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Title: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Nilocy on May 10, 2010, 05:49:08 pm
In my infinite wisdom I took a quick (5 hour) break from my studying to reflect on the awesomes of humans and their lifes.

Being a scientist really puts life into perspective. Over the last year studying my subject (biology) I've come across things that have blown my mind, several times on one occasion, and I end up sitting there in awe at how stupidly, amazingly, stupendously complicated and amazing the human form is. I have trouble comprehending it all, theres just so much!

From the chemistry that makes the elements you eat. To the DNA that tells every single cell what to do! From them the proteins and enzymes you grow. To the tissues they create. To the nerve impulses you generate from tip to toe. To the chemicals that keep you in check, dopamine yum yum.  To the synapses, electrical pulses and those fantastical neurons.

That is all.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on May 10, 2010, 06:00:47 pm
Click "Poetry of Reality" (http://www.symphonyofscience.com/). First thing I thought of :P
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Nilocy on May 10, 2010, 06:17:22 pm
Yeah, pretty appropriate.

One line I liked was "We are a way for the cosmos to recognise itself."
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on May 10, 2010, 06:49:31 pm
Yeah if you took that completely out of context you could draw some hippie conclusions. The others there are decent, with an exception. One was pretty lame, I forget which though.

Sometimes I'll just think about how the cells in my body are arranged in blood vessels that carry blood around and that system alone is so crazy-complicated, it's amazing we live as long as we do. Especially what with all the extreme sports we put ourselves through.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 06:51:18 pm
It's always nice to sit back and appreciate the beauty of the human form.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: kierkkadon on May 10, 2010, 06:54:04 pm
I like to examine the complexities that arise even in the most simple forms of matter (only in pics in journals, my highschool doesn't have an electron microscope :( ) that make up everything. Like quarks.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on May 10, 2010, 06:54:41 pm
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It's always nice to sit back and appreciate the beauty of the human form.

If I cannot even read something like that without inferring a hidden Your Mom joke, what have I become?!
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 06:56:30 pm
An internet dweller?
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 10, 2010, 06:58:43 pm
Quote from: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 06:51:18 pm
It's always nice to sit back and appreciate the beauty of the human form.
Particularily if it's the human form of Scarlett Johannson
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:00:01 pm
Quote from: ChairmanPoo on May 10, 2010, 06:58:43 pm
Quote from: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 06:51:18 pm
It's always nice to sit back and appreciate the beauty of the human form.
Particularily if it's the human form of Scarlett Johannson
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT I WAS TALKING ABOUT NAKED WOMEN, LEAVE ME ALONE
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Nilocy on May 10, 2010, 07:05:33 pm
Yes, women are the best thing the universe has thrown at us.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: userpay on May 10, 2010, 07:24:22 pm
Quote from: Nilocy on May 10, 2010, 07:05:33 pm
Yes, women are the best thing the universe has thrown at us.
Best and worse?
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Nilocy on May 10, 2010, 07:25:01 pm
Quote from: userpay on May 10, 2010, 07:24:22 pm
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Yes, women are the best thing the universe has thrown at us.
Best and worse?
Naw, best. The worst is probably anthrax or something.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:26:23 pm
Cancer. Still scares me, probably always will.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: kierkkadon on May 10, 2010, 07:29:14 pm
I'm ashamed to admit this but the things in this world that I think are the worst are spiders. Scare the living daylights out of me.
That, and anything along the lines of violent, infectious diseases (mutated rabies in L4D).
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:32:35 pm
What's so wonderous about life? Just becuase it's complicated does not mean it's magic.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:33:08 pm
Wondrous=/=magic.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 10, 2010, 07:35:36 pm
inb4 Clarkequote
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: alway on May 10, 2010, 07:37:02 pm
Quote from: kierkkadon on May 10, 2010, 07:29:14 pm
I'm ashamed to admit this but the things in this world that I think are the worst are spiders. Scare the living daylights out of me.
That, and anything along the lines of violent, infectious diseases (mutated rabies in L4D).
Aw, but spiders are so cute up close!
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Also, I have yet to see anyone here describe it as magical. No YECs here yet. However, complexity has an allure all on its own.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:37:30 pm
AwwwwwwwwwwWWWWWAAAAAAAATTTTTT.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:37:36 pm
Quote from: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:33:08 pm
Wondrous=/=magic.
I dont understand. If it's not magic there is no wonder to it. It's just physics. Like 1+1=2 except it's more complicated.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:41:17 pm
That's a personal opinion. Just because something is explainable or conforms to scientific law as we know it doesn't mean it's not wondrous. I, personally, find the complexity of even the most basic of life to be wondrous.

