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Title: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 01, 2010, 12:36:40 pm
Ok, well I am modifying the front page so people know what to do so they can actually play with us. If you have any other things you think I may have missed, just tell me and I will add them. Also, poll results will go here.

Steps to enjoy Black and White with you fellow B12ers:

1. Install Black and White
2. Install Black and White 1.2 Patch (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=130)
2.5. If you already installed to the 1.3 patch, use the Patch Uninstaller first (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=132)
3. Download Pheonix (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=970) and extract to your Black and White folder.... or your desktop, doesn't really matter, and open port 6012 so you can join games
3.5. If you wish to host, open ports 6012, 6014, and 2612.
4. Download these map packs, and install in the order shown:

Black and White Map Pack (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=239)
Kratzean Online Pack 1 (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=715)
Kratzean Online Pack 2 (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=716)
Kratzean Online Pack 3 (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=717)
Kratzean Online Pack 4 (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=718)

OPTIONAL STEPS:
5. Download the creature unlock files so you can enjoy four other creatures:

Mandrill (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=136)
Leopard (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=135)
Horse (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=134)
Gorilla (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=133)

6. Download a Black and White backup tool (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=197) so when you get to lands 3 and 5 you can backup your creature... In land 3 he is frozen and will feel neglected, and in land 5 a curse is put on your creature and if you don't do things just right the curse will never go away (I know, I know, spoilers, but they are game breaking bugs so...)

Game Times (In GMT):

We need someone to host and we need a time that they can host.... otherwise I will just lock the thread and declare it dead.

Poll Results

Favorite Black and White game

Black and White
54 Votes (53.5%)

Black and White Creature Isle
5 Votes (5%)

Black and White 2
19 Votes (18.8%)

Black and White 2: Battle of the Gods
3 Votes (3%)

All of the above.
12 Votes (11.9%)

I hated them
8 Votes (7.9%)

Black and White wins with 54 votes out of 101. Anyway, the next poll will be on:

Favorite Black and White Starter Creature (Yes, I put the unlock-able creatures up there as well because you can switch your creature out immediately after getting it (well, after the tutorials of course))
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 01, 2010, 12:44:00 pm
I really wish I could have picked this thing up, never happened though.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alexwazer on June 01, 2010, 01:10:03 pm
I've got both base game, but none of the expansions. I think the second is a really nice game, but much less so for anyone who played and enjoyed the first; it lost some of its predecessor's... erm 'charm' (mega blasting your own city/villagers) and the creature is boring compared to the first. It was also a poor attempt at attracting RTS fans. The only reason I still play it once in a while is because of the city building aspect... and I admit, the volcano and MAGMA!!!11one!

Since I started playing Godville, I have considered playing the first B&W again. In fact I reinstalled the game 2 or 3 days ago, although I have yet to launch it. However, I probably would not play in multiplayer. I hate to admit it, but somehow I suck in B&W. Last time I played against someone, I got completely overwhelmed in an horribly short time... losing is fun, but I prefer it when it takes a bit longer.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Myroc on June 01, 2010, 01:17:55 pm
I rather liked Black & White 2. The city-building part was awesome, even if it did make you feel less like a God and more like a city leader.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 01, 2010, 01:18:34 pm
Hehe, I would always lose when I played... except for when I made awesome alliances. I would farm prayer and give it to my allies, and they would obliterate the enemy. It was fairly fun. I normally spend too much time trying to build a bajillion houses and trying to convert  "that one village", and then realize that the enemy had taken all villages but that one village and my starter. Que mega blasts at my temple.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 01, 2010, 01:19:09 pm
Yeah, why not?
 
What was the player cap? I'd like to see a Vishna multiplayer, where there's eight players on each of two teams, with one temple each.
 
Yeah, if you get a game going, I'll try to join in.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: lumin on June 01, 2010, 01:26:42 pm
I never really liked any of the Black and White games.  It seems like they had such great potential for being open world sandbox games, but it seems like Molyneux doesn't know how to make one of those.  They all felt like a sandbox on rails, if that's even possible (and all Molyneux games feel this way).

The thing that really bugged me about the B&W games was the stupid little "quest" scrolls you find lying around the place.  Talk about an immersion breaker:  Here I am, they tell me that I am the most powerful god of the universe, but yet I need these lame little scrolls to accomplish anything meaningful? 

So here I am, "unlocking" my god powers by clicking on the dumb scrolls.  By the time that I actually get any freedom to do anything the game freezes and I get "Congratulations, Level Defeated!".  I ask myself, "Wait a second, I thought I was playing a god game in a massive dynamic world, not beating some static 'level'???"  Then on the next "level", all of my progress is basically erased and I'm asked to start over again on a totally different map.  WTF???!!!

The game would have made it for me if they had just added a "sandbox" mode or a map generator or some such thing.  This is what made Sim City so great, you had the option to just mess around with all of the features without quests or stories or scenarios or any crap like that.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alexwazer on June 01, 2010, 01:35:42 pm
I normally spend too much time trying to build a bajillion houses and trying to convert  "that one village", and then realize that the enemy had taken all villages but that one village and my starter. Que mega blasts at my temple.

That resume rather well what happened to me.

Although my main difficulty is with creature training... mmkay, I usually start with the tiger, which really doesn't help and leads to countless hours of boring 'training': "Hey look! See that shiny spell I am trying to teach... wait drop that villager and look over here." I also have very little patience with virtual pet/creature/hero (damned hero in Godville) so I usually end up overreacting and beating the crap out of my creature for some stupid thing. Thanks God, I've got no children  :P


Prepost edit:

I never really liked any of the Black and White games.  It seems like they had such great potential for being open world sandbox games, but it seems like Molyneux doesn't know how to make one of those.  They all felt like a sandbox on rails, if that's even possible (and all Molyneux games feel this way).

The thing that really bugged me about the B&W games was the stupid little "quest" scrolls you find lying around the place.  Talk about an immersion breaker:  Here I am, they tell me that I am the most powerful god of the universe, but yet I need these lame little scrolls to accomplish anything meaningful? 

So here I am, "unlocking" my god powers by clicking on the dumb scrolls.  By the time that I actually get any freedom to do anything the game freezes and I get "Congratulations, Level Defeated!".  I ask myself, "Wait a second, I thought I was playing a god game in a massive dynamic world, not beating some static 'level'???"  Then on the next "level", all of my progress is basically erased and I'm asked to start over again.  WTF???!!!

I fully agree when it comes to the second game, but not at all with the first. Did you really try the first game? Because almost everything you mention doesn't really apply. Completing the 'level' does not force you to move on, you can send in the vortex bunch of stuff and recover part of it in the next map (feature I totally abuse), most scrolls quests are optional, the story ones usually are only for advancing the story except the first few tutorials. Besides, the real fun in the first game is outside the main storyline (although I still like the first 2 maps).
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Akura on June 01, 2010, 02:13:33 pm
Hehe, I would always lose when I played... except for when I made awesome alliances. I would farm prayer and give it to my allies, and they would obliterate the enemy. It was fairly fun. I normally spend too much time trying to build a bajillion houses and trying to convert  "that one village", and then realize that the enemy had taken all villages but that one village and my starter. Que mega blasts at my temple.
In my experience, Megablasts aren't very effective at destroying a temple, although that could depend on which takes damage first from temple attacks, worshippers or buildings(I forget).

Now, dropping a pile of wood, dropping several rocks on that pile, and dropping a fireball on that, you can get some good results from your new weapon. It probably even creates more of an impression if the flaming rock of death happens to be an artifact.

And as for an expanding opponent, just use the spikey leash and attach your creature to one of their villages, with the words "Have fun." to him(helps if you taught him to eat people and crap on houses). A long range fireball works, if you can throw it. The continuous whispers of "Death!" will certainly draw their attention from whatever their doing.

@alexwazer: The tiger is supposed to be more aggressive. The ape is the better learner, while the cow is supposed to be there to take care of your people.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 01, 2010, 02:15:33 pm
Yeah, why not?
 
What was the player cap? I'd like to see a Vishna multiplayer, where there's eight players on each of two teams, with one temple each.
 
Yeah, if you get a game going, I'll try to join in.

I THINK the cap was like 6 gods, but each has one temple. You can only ally if you are in a clan (I believe, it's been years since I've played multiplayer, and I was 7 at the time so....)
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Bluerobin on June 01, 2010, 02:24:37 pm
Oh man... it's been too long since I've played either. I quite liked both B&W 1 and 2 but for very different reasons (most of which have been talked about already). I should sit down and play through one of them again.
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Post by: Soulwynd on June 01, 2010, 02:25:21 pm
Isn't the original made by that guy who promised things but never delivered?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alexwazer on June 01, 2010, 02:44:31 pm
Isn't the original made by that guy who promised things but never delivered?

Pretty much. Although I've seen worse when it comes to not delivering *looks at Spore and sighs dejectedly*.


@alexwazer: The tiger is supposed to be more aggressive. The ape is the better learner, while the cow is supposed to be there to take care of your people.

Yeah I know, but both the cow and the ape's sounds annoy me too much. I just can't stand playing with them, so I am stuck playing the stupid tiger until I unlock something else to replace him. I never used the downloadable creatures (gorilla, leopard, mandrill and maybe another... forgot).

Oh man, now I really feel like throwing villagers and fireballs around, but the mere thought of hearing "We need need food/protection/civic building/to breed like fucking rabbits" scares me.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: nenjin on June 01, 2010, 02:49:48 pm
B&W to date has one of the most pointlessly long tutorial levels ever made. I'm the kind of gamer that takes as much time as they need to do every last thing before moving on...and even I was like "Holy fuck, this tutorial is STILL going?"

The humor really threw me off too, because it was written for 4th graders. Who did they think their target audience was with B&W?

Lastly, yeah, the structure of the game turned me off as well. The quest scrolls were and still are a terrible way to approach a game. SOME of the quests were ok. Some of them were downright insulting to a deity. (A man with a philandering wife, and he needs you to find out who she's sleeping with? WTF! I didn't sign up for the godammn SIMs.)

True frustration set in trying to train that worthless stuffed animal they give you. Even after tons and tons of conditioning, the most my animal would do is smash one house, then go ALLLLLLL the way back to the first city to kick his ball around or something.

And then trying to level a city controlled by a rival god.....yeah, throw fireball, watch him throw up his shield spell. Throw a rock. Watch him throw up his shield spell. Start another fire. Watch him make rain, THEN throw up his shield spell. It was so bloody tedious I don't know how they thought it was compelling.

Black and White II made some decent changes to some parts of the game (like, actually giving you something to DO other than chase quest scrolls and throw stuff across the world, and an actual storyline.) But all the problems I had with the game were still there. Bad humor. A lack of feeling like an actual god. DOING STUPID QUESTS. The city and army management just made me feel farther from being a god, and closer to being a Wizard named Napoleon. The "Good/evil" dynamic was ok, but a day late and a dollar short, because almost every game has generic good evil choices...and the most you got out of doing the evil thing in B&W was the ground looked "evil" and some of your buildings were spiky. Whoopee. The sacrificial pit was the only perk I remember at all that I enjoyed.

So yeah. **** Black and White. I respect what the game can do, and the fun people can create for themselves. But as a whole package, it fails in my book. I made it 5 missions into B&W2, which is 5x farther than I made it in B&W1, and I never saw the awesomeness that was supposed to make the tedium worth it. There was so much ridiculous bloat in those games that really distracted and detracted from the main theme: being a god instead of a disembodied hand with a retarded pet.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kagus on June 01, 2010, 03:12:48 pm
Well, personally, I had quite a good time with Black and White.  I won't say that there weren't a few parts that rubbed me the wrong way, but overall I had fun.  I liked messing around and generally screwing with the populace of the various worlds.  And it really does open up after the first world, just so y'all know...

Heh, I remember abusing the cross-world portals...  I once ended up shoving so much junk in there that when I popped out on the other side, the entire surrounding area was covered in cows, grain, villagers, wood, trees, and other assorted detritus (I'd normally try and shove a toadstool or pile of poisoned grain in there as well...  Damn, I was one nasty little blighter).  Days later and there were still little hills of grain dotting the countryside.

I always ended up with schizophrenic creatures...  They'd constantly stand around and talk/tell jokes to themselves.  Fun to watch, but you start worrying about their mental health partway through...

And after I found out that items in prayer areas increased the amount generated, I stuffed tons of trees and stones into the area surrounding my temple.  Ended up being quite the landscaper, with rows of trees and little stone circles...  I'd even have people enchant artifacts specifically for the purpose of prayer decoration.

Ahh, and the joy of lighting rocks on fire...  I remember the first time I did that, it was on the second island...  Right next to the starting village there's this little cliff with a bunch of rocks at the bottom, sitting in a kind of indentation.  I'd smash the rocks a bit so I got a good bed of "charcoal", and then just set the whole damn thing ablaze.  It's amazing how long rocks will burn...

Since that pile would remain lit for ages, I'd just use that as my main source of projectiles.  It was loads of fun watching the AI freak out at my homemade "meteors"...  A burning rock would crash into a building, so they'd register a physical attack and put up an appropriate shield.  Then the burning rock would set the building (and the villagers) on fire, so they'd register a spiritual attack.  Up goes the spirit shield.

Of course, there's no way they could sustain two full-sized shields at the same time, so he'd drain all his power and both shields would drop.  Time for another rock.


Yes, yes...  Burning rocks, chemical warfare, stealing scaffolding from the AI...  Lots of good times.

I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of...  They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 01, 2010, 03:20:19 pm
I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of...  They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).

Uh... do tell?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Apple Master on June 01, 2010, 03:22:49 pm
I literally "found" my disk earlier this morning. I'd be up for a multiplayer, too.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 01, 2010, 03:31:56 pm
Hehe, how are we going to do multiplayer? Evil hamachi?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alexwazer on June 01, 2010, 03:32:54 pm
I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of...  They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).

Uh... do tell?

Build a spell dispenser or whatever they are called, drop your spell on it to make a one-shot miracle. Grab (not tap) the bubble and hand it over to your creature, it should partly learn the spell as if you had casted it. Make sure to make it drop before it actually cast it or eat it... stupid tiger. Rinse and repeat until it reaches 100%.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Rakonas on June 01, 2010, 03:37:26 pm
B&W1 and 2 were both definitely good games. B&W2 with its strangely good but out of place city-building and such, particularly the boring creature training mechanics, wasn't nearly so good as B&W1. I don't think I ever made it past the island with the meteors, though, and I never knew about enchanting artifacts and decorating worship areas for a bonus.. I might have to reinstall the game, but I've got a long backlog of games to be played beforehand.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: quinnr on June 01, 2010, 03:41:21 pm
So where could one buy this game?
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Post by: Kagus on June 01, 2010, 03:44:15 pm
I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of...  They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).

Uh... do tell?

Build a spell dispenser or whatever they are called, drop your spell on it to make a one-shot miracle. Grab (not tap) the bubble and hand it over to your creature, it should partly learn the spell as if you had casted it. Make sure to make it drop before it actually cast it or eat it... stupid tiger. Rinse and repeat until it reaches 100%.
Yep, that's the stuff.  So far as I could tell, that was pretty much the only use for those things, since they refused to actually generate new bubbles on their own.  I think the creature may even have learned the spell faster that way.

I really can't see why you'd teach your critter mega blast though...  Sure, the bragging rights are great, but it's awfully expensive in terms of fatigue and hunger, the creature can quite easily get caught in the blast (of course, I've had creatures unload an entire blast of lightning into themselves, so...), and it takes frikkin' years to get them to learn it all the way.  And for all that, there's not much more accomplished than what a good ol' lightning spell or a couple fireballs could whip up.

I mean, if I'm going to utterly demolish a town with an upgraded megablast storm...  I want to have the honor of doing it myself.


I think I made a critter eat a spell bubble one time...  I don't think it went over all that well.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: nenjin on June 01, 2010, 03:46:10 pm
Well, put it like this. Steam doesn't have it, Good Old Games doesn't have it, and even the EA Store doesn't carry it. So you may have to pursue other avenues. Or Amazon/Ebay.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 01, 2010, 03:48:06 pm
Like I said, I lost my disk and full demoed the game. I still had my CD key so I didn't feel bad doing it, but.... it is way to hard to find a copy nowadays.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Cajoes on June 01, 2010, 04:43:30 pm
I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of...  They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).

Uh... do tell?

Build a spell dispenser or whatever they are called, drop your spell on it to make a one-shot miracle. Grab (not tap) the bubble and hand it over to your creature, it should partly learn the spell as if you had casted it. Make sure to make it drop before it actually cast it or eat it... stupid tiger. Rinse and repeat until it reaches 100%.
Yep, that's the stuff.  So far as I could tell, that was pretty much the only use for those things, since they refused to actually generate new bubbles on their own.  I think the creature may even have learned the spell faster that way.

I really can't see why you'd teach your critter mega blast though...  Sure, the bragging rights are great, but it's awfully expensive in terms of fatigue and hunger, the creature can quite easily get caught in the blast (of course, I've had creatures unload an entire blast of lightning into themselves, so...), and it takes frikkin' years to get them to learn it all the way.  And for all that, there's not much more accomplished than what a good ol' lightning spell or a couple fireballs could whip up.

I mean, if I'm going to utterly demolish a town with an upgraded megablast storm...  I want to have the honor of doing it myself.


I think I made a critter eat a spell bubble one time...  I don't think it went over all that well.

