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Finally... => Forum Games and Roleplaying => Mafia => Topic started by: Criptfeind on June 11, 2010, 02:57:29 pm
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Welcome to Beginner's Mafia! This is the Twelfth run of our Beginner's Mafia series. In Beginner's Mafia, you will be pitted up with a Town IC (Inexperienced Challenged) who will help you play the game, and will be just as clueless, if not more so, about the setup as you, and a Mafia IC, who will be helping out the Mafia.
In Mafia, you are divided into two parts: Town and Mafia:
If you are Town, your goal is to lynch the Mafia. You do this by convincing others that one of the group is scum, and getting enough votes on them to lynch them.
If you are Mafia, your goal is to kill off the Town until there is an equal number of them to you by getting them to lynch other Town or by killing them. You are given a kill each Night to kill any player in the game.
Each Day, you all vote to lynch a player. Each Night, you send in your actions. The cycle continues until one side wins. Days are 72 hours and nights are 48. Weekends count for zero hours.
You may not PM other players. The mafia will have a place to talk to themselves.
In this setup, there are the possibility of extra roles. These roles are Cop and Doctor for Town, and Roleblocker and Godfather for Mafia.
A Cop inspects any player at Night. They are told that player's alignment.
A Doctor may protect any player at Night. This stops that player from being killed.
A Roleblocker stops an extra role from using an action. This stops Doctors and Cops but does nothing for Townies.
A Godfather makes Cops get Town for their alignment, instead of Mafia.
There is a 50% chance for any of these roles to show up. It is possible to end up with no extra roles.
For a link to our Tutorial here at B12: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0
If you're still confused, join anyhow and we'll teach you!
This game will have 9 players. If more ICs wish to join, it would be helpful, since one IC is usually never enough.
Players:
1. Ottofar replaced by Diablous Strangled night one - Towny
2. Toaster killed night two - Towny
3. USEC_OFFICER Lynched day one - Towny
4. Bandages
5. Taco Dan Lynched Day Two - Towny
6. LonewolfI
7. Thendash
8. wolfchild
9. weird beard
ICs:
Jokerman-EXE-Scum
Eduren needs replacement-Town
Mr.Person-Town
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Indeed Interesting.
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I suppose I could use the experience. Count me in
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oohhh im new so im definitely interested
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I need the practice.
CLEVER PHRASE WITH THE LETTERS "IN" IN IT.
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Complete beginner. Sounds like fun!
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I'll Scum IC, if that's cool.
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I'll Scum IC, if that's cool.
Oh thank god.
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Let's try this again...
Without any miserable fuck ups this time.
In.
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Ill take Town IC.
Time to whip you sissies into shape.
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Ill take Town IC.
Time to whip you sissies into shape.
Sweet.
I just noticed that in the first post wuba I did not say how long days and nights are. Days are 72 hours and nights are 48. Weekends count for zero hours.
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I suppose I could use the experience. Count me in
Ah crap. Things happened. I don't think I will really be able to play when this starts up. Out. Sorry.
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That is okay.
Sorry to hear it though.
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Huh, I didn't. Oh well.
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Seems interesting, I've been reading some online tutorials and I think I've got it all down.
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I'll help Eduren with IC'ing the town.
Although I bet he's better at it than I am purely because I don't even check the Beginner Mafia threads. Hehe. Still, I can just yell at lurkers if nothing else.
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Three more, come on newbies!
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In, now that eleven is over.
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Three two more, come on newbies!
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I've never played mafia before but I'll give it a shot. IN!
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I'd suggest you to read a few games.
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ONE MOAR YA!
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Why not put that on the title?
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I will, yes.
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I won't be here all next week so feel free to start without me ;)
I'll probably pick it back up once I can.
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FYI, Pimpson's probably never going to play. He's last active on the 17th.
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FYI, Pimpson's probably never going to play. He's last active on the 17th.
Ya, I kicked him out like last week.
Edit: Or I thought I did...
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If that extra slot is still there,il give it a go
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I fail at maths, one more is still needed, nice to have you wolfchild.
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So, it's starting soon?
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Due to Pimpson's flaking, you need one more player.
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Curses!
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Can I be in?
I've done maybe a game of Mafia and a game of Werewolf before now. And sucked miserably at them, and have never won but I get the general idea.
EDIT: These were on a different site btw.
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Hooray we can start!
Finally...
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Good luck you guys.
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thanks, il probably need it
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lol
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Perhaps I'll do... a little better... this time.
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weird beard ftw.
I am rolling up the roles now. Because of my lack of a good computer (see supernatural <_< >_>) There will be a lack of flavor.
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Police chief criptfeind sighed, then glanced again at the nine folders before him. His gaze moved up and over the faces of those represented therein. New recruits all, fresh from the academy. He took a long draw from his cigarette, and began to speak.
"This morning I received an anonymous tip, with some rather, well, unfortunate implications."
Quizzical looks, some fidgeting. Nothing telling. Nothing he could work with.
"It seems that two of you are being paid off by the local mafia."
A gasp or two, surreptitious glances. They're too green, he thought. All of them dropping scumtells left and right.
"In light of this, the nine of you will be working together on your first assignment. A sort of trial by fire. You see, I can't have traitors on the force. Won't stand for it. Your mission will be to root out the traitors and see them executed. We'll do one execution every evening. Whoever the majority thinks is scum gets to take a trip to the morgue, then you can all go home for the night, and we'll do it again the next day. If you're serious about this job, you keep showing up and you root out the scum."
Outright shock on most of their faces. One or two of them looked like they'd be sick. Still nothing that would allow him to cut this short before it even began. Ah well. One doesn't get to be Chief of Bay12 Police by coddling newbies.
"The investigation starts now. Good luck."
Vote count
0 Ottofar:
0 Toaster:
0 USEC_OFFICER:
0 Bandages:
0 Taco Dan:
0 LonewolfI:
0 Thendash:
0 wolfchild:
0 weird beard:
Day ends in 96 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=June&day=30&year=2010&hour=9pm&min=&sec=&p0=159)
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Pms have been sent, if you have any questions please ask me or one of the ICs
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Hmm, you have been a pirate before, you downgraded to mafia now TACO DAN?
ps thats my first vote
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Please use red for your votes to make them easy for me to see.
IE: I vote you Wuba
And than to unvote
I unvote Wuba
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ok from now on thats what il do, il probably change it before the first lynch, but you never know
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wolfchild - Are you...
are you my long lost son?
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Lonewolf=Good flavor text, check it out.
Thanks man.
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hmm lonewolf is not jumping on the wagon, so either BOTH he and taco are mafia or lone wolf is not, that or i SUCK at this game, still are you not goong to defend you'reself taco
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The day ends in four days.
If I can get this fiddly thing to work I can get a count down up here.
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hmm lonewolf is not jumping on the wagon, so either BOTH he and taco are mafia or lone wolf is not, that or i SUCK at this game, still are you not goong to defend you'reself taco
Sheesh, give him a chance to get on and check the forums. We've got four days to grill each other.
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Rawr, I give up, here is the count down (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=June&day=30&year=2010&hour=9pm&min=&sec=&p0=159).
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Greetings, USEC_OFFICER! What plan do you intend to use to root out the scummy ones among us?
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I plan to trust no one, suspect everyone, and bring lots of Bandages!
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Bandages are made for healing, not for hurting, my friend.
weird beard, you've been awful quiet so far. Why is your beard so weird, huh?
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So, wolfy, you ever played before? You seem pretty eager to catch bandwagoners.
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Ottofar would you rather be scum or town?
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i read one, the supernatural one, they seemed o hate bandwagons
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Bandages are made for healing, not for hurting, my friend.
weird beard, you've been awful quiet so far. Why is your beard so weird, huh?
