This is my first time.So Im going to be pretty INexperienced.
This is my first time.So Im going to be pretty INexperienced.
This is my first time.So Im going to be pretty INexperienced.
You appear to have a working knowledge of bb-code. That's a hell of a lot more experience than some of the folks I've seen starting out. :P
Jesus Christ not you. At lest put a spoiler around your images.
Cute, shibdib, but if you're posting large images without spoilers during the game, then it's modkill and/or instareplace for you. My internet can handle them fine, but I'm not so sure about the rest of the players.
I wish to play, but if I can play and mete out advice... sure, why not. Just note that it's been a looooong time since my last Mafia game.
Can I Opt. Out?Im not active enough to be in it.
I wish to play.
I wish to play, but if I can play and mete out advice... sure, why not. Just note that it's been a looooong time since my last Mafia game.
Well, that still makes you better than most of the people in Beginner's Mafia.
Aye. Diablous, Vector, wanna be in game ICs?
(Neither is guaranteed to be scum, though either could be. But not both. That'd be cruel.)
(If neither are scum, I will IC the scum team myself until I can find one.)
I wish to play.
This seems slightly odd. Also was it only me that thought the forms died a bit when Vector left and only recovered like a day before she came back?
Aye. Diablous, Vector, wanna be in game ICs?
(Neither is guaranteed to be scum, though either could be. But not both. That'd be cruel.)
(If neither are scum, I will IC the scum team myself until I can find one.)
Note: that means that if you catch the scum IC, the other IC is a CT IC. That's unfair for the scum, so think up another stratagem.
Query- What did happen to avatar.
Query- What did happen to avatar.
I felt like ham, so I switched to ham >_> This may be because I'm considering taking a couple of acting classes when I go back to college, though it may also be just because I'm a dork.
Ahhh, food-based avatars... I don't even understand why I do it anymore, but I guess it kind of makes sense.
Hm, really? It should look like this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Aye. Diablous, Vector, wanna be in game ICs?
I generally think the "IC is not an actual player" approach is better.
Is this still on? Sorry, but there hasn't been a reply in 5 days, so...Welcome to the club!
If it is, I wouldn't mind joining as a beginner, if there are still slots free? Thanks.
Vector, if you were a mafia, who would you want to eliminate during the first night? Who would be your biggest threats in this game?
Rube, putting your name in red makes me think of LCS. Have you played it? Also, of the four possible non-vanilla roles in this game, which do you think is most important to its respective side?
shibdib, have you ever played mafia before? If so have you ever played with any of the people in the current roster?
Of all the roles, I think the Doctor is probably most influencial to the game's outcome. Cop seems like it wouldn't be much use to the Town side, outside of affecting the judgement of the Townie that gets it. Roleblocker and Godfather seem very niche.
Vector; So, you managed to get 'bad learner', 'inactive', 'will need replacing', 'arrogant', 'naive' and 'refuses advice' from Magwebster's two short posts? And then you bandwagoned him..?
I'll vote to even the scores a little, although if you were actually scum you'd probably be less obvious about it.
Even though you don't think he's scummy, you voted him to tie the vote count? That's not a town friendly move. If you don't think he's scum, why aren't you moving on to the next target?
@Vector: You seem to have quite a bit of experience in mafia(judging by your post and the fact that a few people seemed to know you), why are you playing in a beginners game?
As for your observations on me, this is my second game of mafia and my first one was the previous beginner's game so I'd hardly say I have experience.
Vector; So, you managed to get 'bad learner', 'inactive', 'will need replacing', 'arrogant', 'naive' and 'refuses advice' from Magwebster's two short posts? And then you bandwagoned him..?
I'll vote to even the scores a little, although if you were actually scum you'd probably be less obvious about it.
shibdib, have you ever played mafia before? If so have you ever played with any of the people in the current roster?
Mafiwat? Is that like guns, just with suits?
Toaster ... mmmm toast
Vector: Bandages asked who you would off as mafia, but the way you described everyone, it seemed to be more like you were listing dangers to the town. Which is it?
Even though you don't think he's scummy, you voted him to tie the vote count? That's not a town friendly move. If you don't think he's scum, why aren't you moving on to the next target?
I said it was obviously scummy. Don't you find Vector's random character assassination and attempt to start a bandwagon scummy?
Formally request prods for those who have not shown up to the game yet and don't have a previously mentioned excuse.
Which would be...magwebster? Done.
Will forcereplace him if he's not back by Monday night.
Even though you don't think he's scummy, you voted him to tie the vote count? That's not a town friendly move. If you don't think he's scum, why aren't you moving on to the next target?
I said it was obviously scummy. Don't you find Vector's random character assassination and attempt to start a bandwagon scummy?
I'll vote to even the scores a little, although if you were actually scum you'd probably be less obvious about it.
