I normally spend too much time trying to build a bajillion houses and trying to convert "that one village", and then realize that the enemy had taken all villages but that one village and my starter. Que mega blasts at my temple.
I never really liked any of the Black and White games. It seems like they had such great potential for being open world sandbox games, but it seems like Molyneux doesn't know how to make one of those. They all felt like a sandbox on rails, if that's even possible (and all Molyneux games feel this way).
The thing that really bugged me about the B&W games was the stupid little "quest" scrolls you find lying around the place. Talk about an immersion breaker: Here I am, they tell me that I am the most powerful god of the universe, but yet I need these lame little scrolls to accomplish anything meaningful?
So here I am, "unlocking" my god powers by clicking on the dumb scrolls. By the time that I actually get any freedom to do anything the game freezes and I get "Congratulations, Level Defeated!". I ask myself, "Wait a second, I thought I was playing a god game in a massive dynamic world, not beating some static 'level'???" Then on the next "level", all of my progress is basically erased and I'm asked to start over again. WTF???!!!
Hehe, I would always lose when I played... except for when I made awesome alliances. I would farm prayer and give it to my allies, and they would obliterate the enemy. It was fairly fun. I normally spend too much time trying to build a bajillion houses and trying to convert "that one village", and then realize that the enemy had taken all villages but that one village and my starter. Que mega blasts at my temple.In my experience, Megablasts aren't very effective at destroying a temple, although that could depend on which takes damage first from temple attacks, worshippers or buildings(I forget).
Yeah, why not?
What was the player cap? I'd like to see a Vishna multiplayer, where there's eight players on each of two teams, with one temple each.
Yeah, if you get a game going, I'll try to join in.
Isn't the original made by that guy who promised things but never delivered?
@alexwazer: The tiger is supposed to be more aggressive. The ape is the better learner, while the cow is supposed to be there to take care of your people.
I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of... They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).
I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of... They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).
Uh... do tell?
Yep, that's the stuff. So far as I could tell, that was pretty much the only use for those things, since they refused to actually generate new bubbles on their own. I think the creature may even have learned the spell faster that way.I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of... They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).
Uh... do tell?
Build a spell dispenser or whatever they are called, drop your spell on it to make a one-shot miracle. Grab (not tap) the bubble and hand it over to your creature, it should partly learn the spell as if you had casted it. Make sure to make it drop before it actually cast it or eat it... stupid tiger. Rinse and repeat until it reaches 100%.
Yep, that's the stuff. So far as I could tell, that was pretty much the only use for those things, since they refused to actually generate new bubbles on their own. I think the creature may even have learned the spell faster that way.I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of... They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).
Uh... do tell?
Build a spell dispenser or whatever they are called, drop your spell on it to make a one-shot miracle. Grab (not tap) the bubble and hand it over to your creature, it should partly learn the spell as if you had casted it. Make sure to make it drop before it actually cast it or eat it... stupid tiger. Rinse and repeat until it reaches 100%.
I really can't see why you'd teach your critter mega blast though... Sure, the bragging rights are great, but it's awfully expensive in terms of fatigue and hunger, the creature can quite easily get caught in the blast (of course, I've had creatures unload an entire blast of lightning into themselves, so...), and it takes frikkin' years to get them to learn it all the way. And for all that, there's not much more accomplished than what a good ol' lightning spell or a couple fireballs could whip up.
I mean, if I'm going to utterly demolish a town with an upgraded megablast storm... I want to have the honor of doing it myself.