Because I'm british, and I went to bed about the same time this game started.
Well, I've played enough games to know that abstaining favours scum soo... Toaster. Why so toasty hmm? I wonder if maybe you're blackening the toast amongst us, with your vile overtoasting!
Vote: Toaster
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That's one way to do it. Unvote.
Thendash, since no one has voted you, I would. Which player here would you want most as a scum partner?
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Oh hey, we started, I was too busy playing Soul Reaver to notice...
Hmm, you have been a pirate before, you downgraded to mafia now TACO DAN?
wolfchild, is that your only reason? Or can you back it up?
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Oh hey, we started, I was too busy playing Soul Reaver to notice...
Hmm, you have been a pirate before, you downgraded to mafia now TACO DAN?
wolfchild, is that your only reason? Or can you back it up?
I was baiting you, and you respond with a OMGYS, with verry little else to go on, I at least have the excuse that i dont know anyone else and i was the first to post
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Oh hey, we started, I was too busy playing Soul Reaver to notice...
Hmm, you have been a pirate before, you downgraded to mafia now TACO DAN?
wolfchild, is that your only reason? Or can you back it up?
I was baiting you, and you respond with a OMGYS, with verry little else to go on, I at least have the excuse that i dont know anyone else and i was the first to post
Hey, I know just as little as you do.
Although you probably can't believe me on that.
Unvote
I dunno, Toaster? I'm not very good at this it seems.
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It never fails to impress me how good the beginner's actually are at this game.
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Stuff
Hey, I know just as little as you do.
Although you probably can't believe me on that.
Unvote
I dunno, Toaster? I'm not very good at this it seems.
Hmm well il take that as an act of faith and unvote
but otofar, really wernet you playing supernatural mafia, what are you doing in a beginer's game
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Good show wolfy. You've got the basics of scumhunting, but lack subtlety. Keep it up. Unvote
USEC_OFFICER, very punny. What do you think of wolfchild so far?
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Hey, I know just as little as you do.
Although you probably can't believe me on that.
Unvote
I dunno, Toaster? I'm not very good at this it seems.
Here's a tip- putting "I dunno" near your vote is a bad idea, as it makes it look like you don't care about it. If you're town, your vote is your only real tool, so wasting it reflects badly on your alignment- especially since it's not the first vote on me. I could theorize on a scumteam of you and weird beard, but I'll let it slide this time.
Anyway, while I wait for Thendash, I'll ask Lonewolf who, among these folks, he thinks would be hardest to catch as scum. You may say yourself if you like.
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Everyone but you, Ottofar, and Bandages. I can't reliably read someone who I've never played a game with, and with my current experience it's fairly difficult to tell the difference between newbscum and newbtown. They all look scummy to me.
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Hello, people.
Threndash, I'd rather be scum, I've never been one.
Wolfchild, this is my fifth(?) game, and I'm pretty terrible.
Bandages, you've posted once?
Also, there was something strange about our internetz, so I couldn't post before this.
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Bandages, you've posted once?
Also, there was something strange about our internetz, so I couldn't post before this.
Unvote
Yes, Ottofar, I've only posted once. And so have you apparently. Last game I posted way too early and it ended up causing me to go down looking like a flaming asshole, so this game I've decided to think before I post! Huzzah!
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Toaster: Probably Lonewolf I, I've read a game with him in it as town and he seemed pretty good and I think he'd do equally as well as scum.
Ottofar: Four games and not scum once? If being scum is truly random then the odds are stacked against(with?) you that you are scum. But very well, I don't want to keep this bandwagon going against someone that hasn't done anything scummy(yet...). Unvote
Lonewolf I: No one has a vote on you. I've got a question, do I have to have a vote on someone?
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Can we please have a list of players with the votes against them, and whos, im getting a little confused as to whom has voted whom at the moment
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Lonewolf I: No one has a vote on you. I've got a question, do I have to have a vote on someone?
Well, you certainly don't have to. However, most of the time if you don't have a vote on someone and you aren't actively pushing them for scumtells, it can be seen as scummy. Not using your vote to hunt scum makes it look like you don't care about finding scum, which is something only scum would do.
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Toaster: Probably Lonewolf I, I've read a game with him in it as town and he seemed pretty good and I think he'd do equally as well as scum.
Ottofar: Four games and not scum once? If being scum is truly random then the odds are stacked against(with?) you that you are scum. But very well, I don't want to keep this bandwagon going against someone that hasn't done anything scummy(yet...). Unvote
Unvote. Fair enough, but see Gambler's Fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy)
Bandages: Since you thought before you posted, what was your thinking in putting a third vote on Ottofar?
Ottofar: Why do you think he put a third vote on you? Also, how do you intend to play differently that you have in past games where you were mislynched for your behavior?
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My internets broke. I am back and will make a vote count.
Vote count Now with spitfire super color! TM*
2 Ottofar: wolfchild, Bandages
1 Toaster: weird beard
1 USEC_OFFICER: Lonewolf I
2 Bandages: USEC_OFFICER, Ottofar
0 Taco Dan:
2 LonewolfI: Taco Dan, Thendash
0 Thendash:
0 wolfchild:
0 weird beard:
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Only 33 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=June&day=30&year=2010&hour=9pm&min=&sec=&p0=159)
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Good show wolfy. You've got the basics of scumhunting, but lack subtlety. Keep it up. Unvote
USEC_OFFICER, very punny. What do you think of wolfchild so far?
All I can say is that he has posted a lot. And changed his vote once, due to him baiting? Taco Dan. Not much to say besides that.
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Having read into the games ottofar has played i must agree with his assesment that he is still a beginer so unvote
Hmm i have not even heard from thendash yet, maby i missed something but i would like to make him post
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Good show wolfy. You've got the basics of scumhunting, but lack subtlety. Keep it up. Unvote
USEC_OFFICER, very punny. What do you think of wolfchild so far?
All I can say is that he has posted a lot. And changed his vote once, due to him baiting? Taco Dan. Not much to say besides that.
Yes, but tell me, how do you feel about this large amount of posting. o.q
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Wolfchild: Haven't heard from me? I've posted twice already.
Haven't heard of me? This is my very first mafia game so that's probably why.
Unvote, thank you for answering my question. I figured that it'd be better to save my vote for someone I truly deam scummy rather then throw it around randomly like at the start. Since as toaster said, as town my only real tool I have is my vote.
Taco Dan: You don't seem to care too much about your vote. Your first vote was against the person that voted for you and you asked if they had a better reason and yet you did not provide a reason yourself as to why you voted them. Then your second vote was again without a given reason. A defensive vote and a random vote both with no reasons given seems kind of scummy to me.
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Bandages: Since you thought before you posted, what was your thinking in putting a third vote on Ottofar?
Unvote
To be honest I haven't been keeping track of who has how many votes except for myself. It was just a defensive reaction to vote for the person who voted for me in the first round. Could we get a list of who has how many votes cast against them so far? That would be infinately helpful.
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Vote count ahoy!
0 Ottofar:
2 Toaster: weird beard, Taco Dan
1 USEC_OFFICER: Lonewolf I
2 Bandages: USEC_OFFICER, Ottofar
1 Taco Dan: Thendash
0 LonewolfI:
1 Thendash: wolfchild
0 wolfchild:
0 weird beard:
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Taco Dan: If you were scum and someone got your scumbuddy lynched, would you kill them in the night that night?
Ottofar: Who do you think is the scummiest so far? Why do you think I'm voting you and not Taco Dan?
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i can admit o being entirely confused as to who is and is not scum, but i reaaly dont want to vote some1 who already has one, unless i get a scum vibe from em, so threndas im sorry im staying on you till i get scum vibes from somebody,
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Wolf, we're still smack dab in the middle of RVS (Random Voting Stage). Sure, we're looking for people acting scummy, but that's almost secondary to us sizing each other up and solidifying first impressions.