Well actually, I built them next to the level warp portal, siphoning my excess mana into water, food, health and wood miracles for use on the other end.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 01, 2010, 04:57:51 pm
Does anyone want to try to set up a game using hamachi? I just want to know if it will work, and if it will, maybe we will play a small skirmish game or something.

EDIT: Network: B12B&W (will show up as B12BW when actually connected)
Password: dwarfspwn
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Post by: quinnr on June 01, 2010, 05:07:35 pm
Hamachi hates me. So no. :-P
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Post by: Shadowgandor on June 01, 2010, 05:41:23 pm
http://archive2009.codeofrob.com/projects/Default.aspx?Item=BWPhoenix

Black & White multiplayer without Hamachi :)
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 01, 2010, 05:45:02 pm
http://archive2009.codeofrob.com/projects/Default.aspx?Item=BWPhoenix

Black & White multiplayer without Hamachi :)

*Clicks download links* 404 error. *cries* *Clicks download links* 404 error. *cries* *smashes computer*.  :'(
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: quinnr on June 01, 2010, 05:48:29 pm
http://archive2009.codeofrob.com/projects/Default.aspx?Item=BWPhoenix

Black & White multiplayer without Hamachi :)

*Clicks download links* 404 error. *cries* *Clicks download links* 404 error. *cries* *smashes computer*.  :'(
Sadness.

Also, I see your edit.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alexwazer on June 01, 2010, 05:57:34 pm
Try here (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=970)

Include both client and lobby, but I didn't try it.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 01, 2010, 05:58:20 pm
What, it- arghhh!

Oh, whew!
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Post by: quinnr on June 01, 2010, 06:02:57 pm
-glances at similar files list-
OMG. POKEMON! WEEEEEEE!
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: commondragon on June 01, 2010, 07:30:48 pm
I refuse to play a game where the AI cheats.  Yes, you can mess with things outside of your influence for a couple of seconds.  But that doesnt give the AI an excuse to remove every tree I place in my worship area, even when they are about dead.  Seems like theres only an artifical stopper to keep them from grabbing every last one of your villagers and sacrificing them.
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Post by: mnjiman on June 01, 2010, 08:22:49 pm
Black and White was a great game

Black and White 2 was trying to listen to the players too much and limited the control as a god and made it less sand boxy.
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Post by: Akura on June 01, 2010, 08:55:12 pm
I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of...  They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).

Uh... do tell?

Build a spell dispenser or whatever they are called, drop your spell on it to make a one-shot miracle. Grab (not tap) the bubble and hand it over to your creature, it should partly learn the spell as if you had casted it. Make sure to make it drop before it actually cast it or eat it... stupid tiger. Rinse and repeat until it reaches 100%.
Yep, that's the stuff.  So far as I could tell, that was pretty much the only use for those things, since they refused to actually generate new bubbles on their own.  I think the creature may even have learned the spell faster that way.

I really can't see why you'd teach your critter mega blast though...  Sure, the bragging rights are great, but it's awfully expensive in terms of fatigue and hunger, the creature can quite easily get caught in the blast (of course, I've had creatures unload an entire blast of lightning into themselves, so...), and it takes frikkin' years to get them to learn it all the way.  And for all that, there's not much more accomplished than what a good ol' lightning spell or a couple fireballs could whip up.

I mean, if I'm going to utterly demolish a town with an upgraded megablast storm...  I want to have the honor of doing it myself.


I think I made a critter eat a spell bubble one time...  I don't think it went over all that well.
I think the point of teaching your creature Megablast is that you don't teach your creature Megablast.

The method I use is just tap-cast the spell until it learns a bit, and wave off whatever's left. It's less of a hassle, and you don't need to grow your creature any to hold the seed.

And actually, the difference between Megablast and a lot of Fireballs/Lightnings is that Megablast annihilates buildings. Burning and smashing buildings shuts it down, but they can almost always be repaired(there might be a point where it really gets destroyed), but a Megablast erases it completely. All that's left is a black spot, which looks eerily like a nuclear shadow. Might cause strange things to happen if you nuke a Village Center, I'm not sure.
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Post by: Kagus on June 01, 2010, 09:12:54 pm
If the black spot is there, that means the building is actually still capable of being repaired.  Just about the only way to utterly destroy a building is through fire, as the building burns all the way down to that shadow and then there's a little "zap" where an image of the full building appears and then disintegrates.  Then it's gone for good.  It is exceptionally difficult to destroy something outright through physical punishment, but fire works rather well, but it needs something to light up to start with.  It's very difficult to get rid of those shadows, if that's what you're working with.

I'm surprised no one was interested in how to resurrect dead peasants...  I'd have thought that skeletal villagers would be quite interesting for y'all.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 01, 2010, 09:19:08 pm
I'll bite: how do you resurrect peasants?
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Post by: Kagus on June 01, 2010, 09:35:28 pm
Teleport.  Just set up two (or more, if you don't want to know where the dude ends up) portals, and wait for someone to die (or help them along).  Once you've got a suitably dead person (can be either skeletal or nabbed before their soul runs off, so they still have their skin.  Doesn't matter), pick up the body and drop it into the one portal.

Over on the other portal, the corpse will emerge from the spinning vortex with 1% health.  They will crawl on their hands and knees all the way to their house, whereupon they will rest until they have 100% health.

Once that's done, they will pop out of their house and run about doing various tasks.  They will never eat again, but they do go back to their homes at night (out of habit).  They also don't make any noise.  I'm actually not sure how they act with worship...  Should be rather interesting though, since they don't get hungry or tired.

Now, there are a couple oddities with these guys...  First of all, if the city they come from doesn't have a graveyard, they'll disrupt the populace by having a bunch of mourners following them around wherever they go.  Even if it does have a graveyard, the dead and the living don't mix too well...  Living villagers seem to get spooked by the walking dead.

Second, don't pick them up.  If you do, they'll instantly revert to a fully dead state and you'll have to send them through the portals again (you can do this as many times as you like, so long as you have a body).  This means no undead disciples.

As the dead, they're also not too good about breeding.  Expect an entirely stable village population.  Due to the way they disrupt living villagers and don't need the food-based infrastructure of normal villages, it might be helpful to have a separate village to stick them in.  Just take the elderly and the infirm from your regular towns, migrate them over to the village of the dead, and then wait for them to die (again, this process can be helped).  Then it's just a matter of shootin' them through the teleport channel.

This can be quite fun in longer games, as you'll end up with a number of villagers who are hundreds of years old.  And if you keep all the villagers of a particular race as dead people, you might be able to see just how well the dead give you worship.


This process can be used on anyone.  Men, women, children, pre-resurrected individuals...  As long as they can be shoved into a portal, they can come out the other side with new unlife.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 01, 2010, 09:55:36 pm
That's horribly wonderful.
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Post by: Moogie on June 02, 2010, 12:59:20 am
How popular is the rebooted multiplayer scene?

Back when Lionhead had actual rankings for it, I managed to hit #3 (worldwide). Fantastic fun, everyone had their own winning strategies... I still remember exactly what needed to be done to win a 1v1 match against almost anyone. :D

If there's prey competition out there, I'd love to jump back in to the fray. It's been a long time since I was good at any multiplayer games. :P
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 02, 2010, 01:46:53 am
I really liked the old Black & White game, and still have it, but could never bring myself to beat it and I don't even have any clue how to play the game. My pet always just sat around doing nothing because I never really figured out how to use him.


Not to mention the 60 hour long tutorial.
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Post by: Shadowgandor on June 02, 2010, 01:12:19 pm
I once had a giant cow creature that could cast every single miracle, including Megablast. I raised him to be a Good creature, so I didn't see much of his destructive force in action but hot damn, I could send him into a town, he'd cast flock of doves, storm (the friendly'ish one), filled the storage to the brink with wood and food and healed every single person in town.
 It was so sweet to look at, but then, my save got corrupted :( I was playing it on vista, ALWAYS run the game in administrator mode.
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Post by: NEOPhyte on June 02, 2010, 01:18:40 pm
I used to have a backed up creature file somewhere that knew everything except for the two upgraded megablasts, because even with a chimp, those took AGES to even get 1% learned. Also, you had to actually cast them, as you couldn't bubbleteach upgraded versions.
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Post by: Ochita on June 02, 2010, 01:21:27 pm
I remember the village building in te first game where new buildings cost more than the last. Plus I was always evil even when I didn't want to be  ::)
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 02, 2010, 02:29:06 pm
I tie my creature to a rock on the other side of the map. Don't mess with my temple, don't bother my worshippers, don't stomp around the village.
 
Then I just tie him to a neutral village and let him kick around in there.
 
Basically, I'd be a good god with an evil creature that I sometimes find it nessicary to inflict upon the Heathens.
 
He starves to death, teleports home, I feed him some villagers or something, and send him back; he's not quite smart enough to eat.
 
That way, if anything goes wrong, I just stop feeding him.
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Post by: Funk on June 02, 2010, 04:58:43 pm
i like this game but it takes forever to get moveing.
i did know how to get a army of undead guys in the second game
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 02, 2010, 07:09:49 pm
I'd much like to start that game up again and actually beat it this time, but first I have to figure out how to use the creature, I suppose.

...Anyone got a guide? ha
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Post by: Shadowgandor on June 02, 2010, 07:12:59 pm
Just follow the tutorial and you should be fine. Otherwise, check www.gamefaqs.com, that's where I learned a lot :)
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 02, 2010, 09:06:21 pm
Anybody have P5DLL.dll?

Bah, I HATE DLLs.

Dug it up on one of those sleazy "DLL helper" sites.

OK, yeah, I think we got everything working!
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 02, 2010, 09:31:06 pm
I'm so lazy I'm considering just torrenting the game despite the fact I can see the disc from here.

...It's just barely out of my reach...
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Post by: nenjin on June 02, 2010, 10:02:56 pm
Creature training is easy. Slap him and the last action/thought/behavior they had gets negatively reinforced. Pet him and it gets positively reinforced. Learning leash makes them learn the miracles you're casting when you're holding it, and teaches them actions the hand undertakes. Fluffy leash makes them prefer nice actions, aggressive leash jerk actions.

The only thing to remember is, if you want them to do or NOT do something, you need to be there to either reward or punish it the first time or two it happens. Otherwise the creature gets its own ideas about the action/behavior, and even if you discipline them later, they'll always prefer the way they decided before. Pets can't unlearn things once they've learned them, and you have to punish the crap out of a learned behavior to make them do it less.

B&W may be the best dog AI simulation to date :P
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Post by: NEOPhyte on June 02, 2010, 10:09:08 pm
I'm so lazy I'm considering just torrenting the game despite the fact I can see the disc from here.

...It's just barely out of my reach...
Why would you install the 1.3 patch if you don't have the p5 glove thing, that is literally the only thing that patch does.
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Post by: alexwazer on June 02, 2010, 11:11:57 pm
I'm so lazy I'm considering just torrenting the game despite the fact I can see the disc from here.

...It's just barely out of my reach...
Why would you install the 1.3 patch if you don't have the p5 glove thing, that is literally the only thing that patch does.

Changelogs are overrated. Downloading the latest patch first and asking questions later is the way to do it  :P
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 02, 2010, 11:26:59 pm
Yeah, few engineers I know would miss the opprotunity to add a small stability fix here or there, even a trivial one.

Besides, what if someone DOES have the glove thing? We need to be compatible.
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 02, 2010, 11:38:22 pm
What I'd like to know is how NEOphyte's post has anything to do whatsoever with my own post.
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Post by: NEOPhyte on June 02, 2010, 11:40:25 pm
What I'd like to know is how NEOphyte's post has anything to do whatsoever with my own post.
I'm used to forums where the quote button is UNDER the post you're quoting.
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Post by: Kagus on June 03, 2010, 01:21:43 am
The only thing to remember is, if you want them to do or NOT do something, you need to be there to either reward or punish it the first time or two it happens. Otherwise the creature gets its own ideas about the action/behavior, and even if you discipline them later, they'll always prefer the way they decided before. Pets can't unlearn things once they've learned them, and you have to punish the crap out of a learned behavior to make them do it less.

Also, don't let them eat fish.  Fish are for only fit for villagers.  If your creature eats fish, they will get hungrier and you will get more evil.

Strange bug.  Slightly hilarious, but still strange.
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Post by: Akura on June 03, 2010, 08:31:10 am
Does the horse creature become Evil when you teach him to eat horses?

The only thing to remember is, if you want them to do or NOT do something, you need to be there to either reward or punish it the first time or two it happens. Otherwise the creature gets its own ideas about the action/behavior, and even if you discipline them later, they'll always prefer the way they decided before. Pets can't unlearn things once they've learned them, and you have to punish the crap out of a learned behavior to make them do it less.

Also, don't let them eat fish.  Fish are for only fit for villagers.  If your creature eats fish, they will get hungrier and you will get more evil.

Strange bug.  Slightly hilarious, but still strange.
It could be that their swallowing seawater. Then again, they drink ocean water when their thirsty.

I wonder how that bug works, since fish is supposed to turn into grain when you pick it up or when a villager delivers it.
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Post by: Kagus on June 03, 2010, 11:02:22 am
Yeah, picking fish up and dropping them somewhere will turn them into grain, which is perfectly fine for eating.  If your critter goes and eats fish straight from the school however, they will "learn" to be hungrier, and you will get a few ticks towards the dark side.

This is great if you're training a creature who will devour everything in its path in honor of its dark and powerful master...  But if you're just trying to be a nice guy, it can be incredibly irritating to just keep those bats away from your temple!  And having that big lug consume greater and greater amounts of food isn't helping.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 03, 2010, 11:57:02 am
Alright, let's see if we can get a game going around 7:00 UTC-8.
 
Who's in?
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Post by: Kagus on June 03, 2010, 12:13:58 pm
Can't.  I've already got three different games I'm playing right now, and I might need to add in a turn of Dwarf Fortress on top of that.

...besides, I was always hilariously bad at versus matches.  And it's been ages since I played, so I don't have any creatures.


EDIT:  You know what we should do?  Get together a bunch of people with fresh creatures, and rope them all together with leashes.  Just sit back and see what they do.  It'd be great fun.
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Post by: Apple Master on June 03, 2010, 12:26:40 pm
I'd have to reinstall it, but I'm down for that. Actually what time is that GMT?
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Post by: head on June 03, 2010, 12:39:11 pm
I'l be down for a game what patch are we useing?
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 03, 2010, 01:00:56 pm
I'd say 1.3 with an additional third party patch from the Free Information Society. If you need the P5DLL.dll (The patch doesn't come with it for some reason), it's available online. Just put it in the lionhead\black and white folder.
 
UTC0 is GMT.
UTC-8 is Pacific.
 
There needs to be Standard Internet Time. It's 12 hours off from GMT, since we're all nocturnal anyway.
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 03, 2010, 06:30:34 pm
Standard Internet Time is whatever timezone happens to be between Bill Gates and Al Gore at the moment.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 03, 2010, 09:05:40 pm
OK, T-NOW until start game time.

Anyone want to host this? If push comes to shove, I can, but I hate having to deal with port forwarding and it can be temperamental on my system.
Since I personally haven't even gotten a creature yet, I propose we all start with fresh creatures. I think it defaults to Ape, so it'll be Monkey Kingdom.
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Post by: CJ1145 on June 03, 2010, 09:17:00 pm
How do I find a copy of this game? No store I know of sells PC games that old. I loved the second one and have heard great things about the first.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 03, 2010, 09:23:55 pm
How do I find a copy of this game? No store I know of sells PC games that old. I loved the second one and have heard great things about the first.

Amazon, or YAR HAR HAR HAR YO HO HO HO, BARREL O' RUM, ME HEARTIES.
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Post by: quinnr on June 03, 2010, 09:24:06 pm
How do I find a copy of this game? No store I know of sells PC games that old. I loved the second one and have heard great things about the first.
I would like to know also.

Might need to 'find' it somewhere on the interwebs.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 03, 2010, 09:27:11 pm
OK, Try 75.208.44.244 : 6012.
No promises it'll work, but it might.
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Post by: Rakonas on June 03, 2010, 09:28:30 pm
How do I find a copy of this game? No store I know of sells PC games that old. I loved the second one and have heard great things about the first.
I would like to know also.

Might need to 'find' it somewhere on the interwebs.
It's not like the developers are getting any money any more and thinking, 'oh hey, B&W1 is making money, let's make B&W3!'
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 03, 2010, 09:36:35 pm
Um... does anyone know how to start a LAN game?

If you're just joining us, try to join the lobby at:

75.208.44.244 : 6012

EDIT:looks like somebody's got it working! (Besides me)
Who's there? It shows one connection other than my own.
Nevermind... it's my port check tool. Heh. Well, at least the port's open.

Where did everybody go?

And how do I start this multiplayer game? Ah, just leave it open. These people are chimps over at ol' Lionhead...

Speaking of Chimps, it's 8:00 people. I thought everyone was spoiling to go for a game...
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Post by: quinnr on June 03, 2010, 10:09:11 pm
I don't have it yet :-P

It'll take a while to download.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 03, 2010, 10:41:22 pm
Alright, let's try scheduling this again sometime. How about 2:00 AM GMT Saturday, (that is 6:00 Pacific)?
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Post by: alfie275 on June 03, 2010, 10:45:29 pm
I has this game!
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 04, 2010, 12:06:28 am
How do you use a creature you downloaded the patch for?
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 04, 2010, 12:11:35 am
How do you use a creature you downloaded the patch for?

