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Finally... => Forum Games and Roleplaying => Mafia => Topic started by: Org on May 07, 2010, 08:19:29 pm
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William Org, greatest director of the modern age, sat on his director stool. One with a nice pillow, as his back usually hurts. Today, he thought, would be the greatest day of his life. The first day of filming for the sci-fi epic thriller, Invaders of the GSD Kronos. The actors would be getting right now, he imagined. He had spent countless millions on this film. He even had made a life-sized model of the ship, with all of the systems working! This, he declared, this was the most important thing ever to happen. Ever.
An hour later, he was ready to begin the filming, and began to walk to the large two-way radio system he had set up to talk to the actors. As he arrived, he noticed a fight between his two managers, struggling for control over the headset used to talk with. Org ran, hoping that they would not destroy it, as it was vital to the film! But alas, as he arrived, one manager, Vector, pushed the other, Leafsnail, into the radio. A single tear fell as the radio cam crashing down, exploding into millions of pieces.
Org ran forth, in a rage!
"WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?" he yelled. "YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO USE THIS! ONLY I AM!".
After a few minutes of stunned silence, Leafsnail replied.
"It was her! I saw her go to the actor's servants, and she put something in their drinks! And then, as they went to the ship, she closed the doors on them! Locked 'em up tight! I could barely give them a brief message before she pushed me and broke the machine." he replied.
Org turned to Vector, as she stood, no saying a word.
He asked her, "What did you do? What?".
She answered with this.
"Oh, you will see. You will see when they are all dead!"
She began to laugh, a horrible laugh. And she would not stop. Org brought security, and locked her in her managing room. He did the same with Leafsnail, just to be sure that this was not a trick of his. He always pulls pranks. At least, no harm they could do there. He sat down, depressed-like. He could do nothing. No way to salvage the film!
An idea came to him...he could still film it! The actors, he hoped, would improvise. Maybe this could be a greater film then he could ever imagine.
...The actors, trapped like sheep for the slaughter, began to argue among themselves. Maybe one of them had done this? Maybe another. They fought and fought, before another voice was heard from there vox systems.
"I will help you. You must listen! Some among you might have been poisoned with a drug, thirsting for blood!"
They recognized the voice. It was the manager, Leafsnail!
...Leafsnail sat in his office, with a small, radio system. He could still help the actors. There was a chance!
...Vector sat in here office, still laughing. She pulled out here radio system, and began to talk. But to who did she talk to?
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Rules:
Votes in Red.
No PMing.
No Quoting PM from Mod.
No Editing.
Players
1.Diablous
2.Siquo
3.Spitfire
4.Cripfeind
5.Jokerman
6.Toaster
7.Knight
8.Blargityblarg
9.Char13magne
IC
Town
Leafsnail
Scum
Vector
Day One begins Now. Day 1 Ends at 9:30 PM -4 GMT, Monday, May 10.
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Knight: How many people are scum?
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I demand justice.
Toaster, why are you asking what you already know?
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Spitfire684: Maybe because it isn't in the first post.
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Looks like Org forgot to post the setup. Iirc, the possible roles are Doctor, Cop, Mafia Roleblocker and Godfather. There'll always be 2 scum.
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I demand justice.
Toaster, why are you asking what you already know?
Got to ask something. Might as well be game related, not random nonsense.
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I thought scum knew how many scum there were, am I wrong?
It makes a change from the random questions which are asked, which are not game related.
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Like... Blargityblarg, why is your avatar so scary? And stuff...
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So, when is night time, or lynching time, whichever comes first (I expect though that night time comes first).
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Yes scum do know who the scum are, maybe you should find out who the scum are from Char13magne
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So, when is night time, or lynching time, whichever comes first (I expect though that night time comes first).
When the day ends, whoever has the most votes is lynched, then night happens.
Cryptfeind, what do you think are the chances Org made you scum again?
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God damn criptfiend son of a bitch.
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I see, Knight. Unvote for now.
Different spellings of criptfeind's name this thread: 4, counting this one.
God damn criptfiend son of a bitch.
Why jump on him like that with no reasoning, no questioning? Feeling a little bandwagonny, Jokerman?
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Yo, dudes. Posting so I get this in my updates--no commentary so far.
Ride on, scumteam, ride on!!
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This.. random voting is just a bit senseless. You need to actually ask questions, and back it up with the vote.
Knight85, where's your question? It's not there. What you're doing is merely deflecting the question that was asked... Why?
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Yo, dudes. Posting so I get this in my updates--no commentary so far.
Ride on, scumteam, ride on!!
Ride em in on high!
Anyway, yes, two scum. You have 4 lynches in which to nail them.
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3. You have 3 lynches. Don't believe the lying town IC.
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You have 4 lynches in which you have to get both scum. There is nothing wrong with that statement.
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You have 4 lynches in which you have to get both scum. There is nothing wrong with that statement.
*argue argue argue*
Mostly, I don't want the town to think they get three free lynches.
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Well, if you take 3 out of 4, you have 1, which obviously isn't enough to get both mafia members.
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ICs must stop arguing, it's not helping xD
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Well, if you take 3 out of 4, you have 1, which obviously isn't enough to get both mafia members.
Plus if there's a doctor, no-lynch, roleblock, blah blah blah blah blah delayed boosted vig with a mind control ray and a big shiny spaceship.
Yeah, I'm just being picky at this point. Don't mind me.
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Well, if you take 3 out of 4, you have 1, which obviously isn't enough to get both mafia members.
Plus if there's a doctor, no-lynch, roleblock, blah blah blah blah blah delayed boosted vig with a mind control ray and a big shiny spaceship.
Yeah, I'm just being picky at this point. Don't mind me.
Ok, fine, if there are 2 kills blocked by a doc, town has 5 lynches. If that is the case, your scumteam is pretty screwed, though :P.
And spitfire - it's a tense showdown played out via proxy. We must keep arguing.
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If that is the case, your scumteam is pretty screwed, though :P
BMIV, my friend. I've learned my lesson about trying to kill CK, should she ever return to the Mafia subforum.
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Oh yeah... I'm missing all those random apostrophes everywhere. Having someone with a genuine verbal (textual?) tic here was fun :/.
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Like... Blargityblarg, why is your avatar so scary? And stuff...
It used to be merely unnerving, but then Itnetlolor got to it, and made it smile.
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Unvote
Well Siquo, for one, I don't see the giant billboard that says you must begin with a question, and Toaster asked a fairly meaningless question for the hell of it type of question that we don't really know the answer to. Although given the size of the game, it's probably two.
I think the real question is, why so aggressive with your accusations of deflection and suspicious activity unless you're covering for something yourself?
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I see, Knight. Unvote for now.
Different spellings of criptfeind's name this thread: 4, counting this one.
I am not understand why me name is so hard for you people (Sept you, you got it right) I mean really? Even org got it wrong.
Cryptfeind, what do you think are the chances Org made you scum again?
22.2 repeating %
God damn criptfiend son of a bitch.
Be less useful and I will kill you less. You are on a good track now though, no question AND you are random voting me when I got a random vote already.
I think I can skip the rv, Jokerman-EXE you better have a good reason you voted me when I had one.
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I see, Knight. Unvote for now.
Different spellings of criptfeind's name this thread: 4, counting this one.
I am not understand why me name is so hard for you people (Sept you, you got it right) I mean really? Even org got it wrong.
Cryptfeind, what do you think are the chances Org made you scum again?
22.2 repeating %
God damn criptfiend son of a bitch.
Be less useful and I will kill you less. You are on a good track now though, no question AND you are random voting me when I got a random vote already.
I think I can skip the rv, Jokerman-EXE you better have a good reason you voted me when I had one.
Umm, yes. I made a joke regarding your sig. Joking is what Jokerman do.
Regardless, unvote, vote Spitfire. What's with your active lurking? You're normally much more constructive and active. Scum?
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Fine, not exactly what I was looking for but Unvote
Now Knight what is up? Have you ever played mafia before?
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I see, Knight. Unvote for now.
Different spellings of criptfeind's name this thread: 4, counting this one.
I am not understand why me name is so hard for you people (Sept you, you got it right) I mean really? Even org got it wrong.
Cryptfeind, what do you think are the chances Org made you scum again?
22.2 repeating %
God damn criptfiend son of a bitch.
Be less useful and I will kill you less. You are on a good track now though, no question AND you are random voting me when I got a random vote already.
I think I can skip the rv, Jokerman-EXE you better have a good reason you voted me when I had one.
Umm, yes. I made a joke regarding your sig. Joking is what Jokerman do.
Regardless, unvote, vote Spitfire. What's with your active lurking? You're normally much more constructive and active. Scum?
Haha thats a good one... usually active? Nice joke jokerman.
No seriously cut the crap, I doubt its me the one whos lurking here, I have made at least two posts and im not sure why that makes me a lurker. Is this still a random vote or a serious accusation?
But anyways, Unvote. I shall then vote for someone who is more lurking than me.
Diablous, you don't usually don't lurk this much, there a problem? Any idea who it is already?
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I think the real question is, why so aggressive with your accusations of deflection and suspicious activity unless you're covering for something yourself?
Covering for what? Nobody accused me... You seem to try to take every accusation and turn it around to either someone else, or to the one who asked the question. Aggressiveness is what lures out the true selves of the scum. Pressure until they squirm enough. Although you're doing better now. Also, what cript asked: Have you ever played this before?
spitfire, you're talking too much. Again. And the last time (in the-game-that-we-will-no-longer-discuss ;)) I noticed that, I was right about you being scum. How scummy are you this time?
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One side saying I lurk. The other saying I talk too much. I cannot win this arguement, seriously.
I am almost prone to laughing out loud at this.
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Criptfeind - the fact that your name contains two misspelt words doesn't exactly help.
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Haha thats a good one... usually active? Nice joke jokerman.
No seriously cut the crap, I doubt its me the one whos lurking here, I have made at least two posts and im not sure why that makes me a lurker. Is this still a random vote or a serious accusation?
But anyways, Unvote. I shall then vote for someone who is more lurking than me.
Diablous, you don't usually don't lurk this much, there a problem? Any idea who it is already?
Unvote. I have to study for exams, and I wanted Cript to respond. I want to figure out if he's scum again, since he was good last time. If he's scum again, I want to figure it out ASAP. As for who it is, my suspicions are as follows:
1. Knight- Basically avoids the question and says Char13magne is scum with no backing, no questions. When Siquo presses him on it, he response stinks of OMGUS. He is far too defensive.
2. Jokerman- Clear bandwagon vote for no reason. Claims it was a joke later. Not exactly happy with that, and I'm not convinced if that is the truth.
So, Knight, you are being rather defensive. Your OMGUS towards Siquo is not helping you there. Avoiding accusations and trying to turn them agains others is not exactly the townie thing to do.
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VOTE COUNT
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Diablous-spitfire684
Siquo-Knight
Spitfire-Blargityblarg, Jokerman
Cripfeind-
Jokerman-Toaster
Toaster-
Knight-Siquo, criptfeind, diablous
Blargityblarg-
Char13magne-
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Umm, yes. I made a joke regarding your sig. Joking is what Jokerman do.
That explains the text of the comment, but not the lack of helpfulness. I'll unvote for now, but I've still got my eye on you.
In the meantime Char13mange, you have only posted once, and without contributing. (To answer your question, check the first post- times are listed there.) In addition, you were on earlier and didn't post. Come join the party! We won't bite. If you're town, help us scum hunt. If you're scum, you can try to avoid the noose that will find you eventually. Either way, what's your two cents on the current situation?
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BlargityBlarg hasn't done much either. A random vote and answering a question that was just an example is not very helpful. Not contributing much will end with your head in a noose.
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True. Just to expand on that:
Char13mange, BlargityBlarg, and Knight: What is your previous Mafia experience? If the answer's "none," that's fine (this *is* beginner's mafia), but I'm just curious. It'll help judge your reactions.
Full disclosure: This is my first game. However, I've read up on the wiki and have read several games here, so (I hope) I have some idea what's up.
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Simple question gets a simple answer.
How much have I played?
None, pretty much just lurking around other Mafia games and following how they proceed.
If you take my answers as defensive, so be it.
Unvote for now. It still strikes me as being rather aggressive stance as a response to what was a relatively random vote from me. I simply answered the first direct accusation of me being scum with a vote, I guess it may be a bad play and drawing extra suspicion, but I guess that's what beginner's mafia is for eh?
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If you take my answers as defensive, so be it.
Being too defensive gives the implication that you have something to hide. If you look like you have something to hide, it makes makes people think that you are scum.
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I shall vote for Siquo then, since the quick jump from lurking to too active was far too great, and it just makes me think Squios attacking as much as possible and trying to find a reason to do so as well. I would like to see the logic in that accusation.
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Haha thats a good one... usually active? Nice joke jokerman.
No seriously cut the crap, I doubt its me the one whos lurking here, I have made at least two posts and im not sure why that makes me a lurker. Is this still a random vote or a serious accusation?
But anyways, Unvote. I shall then vote for someone who is more lurking than me.
Diablous, you don't usually don't lurk this much, there a problem? Any idea who it is already?
I wasn't saying you're a lurker, per se. Just pointing out that your posts have been less than the usual helpful/accusatory that they are. Unvote. Keep up what you're doing.
Toaster, this may be your first game, but let me hear your suspicions thus far.
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You forgot to unvote Spit.
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Criptfeind - the fact that your name contains two misspelt words doesn't exactly help.
I made this name for the first time I ever played online, I was like 8 or something :P
And fuck, I just did what I accused joker of doing, unvote
Blargityblarg
Out of all the people here who would you want as a mafia buddy? And what are your thoughts on this game thus far?
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I knew I forgot something
Unvote
Vote Siquo
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Toaster, this may be your first game, but let me hear your suspicions thus far.
Sure thing.
#1 is Knight. I may be mistaking new play for scum tells, but he's on my radar.
#2 is you. This post is turning things around a bit, but you've hardly been pro town before that.
So far, no one else has really gotten me wondering.
