Speaking objectively, Org, Vektor said many times that trying that would be a bad idea.:I
Err, org isn't on the player list? Is he playing?What?
Nice flavour text though. Just beating my old favorite pokebox flavour by Ched (so sad but so true).
HFS, what would be your favorite role this game?
Players:No Org on that list.
1. HFS
2. quinnr
3. spitfire684
4. siquo
5. SirBayer
6. Dependent
7. Halmie
8. JaaSwb
9. Rolan7
Talking about a game. I do not know why I said bonus.
Actually... why don't you ask Eduren if you can have his spot?
((Epic flavor is epic.))
JaaSwb is happy. He admired a fine flavour recently. He admired own fine role PM recently.
Nice flavour text though. Just beating my old favorite pokebox flavour by GlyphGryph (so sad but so true).
(EPIC-est flavor text ever seen by me.)
Indeed.
Rolan, what was your flavor role?
Weirdly, Eduren isn't on that list either.
Thanks for correcting me. :-[Nice flavour text though. Just beating my old favorite pokebox flavour by GlyphGryph (so sad but so true).
"Aye, but what manner of meat?" Pandarsenic demands, annoyed. He seems unwilling to continue his tale until he gets an answer.
JaaSwb is happy. He admired a fine flavour recently. He admired own fine role PM recently.
So, SirBayer, what's s bad about wanting to get the discussion started?
I am first to post because the thread was open when I was looking at it.
But really Pandar is first.
One, you aren't really answering any questions.JaaSwb is happy. He admired a fine flavour recently. He admired own fine role PM recently.
So, SirBayer, what's s bad about wanting to get the discussion started?
Everything forever.I am first to post because the thread was open when I was looking at it.
But really Pandar is first.
But Pandar isn't playing, now is he?
Unvote Rolan.
Spitfire has yet to say a word. Lynch all Lurkers.
Next up is HFS.
meh to the activity null tell. While lurking can be good at times for scum, being active does more than that. What happens when we begin lynching lurkers?
No.Unvote Rolan.
Spitfire has yet to say a word. Lynch all Lurkers.
Next up is HFS.
meh to the activity null tell. While lurking can be good at times for scum, being active does more than that. What happens when we begin lynching lurkers?
Answer: people stop lurking, and that helps town.
But Org, I'm a little confused. Do you consider lurking a scum tell or not?
Hopefully we'll see some more activity tomorrow.
No.
"I rather like cats," Pandarsenic commented, his gaze darkening slightly. "They know how much respect humans deserve. Of course, they're too dependent on humans to be ideal, but they're not bad. As far as animals go."
Quickrequest to mod: There's no stated deadline at the moment but if it's not already set as such I'd like to reuqest the deadline be placed to Tuesday That'll allow everyone to show up on Monday if they weren't around for the weekend.
But really? Four lurkers?
And I am not lurking. Yay.
Meh, I guess you are right.But really? Four lurkers?
And I am not lurking. Yay.
Is it surprising? It's a long weekend which includes Valentine's Day.
Valentine's day, carnaval, and chinese new year. And the pretense of a social life combined with illness. Yet, I'm here. And I see Awesome Flavour!Siquo, you are very lurky.
quinnr, where are you, and why aren't you voting? What is your flavour role?
Org, you've been extremely active so far... Overdoing the pretense a bit?
SirBayer, why do you duck the question?It's called exerting pressure. If they come back they will be questioned if they don't they will be replaced.
Halmie, why aren't you voting anyone?
I wouldn't support lynching the lurkers just yet - if they consistently try to stay in the background, that's a different story though.
Err, org isn't on the player list? Is he playing?
Nice flavour text though. Just beating my old favorite pokebox flavour by [edited]GlyphGryph(sorry)[/edited] (so sad but so true).
HFS, what would be your favorite role this game?
Org, you've been extremely active so far... Overdoing the pretense a bit?Siquo are you trying to scare people into lurking? We already have an epidemic. Be happy that Org is posting.
HFS, what would be your favorite role this game?
I wasn't online the whole time. If I was, I didn't notice this topic *facepalm*Why?HFS, what would be your favorite role this game?
Hmmm...I'm not sure, to be honest. This is, after all, my first game.
I'd probably have to say Cop.
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So, for now, I'm just gonna RV JaaSwb.
So, for now, I'm just gonna RV JaaSwb.
So, for now, I'm just gonna RV JaaSwb.
The purpose of a random vote is to get someone to react, so you can read them. A vote with no question or accusation attached doesn't really do much :)
So, for now, I'm just gonna RV JaaSwb.
The purpose of a random vote is to get someone to react, so you can read them. A vote with no question or accusation attached doesn't really do much :)
So, for now, I'm just gonna RV JaaSwb.
The purpose of a random vote is to get someone to react, so you can read them. A vote with no question or accusation attached doesn't really do much :)
BIG hint to HFS:
That reply right that's a REACTION. ;)
unvote, SpitfireAnd if you look to your right, you will see a blatantly obvious scum.
Vote HFS
For being scum
For being scum
Buhm buhm buhmAs the Prince of Denmark, I have to be suspicous of this accusation.
Okay, Meh. Not what I wanted.
Unvote HFS
I was looking for a reaction.
If he started freaking out, he would probably be scum. Really I thought it would be obvious in what I was doing.
Although he didn't say he wasn't scum...
Sorry for not posting, didn't know the game had started and only checked my e-mail recently.Freaking out about a vote are you scum?
I hardly know anyone here, and I am still new to this game so... I dunno at the moment, just finding it hard to say anything at the moment.
Org you seem to be voting quite randomly, you voted me for lurking when we had about 4 lurkers, now voting HFS (unless of course this is a town tactic of random voting which I havent not seen much of). Maybe explain your choice?
Was what I said a double negetive? Wasn't ment to be, Staying up late at almost 3am, not with it. I still have alot to learn and I dunno if random voting is common or not but if its town (which it seems because everyones doing it) im in favour for it."if it makes me look like town I'll do it!"
votes are needed.I mean for pressure.
Hmm at the moment I am voting for Org, it seems that he is trying his best to dodge questions (But, he did answer them). What I would like to know is why he wanted to wait for HFS, maybe he was looking for a reaction but it doesn't mean we are going to have to wait all day for it.Yes
SirBayer, why do you duck the question?
Bayer, why are you voting me still for a reason bewildering?
Bayer, why are you voting me still for a reason bewildering?
First, because it's RVS.
Second, because I was away.
And third, because you are never this active as town. You are not town. You are scum.
Everyone, Org is scum.
IF I HAD DONE THAT, HE COULD HAVE JUST BEEN LIKE HE WAS AND NOT FREAK OUT.
OBVIOUSLY
WHat does IC have to say?
Votecount
Org [2] - SirBayer, spitfire684
SirBayer [1] - JaaSwb
HFS [2] - Halmie, Rolan7
quinnr [1] - Siquo
JaaSwb [1] - HFS
spitfire684 [1] - Halmie
Not voting: Org
Everyone, stop lurking. Really. Scummy.I think I figured out position: he supports voting lurkers to get them active, but doesn't consider lurking a scum tell. He may have a point, but it's the sort of point I would make to defend a lurking scumbuddy.
But, more than likely, scum are active.
Maybe I should clarify why claiming a role is a bad idea this early. I don't much doubt that Quinnr is the Prince of Denmark. He's a bit less suspicious because he claimed (though for all I know the Prince off Denmark could be scum in this setting). However, if he's claiming to be a vanilla townie, he's just made it a little more likely that scum will nightkill a power role instead.He is obviously claiming Hamlet.
So, your claim helped you personally, in the short term, but is bad for town. If we all claimed, scum would kill off our power roles fast.
He made no claim of Vanilla-ness, though. Or townieness that I can recall. *Shrugs* A purely flavor-claim is meaningless, I'm sure, as per Vektor's design.
i am not scum, but Rolan probably is.
Oh, I wont jump on the bandwagon....fuck that, jump!
Rolan
I always Omgus.He made no claim of Vanilla-ness, though. Or townieness that I can recall. *Shrugs* A purely flavor-claim is meaningless, I'm sure, as per Vektor's design.
I read it as him claiming vanilla-ness, but I see you're right. Good job on Vector's part. All the flavor has been excellent.
Oh hey, 3 replies since I started typing... wait what?i am not scum, but Rolan probably is.
Oh, I wont jump on the bandwagon....fuck that, jump!Rolan
Dude! I totally provided my own reason, as much or more reason than anyone else did. Not that I *have* to provide a new reason if I agree with previous arguments, but I did.
This OMGUS... Org, man, I hope you feel better soon. I expected more from you.
Screw it, Org is acting suspicious as hell. Asking me my role? Org is not a beginner, and I essentially am, so he might have thought that would work... and claiming is *definitely* bad for town this early, even flavor roles, you shouldn't have done so Quinnr FYI.
Org, you're still doing the random voting.HOW AM I RVing? TELL ME, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE I AM OMGUSING BECAUSE ROLAN IS SCUM TO ME.
I do find you scummy, and I will vote you. If you don't want to come out, you should come up with some reason for your votes, not just a OMGUS! vote.
I place any additional votes I have on Org. The prince of Denmark ought to have something special, shouldn't he?
Yo, I'm back.This doesnt do it for me.
Org, even *I* partially know your meta.
I've been watching the mafia forum long before I joined this game...my first game.
Voting without reason? Need I say more.
Unvote (JaaSwb)
Org
Halmie's vote is on spitfire, not HFS.
*reads the "print" page, admires flavor*
He made no claim of Vanilla-ness, though. Or townieness that I can recall. *Shrugs* A purely flavor-claim is meaningless, I'm sure, as per Vektor's design.
TOWN IS CONFUSING. Do you play with Toony as town? He makes me want to punch babies sometimes.
I place any additional votes I have on Org. The prince of Denmark ought to have something special, shouldn't he?
Hmmm, what's wrong with revealing flavor roles? I hardly ever play with flavor, and this is awesome.
Awesome flavor...keep writing!
ORG'S POEM
IC, need help, so help.
IC is supposed to help teh newbehs
Halmie's vote is on spitfire, not HFS.
*reads the "print" page, admires flavor*
Halmie did not unvote; as such, his vote was not changed.
Buhm buhm buhmAs the Prince of Denmark, I have to be suspicous of this accusation.
Okay, Meh. Not what I wanted.
Unvote HFS
Why do ye do this vote, and then ye simply add this when you are called on it:QuoteI was looking for a reaction.
If he started freaking out, he would probably be scum. Really I thought it would be obvious in what I was doing.
Although he didn't say he wasn't scum...
Why not tell us this in the first place?
Vote Org for now.
Hmm at the moment I am voting for Org, it seems that he is trying his best to dodge questions (But, he did answer them). What I would like to know is why he wanted to wait for HFS, maybe he was looking for a reaction but it doesn't mean we are going to have to wait all day for it.This is contradicotry to itself.
Number two makes little sense.SirBayer, why do you duck the question?
I answered it, didn't I?Bayer, why are you voting me still for a reason bewildering?
First, because it's RVS.
Second, because I was away.
And third, because you are never this active as town. You are not town. You are scum.
Everyone, Org is scum.
I am an odd player, I think anyone who has played with me can attest to this.Votecount
Org [2] - SirBayer, spitfire684
SirBayer [1] - JaaSwb
HFS [2] - Halmie, Rolan7
quinnr [1] - Siquo
JaaSwb [1] - HFS
spitfire684 [1] - Halmie
Not voting: Org
Halmie's vote is on spitfire, not HFS.
Org is acting strange, I can't tell what's up with him. My only meta knowledge of him is from him IC'ing me in BM8, and he was odd there too. So, I'm suspicious but not enough to bandwagon so early.
Still, more than I have on HFS. Unvote HFS
Now that everyone has finally posted *something*, which was the purpose of my votes, we come to the hard part. On this first day we have very little to go on. It'll have to do.
*reads the "print" page, admires flavor*
...
Screw it, Org is acting suspicious as hell. Asking me my role? Org is not a beginner, and I essentially am, so he might have thought that would work... and claiming is *definitely* bad for town this early, even flavor roles, you shouldn't have done so Quinnr FYI.
