first part was my point (since he hadn't specified whether he'd tracked or watched).  The other point is that his exact reasons for tracking rather than watching are sketchy - how are you meant to identify the doppelganger AND the doppelganger who's doing the kill?  Isn't it easier to falseclaim a track result than a watch result?
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His joke voting is a cover. It's obvious enough to KNOW it's obvious, and you're ignoring it for something else.
A cover... for what?  I don't see any reason why he'd need to cover himself up so much.
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The same logic could apply to my behavior Day 1, which is equally ridiculous, because your vote would never stand a chance.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
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You're resorting to some very terrible reasons, given that there are way better reasons to vote others.
If I find a doppelganger, I'll attack him, especially in a situation like this.  Otherwise we have a "confirmed" dopp controlling a vig, which is a HORRIBLE position to be in.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 03:11:11 pm
Is this a fucking joke, Leafsnail? I'm stuck halfway between "Leafsnail is the dumbest townie in the history of ever" and "Leafsnail is the dumbest scum in the history of ever." I... ugh.

I'm pretty sure I'm onto something with ExKirby though, I'll let you know if I'm right when he responds to me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 04, 2010, 03:28:10 pm
And I'm having an RL slowdown. Unvote.

I reckon this is escilating into a side vs side war, and not in the town vs scum way. I'm gonna have to sit on the fence.

Who are you suspicious of, then?
Oddly enough, no-one. But I do see a good option.

We no-lynch.

There's 5 of us and 2 of them. We mislynch, we go down to 4/2. Mafia NK, 3/2. Web's kill, 2/2. Unless web gets a 1/4 chance hit. Not likely.

If we no-lynch, we go down to 3/2, which is bad, but at least we'll have another day to think it out.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 03:31:37 pm
Yeah, ExKirby is scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: ExKirby on February 04, 2010, 03:42:31 pm
And your logic behind this is?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 04, 2010, 04:39:47 pm
Why do you have a kill Webby?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Kashyyk on February 04, 2010, 05:17:51 pm
apparently he is a vig. Or an exterminator.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 04, 2010, 05:23:51 pm
The Whiteboard
ExKirby: Pandarsenic
Kashyyk: Org
Leafsnail: Neruz, Webadict
Neruz: Leafsnail
No Lynch: ExKirby



Day 2 ends ~5pm Pacific Today. There will be no further extensions.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 04, 2010, 05:56:55 pm
Seriously, I can't take that, Kashyyk.

It'll be a waste of time killing me Webadict. But it'll be you giving the win to the dopp's not me.

Org, Are you just going to keep voting me until I somehow die in every game we are both in? That's fine, just a waste of time on you're part.
You're basically saying that you won't help but you'll gladly sit back and watch. You haven't DONE anything today and I don't see you doing anything in the future.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 04, 2010, 05:58:23 pm
Seriously, I can't take that, Kashyyk.

It'll be a waste of time killing me Webadict. But it'll be you giving the win to the dopp's not me.

Org, Are you just going to keep voting me until I somehow die in every game we are both in? That's fine, just a waste of time on you're part.
You're basically saying that you won't help but you'll gladly sit back and watch. You haven't DONE anything today and I don't see you doing anything in the future.
Webby, I think you are somewhat scum. But kash is even more scum. So, I think a lynch is in order.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 04, 2010, 06:19:51 pm
Okay. Well, when you find my dead body in the morning, don't say I didn't tell you so.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 06:21:51 pm
This is fascinatingly stupid
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 06:28:12 pm
Got keyboard working again, at least for now.

Org, are you seriously that stupid? Really? I mean...

What are the chances of a Webadict/Neruz Exterminator/Operative team? Because that´s the only reasonably likely scumteam I can see happening with the two of them, and I doubt Neruz would have chosen Operative as an option. Or Webby.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 04, 2010, 06:53:12 pm
I DO WHAT I WANT.

Web is scum, but so is Kash.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 07:03:10 pm
That can't be right unless Web is an exterminator because ExKirby is scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 04, 2010, 07:06:00 pm
Webadict may be Exterminator, i cannot confirm is he is a Vig or an Exterminator, all i can confirm is that he is not a Doppelganger.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 07:07:30 pm
And all I can say is ExKirby is scummy scum scum scum scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 04, 2010, 07:09:37 pm
Leafsnail, Kashykk and Exkirby are all pinging my scumdar at the moment. Leafsnail is also pinging my idiotdar, so i'm not sure what's going on there, but i'll be damned if i let an ovbscum off the hook because he's acting stupid.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 04, 2010, 07:13:35 pm
Leafsnail, Kashykk and Exkirby are all pinging my scumdar at the moment. Leafsnail is also pinging my idiotdar, so i'm not sure what's going on there, but i'll be damned if i let an ovbscum off the hook because he's acting stupid.
Kashyyk is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 04, 2010, 07:18:21 pm
Well we're nearing the deadline aren't we? We should really decide on someone to lynch rather than letting it draw.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: webadict on February 04, 2010, 07:21:49 pm
Well we're nearing the deadline aren't we? We should really decide on someone to lynch rather than letting it draw.
I say Kashyyk.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Neruz on February 04, 2010, 07:31:19 pm
While i'd rather lynch Leafsnail, the fact that if my maths are right we're half an hour from the deadline and the fact that i'm fairly sure no matter your role, you want dopps dead, and finally that Kashykk has been throwing a fair few scumtells, i'm alright with a Kashykk lynch.

Unvote

Vote Kashykk


We can get Leafsnail and ExKirby tomorrow.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 04, 2010, 07:32:46 pm
Woot Neruz is scum. Yeah.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 07:46:29 pm
Wow, Org. Wow.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Org on February 04, 2010, 07:47:06 pm
I know. Rite?

Anyways, Quia is all messed up. Org is sad.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 2 - Death in the Night
Post by: Mephansteras on February 04, 2010, 08:07:04 pm
The Whiteboard
ExKirby: Pandarsenic
Kashyyk: Neruz, Org, Webadict
Neruz: Leafsnail
No Lynch: ExKirby


  After a very, very long day of arguing the voice from the ceiling speaks. "You have no more time. You must make a final decision and return to your rooms"

  Neruz sighs and picks up the pistol. "Not who I was looking to kill, but you'll have to do Kashyyk."