Vector: The first day is not already over, or do you mean real life(TM) day? You seem quick to call out people for lurking, but take into consideration that not everyone has the time to post multiple times a day. As for your question, it's still RVS and not everyone has posted yet so it's not much of a situation. But you seem the most agressive, since you've posted like 6 times to the average 1-2 times of everyone else.
Posting a lot isn't bad if it's helping learn new info.I didn't mean to imply that it's a bad thing.
It damn sure sounds like you're saying he's not scum there. So he's nonscum obvscum? I don't understand your point here.
Unvote, shibdib, you might want to go read up on a few games so you know what's going on.
Ottofar, has yet to post as well so maybe a prod on him too. I'd like to know who you'd want as a scum partner out of the people on the current roster.
Toaster: Well my first game was as scum so I'm interested to see how it all plays out from the, "other side". Hard to apply what I learned as scum to a postion I haven't palyed yet.
Vector: The first day is not already over, or do you mean real life(TM) day? You seem quick to call out people for lurking, but take into consideration that not everyone has the time to post multiple times a day. As for your question, it's still RVS and not everyone has posted yet so it's not much of a situation. But you seem the most agressive, since you've posted like 6 times to the average 1-2 times of everyone else.
@Toaster, I hope not.
Vector, only thing that has caught my eye, is that you say I might be hard to read, yet you list me as undangerous for town. Why?
@Toaster, I hope not.
Vector, only thing that has caught my eye, is that you say I might be hard to read, yet you list me as undangerous for town. Why?
Huh? I was asked which player I would consider most dangerous if I were scum. You're ranked low because you might be hard to read and are self-admittedly "bad."
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USEC_OFFICER, do you think voting is a joking matter? Townies generally value our only tool a little more than that!
Besides, I think Bandages has been lurking too much to attempt to 'off' anyone.
What? It's not like we'll be lynching somebody... Damn it.
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USEC_OFFICER, do you think voting is a joking matter? Townies generally value our only tool a little more than that!
Besides, I think Bandages has been lurking too much to attempt to 'off' anyone.
What? It's not like we'll be lynching somebody... Damn it.
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USEC_OFFICER, do you think voting is a joking matter? Townies generally value our only tool a little more than that!
Besides, I think Bandages has been lurking too much to attempt to 'off' anyone.
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USEC_OFFICER, do you think voting is a joking matter? Townies generally value our only tool a little more than that!
Besides, I think Bandages has been lurking too much to attempt to 'off' anyone.
I changed my vote to USEC_OFFICER here.
Bandages If you were scum, which townie would you try to get lynched?
Bandages: Who is your #2 choice for scum right now? I assume shib is #1, since you're voting him.
Okay, I have a good idea of who might be the scum now.Day 1, I'd try to be invisible, maybe not even voting on the lynch. I'd say for scum on day 1, it's all about the nightkill and then framing someone for it on day 2.
Thendash, Bandages, Ottofar, shibdib: If you were scum, which townie would you try to get lynched?
Not sure yet. I have a few gut feelings, but nothing solid yet.
USEC_OFFICER, do you think voting is a joking matter? Townies generally value our only tool a little more than that!
Besides, I think Bandages has been lurking too much to attempt to 'off' anyone.
There's something like a 12.5% chance Magwebster is scum, and he hasn't said anything at all yet, so I'll back the extension too.
We don't hate you. Joking with your vote instead of scumhunting is pretty suspicious though.
Also - I'm not very good at math, I think it's actually ~23% chance Magwebster is scum. That's higher than I would've assumed, we really need that extension...
Figured joining the game called beginner mafia was a good idea for a beginner... And the edit wasnt the name, and to be honest I dont even remember what it was exactly. Wont happen again tho.
I see. Unvote.
seeing as I am going to get first lynched, again
Rube You seem pretty eager to lynch someone. Why is that?
Rube You seem pretty eager to lynch someone. Why is that?
Unvote. Bandages, is there some reason why you don't want a lynch?
You read something in my post that was not there. Never did I say I was opposed to a lynch. The only thing in my post is the curiosity as to why Rube is so adamant to lynch someone as soon as possible, when we have very few scumtells in this game.
I don't know whether or not you voting for me on something I didn't actually say is scummy, or just telling of poor logical reasoning, but nonethless, I have my eyes on you.
Rube You seem pretty eager to lynch someone. Why is that?
Well what you're saying isn't really an argument for anything other than how you're choosing to wrongly interpret my words... so I don't know how to respond other than say read my last post.
/shrug
1. The literal meaning of your post says nothing about the current state of the game
2. What is giving you the impression that Rube is lynch-happy?
Rube You seem pretty eager to lynch someone. Why is that?
2. His posts, at least recently, have all been concerning the likelihood that easy targets (read: players that haven't been posting at all) are mafia. It's easy for scum to point out that someone is lurking for the sake of drawing attention to them. It's even more likely that a scum will constantly try to nail the point home that a lurker is scummy. This is what Rube has been doing. This is why I asked that question.