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Wolf, we're still smack dab in the middle of RVS (Random Voting Stage). Sure, we're looking for people acting scummy, but that's almost secondary to us sizing each other up and solidifying first impressions.
well im new to this, i admit to deliberatly avioding bandwagoning, though i will break a tie
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Taco Dan: If you were scum and someone got your scumbuddy lynched, would you kill them in the night that night?
Probably, but I'm not, so I won't.
Vote count ahoy!
0 Ottofar:
1 Toaster: weird beard
1 USEC_OFFICER: Lonewolf I
2 Bandages: USEC_OFFICER, Ottofar
1 Taco Dan: Thendash
1 LonewolfI: Taco Dan,
1 Thendash: wolfchild
0 wolfchild:
0 weird beard:
I believe I voted for Toaster and not Lonewolf I.
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Wolf, we're still smack dab in the middle of RVS (Random Voting Stage). Sure, we're looking for people acting scummy, but that's almost secondary to us sizing each other up and solidifying first impressions.
well im new to this, i admit to deliberatly avioding bandwagoning, though i will break a tie
If everyone avoided bandwagoning at all costs, we'd never get anywhere. Just make sure you have a very good reason for casting a vote on someone who already has 2+ votes, so that you can explain why you did it if someone calls you on it.
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Taco Dan: You don't seem to care too much about your vote. Your first vote was against the person that voted for you and you asked if they had a better reason and yet you did not provide a reason yourself as to why you voted them. Then your second vote was again without a given reason. A defensive vote and a random vote both with no reasons given seems kind of scummy to me.
I don't know, maybe it's because I'm new to this.
But maybe you're voting against me because I voted your scumbuddy Toaster? I think you two are the scum, I can feel it in the air.
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Wolf, we're still smack dab in the middle of RVS (Random Voting Stage). Sure, we're looking for people acting scummy, but that's almost secondary to us sizing each other up and solidifying first impressions.
If anybody's got a serious vote that's not totally random, I would recommend speaking up ASAP. I've noticed that once one person stops random voting, everybody else stops in short order.
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USEC_Officer, why haven't you changed your vote since the start of the game? Planning on sneakily offing me are ya?
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I believe I voted for Toaster and not Lonewolf I.
Thank you.
Also please never edit your posts, this goes for everyone in every game.
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Ye oldie vote count:
1 Ottofar: Toaster
2 Toaster: weird beard, Taco Dan
2 USEC_OFFICER: Lonewolf I, Bandages
2 Bandages: USEC_OFFICER, Ottofar
1 Taco Dan: Thendash
0 LonewolfI:
1 Thendash: wolfchild
0 wolfchild:
0 weird beard:
The day ends in very soon (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=June&day=30&year=2010&hour=9pm&min=&sec=&p0=159), less than 11 hours as of the time of this posting. If there is a tie there will be a no lynch.
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Do we need an extension? It doesn't look like we're much ready to lynch.
Still waiting to hear from you, Ottofar.
Bandages, do you think people still view you as an easy lynch target?
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I will need a 1/3 vote to make a extension. Votes against the extension count as negative one.
IE: If two people are voting for a extension in a nine player game and than one votes against they will need two more to vote for the extension.
Please bold anything you want me to see.
One extension heard. Two more needed to add 24 hours to the deadline.
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You guys need an extension.
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Ya, really.
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6 hours left until Day 1 ends, and you guys are still in RVS by the looks of it. Damn.
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USEC_Officer, why haven't you changed your vote since the start of the game? Planning on sneakily offing me are ya?
No. Since this is still the random voting stage, there is no real reason for me changing my vote. I might also say that Ottofar has not changed his vote on you as well, yet you are not accusing him.
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Yah, yah, double post. Needed to do some research.
Good show wolfy. You've got the basics of scumhunting, but lack subtlety. Keep it up. Unvote
USEC_OFFICER, very punny. What do you think of wolfchild so far?
All I can say is that he has posted a lot. And changed his vote once, due to him baiting? Taco Dan. Not much to say besides that.
Yes, but tell me, how do you feel about this large amount of posting. o.q
That he is on the internet a lot? That he feels the need to contribute? He does seem to have read over old Mafia games. (Make of it what you will.)
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Yea, im having a really hard time thinking of who is scum, i dont think we have left the random voting stage yet.
so Extention
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Is an extension for 24 hours?
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Extension granted
New deadline is on July 1 (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=july&day=1&year=2010&hour=9pm&min=&sec=&p0=159)
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Bandages, do you think people still view you as an easy lynch target?
I'm not certain. I know my last game was played poorly. Because it was my first, I'm sure people would give me a mulligan on it.
USEC_OFFICER, it seems suspicious that during the RVS, you'd be so unwilling to change your vote from someone who has a slight lead over others. Why do you feel like leaving me with two votes when some others have none towards them?
Ottofar, the same question for you.
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Actually i think bandages has a good point USEC, and you have been almost invisible during this session so unvote
Defend youreself USEC_Officer
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Is that some subtle buddying there, wolfchild, or are you just following the lead of your scum partner?
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Wolfchild, complimenting someone in any way, for any reason, in any situation is a scumtell called "buddying". Scum do it to get townies on their side and effectively garner an extra vote for the scumteam to use. I know it's a fairly jarring shift in socializing, and it makes everyone on the board seem like jerks during games, but you'll get used to it.
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Unvote. Allright TACO Dan, you're new like me so I'll give you a break, but I'm still watching you.
Ottofar, you randomly voted for bandages after USEC had already voted for him, plus both you and USEC have been fairly lurky. Seems to me that either you're both scum or you're trying to start a bandwagon on bandages. I vote ottofar but I'm watching you as well USEC_Officer.
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Wolfchild, complimenting someone in any way, for any reason, in any situation is a scumtell called "buddying". Scum do it to get townies on their side and effectively garner an extra vote for the scumteam to use. I know it's a fairly jarring shift in socializing, and it makes everyone on the board seem like jerks during games, but you'll get used to it.
but i was just saying he made a good point, arrghh, how am i supposed to justify my vote then
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With your own evidence and questions. If you think he's going down the right track in his scumhunting, just let him go. You don't need to get involved unless you want to push the investigation in a different direction.
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Is Eduren still here? I have heard a rumor he has gone-a-missing.
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He's requested a replacement in Monks and Masons, so I'd say you heard right.
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Bandages, do you think people still view you as an easy lynch target?
I'm not certain. I know my last game was played poorly. Because it was my first, I'm sure people would give me a mulligan on it.
USEC_OFFICER, it seems suspicious that during the RVS, you'd be so unwilling to change your vote from someone who has a slight lead over others. Why do you feel like leaving me with two votes when some others have none towards them?
Ottofar, the same question for you.
Frankly, I couldn't care less if I was the only one voting for you. Since you can't accept the fact that you could be lynched, and are trying your hardest to prevent it, strikes me as kinda scummy. I'll also point out that fact that toaster has been on several other mafia games. And, since him and me were tied with you to be lynched, I could say that you are picking on me because of my lesser experience. (However you could just be aggressive.)
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Since you can't accept the fact that you could be lynched, and are trying your hardest to prevent it[/b], strikes me as kinda scummy. I'll also point out that fact that toaster has been on several other mafia games. And, since him and me were tied with you to be lynched, I could say that you are picking on me because of my lesser experience. (However you could just be aggressive.)
This strikes you as scummy? This is self-preservation...
Are you so desperate for scumtells that you need to start making them up, scum?