His position on lurkers is confusing, and town should not be confusing people:Everyone, stop lurking. Really. Scummy.I think I figured out position: he supports voting lurkers to get them active, but doesn't consider lurking a scum tell. He may have a point, but it's the sort of point I would make to defend a lurking scumbuddy.
But, more than likely, scum are active.
In summary: I'm not at all convinced Org is scum, but at this point, I don't have to be. He's suspicious
Vote Org
rolan posts, but FAILS to talk about the stuff going on.Halmie's vote is on spitfire, not HFS.
*reads the "print" page, admires flavor*
Halmie did not unvote; as such, his vote was not changed.
He did "unvote" in red, do we have to say "unvote HFS"?
Halmie's vote is on spitfire, not HFS.
*reads the "print" page, admires flavor*
Halmie did not unvote; as such, his vote was not changed.
He did "unvote" in red, do we have to say "unvote HFS"?
Buhm buhm buhmThe excuse that is was for pressure didn't come until after more accusations were put on you.
Okay, Meh. Not what I wanted.
Unvote HFS
i am not scum, but Rolan probably is.
Oh, I wont jump on the bandwagon....fuck that, jump!
rolan posts, but FAILS to talk about the stuff going on.Halmie's vote is on spitfire, not HFS.
*reads the "print" page, admires flavor*
Halmie did not unvote; as such, his vote was not changed.
He did "unvote" in red, do we have to say "unvote HFS"?
I am an odd player, I think anyone who has played with me can attest to this.
What do you have on me, or did you mean meta? Look up for what I think about that.
I ASKED FOR YOUR FLAVOR ROLE. FAIL.
You are not. You have played in more than a few.
Flavor doesnt really matter, lying is what happens. I doubt Quinnr.
Indeed, that is what i think about lurking.
"he supports voting lurkers to get them active, but doesn't consider lurking a scum tell. He may have a point, but it's the sort of point I would make to defend a lurking scumbuddy."Lurking benefits only scum. The unfortunate fact that townies may also lurk, doesn't mean it isn't a scum tell.
You have no reasons really.
At all. I CANT SEE ANY OTHER YOU SAYING I AM SUSPICIOUS.
This is my third mafia, and the I've ever seen where the flavor roles didn't reveal the functional roles. Plus, they kinda sorta do maybe, see Vector's post.
How am I confusing?
TOWN IS CONFUSING. Do you play with Toony as town? He makes me want to punch babies sometimes.
So, to sum it up for the newbie townies that are morons, all who are voting for me are going by Sirbayer. Sirbayer is not the greatest player. I am not wither, but I know that I am better than some of you. Such as this: I usually do not jump on lynches. Or sometimes I dont care enough not to. You see, its scummy. I try not to do scummy things, even as scum, as looking like scum is not good, however, by bandwagoning, all of you are scummy. Especially Sir Bayer, for starting it. bad town/scum is bad.Sorry, but when you dig your own grave, THEN PROCEED TO MAKE IT 6ft DEEPER, I can't really do much. Lurking is anti-town. And they do have reasons, even if they aren't clear to you (I can see where they're coming from). So do something to make them BELIEVE you're town-GET OUT THERE AND LYNCH SOME SCUM.
Everyone unvote. You see, all of you have no reasons, will not unvote, and will most likely lurk UNTIL I AM LYNCHED. Especially Sir Bayer, Spitfire, and everyone who is still lurking.
IC, need help, so help.
What is meta usage, and how did/would you apply it to Org, ExKirby?Org was one of the first ones I suspected and attacked, and his status in my book has still not improved. However, I'm not convinced yet.
Unvote
Rolan7, you only appear when challenged, and then disappear in the background again... We need to be hunting, not lurking. What's your 'excuse'?
Org, you ARE being suspicious. Still.
Speaking of things bad for town, siquo, stop discussing your post with HFS and post something.You only started posting after this. Org, too, has constantly pointed out your lurkiness.
Nolynches on Day1 are BAAAAAD.
Nolynches on Day1 are BAAAAAD.
Yeah I thought so too but Dak and/or Vector seemed so eager for it that I'd try it. I'm truly sorry I don't have time to find a quote right now, maybe I'm mistaken. I'll certainly be back before 9 tonight to consider voting.
Org, I was mainly voting you because you didn't just tell us that at first, you simply saidQuinnr. I headdesked hard.QuoteBuhm buhm buhmThe excuse that is was for pressure didn't come until after more accusations were put on you.
Okay, Meh. Not what I wanted.
Unvote HFS
Also to note:
you also seemed very happy to be jumping on a bandwagon:Quotei am not scum, but Rolan probably is.
Oh, I wont jump on the bandwagon....fuck that, jump!
It says 9 in the OP.
Day 1 began 8:00 on February the 13th and is scheduled to end at 9:00 on February the 17th.
Oh yah, and watch for those who seem to just be content that someone is dying rather than thinking you are scum. Townies will want you dead because they think you are scum. Scum will want ..well.. someone dead, and you'll do.But a lynch is the best thing to do today. I shouldn't listen to IC's so much.
Org, that's enough.Sir Bayer...is the worst town player ever!
There is too much against you to even find the appropriate gems to bring up, so let's sum up the accusations against you that I've spotted.
#1 (and the absolute worst): OMGUS. This is a big, big scum tell, even for Org. And you've done it consistently. And admitted to it. And tried to defend it. Speaking of white:FUCK NO. I HAVE REASONS WHY I OMGUS, THEREFORE I CAN OMGUS. I AM NO LONGER OMGUSing.
#2: Defensiveness. All over the place! You say you're attacking but you're not. You're either OMGUSing or defending your own bloody actions. Heavens.I HAVE TOO BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR FUCKING IMBECILES ARE TOO NARROW MINDED TO SEE WHAT I HAVE SAID.
#3: Meta, hard meta. Overactivity. We have no reason to believe that overactivity is scumtell directly. However, as town, Org is never active. If he is not town, he must be scum. Ergo, we dispose of him.FUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK THIS SHIT. WD 3. BYOR 3. META IS SHIT.
#4: Gut feeling/meta. Heavens, Org, this doesn't even sort of sound like you. You don't do this! You just don't.I HAVE A C RANK. YEAH LETS LURK MORE SO I CANT PLAY AT ALL>
Conclusion: My vote stays, and I would highly encourage everyone here to join me.
Also, if I am scum, why have I not begun to Wifom town?
Nice, I'm guilty of answering Org, and not answering siquo. That's fair?I needed to get your attention.
Your vote's already on me Siquo, no need to vote a second time.
Your accusation is absurd.I only saw the entire thread after that. Right now my RL schedule allows me about two updates per day, and keep in mind we might be in different timezones.Speaking of things bad for town, siquo, stop discussing your post with HFS and post something.You only started posting after this. Org, too, has constantly pointed out your lurkiness.
Haha, you even accused Org of being too active! How do you reconcile that with calling me lurky now?Easy, everything out of the ordinary is... strange enough to investigate. Too much and too little are weird. Too average is weird, too, before you get any ideas.
I only see one good reason you would continue to press such an absurd attack.I see a different one, and you know it.
Unvote
I support a nolynch this round.
Org, that's enough.Sir Bayer...is the worst town player ever!
There is too much against you to even find the appropriate gems to bring up, so let's sum up the accusations against you that I've spotted.
#1 (and the absolute worst): OMGUS. This is a big, big scum tell, even for Org. And you've done it consistently. And admitted to it. And tried to defend it. Speaking of white:FUCK NO. I HAVE REASONS WHY I OMGUS, THEREFORE I CAN OMGUS. I AM NO LONGER OMGUSing.
#2: Defensiveness. All over the place! You say you're attacking but you're not. You're either OMGUSing or defending your own bloody actions. Heavens.I HAVE TOO BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR FUCKING IMBECILES ARE TOO NARROW MINDED TO SEE WHAT I HAVE SAID.
#3: Meta, hard meta. Overactivity. We have no reason to believe that overactivity is scumtell directly. However, as town, Org is never active. If he is not town, he must be scum. Ergo, we dispose of him.FUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK THIS SHIT. WD 3. BYOR 3. META IS SHIT.
#4: Gut feeling/meta. Heavens, Org, this doesn't even sort of sound like you. You don't do this! You just don't.I HAVE A C RANK. YEAH LETS LURK MORE SO I CANT PLAY AT ALL>
Conclusion: My vote stays, and I would highly encourage everyone here to join me.
And he is probably scum!
Now I am really mad. REALLY MAD.
As to the irony:I just realised this is WIFOM, too, and would like to point out that I was a townie in BM7, as well.
Wifom is a major scumtell, so major and blatantly obvious even that I distrust the ones who are NOT spreading it, since they are apparently very careful to hide it. I found that it's very hard to post anything without any kind of WIFOM, and was almost lynched for it multiple times in BM7.
As to the irony:I just realised this is WIFOM, too, and would like to point out that I was a townie in BM7, as well.
Wifom is a major scumtell, so major and blatantly obvious even that I distrust the ones who are NOT spreading it, since they are apparently very careful to hide it. I found that it's very hard to post anything without any kind of WIFOM, and was almost lynched for it multiple times in BM7.
Proving my own point, ironic.
Buhm buhm buhmAs the Prince of Denmark, I have to be suspicous of this accusation.
Okay, Meh. Not what I wanted.
Unvote HFS
Why do ye do this vote, and then ye simply add this when you are called on it:QuoteI was looking for a reaction.
If he started freaking out, he would probably be scum. Really I thought it would be obvious in what I was doing.
Although he didn't say he wasn't scum...
Why not tell us this in the first place?
Vote Org for now.
Okay, so, I answered your question.
That si why you voted me.
If you dont rememberm, I answered by saying this:
If I say, Oh,looking for reaction vote person.
They can respond nice and all, and will know Im looking for a screw up
If I dont say that, who knows what happens?
If you were an assassin trying to kill someone, do you beforehand go, you dude, I will kill you?Hmm at the moment I am voting for Org, it seems that he is trying his best to dodge questions (But, he did answer them). What I would like to know is why he wanted to wait for HFS, maybe he was looking for a reaction but it doesn't mean we are going to have to wait all day for it.This is contradicotry to itself.
He is dodging questions, but answering them?
Please read above why I voted HFS with no reason.
Again.
THis was no reason to vote! You answer your own question, and yet still vote me!Number two makes little sense.SirBayer, why do you duck the question?
I answered it, didn't I?Bayer, why are you voting me still for a reason bewildering?
First, because it's RVS.
Second, because I was away.
And third, because you are never this active as town. You are not town. You are scum.
Everyone, Org is scum.
Three, I have answered. on a break. nothing to do.
It happens. SOmetimes I am not active as scum. Its called RL.
Meta is not always right, and trying to use it will fail utterly. See? Think back to when I started getting prodded. Was I so lurky? NO. I didnt want to have a worse rank. Wizard Duel 3 for reference, kinda BYor(webby 3).
Second, THIS IS BANDWAGONING. Everyone, org is scum? because of pitiful reasons of being active?I am an odd player, I think anyone who has played with me can attest to this.Votecount
Org [2] - SirBayer, spitfire684
SirBayer [1] - JaaSwb
HFS [2] - Halmie, Rolan7
quinnr [1] - Siquo
JaaSwb [1] - HFS
spitfire684 [1] - Halmie
Not voting: Org
Halmie's vote is on spitfire, not HFS.
Org is acting strange, I can't tell what's up with him. My only meta knowledge of him is from him IC'ing me in BM8, and he was odd there too. So, I'm suspicious but not enough to bandwagon so early.
Still, more than I have on HFS. Unvote HFS
Now that everyone has finally posted *something*, which was the purpose of my votes, we come to the hard part. On this first day we have very little to go on. It'll have to do.
*reads the "print" page, admires flavor*
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Screw it, Org is acting suspicious as hell. Asking me my role? Org is not a beginner, and I essentially am, so he might have thought that would work... and claiming is *definitely* bad for town this early, even flavor roles, you shouldn't have done so Quinnr FYI.
His position on lurkers is confusing, and town should not be confusing people:Everyone, stop lurking. Really. Scummy.I think I figured out position: he supports voting lurkers to get them active, but doesn't consider lurking a scum tell. He may have a point, but it's the sort of point I would make to defend a lurking scumbuddy.
But, more than likely, scum are active.