  Before Kashyyk can even react Neruz fires a shot into his head.

  The body slumps over...and stays human. Searching it, you discover the badge of an FBI Agent. You're not sure why he was here, but you get a sinking feeling in your stomach. This is bad. Very, very bad.

  Dully, you tromp back to your rooms.





Night has fallen. Send in your actions, everyone!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Night 3 Finally Falls
Post by: Mephansteras on February 05, 2010, 06:41:46 pm

  The next day you are woken once again by the buzzer. Groggily you get your selves ready, finding a new set of clothing and some food next to your bed as well as a large cup of coffee. You'll need it after the late day you had yesterday. After a bit, the voice from the ceiling instructs you to return to the meeting chamber once again.

  Once you arrive you wait for everyone else. Eventually, it is obvious that Webadict and Pandarsenic will not be joining you. The voice speaks from the ceiling.

  "During the night, the Vigilante Webadict managed to slay the Leader of the Doppelgangers, Pandarsenic. However, it seems he was slain in turn."

  You're not sure if you should be happy or sad by this revelation.

  "There is still a doppelganger among you. Find it, and kill it."




Day 3 has begun and will go until ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 06:43:28 pm
So Leafsnail, care to tell me what you were doing in Webadict's room? Killing him perhaps?

Also; nya nya nya, i was right.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 05, 2010, 06:55:22 pm
Oh shit. Sorry for doubting you. It seemed like a good fake claim.
Yes, you were right. Too bad I didnt target Webby.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 07:12:51 pm
You didn't, but Leafsnail did.

In fact, Leafsnail was the only person who targeted Webadict.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 07:21:56 pm
Neruz.  Interesting play.  It was quite impressive to get the vig on your side in that way, and also to jump your vote onto an FBI agent at the last moment.  Guess I was a good mislynch target for today, huh?

Claim time.

Alien Operative
Human Agent
Human Reporter
Doppelganger War Veteran
Human Telepath

The role I received was Telepath.  My results:
Night 1 - JanusTwoFace.  Received a "kill" result.  Not exactly groundbreaking news.
Night 2 - Neruz.  Received a "survive" result.  Which means Pandar was doing the kill.

Which means that there is only one person who can be scum - you, Neruz.  Bad luck on not being able to get the vig off your partner, although I suppose you managed to deflect him away from yourself.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 07:24:59 pm
Wow, way to blatantly lie Leafsnail.


We have our final scum guys. It's Leafsnail.



I mean, seriously, i got the vig on my side? I called it like i saw it, WA turned out to be town and a vig, like i suspected, and your leader is now dead. Better than that, i have irrefutable evidence that you were the only person at Webadict's house when he died.

We are now at mylo, Leafsnail is so ovbiously scum it's painful to watch. Let's finish this rediculousness with a town win.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 07:30:40 pm
You certainly have an interesting definition of "irrefutable", Neruz.  Especially considering you didn't perform any actions last night.  I guess you must have REALLY good intuition, huh?

Or perhaps you were just finishing your amazing plan to mislynch me today?  I mean, your votehop from someone you thought was scum to someone you thought was town was certainly interesting.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 07:38:39 pm
Your lying is so incredibly transparent it's laughable.


I vote hopped because i trusted that WA was town, and Kashykk looked scummy enough to justify lynching. In hindsight i can see that i should have tried to convince WA to switch to you, what i did not want to see was a draw, but the day's end was coming up and were were in a large multi-way tie, i elected to trust that WA was town and break that tie.

Unfortunately, although he was town, he was wrong about Kashykk.


You, however, remain ovbiously and transparently scum. And your claim is complete bullshit; you claim Telepath and that you recieved a 'Kill' result on Janus N1, and then you claim that you recieved a 'Survive' result on me. So it's impossible for anyone other than me to verify that your claim is complete bullshit. Clever, but incredibly ovbious.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 08:14:40 pm
While I suppose your claim of tracking webadict to the person he'd just claimed to kill is wholly verifiable?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 08:16:37 pm
Webadict was able to verify the claim. And he's town.

Want to tell me why town Webadict would lie about what he did? Unless, GASP, i wasn't lying when i said WA targeted Janus.


Seriously Leafsnail, talk about desperation. You would have been far better off claiming something else and trying to lynch ExKirby.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 05, 2010, 08:17:25 pm
The Whiteboard
Leafsnail: Neruz
Neruz: Leafsnail
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 08:20:06 pm
Uh, no, Neruz.

Webadict had ALREADY CLAIMED his action by the time you claimed to have tracked him.  Therefore it hardly takes a genius to work out who he targetted.  So no, webadict wasn't lying, but you are.

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Seriously Leafsnail, talk about desperation. You would have been far better off claiming something else and trying to lynch ExKirby.
...

This is you admitting that you don't care who gets lynched today?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 08:23:49 pm
Oh wait.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


Leafsnail, your roleclaim clears me of being a dopp:

You certainly have an interesting definition of "irrefutable", Neruz.  Especially considering you didn't perform any actions last night.  I guess you must have REALLY good intuition, huh?

Or perhaps you were just finishing your amazing plan to mislynch me today?  I mean, your votehop from someone you thought was scum to someone you thought was town was certainly interesting.

If i didn't perform any actions last night, how did i kill Webadict? Since i know Pandarsenic didn't, because Pandar did not target Webadict.

WOOPS. That's a pretty serious slip there.


But wait, it's better than that;

How, exactly, does a Telepath determine if i did an action or not? Hmm?


Jesus Leafsnail, your claim is so full of holes it's almost physically painful to read.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 08:28:26 pm
Oh and Leafsnail, if we had an Exterminator\Operative team, they would have won by now.

You see, if we had an Exterminator\Operative time, the Exterminator would have killed someone last night, and so would the Operative, leaving only 3 people alive; the survivor, the Exterminator and the Operative, who would have then promptly won.



Since this did not happen, want to explain how we could have an Exterminator and Operative team? Especially since, at no point in the game has there ever been an extra unaccounted-for kill.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 08:28:59 pm
Neruz, your brain is so full of holes it's almost physically painful to write a response to that.  I will post the Telepath role description here.