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Thank you, knight. For now.
For the record: You did nothing really wrong, but to trick scum, you have to make them think they did something wrong, they might get scared, and slip up for real.
Unvote
I shall vote for Siquo then, since the quick jump from lurking to too active was far too great, and it just makes me think Squios attacking as much as possible and trying to find a reason to do so as well. I would like to see the logic in that accusation.
Logic? No logic. But this is interesting, though. I merely pointed a finger at you, and I get this worthless thing? One: Someone is only provably lurking if he's online and posting in other threads, but not in this one. Two: Yes, I am attacking as much as possible. That's how the game works. Pressure until you get something. Now then, spitfire, how do you justify attacking active players who are actually scumhunting? Active players are scary, aren't they? And I found out about you last time. That should still hurt, right? You think you can do better this time? Hide your nervousness better?
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Knight, what are your suspicions so far? Who do you think is scum?
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Thank you, knight. For now.
For the record: You did nothing really wrong, but to trick scum, you have to make them think they did something wrong, they might get scared, and slip up for real.
Unvote
I shall vote for Siquo then, since the quick jump from lurking to too active was far too great, and it just makes me think Squios attacking as much as possible and trying to find a reason to do so as well. I would like to see the logic in that accusation.
Logic? No logic. But this is interesting, though. I merely pointed a finger at you, and I get this worthless thing? One: Someone is only provably lurking if he's online and posting in other threads, but not in this one. Two: Yes, I am attacking as much as possible. That's how the game works. Pressure until you get something. Now then, spitfire, how do you justify attacking active players who are actually scumhunting? Active players are scary, aren't they? And I found out about you last time. That should still hurt, right? You think you can do better this time? Hide your nervousness better?
'Look at me! I'm actually doing something! Im helping the town right? So I'm town! Its so obvious im town' - My interpritation of what you are saying. Being active is not a problem to me. Attacking with pointless reasons is something else though.
I would like to ask, where was the logic in that accusation before?
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Using your
activeness over-activeness as a way to defend yourself is scummy to me.
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'Look at me! I'm actually doing something! Im helping the town right? So I'm town! Its so obvious im town' - My interpritation of what you are saying. Being active is not a problem to me. Attacking with pointless reasons is something else though.
I would like to ask, where was the logic in that accusation before?
Attacking those who do contribute (regardless of whether I am or not) for that exact reason is counterproductive. Really, pressure all you like and who you like, but not for the wrong reasons. If you go about yelling: "You're scumhunting and being active too much so you must be scum!" you are dissuading the other players to do that exact same thing. This results in everyone being too scared to actually hunt and do something. Now that would be a very depressing state for town. It would be great for scum though.
Another return question, I hope you finally start answering them: So why do you insist on activeness being scummy? Insist that asking unrelated illogical questions being scummy? This will only result in lurking, scared players, and the only one to gain from that is you scum.
For the other players, and especially the new ones: They are NOT scummy actions. It's your PURPOSE to be asking questions, pressuring people, even by using nonsense, keep hammering until it cracks so you can see what's inside...
The logic is in there: Pressure. The logic of my accusation: none. As I Said.
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Look whos talking. You were the one saying to me my 'talking too much' was making me scummy. So that would in theroy make you scum as well? How hypocritical... And your saying im not answering questions? Look at yourself, you didn't answer mine did you?
I will answer your questions, although I doubt you even deserve the answers anyway, scum don't need the answers anyway.
Overactiveness is scummy, yes. You were saying I'm scummy when I only posted twice, saying that was too much.
Asking irrevlent questions doesn't help at all, doesn't help town, but if the questions are real, that puts on more pressure then doesn't it?
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1. Talking too much is something entirely different than being active, and is relative. You talked more than in previous games, that's all.
2. Overactiveness is hardly to never scummy. In my experience, the overactive players get lynched the most on day 1 (remember Org?), but haven't been scum at all.
3. Irrelevant questions do help. It gets people to talk. Relevant questions are better, but there really aren't many relevant questions when we start.
4. Why are you suddenly so nervous?
What you are doing now is certainly not helping town. You are here, claiming that "activity is bad" and "asking a lot of questions is bad". Remember that a lot of them here only have 0 or 1 game under their belts, and don't have an exact idea of what to do.
Again, to everyone else: Do not let him frighten you into lurking or make you stop asking questions. That's what the scum wants you to do. Active players get killed off the first, during the night, because they are the real threats.
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Org is Org, thats all I have to say. Your saying I'm encuraging inactiveness. When you accused me of being inactive, that made me feel like I trod on a virtual tripwire. How much can you do to look scummy?
May I ask, what is your original reason of accusation?
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Initially, for you? Pure meta. As I did in the last game-we-dont-speak-of, where I turned out to be correct. :D
I... don't understand the rest of your post?
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Basically,
You sorta were acting like an alarm. I somehow set it off when I posted one too many times, with you saying 'Your talking too much'. Now thats encuraging inactivty right?
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Knight, what are your suspicions so far? Who do you think is scum?
I have a couple suspicions, but I think I'd like to see a little bit bit more out of them first. Anyone who gives off a vibe taking for granted that they're town is suspicious in my book. A couple people in here are doing that. Often from some of the other games I've watched, the lead inquisitor that states all the reasons why people are or aren't town is often the scum. But trying to put out a suspicion list like others have done here would just be disingenuous.
For the record, I would like to hear more from Char13mange, what are your feelings about activity level and whether that makes people more likely to be scum? So it's not just a big back and forth between spitfire and Siquo.
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You have some points. I never really like it when someone does not give out info, but you do have some points. Unvote.
Blargityblarg, all you have done is make a random vote, and answer a question that was just an example. Why are you not out here asking questions? Inactivity makes it harder to figure out if you are town or scum.
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
*looks at OP* Looks like a typical Org slip-up. Hopefully we don't have another game-ending one.
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
*looks at OP* Looks like a typical Org slip-up. Hopefully we don't have another game-ending one.
or maybe it is because I copy-pasta from the last game and didn't see it?
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
*looks at OP* Looks like a typical Org slip-up. Hopefully we don't have another game-ending one.
or maybe it is because I copy-pasta from the last game and didn't see it?
Ahh. Just try to avoid the incident-that-will-never-be-clearly-have-its-nature-mentioned again.
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
*looks at OP* Looks like a typical Org slip-up. Hopefully we don't have another game-ending one.
or maybe it is because I copy-pasta from the last game and didn't see it?
Ahh. Just try to avoid the incident-that-will-never-be-clearly-have-its-nature-mentioned again.
This time, I will send the wrong PM to a player!
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
*looks at OP* Looks like a typical Org slip-up. Hopefully we don't have another game-ending one.
or maybe it is because I copy-pasta from the last game and didn't see it?
Ahh. Just try to avoid the incident-that-will-never-be-clearly-have-its-nature-mentioned again.
This time, I will send the wrong PM to a player!
*facepalms*
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
*looks at OP* Looks like a typical Org slip-up. Hopefully we don't have another game-ending one.
or maybe it is because I copy-pasta from the last game and didn't see it?
Ahh. Just try to avoid the incident-that-will-never-be-clearly-have-its-nature-mentioned again.
This time, I will send the wrong PM to a player!
*facepalms*
hehe.
Just messing bro.
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BTW, I just noticed that the mod has two different end dates for day one listed in the OP. I'm guessing the Monday one is probably the valid one.
I think monday is when it is set to end, but we can extend it to wednesday.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
*looks at OP* Looks like a typical Org slip-up. Hopefully we don't have another game-ending one.
or maybe it is because I copy-pasta from the last game and didn't see it?
Ahh. Just try to avoid the incident-that-will-never-be-clearly-have-its-nature-mentioned again.
This time, I will send the wrong PM to a player!
*facepalms*
hehe.
Just messing bro.
I know, I know. ;D Kinda chuckled at it.
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Blarg, come out and play! Who do you think is the scum, here?
Char13mange, I haven't forgotten about you. You've been active since my last post and still haven't done anything.
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incident-that-will-never-be-clearly-have-its-nature-mentioned again.
You mean the one where he sent the names of all the scum to one guy and than confirmed that that guy was not lying?
Note for the people attacking Blarg because he is not posting; his last post was the last time he was on, give him some time.
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Also I know a lot of people don't have time on the weekends, can we make weekends count for zero hours like the other games tend too?
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Also I know a lot of people don't have time on the weekends, can we make weekends count for zero hours like the other games tend too?
Yeah, extend til Wednesday 9:30.
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And so returns the glorious Blarg!
Sorry for inactivity; I had family over during Mother's Day, so I had to be social.
I have no Mafia experience. I read through BMIX and some of the Mafia Wiki a while ago, though.
Out of all the people here who would you want as a mafia buddy? And what are your thoughts on this game thus far?
Assuming I was Mafia, that is. I honestly have no idea. Someone with experience outside of this game, but I don't know who that is.
My thoughts on the game are basically 'Shit, I gotta learn to read people's names on their posts'
I am leaning towards Spitfire as scum at the moment, but that's just because Siquo was making more sense during their exchange. I'm not at all sure about Criptfeind; he may or may not have been buddying on me as an attempt to make me look scummy when he explained my lack of posts. He could equally have just been trying to streamline scumhunting away from someone who wasn't really looking scummy.
Beyond that, I have no clue.
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Basically,
You sorta were acting like an alarm. I somehow set it off when I posted one too many times, with you saying 'Your talking too much'. Now thats encuraging inactivty right?
This is how you "normally" talk. Two, perhaps three lines of text, and done. That was what I meant by "talking too much", it was relative to what I was used to, from you.
I'll be watching you. For now Unvote.
Criptfeind. You did pretty well last game. But... what are you doing now?
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Blarg, come out and play! Who do you think is the scum, here?
Char13mange, I haven't forgotten about you. You've been active since my last post and still haven't done anything.
Yeah yeah, I'm coming, where do you young folk get your energy *cough* *hack*
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Criptfeind. You did pretty well last game. But... what are you doing now?
I don't really know what you mean, if it is because of the less posts that is because I was going though a hard time during that game and I was escaping away from life by playing the computer. Now I don't have as much time.
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You vote, ask a question, vote, ask a question, vote, ask a question. Commendable for trying, but one question is hardly going to make the difference in seeing who's what.
So what are you doing?
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Right now? Waiting. And headacheing.
Although I see what you mean let us vote and not say anything, or say stuff but not vote. It is sure to work.
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Blarg, come out and play! Who do you think is the scum, here?
Char13mange, I haven't forgotten about you. You've been active since my last post and still haven't done anything.
Yeah yeah, I'm coming, were do you young folk get your energy *cough* *hack*
Any day now.
Anyone else think we have an activity problem?
Question for Diablous, because I haven't bugged you yet: Of the people in this game you have played with, who best served the town?
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Blarg, come out and play! Who do you think is the scum, here?
Char13mange, I haven't forgotten about you. You've been active since my last post and still haven't done anything.
Yeah yeah, I'm coming, were do you young folk get your energy *cough* *hack*
Any day now.
Anyone else think we have an activity problem?
Question for Diablous, because I haven't bugged you yet: Of the people in this game you have played with, who best served the town?
Yes.
As for your question, I've played with 4 of these guys before, all in the original BMX. Cript and Spitfire were the scum then, Cript was convincing and tore an experienced player that sub'd in a new one verbally, Spit was somewhat convincing; and they mislead the town. Jokerman struck me as somewhat weak there, but he managed to figure out Cript was using a scummy townie called Azulth as a scapegoat, so he wasn't too bad. Too bad he was killed on night 1. Last is Siquo. He was very aggresive there, but when day 1 ended, his top 3 list had both of the scum in it, and me. I did not do well on day 1. I would say Siquo helped the town the best.
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Right now? Waiting. And headacheing.
Although I see what you mean let us vote and not say anything, or say stuff but not vote. It is sure to work.
I mean how do you get information enough by just asking one question? What are your opinions of the people you questioned so far, and how did you come to those conclusions?
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Well I know where my vote is staying until something happens otherwise.
Char13magne, just popped in said hi, and still didn't contribute anything. So if we lynch him its a win/win situation, either he's scum, or he's just plain inactive, even though he's obviously "around."
Am I wrong here everyone?
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Right now? Waiting. And headacheing.
Although I see what you mean let us vote and not say anything, or say stuff but not vote. It is sure to work.
I mean how do you get information enough by just asking one question? What are your opinions of the people you questioned so far, and how did you come to those conclusions?
I seemed to miss his last post, I will go over this thread again with more questions.
I do not have enough info but I am finding some things enlightening, such as (now that I see I missed his post) how you are acting completely different in regards to your attack (at lest on me) than you did last game.
This all seems very "chill"
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Unvote
Well Siquo, for one, I don't see the giant billboard that says you must begin with a question, and Toaster asked a fairly meaningless question for the hell of it type of question that we don't really know the answer to. Although given the size of the game, it's probably two.
It is pointless and unhelpful to not ask a question.
Umm, yes. I made a joke regarding your sig. Joking is what Jokerman do.
Stop. Don't joke, mafia needs 100% from each player to work and be fun.
spitfire, you're talking too much.
Why the fuck are you attacking someone for talking too much? And than you say:"You're scumhunting and being active too much so you must be scum!"
You attack him for doing what you are doing? Really? "You cant attack but I can!" Really? I don't think it is ever a bad thing for people to talk.
1. Talking too much is something entirely different than being active, and is relative. You talked more than in previous games, that's all.
2. Overactiveness is hardly to never scummy. In my experience, the overactive players get lynched the most on day 1 (remember Org?), but haven't been scum at all.
3. Irrelevant questions do help. It gets people to talk. Relevant questions are better, but there really aren't many relevant questions when we start.
4. Why are you suddenly so nervous?
What you are doing now is certainly not helping town. You are here, claiming that "activity is bad" and "asking a lot of questions is bad". Remember that a lot of them here only have 0 or 1 game under their belts, and don't have an exact idea of what to do.
Again, to everyone else: Do not let him frighten you into lurking or make you stop asking questions. That's what the scum wants you to do. Active players get killed off the first, during the night, because they are the real threats.
