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Title: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: Diablous on August 18, 2010, 11:05:02 am
Welcome to Beginner's Mafia! This is the Fourteenth run of our Beginner's Mafia series. In Beginner's Mafia, you will be pitted up with a Town IC (Inexperienced Challenged) who will help you play the game, and will be just as clueless, if not more so, about the setup as you, and a Mafia IC, who will be helping out the Mafia.

In Mafia, you are divided into two parts: Town and Mafia:
If you are Town, your goal is to lynch the Mafia. You do this by convincing others that one of the group is scum, and getting enough votes on them to lynch them.
If you are Mafia, your goal is to kill off the Town until there is an equal number of them to you by getting them to lynch other Town or by killing them. You are given a kill each Night to kill any player in the game.

Each Day, you all vote to lynch a player. Each Night, you send in your actions. The cycle continues until one side wins. Days are 72 hours and nights are 48. Weekends count for zero hours.

You may not PM other players. The mafia will have a place to talk to themselves.

In this setup, there are the possibility of extra roles. These roles are Cop and Doctor for Town, and Roleblocker and Godfather for Mafia.
A Cop inspects any player at Night. They are told that player's alignment.
A Doctor may protect any player at Night. This stops that player from being killed.
A Roleblocker stops an extra role from using an action. This stops Doctors and Cops but does nothing for Townies.
A Godfather makes Cops get Town for their alignment, instead of Mafia.

There is a 50% chance for any of these roles to show up. It is possible to end up with no extra roles.

For a link to our Tutorial here at B12: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0)

If you're still confused, join anyhow and we'll teach you!

And if you have any other questions, just ask.

This game will have 9 players. If more ICs wish to join, it would be helpful, since one IC is usually never enough.

Players:
 
1. eclipsetail Lynched Day 2 Townie
2. Scatterbrain Godfather Winner!
3. USEC_OFFICER Mafioso Winner!
4. shibdib Nightkilled Night 1 Townie
5. Zako Lynched Day 3 Cop
6. TheBroodyMoods Townie
7. Spartan 117 Replaced by webadict Killed Night 2 Townie
8. breadbocks Replaced by Aklyon Townie
9. Zathras Lynched Day 1 Townie

ICs:
Town- Vector
Scum- Lonewolf I

Replacements:
Eduren
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Vector on August 18, 2010, 11:32:05 am
I can IC if you really need one.  I'm not too sure about my abilities anymore, though, so... don't take me unless you're seriously stuck.

I'd also play, if you'd take me, but I think it would be kind of cheap at this point.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: eclipsetail on August 18, 2010, 12:09:26 pm
Interested because I'm a noob.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 18, 2010, 12:09:33 pm
barely got a look in at the last beginners mafia, but here's hoping i can stick this one out a bit more.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Diablous on August 18, 2010, 12:26:02 pm
I'd also play, if you'd take me, but I think it would be kind of cheap at this point.

If you want to play, you can. I won't stop you.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Vector on August 18, 2010, 12:29:14 pm
If you want to play, you can. I won't stop you.

Meh.  I'll wait a bit, to see if you need players or ICs more.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: webadict on August 18, 2010, 12:41:35 pm
I'll pro'ly replace in, but I ain't gonna be no IC. That be jus' askin' fer trouble, I reck'n.

Jus'n case ya be needin' it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 18, 2010, 05:40:41 pm
Thinking of a clever sentence with in in it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Lonewolf I on August 18, 2010, 06:46:41 pm
Thinking of a clever sentence with in in it.

You missed an in.

I'll take Scum IC instead if players are plentiful.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Vector on August 18, 2010, 06:48:20 pm
Yeah, we're probably going to get more than enough players for this.

Town IC.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: shibdib on August 18, 2010, 08:27:56 pm
INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Zako on August 18, 2010, 08:31:20 pm
Alright I might as well join in. Get some mojo on and all that.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Eduren on August 18, 2010, 10:24:13 pm
I'll be a designated replacement. Although if signups stagnate I can join.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 19, 2010, 01:32:12 am
In, I am going to try this whole 2 Mafia games at once thing.

So, just totally, going to get lynched. I can tell.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Spartan 117 on August 19, 2010, 01:39:18 am
In.

As an IC if you want.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Zako on August 19, 2010, 01:40:08 am
You got to remember, its not an individual game, its a team game. You still win if your team wins, even if your dead. Scum are more scared of loosing because of their smaller numbers, hence why cowardice is a scumtell and agression and scumhunting is a towntell. If you are town, you should never be worried about being lynched unless its lylo.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 19, 2010, 09:52:26 am
so... two spaces left? that didn't take long, yay
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Vector on August 19, 2010, 10:02:04 am
In.

As an IC if you want.

How many games have you played, just out of curiosity?  Sorry... I just don't recognize you ^_^;;
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: Diablous on August 19, 2010, 11:04:15 am
Thinking of a clever sentence with in in it.

You missed an in.

I'll take Scum IC instead if players are plentiful.

Well, since we already have 7 of the needed 9 players, I'll put you down as scum IC, okay?
 
 
In.

As an IC if you want.

I don't think I've seen you in this board besides Pandar's BYOT, so I'll put you in as a player, okay?
 
 
so... two spaces left? that didn't take long, yay

I know I didn't expect this to fill up this fast.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Now in signups!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 19, 2010, 03:29:05 pm
You got to remember, its not an individual game, its a team game. You still win if your team wins, even if your dead. Scum are more scared of loosing because of their smaller numbers, hence why cowardice is a scumtell and agression and scumhunting is a towntell. If you are town, you should never be worried about being lynched unless its lylo.

Then I be screwed. (Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.0) and here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59066.0).)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - 7/9 signed up!
Post by: Vector on August 19, 2010, 03:34:52 pm
Oh, come now... you're not screwed.  There's a lion inside everyone.  You just have to excavate it and teach it how to roar =)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - 7/9 signed up!
Post by: webadict on August 19, 2010, 09:57:46 pm
Oh, come now... you're not screwed.  There's a lion inside everyone.  You just have to excavate it and teach it how to roar =)
Or teach it to shoot the scum in the face.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - 7/9 signed up!
Post by: Vector on August 19, 2010, 10:08:54 pm
Oh, come now... you're not screwed.  There's a lion inside everyone.  You just have to excavate it and teach it how to roar =)
Or teach it to shoot the scum in the face.

Yeah, Webadict's says something suspiciously like "GO SUCK A LEMON" kind of frequently.  But he's weird.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - 7/9 signed up!
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 20, 2010, 12:39:07 pm
I was going to say "Go suck a Lion" but realized that has http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - 7/9 signed up!
Post by: breadbocks on August 20, 2010, 06:17:04 pm
Can I have a spot? First mafia game, looks fun...
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - 8/9 signed up!
Post by: Diablous on August 20, 2010, 06:30:57 pm
Can I have a spot? First mafia game, looks fun...

Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - 8/9 signed up!
Post by: Zathras on August 20, 2010, 08:02:12 pm
Um, is this the right place for an Argument? [/montypython]

If so, I'm in, if I can.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - 8/9 signed up!
Post by: Vector on August 20, 2010, 08:02:43 pm
Dude!  All filled up already!

Joy, joy, joy :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Full!
Post by: Diablous on August 20, 2010, 08:05:59 pm
And we are full. Okay give me a bit to finish up some flavor, distribute PM, etc.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Full!
Post by: Diablous on August 20, 2010, 08:22:09 pm
Sorry, but I don't have any time left tonight. The game will start tommorow.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Full!
Post by: Ottofar on August 21, 2010, 12:45:01 am
Can I have spoilspec?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Full!
Post by: Diablous on August 21, 2010, 11:30:22 am
Can I have spoilspec?

Yeah, sure.

Okay, PMs sent. Flavor finished. Chat set up. I think we are ready. If I've screwed up somewhere, let me know.
 


The town used to be a happy, peaceful place. That's the way it used to be. It all started to go to hell once the Mafia came. They tried to take over, and the town fought back. The conflict grew. Eventually it, combined with other disasters, lead to the destruction of both. Only nine people survived. But the conflict has yet to cease. It has been discovered that two of the survivors were in the Mafia, but who they are is still unknown.

Violent storms prevent any from escaping the ruined town, and the remaining townspeople desires for vengeance grows rapidly. Eventually a decision is made. Each day one will die. This will repeat until the remnants of the Mafia have been destroyed.

 
[/flavor]
 
 
Day 1 starts now, and ends Wednesday, 7 PM EST.
 
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {0}
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
shibdib - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {0}
breadbocks - {0}
Zathras - {0}
 
 
Not voting
eclipsetail, Scatterbrain, USEC_OFFICER, shibdib, Zako, TheBroodyMoods, Spartan 117, breadbocks, Zathras
 
 
Place your votes in red, so I can find them easily. Requests to extend the day by 24 hours, shorten it by 24 hours, or just end the day all together in bold. A few rules. No quoting your role PM, and no editing your post after you've made it. Not even to correct some grammar or spelling mistake.
 
Okay, I think that's everything. Begin!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 21, 2010, 11:38:21 am
For all of the newbies and not-so-newbies, I present...


Seriously: read it and use it.  It is your friend.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 11:42:54 am
To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 21, 2010, 11:58:07 am
To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.

... Don't do that, sweetheart.  If you're town, "generating WTF's" should be the last thing on your mind.

You aren't trying to get reactions out of yourself--you need to get them out of other people, and putting yourself in center stage is generally a bad idea.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 21, 2010, 12:00:02 pm
I'd like to kick it off with Zako, having used Random.org (http://www.random.org/).

Tell me about yourself Zako.

Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 12:13:48 pm
Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/
It doesn't. First post, used to generate conversation. No point in making a truly random vote, and I'm interested on how people react to my arbitrary vote. With the mild understanding of thought process I have, I could in theory get a lead on scum. That could be my strategy, or I could be covering the possible scum position I may or may not have by voting for myself leading people to think I'm a Joker type position, or I could be a bored town role/townie. Take that as you will, I'm in this to win, be I a town-sider, a Scum-sider, or a third party.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 21, 2010, 12:27:59 pm
There are no jokers in this game.  There are also no third parties in this game.

Just... FYI.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 21, 2010, 12:32:13 pm
alright, let's get this show on the road! :D

shibdib, what did you think of the last beginners mafia? did you learn anything from it?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 12:37:59 pm
There are no jokers in this game.  There are also no third parties in this game.

Just... FYI.

Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the [ur=http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambitl]BBB gambit[/url]. Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 21, 2010, 12:41:35 pm
yep; newbie setup has only four (five? can town get a roleblocker?) roles - cop, doc, mafia roleblocked, godfather. which of these roles are present and which are not is picked randomly - in the last BM, town didn't have any roles, whilst scum got godfather and roleblocker.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 21, 2010, 12:42:13 pm
fakeedit: mafia roleblocker*
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 21, 2010, 12:43:33 pm
(five? can town get a roleblocker?)

Nope. But yeah, cop, doctor, mafia roleblocker, and godfather are the only power roles that can appear in this game.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 21, 2010, 12:47:09 pm
Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the BBB gambit (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambit). Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.

Quote from: MafiaWiki
Probably the stupidest of all gambits in the world, BBB's Gambit is the gambit that, when you claim scum and ask the Town to lynch you, they will assume you are Jester, and proceed to not lynch you.

...

Nice going, doodabuddy.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 01:00:56 pm
Perhaps you could look at the title of the thread. I'd try it, because I mean, well, take a look:
Quote
In recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:
No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 21, 2010, 01:05:09 pm
Perhaps you could look at the title of the thread. I'd try it, because I mean, well, take a look:
Quote
In recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:
No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?

I'd suggest that you stop arguing with the IC and start scumhunting.

Another thing: the reason why they call it "the stupidest of all gambits in the world" is that, in general, people do expect it.  Would it be considered idiotic if it worked?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 01:08:45 pm
Who knows what would happen. Then it would be advisable to use as a Joker. Also, it would be hard to rate based on one useage. Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 21, 2010, 01:11:54 pm
Unvote

Nothing about beadbocks seems to make sense, using a "gambit" like this seems to only suggest that he is indeed scum; even if he isn't:

... Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.

I cannot abide by this attitude.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 01:23:25 pm
There are no jokers in this game.  There are also no third parties in this game.

Just... FYI.

Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the BBB gambit (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambit). Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.

Never in there did I say I would try it, just that I wanted to.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Spartan 117 on August 21, 2010, 02:49:28 pm
So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 03:10:15 pm
unvote breadbocks

So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 21, 2010, 03:17:44 pm
So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?

I voted Zako first, using the website that Vector provided to randomly pick his name from the list. I was going to hold my vote until Zako responded, but as the topic went on my suspicions were roused by Breadbocks.

As of yet, and mind you it has been a very short amount of time since this game started, Breadbocks seems the most scummy. Mostly for his WIFOM/I'm a Joker Town/I'm Scum Pretending to be a Joker Town shenanigans on the first day- without even so much as a single useful vote being cast before using this strategy. He never once says implicitly that he is town and it constantly referencing to a strategy that worked once and seems to be designed as a last resort scum gambit. And this following sentiment makes me think if he is not scum he's at least not proving himself to be an asset to town:


Who knows what would happen. Then it would be advisable to use as a Joker. Also, it would be hard to rate based on one useage. Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.


Breadbocks:
It is not advisable to be a joker if you're telling EVERYONE you are in fact a joker and want to die: If you're a Joker Town, than we don't need you and should lynch you; If you're scum trying to avoid a lynch by pretending to be Joker Town, we're going to lynch you. It just does not work, and if you think it does, go check on the Supernatural Mafia page and see what happened to ToonyMan.