I think I made a critter eat a spell bubble one time... I don't think it went over all that well.
http://archive2009.codeofrob.com/projects/Default.aspx?Item=BWPhoenix
Black & White multiplayer without Hamachi :)
Sadness.http://archive2009.codeofrob.com/projects/Default.aspx?Item=BWPhoenix
Black & White multiplayer without Hamachi :)
*Clicks download links* 404 error. *cries* *Clicks download links* 404 error. *cries* *smashes computer*. :'(
I think the point of teaching your creature Megablast is that you don't teach your creature Megablast.Yep, that's the stuff. So far as I could tell, that was pretty much the only use for those things, since they refused to actually generate new bubbles on their own. I think the creature may even have learned the spell faster that way.I also found out how to train any creature spell up to 100% using only a single expenditure of mana, and how to raise the dead (well, sort of... They were a little dodgy, to be perfectly honest).
Uh... do tell?
Build a spell dispenser or whatever they are called, drop your spell on it to make a one-shot miracle. Grab (not tap) the bubble and hand it over to your creature, it should partly learn the spell as if you had casted it. Make sure to make it drop before it actually cast it or eat it... stupid tiger. Rinse and repeat until it reaches 100%.
I really can't see why you'd teach your critter mega blast though... Sure, the bragging rights are great, but it's awfully expensive in terms of fatigue and hunger, the creature can quite easily get caught in the blast (of course, I've had creatures unload an entire blast of lightning into themselves, so...), and it takes frikkin' years to get them to learn it all the way. And for all that, there's not much more accomplished than what a good ol' lightning spell or a couple fireballs could whip up.
I mean, if I'm going to utterly demolish a town with an upgraded megablast storm... I want to have the honor of doing it myself.
I think I made a critter eat a spell bubble one time... I don't think it went over all that well.
I'm so lazy I'm considering just torrenting the game despite the fact I can see the disc from here.Why would you install the 1.3 patch if you don't have the p5 glove thing, that is literally the only thing that patch does.
...It's just barely out of my reach...
I'm so lazy I'm considering just torrenting the game despite the fact I can see the disc from here.Why would you install the 1.3 patch if you don't have the p5 glove thing, that is literally the only thing that patch does.
...It's just barely out of my reach...
What I'd like to know is how NEOphyte's post has anything to do whatsoever with my own post.I'm used to forums where the quote button is UNDER the post you're quoting.
The only thing to remember is, if you want them to do or NOT do something, you need to be there to either reward or punish it the first time or two it happens. Otherwise the creature gets its own ideas about the action/behavior, and even if you discipline them later, they'll always prefer the way they decided before. Pets can't unlearn things once they've learned them, and you have to punish the crap out of a learned behavior to make them do it less.
It could be that their swallowing seawater. Then again, they drink ocean water when their thirsty.The only thing to remember is, if you want them to do or NOT do something, you need to be there to either reward or punish it the first time or two it happens. Otherwise the creature gets its own ideas about the action/behavior, and even if you discipline them later, they'll always prefer the way they decided before. Pets can't unlearn things once they've learned them, and you have to punish the crap out of a learned behavior to make them do it less.
Also, don't let them eat fish. Fish are for only fit for villagers. If your creature eats fish, they will get hungrier and you will get more evil.
Strange bug. Slightly hilarious, but still strange.
How do I find a copy of this game? No store I know of sells PC games that old. I loved the second one and have heard great things about the first.
How do I find a copy of this game? No store I know of sells PC games that old. I loved the second one and have heard great things about the first.I would like to know also.
It's not like the developers are getting any money any more and thinking, 'oh hey, B&W1 is making money, let's make B&W3!'How do I find a copy of this game? No store I know of sells PC games that old. I loved the second one and have heard great things about the first.I would like to know also.
Might need to 'find' it somewhere on the interwebs.
How do you use a creature you downloaded the patch for?
How do you use a creature you downloaded the patch for?
Don't. We'd have to get everyone hooked up with it... I think there is an external utility that changes it.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is there a way to not fight Sleg in the first land, or do you have to fight when your creature goes to him?Feed him twice, he falls asleep.
Ah, okay then.
Back to trying to make him bigger and stronger then, the gist of what I got was "carry rocks around for a while and then sleep in pen"
I assume the pen is the little fenced area infront of the temple gate.