God damn it. What the hell are you thinking you hypocrite?
I have a couple suspicions, but I think I'd like to see a little bit bit more out of them first. Anyone who gives off a vibe taking for granted that they're town is suspicious in my book. A couple people in here are doing that. Often from some of the other games I've watched, the lead inquisitor that states all the reasons why people are or aren't town is often the scum. But trying to put out a suspicion list like others have done here would just be disingenuous.
Um no. First thing a Towny needs to do is kill scum. Than they need to protect Townies that can help the town more than them. Than they can worry about living.
It is soooo scummy to say who you think is scum. Complete honesty is a great way to go for the town.
he may or may not have been buddying on me as an attempt to make me look scummy when he explained my lack of posts.
Last BMX we really almost had a lynch because a guy did not post for six hours.
Cript and Spitfire were the scum then.
Ah, that was a fun game.
So you know, Siquo is a hypocrite.
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Last BMX we really almost had a lynch because a guy did not post for six hours.
Regardless, it's a possibility.
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And Criptfeind has just explained what the hell I have been going on about for the last 2 days, making more sense than I did in the process.
Thanks for that.
Siquo is behaving differently to me, a strange vibe that I don't really like. Different from what I'm used to from him. Or is it normal for you to be aggressive like this Siquo? So aggressive you become hypocritical?
Perhaps, but what am I to know at this stage. Not a hell of alot.
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It is soooo scummy to say who you think is scum. Complete honesty is a great way to go for the town.
Um what? Read the question much?
So.. its scummy to say who you think is scum, but when I was asked who I thought was scum and didn't say, just saying I has suspicions, somehow that is bad because it isn't complete honesty.
Um no. First thing a Towny needs to do is kill scum. Than they need to protect Townies that can help the town more than them. Then they can worry about living
First of all, what you just typed there means absolutely nothing.. of course you're trying to kill scum, that's the point of the game! But how you go about it changes every game, and that townie you think you're protecting because he's so good at finding scum, might just be the scum you're looking for. Point is, aside from getting to know the way people play and their general personality, I can tell enough about this that there isn't just a template you can follow as you try to play it. So get off your suddenly attained high horse, even I do agree with some of the things you said in that wall of quotes..
Scum or condescending townie,whatever you happen to be... both just as bad for the cause of winning as far as I'm concerned.
As far as trying to protect myself, heh, I could care less. Go ahead and start a bandwagon to lynch me, and find out my true identity, who knows maybe it'll help to find scum.
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you hypocrite?
Have you at all read why I said spit talked too much? I guess not. Here it is again: relative based on what he did before in other games.
But this is an interesting turn.
Every single person I attacked so far, has OMGUSed. Interesting, but useless if everyone does it.
The chances of both you and spit both being scum again are too slim, but now I have to wonder, who of you is making use of the suspicions of the other?
Cript, you have a nonsensical wall of text, attacking me on only one point that's clearly been taken out of context. Your attempts to "educate the masses" on who is scummy and who is not apparently have had no effect. Having spitfire behind you should get things rolling though, at least you didn't start the bandwagon, did you?
But then comes spit with his "bad vibe"... You can't both be scum again... right?
No, spit is all too happy you went along with him. Way too happy.
Unvote
Spitfire, tell me, what is wrong with being aggressive?
And, non-rhetorical: Would you rather have we all sit here like meek ducks?
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Can we get back to accusations? I might be able to join in now :D.
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Can we get back to accusations? I might be able to join in now :D.
Sure!
I accuse you of lurking to the point of not playing, not voting, not asking or answering any questions, and editing your post, which is a big no-no. (Reply #75) Since I had quoted it, I can tell it was to fix a typo, but that's still not allowed.
My vote on you stands. I'm not much for "lynch all lurkers," but I'll make an exception in this case.
Seeing who dies in the night will be educational.
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Last BMX we really almost had a lynch because a guy did not post for six hours.
Regardless, it's a possibility.
Okay sure.
And Criptfeind has just explained what the hell I have been going on about for the last 2 days, making more sense than I did in the process.
Thanks for that.
Siquo is behaving differently to me, a strange vibe that I don't really like. Different from what I'm used to from him. Or is it normal for you to be aggressive like this Siquo? So aggressive you become hypocritical?
Perhaps, but what am I to know at this stage. Not a hell of alot.
Siquo being aggressive is scummy? What? I remember him being nicely aggressive, if at all he is being less aggressive this game. That also seems to be the only thing you should know at this stage.
Also you are buddying or what ever the correct term is in this case the same way you were last game, saying "Yer criptfeind got it down." It was okay last time, not going fly this time.
Um what? Read the question much?
Anddddd damn it. Fuckin sarcasm, where I live whenever you draw out your "so" it means you are using sarcasm in a way to say that the other person is dumb and wrong.
Lets try again.
the lead inquisitor that states all the reasons why people are or aren't town is often the scum. But trying to put out a suspicion list like others have done here would just be disingenuous.
No. They may do that but they may not and blah blah blah WIFOM, it is not a scum tell to tell others who you think is scum.
I have a couple suspicions, but I think I'd like to see a little bit bit more out of them first. Anyone who gives off a vibe taking for granted that they're town is suspicious in my book. A couple people in here are doing that.
So... you are not going to think you are town? Really the only person we know to be town is ourselves, unless someone is scum, than they know they are not town and will not take it for granted.
First of all, what you just typed there means absolutely nothing.. of course you're trying to kill scum, that's the point of the game!
The point was that scum need to protect themselves, it is not so important for town. That is another reason why taking yourself for granted is not scummy.
Have you at all read why I said spit talked too much? I guess not. Here it is again: relative based on what he did before in other games.
And, you are different as well, so am I now that I don't have to double think. Hey look D and joker are not the same ether. 5 scum! That means you win right! Really?
That is so bad it is funny, he was scum last game so you know that may be it. And I disagree he seems not that much different to me. So I take that away and low and behold you are attacking because he is aggressive very scummy and hypocritical.
Cript, you have a nonsensical wall of text, attacking me on only one point that's clearly been taken out of context. Your attempts to "educate the masses" on who is scummy and who is not apparently have had no effect. Having spitfire behind you should get things rolling though, at least you didn't start the bandwagon, did you?
One: It was two points.
Two: That does not mean you can ignore it and say dur de dur he is wrong.
Three: Stop using gamblers fallacy
Four: He is a happy fucker and that does need to be looked into.
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Criptfeind: You are playing much the same as you did in BMX take 1, where you turned out scum. How do you plan to keep yourself seeming town while running the same game?
Also, can we see a vote count, please?
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Criptfeind: You are playing much the same as you did in BMX take 1, where you turned out scum. How do you plan to keep yourself seeming town while running the same game?
Also, can we see a vote count, please?
Well see, the reason that wuba did not kill me was because I was "being stupidly open" IE I was acting town.
I think I went over this is scum chat, as scum you need to act town, therefor when I was writing my posts I forgot I was scum and than posted as such.
As scum I adopt the town view and as town I have the town view so there should be no difference.
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Which makes all of us mighty suspicious. You're incredibly wordy and I'm getting a defensive vibe from you. The same feeling I got from you last time, when you were scum.
I'm not saying that your level of activity is bad; to the contrary, I welcome it. But for now, you can be assured you have my attention.
PFP
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Three: Stop using gamblers fallacy
You mean...
Well yeah.
But... Are you insinuating that I should drop the notion that having both you and spit as scum is impossible? It's possible, that is true, but even then there's a human there who gets that result from the randomiser and says "yeah well we're not going to do THAT again".
Or not.
It's Org, after all... ;)
And no, spit is indeed no different than last game. But different from the games before that. Last game he was scum, the games before that he wasn't. That's all I had on him, and you need to start somewhere when pressuring. Now I've got a lot more though.
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I'm so happy, so happy I am going to explain.
It was only a mere misunderstanding of a meta, I didn't know how Squio acted, after all I didn't pay much attention.
Whats with the random vote swapping? It's seriously wierd. Almost as wierd as the time where I made sense.
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And no, spit is indeed no different than last game. But different from the games before that. Last game he was scum, the games before that he wasn't. That's all I had on him, and you need to start somewhere when pressuring. Now I've got a lot more though.
This is the first straight answer I have ever gotten or even seen in a mafia game.
I will in my shock unvote.
I must think.
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Can we get back to accusations? I might be able to join in now :D.
Go ahead. Please participate. If you are town, start accusing people you are suspicious of. Ask questions. Try to figure who is scum. If you are scum, time to start pretending you are town(though if you are scum, it would be convient to tell us but I doubt you'll do that :P).
Accuse away.
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Interesting, does your actions to tell me to admit to be scum point towards your being scum, as you would be pinning blame on another? Naw, I'm just kidding! Or am I...
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Interesting, does your actions to tell me to admit to be scum point towards your being scum, as you would be pinning blame on another? Naw, I'm just kidding! Or am I...
I appreciate a good joke, but I would appreciate you contributing more.
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So, Char13magne, your thoughts? Who do you think is scum? Why haven't you contributed anything yet? Do something! The day ends tommorow!
*sigh* I hate day 1. It's so uneventful.
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Vote count.
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So what do you think, town? Go for the easy lurker lynch on Char, or off someone who stinks of scum? Knight's my top choice for scum at the moment.
Speaking of which, Knight, who do you think is the scum here? You've given your opinions on wanting the easy lynch, but haven't really gone past that to find scum.
Cript, any results from your thinking?
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So what do you think, town? Go for the easy lurker lynch on Char, or off someone who stinks of scum?
Is this a serious question? I hate lurkers as much as the next guy, but this question should not even be posed.
And while I have you, Toaster, I want to describe the feeling I'm getting from you. Despite the fact that you're "new" to Mafia and everything, I get a very not-new vibe every time you post. You speak in a very informed manner and in watching your interactions, I would even say it appears that you're subtly pushing around the other newbies. If you're doing it, cleverly done; if not, then you might want to watch that.
Either way, you're on my list of suspicious people as well. Which at this point means I'm looking at Criptfeind and you, unless I'm forgetting someone I've accused already. I'm falling asleep as it is.
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So what do you think, town? Go for the easy lurker lynch on Char, or off someone who stinks of scum?
Is this a serious question? I hate lurkers as much as the next guy, but this question should not even be posed.
And while I have you, Toaster, I want to describe the feeling I'm getting from you. Despite the fact that you're "new" to Mafia and everything, I get a very not-new vibe every time you post. You speak in a very informed manner and in watching your interactions, I would even say it appears that you're subtly pushing around the other newbies. If you're doing it, cleverly done; if not, then you might want to watch that.
Either way, you're on my list of suspicious people as well. Which at this point means I'm looking at Criptfeind and you, unless I'm forgetting someone I've accused already. I'm falling asleep as it is.
Yeah, you're right.
Unvote. Vote Knight85. Sorry Knight, but you're the scummiest one out there. You've deflected, buddied, and been uninspired in your scum hunting.
As to your comments:
You know how there's always one guy who reads the instruction manual to everything cover to cover? That's me. I spent a pretty decent amount of time reading the wiki and old games. The only thing I want others to do is participate and help find and exterminate the scum.
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Cript, any results from your thinking?
Maybe… I am waiting to see the vote count right now. As for lynching Char as you seem to be considering, bad idea right now, he has not posted enough for me to get a good look at him. If he keeps not posting than a lynch may be in order.
Here is my vote count.
Diablous-
Siquo-Spitfire,
Spitfire-Blargityblarg, Siquo
Cripfeind-
Jokerman-
Toaster-Jokerman
Knight- Toaster
Blargityblarg-
Char13magne- Kight
Every single person I attacked so far, has OMGUSed.
You also seem to have OMGUSed spitfire, just saying.
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Speaking of which, Knight, who do you think is the scum here? You've given your opinions on wanting the easy lynch, but haven't really gone past that to find scum.
Well it seems everyone wants the straight up answer, rather than holding suspicions. So.. Who do I think is scum? Well I think the most likely to be scum is you Toaster, you're way too matter of fact with just about every post, acting as if you've been playing forever. Even your last accusation of me just throws around Mafia terms without really carrying any meaning.
Since being sly and probing on the first day is apparently not allowed as "uninspired scumhunting" I suppose it's time to follow Siquo's advice about the hammer and go on the warpath.
Toaster, you act like that person who reads the instruction manual, because those types of people tend to play word for word from the manual, just as you are now. You've been way too scripted, and now you're even throwing out Mafia clichés, so time to call for examples on a few.
You've deflected
Heh, yeah I ignored your pointless first question.. that's a huge deflection there.
buddied
Yeah, that slight battle with Siquo was a real buddy buddy case..
uninspired scumhunting
Guilty as charged, I'm here to learn and I've now learned that apparently my plan to play the first day relatively passively was a bad one, time to change that I guess.
Note, my vote still stands with Char, I think its a pretty likely that you're scum as well, but if not.. no big loss. If you go after anyone for uninspired scumhunting Toaster, I'd think it would be him.
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You also seem to have OMGUSed spitfire, just saying.
Only if you don't count the FOS...
Spitfire, you still haven't answered my questions.
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I hate hypocrites. As well as people who ask far too many rhetorical questions.
Wheres your so-important question you want me to answer?
Why didn't you answer my questions then?
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But if you guys keep bothering each other for opinions, wouldn't that create suspicion that you are scum, and want to start riling up the masses so as to make them unreasonable and get a normal towns-person lynched?
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Again, here are my non-rhetorical questions. Non-rhetorical as in even though they might seem like it, you don't act like it, and I want them answered.
Spitfire, tell me, what is wrong with being aggressive?
And, non-rhetorical: Would you rather have we all sit here like meek ducks?
But if you guys keep bothering each other for opinions, wouldn't that create suspicion that you are scum, and want to start riling up the masses so as to make them unreasonable and get a normal towns-person lynched?
I'll take that suspicion, we're both trying to figure out what the others game is.
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That does sound like a rhetorical question.