If you are town say so, and than help us scum hunt. If you are town you're not helping yourself or us. Unvote yourself and cast a random ballet for a reaction, like all the good little mafia players do.


unvote breadbocks

Welcome to the game, bread! :)

I'd like to hear more from the peanut gallery before I change my vote just yet.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 03:28:52 pm
I wasn't purposefully playing a WIFOM, but looking back on it, I was more of a there is a cup of wine in front of me that is poisoned. I was busy sipping it when conversation arrived, and I had something to base my vote on.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Spartan 117 on August 21, 2010, 03:35:03 pm
Unvote.

unvote breadbocks

So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.

Quite, what about you, Breadbocks? Am I the only one you find suspicious?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 04:18:57 pm
Yup. I've found no reason to suspect TheBroodyMoods, and you, me, Broody, and Scatterbrains are the only people to have posted, and Scatter has posted only once or twice.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Spartan 117 on August 21, 2010, 04:58:47 pm
Feel like sharing your reasons? Or is it just because I'm scumhunting?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 05:01:45 pm
unvote breadbocks

So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.
Was this not enough for you?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Spartan 117 on August 21, 2010, 05:04:46 pm
As I said, I was looking for scum tells in his response.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 05:33:26 pm
Well, If we disect his post to take out the strike,
So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?

I voted Zako first, using the website that Vector provided to randomly pick his name from the list. I was going to hold my vote until Zako responded, but as the topic went on my suspicions were roused by Breadbocks.

As of yet, and mind you it has been a very short amount of time since this game started, Breadbocks seems the most scummy. Mostly for his WIFOM/I'm a Joker Town/I'm Scum Pretending to be a Joker Town shenanigans on the first day- without even so much as a single useful vote being cast before using this strategy. He never once says implicitly that he is town and it constantly referencing to a strategy that worked once and seems to be designed as a last resort scum gambit. And this following sentiment makes me think if he is not scum he's at least not proving himself to be an asset to town:


Also, on a like note, I'd like to point out to Broody that even if I roleclaimed townie/cop/doctor, would you believe it without some form of proof? And also, how would I know if you could be trusted with my role, if I am someone important? It would be just as believable if the cop roleclaimed townie, as if the cop rc'd as a cop. How reliable are posts? We can't judge from expressions or mannerisms, like in poker, and we can't risk just guessing whether or not to believe them. I'll wait a day, and see if I don't get murdered/hung before I give any solid rcing.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 21, 2010, 07:03:54 pm
Zako, what qualities would you like in a scum partner?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 21, 2010, 07:48:20 pm
I'm not liking breadbocks.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 07:59:32 pm
Ah well. I had fun. I suppose saying I'm a townie won't help. C'est La Vie as they say in Frenchland.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 21, 2010, 08:34:50 pm
Ah well. I had fun. I suppose saying I'm a townie won't help. C'est La Vie as they say in Frenchland.

The problem, breadbocks, is that the BBB gambit would only help scum, even if it worked. There is no reason for a townie to try it, only for a scum, so you really just have yourself to blame.

On other matters, eclipsetail, what color is that tail?  :-)  Um, I mean, what do you think of the BBB gambit thing?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 08:40:32 pm
Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 21, 2010, 08:58:05 pm
Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.

Ouch. OK, then unvote eclipsetail, vote breadbocks. Let's get this over with so we can go back to RVS/scumhunting without the BBB thing hanging over our heads.

Is this game hammer or deadline for day end?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 09:18:08 pm
I submit to lynching. I had fun screwing around with my, and other, minds.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 21, 2010, 09:31:08 pm
We're on deadlines.

Generally, we try to deliberate a bit more before lynching someone off the planet--but if you're done with deliberations, write "day shorten" in bold.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 21, 2010, 09:32:18 pm
Day shorten
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 21, 2010, 09:34:03 pm
Oh, and a sidenote--it's generally good to at least make sure everyone has shown up before ending the day.  I don't know if they have or not, but I figured I'd put it out there.

Just a hint.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 21, 2010, 09:34:55 pm
I thought about that after I posted, but then I remembered the no-editing rule.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 21, 2010, 09:35:46 pm
... You can also say "cancel extension" in bold if you change your mind.

(And there's a 5-minute or so grace period when edits won't show up >_>  People often use it to fix typos and such.)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 21, 2010, 10:14:09 pm
Oh, and a sidenote--it's generally good to at least make sure everyone has shown up before ending the day.  I don't know if they have or not, but I figured I'd put it out there.

Just a hint.

Yeah... on the other hand, I'd rather the game proceed faster and that breadbox does get the noose. I agree we need to get back into deliberations, RVS and scumhunting, but the BBB thing would just prevent or distract from that. I'd rather not wait until wednesday for this to end. Also, if we just ignore breadbox, we get the worst possible result: the BBB works and someone tries it again.

Day end or Day shortening, whichever gets it done faster.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 21, 2010, 10:29:13 pm
Day end.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 21, 2010, 10:55:28 pm
Breadbocks, why are you being a jerkface?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 22, 2010, 01:49:10 am
Really, Day shorten already?

Some people haven't even posted. We have until Wednesday, we should at least wait until Monday.

I do not think a day shorten helps anyone at all, and I am opposed to it. Its first day. Calm yourselves. Breadbocks will be just as dead tomorrow...
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 22, 2010, 05:40:08 am
hmm. day shorten is a bit of a double edged sword. on the plus side, breadbocks' general moronity has pretty much everyone convinced that he's scum (me included, but i won't be changing my vote until i hear from shibdib), and getting scum lynched sooner rather than later keeps the pressure on. but the big, big downside is that there are still plenty of people that we just don't have tabs on; whether they just haven't posted yet or are outright lurking, at best they're a weak spot in the towns defence and, at worst, outright scummy. we need to hear from them, even if, for today's inevitable lynching, it won't be quite so important in the very immediate future. therefore, i won't be voting for a day shorten, and i advise you guys to do the same.

while i'm here, i'd like to extend the last question i asked of shibdib to USEC_OFFICER; what did you think of the last beginners mafia, and what did you learn from it?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 22, 2010, 05:48:42 am
Woah, shortening the day already? Isn't that a bit premature? eclipsetail, I think you had better explain yourself, since only scum would benefit from a shortening this early.

As to the scumbuddy question, I wouldn't know. And what would you like to know Broody? Plus, I see how you use Random.org to distance yourself from the vote on me. Don't be shy, thats scummy!

Plus, I saw that you supported the shortening Zathras and Breadlocks. Explain yourselves!

Sorry for being late, I had a lot to do today, uni stuff and all that.

I oppose the day shortening. It's stupid to shorten so soon just on the stupidity of one newbie. Scum would love that.

And FYI, I personally don't think bread is scum. Stupid townie, sure, but scum wouldn't do something this stupid and then TALK ABOUT THE GAMBIT THAT THEY ARE DOING. I'm not trying to spread WIFOM here, but scum wouldn't be trying to get this attention onto them this early. Scum would instead take advantage of it and try to shorten the day to kill a townie for free.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 22, 2010, 06:01:43 am
Breadbocks, why are you being a jerkface?
I'd just like to let you know, breadbocks, that acting like me will not let you live through this game. Yes, voting for yourself is funny and brings lots of information to vote on, but you've got to have a talent to defend the oncoming crapstorm that'll spew up.

Seriously, it's just inadvisable to do that. Just as it's inadvisable to end the Day. It'll lead to a very unwanted witchhunt that'll ALSO not end well.

So, having the town's best interest at heart is a very good thing right now. If you're going to be lynched, fight back. Bring up more information. Try to frame someone if you're scum. DO SOMETHING.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 22, 2010, 06:05:52 am
Reminding you of something webby?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 22, 2010, 06:39:56 am
Cancel extension

I didn't get to post it yesterday, so...
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 22, 2010, 06:45:36 am
Reminding you of something webby?
Go suck a lemon.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 22, 2010, 10:16:22 am
Cancel Day End
Breadbocks, why are you being a jerkface?
I'd just like to let you know, breadbocks, that acting like me will not let you live through this game. Yes, voting for yourself is funny and brings lots of information to vote on, but you've got to have a talent to defend the oncoming crapstorm that'll spew up.

Seriously, it's just inadvisable to do that. Just as it's inadvisable to end the Day. It'll lead to a very unwanted witchhunt that'll ALSO not end well.

So, having the town's best interest at heart is a very good thing right now. If you're going to be lynched, fight back. Bring up more information. Try to frame someone if you're scum. DO SOMETHING.
Is there point to quoting yourself? SCUM ALERT! :P
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 22, 2010, 10:19:03 am
Cancel Day End
Breadbocks, why are you being a jerkface?
I'd just like to let you know, breadbocks, that acting like me will not let you live through this game. Yes, voting for yourself is funny and brings lots of information to vote on, but you've got to have a talent to defend the oncoming crapstorm that'll spew up.

Seriously, it's just inadvisable to do that. Just as it's inadvisable to end the Day. It'll lead to a very unwanted witchhunt that'll ALSO not end well.

So, having the town's best interest at heart is a very good thing right now. If you're going to be lynched, fight back. Bring up more information. Try to frame someone if you're scum. DO SOMETHING.
Is there point to quoting yourself? SCUM ALERT! :P
I am webadict. I do what I want.

Also, I'm telling you to stop being an idiot, so, yeah, I can do that.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 22, 2010, 10:39:10 am
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {1} - Zako
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {1}- USEC_OFFICER
shibdib - {1} - Scatterbrain
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {1} - breadbocks
breadbocks - {4} - TheBroodyMoods, Spartan 117, eclipsetail, Zathras
Zathras - {0}

Not voting
shibdib

Day ends Wednesday, 7:00 PM EST
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 22, 2010, 10:42:34 am
I am webadict. I do what I want.

Also, I'm telling you to stop being an idiot, so, yeah, I can do that.

*cheers*

Thanks for helping with the ICing, doodabuddy :3
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 22, 2010, 11:26:53 am
Well, he did it before, and to bad results. The town got really screwed up that game...

Don't do it here, its not good.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 22, 2010, 12:26:35 pm
USEC isn't voting for himsself. his vote was for... zako, i think?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 22, 2010, 01:04:56 pm
Not sure, we was at some point, now hes just lurking around. Again, I suspect.

Tell me eclipsetail, why did you cancel your shortening of the day? Chickening out now that you've drawn my eye?? You still haven't answered my question from before, btw. And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras. I'm getting to you in a bit.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 22, 2010, 01:19:02 pm
As to the scumbuddy question, I wouldn't know. And what would you like to know Broody? Plus, I see how you use Random.org to distance yourself from the vote on me. Don't be shy, thats scummy!

Plus, I saw that you supported the shortening Zathras and Breadlocks. Explain yourselves!

First, I used the way recommended by Vector- but admittedly was being overly cautious in explaining my reason for the vote (this is a beginner mafia game). You hadn't voted for anyone, or even posted (at that time the only vote was Breadbock's for himself, though). I suppose what I would like to know is 'how are you', 'any notions'? It's a bit late given the circumstances thus far in the day, but late is better than never.

Second, I didn't support the day shortening/day end vote. I proposed a solution that I thought would be fair and allow everyone to have their say, as Breadbocks is likely going to be lynched anyway- barring some revelation or massive slip of the tongue. Dragging it out until Wednesday would be painful and unnecessary:

Really, Day shorten already?

Some people haven't even posted. We have until Wednesday, we should at least wait until Monday.

I do not think a day shorten helps anyone at all, and I am opposed to it. Its first day. Calm yourselves. Breadbocks will be just as dead tomorrow...


I'm not entirely convinced that Breadbocks is scum, but he is pretty scummy; and this quote is pretty damning:

Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.

Even if he is town, I am comfortable with loosing him, given the circus he created firstday; and no scum in their right mind would night kill a guy this magnetic to people's suspicion.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 22, 2010, 01:25:24 pm
I should give a sidenote to Dakarian's guide:

Random votes are all about intimidation and saying "I know what you did, you bastard" before you've seen proof.  If you see the slightest flicker of anything, just vote--no reasons necessary.  The important thing is the question, which should help you tease a reaction out of the player.  It's all about getting the initial reaction, while the player is off-guard and hasn't been able to form a plan.

When it's near the beginning of the game, baseless votes are the best way to make a scum player sing.  Some people base their random vote from random.org; others attack whoever they don't recognize, or they think is most dangerous, or those who they think they can easily trick into being scummy.  In any case, no rationale is really needed for your first vote, or votes used just because you want some sort of reaction.  Rationale is generally not required unless you're actually trying to lynch the guy.

That said, vote-hopping without any sort of reason is bad.  Stick on whoever you're questioning for at least a little bit.  It takes time to melt down psychological defenses and build an elaborate enough trap that the person in question will fall in--or, tellingly, stay out.


Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 22, 2010, 01:41:53 pm
Not sure, we was at some point, now hes just lurking around. Again, I suspect.

Tell me eclipsetail, why did you cancel your shortening of the day? Chickening out now that you've drawn my eye?? You still haven't answered my question from before, btw. And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras. I'm getting to you in a bit.

Because I forgot everyone hadn't voted yet. And I didn't know anything about no-edit-appear time.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 22, 2010, 02:41:38 pm
USEC isn't voting for himsself. his vote was for... zako, i think?

Oh yeah. Thanks.

Votecount:
eclipsetail - {1} - Zako
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
shibdib - {1} - Scatterbrain
Zako - {1} - USEC_OFFICER
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {1} - breadbocks
breadbocks - {4} - TheBroodyMoods, Spartan 117, eclipsetail, Zathras
Zathras - {0}

Not voting
shibdib
 
If there are any errors, please inform me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 22, 2010, 03:25:38 pm
I'm not lurking. I usually get on the internet at this time.