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EBWOP (Edit By Way Of Post)
Frankly, I couldn't care less if I was the only one voting for you. Since you can't accept the fact that you could be lynched, and are trying your hardest to prevent it, strikes me as kinda scummy. I'll also point out that fact that toaster has been on several other mafia games. And, since him and me were tied with you to be lynched, I could say that you are picking on me because of my lesser experience. (However you could just be aggressive.)
Fixed the wonky quote.
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Frankly, I couldn't care less if I was the only one voting for you. Since you can't accept the fact that you could be lynched, and are trying your hardest to prevent it, strikes me as kinda scummy. I'll also point out that fact that toaster has been on several other mafia games. And, since him and me were tied with you to be lynched, I could say that you are picking on me because of my lesser experience. (However you could just be aggressive.)
Well I feel "You don't want to lose" is a pretty flimsy argument seeing as no player in the game would want to be lynched, scum or not. The reason I chose you over toaster is because toaster is a lot less lurk-y and because he has been actively scumhunting (or if he is scum, actively pretending to scumhunt), where as you just kinda dropped a vote on me and sat there with it on, and faded back into lurking.
and I'm trying to be aggressive ;) Scum hunting is a bloodsport.
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Yaknow what? Unvote
UESC_Officer what have you got against self-preservation, hmm? Trying to pin the scum on someone else, maybe? Making up scumtells is classic scum behavior.
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Replacement needed, due to network problems.
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Yaknow what? Unvote
UESC_Officer what have you got against self-preservation, hmm? Trying to pin the scum on someone else, maybe? Making up scumtells is classic scum behavior.
Aaaaand Taco Dan - You voted USEC_OFFICER and the only reasons you gave are a rehash of my arguments. Not only a more subtle form of buddying, but also a fairly blatant act of bandwagoning. Explain yourself.
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Otto is dead. All hail Diablous.
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Diablous is replacing Otto is what I am saying.
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Greetings everyone! Allow me to take the time to read through the thread.
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Welcome!
Since my question to Ottofar is out of date, I'll ask you this instead: Out of the current players, who would you most want to be on your team as scum? Who do you think would be hardest to read as scum?
(Still kinda RVSish when we're starting to move out of it, but I wanted to pick your brain. Plus, I'm sure you will be giving us your suspicions anyway. Right?)
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Its that time again. Vote Count!
1 Diablous: Thendash
2 Toaster: weird beard, Taco Dan
4 USEC_OFFICER: Lonewolf I, Bandages, wolfchild, Taco Dan
2 Bandages: USEC_OFFICER, Diablous
0 Taco Dan:
0 Lonewolf I:
0 Thendash:
1 wolfchild: Toaster
0 weird beard:
Not voting:
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Yaknow what? Unvote
UESC_Officer what have you got against self-preservation, hmm? Trying to pin the scum on someone else, maybe? Making up scumtells is classic scum behavior.
Aaaaand Taco Dan - You voted USEC_OFFICER and the only reasons you gave are a rehash of my arguments. Not only a more subtle form of buddying, but also a fairly blatant act of bandwagoning. Explain yourself.
So just because I had the same reasons as you, and you just happened to post those reasons first, I'm supposed to make up new reasons? I don't think so.
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Welcome!
Since my question to Ottofar is out of date, I'll ask you this instead: Out of the current players, who would you most want to be on your team as scum? Who do you think would be hardest to read as scum?
(Still kinda RVSish when we're starting to move out of it, but I wanted to pick your brain. Plus, I'm sure you will be giving us your suspicions anyway. Right?)
Of course I'll give my suspicions. But first, your question. I would want either you or Lonewolf on my team as scum. You guys strike me as the more skilled players here. I would want the more skilled players to be either on my side or dead.
Now, for my suspicions. Hmm, I would say my top suspicions are USEC_OFFICER and Taco Dan.
USEC: Never changed his random vote at the start. Then lots of active lurking, never contributing much. When he finally gives "justification" to his vote, he said that Bandages was trying his hardest to prevent him getting lynched. I don't find someone trying not to die very scummy on it's own. Also, Bandages actions seems like someone calling out another player for leaving a reasonless random vote on him all game. USEC's response that he is trying to keep himself(Bandages) from getting lynched seems like him making shit up to justify his vote.
Taco: Does not seem to care about where his vote lies. Since their vote is the only weapon a townie has against the scum, a townie should care a lot more about where their vote goes. It would make sense for the scum to not care about their vote since they have the night kill. He also just resaid what Lonewolf has stated about USEC, and voted for USEC after Lonewolf. Not exactly the most subtle way to bandwagon. All in all, though, I consider USEC to be way more scummy than Taco.
pre post edit: Yaknow what? Unvote
UESC_Officer what have you got against self-preservation, hmm? Trying to pin the scum on someone else, maybe? Making up scumtells is classic scum behavior.
Aaaaand Taco Dan - You voted USEC_OFFICER and the only reasons you gave are a rehash of my arguments. Not only a more subtle form of buddying, but also a fairly blatant act of bandwagoning. Explain yourself.
So just because I had the same reasons as you, and you just happened to post those reasons first, I'm supposed to make up new reasons? I don't think so.
Just restating what another says is buddying and bandwagoning, and is scummy. Expanding on it, putting in your opinions and thoughts is not scummy.
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Can we get this over with and lynch me? Yes, there is eight hours left, but I'm clearly going to die.
Whatever saying there is to get me lynched faster. (Can't remember it.)
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Shorten, is what I think you are asking for.
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I'm not going to comment (or vote either way) on a shorten at this point.
I do want this out before we see a day end, though:
Unvote. Vote Taco Dan.
I just did a thread reread, and you're really standing out to me. First, you vote me for basically no reason, without bothering to put a question with it.
Hmm, you have been a pirate before, you downgraded to mafia now TACO DAN?
wolfchild, is that your only reason? Or can you back it up?
You're awfully jumpy here. That was just a random vote, and you take it like a real vote.
Taco Dan: If you were scum and someone got your scumbuddy lynched, would you kill them in the night that night?
Probably, but I'm not, so I won't.
I didn't ask you if you were scum, yet you're quick to tell me you aren't.
UESC_Officer what have you got against self-preservation, hmm? Trying to pin the scum on someone else, maybe? Making up scumtells is classic scum behavior.
Clear bandwagon. You're the fourth vote on him with no original reasoning.
It's pretty apparent you won't be going today, but rest assured I'll be coming after you tomorrow.
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Shorten. Every Townie must do his duty. (And get lynched.)
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Unvote. I'm not too sure how to react to a replacement but if ottofar was having legitimate internet problems then there goes most of my suspicions. My next suspicion is USEC_Officer for reasons I already stated in my last post, so I will shorten and finish this scum.
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I would like to request a shorten as well.
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Meh, i have made my decision as well Shorten
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Shortens heard the day is ending.
0 Diablous:
2 Toaster: weird beard, Taco Dan
5 USEC_OFFICER: Lonewolf I, Bandages, wolfchild, Taco Dan, Diablous
1 Bandages: USEC_OFFICER,
0 Taco Dan: Toaster
0 Lonewolf I:
0 Thendash:
0 wolfchild:
0 weird beard:
Not voting: Thendash
You all gather around USEC_OFFICER... it must be done... you must kill today...
Bang...
You stand around his body as if waiting for something to happen... nothing does...
You check his wallet to see if there is anything... you notice that he has no money... only overdue bills for a credit card...
Obviously no one was paying this Towny off.
It is now night, you are not allowed to post at night, night will end on Monday in 96 (I think) hours.
Anyone who has a night action should now Pm me.
Night can end faster if the Pms come in faster.
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You all wake up and make your way to the station... all but one of you that is Diablous is missing! You all run to his home to find out where he is and a gruesome sight greets you. Diablous is siting in his chair face swelled and discolored with a great red mark around his neck. He must have been strangled last night! Obviously this was the work of the mafia you are trying to catch, a warring perhaps of what will happen to all of you if you do not catch them.