You, sir, are sidelining. I also feel like you're sitting here manipulating the crowd (as in your "what do you think about Vector? Isn't she just the scummiest?!" post).
It also seems like you're redirecting us to lurkers, and away from the guy who's currently on the stage (i.e. USEC_OFFICER).
Scatterbrain: What do you think of the town's position at this early point? Who do you feel is handicapping town?
Not sure yet. I have a few gut feelings, but nothing solid yet.
Let's hear them. Better yet, go question the person and get them to talk. How else are we going to get scum to slip up? Sit here and wait for them?
It also seems like you're redirecting us to lurkers, and away from the guy who's currently on the stage (i.e. USEC_OFFICER).
I asked USEC_OFFICER my questions, and my vote still rests on him.
I'm curious about this 'stage' though... I wasn't aware there was there was a stage we should all be concentrating on. I've been persuing my own investigations. You seem unhappy that attention is being turned away from USEC_OFFICER.
You, sir, are sidelining. I also feel like you're sitting here manipulating the crowd (as in your "what do you think about Vector? Isn't she just the scummiest?!" post).
Are you mad that I accused you of being scummy?
vector: a while back, you were asked which people you felt posed most of a threat as scum. a simple question that could have been given a simple answer - maybe whoever you felt were the two or three most dangerous and some basic reasons why - but you took the opportunity to post a fully-blown analysis of everyone in the game. why so?
Vector: Since you specifically called lurkers "scumbuckets", that makes 5 players you just called scummy. You're awfully eager to spread suspicion around. I'm all in favor of following multiple leads, but you look like you're just casting doubt. Do you really think the three you called inactive are that scummy?
Vector is making gargantuan posts that are dripping with scummy things.
Back when USEC_OFFICER had votes piled on him and was actively complaining about how he was about to be lynched, you seemed to be more concerned about lurkers than the guy in the middle.
Redirection to lurkers when an undesired lynch is about to happen is a common scum tactic--especially if "the guy in the middle" hasn't been properly screened and questioned by the folks voting him. Townie lurker-lynches are basically free lynches for the scum, because they don't have to work at them much. Furthermore, anyone who has already been up for lynchery without definitively proving him town via reaction testing is much easier to slide back into the middle, which is good for scum in the end-game. In my opinion the proper protocol is to call out and threaten the lurkers, but not suddenly slide a mountain of votes onto them unless they've been lurking egregiously (i.e. through the second game day or so, especially in a newbie game). Things tend to work better if townies systematically test the reactions of one individual at a time after attempting to provoke reactions en masse during the RVS.
Back when USEC_OFFICER had votes piled on him and was actively complaining about how he was about to be lynched, you seemed to be more concerned about lurkers than the guy in the middle.
Source, please. Also, read my response to Bandages here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.msg1454146#msg1454146) (the response to the second quote, specifically).Redirection to lurkers when an undesired lynch is about to happen is a common scum tactic--especially if "the guy in the middle" hasn't been properly screened and questioned by the folks voting him. Townie lurker-lynches are basically free lynches for the scum, because they don't have to work at them much. Furthermore, anyone who has already been up for lynchery without definitively proving him town via reaction testing is much easier to slide back into the middle, which is good for scum in the end-game. In my opinion the proper protocol is to call out and threaten the lurkers, but not suddenly slide a mountain of votes onto them unless they've been lurking egregiously (i.e. through the second game day or so, especially in a newbie game). Things tend to work better if townies systematically test the reactions of one individual at a time after attempting to provoke reactions en masse during the RVS.
That tactic is terrible. Having individuals be grilled systematically by the town is predictable, and keeps the pressure on only one person (who is statistically unlikely to be scum). I'll stick to my tactics, thank you.
Also, I haven't tried to 'slide a mountain of votes' onto anyone. I haven't even moved my own vote from USEC_OFFICER.
How can I contribute when I'm going to get lynched and everybody thinks I'm scum? As far as I can see, everyone is voting for me because I added a bit of humour and someone misunderstood it. I already apologized for it. If I was actually scum, I could have just lurked and played it cautiously like Thendash did in the last beginner's game (Not just Thendash, but I forget the other guy's name.), and Vector would have been lynched. Instead, I come out with a stupid statement that everybody now hates me for.
@Whoever asked, how would I try to lynch an experienced player,
I'd latch on slightest tell. And all that stuff. I don't really know. Semi-tunnel, having them as your only serious target to avoid suspicion, and throwing meaningless tells there and there. You know, to make anyone not notice that I'm actually tunneling.How can I contribute when I'm going to get lynched and everybody thinks I'm scum? As far as I can see, everyone is voting for me because I added a bit of humour and someone misunderstood it. I already apologized for it. If I was actually scum, I could have just lurked and played it cautiously like Thendash did in the last beginner's game (Not just Thendash, but I forget the other guy's name.), and Vector would have been lynched. Instead, I come out with a stupid statement that everybody now hates me for.
