Meh. Think you need to wait a touch longer, until a couple more games end.We only have 5 games running atm, though. That's nota a huge number, although they all seem to be in midgame atm.
Meh. Think you need to wait a touch longer, until a couple more games end.We only have 5 games running atm, though. That's nota a huge number, although they all seem to be in midgame atm.
Well, we'll probably have less activity with the upcoming DF release anyway.
The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
Consider the function f: R → R, x ↦ x/x+1. Then ∀x>0 (x≠2).
It's basically town/mafia/cult.Except that the Cult is Over Nine Thousand.
The Org can ruin EVERYTHING!!!!!!!QFT
So, Web, do you understand enough to join yet? :PI actually know less than when I started.
Eh, was honestly hoping there'd be a bit more interest... :(
I'm gonna be away over the weekend - expect the game to start Monday.
Also, what's preferences for time/hammer rules?
Vector (Chosen by our good friend the 10-sided die), which do you think is most important: Cybrid hunting, Imperial hunting, or Rebel hunting, and why?
Let's see if I get this straight.Yeah, but it turns out that was like forever ago and no longer works as a cool means to vote me.
The Overseer does something important? I don't remember whatever I'll check back later.
I vote Webadict for shooting me.
He doesn't have a reason to do so, for the fact that he is SCUM!Vector (Chosen by our good friend the 10-sided die), which do you think is most important: Cybrid hunting, Imperial hunting, or Rebel hunting, and why?
Doing a RV randomly is scummy, we aren't able to see your motive. At least choose your targets with a reason.
Archangel, why are you a cybrid?Why are you a Cybrid?
Vector (Chosen by our good friend the 10-sided die), which do you think is most important: Cybrid hunting, Imperial hunting, or Rebel hunting, and why?
Archangel, why are you a cybrid?
Archangel, why are you a cybrid?
Mr. Person, why are you declaring your Imperial sympathies so soon?
Either I'm an Imperial, or I want to appear to be on the currently dominant Imperials.
Taking a weighted average over the three factions (with the assumption that Imperials outnumber Rebels by 2 or more), we can assume that it is most important to kill the Cybrid.
Now...Archangel, why are you a cybrid?
Mr. Person, why are you declaring your Imperial sympathies so soon?
So then, although two of the three factions would very much prefer the cybrids to live to see tomorrow, you feel it is most important to hunt them to fit in? Interesting, interesting. Also interesting that you're pointing out Imperial sympathies, when according to your above analysis Imperial = Town. Would you accuse someone of having town sympathies in a normal game? And anti-cybrid is pro-Imperial, when the Rebels no doubt wish to at least contain the cybrids as well. A curious set of attitudes, that.
Toonyman: What motives should I have this early, other than to provoke a reaction?
Toonyman: What motives should I have this early, other than to provoke a reaction?
... Killing... Cybrid? Is there some reason why you haven't gotten with the program?
Toonyman: What motives should I have this early, other than to provoke a reaction?
... Killing... Cybrid? Is there some reason why you haven't gotten with the program?
And your first step to finding cybrids (or rebels, or imperials) isn't provoking reactions from them? What magical cybrid-hunting technique are you proposing, then?
Unless you'd rather that there wasn't a cybrid-hunting technique at all, to allow you to convert others?
Wow, game just started and already everyone reads like an open book. Good.Why are you so keen on Rebel hunting? Trying to make up for the fact that you're really... A CYBRID?!?!?!?
Well, almost everyone. Hey Meph, *grabs Vector and Mr.Person* what should we do about the rebel scum I found. At least one of them is it and I have a thought it might be two?
But, dakarian can't be a Cybrid if... VECTOR'S THE CYBRID!Toonyman: What motives should I have this early, other than to provoke a reaction?
... Killing... Cybrid? Is there some reason why you haven't gotten with the program?
And your first step to finding cybrids (or rebels, or imperials) isn't provoking reactions from them? What magical cybrid-hunting technique are you proposing, then?
Unless you'd rather that there wasn't a cybrid-hunting technique at all, to allow you to convert others?
... I think we may have mis-understood each other. Shouldn't you want to provoke a reaction for some purpose, and wouldn't that purpose also be considered a motive?
I.e., there should be some sort of chain here that goes something like this:
Rysith is a Cybrid -> Rysith must survive D1 -> Rysith must pretend to be an Imperial! -> Rysith must provoke reactions!
Or was everything after "Rysith is a Cybrid" lopped off in your view of your motives?
But, dakarian can't be a Cybrid if... VECTOR'S THE CYBRID!
meh useless statement Vector based on a scarecrow. Web accused you of being the Cybrid and threw a pressure attack on me as well to better read me, and you're poking back because he decided to aim at two people?
Btw, please tell me I'm reading your attack on Rysith wrong beacuse right now it looks like you are accusing him of being Too Townie.
(aka, "you're hunting in order to look imperial and thus you are the cybrid" which translates to "You are doing townie things which is what the mafia would want to do right now to fit in")
Okay, you're a Cybrid because you are acting like you're a Cybrid.meh useless statement Vector based on a scarecrow. Web accused you of being the Cybrid and threw a pressure attack on me as well to better read me, and you're poking back because he decided to aim at two people?
Btw, please tell me I'm reading your attack on Rysith wrong beacuse right now it looks like you are accusing him of being Too Townie.
(aka, "you're hunting in order to look imperial and thus you are the cybrid" which translates to "You are doing townie things which is what the mafia would want to do right now to fit in")
Look, it's the same old stupid statement: "GAH YOU'RE SCUM!!" I got sick of answering it in the same old way. So, to appease those of us who like tradition: no, Dakarian can still be a Cybrid, since I'm an Imperial. If you have any more accusations to bring up than "Vector is the Cybrid," please bring them to the front desk, and I will address them shortly.
My statement to Rysith amounts to him saying "The only motive I have is to reaction-test," which should be factually incorrect given my analysis. It's more a technical annoyance than anything else. The bit about "forgetting due to being a Cybrid" is for other reasons.
Guh, I need to look back at what's been happening soon... sorry, I'm unamusingly tired due to bad caffeine timing. It's completely killing whatever reasoning ability I usually have.
Well, this got busy fast.
The answer of what to do with rebels, of course, is to shoot them. Of course, you don't sound like you're too sure which is actually a rebel.
Are you just trying to stir up trouble, dakarian?
And how do you tell a rebel from a cybrid at this point? The cybrid won't care who gets lynched as long as it's not him, and the rebels don't know who the other rebels are at this point. Which means they'll be trying to get imperials lynched but aren't going to be too picky on who gets lynched day 1.
Unvote.
No one defends ToonyMan, ToonyMan is confused Vector is defending my arguments, desu.
Vector is the CYRBID.
Go back to Jersey, Cybrid scum.Unvote.
No one defends ToonyMan, ToonyMan is confused Vector is defending my arguments, desu.
Vector is the CYRBID.
Actually, no... but nice try, bandwagoner. Vector found Rysith's argument suspect, nyo~. Why ToonyMan don't understand this simple concept Vector doesn't know, nyo~.
I didn't say it wasn't possible to hunt for the cybrid, I was asking how you could differentiate between a rebel and the cybrid.
Which you just answered, namely that a cybrid won't care who gets lynched today but rebels will.
So why would a cybrid call attention to itself day one by pushing for any kind of lynch?
Perhaps. But we have three factions in this game, and the cybrid is alone at this point.
I suppose it's possible that the cybrid would do that, but it seems a bit unlikely. It'd probably be better off letting the other two sides fight it out.
Probably. Depends a lot on the play style of the cybrid, of course. But I'm guessing the cybrid is either lurking or active lurking. At least day one. The last thing the cybrid is going to want is to get noticed, because then they'll be at risk of one of the other two factions (or both) trying to take them out as a member of the other team.What's with the might?
Looking at our player list:
1. Vector
2. Leafsnail
3. Mr. Person
4. Rysith
5. Apostolistic Nihilist
6. Dakarian
7. Mephensteras (I note that my name is misspelled...)
8. ToonyMan
9. Archangel
10. Webadict
11. MagmaDeath
ToonyMan might try a Refuge in Audacity trick as cybrid, but most of the other players on here don't strike me as the type to do that.