Vote count:
0 Toaster:
0 Bandages:
0 Taco Dan:
0 Lonewolf I:
0 Thendash:
0 wolfchild:
0 weird beard:
Not voting: Thendash, Toaster, Bandages, Taco Dan, Lonewolf I, wolfchild, weird beard
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Me? Chosen for the kill? Bah! Spoiled Spectate plz. Good luck, town!
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Don't tell no one.
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I promise.
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wolfchild - reading back, it seems like you know a lot more than a typical newbie would, or at least have been reading the wiki. I think your buddying earlier wasn't an accident. Your vote on USEC was just a call to stop lurking, too. No attack. That's a count of bandwagoning as well.
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Taco Dan - I've been looking back over your earlier posts and I saw you were caught by wolfchild early on with a scumtell and then pleaded to not knowing as your excuse, and then continued to play that card until the end of day 1. Even I, who effed up completely last game, have learned the basics of what is scummy and not from just one game and looking at a few others. I think maybe you might know a bit more than you let on, and the whole "I am new and what is this" is an act.
Unrelated: Just what exactly does the town IC do? Two games I've been in and I haven't seen a single helpful post from either.
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They're supposed to help out if town is struggling. The reason you haven't seen them be active is because they think we're doing well.
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They should also be defining terms and pointing out mistakes.
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I'm not supposed to actively push anybody.
Don't let anybody go until you think you know their alignment. If your attacks aren't working, come from another direction. Letting attacks go too early is a mistake that experience players make. I'm worried some of you are letting others go because they're newbies. Don't do that.
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I'm not supposed to actively push anybody.
Don't let anybody go until you think you know their alignment. If your attacks aren't working, come from another direction. Letting attacks go too early is a mistake that experience players make. I'm worried some of you are letting others go because they're newbies. Don't do that.
hey hey, read my newest attack attempt : o
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And that is why I don't IC.
Or rather why I will not IC in the future if I get a chance.
Hard to know what to do. Maybe some day though.
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hey hey, read my newest attack attempt : o
I wasn't saying anything to anybody in particular there.
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I suspect taco dan. He bandwaggoned on to a townie kill just as scum would to try to divert attention from themselves. He's been accused of buddying AND Diablous pointed the finger at him as scum just before he died. Seems a bit shifty to me.
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Hmm taco dan you have been a sly one, changing you're vote like that, and hopping on with the bandwagon(i admit i started) on USEC,
wolfchild - reading back, it seems like you know a lot more than a typical newbie would, or at least have been reading the wiki. I think your buddying earlier wasn't an accident. Your vote on USEC was just a call to stop lurking, too. No attack. That's a count of bandwagoning as well.
I read through the supernatural mafia before signing up to play this one, before then the closest i have come is a game of "murder in the dark" but that was years ago, im also not good at interpersonal things at all, it shows yes?
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Bandages and wolfchild are being way too eager to start a bandwagon on Taco Dan. Neither of you had an argument when you first voted USEC, either.
Hmm taco dan you have been a sly one, changing you're vote like that, and hopping on with the bandwagon(i admit i started) on USEC,
Bandwagons are never a good thing. Out of your own mouth you condemn yourself!
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Bandages and wolfchild are being way too eager to start a bandwagon on Taco Dan. Neither of you had an argument when you first voted USEC, either.
Hey, I don't want to be held accountable for other people voting the same way I do. Also, I feel like I had a fairly solid (or at least the only viable) argument against USEC when he refused to change his vote no matter how suspicous it looked.
wolfchild, why would you cast a third vote so soon in the day when the person you voted for has done nothing different from other members of the group that voted for USEC? It seems odd that you would be so quick to draw attention to yourself and taco dan.
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theres a third vote? unvote i know you wont believe me but i didnt count em, i just knew i wanted to voet him afer usec, now i dont no who to vote
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I believe I have cracked this case, gentlemen!
First up, I believe I mentioned Taco Dan. See my post here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59066.msg1367727#msg1367727) for why. I'm eagerly anticipating his reply to this, as he never did yesterday.
Scum number 2? Wolfchild. Today he starts off his vote on TD, then... backs off it when called on a bandwagon? You wanted to vote him but you don't want to appear like a bandwagon? Scum, scum, scum. Townies don't apologize for their actions (like you did on the USEC vote). You're acting like you don't want to appear scummy, but in doing so, you flood the room with scummitude. I damn near want to take you out first over TD.
And that's just today! Look at yesterday- first thing that happens is an interplay between TD and WC. That's a nice attempt at distancing, but it's too blunt, and now painfully obvious. Once they go back and forth a bit, they unvote and go their merry way onto other people.
Go ahead- try and refute me.
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ok toaster what you said about dont want to appear bandwagoning, ive been told time and again its bad, and this is my 1st game so im cautious, i had no real reasons of my own as to why taco should be voted because i have been swayed by other peoples arguements, and if i was scum and he was, why would i vote him at all?
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You blew your chance at not appearing to bandwagon when you voted him. If you have sound arguments to back up your vote, it's fine. A "me too" vote does not help your case. "I had no reasons of my own" really doesn't help your case. If you really think he's scum, read over his old posts and look for more reasons.
Second question- it's called bussing, as in "to throw under the bus." It's where scum A is clearly lynch bait, so scum B votes him to look more townie.
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well then vote me if you must, im new to the game and have made bad decisions already, maby itl help the town if you destroy me anyway, and i am realy not good at making my own decisions, perhaps i should just not play mafia, but off that topic, i think perhaps Bandages Has been acting scummy, but then all the newbs have, we dont know better
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well then vote me if you must, im new to the game and have made bad decisions already, maby itl help the town if you destroy me anyway, and i am realy not good at making my own decisions, perhaps i should just not play mafia, but off that topic, i think perhaps Bandages Has been acting scummy, but then all the newbs have, we dont know better
Would you like to tell me how exactly I've been acting scummy?
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@Toaster: Even if you're scum, you're being very helpful to the town. Good job!
well then vote me if you must, im new to the game and have made bad decisions already, maby itl help the town if you destroy me anyway, and i am realy not good at making my own decisions, perhaps i should just not play mafia, but off that topic, i think perhaps Bandages Has been acting scummy, but then all the newbs have, we dont know better
Please continue playing, but if you decide to quit, at least tell us ASAP so we can arrange a replacement for you, and the game can continue. It's nice to the rest of the players.
If you're faking giving up, don't. The problem with "giving up" is that it then forces the town to lynch you. Either you're a bad, bad townie that the town is better off without, or you're scum trying to do a gambit. Either way, you're the obvious lynch target. And once there's a lynch target for the day, it's difficult (but not impossible) to get more scumhunting done. If you're feeling discouraged that people suspect you, don't be. It's the point of the game. If you get discouraged whenever things aren't going 100% your way, you're not going to be having fun playing mafia. Even the best of us get massive amounts of suspiscion for no reason. Shit happens, don't worry about it too much. It's a game. Besides, if you're town, just calmly explain why you think Bandages is scum. Don't worry too much about appearing scummy. I mean, don't post if your reasoning is bullshit, but don't fret about appearing town-like. Your towniness will show through in the end, and if it doesn't, well, at least you learned something and had fun. And if you're scum, look for townies doing things more scummy than you! Get the moronic townies to vote for the poor bastard!
Yeah, yeah, I'm supposed to be helping the town, blah blah blah. I don't care.
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@Toaster: Even if you're scum, you're being very helpful to the town. Good job!
well then vote me if you must, im new to the game and have made bad decisions already, maby itl help the town if you destroy me anyway, and i am realy not good at making my own decisions, perhaps i should just not play mafia, but off that topic, i think perhaps Bandages Has been acting scummy, but then all the newbs have, we dont know better
Please continue playing, but if you decide to quit, at least tell us ASAP so we can arrange a replacement for you, and the game can continue. It's nice to the rest of the players.
