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Title: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: piecewise on April 25, 2010, 09:40:06 pm

To those uninitiated I grant you the time destroying artifact known as Tvtropes to fill you in
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharacterAlignment

As a sister thread to the political compass survey I decided to see where everyone stood in on the moral and ethical...slide rule or whatever you want to call it. And then we can compare the results of this survey with the results of the other and see which political alignment is most evil (I'm betting on republican for lawful evil and democrat from chaotic evil).
Here's the test.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20001222b

To those who feel like taking other personality tests rather then this one, try here
http://similarminds.com/
As for myself, I got True Neutral

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Neutral.

Neutral

A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn’t feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most neutrality is a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil. After all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she’s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way. Some neutral characters, on the other hand, commit themselves philosophically to neutrality. They see good, evil, law, and chaos as prejudices and dangerous extremes. They advocate the middle way of neutrality as the best, most balanced road in the long run. The common phrase for neutral is "true neutral." Neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion.

I'm also Personality type INTP or Architect

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Rational Portrait of the Architect (INTP)

Architects need not be thought of as only interested in drawing blueprints for buildings or roads or bridges. They are the master designers of all kinds of theoretical systems, including school curricula, corporate strategies, and new technologies. For Architects, the world exists primarily to be analyzed, understood, explained – and re-designed. External reality in itself is unimportant, little more than raw material to be organized into structural models. What is important for Architects is that they grasp fundamental principles and natural laws, and that their designs are elegant, that is, efficient and coherent.


Architects are rare – maybe one percent of the population – and show the greatest precision in thought and speech of all the types. They tend to see distinctions and inconsistencies instantaneously, and can detect contradictions no matter when or where they were made. It is difficult for an Architect to listen to nonsense, even in a casual conversation, without pointing out the speaker’s error. And in any serious discussion or debate Architects are devastating, their skill in framing arguments giving them an enormous advantage. Architects regard all discussions as a search for understanding, and believe their function is to eliminate inconsistencies, which can make communication with them an uncomfortable experience for many.


Ruthless pragmatists about ideas, and insatiably curious, Architects are driven to find the most efficient means to their ends, and they will learn in any manner and degree they can. They will listen to amateurs if their ideas are useful, and will ignore the experts if theirs are not. Authority derived from office, credential, or celebrity does not impress them. Architects are interested only in what make sense, and thus only statements that are consistent and coherent carry any weight with them.


Architects often seem difficult to know. They are inclined to be shy except with close friends, and their reserve is difficult to penetrate. Able to concentrate better than any other type, they prefer to work quietly at their computers or drafting tables, and often alone. Architects also become obsessed with analysis, and this can seem to shut others out. Once caught up in a thought process, Architects close off and persevere until they comprehend the issue in all its complexity. Architects prize intelligence, and with their grand desire to grasp the structure of the universe, they can seem arrogant and may show impatience with others who have less ability, or who are less driven.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ein on April 25, 2010, 09:48:03 pm

Before I take the test, I usually score CG, CN, or NG.

Scored Chaotic Good this time.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Chaotic Good

A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he’s kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society. Chaotic good is the best alignment you can be because it combines a good heart with a free spirit.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 25, 2010, 09:51:45 pm

I think I got Neutral Good. Or Lawful Neutral or whatever.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: SIGVARDR on April 25, 2010, 09:56:34 pm

I got Lawful neutral.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 25, 2010, 10:09:29 pm

I got Neutral as well. ',=\

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Strife26 on April 25, 2010, 10:15:44 pm

Gah. It isn't a good idea to take a test like this after thinking about how Strife would act in a situation. About half suited the character and half of my answers suited me. I took the test twice more, once for myself, once for the fictional character.

I scored:
Lawful Good

A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. She combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. She tells the truth, keeps her word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished. Lawful good is the best alignment you can be because it combines honor and compassion.


Annoyingly enough, I realized that Strife's planned character development tends to change what some of his answers would be. I think that I tended towards later periods of said development. In any case, he scored:
Neutral Good

A neutral good character does the best that a good person can do. He is devoted to helping others. He works with kings and magistrates but does not feel beholden to them. The common phrase for neutral good is "true good." Neutral good is the best alignment you can be because it means doing what is good without bias toward or against order.



I'm not very surprised at either option, and I think that they both fit.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Vester on April 25, 2010, 10:22:47 pm

<--- see text under avatar.

"Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Lawful Good.

Lawful Good

A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. She combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. She tells the truth, keeps her word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished. Lawful good is the best alignment you can be because it combines honor and compassion.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6"

Not that surprised, of course.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Pwnzerfaust on April 25, 2010, 10:31:57 pm

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Lawful Neutral.

Lawful Neutral

A lawful neutral character acts as law, tradition, or a personal code directs her. Order and organization are paramount to her. She may believe in personal order and live by a code or standard, or she may believe in order for all and favor a strong, organized government. The common phrase for lawful neutral is "true lawful." Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 25, 2010, 10:38:08 pm

I'm Lawful Good, With a hate for bad laws. :P

Yeah, not much of a surprise since most game characters I play end up lawful/good.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: piecewise on April 25, 2010, 10:41:30 pm

Huh, no evil yet. Interesting.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Rilder on April 25, 2010, 10:45:17 pm

True Neutral, though I see myself as Chaotic Neutral.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: smjjames on April 25, 2010, 11:04:54 pm

Mine came up Neutral Good.

Although personally it would be a bit more on the chaotic side as I have a bit of a rebellious streak, sometimes. The mix of lawful and rebellious choices probably put me smack in the middle.

In fact, the characters that I play are often rebels of some kind.

I'm seeing alot of people going for some combination of good and neutral.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Strife26 on April 25, 2010, 11:06:43 pm

Honestly, I see people in general as being Neutral good.

We waver between liking and challenging authority, yet I'd trust most people to do the right thing most of the time.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Muz on April 25, 2010, 11:07:12 pm

I got neutral good, but was a little worried I'd get LG. But I tend on the chaotic side a bit, so that makes sense. Hah, most of my characters end up NG too.

Quote from: piecewise on April 25, 2010, 10:41:30 pm

Huh, no evil yet. Interesting.

All the evil ones got banned :P

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: smjjames on April 25, 2010, 11:08:29 pm

Quote from: Strife26 on April 25, 2010, 11:06:43 pm

Honestly, I see people in general as being Neutral good.

We waver between liking and challenging authority, yet I'd trust most people to do the right thing most of the time.

Probably describes many Americans nicely.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Lord Dakoth on April 25, 2010, 11:25:08 pm

Neutral good. Pretty much what I expected.

Quote from: piecewise on April 25, 2010, 10:41:30 pm

Huh, no evil yet. Interesting.

WHERE IS WORKERDRONE WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Itnetlolor on April 25, 2010, 11:26:11 pm

Last I recall, I marked myself as a Lawful Neutral, but as time passed I think I have changed a tad.

I'll edit my post after I take the test. Aaaaand done.

Hypothesis/Previous Result: Lawful Neutral
Current Result: Chaotic Neutral (That's one hell of a 'tad')

Spoiler: Description (click to show/hide)

Chaotic Neutral

A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn’t strive to protect others’ freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. The chaotic neutral character does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from himself suffer). The common phrase for chaotic neutral is "true chaotic." Remember that the chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it. Chaotic neutral is the best alignment you can be because it represents true freedom both from society’s restrictions and from a do-gooder’s zeal.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

EDIT:
-Regarding king and country... my loyalties may be slipping a tad these recent days. Simply, I don't give a crap.
-Also regarding how I've been feeling about my job lately, I had to do some renegotiating in order to suit me better. Fortunately, they didn't mind.

I'm not as much a goody-two-shoes as I used to be (almost sickeningly lawful good back in my childhood). Nowadays, I think I'd make a good pirate provided the means to do/be so.

BTW, anybody keeping count of how many of each alignment?

EDIT EDIT:
I love the characters listed under my alignment. If anything, I'm best compared to Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes. Just as funny, I made a Jayne Cobb quote reference in another thread in response to what it was about. I like this alignment, it's most entertaining. I love being a screwball. I think all the animals around my house also qualify as this alignment as well. Hell, a snake was near my car before I left for work today and didn't care that I was a foot away from it before I noticed it.

Personally, I kinda wish I was more like this in my earlier years. Maybe then I could've gotten more of the stuff I wanted back then. But if God has other plans for me, so be it; just as long as it doesn't take too much away from my happiness. I've been enough a beast of burden of nonstop crap for long enough. I do have limits after all.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ein on April 25, 2010, 11:27:10 pm

Quote from: Lord Dakoth on April 25, 2010, 11:25:08 pm

WHERE IS WORKERDRONE WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

I always figured he was just chaotic neutral.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 25, 2010, 11:31:01 pm

Hmm, what about Squeegy?

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 25, 2010, 11:37:43 pm

I am Chaotic Good. Interesting.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Pwnzerfaust on April 25, 2010, 11:40:10 pm

Being Lawful Neutral was actually a surprise for me. Here I was thinking I was good...

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Vector on April 26, 2010, 12:22:56 am

Lawful neutral.  I was worried I was going to end up evil, to be honest.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Itnetlolor on April 26, 2010, 12:53:40 am

Quote from: Vector on April 26, 2010, 12:22:56 am

Lawful neutral.  I was worried I was going to end up evil, to be honest.

I think I have bordered that a few times mostly out of frustration (Neutral Evil. Cause: being too damn nice for too damn long, and getting sick of it (oft the bane of trying to get a date)). Having been close to turning over to the dark side a few times, I re-imagined Hell to end up being more like a production studio with all the nightmarish fire and brimstone and etc. being visible from windows, but indoors indoors is flourescant, air conditioned, and casual, smelling more like coffee if anything. Even the gruffest, most twisted, and outright horrifying looking of demons are actually refined and rather normal people "just doing their job". Who'd ever think being a tormentor would be a voluntary position?

Me: "Rough past? Resident school punching bag?"
&: :sips coffee: "Yep."
Me: "Circle of life man, circle of life."

EDIT:
For some apparent reason the Devil from "Lucy: Daughter of the Devil" comes to mind.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Calhoun on April 26, 2010, 01:06:34 am

Chaotic Neutral. Always,

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Vector on April 26, 2010, 01:10:11 am

Yeah... I think I end up more in the Chaotic Introverted category after a certain point, which can be either neutral or evil depending on how much I feel the need to get away.  It's mostly frustration for me, too.

People are really quite complicated, it seems.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: piecewise on April 26, 2010, 01:26:16 am

Quote from: Vector on April 26, 2010, 01:10:11 am

Yeah... I think I end up more in the Chaotic Introverted category after a certain point, which can be either neutral or evil depending on how much I feel the need to get away.  It's mostly frustration for me, too.

People are really quite complicated, it seems.

People are only complicated in their simplicity

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Vester on April 26, 2010, 01:33:58 am

Quote from: Lord Dakoth on April 25, 2010, 11:25:08 pm

Neutral good. Pretty much what I expected.

Quote from: piecewise on April 25, 2010, 10:41:30 pm

Huh, no evil yet. Interesting.

WHERE IS WORKERDRONE WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

WorkerDrone is Chaotic Angry.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Rashilul on April 26, 2010, 01:37:55 am

Chaotic neutral. Very chaotic neutral.

I put the chaotic in neutral.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Aqizzar on April 26, 2010, 02:36:44 am

This same test was linked to for a thread about a year ago, but it's buried in Various Nonsense.  I remember me and umiman were the only ones to get "Chaotic Evil", or least were willing to advertise the fact.

Spoiler: Guess what happened this time? (click to show/hide)

Chaotic Evil

A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable. If simply out for whatever he can get, he is ruthless and brutal. If he is committed to the spread of evil and chaos, he is even worse. Thankfully, his plans are haphazard, and any groups he joins or forms are poorly organized. Typically, chaotic evil people can only be made to work together by force, and their leader lasts only as long as he can thwart attempts to topple or assassinate him. The demented sorcerer pursuing mad schemes of vengeance and havoc is chaotic evil. Chaotic evil is sometimes called "demonic" because demons are the epitome of chaotic evil. Chaotic evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents the destruction not only of beauty and life but of the order on which beauty and life depend.

I'll admit I was answering the questions a little more snidely than I know I would act in real situations (having been in almost all of them before), but it's what's in the heart that counts, right?  If I had to explain it, I'd say I'm more opportunistic than purely generous, and while I find myself defending the establishment out of necessity from time to time, ultimately I trust no authority or judgment but my own.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Vester on April 26, 2010, 02:38:26 am

...