Don't. We'd have to get everyone hooked up with it... I think there is an external utility that changes it.
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 04, 2010, 12:22:34 am
Never said I was playing with you guys. I'm wondering how to use it in singleplayer because I am a born again newbie.
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Post by: alexwazer on June 04, 2010, 12:25:19 am
It only takes a few minutes to download and install the new creatures. You can download them here (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?category=22) (no registration required) and at 162 KB each, there is really no reason to limit yourselves.

You can switch to the downloaded creatures in either map 1 or 4. Look for a silver scroll somewhere beyond the wooden gate (after you got your first creature), a man should show up to offer you to change your current creature.


Edit: BTW, you can also use the utility (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=1109) PTTG?? mentionned.
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 04, 2010, 12:36:58 am
All I needed, thanks brah.
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Post by: Moogie on June 04, 2010, 08:17:10 am
How do you use a creature you downloaded the patch for?

Don't. We'd have to get everyone hooked up with it... I think there is an external utility that changes it.

FYI, this is incorrect. The patches are just unlockers; all versions of the game come with every creature available.
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Post by: Mono124 on June 04, 2010, 08:58:30 am
Well if anyone can get multiplayer lan to work, I'm in.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 04, 2010, 10:04:22 am
Multiplayer should be working with Pheonix. I'll start hosting a game at 6:00 tonight.

Post if you're going to be there!
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Post by: Mono124 on June 04, 2010, 02:06:39 pm
I... guess I will be. My creature is sorta lame though but... yeah. 6:00 in what time zone? Also, what patch are you using?
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 04, 2010, 02:25:05 pm
I don't even have a creature yet.
 
6:00 Pacific, 2:00 AM GMT
 
1.3 + Crack, using BW Pheonix. Make sure to forward ports!
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Post by: Gantolandon on June 04, 2010, 03:48:36 pm
I played this several years ago. Seemed fun for a while. The first island, at least, was really pleasant. Then came the second one, where I had to defeat another god. It was even better. The third one... that's where it gets annoying.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Akura on June 04, 2010, 04:15:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Is there a way to not fight Sleg in the first land, or do you have to fight when your creature goes to him?
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Post by: NEOPhyte on June 04, 2010, 04:27:03 pm
Is there a way to not fight Sleg in the first land, or do you have to fight when your creature goes to him?
Feed him twice, he falls asleep.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 04, 2010, 06:51:40 pm
1:19 minutes from now, I plan to start hosting. We should start playing no more than half an hour after that.
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Post by: Mono124 on June 04, 2010, 07:54:30 pm
Uh... what is your IP and the port you will be hosting on?

EDIT: Anyway, for the sake of the thread, what do you hate most about black and white? I hate the fact that when you do something in skirmish mode it reflects on your temple in multi player etc.... I didn't realize that, so I decided to torch my 400 worshipers in skirmish mode... Couldn't say spikes fast enough.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 04, 2010, 08:01:02 pm
I'm hooking it up now. My Wi-fi card died unexpectedly, then my router crashed and had to be rebooted, but I have a few hundred feet of CAT5 lying around and I hooked my computer up... I think it's almost working now.

The Lobby is at 75.208.44.183 : 6012.

I seeeee you. Starting the game now.
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Post by: Mono124 on June 04, 2010, 08:03:38 pm
Question: How do I set my nickname?

EDIT: Also in the game.

EDIT2: Game is up, you guys have about 5 minutes before we start... If you want to play after that time limit go ahead and tell us though and we will include you in the next game.
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 04, 2010, 08:56:07 pm
Seems I've run into a bit of a problem.

I had to use the creature changer utility to get the creature I wanted, because the trainer guy over in the corner kept saying he had nothing to offer.

Then I taught my creature a few miracles and such (Though I don't know how to get him to cast them himself) and saved and quit for the night.

When I get back on today, it's at the same time I saved, but I have a different creature and it unlearnt... *everything*

I'm on Patch 1.2 if it matters.
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Post by: Mono124 on June 04, 2010, 09:05:25 pm
Did you use Kong? Kong does that.... yeah.
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 04, 2010, 09:06:29 pm
Kong the creature?

I used the horse.

And if you meant something else entirely then I have no idea what you're talking about.

Edit: Also it seems to be unable to relearn anything it was previously taught. The lists all stay blank and it won't learn anything. Maybe I'll just see how restarting works.
Edit2: Now that I think of it, maybe the reason the trainer said he had nothing to offer is because the unlocker never seemed to work. Is there anything that would prevent it? Or any way to make sure it worked?
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Post by: Kagus on June 04, 2010, 09:20:54 pm
Kong is a creature-switching program you can use outside of Black and White.  Oddly enough, I never had any trouble with it...  sure, there were issues when I turned my creature into an ogre, but that's just because ogres weren't fully fleshed-out in the first B&W.

It also lets you set the size of creature...  Having an ape creature that's smaller than a villager is great fun, especially when he runs around kicking them to death.  Man...  Those legs moved FAST.
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 04, 2010, 09:31:31 pm
Oh, well. I was using the changer that was linked just a little earlier in this thread.

At any rate I still don't know how to use an unlockable without using a creature changer. I don't think the actual unlocker .exe's are working.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alexwazer on June 04, 2010, 10:17:35 pm
That's weird. I just did a test; starting a new game after using the creature unlocker and checked if they were offered. The man offers to change just as he is supposed to. I am using version 1.3, but it should not make any difference. I am not sure if the unlockers are version-specific however. You could try looking into this (try to update to 1.3 for example).

If everything else fail, I guess you could try reinstalling.


Edit: I just checked my unlockers' exe properties and they are marked as version 1.3. Check if it's the same with yours.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 04, 2010, 10:53:05 pm
I see the problem. Mine says 1.1.

Now if I can just find the 1.2 version..


Edit: Nevermind, got it to not horribly screw up when using the creature changer utility.

Now I just need to figure out how to make my creature cast miracles and such instead of just knowing them.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alexwazer on June 05, 2010, 12:39:26 am
The creature mostly learn by mimicking, so while it is leashed, use whatever miracle you want it to use, then reward it when/if it mimic you. Keep in mind that it will not cast miracles unless they are needed: i.e. it won't cast food on its own if the village(s) has enough, it won't cast healing spell unless someone is low on life, etc. Unless you cast the spell yourself, it might then mimic you.

Be careful about what you do while the creature is around. If, for example, it knows the fireball spell and see you use it against an enemy village, it might initially ignore the 'enemy' part and try to mimic you... in your own village.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kagus on June 05, 2010, 01:38:03 am
However, it is quite possible to train your creature to recognize the difference between your villagers and their villagers, and to act accordingly.

Due to ease of use and prettiness, I'd frequently cast the upgraded healing miracle on the town center, rather than an individual peasant or random location.  As such, my creature learned to heal buildings. 

Later, when I had explained the intricacies of separating living creatures from inanimate objects, he would often expend all the time and energy to cast an upgraded healing spell to heal one pig who happened to be limping a little bit.

Odd sort.  He also happened to have an unhealthy obsession with his toy ball.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 05, 2010, 02:03:12 am
Righto, right now my biggest gripe is getting him to use the food miracle to feed himself, assuming that can be done.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kagus on June 05, 2010, 02:13:24 am
Ah.  I think it's possible to teach them to do that, but I'm not entirely certain.

The primary concern, however, is the fact that casting miracles costs energy, so a creature will become more hungry and tired the more they exert their miraculous abilities.  There's a special lock built in that prevents creatures from casting miracles when they're too hungry or tired to get away with it easily.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 05, 2010, 02:17:31 am
Ah, okay then.

Back to trying to make him bigger and stronger then, the gist of what I got was "carry rocks around for a while and then sleep in pen"

I assume the pen is the little fenced area infront of the temple gate.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Akura on June 05, 2010, 08:16:26 am
It is. Also, the creature shrinks when he enters it. One of the most interesting things I've done was to drop fences in front of the gate to block him in. He kept kicking it down, no matter how many times I told him not to. So I put so many fences down that he couldn't kick it down(fences never break, oddly). He just kept kicking it. Would that make him better at doing flying jump-kicks in battle?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 05, 2010, 09:55:57 am
Are you guys planning another game? If you are I would like to join in the multiplayer mayhem. I got B&W after its hay day so I never actually got to play online.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 10:11:44 am
Yeah, it worked, too. Only problem was that I didn't have a creature. Make sure you complete land one, and maybe mess with Kong or something. Ook ok. Make sure you've backed up your account first, Kong can backfire.

Let's see, how about we try annother game tonight? I'll be able to set up the server again, especially since I know what we're doing now.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Apple Master on June 05, 2010, 10:15:43 am
What time?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 10:25:36 am
Let's do 6:00 pacific again. 9 hours from now.
Synchronize your chronomonomonomoneters.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Apple Master on June 05, 2010, 10:42:33 am
Anyone who can host at a reasonable time GMT? I can't see myself staying up past 2 in the morning.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 05, 2010, 01:03:20 pm
I can host in... two hours? I am mowing the lawn and then I have to wash some clothing. Wait... I don't know if I can host. My ports aren't forwarded... hmm.

EDIT: Well I can host now if someone wants to tell me how.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alfie275 on June 05, 2010, 01:19:17 pm
What patches do I need for this?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 05, 2010, 01:33:34 pm
Step aside for the B&W guru. ;)

Creature Unlockers: The Creature Unlockers work regardless of version, but you must be on a specific land in order to find the special NPC villager who offers the swap. These lands are 1, and 4. There used to be custom-built sandbox maps that offered this feature, but I can't currently find them. This page offers more detailed instructions: http://noctalis.com/dis/bw/download3.shtml


Ah, okay then.

Back to trying to make him bigger and stronger then, the gist of what I got was "carry rocks around for a while and then sleep in pen"

I assume the pen is the little fenced area infront of the temple gate.


Growing Your Creature: Four easy steps to fast growth:

1. Download this sandbox map: http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=150 (or any eternal-night map)
2. Enter this sandbox, find some blue mushrooms, feed him. Get his hunger down to nil, and fatness around 50%. You can feed him other things to fatten him up, but the mushrooms are special for fast growth.
3. Make him sleep in his pen, ideally at night. Night growth is 50% faster, IIRC. You can edit the sandbox level files (they are .txt) to be eternally night, but it's been so many years, I don't recall offhand exactly where those values are. Should be self-evident.
4. Speed up time and leave him there for a few RL hours. If your map is not eternally nighttime, he will keep waking up, so you will have to actively force him to sleep every time, which is annoying.


KONG Is Bad: Be wary of using Kong. It was the first-ever program created to 'hack' Creature Mindfiles, and has been known to cause problems. Instead, you might want to try Cache's excellent tweaks and utilities. Here is his CreatureStats app: http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=189


Casting Food On Self: It is possible to teach a creature to cast Food on himself. Whether he actually eats it is another matter, as he's likely to target something else nearby before the grain pile has 'settled' into a usable state.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 05, 2010, 01:36:10 pm
(New post so as not to confuse)

+1 to the GMT request. I may be up for a game tomorrow sometime, if I can get everything installed properly. Oh man... I wonder if I still have that floppy disk with my beloved wolf? <3


Edit: My floppy drive is dead. :(
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 05, 2010, 02:59:45 pm
Hey, better your floppy drive be dead than what happened to me. Stuck my flash drive with my creature that I spent months on... files are corrupt.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 03:13:38 pm
I can't start any earlier than 6:00 here, so maybe we could start at 9:00 PM here, 5:00 AM for you?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 05, 2010, 03:24:58 pm
That's pretty early, but I'll try to be there. :)
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alfie275 on June 05, 2010, 03:28:52 pm
Well, its 21:28 where I live now.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Itnetlolor on June 05, 2010, 03:40:20 pm
Oh man, one time I owned a pet cheetah, or tiger, or whatever was available as a starting creature.

Anyway, in maybe the 3rd or 4th level, my creature was still rather young and rather small, but I found a growth potion and he grew to colossal heights, of course, he also had to take a crap. For the sake of punmanship, "Holy Crap!!!".

Well, after taking his dump on a house and destroying it, a moment later he shrunk back to his original size, and his crap was nearly as large as he was. Just for the hell of it (or because my hand was getting a bit red), I gave him his own lump as a size comparison, ended up petting him (actually, I think it was by accident), and he ate it. >_< Surprisingly, his stomach handled it well.

Oh. My. Me.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 04:01:16 pm
Alright, so it's settled; 9:00 PM Pacific/ 5:00 AM GMT.
Exactly who can make it? What map do you want? And make sure you have some kind of creature or else you're doomed.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alfie275 on June 05, 2010, 04:06:15 pm
K, ill either be getting up early, or going to bed late. What patches needed?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 05, 2010, 04:19:53 pm
K, ill either be getting up early, or going to bed late. What patches needed?

I'd assume latest, which is 1.3 "Glove Patch" (no Creature Isle expansion please!). It can still be found on Lionhead's site. :) I don't believe the previous patches are required, but I'm about to find out if that's wrong. :D

(On a side note, I just spent entirely too long looking for my CD and key. :( I've had two copies of the game- first CD got snapped. Eventually found the other one, but then could not for the life of me find EITHER of the manuals! Gah. Dad likes to... "tidy" things away quite often...)
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 05, 2010, 06:07:52 pm
Welp, I've got everything except trying to make my creature only sleep in his pen. He'll go there more often than not, but he still likes sleeping all over the place it seems.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Akura on June 05, 2010, 07:13:45 pm
K, ill either be getting up early, or going to bed late. What patches needed?

I'd assume latest, which is 1.3 "Glove Patch" (no Creature Isle expansion please!). It can still be found on Lionhead's site. :) I don't believe the previous patches are required, but I'm about to find out if that's wrong. :D

(On a side note, I just spent entirely too long looking for my CD and key. :( I've had two copies of the game- first CD got snapped. Eventually found the other one, but then could not for the life of me find EITHER of the manuals! Gah. Dad likes to... "tidy" things away quite often...)

Manual's not on the disk? I thought it was. The tutorial is quite thorough enough, though. And there's always this (http://www.replacementdocs.com/download.php?view.341).
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Post by: Halfman on June 05, 2010, 07:58:46 pm
Any chance we could get a game going before the real game... I don't feel much like staying up real late tonight... EST and all.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 10:33:40 pm
I'm getting my end configured.
My IP is currently
75.208.74.173
And the port is
6012

Join whenever you're ready. We start the game in about 30 minutes.
Version 1.3 : Have a Creature

Ah, and go to join a "LAN" game, since Pheonix does some weird stuff... And note that your PC name becomes your player name for some reason.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 05, 2010, 10:36:52 pm
I will be joining... in 20 minutes or less. Also, my creature is now really, really big. I left my game running overnight on a skirmish map that is night. I went ahead and took him off of a leash and "disabled" the enemy god. When I woke up, all of my villages were fine (well, low population, but fine, no high desires that didn't even out) and my creature was giant and seems to be a full good horse... I don't know what full good horses look like so yeah.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 05, 2010, 10:45:54 pm
Don't use the 1.3 patch. You have to have the P5 glove just to get the game working.

As a side note does anyone besides me have the glove? I bought it a long time ago on Ebay

Edit : Its not letting me connect...  :-\
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 10:49:04 pm
Don't use the 1.3 patch. You have to have the P5 glove just to get the game working.

Yeah, I ended up downloading the DLL for that. I think 1.2 is compatible.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 05, 2010, 10:54:14 pm
Don't use the 1.3 patch. You have to have the P5 glove just to get the game working.

Yeah, I ended up downloading the DLL for that. I think 1.2 is compatible.

IT ISN'T COMPATIBLE! If we have 1.3, then everyone who wants to play has to have 1.3 as well. Just download the p5 glove DLL.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 11:00:21 pm
I will see if I can roll back to 1.2 quickly.
No, I'd have to re-install from scratch. Bah!

Well, least I can do is provide a link and instructions:
The DLL (http://www.dll-files.com/p5dll.zip?0VJhUHZLeS)
And just unzip that and cram it in Program Files\Lionhead Studios Ltd\Black & White\. Start it up and it'll work.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 05, 2010, 11:00:39 pm
lol and i just updated...
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 05, 2010, 11:02:45 pm
The P5 glove dll can be downloaded from dll-files. Works fine, was training a creature last night. http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?p5dll

Hey guys... I just woke up- especially for this, I might add. But I still need to install the server thing. Delay the start for me, please?

Also, I'm on 1.3. It will take less time to update than to reinstall the game... just sayin'... :)
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 05, 2010, 11:03:04 pm
Don't role back. The majority of those who play online using anything use 1.3. I have to have 1.3 because I play online with some other people via hamachi...
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 05, 2010, 11:04:52 pm
So we are using 1.3 then?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 11:06:51 pm
We are using 1.3. Again, the port is 6012 and the IP is 75.208.74.173.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 05, 2010, 11:08:16 pm
The files on BWPhoenix are giving me 404. Any mirrors?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 05, 2010, 11:09:52 pm
http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=970 <--- Client + Server.

Where did the guy who logged on go?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 05, 2010, 11:10:12 pm
I can't see you on the server list PTTG.

EDIT: Found jew.

EDIT2: 3/4 people, cmon people join!
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 05, 2010, 11:20:48 pm
:( Synchronize error... restart?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 05, 2010, 11:21:49 pm
yeah... what happened? Totally Anti-Climactic
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 05, 2010, 11:22:08 pm
Did everyone get the error?