If you're faking giving up, don't. The problem with "giving up" is that it then forces the town to lynch you. Either you're a bad, bad townie that the town is better off without, or you're scum trying to do a gambit. Either way, you're the obvious lynch target. And once there's a lynch target for the day, it's difficult (but not impossible) to get more scumhunting done. If you're feeling discouraged that people suspect you, don't be. It's the point of the game. If you get discouraged whenever things aren't going 100% your way, you're not going to be having fun playing mafia. Even the best of us get massive amounts of suspiscion for no reason. Shit happens, don't worry about it too much. It's a game. Besides, if you're town, just calmly explain why you think Bandages is scum. Don't worry too much about appearing scummy. I mean, don't post if your reasoning is bullshit, but don't fret about appearing town-like. Your towniness will show through in the end, and if it doesn't, well, at least you learned something and had fun. And if you're scum, look for townies doing things more scummy than you! Get the moronic townies to vote for the poor bastard!
Yeah, yeah, I'm supposed to be helping the town, blah blah blah. I don't care.
im getting discouraqged because every move i make seems to be the wrong one, but im not quitting, just saying hat im obviously not up to the level that these guys are, even the other newbs
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I think you're worrying too much about how other people see you, which is in fact scummy. You should be focusing more on catching scum (or pretending to catch scum).
Here's a hint: If you're thinking about not doing something because you're worried other people will think you're scummy for doing so, do it.
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I think you're worrying too much about how other people see you, which is in fact scummy. You should be focusing more on catching scum (or pretending to catch scum).
Here's a hint: If you're thinking about not doing something because you're worried other people will think you're scummy for doing so, do it.
well then, i still dont have any solid proof but taco dan just hits me as scum
so unvote, taco dan
P.S. damn american way of spelling colour
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I think you're worrying too much about how other people see you, which is in fact scummy. You should be focusing more on catching scum (or pretending to catch scum).
Here's a hint: If you're thinking about not doing something because you're worried other people will think you're scummy for doing so, do it.
well then, i still dont have any solid proof but taco dan just hits me as scum
so unvote, taco dan
P.S. damn american way of spelling colour
Well then, I, Mr. Person the Grey (or is it Gray? Damn British spellings), have completed my task of helping you along.
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ps maby u shoulda done damn Ausi spellings, cause thats were i am, we have less differences between UK english and Australian english than both have between US english but they exist....Somewhere
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I'd like to keep the thread at least vaguely on-topic.
(I only say that because if I talk, I'll sound like a moron by talking out my ass. But hey, we should be keeping the thread on-topic anyways, so why not use that fact to my advantage.)
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And wolfchild's back on the bandwagon once again.
wolfchild, why would you cast a third vote so soon in the day when the person you voted for has done nothing different from other members of the group that voted for USEC? It seems odd that you would be so quick to draw attention to yourself and taco dan.
No vote. Not even a FoS. (Finger of Suspicion. That's when the name is blue. Means you think they're scum but already have your vote on some other scum.)
well then vote me if you must, im new to the game and have made bad decisions already, maby itl help the town if you destroy me anyway, and i am realy not good at making my own decisions, perhaps i should just not play mafia, but off that topic, i think perhaps Bandages Has been acting scummy, but then all the newbs have, we dont know better
Then wolfchild practically OMGUS's him. Looks like an attempt to put distance between them. Bandages may be getting ready to bus him, without trying to look obvious about it.
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Unvote.
Congrats, wolfchild, you're now well scummier than Taco Dan. When called on backing off your vote, you jump right back on it, still without original reasoning.
(Mr. Person covered it pretty well, but to sum it up again- if you act without explaining why you act, it tends to look scummier than if you tell everyone why you're doing that. Remember, the town gains nothing from withholding reasoning of your actions. The scum team is the informed team- the more information the town has, the better we are at catching the scum.)
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Nice job Mr. P.
I would like to add that I turn my worrying about other people into rage that I than attack the people I think are scum with.
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Did I forget a day end time? Damn I think I did. The Day will end at midnight UTC time on Wednesday/Thursday. So around 67 hours I think.
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im not changing my vite now, even if you guys move, i KNOW(read i will look like a fool most likely) that taco is scum so vote me if you must, and when is revealed im town you will go and vote taco
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Okay, okay, guys, I know I'm not good at this but seriously? Me? What have I done?
I have a suspicion that Toaster is scum. Why? He's been trying to bring up points that have already been explained and calling people out for lying, laying suspicion on other people, so he can save his ass.
That said, I'm sorry if my obvious bandwagoning seemed like scummy behavior, what I should've said is that LonewolfI had a good point, but obviously I was wrong.
Hey, wolfchild, calm down a little, the day's just started, by the time it ends someone else will have shown up, and they'll forget all about you.
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I will try my hand at a little Icing here.
im not changing my vite now, even if you guys move, i KNOW(read i will look like a fool most likely) that taco is scum so vote me if you must, and when is revealed im town you will go and vote taco
You don’t really say this, it is tempting I know but don’t. The fact is you don’t know Taco is scum unless you are scum with him so if you are wrong and they do lynch him you wasted a day. If you know you are going to be lynched and want them to lynch somebody the next day gather every bit of evidence and accuse them, it will lend weight to your words if you die and let the others to decide if they think he is scum. Also the whims of the town are fickle if you keep playing and play good they may not lynch you.
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Okay, okay, guys, I know I'm not good at this but seriously? Me? What have I done?
I have a suspicion that Toaster is scum. Why? He's been trying to bring up points that have already been explained and calling people out for lying, laying suspicion on other people, so he can save his ass.
That said, I'm sorry if my obvious bandwagoning seemed like scummy behavior, what I should've said is that LonewolfI had a good point, but obviously I was wrong.
Hey, wolfchild, calm down a little, the day's just started, by the time it ends someone else will have shown up, and they'll forget all about you.
Already been explained? Nonsense. You replied to someone calling you on point 3, and 1 I'm sure you'll say is your "random" vote, but 2 is untouched. Anyway, your explanations don't measure up. And of course, your next step is to try and throw suspicion on me to save yourself. Nice try. Your attack might be better received if you delivered examples, and if your reason itself was better than "he's scumhunting so he must be scum!"
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Fine, whatever, you guys lynch me if you want. Just don't say I didn't tell you so when the mafia wins.
My vote still stands.
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That reminds me to vote count:
1 Toaster: Taco Dan
0 Bandages:
3 Taco Dan: Bandages, weird beard, wolfchild
0 Lonewolf I:
0 Thendash:
2 wolfchild: Lonewolf I, Toaster
0 weird beard:
Not voting: Thendash
Where are you Thendash?
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i KNOW(read i will look like a fool most likely) that taco is scum...
How exactly do you "know" he's scum? There's a 50% chance there's a cop, are you saying that you are a cop and you searched Taco Dan? If you're the cop and you've hit scum, now might be the time to tell us so that we don't lynch the cop. Sure, you'll probably be night killed unless there's a doctor but we'll at least get to lynch one of the scum in the process which sounds like a good trade to me since there's fewer scum then us. Until you answer to my acusations, I vote wolfchild.
You've been lurky, you've bandwagoned, you flop votes between taco dan and bandages without and real reason given which looks a lot like you're trying to distance yourself from bandages, and you won't give any good reasons as to why you're voting people even though you've been called on it many times.
Sorry I've been away the last few days. I'm Canadian and my Canada Day celebrations lasted until yesterday. So it should go without saying that for the last few days I haven't really been in any condition to play mafia.