I'll admit I expected Evil (at least by the test's standards), but not Chaotic.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 26, 2010, 02:46:40 am

Quote from: Vester on April 26, 2010, 02:38:26 am

...

I'll admit I expected Evil (at least by the test's standards), but not Chaotic.

I didn't evil, or Chaotic. Janet, yes to both. But Aqizzar? No.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Aqizzar on April 26, 2010, 02:53:03 am

Quote from: Tarran on April 26, 2010, 02:46:40 am

Quote from: Vester on April 26, 2010, 02:38:26 am

I'll admit I expected Evil (at least by the test's standards), but not Chaotic.

I didn't evil, or Chaotic. Janet, yes to both. But Aqizzar? No.

I know?  Crazy, isn't it? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=42204.msg832364#msg832364)

Like I said, it's not that I have a problem with authorities in general, I don't trust any rule I don't understand or agree with, which is most of them.  In the words of my father, who's probably more chaotic evil than me, "rules are for people who can't figure things out on their own".  I love the law, when it works for me, and I hate it when I run afoul of it.  Further, no authority is sacred; nor beyond my desire to profit from, however just that authority may be.  I'd tear down any nation if I thought I could prop my own rule up in its place; if I can seat myself atop an existing structure, so much the easier.  But even when I am in charge of something, if someone else breaks my rules, I'm not overly concerned about it.  If it's inconsequential, I say, "meh, let'em; obviously the rules weren't important there".  And if they do it in an impressive way, I'm likely to say, "good show lads," and let them enjoy the victory.

Then I'd crush them, out of spite.  Can't let people think I don't care, because that's no law at all.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Vester on April 26, 2010, 02:55:03 am

Barons. They're always up to something.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jreengus on April 26, 2010, 03:38:25 am

Although I didn't take the test I see myself as Lawful Evil, I tend to be selfish but I obey pretty much all laws or rules in a given situation.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cheeetar on April 26, 2010, 04:42:46 am

True Neutral.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 26, 2010, 05:02:39 am

Yeah, I retook the test and got Neutral Good. No surprises there. I quite like Neutral Good though.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Akigagak on April 26, 2010, 05:03:40 am

Chaotic neutral, probably because I went for the 'I hate/distrust religion' answers when the came up.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Pathos on April 26, 2010, 05:32:45 am

Spoiler: Lawful Evil (click to show/hide)

A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard to whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order, but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules, but without mercy or compassion. He is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but he is willing to serve. He condemns others not according to their actions but according to race, religion, homeland, or social rank. He is loath to break laws or promises. This reluctance is partly because of his nature and partly because he depends on order to protect himself from those who oppose him on moral grounds. Some lawful evil villains have particular taboos, such as not killing in cold blood (but having underlings do it) or not letting children come to harm (if it can be helped). They imagine that these compunctions put them above unprincipled villains. The scheming baron who expands his power and exploits his people is lawful evil. Some lawful evil people and creatures are committed to evil with a zeal like that of a crusader committed to good. Beyond being willing to hurt others for their own ends, they take pleasure in spreading evil as an end unto itself. They may also see doing evil as part of a duty to an evil deity or master. Lawful evil is sometimes called "diabolical" because devils are the epitome of lawful evil. Lawful evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents methodical, intentional, and frequently successful evil.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Lawful Evil, huh. Would've preferred neutral evil, but who cares?

I think this test is fairly hard to get "right". I retook it again and go Chaotic Evil, with just a few minor question changes.

Spoiler: Chaotic Evil (click to show/hide)

A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable. If simply out for whatever he can get, he is ruthless and brutal. If he is committed to the spread of evil and chaos, he is even worse. Thankfully, his plans are haphazard, and any groups he joins or forms are poorly organized. Typically, chaotic evil people can only be made to work together by force, and their leader lasts only as long as he can thwart attempts to topple or assassinate him. The demented sorcerer pursuing mad schemes of vengeance and havoc is chaotic evil. Chaotic evil is sometimes called "demonic" because demons are the epitome of chaotic evil. Chaotic evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents the destruction not only of beauty and life but of the order on which beauty and life depend.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 26, 2010, 05:54:53 am

Chaotic Neutral. WHUT?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn’t strive to protect others’ freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. The chaotic neutral character does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from himself suffer). The common phrase for chaotic neutral is "true chaotic." Remember that the chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it. Chaotic neutral is the best alignment you can be because it represents true freedom both from society’s restrictions and from a do-gooder’s zeal.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: warhammer651 on April 26, 2010, 06:09:39 am

True neutral

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Neutral

A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn’t feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most neutrality is a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil. After all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she’s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way. Some neutral characters, on the other hand, commit themselves philosophically to neutrality. They see good, evil, law, and chaos as prejudices and dangerous extremes. They advocate the middle way of neutrality as the best, most balanced road in the long run. The common phrase for neutral is "true neutral." Neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jude on April 26, 2010, 08:06:37 am

I got lawful good but IRL I'm probably closer to Neutral good or even chaotic good, depending on what issue.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 26, 2010, 08:34:21 am

True Neutral, that's boring.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: bjlong on April 26, 2010, 08:36:42 am

Neutral Good

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Boksi on April 26, 2010, 09:31:37 am

Lawful Good or Neutral Good, depending on my mood when I take the test.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Myroc on April 26, 2010, 09:58:11 am

The test stated me as Chaotic Neutral. I'd say I'm border-lining on Chaotic Evil here.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: CrossBolt on April 26, 2010, 10:24:56 am

Chaotic neutral, which is the same as me in real life

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 26, 2010, 10:25:52 am

Quote from: Myroc on April 26, 2010, 09:58:11 am

The test stated me as Chaotic Neutral. I'd say I'm border-lining on Chaotic Evil here.

That's only what the Man wants you to believe, bro.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: smigenboger on April 26, 2010, 10:42:47 am

Neutral, usually on the side of not negatively affecting others, but not fighting for a bias. I'm not better than others, I just look better than them

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Pathos on April 26, 2010, 10:44:15 am

This needs a poll so we can see a summary.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: piecewise on April 26, 2010, 10:47:38 am

Quote from: Cthulhu on April 26, 2010, 08:34:21 am

True Neutral, that's boring.

Makes sense though, since all you lovecraftian horrors have such inhuman morals as to be undefinible by our pathetic moral codes.

Quote from: Pathos on April 26, 2010, 10:44:15 am

This needs a poll so we can see a summary.

I don't think I can add one now can it?

Also, gonna throw out this website with other personality tests just for fun. Feel free to post results here too
http://similarminds.com/

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: TheDarkJay on April 26, 2010, 12:18:22 pm

Quote

Neutral - A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn’t feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most neutrality is a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil. After all, she would rather have good neighbours and rulers than evil ones. Still, she’s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way. Some neutral characters, on the other hand, commit themselves philosophically to neutrality. They see good, evil, law, and chaos as prejudices and dangerous extremes. They advocate the middle way of neutrality as the best, most balanced road in the long run. The common phrase for neutral is "true neutral." Neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion.

Pfft, everyone knows morality is just an abstract concept that does not really exist. right and wrong actions exist as far as some actions are more overall beneficial than others, and the Buddhists got it wrong: Logic and reason, the ability to make decisions, observe situations and draw conclusions entirely free of emotion or presupposition is true enlightenment. Have I achieved this? Hell no. Will I ever? Hell no. Should we stop trying? Hell no.

And that's my world view ^^

I hate a lot of these questions. Like in that other not-D&D one for example "114) My own happiness and success are more important than the happiness and success of others.", well they are more important to me than anyone elses (it's my life I'm living), but I recognise in the grand scheme of it all they are as unimportant as everyone elses...So what answer do I give? :S

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: piecewise on April 26, 2010, 12:24:04 pm

Quote from: TheDarkJay on April 26, 2010, 12:18:22 pm

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Neutral - A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn’t feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most neutrality is a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil. After all, she would rather have good neighbours and rulers than evil ones. Still, she’s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way. Some neutral characters, on the other hand, commit themselves philosophically to neutrality. They see good, evil, law, and chaos as prejudices and dangerous extremes. They advocate the middle way of neutrality as the best, most balanced road in the long run. The common phrase for neutral is "true neutral." Neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion.

Pfft, everyone knows morality is just an abstract concept that does not really exist.


I hate a lot of these questions. Like in that other not-D&D one for example "114) My own happiness and success are more important than the happiness and success of others.", well they are more important to me than anyone elses (it's my life I'm living), but I recognise in the grand scheme of it all they are as unimportant as everyone elses...So what answer do I give? :S

Yeah, some of the questions seem pretty off at times, but you have to remember that sometimes those questions are not about what they seem to be about. That question for instance more then likely expects you to extrapolate out like you did and as such it's answers are based more on forcing you to make a very cut and dry decision in a nebulous circumstance.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Vector on April 26, 2010, 12:24:16 pm

Spoiler: Cattell 16-factor (click to show/hide)

Warmth     |||     10%
Intellect    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    82%
Emotional Stability    |||    10%
Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Liveliness    |||    10%
Dutifulness    |||||||||||||||||||||    62%
Social Assertiveness    ||||||    14%
Sensitivity    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||||||    58%
Abstractness    |||||||||||||||    50%
Introversion    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    74%
Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Openmindedness    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Independence    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Perfectionism    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Tension    |||||||||||||||||||||    62%

Spoiler: Advanced global (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||||||     30%
Stability    ||||    16%
Orderliness    ||||||||||||    43%
Accommodation    ||||    16%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Interdependence    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Mystical    ||||||||||    40%
Materialism    ||||||    30%
Narcissism    ||||||    30%
Adventurousness    ||    10%
Work ethic    ||||||    30%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||    40%
Need to dominate    ||||    20%
Romantic    ||||||    30%
Avoidant    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||    50%
Wealth     ||||     20%
Dependency    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Change averse    ||||    20%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Individuality    ||    10%
Sexuality    ||    10%
Peter pan complex    ||    10%
Histrionic    ||||||||||    40%
Vanity    ||||||    30%
Artistic    ||||    20%
Hedonism    ||    10%
Physical fitness    ||||||||||||||    60%
Religious    ||||    20%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Hypersensitivity    ||||    16%
Indie    ||    10%

Hmm... I've changed a good deal over the past year or two.  I hope I'll be able to change back to the person I used to be, or at least somewhere near it.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Iapetus on April 26, 2010, 12:35:31 pm

I tend to get wildly different results in alignment tests, depending on what mood I'm in and what I think a particular question means at the time.  And thats just with the same test done on different days.

"Wildly different" as in anywhere from LN to CG.

I also find it amusing when they also calculate your race, as if a large proportion of those taking the test are somehow not "proper" humans.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: darkflagrance on April 26, 2010, 12:39:44 pm

Neutral, probably because I picked stuff from both ends of the spectrum and it averaged out.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Hungry on April 26, 2010, 12:52:13 pm

hum it said chaotic evil =P

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Kebooo on April 26, 2010, 01:53:13 pm

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Neutral.

As the divine unicorn, I must stay impartial. 

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Akigagak on April 26, 2010, 02:09:30 pm

@Aqizzar: That sounds like a good description of CE, better than what it usually is in games, which is 'rawr I attack them'.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: druid91 on April 26, 2010, 02:29:21 pm

I ended up with neutral evil, How is looking out for yourself evil?

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Akigagak on April 26, 2010, 02:38:24 pm

Neutral Evil is more than willing to hurt other people to get ahead or stay alive, and will take that option over most others.

True Neutral is less than willing, and will only do so when there is no other option.

Neutral Good will never hurt someone to keep themselves alive.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: druid91 on April 26, 2010, 02:43:44 pm

Quote from: Akigagak on April 26, 2010, 02:38:24 pm

Neutral Evil is more than willing to hurt other people to get ahead or stay alive, and will take that option over most others.

True Neutral is less than willing, and will only do so when there is no other option.

Neutral Good will never hurt someone to keep themselves alive.

Hmm interesting, must re-read players handbook once I get home.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 26, 2010, 03:04:28 pm

Another thing; (From the mind of a lawful, mind you.)

Lawful = Stays within laws and rules. And expects others to stay within them too. Except for the worst of laws. Lawful characters ideals in short; Justice.

Neutral = Stays within laws and rules when they are right, Ignores them when it seems like it it would be good for them. Neutral characters ideals in short; Middle point.

Chaotic = Opposes law and order, you could say that they don't really care about justice. They get the job done how they want to. Chaotic characters ideals in short; Freedom from oppression and rules.