USEC, This is WIFOM, ("If I was scum, why'd I do this or that"). Don't do it.
And Rube, You feel scummy. I don't know why, though.
Vector is making gargantuan posts that are dripping with scummy things.
[citation needed]. What's scummy about making large posts, and what about their contents do you find problematic?
Vector is making gargantuan posts that are dripping with scummy things.
[citation needed]. What's scummy about making large posts, and what about their contents do you find problematic?
Because several mafia I have seen have employed that tactic to say "Hey look I know so much that I must be a helpful town. Gee these people sure look suspicious! Vote for them and not me."
Terse and to-the-point posts are the most effective in this game because of both readability and the fact that they mostly don't draw attention to yourself.
One of the biggest reasons, you're #1 on my scum suspect list so far is because of your long, long, incredibly long posts. This, coupled with the fact that you've already tried to misdirect on others makes you pretty scummy looking. Unless someonefucksup bad soon, I'm going to suggest lynching you for Day 1 based on my suspicions.
[citation needed].
How are you reading these things in my posts? I'm done talking to you, it is beyond reason.
Vector. Next time you get assigned as scum, don't make the same mistakes you made this time.
Your math degree and a quarter will get you twenty five cents.
Don't bring your real life ego into mafia. It's a game.
I'm saying that you've not once answered any questions I've given you. You've made long posts describing the suspiciousness of every other player, and you've been reading things in my posts that haven't been there. Being an asshole to me won't change the fact that you are showing scummy behavior, and threatening "I am so gonna be town when I die" doesn't actually matter, since a mafia could just as easily say that.
This is a flame war. It is stupid. I am done.
I'm getting a lot of scummy vibes from a few different people. I'm gonna re-read the thread then post my findings sometime later today when I have more time.
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Ottofar, I've been waiting for someone to get involved in Vector and my argument for no reason other than we are both drawing attention to ourselves. You offer no reason other than "you are being loud, therefor, easily lynchable". I actually have very little belief Vector is a mafia at this point.
While Rube's examination of mine and Vector's 'fight' is in depth and full of stragetic thought, yours is simple and lacks any real accusation other than "long posts AREN'T scummy, so therefor you are". Also that vote came after lurking for a large portion of this game. Nail in the coffin, my scummy friend.
Vector vs Bandages is striking me as two townies duking it out, while scummier people like Thendash lurk away in the background. Thendash, you said...I'm getting a lot of scummy vibes from a few different people. I'm gonna re-read the thread then post my findings sometime later today when I have more time.
...then never followed through, despite being online. This is one of my favorite scum tells. Please grace us with your presence, and let us know who is vibing scummy to you.
UnvoteThis sort of sounds like Bandages never had the intention to lynch vector the whole time, and was just using the argument as a way to get an easy lynch. That seems pretty scummy to me, but the question is whether or not vector is in on it and is scum as well.
Ottofar, I've been waiting for someone to get involved in Vector and my argument for no reason other than we are both drawing attention to ourselves. You offer no reason other than "you are being loud, therefor, easily lynchable". I actually have very little belief Vector is a mafia at this point.
Unvote.This seems really scummy to me, he was going to vote vector but then someone else(ottofar) voted bandages so he switches his vote. That's a blatent bandwagon, and that's bad.
I'd like to vote Bandages off first, but I'm not sure I'd get any support for that. I'm not 100% sure about Vector - she could've been trying a misguided attempt to help organise town, but I doubt it. I suspect things will go one of two ways;
1. We end up lynching Vector. If she flips scum, vote Bandages off next.
2. Bandages and Vector attempt to get me lynched next. After I flip town, vote them off next please.
fakeedit - nevermind, Ottofar voted Bandages while I was posting. Bandages.
2. Bandages and Vector attempt to get me lynched next. After I flip town, vote them off next please.When people say that, it makes me really suspicious. When I was scum last game, I tried to drop stuff like this whenever I could, not a good tactic at all but I was new and I realise how bad of a tactic it is now.
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Ottofar, I've been waiting for someone to get involved in Vector and my argument for no reason other than we are both drawing attention to ourselves. You offer no reason other than "you are being loud, therefor, easily lynchable". I actually have very little belief Vector is a mafia at this point.
While Rube's examination of mine and Vector's 'fight' is in depth and full of stragetic thought, yours is simple and lacks any real accusation other than "long posts AREN'T scummy, so therefor you are". Also that vote came after lurking for a large portion of this game. Nail in the coffin, my scummy friend.
This seems really scummy to me, he was going to vote vector but then someone else(ottofar) voted bandages so he switches his vote. That's a blatent bandwagon, and that's bad.