So I'm expecting the cybrid to play it safe. They lose if they die, everyone else just hurts their team's chances a bit. The cybrid isn't a mafia at this point, it's more of an SK (at least in outlook).
Meph, you're voting for me because I'm not sure who the rebels are... during RVS?... Yeeeeeah... Soooo, anyhow, I'm gonna vote dakarian...
Also what's this 'shoot them' Mehness generic answer. We have lynches and the CHANCE of a vig shooter and that's it. Were you not sure whether I wanted you to say if we should lynch a rebel?
And now 'starting trouble'. Pressuring you and asking a question during RVS is 'starting trouble' and what makes me look scummy. Wow.
And now we're getting generic Theorytalk for you with no content on who you think the cybrid is. This isn't a Bastard Mod or even CLOSE to it. There's no room or point for attempting to work bastard-mod style game strategy. We win by scumhunting.
Of course that's not bad.. if it wasn't the overall passiveness you sound even in attacking me. Seriously "causing trouble" is the most aggressive you can get?
Oh and "The cybrid is lurking (which I'm clearly NOT doing so I'm clean)" is a nice touch.
Grounds?That you are scum. My God, you're being dumb.
Apostolic Nihilist, who do you think is the Cybrid, and why haven't you shown up to help kill him yet?I don't know -- Mephansteras is worth investigating further, but Dakarian seems to be pursuing that.
Apostolic Nihilist, who do you think is the Cybrid, and why haven't you shown up to help kill him yet?
Actually, no... but nice try, bandwagoner. Vector found Rysith's argument suspect, nyo~. Why ToonyMan don't understand this simple concept Vector doesn't know, nyo~.
Note:I'm glad you have time to remind everyone of that, but you don't have time to respond to being called scum, Scummy McScummerson. How's that?
Leafsnail and MagmaDeath need prods since they haven't posted since the game started.
Archangel is about an hour before needing a prod.
Leafsnail is on vacation until Thursday/Friday
Right now I'm not sure. We have too many lurkers at the moment for me to figure out if one of them is deliberately lurking or if they just haven't gotten online much.
It's not that I'm against voting one of them, it's that I'm waiting to see if they show up and do something. I know Leafsnail is out, but I don't know about MagmaDeath or any of our other lurkers.
I will probably end up voting one of the lurkers tomorrow, but for now it's more productive to debate the people who are actually around.
Mephansteras gets burned.It's not that I'm against voting one of them, it's that I'm waiting to see if they show up and do something. I know Leafsnail is out, but I don't know about MagmaDeath or any of our other lurkers.
I will probably end up voting one of the lurkers tomorrow, but for now it's more productive to debate the people who are actually around.
There's no reason for them to stop lurking if you never apply any pressure to them.
Note:I'm glad you have time to remind everyone of that, but you don't have time to respond to being called scum, Scummy McScummerson. How's that?
Leafsnail and MagmaDeath need prods since they haven't posted since the game started.
Archangel is about an hour before needing a prod.
We have too many lurkers at the moment for me to figure out if one of them is deliberately lurking or if they just haven't gotten online much.
Okay, well then here's my side:Note:I'm glad you have time to remind everyone of that, but you don't have time to respond to being called scum, Scummy McScummerson. How's that?
Leafsnail and MagmaDeath need prods since they haven't posted since the game started.
Archangel is about an hour before needing a prod.
Simple, I respond to question and actual accusations. When you do more than just say "you're scum because you're scum" I'll have more to say. Until then, you offer no more than name calling.
So far the only accusation you made is that I'm too busy rebel hunting, which is meh considering it was a pressure vote on MEPH AND part of the RVS.
Accuse me of an actual something or stop imagining that scumhunting consists of pointing a finger and calling names like a gradeschooler.
Let's see now, my RV consisted of me claiming that two people are rebels and, because of that you claim I'm rebel hunting.Now you're over-explaining.
...even though my VOTE and question was for Mephansteras.
If I was rebel hunting, wouldn't I accuse the folks I believe ARE rebels instead of a third party?
But no, just because I mention rebels I'm a rebel hunter, no matter where my vote and actual pressure is aimed at.
Then you say I ignored your RV by going 'grounds'. Has it really been that long since I said the same to you in chat mafia? Grounds = "Explain yourself since you left nothing for me to talk about". You provided nothing else since, as you say, it was a RV so I DID ignore it thereafter since..again.. it was a RV with nothing to talk about.
Oh wait, but I'm overreacting to the RV.. by saying 'grounds?' then ignoring it thereafter.
So did I ignore your RV or did I overreact to your RV.. or how do I do both?
Or perhaps instead, I noticed your RV, saw that I didn't have anything to reply with it (since the point of a RV is to incite conversation), decided to hand out something to see if you're willing to bring some debate and get "you're scum because you're scum", aka "no reason". Seemed suitable for a RV so I mentally go 'meh' then continue on my way with my own pressuring. I figure if you HAD info you'd bring it out and if you didn't you'd move on. You did the former.
So here we are now.
Any other issues?
So Webadict, would you have been ok if he just said "lol no"? What exactly would of been acceptable for Dakarian to say? How much text is not too much, not too little, just right!The kind only a Town can supply.
I am thinking an Imperial will get lynched, as we seem to want to lynch people who seem Imperial.Apostolic Nihilist, who do you think is the Cybrid, and why haven't you shown up to help kill him yet?I don't know -- Mephansteras is worth investigating further, but Dakarian seems to be pursuing that.
MagmaDeath on the other hand has yet to show up, and I'd like to wait until all are present to voice my reads.
Magma: What alignment do you think we'll end up lynching first? Cybrid? Rebel? Imperial, even?
But Dakarian is scum, purposely trying to not rebel hunt, then overexplaining this mistake?
As for whether or not the remaining 7 players seem not-cultish...they had at least posted. No, I don't have enough information on them to say they're not the cybrid. No one does. But they had at least shown up.
And, no, I wasn't pressuring anyone too much. Mostly because my pressuring of dakarian got me jumped on and I had to spend some time defending myself.
and I'd like to wait until all are present to voice my reads.
Webadict is the CYBRID.... But wasn't I technically ALSO town? Your logic stands no chance here, mere mortal.
This reminds me of parallel mafia, the one I subbed in. You're acting the same way.
I'm thinking he meant that you're not Cybrid hunting.But Dakarian is scum, purposely trying to not rebel hunt, then overexplaining this mistake?
You'll need to explain this one. "purposely trying not to rebel hunt." means what exactly?
The B universe Webadict.I was Town in that universe.
The B universe Webadict.I was Town in that universe.
@WebLah dee dah, Monsieur scumface.
I might need to start ignoring you until you actually pick an argument. I'm overreacting. I'm ignoring. I'm over explaining. I'm not answering. Now you want me to literally stop hunting and pressuring other people JUST to focus on you.
Then you say I'm not hunting and you think I don't feel that anyone is scummy.
You're contradicting yourself left right and center, and it's getting silly. Am I being defensive or am I ignoring you? Am I passing you by and focusing on others or am I not pressuring anyone?
For the record, Meph's is my prime target. He "SWEARS" he can get to doing what he's supposed to do if I leave him alone. I'm calling his bluff and giving him 'the room he needs to scumhunt'. I believe I'll have enough on him to be done with him and acquire our first lynch.
Meanwhile, I'm poking at others who I haven't had a read on while I wait for Meph to finish cooking. So far I still need to get a read on Leafsnail, Apostolistic Nihilist, ToonyMan (though you have to put him in the 'watch' category for a while to get anything), and Archangel (though he's lurking). I've got an impression on the rest so far.
Oh yes, and I'm waiting for you to decide exactly what type of scum I am rather than accusing me of contradictory matters (which is better than no accusations at all like how you started, so that's a plus)
Correction:So, you're blaming him for voting for a lurker when you were initially doing so?
I complain that you aren't attacking anyone active and are just sitting around waiting for lurkers to show.
So when you vote for yet ANOTHER lurker, I complain.
Meanwhile, you haven't actually pressured anyone or even asked them questions to see if they show anything resembling scummy behavior. The Cybrid would act like a cult which, at this point, would be a mix of SK with a dash of extra rolefishing since they'll want to find the most 'pro-town' people to infect. It's not THAT different from a normal mafia.