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Telepath
    [Psychic]
    Race: Human/Doppelganger
    Goal: Find
    Rules: The Telepath has limited psychic powers. Once per night, the Telepath can investigate a player and use their powers to determine the goal that character had that night based on their Role and Actions taken. The Telepath need not leave his house to use his powers.
    Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
Basically, I can see what sort of action someone was doing in the night.  If they were performing an investigative action, I get a "Find" result (with a couple of exceptions).  If they were doing nothing, it's a "Survive" result.  If they were killing, it's a "Kill" result.  If they are protecting, it's a "Protect" result.

Now, I got a "Survive" result on you.  That means you weren't watching anybody last night.

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If i didn't perform any actions last night, how did i kill Webadict? Since i know Pandarsenic didn't, because Janus did not target Webadict.
...Wait.

The dead doppelganger from yesterday didn't target webadict?

And this means that Pandarsenic couldn't've killed webadict?

Right.

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Since this did not happen, want to explain how we could have an Exterminator and Operative team?
I've never suggested one.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 08:34:14 pm
Except that, you know, i was.


Oh wait i see, you thought i was a Dopp with Pandar, sorry, i looked up the role list and it said only the Operative's goal changed depending on his action, so i assumed you were accusing me of being an Operative.

I didn't realise that everyone's goal changed depending on their action. Except of course it's completely irrelevant because i did watch WA and i did see you do an action on him.


Your entire roleclaim is full of shit.



Pandarsenic could not have killed WA because he did not target WA. And having the doppelganger leader do the kill is a bit foolish anyway, since he's otherwise undetectable.


Your entire claim relies on blatant lies and utter rediculousness. You are scum sir. Good day.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 08:37:43 pm
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Pandarsenic could not have killed WA because he did not target WA. And having the doppelganger leader do the kill is a bit foolish anyway, since he's otherwise undetectable.
So you're saying it's better to risk the guy who's buddying up to the vig than the guy who's getting killed by the vig?

Makes sense.  That's definately not a bullshit scum argument.  Nope.

And of course there's absolutely no reason for his partner to cover up who he targetted.  None at all.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 08:39:24 pm
I've said my piece, you are ovbiously scum and are deliberately dealing in hypothetical scenarios, attempting to imprint them on the reality of your murderous intentions. Such borderline WIFOM is ovbious and punishable.

Good day sir.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 08:45:30 pm
Neruz,  it's not a hypothetical scenario if it's actually happening.  Get a dictionary to at least make your points coherent before responding.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 05, 2010, 09:35:13 pm
Wow. Um.
huh?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 09:41:13 pm
Leafsnail is scum. Vote him.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 09:45:09 pm
Leafsnail is scum. Vote him.
Caught out scum is caught out.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 09:47:05 pm
Leafsnail is scum. Vote him.
Caught out scum is caught out.
Ovbscum is ovb.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 09:48:37 pm
Baldly spelled scum is baldly spelled.

Seriously, Org, just look back through the thread.  It should soon be obvious that Neruz is the doppelganger.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 05, 2010, 10:20:27 pm
Wait a minute...
I am not so sure.
Meh.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 10:39:06 pm
I can see why you left Org alive Leafsnail.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 05, 2010, 10:43:57 pm
 :D

I know. To look catuiously at both sides and then see that Neruz is trying to get an easy lynch.
Obv.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 05, 2010, 10:51:43 pm
Clearly.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 05, 2010, 11:33:55 pm
Obviously.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 06, 2010, 12:28:03 am
Indeed.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: ExKirby on February 06, 2010, 04:55:27 am
...Ack. Mother of all things mafia, ack. Neruz and Leafsnail's points rely on eachother's claims, so I think we're down to a game of who you can trust....

...I'll need a re-read.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: ExKirby on February 06, 2010, 05:11:18 am
Dual hole located on Neruz's side.

1) He never actually told us his role.
2) Even if he was a reporter or similar role, most of them are town slash DOPP.

I don't believe that we have two town Reporters, but a town and a dopp one would be fair.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 06, 2010, 07:07:32 am
Hm, interesting, didn't notice that forsaken was a reporter.


You're making a very large mistaken ExKirby, unless you're an Exterminator, in which case you're probably being a clever bastard, although even then you'd still be better off lynching Leafsnail, since i can't kill.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 06, 2010, 07:13:52 am
Also, ExKirby, i swear to god, if you lynch me and lose this for the town i will hunt you down and strangle you with your own bootlaces.

Seriously, go back and read Leafsnail's posts yesterday, he's so obscenely scummy it actually makes me feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Kashyyk on February 06, 2010, 07:38:43 am
At least Webadict killed someone useful instead of wasting his night-kill on me. I 'spose my lynch was useful somehow then...

anyway, just an I told you so post.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 06, 2010, 07:46:10 am
There is that, if we'd lynched Leafsnail like i wanted then we'd still only have one dopp left, but it'd be Pandar, WA would be dead and he'd have NKed you. Which would put us in a bit of a problem, as i would probably have wanted to lynch ExKirby and Pandar would have won.


As it is, ExKirby is apparantly an idiot, and Org is, well, Org, so the town outcome is looking bleak.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 08:21:32 am
:D

I know. To look catuiously at both sides and then see that Neruz is trying to get an easy lynch.
Obv.
It's more than that - he set me up for one yesterday, before realising he could get someone else lynched instead, leaving me for today.

Also, ExKirby, i swear to god, if you lynch me and lose this for the town i will hunt you down and strangle you with your own bootlaces.

Seriously, go back and read Leafsnail's posts yesterday, he's so obscenely scummy it actually makes me feel sorry for him.
AKA "What happened to the mislynch I worked so hard to setup yesterday?"
There is that, if we'd lynched Leafsnail like i wanted then we'd still only have one dopp left, but it'd be Pandar, WA would be dead and he'd have NKed you. Which would put us in a bit of a problem, as i would probably have wanted to lynch ExKirby and Pandar would have won.
Scumslip.  I guess you forgot about your reporter claim, huh?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: ExKirby on February 06, 2010, 08:28:28 am
There is that, if we'd lynched Leafsnail like i wanted then we'd still only have one dopp left, but it'd be Pandar, WA would be dead and he'd have NKed you. Which would put us in a bit of a problem, as i would probably have wanted to lynch ExKirby and Pandar would have won.