In summary: I'm not at all convinced Org is scum, but at this point, I don't have to be. He's suspicious
Vote Org
What do you have on me, or did you mean meta? Look up for what I think about that.
I ASKED FOR YOUR FLAVOR ROLE. FAIL.
You are not. You have played in more than a few.
Flavor doesnt really matter, lying is what happens. I doubt Quinnr.
Indeed, that is what i think about lurking.
You have no reasons really.
At all. I CANT SEE ANY OTHER YOU SAYING I AM SUSPICIOUS.
I was a townie in other games.
Siquo said something. LIEK OH I WAS TOWNIE BM 7.I was a townie in other games.
This makes a difference.... why?
I can't understand that post, the quotes are broken, but I think that I see the primary points - you say that my second point makes no sense, my third is annoyingly correct.
Second: I can't change my vote if I'm not in the thread.
Third: This is just too weird to pass off, Org.
Finally: Play to win.
Siquo said something. LIEK OH I WAS TOWNIE BM 7.I was a townie in other games.
This makes a difference.... why?
I can't understand that post, the quotes are broken, but I think that I see the primary points - you say that my second point makes no sense, my third is annoyingly correct.
Second: I can't change my vote if I'm not in the thread.
Third: This is just too weird to pass off, Org.
Finally: Play to win.
Quinnr. Oh god. I have reasons. i have said them. You are dumb. Town is dumb. IF YOU READ HOW ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG, UNVOTE. NOW.
ALL OF YOU ARE BANDWAGONING.I HAVE CRUSHED YOUR REASONING.
YOUR VOTE MADE NO FUCKING SENSE.
I mean everyone else.Siquo said something. LIEK OH I WAS TOWNIE BM 7.I was a townie in other games.
This makes a difference.... why?
I can't understand that post, the quotes are broken, but I think that I see the primary points - you say that my second point makes no sense, my third is annoyingly correct.
Second: I can't change my vote if I'm not in the thread.
Third: This is just too weird to pass off, Org.
Finally: Play to win.
Quinnr. Oh god. I have reasons. i have said them. You are dumb. Town is dumb. IF YOU READ HOW ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG, UNVOTE. NOW.
ALL OF YOU ARE BANDWAGONING.I HAVE CRUSHED YOUR REASONING.
YOUR VOTE MADE NO FUCKING SENSE.
I thought you were town? So you are calling yourself dumb? ;D
Buhm buhm buhmAs the Prince of Denmark, I have to be suspicous of this accusation.
Okay, Meh. Not what I wanted.
Unvote HFS
Why do ye do this vote, and then ye simply add this when you are called on it:QuoteI was looking for a reaction.
If he started freaking out, he would probably be scum. Really I thought it would be obvious in what I was doing.
Although he didn't say he wasn't scum...
Why not tell us this in the first place?
Vote Org for now.
Okay, so, I answered your question.
That si why you voted me.
If you dont rememberm, I answered by saying this:
If I say, Oh,looking for reaction vote person.
They can respond nice and all, and will know Im looking for a screw up
If I dont say that, who knows what happens?
If you were an assassin trying to kill someone, do you beforehand go, you dude, I will kill you?
READ THIS QUINNR.
Second:Okay, I didnt understand at first.I was a townie in other games.
This makes a difference.... why?
I can't understand that post, the quotes are broken, but I think that I see the primary points - you say that my second point makes no sense, my third is annoyingly correct.
Second: I can't change my vote if I'm not in the thread.
Third: This is just too weird to pass off, Org.
Finally: Play to win.
I did already, you ended with a useless post with an unvote. Then in a later post said it was for pressure.YOU. YOU.
Fight! Fight! Fight!
This is awesome.
Watching.
So Rolan, too scum to come out and answer?
You know, flipping the fuck out at everyone voting for you is a valid tactics for someone about to die. As scum it spreads WIFOM and as town it freaks the shit out of scum who vote for you....Great. Now everyone is going to think Im scum even more.
To all: I know, I know, the "experienced players" are saying that's a bad thing. But they have not been paying attention. BM7 had several no-lynches, including Day 1, and was (let me emphasize) the first BM where town won.
Even the IC's were astounded. Which led me to two conclusions: 1. Experienced player means Jack Shit. 2. Any "experienced player" who has been paying attention to BM7 knows that a Day1 No-lynch can be a good thing for town. Being overly against it, is, as of now in my book very suspicious. Suspicious enough to warrant a lynch, even.
You know, flipping the fuck out at everyone voting for you is a valid tactics for someone about to die. As scum it spreads WIFOM and as town it freaks the shit out of scum who vote for you....Great. Now everyone is going to think Im scum even more.
WHY?
EVERYONE DAY SHORTEN. KILL ME SOONER.
To all: I know, I know, the "experienced players" are saying that's a bad thing. But they have not been paying attention. BM7 had several no-lynches, including Day 1, and was (let me emphasize) the first BM where town won.
Even the IC's were astounded. Which led me to two conclusions: 1. Experienced player means Jack Shit. 2. Any "experienced player" who has been paying attention to BM7 knows that a Day1 No-lynch can be a good thing for town. Being overly against it, is, as of now in my book very suspicious. Suspicious enough to warrant a lynch, even.
I didn't know that about BM7, BM8 was my first. It's encouraging to hear. While I have the utmost respect for our more experienced players, I'm becoming more and more convinced that their advice is... not always helpful.
Okay. It doesnt matter, Pandar.
I am scum. Sir Bayer is my scum partner. Rolan7 IS NOT SCUM.
Okay, Im not actually scum.
BUT JUST END THE DAY
HeheheOkay, Im not actually scum.
BUT JUST END THE DAY
............fail.
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For a second, Org sounded alot like Kira... his mysterious laugh and him sounding like he has something up his sleeve... (Don't know if anyone will get the Death note reference...).Ah, here's some WIFOM. It tends to generate "but that's what he wants me to think" thoughts, and that often leads to general distrust. Even if you don't mean it, AVOID WIFOMING-it only helps the scum.
It makes me wonder, is day shortening actually a good thing to do?
Web did good that game, with scum 1/6 to town.He did well, yeah, but he also randomly got the artifact. Otherwise the game was nailed down. Hm... nah, never mind.
Rolan, when I flip town, who is your second choice?Very good question. I want to hear other people's answers as well.
So. When I flip VT, listen. Because Im going to die. And flip townie.
SCUM LIST
Rolan7: Rolan is scum because of bandwagoning. Also, he says he wasn't bandwagoning when he was (which was strange). He unvotes ,saying he was certain I was scum just posts before. He then votes me again, and most of the time, only voting me for "being suspicious".
Siquo: Siquo is scum for being passive. Also, many times he says I am scummy, yet does not vote me. He does this a second time. He is lurking. He finally votes me, after I say he should vote me SEVERAL times.
Sir Bayer: Bayer is scum for using meta, many times, even though he is wrong. He thinks I am being more active, which means I am scum. I say he should look at Wizard Duel 3, where I was active town. I also say I am on break, he does not listen. He gets a Bandwagon. Everyone bandwagons. Townie dies.
So, when I flip, please try to go back and actually listen.
For a second, Org sounded alot like Kira... his mysterious laugh and him sounding like he has something up his sleeve... (Don't know if anyone will get the Death note reference...).
It makes me wonder, is day shortening actually a good thing to do?
1. HFS
First game. Voting Org. Mainly for meta, possibly retaliation.
2. quinnr
Voting Org for same reasons as me. Catches Org calling town dumb, haha. Must not buddy with this guy. Also points out the strange purposeless unvote.
3. spitfire684
Quite lurky. Voting Org mainly for Caps-lock. I can sympathize, but should find a better reason. Hasn't added anything really.
4. siquo
Seems active. Intimidating avatar, heh. Scumhunted (me) (a plus). Voting Org for being generally suspicious. Which is fine because he's pointed out several instances of suspiciousness.
5. SirBayer
Obsessed with meta. Voting Org primarily for meta reasons.
6. Org
Insane in the membrane. But is he scum?
7. Halmie
Hasn't posted in 35 hours, but was online 12 hours ago. Actively lurking. Hasn't contributed much, and was kinda buddying with Org (as Org pointed out). I think his vote's on spitfire.
8. JaaSwb
Hasn't done much at all. Basically just asked SirBayer about Org's meta, and voted Org for self-voting. Suspicious.
9. Rolan7
I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD
Well ok I'm Rolan7 the Sage and I'm very old. I'm also town. Third Mafia game, I kinda screwed up Aztec mafia (Webadict was stupidly lucky though). I love to break games, mostly video games, but I don't hurt games with RP and flavor like this one.
And what if you don't flip town?
Then who will be your second choice.
1. HFS
First game. Voting Org. Mainly for meta, possibly retaliation.
2. quinnr
Voting Org for same reasons as me. Catches Org calling town dumb, haha. Must not buddy with this guy. Also points out the strange purposeless unvote.
3. spitfire684
Quite lurky. Voting Org mainly for Caps-lock. I can sympathize, but should find a better reason. Hasn't added anything really.
4. siquo
Seems active. Intimidating avatar, heh. Scumhunted (me) (a plus). Voting Org for being generally suspicious. Which is fine because he's pointed out several instances of suspiciousness.
5. SirBayer
Obsessed with meta. Voting Org primarily for meta reasons.
6. Org
Insane in the membrane. But is he scum?
7. Halmie
Hasn't posted in 35 hours, but was online 12 hours ago. Actively lurking. Hasn't contributed much, and was kinda buddying with Org (as Org pointed out). I think his vote's on spitfire.
8. JaaSwb
Hasn't done much at all. Basically just asked SirBayer about Org's meta, and voted Org for self-voting. Suspicious.
9. Rolan7
I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD
Well ok I'm Rolan7 the Sage and I'm very old. I'm also town. Third Mafia game, I kinda screwed up Aztec mafia (Webadict was stupidly lucky though). I love to break games, mostly video games, but I don't hurt games with RP and flavor like this one.
And what if you don't flip town?
Then who will be your second choice.
I think there's a very good chance that Org will flip town. He's been so unhelpful it's only technically a loss, though.
To answer your question though, quinnr, I think my second choice is still Halmie. Early on Org was being very light on lurkers: voting them, yes, but saying it's not a scum tell and that we shouldn't actually lynch them. I think he was using his authority as an experienced player to make the game lurker-friendly, and no one has been lurking more than Halmie. *Actively* lurking, remember.
Of course, now that I've pointed him out, Halmie will be back and posting soon.
If you don't think somebody is probably scum by now, something is wrong. Commit!
If you're asking "But is he?" about someone, you may wish to reconsider your voting, especially since you have behavior of others you consider to be suspicious listed there.
How the heck is using meta scum? ::)It is when you are doing it wrong.
Interesting...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm sorry, I'm just frustrated with Org. I gave him a lot of respect in BM8 just because he was an official, and now that I see him playing, I feel betrayed. I meant it when I said I have the utmost respect for the experienced players, and pretend I emphasized "always" when I said the advice was "not always helpful".
Thank you so much for hosting this incredibly rich game, Vector, and thank you Dakarian for running the Beginner Mafia system in addition to the activity board. I can't imagine how much effort that takes. Your advice is appreciated, including your advice to take your advice with a grain of salt (:
After that JaaSwb, for not contributing and bandwagoning against you. Bandwagoning because he didn't provide a good reason at all, even choose an existing reason.
How the heck is using meta scum? ::)It is when you are doing it wrong.
UNVOTEEEEE
Rolan is scum.
He thinks very much I am town and is willing to kill me.
Well, why would I post it and waste time if I were scum. I will still die in 5 hrs 37 minYou're just insulting everyone's intelligence now, especially your own.
...Way to buddy.
Org is hunting, and most others are not. Including me.
Unvote, for all the good it will do. Org, however suspicious, has just lowered a lot on my Suspicion list. He rates a 10.1 on a scale of 1-5 on my annoying-list however, with the use of caps. That's no reason to vote for someone though. I have noticed quite a few people voting without any reasoning behind it. Heck, I usually do that, and just go by my gut feelings. Which have been correct 100% of the time, so far. (Two out of two ;) )
My gut feeling still sais Rolan, but I've nothing concrete on him. At all. YET. So there's my final vote, I'm off to sleep. My gut is telling meit's hungrythat Org probably is town.