So, for example: A Lawful Evil means someone who, while evil, respects the rules of the game. A Chaotic Evil means someone who does the game however they want. A Lawful Good means someone who upholds justice, often respecting the rules more then most of all the other alignments. A Chaotic Good means someone, while good, plays however they want, Slightly more respecting to the rules then Chaotic evil, whether they like it or not (due to being good).

These are just a few examples.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Zangi on April 26, 2010, 05:48:13 pm

Neutral...   I don't get this 'True' Neutral thing people speak of.    Its description is so... confining. 
What is this seeking balance and taking no sides garbage I see under the AD&D description on Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29#Neutral)? 
The TV Tropes description (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrueNeutral) uses basically the same.  'True' Neutral Comes in two flavors: Keeping the Balance (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil) and Just Doesn't Care (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SomebodyElsesProblem). 

We are no arbitrators to this world.  We do what we must.  Driven by the next paycheck, by one's empathy, by what one believes, by what one wants... 

And if there is no reason or drive to do anything for any side, that is when a true neutral does not take a side....


...  The presence of TV Tropes... just blunts the whole meaning of what I just ranted.  Oh well.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Luke_Prowler on April 26, 2010, 06:50:47 pm

I'm Lawful Stupid. PURGE THE HERETIC!

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: zchris13 on April 26, 2010, 07:30:05 pm

Chaotic Neutral.  Funny, I'll have to retake that quiz.  I always think of myself more as a chaotic good sort of person.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: piecewise on April 26, 2010, 08:12:47 pm

Quote from: zchris13 on April 26, 2010, 07:30:05 pm

Chaotic Neutral.  Funny, I'll have to retake that quiz.  I always think of myself more as a chaotic good sort of person.

neutral can still be good, he's just not obsessed with it. Chaotic neutral can be a good Samaritan while chaotic good is more of a freedom fighter.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Renault on April 26, 2010, 08:17:04 pm

Neutral. Hmm. Interesting.
"Does what seems to be a good idea." You know, that sounds pretty smart, I can roll with that.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: SIGVARDR on April 26, 2010, 08:38:27 pm

I found it to be interesting,but the choices could have had a bit more variety.as i said earlier,i got lawful neutral,which i thought accurate.But most of the non-lawful choices didn't make sense,or simply were in no way lucrative enough to consider.
The questions about kingdoms seemed to be a big factor,as one different answer led to neutral instead of lawful,versus answering differently a lot elsewhere to no effect.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: qwertyuiopas on April 26, 2010, 09:29:44 pm

LN: seems typically Canadian.
(ADoM: causing the use of the abbreviated form, even long after you stopped playing regularily)

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: quinnr on April 26, 2010, 10:20:20 pm

I am too lazy, but I would get neutral, true probably.
I don't care about anything right now...

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Lord Dakoth on April 27, 2010, 12:15:12 am

Quote from: quinnr on April 26, 2010, 10:20:20 pm

I am too lazy, but I would get neutral, true probably.
I don't care about anything right now...

True Neutral, also known as Neutral Lazy.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 12:27:33 am

Always remember that your actions determine your alignment, not the other way around.  Remembering that is one step to never being That Guy.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Pathos on April 27, 2010, 12:31:44 am

Quote from: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 12:27:33 am

Always remember that your actions determine your alignment, not the other way around.  Remembering that is one step to never being That Guy.

Cthulhu is incapable of taking the test, for obvious reasons.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 12:32:21 am

I already took it, I was True Neutral.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Pathos on April 27, 2010, 12:33:57 am

Quote from: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 12:32:21 am

I already took it, I was True Neutral.

You sadden me with your "whoosh-over-my-head"-edness.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Lord Dakoth on April 27, 2010, 12:46:59 am

I am surprised that no one has turned up Evil yet.
Or they're just not posting it...

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ein on April 27, 2010, 12:48:29 am

Quote from: Lord Dakoth on April 27, 2010, 12:46:59 am

I am surprised that no one has turned up Evil yet.
Or they're just not posting it...

Have you... not read the thread?
Aqizzar got evil.
And Pathos.
And probably somebody else.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 12:50:06 am

Quote from: Pathos on April 27, 2010, 12:33:57 am

Quote from: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 12:32:21 am

I already took it, I was True Neutral.

You sadden me with your "whoosh-over-my-head"-edness.

Everything goes over my head because I'm bad at getting stuff when it's text.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Lord Dakoth on April 27, 2010, 12:51:00 am

Hm. Did not see those posts.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cheeetar on April 27, 2010, 03:32:18 am

Quote from: Vector on April 26, 2010, 12:24:16 pm

Spoiler: Cattell 16-factor (click to show/hide)

Warmth     |||     10%
Intellect    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    82%
Emotional Stability    |||    10%
Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Liveliness    |||    10%
Dutifulness    |||||||||||||||||||||    62%
Social Assertiveness    ||||||    14%
Sensitivity    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||||||    58%
Abstractness    |||||||||||||||    50%
Introversion    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    74%
Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Openmindedness    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Independence    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Perfectionism    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Tension    |||||||||||||||||||||    62%

Spoiler: Advanced global (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||||||     30%
Stability    ||||    16%
Orderliness    ||||||||||||    43%
Accommodation    ||||    16%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Interdependence    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Mystical    ||||||||||    40%
Materialism    ||||||    30%
Narcissism    ||||||    30%
Adventurousness    ||    10%
Work ethic    ||||||    30%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||    40%
Need to dominate    ||||    20%
Romantic    ||||||    30%
Avoidant    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||    50%
Wealth     ||||     20%
Dependency    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Change averse    ||||    20%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Individuality    ||    10%
Sexuality    ||    10%
Peter pan complex    ||    10%
Histrionic    ||||||||||    40%
Vanity    ||||||    30%
Artistic    ||||    20%
Hedonism    ||    10%
Physical fitness    ||||||||||||||    60%
Religious    ||||    20%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Hypersensitivity    ||||    16%
Indie    ||    10%

Hmm... I've changed a good deal over the past year or two.  I hope I'll be able to change back to the person I used to be, or at least somewhere near it.

That test looks interesting, is it possible to be taken on a website?

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Aqizzar on April 27, 2010, 03:47:21 am

Three seconds with Google found a Cattell 16 Factor (http://www.similarminds.com/cattell-16-factor.html) test, whatever that means.  Results coming.

Spoiler: Results (click to show/hide)

Warmth     |||||||||||||||||||||     66%        supportive, comforting
Intellect    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%        cerebral, analytical
Emotional Stability    ||||||||||||    34%        irritable, moody
Aggressiveness    |||||||||||||||    42%        half'n'half (modest, tough?)
Liveliness    ||||||||||||||||||    58%        mas o menos (restrained, fun loving?)
Dutifulness    |||||||||    26%            untraditional, rebellious
Social Assertiveness    ||||||||||||    34%        shy, withdrawn
Sensitivity    |||||||||||||||    50%        half'n'flah (coarse, touchy a hur hur)
Paranoia    |||||||||||||||    42%        six to half dozen (easy going, wary?)
Abstractness    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    82%        strange, imaginative
Introversion    |||||||||||||||||||||    62%        private, quiet
Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%            fearful, self-doubting
Openmindedness    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    82%            curious, exploratory
Independence    |||||||||||||||||||||    62%        I don't trust this one
Perfectionism    |||||||||||||||    50%        perfect center, messy but thorough
Tension    |||||||||||||||    46%        relaxed yet unsatisfied

Apparently I'm a withdrawn space-cadet with a big shoulder to cry on.  I've had worse personality test results.  Weird that there were two questions that would up being repeated.  Maybe they were a dependability bias.

And here's the Advanced Global one. (http://similarminds.com/global-adv.html)  I don't think I want to post the results of that one, because it makes me sound pretty goddamned neurotic.

Spoiler: Ah what the fuck. (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||||||||||||     43%
Stability    ||||||    23%
Orderliness    ||||||||||||    50%
Accommodation    ||||||||||||    50%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Interdependence    ||||||||||    40%
Mystical    ||||||||||    40%
Materialism    ||||||||||    40%
Narcissism    ||||||    30%
Adventurousness    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Work ethic    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||||||    60%
Need to dominate    ||||||||||||||    60%
Romantic    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Avoidant    ||||||||||    40%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||||    60%
   
Wealth    ||    10%
Dependency    ||||||||||    40%
Change averse    ||||    20%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Individuality    ||||||||||||||    60%
Sexuality    ||||||||||    40%
Peter pan complex    ||||||||||||    50%
Histrionic    ||||    20%
Vanity    ||||||    30%
Artistic    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Hedonism    ||||||||||||    50%
Physical fitness    ||||||    30%
Religious    ||    10%
Paranoia    ||||||    30%
Hypersensitivity    ||||||    23%
Indie    ||    10%

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cheeetar on April 27, 2010, 04:36:02 am

Spoiler: Cattel 16 Factor (click to show/hide)

Warmth     |||||||||     30%
Intellect    ||||||||||||||||||    58%
Emotional Stability    |||||||||||||||    50%
Aggressiveness    ||||||    18%
Liveliness    |||||||||    26%
Dutifulness    |||||||||||||||    46%
Social Assertiveness    |||||||||    22%
Sensitivity    |||||||||||||||    50%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||||||    58%
Abstractness    ||||||||||||    38%
Introversion    |||||||||||||||||||||    70%
Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Openmindedness    ||||||||||||    38%
Independence    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    74%
Perfectionism    |||||||||||||||    50%
Tension    ||||||||||||||||||    58%

Spoiler: Advanced Global (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||||||||||||     43%
Stability    ||||||    30%
Orderliness    ||||||||||||    43%
Accommodation    ||||||||||||    43%
Intellectual    ||||||||||    40%
Interdependence    ||||||    30%
Mystical    ||    10%
Materialism    ||||||||||||||    60%
Narcissism    ||||||||||    40%
Adventurousness    ||||    20%
Work ethic    ||||||    30%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||||    50%
Need to dominate    ||    10%
Romantic    ||||||||||||||    60%
Avoidant    ||||||||||||||    60%
Anti-authority    ||    10%
   
Wealth    ||||||||||||    50%
Dependency    ||||||||||    40%
Change averse    ||||||||||||    50%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Individuality    ||||||||||    40%
Sexuality    ||||||||||||||    60%
Peter pan complex    ||||||||||    40%
Histrionic    ||||    20%
Vanity    ||    10%
Artistic    ||    10%
Hedonism    ||    10%
Physical fitness    ||    10%
Religious    ||    10%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||    60%
Hypersensitivity    ||||||    30%
Indie    ||||||||||||    50%

Stability results were low which suggests you are very worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious.

Orderliness results were moderately low which suggests you are, at times, overly flexible, improvised, and fun seeking at the expense of reliability, work ethic, and long term accomplishment.

Extraversion results were moderately low which suggests you are reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive.

trait snapshot:
paranoid tendencies, irritable, anxious, fidgety, dependent, worrying, emotionally sensitive, prone to regret, depressed, second guesses self, somewhat fragile, dislikes change, prefers organized to unpredictable, suspicious, phobic, craves attention, not a risk taker, low self control, very sensitive to criticism, unadventurous, does not make friends easily, defensive, obsessive, low self esteem

I probably got a somewhat incorrect score because I mis-interpreted some questions.

Also: I don't like that one of the defining features of Hedonism as said by the Advanced Global definition is believing religion is crude.
Disregard this, I had no real idea of what Hedonism was.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 27, 2010, 05:00:10 am

Spoiler: Cattel 16 Factor (click to show/hide)

Warmth                  ||||||||||||||||||     58%
Intellect                 |||||||||||||||||||||    62% (depends on the mood.)
Emotional Stability    |||||||||||||||    50% (I'm kinda stable.)
Aggressiveness        |||||||||||||||||||||    70% (Rawr, yeah, I'm kinda aggressive.)
Liveliness                ||||||||||||||||||    54%
Dutifulness              |||||||||||||||||||||    62% (I respect how things are done the old way, and cautious to how things are done the new way.)
Social Assertiveness  |||||||||    22% (Yeaaahhh, I take my time to get to know someone.)
Sensitivity               ||||||||||||||||||    58%
Paranoia                  |||||||||||||||    50%
Abstractness            |||||||||||||||    50% (I'm more for realistic things, though I sometimes like sci-fi [ex: Halo].)
Introversion              ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78% (...I like to keep to myself.)
Anxiety                    |||||||||||||||    50% (I must get everything right when I do stuff! Nah, just mildly careful. Surprising though, I expected myself to be more anxious.)
Openmindedness        |||||||||||||||    50%
Independence            ||||||||||||||||||    54%
Perfectionism             ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78% (I expect myself, and you. To get things right. Or don't do things at all.)
Tension                    |||||||||||||||    46%

Strangely, the other test says basically the opposite.