As it is, ExKirby is apparantly an idiot, and Org is, well, Org, so the town outcome is looking bleak.
That made no sense. There was nothing wrong with Leafy's posts. Henceforth, your plan is ballsy and deflective. And I believe you to be the only one who thinks me as an idiot.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 09:04:32 am
There is that, if we'd lynched Leafsnail like i wanted then we'd still only have one dopp left, but it'd be Pandar, WA would be dead and he'd have NKed you. Which would put us in a bit of a problem, as i would probably have wanted to lynch ExKirby and Pandar would have won.


As it is, ExKirby is apparantly an idiot, and Org is, well, Org, so the town outcome is looking bleak.
Comments like these do not get votes.
And where is the rest of town, or is this it?

I say we no lynch. That gives us an extra day, instead of auto losing on a mislynch.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 10:43:10 am
Uh, Org.  There's only 3 townies and Neruz left.  We're all here.

Also, I don't think we should No Lynch.  I already know Neruz is a doppelganger, and no lynching will just give him a chance to kill one of you two.  There's also a chance of him being a Mad Scientist, which we can't ignore.

As such, I think Org and EK should claim.  You might have important info proving Neruz is a dopp.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 10:45:04 am
Uh, Org.  There's only 3 townies and Neruz left.  We're all here.

Also, I don't think we should No Lynch.  I already know Neruz is a doppelganger, and no lynching will just give him a chance to kill one of you two.  There's also a chance of him being a Mad Scientist, which we can't ignore.

As such, I think Org and EK should claim.  You might have important info proving Neruz is a dopp.
I am a doctor.
I picked the wrong role.
I remember how much it sucks at targeting if I pick the wrong person.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 10:46:00 am
Org.  Who did you target N1 and N2?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 12:38:19 pm
N1-Webby
N2-Neruz
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 12:40:05 pm
Now hear me out for a second-
Lets say we all no vote. This means that tonight, one of us dies. 2 Townies, 1 Dopp left.
Townies kill dopp. We win?

Well, it wont be that easy though. Meh.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 01:24:11 pm
Org - what's the point though?  I already know the last doppelganger is Neruz.  No lynching today doesn't do anything, and risks a loss for us if Neruz has an assassin bot up his sleeve.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 02:04:32 pm
Org - what's the point though?  I already know the last doppelganger is Neruz.  No lynching today doesn't do anything, and risks a loss for us if Neruz has an assassin bot up his sleeve.
But I dont know that.
You both are doing this and it makes it unbearable.
Just do it. One extra day.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 02:10:49 pm
I don't see how it would help anything though.  From your perspective, one of me and Neruz is scum.  It'll be the same if we NL, only with the risk that Neruz has an assassin bot.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 02:12:21 pm
I doubt it.
But now that you bring up the fact that he might be a dopp mad scientist with an assassin bot, sounds like you know the role well.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 02:19:39 pm
Considering that I've lost the last two paranormal games to one, yes, I do know the role well.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 06, 2010, 07:03:09 pm
There is that, if we'd lynched Leafsnail like i wanted then we'd still only have one dopp left, but it'd be Pandar, WA would be dead and he'd have NKed you. Which would put us in a bit of a problem, as i would probably have wanted to lynch ExKirby and Pandar would have won.
Scumslip.  I guess you forgot about your reporter claim, huh?
Nope, i'd have known it was Pandar, but lynching Pandar would have been a hell of a lot more difficult, since unlike you he wasn't throwing scumtells all over the place.


I am fine with a no lynch by the way. We are at mylo. Leafsnail just doesn't want to NL because he knows if that happens he'll either have to no-kill or pick one of us three to kill. Ovbiously he can't kill me because i'm his lynch target, so it'll have to be one of Org or Exkirby.

Considering your indicision Org, i imagine it'll probably be you. Since ExKirby agrees with LS and is willing to lynch me.


Oh wait, i know why Leafsnail doesn't want to no lynch; it gives me the opportunity to prove myself as a Reporter by confirming someone else's action.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 07:51:24 pm
No, Neruz.  I've lost the last two paranormal games I've played to assassin bots, and I'm getting sick of them.

Org, EK... if you really want to NL, you can.  But on your head be it if Neruz has an assassin bot.

Org, target someone and get Neruz to say who tomorrow.  That'll reduce his chance of survival to 1/3.

EK... wait... you still haven't claimed.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 06, 2010, 07:54:49 pm
Well, i'm good with a no lynch. Hopefully i'll be able to watch someone who gets targeted by the other townie who survives, since finding out that Leafsnail killed someone else isn't going to be of any bloody use whatsoever.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 08:00:56 pm
Okay, I'm fine with dieing. ExKirby will actually be more decisive. Meh.
Im less lurky. Or, at least during the last part I am.
Sad really
No Lynch.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 06, 2010, 09:48:08 pm
The Whiteboard
Neruz: ExKirby, Leafsnail
No Lynch: Neruz, Org



Day 3 ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 10:33:00 pm
Everyone No Lynch. Please. Town will win!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 10:35:33 pm
Fine then.

Unvote, No Lynch.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 06, 2010, 10:36:57 pm
Neruz, remember to Watch me. Not Leafy. it will not help your argument.

At all.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Neruz on February 06, 2010, 10:49:03 pm
No shit, really?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 07, 2010, 12:12:37 am
Is this majority or who has the most votes is lynched?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 07, 2010, 07:04:47 am
It's deadlines.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 07, 2010, 09:46:48 am
If you're asking what it takes to lynch someone, whoever has the most votes gets lynched.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: ExKirby on February 07, 2010, 09:49:56 am
Fine, unvote, no lynch. But if Neruz is the dopp, then me and Leaf have the right to tell you so.

Day Shortening.

Oh, and I'm a vanilla townie. No, really.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Org on February 07, 2010, 10:40:56 am
Day Shortening
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 07, 2010, 12:56:51 pm
Day Shortening.