Yes, a rebel would also have a few mafia tendencies as well but at least it'll narrow it down if you had a batch of folks who were possible rebel/cybrids if it came to that.
You're passive, worried, and seriously trying to avoid any imperial/rebel fighting. In short.. your waiting for something. Today you're too weak to stand on your own two legs but you seem to want to wait till tomorrow. Tomorrow you'll be stronger and have a better standing.
unvote Apostolic
Vote Mephansteras
The reason why you only see Imp/Rebels is simple. That's all there is: rebels, imperials, and you.
I'm done with you, now, Cybrid.
Yeah, well, besides the obvious counter of "That was like sooo last year", I'd like to remind you that you're an idiot. I'm not scum. I'm not sure where you got the notion I was. Probably when I shot you in Paranormal. Now I'm ALWAYS scum.The B universe Webadict.I was Town in that universe.
The universe you were scum, the one I SUBBED IN FOR.
Hi, everyone. Back. I'll do some proper reading soon, but to start off with:
Webadict's attack on dakarian seems odd and vague. He writes a lot in the attack, but it really doesn't amount to much. He basically asks Dak for an explanation and gets annoyed when he's given one.
There seems to have been some lurking, but at the same time, this shouldn't prevent us from scumhunting. With that in mind, Mr.Person, you've been very eager to jab at people, but haven't contributed much of your own. What are your suspicions?
To answer Mr. Person's question I wasn't voting for the lurkers because it was still (literal) day one and some people may not have had a chance to even read the thread yet. So, not necessarily any information there.
As for whether or not the remaining 7 players seem not-cultish...they had at least posted. No, I don't have enough information on them to say they're not the cybrid. No one does. But they had at least shown up.
And, no, I wasn't pressuring anyone too much. Mostly because my pressuring of dakarian got me jumped on and I had to spend some time defending myself.
On the upside, I'm more awake today.
Webadict is the CYBRID.
This reminds me of parallel mafia, the one I subbed in. You're acting the same way.
I said earlier that he's being too passive. All his aggression is faux.
I haven't had much access to the internet the last couple of days. Right now, only one person seems wrong to me, so:? I guess I'm being guarded. And you can't really believe I'm odd, or that I'm the only odd one. That's preposterously stupid.
Guard Webadict.
I'll reread the thread later to try to get something more.
Buddy someone else.I said earlier that he's being too passive. All his aggression is faux.
His aggression is always faux at this point in the game.
I said earlier that he's being too passive. All his aggression is faux.If you're going to use a meta to vote me, at least use a current one. I'd suggest linking Aztec mafia, as that would be the most recent, instead of your lame excuse of a vote.
Seriously, you haven't done anything to point out anyone as scum. Mephansteras as scum? Really? No. Not likely, at least. Mephansteras has a way about him when he's scum.
No no. You're not doing anything useful. You're trying to look like you are, but you're not, and won't ever. Mostly because you're going to go after an easy lynch.
So, you're blaming him for voting for a lurker when you were initially doing so?
What blatant double standards you set. You yourself weren't even going for Mephansteras until you saw he was weakly attacking. He's not the scum, I'm afraid, but it's a nice shot.
Because you HAD to point at someone. Therefore, you're going to point at someone who might appear passive, and then try to throw on evidence later. Mephansteras is always a good target for that, because he's always busy.
Seriously, you haven't done anything to point out anyone as scum. Mephansteras as scum? Really? No. Not likely, at least. Mephansteras has a way about him when he's scum.
Now you say I didn't point anyone out as scum but turn around and say you don't like the person I pointed out as scum.
You may not LIKE the idea of Meph being the Cybrid, but it doesn't change the fact that he is and that I've targeted him. You not LIKING my choice doesn't mean I didn't make a choice.What is your main argument for him being Cybrid? Passiveness? Weak attack? Your mother?
You're not really going after them. You can't go after someone if you're the real someone they're going after. You can only try to make everyone believe it's him and not you.QuoteNo no. You're not doing anything useful. You're trying to look like you are, but you're not, and won't ever. Mostly because you're going to go after an easy lynch.
So now I AM going after someone but they are an 'easy lynch'.
I go after the person who looks the most scummy. Meph is passive, lurkerhunting, votes out of reaction-little else-and is content to wait it out to the next day, which is when the cybrid threat becomes much more uglier.I'm glad you jumped off of Meph to randomvote Apostolic Nihilist. That shows how dedicated you were to voting him. I mean, give him some room to breath? That'll alleviate some of the suspicion he has on you. Why the heck not?
The first part of this answer was acceptable, even if Apostolic wasn't really posting. The second part completely destroyed the entire thing as a legitimate answer. It means you're backpedaling.QuoteSo, you're blaming him for voting for a lurker when you were initially doing so?
Apostolic was still deemed as active at the time of my post. Everyone else I voted on has been very active.
I assume people that jump off of their target aren't really going after them. You have an FoS for a reason. Taking your vote off of someone makes the entire pressure thing worthless. You know that.QuoteWhat blatant double standards you set. You yourself weren't even going for Mephansteras until you saw he was weakly attacking. He's not the scum, I'm afraid, but it's a nice shot.
I wasn't going after Meph until after he attacked? (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=48944.msg1036934#msg1036934)
My first post was against him. My second post poked at others while I waited for his answer. My third post was in reply to his attack, his response to my question, and his theorycrafting.
But now I get it. Your REAL problem is that I'm after Meph who you feel isn't scum. Instead of defending him, you're attacking me. I was wondering what got in your bonnet.You'd have to actually be attacking him in order for that to be true. I also feel like Meph isn't scum (At least not the Cybrid kind), so I will use how you attack him as evidence against you.
You know the stance I get at this point. I DO listen to other people's arguments. To ME Meph is scum full and true. If you have any knowledge of him (and it sounds like you do) then speak up instead of assuming "OMG he's trying to kill a townie.. he's SCUM!"So, you're saying that he's scum unless I have proof otherwise. Which means you're rolefishing and going to go after Mephansteras regardless of what evidence there is, because it's just too tough to switch now.
Btw, I extended because there's still more to discuss, and there's too many trying to sleep throughThis is true, and it's quite obvious.
this deal. Besides, without that extension we would've ended in a no lynch.
Meanwhile:Well, I'd do that, but it seems I cannot.
yes, I'd very much be content with an inspection.
What makes you think he's the Cybrid and not a Rebel?
Vector
-- Lots of theory talk early on, little activity later. Vote is still on Apostolic Nihilist since before he showed up and posted.
You seem to be active lurking, Vector. A few scattered posts saying you're tired but you haven't done *anything* since the very start of the day, which is unusual for you. Letting the rest of us fight it out while you watch? Vector is a good candidate for the Cybrid.
But dakarian wasn't doing the same thing. He was noticeably participating in the thread and drawing lots of attention to himself, while Vector and Rysith haven't been. (Vector absent except for "I'm busy" statements and Rysith making short appearances and generally being in the background).
So it's a bit different. Also, the Overseer had already called for a test of him and I wanted to see if that would happen.
But dakarian wasn't doing the same thing. He was noticeably participating in the thread and drawing lots of attention to himself, while Vector and Rysith haven't been. (Vector absent except for "I'm busy" statements and Rysith making short appearances and generally being in the background).
So it's a bit different. Also, the Overseer had already called for a test of him and I wanted to see if that would happen.
So you think the cybrid is going to lurk, but you won't vote the people you think are lurking?
Now that THAT's out of the way (seriously, I get more accusations when I'm town than when I'm scum.. perhaps I should lurk more and attack less):I didn't think he was a Cybrid. Maybe he is.
1. Web is something, but I don't believe he's a cybrid.
2. @Web Now that you can stop trying to lynch me, WHY is Meph not a Cybrid?
3. If Meph isn't the cybrid, then I'm looking at Magma. Leaf would be a distant third.
Rysith
-- Lots of theory talk as well
-- Switches to Dakarian for being defensive
So Vector, Rysith, and I all spend a while talking theory and I'm the only one who gets called out on it? Sheesh. Anyway, minor suspicion on Rysith for saying a lot early on without really getting too involved in the voting. If dakarian isn't the cybrid...Rysith is doing a great job of following the strategy I predicted for a cybrid.