Spoiler: Advanced Global (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||||||||||||     43%
Stability    ||||||||||||    43%
Orderliness    ||||||    23%
Accommodation    ||||||||||||    50%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||||    60%
Interdependence    ||||||||||    40%
Mystical    ||||||||||    40%
Materialism    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Narcissism    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Adventurousness    ||||||    30%
Work ethic    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Need to dominate    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Romantic    ||||    20%
Avoidant    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Wealth    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Dependency    ||||||||||||    50%
Change averse    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Individuality    ||||||||||||    50%
Sexuality    ||||||||||||    50%
Peter pan complex    ||||||||||    40%
Histrionic    ||||||||||||    50%
Vanity    ||||||    30%
Artistic    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Hedonism    ||||    20%
Physical fitness    ||||    20%
Religious    ||    10%
Paranoia    ||||||    30%
Hypersensitivity    ||||||||||||    43%
Indie    ||||||||||||    50%

"Stability results were moderately low which suggests you are worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious."

"Orderliness results were low which suggests you are overly flexible, improvised, and fun seeking at the expense too often of reliability, work ethic, and long term accomplishment."

"Extraversion results were moderately low which suggests you are reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive. "

messy, disorganized,(This is partly incorrect) not rule conscious, rebellious,(This is partly incorrect) rash, weird, ambivalent about chaos, likes bizarre things, (This is incorrect) anti-authority,(This is incorrect) not good at saving money,(This is somewhat incorrect) not a perfectionist,(This is very, VERY incorrect) leaves many things unfinished,(Sadly, this is mostly correct) low self control, strange, desires more attention, romantic daydreamer, (...What?) abstract, impractical, unproductive,(Sadly, this is mostly correct) leisurely, likes the unknown(This is incorrect)

The Cattel 16 Factor seems to be correct, yet the Advanced Global seems to be wildly incorrect.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Maggarg - Eater of chicke on April 27, 2010, 10:15:50 am

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Your Character’s Alignment

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Neutral Good.

Neutral Good

A neutral good character does the best that a good person can do. He is devoted to helping others. He works with kings and magistrates but does not feel beholden to them. The common phrase for neutral good is "true good." Neutral good is the best alignment you can be because it means doing what is good without bias toward or against order.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Keep in mind the alignment suggested by the quiz is just that: a suggestion. It describes your character no better than a 36-question test would describe you. But it’s a good way to start thinking about how your character acts when confronted with issues of alignment.

Now that your character has taken the test, make a note of which questions scored in the opposite direction from your overall alignment. These exceptions can tell some interesting tales about your character Are you a good character with a greedy streak? Are you a lawful character who can’t stand the village elders? Don’t just roleplay your alignment -- roleplay your alignment exceptions, too. Few characters perfectly embody their alignment choice.

Although I often play Evil characters.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Warmth     |||||||||||||||     50%
Intellect    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Emotional Stability    ||||||||||||    34%
Aggressiveness    |||||||||||||||    46%
Liveliness    |||||||||||||||    46%
Dutifulness    ||||||||||||    38%
Social Assertiveness    |||||||||    22%
Sensitivity    ||||||||||||    34%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Abstractness    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Introversion    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    74%
Anxiety    |||||||||||||||||||||    66%
Openmindedness    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    82%
Independence    |||||||||||||||||||||    70%
Perfectionism    ||||||||||||    34%
Tension    |||||||||||||||||||||    66%

I'm also warmer than I thought, apparently. I might try that global test.

EDIT:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||||||||||     36%
Stability    ||||||||||||    43%
Orderliness    ||    10%
Accommodation    ||||||||||||    50%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Interdependence    ||||||||||    40%
Mystical    ||||||    30%
Materialism    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Narcissism    ||||||||||    40%
Adventurousness    ||||||||||||    50%
Work ethic    ||||||    30%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||||||    60%
Need to dominate    ||||||||||    40%
Romantic    ||||||||||||    50%
Avoidant    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
   
Wealth    ||||||||||||    50%
Dependency    ||||||||||    40%
Change averse    ||||||    30%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||    50%
Individuality    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Sexuality    ||||||||||||    50%
Peter pan complex    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Histrionic    ||||||    30%
Vanity    ||||||    30%
Artistic    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Hedonism    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Physical fitness    ||||||    30%
Religious    ||    10%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Hypersensitivity    ||||||||||||    43%
Indie    ||||||||||||    50%
(the hyperlinks above contain personality descriptions for each trait)


Stability results were moderately low which suggests you are worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious.

Orderliness results were very low which suggests you are overly flexible, improvised, and fun seeking at the expense too often of reliability, work ethic, and long term accomplishment.

Extraversion results were moderately low which suggests you are reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive.

trait snapshot:
introverted, secretive, messy, depressed, does not like leadership, somewhat nihilistic, observer, does not make friends easily, unassertive, feels invisible, feels undesirable, hates large parties, does not like to stand out, leisurely, suspicious, submissive, abstract, unpredictable, intellectual, likes rain, likes the unknown, negative, weird, not a risk taker, unadventurous, avoidant, strange

Yeah, that Advanced Global one does make me seem like a bit of a mental.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Calhoun on April 27, 2010, 10:34:16 am

Ha, Ha! I'm a Hedonist!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Advanced Global Personality Test Results

Extraversion   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Stability   ||||||||||||||   56%
Orderliness   ||||   16%
Accommodation   ||||||||||||||   56%
Intellectual   ||||||||||||||||||   80%
Interdependence   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Mystical   ||||||||||   40%
Materialism   ||||||||||||   50%
Narcissism   ||||||   30%
Adventurousness   ||||||||||   40%
Work ethic   ||||||||||   40%
Conflict seeking   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Need to dominate   ||||||||||||   50%
Romantic   ||||||||||   40%
Avoidant   ||||||||||   40%
Anti-authority   ||||||||||||   50%
Wealth   ||||||||||||||   60%
Dependency   ||||||||||||   50%
Change averse   ||||||||||   40%
Cautiousness   ||||||||||||||   60%
Individuality   ||||||||||   40%
Sexuality   ||||||||||||||   60%
Peter pan complex   ||||||||||   40%
Histrionic   ||||||   30%
Vanity   ||||||||||   40%
Artistic   ||||   20%
Hedonism   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Physical fitness   ||||||||||   40%
Religious   ||   10%
Paranoia   ||||||   30%
Hypersensitivity   ||||||||||||||   56%
Indie   ||||||||||||   50%

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 10:55:57 am

It won't paste, I'll just post the personality snapshot, it's pretty accurate.

secretive, reclusive, messy, disorganized, introverted, unassertive, rarely worries, dislikes large parties, does not like to fit in, does not need to control others, solitary, ambivalent about chaos, tough, leisurely, does not respect authority, not aggressive, observer, abstract, impractical, dislikes leadership, daydreamer, bizarre, does not make friends easily, not a perfectionist, suspicious, rarely irritated, strong physical instincts, unsympathetic at times, risk taker, submissive, weird, sarcastic, strange

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Leafsnail on April 27, 2010, 11:14:17 am

Quote

If offered enough money, would you slip a poison into your king's drink?

Yes, and I've done similar things before
Yes, if I thought I could get away with it
No, although a vast sum of money would tempt me
No, and I'd warn the king of the plot

Fuck, they're on to me.  Anyway:

Quote

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Lawful Good.

Lawful Good

A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. She combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. She tells the truth, keeps her word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished. Lawful good is the best alignment you can be because it combines honor and compassion.

I find it slightly surprising.  I suppose I do generally defer to authority, but I don't think my frequently cowardly answers helped my alignment (would I fight a war?  No.  Would I help in a plague?  No.  Would I express a revolutionary opinion if threatened with punishment?  No).

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Aqizzar on April 27, 2010, 11:17:22 am

Quote from: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 10:55:57 am

It won't paste, I'll just post the personality snapshot, it's pretty accurate.

That snapshot is so cruel.  It takes the worst examples of every trait you kinda qualify for, and barrages you with them.  I didn't even want to post the numerical result after reading those.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: amjh on April 27, 2010, 01:33:06 pm

Chaotic Good!

  ;D /me dances happily ;D

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 27, 2010, 01:47:58 pm

I took the advanced Global. Yeah thats me...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Extraversion   ||||||||||||   43%
Stability   ||   10%
Orderliness   ||   10%
Accommodation   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Intellectual   ||||||||||   40%
Interdependence   ||   10%
Mystical   ||||||||||||||||||   80%
Materialism   ||||   20%
Narcissism   ||   10%
Adventurousness   ||||||||||||||   60%
Work ethic   ||||||   30%
Conflict seeking   ||   10%
Need to dominate   ||   10%
Romantic   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Avoidant   ||||||||||   40%
Anti-authority   ||   10%
Wealth   ||   10%
Dependency   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Change averse   ||||||   30%
Cautiousness   ||   10%
Individuality   ||||||||||   40%
Sexuality   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Peter pan complex   ||||||||||||   50%
Histrionic   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Vanity   ||||||||||   40%
Artistic   ||||||||||||   50%
Hedonism   ||||   20%
Physical fitness   ||||||||||   40%
Religious   ||||||||||   40%
Paranoia   ||||||||||||||   60%
Hypersensitivity   ||   10%
Indie   ||   10%

trait snapshot:
messy, irritable, depressed, fragile, worrying, emotionally sensitive, does not like to lead, phobic, weird, suspicious, low self control, paranoid, frequently second guesses self, dependent, unproductive, introverted, weak, strange, unassertive, submissive, familiar with the dark side of life, feels invisible, rash, vain, anti-authority, heart over mind, low self concept, disorganized, not good at saving money, avoidant, daydreamer, unadventurous

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 27, 2010, 02:05:33 pm

...Stability 10%...

...I'll be going now.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cecilff2 on April 27, 2010, 02:16:10 pm

Chaotic Good.  Pretty much always get that(Got Neutral Good once).

As for the reason.  Ties into my personality type.

INFJ

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

INFJs place great importance on havings things orderly and systematic in their outer world. They put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities in their lives. On the other hand, INFJs operate within themselves on an intuitive basis which is entirely spontaneous. They know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. They are usually right, and they usually know it. Consequently, INFJs put a tremendous amount of faith into their instincts and intuitions. This is something of a conflict between the inner and outer worlds, and may result in the INFJ not being as organized as other Judging types tend to be. Or we may see some signs of disarray in an otherwise orderly tendency, such as a consistently messy desk.

INFJs have uncanny insight into people and situations. They get "feelings" about things and intuitively understand them. As an extreme example, some INFJs report experiences of a psychic nature, such as getting strong feelings about there being a problem with a loved one, and discovering later that they were in a car accident. This is the sort of thing that other types may scorn and scoff at, and the INFJ themself does not really understand their intuition at a level which can be verbalized. Consequently, most INFJs are protective of their inner selves, sharing only what they choose to share when they choose to share it. They are deep, complex individuals, who are quite private and typically difficult to understand. INFJs hold back part of themselves, and can be secretive.

But the INFJ is as genuinely warm as they are complex. INFJs hold a special place in the heart of people who they are close to, who are able to see their special gifts and depth of caring. INFJs are concerned for people's feelings, and try to be gentle to avoid hurting anyone. They are very sensitive to conflict, and cannot tolerate it very well. Situations which are charged with conflict may drive the normally peaceful INFJ into a state of agitation or charged anger. They may tend to internalize conflict into their bodies, and experience health problems when under a lot of stress.

Because the INFJ has such strong intuitive capabilities, they trust their own instincts above all else. This may result in an INFJ stubborness and tendency to ignore other people's opinions. They believe that they're right. On the other hand, INFJ is a perfectionist who doubts that they are living up to their full potential. INFJs are rarely at complete peace with themselves - there's always something else they should be doing to improve themselves and the world around them. They believe in constant growth, and don't often take time to revel in their accomplishments. They have strong value systems, and need to live their lives in accordance with what they feel is right. In deference to the Feeling aspect of their personalities, INFJs are in some ways gentle and easy going. Conversely, they have very high expectations of themselves, and frequently of their families. They don't believe in compromising their ideals.

INFJ is a natural nurturer; patient, devoted and protective. They make loving parents and usually have strong bonds with their offspring. They have high expectations of their children, and push them to be the best that they can be. This can sometimes manifest itself in the INFJ being hard-nosed and stubborn. But generally, children of an INFJ get devoted and sincere parental guidance, combined with deep caring.