Perhaps putting in just one VT was Meph's idea of a joke ;D.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 08, 2010, 12:43:37 pm
With a unanimous call for no lynch to occur today, you are sent back to your rooms



Night Falls early for Day 3. Send in your actions, everyone!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Night 3
Post by: Mephansteras on February 10, 2010, 01:18:51 pm

  It doesn't take long for the few remaining survivors to gather together. ExKirby, however, fails to show up the next morning.

  "Unfortunately for the townsperson, ExKirby he was devoured during the night by the doppelganger.

  "Time is running out, if you fail to kill it today I doubt you shall live to see the outside world again."




Day 4 has begun. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Thursday or until all votes are in.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 10, 2010, 01:22:06 pm
You didn't post his roleflip.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: ExKirby on February 10, 2010, 01:26:39 pm
What roleflip? I WAS A BLOODY VANILLA.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 10, 2010, 01:29:00 pm
Yeah. But still, it should've been posted that you were.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Kashyyk on February 10, 2010, 01:30:29 pm
Title maybe?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Mephansteras on February 10, 2010, 01:35:13 pm
Oh, yeah, sorry about that. ExKirby was a vanilla townsperson. I apparently thought it but didn't type it while doing the opening scene for the day. It's been fixed (And was already in the player list in the OP)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 02:54:18 pm
Good morning, Neruz.  So, who did Org target last night?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 04:22:27 pm
As I thought.
Hmmm...
Why kill Kirby? What is the point?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 04:23:50 pm
Because EK agreed with me, perhaps?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 04:26:26 pm
Isnt it obvious?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 07:01:58 pm
Well fuck, congrats Leafsnail, you outguessed me. I thought you'd off Org, i have no clue why you'd want to kill ExKirby, but there you go.

So sorry Org, i followed ExKirby last night (he didn't do anything, surprise.) because i expected you to be dead.


So lets get this over with, Leafsnail remains scum, and smarter than i thought he was.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Mephansteras on February 10, 2010, 07:04:28 pm
The Whiteboard
Leafsnail: Neruz
Neruz: Leafsnail
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 07:12:43 pm
Well fuck, congrats Leafsnail, you outguessed me. I thought you'd off Org, i have no clue why you'd want to kill ExKirby, but there you go.

So sorry Org, i followed ExKirby last night (he didn't do anything, surprise.) because i expected you to be dead.


So lets get this over with, Leafsnail remains scum, and smarter than i thought he was.
So what you're saying is that the proof you promised us yesterday of your role is mysteriously not present?  Pfft.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 07:30:06 pm
No, what i'm saying is you successfully triple-guessed me. I thought you'd kill Org because he was the Doctor and because ExKirby agreed with you. Clearly i stopped one step too soon.

Unfortunately that's pretty irrelevant now, good work on breaking that last gamble though, i didn't think you were smart enough to hit ExKirby.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 07:52:17 pm
Even though you specifically agreed to track Org last night?

Also, what were you attempting to gain from tracking ExKirby?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 07:54:18 pm
Where did i agree to track Org?


I was attempting to gain a living person to confirm the tracking to, i realised that Org was the most likely person to die, and if i tracked Org and you killed him, i'd be back at square 1 with ExKirby already on your side and still no proof.

Unfortunately it appears you double-guessed me and offed ExKirby.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 3 (Night 2 just felt like night 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 07:56:20 pm
Neruz, remember to Watch me. Not Leafy. it will not help your argument.

At all.


No shit, really?
Incidentally, kill result on Neruz.  I'm sure that surprises you a lot.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 08:00:18 pm
The 'no shit, really?' was in response to Org's comment that watching you would not help my argument at all.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 08:22:43 pm
Gj brosky. You die. I mean, srsly? You. Are. A. Baddy.

Even if leafy is scum we win!

Neruz

Day Shortening
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Mephansteras on February 10, 2010, 08:24:37 pm
The Whiteboard
Leafsnail: Neruz
Neruz: Leafsnail, Org



Shall I end this?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 08:29:48 pm
Yeah, end it, scum wins.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 08:30:48 pm
The end.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Mephansteras on February 10, 2010, 08:40:50 pm

Org grabs up the pistol and blasts Neruz in the head with a giant grin on his face.

The grin fades as Neruz collapses to the ground, and remains human.

Snarling, he reaches into his coat for his other gun. Leafsnail, however, is faster, and hurls the hapless War Veteran into the wall. Org's body slumps to the ground, leaving a trail of blood and brains on the wall.

As the doppelganger grins in triumph the doors to the room open and he is quickly surrounded by men in black suits carrying submachine guns.

An unarmed man walks in and casually addresses the fiend.

"You did well, doppelganger. We were sure you'd be slain quickly after the others fell. Come with me. We have a...proposition for you."





Well done, Leafsnail!

Although he pretty much had it won last night, since he's an Enchanter and could have tied the vote today regardless of Org's decision. Still, I wanted to see how things played out since there was technically a chance for Leafsnail to screw himself up by attacking Org night 4 if a no-lynch occurred again.



Spoiler: Roles (click to show/hide)


Spoiler: Night Actions (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 08:45:44 pm
Oh holy hell, Org was a War Vet.

Wow, just wow.


Also, you lot are idiots; you were too hung up on the fact that my play style looked scummy to notice that the actual facts painted Leafsnail so irrevocably scum it should have been ovbious even to Org.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 08:49:35 pm
As hilarious as me attacking Org and becoming the third dopp in a row to die in the night would've been...

Anyway, yeah.  Good game.  The thing I find odd though is that webby claimed day 2 when he didn't have any reason to, allowing me to eliminate the greatest threat to us.  Webadict was a frickin' powerhouse in this game, though.

Am I right in thinking that Janus' replacement would've been successful were it not for webadict killing him?

And Neruz - did you really not work it out?  I had him marked as a War Vet from the moment he claimed.  That's why I killed EK.

PS: Webadict - you have every right to feel annoyed about this.  Go ahead and be annoyed.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 10, 2010, 08:51:28 pm
If webadict hadn't killed me off, you would have had a dead Vanilla Townie to deal with and one of the most active players that weren't already scum or webadict on our team.  And then webadict goes and kills me...