Anyways, what I learned from last beginners game would be to post more, so people don't say that I'm lurking/hiding, to think about what I am posting so it doesn't blow up in my face and to go with my gut, because I will overthink things in day 3, which doesn't look very good for me and just helps the scum.

Personally, I think the last beginner's mafia was harder than this one will be. Several people have either dropped scumtells or honest-to-god mistakes. Day 3 (Assuming I get to it) will be so much easier.

Unvote. Scatterbrain, discounting the last beginners game, (Where you got nightkilled immediately after replacing someone) what did you learn from your last beginner's mafia? (If any.)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 22, 2010, 06:13:09 pm
And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras.
You didn't ask me a question.

(And there's a 5-minute or so grace period when edits won't show up >_>  People often use it to fix typos and such.)
And I didn't know anything about no-edit-appear time.

@Mod & ICs, can you clarify the no-editing rule? I thought it was "no edits ever, for any reason, period", even if the forum does allow a short window where it doesn't display it. I saw an old game where Org was given endless shit for editing even where it didn't show -- remember that some people have forum settings such that they receive an email with the contents of your post, pre-edit (even within the window). Also, the window is pretty short; if you are fixing two typos, replacing a comma with a semicolon, and rereading to make sure, you may miss the window by a couple of seconds, and BAM! instant rules violation and probable modkill.

I think the "no edits, ever" version of the rule is better and safer.


On other things, shibdib hasn't posted yet, two days in. Mod: has he been prodded?

For the record, I generally would support a "lynch all lurkers" policy, but for this game, breadbox has to go first. I still rather not wait until Wednesday for that.

Finally, USEC, can you elaborate on what scumtells you have noticed so far?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 22, 2010, 06:19:40 pm
@Mod & ICs, can you clarify the no-editing rule? I thought it was "no edits ever, for any reason, period", even if the forum does allow a short window where it doesn't display it. I saw an old game where Org was given endless shit for editing even where it didn't show -- remember that some people have forum settings such that they receive an email with the contents of your post, pre-edit (even within the window). Also, the window is pretty short; if you are fixing two typos, replacing a comma with a semicolon, and rereading to make sure, you may miss the window by a couple of seconds, and BAM! instant rules violation and probable modkill.

That's basically the rule, but it usually depends on what you're editing.  If it's something really fast--you forgot a word, something like that--no one even notices or cares.  Usually, it's better to just post again--but I figured I'd mention it, just in case.

The problem with Org was that he seemed to radically change the content of his message, which is a problem.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 22, 2010, 07:15:58 pm
On other things, shibdib hasn't posted yet, two days in. Mod: has he been prodded?

For the record, I generally would support a "lynch all lurkers" policy, but for this game, breadbox has to go first. I still rather not wait until Wednesday for that.

I don't much care for the sentiment, and upon further thought, I don't think there is any use in shortening the day if we haven't heard from someone yet.

I say we keep ourselves open to extending the day until Shibdib either graces us with his presence or is replaced, and the replacement has said his piece.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 22, 2010, 07:26:51 pm
No edits. Ever. Not okay.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 22, 2010, 07:27:44 pm
@Mod & ICs, can you clarify the no-editing rule? I thought it was "no edits ever, for any reason, period", even if the forum does allow a short window where it doesn't display it. I saw an old game where Org was given endless shit for editing even where it didn't show -- remember that some people have forum settings such that they receive an email with the contents of your post, pre-edit (even within the window). Also, the window is pretty short; if you are fixing two typos, replacing a comma with a semicolon, and rereading to make sure, you may miss the window by a couple of seconds, and BAM! instant rules violation and probable modkill.

The rule is basically "no edits ever". Even if it's just fixing a typo during the window where the edit string doesn't show up, I'd rather you guys just post again.

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On other things, shibdib hasn't posted yet, two days in. Mod: has he been prodded?

I'm about to.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 22, 2010, 07:49:43 pm
If ye need a replacer, I've already figured out who the scums are.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 22, 2010, 11:03:13 pm
And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras.
You didn't ask me a question.

Oh really? Then whats this?

Plus, I saw that you supported the shortening Zathras and Breadlocks. Explain yourselves!

Still haven't explained why you shortened the day. I'm waiting for your explaination. I also see that you haven't taken back your shortening of the day unvote so why is that Zathras?

And another thing:

For the record, I generally would support a "lynch all lurkers" policy, but for this game, breadbox has to go first. I still rather not wait until Wednesday for that.

Why would you not want to wait? The day is the town's strength, we can take all the time we need to find scum, there is no point to rush for a quick lynch unless we ALL know the lynchee is scum. Which we don't. Only scum want a quick lynch this early, and there is NOTHING preventing you from scumhunting right now. Of which you haven't done much. Plus why lynch the lurkers when you could just replace them? Takes away a lynch from us to kill a inactive player. I don't really see much logic in that.

Broody, bread is obvtown to me. Read my post reguarding him and think about it, there is no point to lynching him just so that we can get to playing. Thats what the scum want. I'm not defending him, what he did was stupid, but it wasn't scummy in my eyes. Just newbish. And for the record, I never said you shortened the day, I was talking to Zathras and bread when I said that.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 22, 2010, 11:43:42 pm
Zathras last post gave me a funny feeling as well. It seemed like in addition to getting a quick lynch he was trying to lead the next vote toward someone who has yet to say anything, who was obviously not going to be mafia killed.

I would like to Unvote, for the time being.

Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?

Zathras: Why should we rush the vote? How is lynching someone who hasn't posted yet going to help the scum hunt?

Shibdib: Your opinion so far- take your time- the vote is going until Wednesday. What's taken you so long?

Everyone else, your opinions please. And yes, as scummy as it always Looks, could I get a vote count- because I am too lazy to tack all this stuff in my head all the time. :/
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 23, 2010, 12:01:40 am
And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras.
You didn't ask me a question.
Oh really? Then whats this?
Plus, I saw that you supported the shortening Zathras and Breadlocks. Explain yourselves!
That is not a question. Questions generally end with one of these --> "?"

As to the explanation, I gave it in my posts:
here:
The problem, breadbocks, is that the BBB gambit would only help scum, even if it worked. There is no reason for a townie to try it, only for a scum, so you really just have yourself to blame.

Here:
Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.
Ouch. OK, then unvote eclipsetail, vote breadbocks. Let's get this over with so we can go back to RVS/scumhunting without the BBB thing hanging over our heads.

And here:
Yeah... on the other hand, I'd rather the game proceed faster and that breadbox does get the noose. I agree we need to get back into deliberations, RVS and scumhunting, but the BBB thing would just prevent or distract from that. I'd rather not wait until wednesday for this to end. Also, if we just ignore breadbox, we get the worst possible result: the BBB works and someone tries it again.

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I also see that you haven't taken back your shortening of the day unvote so why is that Zathras?
Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.

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And another thing:
[...]why lynch the lurkers when you could just replace them? Takes away a lynch from us to kill a inactive player. I don't really see much logic in that.

The "lynch all lurkers" position is common, and valid. Lurking, whether town or scum, hurts town. Scum lurk as a strategy, and a player posting as little as possible is a scumtell. If we allow people to lurk unchallenged, it only strengthens the scum's position, being able to hide behind it to lurk as a strategy, going unnoticed, and avoiding dropping scumtells.

On a related note, from the meta point of view: these games can take forever if activity dies, and an active anti-lurk policy helps keep people around and talkative. I'd rather this game doesn't last a month or more, as I've seen others do. Since I fully expect breadbox to be very inactive now that his gambit didn't work (unless we let it work), shortening and lynching helps the game progress faster. This paragraph is not pro- or anti- town, it's meta on what I consider a mafia game interesting, lively, active and fun. Lurking hurts the players.

TL;DR: I believe breadbox is probably scum, and certainly anti-town and too dumb to live. Lurkers in general hurt town and should be pressured to stop.

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Broody, bread is obvtown to me. Read my post reguarding him and think about it, there is no point to lynching him just so that we can get to playing. Thats what the scum want. I'm not defending him, what he did was stupid, but it wasn't scummy in my eyes. Just newbish. And for the record, I never said you shortened the day, I was talking to Zathras and bread when I said that.

Hmm. You are defending him (saying he's obvtown, even after this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64130.msg1503202#msg1503202)). Why would you do that? Wasn't "I see being scum as an excuse" scummy? I see in your post a scum attempting to salvage the situation of having a dumb scum-mate. FoS on you, Zako.


On other things, USEC, please do elaborate on the "several" scumtells you have spotted so far. Also, Spartan117, what's your take on the BBB gambit thing, and do you have any suspicions yet?

My current suspicions, in descending order of scummitude:
- Breadbox; for reasons above.
- Spartan; for lurking to stay out of the light as a scum strategy.
- Zako; for defending breadbox and saying he's "not scummy".
- Scatterbrain, USEC; some lurking, need to tell us more about their observations.
- Broody, eclipse; seem townie enough so far.
- shibdib; no data. Show up, get replaced, or die.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Spartan 117 on August 23, 2010, 12:37:59 am
I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.

What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 23, 2010, 12:39:57 am
Dude, hes an idiot, not scum. I've seen it happen before with webadict, and it's happening here. He thinks it was a good idea and it backfired. I'm not defending him, I'm saying hes stupid and we shouldn't waste a lynch on him.

Saying my question is not a question because it doesn't end with a ? is just stupid. The context says its a question.

When you say that you provided an explaination, I don't really see it. You just quoted your posts, and left us to decide if your right or not. All I see is a scum trying to convince me that he's explained his scumtell, when he hasn't.

And you're spreading WIFOM here:

Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.

And I said that he's obvtown TO ME. Not to everyone, TO ME. You can all think of him what you will, but I don't want to lynch a newb cause he made a stupid mistake.

I do however somewhat agree with you on the lurkers, I just don't want to waste lynches on them, thats all.

Finally, I am not defending him. I do not think that hes scum, but I do think he did something stupid that confuses the town which is bad. This 'lynch the useless players' attitude has happened before, with another beginners mafia where bandages did obvscum tells on purpose. He was town and we lost time and lynches getting rid of him when he did nothing to help town. It's happening here too and I'm not falling for it again.

And explain to me, how do you see the words 'I see being scum as an excuse' scummy? I want your opinion, how does this trip alarm bells for you?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 23, 2010, 01:15:52 am
Dude, hes an idiot, not scum. I've seen it happen before with webadict, and it's happening here. He thinks it was a good idea and it backfired. I'm not defending him, I'm saying hes stupid and we shouldn't waste a lynch on him.
I see what you are saying. I'm saying he's both. But OK -- we'll see when end of day comes whether more people are on the "just an idiot" side, or on the "scum/too dumb to live/too anti-town to risk/can't encourage this behaviour" side.

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When you say that you provided an explaination, I don't really see it.
I provided a clear step-by-step rationale of each of my actions. If you see something unexplained, please point it out more specifically.

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[...]Finally, I am not defending him. I do not think that hes scum, but I do think he did something stupid that confuses the town which is bad.
[...]And I said that he's obvtown TO ME. Not to everyone, TO ME. You can all think of him what you will, but I don't want to lynch a newb cause he made a stupid mistake.
Yes, to YOU he's not scum, even after a) voting for himself; b) saying that he saw being scum as an excuse; and c) refusing to help town at all thereafter. To ME that is scum, and to ME, your defending him is very scummy. The gallant knight act does not become you. You are trying to keep him around, probably because he has a power role. You wouldn't want to lose your godfather/roleblocking scumbuddy, would you?

I'm sorry for you, Zako, stuck in a position where losing your scummate to his own stupidity would leave your scumteam emasculated. It must suck. No wonder you want to save him.

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I do however somewhat agree with you on the lurkers, I just don't want to waste lynches on them, thats all.
I'm glad we agree. Unfortunately, the only way to pressure them is to threaten them with a lynch for lurking, and the only way that threat carries any weight is by seeing it through if necessary. I agree with you that it shouldn't be done all the time right away, but pressure has to be maintained. For the record, my shorten request relates to the BBB thing, not lurkers; the lurkers can die in the fullness of time, but the actively stupid/anti-town/obvscum/don't-really-wanna-play ones should die faster or we risk them taking the game down with them.

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And explain to me, how do you see the words 'I see being scum as an excuse' scummy? I want your opinion, how does this trip alarm bells for you?
Dude, how doesn't it? He read the article on the wiki, thought it would be fun, was looking for an excuse to try it, he rolled scum, he saw being scum as an excuse, and so he tried it. Them's the bells.

I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.
As to lurking, well, your last post was over 24hrs ago here, and quite devoid of content; you've been very active elsewhere on the forums, and come here mere minutes after your name is mentioned. It seems more in line with scum-lurking strategy than people who just vanish from the forums for a while because they're busy. This doesn't necessarily make you scum, but looks scummy.

So, Spartan, how 'bout them scumtells? Have you picked up anything interesting you would like to share with the rest of the class?
Zako, ^this^ is a question. Just, you know, so you remember.



Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Spartan 117 on August 23, 2010, 01:20:33 am
For one, you're being aggressive-but instead of focusing it towards scumhunting, you keep trying to protect yourself without taking time to actually question people who aren't on your case.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Tack on August 23, 2010, 03:42:41 am
I'll stand in for Shibdib, if it comes to it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 23, 2010, 04:12:07 am
Unvote. Scatterbrain, discounting the last beginners game, (Where you got nightkilled immediately after replacing someone) what did you learn from your last beginner's mafia? (If any.)

that game is actually the only mafia i've played :p but what i DID learn is that inactivity is bad, bad, bad for town. and not just because lurking gives scum good cover, but - in my own case, i'll admit - holding back on what i thought meant that i didn't get my opinions out into the open in time, and before i knew it, i'd been lynched. so much for saving it for day 2. and you know what? i turned out to be right, vector did flip scum in the end.

thus, i learned; don't hang about. next day, you could be dead.