I can't test anybody because I fixed somebodies thing last night.
Technician - Day action, public action, may announce a public "Inspection" against another player to publicly reveal his current cybrid/human status.
Extension.Was somebody supposed to die? Last I checked, it was a Cult, pal.
Vote Webadict.
I can't test anybody because I fixed somebodies thing last night.
Oh, and no one died. Anybody have any suspects? I got mine.
I was blocked, and by Archangel. Too bad, eh?I can't test anybody because I fixed somebodies thing last night.
Care to explain that statement, Toony?
No one dying really doesn't tell us too much. The only night kill role that anyone could have had last night is the Enforcer, so all that means is that we probably *don't* have one. Doesn't stop one from having been roleblocked or choosing not to kill, but neither of those options is as likely.
It also means there wasn't a Weak [whatever] that the cybrid tried to turn, which also doesn't tell us much.
Webadict, were you roleblocked last night? Archangel's last post implied that's what should have happened to you, so confirmation of his role would be nice.
Extension.Was somebody supposed to die? Last I checked, it was a Cult, pal.
Vote Webadict.
I can't test anybody because I fixed somebodies thing last night.
Oh, and no one died. Anybody have any suspects? I got mine.
Webadict, were you roleblocked last night? Archangel's last post implied that's what should have happened to you, so confirmation of his role would be nice.I was blocked, and by Archangel. Too bad, eh?
I'll do the test again tomorrow when I can.They lose their passive abilities and keep their active ones, I think.
Hold on, MOD: I can't read the rules because, if a CYBRID converts someone do they keep their abilities?
You thought you'd catch me lying? Ha! You'll need to better than that.Webadict, were you roleblocked last night? Archangel's last post implied that's what should have happened to you, so confirmation of his role would be nice.I was blocked, and by Archangel. Too bad, eh?
Well, proof of lying would have been nice, yes.
Sadly, with the cult aspect of the cybrids all clearing someone does is lessen the likelyhood that they're a cybrid the next day.
So of Dakarian, ToonyMan, and Archangel at most one of them could now be a cybrid.
I can't read the rules because, if a CYBRID converts someone do they keep their abilities?
Very nice that this game went Night while I was away. VERY easy to remember what happened here.
Meph you finally picked someone in Day 2.. now you're job is to explain why you had to wait until after the cybrid did their job and why Rysith.
Who needs the replacement, by the way?Apostolic Nihilist
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Rysith
-- Lots of theory talk as well
-- Switches to Dakarian for being defensive
So Vector, Rysith, and I all spend a while talking theory and I'm the only one who gets called out on it? Sheesh. Anyway, minor suspicion on Rysith for saying a lot early on without really getting too involved in the voting. If dakarian isn't the cybrid...Rysith is doing a great job of following the strategy I predicted for a cybrid.
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I'm going to have to go with Rysith. You've been background active for most of the game and just pushed dakarian up to lynching level with your vote. While Dakarian has been attacking me relentlessly, I'm not sure he's the cybrid. It just seems to reckless for the cybrid to call that much attention to himself when there are Technicians with day actions who could check on him.
A good bit before the end of the day, I might add. So this is neither sudden nor unexplained.
And my reasoning still stands, so I have no reason to shift my vote away from him today.
QuoteWho needs the replacement, by the way?Apostolic Nihilist[/b]
Because my job suddenly goes away between days? (I mean, it could, but it's really unlikely). I'm posting (and reading) as much as I can with the time I have. Do you have any other reasons for voting me, aside from not being able to be as active as some of our (assumedly younger or less-employed) players?
As it is, I can post around twice a day, once in the morning and once at night. If that's "active lurking" to you, I suppose I can't actually do anything other than active lurk, since I need to work and I need to sleep. And I only pushed Dakarian up to lynching levels if by lynching levels you mean "Three Votes", which is a long way from even a soft hammer.
So yeah. We can add "pushes lynch on players that are active but can't post often"1, "uses faulty logic"2, and "spreads WIFOM"3 to the complaints that I had yesterday. Mephansteras, can you excuse your behavior?
1 A common Scum practice, since active players are by far the largest threat and players that can't post often can't defend well.
2 Because you need to pull a false accusation from somewhere. Plus, a truly cleared townie wouldn't be less likely for the cybrids to grab in the night.
3 Because a town that you can get not to trust itself is a dead town, as we've shown many times.
Vector, he posted in the thread specifically saying he was requesting a replacement, and then I said we needed a replacement. I'm surprised you missed it.
Oh, and by the way,
Roughly 36 hours remain in the day. Extensions by ToonyMan and Rysith.
Toonyman, why are you voting for Webadict? You spent most of yesterday bouncing around with little explanation, and I'd hate to see you do the same today even though we know you weren't a cybrid yesterday. It's not helpful. And can you really not inspect someone today?
MOD: A player can't use their day action when they use their minor ability night-action correct?So why did you think repairing dakarian's spaceship (which, as far as I can tell, has no effect on the game) would be more useful than publically announcing if someone is a cybrid?
It said RIGHT in my PM. I can't use my day action because of that. If the MOD doesn't clear this up I can show you tomorrow and you can lynch me if I can't.
1) Three votes was enough to get Dakarian lynched. The fact that it's not 'hammer' level is irrelevant. If he'd had three votes on him at the end of the day, he'd have been lynched. With how scattered the votes were yesterday it'd have been very easy for him to get lynched with 'only' three votes. If he hadn't been cleared, there is a very good chance he *would* have been lynched, and your vote would have been crucial to that.
3) You're using 'WIFOM' wrong. WIFOM would be me trying to confuse people and make them second-guess themselves (which is what WIFOM truly means). All I did was point out that players who were cleared one day are not cleared the next. Hardly WIFOM. Unless you'd rather everyone conveniently *forget* that little fact so that your new cybrid buddy gets a pass for the rest of the game.
Sadly, with the cult aspect of the cybrids all clearing someone does is lessen the likelyhood that they're a cybrid the next day.
I wouldn't talk about that game if I were you...Toonyman, why are you voting for Webadict? You spent most of yesterday bouncing around with little explanation, and I'd hate to see you do the same today even though we know you weren't a cybrid yesterday. It's not helpful. And can you really not inspect someone today?
It's his game play right now. I got him for it in MSPA mafia (that's taboo to talk in an ongoing game but whatever).
Meanwhile:Go die.
@Glyph Mr.Person, Archangel, and MagmaDeath have not posted for over 24 hours.
@Everyone playing
On top of those three, ToonyMan failed to explain WHY he's voting for Webadict. Meanwhile, Webadict didn't follow up on his attack on Mephansteras. Everyone else seems to be hunting so far.
ToonyMan is scum. He just is. There are no roles at all that would prevent him from inspecting today... other than the cybrid, of course. Therefore ToonyMan is a poorly chosen convert. Therefore he needs death.
I don't particularly like Meph's position in the Meph vs Rysith argument. Mephansteras is accusing Rysith very strongly (of being the main cybrid) but hasn't brought much evidence to the table, and is still relying on his rather flimsy day one case. Rysith's position looks stronger.
You'd rather I'd just mark you town and leave you alone, Web?No, I'd rather you went and died, though the first would be particularly helpful.
ToonyMan is scum. He just is. There are no roles at all that would prevent him from inspecting today... other than the cybrid, of course. Therefore ToonyMan is a poorly chosen convert. Therefore he needs death.What is Meph's position? Why don't you keep elaborating?
I don't particularly like Meph's position in the Meph vs Rysith argument. Mephansteras is accusing Rysith very strongly (of being the main cybrid) but hasn't brought much evidence to the table, and is still relying on his rather flimsy day one case. Rysith's position looks stronger.
I would like someone to protect me then.You can take Archangel :P
Why are you reassuring me?Oh, I'm just saying you've got plenty of time.
Care to explain that, Web? Why would ToonyMan be fine?Don't butt in. I wasn't talking to you.
A note about replacements... I have yet to find one for Apostolic, and there are 3 people who haven't responded to prods... uh, what should I do!?
I'm just afraid that if I put four people up for replacement this thing is as good as dead.