EDIT: I saw your edit there... :p
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 06, 2010, 12:50:40 am
Well then even if I wanted to play with you guys I can't because for some reason 1.3 makes my game crash on startup.

And again yes I had the .dll

Stuck with 1.2 am I!
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 06, 2010, 12:52:49 am
Well that was... interesting. Game started, I took over the middle (its 4 corner eden), Moogie takes one of the 4 towns near the middle. Game progresses, eventually I have an outlying town, the middle, and 2 towns near the middle. Moogie has a town near the middle and an outlying town. Pttg has a town near the middle and an outlying town. Halfman had to go so he only had his starter village. PTTG and Moogie gang up on me, so i smite their villages near the middle. A power struggle occurs, and I get a couple extreme mega blasts on the towns they have near their temple. I then have to go.... I extreme mega blast my own temple. Ok, for those of you that don't know how powerful extreme mega blasts are, the damage was given to my towns. I had no buildings and lost many, many followers. Yeah. The only good thing that came from this: I am no longer 100% good. I don't blind myself when in my influence.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 06, 2010, 12:58:30 am
It was fun, if a little unblanaced. I'm up for another game, if anyone's hosting. :)

Though, might I suggest a small addition to the "rules", if we're operating under any? Refrain from exploiting the 'reaching' bug to cast miracles way outside your influence. On a map like 4v4, where the player owning the central village has virtually all of the map's firepower, it's a bit silly.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 06, 2010, 01:00:40 am
>.>

<.<

What reach bug? I used my influence....
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 06, 2010, 01:02:27 am
Well, it worked. We need better maps, though. This one had nearly no trees and no stones at all...

Yeah, Mono monopolized the game, really. Part of that was his abominable unicorn.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 06, 2010, 01:04:28 am
>.>

<.<

What reach bug? I used my influence....


Ah, sorry then. I saw you'd blasted PTTG's temple town and didn't see your influence anywhere nearby, but I might be mistaken.

Anyway, Kay's Place has lots of maps we could try. I'll take a look. Shall I go for 4v4 ones?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 06, 2010, 01:08:23 am
It was RIIIGHT on the edge of my out of influence casting abilities. Anyway, I don't think there are and 4v4 maps...
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 06, 2010, 01:22:39 am
"Kratzean Online Pack" sounds promising. There's 4 packs in total. Should be something decent we can use from that. I'll download them and take a look, after I get some breakfast. :)
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Post by: Mono124 on June 06, 2010, 01:30:44 am
It's 1:30 AM here... ugh.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 06, 2010, 01:58:53 am
Well this is annoying. I'm trying to host a game for myself to test the multiplayer maps, but nothing appears in the Lobby room, and I have no button to create a room. I've forwarded the required ports and I think I've done everything... what's missing?
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 06, 2010, 02:01:18 am
You can't use the online thing to host games without someone else to "join" you. Skirmish maps are different from multiplayer, and I don't quite know how to convert them.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 06, 2010, 02:05:42 am
You can't use the online thing to host games without someone else to "join" you. Skirmish maps are different from multiplayer, and I don't quite know how to convert them.

Oh, damn. Well in that case... would you like to grab the four packs here (http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?category=39) and I'll host a game for us to try them out? Or you can host; my 'net is acting a bit flakey today, I might drop you. :P
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 06, 2010, 03:52:06 am
The more I go on the more I realize my creature never feeds worshippers or villages or uses any miracles at all really, unless it's to copy me.

How do I beat it into his stubborn little head that my followers need to be taken care of without me doing every bit of it myself?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 06, 2010, 04:33:50 am
The more I go on the more I realize my creature never feeds worshippers or villages or uses any miracles at all really, unless it's to copy me.

How do I beat it into his stubborn little head that my followers need to be taken care of without me doing every bit of it myself?


It's a moulding process. Creatures cannot provide food for worshippers, but to get them to fill the store with wood and food, use the Learning leash and cast the miracle at the store yourself. Assuming he knows the miracles 100%, wait for him to copy, and praise him 10-20%. He should then immediately do it again, without being prompted (this is a good time to drop the Learning leash to encourage his independant action). Praise him a little bit again. Do this a couple more times; do not wait too long before praising, or his thoughts may switch to another subject. Also, don't do it too often. He should get the idea after a few tries. You don't want him to become fixed on the idea of casting this one miracle at this one building. The best time to praise is actually in the middle of his spell, interrupting him, to ensure you nab it.

Now, this won't mean he'll always stick close to home and do his duty. But you can force him to, by attaching him via the Compassion leash to your village store or totem. He will then make sure all their needs are filled. Careful, though, as he'll get tired and hungry pretty fast.

Give slight (10-20%) punishment if your Creature wants to play or "mess around" with your godly hand. Playfulness, whilst cute, occupies his attention and stops him from doing more important things, such as seeing to his needs or that of your villagers. You can play with your Creature, just don't encourage the behaviour.

Excessive punishment/reward can be detrimental to learning. Several lessons are learned simultaneously; for instance, praising your Creature for eating a cow when he is hungry is teaching him "I should eat when I'm hungry" and also "I should eat animals". With small doses of punishment and reward, you can refine this behaviour, for instance if he starts eating other things, like villagers, or eats when he is not hungry. If you praised him too much, his thoughts would become "I should eat lots of animals, all the time!"

Lastly, beware of excessive punishment for any action. Creatures can become irrationally fearful of almost any object. If he keeps doing something you don't agree with, punish him the first couple of times, but more importantly, find a positive behaviour to replace his desire. It can be frustrating teaching young Creatures who don't know many things yet, but as they learn and encounter more situations, their brains will be filled with far more "I can do this!" actions than "I know nothing else, so I'll do this" ones.

Hope that helps a bit.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 06, 2010, 10:58:36 am
Are we playing any games today?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 06, 2010, 01:35:29 pm
I'm up for another try. Sorry about last night. It was just too late to keep playing. Can we start sooner or something today? Also I would prefer a sandbox game where we can all train our creatures for a night. Then later we can have other games where we actually battle. It was so one sided with that damn unicorn nobody else had a chance :p
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 06, 2010, 01:49:40 pm
Well, I'm about to head to bed, but I could possibly stay up another couple of hours if there's a possibility of a game that soon?

Otherwise, I'll just go sleep and see what's going on when I get up. :P Today's failmatch totally was not worth waking up at 5am for, lol.
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Post by: Halfman on June 06, 2010, 02:01:20 pm
I agree. The game was sub-par. How about a game at 12pm EST tomorrow That should give the GMT ppl a couple hours and its not to early for PST... Let me know if nothing can happen today.
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Post by: Moogie on June 06, 2010, 02:06:48 pm
Would that be 8:00am GMT? I'm terrible with figuring out timezones.


Edit: No wait, that's back to front... 4:00PM GMT?
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Post by: Halfman on June 06, 2010, 02:32:28 pm
Should be 4pm GMT and 8 am PST.... I think...
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Post by: Mono124 on June 06, 2010, 09:27:03 pm
Ok...

ET: 12:00 PM

GMT: 4:00 PM

PST: 9:00 AM

CST: 11:00 AM
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Bluerobin on June 06, 2010, 09:55:39 pm
--Timezone kungfu--

Haha very nice.
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Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 01:13:21 am
Ahhhh, more than 3 hours sleep. :D

Okay, that's perfect for me. In the meantime I'm going to grow/train Bastion a bit more. He got an awesome scar across his nose yesterday. :D

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7549/bastionsfirstdefeat.th.jpg) (http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7549/bastionsfirstdefeat.jpg)
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Post by: Cajoes on June 07, 2010, 03:40:36 am
Aw, dat poor wittle puppy...

Yeah, I've noticed that for all its flair and glittery graphics, B&W2 is actually LESS than B&W1.

My blame is equally distributed between Peter for setting his goals too high, EA for pushing it out the door too soon, (like all the other crap they've produced lately, seriously, boycott now) and the development team, for not daring to stand up to the neolithic moneychewing dinosaur (which incidentially signs their paycheques, so yeah, not much can be done)
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Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 06:59:58 am
Ok, for anyone else joining the game that will happen today, in about 3 hours from now (times posted on previous page), could you please download the four Kratzean Online Packs found here: http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?category=39

Extract them to your /Online/ folder. Make sure to extract number 4 last, and overwrite files when asked. Then we'll have more than one (rubbish) map to play around in. Hopefully some of them are decent. :)


Also, I just found a great Creature Training guide. A worthy read for everyone, even experienced players, due to its sheer depth: http://www.wischik.com/lu/senses/bwcreature.html
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Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 10:03:37 am
It's time. Who's hosting?
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Post by: Halfman on June 07, 2010, 10:14:49 am
I don't know how... I figured pttg would be on by now...
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Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 10:16:14 am
Hrm... let's wait for him then. I could host, but my upload speed is abysmal. Even a 1v1 would lag like hell.
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Post by: Mono124 on June 07, 2010, 10:23:43 am
We... still have an hour.

EDIT: Well, half an hour. Are you sure it's 12:00 EST? 12:00 EST is 11:00 CT and it's 10:23 here... Unless I have my timezones messed up... time to google. Hopefully doing them from memory didn't kill us yesterday.]

EDIT2: It is currently 11:27AM (ish) EST so... half an hour. My kungfu was messed up?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 10:27:58 am
All I know for sure is that it's 4:27pm here, GMT.


Edit: Ok. :)
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Post by: Mono124 on June 07, 2010, 10:34:30 am
Are you in one of those places that changes timezones? That will fuck me up too... cause GMT doesn't have daylight savings and the time checker things that I googled say it is 3:30 there. If you change time zones though...

EDIT: Actually it said 3:30 not 4:30... I need to sleep.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 10:43:05 am
Yeah we get that. I never remember when it changes though. It hasn't changed recently.
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Post by: dragnar on June 07, 2010, 10:44:38 am
Aw, dat poor wittle puppy...

Yeah, I've noticed that for all its flair and glittery graphics, B&W2 is actually LESS than B&W1.

My blame is equally distributed between Peter for setting his goals too high, EA for pushing it out the door too soon, (like all the other crap they've produced lately, seriously, boycott now) and the development team, for not daring to stand up to the neolithic moneychewing dinosaur (which incidentially signs their paycheques, so yeah, not much can be done)
Yeah, if you look through the files in B&W2 there are a TON of creatures, buildings, miracles and epic miracles that were never finished. What was released was a half-finished game, pushed out solely to make money.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 07, 2010, 10:56:29 am
Is PTTG on yet?
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Post by: Halfman on June 07, 2010, 10:56:50 am
So we got the times all screwed up then... Another failed attempt to play or can anyone host?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 10:59:39 am
He's not on, but he was on about an hour ago, according to his profile.
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Post by: Mono124 on June 07, 2010, 11:04:11 am
Well... I can TRY but I don't know if it will work. How do I host?
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Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 11:12:02 am
Start the Lobby app and click Start Server. You need ports 6012 and 2612 forwarded to be able to host. Then give us your external IP address and port number (default is 6012, if you change it, you need to change that port forwarding as well).

That's where my knowledge ends. I don't know if you also need to load up the Client app. I've never hosted before, and my attempts to host a game for own use failed because I have no idea how to actually make a room.

IF you do, you probably need to configure it with your IP/port details, then click Start B&W.
IF not, try just loading up B&W as normal and going to the LAN lobby.

You might not see anything until one of us arrives and joins. I'unno.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 07, 2010, 11:16:47 am
Ah well thats the problem. I don't have access to forward my ports and only 2612 is forwarded. If anyone has hamachi we can play but you will need to join my network and use my hamachi IP to join pheonix...

EDIT: It appears that I have to join my own server using the Client. Also, B&W Multiplayer works really weird. Basicly, you cannot "create" a room. Everyone that is in your lan (real of virtual) shows up in a list with NAME(NUMBER). The number denotes how many players are in a room with them. One means only them, 2 means them and someone else, etc. A room only occurs when, lets say, URIST(1) clicks join on URISTMCFARMER(1). Thats when you get the screen that shows the 4 gods available and you can choose maps. URIST's name is removed from the list and URISTMCFARMER's name is now URISTMCFARMER(2).
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Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 11:19:38 am
I'll just wait for PGGT. :P
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Post by: Mono124 on June 07, 2010, 11:28:53 am
So... anyway, a better representation is more like this. You have set up your lan or used pheonix and all four players are in the lan list. We will name them players 1, 2, 3, and 4 (real original huh?).

Player 1 sees this:

Player 2(1)
Player 3(1)
Player 4(1)

Player 2 sees this:

Player 1(1)
Player 3(1)
Player 4(1)

Player 3 sees this:

Player 1(1)
Player 2(1)
Player 4(1)

Player 4 sees this:

Player 1(1)
Player 2(1)
Player 3(1)

Ok, now lets assume Player 1 is the one that is supposed to be hosting... so Player 2 joins his game. Player 1 and Player 2 are on the screen that lets you choose what side you want to be on and what map you want to play. Player 3 and Player 4 are still on the lan list, and...

Player 3 sees:

Player 1(2)
Player 4(1)

Player 4 sees:

Player 1(2)
Player 3(1)

They both join Player 1 and now the lan list (from an observers view) would show:

Player 1(4)

They then start the game after picking sides and all of the sudden.... SYNCHRONIZATION ERROR OH NOES!! What does this mean? It means that you are not in sync with the game OR another player is not in sync with the game. So... you may have just megablast extremed their temple, but on THEIR side nothing has happened. Most of the time with a sync error everyone leaves and remakes the game.

EDIT: I am going to CCleaner my computer and wipe my free harddrive space so I won't be able to check the forums for a bit so....\

EDIT2: PTTG is MIA?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 07, 2010, 03:48:31 pm
Haven't head from him...  :'(
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Post by: Moogie on June 07, 2010, 04:14:54 pm
Probably not very easy to set up these games on weekdays. We can wait 'til Friday, or if we all just happen to be around at the same time, but that's unlikely.

Also, we need more players. Specifically, ones that can host. :P
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 07, 2010, 05:11:10 pm
I'm at work all week... and part of the weekend. Yeah, we need someone in some other timezones who can host.
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Post by: Halfman on June 07, 2010, 09:36:03 pm
I played B&W for more than 14 hours today... WTF is wrong with me?
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Post by: Lumbajak on June 07, 2010, 09:53:03 pm
The only thing wrong with that is that you could've been playing Dwarf Fortress instead.
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Post by: Moogie on June 08, 2010, 04:21:44 am
While waiting to meet his friends again, Bastion has been steadily growing and learning.

Yesterday I created an 8-bit colour tattoo of a castle tower to make him more recognisable online:

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7589/bastiongrowingup.th.jpg) (http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7589/bastiongrowingup.jpg)

He's been getting into more fights lately. He started off good, but he seems to be thinking about his actions more now. He's too hesitant, moves around a lot. But with some more training he should get back on track. Long-legged Creatures such as the wolf do best when they are aggressive.

He's also getting the hang of distinguishing between my property/villagers, neutral ones, and enemy towns. Around my influence he is a gentle giant, eager to please. But he'll occasionally wander off and try to impress the neutrals. If he finds himself in enemy territory, he conjures up lightning storms and eats the villagers. :D
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Post by: Robsoie on June 08, 2010, 08:00:18 am
Never having played with it, i have read that B&W1 features a skirmish mode with the CPU.
As the fun in strategy solo skirmish is very dependant on how well the CPU is coded, is it enjoyable, or is the CPU too dumb to be fun to play with ?
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Post by: Moogie on June 08, 2010, 08:27:47 am
Never having played with it, i have read that B&W1 features a skirmish mode with the CPU.
As the fun in strategy solo skirmish is very dependant on how well the CPU is coded, is it enjoyable, or is the CPU too dumb to be fun to play with ?

Honestly I have to say no. CPU gods in B&W1 aren't very aggressive. They also cheat; grabbing trees from your side of the map, even when their influence is nowhere near big enough to legitimately do so.

They generally take over towns closest to their temple first, keeping their creature leashed to village centres doing mundane things. Eventually they will expand towards you and try taking your villages too, with the help of their creature.

If your creature nears their villages, the god will hurl rocks, trees, fireballs and thunder at you. It'll also leash its creature to you, to provoke creature battles. And yes, they are stupid enough to throw fireballs and cast thunder when you are standing in the middle of their village, which usually results in them wiping out their own population.

This is why people prefer to play B&W online. :)
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Post by: Robsoie on June 08, 2010, 08:30:38 am
Thanks for the answer.
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Post by: Mono124 on June 08, 2010, 11:30:30 am
Never having played with it, i have read that B&W1 features a skirmish mode with the CPU.
As the fun in strategy solo skirmish is very dependant on how well the CPU is coded, is it enjoyable, or is the CPU too dumb to be fun to play with ?

And yes, they are stupid enough to throw fireballs and cast thunder when you are standing in the middle of their village, which usually results in them wiping out their own population.

This is why people prefer to play B&W online. :)

I do that sometimes... I zoom in though so it only targets the creature (a large portion of the time... I'd assume 9/10 of the time)
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Post by: Moogie on June 08, 2010, 11:58:22 am
But I bet you're not still firing at that spot 10 seconds after the threat has left. :)
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Post by: Kagus on June 08, 2010, 12:01:49 pm
So...  Would that make lightning nine tenths of the law?