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- Scatterbrain; some lurking, need to tell us more about their observations.

not really lurking - it's just that being in a different timezone from most other people makes it look like i'm being less active than i really am. though i've noticed a crapload of scumtells dropped so far, allow me to take a new post to go through them all.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 23, 2010, 04:42:50 am
unvote

i will begin with eclipsetail

Cancel extension

I didn't get to post it yesterday, so...

ok, so this could have been a townie responding to the advice given by others to cancel dayshorten for the good of the town. i don't believe this, for two reasons; firstly, the reasons he gives for doing so are weak. i don't buy the story of lateness, or of not being able to go back to change it. it doesn't account for the ulterior motive behind the change.

now, why would i think that he had an ulterior motive? well, take at look at these babies. (all of these quotes are eclipsetails, i just can't find the multiquote on this forum. or whatever it's equivalent is)

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I'm not liking breadbocks.

in hindsight, this is a fair enough accusation; in the following posts, breadboks didn't leave much doubt that he was scum, and other people have already scumhunted him down enough to not warrant mysself going into any more detail on the matter. but when this post was made, it was hardly a certainty that he was scum. therefore, why would any good down land a vote on him without, at least, trying to do some digging on the matter? to vote someone, before it's certain that they're scum, and without trying to get more out of them; that's scum securing an easy lynch on town.

your subsequent posts have been you trying to scramble away from the mistake of asking for a dayshorten. with your actions are as scummy as they are, we don't have any reason to believe that it's legit. in fact, it just piles the scum on. after that, you've been lurking. oh, did i mention how much lurking helps scum? oh wait, i did; several times now. other people too. it doesn't look good for you, scumbuckets.

but what doesn't add up is this; if eclipsetail is scum, then why is he voting for breadbooks? using his scumbuddy as cover? in other circumstances, it would put money on them being scumbuddies... but this confuses things somewhat. nevertheless, you're both at the top of my scumlist.



phew. i'll continue dealing with scumdrops soon (hopefully). in the meantime, shibdib, you still haven't answered my question.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 23, 2010, 04:44:29 am
addendum: in the above post i'd planned to quote all of his posts (hence the plural), but the others that i didn't quote were all pretty much saying the same thing, and were short anyways.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 23, 2010, 05:53:35 am
ugh quadruple post

fakeedit: in other circumstances, i would put money on them being scumbuddies

really should read them through more. more mistakes in there too but... yeah, i suck :<
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 23, 2010, 07:09:33 am
I'll stand in for Shibdib, if it comes to it.
Already called, but I will relinquish my claim.

It would be much too easy. :P
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Tack on August 23, 2010, 07:13:45 am
Also, if I DO replace this shibdib, who, it seems, hasn't been active since that post two days ago, I'd like my vote to go to Zathras. He's cunning, but I've got a 7for7 to uphold here.
In any case- Just wanted to pop that in before the first night came around. Make it easier for the GM(s) to shuffle the player list.
Of course, if his internet were 'wonky' or something similar, I'd be happy to step out when he arrives back.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 23, 2010, 07:14:07 am
Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?
Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Tack on August 23, 2010, 07:15:41 am

Fakeedit: And webaddict, you are WAY too experienced at Mafia to be actually competing in this.

Fakeedit2: Damn. I coulda sworn I hit the 'stop' button on my browser.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Tack on August 23, 2010, 07:16:20 am
Zathros. Apologies for color bug.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 23, 2010, 07:25:26 am
Fakeedit: And webaddict, you are WAY too experienced at Mafia to be actually competing in this.

Fakeedit2: Damn. I coulda sworn I hit the 'stop' button on my browser.
Someone's gotta whip 'em into shape. Nothing teaches you how to play Mafia faster than KILLING THE SCUM WITH LASERVISION!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Tack on August 23, 2010, 07:27:28 am
Having the scum kill you with laser vision. That's a good learning process.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 23, 2010, 08:16:55 am
in hindsight, this is a fair enough accusation; in the following posts, breadboks didn't leave much doubt that he was scum, and other people have already scumhunted him down enough to not warrant mysself going into any more detail on the matter. but when this post was made, it was hardly a certainty that he was scum. therefore, why would any good down land a vote on him without, at least, trying to do some digging on the matter? to vote someone, before it's certain that they're scum, and without trying to get more out of them; that's scum securing an easy lynch on town.
Just trying to get a start to my first game, but fine. Want me to dig deeper then he's already done for us? Fine.

your subsequent posts have been you trying to scramble away from the mistake of asking for a dayshorten. with your actions are as scummy as they are, we don't have any reason to believe that it's legit. in fact, it just piles the scum on. after that, you've been lurking. oh, did i mention how much lurking helps scum? oh wait, i did; several times now. other people too. it doesn't look good for you, scumbuckets.
I don't remember lurking. When did I do this?


but what doesn't add up is this; if eclipsetail is scum, then why is he voting for breadbooks? using his scumbuddy as cover? in other circumstances, it would put money on them being scumbuddies... but this confuses things somewhat. nevertheless, you're both at the top of my scumlist.
How it adds up? Maybe I'm not scum.


And ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 23, 2010, 03:23:12 pm
Well Zathras, one of the scumtells I found is the fact that you cannot understand that you get on the internet five hours after me. (I'm exaggerating a bit here.) Seriously, cool your heels. I can't reply immediately to your posts. This does not mean I'm lurking.

Another scumtell is the fact that you and eclipsetail vote for shortening the day. Eclipsetail's excuse is that he though everyone had posted, while yours was that you rather just lynch breadbocks and continue the game. I'll like to point out that both votes were in the first day of Day 1, and not everyone had posted.

Spartan 117's lurking seems scummy. Spartan 117, what prevents you from trying to scumhunt? You should be able to find scumtells just as well as if you were scumhunting.

Eclipsetail canceling his shortening the next day could be a scumtell. If he could post to Vector's reply (about pointing out how not everyone has posted.) then why couldn't he post his cancel then?

Scatterbrain, for saying that he gets on when not a lot of people post, and then attacking eclipsetail for lurking. Did you even look at the timestamps?

There's probably some (ie a lot) of scumtells I missed. But those are the major ones I found.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 23, 2010, 03:37:01 pm
Eclipsetail canceling his shortening the next day could be a scumtell. If he could post to Vector's reply (about pointing out how not everyone has posted.) then why couldn't he post his cancel then?

Because I didn't know how to cancel my shorten, or if we were even able to.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 23, 2010, 03:46:02 pm
Eclipsetail canceling his shortening the next day could be a scumtell. If he could post to Vector's reply (about pointing out how not everyone has posted.) then why couldn't he post his cancel then?

Because I didn't know how to cancel my shorten, or if we were even able to.

Sadly, I half think I believe you.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 23, 2010, 03:58:39 pm
In No Particular Order, my points.

Firstly:

...And yes, as scummy as it always Looks, could I get a vote count- because I am too lazy to track all this stuff in my head all the time. :/

Secondly:

Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?
Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.

I suppose I deserve that for just asking and not being more clear; Why is he the scummiest Player? What makes him more scummy than you, who is very nearly on the verge of being lynched?

Please elaborate.


Third:
I'll stand in for Shibdib, if it comes to it.
Already called, but I will relinquish my claim.
It would be much too easy. :P

Thank god.

And, Tack, get your butt in here on the Quick-fast. I want to know why you would vote Zarthras over Breadbocks?

Fourth:
Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.

What strikes me most about your posts is that you seem more blood thirsty than anything. I think its rather obvious he'll be lynched, but you seem to feel uncomfortable with the fact that people are starting to question lynching him at all, even if it is just to explore posts previously made.

I still feel very suspicious of him, but I don't think lynching him and ending the day helps anything except scum getting their night kill. We're not going to magically forget about him if we start to look at other possibilities.


Fifth:
I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.

What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!

You sort of are lurking. I am in the BYOR mafia with you, and you're getting pretty battered in there.

I understand that this isn't your priority, but at least share information or even just voice your opinion on what's going on. Toss a vote out there, or at least tell us why you're still voting for Breadbocks. Shibdib may have an excuse as he's just not been on at all, but you don't and it looks scummy.

Sixth:
Dude, hes an idiot, not scum. I've seen it happen before with webadict, and it's happening here. He thinks it was a good idea and it backfired. I'm not defending him, I'm saying hes stupid and we shouldn't waste a lynch on him.

I generally agree, wasting a lynch is bad. But I think the cause to save breadbocks was sabotaged by breadbocks himself, the best thing he can do now is try and help us scum hunt. Plus, if he flips scum you'll end up looking like his scum buddy, even though you may "not defending him" with your multiple paragraphed posts opposing his lynch.

Zako, who do you think the scum are? Whose the first night kill?

Seventh:
Eclipsetail canceling his shortening the next day could be a scumtell. If he could post to Vector's reply (about pointing out how not everyone has posted.) then why couldn't he post his cancel then?

Because I didn't know how to cancel my shorten, or if we were even able to.

I'll buy that, but why did you think shortening the day in the first place would be helpful at all? Please, be clear.

Eighth:
There's probably some (ie a lot) of scumtells I missed. But those are the major ones I found.

What are your thoughts on Zako, than? and Me? And what of the ever lurking, invisible [insert player name here]? Should we lynch the lurkers as a rule?

Ninth:

I'm leaving some stuff out (ahem-scatterbrain-ahem), I am sure, but I would like this post to wrap it up for the time being:

- If shibdib doesn't show up today, we insert tack. I don't think anyone here would object to that.
- Extension on the day. We need a full deliberations and we need to see where the chips fall before the first night kill.
- ?
- End the day when everyone's said their piece.
- Profit.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 23, 2010, 04:12:51 pm
I'm not gonna quote out that whole thing, but I'll answer to the part asking why I thought shortening would be any better.

Really, I actually don't think it is now.

I guess I thought that it was a long time to wait and didn't want to wait that long, but I realise now that that much time is actually needed.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 23, 2010, 04:14:46 pm
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {1} - Scatterbrain
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
shibdib - {0}
Zako - {1} - USEC_OFFICER
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {0}
breadbocks - {3} - Spartan 117, eclipsetail, Zathras
Zathras - {2} - Zako, breadbocks

Not voting
shibdib, TheBroodyMoods,
 
If there are any errors, tell me.
 
About shibdib: He hasn't been online since before the game started. I'm giving him until tommorow. If he doesn't show up by then, I'll replace him.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 23, 2010, 04:19:27 pm
About shibdib: He hasn't been online since before the game started. I'm giving him until tommorow. If he doesn't show up by then, I'll replace him.

In that case, I would like a 24 hour Extension, so that Tack and get himself acquainted. 
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: shibdib on August 23, 2010, 04:21:34 pm
Sorry im here, my OS hard drive kicked the bucket so I'm waiting for newegg to send me a new one, should be here tmw.



Spartan 117 You seem to have disappeared once you got everyone to vote for bread. Laying low til your target gets lynched as not to say anything to change anyones mind?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 23, 2010, 04:22:17 pm
Well, that problem is over with.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: shibdib on August 23, 2010, 04:25:33 pm
Ya, shoulda jumped on earlier to let you guys know. I'm using my dads pc right now, and I'll be reinstalling all my crap tommorow, but I'll do my best to check in ASAP tmw. So no people not lurking, just technical difficulties ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 23, 2010, 04:27:12 pm
Secondly:
Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?
Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.

I suppose I deserve that for just asking and not being more clear; Why is he the scummiest Player? What makes him more scummy than you, who is very nearly on the verge of being lynched?

Please elaborate.

First, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
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Fourth:
Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.

What strikes me most about your posts is that you seem more blood thirsty than anything. I think its rather obvious he'll be lynched, but you seem to feel uncomfortable with the fact that people are starting to question lynching him at all, even if it is just to explore posts previously made.

I still feel very suspicious of him, but I don't think lynching him and ending the day helps anything except scum getting their night kill. We're not going to magically forget about him if we start to look at other possibilities.
THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.


Also, good to know you at least had an excuse for being MIA.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 23, 2010, 06:23:33 pm

Glad to see some activity, and welcome back shibdib -- you have a lot to read and post to catch up.

Let's see... where to start?

Well, the BBBQ King himself! He graced us with his return, to drop this gem:

THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it.

Breadbox, much to my surprise, I can see Zako's point earlier. You really are an idiot.

There never was a gambit? You mean, the one in the page you liked, which said "vote for yourself, so no one votes for you, so you win"? What was your first action? Yeah, you voted for yourself. So how is that not an application of the very gambit you just said you wanted to try? You wanted to try it, so you voted for yourself, right? So how then "THERE WAS NO GAMBIT"?

And you needed an excuse to try it, right? What would be an excuse? Oh yeah, "I see being scum as being an excuse". Then you tried it. Man, if you aren't scum, then you certainly are too dumb to live.

Please, just answer this question: If you didn't actually try the gambit, why did you vote for yourself and liked the article?

In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.


Onto other things, Spartan. He is totally scum-lurking. People, please see here the totality of his posts on this thread, and note depth of content:


So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
Unvote.
Quite, what about you, Breadbocks? Am I the only one you find suspicious?
Feel like sharing your reasons? Or is it just because I'm scumhunting?
As I said, I was looking for scum tells in his response.

Then, a pause of over 36 hours! only to come back with this after I mentioned his name:

I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.
What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!
For one, you're being aggressive-but instead of focusing it towards scumhunting, you keep trying to protect yourself without taking time to actually question people who aren't on your case.