ArchAngel (3 prods)
Mr.Person (2 prods)
MagmaDeath (2 prods)
Apostolic (Replace Request)
It explains why Meph seemed scummy. Nasty thing is that the rebels will create false positives in a scumhunt....But what about Rysith?
The damn fringe folks are all alike: Don't know where their loyalties lie.
As for who's next.. that's the BIG PROBLEM: half of the players are out of it and without replacements, hunting is.. meh.
Though among the actives, I'll state that Leafsnail looks wrong, though rebel or cybrid it's hard to tell.
As for who's next.. that's the BIG PROBLEM: half of the players are out of it and without replacements, hunting is.. meh.
A question, can he still switch to another person?But... you see... if Archangel switches to ToonyMan, ToonyMan can't use his power.
If so then, Arch, switch your guard to ToonyMan.
As for Rysith: he's an unknown at the moment. he's thrown content out but nothing jumped out at me on first reading. I'll need to dig a little deeper to read him. For now, Leafsnail looks like the biggest contender and if we turn to lynching today, he'll be my choice.
I'm also no longer sure that finding and lynching the cybrid is the right course of action, for either side: I suspect that we've got equal numbers of Imperials and Rebels (based on the potential game sizes), which would mean a d1 Cybrid kill would mean a draw. Better to block them and get a favorable ratio before killing them, rather than simply killing them day one.
I suspect that in a short game, the Imperials (with the Overseer) will win, the rebels (with their superior communication once it is established) will win, and in a lengthy game the cybrids (due to their conversions) will win.
That deals with a crazy amount of the town right there.... So, you're saying that Rysith HAS to be Cybrid?
So, as for the chitterchatter we need:
Hey Rysith.
Why is it that every vote you've done in Day 1 involved people who were already under heavy fire? Sure, you made a heavy case against Vector early on, but you dropped that one like a bad habit with no sign that you felt any better about him. You didn't return once I was inspected either. Instead you say:QuoteI'm also no longer sure that finding and lynching the cybrid is the right course of action, for either side: I suspect that we've got equal numbers of Imperials and Rebels (based on the potential game sizes), which would mean a d1 Cybrid kill would mean a draw. Better to block them and get a favorable ratio before killing them, rather than simply killing them day one.
Interesting considering:QuoteI suspect that in a short game, the Imperials (with the Overseer) will win, the rebels (with their superior communication once it is established) will win, and in a lengthy game the cybrids (due to their conversions) will win.
Does that mean that your Day 2 actions are based on hunting your rival side rather than finding Cybrids?
Not done with him yet. What I found is more than grounds for a deep attack, but I'll need answers before I finish things up.Not what I asked.
ALTHOUGH, I'm not liking the silence overall.
Not done with him yet. What I found is more than grounds for a deep attack, but I'll need answers before I finish things up.
So basically, you don't have any definite suspects.Not done with him yet. What I found is more than grounds for a deep attack, but I'll need answers before I finish things up.
Aka no, I'm NOT saying "Rysith HAS to be Cybrid". I'm saying he may be assuming all of the other folks already being checked aren't. If he and Magma pass then it'll be moving on to the folks already marked by the Overseer.
Thread is now active again. Time to post people!
Closes tomorrow at 4pm EST to give everyone a final say/vote
QuoteThread is now active again. Time to post people!
Closes tomorrow at 4pm EST to give everyone a final say/vote
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME. I said the day would end at 4pm. It ended after that.
Is it that you want an hour or something before the thread closes and a warning that there are 30 minutes left or something?
^This would be lovely.QuoteThread is now active again. Time to post people!
Closes tomorrow at 4pm EST to give everyone a final say/vote
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME. I said the day would end at 4pm. It ended after that.
Is it that you want an hour or something before the thread closes and a warning that there are 30 minutes left or something?
I think that people in general like daily vote counts, with a reminder of when the day is going to end and so on. It helps us anchor ourselves in time.
Maybe I should just kill the game - I have proven I clearly have no ability to host it properly, and I don't want to drag people along if I'm screwing it up bad enough that its no longer enjoyable.No, you can still fix it, but you need to make sure everything is fixed. Like the PM would've been a good idea, because we would've gotten it. Or maybe if you're ending the Day soon, a little reminder that the Day is ending in, say, an hour. It's nice to know when exactly with several vote counts, or something like that.
I just want to say I'm sorry to everyone - I have made way too many mistakes. I'll keep running it for now, and I guess I can open the day back up? I should be gone already, but I'll send out a game-wide reminder that the game is open tomorrow, and give 24 hours from then till the real day end, and I'll post an update an hour before if I possible can.
Does that mean that your Day 2 actions are based on hunting your rival side rather than finding Cybrids?
Glyph: I think it's 10. I know I've had to batch messages for mafia games before.Does that mean that your Day 2 actions are based on hunting your rival side rather than finding Cybrids?
Absolutely not. I think that finding the cybrid is important, but that killing the cybrid isn't a good idea until my side has a numerical advantage. Finding the original cybrid is still important, since only the original cybrid can create new cybrids, and I strongly feel that what we need to do is control the cybrid's spread until the time is right to end the game, rather than simply rushing to end it as soon as possible. I don't think I've found the cybrid, so I'm still hunting there. I just don't think that lynching them once found is the right course.
I was still suspicious of Vector, I just dropped it in favor of pre-inspection Dakarian and by the time I was around to think about voting again I was busy wondering whether the cybrid should be lynched or not and really didn't want to vote for people I thought were the cybrid.
But for now, I really don't remember what's happened in this game and I'm too exhausted to do any kind of scan, so the best I can do is say I'll try to go through one in the morning.
But Dakarian is scum, purposely trying to not rebel hunt, then overexplaining this mistake?Which was the second vote on Dakarian after Webadict was pushing him, using the same accusation that Webadict was using, and a FOS against Meph for the same reason I had been using. Bandwagoning on both people under suspicion at the time and buddying, all in the same neat little package.
Mephansteras is being very passive-aggressive. Why?
Hmm, interesting. The overseer has posted. The plan looks good, since I'm not a cybrid and the inspection will do nothing to me.How can you say he's parroting me when there... is nothing in my reasoning?
Anyway, unvote:
MagmaDeath does need replacing, but I'm not sure if he needs lynching. Both webadict and Rysith have jumped straight on him, but Rysith's attack looks opportunistic and odd. It's like he doesn't want to admit that he's pushing an easy lurker/ flaker lynch, and thus posted a small reason for it. The reason is based on a single post, and since MagmaDeath obviously can't respond, Rysith must think that post is worth lynching over.
Also interesting to see you're voting someone for following webadict while following webadict.
The reason is based on a single post because that post is the only post Magmadeath has made all game (except for the single-word post requesting an extension). There isn't anything else to go on.So WHY do you want him lynched? Yes, there isn't anything else to go on, but surely that should make you less sure of his alignment. The only reason you should lynch someone who needs a replacement is if they're previous incarnation made it abundantly clear that they were scum.
How can you say he's parroting me when there... is nothing in my reasoning?No, more for just voting MagmaDeath after you did even though his evidence was a long way in the past.
Unless you're reading things my mind! My God!
@Mr.Person
The Overseer could be lying. However, they ARE told whether the Enforcer exists.
As for your answers, I find it interesting that you believe that since I dislike the way Rysith stopped scumhunting that you assume it to mean I feel that Vector should be attacked. If I meant to have Vector questioned I'd do it myself, not browbeat folks into doing my work for them.
The point is that Rysith went into a heavy attack against someone then suddenly stopped in mid stride with nothing to show that he was no longer suspicious. That it was Vector is a non-issue: it could've been anyone else. He started to scumhunt, then decided to just plain old stop hunting instead.
..and my suspicion has been proven. Rysith believes that Vector could be the cybrid but doesn't want to hunt further. Instead, he's after people who aren't on his side. I highly suggests that he's NOT the cybrid but a rebel instead.
As to whether Vector IS the cybrid, I don't know. I'll have to do a scan of her.
For now, though, welcome back Mr.Person. You can do more than throwing out comments and shit. You could actually get to scumhunting.
For example, can I interpret your post to suggest that you believe I'm the cybrid? If not then what ARE you doing? If so then where's your vote?