Rube: Your last two posts of D1 are scummy. First you throw the third vote on Bandages, then turn around and condemn Bandages for putting the third vote on Vector? Does not compute! This is a meta reason, but you say Ottofar posted while you were typing, yet his post was 47 minutes before yours. Are you BSing us?
Also, how does Bandages town flip affect your suspicions of Vector?
Shibdib, your participation is very lacking. Why do you think Scatterbrain was chosen to be killed?Toaster, you've come out of lurking twice now to call me out for lurking and have posted nothing in between those accusations, where as I have(a rather long post infact). I think you need to get more involved if you want to call people lurkers. Am I happy a towny was lynched? Of course not, I would have much rathered if he was scum. But I still stand by what I said, his posts were confusing people which is bad since all our focus should be on finding scum, not figuring out the meaning of his posts. Why do I think Scatterbrain was killed? He was a replacement, an unknown factor which is potentially dangerous to the scum. Last game me and weirdbeard used out first nightkill to kill diablous which was a replacement and then tried to frame his death on someone. My words of rather little wisdom, if someone tries to connect you with the death of scatterbrain, then be suspicious of them. You are starting to connect his death with me and thus the FOS.
Thendash: Same question to you. Also, you wanted Bandages lynched per your last post- are you happy that he was?
Rube: Your last two posts of D1 are scummy. First you throw the third vote on Bandages, then turn around and condemn Bandages for putting the third vote on Vector? Does not compute! This is a meta reason, but you say Ottofar posted while you were typing, yet his post was 47 minutes before yours. Are you BSing us?
Also, how does Bandages town flip affect your suspicions of Vector?
Shibdib, your participation is very lacking. Why do you think Scatterbrain was chosen to be killed?
Thendash: Same question to you. Also, you wanted Bandages lynched per your last post- are you happy that he was?
Rube: Your last two posts of D1 are scummy. First you throw the third vote on Bandages, then turn around and condemn Bandages for putting the third vote on Vector? Does not compute! This is a meta reason, but you say Ottofar posted while you were typing, yet his post was 47 minutes before yours. Are you BSing us?
Also, how does Bandages town flip affect your suspicions of Vector?
Vector Has avoided any pressure on themselves by redirecting it too other innocent people.
Rube: It just struck me as odd the way you only voted him after someone else second voted him. If you think someone is the scummiest person in the game, why not vote them? Follow your intuition and reasoning, not the crowd.
Well.
Shibdib seems to try to get Vector lynched, based on that he and Scatterbrain were voting for Vector.
Well.
Shibdib seems to try to get Vector lynched, based on that he and Scatterbrain were voting for Vector.
@Vector, I was meaning to say, that as scum, he might've killed Scatterbrain in order to make you look like scum.
I'd like to see Shibdib say something.Well.
Shibdib seems to try to get Vector lynched, based on that he and Scatterbrain were voting for Vector.@Vector, I was meaning to say, that as scum, he might've killed Scatterbrain in order to make you look like scum.
Ok, good. You have a suspicion. Why are you not following up on it?
Toaster: What made you realise Bandages was town here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.msg1457386#msg1457386)?
An unrelated observation: Scatterbrain was night killed. He was an unknown player, having joined just before the end of D1. This makes him suspicious - he's a wildcard to the Town, something they don't yet understand and may fear.
Why night kill an unknown and suspicious player over any of the less suspicious players we have? One reason may be that the less suspicious players are the scum.
Imagine you are scum, and it is night. You must kill a townie. You have 3 scummy townies and 1 townie that never gets suspected to pick from. You would kill the unsuspected townie. This would leave the remaining townies left with only scummy choices, making the game harder for them.
Imagine the above situation, only the scum IS the townie that never gets suspected. They can only pick from the 3 scummy townies now, so they pick the least scummy of the 3 (the least 'valuable'). The townies would see a scummy townie getting night killed while the unsuspected townie (who is actually scum) remains alive.
I believe we are in the above situation. Of course there are other explanations, but they delve into WIFOM logic.
Rube: Nothing specific. Neither player struck me as particularly scummy. It's always possible that two town get misguided and start attacking each other, and I think that's what happened there.
Regarding your observation- for what purpose did you post that? You don't come to any real conclusions with it, and all it does is muddy the waters. If you use something like that to make an accusation, great, but seeding doubt and not attacking with it doesn't help anyone but scum.
Imagine a situation, where you are scum, and you were in the top two suspects in the game. Imagine, you night kill the "wild card", and then accuse the least suspicious player of being scum.
Rube: Nothing specific. Neither player struck me as particularly scummy. It's always possible that two town get misguided and start attacking each other, and I think that's what happened there.
What makes you think Vector is town? I've asked you this before (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.msg1445706#msg1445706), and you never really answered me.
