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Title: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Char13magne on May 03, 2010, 02:09:53 pm
So, just wanted to know. I personally speak a little French. Much appreciated! (Oh, and sorry for the large number of choices, I didn't want to make anybody feel left out :).)
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vector on May 03, 2010, 02:22:36 pm
Hello, there.  French, Japanese, a smattering of terrible Arabic.  I'm planning on studying Russian and German since I need them for my future career, and Polish for the hell of it.

Okay and I also want to learn Hindi and Chinese :I  But don't tell anyone.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Jervous on May 03, 2010, 02:24:40 pm
I speak mostly french and english...
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Dwarf on May 03, 2010, 02:26:35 pm
Bragging time.

I'm 14 and speak German and English (with a few errors here and there) fluently, French much above average (though not perfectly), and am currently learning Swedish. After that, bokmål (Norwegian). After that, Danish. After that, Nynorsk if I find any resource. (This will serve as gateway to the western Scandinavian languages) After that, Icelandic. After that, Faroese.

You see, I am planning on becoming a North Germanic language polyglot, because they are the most awesome languages of mankind, in sound and history.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: RedKing on May 03, 2010, 02:49:54 pm
Depends on your definition of "speak". I'm moderately fluent in German and Mandarin, and used to be pretty good in Russian, Japanese and Spanish, but have gotten seriously rusty after 15+ years of disuse.

And I know a small smattering of Czech, mainly how to say good day (dobry den) and how to order a beer (adno pivo, prosim). And really, that's all you need to know when you're in Prague. Everything else is window dressing.  :P

I'd like to learn Arabic at some point, but I'm getting to the point where my brain is fairly ossified and learning new languages is increasingly painful. Especially ones with entirely new writing systems. I self-learned the Cyrillic alphabet when I was a kid, but I still struggle mightily with Hanzi even after two years of formal instruction.

Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vector on May 03, 2010, 02:54:58 pm
I'd like to learn Arabic at some point, but I'm getting to the point where my brain is fairly ossified and learning new languages is increasingly painful. Especially ones with entirely new writing systems. I self-learned the Cyrillic alphabet when I was a kid, but I still struggle mightily with Hanzi even after two years of formal instruction.

The writing system isn't too bad, actually... what you need to watch out for is the grammar/case system, which wants to kill you and take your lunch money.  Pronunciation is difficult, but manageable with a lot of time spent walking around making funny noises.

All-in-all, not too bad--especially if you managed to tackle Russian, which I hear has roughly the same difficulty.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Char13magne on May 03, 2010, 02:56:43 pm
Depends on your definition of "speak". I'm moderately fluent in German and Mandarin, and used to be pretty good in Russian, Japanese and Spanish, but have gotten seriously rusty after 15+ years of disuse.

And I know a small smattering of Czech, mainly how to say good day (dobry den) and how to order a beer (adno pivo, prosim). And really, that's all you need to know when you're in Prague. Everything else is window dressing.  :P

I'd like to learn Arabic at some point, but I'm getting to the point where my brain is fairly ossified and learning new languages is increasingly painful. Especially ones with entirely new writing systems. I self-learned the Cyrillic alphabet when I was a kid, but I still struggle mightily with Hanzi even after two years of formal instruction.

I've been to Prague, all I know is "thank you" (probably spelled incorrectly) Dyaquei, or Děkuji, or something.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Bardum Idith on May 03, 2010, 03:08:43 pm
German, bad Latin and around 20 words of Japanese, but I think that last doesn't count.

And a bit of elvish (Sindarin). That needs to be on the list, seriously  ;D
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Char13magne on May 03, 2010, 03:11:30 pm
German, bad Latin and around 20 words of Japanese, but I think that last doesn't count.