And that's it. During that time, he posted dozens of times elsewhere. So he's around, he just wants to avoid being here, talking too much, dropping scumtells, and hoping people forget about him until it's time for his nightkill.

Spartan, you are scum lurking. Major FoS on you, It's only breadbox that stops me from voting you outright.


My current suspicions, in descending order of scummitude:
(I suggest others post their own list as well, with reasons)
- Breadbox; for reasons endlessly listed.
- Spartan; for massive scum lurking and uselessness-to-town.
- Zako; for his gallant knight defense of breadbox.
- USEC, eclipse, scatterbrain; not enough scumhunting, low posting volume, lack of useful suggestions.
- Broody; seems townie enough so far.
- Shibdib; no data. I'll be patient, but catch up, man! (or get replaced, or die).



Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 23, 2010, 06:27:11 pm
*Facepalm*

Have you not read the topic? I said outright, it was the first post of the game, and thus, I wanted to drum up a discussion. I'm going to go on ahead and assume that is a scumtell.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 23, 2010, 06:31:59 pm
Um... EDIT: "linked", not "liked". Damn dumb fingers.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Tack on August 23, 2010, 07:11:10 pm
Well, Arse. I hope I haven't caused anyone to lean towards Zathras unduly.

I might just get spoilspec, please? I see you've got another replacement who called it before Webaddict and I.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 23, 2010, 07:11:39 pm
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.

You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?

"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".

Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?

As to my previous point, you seem to be ruthlessly pursuing breadbocks as "too dumb to live" (at very least). You're championing a cause that is all but won.

Zathras, for your money, if we lynched you who gets night killed first?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 23, 2010, 07:12:14 pm
Well, Arse. I hope I haven't caused anyone to lean towards Zathras unduly.

I might just get spoilspec, please? I see you've got another replacement who called it before Webaddict and I.

Dude, it is totally your fault. :/
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 23, 2010, 07:14:12 pm
Well, Arse. I hope I haven't caused anyone to lean towards Zathras unduly.

I might just get spoilspec, please? I see you've got another replacement who called it before Webaddict and I.

Sure. I'll send you the spoilspec PM in a sec.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 23, 2010, 07:16:38 pm
May I ask what a spoilspec is?

Sorry if I missed it somewhere here.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 23, 2010, 07:19:43 pm
May I ask what a spoilspec is?

Sorry if I missed it somewhere here.

Spoiled Spectate. Basically, I send him a PM that tells him who has what roles.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 23, 2010, 07:39:36 pm
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.

You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?

"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".

Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?

The shorten request had nothing to do with shibdib or the lurking. As I mentioned earlier, it was for breadbox, specifically at the beginning, when there were already enough votes to hammer him, and it was clear he should go down -- shorten so we can move on and can get back to the game. I make this position clear at least twice:

a) The original shorten request:
Yeah... on the other hand, I'd rather the game proceed faster and that breadbox does get the noose. I agree we need to get back into deliberations, RVS and scumhunting, but the BBB thing would just prevent or distract from that. I'd rather not wait until wednesday for this to end. Also, if we just ignore breadbox, we get the worst possible result: the BBB works and someone tries it again.
Day end or Day shortening, whichever gets it done faster.

b) The lurking conversation with Zako:
For the record, my shorten request relates to the BBB thing, not lurkers; the lurkers can die in the fullness of time, but the actively stupid/anti-town/obvscum/don't-really-wanna-play ones should die faster or we risk them taking the game down with them.

The shorten was to get bread out of the way so the grown-ups could have a nice game of mafia, probably with only one scum left. The withdrawal is as a courtesy to shibdib, who has two days of catch-up to do.

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As to my previous point, you seem to be ruthlessly pursuing breadbocks as "too dumb to live" (at very least). You're championing a cause that is all but won.
Thanks. I find it hard to abide by a "just for the lulz", "too lazy", "don't really want to play" attitude in a mafia game. Uselessness is almost as bad for town as scum. The fact that breadbox seems to be both makes the cause worthy, but it's not won until he hangs, or until our discussion about it makes someone else drop such an obvious scumtell that we bag a clear mafioso first. But letting breadbox live just encourages this behaviour. We can't have that.

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Zathras, for your money, if we lynched you who gets night killed first?
Hmmm... probably you, or scatterbrain. Whoever is doing the most actual scumhunting will be the mafia's best target, especially if they have been targeting the right person.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: shibdib on August 23, 2010, 07:48:21 pm
If I can I'll veto any lengthen requests on account of me not being available earlier. I'm fairly caught up and my vote stands as is. Half the posts seem to be pointless back and forth that no1 should read much into, and I've already picked apart a few of the ones that might have some info that raises a flag or 2. But beyond that I'm good to go.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: shibdib on August 23, 2010, 07:53:50 pm
Er, forgot about the no edit thing.. second game.. Only further added why I dont need more time, wont happen again.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 23, 2010, 08:12:42 pm
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.

You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?

"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".

Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?

The shorten request had nothing to do with shibdib or the lurking. As I mentioned earlier, it was for breadbox, specifically at the beginning, when there were already enough votes to hammer him, and it was clear he should go down -- shorten so we can move on and can get back to the game. I make this position clear at least twice:

If that's true, why mention Shibdib at all? I may be harping on the smallest of points, but I don't like the inconsistency.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 23, 2010, 08:29:16 pm
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.

You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?

"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".

Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?

The shorten request had nothing to do with shibdib or the lurking. As I mentioned earlier, it was for breadbox, specifically at the beginning, when there were already enough votes to hammer him, and it was clear he should go down -- shorten so we can move on and can get back to the game. I make this position clear at least twice:

If that's true, why mention Shibdib at all? I may be harping on the smallest of points, but I don't like the inconsistency.

There is no inconsistency. As I said, he's back, needs the time, and is a factor in my decision to withdraw. You imply that he was a factor in my decision to request it, but nowhere I say that. I requested it for breadbox, I withdraw it for shibdib. No inconsistency.

On other things, what do you think about Spartan? Do you have opinions on the surprisingly quiet USEC?



Eclipsetail, how about you? I've seen you try to defend from scatterbrain, but have you formed any opinions of your own? Who do you think are the four most scummy players at the moment, and why?



Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 23, 2010, 08:34:05 pm
I don't see how I defended anybody. Explain.
And right now I don't have many thoughts on the scummy, besides breadbocks, for obvious reasons.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 23, 2010, 08:50:05 pm
I don't see how I defended anybody. Explain.
Read.
Eclipsetail, how about you? I've seen you try to defend from scatterbrain, but have you formed any opinions of your own?


And right now I don't have many thoughts on the scummy, besides breadbocks, for obvious reasons.

Hmm... no thoughts at all? In the last three days and almost 150 posts, nothing comes to mind? You did know what mafia was before you joined, yes?

Note that this blank stare of yours could be the result of a total newbie who knows nothing about the game and can't be arsed to try, or it could be a cover for a scum saying "I don't know! I don't know! Just ignore me until night falls and I kill you in your sleep!"

Can you give us some reasons why the town is better off with you than without you?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 23, 2010, 09:02:17 pm
I do know what it is.
And I have a few other people in mind of who might be scum, but I'm trying to put it all together before I post anything.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 23, 2010, 09:58:29 pm
Well, it seems the lurking shibdib has returned! Yay! Get scumhunting, you have a lot to catch up on.

Ok this take this from the top, starting with Zathras:

Breadbox, much to my surprise, I can see Zako's point earlier. You really are an idiot.

What's this? Admitting I was right? Can I say, I told you so?

Onto other things, Spartan. He is totally scum-lurking.

Nice deflection onto the lurker to get attention away from yourself. Can't hide from me, scumsucker.

And even after outright saying that spartan is scum, he still prefers to vote for the idiot, which he acknowledged was infact an idiot.

Spartan, you are scum lurking. Major FoS on you, It's only breadbox that stops me from voting you outright.

Dude, if you think spartan is scum VOTE FOR HIM. Pressure the scumbag! Saying he's scum and not voting for him but voting for the idiot instead is scummy.

And theres this which I don't really understand:

...Uselessness is almost as bad for town as scum.

Are you supporting scum here? Are you saying that it's harder to be scum than town or something? Clarify this for me please.

Plus you saying that shibdib needs the time to play, disreguarding your shortening of the day? Wut? You're going back on yourself.

In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.

Spartan:

Get more active man. Your looking scummy. Why aren't you scumhunting as much as you should be?

TheBroodyMoods:

I don't know who would get NK'd tonight. I'm going with my guts and I think you would get shanked tonight. As for scum: Zathras is scum. Eclipsetail looks a bit scummy, as well as Spartan.

I see that you also caught onto the backflip Zathras did.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 23, 2010, 10:05:07 pm
Zako, those thoughts about Zathras was basicly what I was thinking.
I just couldn't put it all together, but you did.
I really don't think Bread is scum now. I just think he's being weird.

Unvote. Zathras, what do you think of the game so far?

I currently think Zathras and Spartan are scum. That's about it so far though.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 23, 2010, 11:12:27 pm
Breadbox, much to my surprise, I can see Zako's point earlier. You really are an idiot.
What's this? Admitting I was right? Can I say, I told you so?
You are right in saying he's an idiot, you are not right in saying he's obvtown. I have no problem admitting others being right when they are, but I have not agreed with you that he's not scum. If I thought he was obvtown, as you have said he is, I would unvote him. But I didn't, so I don't.

You are back on your avid, endless defense of breadbox, Zako. Still uncertain what would your scumteam would do without him?

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And even after outright saying that spartan is scum, he still prefers to vote for the idiot, which he acknowledged was infact an idiot.
Dude, if you think spartan is scum VOTE FOR HIM. Pressure the scumbag! Saying he's scum and not voting for him but voting for the idiot instead is scummy.
Idiot and scum, is what I said. And I'm perfectly prepared to vote for Spartan if he gives me more reason to do so. For the moment, I'm applying my pressure where I believe the weakest link of the scum chain is. Zako, you agree with me that Spartan is scummy; is he scummier than I? scummier than breadbox? If so, why don't you vote him?

I do think spartan is scummy, and if the opportunity presents to lynch him, even instead of breadbox, I would go for it. But for the moment, breadbox is scummier in my mind, and his antics can't be tolerated, so he gets my vote. Both spartan and zako are close seconds, though, as I have stated since yesterday.

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And theres this which I don't really understand:

...Uselessness is almost as bad for town as scum.

Are you supporting scum here? Are you saying that it's harder to be scum than town or something? Clarify this for me please.
Sure: scum is bad for town; uselessness is bad for town; scum is worse for town because they get a night kill, uselessness doesn't get a night kill; therefore, uselessness is almost as bad for town as scum is bad for town. They are both bad for town, scum is worse because they kill.

Clearer? If your parser can't deal with that, I'll try a diagram.

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Plus you saying that shibdib needs the time to play, disreguarding your shortening of the day? Wut? You're going back on yourself.
Please read my previous post to Broody where I address this very point. I didn't disregard it, I made a shorten request to get rid of breadbox, and withdrew it as a courtesy to shibdib, so he can catch up.

Zako, those thoughts about Zathras was basicly what I was thinking.
I just couldn't put it all together, but you did.
I really don't think Bread is scum now. I just think he's being weird.

Unvote. Zathras, what do you think of the game so far?

I currently think Zathras and Spartan are scum. That's about it so far though.

Wow, thank you for that very useful post, eclipse. Bandwagon much? You do know that's a scumtell, don't you? Do you have any thoughts of your own? Does it worry you to appear scummy by jumping on the second bandwagon so far? You jumped quickly on the chance to hang breadbox, when it seemed safe. They you withdrew, and now that votes pile against me, you jump in now that it seems safe. I detect a pattern, which I would immediately accuse of scum, if it wasn't for your obvious noobishness. I tell you, eclipsetail, if your performance is an act, you have me fooled and I'll kick myself.

What do I think of the game? It's been fun so far. I didn't realize how deep the well of noobishness was in the beginners' game, but other than that, it's been interesting. If you meant anything more specific, please refer to my previous posts where I list my suspicions, and reasons, or ask more specific questions.


Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Tack on August 23, 2010, 11:27:28 pm
Quick question- Are Mafia told who the other Mafia are?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 24, 2010, 12:18:15 am
Yes. They can even talk to each other privately.

Very well, vote as you will. I still think he's town, and you're still scum.

Spartan is just a lurker right now, and while it is scummy, its not a major scum tell right now since it's day 1. Breadbocks gives off noob tells to me and you are just dripping with scum. The only reason I can't vote for Spartan is that I only have 1 vote. I'm voting for the most scummy person I can find, YOU. Perhaps you should have thought of that?

Ok, I may have misread that part, your saying that uselessness is almost as bad as scum for the town? Ok, it was a bit unclear for me, your logic is somewhat twisted, but it makes sense now.

And yet you shortened before he posted, even though he was technically playing at the time. No excuse, you shortened without giving thought to shibdib.

Don't try to get attention off of you by stating a single scumtell. That doesn't work. I probably have stated most, if not all, scumtells against you, or at least those that I have noticed. He just can't find anything more than what I have.

Plus, with all those FoS' on everyone, why don't you back it up with a vote? Put your money where your mouth is.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 24, 2010, 01:07:21 am
Don't try to get attention off of you by stating a single scumtell.

I calls them as I sees them. Jumping onto the second bandwagon with no stated original reasons is a hell of a scumtell, and if anyone is not buying his newbie act, should vote him and ride him for it.

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Plus, with all those FoS' on everyone, why don't you back it up with a vote? Put your money where your mouth is.