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no i dont literaly know, its just a vibe, i cant help that i have no proof
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Okay guys, back from vacation.
Time to drop some knowledge.
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no i dont literaly know, its just a vibe, i cant help that i have no proof
Exactly, you can't go on feeling alone, you gotta have some way to back it up.
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Your gut instinct and a quarter is worth 25 cents.
Add some reasoning to your votes, please.
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no i dont literaly know, its just a vibe, i cant help that i have no proof
Exactly, you can't go on feeling alone, you gotta have some way to back it up.
You should try it sometime.
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no i dont literaly know, its just a vibe, i cant help that i have no proof
Exactly, you can't go on feeling alone, you gotta have some way to back it up.
You should try it sometime.
It's OK for random voting in the first day, but after that you've gotta have some evidence.
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1 Toaster: Taco Dan
0 Bandages:
3 Taco Dan: Bandages, weird beard, wolfchild
0 Lonewolf I:
0 Thendash:
3 wolfchild: Lonewolf I, Toaster, Thendash
0 weird beard:
Not voting:
Day ends in 28 hours.
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Wolfchild - You're only digging yourself deeper with your continual insistence that you don't need proof to vote Taco. If you don't have any proof whatsoever, then just admit that you're lying scum looking for an easy bandwagon.
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I'm afraid the only way to protect my own existence is to vote wolfchild... Though, if I do die, and the mafia is defeated, we all still win regardless. Tough choice...
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So you'd rather no lynch than see wolfchild die?
Interesting!
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Day ends in 7 hours 20 mins.
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Right, people, either you agree with me or not. If you don't, you should be prodding who you suspect. If you do, you should still question those two to help confirm suspicions. Remember, I could be wrong here (I doubt it.)
Weird beard, this goes double for you, as you haven't posted since your one post today. I wouldn't mind more from Bandages as well.
Anyway, to break this tie, I'm going to unvote and switch to voting Taco Dan. As long as one of them goes, I'm good.
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3 Hours.
I am getting the feeling some of you are missing...
Thendash, wolfchild, weird beard:
Seem to be missing. I will be sending out prods.
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3 Hours.
I am getting the feeling some of you are missing...
Thendash, wolfchild, weird beard:
Seem to be missing. I will be sending out prods.
If these guys don't post soon, lynch them.
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Well, I've pretty much accepted death... Goodbye cruel world!
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I'm still here. It's just I've not really had anything more to say. I put my vote on Taco Dan, I gave my reasons. Wolfchild seems shifty too.
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Just so you guys know, I tend to only use the computer a couple hours a day, I'm not the most actively online person. I promise you though, I do follow this thread, I check it every time I log on. I just choose not to open my mouth unless I have something intelligent to say.
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Unvote
Toaster, why switch votes without proof?
Extend. I want an answer.
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I think both Taco Dan and wolfchild are scum and I've already posted my reasons why for both of them so if either of them go I'm happy. This is more or less a post in response to the prod, to show that I am here. I was going to vote for a shorten but I guess that's unecessary now.
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Day ends now.
You all gather around Taco Dan. You don't want to but you know you need to.
Snicker-Snack
You go over his belonging but it becomes painfully obvious he is a Towny
Night ends in 48 hours.
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You all wake up to a single shot in the night. You run to the home of Toaster to find a horrifying sight awaiting you. Toaster head has been shot. At close range. By a shot gun. It is only by the fact he has his name sown into his underwear that you can identify him…
You know that if you do not kill scum today all is lost.
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WOLD CHILD IS QUITING, I NEED A REPLACE.
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If we have a cop, now is the time to reveal if you've hit scum at all this game.
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If we have a cop he should have revealed his info last day. I don't think we have one, or if we did he's long dead. If we have a doctor, I say protect yourself and hope the mafia target you but I wouldn't reveal yourself.
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If a cop died, then they would've flipped cop, not townie.
Those two posts sound quite a bit like rolefishing, though. Bandages, yours is more direct, and I already suspect you of being scum seeing as how you've been posting fairly sparsely yet still played an active role in the lynching of two townies.
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What do you mean "flipped cop, not townie?" Also why is rolefishing so bad right now? It's lylo, when is there ever a better time for a cop to reveal and tell us his info?
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Oh, when someone dies it says what they were. That's what you meant by flipping right? Ok, good point, so we might still have a cop to give us some hard facts and help us out.
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why would wanting a cop to tell us who's scum on the last day for us to kill a scum be scummy?
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If a cop died, then they would've flipped cop, not townie.
Those two posts sound quite a bit like rolefishing, though. Bandages, yours is more direct, and I already suspect you of being scum seeing as how you've been posting fairly sparsely yet still played an active role in the lynching of two townies.
Rolefishing at lylo is generally acceptable since everyone is going to claim anyways. Of course, the only person who's going to make a meaningful claim is a Cop. A Doctor shouldn't claim since that player still has time to block a kill.
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*facepalm*
Right. Lylo.
I'm cop.
TacoDan N1 - Town (Of course)
Wolfchild N2 - Town (Surprisingly)
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Toasted.
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Good luck on the final day! One tip for you all; reread all the posts from the previous days. All of the posts are there, they're not going anywhere. Pay attention to posts made by the dead townies. In particular, focus on players killed in the night. These players were chosen as threats to the scum.
Also, keep a look out for who voted who in what order. In general, players who move their vote on to a large bandwagon tend to be scum trying to capitalize on a group of townies voting another townie.
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Toasted.
What is this supposed to mean?
Wolfchild N2 - Town (Surprisingly)
I'm very surprised by that since he was a the top of my list now. But we also have to remember that there is a chance for a godfather role so I think we should still keep an eye on him just in case. We obviously don't want to lynch him on lylo based on the gamble that he is scum and that he has the godfather role since that just doesn't sound like a good idea at all.
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EBWOP: Never mind on the question to toaster. I thought he was still alive but that was just his bah post.
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Wolfchild N2 - Town (Surprisingly)
I'm very surprised by that since he was a the top of my list now. But we also have to remember that there is a chance for a godfather role so I think we should still keep an eye on him just in case. We obviously don't want to lynch him on lylo based on the gamble that he is scum and that he has the godfather role since that just doesn't sound like a good idea at all.
I was thinking Godfather, too. He and Bandages are the main ones I've seen bandwagoning, and if he really is town, my second choice for scum is weird beard.
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How can it be bandwagoning if I cast the first vote each time? Honest question, I always have assumed bandwagoning was the act of jumping on the bandwagon, not accidentally starting it.
Lonewolf I, right now you're top on my suspect list. Looking back through the thread, you've been confidently casting votes against townies and covering your tracks with a lot of long-winded descriptions of what a town would do, so as to cover your tracks.
Claiming cop with information we all know already is a pretty safe way to pretend to be a cop. Until everyone posts, I can't believe you're the cop. Defend yourself, ye scum.
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Sorry for the double-post, but I know we're not supposed to edit:
Weird Beard, you've done nothing but drop votes on townies. That is incredibly scummy in and of itself, but combined with the fact that you simply lurk 90% of the game, without doing any scumhunting makes me think that you are scum, and are perhaps in cahoots with LonewolfI
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How can it be bandwagoning if I cast the first vote each time? Honest question, I always have assumed bandwagoning was the act of jumping on the bandwagon, not accidentally starting it.
In this case it's not that you jumped on a bandwagon, it's that you stuck with one despite not having reasonable justification for your vote in the first place. Technically not bandwagoning, yes, but very much related and also pretty scummy.
Lonewolf I, right now you're top on my suspect list. Looking back through the thread, you've been confidently casting votes a gainst townies and covering your tracks with a lot of long-winded descriptions of what a town would do, so as to cover your tracks.
You sure you're not getting this game confused with one of my other ones? And where have I been consistently voting townies? Lynching USEC D1 was near random, and I haven't voted any town since...