K, ill either be getting up early, or going to bed late. What patches needed?
K, ill either be getting up early, or going to bed late. What patches needed?
I'd assume latest, which is 1.3 "Glove Patch" (no Creature Isle expansion please!). It can still be found on Lionhead's site. :) I don't believe the previous patches are required, but I'm about to find out if that's wrong. :D
(On a side note, I just spent entirely too long looking for my CD and key. :( I've had two copies of the game- first CD got snapped. Eventually found the other one, but then could not for the life of me find EITHER of the manuals! Gah. Dad likes to... "tidy" things away quite often...)
Don't use the 1.3 patch. You have to have the P5 glove just to get the game working.
Don't use the 1.3 patch. You have to have the P5 glove just to get the game working.
Yeah, I ended up downloading the DLL for that. I think 1.2 is compatible.
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What reach bug? I used my influence....
You can't use the online thing to host games without someone else to "join" you. Skirmish maps are different from multiplayer, and I don't quite know how to convert them.
The more I go on the more I realize my creature never feeds worshippers or villages or uses any miracles at all really, unless it's to copy me.
How do I beat it into his stubborn little head that my followers need to be taken care of without me doing every bit of it myself?
--Timezone kungfu--
Aw, dat poor wittle puppy...Yeah, if you look through the files in B&W2 there are a TON of creatures, buildings, miracles and epic miracles that were never finished. What was released was a half-finished game, pushed out solely to make money.
Yeah, I've noticed that for all its flair and glittery graphics, B&W2 is actually LESS than B&W1.
My blame is equally distributed between Peter for setting his goals too high, EA for pushing it out the door too soon, (like all the other crap they've produced lately, seriously, boycott now) and the development team, for not daring to stand up to the neolithic moneychewing dinosaur (which incidentially signs their paycheques, so yeah, not much can be done)
Never having played with it, i have read that B&W1 features a skirmish mode with the CPU.
As the fun in strategy solo skirmish is very dependant on how well the CPU is coded, is it enjoyable, or is the CPU too dumb to be fun to play with ?
Never having played with it, i have read that B&W1 features a skirmish mode with the CPU.
As the fun in strategy solo skirmish is very dependant on how well the CPU is coded, is it enjoyable, or is the CPU too dumb to be fun to play with ?
And yes, they are stupid enough to throw fireballs and cast thunder when you are standing in the middle of their village, which usually results in them wiping out their own population.
This is why people prefer to play B&W online. :)
I'll have to try that forest spell seedling trick. I think it's basically a flashier wood spell that's good for impressing people.
Re: the alignment thing, I usually end up hoverring at neutral-evil. I do a lot of good things for my villagers, but there's a few innocuous actions that count as evil, such as ripping up trees, or 'stealing' resources from the village store. Even if I'm trying to be fully good, it's difficult to progress if you don't have food/wood miracles and need to rely on ripping up forests and sacrificing cows.
Actually, I probably should have done that. Just keep using the benefits from multiple Norse wonders to build more Norse wonders. It would have been gloriously stupid.
Bastion plays catch with rocks and trees very well, but I can't for the life of me get him to catch a fireball. The problem is, as soon as I cast it, he points and ":O!" at it, as if to say "Oh my god, you just cast a SPELL! AMAZING!" but then he's too busy being awed to actually pay attention and catch the feiry ball of death I just hurled at him. Not sure if it was because I was using miracle bubbles... should I try on a map where I can charge the spell energy myself?
Shield spells are awesome if you have the energy to sustain them. It's fun knocking them down, too. I find the noise a bouncing rock makes against the physical shield absolutely glorious. :D
Oh man I remember this game. I haven't played in a long time.
Hell I don't even know where my disk is, but great game. Wish I could join you guys.
I seriously doubt I even still have the game, I haven't even seen it in years. Good memories. Is there anywhere online that offers it cheap as a download?Oh man I remember this game. I haven't played in a long time.