Okay, so that was a lame joke.  Has anyone found a real use for the "forest" spell?  Generally I'll just cast it and then rip up all the trees except for the spell's "anchor", then grab the seed and shove it back into my altar for a refund.  Slightly more complicated than the wood spell, but it can be used in a pinch.  I can't remember how it works in regards to how much mana you get back for an "incomplete" spell.

I also found that you can grow saplings off the trees you get from it.  Just cast water on them a few times and they should go to seed.  Then you can grow and maintain your very own little forest of the neat-looking trees it pops up.


Also, does anyone else here just love snow?  I don't know what it is about snow, but I can't get enough of it.  There's way too little of that winter wonderland available for you in the vanilla game...  I love how the villagers would sit around and get completely covered in the stuff, turning them into walking snowmen.

Damn... I feel like pulling it out again.  It's been a very long time.
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 08, 2010, 12:17:46 pm
I'll have to try that forest spell seedling trick. I think it's basically a flashier wood spell that's good for impressing people.
 
My impression of black and white is that it experimented with a lot of things, which is generally good, but they did poor work culling out the bad ideas. For instance, putting all the menus in the temple; that never should have gotten past the design stage.
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Post by: Kagus on June 08, 2010, 12:35:04 pm
I'll have to try that forest spell seedling trick. I think it's basically a flashier wood spell that's good for impressing people.

It's also very expensive, and requires upkeep on top of that.  Yes, casting it will result in some pretty massive belief scores, but I'd just as soon go for the infinitely cheaper flock o' flying critters (which is so awesome that it shoots out bats instead of doves if you're an evil god).

I remember one time I was playing on the second island, and was really just dicking around and growing the home village rather than progressing anywhere.  After a while I had a huge population of norsemen, and I decided to build a wonder (thank you, friendly neighbor, for not reacting while I steal all your scaffolding!  Heck, you stole my trees to make them, I figure I should get something back!).

Yeah.  You know how wonder size is affected by the population of the village it's built in?  Well, this thing was frikkin' huge.  It was a gargantuan stavkirke by the seaside, and it took several forests worth of trees to build it (thank you, tapping trick!), not to mention a very significant amount of labor.

I can't even remember what the Norse wonder does.  I just remember that it was really really cool once I'd finished it.


Has anyone else had difficulty "staying" a particular alignment?  I'd usually try to shoot for one particular alignment and then do everything necessary to get there, but I'd often find myself getting a bit unhappy with all the lopsidedness.

If I played a good god, I would eventually be filled to bursting with the urge to just annihilate something, but I couldn't do that or I'd erase all the good deeds I'd done recently.  As an evil god, I would eventually take pity on my poor followers and be inclined to help the poor saps out a bit...  Again, couldn't do that.

It was for this reason that I really, really liked the gods playground.  Sure, it was supposed to be a little "refresher tutorial" that you could go to should you ever forget how to move, but it also had a little village of natives and a number of one-shot spells that you could toy with.

Hoo boy...  They were pampered by evil gods and utterly crushed by the good ones.  The dark, scabby red hand of pure evil would gently guide the villagers on a path towards construction and advancement, aiding their small village as it grew into a thriving town.  Whereas the shining white hand of a benevolent god would TEAR IT ALL TO PIECES AND BURN IT!   HAAHAHAHAHA!

When I was finished, I would just exit the god's playground and continue on as though nothing had happened.


I was a very, very deeply disturbed god...


So, who likes bears?
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Post by: Akura on June 08, 2010, 12:43:05 pm
Norse wonder increases the amounts you get from Food, Wood, and Water miracles. It also comes with an awesome god-voice going "NORSE POWER!!" every time you cast them.
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Post by: Moogie on June 08, 2010, 12:57:56 pm
Re: the alignment thing, I usually end up hoverring at neutral-evil. I do a lot of good things for my villagers, but there's a few innocuous actions that count as evil, such as ripping up trees, or 'stealing' resources from the village store. Even if I'm trying to be fully good, it's difficult to progress if you don't have food/wood miracles and need to rely on ripping up forests and sacrificing cows.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kagus on June 08, 2010, 01:03:02 pm
Ah yeah, I remember the NORSE POWER...   Heh, good times.

Still though, it's a bit disappointing when you're only using it to water your plants.  Which was the only thing I needed it for, as the village was bursting at the seams as far as food was concerned, and I didn't exactly need to build another wonder, so wood wasn't an issue either.

...

Actually, I probably should have done that.  Just keep using the benefits from multiple Norse wonders to build more Norse wonders.  It would have been gloriously stupid.

Re: the alignment thing, I usually end up hoverring at neutral-evil. I do a lot of good things for my villagers, but there's a few innocuous actions that count as evil, such as ripping up trees, or 'stealing' resources from the village store. Even if I'm trying to be fully good, it's difficult to progress if you don't have food/wood miracles and need to rely on ripping up forests and sacrificing cows.

I think that ripping up a tree is counteracted by the goodness inherent in providing the wood for someone (at least, that's the case if they're begging for wood).  Of course, I didn't even know that ripping up a tree was an evil act...

It's mostly the quick games of villager-catch I play with my creature that result in my alignment dropping.  I can't understand why.

Speaking of which, is it actually possible to train your creature to play catch more often?  I remember doing it once or twice with a ball, and it was awesome.  He actually nabbed it out of the air.  Can't remember if he tossed it back or not...


Also, you know how creatures will draw a spiral in the air when they're casting an upgraded miracle?  Try tossing a tree at them while they're in the middle of it.  Great fun.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 08, 2010, 01:32:07 pm
You can train your creature to catch an enemy's fireballs and then immediately throw them back.

Good times.
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Post by: alexwazer on June 08, 2010, 02:12:52 pm
Actually, I probably should have done that.  Just keep using the benefits from multiple Norse wonders to build more Norse wonders.  It would have been gloriously stupid.

Been there, done that. It reached the point where, in a single cast, I was creating something close to 200,000 wood. Totally pointless of course, but still fun. That was on the second land and when I finished the map, I sent so much freaking wood in the vortex that the game crashed on the next map.


As for the alignment, I usually play good all the way... and eventually starts a second profile to wreck the world. Except there is a few 'evil' things I simply cannot avoid (or can't be bothered with the alternative). For example, the quest in the second land where a villager offer his first born son as a sacrifice: I ALWAYS sacrifice the wife instead and then the man himself.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kagus on June 08, 2010, 03:07:59 pm
Wow...  That's disturbingly evil.  Not quite as evil as one of the things you can do on the first island, but still...

I mean, sure, it takes a lot of trees, but it's not that hard to handle it in a benevolent fashion!
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 08, 2010, 04:04:13 pm
Bastion plays catch with rocks and trees very well, but I can't for the life of me get him to catch a fireball. The problem is, as soon as I cast it, he points and ":O!" at it, as if to say "Oh my god, you just cast a SPELL! AMAZING!" but then he's too busy being awed to actually pay attention and catch the feiry ball of death I just hurled at him. Not sure if it was because I was using miracle bubbles... should I try on a map where I can charge the spell energy myself?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 08, 2010, 04:19:05 pm
Bastion plays catch with rocks and trees very well, but I can't for the life of me get him to catch a fireball. The problem is, as soon as I cast it, he points and ":O!" at it, as if to say "Oh my god, you just cast a SPELL! AMAZING!" but then he's too busy being awed to actually pay attention and catch the feiry ball of death I just hurled at him. Not sure if it was because I was using miracle bubbles... should I try on a map where I can charge the spell energy myself?

Sigged.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kagus on June 08, 2010, 04:45:28 pm
Try casting the spell then grabbing the ball yourself.  Once he's gotten over the shock and awe of watching an everyday event, you can try tossing the fireball back at him.

Of course, this might count as another casting, in which case he'll get paralyzed with amazement yet again.


I think I tried teaching my creature how to cast a shield spell...  Can't remember how that worked out.

you know what I really like about shield spells?  Maps that have environmental hazards.  Like the third island, where you need to save your creature...  Every now and then, a small electrical storm will form over your town and powerful bolts of lightning will slam into the cliffside.

On my first playing of that map, I was unfortunate enough to place a hut directly beneath the targeted zapping zone.  After an era of flames, death, and fear of weather, I eventually managed to get enough power to place a small spiritual shield on the location, one that I could sustain indefinitely with my prayer support.  After that, it was just a pretty display of fireworks whenever the storm came, as the shield would deflect the bolts and keep the incredibly unfortunate family safe from more harm.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 08, 2010, 05:08:06 pm
When I was experimenting with fireball bubbles it was impossible to catch them, so I haven't tried that yet. I need to try on a map with a village that actually gives me the spell at the worship site. Bubbles are strange; they don't always seem to work as I'd expect. I found that I couldn't use them to teach a specific action; my creature would either get the wrong idea, or just gawk like an idiot.

Shield spells are awesome if you have the energy to sustain them. It's fun knocking them down, too. I find the noise a bouncing rock makes against the physical shield absolutely glorious. :D
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 08, 2010, 06:26:48 pm
Ok... we need a game schedule. If we actually get one set up I will put it on the first post.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Akura on June 08, 2010, 07:07:12 pm
Shield spells are awesome if you have the energy to sustain them. It's fun knocking them down, too. I find the noise a bouncing rock makes against the physical shield absolutely glorious. :D

The downside is that if you smash an opponent's shield, it only reinforces the village's belief in him(it is protecting them, after all).
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Post by: Halfman on June 08, 2010, 10:59:51 pm
Fridays or Saturdays anyone?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 09, 2010, 05:06:08 am
That will depend on the time, for me. I can't do AM (GMT) on Fridays. I think Saturdays would give everyone the most flexibility, but I don't really mind which day as long as it's not a Friday morning.


I just tried catching fireballs again, but for some reason the game won't let me. I'm using worship-charged ones this time, and have tried everything, even slowing the game down. I'm not missing, it's just that the hand stays open and does not even attempt to grab the fireball, like any other un-grabbable object. I know it's possible, and I've done it countless times in the past... so why can't I catch them anymore? All my tries have been done in skirmish mode, btw.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 09, 2010, 10:15:36 pm
I was just catching fireballs today on land 4. IDK why you wouldn't be able to... Maybe you can't catch ones that you cast yourself?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kagus on June 10, 2010, 12:40:58 am
I've done it on a number of occasions, to get the most burn for my buck.  I hate it when a perfectly good fireball hooks to the one side and does a dirt nap instead of hitting that granary I was aiming for, so I might as well just pick up the sucker and try again.

Then again, it's been a long time since I played... I might be remembering things incorrectly.


Man, there are few things more entertaining than tossing a pile of poisoned food into a bustling enemy village...  Seeing people turn green, walk around clutching their stomachs as they bring the stuff back to their storehouse and unwittingly contaminate the whole dang food supply...  Then watching as the idiot computer tries desperately to figure out what the hell just happened, going so far as to leash his creature to the village center to provide a sort of healthcare service by healing all the nearby villagers.  Then, once everyone is so sick they can't work the fields, the AI goes to the kindness of topping off their supply via food miracles.

It's so easy, I almost feel bad for doing it.  But then the AI does something irritating, like zooming into my face and shouting "I AM ZOLTHNAR. THIS IS MY HOUSE" at me and then stealing all my lumber, and suddenly I don't feel bad any more.  Would you care for some more toadstool dressing with your fish?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 04:42:50 am
Shall we start figuring out details for a few games tomorrow? I'll be available at pretty much any time. Is anyone able to host?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 11, 2010, 10:27:45 am
I'm free all day. So whenever you guys want to play I'm down for it.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 10:37:42 am
Oh man I remember this game. I haven't played in a long time.

Hell I don't even know where my disk is, but great game. Wish I could join you guys.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 10:46:33 am
Oh man I remember this game. I haven't played in a long time.

Hell I don't even know where my disk is, but great game. Wish I could join you guys.

There's still time to dig it out... :3 We can help you set everything up if you don't feel like reading the past 14 pages for clues, heh.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 10:55:19 am
Oh man I remember this game. I haven't played in a long time.

Hell I don't even know where my disk is, but great game. Wish I could join you guys.

There's still time to dig it out... :3 We can help you set everything up if you don't feel like reading the past 14 pages for clues, heh.
I seriously doubt I even still have the game, I haven't even seen it in years. Good memories. Is there anywhere online that offers it cheap as a download?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 11, 2010, 11:41:48 am
Yarrr, there be not, me matie. It be time to grab ye cutlass and pillage yon server! ARRRRR!
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 11:43:42 am
Yarrr, there be not, me matie. It be time to grab ye cutlass and pillage yon server! ARRRRR!
Would a game acquired in such a way work in multiplayer?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 11:50:59 am
Yarrr, there be not, me matie. It be time to grab ye cutlass and pillage yon server! ARRRRR!
Would a game acquired in such a way work in multiplayer?


PM'd
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 11:53:41 am
Yarrr, there be not, me matie. It be time to grab ye cutlass and pillage yon server! ARRRRR!
Would a game acquired in such a way work in multiplayer?


PM'd
Well I shall acquire the game by some means then which I will not mention here because tis bad et al.

Now someone mentioned walking me through setup so I would not have to read 14 pages of thread. I would appreciate the time saved in such an event.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 12:08:33 pm
I has it. That was fast.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 12:12:06 pm
I shall do my best to oblige.

Firstly, your game should be patched to 1.3 ("Glove patch"). Previous patches not required. This also requires grabbing the P5dll.dll to work correctly, since technically it was meant to be used with that gimmicky modern version of the Nintendo Powerglove, except nobody ever did.

Patch 1.3: http://lionhead.com/Games/BW/Downloads.aspx
P5dll.dll: http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?p5dll (scroll down a bit, "Free Download" box)


(Old info; current plan is to use 1.2. P5dll.dll not needed in this case)

Now you need the Phoenix app to emulate a LAN server and allow us all to see eachother and join the same room.

BWPhoenix: http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=970
Extract both the Lobby and Client files + everything else into your B&W folder.


Next we'll run through setting up the client, but first you need to be able to forward/open port 6012 and make sure any firewalls give permission to traffic through there. If you don't have access to your router or can't do that for some other reason, you may as well stop reading here.

Run the Client exe. There's spaces to enter your host's IP and port (which he should've kept as 6012, otherwise he's a pain in the butt). Then all you'd need to do from there is click "Connect" and then "Start B&W". Last time we played, PGGT was the host and he gave us his IP, but for now we'll just have to wait and see who is going to host this time.

Hmm... did I miss anything...?


Edit: And yes indeed, that was blindingly fast. I'm keeping my eye on you as a potential host... :P
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 11, 2010, 12:16:21 pm
...PGGT was the host and he gave us his IP...

Close but no cigar...
 
Yeah, that's everything. To actually host, just sit in the LAN lobby until someone joins you.
 
I may play, but I can't promise to host.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 12:19:28 pm
Kay I did all that.

Actually the step that took the longest was figuring out which fucking link was the 'real' one to download the DLL. I had everything else done.

So... now what.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 12:29:02 pm
I'd suggest grabbing a Creature and starting to train him, if you've got any time for it. Kaysplace also has some helpful Skirmish Mode sandbox maps suited for this, like Kilroy's Training Grounds, which has every single miracle handily lined up on super-recharging bubble dispensers... and growth maps, like Extreme Night, or the nighttime version of Kilroy's.

As a quick FYI, the fastest way to grow your creature is keeping him 50% fat and sleeping in his temple pen during nighttime. You can reward him a few times 10-20% whenever he sleeps there, and eventually you can just leave the game running and he'll mostly just sleep through it.


Also, lolduur @ me. Mono was the host. I r smrt!
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 12:30:15 pm
NEGATIVE GHOST WRITER

the game does not run on windows 7 64-bit.

I get to various points before crashing to desktop.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 12:31:29 pm
Does this help? http://cowgod.net/2009/11/07/play-black-white-on-windows-7/
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 12:56:24 pm
Soooo...

It didn't work. I deleted it all and reinstalled and patched up to 1.2 and grabbed a 1.2 uh... helper file that lets me play without my TOTALLY LEGIT CD THAT I LEFT IN MY TROUSERS.

That works fine.

I have copied the working installation and will now patch up to 1.3 and see what's what with a 1.3 helper file.

Cans 1.2's play with 1.3's?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 01:01:43 pm
Yeah so either its the 1.3 patch or the 1.3 'helper file' that is crashing me. 1.2 plays just fine.

Edit: Tried new helper file.

No luck.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 01:10:42 pm
Short answer... no.

The only difference between the two patches is that dll, really. Unless there's a different version of it out there that'll play nicely with your system... I'm not sure what to suggest.

I'd be willing to reinstall to get 1.2 if needed. Not sure about everyone else, but we have plenty of time, and it'll be more fun with a maxxed out room.


Edit: Oh, and I forgot something. Since B&W only comes with a single 4-player online map, I've suggested that everyone grabs the four Kratzean Map Packs listed here: http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?category=39 - unzip all to your B&W/Online/ folder, do the 4th one last and overwrite files when asked.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 01:14:36 pm
Well if the only thing in the 1.3 patch is the stupid glove do you guys mind using 1.2?

It works fine.