And a bit of elvish (Sindarin). That needs to be on the list, seriously  ;D

Eh, its closest one of the Yugoslavian dialects (or maybe Czech/Polish, those two languages are abolutely magnificient ;D).
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Nilocy on May 03, 2010, 03:21:41 pm
I speak Scots Gaelic, that isn't on the list.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: warhammer651 on May 03, 2010, 03:25:06 pm
does 1337 5p34k count as a language?
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: RedKing on May 03, 2010, 03:27:18 pm
I'd like to learn Arabic at some point, but I'm getting to the point where my brain is fairly ossified and learning new languages is increasingly painful. Especially ones with entirely new writing systems. I self-learned the Cyrillic alphabet when I was a kid, but I still struggle mightily with Hanzi even after two years of formal instruction.

The writing system isn't too bad, actually... what you need to watch out for is the grammar/case system, which wants to kill you and take your lunch money.  Pronunciation is difficult, but manageable with a lot of time spent walking around making funny noises.

All-in-all, not too bad--especially if you managed to tackle Russian, which I hear has roughly the same difficulty.

LOL. Yeah, Russian has a lot of endings depending on declension, case, gender, etc. I understand it's almost as complicated as Latin (I think Latin has 6 cases, Russian has 5 IIRC?). Pronunciation shouldn't be a problem after managing Russian consonants and Chinese vowels. And tones. Oh God, tones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_(linguistics)).  :'(

The sad part about tones is that they're essentially useless and most Chinese more or less ignore them anyways, but they're absolutely critical if you're only saying one or two words. Long sentences they can figure out by context. But a single word can mean dozens of different things, even in context and the only clue to help a listener is its tone. Thus, if you botch the tones and use short sentences, much hilarity ensues.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Char13magne on May 03, 2010, 03:32:00 pm
does 1337 5p34k count as a language?

Only if you're fluent :P.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Soadreqm on May 03, 2010, 03:40:28 pm
Finnish as a first language. :)
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Dwarf on May 03, 2010, 03:44:02 pm
Finland. Icy seas of forests, Korpiklaani and awesome.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Pillow_Killer on May 03, 2010, 03:48:37 pm
Hello threre, Russian guy here. There's no such language as "American". It's called English for a reason, you goddamn egocentric.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Char13magne on May 03, 2010, 03:54:05 pm
Hello threre, Russian guy here. There's no such language as "American". It's called English for a reason, you goddamn egocentric.

Ahhhhh, I never said to an "American speaker," I simply said "to an American." Happy that I had to say that, hmmmmmm??? >:(
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vector on May 03, 2010, 04:38:12 pm
Pronunciation shouldn't be a problem after managing Russian consonants and Chinese vowels.

There's some really weird and rare ones, which stump the best linguistics student I know when it comes to their proper pronunciation.  Just consider them special prizes that come with the language :D
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Leafsnail on May 03, 2010, 04:44:44 pm
I don't really speak any languages fluently other than English.  I have what could be described as "holiday" German and French, and a fair bit of Latin (only reading, mind you... the times where you'll be asked to speak Latin are few and far between).

I hear that Icelandic is meant to be the hardest language in the world.  An Icelandic friend of a friend needed speech therapy just to be able to say his own name (my friend just calls him "Hee-air", but says there's meant to be an L in there somewhere and a couple of accents) and his Taiwanese mother still can't say it.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Ultimuh on May 03, 2010, 04:50:56 pm
You forgot Danish on the list!

Anyway, I speak Fluently Swedish, Danish and English.
And Even tough I live in Greenland, I only know few words and sentences.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Leafsnail on May 03, 2010, 04:54:05 pm
Also, I like the "You may only select up to 26 options" at the top.  Damnit, I can speak 28 languages!
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Boksi on May 03, 2010, 05:18:03 pm
I speak two Icelandic and English pretty fluently, Danish decently and I might possibly understand you if you speak slowly in German.