The obvious answer is no, people need to get up and do something. If they don't then we don't have a chance of our town winning.
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I see where you're coming from, okay.
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Speaking of which, Knight, who do you think is the scum here? You've given your opinions on wanting the easy lynch, but haven't really gone past that to find scum.
Well it seems everyone wants the straight up answer, rather than holding suspicions. So.. Who do I think is scum? Well I think the most likely to be scum is you Toaster, you're way too matter of fact with just about every post, acting as if you've been playing forever. Even your last accusation of me just throws around Mafia terms without really carrying any meaning.
Since being sly and probing on the first day is apparently not allowed as "uninspired scumhunting" I suppose it's time to follow Siquo's advice about the hammer and go on the warpath.
Toaster, you act like that person who reads the instruction manual, because those types of people tend to play word for word from the manual, just as you are now. You've been way too scripted, and now you're even throwing out Mafia clichés, so time to call for examples on a few.
I guess that's where the whole "theory vs practice" thing comes into play. I may be able to talk Mafia, but now I really need to play Mafia. Regardless, my vote stands. I did forget to mention one scumish thing you did (and I'll admit- I nearly did as well:) going for the easy lynch on Char. I doubt anyone would really mind seeing him gone, myself included, but I don't feel he's scum. Therefore, I'm sticking with who does strike me as scummy, and it's you.
However, I am glad to see you getting more aggressive. The rest of the day might change my mind, but I doubt it.
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Since you're here now Char, who do you think is the mafia team here? You've yet to vote.
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That does sound like a rhetorical question.
The obvious answer is no, people need to get up and do something. If they don't then we don't have a chance of our town winning.
Allright, then why attack me on getting up and being aggressive?
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Why attack on me saying I'm talking to much when I'm trying to scumhunt?
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We've been over that. I'll save you the trouble of looking back:
And no, spit is indeed no different than last game. But different from the games before that. Last game he was scum, the games before that he wasn't. That's all I had on him, and you need to start somewhere when pressuring.
You are not answering the question. Again. Your evasiveness is persistent, and telling.
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Day ends in like 6 hours, I think.
Let's see. Char13magne has talked, but he still has not contributed much, like he has not mentioned his suspicions. I usually don't mind if someone is not very active, but only if they are contributing when they are, so this is getting annoying.
Siquo is still agressive, he was like that last time and he was town then. He seems kinda jumpy with his vote this time around. Seems like it is staying on Spitfire for the time being, which matches his how he acted last time where his vote stayed on me for most of the game.
How Cript is acting is like last time, but I'm not familiar with his town game. I don't really have anything on him except that.
Spifire is also acting like he did last time. I also do not know his town game either. Asking the same questions that have been answered does cause my belief in him being town to grow.
Jokerman hasn't really roused my suspicions. I find his vote for Toaster interesting. I would not consider Toaster's "not new" vibe all that scummy. But Jokerman was onto Cript last time, he might be onto something again. I'm keeping an eye on both of them to be safe.
Toaster has not really roused my suspicions either. I'm not getting a scum vibe off of him.
Not sure about Blargityblarg. He hasn't given all that much to go on.
Last but not least, Knight. He has been pretty defensive. It seems like he has something to hide. When he said why he would not give out his suspicions, he seemed more crappy townie to me than scum. He hasn't really done anything else to reduce my suspicions.
I'm going to think over all this, and see who I'm going to vote for.
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Well obviously anything I type is scummy, you guys have just about convinced me to vote for myself ;)
Anyway lets play with a few hypothetical ideas here for the sake of learning, it is "beginners mafia" after all.
Lets just hypothetically say my claim that I'm town is true.
I'm being called scummy by someone in a game. If I respond, I'm defensive and therefore scummy. If I don't respond I'm hiding something and therefore scummy. When I finally give in to demands I don't hide something and state my opinion, I'm again scummy for being defensive.
If anything you guys have gotten me to unvote on Char, as apparently, his is the game to play the first day.
Or is it Diablous, who has pretty much just summarized the situation the whole day. He's stayed ahead of the game and answered questions about his suspicions before people can ask them, allowing him to craft his answer on his own terms. Seems like a good play to me whether he's scum or not.
So Diablous, why do you think you've avoided any serious attacks so far, even from the most aggressive among us so far, Siquo.
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I'm being called scummy by someone in a game. If I respond, I'm defensive and therefore scummy. If I don't respond I'm hiding something and therefore scummy. When I finally give in to demands I don't hide something and state my opinion, I'm again scummy for being defensive.
It's kind of like attempting to romance a woman. It's not so much about what you say as how you say it (though if you let "you look like a fat cow and I'm not giving you any roses" past your lips, you're pretty much fucked).
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Knight:
I'm being called scummy by someone in a game. If I respond, I'm defensive and therefore scummy.
No. Responding is not being defensive. Attacking someone because they accuse you is defensive. Also, a major thing is your tone. That was a main thing that made me think you were being defensive.
If I don't respond I'm hiding something and therefore scummy.
Not responding does make you seem scummy, but I don't remember anything about you not responding here. The defensiveness gives the implication of having something to hide, and a townie shouldn't have to hide.
When I finally give in to demands I don't hide something and state my opinion, I'm again scummy for being defensive.
You are not scummy for saying your opinion. Its good that you came out with your suspicions. It just does not erase you being defensive earlier.
If anything you guys have gotten me to unvote on Char, as apparently, his is the game to play the first day.
Lurking is not good. Trying to lynch because he lurks is very bad.
Or is it Diablous, who has pretty much just summarized the situation the whole day. He's stayed ahead of the game and answered questions about his suspicions before people can ask them, allowing him to craft his answer on his own terms. Seems like a good play to me whether he's scum or not.
Okay? Not sure what you are trying to say here.
So Diablous, why do you think you've avoided any serious attacks so far, even from the most aggressive among us so far, Siquo.
Not sure. Maybe I haven't done anything the others find all that suspicous? As for Siquo, in the original BMX, he attacked me on day 1 and stayed on me until he was killed on night 2. He seems to play like this: He attacks someone, and if their response is scummy to them, he stays on them. Unless they make him think they are town, they are his main focus. Last game, it was me. I did not notice him attacking others that much. This game, it looks like it is Spitfire. I haven't really popped up on his radar, apparently.
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Siquo, I returned your question with one of my own. How stupid do you have to be to not notice? This arguement is utterly pointless and not getting us anywhere. Saying that I am Mafia (The word scum gets annoying after a while), no matter how many times you say it, doesn't make me mafia.
This isn't working out for me obviously, my job is to find out who is the mafia in this game, and if I, a Marine Rookie, must sacrafice himself in the name of proving who the mafia is, then very well.
I will not rest in peace until Siquo is dead, because he is scum.
I have nothing else to say apart from, see you in hell. (The dead chat)
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Spitfire why are you so quick to point out you are not mafia?
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Spit, responding to a question with a question that has already been answered does not help your case.
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You guys need an Extension?
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Vote Count
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Diablous-
Siquo-spitfire
Spitfire-Blargityblarg, Siquo
Cripfeind-
Jokerman-
Toaster-Jokerman
Knight-Criptfeind
Blargityblarg-
Char13magne-Toaster
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I don't see a lot going on, seeing the inside of spits argument with Siquo may be helpful, I am okay with this for a lynch.
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Also, please quote in PM to me your roles, to be sure I have them right.
Also, please vote like this:
UNVOTE THIS GUY
VOTE THAT GUY
Doesn't have to be in caps...
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I see no reason to drag the day on.
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Because I am going to be dead anyway. I have my last words.
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I like that you guys want me dead. 'Oh I'm fine with this lynch.'
Thanks guys, thanks alot...
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I'm not convinced of your innocence. If you are innocent, your death can provide valuable information. Sorry.
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If I wanted I could cause a nolynch, but I won't do that. It will be better if I died.
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If you tried to tie things up, I could tip the balance with ease.
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And if you did, everyone would think you are scum.
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Or not, on one hand spitfire, on the other knight. I am conflicted.
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Might as well eliminate one then. Which happens to be me. If I made a nolynch I would be seen as the scum, yes, so if I'm dead then I'm confirmed. But dead.
My death will help the town prevail. It shall be an honorable one, I shall not die in vain.
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Before I go I'd just like to wish the town good luck.
My suspitions are Squio and Toaster atm, just so you know.
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This is on my phone, so I'll keep it quick.
Org: you missed my unvote Char13mange and my vote Knight85.
I never did change my mind. Your defensiveness is your undoing.
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This is on my phone, so I'll keep it quick.
Org: you missed my unvote Char13mange and my vote Knight85.
I never did change my mind. Your defensiveness is your undoing.
Then the day will end in a no-lynch. Not good.
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Knight or Spit? Got an hour to decide. Don't want a no lynch. Damn.
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Unvote.
Spit seems to me to be acting a little different than last game, though I'm not sure if that's good or bad. The passiveness and lack of major reaction to a lynch has me worried.
Knight, on the other hand, hasn't done anything to arouse my suspicions per se. I'd like to see a lot more activity out of him, but sadly, I don't have any reason to kill him. Spit, you're gonna have to die. Even if you are town, then your death will illuminate a lot for the rest of us and you will still win when we reach the end if Town triumphs.
I'm being called scummy by someone in a game. If I respond, I'm defensive and therefore scummy. If I don't respond I'm hiding something and therefore scummy. When I finally give in to demands I don't hide something and state my opinion, I'm again scummy for being defensive.
It's kind of like attempting to romance a woman. It's not so much about what you say as how you say it (though if you let "you look like a fat cow and I'm not giving you any roses" past your lips, you're pretty much fucked).
Vector...do you ever get romanced? It boggles the mind... :P
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Well, Jokerman just saved me from my moment of paralyzing indecision. I find Spitfire and Knight to be about equal when it comes to scumminess, so I had trouble deciding who to kill. Sorry Spitfire.
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Vector...do you ever get romanced? It boggles the mind... :P
Asshole. ;D No, there's been three men I brutally shot down (uncontrollable laughter, man) and one I went out with for two years (mostly non-romantic. The first many dates were mostly spent talking about computer games and how to beat people up). I don't seem to inspire much romantic sentiment.
Yeah, my life is kind of sad.
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Vector...do you ever get romanced? It boggles the mind... :P
Asshole. ;D No, there's been three men I brutally shot down (uncontrollable laughter, man) and one I went out with for two years (mostly non-romantic. The first many dates were mostly spent talking about computer games and how to beat people up). I don't seem to inspire much romantic sentiment.
Yeah, my life is kind of sad.
Aww, worry not! One day, you'll find a Prince Charming who is undoubtedly handsome, strong, intelligent in multiple fields, and totally not scum!
@Diablous: Don't get me wrong. I feel that Spit is kind of scummy (enough that I would place him on my list), but my vote moved because I don't like seeing a no-lynch on Day 1. Spit is not the top of my list, but my vote wasn't doing anything on its own, and I'd rather get information via lynch than nothing.
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Vector...do you ever get romanced? It boggles the mind... :P
Asshole. ;D No, there's been three men I brutally shot down (uncontrollable laughter, man) and one I went out with for two years (mostly non-romantic. The first many dates were mostly spent talking about computer games and how to beat people up). I don't seem to inspire much romantic sentiment.
Yeah, my life is kind of sad.
Aww, worry not! One day, you'll find a Prince Charming who is undoubtedly handsome, strong, intelligent in multiple fields, and totally not scum!
@Diablous: Don't get me wrong. I feel that Spit is kind of scummy (enough that I would place him on my list), but my vote moved because I don't like seeing a no-lynch on Day 1. Spit is not the top of my list, but my vote wasn't doing anything on its own, and I'd rather get information via lynch than nothing.
I realize that. I couldn't decide between Spitfire and Knight though. Getting info through a lynch is good, and no lynches help the scum, which we do not want.
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Now you're learning. Keep it up.
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Now you're learning. Keep it up.
I hope I am doing better than last time. I feel ashamed of myself when I read over day 1 of the last game. :-[
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Vote Count
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Diablous-
Siquo-spitfire
Spitfire-Blargityblarg, Siquo, Jokerman
Cripfeind-
Jokerman-
Toaster-
Knight-Criptfeind, Toaster
Blargityblarg-
Char13magne-
You take Spitfire by the hands, as he protests his townieness! You throw him down a pit. He screams...
And screams...
And then it stops.
In his small hiding place, you find a note.
it reads:
'You are a a Marine Rookie(Townie). You must work with the town to defeat the scum. You are a regular townie.'
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He is town-aligned.
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IT IS NIGHT.
THIS ENDS MONDAY AT 9:30 PM.
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Zzzzzzzzzz
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SORRY SPITFIRE IS BEING ANNOYING.
MY OTHER COMP IS OUT FOR NOW.
GRRRRRR
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The note reads:
'You are a a Marine Rookie(Townie). You must work with the town to defeat the scum. You are a regular townie.'
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SORRY, I HAVE TO BUMP THIS A DAY LATER DUE TO RL.
I NEED ALL OF YOUR ROLES.
NAOW.
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A little early.
You awake, and start a role count. You go to everyone's houses, and find Jokerman dead!
You are a Marine Rookie(Townie)! You have no powers, so you must use your head!
Defeat the scum!
Day Two Begins.
I STILL NEED ROLES FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVENT SENT THEM
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GOD DAMN IT I KEEP GETTING KILLED NIGHT ONE YOU SCUM ARE SCUM DAMN IT.
That is all.
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What? Again?
Well, Toaster, I find that Jokerman, who was suspicious of you and voted for you until he decided to break the tie, dieing to be interesting. It's a repeat of what happened last time. I find that very odd.
Why do you think Jokerman was killed? Maybe he struck scum and you decided to silence him like Cript did last time?
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So much for my Knight/Jokerman scumteam.
Diablous: Why was he killed? His vote jumped around a bit, but he wasn't super wordy or aggressive. I expected to see a higher post-volume player go down. My best guess is he was picked to create confusion.