Not sure why 1.3 kicks back, but it does every time. It gets to the loading screen and the drops with an error.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 01:20:46 pm
Yeah, that's fine by me at least. The reason I've always gone for 1.3 is because I'm a version number addict. Gotta have all my games at the very latest update. I don't know whether I'm secretly hoping that 1.3 contains some hidden extra code fixes, or what. All I remember is that we waited years for any patches at all to come out, and when they finally did, it was like offering seawater to someone dying of dehydration; they'll drink it regardless.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 01:24:24 pm
I forgot how ANNOYING the starting level is.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 01:26:57 pm
Yup. Nice bit of nostalgia though if you haven't seen it in a few years. :) I thought so, at least.

I believe the 1.2 patch adds a "Skip Tutorial" menu when you start a new game, but only after you've already started the game on another profile.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 01:28:12 pm
By the way, if you regedit hack your way to widescreen resolutions this game looks GLORIOUSLY bad in 1920x1080.

And I don't mind hosting if you want me to. I have a decent connection.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alfie275 on June 11, 2010, 01:31:33 pm
I can play, DLing 1.2 now. Though my creature is really little.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 01:32:24 pm
I can play, DLing 1.2 now. Though my creature is really little.
Yeah well, I don't even HAVE one yet.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 01:46:57 pm
Frustrating. I cannot edit the keybindings... but I think I know why.

Edit: Well I was wrong, I have no idea why. When I change the keybinds they don't change.

Edit2: HERP DERP figured it out. Forgot how old this was, Program Files is now a protected folder so it couldn't write to any files there. Moved it out of there and works fine.

Gonna test 1.3 with it out of there.

Nope. Doesn't work still.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 11, 2010, 02:10:00 pm
Reinstalling from Torrent. I paid for this game and I'm not paying for it again, even if I can't find my CD.

Sooner or later I'll figure out how to not get stuck somewhere in world 3 to 5.....
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 02:10:47 pm
We playing this or not?

Cause I'm gettin sleepy.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 02:31:08 pm
We're playing tomorrow, forsaken. :) Hence me saying "we have plenty of time" to sort everything out.

I've reinstalled and patched to 1.2. Bastion has lost all of his scars as a result. :( Oh well. He looks oddly... clean, now.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 02:32:07 pm
I apologize, and will rectify the situation with lightning when I meet you upon the field of battle.

Also I will probably spend most of the game playing with rocks.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alfie275 on June 11, 2010, 02:39:07 pm
Is being small advantagous in any way?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 02:43:00 pm
Is being small advantagous in any way?
You... uh... you're harder to hit?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 02:57:30 pm
Smaller creatures are definitely harder to spot in online matches. There's more disadvantages to them, though, like a much lower fatigue threshold when casting Miracles, and much shorter reach with them, too.

It would be nice to start off tomorrow with some friendly meet-ups, then we can decide on some proper matches later.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 03:07:38 pm
I'm telling you, no matter what we agree to if I start playing this I will spend half the time flinging trees and rocks around.

I always get distracted.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alfie275 on June 11, 2010, 03:08:50 pm
nvm
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 03:23:45 pm
I don't think so. It's possible that 1.0 saves aren't compatible with 1.2 saves, though.

If that's the case, just backup your creaturemind and other misc profile stuff, start a new game in 1.2, give yourself the same profile name as before, and then as soon as the game gives you mouse control, exit. Then copy your backed-up stuff back into the Profiles folder to overwrite it. Obviously, do not replace the actual savegame files, as that would defeat the purpose. That way you can at least keep your Creature, plus any custom tattoos you had installed.

I'd have to ask, though, why on earth you were playing B&W unpatched. :P It has some seriously bad flaws in 1.0, worst of which occur on Land 3 and Land 5 and can break your Creature.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 11, 2010, 03:58:51 pm
So... why aren't we using 1.3?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 04:00:31 pm
So... why aren't we using 1.3?
The real question is why are you using 1.3..?

Also I'm hoping we're using 1.2 because 1.3 doesn't work on my system. Not sure why.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 11, 2010, 04:01:24 pm
I am using 1.3 because the hamachi network games I play require you to have 1.3...
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 04:05:56 pm
I am using 1.3 because the hamachi network games I play require you to have 1.3...
Good reason I guess. 1.3 doesn't add anything to the game, and apparently doesn't work on Win7 64-bit (or at least not on mine) so I can't use it. :(

Not that I'm missing anything.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Apple Master on June 11, 2010, 04:09:28 pm
So, what version are we using, what timish, and via what? (Hamachi etc)
Either post details or PM me them.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alfie275 on June 11, 2010, 05:50:35 pm
Lol:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 11, 2010, 06:50:09 pm
Well I have already reinstalled to 1.2 since that's the only way forsaken can play with us. But if in the meantime he finds a way to get 1.3 working, it's a quick and simple upgrade.

@Apple Master: Some details have been posted already, see page 15. No times set yet; I'll leave that up to whoever wants to host.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 11, 2010, 11:16:16 pm
Well I have already reinstalled to 1.2 since that's the only way forsaken can play with us. But if in the meantime he finds a way to get 1.3 working, it's a quick and simple upgrade.

@Apple Master: Some details have been posted already, see page 15. No times set yet; I'll leave that up to whoever wants to host.
I will mess with it some more today and see if I can figure out how to get 1.3 working correctly. I would hate for you all to miss out on the powerglove feature.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 12:22:41 am
I actually own the powerglove.... Is that weird that I bought it for B&W?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 12:55:46 am
I actually own the powerglove.... Is that weird that I bought it for B&W?
Does it... work? Do you like it?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 08:42:17 am
I'm here, I'll be around pretty much all day/night, so if a host wants to post their preferred times, that would be helpful. :]
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 09:49:08 am
I'll be here most of the day too.

The powerglove is a little laggy. I think i became to comfortable using the mouse for it to be useful. Also you have to have your arm lifted in the air the entire time you are using in so it can make you tired of playing games fairly quick.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kilowatt on June 12, 2010, 11:27:38 am
I'm actually quite curious. I've played the second one- how does it compare to the first?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: NEOPhyte on June 12, 2010, 11:50:30 am
I'm actually quite curious. I've played the second one- how does it compare to the first?
Strangely. Mouse buttons are inverted (leftclick moves, rightclick interacts), villages only serve to provide miracles (which there is more of) and expand your influence ring (which is based on the non-homeless population of a village and their belief in you), you need to use scaffolding made from a workshop to place buildings, and other generally strange things.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 11:53:02 am
The second one has no soul. It feels lifeless; the AI is even dumber than before (which is a horrifying sight to see) and the Creatures became automatons, mere tools to be dragged around on the leash all day, having no spontaneous ideas of their own, no unique personalities, no behaviours that serve their own needs and desires- just yours. Sidequests became a grindfest of "Create 20 Disciples" or "Build 20 Houses", as opposed to the first game where they actually made some sense in context. B&W1 is the opposite of all these things. Even the islands felt smaller in the sequel; they probably weren't, but they were still boring, empty landmasses. Ugh, I could rant about it all day. It was the big pre-Spore disappointment of the gaming world, IMO. :P
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 11:56:58 am
Though you have to admit, even the first game fell far short of the mark. You don't even feel like a god, just some big powerful helper entity that does quests.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: NEOPhyte on June 12, 2010, 11:58:10 am
Sidequests became a grindfest of "Create 20 Disciples" or "Build 20 Houses", as opposed to the first game where they actually made some sense in context.
Pretty sure those were just "hey you can get tribute for doing shit" things, there's still the Silver Scroll sidequests.

:edit: and yeah, B&W1 does feel a bit bland as well. Wonder what you'd get if you combined the two games, taking the better parts of each? Would be nice to not have to use scaffolding to make fields.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 12, 2010, 12:19:13 pm
I'm actually quite curious. I've played the second one- how does it compare to the first?

Well... in the second, you have armies, less miracles, less creature interaction, more town building interaction, and migration. I haven't really played the second in depth, but I have played it for a couple days before I "upgraded" my computer and it wouldn't play it any more due to a graphics problem of the game.

Basically, first game:

(spoilered due to possible spoilerish content)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sidequests became a grindfest of "Create 20 Disciples" or "Build 20 Houses", as opposed to the first game where they actually made some sense in context.
Pretty sure those were just "hey you can get tribute for doing shit" things, there's still the Silver Scroll sidequests.

:edit: and yeah, B&W1 does feel a bit bland as well. Wonder what you'd get if you combined the two games, taking the better parts of each? Would be nice to not have to use scaffolding to make fields.

If you took the better parts of each game and combined them, I have a feeling that the universe would explode. Well, actually, take multi player, the creature, miracles, and quests from the first game. Combine them with the ease of city building, armies, impressiveness, and epic miracles from the second game. I smell win.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: NEOPhyte on June 12, 2010, 12:25:15 pm
Sidequests became a grindfest of "Create 20 Disciples" or "Build 20 Houses", as opposed to the first game where they actually made some sense in context.
Pretty sure those were just "hey you can get tribute for doing shit" things, there's still the Silver Scroll sidequests.

:edit: and yeah, B&W1 does feel a bit bland as well. Wonder what you'd get if you combined the two games, taking the better parts of each? Would be nice to not have to use scaffolding to make fields.

If you took the better parts of each game and combined them, I have a feeling that the universe would explode. Well, actually, take multi player, the creature, miracles, and quests from the first game. Combine them with the ease of city building, armies, impressiveness, and epic miracles from the second game. I smell win.
Honestly, I'm half tempted to say keep the belief from the first game, force the gods to actually have to go out and mingle in order to win. Impressiveness should certainly still feature somehow though.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 12:30:37 pm
still don't know when we are playing?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 01:03:09 pm
Are Mono or PGGT around? The only other person who said they might be able to host is forsaken. I can dig up the post I made about that earlier, if needed.

Edit: This page (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=58478.180) talks about how to host.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:08:12 pm
I don't mind trying to host. I have something to do in about 2.5 hours but we could at the very least try it out and mess around in the game.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 01:18:06 pm
I'm down. Set it up and send us the IP address
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:20:06 pm
What exactly do I do? Set up the lobby and give you the IP? That's it?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 01:25:21 pm
Yup, and have that other port forwarded. I forget which, but it's in my post at the linked page.

Edit: I think once you've set it up, just sit in the LAN lobby area (ingame) and wait. You won't see anything until we join you.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:28:12 pm
I sent you two my IP
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 01:31:37 pm
Awesome. :) Let's see if this works then. Sod's law that I tried uninstalling something unrelated a few minutes ago and it's taking bloody forever to finish now. That's going to lag me like crazy.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:36:06 pm
I see one connection. Now what?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 01:37:31 pm
wait for me. have to patch real quick
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:38:09 pm
wait for me. have to patch real quick
To 1.2 right?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 01:39:14 pm
I've connected to you but I'm not seeing you in the LAN lobby area. You should have the game running at this point, and be at the screen that says "Join an existing game". There's no "Create Room" button and you won't see anybody else there (I don't think), but I should be able to see your name and be able to join you.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:40:48 pm
I've connected to you but I'm not seeing you in the LAN lobby area. You should have the game running at this point, and be at the screen that says "Join an existing game". There's no "Create Room" button and you won't see anybody else there (I don't think), but I should be able to see your name and be able to join you.
I'm at the "Find a game on your local network" screen with an empty box. How does one actually host the game? All I see is join existing game.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 01:42:11 pm
From what I understand, you don't need to do anything else at this point. We are supposed to see your name (YOU won't see your name, or ours) in that list, and join you. I've never hosted before, so this is what I was told by other people earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:43:15 pm
Okay well I just restarted and I am now sitting at that screen. >.>
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 01:44:59 pm
Try this. Start the Client (keep the Lobby running too) and join your own server. Enter your external IP in there, make sure the tickbox "Enable Hosting" is ticked in the Advanced tab. This might be what we're missing here.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 01:55:17 pm
My game was freezing up 10-20 seconds at a time. By the time I typed anything it was already redundant -- I definitely cannot host a room. Don't join my name in the list. :P I had to ctrl+alt+del because everything was just stuck dead.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:57:18 pm
My game was freezing up 10-20 seconds at a time. By the time I typed anything it was already redundant -- I definitely cannot host a room. Don't join my name in the list. :P I had to ctrl+alt+del because everything was just stuck dead.
Apparently I am not showing up as joinable?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 01:57:32 pm
there is no way to say Create Room? Its just off the list?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 01:58:48 pm
You need to have "Enable hosting" ticked in your Client, forsaken.

If you already have, then I have no idea. The only reason I was showing up as joinable is because I accidentally had that ticked myself.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 01:59:25 pm
You need to have "Enable hosting" ticked in your Client, forsaken.

If you already have, then I have no idea. The only reason I was showing up as joinable is because I accidentally had that ticked myself.
I have it clicked.

Wait I just noticed the "Override Server Allocated External IP" option, what should be there?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 01:59:34 pm
Does forsaken have the right ports forwarded?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:00:42 pm
Does forsaken have the right ports forwarded?
I have no firewall up, so that is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:01:43 pm
You need to have "Enable hosting" ticked in your Client, forsaken.

If you already have, then I have no idea. The only reason I was showing up as joinable is because I accidentally had that ticked myself.
I have it clicked.

Wait I just noticed the "Override Server Allocated External IP" option, what should be there?

That's only if you're using two PCs to join the same game on the same router, IIRC.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:02:23 pm
You need to have "Enable hosting" ticked in your Client, forsaken.

If you already have, then I have no idea. The only reason I was showing up as joinable is because I accidentally had that ticked myself.
I have it clicked.

Wait I just noticed the "Override Server Allocated External IP" option, what should be there?

That's only if you're using two PCs to join the same game on the same router, IIRC.
So I turned that off, it was on by default. Am I showing up now?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:03:18 pm
You'll have to restart the server for any changes like that to apply, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:03:50 pm
ok dropping and restarting.

Edit: Sorry had to drop it again. Up now tho, see if I show up.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:05:45 pm
Are you sure there's absolutely no security active on your router at all?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:06:23 pm
Are you sure there's absolutely no security active on your router at all?
Yes, I am pretty sure. I will check though.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:07:39 pm
Also remember to reconnect your client after you restarted the lobby. :)

If this doesn't work... I throw my hands up. I got nuthin'.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:09:21 pm
I am connected and my router's firewall is entirely bypassed. Dunno what else to tell ya.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: alfie275 on June 12, 2010, 02:09:48 pm
Even if you have router firewall off you MUST forward the ports, otherwise it does not know where to send inbound traffic on that port.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:10:51 pm
One last thing we could try, if one of you hosted the phoenix lobby but I hosted the game itself.

Even if you have router firewall off you MUST forward the ports, otherwise it does not know where to send inbound traffic on that port.
Even if I'm on the DMZ? It was my understanding that this bypassed the firewall completely.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:12:08 pm
Well, I just tried pinging the IP and get 100% timeouts.

I would not like to see what a 3-player game hosted by me looks like. My upstream is capped at appaulingly low speeds.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:13:31 pm
Puzzling... you are connected ON that port, you should be able to ping the IP fine.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 02:14:02 pm
I'm pretty sure that you have to forward ports anyway...
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:14:38 pm
*Shrugs* I don't know what to say. :(

Could Halfman host, then?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:15:57 pm
I'm pretty sure that you have to forward ports anyway...
http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/port-forwarding-dmz.asp

forwarding the port in the router is pointless when I am on the DMZ, because the router's firewall is not used. The fact that they can connect to the phoenix lobby shows the port isn't being blocked.

*Shrugs* I don't know what to say. :(

Could Halfman host, then?
Sorry. Where are the instructions for the port forwarding? I will put it in on the off chance that it will do something, but... eh. At this point you aren't even hitting my firewall when you try to connect.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:18:21 pm
It's different for every router, as I understand it. On mine, I go to the toolbox under Firewall options and do "assign a game or application to this device", then go through a little UI wizard to enter the port ranges.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 02:19:30 pm
http://portforward.com/

That should have just about everything....
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:28:52 pm
ok which ports do I forward for black and white?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 02:29:42 pm
6012 at least...
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:29:52 pm
6012 and 2612
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:35:03 pm
6012 and 2612
So this is confusing. Now that I have those two set as forwarded ports, I cannot connect to my own phoenix lobby.

Heh I'm an idiot, fixed it. Okay, try me now. same IP
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:37:31 pm
I'm not getting a connection now either, so it's not just you. x)


Mmmmmnope... still nothing.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 02:38:15 pm
same here....
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:38:55 pm
I'm not getting a connection now either, so it's not just you. x)


Mmmmmnope... still nothing.
Oh, duh. Mousing over the 'enable hosting' option says you need to forward 6014 for the game, not 6012. 6012 is for the phoenix lobby. x.x
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:39:57 pm
Oh... wait, so 6012, 6014 AND the other one need to be open?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:41:24 pm
Hmph, apparently my IP changed according to whatismyip.com

96.255.87.34

Edit: Try it now, server is up.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 02:42:35 pm
So should we try again?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:42:52 pm
WAIT! I connected!

I mean yes, go go! :D Let's see if this works now.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:43:19 pm
So should we try again?
Yeah go for it with the new IP 96.255.87.34 I guess the router reboots made my ISP change it.

WAIT! I connected!
Yay!
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 02:45:28 pm
I'm not seeing a game.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:45:42 pm
Me either. ;_;
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:46:13 pm
So nothing actually changed. x.x

I can try adding 6012 to the list of ports too and see.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:46:42 pm
Worth a try.

This sort of situation is so frustrating, don't you think? xD Being so close, yet everything you try just fails... Oh, the woes of networking.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:48:23 pm
okay try me now

wait, the fucking game has me in the tutorial again. fuuuu
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:50:40 pm
ok should be ready try now
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 02:51:12 pm
roflmao what did you do?