@Leafsnail: I'm pretty sure it's only in the top three, along with Chinese and some other language.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Leafsnail on May 03, 2010, 05:48:53 pm
Well, after some very quick research, what I got was
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* The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) of the US Department of State has compiled approximate learning expectations for a number of languages. Of the 63 languages analyzed, the five most difficult languages to reach proficiency in speaking and proficiency in reading (for native English speakers who already know other languages), requiring 88 weeks, are: "Arabic, Cantonese, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean". The Foreign Service Institute considers Japanese to be the most difficult of this group.[2]
Although I suspect they just need Arabic, Japanese and Mandarin a lot more than they need other tough languages, and therefore have to teach more people it.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 03, 2010, 06:05:31 pm
Polish native speaker here. Like(almost) every other Pole, I can boast of an ability to pronounce this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrz%C4%85szcz). Despite such a magnificent feat of tongue-twisting skill, I'm completely dumbfounded whenever I hear somebody speaking Welsh.

ed:
I'm planning on studying Russian and German since I need them for my future career, and Polish for the hell of it.
Hell yeah! Learn Polish, you'll be able to read Stefan Banach's works in original!(and that probably sums up the big names in mathematics from around here)
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Onlyhestands on May 03, 2010, 06:11:55 pm
Native English speaker
I speak some Spanish and French, and I'm hoping to be fluent in at least one of of the two when I get out of college. My Spanish used to be pretty good but I didn't take it last year and my skills atrophied pretty quickly. French, I know the different tenses, grammar, and pronouns well though my vocabulary is lacking.

Also I can swear in Polish (I think that they're swears at least-my mother yells them whenever shes angry or annoyed), and I can ask where the beer is in German.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vector on May 03, 2010, 06:36:37 pm
Hell yeah! Learn Polish, you'll be able to read Stefan Banach's works in original!(and that probably sums up the big names in mathematics from around here)

No, you guys have loads of great mathematicians, actually >_>  It seems vaguely unfair.  Kuratowski, to name one... I have books by others, but I can't for the life of me remember how to type their names ;_;
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Char13magne on May 03, 2010, 06:44:36 pm

and I can ask where the beer is in German.

A highly uselful piece of German to know, especially in Germany!
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: chaoticag on May 03, 2010, 07:15:19 pm
I'd like to learn Arabic at some point, but I'm getting to the point where my brain is fairly ossified and learning new languages is increasingly painful. Especially ones with entirely new writing systems. I self-learned the Cyrillic alphabet when I was a kid, but I still struggle mightily with Hanzi even after two years of formal instruction.

The writing system isn't too bad, actually... what you need to watch out for is the grammar/case system, which wants to kill you and take your lunch money.  Pronunciation is difficult, but manageable with a lot of time spent walking around making funny noises.
Vector, you just made my day. I was something of a Grammar buff in middleschool, and I still think that.

Also, Arabic grammar joke time! Printed in English untill the punch line, because I'm terribly slow at typing Arabic.
Two stoners were walking down the street, when they see a chubby man wearing baggy jeans, exposing his crack.
Stoner A: That man must be an Arabic teacher.
Stoner B: How can you tell?
Stoner A:من الفتح الظاهره علا آخره

Spoiler: explaining the joke (click to show/hide)

Pronunciation shouldn't be a problem after managing Russian consonants and Chinese vowels.

There's some really weird and rare ones, which stump the best linguistics student I know when it comes to their proper pronunciation.  Just consider them special prizes that come with the language :D
Yep, you need to use your throat often in Arabic... and the back of your tounge. I have yet to meet an American that can say my name right.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: ein on May 03, 2010, 08:10:11 pm
I speak English, Japanese, Sindarin, some Latin, and enough German to visit Germany.
I want to learn Russian, the North Germanic languages, and Arabic.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Heron TSG on May 03, 2010, 08:11:49 pm
I can understand Spanish relatively okay, and understand a little bit of the 'word-gender' and 'sentence structure' stuff. Mainly I speak 1337, English, Pig Latin, Fake Chinese, can read a bit of Latin and am thinking about learning either Welsh or German.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: DJ on May 03, 2010, 08:12:47 pm
Native Croatian speaker here. I also mostly understand German, but I couldn't put together a grammatically correct sentence in German if my life depended on it.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Bardum Idith on May 04, 2010, 04:35:23 am
I speak English, Japanese, Sindarin, some Latin, and enough German to visit Germany.
I want to learn Russian, the North Germanic languages, and Arabic.