In any case, I'm going to start off pointing my finger at criptfeind. Rereading the thread in light of what we know now, my scumdar started beeping. I could be off, but I don't feel bad for voting on it. Cript, what say you? Why did Jokerman die? Who do you think is the scum team?
In other news, Knight is looking less scummy to me, and Siquo still isn't making me suspicious.
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In any case, I'm going to start off pointing my finger at criptfeind. Rereading the thread in light of what we know now, my scumdar started beeping. I could be off, but I don't feel bad for voting on it. Cript, what say you? Why did Jokerman die? Who do you think is the scum team?
I say I am busy so not much.
He most likely died for two reasons.
One: Paranoid scum
Two: As one of the lest newbies in this game he was a threat to them.
I think it is too early to look for a team but other than that I don't know because I need to reread the thread.
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Jokerman didn't even have a vote at the end of the day, why would they kill him? To spread confusion and for being a good player, perhaps. Or not. Aargrh I hate it when people do that.
*breathe in, breathe out* Ommmmm.
Ok, going to re-read the thread, and review my suspicions...
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Hey it finally started back up? Did that delay really need to be that long?
I need to reread things as I've completely forgotten what I was thinking about posting heading into the new day.
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Hey it finally started back up? Did that delay really need to be that long?
It's Org... don't complain >_> Complaints are pointless.
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Ok I reread through some of the stuff and remember know what some of my thoughts were, particularly in light of Jokerman getting it in the night. Unfortunately I didn't have any suspicion of Jokerman, so that he was just an easy kill for them that didn't really give any information.
First of all I'd like to ask for a mass role claim.
Then.. either way I'm going to unilaterally claim my own to bring to light a screw up I made on the first day. I think I could have worked to save Spit from the lynch, as I personally had pretty good proof that he was town, seeing as I have the same role as him. (Marine Rookie.) I think he played better than I did on the first day and I think I should have sacrificed myself to keep him playing, seeing as the only reason he was lynched was a bandwagon started as a result of his battle with Siquo.
Which gets me to my main suspicion of Siquo. Siquo, after you get a chance to read over things, what do you think the lynching and subsequent night killing tells us about the scum? I suspect one (but probably not both) of the voters of Spit, were scum. Obviously it wasn't Joker, and the fact that you basically started the bandwagon that took spit down puts suspicion on you.
My other suspicion right now lies with Diabolous because of the last second "me too" vote that just repeated reasons that others gave. Also, what do you think the lynching/night killing tells us about the scum?
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Hey it finally started back up? Did that delay really need to be that long?
It's Org... don't complain >_> Complaints are pointless.
I didnt want to count weekends.
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So, Jokerman suspected cript, toaster, and spit for a bit. The kill might be random, or he might have been making someone nervous... He's a skilled player, that counts as well. I'm still not sure.
Knight, scum doesn't need to vote to kill. Town needs the kill, though, we can't sit back and relax.
For scum, it's way easier to stay in the back when town is just killing each other.
People like Knight, Diablous and Char13magne. Those are my main three suspects for now, as they haven't voted. Also: Blargity for lurking/bandwagon and Toaster because Joker had a hunch on him.
I'll get back on this, time to feed the kid...
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Ok I reread through some of the stuff and remember know what some of my thoughts were, particularly in light of Jokerman getting it in the night. Unfortunately I didn't have any suspicion of Jokerman, so that he was just an easy kill for them that didn't really give any information.
First of all I'd like to ask for a mass role claim.
Then.. either way I'm going to unilaterally claim my own to bring to light a screw up I made on the first day. I think I could have worked to save Spit from the lynch, as I personally had pretty good proof that he was town, seeing as I have the same role as him. (Marine Rookie.) I think he played better than I did on the first day and I think I should have sacrificed myself to keep him playing, seeing as the only reason he was lynched was a bandwagon started as a result of his battle with Siquo.
Which gets me to my main suspicion of Siquo. Siquo, after you get a chance to read over things, what do you think the lynching and subsequent night killing tells us about the scum? I suspect one (but probably not both) of the voters of Spit, were scum. Obviously it wasn't Joker, and the fact that you basically started the bandwagon that took spit down puts suspicion on you.
My other suspicion right now lies with Diabolous because of the last second "me too" vote that just repeated reasons that others gave. Also, what do you think the lynching/night killing tells us about the scum?
What do I think? Well, during the day the scum is likely to try to find a scummy townie and try to get them lynched. If a scummy townie dies, it is likely that one of the voters. Wether it is a bandwagoner or the one the one who started it, depends on the player.
As for the night killing. The reason behind a night kill can vary. If a good player dies, it could be the scum decided to get rid of him before he becomes a threat. If there are other stronger players, the one who died could have been targeted because he struck strong, so they try to silence him quickly. They could also be trying to make it seem like he struck scum, so the town kills their own ally. Trying to frame someone basically.
Like last time, Jokerman did not strike me as one of the stronger players. I personally think Siquo to be one of the stronger ones. So I have to ask myself why he did not die. Maybe he's scum, or Joker struck scum and was percieved as the greater threat by the scum. Or possibly both.
With this new knowledge, my suspicions have changed. My suspicion of Siquo has grown, since he started a bandwagon that killed a townie. I am also wondering why he, who I thought would be more of a threat to the scum, lived yet Jokerman, who I thought would be less of a threat to the scum, was killed.
Toaster and Cript have also gone up, since Jokerman attacked them, so they would seem to want him dead. Cript has done this before, and that seems like him.
You've gone up a bit, but not as much as the others. Since the "frame a townie" reason for the night kill would make the most since from you. Admittedly, that's only because Toaster was suspicous of you. Anybody could decide to frame him.
because of the last second "me too" vote that just repeated reasons that others gave.
What? I did not use a last second vote. Jokerman did. I could not decide between you and Spitfire. I was actually starting to lean to you when Jokerman voted. But I decided not to tie things back up.
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Knight, scum doesn't need to vote to kill. Town needs the kill, though, we can't sit back and relax.
I'll get back on this, time to feed the kid...
Didn't really say scum needed the vote to kill, I'm saying I believe they helped tip the balance towards spit over me. Just my thought, maybe they were indeed sitting back and watching the town self carnage itself, which works too.
Personally though I'm going with the "lets influence the death of the scummy townie" and interestingly enough siquo, you're the one who set up the scummyness in the first place. You rode him just about the whole day and ended up with a lynch.
What? I did not use a last second vote. Jokerman did. I could not decide between you and Spitfire. I was actually starting to lean to you when Jokerman voted. But I decided not to tie things back up.
Convenient excuse, you we're "doing the best for the town by making sure there was a lynch" either that, or you were waiting to make sure you had the last vote you could make sure no-lynch wouldn't happen with two townies as the main suspects.
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Replacement requested
Sorry, but some real life shit has popped up, and I won't be on B12 for a while. So I need to leave the game. Sorry.
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Blarg! Why do you think Joker was killed last night?
Char! Why did you never vote? Who do you think gained the most from Joker's death?
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You rode him just about the whole day and ended up with a lynch.
I "rode" a lot of people. He just seemed the most scummy to me, in his responses.
Char13magne and Knight, what are your reasons for not voting yesterday?
Same question to the replacement of Diablous.
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I don't know why Joker was killed, Toaster. My hypotheses are pretty much the same as Diablous', with the possible addition of batshit insanity/newbie panic.
Also, Siquo, why are you asking Diablous' replacement why Diablous didn't vote yesterday? He won't know.
I'm starting to wonder if I'm at all cut out for Mafia. I have no idea why such seemingly obvious questions are being asked as if there's going to be an answer of 'Yes, I am scum'. Perhaps I should go ask Leafsnail.
Ohhh LEEEEEEAFSNAIIIIIIIIIL!
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such seemingly obvious questions are being asked
Because I can't come up with anything better?
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How badly needed is this replacement?
And why does this game keep restarting?
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I don't know why Joker was killed, Toaster. My hypotheses are pretty much the same as Diablous', with the possible addition of batshit insanity/newbie panic.
Also, Siquo, why are you asking Diablous' replacement why Diablous didn't vote yesterday? He won't know.
I'm starting to wonder if I'm at all cut out for Mafia. I have no idea why such seemingly obvious questions are being asked as if there's going to be an answer of 'Yes, I am scum'. Perhaps I should go ask Leafsnail.
Ohhh LEEEEEEAFSNAIIIIIIIIIL!
It's your reaction to these questions that matter... scum can sometimes overreact to them, panic or get overannoyed at them. Panicked scum is often easier to spot.
On the other hand, it could be down to laziness or not having a proper case.
How badly needed is this replacement?
And why does this game keep restarting?
That's what they need to find out in order to be released from this loop.
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After pondering this one, I've gotten two lists.
Why did Jokerman die? I believe now that he was picked as the strongest player, and therefore most likely to find scum. To make that determination though, one of the scum would have to have enough experience with him to make that call. The three people with that level are criptfeind, Siquo, and Diablous. Alone, that's not scummy, but it's worth noting. Also note that I would think even if I am right, this list would not necessarily contain both scum.
The second list is the people who voted spitfire, which is Blargityblarg, Siquo, and Jokerman. Again, this is not scummy alone, as town can be wrong. Obviously, Jokerman's clear from here.
Siquo, however, is on both lists. Going over your old posts, I get a questionable feeling from you, possibly from scum putting up a good facade. I'm not moving my vote yet, but I'm watching you. Why did you focus yesterday on higher-activity players, then start today on low activity ones?
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Activity was no argument. I focus on who feels... "off".
Jokerman known to be experienced is easy: He is an IC in BM 11, and plays in several other mafia-games on this forum. Because he was killed, first thing I did was look at his posts to see who he was threatening, which I do through profile/view posts. It helps immensely with "meta".
And you know it as well (you've been reading up on older BM's and other mafia games), so your list is... inconclusive, as it should at the very least include you.
Char, Knight, where are you?
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I'll replace if one's still needed.
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Nolor replaces Diablous.
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Votecount
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Criptfeind-Toaster
Siquo-Knight
Char13magne-Siquo
Day Ends, tomorrow, unless of Extension.
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I just skimmed through the thread; I'm going to throw out a list as it seems the most concise way to sum up my feelings on everyone at the moment (arranged from dead-to-lurking-to-most-scummy)
Jokerman - Why'd he die? What was the scum thinking when they killed him? It was a poor play on their part, I'll say that much, and it didn't make much sense... unless they were nervous. Joker was acting rather scummy yesterday -- he threw around his vote a bit too casually.
That was what I thought at first. Thinking further, it's possible scum did thus to subtly throw us town off. Usually new players will attack whoever votes for a confirmed townie (in this case, Spitfire). "Surely whoever voted for Spitfire is scum, as he flipped town!" they say. Let's look at who voted for him: Blargityblarg, Siquo, Jokerman. By taking out Joker, attention is focused toward Siquo and Blargityblarg. We could be dealing with manipulative high-level scum right now.
Spitfire - He was a logical lynch and his defeatism toward the end is what really drove the nail into his coffin, I think. He succumbed to the train of thought many newbies share, 'I know I'm town, and <x> person voted for me, thus he's scum'; note his buddying with Cript on page 6 (default page size). Newbish player who was mistaken as scum.
Blargityblarg, Char13magne - These two are lurking. A lot. Come on guys. Get out here!
Toaster - Toaster skimmed under the radar, acting like a typical town player. He's playing textbook town, really; he's not in the spotlight but he's making accusations and defending himself, which is a surprise in a newbie game. He suspected Knight as early as page 4, but only said that he 'might be mistaking new play for scum tells'. He didn't actually attack Knight until page 7.
Criptfeind - I'll be completely honest: I really felt that the argument between Cript/Siquo on page 6 reeked of distancing. They're both skilled players, so I wouldn't put it past them to distance early and distance often.
Siquo - Early game he was aggressive, but not necessarily constructively -- it felt like he was attacking people to avoid suspicion, not to find scum. He's also rather a good town player, looking at the original BMX. If he were town, he'd probably be dead now -- or at least scum would like us to come to that conclusion.
Knight - He didn't do much at all late Day 1. He defended himself from Toaster, unvoted Char13magne, then threw around a few passive-aggressive threats.
Then, Day 2 rolls around...First of all I'd like to ask for a mass role claim.
WHAT. Day 2? Are you joking? This early? It's a beginner's match, the only thing a roleclaim would serve wold to help pinpoint the power-roles for scum! This is ridiculously scummy.
What? I did not use a last second vote. Jokerman did. I could not decide between you and Spitfire. I was actually starting to lean to you when Jokerman voted. But I decided not to tie things back up.
Convenient excuse, you we're "doing the best for the town by making sure there was a lynch" either that, or you were waiting to make sure you had the last vote you could make sure no-lynch wouldn't happen with two townies as the main suspects.
A no-lynch day one is worse for town than a mislynch. At least a mislynch gives us something to go on -- while a dead townie may sound bad, we have to always look at the silver lining, the information we can glean from such a death. If we had no-lynched yesterday, we'd still be suspicious of spitfire and we wouldn't have moved on.
Knight, you're scum, 100%. You killed Jokerman to help your case against Siquo today. If not, please explain your logic behind asking for a role-claim so early!
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Thank you Nolor for saving me the trouble of asking for your thoughts.
I think I could have worked to save Spit from the lynch, as I personally had pretty good proof that he was town, seeing as I have the same role as him. (Marine Rookie.)
Wait now. How would you know that before he's lynched? The only way you'd have proof he was town before then is if you know exactly who is scum... you and someone else. Knight, that's an odd thing to say there.
Char- Any time you want to actually start playing, that'd be wonderful.
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Warning prod sent.
Mod-forced replace and extension soon, if he doesn't show.
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Thank you Nolor for saving me the trouble of asking for your thoughts.
I think I could have worked to save Spit from the lynch, as I personally had pretty good proof that he was town, seeing as I have the same role as him. (Marine Rookie.)
Wait now. How would you know that before he's lynched? The only way you'd have proof he was town before then is if you know exactly who is scum... you and someone else. Knight, that's an odd thing to say there.