I say we lynch Archangel.
Oh right. My mistake.
No, not Archangel. Unvote.
I meant MagmaDeath.
Whoopsies.
I don't see Rysith as the main Cybrid. Web I've already read and I don't get a feel on him as one either yet (the reason I'm not attacking him).I've got an idea.
I have high suspicions about Leafsnail, but he's already being investigated. Mr.Person has turned unreadable thanks to him being already ready to die.
Actually, you know what? unvote.
Vote Leafsnail. Jumped hard and fast for that slip Web made but decided to jump on the easier target first even when he's suspicious of both.
If we're going to lynch, we should try to lynch the main cybrid. It'll give the Investigator less to do but it'll mean one less convert to worry about.
Eh, not paying attention when I'm assumed to be a dead man. Same question but about MagmaDeath instead of Archangel.Why would you want him here? He hasn't done anything. Leaving lurkers alive only leads to more lurking.
I don't see Rysith as the main Cybrid. Web I've already read and I don't get a feel on him as one either yet (the reason I'm not attacking him).Ok, dakarian. This post makes no sense AT ALL.
I have high suspicions about Leafsnail, but he's already being investigated. Mr.Person has turned unreadable thanks to him being already ready to die.
Actually, you know what? unvote.
Vote Leafsnail. Jumped hard and fast for that slip Web made but decided to jump on the easier target first even when he's suspicious of both.
If we're going to lynch, we should try to lynch the main cybrid. It'll give the Investigator less to do but it'll mean one less convert to worry about.
Jumped hard and fast for that slip Web made but decided to jump on the easier target first even when he's suspicious of both.Uhuh. So, if I see a slightly scummy move and a very scummy move I should jump on the person making the slightly scummy move first if they're more experienced?
How about we we protect dakarian with Archangel, and I'll protect ToonyMan, since I'm a Doctor. I just feel like this would be a good idea, since it allows us to block dakarian, who may be a convert (Losing his converting powers), while it leaves ToonyMan still alive and able to use his inspect.
Now, if you are certain that I am the main cybrid (so certain that you're prepared to fuck up the confirmed townie's plan) then why are you so hesitant to vote me?
Active Rebel Roles (Has quickchat, though only organizer starts in it):Leafsnail, why are you overlooking some important features of the game that mean that the Overseer isn't a confirmed townie? Why are you hiding behind it as a shield? I'd much rather than we independently decided that the Overseer's plan was sound than attack people for questioning him.
Snowman - Has access to the overseers announcement system.
Ok, dakarian. This post makes no sense AT ALL.
We're trying to lynch the main cybrid, even though, if I am the main cybrid, I am going to be discovered TONIGHT. And we give the investigator "less to do"... riiight.
Now, if you are certain that I am the main cybrid (so certain that you're prepared to fuck up the confirmed townie's plan) then why are you so hesitant to vote me? Surely the "You know what?" bit should've been unnecessary if ou had such a strong suspicion. I mean... why not just say "I think Leafsnail is scum, lynch him!"?
And your non role related reason is equally crap.QuoteJumped hard and fast for that slip Web made but decided to jump on the easier target first even when he's suspicious of both.Uhuh. So, if I see a slightly scummy move and a very scummy move I should jump on the person making the slightly scummy move first if they're more experienced?
Why would you want him here? He hasn't done anything. Leaving lurkers alive only leads to more lurking.
Oh no, I think dakarian might be the second Cybrid, which is why I'm effectively blocking him. This way, I make sure he's blocked, that Toony's alive, and that I'm not converted tonight.Why would you want him here? He hasn't done anything. Leaving lurkers alive only leads to more lurking.
You didn't directly answer the question, but since I can read, I get it. You're voting him because he's inactive. No better opinions?
And Magmadeath has been active (today, even), but has chosen not to post in this thread. That's actively lurking, not just being not here, and lurking + buddying + bandwagoning is exactly the kind of thing that you do call people out for, and do vote them for.
Vector - Day One you were always careful to give opinions for each of the three sides. Why were you so cautious?
I think we should lynch MagmaDeath.
Unvote. Vote MagmaDeath.
I think bloated government officials need to offer alternatives rather than just being the Party of No.
Aka: Who's scummier than MagmaDeath?
Magma, though, has been here 2 hours ago and felt comfortable enough to not post anyway.
Besides, Nihilist officially requested a replacement. That means his role WON"T be active whatever it is. If he does try to send a PM, then he won't be in 'replace me' mode anymore, which shows he's just trying to hide.
Until then, Magma is the worst threat.
I think bloated government officials need to offer alternatives rather than just being the Party of No.
Aka: Who's scummier than MagmaDeath?
If you really want to lynch a lurker, Apostolic Nihilist would be the lynch.
On the one hand, if Dakarian were converted last night then having him not be the one that came out confirmed would be exactly what he would want. On the other, if Webadict was already converted last night then not being confirmed today would be what he wanted. Either way, Archangel (and Toonyman if he inspects) are confirmed non-cybrid today.Uninspired, eh? No, I wasn't converted tonight, nor am I the Cybrid. ToonyMan can still test me, fortunately enough, if you're still feeling I'm scum. Which I'm not, nor have I ever been. But, whatever. We just have to wait.
But the Dakarian/webadict split to not be inspected is disturbing, and makes me think that one of them is a cybrid now. My first guess would be webadict, because yesterday he said that he'd like Toonyman to inspect him and today he seems rather opposed to it.
Uninspired, eh? No, I wasn't converted tonight, nor am I the Cybrid. ToonyMan can still test me, fortunately enough, if you're still feeling I'm scum. Which I'm not, nor have I ever been. But, whatever. We just have to wait.
Plus, I would like if he would use his power on me tomorrow, thereby gaining us a lot of confirmed peoples.And
Sure. Why NOT! All this does is only prove three person now, instead of keeping dakarian confirmed.
Whatever.
That's very nice, Rysith, but that means you're relying on Power Roles to do your bidding, which it will eventually do, and seems to be the only reason you're voting me now.Uninspired, eh? No, I wasn't converted tonight, nor am I the Cybrid. ToonyMan can still test me, fortunately enough, if you're still feeling I'm scum. Which I'm not, nor have I ever been. But, whatever. We just have to wait.
I was referring to the apparent incongruity between this:Plus, I would like if he would use his power on me tomorrow, thereby gaining us a lot of confirmed peoples.AndSure. Why NOT! All this does is only prove three person now, instead of keeping dakarian confirmed.
Whatever.
Which seem to be of two very different minds about whether Toonyman should inspect you or Dakarian. An inspection of you, of course, would clear my vote.
@Web... Why is the head Cybrid the most dangerous?
Yah, I'm not confirmed as a nonconvert, but I AM confirmed as not the head and we need the head lobbed off first. The key is to confirm who's not the head in the first place. As for why to reconfirm Toony: so long as he's not a cybrid he's our best shot in finding the cybrid, role wise.
By the way, wasn't Mr.person supposed to die?
That's very nice, Rysith, but that means you're relying on Power Roles to do your bidding, which it will eventually do, and seems to be the only reason you're voting me now.
Wouldn't you agree? I mean, are you really scumhunting?
When did I ever not want to be inspected by a Cybrid. I said I wanted Archangel to friggin' listen to a clear plan. What happened? We get nobodys that know nothing.That's very nice, Rysith, but that means you're relying on Power Roles to do your bidding, which it will eventually do, and seems to be the only reason you're voting me now.
Wouldn't you agree? I mean, are you really scumhunting?
Webadict, are you being intentionally obtuse?
I'm not asking power roles to do my bidding, I'm pointing out that you were in favor of being inspected by Toonyman yesterday, and this morning you are resigned to being inspected at worst and suggesting Dakarian instead. That has nothing to do with wanting the power roles to do my bidding and everything to do with the fact that the only reason I can think of for you to suddenly go from wanting to be inspected to not wanting to be inspected overnight is that you were, or are now, a cybrid.
And yeah, Mr.Person was supposed to die. I'd guess that either there isn't an enforcer or a Rebel doctor decided to mess with the overseer's plans.
Because we don't know how many cybrids he has left.Really? Can't count?
Guard Dakarian.There. Now let's hear it, ToonyMan!
Extension.