Mae govannen, mellon e lam edhellen  :)
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Cheeetar on May 04, 2010, 04:40:04 am
Ich sprechen die Deutsch (a little bit).
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 04, 2010, 04:42:30 am
Hallo, Cheeetar! Ich haise Vester.

Tagalog, very little Latin, and very little German.

Also, English.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Cheeetar on May 04, 2010, 04:51:19 am
On a semi-related note, does anybody know how to get the weird double-s symbol that sort of looks like a capital B?
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Myroc on May 04, 2010, 06:13:55 am
Swedish as my main language. Pretty much fluent in English, and my French is horribad.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Bardum Idith on May 04, 2010, 06:16:22 am
On a semi-related note, does anybody know how to get the weird double-s symbol that sort of looks like a capital B?

You can write a character by holding down Alt, then typing its number on the numpad and releasing Alt afterwards. Somehow this number does not always equal the ASCII-value of a character, for example the number for ß is 225 on Windows, while it's ASCII-code is 223...
Some keyboard-layouts also allow you to write ß with AltGr+S, according to Wikipedia the US-layout does this.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: RedKing on May 04, 2010, 06:17:04 am
On a semi-related note, does anybody know how to get the weird double-s symbol that sort of looks like a capital B?

You mean this?: ß (it's called an Eszett)

There's Alt+key codes for it, but they don't seem to work here. I had to cut and paste.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Pwnzerfaust on May 04, 2010, 06:27:38 am
I speak English and German. Deutsch ist ausgezeichnet.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Dwarf on May 04, 2010, 06:37:41 am
Hallo, Cheeetar! Ich haise Vester.

Tagalog, very little Latin, and very little German.

Also, English.

Ob ich wohl ihre Papiere sehen könnte?

I love German. It is the language of... anger? I don't know, it sounds inherently rough.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: DJ on May 04, 2010, 06:50:16 am
Hasn't ß been replaces with ss?
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 04, 2010, 06:54:18 am
According to my German prof, yes. But, how did you do that?
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Bardum Idith on May 04, 2010, 06:58:52 am
I love German. It is the language of... anger? I don't know, it sounds inherently rough.
The language of anger! You made me laught out loud  :D

Hasn't ß been replaces with ss?
In Switzerland and Liechtenstein, but not yet in Germany.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Boksi on May 04, 2010, 09:25:58 am
I love German. It is the language of... anger? I don't know, it sounds inherently rough.
The language of anger! You made me laught out loud  :D
It's probably because of Rammstein, you know. But German sounds far better to my ears than French. Oh, the French. They don't even pronounce half of their letters, the wasteful twits.

;)
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Dwarf on May 04, 2010, 09:52:07 am
Well, IMO Germanic languages are sounding veryily more awesome than romace languages (French, Italian, Spanish...)

The Eszett (ß) is, as the name implies, infact a ligature of s and z, and is used for the 'sharp' s's, IIRC.
It seems it is gradually being phased out by grammar reforms.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Leafsnail on May 04, 2010, 10:11:38 am
My ß only works with alt + 0223.  For some reason.  I hope it isn't replaced  - "Ich heiße" and "der Fluß" just look so much better somehow.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: DJ on May 04, 2010, 11:27:17 am
According to my German prof, yes. But, how did you do that?
AltGr + ć

Hehehe, I bet you don't have "ć" either  :P
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 04, 2010, 11:34:45 am
I have something to confess...

I am a native English speaker, but I can hardly speak my native tongue, Tagalog. I am, as Jose Rizal said, "Worse than a smelly fish" for not knowing my native language.