Char- Any time you want to actually start playing, that'd be wonderful.
Because Toaster, if anyone had been paying attention, they would have noticed this
This isn't working out for me obviously, my job is to find out who is the mafia in this game, and if I, a Marine Rookie, must sacrafice himself in the name of proving who the mafia is, then very well.
I will not rest in peace until Siquo is dead, because he is scum.
I have nothing else to say apart from, see you in hell. (The dead chat)
I noticed that.. and unfortunately didn't say anything about it in the thread.
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Ya, every body is going to be a Marine Rookie. Claiming it is just WIFOM. (One reason I did not oppose his lynch)
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Of course, maybe Spit and I are the only Marine rookies, and therefore it didn't mean anything to anyone else. Or maybe the other Marine rookies just said nothing, like me.
His defeatism towards the end is exactly what proved he was town before he was lynched. Its just those with the role like him (like myself) didn't do anything about it.
As far as Nolor's question I asked for the role claim to attempt to answer that question for myself. Of course you can't expect truth out of role claims, but what answers did come out could very well be enlightening. And just because it is a beginner game, there aren't likely to be a heavy variety of power roles. Of course, scum wouldn't want information out there would they?
The issue here, I have a very great suspicion that Diabolous was purposefully the tipping point so as to prevent a no-lynch between two people he knew were town. It wasn't out of any great interest to help the town (which yes I understand the concept behind no-lynches being bad) that just made for perfect cover for Diabolous to get the job done of making sure a townie got lynched. Which also explains why you are now attacking that line of reasoning quite fervently.
I started this post intending to keep my vote on Siquo, but the more I read back, the more fervently scummy Nolor seems.
Unvote Siquo
Vote Nolor
You're still on my list Siquo
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Na I can almost assure you that every body is a Marine rookie, Org droped the ball on that one last time and it was one of the reasons we had to restart.
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As far as Nolor's question I asked for the role claim to attempt to answer that question for myself. Of course you can't expect truth out of role claims, but what answers did come out could very well be enlightening. And just because it is a beginner game, there aren't likely to be a heavy variety of power roles. Of course, scum wouldn't want information out there would they?
Looks like Org forgot to post the setup. Iirc, the possible roles are Doctor, Cop, Mafia Roleblocker and Godfather. There'll always be 2 scum.
Mafia will fakeclaim if we roleclaim.
Doctor or Cop will claim, and mafia will immediately have a target. It's better to wait until D3 at the very least (barring extenuating circumstances), to let the cop get his results.
Anyone who isn't a power role is the same generic role, assuming this is mafia (which it is).
Feel free to OMGUS me, scum. Under no circumstance is roleclaiming this early in a vanilla mafia game good for town.
Furthermore, scum would love to have that information out there. Who has what role is the only thing scum don't know! You'd be giving them every single one of our cards!!
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Yer, the only time you tell the scum anything unless it is very important for the town to know is in vote mafia. A little extra info goes a long way when you have the other pieces.
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Good to see another active player in the field.
Me being a "prime target" is actually useful, though. If I'm killed tonight, I was probably right in my suspicions, and if I'm alive, I probably wasn't. I was probably doing a pretty good job on spit, doing the scums work for them :(
I want to see those other guys in here, pronto.
Request Extension
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Knight: Oops, I did miss that. Too bad I still don't buy it.
Unvote Criptfeind. Vote Knight85.
Blarg: You were on last night but didn't post. Trying to lurk your way to a win?
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Extend for a few days.
Char is being weird.
NEED REPALCE.
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Extend for a few days.
Char is being weird.
NEED REPALCE.
Not again?
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??
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A replacement.
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Anybody home?
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Knight: Oops, I did miss that. Too bad I still don't buy it.
Unvote Criptfeind. Vote Knight85.
Blarg: You were on last night but didn't post. Trying to lurk your way to a win?
Sorry. I had a mate over, and he was desperate to play Xbox. I only got through reading Godhood.
Re-reading the thread with what little knowledge I have gained so far, and Knight Day 1 was acting pretty shifty, but Criptfeind was setting off the most alarm bells.
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Blarg, what exactly about cript set you off?
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I'll replace in... If'n you need it.
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I'll replace in... If'n you need it.
Sure.
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WEBADICT REPLACES CHAR13MAGNE.
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Yep. Might wanna extend or something.
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Yeah.
MOD EXTENDS THE DAY UNTIL MONDAY AT 9:30 PM.
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Be less useful and I will kill you less. You are on a good track now though, no question AND you are random voting me when I got a random vote already.
I suspect this refers to the Game which Shall Not Be Named, but the present tense involved made me narrow my eyes.
Note for the people attacking Blarg because he is not posting; his last post was the last time he was on, give him some time.
This bit, which I commented on yesterday.
Four: He is a happy fucker and that does need to be looked into.
This smells of OH CRAP STOP FOLLOWING THAT LEAD, but as it refers to Spit, I don't know what to think of it.
Rereading the thread *again*, I'm starting to think that Webadict's predecessor, Charlemagne, was not being absent-minded, but was being sneaky. He posted a few times yesterday; he ignored any and all requests for him to participate, and asked questions as if he were looking in on us in the game trying desperately to find scum, as if he were outside it. Perhaps I should rephrase that- us in the town. I'm not voting because of his long absences from the thread- I'm not a hypocrite- I'm voting because whenever he did post, it was never relevant or even a stab-in-the-dark. If he was scum (and I am convinced he was), then that bescumbency has passed on to Webadict.
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Be less useful and I will kill you less. You are on a good track now though, no question AND you are random voting me when I got a random vote already.
I suspect this refers to the Game which Shall Not Be Named, but the present tense involved made me narrow my eyes.
Note for the people attacking Blarg because he is not posting; his last post was the last time he was on, give him some time.
This bit, which I commented on yesterday.
Four: He is a happy fucker and that does need to be looked into.
This smells of OH CRAP STOP FOLLOWING THAT LEAD, but as it refers to Spit, I don't know what to think of it.
Rereading the thread *again*, I'm starting to think that Webadict's predecessor, Charlemagne, was not being absent-minded, but was being sneaky. He posted a few times yesterday; he ignored any and all requests for him to participate, and asked questions as if he were looking in on us in the game trying desperately to find scum, as if he were outside it. Perhaps I should rephrase that- us in the town. I'm not voting because of his long absences from the thread- I'm not a hypocrite- I'm voting because whenever he did post, it was never relevant or even a stab-in-the-dark. If he was scum (and I am convinced he was), then that bescumbency has passed on to Webadict.
Hi! So, I just got here and was about to read the thread when I noticed that you're voting me for something I can't possibly defend against. I am, in fact, unaware of the vote count right now. We should get one.
While I'm sure they're very valid reasons in Crazy Town, I'm gonna do my best to address them.
Also, am I to assume those quotes are from me? There's no reference quote, which makes it entirely out of context for me, as well as impossible to figure out who said it or what's happening in them. Again, that only ruins what you're trying to establish.
So, let's start and end at the bottom:
Rereading the thread *again*, I'm starting to think that Webadict's predecessor, Charlemagne, was not being absent-minded, but was being sneaky. He posted a few times yesterday; he ignored any and all requests for him to participate, and asked questions as if he were looking in on us in the game trying desperately to find scum, as if he were outside it. Perhaps I should rephrase that- us in the town. I'm not voting because of his long absences from the thread- I'm not a hypocrite- I'm voting because whenever he did post, it was never relevant or even a stab-in-the-dark. If he was scum (and I am convinced he was), then that bescumbency has passed on to Webadict.
If he was being so sneaky, why is he forcibly replaced? That's terrible reasoning. I wouldn't be here if he were lurking. He'd do better lurking it out until the next Day, seeing as how tomorrow would be lylo. He clearly didn't ignore the requests on purpose: I'M HERE!
You start to make a point until you destroy yourself where you note he was asking questions. Not only does that not make any sense to me (No quotes), but it sounds RELEVANT! That's what most games entitle. The point is to find scummy people through their words, so asking questions makes a whole lot of sense.
And then there was that rephrasing. You HAD to make it scummy, didn't you? It sounded like it made sense beforehand, but the clarification sounds like you're trying to force the idea that you're part of the Town, as opposed to the implied sense that everyone ALREADY IS, or at the very least, trying to blend in.
And then a bit more vague comments about my predecessor's posting (Again, you're not aiming the argument at me, you're aiming it at everyone else) followed by calling me scum.
Maybe once I post more you can target me and not behind me.
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Vote Count
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Criptfeind-
Toaster-
Siquo-
Webadict-Siquo, Blarg
Knight-Nolor, Toaster
Nolor-Knight
Blarg
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Welcome into the game, web. Since your predecessor posted zero content, I'll ask you for your views on the game so far. You've posted your view on Blarg, but if he's scum, there's still another out there. Any leads?
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Welcome into the game, web. Since your predecessor posted zero content, I'll ask you for your views on the game so far. You've posted your view on Blarg, but if he's scum, there's still another out there. Any leads?
I believe that Knight is scum and why he wasn't lynched yesterday is nothing short of a miracle.
The other scum is Blargityblargh or Siquo.
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The quotes are all from Criptfeind; Siquo asked me what was making me suspicious about him, and halfway through my response post research, I noticed that Char13mange had posted more often than I though, but had never left any content.
If he was being so sneaky, why is he forcibly replaced? That's terrible reasoning.
He was being sneaky when he was actually posting; perhaps some real reason not to post came up in the past couple days.
You start to make a point until you destroy yourself where you note he was asking questions.
Except that the questions were not relevant; again, the whole sentence needs to be taken into account. The questions were more of a 'oh, so that's how you do it, then?' nature than the 'YOU ARE SCUM ADMIT TO ME YOU'RE SCUM QUESTIONMARK DOESN'T REALLY FIT HERE BUT I'LL PUT IT ANYWAY?' that seem to be favoured 'round here.
And then there was that rephrasing. You HAD to make it scummy, didn't you?
Yes, seeing as I'm accusing you (via the last person who had your role) of bescumbency. Kinda misses the point if I say 'YOU'RE SCUM but it doesn't really matter'
And then a bit more vague comments about my predecessor's posting (Again, you're not aiming the argument at me, you're aiming it at everyone else) followed by calling me scum.
Vague, perhaps. I'm certainly not aiming the accusations at everyone else; I'm aiming it squarely at that GM PM that you, sir, hold in your inbox, and that Char13mange held before you. A GM PM that may very well say 'scum'.
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The quotes are all from Criptfeind; Siquo asked me what was making me suspicious about him, and halfway through my response post research, I noticed that Char13mange had posted more often than I though, but had never left any content.
If he was being so sneaky, why is he forcibly replaced? That's terrible reasoning.
He was being sneaky when he was actually posting; perhaps some real reason not to post came up in the past couple days.
You start to make a point until you destroy yourself where you note he was asking questions.
Except that the questions were not relevant; again, the whole sentence needs to be taken into account. The questions were more of a 'oh, so that's how you do it, then?' nature than the 'YOU ARE SCUM ADMIT TO ME YOU'RE SCUM QUESTIONMARK DOESN'T REALLY FIT HERE BUT I'LL PUT IT ANYWAY?' that seem to be favoured 'round here.
And then there was that rephrasing. You HAD to make it scummy, didn't you?
Yes, seeing as I'm accusing you (via the last person who had your role) of bescumbency. Kinda misses the point if I say 'YOU'RE SCUM but it doesn't really matter'
And then a bit more vague comments about my predecessor's posting (Again, you're not aiming the argument at me, you're aiming it at everyone else) followed by calling me scum.
Vague, perhaps. I'm certainly not aiming the accusations at everyone else; I'm aiming it squarely at that GM PM that you, sir, hold in your inbox, and that Char13mange held before you. A GM PM that may very well say 'scum'.
He wasn't being sneaky at all. He was being a moron. His lack of help, however, is probably attributed to his newbieness, seeing as how he was and is not scum.
I believe it was said Yesterday that questions are meant to maintain conversation. While it is preferred that these questions be related to the game in most or all cases, questions unrelated can cause scumslips as well as other things. Your analysis is thereby flawed.
It actually HITS THE MARK by calling me scum straight up. It means you don't hold a wavering conscience and are able to assume that the person you're after is scum, as scum would assume that there aren't really any other scum but them. Therefore, they know that nobody else could be scum and tend to be more passive.
And lastly, the problem of that PM is that it DOES say "scum." It says that I must find "scum." The unfortunate part of your argument is that the "mafia" tend not to refer to themselves as "scum," and therefore, only Town would have "scum" in them, if any, and therefore, you have only furthered the case that I am Town, and vaguely hinted at your own scummitude.
Any other brain-busters before you remove your vote?
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He wasn't being sneaky at all. He was being a moron. His lack of help, however, is probably attributed to his newbieness, seeing as how he was and is not scum.
I believe it was said Yesterday that questions are meant to maintain conversation. While it is preferred that these questions be related to the game in most or all cases, questions unrelated can cause scumslips as well as other things. Your analysis is thereby flawed.
It actually HITS THE MARK by calling me scum straight up. It means you don't hold a wavering conscience and are able to assume that the person you're after is scum, as scum would assume that there aren't really any other scum but them. Therefore, they know that nobody else could be scum and tend to be more passive.
And lastly, the problem of that PM is that it DOES say "scum." It says that I must find "scum." The unfortunate part of your argument is that the "mafia" tend not to refer to themselves as "scum," and therefore, only Town would have "scum" in them, if any, and therefore, you have only furthered the case that I am Town, and vaguely hinted at your own scummitude.
Any other brain-busters before you remove your vote?
His sneakiness and/or newbery has not been proven either way, and short of you being lynched, will not before this game is over. Likewise for his scum status.
You claim that by doing the least he could to provoke scumhunting whilst remaining in the game Char13mange put a flaw in my argument. Well done. Truly, you are a God amongst logicians. [/sarcasm]
My analysis hits the mark, i.e. is correct, by calling you scum? Beyond this little gem, the third paragraph has little relevance. Yes, I know I'm not scum.