Maybe I should. Let's first see where we are. @Mod: votecount, please. It's 48hrs to day end, right?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 24, 2010, 02:07:59 am
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.

You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?

"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".

Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?

The shorten request had nothing to do with shibdib or the lurking. As I mentioned earlier, it was for breadbox, specifically at the beginning, when there were already enough votes to hammer him, and it was clear he should go down -- shorten so we can move on and can get back to the game. I make this position clear at least twice:

If that's true, why mention Shibdib at all? I may be harping on the smallest of points, but I don't like the inconsistency.

There is no inconsistency. As I said, he's back, needs the time, and is a factor in my decision to withdraw. You imply that he was a factor in my decision to request it, but nowhere I say that. I requested it for breadbox, I withdraw it for shibdib. No inconsistency.

On other things, what do you think about Spartan? Do you have opinions on the surprisingly quiet USEC?

I just feel it was odd to add shibdip as a qualifier to that statement, as you were in the process of mentioning how useless lurkers are, and how he should be lynched on principal (it's common to lynch lurkers as a rule, I believe you said).

If you were scum, and trying to lead a lynch against a inactive player as opposed to hosting a real second day scum hunt, I would say ending the day early and lynching someone who has yet to add a thought is a Grade A strategy.

Spartan: As I mentioned, I am in his BYOR mafia. He was catching a lot of shit over that a-ways for scum tells form a lot of very experienced players. I don't like his lurking, which it after all is, as he has been on and active in other mafia games. He's about as new as I am, and I think that makes him jumping about getting lynched.

Rule him out as scum? Hell no. He has yet to share any "scum tells", except in reaction to your prods.

USEC and Scatterbrain are a bit beyond me at the moment, I need to devote some time to just reading their posts.  eclipsetail has also been a little under my radar, but his vote for you seems like bandwagon to me.

Breadbocks has frankly disappointed me: I was hoping for a something more than just "he's out to get me", which is just weak; doesn't mean it's untrue, just means it's weak.

Zako:
TheBroodyMoods:

I don't know who would get NK'd tonight. I'm going with my guts and I think you would get shanked tonight. As for scum: Zathras is scum. Eclipsetail looks a bit scummy, as well as Spartan.

I see that you also caught onto the backflip Zathras did.

I've got two predictions for that outcome so far, and I'm totally willing to take the risk:

You're doing a lot of standing up for breadbocks, but he hasn't done a whole lot of that himself. I am not ready to change my vote, just yet, but if he can't stand up for himself why keep trying to save him? At this rate he'll likely end up lynched day 2.

Breadbocks, come in here and prove me wrong- start over turning some of these bandwagons or you're going to end up in the noose again.

Alright, I'm calling it a night.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 24, 2010, 04:49:23 am
I'm not purposely trying to defend him, you can all see it that way, but I just don't want to waste a lynch on an idiot and have this game end up like the other beginner's mafia I was in.

In that one, bandages purposely gave off scumtells, even though he was town, claiming to have a 'strategy' and we all lynched him like bread here. Then we all got confused because we all had been distracted by him not being scum and got NK'd to death.

Not happening here. No.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 24, 2010, 05:54:00 am
right, i'll answer some points that came up overnight concerning mysself. then i'll get down to more nitty gritty.

Scatterbrain, for saying that he gets on when not a lot of people post, and then attacking eclipsetail for lurking. Did you even look at the timestamps?

hmm - i didn't look at the timestamps; i guess not being on at the same time as everyone else blurs my perception of things. but i feel my point still stands; maybe not lurking technically, but when he has showed his face his posts have been of very little content and of even less consequence; save to drop on a not-yet-condemned breadbocks, and whilst doing no digging to follow up on his suspicions. which, when i pointed this out to him, he tried this on.

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And ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?

which is just a token show at scumhunting. that's what his game has been so far - token showing up, token voting and token cover-ups for when he realises he has screwed-up (twice now, first for day shortening, now for lack of scumhunting). the bare minimum. he has kept in the background and come up with flimsy reasons and motives for his actions. i smell scum.

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I'm leaving some stuff out (ahem-scatterbrain-ahem), I am sure, but I would like this post to wrap it up for the time being:

i see that later on you (broodymoods) say that you have yet to examine me, but here there's a suggestion that you already have an opinion? i'd be interested to hear it.

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Zathras, for your money, if we lynched you who gets night killed first?
Hmmm... probably you, or scatterbrain. Whoever is doing the most actual scumhunting will be the mafia's best target, especially if they have been targeting the right person.
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now this interests me, zathras. in the eyes of some, i'm being a bit lurky (which i've already talked about - being on at different times and whatnot), but you're suggesting that i'm actually out there scumhunting. how would you account for this difference of opinion?

and shibdib, i asked you a question back on page 5/6, just after the game started, care to answer it for me?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 24, 2010, 06:25:43 am
...well, i was going to get down to the nitty gritty here, but i have a question that needs answering first.

zako: you've spent plenty of time scumhunting zathras. what conclusions have you drawn from this investigation? when did you form these opinions?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 24, 2010, 07:57:15 am
He's scum. No dout about it. I thought he was being scummy when he shortened the day, and he was, and when I pressed him he still pressed on breadbocks even though he had no real point to since there were other people who were scummy. (He said lynch all lurkers is acceptable, yet only now does he really attack one.) Things just kept building up and I knew he was scum.

Kill the scumbucket.

I won't say anymore since I just spent hours working on an assignment and handing it in, so I'm beat.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 24, 2010, 02:59:26 pm
Unvote.

Lynching Breadbocks I think will prove the most informative; this could potentially damn Zako or Zathras, depending on how he flips. And I am not convinced if we let him get to day two that'd he'd be of any use excepting sucking up another day of debate.

Sorry buddy.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 24, 2010, 03:08:08 pm

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I'm leaving some stuff out (ahem-scatterbrain-ahem), I am sure, but I would like this post to wrap it up for the time being:

i see that later on you (broodymoods) say that you have yet to examine me, but here there's a suggestion that you already have an opinion? i'd be interested to hear it.

I just wanted you to know you were in my thoughts. I still have yet to review all your posts, but I remain interested on your take of this Breadbocks-Zathras tie we now have. Also, does Zako's defense of breadbocks strike you as more than just being compassionate toward another player? Do you think it scummy?

And Eclipsetail's sudden bandwagon? There's also Spartan's chronic lurking.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 24, 2010, 03:29:35 pm
Damn it Zathras, have you not been listening to me? I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things. What don't you understand about that?

Right, now to answer all the questions directed at me:

There's probably some (ie a lot) of scumtells I missed. But those are the major ones I found.

What are your thoughts on Zako, than? and Me? And what of the ever lurking, invisible [insert player name here]? Should we lynch the lurkers as a rule?

Well, reading all the posts, you and Zako seem to be the least scummy. You haven't done anything scummy that I can see, but that doesn't automaticly make you town.

Unvote.

I assume that the Than refers to Spartan117. My thoughs would be to lynch him, as he seems to be lurking on purpose. Plus he hasn't answered my question:

Spartan 117, what prevents you from trying to scumhunt?

Can't say much about shibdib. He hasn't posted much, as his computer needed to be repaired, and as I played with him in the last beginner's game, he seems to be posting the same style as before, so I can't really say much about him.

As for the lurking question: It depends. Posting once a day is probably not lurking. It says that you are trying to make an effort to play. Not answering questions in that one post directed at you is much more scummier. Not a lot of content? Maybe you're scum, maybe you're not.

Zathras, what makes you think that I'm surprisingly quiet? If you read my last game, I'm actually posting a lot of content here. As for scumhunting, again, more than I did last time. I'm actually quite proud of myself.

Zako, what makes you think that lynching Breadbocks would turn out like your last beginner's mafia game?

@Scatterbrain: He said not enough scumhunting.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 24, 2010, 03:38:36 pm
Wow. 24hrs pass and abysmal activity. This is why lurking hurts town, and the game.

USEC, Spartan, breadbox; haven't posted in over 24hrs. Spartan in quite a  bit longer than that, and USEC's attempt was half-harted at best. To the one or two of you who isn't scum: STOP LURKING! This only helps the scum lurk with impunity, distracts those who are scumhunting, and you fail to be of any use whatsoever to the town. If you join a game, it is only polite to actually play the game.

Broody, Zako, scatterbrain, and I seem to be the only consistently active ones here. Four out of nine. That's frankly sad.

eclipse; can't seem to link more than a couple of sentences at a time, mostly to express how he doesn't know the game, or to jump into a bandwagon. Hasn't done anything else the entire game.

shibdib; c'mon, man! You said you were just about caught up -- how 'bout some thoughts?


Also, a reply:
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Zathras, for your money, if we lynched you who gets night killed first?
Hmmm... probably you, or scatterbrain. Whoever is doing the most actual scumhunting will be the mafia's best target, especially if they have been targeting the right person.
now this interests me, zathras. in the eyes of some, i'm being a bit lurky (which i've already talked about - being on at different times and whatnot), but you're suggesting that i'm actually out there scumhunting. how would you account for this difference of opinion?

Well, I think you are out there scumhunting. Not as much as I'd like, but more than most, and that's gotta be somewhat scary to the scum. I would be nice if we got more than a couple of posts a day from you, but at least they are sustantive posts, not two-sentence brainfarts like we see from others (you know who you are).


More later.


Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 24, 2010, 03:40:59 pm
Damn it Zathras, have you not been listening to me? I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things. What don't you understand about that?

Heh. I invoked you! Speak his name and he shall appear!

Fair enough. The point stands about the rest, though.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: shibdib on August 24, 2010, 03:57:43 pm
alright, let's get this show on the road! :D

shibdib, what did you think of the last beginners mafia? did you learn anything from it?

im assuming you ment this post.. page 3 ;)

And all I learned is that apparently I need to get more forceful with my accusations because I picked out the scum day 1 last game but couldnt convince enough people to vote with me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 24, 2010, 06:15:40 pm
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Breadbocks has frankly disappointed me: I was hoping for a something more than just "he's out to get me", which is just weak; doesn't mean it's untrue, just means it's weak.
Not quite sure what to respond to this. I guess the best reason I have is that despite saying, quite consistently, how scummy he though other people, he seems to still want to pursue me.   ???
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Breadbocks, come in here and prove me wrong- start over turning some of these bandwagons or you're going to end up in the noose again.
No quite sure what turning some bandwagons means, but I'm going to guess it means stop people from voteing for someone, just to vote for someone.
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hmm - i didn't look at the timestamps; i guess not being on at the same time as everyone else blurs my perception of things. but i feel my point still stands; maybe not lurking technically, but when he has showed his face his posts have been of very little content and of even less consequence; save to drop on a not-yet-condemned breadbocks, and whilst doing no digging to follow up on his suspicions. which, when i pointed this out to him, he tried this on.

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And ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?

which is just a token show at scumhunting. that's what his game has been so far - token showing up, token voting and token cover-ups for when he realises he has screwed-up (twice now, first for day shortening, now for lack of scumhunting). the bare minimum. he has kept in the background and come up with flimsy reasons and motives for his actions. i smell scum.
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[Fail grammar understanding] No quite sure id this is at me or eclipse. Clarify please?[/fail grammar understanding]
Unvote.

Lynching Breadbocks I think will prove the most informative; this could potentially damn Zako or Zathras, depending on how he flips. And I am not convinced if we let him get to day two that'd he'd be of any use excepting sucking up another day of debate.

Sorry buddy.
No problem. Entirely understandable. Of course when I get proven townie we could end up being wrong about Zako, and he is on my side to make him look like a townie/town role. Not quite sure with the WIFOM. :-\
Wow. 24hrs pass and abysmal activity. This is why lurking hurts town, and the game.

USEC, Spartan, breadbox; haven't posted in over 24hrs. Spartan in quite a  bit longer than that, and USEC's attempt was half-harted at best. To the one or two of you who isn't scum: STOP LURKING! This only helps the scum lurk with impunity, distracts those who are scumhunting, and you fail to be of any use whatsoever to the town. If you join a game, it is only polite to actually play the game.
Hasn't been a full day for me yet, I think. I wake up at 8a.m. local, go to school for 7 hours,  get back home at ~5p.m. let my netbook boot up, read through the topic, catch up on the rest of the forums, do homework, then post. Cut some slack for people who can't check the game every five minutes. Spartan is the only real lurker right now.
Damn it Zathras, have you not been listening to me? I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things. What don't you understand about that?

Heh. I invoked you! Speak his name and he shall appear!

Fair enough. The point stands about the rest, though.

::)  He posted before you by around, 9 minutes. You would've gotten a notification before you posted. Quit making posts that are pointless.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 24, 2010, 06:34:12 pm
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {1} - Scatterbrain
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
shibdib - {0}
Zako - {1} - USEC_OFFICER
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {1} - shibdib
breadbocks - {3} - Spartan 117, Zathras, TheBroodyMoods
Zathras - {3} - Zako, breadbocks, eclipsetail

Not voting

 
If there are any errors, please tell me.

Day ends in 24 hours. If the day ends in a tie, it will be a no lynch.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 24, 2010, 06:43:53 pm
Hrm. Looks like the vote are in the order they were posted, and it seems like there is no bandwagon on me, just people voting for me. On Zathras looks like eclipse is bandwagoning. :/
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 24, 2010, 07:12:38 pm
Day ends in 24 hours. If the day ends in a tie, it will be a no lynch.
Don't do that. That's a bad thing for beginners to have to deal with.

Which means I'm talking to you, beginners.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Vector on August 24, 2010, 07:15:24 pm
Don't do that. That's a bad thing for beginners to have to deal with.

Which means I'm talking to you, beginners.