I'm doubting myself now. I'm positively fuming at Org's claim, but I still think he's town. The only way to be sure is to lynch him, but with more suspicious characters around I'm not sure that's the right thing to do. :-\
Meh, Org is right about not wanting to lynch town. Unvote (Org).
I take back my request for day shortening.
Halmie probably needs a prod.
Org:
-Why on earth did you claim scum?Die faster.
-Why did you say Bayer is your partner?WIFOM to die faster
-Why did you say Rolan is town in that post? Same as 2
-If you don't want to be lynched (you still seem to be defending yourself), why are you still voting for yourself? I unvoted, voted ROlan
Siquo:
Are you voting Rolan only based on gut feeling? Any other reasons?
HFS, Spitfire and quinnr:
-Could you state your reasons for voting Org? Any particular behaviour that strikes you as scummy?
-What are your thoughts on the other players?
SirBayer:
I ask yet again, is Org generally inclined to post more as scum than as town, or is this new?
it used to be, but now I post more so I dont get a lower attendance rank
Rolan:
-You previously said you were 100% sure that Org is scum, based on overreaction. Are you still convinced of this?
I hope I'll see enough of a response to make a more informed choice before the day ends or I pass out. Still, that headache ought to keep me awake for a while.
Rolan:
-You previously said you were 100% sure that Org is scum, based on overreaction. Are you still convinced of this?
Why are you not hunting? Not produvtive? Hmmm...lets see. I think I have hunted, maybe jsut a litle, but more than you. You have tunneled. Tunneling is not good.Rolan:
-You previously said you were 100% sure that Org is scum, based on overreaction. Are you still convinced of this?
I never said that at all. I initially tried to pardon Org's obscene, childish reactions as being his playing style. Eventually I decided that he was so counterproductive that, scum or not, he needed to die. And I do think he is probably scum, since he's an experienced player and I can't imagine such a useless townie being a mafia regular.
I mean, don't you see how crazy he's being? Claiming scum was stupid, yeah, but I mean the way he ignores everything everyone says and just constantly orders us to stop voting him! THAT IS NOT HOW A TOWNIE WORKS.
Oh look, Org just posted nothing but a quote of JaaSwb's post. Adding nothing. What a valuable team member! What a contributor! What a non-buddyer! What a nice person who doesn't constantly call us morons and try to bluster his way out of the hole he threw himself into!
Also, Rolan is freaking out and is really defensive and deflecting.I'm doubting myself now. I'm positively fuming at Org's claim, but I still think he's town. The only way to be sure is to lynch him, but with more suspicious characters around I'm not sure that's the right thing to do. :-\
Meh, Org is right about not wanting to lynch town. Unvote (Org).
I take back my request for day shortening.
Halmie probably needs a prod.
Org:
-Why on earth did you claim scum?Die faster.
-Why did you say Bayer is your partner?WIFOM to die faster
-Why did you say Rolan is town in that post? Same as 2
-If you don't want to be lynched (you still seem to be defending yourself), why are you still voting for yourself? I unvoted, voted ROlan
Siquo:
Are you voting Rolan only based on gut feeling? Any other reasons?
HFS, Spitfire and quinnr:
-Could you state your reasons for voting Org? Any particular behaviour that strikes you as scummy?
-What are your thoughts on the other players?
SirBayer:
I ask yet again, is Org generally inclined to post more as scum than as town, or is this new?
it used to be, but now I post more so I dont get a lower attendance rank
Rolan:
-You previously said you were 100% sure that Org is scum, based on overreaction. Are you still convinced of this?
I hope I'll see enough of a response to make a more informed choice before the day ends or I pass out. Still, that headache ought to keep me awake for a while.
Rolan:
-You previously said you were 100% sure that Org is scum, based on overreaction. Are you still convinced of this?
I never said that at all. I initially tried to pardon Org's obscene, childish reactions as being his playing style. Eventually I decided that he was so counterproductive that, scum or not, he needed to die. And I do think he is probably scum, since he's an experienced player and I can't imagine such a useless townie being a mafia regular.
I mean, don't you see how crazy he's being? Claiming scum was stupid, yeah, but I mean the way he ignores everything everyone says and just constantly orders us to stop voting him! THAT IS NOT HOW A TOWNIE WORKS.
Oh look, Org just posted nothing but a quote of JaaSwb's post. Adding nothing. What a valuable team member! What a contributor! What a non-buddyer! What a nice person who doesn't constantly call us morons and try to bluster his way out of the hole he threw himself into!
...Way to buddy.
Org is hunting, and most others are not. Including me.
Unvote, for all the good it will do. Org, however suspicious, has just lowered a lot on my Suspicion list. He rates a 10.1 on a scale of 1-5 on my annoying-list however, with the use of caps. That's no reason to vote for someone though. I have noticed quite a few people voting without any reasoning behind it. Heck, I usually do that, and just go by my gut feelings. Which have been correct 100% of the time, so far. (Two out of two ;) )
My gut feeling still sais Rolan, but I've nothing concrete on him. At all. YET. So there's my final vote, I'm off to sleep. My gut is telling meit's hungrythat Org probably is town.
BUt its not a bandwagon if we have good reasons!
Why are you not hunting? Not produvtive? Hmmm...lets see. I think I have hunted, maybe jsut a litle, but more than you. You have tunneled. Tunneling is not good.
I actually answered his questions in the quote, but forgot to bold it. Sorry JaaSwb.
Also, Rolan is freaking out and is really defensive and deflecting.
EVERYONE DAY SHORTEN. KILL ME SOONER.
Conclusion: My vote stays, and I would highly encourage everyone here to join me.
Everyone, Org is scum.He once called Rolan7 "a bit suspicious", but other than that, in the first post he goes for Org, bites down, and then doesn't let go. Ever.
which girlfriend to take
which girlfriend to take
Uh.
Can't find any scumhunting yet in this game. AT ALL (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19483;sa=showPosts;start=0). Except for trying everyone to get Org.QuoteConclusion: My vote stays, and I would highly encourage everyone here to join me.QuoteEveryone, Org is scum.He once called Rolan7 "a bit suspicious", but other than that, in the first post he goes for Org, bites down, and then doesn't let go. Ever.
So now that your first target is gone, SirBayer, what is your next step?
Protip: Reread Org's stuff.
You don't know if he was right, but you do know he was sincere, which is more than you can say for any other player in this game.
Now, use words which actually exist and I will answer it. I don't understand what you actually mean 'Non-confrontationalism', if your saying its because I don't confront anyone then your quite mistaken, I just have.
Spitfire, why the non-confrontationalism?
Now, use words which actually exist and I will answer it. I don't understand what you actually mean 'Non-confrontationalism', if your saying its because I don't confront anyone then your quite mistaken, I just have.
Spitfire, why the non-confrontationalism?
PS: I just looked up, confrontationalism is not in the english dictionary.
Im not trying to dodge a question, Im just trying to understand it better. If I can understand it better, maybe you could get much better out of it, hmm?
No confronting... well like I said, I just did. Why I didn't do it much in day 1, I didn't have exactly much evidence to go on. Picking out things which make people scum is not something I have much skill in, to be honnest. I appologise if I am not being a help.
Interesting... you were actually my second suspect. Org was confronting you as well, he might of actually had a good point in doing so, wouldn't you agree?
Interesting... you were actually my second suspect. Org was confronting you as well, he might of actually had a good point in doing so, wouldn't you agree?
Now thats interesting... the mafia killed someone who was probally the second most suspicious. It poses the question, why the mafia killed him.This was a pressure vote, if you havent noticed.
Squio, why do you think the mafia killed him?
Now thats interesting... the mafia killed someone who was probally the second most suspicious. It poses the question, why the mafia killed him.This was a pressure vote, if you havent noticed.
Squio, why do you think the mafia killed him?
I am trying my best here but I am still a begginner, and I havent been able to follow because of things happeneing in the crazy world of 'real life'...
Pandarsenic: Dakarian is scummy scum scum scum scum!
Dakarian: Oh my god, you suck! Pandarsenic
It means voting someone solely because they voted you. It is NOT a valid scumtell these days.
No, uh, you're pretty much wrong on this one. OMGUS votes are full of WIFOM and you have to know a player well to tell whether it's a null tell or a scum tell. It's only rarely a scumtell - the only time I can recall it being one was when I was breaking Janus down in NSBM and he was resisting calling me scummy until he realized his REFUSAL TO OMGUS (a scumtell of avoiding the OMGUS because as scum you don't want to look scummy, and the reason the OMGUS is defunct) and gave in - several dozen posts too late for it to look legit.
It means voting someone solely because they voted you. It is NOT a valid scumtell these days.
I frankly don't agree. People pinning scumminess on people for the express reason of being attacked are still plenty scummy.
Spitfire: I never said you didn't vote at all, I specifically pointed out the fact that you accused several people without ever backing up your accusations or thoughts with attacks.
And don't forget the whole "But is he?" questions, which are... rather scummy as well.
It was a first day, you can't conclude your attacks in just one day. I am the sort of person who likes to build up on thier evidence before they begin thier accusations. Attacking someone with little evidence would be... quite scummy.Actually it would be scumhunting, on day 1.
It was a first day, you can't conclude your attacks in just one day. I am the sort of person who likes to build up on thier evidence before they begin thier accusations. Attacking someone with little evidence would be... quite scummy.
Now thats interesting... the mafia killed someone who was probally the second most suspicious. It poses the question, why the mafia killed him.
Squio, why do you think the mafia killed him?
Meta was not my primary reason. If you people (by this I mean everyone in general) continue to try to paint me as scum for reasons that are NOT EVEN BASED IN REALITY, then - I don't know what the hell I'll do, but this is enough of that shit. I have had enough of being accused of things that never happened."You people"?? You mean, the other team, the town team?
SirBayer, you aren't picking targets by meta, even if you claim to do so.
You don't need to focus on multiple players, one at a time is
You know who your targets are.
You know who should be lynched.
You only need to shout "I would highly encourage everyone here to join me", because you need other players as well.
You already know who is town and who isn't.
Oh for - I've never played with Spitfire before that I recall, and one game is not enough to pick up on a meta. I played Org on meta because I've 1. played games with him and 2. read games with him. I had no meta on Spitfire BUT I NEVER CLAIMED ANY.In your logic, Sirbayer, would this perhaps be an 'OMGUS'?
No... no, it wouldn't. I'm explaining to him why what he said is completely untrue.Oh for - I've never played with Spitfire before that I recall, and one game is not enough to pick up on a meta. I played Org on meta because I've 1. played games with him and 2. read games with him. I had no meta on Spitfire BUT I NEVER CLAIMED ANY.In your logic, Sirbayer, would this perhaps be an 'OMGUS'?
It was a first day, you can't conclude your attacks in just one day. I am the sort of person who likes to build up on thier evidence before they begin thier accusations. Attacking someone with little evidence would be... quite scummy.Actually I quite disagree. I excuse you for day 1 as Org went crazy and I went lurky. But still. Start attacking, votes add pressure, accusations multiply it.
It was a first day, you can't conclude your attacks in just one day. I am the sort of person who likes to build up on thier evidence before they begin thier accusations. Attacking someone with little evidence would be... quite scummy.Actually I quite disagree. I excuse you for day 1 as Org went crazy and I went lurky. But still. Start attacking, votes add pressure, accusations multiply it.
Unvote, SirBayer why tunnel on spitfire for a few seconds before dropping the case in mid scumhunt to pursue something else? Org broke easily, don't expect it to happen to everyone.
Your behaviour and how it snugly fits scum actions. Yeah, Org broke down. And he was town. But that was the general idea, right? Anyone who breaks down must be scum, therefore just pound on them until they do break down, and everyone else will vote for them as well.Quote from: SiquoSirBayer, you aren't picking targets by meta, even if you claim to do so.
You don't need to focus on multiple players, one at a time is
You know who your targets are.
You know who should be lynched.
You only need to shout "I would highly encourage everyone here to join me", because you need other players as well.
You already know who is town and who isn't.
Also: What is... any of this? Any of it?
One game is not enough to pick up on a meta.
One game is not enough to pick up on a meta.
Wrong. By the way.