Finally, hooray, a nitpick about the exact wording of your GM PM, and a nonsensical statement. How was I to know a 'You are a mafioso' PM would not say 'scum', since I don't have one, and never have? Also, how does 'Only Town would have ''scum'' in them' work? The Scum is the mafia, i.e. not town. How does this 'hint at my own scummitude'?
I'll remove my vote when you start to post something that makes sense in support of your supposed townieship, not some panicked mass of text that claims to have meaning but does not.
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Where is everyone else? Have they decided the Day was over?
His sneakiness and/or newbery has not been proven either way, and short of you being lynched, will not before this game is over. Likewise for his scum status.
You claim that by doing the least he could to provoke scumhunting whilst remaining in the game Char13mange put a flaw in my argument. Well done. Truly, you are a God amongst logicians. [/sarcasm]
My analysis hits the mark, i.e. is correct, by calling you scum? Beyond this little gem, the third paragraph has little relevance. Yes, I know I'm not scum.
Finally, hooray, a nitpick about the exact wording of your GM PM, and a nonsensical statement. How was I to know a 'You are a mafioso' PM would not say 'scum', since I don't have one, and never have? Also, how does 'Only Town would have ''scum'' in them' work? The Scum is the mafia, i.e. not town. How does this 'hint at my own scummitude'?
I'll remove my vote when you start to post something that makes sense in support of your supposed townieship, not some panicked mass of text that claims to have meaning but does not.
The fact that he's NEW might very well lend credit to what I say. I don't believe my predecessor ever played a game of mafia in his/her life, and definitely not on this forum (That is provable at this second.)
Yeah, because if you only go after things I've didn't do, you'll ignore things I'm currently doing, as you are now. Focusing on something I can't control is definitely scummy, so I will put any hole I can in your argument, if so you start fighting me.
No, you don't get it. When you call somebody scum, it means you believe that they are SCUM. The way you were doing it was making you passively calling me scum, which is scummy. You didn't go out and say, "You're scum." You went out and said, "Your past self is guilty of bescumbency." That's passive. By doing that, you sound weaker.
And this does matter, since if you're mafia, you have no idea what the TOWN'S PM says. And why would you assume Mafioso? Why not Godfather? Or Roleblocker? Why so specific? Is that what you got? And, the scum are not the mafia; The mafia are the scum.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. You'll remove your vote when I prove myself Town... Because you're voting me for stuff my predecessor did... That's cute. You almost sound grown-up. You think that's panicked? Then why aren't you USING IT AS EVIDENCE?!?
Clearly your brain shut down halfway through accusing me. You're not only NOT going after what I've done, you're OVERLOOKING things I've done! I've voted without reasoning, there's one. I've WIFOMed, which is kinda scummy. I've... "panicked," a lie, but you could've tried to use it. You didn't use these. Not at all. It means you're not looking for real reasons. You're looking for all the fake ones, including resorting to using everything my predecessor did as evidence against me.
You're not looking for a reason for me to prove I'm Town (Which, as you hint in the top of your post, is impossible anyhow), you're trying to frame me.
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Knight's still scum.
Blarg- That's not the Blarg that played first day. In fact, I just rechecked- your vote on spitfire was your only vote of the day. You RVed him on the third post of the thread and never moved it. The rest of your posts were brief, just confirming your "suspicions" of spitfire. Today you're throwing walls of text at web.
Here's what I see: When it was spitfire on line to get lynched, that's fine by you. Suddenly, it looks like Knight is going to be lynched, and you're very actively trying to move it away from him. The only logical conclusion is that you and Knight are both scum.
It's Knight's turn today, but get your will written out- you're next.
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You guys need more time, prods, what.
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You guys need more time, prods, what.
Extension. Send out prods.
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You guys need more time, prods, what.
Extension. Send out prods.
1/2 heard for an extension.
Prods sent.
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I am here and reading everything.
I just have nothing to say.
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I thought we had already decided to lynch Knight. Regardless of the recent discourse, I still consider his actions the scummiest and stand by my prior accusations.
I don't see how an extension really helps anyone; we've reached a stalemate and the arguments are also yielding little. I'm almost positive Knight is scum, and once we confirm this we can check through his early interactions, find his partner, and have an easy win tomorrow.
Any objections?
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Yes, I believe there is little point. I was just wondering what some other people might be thinking.
Shorten the Day.
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I think the Knight lynch is generally unopposed, so no reason to extend.
Isn't the day ending very shortly anyway?
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Vote Count
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Criptfeind-
Toaster-
Siquo-
Webadict-Siquo, Blarg
Knight-Nolor, Toaster, Webadict
Nolor-Knight
Blarg
Webadict takes Knight out to the back. HE yells that he did nothing, its all a mistake. Web pulls out his shotgun, and blasts him in the face.
No cries are heard any longer.
You search his apartment. Oh no, it turned out he was a:
'You are a a Marine Rookie(Townie). You must work with the town to defeat the scum. You are a regular townie.'
IT IS NOW NIGHT.
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It is now Day 3.
You find webadict dead.
He as a Marine Captain(Cop). Oh no, another townie dead,. You must find scum.
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It is now Day 3.
You find webadict dead.
He as a Marine Captain(Cop). Oh no, another townie dead,. You must find scum.
Most sarcastic flavour text ever.
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It is now Day 3.
You find webadict dead.
He as a Marine Captain(Cop). Oh no, another townie dead,. You must find scum.
Most sarcastic flavour text ever.
LURK MOAR
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... There's only so much I can hate this game...
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Nolor:
How has Knight's town flip changed your suspicions? What do you make of the Blarg/Web argument yesterday?
Blarg:
You never commented on my accusation yesterday. Since Char/Web has flipped town, it clearly wasn't a chainsaw defense you pulled, but my question remains- why the heavy change of tactics? Have your original D2 suspicions of cript changed?
Siquo:
You were active at the start of D2, but you vanished at the end. Why? You voted Char for not voting, then didn't even so much as post after web replaced him- your vote never moved. Again, why? You posted a question to Blarg, but never followed up on his answer. Did it satisfy you?
Criptfeind:
In any case, I'm going to start off pointing my finger at criptfeind. Rereading the thread in light of what we know now, my scumdar started beeping. I could be off, but I don't feel bad for voting on it. Cript, what say you? Why did Jokerman die? Who do you think is the scum team?
I say I am busy so not much.
He most likely died for two reasons.
One: Paranoid scum
Two: As one of the lest newbies in this game he was a threat to them.
I think it is too early to look for a team but other than that I don't know because I need to reread the thread.
You promise more analysis here, but never deliver. Why? I was intending to keep my vote on you until it surfaced, but I forgot about it when I voted Knight.
I am here and reading everything.
I just have nothing to say.
You're correct on that one. You pretty much said nothing day 2. You weren't lurking- you were certainly active- but you didn't contribute. Hell, you never even voted. Why? I want your detailed analysis of the game up to this point, and I won't let up this time until I hear it.
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D:! That's not good. Sorry for the hard time, Webadict.
Yes, I still suspect Criptfeind. His lack of proper activity during yesterday didn't help my opinion of him, either.
Question: What exactly is a 'chainsaw defense'?
My change of tactics is more me getting into the swing of the game- I decided that to learn to play this game, I had to actually play it, so I did.
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I was away for the last weekend of D2, that's my absence, and wasn't able to change my vote until night fell. webadict is a very good player, so this kill was to be expected from scum.
It's been a loooong night... Re-reading stuff now.
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So:
Cript - Active, inactive. But, so was I, real life happens. Says he re-reads a lot, but hardly ever follows up on that. I know he can hunt, but is keeping strangely to the background, in the defensive corner. Very probably scum.
Toaster - Is contributing, which is good. Was very eager to lynch knight, ASAP. Probable scum.
Nolor - Starts off good, then disappears. Could be a real life, could be just laying back convenience. Probable scum.
Blarg - Was actually doing ok versus webadict, and answered me well. So he's either good scum, or town. Probably not scum.
I'm awaiting cripts response to the questions asked, now. I won't be rushed into voting.
Meanwhile, Nolor, why are you so absent? What are your thoughts on all of us? You and Toaster were both very eager to get knight out of the way. I must admit that he appeared scummy, but the day shortening and haste that was put forth by both of you was strange.
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Blarg: If A accuses B, and C jumps to B's defense by attacking full force on A, then C is chainsaw defending B. It's a scumtell on C if B shows up as scum. Otherwise, it means little.
Meanwhile, Nolor, why are you so absent? What are your thoughts on all of us? You and Toaster were both very eager to get knight out of the way. I must admit that he appeared scummy, but the day shortening and haste that was put forth by both of you was strange.
Hold on- you're misrepresenting facts. Neither Nolor nor I requested a shortening- all we did was not request an extend. Only webadict asked for a shorten. I thought Knight was scum since day 1. I would have been willing to discuss it more, but no one else was talking about it, especially him.
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Meanwhile, Nolor, why are you so absent?
It hasn't been 24 hours yet; my absence during the end of Day 2 was due to its foregone conclusion. Knight was such obvscum. I have school now, but I'll answer everyone's questions in 6-7 hours.
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*crickets*
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Post moar or prod.
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Blarg: If A accuses B, and C jumps to B's defense by attacking full force on A, then C is chainsaw defending B. It's a scumtell on C if B shows up as scum. Otherwise, it means little.
Ah, right.
I have nothing to contribute; I'm waiting for Cript to respond to mine, Siquo's and Toaster's accusations and questions.
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Sooo.... we're all waiting for cript now.
Toast (and nolor), my apologies, you did indeed not request a shortening. Nolor, why were you so adamant on lynching Knight?
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Nolor:
How has Knight's town flip changed your suspicions? What do you make of the Blarg/Web argument yesterday?
Toast (and nolor), my apologies, you did indeed not request a shortening. Nolor, why were you so adamant on lynching Knight?
Knight's town flip is amazing, or was amazing, however you look at it. Perhaps it's to be expected in a newbie game, but he was playing archetypal newbie scum. Requesting a role claim early and then OMGUSing me when I pointed this out. That's completely ridiculously anti-town. He flipped town, but his posts actively endangered us, so he's scum in my eyes.
As for the Blarg/web argument: Blarg attacked web because his predecessor was a lurker, right? Now, this is just a tip, but usually forcible replacements are town (scum can get away with lurking a lot more). I think Blarg was worried about web, so he attacked him. His attack crumbled before web's defense.
Also of note: Web flipped cop. Look at this quote:
The other scum is Blargityblargh or Siquo.
There's a high chance of one of these people being scum. Webadict is a great mafia player, so completely ignoring his last suspicions is kind of silly. Furthermore, we can assume that he investigated someone D1. We don't know who he is, but but it definitely wasn't Blarg or Siquo. If he knew anything definitive, he probably would've said something before the end of D2 — he had to know he would be nightkilled. Since he didn't, he probably took a gamble on there being a doctor.
He could've confirmed someone yesterday, but he didn't. Either to prevent over-reliance on the person who was confirmed or because he was hoping to stay alive another day, who knows?
What we do know:
- He didn't strike scum N1.
- Thus, the person he investigated N1 turned up town.
- This person was not himself, Blarg, Siquo, Knight, or Jokerman.
That leaves us with:
Nolor
Cripfeind
Toaster
One of these people, web (or rather, Charlemagne) investigated N1.
For whichever reason, webadict didn't confirm him yesterday.
Regardless, these are the people we should suspect least right now. These are the people web made no mention of, and thus suspected least... assuming my logic is proper. I might be missing something, though.
Currently, I'm suspecting Blargityblarg. I think he was testing the waters for a lynch on web D2, but his plan backfired. He didn't want to waste his NK on him, for whichever reason. Perhaps he had a better target in mind, someone who was more threatening? Was anyone attacking Blarg D2? I'd check myself, but I have school soon. I'll be back in 6-7 hours, though I might not post until the morning again.
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Nolor, I see two problems with that. One, we can't be sure Char even did send in an action- he was that inactive. Two, it could have been Jokerman he investigated- even though he died in the night, he would have been a valid target. Web may have had no information at all.
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Okay guys, sorry I was gone, I was sick.
I will try to find these questions you are asking about.
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Okay so a look at this game?
It starts out with random voteing, okay... than blarg jumps on spit on the fourth post.
The accusations start to fly but are for the most part meaningless.
Five pages in I see that blarg is lurking, great. But he had a excuse.
I attack squgo some but than unvote as he starts to make sense.
Lurk moar blarg
Oh look we than kill spit. But what is this? Jokerman puts a last second vote on him for the hammer. And of the others voting him I see blargh.
... But than jokerman dies in the night. Fuck.
Web replaces in.
Now here comes the fun stuff, blarg attacks web quickly for things that char did and pushes really hard even though web cant defend himself.
And now we come to today.
Blarg is scum with most likely a partner of toaster.
Reasons:
1: He attacked web really hard for no reason.
2: He lurked day one but than popped up on day two
3: Web died after beating him down.
But these are not the only reasons, oh no. I am going to role claim. I am the Doctor night one I protected Siquo because I had no idea who to protect and night two I protected web because I knew he was going to be ether killed or he was scum. You may ask why he was killed? It was because I was role blocked last night. So obviously they they now know that I am the doc and will kill me tonight or even better get me lynched. So what do they do in there first posts? They attack me.
I have nothing to contribute; I'm waiting for Cript to respond to mine, Siquo's and Toaster's accusations and questions.
Quite honestly I cant find them, are you trying to muddy the water and get me lynched you scum?
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Quite honestly I cant find them, are you trying to muddy the water and get me lynched you scum?
Sept for your partner toasters, but I think that last post answered he question pretty well.
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Nolor, I see two problems with that. One, we can't be sure Char even did send in an action- he was that inactive. Two, it could have been Jokerman he investigated- even though he died in the night, he would have been a valid target. Web may have had no information at all.
I didn't even consider the possibility that Jokerman was investigated. Actually, that makes more sense now, looking back. Web would know to confirm someone if he had investigated them. It's too bad; I thought we had finally found something concrete.