You called Bandages being Town, but didn't seem interested in defending him beyond that when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. Why were you okay with a townie being lynched?
In Mafia, that's basically saying "lynch me now please." Sure about that one?
Vector: Are you glad that the person who wanted a replace was NKed?
USEC: Why did you not vote day 1? Also, your only day 2 post started out by pointing out that shibdib wasn't posting enough. Do you not see an inconsistency there? Did the bad reaction to your D1 joke scare you away from participating?
USEC: So your plan was self-preservation? That's very passive and fairly scummy. Yes, town lynches are bad, but town standing around and letting scum control the game is far worse. Are your going to help your team today?
Vector: That's what I thought you'd say. When I saw Thendash was dead, I tried to think who would kill him. Like you said, a late game/lylo replacement is big trouble for the town, and favors the scum. This is because it is really disruptive to gameplay. So why would scum NK the replace requester? It'd be someone who wants a good fair game. I looked at who'd do that, and you're top candidate, Vector. I thought you may be town early on, but my doubts have been growing. What say you to that?
Also, I would like to ask Vector why she thinks that she wasn't killed in the past two nights? [...] I'm wonder why she thinks an obviously good player wasn't killed. Also, the two killings seems odd to me, and I am inclined to think that one or both of the mafia are good players (Or at least not beginner.) Vector seems a good target to start at.
Standing around as in voting for the person who I think is most scummy?
Also, I would like to ask Vector why she thinks that she wasn't killed in the past two nights? And no, I am not doing this because you are voting for Vector. I'm wonder why she thinks an obvoiusly good player wasn't killed. Also, the two killings seems odd to me, and I am inclined to think that one or both of the mafia are good players (Or at least not beginner.) Vector seems a good target to start at.
Vector: I don't have specific points to bring up, but I feel strongly enough on my current arguments to put a vote on you. Since your rebuttal consists of "I'm town, and look at my past games for meta," I can't say you've given me a reason to change my mind.
My vote goes to USEC, since he has been much scummier than Toaster.
Also, why do you want to know why I think people are town?
I'm not done questioning the rest of you. I'd especially like to hear Rube's opinion of Vector.
Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.msg1444180#msg1444180) you claim you want to make this a good beginner's game. That would be motivation for the night kills we have seen. I've also never seen you do any convincing scumhunting. Your scumhunting seems to consist more of telling people to play better than accusing them of anything, as though you knew who was town already and wanted to give them tips on how to play. Just a vibe I was getting reading back through your posts.
Ottofar: That makes things interesting. Quick questions: Which order did you scan them? Why did you scan them? There's a 50% chance of a godfather this game- do you think one of them is one? If so, which one?
I forgot to unvote last post.
Ottofar: You missed a question- see below. (changed emphasis)Ottofar: That makes things interesting. Quick questions: Which order did you scan them? Why did you scan them? There's a 50% chance of a godfather this game- do you think one of them is one? If so, which one?
I'm pretty sure that I've got this figured out, but I want that answer first.
Also - I'm not very good at math, I think it's actually ~23% chance Magwebster is scum. That's higher than I would've assumed, we really need that extension...
Thanks, Ottofar.Also - I'm not very good at math, I think it's actually ~23% chance Magwebster is scum. That's higher than I would've assumed, we really need that extension...
You should have dropped math here, Rube, because yours doesn't fly.
You're pulling in irrelevant details and leaving out important ones to try to prove yourself town with statistics. It doesn't matter who he could have scanned- it matters who he did scan. I know I'm town. If Ottofar's a cop, he's town. That leaves three scum possibilities. Since we can only have one GF, that would guarantee USEC as scum. Rube, your best defense against the possibility of you being scum is "it's unlikely." The way I see it, 50% is pretty good odds.
Now, it comes down to "Is Ottofar telling the truth?" I believe his claim now, which as I said, means USEC_Officer is scum, and I'm almost positive Rube is his scum buddy.
Again, if your best defense is math, you're hiding that you don't actually have a real case. Math is nice and logical, but it doesn't apply here.
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Ottofor is scum, pretending to be cop; This begs the question, why? Roleclaiming cop will attract a lot of attention. Ottofor got 2 votes at the end of D2, and may have thought roleclaiming cop would divert that attention. Then we look at who he claims he checked - me and Vector. Why pick two people who are still alive in the game if he was lying? It'd be easier and safer to pick someone who was lynched or night killed, who we all know are townies.
Of course he could've been planning on us thinking that, cue WIFOM.
I'd like to hear his answers to all our questions. Especially which order he cop-checked me and Vector.
@USEC, this, and much more, is evidence that you are scummier than Toaster.
The D3 timeline.
1. Toaster and USEC both vote for Vector here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.msg1482095#msg1482095). For the same reason, the night kills.
So you think I'm scum for trying to figure out who's scum? So what if me and toaster both voted for Vector? After all, you, Vector and Ottofar are all voting for me, are you not? Does that mean that you all are scum?