Spitfires meta... really, just look at all of his posts. It's 4 pages, can be scanned within one minute, and all posts are of BM7 and BM9. For someone who values meta that much, you only seem to use it when it suits you.Your behaviour and how it snugly fits scum actions. Yeah, Org broke down. And he was town. But that was the general idea, right? Anyone who breaks down must be scum, therefore just pound on them until they do break down, and everyone else will vote for them as well.Quote from: SiquoSirBayer, you aren't picking targets by meta, even if you claim to do so.
You don't need to focus on multiple players, one at a time is
You know who your targets are.
You know who should be lynched.
You only need to shout "I would highly encourage everyone here to join me", because you need other players as well.
You already know who is town and who isn't.
Also: What is... any of this? Any of it?
You, sir, know what targets to pick because you are scum. And since you switched targets so easily, as was noticed before:
spitfire684, just asking one question to someone and then sit back and respond with lame "oh yeahs?" is 1. not helping and 2. a pretty damn convenient method not to be noticed. What are your opinions on every player here?
I shouldn't have to repeat myself. I use meta when it's appropriate, and when I know something about the player. I don't know Spitfire well enough to use meta on him, so I don't try. Does this make sense to you yet?In this case it was easy to come by and appropriate. So no, it does not make sense to me, at all. Especially since it was apparently so appropriate when you were getting a townie lynched.
I am convinced Spitfire is not scum. So I'm moving on. Does this make sense to you?Don't worry, it all makes sense to me now. I mean, you gotta "attack" your scumbuddy at least once to unsuspect any "buddy-activity", right?
He revealed alignment. Go over that, think about it, and realize that he's a townie. A new townie, but a townie. It's simple..... Ok. Thought about it. What is "revealed alignment", and where did he do any of that? And where on earth do you get the idea that any conclusion you draw, is the conclusion everyone should draw? Your tone, attitude, and "Just because, don't let me repeat nonsense, wait, I'll do it some more, does that make sense to you?" answers are really not getting you anywhere. They're getting me somewhere though.
It was a first day, you can't conclude your attacks in just one day. I am the sort of person who likes to build up on thier evidence before they begin thier accusations. Attacking someone with little evidence would be... quite scummy.
If its one of those, I guess it has to be the first choice. It made me wonder as well, as soon as Pandarsenic joined in the discussion, that was when SirBayer broke off from the attack, when he had someone going against him. Thats another reason why I suspect him. Im guessing today is still 'scumhunting' and voting without much thought seems to still apply now so...
This my friend is not breaking point. It might of been for Org this game but Org is... Org.
Either you're scum buddying upto townies or scum protecting your scum partner.
Don't worry, it all makes sense to me now. I mean, you gotta "attack" your scumbuddy at least once to unsuspect any "buddy-activity", right?This, it's a common tactic, and I am starting to suspect SirBayer on it.
Alright, see ya soon :D
Where is everybody?
So, the night went by without HFS answering the prod...
spitfire684, just asking one question to someone and then sit back and respond with lame "oh yeahs?" is 1. not helping and 2. a pretty damn convenient method not to be noticed. What are your opinions on every player here?
JaaSwb seems to be avoiding bandwagons no matter how scummy the wagonee looks.
... A reminder: unvote before revoting.He hadn't voted yet.
Okay, let's see if I'm in more of a state to post now. Not as long as I promised, but it'll do for now.JaaSwb seems to be avoiding bandwagons no matter how scummy the wagonee looks.
What I've been saying most of day one, while pulling my hair out in frustration, is that I never saw how Org was being any more scummy than he normally is. The hyperactivity was peculiar, but I haven't seen him do that as scum either.
You're burning a strawman here, Halmie, and it shows. Might I ask where you were when everyone was hating on the leper? Standing by the sidelines of course, making no noise.
... A reminder: unvote before revoting.He hadn't voted yet.
I'm back. Internet trouble, need I say more?
Looking over this thread, SirBayer.
Can't elaborate because I don't know how much time I have until my internet fails again.
Alright, I'm back, and I've read everything I missed.
SirBayer, I didn't really have time to read through everything, and I wanted to let you all know I might be inactive over the next day.QuoteDon't worry, it all makes sense to me now. I mean, you gotta "attack" your scumbuddy at least once to unsuspect any "buddy-activity", right?This, it's a common tactic, and I am starting to suspect SirBayer on it.
Yes people do break. But spitfire didn't. You hardly pushed spitfire and now you say you cleared him?It was a first day, you can't conclude your attacks in just one day. I am the sort of person who likes to build up on thier evidence before they begin thier accusations. Attacking someone with little evidence would be... quite scummy.
This my friend is not breaking point. It might of been for Org this game but Org is... Org.
Either you're scum buddying upto townies or scum protecting your scum partner.
Spitfire is looking more like town but could just be distancing himself from Bayer.
Alright, I'm back, and I've read everything I missed.Bold added for emphasis
SirBayer, I didn't really have time to read through everything, and I wanted to let you all know I might be inactive over the next day.QuoteDon't worry, it all makes sense to me now. I mean, you gotta "attack" your scumbuddy at least once to unsuspect any "buddy-activity", right?This, it's a common tactic, and I am starting to suspect SirBayer on it.
Wait a second. Wait one bloody second, that is actually hilarious.Alright, I'm back, and I've read everything I missed.Bold added for emphasis
SirBayer, I didn't really have time to read through everything, and I wanted to let you all know I might be inactive over the next day.QuoteDon't worry, it all makes sense to me now. I mean, you gotta "attack" your scumbuddy at least once to unsuspect any "buddy-activity", right?This, it's a common tactic, and I am starting to suspect SirBayer on it.
ahahahahahahahahaha
Hm.
Unvote since I forgot to do that earlier.
Quinnr, if you had the opportunity to get on now, why didn't you say something about what you think about it?
Just being present isn't enough.
If who is inactive? The town in general?
Well done for putting words in my mouth.Spitfire is looking more like town but could just be distancing himself from Bayer.
This is contradiction. You are contradicting yourself within pages. This is insanely LAME contradiction. At least try to hide it, Halmie.
And if you AGREE with my point that he's town, and you're voting me because I stopped voting him, why are you still voting for me?
I'm back. Internet trouble, need I say more?
Looking over this thread, SirBayer.
Can't elaborate because I don't know how much time I have until my internet fails again.
Oh look. SirBayer is DOING AN ORG.
Which would indicate townness, based on experience. But SirBayer was convinced Org was scum BECAUSE of the caps and the shouting. People try to find scum based on what they think they would do if they were scum. If SirBayer believes that someone shouting in caps when attacked is scum, that's probably what he would do if he were scum. No extension. Vote stays.
Siquo, stop being retarded.Oh yeah, now I'm scared. I vote for you, and now you threaten to vote me back?! You'll try anything, won't you?
So stop it or I'll get to you.
I was never prodded...
You are lucky, I was gonna go to bed. Not that it'll matter, unless we get one more.
Well done for putting words in my mouth.Spitfire is looking more like town but could just be distancing himself from Bayer.
This is contradiction. You are contradicting yourself within pages. This is insanely LAME contradiction. At least try to hide it, Halmie.
And if you AGREE with my point that he's town, and you're voting me because I stopped voting him, why are you still voting for me?
I was saying he looking more like town. Closer to town does not mean town.
So I don't agree about the fact that spitfire is definatly town, I agree with the fact he his possibly town. I voted you not becuase you said siptfire was town, I voted you becuase you said spitfire was town without proof. i.e. Buddying whether to scum or town.
You should be ashamed of yourselves and on fire.
You should be ashamed of yourselves and on fire.
Well, I know something that's getting flavored >_>
This is going to be awesome.
No, I gave my evidence. My argument was evidence. It's pretty clear, at least it is to me, that he broke town back there. And now you're agreeing with me, and you're not unvoting me. Agreeing with me isn't a reason to believe I'm town, normally, but you agree with my reasoning, the reasoning that you accused as scummy. So if I'm scum, so are you, so why don't you stop behaving like scum and actually do something?as you yourself said:
Allow me to reiterate what you're completely ignoring.I do not agree with the fact that spitfire broke. He wasn't even close. This seems like buddying behavior. I now think he is starting to look like less of scum but it doesn't make you not scum. Scum still buddy up with town.
Siquo has a point, actually.
He has been an excellent scumhunter the entire game, and I can see where he is coming from.
More extension, please.
That's depressing.
I like the flavor. It's good. Don't take it as a complaint.
I'm back. Internet trouble, need I say more?
Looking over this thread, SirBayer.
Can't elaborate because I don't know how much time I have until my internet fails again.
Your flavor provokes an emotional response. It's good writing. And it's just plain fun. :D
The flavour is delicious. The blood of innocents less so...
So this is it, final day. I'm going back and re-read, and try to find out why who did what, again...
Vector, if you ever decide on a side operation besides mathematician get into writing. No, don't go "what? Meh" at me. Go! The world doesn't have enough good writers (and I don't have near enough writers that catch my interest).
You should turn this into a short story and sell it...
start posting some stuff in Creative Projects, though
Good god, people. Why are only the ICs and people who want to talk about writing posting here? There's a game on!
Internet problems have not improved.
Requesting replacement.
Ok *cough*
HFS is being replaced.
JaaSwb has not posted so thus needs a prod.
Should I replace in, or would you rather a newbie do as such?
I'll preempt an Extension.
Right. Unvote, for now.Now... Siquo...
quinnr, you've been doing the same thing as HFS, but without the excuse. Bandwagoning, not giving reasons or justifications for your votes, and being generally evasive. Why?
Why would you vote quinnr? How is he suspicious? Got any quotes?
Right. Unvote, for now.Now... Siquo...
quinnr, you've been doing the same thing as HFS, but without the excuse. Bandwagoning, not giving reasons or justifications for your votes, and being generally evasive. Why?
Why would you vote quinnr? How is he suspicious? Got any quotes?
What are you doing?Right. Unvote, for now.Now... Siquo...
quinnr, you've been doing the same thing as HFS, but without the excuse. Bandwagoning, not giving reasons or justifications for your votes, and being generally evasive. Why?
Why would you vote quinnr? How is he suspicious? Got any quotes?
Siquo's vote was fully justified...I have been seemingly 'bandwagoning'
Siquo, the new charger is working good, thanks.
Hmmm...as for HFS/webadict, I don't really have much to go on yet. I don't think he seems like scum now that he got a replacement (not a lurker anymore), so I'll unvote until he posts more.
What are you doing?Right. Unvote, for now.Now... Siquo...
quinnr, you've been doing the same thing as HFS, but without the excuse. Bandwagoning, not giving reasons or justifications for your votes, and being generally evasive. Why?
Why would you vote quinnr? How is he suspicious? Got any quotes?
Siquo's vote was fully justified...I have been seemingly 'bandwagoning'
Siquo, the new charger is working good, thanks.
Hmmm...as for HFS/webadict, I don't really have much to go on yet. I don't think he seems like scum now that he got a replacement (not a lurker anymore), so I'll unvote until he posts more.
Is anyone else seeing this?
Seeing what?Yes. You don't WANT to be lynched, and saying that someone is justified in voting you is completely insane. Don't be a moron. You don't want people to vote you, and doing his job for him is incredibly scummy on your part, and unhelpful to everyone else.
Did I make a total newbe mistake?
Seeing what?Yes. You don't WANT to be lynched, and saying that someone is justified in voting you is completely insane. Don't be a moron. You don't want people to vote you, and doing his job for him is incredibly scummy on your part, and unhelpful to everyone else.
Did I make a total newbe mistake?
Look for scum. Do something. Being passive is stupid and not helping in any way.
Again, you're not listening and instead making yourself a better target.Seeing what?Yes. You don't WANT to be lynched, and saying that someone is justified in voting you is completely insane. Don't be a moron. You don't want people to vote you, and doing his job for him is incredibly scummy on your part, and unhelpful to everyone else.
Did I make a total newbe mistake?
Look for scum. Do something. Being passive is stupid and not helping in any way.
I was saying they had a reason for voting me, not that I was scum. Sure I was acting scummy, but that doesn't mean I'm scum.
Let's just say I became your new lylo IC.And he does it while he scumhunts, himself. Fucking stylish, amirite?
I get an 8.5 for style.Let's just say I became your new lylo IC.And he does it while he scumhunts, himself. Fucking stylish, amirite?
Quinnr has been a chronic bandwagoner all game, very little hunting.Right right, so, now you can answer my questions:
Siquo has probably scumhunted the most out of the remaining players, still not really enough but a start.