I'll be running a wide scan on this tonight or tomorrow morning. I also think that Mr.Person may need a prod.
Guard Dakarian.There. Now let's hear it, ToonyMan!
Extension.
I'll be running a wide scan on this tonight or tomorrow morning. I also think that Mr.Person may need a prod.
Why?
Wait a cotton picking second. Votecount?what are you doing here, anyway?
Sure. Why NOT! All this does is only prove three person now, instead of keeping dakarian confirmed.
Whatever.
Well, unvote. Webadict, my argument against you was based onWell, who's the scum now?Sure. Why NOT! All this does is only prove three person now, instead of keeping dakarian confirmed.
Whatever.
Which I had read as "Inspect Dakarian to keep him confirmed, rather than follow the plan from yesterday".
So now we've got Archangel confirmed human, Toonyman confirmed human, Webadict confirmed human, Dakarian confirmed not the original cybrid and not a threat for tonight.
Dakarian, why do you say the enforcer (I assume that's what you mean by exterminator) was converted, as opposed to a rebel doctor or an enforcer not existing in the game?
Toonyman, why do you keep pushing me as the cybrid with no evidence?
Thus the #1 most common solution, other than, say, AN being the enforcer, is that he's a cybrid.
Now Rysith, why ARE you focusing on someone you said is 'not a threat' AND one of the confirmed non-cybrids?
Well, who's the scum now?
I'll do what needs to be done to make sure the game isn't super dumb.Give us bombs!
Dakarian and Archangel would be obvious conversions as well as Webadict now. I find it really strange that ToonyMan wasn't converted, he seems like the most obvious conversion target, if only to shut down his ability.
Where the FUCK is Apostolic Nihilist?
I don't know why I'm alive. Not going to complain, either.
Give us bombs!I already did, and Meph wasted it trying to kill you! :P
Should've allowed him to kill someone else.QuoteGive us bombs!I already did, and Meph wasted it trying to kill you! :P
Okay, folks - special vote, right now.DO EET!
Meph has volunteered to return and take AN's place - he was never in rebel chat, he wasn't a cybrid, and he never had any communication outside of the thread, so we don't need to worry about him knowing anything you don't.
Obviously, ressurecting a dead player is a bit out of the ordinary, but it doesn't really look like we'll be getting a replacement for AN any time soon elsewise.
So everybody, vote yea or nay for Meph taking over the role.
Personally, I'm for it.
Thus the choice: do we get rid of the one that's not here on the grounds that if he's the main cybrid, his actions can still affect the game, or do we remove Rysith as being the most scummiest? Myself I always lean towards the latter.I don't get what you mean. Why are you even suggesting lynching someone who's about to be replaced as an option? You do have a good point about Rysith though - he's merely been pressing lurkers and discussing roles.
FIND RIGHT NOW THAT RYSITH WANTS TO KILL SOMEONE THAT ISN'T HEREUh... what is this, ToonyMan?
THIS MAY BE TRUE
BUT I SAY NAY TODAY
Also, Mr.Person's active lurking has been bugging me somewhat. He's been posting just enough to avoid a prod or any real attention, and I know he has a tendancy to use lurking as a tool for an easy scumwin (see end of BYOR2 in which he attempted to lurk to victory, unsuccessfully).
I still think Rysith is the Cybrid, and nothing he's done since my brother's death has convinced me otherwise!
The Overseer is told what Officers exist and gets reports of their actions. If there's no Enforcer then he would know. He could be lying but he won't be wrong.
The Officer MAY be rebelized, but even then they keep their role and, thus, might've done the kill anyway and that's IF his role could be converted (some roles can't and I'd make a big bet that it's the Officer roles).
Thus the #1 most common solution, other than, say, AN being the enforcer, is that he's a cybrid.
There's other ways it could happen, but when KISSed, it's the best assumption for now.
Now Rysith, why ARE you focusing on someone you said is 'not a threat' AND one of the confirmed non-cybrids?
Alright, first of all I apologize for any active lurking I have been doing in people's eyes.Some people are voting you because you're being scummy.
The last few weeks have been really rough for me, in terms of time. I work at a reasonably well-known Internet startup, I've had critical code in our last two releases (which are supposed to be two weeks apart to prevent exactly this situation, but the one that was supposed to happen two weeks ago got delayed to last week, hooray), and I haven't had nearly as much time for mafia as I thought I would. It's 9pm local here, and I just got back from work, and I'm going to have to be in before 9am tomorrow.
I've been working on the assumption that it would be fairly temporary and thus wasn't worth dropping the game over (especially given how difficult it seems to be to find replacements), but there was this release-delay thing and some complications with the release-in-progress that cut even further into my time. I been able to do thorough reads or analysis or really much of anything because of it. I've tried to stay as active as I could, but if I really am active-lurking and not helping, I'd be more than happy to accept a replacement if Glyphgryph can find one.
If he can't, I'll be continuing to have no time until Monday night (Friday if we're lucky and there aren't any issues with the push), and then I should be done with this batch of releases and I will be able to participate more fully. With that in mind, extension.
On the positive side, by the time I have time again code I wrote will be called every time one of the top-20 worldwide webpages loads. Every. Single. Time. Oh, and if any of you are or know of Software Engineers/CS people looking for a job, we're hiring like crazy.
Mother@)($_(#@ now I regret switching from CS to financial. I imagine that job requires at least having a CS degree and/or SOME experience in coding. :/
Btw, the 'active lurking' comment is more based on the posts you HAVE put down and less on how often you've been posting.
I plan to.Mother@)($_(#@ now I regret switching from CS to financial. I imagine that job requires at least having a CS degree and/or SOME experience in coding. :/
Btw, the 'active lurking' comment is more based on the posts you HAVE put down and less on how often you've been posting.
Yeah, it does require a CS degree or coding experience. I'm not sure if you've done any coding once you switched to finance, but if you've either got a graduate degree in CS or a few years doing coding with a finance degree (particularly in Java), I'd be happy to take a look at your resume.
And my point was that other demands on my time have meant that I haven't had time to do a lot of analysis on the thread, hence the active-lurk quality of my posts.
And webadict, if you really do feel I'm scum, go ahead and lynch me. Mafia isn't that high on my priority list right now.
:/
This is bad.
Hmmm...unvote. I need to think about this more. If Rysith can't be the main cybrid that at least narrows down our options.
It also can't be Dakarian, Webadict, Archangel, or ToonyMan.
That just leaves Leafsnail, Vector, and Mr.Person as options (for me, at least).
No time to look them over in detail tonight, but I'll try to get to it tomorrow morning.
MOD: Do you have an approximate end time for tomorrow?
5. (REPLACE REQUESTED) Apostolistic Nihilist
Set it for when you are off work. If Friday as a whole is just too horrible, the host is fully allowed to extend just for their own sake.
As far as what we can do, there's always following through on Mr.Person, who was meant to die anyway.
As such Unvote
Vote Mr.Person
Inspect Rysith. I'm now wondering if the Overseer has been converted and deliberately misled us about him.Rysith is dead.
Otherwise, I'm suspicious of Mr.Person a bit more then Vector. But I need to go back and read their posts again.
Inspect Rysith. I'm now wondering if the Overseer has been converted and deliberately misled us about him.Rysith is dead.
Otherwise, I'm suspicious of Mr.Person a bit more then Vector. But I need to go back and read their posts again.
If you want to reconfirm me, go ahead, but I'd like to see The Overseer or Mr.Person.
Where do you get that he's dead? I don't see any post from Gryph about what happened last night and he's not dead in the OP.... Didn't we lynch him yesterday?
You know what, fuck it. DakarianOh... kay...
I'm not sure...a bandwagon, obviously. But which side is doing the bandwagon??Stop being a moron. MrPerson is trying to stall for time.
Extension.^SCUM
What in the hell is going on here?
I'm not sure...a bandwagon, obviously. But which side is doing the bandwagon??Stop being a moron. MrPerson is trying to stall for time.
Vector
Mr. Person
Rysith
Mephansteras #2
Dakarian
ToonyMan
Archangel
Webadict
Webadict and Dakarian ARE SCUM.Right, because this makes sense. You scanned me yesterday and dakarian the day before. That means dakarian would've had to been converted yesterday, and me the next.