Hell I don't even know where my disk is, but great game. Wish I could join you guys.
There's still time to dig it out... :3 We can help you set everything up if you don't feel like reading the past 14 pages for clues, heh.
Yarrr, there be not, me matie. It be time to grab ye cutlass and pillage yon server! ARRRRR!Would a game acquired in such a way work in multiplayer?
Yarrr, there be not, me matie. It be time to grab ye cutlass and pillage yon server! ARRRRR!Would a game acquired in such a way work in multiplayer?
Well I shall acquire the game by some means then which I will not mention here because tis bad et al.Yarrr, there be not, me matie. It be time to grab ye cutlass and pillage yon server! ARRRRR!Would a game acquired in such a way work in multiplayer?
PM'd
...PGGT was the host and he gave us his IP...
I can play, DLing 1.2 now. Though my creature is really little.Yeah well, I don't even HAVE one yet.
Is being small advantagous in any way?You... uh... you're harder to hit?
So... why aren't we using 1.3?The real question is why are you using 1.3..?
I am using 1.3 because the hamachi network games I play require you to have 1.3...Good reason I guess. 1.3 doesn't add anything to the game, and apparently doesn't work on Win7 64-bit (or at least not on mine) so I can't use it. :(
Well I have already reinstalled to 1.2 since that's the only way forsaken can play with us. But if in the meantime he finds a way to get 1.3 working, it's a quick and simple upgrade.I will mess with it some more today and see if I can figure out how to get 1.3 working correctly. I would hate for you all to miss out on the powerglove feature.
@Apple Master: Some details have been posted already, see page 15. No times set yet; I'll leave that up to whoever wants to host.
I actually own the powerglove.... Is that weird that I bought it for B&W?Does it... work? Do you like it?
I'm actually quite curious. I've played the second one- how does it compare to the first?Strangely. Mouse buttons are inverted (leftclick moves, rightclick interacts), villages only serve to provide miracles (which there is more of) and expand your influence ring (which is based on the non-homeless population of a village and their belief in you), you need to use scaffolding made from a workshop to place buildings, and other generally strange things.
Sidequests became a grindfest of "Create 20 Disciples" or "Build 20 Houses", as opposed to the first game where they actually made some sense in context.Pretty sure those were just "hey you can get tribute for doing shit" things, there's still the Silver Scroll sidequests.
I'm actually quite curious. I've played the second one- how does it compare to the first?
Sidequests became a grindfest of "Create 20 Disciples" or "Build 20 Houses", as opposed to the first game where they actually made some sense in context.Pretty sure those were just "hey you can get tribute for doing shit" things, there's still the Silver Scroll sidequests.
:edit: and yeah, B&W1 does feel a bit bland as well. Wonder what you'd get if you combined the two games, taking the better parts of each? Would be nice to not have to use scaffolding to make fields.
Honestly, I'm half tempted to say keep the belief from the first game, force the gods to actually have to go out and mingle in order to win. Impressiveness should certainly still feature somehow though.Sidequests became a grindfest of "Create 20 Disciples" or "Build 20 Houses", as opposed to the first game where they actually made some sense in context.Pretty sure those were just "hey you can get tribute for doing shit" things, there's still the Silver Scroll sidequests.
:edit: and yeah, B&W1 does feel a bit bland as well. Wonder what you'd get if you combined the two games, taking the better parts of each? Would be nice to not have to use scaffolding to make fields.
If you took the better parts of each game and combined them, I have a feeling that the universe would explode. Well, actually, take multi player, the creature, miracles, and quests from the first game. Combine them with the ease of city building, armies, impressiveness, and epic miracles from the second game. I smell win.
wait for me. have to patch real quickTo 1.2 right?
I've connected to you but I'm not seeing you in the LAN lobby area. You should have the game running at this point, and be at the screen that says "Join an existing game". There's no "Create Room" button and you won't see anybody else there (I don't think), but I should be able to see your name and be able to join you.I'm at the "Find a game on your local network" screen with an empty box. How does one actually host the game? All I see is join existing game.