Even tossing aside the investigative results, though, we should still put some faith in web's judgment. I'm willing to bet that either Blarg or Siquo is scum.
Cript's claim of doctor is pretty interesting, and rather gratuitous for scum to make at the time. Usually though, each side is limited to one power role in Beginner's Mafia (at least if I remember the rules correctly).
Org, can each side have multiple power roles? Also, votecount please.
Blargityblarg, what do you think of Cript's accusations and his claim?
(I thought I voted him this morning, but apparently I forgot)
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Votecount
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Criptfeind-Blarg, Toaster
Blarg-Nolor, Criptfeind
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Org, when does the day end?
Nolor answered ok, as did Toaster. Now... I'm still undecided. Both Cript and Toaster are making a good case.
For now, I'm going to go with Cript, for the reasons stated earlier. Cript, you're now doing a double OMGUS, implying both people who vote for you are scum. I'd love to believe that you had more valid reasons than just "them voting for you".
You name Toaster as Blarg's partner, why? You specified no reason, therefore I can only assume OMGUS.
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Org, can each side have multiple power roles? Also, votecount please.
Each side has two possible power roles: Town has Cop and Doctor, Scum has Godfather and Roleblocker. There can only be one of each in any game.
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Org, can each side have multiple power roles? Also, votecount please.
Each side has two possible power roles: Town has Cop and Doctor, Scum has Godfather and Roleblocker. There can only be one of each in any game.
Go away. You are doing it wrong.
You can Town IC since LEAFYBOY HAS LEFT.
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I don't know if I even agreed to be in the restart :/.
In any case, feel free to replace.
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Oh.
:/
Sorry
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Org, when does the day end?
Nolor answered ok, as did Toaster. Now... I'm still undecided. Both Cript and Toaster are making a good case.
For now, I'm going to go with Cript, for the reasons stated earlier. Cript, you're now doing a double OMGUS, implying both people who vote for you are scum. I'd love to believe that you had more valid reasons than just "them voting for you".
You name Toaster as Blarg's partner, why? You specified no reason, therefore I can only assume OMGUS.
DAY ENDS THURSDAY AT 9:30 PM UNLESS EXTENDED.
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You name Toaster as Blarg's partner, why? You specified no reason, therefore I can only assume OMGUS.
Because honestly looking though the game he came runner up, but just barely above the rest, I don't know that he is scum but it seems most likely.
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I can't IC. I just answered a question that had a clear answer.
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Cript, I find your claim weak. It relies on scum picking you out of the remaining townies to block. Why you? You were the least active of all D2, except maybe Knight.
You name Toaster as Blarg's partner, why? You specified no reason, therefore I can only assume OMGUS.
Because honestly looking though the game he came runner up, but just barely above the rest, I don't know that he is scum but it seems most likely.
That's a non answer. If you have questions for me, ask.
However...
Let's not forget something very important- we're at lylo (Lynch or Lose.) If we lynch town today, scum wins. Here's my view- with two scum, they are likely voting for the same person, unless two of the town are voting for the third. It'd be silly to bus a partner at this point. I started this day thinking cript/Siquo, but the voting pattern today doesn't hold that up. Honestly, I haven't suspected Nolor at all, really. Now I am not sure what to think. Hence, I will unvote.
Blarg, Siquo: Please clearly detail your suspicions of criptfeind. He's right on one thing- you didn't really ask him anything.
Cript: Do you think newbie docs act scummy? Also, see first part of post.
Blarg: You FoS Siquo and hit him with a question, but he never responds, and you don't push him on it at all. Why? (Question below:)
Also, Siquo, why are you asking Diablous' replacement why Diablous didn't vote yesterday? He won't know.
Nolor: If Web hadn't suspected Blarg/Siquo, would your vote change? Do you agree with my assessment of scum vote pair?
Siquo: You missed the last part of my question from my last question block. Did Blarg's answer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=56801.msg1275987#msg1275987) satisfy your question (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=56801.msg1273968#msg1273968)? Are you two just prodding each other with no regard for the actual answer?
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Toaster: Your link to my 'answer' post details most of my suspicions. I didn't ask him anything, but I accused him. I'd have grilled him some more if I didn't get distracted by Web/Char.
What does FoS mean? Sorry for my jargon illiteracy. I didn't press him on it because I got a reasonable answer from him that corresponded well with Leafsnail's explanation.
1: He attacked web really hard for no reason.
2: He lurked day one but than popped up on day two
3: Web died after beating him down.
1) I attacked Char after web replaced him, for suspiciously huge lurking, unaware that scum usuall don't get replaced for lurking. Web's answer did not make any sense to me, so I switched targets to Web himself.
2) I've already explained this once today; To reiterate: My change of tactics is more me getting into the swing of the game- I decided that to learn to play this game, I had to actually play it, so I did.
3) I can hardly defend the actions of the scum, but I'd like to disagree on the 'beating me down' point. I didn't respond to his final post, but only because I didn't get on between then and when Night began. I was ready to continue arguing.
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I just asked Cript a question. The answer is unsatisfactory.
Blargs answer was, kind of, and I presumed the question you quoted was rhetorical; he was right, there.
Blargs answer is here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=56801.msg1277491#msg1277491), by the way, not the one you posted. Toaster, you're now either making shit up, or not reading the thread at all.
Hell, I'm not sure of my vote either, but we've got to do something.
Request Extension, because it's lylo and I'm still unsure. And a nolynch is a lose as well...
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I'll throw my vote in for an extension as well.
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Also, Siquo, your link doesn't seem right; that's part of my argument with Web, and is all response to him. Toaster posted the right one.
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Sorry, true, my link has a post in which you refer to the previous post. Now I'm the one not reading right.
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Blarg: FoS is Finger of Suspicion. Usually indicated by blue text, it's when you're really wary of someone, but you don't vote them for some reason (usually you're voting someone worse.)
I'm down with an extension.
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That's a non answer. If you have questions for me, ask.
Okay sure, let start with a hypocrisy.
with two scum, they are likely voting for the same person
Criptfeind-Blarg, Toaster
Can you answer that?
As for your question of the are doctors scummy. I know that they have a tendency to lurk somewhat, or at lest I did.
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Votecount
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Criptfeind-Blarg, Siquo
Blarg-Nolor, Criptfeind
No one is lynched. It is now NIGHT 3
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What? Why did we not get a extension?
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NEXT TIME BOLD YOUR EXTENSIONS RAR EXTENDED FOR TWO DAYS RAR
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THIS MEANS IT IS STILL DAY
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That's a non answer. If you have questions for me, ask.
Okay sure, let start with a hypocrisy.
with two scum, they are likely voting for the same person
Criptfeind-Blarg, Toaster
Can you answer that?
As for your question of the are doctors scummy. I know that they have a tendency to lurk somewhat, or at lest I did.
Well, right after that Siquo jumped on, and by the time I brought that up I had unvoted. Yes, for a while, I was one of three voting you, but what's the point of me hashing out scumteams including myself? That'd be silly in any case.
Anyway, I've thought about it, and I want to see what Blarg would say to me saying vote Blargityblarg.
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I'd say that you're making a mistake that we can't afford to make in lylo. I'm not going to change my vote, because the only person other than Cript with enough votes for it to make a difference is myself, and I am Town, so me being lynched would lose us the game- unless the doctor, whoever that is, is awesome.
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"I am town" is your best defense? Furthermore, you really don't sound sure that cript is scum- you come off like you're just voting him because he has votes. If it was your vote making all the difference, who would you vote for, and why?
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Re-reading, I believe Cripts roleclaim.
Fake-roleclaiming in a beginners mafia... That would have been a really bold move, and would only have been necessary if he had no chance of winning.
Unvote.
That leaves Blarg, Nolor and Toaster.
Still unsure. I'll be back.
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Hey guys I am going away for the weekend and will be back in two or three days.
So see ya.
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And this is my last chance, organising a party tomorrow and won't be back.
I'm going to vote Blarg, and cross my fingers that webadict was right.
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"Won't be back until monday" was what I meant. No replacement, or calling the police needed :)
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4 people voting for Blarg means at least one scum is voting for him. Frankly, I smell bus.
My vote stays unless Blarg can convince me otherwise.
Nolor, anything to add here?
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What other defence can I make, Toaster? You haven't accused me of anything; you've just asked me how I'd react to being voted. I reacted.
It appears now that I'm going to be lynched regardless of what I do. There are only five players left, and the only one not voting for me is me.
Oh well. I give up. Have fun, 'Doctor' Criptfeind.
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4 people voting for Blarg means at least one scum is voting for him. Frankly, I smell bus.
My vote stays unless Blarg can convince me otherwise.
Nolor, anything to add here?
I'm liable to agree with you here.
Vote Count:
Criptfeind-Blarg
Blarg-Nolor, Criptfeind, Toaster, Siquo
Not Voting: No one.
So yes, scum is definitely voting for Blarg. Just a few posts ago, though, Siquo was attacking Criptfeind. Now he's voting Blarg; he's also the last one to vote for him. All the signs of busing, really. He didn't want to vote his partner until it was clear the ship was sinking -- a common newbie mistake.
Honestly, I'm having trouble imagining a situation where Blarg/Siquo isn't our scumteam.
I just skimmed through the entire thread. There is extremely little Blarg/Siquo interaction; they mention each others name sometimes, but Siquo voted Blarg for the first time just now, and Blarg has never FOS'd or voted Siquo.
In fact, a few pages ago Siquo said this:
Blarg - Was actually doing ok versus webadict, and answered me well. So he's either good scum, or town. Probably not scum.
...Really? This is probably the most obvious bus I've ever seen in my (short!) mafia career.
I'd request a Day Shortening right now, but it's the weekend so I don't even know if it could go through.
We cut it a bit close, but we have this game won.
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Hm. Hadn't really noticed all that. I think I know what's going on; Siquo's been buddying on me, and I haven't pushed him. Hence, he is in fact buddying. I'm going to guess y'all won't believe me on this, and it doesn't matter that you will when I flip Townie, 'cause it's lylo, but for what it's worth, Siquo is quite probably scum.
I un-give up.
Unvote, vote Siquo.
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All I had was the choice between you, nolor and toaster, since I believe Cript. Webadict named you and me, as pointed out by nolor, and something I noticed until after my assessment of you.
There is no need to bus on you, least of all for me. No matter who I voted for, you'd probably be dead. What you're doing now is make desperate attempts to point fingers in any direction. Or even worse: fake-attacking me, thereby creating WIFOM, implying me as your partner when you turn out to be scum. One scum is voting for you, but if the cause is lost, why shouldn't he let his vote stay on you to cover himself up? Implying that that is exactly what I am doing... Trying to pull me down as if I were your partner, makes me sure I'm right, now.
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Dammit, now I'm confused as to what 'bus' means.
I know I'm going to be lynched. I can't exactly change that without y'all suddenly becoming terrible Mafia players and forgetting all the false scumslips I've ben dropping or having dropped on me.
All I ask is this: Don't get too set on the idea of a Blarg/Siquo scumteam, 'cause you're gonna have to reconsider pretty heavily tonight.
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Bus: To throw under the bus. As in, "Oh crap my partner is going to get lynched no matter what- time to vote/attack him so I look more townlike and save myself!" Basically, if scum A is going to get lynched, scum B goes after him in an effort to appear towny and keep the team going. More likely in bigger games with more scum, but it could certainly happen here.
And I do have a question for you! If we'll have to rethink our team tonight, then you're implying there will be a tonight. If you're town, there is no tonight- game over as soon as you're lynched. Oops!
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I did not know those- either of them. I had thought that we just kept going, hoping the Doctor was awesome enough to scrape out a Town win, until either he died or all the Scum did.
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Just a little info for Blarg. When the amount of Mafia players and Town players become equal, the game ends with the Mafia winning. If the amounts become equal, the Mafia will have equal power over the voting as the town, so they can make it impossible to lynch a Mafia player. This game set-up will have 2 Mafia, and you have gone down to 5 players, so 3 Town to 2 Mafia. Lynch a townie today and Town loses.
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I'd also like to point out this is why it's called lylo (lynch or lose.) If you don't lynch or mislynch, Town loses.
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You lynch Blarg...Oh no! He was a Marien ROokie!
Nolor and Siquo turn on the other two, drawing their knives as they grin...
Congrats Scum!
Nolor, Siquo-Mafia
Webadict-Cop
Cripfeind-Doctor
Everyone Else is a Rookie.
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Goddamn. Told y'all.
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:D
I feel sorry. Scum just isn't my thing. Winning is, though.
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*takes blame*
You probably would've been lynched if I'd been paying attention to you instead of both the town special roles *facepalm*
Props to Nolor, though, I don't think he/Diab got suspected at all (without reading through the thread again, anyway).
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Scumchat. (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/E4VJnBtvhPdWr)
Fun game!
Playing scum is significantly easier than town. You guys put up a valiant effort.
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I knew it was Siquo all along!
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I knew it was Siquo all along!
But no one believed you.
Scum is more fun than Town in my opinion.
And good job Nolor! I'm glad it was you who replaced me. You did very well.
Props to Nolor, though, I don't think he/Diab got suspected at all (without reading through the thread again, anyway).
Knight was on to me/him, but he did not get very far.
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I knew Nolor had a power role, but if I had known criptfeind had the Doctor role, I'd've pointed out Nolor. I actually thought Nolor was the doctor.
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Playing scum is significantly easier than town. You guys put up a valiant effort.
Eh, I find scum a lot harder... you have to pretend to be something you aren't and try to manipulate town powerroles to your advantage. This is why Mafia Busdriver is one of my favourite roles ever :P.
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Why does no one believe me? D:
I guess now I know what it was like when I was the mafia...
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Why does no one believe me? D:
I dunno.
I guess now I know what it was like when I was the mafia...
Yeah. I find scum to be more fun than town.
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Fuuuuck
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Damn. I would have rather lynched Siquo than Blarg today, but I thought they were the team, so I was cool with the lynch. I did suspect Diablous/Nolor the least, though.
Good game, all.