Vote Webadict.
EXTENSION.
Oh, and 50 million extensions10 trillion shortenings.
1. is the only grounds the fact that we agreed on getting someone who wasn't even supposed to have lived past day 1 and who has been sidelining through most of this game lynched?
2. Though the scans don't prove that we aren't the converts, we KNOW that none of us are the head cybrid and that head MIGHT have one more convert to work with (I can fully see 2 or 3 possible convert attempts, especially if one end up performing a kill). We've limited who that head is down to a very small few.
Thus, perhaps we can go about chopping that head off before we start trying to find the others.
Hahaha... Let's see, Rysith... Vector... Mr.Person...
Ah. The Overseer.
That makes 4. Doesn't it?
:D
Seems like we'll need a secret weapon, won't we?
e) There are five people known not to be the head: You, Webadict, Toonyman, Archangel, and Meph. While I'm honored that you don't think that I could be the head, it does put somewhat of a flaw in your implied "50% chance we hit the head" argument.
Dakarian, I'm fairly certain you're a cybrid convert, and at this point I'd rather take any cybrid down than chopping off more human heads trying to find the now-less-important original cybrid.
Oh, and I'll no longer need a replacement here, and extension.
I love how Archangel's snatching defeat from the claws of victory.... Actually, it works!
I was converted last night and became a Metagen. Vector, Mr.Person and Rysith are the Cybrids. I would appreciate it if I received protection tonight.I'm a Healthy Doctor. I got ya for the entire game!
I'll shorten.Plus, you've already extended, as opposed to me, who WAS extending and now is shortening.
I suppose you're right on that one. I just don't think Archangel understands what's going on here. Sadly, I also don't think extra time is going to change matters, either.I suppose not. Good run.
Wonder if I can get an extension from here?If you have no real point, why are you allowed to make an extension?
I'm inclined to believe that the Overseer is converted at this point.What does he DO?!?
I fart in your general direction!I'm inclined to believe that the Overseer is converted at this point.What does he DO?!?
I'm inclined to believe that the Overseer is converted at this point.
Not sure what you're getting at there, Vector. I was saying that I think the Overseer is one of the Cybrids now.
I was converted last night and became a Metagen. Vector, Mr.Person and Rysith are the Cybrids. I would appreciate it if I received protection tonight.
I fart in your general direction!I'm inclined to believe that the Overseer is converted at this point.What does he DO?!?
Tallying Votes... Reticulating Splines...
It was mylo, right?... Well, yeah. That part is obvious. It's just going to start sucking from here on out.
Well no worries, I'm quite certain Mr.Person is scum.
Huh?... Well, I guess it's not too bad from here.
Do you feel like me when I was in BYOR mafia? The one where I was obvscum?
Because I think you are scum.
Boring person.
This is your chance to shine! You are free to be as blatantly scummy as possible! Use this, use this when you have it!
Vote Rysith.
Why are you scum Vector??!?1
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Try not to be scum next game, OK?
Well, that settles it at least.
Rysith
Moron does not equal scum.
Mr.Person, I know you found out exactly what he could do a while ago - did you actually end up sharing that with anybody, even your scumbuddies?
Mr.Person, I know you found out exactly what he could do a while ago - did you actually end up sharing that with anybody, even your scumbuddies?
Yeah. On here (http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/9p8e4YkeiMxk). I'm assuming since the game is over, it's ok to post this.
I'd just like to say, thank you all for playing - I know I made several mistakes over the course of this, and it may have been far more bastardy than intended, but I think it was fun and entertaining and hopefully you all had fun as well. Now is very much the time for questions and constructive criticism!WHAT?!?
And Webadict, ToonyMan and Dakarian removed themselves from the game, and Vector NKed you, resulting in a Cybrid victory. Thats what. :P Sorry.
Speaking of which, Archangel: What were you thinking, anyway?I was thinking, "I'd much rather have a town win than the scum come out on top." I also intended to say that Rysith was the reprogrammer, but I forgot. If I hadn't, I could have won.
Ok.. wait.. why did webadict die!?This whole game made no sense. Meph hitting Archangel instead of me. dakarian getting a plane. How did I get killed TWICE?
The only blasted reason why I even left was because the cybrids had no nightkill, so there would be 2 town and 1 cybrid.
Who killed Webadict?
Ok.. wait.. why did webadict die!?
The only blasted reason why I even left was because the cybrids had no nightkill, so there would be 2 town and 1 cybrid.
Who killed Webadict?
Meph, the only unknown things that happened this game were due to dakarians ability (and ToonyMans requirement for it) that I know of. Where there other things you were thinking about?
Was Archangel even aware the cult got a kill after they ran out of converts? Weird.Again, I'd like to repeat:
Was Archangel even aware the cult got a kill after they ran out of converts? Weird.
...Was Archangel even aware the cult got a kill after they ran out of converts? Weird.
Archangel got access to our chat, I'm assuming.
Yeah okay I admit there was a lot of unknowns. If it weren't for the misunderstandings, I think the little hidden Dakarian surprise would have been a lot more acceptable - but combined with everything else, it was definitely too much.Don't hide things that shouldn't be hidden.
So, does anyone want the game to be run again at some point?
And if so, what changes would you reccomend?
If the Cybrids had obtained a hunter too, there wouldn't've really been much chance for the town.They did.
Don't give cults mafiakills unless there's a VERY good reason.The good reason is that after the conversions they AREN'T a cult anymore, and didn't have a kill while they were. They are just a scum-team at that point. Without a mafiakill they wouldn't have a chance - remember that they are guaranteed one possible traitor with full access to chat and no ability and have a lot of town power to fight.
Yeah okay I admit there was a lot of unknowns. If it weren't for the misunderstandings, I think the little hidden Dakarian surprise would have been a lot more acceptable - but combined with everything else, it was definitely too much.
So, does anyone want the game to be run again at some point?
And if so, what changes would you reccomend?
Hell, having a cybrid who can gain access to the Overseer's announcment system would be a great role in and of itself.There is a cybrid like that, actually. The Cybrid Dissenter. So thats six right now.
one that can suicide and make another player a cybridI was considering this in the original planning thread, but it seemed a bit overpowered. I could see some games being interesting with this though, but tough to balance.
So if scum don't have a nightkill, how can they win if it gets down to one scum? Even if circumstances put them so they get everyone else possible lynched and play superbly, theres still a stalemate at the end.
So if scum don't have a nightkill, how can they win if it gets down to one scum? Even if circumstances put them so they get everyone else possible lynched and play superbly, theres still a stalemate at the end.They win when they can't be killed?
Yeah, I'll probably limit the redactors randomize to a limited set per game. Should I let him know what the possibilities are?
And what type of cybrid should the suicidal convert become?
Webadict: I NK'd you. Then I NK'd you again.THEN WHO NK'D ARCHANGEL?!?
Webadict: I NK'd you. Then I NK'd you again.THEN WHO NK'D ARCHANGEL?!?
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WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I have, successfully, given up on understanding this game.
mi brane r brokd.
Webadict: I NK'd you. Then I NK'd you again.THEN WHO NK'D ARCHANGEL?!?
THEN WHO NK'D ARCHANGEL?!?
When Metagen are reprogrammed by a reprogrammer, their traitor tendencies are discovered and the Metagen is eliminated. Archangel admitted to being a Metagen, so Rysith repogrammed him to kill him.
Yes, you're an idiot Archangel.I agree, but not for the reason you mean. I'm still mentally kicking myself a bit for not trying to get the reprogrammer lynched. If I'd done that, I've had a good shot at winning.
I dunno - the thing about the public inspections isn't how good they are, its the fact that once the inspector is converted, everyone knows he's not the technician anymore.
Perhaps it would be nice to leave the inspect, but make a converted technician able to "fakeclaim" his test results by PMing me the desired result?
Yes, you're an idiot Archangel.I agree, but not for the reason you mean. I'm still mentally kicking myself a bit for not trying to get the reprogrammer lynched. If I'd done that, I've had a good shot at winning.
Yes, cybrids can PM me the results they wish to be announced for the test, or passed along to the overseer.
So, should this falsifying of reports count as an actual night action, perhaps? Or would that be dumb?