In the workplace, the INFJ usually shows up in areas where they can be creative and somewhat independent. They have a natural affinity for art, and many excel in the sciences, where they make use of their intuition. INFJs can also be found in service-oriented professions. They are not good at dealing with minutia or very detailed tasks. The INFJ will either avoid such things, or else go to the other extreme and become enveloped in the details to the extent that they can no longer see the big picture. An INFJ who has gone the route of becoming meticulous about details may be highly critical of other individuals who are not.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: WorkerDrone on April 27, 2010, 02:24:41 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Warmth     ||||||||||||||||||||||||     74%  --- supportive, comforting
Intellect    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%  --- cerebral, analytical
Emotional Stability    |||||||||||||||    50%          --- half'n'flah (you shall see nothing/GOD DAMN IT)
Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||||    58%          --- kinda aggressive
Liveliness    ||||||||||||    38%                          --- somber, restrained
Dutifulness    |||||||||||||||||||||    66%                  --- respects tradition/likes change
Social Assertiveness    |||||||||||||||    50%          --- withdrawn/somewhat bold
Sensitivity    ||||||    18%                                  --- like stone
Paranoia    ||||||||||||    38%                          --- trusting
Abstractness    |||||||||||||||    46%                  --- practical, slightly experimental
Introversion    |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 86%  --- private, quiet
Anxiety    |||||||||    26%                                  --- confident, self assured
Openmindedness    ||||||||||||    34%                  --- this should have been a fifty fifty deal, really
Independence    ||||||||||||    38%                  --- outgoing, social
Perfectionism    |||||||||||||||    46%                  --- disorganized but not pencils and crayons all over the floor messy
Tension    ||||||||||||    38%                          --- relaxed, cool (most of the time) 

Eh.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Calhoun on April 27, 2010, 02:27:47 pm

Quote from: WorkerDrone on April 27, 2010, 02:24:41 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Warmth     ||||||||||||||||||||||||     74%  --- supportive, comforting
Intellect    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%  --- cerebral, analytical
Emotional Stability    |||||||||||||||    50%          --- half'n'flah (you shall see nothing/GOD DAMN IT)
Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||||    58%          --- kinda aggressive
Liveliness    ||||||||||||    38%                          --- somber, restrained
Dutifulness    |||||||||||||||||||||    66%                  --- respects tradition/likes change
Social Assertiveness    |||||||||||||||    50%          --- withdrawn/somewhat bold
Sensitivity    ||||||    18%                                  --- like stone
Paranoia    ||||||||||||    38%                          --- trusting
Abstractness    |||||||||||||||    46%                  --- practical, slightly experimental
Introversion    |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 86%  --- private, quiet
Anxiety    |||||||||    26%                                  --- confident, self assured
Openmindedness    ||||||||||||    34%                  --- this should have been a fifty fifty deal, really
Independence    ||||||||||||    38%                  --- outgoing, social
Perfectionism    |||||||||||||||    46%                  --- disorganized but not pencils and crayons all over the floor messy
Tension    ||||||||||||    38%                          --- relaxed, cool (most of the time) 

Eh.

I read Emotional Stability as: Emotional Stab-ability.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: WorkerDrone on April 27, 2010, 02:29:12 pm

That wouldn't be out of character.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Calhoun on April 27, 2010, 02:32:38 pm

I knew it couldn't just be coincidence.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Proteus on April 27, 2010, 02:42:14 pm

Neutral Good...
exactly as I  see myself ;)

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Itnetlolor on April 27, 2010, 09:29:13 pm

Finally found the time to get the Advanced Global done

Spoiler: Here they are: AGPT (click to show/hide)

Advanced Global Personality Test Results

Extraversion    ||||||||||||||    56%  -I have gotten around to loosening up a bit more than I was a few years ago.
Stability    ||||||||||||||||    70%  -Hah, that's funny. I guess the fact that I'm what I'd call lucidly insane would have to qualify.
Orderliness    ||||||||||||||    56%  -Order in disorder.
Accommodation    ||||||||||||    50%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%  -Not an average bear
Interdependence    ||||||||||||    50%  -I'm rather fair
Mystical    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%  -Religious more like, but not headache inducing.
Materialism    ||||||||||||    50%
Narcissism    ||||||||||||    50%
Adventurousness    ||||||||||||||    60%  -I seek adventure, I'm just not as gung-ho about it.
Work ethic    ||||||||||||||    60%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Need to dominate    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Romantic    ||||||||||||||||||    80%  -And I have yet to prove this one.
Avoidant    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||||    60%
   
Wealth    ||||||||||||    50%
Dependency    ||||||||||||    50%
Change averse    ||||||||||||||    60%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||||||||    80%  -I'm borderline paranoid.
Individuality    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Sexuality    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Peter pan complex    ||||||||||||||||    70%  -All that's really left is the gift of flight.
Histrionic    ||||||||||||    50%
Vanity    ||||    20%  -I'm a bit of a slob, but I don't care. I think my messiness makes me more appealing.
Artistic    ||||||||||||||||||    80%  -No real need to explain this one.
Hedonism    ||||||||||||    50%
Physical fitness    ||||||||||    40%  -Working on it.
Religious    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%  -See above. Though I can see how God and the Devil are related.
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||||    70%  -Like above.
Hypersensitivity    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Indie    ||||||||||||    50%
(the hyperlinks above contain personality descriptions for each trait)


Stability results were high which suggests you are very relaxed, calm, secure, and optimistic..    -I'm a hoot during a disaster.

Orderliness results were moderately high which suggests you are, at times, overly organized, reliable, neat, and hard working at the expense of flexibility, efficiency, spontaneity, and fun.   -In my mess, I am organized.

Extraversion results were moderately high which suggests you are, at times, overly talkative, outgoing, sociable and interacting at the expense of developing your own individual interests and internally based identity.   -Wall-o-text Guy, right here.

trait snapshot:
rarely irritated, positive, tough, non phobic, fearless, likes the unknown, self reliant, high self control, confident, trusting, strong instincts, prudent, optimistic, willful, likes parties, prefers a specialized career, takes charge, altruistic, strong, high self concept, adventurous, practical, thoughtful

Not as entirely accurate as I expected.

EDIT:
Just added my commentary.

Another (Double) Test and the results:

Spoiler: Jung Test: INTP (Previously INTJ) (click to show/hide)

Jung Test Results

Introverted (I) 58.97% Extroverted (E) 41.03%
Intuitive (N) 60.98% Sensing (S) 39.02%
Thinking (T) 56.1% Feeling (F) 43.9%
Perceiving (P) 56.1% Judging (J) 43.9%

Your type is: INTP

INTP - "Architect". Greatest precision in thought and language. Can readily discern contradictions and inconsistencies. The world exists primarily to be understood. 3.3% of total population.

Spoiler: Enneagram (click to show/hide)

Enneagram Test Results
                   
 

The Enneagram is a personality system which divides the   entire human personality into nine behavioral tendencies, this is your   score on each...                                     Type 1    Perfectionism |||||||||||||||| 66% Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||||||| 66% Type 3 Image Awareness |||||||||||||| 56% Type 4 Sensitivity |||||||||||||| 53% Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||| 70% Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||||| 70% Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||| 70% Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||||| 63% Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||| 76%

 
                   

type	score	type behavior   motivation
9	23	I must maintian a peaceful and easygoing environment to be happy.
5	21	I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
6	21	I must be secure and safe to be happy.
7	21	I must be high and entertained to be happy.
1	20	I must be perfect and good to be happy.
2	20	I must be helpful and caring to be happy.

                                         

You scored as Type 9	Your variant is social
(http://images.similarminds.com/9.gif)	(http://images.similarminds.com/sosxsp.gif)

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 27, 2010, 09:33:11 pm

People say I am chaotic good?  Also you're avatar is making me trip Calhorn.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: sonerohi on April 27, 2010, 09:56:40 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Warmth   ||||||||||||||||||   58%
Intellect   ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Emotional Stability   |||||||||   26%
Aggressiveness   ||||||||||||||||||||||||   78%
Liveliness   |||||||||||||||   42%
Dutifulness   |||||||||||||||||||||   66%
Social Assertiveness   ||||||||||||   38%
Sensitivity   ||||||||||||||||||   58%
Paranoia   ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||   86%
Abstractness   ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Introversion   ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||   82%
Anxiety   ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||   86%
Openmindedness   ||||||||||||||||||   54%
Independence   ||||||||||||||||||||||||   78%
Perfectionism   ||||||||||||||||||||||||   78%
Tension   |||||||||   22%

Independant, paranoid, aggressive intellectual.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Extraversion   ||||||   23%
Stability   ||||||||||||||   56%
Orderliness   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Accommodation   ||||||||||||||   56%
Intellectual   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Interdependence   ||||||   30%
Mystical   ||||||||||||   50%
Materialism   ||||||   30%
Narcissism   ||||||||||||||   60%
Adventurousness   ||||||||||   40%
Work ethic   ||||||||||   40%
Conflict seeking   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Need to dominate   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Romantic   ||||   20%
Avoidant   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Anti-authority   ||||||   30%
      Wealth   ||||||   30%
Dependency   ||||||||||||||   60%
Change averse   ||||||||||||||   60%
Cautiousness   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Individuality   ||||||||||   40%
Sexuality   ||||||||||   40%
Peter pan complex   ||||||||||||||   60%
Histrionic   ||||||   30%
Vanity   ||||||   30%
Artistic   ||||||||||||||   60%
Hedonism   ||||   20%
Physical fitness   ||||||||||||||   60%
Religious   ||   10%
Paranoia   ||||||||||||||||||   80%
Hypersensitivity   ||||||||||||||   56%
Indie   ||||||||||||   50%

Is it supposed to break into even percentages perfectly like that? The other one had numbers that didn't end in 0.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: piecewise on April 27, 2010, 10:09:45 pm

Quote from: Aqizzar on April 27, 2010, 11:17:22 am

Quote from: Cthulhu on April 27, 2010, 10:55:57 am

It won't paste, I'll just post the personality snapshot, it's pretty accurate.

That snapshot is so cruel.  It takes the worst examples of every trait you kinda qualify for, and barrages you with them. 

Thats exactly how the new trait feature in df does it. It just points out everything that is horribly deformed.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Lord Dakoth on April 27, 2010, 10:23:26 pm

Quote from: Cecilff2 on April 27, 2010, 02:16:10 pm

Chaotic Good.  Pretty much always get that(Got Neutral Good once).

As for the reason.  Ties into my personality type.

INFJ

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

INFJs place great importance on havings things orderly and systematic in their outer world. They put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities in their lives. On the other hand, INFJs operate within themselves on an intuitive basis which is entirely spontaneous. They know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. They are usually right, and they usually know it. Consequently, INFJs put a tremendous amount of faith into their instincts and intuitions. This is something of a conflict between the inner and outer worlds, and may result in the INFJ not being as organized as other Judging types tend to be. Or we may see some signs of disarray in an otherwise orderly tendency, such as a consistently messy desk.

INFJs have uncanny insight into people and situations. They get "feelings" about things and intuitively understand them. As an extreme example, some INFJs report experiences of a psychic nature, such as getting strong feelings about there being a problem with a loved one, and discovering later that they were in a car accident. This is the sort of thing that other types may scorn and scoff at, and the INFJ themself does not really understand their intuition at a level which can be verbalized. Consequently, most INFJs are protective of their inner selves, sharing only what they choose to share when they choose to share it. They are deep, complex individuals, who are quite private and typically difficult to understand. INFJs hold back part of themselves, and can be secretive.

But the INFJ is as genuinely warm as they are complex. INFJs hold a special place in the heart of people who they are close to, who are able to see their special gifts and depth of caring. INFJs are concerned for people's feelings, and try to be gentle to avoid hurting anyone. They are very sensitive to conflict, and cannot tolerate it very well. Situations which are charged with conflict may drive the normally peaceful INFJ into a state of agitation or charged anger. They may tend to internalize conflict into their bodies, and experience health problems when under a lot of stress.

Because the INFJ has such strong intuitive capabilities, they trust their own instincts above all else. This may result in an INFJ stubborness and tendency to ignore other people's opinions. They believe that they're right. On the other hand, INFJ is a perfectionist who doubts that they are living up to their full potential. INFJs are rarely at complete peace with themselves - there's always something else they should be doing to improve themselves and the world around them. They believe in constant growth, and don't often take time to revel in their accomplishments. They have strong value systems, and need to live their lives in accordance with what they feel is right. In deference to the Feeling aspect of their personalities, INFJs are in some ways gentle and easy going. Conversely, they have very high expectations of themselves, and frequently of their families. They don't believe in compromising their ideals.