JaaSwb has done a little more scum hunting than quinnr but only when called out it seems.
HFS/webadict, HFS was like Quinnr and not very helpful. Webadict I'm less sure about since he has only made 3/4 posts since he joined.
So, I'm reading back and all, but what I really want to know is why no one is even here. Vector, can we get some serious prodage? JaaSwb hasn't posted for some time, and replacing him may be necessary (Depending on how things turn up.)
So, anyone want to talk? Because not talking is killing the town, and you should all be ashamed if you lose because of it.
What if you just modkillSo, I'm reading back and all, but what I really want to know is why no one is even here. Vector, can we get some serious prodage? JaaSwb hasn't posted for some time, and replacing him may be necessary (Depending on how things turn up.)
So, anyone want to talk? Because not talking is killing the town, and you should all be ashamed if you lose because of it.
Vector already issued Serious Proddage round 1 yesterday at 10:00. Given the lack of posts from Certain People, round 2 is coming up as we speak.
What if you just modkillSo, I'm reading back and all, but what I really want to know is why no one is even here. Vector, can we get some serious prodage? JaaSwb hasn't posted for some time, and replacing him may be necessary (Depending on how things turn up.)
So, anyone want to talk? Because not talking is killing the town, and you should all be ashamed if you lose because of it.
Vector already issued Serious Proddage round 1 yesterday at 10:00. Given the lack of posts from Certain People, round 2 is coming up as we speak.all the scumeveryonebut me.
... Why is it so hard to get a discussion going? It's ridiculous! The Town kills all the active players, and the scum kills all the sort of active ones.
Vector, there's not much anyone can do for this town. They've grown apathetic, the major danger to newbie Towns. I doubt any of these players will be in future mafias, save for Siquo, who, I might add, is active.
But, other than that, we've got no one. Halmie? Where is he? JaaSwb? What's with him? quinnr? He's okay, but he isn't active enough.
Anyhow, I'm sure the Town is going to lose if there isn't a haul-over of these players' attitudes.
Another victory for Town!... Why is it so hard to get a discussion going? It's ridiculous! The Town kills all the active players, and the scum kills all the sort of active ones.
Vector, there's not much anyone can do for this town. They've grown apathetic, the major danger to newbie Towns. I doubt any of these players will be in future mafias, save for Siquo, who, I might add, is active.
But, other than that, we've got no one. Halmie? Where is he? JaaSwb? What's with him? quinnr? He's okay, but he isn't active enough.
Anyhow, I'm sure the Town is going to lose if there isn't a haul-over of these players' attitudes.
Yeah. At 3:00 tomorrow morning I'm issuing force-replaces for Halmie and JaaSwb. This game is pretty much dead, so I guess that's the best anyone can do.
I wish I could replace in but I'm too busy being the better, smarter, and more attractive of the ICs.
And I know the Mafiosos' identities.
I'm here! It's been way less than 24 hours since I last posted but if this is not enough activity for you then by all means replace me. But if I'm being prodded for it obviously it isn't. And I really shouldn't be playing Mafia with other timezones.
Replace please.
I think I still need a replacement. Playing with other timezones isn't really working. And no I wasn't trying to guilt trip you Vector (I reread it and that's what it sounded like). I just post like a sick lamb.
Halmie, you can't deny that discussion isn't really freely flowing here, and honestly, you haven't been saying that much either. Our host sees her game falling apart, and that's sad.You mean redded to vote him.
QUINNR (redded to get his god#*&$^#% attention) when you do reply, could you please also reply to what was asked?
No, you don't. That's a lame excuse for not being active. And you still ignore webadicts and my question. You're full of it, quinnr.Are you saying you're not posting your list? Well, what am I supposed to think of that?
webadict, since no-one else is posting their list, will you do it now?
Yes, that's granted. Sorry for not mentioning it earlier.Had to make sure.
I'll come in. :sigh: Against my better judgement though. I probably won't be terribly active, as this will be last in priority after I//S//E and Bootcamp, but at least I will be better than no-one, I'm sure.
It was very recently that webadict replaced in. He replaced HFS, who had 8 posts total in this thread.I already knew this. You claimed it a bit ago, and Vector essentially confirmed this. Now, this should mean you're Town, but I gave that 2% to the Godfather.
I believe that Siquo+Webadict is Town, and the rest I'm not too sure, partly because of the recent disappearances.
webadict, I am a Vanilla Townie. The Prince of Denmark, to be exact.
Siquo, Quinnr, I want each of you to give me a summary on whats happened since the beginning of the game, and who remaining looks scummiest and why.Now you'll need to tell me who you replaced and what your favorite flavor is.
Webadict, I've been following this game but my time sense is still a bit off - when did you start playing, and who did you replace?
Are you saying you're not posting your list? Well, what am I supposed to think of that?I already posted my list. I'm still waiting for yours. Why isn't anybody paying any attention and is just blabbing and saying random stuff? Your roleclaim is... believable though.
If you want my list, it's rather long-winded, but I'm sure some SparkNotes will be enough.
... Really?Are you saying you're not posting your list? Well, what am I supposed to think of that?I already posted my list. I'm still waiting for yours. Why isn't anybody paying any attention and is just blabbing and saying random stuff? Your roleclaim is... believable though.
If you want my list, it's rather long-winded, but I'm sure some SparkNotes will be enough.
But I'll do a new one if you want, things have changed a bit, mostly regarding quinnr and you.
So, Quinnr, you essentially just called me scum. If you are so sure I'm scum, why didn't you attack me for it?I didn't say that's why I thought he was confirmed, since I never cared about his role. It was when I did find out about his role that added to his Townieness.
Now, Webadict, how the hell does him being the Prince of Denmark make him a nearly confirmed townie? Couldn't that just as easily be a scum role? Do you know something you're not telling us?
Since you're claiming doc, you can't be a cop, so how exactly do you know "quinnr is town unless he's godfather"?
Vector already said he's being careful with the flavor roles, so they don't relate to anything, really.quinnr, you'll need to find a Townie and stick to them, or find a mafia and stick to them. One or the other.
Glyph, I can't really be sure about you, as the person you've replace haven't really been active at all.
You claimed it a bit ago, and Vector essentially confirmed this. Now, this should mean you're Town, but I gave that 2% to the Godfather.
I didn't say that's why I thought he was confirmed, since I never cared about his role. It was when I did find out about his role that added to his Townieness.
Really? That's your best?QuoteYou claimed it a bit ago, and Vector essentially confirmed this. Now, this should mean you're Town, but I gave that 2% to the Godfather.QuoteI didn't say that's why I thought he was confirmed, since I never cared about his role. It was when I did find out about his role that added to his Townieness.
Basically, you implied that he was town unless he was godfather. I don't see what his role has to do with anything. So why don't you explain what you meant by his roleclaim meaning he should be town (unless godfather)?
And as to who's scummy:
I think YOU are scum. And I think Quinnr is your scumbuddy, and thats why you've been softballing with weak attacks coupled with advice, like you're looking scummy instead of new, try harder and "quinnr, you'll need to find a Townie and stick to them, or find a mafia and stick to them. One or the other." I'm not even sure what you're trying to mean with that sentence, but maybe you've clarified for him in scum chat?
And I've got no reads whatsoever on the lurker.
Or I could just end this now, given that no one seems to want to play.
Don't have time for a recap right now, maybe later today.
Are you a girl again, solifuge? ;D
Pardon the edit... I only thought to do it on a content-free post. Old habits, and all that. >_<;... Wait...Don't have time for a recap right now, maybe later today.
No worries on the belated recap, it'll just take me some time to get caught up before I can properly assume the role of JaaSwb. Content-bearing posts will start at that point, and/or after I get about 50 billion sheets of chemical info scanned and manually transcribed into a dangfangled redundant database this afternoon. Bwargh.Are you a girl again, solifuge? ;D
I am not, nor have I ever been a girl. Not my fault you rubes got your pronouns crossed. :3
You'll have to wait till tomorrow. You'll see me then (if I can find the time to finish up my bootcamp analysis first).I'm still waiting...
Yeah, I'm kind of waiting for everyone. SERIOUSLY, people. SERIOUSLY.Just give me two Day kills. Or three votes and a revive. I'll end this.
Yeah, I'm kind of waiting for everyone. SERIOUSLY, people. SERIOUSLY.Just give me two Day kills. Or three votes and a revive. I'll end this.
IN STYLE!
Okay, webadict?... Because I think you're scum and he's not? Is that a good enough answer?
Here's a question for you: Sure, I was away - but solifuge was here, replacing a lurker, and you were here... why the hell weren't you asking him questions?
You can't possible have had a read on him, yet... and yet, here we are at lylo and you completely ignore the one person who's actually here.
What's up with that?
Did you claim your flavor webadict?Yes. Mine was Guardian.
Who has, other than me?
... Because I think you're scum and he's not? Is that a good enough answer?Tunneling at Lylo when dealing with multiple lurker/replaces? Really?
You act like I'm focusing on only the past day you've been here, instead of all your posts your predecessor posted.Quote... Because I think you're scum and he's not? Is that a good enough answer?Tunneling at Lylo when dealing with multiple lurker/replaces? Really?
Actually, why ARE you even attacking me? Is it because I voted you? Because I've been busy?Oh no. I just figured that if someone were truly Town, they'd have claimed their flavor role by now. Solifuge I can get to when you and Siquo are dead. But by then, I've been murdered off and quinnr is standing off to the side making vague scumtells you seem to think newbies make.
Before I replaced in, you said I was "20%" scum and solifuge "80%". Yet, you completely ignore solifuge, who was around when I wasn't, despite you previously being highly suspicious of him. Has what he's said so far really convinced you he's town? Is that I look like an easier target, or that since I voted you I'm too dangerous to have around?
By all means, keep attacking me - but why don't you try putting some actual damn reasoning behind it. You're sitting back, acting smug, but I don't see you making much of an argument. So what exactly are you hoping for? Or is your whole argument based around an OMGUS, around how I have the audacity to attack the person who claimed doctor?
Fake Edit: Letting the post stand, posting a new response now.
Thank you! Finally some actual substance.You CANNOT have no suspicions at this point. Even quinnr has suspicions and look at him. Seriously, why not answer something! Put your soul out there! It's just sooooo annoying to have you sit back. I'm not asking you to vote someone. I'm asking you to tell me who's suspicious. You can't stall forever! Well, you can, but doing so is only hurting the Town.
Doesn't changed the fact that you claimed you found the person Solifuge replaced suspicious, and then proceeded to ignore them once they got replaced.
So who's town? Who's scum? I don't know yet, and hopefully this will keep going until I have time to figure it out (time that has been in very short supply for me lately).
So, scum:
You or Siquo : You, for every point I've made so far, and Siquo because of how he's just slipped and lurked the moment you started attacking someone else.
Solifuge : Because he seems content to pop in, make some smalltalk with siquo. You ignored him - but he ignored you just as hard. Both he and siquo ignore the thread.
Town:
Quinnr : because he keeps making scum slips you seem content to ignore, and in fact "advise" him on. The only problem with this is that I don't think you'd be so dense as to make a mistake like that with your scum partner. I could see you doing that to implicate a townie on the off chance you get lynched, though.
Sorry, still don't have a lot of time to post...You're not waiting for my list because I already posted it. Don't give me that crap. You've also said this before as well, even though I had posted the list RIGHT before then.
Webadict, we're still waiting for your list.
but if I had to choose, my gut says you'd be the Villain.This is scummy as all hell. Commit and apply some pressure. If I'm scum, having two people on me providing arguments is a lot more likely to get me to break - unless you think I've already broken, it which case you wouldn't have to hedge with statements like "but if I had to choose". You shouldn't be going with your gut at this point - you should be finding some evidence, or attacking people to get it.
Do YOU think Solifuge is scum? I mean, otherwise, you wouldn't be telling me "Why aren't you looking at him?!?!" You'd be finding evidence. Finding SCUM. You're not. You're sitting here complaining. I can't help you there.Because I wasn't trying to get reactions from him at the time, I was trying to get reactions from you. I didn't think he was scum - then (though I thought there were good reasons to attack him, and still do, and would have if I had more time). I wasn't sitting around with him making small talk while other people were busy, waiting for the person I wanted to lynch to show up.