3. Ottofar roleclaims cop, implicating USEC and Toaster as scum. They're both suddenly and mysteriously unsure about their votes, and backtrack here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.msg1484072#msg1484072) and here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.msg1487575#msg1487575).
So your opinions didn't change when Ottofar said he was town? I got new information, and had to reassess my vote. It can take me a while to think everything out.
So you think I'm scum for trying to figure out who's scum? So what if me and toaster both voted for Vector? After all, you, Vector and Ottofar are all voting for me, are you not? Does that mean that you all are scum?
So you think I'm scum for trying to figure out who's scum? So what if me and toaster both voted for Vector? After all, you, Vector and Ottofar are all voting for me, are you not? Does that mean that you all are scum?
Was this directed at me? It was inserted into a quote of mine so I'll assume it was - no, I'm not voting for you. I'm voting for Toaster. Also there's only 2 scum.
Anyway yeah, I'll back an extend. Have you got anything you'd like to add to the recent discussion, Vector? You're being awfully quiet so close to what could be the end of the game.
I don't take "I am a passive, defeatist, cynical, defensive person" as an excuse anymore
All I can do is direct you to prior games (... I'm especially proud of my work in Rysith's Semi-Bastard Mod and Beginner's Mafia 4) and allow you to make your own assessment of my playstyle.
I don't take "I am a passive, defeatist, cynical, defensive person" as an excuse anymoreAll I can do is direct you to prior games (... I'm especially proud of my work in Rysith's Semi-Bastard Mod and Beginner's Mafia 4) and allow you to make your own assessment of my playstyle.
So its okay if you have played a lot of games?
Dismissing probability out of hand because you don't understand it handicaps you, heavily.
Town wins by observing who was lynched, who was night killed, who buddied with who, and who attacked who. Then we look at who would benefit most as scum from all those events, and make a guess. It's all probability.
It's a nice idea that you can play Sherlock and psychologically profile everyone based on how often they correctly punctualise, but it doesn't work when people can take hours to carefully edit their every post. It would only work if we were all sat around a table.
I don't take "I am a passive, defeatist, cynical, defensive person" as an excuse anymoreAll I can do is direct you to prior games (... I'm especially proud of my work in Rysith's Semi-Bastard Mod and Beginner's Mafia 4) and allow you to make your own assessment of my playstyle.
So its okay if you have played a lot of games?
Don't be a fool, USEC. We both know that you can see more clearly than this.
There is a significant difference between "I am a scummy person, please don't lynch me--and also ignore all those other accusations you levied against me and I ignored" and "That's not my scum playstyle, but don't take my word for it. Look yourself."
You see, I am not playing "pin the nightkill on the donkey." That game is pointless. We all know it. All I can do in my defense, when people are voting me in hopes that they've thrown the darts at the right donkey, is say "I am not donkey-shaped. Have some photographs from a couple of years ago. I know I may have morphed into a donkey or a horse or something like that, so you can't take my word for it--but have some pics. That's me in Bermuda."
What you are doing, my dear sir, is saying "I know I look like a wolf but that's because I have this unfortunate genetic disease that makes me kind of... wolfy! I'm really a sheep! Really really! And every picture you'll ever find of me is pretty undistinguishable from a wolf, but just take my word and wolfy smell for it, hokay?"
So you did not look at this hyperlink at all, to see how I played in my only game so far? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59066.msg1323661#msg1323661)
So you did not look at this hyperlink at all, to see how I played in my only game so far? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59066.msg1323661#msg1323661)
Funny. You look much more relaxed and active over there, as opposed to your cringing self in this game.
Thanks for the meta-evidence. It helps my case.
Overreactions to something as simple as this do tend to look rather scummy, yes.
By the way, I only compared D1 in both cases. I didn't think it'd be fair, otherwise.
Well then what I say still stands. I felt that I dodged a bullet, and hid. Dying twice on day one would suck.
As for overractions: It's what I do.
Well then what I say still stands. I felt that I dodged a bullet, and hid. Dying twice on day one would suck.
As for overractions: It's what I do.
If you are town, I will eat you alive when this game is over. SERIOUSLY, man.
You are a Townie. Each day you may vote on one person who you would like to lynch. Majority vote wins. In the case of a tie, a NoLynch will occur. You win when both Mafia members are dead.
Supreme in your domain, you are the Godfather. Leader of the Scum, you run a smooth operation with no leaks or strings leading back to yourself. Should a Cop attempt to investigate you in the night, his efforts will be fruitless, and he will see you as just another Townie. A rich, influential townie.
Your right hand man is Vector, a skilled Roleblocker. Speak with him in private here (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/RTjgi4UMqp85t).
As a former member of an elite spec ops unit, you make an excellent Roleblocker. Your skills in sabotage are second to none, and find frequent use as a member of the local Mafia. Each night, you may select one person to suppress, and any actions they attempt will fail utterly.