You're cornered, and you can't find anything on me, so you're making stuff up. Good show, scum.
Claiming cop with information we all know already is a pretty safe way to pretend to be a cop. Until everyone posts, I can't believe you're the cop. Defend yourself, ye scum.
Defend myself from what? False statements? If I only had info that was already known, I wouldn't have claimed. A town result on wolfchild is not common knowledge. If you have already reasoned wolfchild's role and/or alignment from previous posts or from your own role, please give us an explanation. The only way I can think of that you would have that kind of info is if you were scum.
Weird Beard, you've done nothing but drop votes on townies. That is incredibly scummy in and of itself, but combined with the fact that you simply lurk 90% of the game, without doing any scumhunting makes me think that you are scum, and are perhaps in cahoots with LonewolfI
You yourself have done nothing but drop votes on townies without doing any scumhunting...
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In this case it's not that you jumped on a bandwagon, it's that you stuck with one despite not having reasonable justification for your vote in the first place. Technically not bandwagoning, yes, but very much related and also pretty scummy.
Day 1 I started the bandwagon with the only reasonable argument that day, since it was just random voting before that point.
You sure you're not getting this game confused with one of my other ones? And where have I been consistently voting townies? Lynching USEC D1 was near random, and I haven't voted any town since...
You're cornered, and you can't find anything on me, so you're making stuff up. Good show, scum.
Yeah, Toaster wasn't a town or anything. That was sarcasm. Because he was. And you voted for him. But if you want to claim I am making stuff up, then you should actually make sure I am.
A town result on wolfchild is not common knowledge. If you have already reasoned wolfchild's role and/or alignment from previous posts or from your own role, please give us an explanation. The only way I can think of that you would have that kind of info is if you were scum.
While criptfiend never explicitly said he was town, wolf child himself claimed he was town and that he wanted to quit. I assumed that since he was quitting, he had no reason to lie. Call me scum all you want, but it's a completey fair call to make on my part.
You yourself have done nothing but drop votes on townies without doing any scumhunting...
What is your definition of scumhunting? Because mine is "Hunting for scum" which I have been actively doing. Just because I don't change my vote after I think someone is scum doesn't mean that I am not hunting for them. Not to mention, I was scumhunting throughout the first two days, unlike weird beard who dropped one vote post then faded into the crowd. The fact you're defending him just makes it more viable that you two are the scum and that you are working together. Until I hear word from him, though, I can't say for certain.
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Bandages, I looked back at your posts and this is what I've dug up:
Bandages, you've posted once?
Also, there was something strange about our internetz, so I couldn't post before this.
Unvote
Yes, Ottofar, I've only posted once. And so have you apparently. Last game I posted way too early and it ended up causing me to go down looking like a flaming asshole, so this game I've decided to think before I post! Huzzah!
Bandages: Since you thought before you posted, what was your thinking in putting a third vote on Ottofar?
Unvote
To be honest I haven't been keeping track of who has how many votes except for myself. It was just a defensive reaction to vote for the person who voted for me in the first round. Could we get a list of who has how many votes cast against them so far? That would be infinately helpful.
What I see happening here is, someone votes you, so you defensvely vote them back. If you were towny you should have nothing to fear about being voted, especially during rvs, since you should be able to explain your actions. But that's not it, afterwards toaster calls you on third voting ottofar so you immediatly unvote because you feel threatened by the now proven towny toaster discovering your plan to try and start a quick bandwagon on ottofar. This is also probably why you night killed toaster, you were smart though and waited so that it would be harder for us to make a connection. Then since you didn't manage to lynch otto you night killed his replacment.
You then wait a real life day and:
USEC_Officer, why haven't you changed your vote since the start of the game? Planning on sneakily offing me are ya?
Anouther defensive vote in response to a rvs vote. Then:
Actually i think bandages has a good point USEC, and you have been almost invisible during this session so unvote
Defend youreself USEC_Officer
Your scum buddy godfather wolfchild swoops in and puts a third vote on poor USEC. Then Taco Dan falls for your accusations and fourth votes USEC and basically finalizes the day 1 lynch.
I'm not going to outright vote bandages since I think it's kind of unfair right now since we're basiclly down two people, so I'll wait until weird beard posts and wolfchild has gotten a replacment before I make my final descision.
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So is this game still going, or not?
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I assume that no one wants to post.
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A grave situation. No one seems to have anything to post.
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Criptfeind, are you at least there? We could probably go for a few prods and replacements.
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Well we're waiting for the people who haven't posted yet to say something. I've said my peace about who I think is mafia, and defended myself against the accusations towards me.
It's up to the other players to decide whos argument is more convincing.
That said: we really should have the other players post.
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My vote is exactly where I want it for now, and I also am waiting to hear from the others in case they have something damning to say.
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Meh. I'll send out prods in Cript's place.
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Sent prod to weird beard. He and wolf child haven't posted, but wolf already needs a replace. Also, weird hasn't been on since the 7th, so he might need a replace.
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Hello I am here. I have been a bad mod with the no talking, I am sorry. Thank D.
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So the day ends soon doesn't it? Shouldn't we get an extension.
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Ahem, yes the day ends in about 19 hours.
Cough Cough.
My head is foggy, I think I need some pills or some such.
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Prod the mod.
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Me love you long time?
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I know I'm dead, but votecount. Prod the person who is going to get lynched, or whoever is tied for lynching.
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All these beginner's mafia games have taught me is that mafia is a shitty game to play on a forum. :|
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All these beginner's mafia games have taught me is that mafia is a shitty game to play on a forum. :|
It was great until everyone disappeared. Just lynch the lurkers, things will pick up. And if things don't pick up, well, the game was dead anyways.
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The games are good, as long as the players are actually playing, not lurking around. That's why there are prods, forced replacements, and some games have lynch all lurkers policies.
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God damn it. I woke up at like 1 and than started to play red dead redemption. Long story short sorry for missing the day end.
I am going to extend this for 24 hours and get a vote count.
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Okay here is the vote count. We will need to replace Weird beard and wolfchild.
1 Bandages: Lonewolf I
1 Lonewolf I: Bandages
0 Thendash:
0 wolfchild:
0 weird beard:
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Fine, I vote Bandages for the reasons I posted. Hopefully he's scum, hopefully this gets people talking at least.
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Hummm the day ends soon and we are no closer to a replace. Do you guys think I should extend it again or simply end the day?
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If I were you, Cript, I would not drag the day on.
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Beating dead ungulates is fun.
How can I spell ungulates on my first try but I can not get first... or spell?
I am going to end the day in 4.5 hours then.
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And if you left it to the players, they would end the day. If Bandages tries to extend, Lonewolf and thendash would probably over rule them.
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The day has ended! The Mafia has won!
Bandages is lynched!
The mafia were Thendash and weird beard!
The computer I am on is broken!
I can not find the links to the mafia chat!
Can you hand it out please Thendash?
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Too bad for the town, really. I also want a link to the mafia chat. I want to know why I was picked to be killed.
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Fixed it the scum chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/dweH2GrEj7RXK)
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Yay? Kind of a lame victory give the fact that 2 people were away on the last day. Good game town.
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Oh and thanks cript for the modding, twas a fun game.
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Sigh
gg
but at least I was right about weird beard.
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The ending was... odd. Nobody cared. It kinda makes me sad.
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Man, was I wrong. I thought it was Bandages too after I got axed. d=
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It's not my fault I'm insanely good at lynching townies.
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I was utterly wrong throughout the game...
I suck at reading peoples. :P
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I could've sworn it was wolfchild or Bandages. Damn.
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Problem was, while the townies were killing each other, the scum just slipped into the background.
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Happens. Especially in beginners games.