Edit: Still nothing
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:52:34 pm
roflmao what did you do?
Hehe, just loaded the game again and it gave me the option of skipping everything but I misclicked and it started the tutorial.

Honestly I don't think any of this has changed anything, port forwarding does NOTHING if I'm already on the DMZ.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:53:38 pm
Still nothing.


Ok... well, if you guys are willing to try, I'll see if I can host instead. But I'm warning you now, even if it does work, it's probably going to be very laggy.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 02:54:28 pm
Still nothing.


Ok... well, if you guys are willing to try, I'll see if I can host instead. But I'm warning you now, even if it does work, it's probably going to be very laggy.
Well I can't now, its 4pm and I have to get ready for dinner. Going out.

We can work on this some more later.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 02:55:30 pm
worth a shot. its better than nothing
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 02:55:58 pm
K. Thanks, you did your best. :) Shame we couldn't get it going.

Halfman, if you still want to try, IP's 94.193.178.95.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 12, 2010, 03:01:19 pm
I can't see you Moogie.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 03:33:13 pm
It worked. We played. It was awesome. try again later with more people? That was fun.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 12, 2010, 03:36:13 pm
God I hate Tutorial Island.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 03:37:24 pm
That would be the worst part of this game. But its totally worth it once you get past that.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 12, 2010, 03:37:52 pm
How about 20 minutes?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 03:44:09 pm
I dunno. I found out that reinstalling my game somehow fucked up Bastion.


Fixed! Turns out I had to change the creaturemind filename in the registry. Phew. I got him back, scars and all. :) *Hugs the big dopey doggy*
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 03:51:35 pm
Congrats. So play again later?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 03:58:06 pm
Congrats. So play again later?

Aye, I'd like that. :) Anyone else who wants to join (Mono?) should let us know beforehand; sorry I didn't see you before mate, I would've waited for you to join.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 12, 2010, 03:58:39 pm
We are using 1.2? Damn, have to use the unpatcher.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 03:59:46 pm
You could keep two copies of the game, perhaps. It's not very large.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 12, 2010, 04:00:39 pm
Actually.... Done. I'm at 1.2 now. Took 1 minute.

So when are you hosting Moogie?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 04:05:40 pm
If you're still around, Halfman, we could try another game now?

Although, I highly doubt fixing my Creature fixed whatever the horrendous freeze-lag I experience in the Lobby is. So I may have to just pick a map ASAP and forget about adjusting the time limit again.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 04:09:02 pm
sounds good. boot it up.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 04:09:18 pm
Ok. See you there, hopefully. :)
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 12, 2010, 04:09:23 pm
If you can see my name (Andy) join it. I'll be back in about 5 minutes though... I normally don't lag too bad.

Never mind.

EDIT: What the FUCK is happening? I keep getting runblack.exe errors.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 04:13:53 pm
No idea, I've never tried the unpatcher.

Oh god, the lag even affects me whilst alt+tabbed... mouse... so... unresponsive...letters...taking...somuch time...to write...!
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 04:15:15 pm
That would mean your computer can't handle it. Not your internet connection.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 12, 2010, 04:16:47 pm
Want to go back to the lobby and see if you can connect to me?

EDIT: Could not connect to remote machine.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 04:19:40 pm
That would mean your computer can't handle it. Not your internet connection.

Heh, even my old computer could handle it; my current Alienware is more than capable. :P I do think it's a network lag issue though, even if it seems to be graphical in nature. With one of you connected, the lag was... ehh, workable. With two connected however, I was waiting 2-3 minutes for the screen to unfreeze for one second, before it froze up again. Does not happen during any other time, normal gameplay, skirmishes, etc.

Sorry guys, I can't host like this.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 12, 2010, 04:20:46 pm
:'(
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Kagus on June 12, 2010, 04:24:01 pm
:'(

Isn't there some chat program y'all could be using?  Like Hamachi?  The past two-three pages have been a bit heavily populated with posts that aren't really moving the thread anywhere.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 12, 2010, 04:26:30 pm
:'(

Isn't there some chat program y'all could be using?  Like Hamachi?  The past two-three pages have been a bit heavily populated with posts that aren't really moving the thread anywhere.

The OP doesn't seem to mind :P, but I see your point. No, I don't have Hamachi. At least this way passing people might see we're trying to set up a game, and join in. Otherwise, it's just the three of us.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 12, 2010, 10:36:18 pm
:'(

Isn't there some chat program y'all could be using?  Like Hamachi?  The past two-three pages have been a bit heavily populated with posts that aren't really moving the thread anywhere.
Its not like we're wasting paper or something.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 12, 2010, 11:53:54 pm
Ok. Got one game today. Will have to try again another day.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Ochita on June 12, 2010, 11:57:06 pm
You guys (and girls) Made me pull ou my old copy of black & white and I'm now installing
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Halfman on June 13, 2010, 09:12:32 am
I love how this thing just keeps growing... Join the Black and White Horde... Resistance is futile.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 13, 2010, 09:48:23 am
I want to again remind everyone with interest in playing online, to go here: http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?category=39

...And download the four Kratzean Map Packs. Unzip to your /Online/ folder, in the correct order so that you can overwrite files when asked. If done correctly, there should be a textfile in there called localmaps.txt with 31 entries, as opposed to just 3.

This is because B&W comes with only one online map for each amount of players (two, three and four players) and so this should introduce a little diversity in the landscapes we can play about in.
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 12:53:02 pm
Well, I changed the front page... and I need links.... and you need to vote on your creature.

I need:

Pheonix lobby and client download link
A good black and white creature backer-uper (for lack of a better term)
Confirmation on ports 6012 and 6014 needing to be opened for pheonix hosting
Any steps I missed

EDIT: And..... I need game times. We need to set up some games people. Are we going to be playing on fridays, saturdays and sundays with a few exception games in between? Who will be hosting? What is your IP? Does it change a lot? I NEED ANSWERS!!
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 13, 2010, 01:30:43 pm
Game today anyone?
Title: Re: Black and White: NO MR. APE DON'T MEGA BLAST MY TEMPL- bzzzzzzt.
Post by: Moogie on June 13, 2010, 02:01:04 pm
Well, I changed the front page... and I need links.... and you need to vote on your creature.

I need:

Pheonix lobby and client download link
A good black and white creature backer-uper (for lack of a better term)
Confirmation on ports 6012 and 6014 needing to be opened for pheonix hosting
Any steps I missed

EDIT: And..... I need game times. We need to set up some games people. Are we going to be playing on fridays, saturdays and sundays with a few exception games in between? Who will be hosting? What is your IP? Does it change a lot? I NEED ANSWERS!!


Phoenix Lobby/Client: http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=970
BWBackup: http://www.kayssplace.com/files/index.php?display=197

Ports required-
For connecting to a game (as a client): 6012
For hosting a server and connecting to it: 6012, 6014 and 2612
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 02:16:18 pm
Game today anyone?

Sure... if someone can host. Around.... 11:30 PM GMT?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Nolor on June 13, 2010, 02:20:55 pm
Is there a way to skip the first island or at least the tutorials? I'd play, but early game is so long and boring I'd likely lose interest. B&W isn't fun until you can build stuff, really.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Kagus on June 13, 2010, 02:33:05 pm
"Ohh, we've got this notion
that we'd quite like to sail the ocean
so we've built us a big ship
to leave here for good.

We're not keen on sinkin',
so we're all sittin' here a-thinking,
cause we've built it too big
and we've run out of wood!

Eidle eidle-ee, eidle eidle-ee..."


You can't tell me the tutorial island doesn't have anything good on it.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 13, 2010, 02:34:28 pm
"Ohh, we've got this notion
that we'd quite like to sail the ocean
so we've built us a big ship
to leave here for good.

We're not keen on sinkin',
so we're all sittin' here a-thinking,
cause we've built it too big
and we've run out of wood!

Eidle eidle-ee, eidle eidle-ee..."


You can't tell me the tutorial island doesn't have anything good on it.
I really really can tell you that.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Apple Master on June 13, 2010, 02:40:28 pm
That song made me laugh.
Too much. And it's catchy.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Moogie on June 13, 2010, 03:01:48 pm
Is there a way to skip the first island or at least the tutorials? I'd play, but early game is so long and boring I'd likely lose interest. B&W isn't fun until you can build stuff, really.

It doesn't take too long to get your Creature, and as soon as he's in your pen, that's as far as you need to go.

The only way to skip the tutorial is if you already have a pre-existing Profile. I could perhaps try sending you mine, and then you can see if you can start a new game and skip it that way?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Nolor on June 13, 2010, 03:43:18 pm
I can probably find a profile on the internet somewhere -- if that's all I need to skip the tutorials, I'll probably be ready to play in a little bit. Or not, depending on how the search for my B&W CD goes.

Edit: Found it! 11:30 GMT -> an hour and ~12 minutes from now. Is anyone up for a game?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 13, 2010, 04:07:38 pm
Who has a fast enough internet speed to host anyway?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: alfie275 on June 13, 2010, 04:12:00 pm
Okay, I completed land 3 but my creature won't learn at all, and he says in his cave that I pay no attention to him!
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 04:44:09 pm
Actually 11:30 is about a 1 hour and 45 minutes from now...

Okay, I completed land 3 but my creature won't learn at all, and he says in his cave that I pay no attention to him!

Thats because while he was imprisoned it counts as you not paying attention to him. You should have backed your creature up...
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: alfie275 on June 13, 2010, 05:15:45 pm
Oh, I have a save from before then, would that help?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 05:23:21 pm
Nope. If you load the save, your creature will be the same. Black and White saves your creature, your actual game progress, and if you are good or evil separate.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Moogie on June 13, 2010, 05:33:05 pm
Your Creature not learning is different to whether or not you've "paid attention" to him. The latter is really just a count of how many frames your Creature has been on-screen over a certain amount of time; all you'd need to do is focus on him for an hour or two in a sped-up nighttime map, and he'll say "my master has paid lots of attention to me!"

When you say he's "not learning", what exactly do you mean?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 05:40:41 pm
Ok... do we know who is going to be hosting?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Nolor on June 13, 2010, 05:43:55 pm
Actually 11:30 is about a 1 hour and 45 minutes from now...
Daylight Savings Time is the bane of my existence.

Anyway, I rushed through the tutorial and immediately remembered why I stopped playing B&W. Those advisors are quite possibly the most annoying video game characters I know of. I guess I'm probably one of the few people who enjoyed the sequel more; if only because the basic interface stuff (skipping cutscenes!) ages better.

I might hop on and play some multiplayer, but my creature's less than an hour old and hence has been taught very little.

I'd host; I don't have much trouble with ports and the like for the most part, but my connection isn't terribly fast. B&W doesn't seem like a particularly network-intensive game though, but even so I'd rather someone else host if at all possible.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 05:48:55 pm
Well... I can't host because even though my ports are open it just doesn't let me... but uh... I don't know.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Nolor on June 13, 2010, 06:01:07 pm
At least, I think I can host -- could someone try connecting to me with Phoenix? My IP's 142.177.70.44
My ports should be open.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 06:10:34 pm
Negatory Captain Nolor
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Glacies on June 13, 2010, 06:11:21 pm
Wasn't there a rhinoceros creature, too? I remember there being one, and I had it, and it looked really sweet cos' it was evil.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 06:12:25 pm
Aye, but the poll is about starter creatures. I put the horse and the unlock-able creatures up there because you can switch them out immediately after the tutorial on land 1.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Nolor on June 13, 2010, 06:26:55 pm
That's strange; usually I can host just fine. Well, regardless, we need to find another host. Any volunteers?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Miggy on June 13, 2010, 06:29:55 pm
Aww, Black and white. One of my all-time favourite games!  :P

I lost my copy of B&W1, though, so I can't play it anymore. Sucks too, because I totally would.

My favourite starting creature was the ape. Simple, really: The ape learns faster, and once it's learnt how to behave and every miracle in the book, I'll just switch it to a lion or something. Not that I'd need to once it's learnt megablast anyways.

B&W2 was a much more different game than B&W1. B&W1 was fun, B&W2 was interesting. I spent most of my time in B&W2 simply expanding my town's infrastructure to the point where it was self-reliant. This was an impossible feat in B&W1, but in B&W2 it was actually doable, although it took a lot of production-stacking. Even though I always played like a good god, I still unlocked the production-spikes and skyscrapers, since they were invaluable in my town construction. If you built enough spikes around a field and the mill next to the field, and if you simply had enough loiteres about, the villagers would actually harvest and grow food themselves!

But otherwise B&W2 was just too easy. Sure, I'll just barbeque your invaders while I continue to build mansions, oh evil and terrible god. ::)
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: NEOPhyte on June 13, 2010, 06:50:53 pm
They're reasonably self-sufficient in B&W1 if you let them. The trick seems to be that getting Food/Offspring to 0% is futile, so just let them balance out so they're roughly 100% if you add them together. 1 field per 10 people, don't use disciples, they'll just upset the balance.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: nenjin on June 13, 2010, 07:00:33 pm
I revisited B&W after this thread.

I'm not quite so "**** B&W" but my problems are still there.

Figuring out how creature psychology works made a big difference. It's not the kind of thing you would have known on a first play through though, and since your creature is 50% of the game...that wasn't planned the best on their part.

And as was mentioned, the city mechanics are pretty screwed up. Cities can't survive indefinitely in B&W, eventually people die off and they HAVE to breed, which means they always require some micro.

I still couldn't muster the desire to play past the third island. And when villagers started harvesting wood that I'd painstakingly placed around my temple for effect....I totally gave up.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 13, 2010, 08:34:35 pm
So no game tonight I guess? Maybe tomorrow... :'(
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: quinnr on June 13, 2010, 08:37:56 pm
Are you all playing on B&W 1 or 2?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Nolor on June 13, 2010, 08:42:24 pm
B&W2 doesn't have multiplayer, I don't think.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 13, 2010, 08:44:17 pm
B&W1... What else? B&W2 isn't nearly as much fun.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: quinnr on June 13, 2010, 08:44:38 pm
And how do you expect me to know that :P
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 13, 2010, 08:47:51 pm
Because of the overwhelming awesome surrounding B&W1 and the very much lack of the same thing surrounding the sequel.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 08:48:51 pm
Also... 10 points if anyone guesses where my avatar comes from. Be specific as well...
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: quinnr on June 13, 2010, 08:49:54 pm
Also... 10 points if anyone guesses where my avatar comes from. Be specific as well...
...SPORE! :P
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 08:50:52 pm
Negatory.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 13, 2010, 08:53:00 pm
The begining scene of B&W when you are summoned as a god?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 13, 2010, 09:25:29 pm
The begining scene of B&W when you are summoned as a god?

DING DING WE AVE A WINNAR.... well... colors are a bit different but yeah.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Moogie on June 14, 2010, 08:42:15 am
The begining scene of B&W when you are summoned as a god?

DING DING WE AVE A WINNAR.... well... colors are a bit different but yeah.

Heh, I was looking at that last night, recognized it instantly :) I love that intro!
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 14, 2010, 06:54:49 pm
So... next game time?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 14, 2010, 11:28:12 pm
Two major problems for me.

First, I can't change the resolution; there's no in-game option and I can't find anything suitable in regedit either despite being told that was the way to do it.

Second, it has begun to (on startup) lock itself in a black screen until I End Process it blindly.

I'm on Vista, running it in compatibility mode for Windows 2000.

Edit: It also seems to make Explorer crash.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Akura on June 15, 2010, 08:26:54 am
Should be a Setup.exe in the folder, which has a resolution option. Can't help you with the freezing.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 15, 2010, 08:34:35 am
I run into the freezing, but only when I alt + Tab the game. And not even all the time then. That's a weird problem. Unfortunately the game is so old there isn't much support for it anymore.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Moogie on June 15, 2010, 08:54:31 am
I've read that for 32-bit Vista, you don't even need to use compatability options, but that could be wrong (still clinging desperately to XP, myself).

To solve most issues, you should install the game somewhere other than Program Files (C:\Games\Black&White will do, or whatever you want). Then you should run Setup, and choose Custom graphics options instead of picking from the dropdown list.