I took Mandarin, but failed miserably.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 04, 2010, 11:37:54 pm
According to my German prof, yes. But, how did you do that?
AltGr + ć

Hehehe, I bet you don't have "ć" either  :P

...

I blame my keyboard.

I have something to confess...

I am a native English speaker, but I can hardly speak my native tongue, taglog. I am, as Jose Rizal said, "Worse than a smelly fish" for not knowing my native language.

I took Mandarin, but failed miserably.

“Ang hindi magmahal sa kanyang salita, mahigit pa sa hayop at malansang isda...”

It's okay, Jose Rizal was kind of a pro-Spanish snob. Which makes it kinda ironic that they killed him.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 04, 2010, 11:39:06 pm
AND I ONLY REALIZED NOW THAT I SPELLED IT WRONG

I DESERVE TO DIE

D:
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 04, 2010, 11:39:53 pm
I included the original quote instead, just for fun. :D
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 04, 2010, 11:40:30 pm
You... you meanie!

D:
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: ein on May 05, 2010, 01:31:38 am
But German sounds far better to my ears than French. Oh, the French. They don't even pronounce half of their letters, the wasteful twits.

I can't stand the way French people speak French.
Their accent is so arrogant and pretentious.
French with, say, a Germanic accent is actually pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: chaoticag on May 05, 2010, 01:59:28 am
I have something to confess...

I am a native English speaker, but I can hardly speak my native tongue, Tagalog. I am, as Jose Rizal said, "Worse than a smelly fish" for not knowing my native language.

I took Mandarin, but failed miserably.
Same here, albeit with Arabic. I avoid conversing with other Arabs because my Arabic is bad, and my Arabic is bad because I avoid speaking it. Vicious cycle there, and it was a miracle that I passed my ministry exam. Well, the professors helped everyone cheat, but my point still stands.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 02:00:59 am
Hehe, we can be smelly as rotten fish together.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: chaoticag on May 05, 2010, 02:05:23 am
Wait, holy crap, a third Arabic speaker!?

At this rate, my position as the best (albeit very flawed) Arabit speaker on the forums will be ousted!

Although my problem isn't with Arabic as a whole per se, since I'm a grammar buff, but with my limited vocabulary. Not knowing basic words is pretty bad.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 02:07:53 am
I really only know how to say hello, and some random assorted stuff.

I feel horrible.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: chaoticag on May 05, 2010, 02:09:45 am
At least you haven't screwed up in front of royalty.
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Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 02:10:53 am
hehe, I don't know the dialect they speak in Mindanao.

I mean, I don't think I'll visit those guys anytime soon....

Wait, you screwed up in front of royalty?! O.o
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: chaoticag on May 05, 2010, 02:16:22 am
I think I may have. They weren't big shot royalty but still.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 02:16:55 am
Hot damn. I've always wanted to do that.

Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: RedKing on May 05, 2010, 08:40:37 am
But German sounds far better to my ears than French. Oh, the French. They don't even pronounce half of their letters, the wasteful twits.

I can't stand the way French people speak French.
Their accent is so arrogant and pretentious.
French with, say, a Germanic accent is actually pretty awesome.
And the French should be used to hearing it with a German accent, as many times as they've surrendered to Germany.  :P
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 05, 2010, 10:10:16 am
But German sounds far better to my ears than French. Oh, the French. They don't even pronounce half of their letters, the wasteful twits.