What, you think it should be a double-lynch?  That's not really better.  It's their responsibility to get off their asses and extend the day when needed.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 24, 2010, 07:27:32 pm
EXTEND DAY.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 24, 2010, 07:36:27 pm
1 extension request heard. 4 or 5 required to extend the day.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: shibdib on August 24, 2010, 07:39:07 pm
I agree Extend Plz need to read thru again, so many posts for 1 day.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 24, 2010, 07:39:28 pm
Oppose day extension.

C'mon guys, let's keep the game moving, not rehash the same five trite arguments for the rest of the week. I think there's enough data out there for everyone to make an informed decision.

As Zako said, put your money where your mouth is, make a vote, and stand up to the consequences without hiding behind the clock and counting the lurking hours for one or two more days.

I see the votecount is posted. I will go on record and say that I will support a lynch of Breadbox, Spartan 117, or Zako. My vote remains where it is for now, but I may change it depending on how the rest of the town thinks the game should proceed; voting for any of those three is OK with me. The three of them are scummy. There are only two scum, so one of them is being stupid, but that's not news. Who do you guys think is the scummiest, and which one(s) the stupid that should be allowed to live another day?

Also, I think the most dangerous possibility is that the scumteam is Breadbox and eclipsetail, both hiding behind acts of noobishness and stupidity to avoid the noose. If they eventually win and flip scum, I will personally go to the mafia wiki and change the BBB gambit page to read "may work against gullible players", and will nominate eclipse for an Emmy.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: shibdib on August 24, 2010, 07:43:23 pm
I'm not changing my vote unless during the extension something super scummy happens, but I wouldnt mind more time to review the thread. Theirs been alot of scummy posts, your most recent one included, that deserve another once over.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: webadict on August 24, 2010, 07:43:56 pm
Don't do that. That's a bad thing for beginners to have to deal with.

Which means I'm talking to you, beginners.

What, you think it should be a double-lynch?  That's not really better.  It's their responsibility to get off their asses and extend the day when needed.
No, I think the Day should be extended until someone breaks the tie. That way it's not completely anti-Town.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 24, 2010, 08:17:13 pm
Extend day.

Don't use what I said against the townies scumbag. It was refering to you doing a lot of FoS, and wanting you to back them up with a vote, not rushing the townies to a vote, like scum would.

Broody, you can vote how you want, I can't stop you or anyone else for that matter, but just keep my arguement in mind when he flips town.

USEC, because I can see the same patterns happening here. And also in the game where webadict did the same thing. Both turned out bad for town.

Breadbocks, dont ever spread WIFOM. Bad for town as it confuses them. Confused town is dead town.

Spartan is looking scummier and scummier. Not as much as Zathras though.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 24, 2010, 08:25:27 pm
I'll ask for an Extend day as well.

Webaddict is right, a tie would be more confusing than good. But there has only been 4 people really posting with any sort of consistency, which is also no good. I say we have a sudden death after 5pm tomorrow.

See how the cards land then.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 25, 2010, 01:46:30 pm
well, i'm not going to do this bit with formal quotes and stuff. please trust me that i've read through the thread thoroughly enough to arrive at these conclusions ;)

to begin; a tie ain't good for town, for various reasons. and, as i have already stated, my vote was placed on eclipsetail as he was my 2nd choice of scum, and it seemed reasonable to think that breadbocks would be gone by the end of the day anyway. so it make sense that, rather than a tie, it would be better if i switched my vote to breadbocks. but zathras appeared to have flown under my radar a bit, so i took a looksee through his posts again.

it seems that most of the bile is coming from he keenness to end day early - something that i have already stated i am against - but, on the whole, when he did reverse his decision, his reasons were legit enough. but what's getting me more is how he's chasing down breadbocks, a guy who's lynching was practically a certainty anyway, and in the meanwhile is pointing lots of FoS's. while i'm keeping in mind that it could be a scum playing it safe whilst redirecting a bit of attention away from himsself, for now, i'll put it down to the fact that it's still day one, and having a go at a variety of different people is still an acceptable tactic.


but i'm getting a bit carried away here. i feel that there are greater threats at hand; in descending order -

breadbocks, for his opening behaviour and, frankly, feeble attempts to clear his name, most of which pretty much incriminated him further

spartan and, to a lesser extent, shibdib; for lurking, plain and simple. here i am, trying for scumtells on a guy that, on the whole, seems (at the moment!) safe, and these two haven't been given serious consideration for lynching. don't think you'll get away with it tomorrow.

eclipsetail - for reasons i've already pointed out. can't believe that this guy is getting an easy ride.


so, why am i suggesting more than two candidates for scum? it's like i said a few pages back; tomorrow i could be dead, and my suspicions would go unvoiced. better to tell all while i still can.

oh, and back to the reason that i made this post. for now, zathras is (sort of) in the clear; enough so to make it an easy decision to switch my vote to the dude that has consistently been my number one suspicion for scum (already explained why i wasn't voting for him before), and make sure a nolynch doesn't happen.

unvote
vote breadbocks
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 25, 2010, 01:53:08 pm
it seems that most of the bile is coming from he keenness to end day early - something that i have already stated i am against - but, on the whole, when he did reverse his decision, his reasons were legit enough. but what's getting me more is how he's chasing down breadbocks, a guy who's lynching was practically a certainty anyway, and in the meanwhile is pointing lots of FoS's. while i'm keeping in mind that it could be a scum playing it safe whilst redirecting a bit of attention away from himsself, for now, i'll put it down to the fact that it's still day one, and having a go at a variety of different people is still an acceptable tactic.

Uhhhh.... Scatter? o_o

Oppose day extension.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 25, 2010, 02:02:25 pm
it seems that most of the bile is coming from he keenness to end day early - something that i have already stated i am against - but, on the whole, when he did reverse his decision, his reasons were legit enough. but what's getting me more is how he's chasing down breadbocks, a guy who's lynching was practically a certainty anyway, and in the meanwhile is pointing lots of FoS's. while i'm keeping in mind that it could be a scum playing it safe whilst redirecting a bit of attention away from himsself, for now, i'll put it down to the fact that it's still day one, and having a go at a variety of different people is still an acceptable tactic.

Uhhhh.... Scatter? o_o



Oppose day extension.

you called? also, was referring to zathras here. i know, i'm not very clear, please do ask if it doesn't make sense :p

(gonna answer questions from rest of thread in next post)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 25, 2010, 02:03:42 pm
I was pointing out Zath's opposition to the recent day extension.  :-\
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 25, 2010, 02:05:14 pm
oh, just one

[...]
hmm - i didn't look at the timestamps; i guess not being on at the same time as everyone else blurs my perception of things. but i feel my point still stands; maybe not lurking technically, but when he has showed his face his posts have been of very little content and of even less consequence; save to drop on a not-yet-condemned breadbocks, and whilst doing no digging to follow up on his suspicions. which, when i pointed this out to him, he tried this on.

Quote
And ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?

which is just a token show at scumhunting. that's what his game has been so far - token showing up, token voting and token cover-ups for when he realises he has screwed-up (twice now, first for day shortening, now for lack of scumhunting). the bare minimum. he has kept in the background and come up with flimsy reasons and motives for his actions. i smell scum.
[...]
[Fail grammar understanding] No quite sure id this is at me or eclipse. Clarify please?[/fail grammar understanding]

this was directed at eclipsetail.



also, breadbocks - he opposed it, but then changed his mind. that was a while back now.

(edited for a quotebox being in the wrong place)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 25, 2010, 02:08:09 pm
'twas here, in fact


In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.


yes i'm making the thread ugly i know i suck etc
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 25, 2010, 02:09:37 pm
oh, just one

[...]
hmm - i didn't look at the timestamps; i guess not being on at the same time as everyone else blurs my perception of things. but i feel my point still stands; maybe not lurking technically, but when he has showed his face his posts have been of very little content and of even less consequence; save to drop on a not-yet-condemned breadbocks, and whilst doing no digging to follow up on his suspicions. which, when i pointed this out to him, he tried this on.

Quote
And ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?

which is just a token show at scumhunting. that's what his game has been so far - token showing up, token voting and token cover-ups for when he realises he has screwed-up (twice now, first for day shortening, now for lack of scumhunting). the bare minimum. he has kept in the background and come up with flimsy reasons and motives for his actions. i smell scum.
[...]
[Fail grammar understanding] No quite sure id this is at me or eclipse. Clarify please?[/fail grammar understanding]

this was directed at eclipsetail.



also, breadbocks - he opposed it, but then changed his mind. that was a while back now.

(edited for a quotebox being in the wrong place)
[/quote]

wait, supported is then changed his mind. we must be on two different wavelengths here :p

(edited again cos effing quoteboxes)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 25, 2010, 02:11:20 pm
Check the time stamp, August 24 was just yesterday, and if you don't believe me, read page 12. Top of his first post on the page.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 25, 2010, 02:13:05 pm
Zathras is no longer trying to shorten the day, but he is opposing a Day Extension.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 25, 2010, 02:13:13 pm
i do believe you. but the time i'm reffering to is back on page 9. sorry if i didn't make mysself clear.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 25, 2010, 02:46:52 pm
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {0}
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
shibdib - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {2} - shibdib, USEC_OFFICER
breadbocks - {4} - Spartan 117, Zathras, TheBroodyMoods, Scatterbrain
Zathras - {3} - Zako, breadbocks, eclipsetail

Not voting

 
 
4 out of 4 extension requests heard. 1 opposistion heard. I'm essentially treating the opposition as a negative request, so you guys need to get another person to support the extension for it to pass.
 
 
Day ends in about 4 hours.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 25, 2010, 03:22:10 pm
I'm voting for Spartan 117, not Zako.

Answer to Zathras' question: Breadbock is the idiot. Whether Zako or Spartan 117 is scum? We'll have to find out. My guess would have to be Spartan 117. He should know better than to lurk like he's doing, or at least ask for a replacement. Besides that, I would have to wait for the first nightkill to make a better guess at who is scummate is.

Zako, could you elaborate on what patterns you are seeing? Or at least give me a link to the game so I can look at it myself.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: breadbocks on August 25, 2010, 03:24:01 pm
My guess for the first nk, since it is eminent, is TheBroodyMoods. He seems to be doing the most unobtrusive scumhunting.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 25, 2010, 03:25:01 pm
I'm voting for Spartan 117, not Zako.

Thank you. It's fixed now.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: shibdib on August 25, 2010, 04:11:25 pm
Can some1 explain why bread is getting voted on? I've reread twice and cant find a good reason you guys bandwagoned him
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 25, 2010, 04:31:47 pm
Can some1 explain why bread is getting voted on? I've reread twice and cant find a good reason you guys bandwagoned him

He voted himself first day, went into how he thought it would be a neat gambit to try and had some rather unfortunate remarks about how he would "like an excuse to use it." and that he sees "being scum as an excuse". That, and he provided little to nothing in way of defending himself from accusations.

I feel for him but I cant help but think he's either made a huge slip as scum or is just a bad-townie. Plus, lynching him has the potential to answer the most questions at this point: Zathras hounding after his blood and Zako trying to defend him. Depending on how he flips he may end up damning one of these two.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 25, 2010, 05:15:07 pm
I don't care if I'm damned, I just want to find scum.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=57577.0 is the thread which you want to look at USEC. I can't really point out the patterns here, its more of a gut feeling that i get when people vote for the idiot.

By the way, notice how Zathras' opposition is the only one keeping us from extending? This is scummy, and also looks scummy for USEC, eclipsetail, spartan and scatterbrain for not voting on the extention. Come on! VOTE!

He's a bad townie shibdib. If he was scum, he wouldn't draw attention to himself like that, but rather take advantage of the idiot like how Zathras has, by starting a bandwagon on him to get a town lynch. He even shortened to rush the vote to kill him, and thats real scummy for first day.

I've had enough of Spartan's lurking. Prod him please. We need his opinion NOW.

Just gathering my evidence, back soon.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 25, 2010, 05:20:49 pm
I've had enough of Spartan's lurking. Prod him please. We need his opinion NOW.

Done. Also, day ends in about an hour. If you guys want an extension, better hurry up.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: eclipsetail on August 25, 2010, 05:27:51 pm
Oppose extension
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 25, 2010, 05:33:45 pm
Oppose extension

Dick Move.

Why are you opposing the Day Extension, Eclipsetail? Give me one good reason why that is not in the least bit scummy of you?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 25, 2010, 05:52:53 pm
I have a very Serious FoS on Eclipsetail now.

You've had plenty of time to oppose it before now- and you've bandwagon'd Zarthras earlier- so why would you speed up a day to lynch a guy you're not voting for. Raises a lot of questions.

If Breadbocks doesn't flip, I am predicting eclipsetail and zathras are scum team.

If Spartan doesn't start posting next day I say we replace him with Tack.

Ive got a number of predictions say I am first to NK. Safe bet if there's a doc out there. If we have a cop scan eclipsetail or zathras tonight if breadbocks comes back town.

Come on Town, get your head in the game.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 25, 2010, 06:00:55 pm
I'll likely regret this, but I have to go with my gut:

unvote

Zathras, I sincerely hope I am not wrong about this.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 25, 2010, 06:13:49 pm
I'll likely regret this, but I have to go with my gut:

unvote

Zathras, I sincerely hope I am not wrong about this.

Heheh. Talk about dick moves...

Do note that if I'm lynched and you are night killed, the game loses two townies, half its contributors, and like 80% of its scumhunting... it may become quite dull, a battle of one-liners. But yeah, go with your gut, why not.

For the record, before the day ends, I agree with you on eclipsetail. If I do hang, when I flip town, go after him even above breadbox. He bandwagoned on both of us, and seems happy to see anyone hang. If this is the case, the other one is probably Zako, since went after me safely knowing that breadbox is a townie because he knows who the scum is, and made no attempt whatsoever of going after eclipse.