So, webadict:Better question: Are you really calling Solifuge out on lurking as opposed to quinnr and Siquo? Like, screw that, Glyph. You don't even TOUCH on Siquo. Like you went OUT OF YOUR WAY to accuse everyone but Siquo. Everything you do is just making you scummier and you straight-up REFUSE to believe any of it. You're trying your best to point at everyone but yourself (And Siquo.)
Do you think solifuge is town? Why?
So... Solifuge.You weren't trying to get reactions. You were trying to persuade others. That means you have no evidence and therefore aren't trying to find scum but, rather, find buddies. You still continue to do as such and likely will keep doing so until you are horribly lynched.
You think I'm doing all these scummy things, and that I'm scum... but you aren't attacking me? Your just vaguely agreeing with Webadict?
Tell me why you think Webadicts argument is so well reasoned. And we haven't really done many things prior to now, because we both replaced in today (though feel free to go back and provide analysis of our previous players interactions).
Also,Quotebut if I had to choose, my gut says you'd be the Villain.This is scummy as all hell. Commit and apply some pressure. If I'm scum, having two people on me providing arguments is a lot more likely to get me to break - unless you think I've already broken, it which case you wouldn't have to hedge with statements like "but if I had to choose". You shouldn't be going with your gut at this point - you should be finding some evidence, or attacking people to get it.
So, Solifuge, what took you so long to ask a question, to cast a suspicion?
Why are you going for Quinnr (and just Quinnr) if you think I'm the one who's acting scummy?
Is there anyone in your mind who is almost definitely town? Almost definitely scum? Who?
Moving on to the other scum...
Webadict:QuoteDo YOU think Solifuge is scum? I mean, otherwise, you wouldn't be telling me "Why aren't you looking at him?!?!" You'd be finding evidence. Finding SCUM. You're not. You're sitting here complaining. I can't help you there.Because I wasn't trying to get reactions from him at the time, I was trying to get reactions from you. I didn't think he was scum - then (though I thought there were good reasons to attack him, and still do, and would have if I had more time). I wasn't sitting around with him making small talk while other people were busy, waiting for the person I wanted to lynch to show up.
In case of "confusion" about my words: You have no focused suspicions. Just mercurial ones, as you flail at whoever calls you on scum tells with every random thing you can think of.Beat me to the punch!
You're also accusing the doctor WITHOUT any counterclaim, which is stupid, since if I were going to pull that crap, I'd pull the Double Doctor Gambit that none of you have ever heard of.
Beat me to the punch!
What? I would.You're also accusing the doctor WITHOUT any counterclaim, which is stupid, since if I were going to pull that crap, I'd pull the Double Doctor Gambit that none of you have ever heard of.
Behold, fools, it is I, Webadict! Wizard-King of all Mafiadom! I have mastered arcane secrets... ancient techniques unearthed from the eldest records of Mafiascum, once employed by the Mafia God-Kings. Mine are techniques so omnipotent, so inneffable, so unthinkable, as to drive lesser minds to madness. Mine are secrets more fell and terrible than you can possibly imagine. With a word, heads will spin, minds will warp... the very fabric from which the cosmos are formed will shred and tear, and all shall quiver at my feet, begging that I spare them!Beat me to the punch!
Oh wait. :3
Are you really calling Solifuge out on lurking as opposed to quinnr and Siquo? Like, screw that, Glyph. You don't even TOUCH on Siquo.
Siquo: I don't have a lot of time to post either, but you don't see me sitting here making two line posts. Where have you been, why have you been lurking so heavily during lylo, and what are YOUR suspicions?
You weren't trying to get reactions. You were trying to persuade others.Evidence? Why the hell would I attack the "doctor" at lylo if I was just trying to persuade people to lynch him? No, I attacked you because despite what you said, I thought you may very well be scum.
Glyph, you are trying way too hard. Judging by your words, everyone is Scum then? You're only reacting to people suspicious of you, and not hunting with any focus. Why is that?Judging by my words, Quinnr is town, and two of you/webadict/Siquo is town.
What? I would.
Besides, that's ony a small portion of my argument.
(looks back) Oh yeah, three pages back, you did. sry bout that lil prod then.Sorry, still don't have a lot of time to post...You're not waiting for my list because I already posted it. Don't give me that crap. You've also said this before as well, even though I had posted the list RIGHT before then.
Webadict, we're still waiting for your list.
Right-o. Who should we lynch, Siquo?(looks back) Oh yeah, three pages back, you did. sry bout that lil prod then.Sorry, still don't have a lot of time to post...You're not waiting for my list because I already posted it. Don't give me that crap. You've also said this before as well, even though I had posted the list RIGHT before then.
Webadict, we're still waiting for your list.
Still no time to chat, though.
My flavour role is Priest.
Is there anyone in your mind who is almost definitely town? Almost definitely scum? Who?And why?
I already made that list. Here it is again, in order of scumminess:Right, right...
1. Quinnr. I've not been on much lately, true, but he has been doing this the entire game.
2. Solifuge. Although most tells were from JaaSwb, can't really read solifuge yet.
3. GlyphGryph. Halmie was kind of inactive, but a lot more than the two above, and did some scumhunting.
4. webadict. Now this is a hard one. I believed the doctor claim, because who's going to read through all 35 pages to see if it had been claimed yet? Then he mentions that he did read all 35 pages. Which makes it less believable. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, for now.
How is Siquo scummy?Dude, if you haven't been listening...
He's been helping find scum the entire game. Even if we have voted off much town...
3. You overreacted on half-reading my post. Apparently you misread, as in that you were the most scummy one on the list. That made you nervous, and you act accordingly. That alone actually made you climb the list.
1. my list was in order of SCUMMINESS. That means quinnr tops my list of scum-suspects, you were on the bottom, therefore the most town-like, no reason to go all OMGUS on me. Note the word "were". This reaction is... See point 3. I suspect everyone on that list, just #1 a bit more than #2.Yeah, except that I already thought you were scum BEFORE today. I'm telling you, quinnr is town. He's dumb, but he's probably town.
2. You say you don't ignore the first few days, yet now I apparently never scumhunted? Perhaps you should read it again.
3. You overreacted on half-reading my post. Apparently you misread, as in that you were the most scummy one on the list. That made you nervous, and you act accordingly. That alone actually made you climb the list.
Ninja'd.Then find some proof on some people.
Seriously, webadict, all your arguments only relate to THIS DAY.
Solifuge strangely continues the JaaSwb manner of voting: Joining the bandwagon and not giving any reason as to why.
Really, are you all scum? I feel like the only townie in a church full of scum, and this game continuing is like a bad practical joke on me. But that's probably the paranoia again... :-\
Quinnr was #1, webadict was #4. Therefore, #4 can climb.Oh, no. I read the list top to bottom. It just didn't make any sense the way it was written.
webadict misread the list as if he was the most scummy on the list.
Really, am I speaking english? I try to.
Yeah, we get that you think I am the most scummy. His reply says that he thinks you are scummy for thinking I am scummy.I think you're scummy but not scum. But hey, it'd be nice if you talked more.
Sorry...I'll post more, alright?Sure. Like, why are you defending Siquo? He's saying you're the scummiest person here, and you're defending him. Why?
but I'll vote Boat if a lynch wont float.Can I translate that to "I'll bandwagon with anyone"? If so, why would you? And if not, what did you mean by that?
My current suspicion is that you're attempting to bus Quinnr, who happens to be scum. In the event that you are lynched and role-flip, you're hoping that the one whom you were most vocally suspicious of gets a reprieve.Not really. Quinnr has been posting the least of all. I got a major gut feeling about him. He promises to post more repeatedly, but doesn't. Why would he, if the biggest loudmouth proclaims him to be town? He's safe and snug, and has no reason to come out. That is why I voted him. And he still won't come out.
That or you're knowledgable of that tactic, and hoping that others come to that conclusion, and thereby save your actual scumbuddy from suspicion.
P.P.S. I don't have the ability to telepathically pick up on JaaSwb's habits, FYI. Calling suspicion on the fact that we happen to have found the same person suspicious is pretty ricockulous, and might be a good sign that there are external influences, IE Scumtells, that we mutually picked up on.External influences, indeed. Like a scumchat. Which is just as, if not more likely.
Let's put it this way: You're about to be lynched, but you're not nervous at all.My current suspicion is that you're attempting to bus Quinnr, who happens to be scum. In the event that you are lynched and role-flip, you're hoping that the one whom you were most vocally suspicious of gets a reprieve.Not really. Quinnr has been posting the least of all. I got a major gut feeling about him. He promises to post more repeatedly, but doesn't. Why would he, if the biggest loudmouth proclaims him to be town? He's safe and snug, and has no reason to come out. That is why I voted him. And he still won't come out.
That or you're knowledgable of that tactic, and hoping that others come to that conclusion, and thereby save your actual scumbuddy from suspicion.QuoteP.P.S. I don't have the ability to telepathically pick up on JaaSwb's habits, FYI. Calling suspicion on the fact that we happen to have found the same person suspicious is pretty ricockulous, and might be a good sign that there are external influences, IE Scumtells, that we mutually picked up on.External influences, indeed. Like a scumchat. Which is just as, if not more likely.
webadict's doctorclaim is still... kinda unsure. There does not need to be a doctor. It is a risky thing to claim though, as scum, but if it works, it works well. But why take that risk when you're this far already? Is that in the BigMafiaScumBook?
IC question: Roleclaiming is unknown territory for me. How does that work? How is this one?
Glyph, I said I had little time. I merely tried to cooperate with any requests. Also, you've been strangely absent, even when you're here. Are you even playing the same game as us? Your "attacks" and questions are indeed laughable, and in no way have you been able to get anything out of anyone. And come on, the only thing you have to say to me is Really?
Even as such, his analysis are generally trustworthy, as long as there is reason to suspect he is town. I believe the unrefuted Doctor claim counts as "reason to suspect he is town."
I still haven't read through this thing eitherDo it then - stop buddying webadict and riding on his coat tails and make some real arguments of your own. Maybe I have been hunting terribly like both of you claim - but at least I've been trying.
It's 5 to midnight here, and time to sleep. Just now I see that the day is almost over, and I'm about to be lynched. That would be bad, because town would lose. Getting nervous because I'm about to be lynched and lose tha game didn't ever help anyone. The only thing I can do now is post my final findings, since I'm off after this.... That's a big jump. I thought you thought quinnr was scum?
Dropping it all. Yes, I'm still hunting and yes, I've no real eveidence. I've been really wrong yesterday, and didn't want to make the same mistake again.
Quinnr's still refusing to come out and play, even after voting for him, and pressuring him. Him being defended by others didn't really help at all, but does say something about the defenders.
I believe webadict is the doctor, for now. This roleclaim really threw me, I'm not sure how to read that. Defending quinnr like that, and then calling him scummy, is awkward...
Quinnr is probably kinda town but goddamn annoyingly not active. Even when i tried pressure. Why?!
That leaves Solifuge and Glyph, of whom Solifuge has telled me the most.
Vote goes to Solifuge.
Siquo:He thinks it's you. I do too, since his last words seem to try to produce some sort of WIFOM. But, Solifuge can try and figure it out tomorrow.
I really don't like you're flipping on Quinnr's scumminess - Solifuge, god bless his scummy looking soul, actually made a decent a point. Why attack quinnr so hard and then not vote him? Perhaps because you don't actually want him lynched?
And I was very tempted to vote for solifuge as well... which would have given your scumbuddy the perfect opportunity to hammer.
And Siquo, why would you even suspect me at this point? Think for a second - if you were town, and I was scum, YOU. WOULD. BE. DEAD.
So, you think solifuge is scum - who do think is the second?
That or you're knowledgable of that tactic, and hoping that others come to that conclusion, and thereby save your actual scumbuddy from suspicion.That. What?
I was protecting Siquo because I don't think he is scum. He has been actively searching for scum the whole game (although we still haven't voted out a single scum, that is probably besides the point).Okay, now you're sounding legitimately scummy. It's like you don't care!
Even if he was attacking me, that doesn't make him scum.
However, him attacking me just to get me out of inactiveness would be considered semi-scummy in my book.