I can't stand the way French people speak French.
Their accent is so arrogant and pretentious.
French with, say, a Germanic accent is actually pretty awesome.
And the French should be used to hearing it with a German accent, as many times as they've surrendered to Germany.  :P
Cut to Napoleon and WWI.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: SanDiego on May 05, 2010, 11:50:47 am
Foreign languages? Well, I'm pretty good at english.. wait, you meant foreign to you. Ah. I'm a native speaker of the great and beautiful Czech language (and as such I'm able to pronounce several vowel-free sentences and boast about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Str%C4%8D_prst_skrz_krk ), I know a bit of german, I can order a beer in Spanish, I dabble in latin and I can slowly read ancient greek.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 05, 2010, 12:25:19 pm
I saw a documental of National Geographic once, in which a guy traced human migrations through languages. He started off with bosquiman, which he said was the oldest language (and the only one to use clicks in it) and went eastward towards asia and finally native americans
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: RedKing on May 05, 2010, 01:06:34 pm
But German sounds far better to my ears than French. Oh, the French. They don't even pronounce half of their letters, the wasteful twits.

I can't stand the way French people speak French.
Their accent is so arrogant and pretentious.
French with, say, a Germanic accent is actually pretty awesome.
And the French should be used to hearing it with a German accent, as many times as they've surrendered to Germany.  :P
Cut to Napoleon and WWI.
I see your one win and one stalemate, and raise you a Franco-Prussian War and WWII. Series record: 2-1-1 in favor of Germany (we'll call WWI an overtime loss for Der Deutschesreich).

And this is all, of course, tongue-firmly-in-cheek.  :P

I saw a documental of National Geographic once, in which a guy traced human migrations through languages. He started off with bosquiman, which he said was the oldest language (and the only one to use clicks in it) and went eastward towards asia and finally native americans

Uh, that sounds like a poorly done documentary. There's no definitive "oldest" language, nor has linguistic evolution been linear, and there's a number of African languages with clicks in them. And I've hever heard of Bosquiman.

Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: SanDiego on May 05, 2010, 01:09:19 pm
Probably even the primitive hominids had some kind of primitive language to communicate in.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Dwarf on May 05, 2010, 01:46:04 pm
All languages spoken in most of Europe and Iran can be tracked back to Proto-Indo-Puropean.
The asiatic languages have other languages.

However, it is probably virtually impossible to go further back. Already the Proto-Indo-European language is a lot of guesswork and reconstruction.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: DJ on May 05, 2010, 03:14:59 pm
Except those damn Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian.
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Post by: RedKing on May 05, 2010, 03:56:34 pm
And Basques. And the Turks. And the Etruscans.

And then there's the Afroasiatic family (including the Semitic languages), which is as old or older than the Indo-European tree. And is utterly unrelated to Sino-Tibetan.

Bottom line: Ogg not invent language in one place and spread over world, because modern humans didn't all develop in one little cave in East Africa somewhere and then spread out. Precursor species had already spread geographically long before modern Homo sapiens developed language.

Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Dwarf on May 05, 2010, 04:01:05 pm
Well I meant most languages. Really, I'm not trying to retcon in my favour...

But yeah, basically what RedKing said.
The reconstructed proto-indo-european is, quoth the wikipedia, not practically usable to say as much as a sentence.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Karnewarrior on May 05, 2010, 04:32:55 pm
So, general consensus, I'm the only person here who can only speak one language?
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Dwarf on May 05, 2010, 04:53:57 pm
Yu r ze amerikan sterotoip
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Heron TSG on May 05, 2010, 06:19:43 pm
Yu r ze amerikan sterotoip
Is that the stereotype nowadays? Most colleges in the U.S.A. want only students who are fluent in at least two languages.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vector on May 05, 2010, 06:44:34 pm
Yu r ze amerikan sterotoip
Is that the stereotype nowadays? Most colleges in the U.S.A. want only students who are fluent in at least two languages.

"Fluent?"  Don't make me laugh.  Getting a 5 on Lit + Lang AP test for French/whatever does not fluency make.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Heron TSG on May 05, 2010, 06:58:18 pm
Whoops. I meant "has taken at least two consecutive semesters of a foreign language."
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Char13magne on May 05, 2010, 07:00:13 pm
Whoops. I meant "has taken at least two consecutive semesters of a foreign language."