But again, the idea of what wondrous means varies from person to person so it doesn't bare arguing about.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: alway on May 10, 2010, 07:42:20 pm
Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:37:36 pm
Quote from: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:33:08 pm
Wondrous=/=magic.
I dont understand. If it's not magic there is no wonder to it. It's just physics. Like 1+1=2 except it's more complicated.
Bah, I suspect you don't think equations can have beauty either.
Besides, with science we can do most of what used to be considered magic. As far as I'm concerned, the difference is semantic.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:49:45 pm
Quote from: alway on May 10, 2010, 07:42:20 pm
Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:37:36 pm
Quote from: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:33:08 pm
Wondrous=/=magic.
I dont understand. If it's not magic there is no wonder to it. It's just physics. Like 1+1=2 except it's more complicated.
Bah, I suspect you don't think equations can have beauty either.
Beauty is in the eye of a beholder.

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I, personally, find the complexity of even the most basic of life to be wondrous.
That's becuase you dont understand them. It's no wonder when you understand it.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:52:04 pm
I understand it to the extent that science understands it. I don't just find the parts I don't get to be wondrous. For example, the heart - that's a pretty amazing piece of equipment. Atoms - astonishing.

On a totally different tangent the rising of the sun in the morning - wondrous for me and I know damn well why it happens.

Just because we don't know everything doesn't mean that the things we do know hold no amazement for us.

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Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:49:45 pm
Quote from: alway on May 10, 2010, 07:42:20 pm
Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:37:36 pm
Quote from: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:33:08 pm
Wondrous=/=magic.
I dont understand. If it's not magic there is no wonder to it. It's just physics. Like 1+1=2 except it's more complicated.
Bah, I suspect you don't think equations can have beauty either.
Beauty is in the eye of a beholder.

Exactly. I don't see why you're claiming that the only things that are wondrous are the ones we don't understand when it's very much in the eye of the beholder.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 10, 2010, 07:56:29 pm
Quote from: alway on May 10, 2010, 07:37:02 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

:)
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: SIGVARDR on May 10, 2010, 08:01:35 pm
Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:49:45 pm
Quote from: alway on May 10, 2010, 07:42:20 pm
Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 07:37:36 pm
Quote from: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 07:33:08 pm
Wondrous=/=magic.
I dont understand. If it's not magic there is no wonder to it. It's just physics. Like 1+1=2 except it's more complicated.
Bah, I suspect you don't think equations can have beauty either.
Beauty is in the eye of a beholder.

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I, personally, find the complexity of even the most basic of life to be wondrous.
That's becuase you dont understand them. It's no wonder when you understand it.
I don't think you quite grasp what your  saying.
That being said,Life,in the biological sense,is quite wondrous.A pity so many waste it.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 08:03:18 pm
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Just because we don't know everything doesn't mean that the things we do know hold no amazement for us.
Just becuase we don't know everything does not mean that everything is awesome. I have no idea how you do it. I just know Im not amazed at anything. How the hell are you?

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I don't think you quite grasp what your  saying.
What's so wonderous about life? How is it any different from dirt?
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 08:07:06 pm
Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 08:03:18 pm
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Just because we don't know everything doesn't mean that the things we do know hold no amazement for us.
Just becuase we don't know everything does not mean that everything is awesome. I have no idea how you do it. I just know Im not amazed at anything. How the hell are you?

I really can't give you any advice because I'm not sure. Not everything is awesome, a lot of things are, so enjoy life as much as you can, that's all the help I can give. Since you seem perfectly happy as you are, I don't see why I need to help at all. As long as you're enjoying being alive.

Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 08:03:18 pm
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I don't think you quite grasp what your  saying.
What's so wonderous about life? How is it any different from dirt?

You mean chemically or metaphorically?
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 10, 2010, 08:08:42 pm
Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 08:03:18 pm

What's so wonderous about life? How is it any different from dirt?

Life
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dirt
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I hope this was of help.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 08:11:00 pm
(the only difference is life uses facial cream to stop the cracking)
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: chaoticag on May 10, 2010, 08:15:41 pm
Life is a wonderful thing to me, although I may be biased here. Sentience is absolutely amazing too.

Besides, when was the last time you laughed while staring at dirt? It is pretty uncomplicated too, just SiO2, versus the 20 amino acids, the lipids and carbohydrates that combine in specific ways to make an automated individual.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 10, 2010, 08:16:53 pm
Ok, let me put it this way:

Life:
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Non life:
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which one do you prefer?
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 08:19:10 pm
Do you mean realistically or insanely hopefully?
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: The Doctor on May 10, 2010, 08:30:38 pm
Either way, that chick is ugly.


:U
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 08:38:40 pm
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Just because we don't know everything doesn't mean that the things we do know hold no amazement for us.
Just becuase we don't know everything does not mean that everything is awesome. I have no idea how you do it. I just know Im not amazed at anything. How the hell are you?