I guess I deserve it from kidnapping him twice as an alien in previous games. :P
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 08:53:05 pm
Bloody Org and EK were just plain idiotic in this game. Org is excusable, but i thought EK was a better player than that. Apparantly i was mistaken.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 08:55:18 pm
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Vigilante(webadict)    role   town    2   9001   0     kill
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 08:56:30 pm
WA has every right to be utterly furious about the town loss here. We won this, it was won, i had Leafsnail as the last scum at 4p, and then Org and EK stupided themselves into a loss.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 08:58:11 pm
It was really odd how I, the doppelganger who could break lylo, was the one arguing against a No Lynch.  Meh.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 08:59:49 pm
NO. UNFAIR. YOU SHOULD HAVE LET IT GO TO NIGHT AND HAVE IT A DRAW. (I am joking. :I )
God damnit Neruz. You are fucking incompetent. You say I am? You watched Exkirby. You are dumb. I would have believed you had you watched me. Why are you dumb.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 09:00:29 pm
I wished the doc claim had worked. :I
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 09:02:02 pm
NO. UNFAIR. YOU SHOULD HAVE LET IT GO TO NIGHT AND HAVE IT A DRAW.
God damnit Neruz. You are fucking incompetent. You say I am? You watched Exkirby. You are dumb. I would have believed you had you watched me. Why are you dumb.
You would've believed the corpse of Neruz, a great help when you're alone with a double voting Doppelganger.

Also, Org, it was pretty obvious.  Heck, you even got the rolename wrong and never bothered to correct it.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 09:03:14 pm
Huh/
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 09:04:30 pm
Org, you were a War Veteran.

War Veterans shoot people who visit their houses.

What would have happened if Neruz visited your house to follow you?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 09:05:33 pm
NO. UNFAIR. YOU SHOULD HAVE LET IT GO TO NIGHT AND HAVE IT A DRAW.
God damnit Neruz. You are fucking incompetent. You say I am? You watched Exkirby. You are dumb. I would have believed you had you watched me. Why are you dumb.
You would've believed the corpse of Neruz, a great help when you're alone with a double voting Doppelganger.

Also, Org, it was pretty obvious.  Heck, you even got the rolename wrong and never bothered to correct it.

It would have narrowed down my choices though.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 09:07:27 pm
You claimed "Doctor".  Without any actions.  And without any reason why you didn't protect the almost CT.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 10, 2010, 09:07:55 pm
WA has every right to be utterly furious about the town loss here. We won this, it was won, i had Leafsnail as the last scum at 4p, and then Org and EK stupided themselves into a loss.

Leafsnail was a bit scummy (granted, I know that he was scum), but Neruz, so were you.  You generally are.  That's exactly what Leafsnail was playing against.

I was a little worried that Leafsnail would either have to or choose to night kill Org and explode spectacularly.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 09:08:47 pm
NO. UNFAIR. YOU SHOULD HAVE LET IT GO TO NIGHT AND HAVE IT A DRAW. (I am joking. :I )
God damnit Neruz. You are fucking incompetent. You say I am? You watched Exkirby. You are dumb. I would have believed you had you watched me. Why are you dumb.

If i'd watched you, I'D BE DEAD AND LEAFSNAIL WOULD HAVE WON BY DEFAULT.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 09:09:17 pm
Doc without any actions?
What

NO. UNFAIR. YOU SHOULD HAVE LET IT GO TO NIGHT AND HAVE IT A DRAW. (I am joking. :I )
God damnit Neruz. You are fucking incompetent. You say I am? You watched Exkirby. You are dumb. I would have believed you had you watched me. Why are you dumb.
But it wouldn't have been because I did that.

If i'd watched you, I'D BE DEAD AND LEAFSNAIL WOULD HAVE WON BY DEFAULT.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 09:10:09 pm
WA has every right to be utterly furious about the town loss here. We won this, it was won, i had Leafsnail as the last scum at 4p, and then Org and EK stupided themselves into a loss.

Leafsnail was a bit scummy (granted, I know that he was scum), but Neruz, so were you.  You generally are.  That's exactly what Leafsnail was playing against.

Like i said, they got hung up on my play style and forgot to actually look at the relevant facts i had brought up.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 09:10:56 pm
Although, Neruz - to be fair on EK and Org, I already controlled the lynch by Day 4.  It didn't really matter what happened.  And Day 3 you were on the No Lynch option too.

Org - your claim:
Quote
I am a doctor.
I picked the wrong role.
:/
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 09:11:53 pm
Not really, Enchanter gives you a double vote, there were 3 townies. If all 3 of us voted for you, you would have died.

The no lynch did kill us though, unfortunately that's not reallys omething we can plan for.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 09:14:31 pm
Day 4 was the last day, btw.

And as for not being able to plan for it... well... the town has had lylo broken in the last two para games by Mad Scientists (indeed, in Para 12 it was you using the bot).  It's something that should at least be thought about.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 09:17:10 pm
Yeah, but unless you know that such a tiebreaker exists, planning for one is nothing more than WIFOM bait.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Day 4 tastes like Vanilla
Post by: Mephansteras on February 10, 2010, 09:20:32 pm
Am I right in thinking that Janus' replacement would've been successful were it not for webadict killing him?

No, a War Vet kills anyone who visits them so an Advanced Dopp still dies even if they're doing a replace and not a kill. And, yes, the War Vet still dies in that case since the Advanced Dopp won't have time to do the change before dying.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 09:38:47 pm
Wait, stop press.  Neruz, you had a way to beat me: You claimed (or at least strongly hinted at) tracker before webadict claimed vig.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Neruz on February 10, 2010, 09:42:34 pm
Well yeah, i asked WA what his action was so i could confirm him as not-dopp. At that particular point in time i didn't give a wooden nickle what the rest of the town wanted, i was just looking for a townie to latch on to. I found one, a Vig even, the best possible result, solidly getting me Leafsnail as the last scum, and then the stupid happened.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 10, 2010, 10:05:08 pm
So... YOU GUYS GO TO LYLO... WHEN I KILLED THE GUY WHO DIDN'T KILL... AND HE'S THE OBV SCUM... YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT?!?!?!?!?!?

SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 10, 2010, 10:15:57 pm
So... YOU GUYS GO TO LYLO... WHEN I KILLED THE GUY WHO DIDN'T KILL... AND HE'S THE OBV SCUM... YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT?!?!?!?!?!?

SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Sure. Wait. What?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 10:16:58 pm
Yeah, actually, webadict, about that.

Why did you kill Pandar rather than me?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 10:25:00 pm
I still do not understand Leafy. What are you saying?

I meant that I hate the doctor role. I don't like it
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 10, 2010, 10:27:03 pm
In this game, it's called a "Guardian".
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 10:29:53 pm
...When did this happen?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: dakarian on February 10, 2010, 10:32:59 pm
IIRC:  Doctor isn't called 'doctor' in this game.  They are called Guardians.  If you had the role PM, it would be more likely you would use the proper name.  Thus it looked like you were lying. 

Also the fact that Guardians seem pretty rare compared to, say, bodyguards.

Fakeedit:  They have been called Guardians for as long as I remember, perhaps since Para began.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 10, 2010, 10:34:19 pm
Then I have called them doctors and will continue to do so forever.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 10, 2010, 10:47:04 pm
Yeah, actually, webadict, about that.

Why did you kill Pandar rather than me?
Mostly because I couldn't shoot you, because Neruz would find my killer, AKA you.

That, and I knew we'd lose if I didn't.

Turns out we'd lose if I did too.

Pandarsenic looked suspiciously inconspicuous. So, ka-pow?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 11, 2010, 12:32:28 am
Webadict, your anger is justified.

Also, how the hell did you know it'd be Leafy who killed you? :I
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 11, 2010, 08:52:31 am
Webadict, your anger is justified.

Also, how the hell did you know it'd be Leafy who killed you? :I
Because I said I was going to kill him.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 11, 2010, 11:00:11 am
I reckon the town would've won easily if there was a No Lynch day 2.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 11, 2010, 11:15:00 am
Then I have called them doctors and will continue to do so forever.

And it will continue to get people to not believe you forever.  Oh well, it worked out well this time around.  (for my team anyways)

I reckon the town would've won easily if there was a No Lynch day 2.

What?! A no lynch?! What is this insanity!  For some reason people seem somewhat resistant to those.  I've never really figured out the proper time to use one myself.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 11, 2010, 11:30:52 am
Webadict shoots pandarsenic/ me.  I or him are left alone with 4 townies...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 11, 2010, 12:42:50 pm
Webadict shoots pandarsenic/ me.  I or him are left alone with 4 townies...
Yes, but I didn't know Pandarsenic was scum until the last day I was alive, and I may have ended up shooting Kashyyk.

What confuses me is the NL on Day 3. I'd've gone straight for a lynch on Leafsnail, because, honestly, it should've been clear! When you let up and went for a NL, that was bizarrely stupid, and Org was even MORE stupid!

Seriously? Were you attempting to kill the other townie? Are you a moron? Sorry, I was thinking you were at least a bright person, but then I remembered.

Kudos to Org for winning it for the Dopps! His spectacularly anti-Town ploy backfired, actually GIVING us another Day, instead of killing the remaining Townie.

I mean, my God. That was terrible. Neruz, you should've pushed for the lynch that second Day, because you KNEW it was Leafsnail. Not pushing it killed you. You KNEW it! You let it go! You knew it!

If everyone knew I was Town, and then knew I knew you were Town, then why didn't you fight it?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 11, 2010, 04:29:05 pm
Yeah, because pushing for a lynch is really town.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 11, 2010, 04:49:25 pm
Yeah, because pushing for a lynch is really town.
It is when you're absolutely positive the person is scum, moron.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 11, 2010, 05:29:26 pm
I didn't.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: dakarian on February 11, 2010, 06:13:15 pm
Actually, lynch pushing is basic aggression.  It's either town or a null tell. 

Now, having no reason to want someone dead is scummy, but that can be done passively or aggressively.  Pushing someone hard in itself isn't scummy.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 11, 2010, 06:14:31 pm
Which is why I found it odd that Neruz was the one who suggested NL.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 11, 2010, 06:26:18 pm
Which is why I found it odd that Neruz was the one who suggested NL.
No kidding.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Neruz on February 11, 2010, 08:25:16 pm
I mean, my God. That was terrible. Neruz, you should've pushed for the lynch that second Day, because you KNEW it was Leafsnail. Not pushing it killed you. You KNEW it! You let it go! You knew it!

If everyone knew I was Town, and then knew I knew you were Town, then why didn't you fight it?

Because pushing ExKirby and Org was a waste of my time. Org is completely and totally useless at the best of times, and ExKirby was convinced i was scum and therefore lying about everything.

I gave up because i saw the usual signs that it was over. EK and Org had already stupided themselves to death.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 11, 2010, 08:32:47 pm
I should not have jumped on the bandwagon, but I was convinced you were being stupid. And you were. Now, why didn't you just lie and said you had watched me? It would have been better.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Neruz on February 11, 2010, 08:37:57 pm
Uh, because the aim was to follow someone, confirm their action and thus confirm that i could not have done the kill?

If i'd really followed you, i'd be dead, and you'd have known i was lying.



Plus it wouldn't have mattered, Leafsnail had 2 votes. he'd won at that stage, since he knew you were War Vet.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: dakarian on February 12, 2010, 02:11:57 am
I should not have jumped on the bandwagon, but I was convinced you were being stupid.

Big question: if you really think about it: was he really being SCUMMY, or just bothersome?


I've found that many, MANY times I've found a person that I felt needed to be lynched, MUST be lynched, WISHED to be lynched due to me not being able to see in ANY WAY POSSIBLE that they were town.

But when I tried to picture of them as actual mafia, I'd go "Well, I can't really see them doing that as mafia either."  then pull back.  When your argument is that they "aren't acting town" rather than they "are acting like mafia" then you need to step back because you may have the wrong target.

Note that if you have to make them into some kind of supermastermind with some super elaborate plan that involves an insane amount of risk, OR you at any point can say "that's what he wants us to think" then give up trying to lynch them...for now.

Once I started delinking "annoying" "stupid "bothersome" and even "anti-town" from "scummy" I found I mislynch far FAR less.