Two, I thought it was four.......years :o!!!
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Metroid on May 05, 2010, 07:03:45 pm
I self-learned the Cyrillic alphabet when I was a kid, but I still struggle mightily with Hanzi even after two years of formal instruction.

It might be an age thing, as you suggested >_>
I'm a senior in high school and learning 汉字 (Hanzi, if you're computer isn't enabled for the characters) is a snap. Then again, I'm in my fourth year of formal education, plus some time in Beijing and a summer course.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vector on May 05, 2010, 07:43:23 pm
Whoops. I meant "has taken at least two consecutive semesters of a foreign language."

Two, I thought it was four.......years :o!!!

Yeah, it's four years.  Four years is a drop in the frickin' bucket when it comes to learning a language, though (at the high school level, at least).  I've been studying French for 15 years and Japanese for 8, got excellent scores on the AP tests and numerous language awards from my school... and I still don't consider myself fluent.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: chaoticag on May 05, 2010, 08:39:28 pm
I hear the best way to become fluent is to live in a foriegn language household that expects you to speak nothing but that language.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 06, 2010, 02:16:41 am
Since that's technically how we learned our primary language, that should work pretty well.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 02:17:33 am
Yeah, we only spoke English at home till my parents realized that I was horrid at Tagalog... BUT IT WAS TOO LATE DUN DUN DUNNNNN
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 06, 2010, 02:19:20 am
They probably expected you to pick it up from your friends. :P

My household is Tagalog - English, with some Bicolano depending on whether or not my mom is really pissed at me.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 02:28:49 am
Haha, I went to an international school. I guess they forgot :P
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 06, 2010, 02:30:16 am
International school? In the south?

I knoooow where you went to schoooooool
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Grakelin on May 06, 2010, 02:33:33 am
I've done a bit of French. I can handle a lot of the basic grammar. Didn't keep me from failing it in university, though. :(
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 02:36:10 am
I'm in Manila. :P
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 06, 2010, 02:39:50 am
Oh, damn. Never mind.

International school? In Manila?

I doooooon't knooooow where you went to schooooool
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 02:41:10 am
It's a rather newww oneeeee.....
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 06, 2010, 02:43:59 am
I gueeessed thaaat.

Also, whyyyy are weeee talking liiike lame ghooosts?
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 02:46:33 am
I guesssss becauuusee iiiiitss aweeesoommmeeeee

I want to learn french or german... I've always wanted to go there. I've heard from friends that it's great in those two countries.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vester on May 06, 2010, 02:47:57 am
UP and the ADMU have pretty good Foreign Lang programs. Taft's isn't as good, but it's passable.
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 02:49:57 am
Cool, I'll tell my mom about that. :D
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Char13magne on May 06, 2010, 06:06:50 am
Whoops. I meant "has taken at least two consecutive semesters of a foreign language."

Two, I thought it was four.......years :o!!!

Yeah, it's four years.  Four years is a drop in the frickin' bucket when it comes to learning a language, though (at the high school level, at least).  I've been studying French for 15 years and Japanese for 8, got excellent scores on the AP tests and numerous language awards from my school... and I still don't consider myself fluent.

Ever been to the countries you're studying? I'm sure you have, but that's important too (especially if you can nab an immersion program!).
I gueeessed thaaat.

Also, whyyyy are weeee talking liiike lame ghooosts?

And, (heh, heh) you guys just made a Young Frankenstien (with Gene Wilder) joke and you don't even know it ("Werewolf (*points*)!. No; there, wolf...there, castle. Why are you talking that way? I don't know, I thought you wanted to talk this way? No. Oh, whatever, I'm game!")!
Title: Re: Any Foreign (To an American) Language Speakers On The Forum?
Post by: Vector on May 06, 2010, 12:04:15 pm
Ever been to the countries you're studying? I'm sure you have, but that's important too (especially if you can nab an immersion program!).

I've been to France and Quebec, once.  My family's a bit low on time and money.