For a boost in speed and stability, copy the Audio folder from your B&W disc to your installation dir/. (Works best with a nocd patch)

Extra protip: After a fresh installation, do not run the game immediately; apply the 1.2 patch first and then run Setup as previously noted.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 15, 2010, 09:54:50 am
I want to play...
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Frash on June 15, 2010, 10:06:56 am
Seems like a good few people are having problems, so I guess I'll post mine.
Firstly, I love this game. I palyed it non-stop for about two years. I wasn't very good, and I never finished it, but I still loved it.
Eventually, I got bored of it, and it's been sitting on a shelf for a couple years.
Anyway, on to the problem.
I install the game. I go to run it. I make a profile, watch a loading screen, and then that cut-scene starts. But it starts at about 6 FPS. The audio's fine, but the video's laggy as hell. I quit, and see if I can fix anything. Nothing seems to work; patching has no effect, numerous reinstalls... Nothing. To top it off, the Setup doesn't seem to save my changes, and I can't use the ingame options menu to check if it's the graphics menu; they don't show up. If I got it working, I'd love to join in with you guys.
Some system specs, 'cause they're always needed, I've got Windows 7 32-bit, and an OK graphics card, it's definately capeable of running this. There's tons of free space, and nothing else I can think of. Hope you guys can help, it's really driving me nuts.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Ochita on June 15, 2010, 10:39:26 am
I had a really FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-- Moment when somehow my temple was being hurt by fire. At the start of the 2nd island Everything died
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Akura on June 15, 2010, 11:01:30 am
You probably threw something into the portal that was on fire, or was set on fire as it was going through. Remember, Nemesis drops a storm(at least level 2 storm) on you, which sets a lot of your buildings on fire.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: NEOPhyte on June 15, 2010, 11:12:25 am
I had something like that on island 4, my temple got hit with a fireball during the little cutscene bit when the fireballs stop raining from the sky. Rather irritating, considering I'd had three spiritual shields up blocking the damn things for the entire level prior to that, then suddenly one decides to visit my temple as they stop.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 15, 2010, 11:12:40 am
I had a really FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-- Moment when somehow my temple was being hurt by fire. At the start of the 2nd island Everything died

This is the reason I start a new game after the first 2 creature tutorials and choose the "Use your old creature" button. The vortex is open and no storms! Do the boat quest and any other you want, throw miracles, food, wood, and villagers in, and enjoy.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 15, 2010, 08:27:52 pm
Patch fails - possibly related to my crack, since (as stated) I have no idea where my CD is....


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand still not working despite setup.exe use.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Moogie on June 15, 2010, 08:43:16 pm
Patch fails - possibly related to my crack, since (as stated) I have no idea where my CD is....


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand still not working despite setup.exe use.


Why are you cracking before patching.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 15, 2010, 09:59:20 pm
'Cause I wasn't planning on multiplayaring.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Moogie on June 16, 2010, 10:24:42 am
Multiplayer has no bearing on the order in which you should install the game. :) A crack is no good if you overwrite it with a patch. Cracking must be done last, because the crack must be the .exe from which you run the game. Try that, see if it works. Any errors, post them here and we'll try to help. ^-^
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 16, 2010, 12:20:28 pm
I don't see the issue with cracking before installing a patch I had no intention of installing at the time.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: dragnar on June 16, 2010, 12:29:04 pm
Well, apart from the issues with cracking in general, there is none. But after updating you'll have to re-crack it or else it gets overwritten.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Halfman on June 16, 2010, 10:01:41 pm
So who if anybody can host? I have a really low upload. Less than 200mbits/s otherwise I would.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 16, 2010, 11:21:44 pm
I have a whopping 10mbits/s download speed so... no.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 17, 2010, 12:18:32 am
Reinstalled, patched, cracked

Now first whenever I saved the save would disappear the second I left my temple.

I moved it out of Program Files and now it crashes after the first Tip of the Loadscreen finishes.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Moogie on June 17, 2010, 11:03:05 am
Reinstalled, patched, cracked

Now first whenever I saved the save would disappear the second I left my temple.

I moved it out of Program Files and now it crashes after the first Tip of the Loadscreen finishes.


If you moved the folder, rather than reinstalling outside of Progra~1, that's probably the issue. :( You could try and do some regediting to correct the paths, but I have no idea whether this will suffice.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Ochita on June 17, 2010, 11:06:39 am
Oh retried land. No rock of fire. I now assume that my creature used lightning bolt extreme (LV. 3) on my temple. Cue Slapping to death
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 18, 2010, 02:14:13 am
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

Got it to work at last, played through level 1-

Oh, no, my creature is dead but not respawning due to a misfire in my attempt to kill Sleg with lightning.

*New game, same creature*

"Oh hey, Portal's open." *Gets lightning dispenser, throws a few in, does the ship scroll and moves on* "Hi there Khazar."
*Plays through Land 2*
"Okay, I think I've done everything. Even converted all of Khazar's villages. I'll just take Lethys's last village and..."

lh has stopped working

(http://media.photobucket.com/image/raeg/denton_unatco/internets_use_only/raeg2.png)
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Shadowgandor on June 18, 2010, 05:35:18 am

Oh, no, my creature is dead but not respawning due to a misfire in my attempt to kill Sleg with lightning.


Huh? I've never heard of that bug before. It should come back at your temple =/ Have you installed the 1.2 patch?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 19, 2010, 10:35:41 pm
Yup. No help there.

I got the idea to restart with same creature from a thread about the problem.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Mono124 on June 23, 2010, 03:41:46 pm
Are we ever going to actually get a multi-player game schedule or should I just lock the thread and be done with it?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: PTTG?? on June 23, 2010, 04:47:00 pm
Oh, be nice. I've been really busy. I probably won't be able to play this weekend, or next weekend come to think of it, or the one after that, but maybe the one after that.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Helmaroc on June 23, 2010, 07:35:48 pm
This may have already been asked, but I'm on the first island, so I have to move my creature pretty far to get to the giant guide lion. When guiding my creature with the leash, when I'm nearly there he often lies down, removing the leash, and then spawns back at the temple. This is extremely frustrating because it takes forever to actually get him to go somewhere. What is the problem?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: NEOPhyte on June 23, 2010, 07:37:39 pm
This may have already been asked, but I'm on the first island, so I have to move my creature pretty far to get to the giant guide lion. When guiding my creature with the leash, when I'm nearly there he often lies down, removing the leash, and then spawns back at the temple. This is extremely frustrating because it takes forever to actually get him to go somewhere. What is the problem?
Is his hunger hitting 100%? He sorta dies if that happens.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Helmaroc on June 23, 2010, 07:43:45 pm
This may have already been asked, but I'm on the first island, so I have to move my creature pretty far to get to the giant guide lion. When guiding my creature with the leash, when I'm nearly there he often lies down, removing the leash, and then spawns back at the temple. This is extremely frustrating because it takes forever to actually get him to go somewhere. What is the problem?
Is his hunger hitting 100%? He sorta dies if that happens.
Oh, possibly...yeah that was it.

Also, what is this whispery "deeeaathh" voice I hear?
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Akura on June 23, 2010, 09:31:17 pm
This may have already been asked, but I'm on the first island, so I have to move my creature pretty far to get to the giant guide lion. When guiding my creature with the leash, when I'm nearly there he often lies down, removing the leash, and then spawns back at the temple. This is extremely frustrating because it takes forever to actually get him to go somewhere. What is the problem?
Is his hunger hitting 100%? He sorta dies if that happens.
Oh, possibly...yeah that was it.

Also, what is this whispery "deeeaathh" voice I hear?

One of your worshippers have died. One of the patches, I forget which, turns it off for those who die of old age, meaning if you hear it, then something's killing them. Not good.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Helmaroc on June 23, 2010, 11:29:12 pm
Thanks. I actually figured it out myself shortly after asking. Another question, what seems to be the fastest way to increase belief in a hostile god's town? Fire, lightning, healing, filling stockpiles, or just flinging shit over their heads...I can't seem to figure out what dictates the amount of belief given for a particular action.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: PTTG?? on June 23, 2010, 11:36:01 pm
Thanks. I actually figured it out myself shortly after asking. Another question, what seems to be the fastest way to increase belief in a hostile god's town? Fire, lightning, healing, filling stockpiles, or just flinging shit over their heads...I can't seem to figure out what dictates the amount of belief given for a particular action.

People get bored really easily. See one giant, flaming rock, glowing with the belief of a hundred  worshipers over countless years, hurled at several times the speed of sound by a giant glowing hand, crash through your house, creche, farms, workshop, and come to rest in your wood stockpile, setting it on fire, seen 'em all.

Gotta mix it up.
Title: Re: Black and White: Now with a tutorial isla- err... front page tutorial! (WIP)
Post by: Kagus on June 24, 2010, 01:16:38 am
Artifacts do push out some pretty serious belief vibes, and if you happen to like decorating your temple and villages (like I do), you'll probably end up with a few of them lying around without your even knowing.  I actually had the creature's toy ball turn into a religious artifact once.

Lightning is pretty good for hostile takeovers, as you can cause a flash of belief with a single split-second casting of it.  It does minimal damage, while still giving the full belief package of an entire casting.  Fireballs are easier though, since you can fling them outside your influence.  Also, take note that villagers just need to see giant things flying overhead, they don't need to get hit by them.  It helps keep a few people around for when you finally do take over the place.

Flock of Flying Creatures provides an enormous punch for its cost, and has actually led to a couple towns being converted by a single casting over a crowd of people (more people who see it, more belief generated.  Try to target large clusters).  The Forest miracle also gives some pretty fancy belief scores (and you only need to make the initial casting, just pull the plug once it's finished so you don't have to pay upkeep), the basic Storm is another crowd pleaser (not to mention the fact that it affects a very large area), and a powered-up Healing spell can give some massive belief scores...  The first time you cast it.  After that, nobody really cares.

Disciples don't give much, but it's a steady trickle.  Plop a few down and focus on another target.  They'll either take it for you while you aren't looking, or they'll soften it up for when you do shift your godly gaze over at them.  Filling the stockpiles is generally only worth it if they have a HUGE need, and if it's a miracle casting for that extra one-two punch.

Like TGGP?? said, mix it up.  Once you've done something, the belief value returned for that action drops straight down.  They will eventually forget and be just as amazed by it some time later down the line, but right after a casting?  You'd be lucky to get half the original return.  A combination of Flock, Storm, Lightning and then Healing can net you some pretty damn huge belief scores...  Provided you can pull it off.

Apparently, schizophrenic gods are more believable.  Who would'a thunk it?
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Post by: Halfman on June 24, 2010, 01:26:19 am
Any chance of an online game this weekend? Anyone able to host?
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Post by: Pandarsenic on June 24, 2010, 01:28:22 am
You need to vary it, but I like to go in this order:
One rock over the village to get their attention. "Eyes to the skies, peasants, shit's about to get real."
One FLOCK OF BIRDFACES (One of the best belief-harvesting miracles). This makes a good starter, and usually gets you a ton of belief to start you off.
One Artifact tossed over the village. Another big starter. Make sure to recover it.
One of each resource spell. Usually not too good but better than having to do the last step and/or come back later.
One healing, one of each shield (cast then recall), one forest (cast then recall). These are our final heavy-hitting belief-generating miracles.
One fireball above them (not into them, it's pointless to kill a bunch of them and make them start mourning). Semifinal step.
One storm, their final warning. Leave it running during the next step if you have to do the next step.
One lightning flash. Things under the storm are best because they'll be harmed but extinguished.
Water miracle for anyone you set on fire who lasts long enough for it to recognize your gesture. If you have a Miracle Packager (5 or 6 scaffolds?) you can keep the water miracle on hand for right after you cast it
Heal the people who are heavily damaged survivors of that last attack. They've earned it.
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Post by: forsaken1111 on June 24, 2010, 01:33:29 am
Wow.. I just exterminated each town and moved my own people in then set all of the initial population to breeders and gave them a bunch of food.
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Post by: Pandarsenic on June 24, 2010, 01:48:14 am
Too much micromanaging and rebuilding for me to like that answer. :I
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Post by: forsaken1111 on June 24, 2010, 05:43:08 am
Too much micromanaging and rebuilding for me to like that answer. :I
Wiping them out and dropping your own people in is too much micro, but you're willing to go through that list you just posted?

Okay..?
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Post by: Kagus on June 24, 2010, 01:49:28 pm
I don't really see the point in hurling artifacts over their heads.  Artifacts give a major belief boost if they come to a full stop within the town's limits, but not while they're flying overhead.  Then it's essentially just a glorified rock.

I try to hurl them into the town (if it's outside my influence) so that they come to rest right in the middle of all the action.  Then you've got a bunch of people to witness the full glory of The Shiny Stone doing its thing.  Watch it some time, just toss an artifact into a town...  You'll get a standard whoosh of belief from having the large objects fly over their heads, but then once it stops and "settles" you'll see a much larger rush of belief just pop up.


Oh, and if you want to have your cake and eat it too...  Cast a shield miracle over them and then attack it.  They'll be impressed by your display of wrath, and also by the fact that you're protecting them from such godly retribution.


And yes, wiping them out and dropping in your own people is too much micro.  With that list of miracles you can immediately bring over a town of 100+ people, and they're all ready and willing to serve you.  Getting that many people through breeders will either mean a huge stock of breeders (which also means a heavy population hit to your other towns), or a very long time spent doing nothing but woo-hoo-hoo.  Also, you'll need to bring over each individual peasant one by one.

Of course, it's still a viable option if you've got some chemical warfare going on (toadstools), but other methods are generally a little too destructive of the buildings to be worth it (except for summoning a pack of wolves, which is also great fun).
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Post by: forsaken1111 on June 24, 2010, 02:16:11 pm
I guess I just enjoyed wiping the little heathens out so much I didn't notice how much work it was.
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Post by: Pandarsenic on June 25, 2010, 09:24:26 pm
Wiping them out is both easy and great fun.

Stabilizing the village once you own it is a pain in the ass.
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Post by: Grfnrblin on June 28, 2010, 05:07:52 pm
Man...  The last time I tried to play this game it would always crash on the opening cutscene after plucking the kid out of the water... And that was when I was using XP, I'm even more doubtful to if it would run on Windows 7...

Edit:  Never mind, it's working fine now.  I just need to figure out why the only creatures I can see at the start are the ape, cow, and tiger...
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Post by: Mono124 on December 22, 2013, 07:13:42 pm
SUUUUPER NECRO. Since I am home for winter break, I went ahead and reinstalled this gem. Would anyone like to play a multiplayer game with me at some point in the next 4 weeks? Timezone does not matter, I will stay up to 4AM if it means I get to play this amazing game with another person.
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Post by: Moogie on December 22, 2013, 08:01:47 pm
I was waaaaay into the online stuff back when the official servers were up. As much as I miss it, it's a lot of work just to mess around in nostalgiaville for a while...

Mmmnneehh... trying to convince myself. Your avatar is making me feel guilty. I'll think about it. I don't have my old wolfie backup anymore, I'd have to train one up again from scratch. :/
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Post by: Mono124 on December 23, 2013, 02:43:39 pm
Yeeessshhhh goood.... feel the guilt flow from my avatar to you...

In a more serious note, I have also lost my creature... which sucks. I feel your pain.
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Post by: Argonnek on February 08, 2017, 10:49:02 pm
Heeeeyyyyyy. I'm wondering if anyone with more experience with such things could answer this:

I've recently installed this game onto my computer (Windows 7 SP 1, 64-bit), but every time I try to get it to run, it doesn't. I'll see the "loading something into memory" light go on, and then nothing. The process terminates without even an error message to tell me what happened. Can anyone else get it running?
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Post by: forsaken1111 on February 09, 2017, 07:41:16 am
Holy necropost batman. These are always fun to explore a few years later though.

I have nothing useful to add regarding your problem, I haven't touched this game in 4-5 years
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Post by: Akura on February 09, 2017, 08:17:27 am
Huh, I wonder if they'll ever reboot/remake this game with VR support. The original had something, but it required a peripheral that didn't really have a lot of support.
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Post by: forsaken1111 on February 09, 2017, 08:19:19 am
Huh, I wonder if they'll ever reboot/remake this game with VR support. The original had something, but it required a peripheral that didn't really have a lot of support.
I've been waiting on a good god game. So far none of the attempts have looked all that promising.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 09, 2017, 08:23:34 am
Given that Lionhead is pretty much nonexistent... probably no.
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Post by: forsaken1111 on February 09, 2017, 08:25:04 am
Someone else could make a similar game I think was the idea. I doubt anyone expects Lionhead to suddenly show up again
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Post by: Kagus on February 09, 2017, 08:50:52 am
You need to install some 3rd-party software in order to get it to run on modern machines.

This isn't the specific guide I used in getting it to run on my Windows 10 laptop, but it should contain the same basic information:
http://www.play-old-pc-games.com/2013/03/08/black-and-white/
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Post by: xaritscin on February 09, 2017, 12:01:09 pm
Someone else could make a similar game I think was the idea. I doubt anyone expects Lionhead to suddenly show up again

there is one, its called Reus. its in 2D on a planetoid, you use 4 gods to raise the land and help to balance the resources. but its not as much as being a single god that manages everything for its followers. and well, humans can rebel against them. but it tries to get on the soles of god simulation.
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Post by: forsaken1111 on February 09, 2017, 12:13:14 pm
Someone else could make a similar game I think was the idea. I doubt anyone expects Lionhead to suddenly show up again

there is one, its called Reus. its in 2D on a planetoid, you use 4 gods to raise the land and help to balance the resources. but its not as much as being a single god that manages everything for its followers. and well, humans can rebel against them. but it tries to get on the soles of god simulation.
It's... not at all similar imo. I have it and I've played it, it plays more like a puzzle game than a god game.
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Post by: Argonnek on February 09, 2017, 04:26:04 pm
It works! The game is working fine. That articles helped a lot. And now I can show my friends just how awesome this game was... minus the various game-breaking bugs, of course. Thanks!
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Post by: Cruxador on February 09, 2017, 05:59:36 pm
Huh, I wonder if they'll ever reboot/remake this game with VR support. The original had something, but it required a peripheral that didn't really have a lot of support.
Yeah, using room-scale VR to stride about your land seems like it would be absolutely amazing. Unfortunately, probably better for some indie folks to make a whole new game than to try to hack Black and White into this.
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Post by: PTTG?? on February 15, 2017, 11:46:01 pm
I heard that one of the demos for Black and White featured one guy wearing a baseball glove with a wire running up it while someone used a mouse hidden in the background... which sums up Molyneux pretty well.