Your comrade is Ottofar. Speak with him in private here (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/RTjgi4UMqp85t).
When you arrive at your home, you swiftly don black sweats. You place your hockey mask and night-vision goggles into a bag and make your way to Toaster's place. Surveillance immediately finds him sitting at his table, reading a book, in full view of the window. An assassination just waiting to happen, but that's not why you're here. You set up shop in the abandoned house across the street, and wait patiently until sunrise, checking constantly to see that Toaster is still present. At midnight, he gets up and goes to bed, enjoying the sleep you deny yourself.
Toaster Roleblocked
Returning home, you set to work on your one private joy. Cooking. With masterful craftsmanship you fashion a meal of filet mignon wrapped in bacon, whipped potatoes with homemade gravy, and rocky-road ice cream for dessert. Then you call up Scatterbrain, and ask him if he'd like a meal. He accepts, and on arrival you crack open the special bottle of red wine.
The meal is pleasant, and any other time might have sparked a wonderful friendship, but tonight that is not to be. Soon he politely mentions that he's not feeling so well. You offer him a ride home, which he again accepts graciously. At his house, you walk him up to his bed. He crawls in and immediately goes limp. Soon he begins sweating profusely, moaning and crying in pain-filled nightmares as you look on. His cries weaken, and then stop altogether. You step forward and place your hand at his throat. Finding his pulse satisfactorily gone, you head back out to your car, thinking pleasant thoughts of the half-tub of chocolate, nutty bliss that awaits you.
Scatterbrain has been MafiaNKed.
From your basement fortress monitoring station, you position your satellite above Rube's home, using thermal imaging to confirm that he is, in fact, present. Then you switch on some classical music, grab a book, and keep on eye on the screen, waiting for the movement that never comes.
Rube has been roleblocked.
The first to leave shibdib's house, you are also the first to arrive at Thendash's. You pull a soda out of his fridge, sit at his table with your gun in front of you, and you wait. You hear the sound of his car pulling up in the driveway, the clicks of his door, and as he walks into the kitchen you are ready. One pull of the trigger and his kneecap shatters. You slice off a length of the tablecloth and bind his wrists, then go out to your truck cunningly hidden in his garage, dragging him along with you. You pull out the lynching rope and double the wrist-bindings, then tie the other end to your tow hitch. Grinning at the fear in his eyes as realization sets in, you get in the car. He trys to crawl over to the door, begging and pleading for mercy, but to no avail. You back out to the road, then burn rubber. He tries to keep up at first, screaming, but soon his screams turn to thuds, and the thuds subside. Arriving back at the church, you drag the bloody mess that used to be Thendash inside, and string it up in the rafters. On the way home, you ponder what dinner should be tonight. Quiche. A nice quiche.
Thendash has been MafiaKilled.
If you want to know what I was thinking it was this: Vector was obviously scum.
If you want to know what I was thinking it was this: Vector was obviously scum.
That would be why I killed anyone who was in danger of needing replacement.
The shorten was actually my newbishness, as I didn't realize that the text was for mod in the scumchat.
And the cop-claim was my idea, Vector was against it, in a line I missed in the scumchat.
Good game anyways, It was fun to be scum for the first time.
I thought it might have been something like that. Tried to keep a more competent player from taking his place?
reading mafia chat was hilarious, didn't realise we were that bad ._.
Looking back at it I think your claiming cop really saved the scum. Vector was probably going to be lynched by USEC and Toaster. Your announcement caused USEC and Toaster to withdraw their votes and me to suspect that they were scumbuddies.
I'm not saying it was because you were a bad player Vector, it was because after Shibdib was revealed to be town it gave his previous accusations some credence (and Bandages before him). I wasn't trying to slight you, I was just trying to give Ottofar some credit.
Actually, you were nowhere near being lynched Vector. You should have been, but you weren't. So, likely scum would've won the next day with Ottofar leading a lynch on USEC even if you were lynched.
Scum won just fine.
I was more a get vector lynched then see how everyone else reacted when it came to finding her scum buddy... Annoyingly no-one besides me noticed everyone who agreed with me that vector could be scum seemed to die.
I was more a get vector lynched then see how everyone else reacted when it came to finding her scum buddy... Annoyingly no-one besides me noticed everyone who agreed with me that vector could be scum seemed to die.
On the other hand, everyone in the game had accused me of being scum at that point. It's not exactly like I was trying to pick off people who thought I was scum.
Note to self, stop overthinking, my gut feeling was actually quite correct.
Like that's going to happen.
... I would've, if it makes you feel better.Note to self, stop overthinking, my gut feeling was actually quite correct.
Like that's going to happen.
Everyone knew, but nobody lynched me... ? How bizarre.
... I would've, if it makes you feel better.