My game was freezing up 10-20 seconds at a time. By the time I typed anything it was already redundant -- I definitely cannot host a room. Don't join my name in the list. :P I had to ctrl+alt+del because everything was just stuck dead.Apparently I am not showing up as joinable?
You need to have "Enable hosting" ticked in your Client, forsaken.I have it clicked.
If you already have, then I have no idea. The only reason I was showing up as joinable is because I accidentally had that ticked myself.
Does forsaken have the right ports forwarded?I have no firewall up, so that is irrelevant.
You need to have "Enable hosting" ticked in your Client, forsaken.I have it clicked.
If you already have, then I have no idea. The only reason I was showing up as joinable is because I accidentally had that ticked myself.
Wait I just noticed the "Override Server Allocated External IP" option, what should be there?
So I turned that off, it was on by default. Am I showing up now?You need to have "Enable hosting" ticked in your Client, forsaken.I have it clicked.
If you already have, then I have no idea. The only reason I was showing up as joinable is because I accidentally had that ticked myself.
Wait I just noticed the "Override Server Allocated External IP" option, what should be there?
That's only if you're using two PCs to join the same game on the same router, IIRC.
Are you sure there's absolutely no security active on your router at all?Yes, I am pretty sure. I will check though.
Even if you have router firewall off you MUST forward the ports, otherwise it does not know where to send inbound traffic on that port.Even if I'm on the DMZ? It was my understanding that this bypassed the firewall completely.
I'm pretty sure that you have to forward ports anyway...http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/port-forwarding-dmz.asp
*Shrugs* I don't know what to say. :(Sorry. Where are the instructions for the port forwarding? I will put it in on the off chance that it will do something, but... eh. At this point you aren't even hitting my firewall when you try to connect.
Could Halfman host, then?
6012 and 2612
I'm not getting a connection now either, so it's not just you. x)Oh, duh. Mousing over the 'enable hosting' option says you need to forward 6014 for the game, not 6012. 6012 is for the phoenix lobby. x.x
Mmmmmnope... still nothing.
So should we try again?Yeah go for it with the new IP 96.255.87.34 I guess the router reboots made my ISP change it.
WAIT! I connected!Yay!
roflmao what did you do?Hehe, just loaded the game again and it gave me the option of skipping everything but I misclicked and it started the tutorial.
Still nothing.Well I can't now, its 4pm and I have to get ready for dinner. Going out.
Ok... well, if you guys are willing to try, I'll see if I can host instead. But I'm warning you now, even if it does work, it's probably going to be very laggy.
Congrats. So play again later?
That would mean your computer can't handle it. Not your internet connection.
:'(
:'(
Isn't there some chat program y'all could be using? Like Hamachi? The past two-three pages have been a bit heavily populated with posts that aren't really moving the thread anywhere.
Its not like we're wasting paper or something.:'(
Isn't there some chat program y'all could be using? Like Hamachi? The past two-three pages have been a bit heavily populated with posts that aren't really moving the thread anywhere.
Well, I changed the front page... and I need links.... and you need to vote on your creature.
I need:
Pheonix lobby and client download link
A good black and white creature backer-uper (for lack of a better term)
Confirmation on ports 6012 and 6014 needing to be opened for pheonix hosting
Any steps I missed
EDIT: And..... I need game times. We need to set up some games people. Are we going to be playing on fridays, saturdays and sundays with a few exception games in between? Who will be hosting? What is your IP? Does it change a lot? I NEED ANSWERS!!
Game today anyone?
"Ohh, we've got this notionI really really can tell you that.
that we'd quite like to sail the ocean
so we've built us a big ship
to leave here for good.
We're not keen on sinkin',
so we're all sittin' here a-thinking,
cause we've built it too big
and we've run out of wood!
Eidle eidle-ee, eidle eidle-ee..."