INFJ is a natural nurturer; patient, devoted and protective. They make loving parents and usually have strong bonds with their offspring. They have high expectations of their children, and push them to be the best that they can be. This can sometimes manifest itself in the INFJ being hard-nosed and stubborn. But generally, children of an INFJ get devoted and sincere parental guidance, combined with deep caring.

In the workplace, the INFJ usually shows up in areas where they can be creative and somewhat independent. They have a natural affinity for art, and many excel in the sciences, where they make use of their intuition. INFJs can also be found in service-oriented professions. They are not good at dealing with minutia or very detailed tasks. The INFJ will either avoid such things, or else go to the other extreme and become enveloped in the details to the extent that they can no longer see the big picture. An INFJ who has gone the route of becoming meticulous about details may be highly critical of other individuals who are not.

No way. I'm INFJ and Neutral Good. We should form a cult.

...Oh wait, cults are for Lawful Good.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: piecewise on April 27, 2010, 10:28:06 pm

Quote from: Lord Dakoth on April 27, 2010, 10:23:26 pm

Quote from: Cecilff2 on April 27, 2010, 02:16:10 pm

Chaotic Good.  Pretty much always get that(Got Neutral Good once).

As for the reason.  Ties into my personality type.

INFJ

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

INFJs place great importance on havings things orderly and systematic in their outer world. They put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities in their lives. On the other hand, INFJs operate within themselves on an intuitive basis which is entirely spontaneous. They know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. They are usually right, and they usually know it. Consequently, INFJs put a tremendous amount of faith into their instincts and intuitions. This is something of a conflict between the inner and outer worlds, and may result in the INFJ not being as organized as other Judging types tend to be. Or we may see some signs of disarray in an otherwise orderly tendency, such as a consistently messy desk.

INFJs have uncanny insight into people and situations. They get "feelings" about things and intuitively understand them. As an extreme example, some INFJs report experiences of a psychic nature, such as getting strong feelings about there being a problem with a loved one, and discovering later that they were in a car accident. This is the sort of thing that other types may scorn and scoff at, and the INFJ themself does not really understand their intuition at a level which can be verbalized. Consequently, most INFJs are protective of their inner selves, sharing only what they choose to share when they choose to share it. They are deep, complex individuals, who are quite private and typically difficult to understand. INFJs hold back part of themselves, and can be secretive.

But the INFJ is as genuinely warm as they are complex. INFJs hold a special place in the heart of people who they are close to, who are able to see their special gifts and depth of caring. INFJs are concerned for people's feelings, and try to be gentle to avoid hurting anyone. They are very sensitive to conflict, and cannot tolerate it very well. Situations which are charged with conflict may drive the normally peaceful INFJ into a state of agitation or charged anger. They may tend to internalize conflict into their bodies, and experience health problems when under a lot of stress.

Because the INFJ has such strong intuitive capabilities, they trust their own instincts above all else. This may result in an INFJ stubborness and tendency to ignore other people's opinions. They believe that they're right. On the other hand, INFJ is a perfectionist who doubts that they are living up to their full potential. INFJs are rarely at complete peace with themselves - there's always something else they should be doing to improve themselves and the world around them. They believe in constant growth, and don't often take time to revel in their accomplishments. They have strong value systems, and need to live their lives in accordance with what they feel is right. In deference to the Feeling aspect of their personalities, INFJs are in some ways gentle and easy going. Conversely, they have very high expectations of themselves, and frequently of their families. They don't believe in compromising their ideals.

INFJ is a natural nurturer; patient, devoted and protective. They make loving parents and usually have strong bonds with their offspring. They have high expectations of their children, and push them to be the best that they can be. This can sometimes manifest itself in the INFJ being hard-nosed and stubborn. But generally, children of an INFJ get devoted and sincere parental guidance, combined with deep caring.

In the workplace, the INFJ usually shows up in areas where they can be creative and somewhat independent. They have a natural affinity for art, and many excel in the sciences, where they make use of their intuition. INFJs can also be found in service-oriented professions. They are not good at dealing with minutia or very detailed tasks. The INFJ will either avoid such things, or else go to the other extreme and become enveloped in the details to the extent that they can no longer see the big picture. An INFJ who has gone the route of becoming meticulous about details may be highly critical of other individuals who are not.

No way. I'm INFJ and Neutral Good. We should form a cult.

...Oh wait, cults are for Lawful Good.

I'm pretty sure an INFJ neutral good cult would be more like a very friendly accounting firm then a cult.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cecilff2 on April 28, 2010, 12:41:05 am

That, and they don't really take to the whole brainwashing thing so well.  It's pretty difficult to find an example of an INFJ villain in pretty much anything.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Vector on April 28, 2010, 01:08:50 am

Haha, my Myers-Briggs tends to be IN and on the border between F and T, P and J.  In the past I was a solid INTJ.  Then the J became P, and recently the T has been wavering towards F (though that's mostly because I think that cold rationality makes people into real dicks a good amount of the time).

For reference, here's...

Spoiler: Advanced Global from a year or so ago (click to show/hide)

Extraversion || 10%
Stability |||||||||||||||| 66%
Orderliness |||||||||||||||||||| 86%
Accommodation || 10%
Interdependence || 10%
Intellectual |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Mystical || 10%
Artistic |||||||||||||||| 63%
Religious || 10%
Hedonism || 10%
Materialism |||||| 30%
Narcissism |||||||||||||||| 70%
Adventurousness || 10%
Work ethic |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Humanitarian |||||||||||| 43%
Conflict seeking |||| 16%
Need to dominate |||||||||||||||||||| 90%

Romantic || 10%
Avoidant |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Anti-authority |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Wealth |||||||||| 36%
Dependency |||||||||||||||| 63%
Change averse |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Cautiousness |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Individuality |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Sexuality || 10%
Peter pan complex || 10%
Family drive |||||| 30%
Physical Activity |||||||||||||||| 70%
Histrionic |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Paranoia |||||||||||| 43%
Vanity |||||||||||| 43%
Honor |||||||||| 36%
Thriftiness |||||||||||||||||||| 90%

Stability results were moderately high which suggests you are relaxed, calm, secure, and optimistic.

Orderliness results were very high which suggests you are overly organized, reliable, neat, and hard working at the expense too often of flexibility, efficiency, spontaneity, and fun.

Extraversion results were very low which suggests you are extremely reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive.

trait snapshot:
secretive, organized, clean, rarely worries, solitary, high self control, dislikes large parties, prefers organized to unpredictable, prudent, observer, tough, self reliant, very good at saving money, introverted, perfectionist, mind over heart, not controlling of others, hard working, confident, resolute, solitary, does not make friends easily, finisher, does not like to stand out, very practical, intellectual, unsympathetic at times, honest, respects authority, follows the rules, cautious

Both some good changes, and some bad ones =)  I'm looking forward to see what happens in the future.

And...

Spoiler: Advanced Enneagram (click to show/hide)

Type 1        Perfectionism     ||||||||||||||||||     80%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||||    28%
Type 3    Image Focus    ||||||||||||||||    64%
Type 4    Hypersensitivity    ||||||||||||||    60%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||||    61%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||    55%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||||||||    40%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||||    72%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||||    42%

I'm a 1.  Basically, A-type personality in a nutshell.

The aggressiveness oh god.  No matter what else changes, I tend to score kind of stupidly high on aggression.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cheeetar on April 28, 2010, 01:21:55 am

Spoiler: Enneagram + Jung (click to show/hide)

ISTP - "Engineer". Values freedom of action and following interests and impulses. Independent, concise in speech, master of tools. 5.4% of total population.

Type 1       Perfectionism    ||||||||||    36%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||||    23%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||||||    30%
Type 4    Sensitivity    ||||||||||||||    56%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||||    66%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||    63%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||    13%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||    33%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||    26%

(http://images.similarminds.com/5.gif)

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 28, 2010, 01:40:30 am

Spoiler: Advanced Enneagram (click to show/hide)

Type 1        Perfectionism     ||||||||||||||     55% "I must be perfect and good to be happy."
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||||||||||||    52% "I must be helpful and caring to be happy."
Type 3    Image Focus    ||||||||||||||||||    71% "    I must be impressive and attractive (heh) to be happy.'
Type 4    Hypersensitivity    ||||||||||||    48% "I must be true to my emotions to be happy."
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||||    62% "I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy."
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||    65% "I must be secure and safe to be happy."
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||||||||||||    55% "I must be high and entertained to be happy."
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||    67% "I must be strong and in control to be happy."
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||||||    55% "I must maintian a peaceful and easygoing environment to be happy."

(http://images.similarminds.com/3.gif)

Strange, I expected to be higher on helpfulness. Also, aggressiveness, that could be a problem. :P

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: SIGVARDR on April 28, 2010, 02:32:26 am

I figured what the hell,why not,and took the enneagram thing.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Type 1       Perfectionism    ||||||||||||||||    66%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||||||||||||||    63%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||||||||||||||||||    76%
Type 4    Sensitivity    ||||||||||    33%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||    60%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||    66%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||||||||    66%
(http://images.similarminds.com/8.gif)

Aggressiveness isn't a bad trait at all,so long as you have the intelligence to temper it.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 28, 2010, 04:02:33 am

I always get INFP when I take the Jung thing.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Aqizzar on April 28, 2010, 04:06:09 am

Took the Enneagram-Jung one.

Spoiler: No surprises. (click to show/hide)

 Introverted (I) 60% Extroverted (E) 40%
Intuitive (N) 52.08% Sensing (S) 47.92%
Thinking (T) 57.5% Feeling (F) 42.5%
Perceiving (P) 50% Judging (J) 50%

Your type is: INTP - Is it normal to see results so damn close?

INTP - "Architect". Greatest precision in thought and language. Can readily discern contradictions and inconsistencies. The world exists primarily to be understood. 3.3% of total population.
50/50 alternate - INTJ - "Mastermind". Introverted intellectual with a preference for finding certainty. A builder of systems and the applier of theoretical models. 2.1% of total population.

Type 1       Perfectionism    ||||||||||||||    53%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||||||||||||    56%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||||||||||||    43%
Type 4    Sensitivity    ||||||||||||||    53%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||||    66%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||    56%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||||||||||    46%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||    46%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||||||    53%

type    score    type behavior motivation
5    20     I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
2    17     I must be helpful and caring to be happy.
6    17     I must be secure and safe to be happy.
1    16     I must be perfect and good to be happy.
4    16     I must be true to my emotions to be happy.
9    16     I must maintian a peaceful and easygoing environment to be happy.

You scored as Type 5
   
Your variant is self pres

Maybe somebody should make a stat-plot of these, so we can see just how neurotic a population the board attracts.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 28, 2010, 07:27:35 am

Quote

INTP - "Architect". Greatest precision in thought and language. Can readily discern contradictions and inconsistencies. The world exists primarily to be understood. 3.3% of total population.

Sounds like you in a nutshell, Aqizzar.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: quinnr on April 28, 2010, 02:03:19 pm

Spoiler: Catel 16 (click to show/hide)

Warmth     |||||||||     26%
Intellect    |||||||||||||||    50%
Emotional Stability    |||||||||    30%
Aggressiveness    |||||||||||||||    42%
Liveliness    |||||||||    30%
Dutifulness    ||||||||||||    34%
Social Assertiveness    ||||||||||||    38%
Sensitivity    |||||||||||||||    42%
Paranoia    |||||||||||||||    46%
Abstractness    |||||||||||||||    42%
Introversion    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Anxiety    ||||||||||||    38%
Openmindedness    ||||||||||||    38%
Independence    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Perfectionism    |||||||||    26%
Tension    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    74%

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 28, 2010, 02:34:19 pm

Whent ahead and took the Jung thingy.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Type 1      Perfectionism   ||||||   30%
Type 2   Helpfulness   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Type 3   Image Awareness   ||||||||||   40%
Type 4   Sensitivity   ||||||||||||||||||||   86%
Type 5   Detachment   ||||   20%
Type 6   Anxiety   ||||||||||||   50%
Type 7   Adventurousness   ||||||||||||||   60%
Type 8   Aggressiveness   ||||||   23%
Type 9   Calmness   ||||||   26%

ENFP - "Journalist". Uncanny sense of the motivations of others. Life is an exciting drama. 8.1% of total population.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 28, 2010, 02:36:19 pm

These tests seem to conflict with each other. :-\

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 28, 2010, 02:36:55 pm

Well I took the same thing Aqizzar did.
"77) Normal is boring." was my favorite question by the way, I wonder why?