I really can't give you any advice because I'm not sure. Not everything is awesome, a lot of things are, so enjoy life as much as you can, that's all the help I can give. Since you seem perfectly happy as you are, I don't see why I need to help at all. As long as you're enjoying being alive.
I dont need help. I dont see why you find random things wonderous that are no wonder. Why? What's so special about hearts and suns and atoms? What makes a sun more wonderous then a dog or a brick?

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Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 08:03:18 pm
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I don't think you quite grasp what your  saying.
What's so wonderous about life? How is it any different from dirt?

You mean chemically or metaphorically?
Both?

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I hope this was of help.
I still have no idea how the woman is more of a wonder then the land.

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which one do you prefer?
What makes the balloon any less complex then that woman? It requires many humans, years and years of human study, human teamwork, machines, buisiness and who knows what else to make that balloon. It only takes two humans to make another.

Your chances of going to a random planet and finding life are ridiculously higher then going to a random planet and finding something like that.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 10, 2010, 08:39:34 pm
So you choose B.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 08:41:39 pm
It's good that you don't need my help to enjoy life.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 08:48:07 pm
Quote from: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 08:41:39 pm
It's good that you don't need my help to enjoy life.
Being awe-struck by the sun and enjoying life are two very different things.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 08:52:27 pm
Whenever I sit up for the dawn, it leaves me with a glow that lasts the entire day. I don't spend that day praising the sun, I spend it doing whatever I had planned for that day, but nevertheless, I always enjoy the dawn. It's not enjoying life, but it's a part of it.

I think perhaps wonder is too strong a word, but it's nice every now and then to simply bask in, well, life.

I really don't see your problem here. Hell, I don't know what we're arguing about. The definition of life? What makes it a good thing? How to enjoy ourselves?

This really is pointless.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: SIGVARDR on May 10, 2010, 08:56:14 pm
I wouldn't waste time trying to talk sense.everyone has stated their point,and he keeps wanting to provoke some sort of pointless argument.same guy from that one thread who was trying to defend crack,if i remember correctly.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 10, 2010, 08:57:23 pm
Oh, we all know about Cowofdoom and his arguments.

Actually, I think I'll stop here and now. I don't really know where this is going, I don't care and nothing Cow says will make me see anything in any more of a mundane way than I already do.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Tofu on May 11, 2010, 03:12:31 am
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Just because we don't know everything doesn't mean that the things we do know hold no amazement for us.
Just becuase we don't know everything does not mean that everything is awesome. I have no idea how you do it. I just know Im not amazed at anything. How the hell are you?

I really can't give you any advice because I'm not sure. Not everything is awesome, a lot of things are, so enjoy life as much as you can, that's all the help I can give. Since you seem perfectly happy as you are, I don't see why I need to help at all. As long as you're enjoying being alive.
I dont need help. I dont see why you find random things wonderous that are no wonder. Why? What's so special about hearts and suns and atoms? What makes a sun more wonderous then a dog or a brick?

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Quote from: cowofdoom78963 on May 10, 2010, 08:03:18 pm
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I don't think you quite grasp what your  saying.
What's so wonderous about life? How is it any different from dirt?

You mean chemically or metaphorically?
Both?

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I hope this was of help.
I still have no idea how the woman is more of a wonder then the land.

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which one do you prefer?
What makes the balloon any less complex then that woman? It requires many humans, years and years of human study, human teamwork, machines, buisiness and who knows what else to make that balloon. It only takes two humans to make another.

Your chances of going to a random planet and finding life are ridiculously higher then going to a random planet and finding something like that.
I think you have just answered your own question. "Your chances of going to a random planet and finding dirt are ridiculously higher than going to a random planet and finding life" or something like that. It is the system that is making it work, the unlikelihood of it all.
But yes, the is still up to the opinion of the viewer and interpreter.
Funny that you mentioned that it was nothing more than a more complex "1+1=2" when in fact numbers, or the numbers one and zero are insanely complicated concepts thought up by man. There is nothing such as one whole thing, as that would effectively need a standard template for what is "one", but since no two objects can be exactly the same, it is impossible. Thus there is no such thing as a number one. We thought it up as a sort of imposed standard upon ...well something.
It is wondrously complex, and fun. It is wonderful in the same way that people admire art, and its wonder. It is no more than a mathematical representation of the universes building blocks put together in an incredibly complex pattern, but wha'eva. It doesn't matter, right?
No, it doesn't. Well, I hope I have been able to inform you exactly "why" it is wonderous.
Title: Re: Oh the wonders of life
Post by: Nilocy on May 11, 2010, 07:37:59 am
Women are still on top of my list, cause they feel nice and make me happy.