I also found that the mafia tend to be less hidden than it seems.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Neruz on February 12, 2010, 04:21:28 am
The main problem i see alot of in der B12 Mafias is that people tend to latch onto behaviour, rather than actual results. If someone is acting anti-town, even if the results they get are pro-town, it will be assumed that they must be Mafia and that their results are actually benefiting the Mafia, not the town.

This is basically what happened here; i wasn't acting entirely pro-town, but i had an extremely pro-town result; i'd cornered the Mafia to the point where they had to reveal at least one of their members to me, they literally had no choice. But ExKirby and Org decided that i looked like i was Anti-town, and therefore my incredibly pro-town result was ignored because it must clearly have been a lie.


If they'd calmed down and paid attention they would have noticed that my actions, while not exactly typical pro-town behaviour, were pants-on-head retarded for Mafia behaviour.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: dakarian on February 12, 2010, 05:11:56 am
There's three things to remember as town though:

1. The hunt is ALL!   Hunting scum is the highest priority.  A townie should be willing to do anything it takes if they truly believe that they will catch scum.

HOWEVER!

2. Any action you perform that is 'not pro-town' is a risk you place both on yourself (in getting lynched) and in the town (for wasting a lynch on yourself).  Any action that you perform that is distinctly anti-town runs the risk of destroying the very town you wished to save regardless of whether you actually locate scum.

3. Every action..EVERY SINGLE ACTION you do and do not do creates suspicion.  Unless the town is too weak (and thus half lost already), they will suspect you for everything you do no matter what.  Part of being a good townie is to expect and understand that suspicion (in fact, you should fear for your town if the suspicion never comes).  This goes triple should your actions not be 'pro-town'.

The result is this: if you know you aren't acting fully pro-town but you ARE after scum then that's fine, but you should be ready for the town's inevitable attack against you.  You should NOT expect them to simply accept your anti-town behavior as 'standard' since that's turning off their paranoia in order to give you a 'pass'.  That's the exact point where a good scum, even fully identified, will slip away.

Instead, you have a nasty balance.  You need to find a way to use your abilities to find scum while making sure you don't confuse the town OR disrupt its scumhunt.  No matter WHAT evidence you have, if you confuse the town or mess up its scumhunting attempts while they try to figure you out then the mafia will slip out.  The best way is to be readable.  You don't need to 'act town' like some say, but you DO need people to read you and go "Ok, I can see town doing that."   They may add a "...rather (messedup/stupid/annoying/anti-town/worthlesswasteoflife) town but still town" but so long as they can read you as town then you can do what you need to do.

It takes sympathy, a touch of empathy, a large batch of public relations, a ton of honesty, and a cool head.  It can be done even when performing most anti-town behaviors.

No.. it MUST be done.  If you can't, then you're better off learning how to become more 'pro-town' so that you'll be readable.  A readable but weak-hunting player is better for the town than an unreadable but powerful scumhunter.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Neruz on February 12, 2010, 05:14:03 am
Oh i was perfectly willing and expecting the town to come after me, which is why i backed my position up with simple facts.

What i did not expect was the facts to be ignored completely.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 12, 2010, 09:37:58 am
Oh i was perfectly willing and expecting the town to come after me, which is why i backed my position up with simple facts.

What i did not expect was the facts to be ignored completely.
Did you SEE who was left?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Neruz on February 12, 2010, 10:23:28 am
Oh i was perfectly willing and expecting the town to come after me, which is why i backed my position up with simple facts.

What i did not expect was the facts to be ignored completely.
Did you SEE who was left?

Yeah, i didn't expect much from Org, but i did expect ExKirby to at least pay some attention. I completely forgot about his recent performances.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 12, 2010, 04:18:04 pm
Oh i was perfectly willing and expecting the town to come after me, which is why i backed my position up with simple facts.

What i did not expect was the facts to be ignored completely.
Did you SEE who was left?

Yeah, i didn't expect much from Org, but i did expect ExKirby to at least pay some attention. I completely forgot about his recent performances.
Cool Neruz. You know, I actually tried to do something. Gj brosky.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 12, 2010, 06:23:57 pm
Oh i was perfectly willing and expecting the town to come after me, which is why i backed my position up with simple facts.

What i did not expect was the facts to be ignored completely.
Did you SEE who was left?

Yeah, i didn't expect much from Org, but i did expect ExKirby to at least pay some attention. I completely forgot about his recent performances.
Cool Neruz. You know, I actually tried to do something. Gj brosky.
Why didn't you think about why I was almost positive he was Town?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 12, 2010, 06:28:42 pm
Oh i was perfectly willing and expecting the town to come after me, which is why i backed my position up with simple facts.

What i did not expect was the facts to be ignored completely.
Did you SEE who was left?

Yeah, i didn't expect much from Org, but i did expect ExKirby to at least pay some attention. I completely forgot about his recent performances.
Cool Neruz. You know, I actually tried to do something. Gj brosky.
Why didn't you think about why I was almost positive he was Town?
Meh.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 12, 2010, 06:29:49 pm
Because webadict was having a really terrible game.

OH WAIT
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 12, 2010, 06:31:02 pm
Because webadict was having a really terrible game.

OH WAIT
I would've shot every Dopp.

I consider that a win.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 12, 2010, 06:32:46 pm
Hmm... you coulda done it if Neruz' claim hadn't drawn you out.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 12, 2010, 06:37:05 pm
Yeah, pretty much.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 12, 2010, 07:03:02 pm
Yeah, pretty much.
Really? I'm pretty sure I'd've been dead eventually anyhow.

I'm pretty sure that we should've won, based on Neruz's ability, and mine.

Plus, I basically confirmed Neruz on my own.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 12, 2010, 07:04:06 pm
I'll be honest, I was so confused on d3 when, y'know, they didn't immediately all vote Leafsnail...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 12, 2010, 07:05:22 pm
Apparently people didn't realise that Neruz claimed before webadict.  Even Neruz seemed to have forgotten.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: webadict on February 12, 2010, 07:13:13 pm
I'll be honest, I was so confused on d3 when, y'know, they didn't immediately all vote Leafsnail...
^This.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 13 - Game over
Post by: Org on February 12, 2010, 07:14:17 pm
I'll be honest, I was so confused on d3 when, y'know, they didn't immediately all vote Leafsnail...
^This.
>This.