Spoiler: I'm a type INTJ (click to show/hide)

Introverted (I) 66.67% Extroverted (E) 33.33%
Intuitive (N) 52.17% Sensing (S) 47.83%
Thinking (T) 65.71% Feeling (F) 34.29%
Judging (J) 75% Perceiving (P) 25%

Your type is: INTJ

INTJ - "Mastermind". Introverted intellectual with a preference for finding certainty. A builder of systems and the applier of theoretical models. 2.1% of total population.

Type 1        Perfectionism     ||||||||||||||||||||     86%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||||||||||||    56%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||||||    30%
Type 4    Sensitivity    ||||||||||||||||||    73%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||||    66%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||||||||    36%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||    60%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||    40%

1    26     I must be perfect and good to be happy.
6    26     I must be secure and safe to be happy.
4    22     I must be true to my emotions to be happy.
5    20     I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.

You scored as Type 6

Although to be honest I think I'm more type 1, they both got the same score anyway.

Oh god my perfectionism and anxiety is in the 90% range.  My image awareness is 30% haha.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 28, 2010, 02:42:09 pm

Quote from: Tarran on April 28, 2010, 02:36:19 pm

These tests seem to conflict with each other. :-\

Most tests like this aren't meant to be compared against eachother. Though I personally see my two tests as fairly similar.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 28, 2010, 03:28:16 pm

I took Global and Cattell. They look pretty accurate to me. :)

Spoiler: Global (click to show/hide)

Advanced Global Personality Test Results
Extraversion   ||||||   23%
Stability   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Orderliness   ||||||   30%
Accommodation   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Intellectual   ||||||   30%
Interdependence   ||||||||||||   50%
Mystical   ||||||||||||||||||   80%
Materialism   ||||||||||||   50%
Narcissism   ||||   20%
Adventurousness   ||   10%
Work ethic   ||||   20%
Conflict seeking   ||   10%
Need to dominate   ||||||||||   40%
Romantic   ||||   20%
Avoidant   ||||||||||||   50%
Anti-authority   ||||||||||||||||||   80%
      Wealth   ||||   20%
Dependency   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Change averse   ||||||||||||||   60%
Cautiousness   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Individuality   ||||||||||   40%
Sexuality   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Peter pan complex   ||||||||||||||   60%
Histrionic   ||||||||||||   50%
Vanity   ||||||||||||||   60%
Artistic   ||||||||||||||||||||   90%
Hedonism   ||   10%
Physical fitness   ||   10%
Religious   ||   10%
Paranoia   ||||||||||||||   60%
Hypersensitivity   ||||||||||||||||   70%
Indie   ||   10%

Stability results were high which suggests you are very relaxed, calm, secure, and optimistic..

Orderliness results were low which suggests you are overly flexible, improvised, and fun seeking at the expense too often of reliability, work ethic, and long term accomplishment.

Extraversion results were low which suggests you are very reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive.


trait snapshot:
secretive, reclusive, messy, disorganized, introverted, unassertive, rarely worries, dislikes large parties, does not like to fit in, does not need to control others, solitary, ambivalent about chaos, tough, leisurely, does not respect authority, not aggressive, observer, abstract, impractical, dislikes leadership, daydreamer, bizarre, does not make friends easily, not a perfectionist, suspicious, rarely irritated, strong physical instincts, unsympathetic at times, risk taker, submissive, weird, sarcastic, strange

Spoiler: Cattell 16 (click to show/hide)

Warmth   |||||||||||||||   50%
Intellect   ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||   86%
Emotional Stability   ||||||||||||||||||   54%
Aggressiveness   |||   10%
Liveliness   |||   10%
Dutifulness   ||||||||||||||||||   58%
Social Assertiveness   ||||||   14%
Sensitivity   |||||||||||||||||||||   62%
Paranoia   |||||||||||||||||||||   70%
Abstractness   ||||||||||||||||||||||||   78%
Introversion   ||||||||||||||||||||||||   78%
Anxiety   ||||||||||||||||||||||||   74%
Openmindedness   ||||||||||||||||||||||||   74%
Independence   ||||||||||||||||||||||||   78%
Perfectionism   |||||||||||||||||||||   70%
Tension   ||||||   18%

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ein on April 28, 2010, 07:40:14 pm

The Enneagram-Jung is too long for me to take right now, but I'm also INTJ.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 28, 2010, 08:35:03 pm

I expect most of us to be INsomething.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: ein on April 28, 2010, 08:58:23 pm

It's funny how such an IN community brings out the E in us all.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Neruz on April 28, 2010, 09:00:50 pm

I don't fit into the 3.5 DnD Alignment System, the WotC test for example, most of the questions do not have the answers i would choose. So i fit into the 4e "Unaligned" Alignment.

As for the Enneagram + Jung:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Introverted (I) 81.25% Extroverted (E) 18.75%
Intuitive (N) 53.85% Sensing (S) 46.15%
Thinking (T) 86.21% Feeling (F) 13.79%
Perceiving (P) 68.57% Judging (J) 31.43%

INTP - "Architect". Greatest precision in thought and language. Can readily discern contradictions and inconsistencies. The world exists primarily to be understood. 3.3% of total population.



Type 1        Perfectionism     ||||||||||||||     56%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||    20%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||||||||||||||    56%
Type 4    Sensitivity    ||||||||||    36%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||||||    83%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||||||||    36%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||    63%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||||||||    63%

Type 5, Variant Self Preservation.


I'd say that's accurate.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 28, 2010, 09:52:39 pm

Spoiler: Jung (click to show/hide)

Introverted (I) 89.29% Extroverted (E) 10.71%
Intuitive (N) 53.13% Sensing (S) 46.88%
Feeling (F) 60% Thinking (T) 40%
Perceiving (P) 66.67% Judging (J) 33.33%

Your type is: INFP

INFP - "Questor". High capacity for caring. Emotional face to the world. High sense of honor derived from internal values. 4.4% of total population.

Always the same.  Only once have I gotten INTP, and I wasn't answering quite honestly that time.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Neruz on April 29, 2010, 01:33:35 am

So you put more value in emotions than thoughts, why do you seem to imply that is a bad thing?

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 29, 2010, 01:50:39 am

I don't.  By not honest, I mean I was in a more cerebral mood, and answered questions more to the thinking side.  Not that I don't want to be like that.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Neruz on April 29, 2010, 01:53:08 am

oic

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: darkflagrance on April 29, 2010, 04:22:56 am

If anyone stat plots, type 5 intp.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: 3 on April 29, 2010, 12:01:43 pm

This is amusing. I got Chaotic Evil on the alignment test, and an ENTP Type 8/sexual on the Jung-Enneagram. Which is entirely different to the way I see myself. Either I've gotten something consistently wrong, or... eh. When I last tried one of these I got INTJ, but that was several years ago.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Type 1    Perfectionism     ||||||     30%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||    16%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||||||||||||||||    63%
Type 4    Sensitivity    ||||||||||    36%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||    60%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||    56%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||    20%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||||||||    73%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||||    43%

"Inventor". Enthusiastic interest in everything and always sensitive to possibilities. Non-conformist and innovative. 3.2% of the total population.

type     score     type behavior motivation
8    22     I must be strong and in control to be happy.
3    19     I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.
5    18     I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
6    17     I must be secure and safe to be happy.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 29, 2010, 12:54:38 pm

I got true neutral, and I think I got the INTP for the other one (don't really remember - I took it some time ago, and I can't be bothered to do it again).

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: sonerohi on April 29, 2010, 04:40:44 pm

Also, I think it is cool that my Jung type has shifted since last year when I took it. I've been making an effort this year to be more out-going, even if it isn't going great, and I went from ... to ISTJ from INTP.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on April 29, 2010, 06:22:56 pm

One problem with a test like this, giving you an alignment, is that the D&D alignment system has gone through revisions of meaning over the years. And the source material has very different things to say about Law vs Chaos for example than ever made it into publication.

And of course there's the perennial contentiousness around what certain alignments mean.


And this. (http://facepwn.com/posters/batman-alignment.jpg)

A secondary problem is that these personality tests are skewed by the preconceptions of the test maker. The language itself, and the words used in the test, skew the takers perception in different ways whether he's a native or non-native speaker (or if the test was translated!). The specific questions asked may or may not be understood in the way the test maker intended. The answers given may not be exactly what the test maker had in mind. The restrictiveness of a multiple-choice test is compounded by the test maker's choice in potential answers. The very order in which the answers are provided will subtly shift answers over the whole population of test-takers.

A tertiary problem is in the daily variances in our answers. One is not a substantially different person day to day, yet the test may yield different results. Are you tired? Drunk? High? Hungry? Need to pee? All of these may or may not influence your decision-making.

Finally, mapping the outcomes of one bad test with the outcomes of another bad test, which are only superficially related, and which are re-imagined to match better with each other, is of limited value.

Specifically relating to the D&D quiz, I take exception to the statement that "lawful people tend to work at secure jobs -- this doesn't mean that working a steady job makes you lawful". Practicing being good, or bad, or sloppy, or neat, or cowardly, or courageous, will actually change your decision-making process in the future. What we experience changes us, sometimes in fundamental ways. Just look at most people who spend time in the military. They exit with certain habits relating to hygiene and sleep schedule common to members of their unit. That the test maker succumbs to such a simple mistake suggests that deeper, more profound disasters of methodology are possible.

The D&D quiz also seemingly gives you a numerical value in some way for each answer, then averages them. In this way, answering "I like to give money to everyone" and "I like to eat babies and kick puppies" would average you out at Neutral when clearly there is a more complex conclusion.

One specific question in the D&D quiz asks:
A powerful but corrupt judge offers you wealth if you'll testify against a friend. Do you:

1: Condemn your friend and take the money
2: Take the money and testify, but try to keep your testimony ineffective
3: Refuse the offer and refuse to testify
4: Testify on your friend's behalf, no matter the consequences

Nowhere in the answers is "testify truthfully regardless of loyalty to the friend or the judge", "bring a recording device to get evidence and turn in the judge", "take the money and murder the judge", "murder the judge immediately upon his offer", "break your friend out of jail and help him escape", or the strange choice "refuse the money but testify against your friend anyway because you're petty and cruel for its own sake". All of the people who would have answered any of those get left out in the cold, and instead of showing up on the population graph as what they really are, they are crammed into one of the other categories.

I've taken enough of these to understand that they're meaningless. I haven't seen a personality test that's any good unless it focuses strictly on one aspect of your personality, and even then the test is extensive and the possible outcomes have many millions of permutations.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: 3 on April 29, 2010, 07:16:38 pm

The point, I suppose, is that ideally, such a test should be well-constructed enough so that the answer chosen reflects whatever attribute is being looked for in the participant in a general fashion and allows for a valid conclusion to be reached by the time that all the questions have been answered. (That was a long sentence.)

That said, I'm surprised that what was presumably the choice of attempting to veil the implications of answers given in the alignment quiz was made - if there was blatantly one answer to each question for each possible alignment, sure, people might be tempted to try to deliberately play into certain roles rather than answering naturally, but that always happens with hypothetical-situation-multiple-choice things like this, and you'd probably end up with a better result in the end. Perhaps whoever was responsible simply couldn't think of enough answers.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Neruz on April 29, 2010, 08:23:06 pm

It's a Dungeons and Dragons Alignment Test, why on earth were you expecting world-class psychology?

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jreengus on April 30, 2010, 07:02:50 am

Spoiler: Cattel 16 (click to show/hide)

Warmth     |||||||||     30%
Intellect    |||||||||||||||||||||    62%
Emotional Stability    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Aggressiveness    ||||||    14%
Liveliness    ||||||    18%
Dutifulness    |||||||||||||||    50%
Social Assertiveness    |||    10%
Sensitivity    ||||||||||||||||||    58%
Paranoia    |||||||||||||||||||||    66%
Abstractness    |||||||||||||||    50%
Introversion    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    78%
Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Openmindedness    |||||||||||||||||||||    62%
Independence    ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||    82%
Perfectionism    |||||||||||||||    42%
Tension    ||||||||||||||||||||||||    74%

So, I'm a very passive sloth? Sounds about right to me.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on April 30, 2010, 01:33:43 pm

Watch out Jreengus, all that anxiety can't be good for you.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Errol on April 30, 2010, 01:37:28 pm

Spoiler: AGPT (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||||||||||||     43%
Stability    ||||||||||||||    56%
Orderliness    ||    10%
Accommodation    ||||||||||||||||    63%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||||    60%
Interdependence    ||||||    30%
Mystical    ||||||||||||||    60%
Materialism    ||||||||||||||    60%
Narcissism    ||||||||||||    50%
Adventurousness    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Work ethic    ||||    20%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||||    50%
Need to dominate    ||||    20%
Romantic    ||||||||||    40%
Avoidant    ||||||||||    40%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
   
Wealth    ||||||||||||||    60%
Dependency    ||||||||||||    50%
Change averse    ||||||||||||||    60%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||    50%
Individuality    ||||||||||    40%
Sexuality    ||||||||||||    50%
Peter pan complex    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Histrionic    ||||||||||||    50%
Vanity    ||||    20%
Artistic    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Hedonism    ||    10%
Physical fitness    ||||    20%
Religious    ||||    20%
Paranoia    ||||||    30%
Hypersensitivity    ||||||||||||||    56%
Indie    ||||||||||||    50%

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: CrossBolt on April 30, 2010, 04:34:09 pm

That test really doesn't know me, likes following oreders (yeh right)  :-\

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Tarran on April 30, 2010, 04:40:10 pm

Quote from: DarkChasm on April 30, 2010, 04:34:09 pm

That test really doesn't know me, likes following oreders (yeh right)  :-\

Hmmm... Post in every thread you can find! That's an order!