What, don't I get a "goodbye we'll miss you?!" ;)
Wubadict is dead.I did not see that comming. No sir. In honor of this most unexpected tragedy, I shall step in to provide teh flavor texts. Behold them.
You'll love this:I lol'd in class.
http://www.peterchimaera.com/doom.html
Is there any way we could get a prod on Quinnr, Vector?
What if we unvote before the one hour timer is up? Does it stop?Yes.
I'm not trying to persuade you to vote Glyph, I was just wondering why you thought Glyph was scummier before.That's a lie, quinnr.
Siquo has a point, actually.SirBayer points out the obvious buddying, Quinnr denies it and starts to attack SirBayer but without voting.
He has been an excellent scumhunter the entire game, and I can see where he is coming from.
Doesn't try to defend himself, doesn't attack anyone either. But unvotes webadict. Starts getting heavy pressure.QuoteWhy would you vote quinnr? How is he suspicious? Got any quotes?Siquo's vote was fully justified...I have been seemingly 'bandwagoning'
Siquo, the new charger is working good, thanks.
Ergo, I told ya.
WAIT WHAT?Ergo, I told ya.
Good for you. I just broke up with my boyfriend.
WAIT WHAT?Ergo, I told ya.
Good for you. I just broke up with my boyfriend.
What happened?!?
Right, I can understand why that would be a stressful situation to be in. I believe you need to release more anger. I can tell you're holding back.WAIT WHAT?Ergo, I told ya.
Good for you. I just broke up with my boyfriend.
What happened?!?
SEE ABOVE YOU IDIOT. I have two friends and one is the dude and one is the dude's brother, so I'm feeling SLIGHTLY TERRIBLE at the moment.
I am probably also bipolar. Found out on Friday.Firstly, glad you're staying, as are several other members.
I am probably also not leaving the forums. There is no good reason to do that, but my kneejerk reaction is to wall myself off (will not do that, since I recently discovered that I become suicidal when I have no one to talk to). I am just somewhat crazy at the moment. I may just finish the story so that I have something to do. I need something to do other than problem sets since I don't have any friends here and don't want to talk to either of those two for the next bit. He took up a lot of time, but now he's gone I'll have a lot of time for projects and so on.
;_;Is it wrong of me to think of several hooded figures in a circle chanting, "One Of Us," over and over again?
I'm sorry, Vector. Er, I would be sorry if I were responsible for that?
However that works. I am disappointed with reality. There.
Also, being bipolar... I don't know firsthand how bad it is, but I know secondhand - one of my close friends in high school is bipolar, and she... well, she had an episode during class one day, basically. She's stable on her prescription now, has published a book (in her freshman year at the college I wanted to go to) and is one of my greatest inspirations. You're not crazy, unless you count being crazy-awesome.
And what Webadict said is right. We may be hostile and overly aggressive jackasses within Mafia games, but you're One Of Us; we're concerned for you and we're here for you in whatever small capacity we can be.
And yes, I too am glad you've decided to stay with us. Like I said in iPick, there would be a mathematician-shaped hole in this forum without you. :c
Firstly, glad you're staying, as are several other members.QFT.
;_;Is it wrong of me to think of several hooded figures in a circle chanting, "One Of Us," over and over again?
I'm sorry, Vector. Er, I would be sorry if I were responsible for that?
However that works. I am disappointed with reality. There.
Also, being bipolar... I don't know firsthand how bad it is, but I know secondhand - one of my close friends in high school is bipolar, and she... well, she had an episode during class one day, basically. She's stable on her prescription now, has published a book (in her freshman year at the college I wanted to go to) and is one of my greatest inspirations. You're not crazy, unless you count being crazy-awesome.
And what Webadict said is right. We may be hostile and overly aggressive jackasses within Mafia games, but you're One Of Us; we're concerned for you and we're here for you in whatever small capacity we can be.
And yes, I too am glad you've decided to stay with us. Like I said in iPick, there would be a mathematician-shaped hole in this forum without you. :c
But, yeah. This and more.
Or rather... Panda, Panda. You create cults everywhere you go.
Bleh. I was going to write up a nice, long response to all of you, and then I had to withdraw from university because I was being too crazy.Temporarily, I hope?
Bleh. I was going to write up a nice, long response to all of you, and then I had to withdraw from university because I was being too crazy.Temporarily, I hope?
Wow, that's pretty cool. As usual I'll have trouble rectifying it with the mental image I build up of each mafia player here.
Yaaay.I know someone that goes there too. Likewise.
Vector, you go to Berkeley you said, right? Describe yourself some time and I'll make one of my friends say "Hi" to you or me, an act which will likely confuse you both. :P
Wow, that's pretty cool. As usual I'll have trouble rectifying it with the mental image I build up of each mafia player here.... I want to know what I look like.
I'll try getting some drawings down... hmm. Essentially you end up as a combination of any physical description you've made and random inferences drawn from mafia play.
I would be highly entertained to hear/see what I look like in your minds.Awesome gunslinger penguin.
I would be highly entertained to hear/see what I look like in your minds.
I would be highly entertained to hear/see what I look like in your minds.
You speak precisely and have several nervous habits which pop up from time to time, though mostly you act lazy and as though you don't care. For some reason I also end up thinking you have curly brown hair, and that you're fairly thin.
I would be highly entertained to hear/see what I look like in your minds.
You speak precisely and have several nervous habits which pop up from time to time, though mostly you act lazy and as though you don't care. For some reason I also end up thinking you have curly brown hair, and that you're fairly thin.
DAMN you're good at this. Very dark brown hair (almost black) but technically brown.
But yeah, I tend towards a mix of BuffySpeak and high-precision juxtaposed 'cause I find it entertaining; the nervous habits are probably related to my OCD (hell, in real life I have to have my hands in almost constant motion).
But yeah. Nice.
I'll try getting some drawings down... hmm. Essentially you end up as a combination of any physical description you've made and random inferences drawn from mafia play.... So I look like a god?
I would be highly entertained to hear/see what I look like in your minds.Oh, yeah, so you get your answered but mine. Psh. No.
I would be highly entertained to hear/see what I look like in your minds.
Webadict is Captain Keyes from Halo, uniform and all, except with a small gold crown. The sort of crown that, instead of demanding respect, merely represents respect which is already earned and received.Pre- or post-Flood?
Webadict is Captain Keyes from Halo, uniform and all, except with a small gold crown. The sort of crown that, instead of demanding respect, merely represents respect which is already earned and received.Pre- or post-Flood?
Webadict, King of the Flood, has won!Webadict is Captain Keyes from Halo, uniform and all, except with a small gold crown. The sort of crown that, instead of demanding respect, merely represents respect which is already earned and received.Pre- or post-Flood?
I don't think flood biomass is official UNSC uniform. Though it would explain the ridiculous numbers of human-flood running about!
Also, good luck putting a crown on that monstrosity.
I would be highly entertained to hear/see what I look like in your minds.
You're a tall figure in brown leather, wearing a hood from which a single red light glows. And you have a small concealed pistol in your jacket. You're standing in a dead forest at night, on a mound of dirt. There's a full moon in the background that you were facing, before turning your head to look at me.
That's the image I get, anyway. Apparently I don't see you as a penguin at all!
Vector, I saw as British for some reason. Also a pile of fruit. I don't think you're actually British, not sure where that came from, maybe because you're so literary?
Siquo just looks like Invader Zim, except smart. A smart Invader Zim is very scary to think about.
Webadict is Captain Keyes from Halo, uniform and all, except with a small gold crown. The sort of crown that, instead of demanding respect, merely represents respect which is already earned and received.
quinnr is an invisible ghost (:
Solifuge looks like me, clean-shaven and with a beret.
I have no idea what SHAD0Wdump looks like, despite RTD'ing with him.
Um so, what do I look like? (:
Solifuge looks like me, clean-shaven and with a beret.
Solifuge is a stone wall, made of olivine.
Don't know other folks here well enough to have a mental image yet, though.I'm clearly not known enough! I must spread my influence via creepy brooding actions...
Close. I'm less short, less surly, less comfortable, and less round glasses. But still, you got close.Solifuge looks like me, clean-shaven and with a beret.Solifuge is a stone wall, made of olivine.
Sorry to dissapoint, but I'm actually a cobalt glass window sporting a tricorn hat and a goatee, so neither of you were correct (hint: one or more of these may not be true). Still, its interesting how we think about the nebulous concepts of people we only know via the web.
In my mind's eye, Webadict is short and surly, dresses comfortably, and furrows his brow behind roundish glasses. Pandarsenic is lanky, with mid-length hair, a dark t-shirt, and occasionally a wry grin and a fedora. Vector is bohemian and scholarly, in faded pastelles, sandals, and a large, yellow-paged tome.
Don't know other folks here well enough to have a mental image yet, though.
Now I can see you as nothing other than a furrowed brow...MY BROW IS FURROWED LIKE NONE OTHER!
I look like your mother, insofar as I am in fact your mother.You're not my real mom!
IT'S BEDTIME ALL OF YOU
I look like your mother, insofar as I am in fact your mother.You're not my real mom!
IT'S BEDTIME ALL OF YOU
I don't believe it. Vector is a lying Necromancer.
Woah what really?
Huzzah! Tie those loose ends!
But seriously, I really liked the story that was unfolding, and you write quite well. I'm looking forward to it!
PUNS!
Get thee to a punnery!
My apologies to Jean-Paul Sartre and Nietzsche. Love you, dudes. More apologies to Victor Hugo =/ I mean, loads of them. You must be seriously spinning in your grave right now. Infinite apologies to the creators of LOST, for I am sure my viewing of that particular program influenced the theme of this conversation.
Suddenly, I'm reminded of the latest Dresden Codak (http://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/03/dark-science-01/) arc:
"I've connected their remains to my Thanatropic Generator, which essentially converts posthumous indignity into clean energy! If sufficiently disgusted, an author's spinning corpse can produce over 400 megajoules per grievance."
Anywho, I think I caught the new flavor bits. The death of the priest was... disturbing, to say the least, but some excellent writing. I guess Mafia is a pretty horrible, horrible game when taken literally.
._.
The Prince as a Shakespeare reference made me quite happy... I loved how you presented him, too. The phrase "Terminal Logorrhea" is ridiculously full of win, but the whole package is just a great piece of irreverent satire. Highest Kudos. Voltaire would be proud.Spoiler: Quinnr the Prince (click to show/hide)
And How!
Just read it all, and was reminded of how dirty this game made me feel.
The theme of "Man like other men". Two possibilities:
1. As the men who say this are usually evil, hell, almost every man in the story is evil, and the author is NOT a man, this is obviously feminist propaganda.
2. Gay.
I'd actually figured Pandar's character was a sort of "Devil" stand in... a tempter and corrupter, in the traditions of Faust/other European Folklore (I could see a Horseman too). I really dug Aureliusz's character as well... he ended up being a nice Foil for the Dakarian/Pandarsenic duo, while they each played off one another's traits as well. I did think his emotional moment felt a bit out of character to me... but I think I'd just come to expect more lightheartedness from him. they were a great way to set up and maintain the "Story within a Story" feel though, which works surprisingly well for Mafia. I do think that the story could have used a more sympathetic scoundrel, though. It was tough to relate to Dakarian and Pandar's characters, since they were basically Paragons of Bipolar Alignment.
-Compliments-
-More compliments-
men of science
men of science
You just gave me a brilliant idea for a flavor-heavy themed mafia to run after BYOT.
So expect it around this time next year.
9 months or so.
9 months or so.
I'm pregnant with tropes.
I don't usually read mafia games; I much prefer meta-discussion about the games themselves. The analysis of how and why people acted the way they did fascinates me.
This game, however, I read with the intention of familiarizing myself with the participants of Pandarsenic's Trope Mafia, though soon I found myself utterly enrapt in the flavor you've written. The characters and their backstories were of such quality that I read the entire thread in a single sitting. I suspect it's due to the procedural nature of the tale -- from the outset, neither the players nor the writer knew the outcome; the descriptions of the lynchings in particular, while gruesome at times (and necessarily so!) crawled beneath my skin and the imagery they evoke is truly haunting. I rather hope I'll be able to write as well as you do someday, and I eagerly await your next venture.
*repeat of all praise here, as it's all true*
When you do decide to run another like this, please count me in!
that would hit the spot, yeah. assuming there's enough games to go 'round :p