You can't tell me the tutorial island doesn't have anything good on it.
Is there a way to skip the first island or at least the tutorials? I'd play, but early game is so long and boring I'd likely lose interest. B&W isn't fun until you can build stuff, really.
Okay, I completed land 3 but my creature won't learn at all, and he says in his cave that I pay no attention to him!
Actually 11:30 is about a 1 hour and 45 minutes from now...Daylight Savings Time is the bane of my existence.
Also... 10 points if anyone guesses where my avatar comes from. Be specific as well......SPORE! :P
The begining scene of B&W when you are summoned as a god?
The begining scene of B&W when you are summoned as a god?
DING DING WE AVE A WINNAR.... well... colors are a bit different but yeah.
I had a really FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-- Moment when somehow my temple was being hurt by fire. At the start of the 2nd island Everything died
Patch fails - possibly related to my crack, since (as stated) I have no idea where my CD is....
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand still not working despite setup.exe use.
Reinstalled, patched, cracked
Now first whenever I saved the save would disappear the second I left my temple.
I moved it out of Program Files and now it crashes after the first Tip of the Loadscreen finishes.
Oh, no, my creature is dead but not respawning due to a misfire in my attempt to kill Sleg with lightning.
This may have already been asked, but I'm on the first island, so I have to move my creature pretty far to get to the giant guide lion. When guiding my creature with the leash, when I'm nearly there he often lies down, removing the leash, and then spawns back at the temple. This is extremely frustrating because it takes forever to actually get him to go somewhere. What is the problem?Is his hunger hitting 100%? He sorta dies if that happens.
Oh, possibly...yeah that was it.This may have already been asked, but I'm on the first island, so I have to move my creature pretty far to get to the giant guide lion. When guiding my creature with the leash, when I'm nearly there he often lies down, removing the leash, and then spawns back at the temple. This is extremely frustrating because it takes forever to actually get him to go somewhere. What is the problem?Is his hunger hitting 100%? He sorta dies if that happens.
Oh, possibly...yeah that was it.This may have already been asked, but I'm on the first island, so I have to move my creature pretty far to get to the giant guide lion. When guiding my creature with the leash, when I'm nearly there he often lies down, removing the leash, and then spawns back at the temple. This is extremely frustrating because it takes forever to actually get him to go somewhere. What is the problem?Is his hunger hitting 100%? He sorta dies if that happens.
Also, what is this whispery "deeeaathh" voice I hear?
Thanks. I actually figured it out myself shortly after asking. Another question, what seems to be the fastest way to increase belief in a hostile god's town? Fire, lightning, healing, filling stockpiles, or just flinging shit over their heads...I can't seem to figure out what dictates the amount of belief given for a particular action.
Too much micromanaging and rebuilding for me to like that answer. :IWiping them out and dropping your own people in is too much micro, but you're willing to go through that list you just posted?
Huh, I wonder if they'll ever reboot/remake this game with VR support. The original had something, but it required a peripheral that didn't really have a lot of support.I've been waiting on a good god game. So far none of the attempts have looked all that promising.
Someone else could make a similar game I think was the idea. I doubt anyone expects Lionhead to suddenly show up again
It's... not at all similar imo. I have it and I've played it, it plays more like a puzzle game than a god game.Someone else could make a similar game I think was the idea. I doubt anyone expects Lionhead to suddenly show up again
there is one, its called Reus. its in 2D on a planetoid, you use 4 gods to raise the land and help to balance the resources. but its not as much as being a single god that manages everything for its followers. and well, humans can rebel against them. but it tries to get on the soles of god simulation.
Huh, I wonder if they'll ever reboot/remake this game with VR support. The original had something, but it required a peripheral that didn't really have a lot of support.Yeah, using room-scale VR to stride about your land seems like it would be absolutely amazing. Unfortunately, probably better for some indie folks to make a whole new game than to try to hack Black and White into this.