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Rashilul on April 30, 2010, 08:57:27 pm

I did an advanced global:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||||||||||||||     56%
Stability    ||||||||||    36%
Orderliness    ||||||    30%
Accommodation    ||||||||||||    50%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||    50%
Interdependence    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Mystical    ||||    20%
Materialism    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Narcissism    ||||||    30%
Adventurousness    ||||||||||||||    60%
Work ethic    ||||||||||    40%
Conflict seeking    ||||||    30%
Need to dominate    ||||||    30%
Romantic    ||||||||||||    50%
Avoidant    ||||||    30%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||    50%
   
Wealth    ||||||    30%
Dependency    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Change averse    ||||||||||||    50%
Cautiousness    ||||||||||||||    60%
Individuality    ||||||||||    40%
Sexuality    ||||||||||||||    60%
Peter pan complex    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Histrionic    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Vanity    ||||||||||    40%
Artistic    ||||||||||||    50%
Hedonism    ||||||||||    40%
Physical fitness    ||||||||||    40%
Religious    ||    10%
Paranoia    ||||||||||    40%
Hypersensitivity    ||||||||||    36%
Indie    ||    10%

Stability results were moderately low which suggests you are worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious.

Orderliness results were low which suggests you are overly flexible, improvised, and fun seeking at the expense too often of reliability, work ethic, and long term accomplishment.

Extraversion results were moderately high which suggests you are, at times, overly talkative, outgoing, sociable and interacting at the expense of developing your own individual interests and internally based identity.

Whooooo, I'm super dependent! (http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/504/bestdorfevar.gif)

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: buckets on May 01, 2010, 01:03:32 am

I got lawful good on the DnD one, I was expecting chaotic neutral, so this is kinda nice.

Spoiler: And for the Jung dudes (click to show/hide)

Introverted (I) 52.94% Extroverted (E) 47.06%
Intuitive (N) 60.53% Sensing (S) 39.47%
Thinking (T) 50% Feeling (F) 50%
Perceiving (P) 55.26% Judging (J) 44.74%

Your type is: INFP

INFP - "Questor". High capacity for caring. Emotional face to the world. High sense of honor derived from internal values. 4.4% of total population.


Type 1       Perfectionism          ||||||||||    36%
Type 2    Helpfulness             ||||||||||||||||    70%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Type 4    Sensitivity              ||||||    30%
Type 5    Detachment           ||||||||||||||||||    76%
Type 6    Anxiety                  ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Type 7    Adventurousness     ||||||||||    40%
Type 8    Aggressiveness       ||||||||||||||||||    76%
Type 9    Calmness               ||||||||||||||||    63%

You scored as Type 3
   
That realy makes no sence to me, it's all contradictive.

EDIT: I tried to make the thingy all nicely layed out, but the forum is being a huge jerk

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Jreengus on May 01, 2010, 08:38:39 am

Took the D&D quiz and scored Chaotic Neutral, but I dislike it, so many question I didn't like any of the answers. To take an example the one about a famine, your choices are share your food or steal food, what about those who don't want to share but wouldn't start stealing either?

And the Global one:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Extraversion     ||     10%
Stability    ||||||||||||    43%
Orderliness    ||    10%
Accommodation    ||||    16%
Intellectual    ||||||||||    40%
Interdependence    ||||||||||||    50%
Mystical    ||    10%
Materialism    ||||||||||||||    60%
Narcissism    ||||||||||    40%
Adventurousness    ||||||    30%
Work ethic    ||||    20%
Conflict seeking    ||    10%
Need to dominate    ||    10%
Romantic    ||    10%
Avoidant    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Anti-authority    ||||    20%
   
Wealth    ||||||    30%
Dependency    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Change averse    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Cautiousness    ||||||    30%
Individuality    ||    10%
Sexuality    ||    10%
Peter pan complex    ||||||||||||||||||    80%
Histrionic    ||    10%
Vanity    ||    10%
Artistic    ||    10%
Hedonism    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Physical fitness    ||    10%
Religious    ||    10%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||    60%
Hypersensitivity    ||||||||||||    43%
Indie    ||    10%

Summary:

Stability results were moderately low which suggests you are worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious.

Orderliness results were very low which suggests you are overly flexible, improvised, and fun seeking at the expense too often of reliability, work ethic, and long term accomplishment.

Extraversion results were very low which suggests you are extremely reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive.

The summary seems about right except for the fun seeking part. I find the fact that I have high hedonism very amusing since reading the description I'm pretty much the opposite. I'm also amazed Narcissism is above 10% although peter pan complex seems to describe me perfectly.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: zchris13 on May 01, 2010, 10:37:38 am

Quote from: LeoLeonardoIII on April 29, 2010, 06:22:56 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

One problem with a test like this, giving you an alignment, is that the D&D alignment system has gone through revisions of meaning over the years. And the source material has very different things to say about Law vs Chaos for example than ever made it into publication.

And of course there's the perennial contentiousness around what certain alignments mean.


And this. (http://facepwn.com/posters/batman-alignment.jpg)

A secondary problem is that these personality tests are skewed by the preconceptions of the test maker. The language itself, and the words used in the test, skew the takers perception in different ways whether he's a native or non-native speaker (or if the test was translated!). The specific questions asked may or may not be understood in the way the test maker intended. The answers given may not be exactly what the test maker had in mind. The restrictiveness of a multiple-choice test is compounded by the test maker's choice in potential answers. The very order in which the answers are provided will subtly shift answers over the whole population of test-takers.

A tertiary problem is in the daily variances in our answers. One is not a substantially different person day to day, yet the test may yield different results. Are you tired? Drunk? High? Hungry? Need to pee? All of these may or may not influence your decision-making.

Finally, mapping the outcomes of one bad test with the outcomes of another bad test, which are only superficially related, and which are re-imagined to match better with each other, is of limited value.

Specifically relating to the D&D quiz, I take exception to the statement that "lawful people tend to work at secure jobs -- this doesn't mean that working a steady job makes you lawful". Practicing being good, or bad, or sloppy, or neat, or cowardly, or courageous, will actually change your decision-making process in the future. What we experience changes us, sometimes in fundamental ways. Just look at most people who spend time in the military. They exit with certain habits relating to hygiene and sleep schedule common to members of their unit. That the test maker succumbs to such a simple mistake suggests that deeper, more profound disasters of methodology are possible.

The D&D quiz also seemingly gives you a numerical value in some way for each answer, then averages them. In this way, answering "I like to give money to everyone" and "I like to eat babies and kick puppies" would average you out at Neutral when clearly there is a more complex conclusion.

One specific question in the D&D quiz asks:
A powerful but corrupt judge offers you wealth if you'll testify against a friend. Do you:

1: Condemn your friend and take the money
2: Take the money and testify, but try to keep your testimony ineffective
3: Refuse the offer and refuse to testify
4: Testify on your friend's behalf, no matter the consequences

Nowhere in the answers is "testify truthfully regardless of loyalty to the friend or the judge", "bring a recording device to get evidence and turn in the judge", "take the money and murder the judge", "murder the judge immediately upon his offer", "break your friend out of jail and help him escape", or the strange choice "refuse the money but testify against your friend anyway because you're petty and cruel for its own sake". All of the people who would have answered any of those get left out in the cold, and instead of showing up on the population graph as what they really are, they are crammed into one of the other categories.

I've taken enough of these to understand that they're meaningless. I haven't seen a personality test that's any good unless it focuses strictly on one aspect of your personality, and even then the test is extensive and the possible outcomes have many millions of permutations.

I think your conclusions say something deeper about everything, reveal something much more meaningful than just the invalidity of these bullshit tests.  It strikes a chord with me and my perspective.  Complex systems, like ourselves? Any sort of simple rules or general system cannot fully encompass our depth and breadth.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on May 07, 2010, 12:49:23 pm

Quote from: zchris13 on May 01, 2010, 10:37:38 am

Quote from: LeoLeonardoIII on April 29, 2010, 06:22:56 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

One problem with a test like this, giving you an alignment, is that the D&D alignment system has gone through revisions of meaning over the years. And the source material has very different things to say about Law vs Chaos for example than ever made it into publication.

And of course there's the perennial contentiousness around what certain alignments mean.


And this. (http://facepwn.com/posters/batman-alignment.jpg)

A secondary problem is that these personality tests are skewed by the preconceptions of the test maker. The language itself, and the words used in the test, skew the takers perception in different ways whether he's a native or non-native speaker (or if the test was translated!). The specific questions asked may or may not be understood in the way the test maker intended. The answers given may not be exactly what the test maker had in mind. The restrictiveness of a multiple-choice test is compounded by the test maker's choice in potential answers. The very order in which the answers are provided will subtly shift answers over the whole population of test-takers.

A tertiary problem is in the daily variances in our answers. One is not a substantially different person day to day, yet the test may yield different results. Are you tired? Drunk? High? Hungry? Need to pee? All of these may or may not influence your decision-making.

Finally, mapping the outcomes of one bad test with the outcomes of another bad test, which are only superficially related, and which are re-imagined to match better with each other, is of limited value.

Specifically relating to the D&D quiz, I take exception to the statement that "lawful people tend to work at secure jobs -- this doesn't mean that working a steady job makes you lawful". Practicing being good, or bad, or sloppy, or neat, or cowardly, or courageous, will actually change your decision-making process in the future. What we experience changes us, sometimes in fundamental ways. Just look at most people who spend time in the military. They exit with certain habits relating to hygiene and sleep schedule common to members of their unit. That the test maker succumbs to such a simple mistake suggests that deeper, more profound disasters of methodology are possible.

The D&D quiz also seemingly gives you a numerical value in some way for each answer, then averages them. In this way, answering "I like to give money to everyone" and "I like to eat babies and kick puppies" would average you out at Neutral when clearly there is a more complex conclusion.

One specific question in the D&D quiz asks:
A powerful but corrupt judge offers you wealth if you'll testify against a friend. Do you:

1: Condemn your friend and take the money
2: Take the money and testify, but try to keep your testimony ineffective
3: Refuse the offer and refuse to testify
4: Testify on your friend's behalf, no matter the consequences

Nowhere in the answers is "testify truthfully regardless of loyalty to the friend or the judge", "bring a recording device to get evidence and turn in the judge", "take the money and murder the judge", "murder the judge immediately upon his offer", "break your friend out of jail and help him escape", or the strange choice "refuse the money but testify against your friend anyway because you're petty and cruel for its own sake". All of the people who would have answered any of those get left out in the cold, and instead of showing up on the population graph as what they really are, they are crammed into one of the other categories.

I've taken enough of these to understand that they're meaningless. I haven't seen a personality test that's any good unless it focuses strictly on one aspect of your personality, and even then the test is extensive and the possible outcomes have many millions of permutations.

I think your conclusions say something deeper about everything, reveal something much more meaningful than just the invalidity of these bullshit tests.  It strikes a chord with me and my perspective.  Complex systems, like ourselves? Any sort of simple rules or general system cannot fully encompass our depth and breadth.

I think it's like saying your character has "Dexterity". Does that mean manual dexterity with your fingers? Agility with your whole body? Running speed? Balance? Aim? But you can't have a stat for each one, that bogs down the game. Same deal, if you impose one of 9 alignment categories on a real person or a sufficiently interesting fictional character, it doesn't work.

Title: Re: Where you in the D&D moral alignment?
Post by: Neruz on May 07, 2010, 04:43:15 pm

Considering DnD is a game; pretty much all the stats are deliberately simplified and abstracted so as to make tracking them easier.

Also your avatar is awesome.