Cheers!

PS: An Emmy, I tells ya.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 25, 2010, 06:17:36 pm
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {0}
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
shibdib - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {2} - shibdib, USEC_OFFICER
breadbocks - {3} - Spartan 117, Zathras, Scatterbrain
Zathras - {4} - Zako, breadbocks, eclipsetail, TheBroodyMoods

Not voting


Please inform me if there are any mistakes. Day ends in about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 25, 2010, 06:21:06 pm
if you extend the day, we could discuss it further.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zathras on August 25, 2010, 06:24:53 pm
if you extend the day, we could discuss it further.
Interesting proposal, but I shall decline. I rather the game moves forward. This diddling about with half the game being idiots and/or lurkers frankly diminishes the fun.

TOWN! Go after Eclipsetail and Zako! That's your scumteam right there. Don't let our deaths be in vain!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 25, 2010, 06:26:24 pm
if you extend the day, we could discuss it further.
Interesting proposal, but I shall decline. I rather the game moves forward. This diddling about with half the game being idiots and/or lurkers frankly diminishes the fun.

TOWN! Go after Eclipsetail and Zako! That's your scumteam right there. Don't let our deaths be in vain!


I salute you, sir. See you in BYOR.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Zako on August 25, 2010, 06:34:37 pm
So long scumbag. And trying to focus on the guy who was attacking you by saying he's scum? That's just desperate. And FYI, gut feelings are good on day 1. We have little to go on, other than what we know for certain. And I did go after eclipsetail, you just looked more scummy at the time and I changed over to you.

And eclipsetail, wtf? Seriously, I don't get that. Explain why you would shorten the day.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 1- It begins
Post by: Diablous on August 25, 2010, 06:36:57 pm
And Day 1 is over!

Votecount:
eclipsetail - {0}
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
shibdib - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {2} - shibdib, USEC_OFFICER
breadbocks - {3} - Spartan 117, Zathras, Scatterbrain
Zathras - {4} - Zako, breadbocks, eclipsetail, TheBroodyMoods

Not voting

The crowd reaches a decision. It's Zathras. He's one of the scum. He has to be. His pleas of innocence fall on deaf ears. Someone retrieves some rope, and the mob attacks him. Soon his lifeless corpse is dangling from a tree. His body is searched. All that is found is a wallet with a few cards, a driver's license, and some keys. His home is soon searched. Nothing damning is found. Silverware, photos, pens. No evidence linking him to the Mafia. Looks like he was just a townie, desiring vengeance against the Mafia, like the rest of you.

Guilt washes over the town with the revelation that they have killed an innocent. Night falls, so the crowd solemnly return to their homes, hoping they won't kill another innocent tomorrow.

[/flavor]
 
Day 1 has ended.
 
Zathras has been lynched. Zathras was a Townie(Town).
 
Night 1 begins now. Send in your night actions!
 
Night ends Friday, 7:30 PM, EST.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Night 1 - An innocent is killed
Post by: Diablous on August 26, 2010, 08:14:12 pm
I kinda forgot to mention the night will end at the specified time, or all actions are sent in. Whichever comes first.
 

You all gather again and find shibdib missing. You go to his home and begin to search it. Eventually one of you opens his fridge and finds him. Or more accurately, his corpse. You look over it and find out how he died. He was shot in the head several times, then had his arms, head, and legs cut off from his torso. The death came when he was shot, the cutting off limbs seems to be just the killer being nasty.

The search of the house yields nothing of interest. Looks like he was just another townsperson. Another innocent dead, and the Mafia show no mercy.


[/flavor]


 
Shibdib has been killed. Shibdib was a townie(town).
 
Day 2 begins now! Day 2 ends Tuesday, 7:30 PM EST.
 
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {0}
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {0}
breadbocks - {0}
Not voting
eclipsetail, Scatterbrain, USEC_OFFICER, Zako, TheBroodyMoods, Spartan 117, breadbocks
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 26, 2010, 09:44:36 pm
Eclipsetail, Explain yourself. Why did you oppose the day extension request? Why did you bandwagon Zathras?

Where the hell have you been 90% of the game.

Zako, what of Zathras flipping town? Any regrets- what did you misread about him? Do you still stand by Breadbocks?

Breadbocks, you going to show up and fly straight? Who do you like as Scum? Why would you (or anyone) want to lynch Shibdip?

Spartan, You need to bother to show up or else I'm going to vote to have the mod to swap you out.

Scatterbrain, who do you like as scum? Do you suspect Breadbocks still?

USEC After yesterday's Lynch and last night's NK, how do you feel about the tells people dropped? You still suspect Zako- what are your feelings on the folks that voted Zathras? Including me. Did scum bandwagon him or do you think Scum split the difference? You and Shibdip both had the same vote, do you think you two hit a vein, or did you NK him to avoid the spot light?

Big Questions:

Breadbocks scum, or poor town?

Spartan Lurking or just not showing up?

Is Eclipsetail going to bother trying to explain himself?

As for me, I couldn't decide between breadbocks or Zathras who was more scummy. When Eclipsetail voted opposing the day extension, without explanation, I thought I saw a pattern emerge between the two players. I was tempted to move my vote to Spartan to three way tie it, just to see if the scum would jump ship. Ultimately the feeling in my gut told me to change my vote. If Zathras was scum I thought Eclipse might have moved his and prove himself scum, or at very least we lynched scum that was leading the town's scum hunting.

I'll be back with more tomorrow. I look forward to answers and seeing a Lot of questions; inactive town might as well be scum. So show up and voice yourselves, people.

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Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 26, 2010, 09:49:23 pm
PLUS:

Eclipsetail: not just for voting against the extension but doing it last minute, an hour or so before the end of the day, wrapped, knowing that two votes couldn't be mustered in that amount of time.

You are scum, I know you are.

This game has been plagued with lurkers: Who ever lynched Shibdib was lynching a player before they had a say- either they were afraid of what he was going to add, or they are honorable scum.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Night 1 - An innocent is killed
Post by: webadict on August 26, 2010, 10:00:30 pm
You all gather again and find shibdib missing.
WHAT?!?! THAT WAS ONE OF MY PICKS!

Just kidding. Easy as pie.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Zako on August 26, 2010, 10:35:02 pm
Of course I'm regretting lynching him, he's town and not scum. He honestly looked like scum to me, doing lots of scummy things, it really threw me when he flipped town. I never stood by Bread, I just didn't want a bad town lynched to waste a vote.

I'm not really sure about Eclipsetail either. He did do something extremely scummy opposing that quick at the end, but something smells off about that somehow.

Right now, I want to hear what Spartan has to say about this. He's been absent more than eclipsetail and did nothing about the extension voting. What do you think about this Spartan? Why didn't you do ANYTHING when the vote came? Explain why you have been lurking. NOW.

Scatterbrain, what do you think about USEC or Broody? Tell me your thoughts.

Breadbocks, you have a lot to answer to. Speak your mind. What is your take on the current events.

Town IC, what do you think we should do right now? We need advice.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Vector on August 26, 2010, 10:42:20 pm
Town IC, what do you think we should do right now? We need advice.

Yooooooooooooooooo.

I suggest making a list of the players on hand and then going through the thread, taking notes on their interactions.  Then make a case (with quotations) on whoever looks scummiest, second scummiest, whatever.

Be sure to also mark down who looks like town!  That's crucial.  Your job is to sift through the available information, doing what you can to narrow down suspects.  Look at speech patterns and panicky behavior, and also try to find the folks who are just sitting back and letting good people be lynched.  They're not necessarily scum, but you do need to kick them into action.


In a nutshell: scumhunt.


Does that help, or do you need some more specific advice?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 27, 2010, 04:17:59 am
answer are in green

Scatterbrain, who do you like as scum? Do you suspect Breadbocks still?

absolutely. can't believe he wasn't lynched; i had been assuming that his scumminess was so plain to see that i needn't elaborate on it, but i might need to go and build a case agianst him at some point, because we can't let this guy get away just because he squeezed through night one.

Big Questions:

Breadbocks scum, or poor town?

see above

Spartan Lurking or just not showing up?

either way, i'm calling him out. i want him lynched or replace by the end of the day.

Is Eclipsetail going to bother trying to explain himself?

even if he does, his explanations so far have been, quite frankly, pathetic. i wouldn't wait up on it.

Scatterbrain, what do you think about USEC or Broody? Tell me your thoughts.

i'll go you one better and replace that 'or' with an 'and' :p

thus far broody seems to have been a fairly safe bet for town - but i still don't really follow why he switched his vote from breadbocks to zathras, especially seeing as how crucial such a decision was; he would need a damn good reason for doing so. (while i'm here, broody, could you go over your reasoning for the switch again? i'm stupid and still not undesrtanding your reasoning). it's something that needs cross examining, given how significant it was.

as for USEC, i'm not overly concerned about the guy. i mean, he doesn't post as much as he should, which isn't exaclty admirable, but then again, he never has in any of his mafia games. if anything, he's posting slightly more than usual, and he has yet to rouse my suspicions. i'm happy enough to let him slide for the time being.

...which brings me to my next point. breadbocks and eclipsetail have done nothing but condemn themselves more in my eyes. but right now, spartan's constant lurking is making him public enemy number one. i'm not standing by and watch him slip into the background. i'm calling you out spartan, and you'd better have some mindblowingly good answers if you're not swinging by the end of today.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 27, 2010, 06:05:19 am
addendum: i guess, more accurately, that breadbocks squeezed through day 1. and to answer broody's first question more explicitly: FoS is on breadbocks and eclipsetail, but for now i'm wanting Spartan to be held to some sort of account.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 06:17:33 am
Sounds like someone needs a replacement...
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Tack on August 27, 2010, 06:25:57 am
Here. This is where I regret the spoilspec.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 27, 2010, 02:57:12 pm
maybe it's just me... but this has slowed down even more than it usually does when i'm on. so let's try this.

USEC: what do you think town needs to be doing today if it isn't to lose another innocent? what willl you be doing to help the cause?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 27, 2010, 03:20:25 pm
USEC After yesterday's Lynch and last night's NK, how do you feel about the tells people dropped? You still suspect Zako- what are your feelings on the folks that voted Zathras? Including me. Did scum bandwagon him or do you think Scum split the difference? You and Shibdip both had the same vote, do you think you two hit a vein, or did you NK him to avoid the spot light?

Big Questions:

Breadbocks scum, or poor town?

Spartan Lurking or just not showing up?

Is Eclipsetail going to bother trying to explain himself?

Currently, I'm rereading the thread to look at the scumtells again. I doubt I'm going to understand them more today. As you have said, Shibdib was a lurker, barely posted or gave his opinions. Killing him doesn't seem like it would reveal much to me currently. That's why I'm rereading the thread.

Wait, what makes you think I still suspect Zako?

As for the folks who voted on Zathras: I could see the mafia trying to manipulate the lynch onto him. He's a better player than Breakbocks, and it would be safe to assume that he was more dangerous to the town. But then again he was agressive and stuck to his opinions, which is something I find a lot of people think is scummy in mafia.

Individually, it looks a bit different. Ecilpse looks highly scummy, opposing the extention and lurking a lot (Four pages!) after he voted for Zathras, but I wonder how you, BroodyMoods, could have possibly have missed the fact the ecilpse was still voting for Zathras. I would have expected more out of you. I still have to think a bit more about Zako. And of course, the best way for Breadbocks to survive would be to vote for Zathras, who many people believe(d) is the second scummiest person.

(I have no idea what spilt the difference could mean in this context.)

I don't think me and Shibdib had hit a vein. If we did, I think my larger amount of posts would make me a better target, but I'm just guessing here. I'm guessing the scum lynched Shibdib in order to prevent him from saying anything.

I'm surprised that you would say that I NK him to avoid the spot light. When in the last few days was the spotlight ever on me? (I have nothing against it being on me, ask away)

Big questions:

Breadbocks is an idiot. Whether its idiot scum or idiot town, I can see it both ways.

Spartan is not showing up. His account hasn't been active for the last three days. We need to replace him.

Eclipsetail really needs to start defending himself more. The worst thing he can do now would be to hide in the shadows. But judging from what he did on day 1, that's not going to happen.

USEC: what do you think town needs to be doing today if it isn't to lose another innocent? what willl you be doing to help the cause?

That's the best questions you can come up with?

We'll probably lose another town today. We have slightly more than a 25% chance to lynch scum. Not good odds. (especially with the scum trying to influence the votes.) I'll help the only way I can help, by trying to scumhunt and look for scumtells. Not much else I can do.

Question time: (Not the best, but the best I can do.)

Eclipsetail, what made you oppose extention without posting a reason? And why did you not post for two whole days before that?

BroodyMoods, why didn't you doublecheck what Eclipsetail's vote was?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 27, 2010, 03:23:42 pm
thus far broody seems to have been a fairly safe bet for town - but i still don't really follow why he switched his vote from breadbocks to zathras, especially seeing as how crucial such a decision was; he would need a damn good reason for doing so. (while i'm here, broody, could you go over your reasoning for the switch again? i'm stupid and still not undesrtanding your reasoning). it's something that needs cross examining, given how significant it was.

The reason I ultimately switched my vote was a gut feeling (shows me right). As I said previously I thought there was some sort of common thread between Eclipsetail and Zathras, both of them opposing the day extension and all. The way Eclipsetail was acting was just making me very nervous. I didn't know if he was voting his scum buddy so if he flipped it would look good for him or what. Whatever the case in retrospect my reasoning doesn't seem nearly as sound. I was hoping to elicit a response out of him. My initial thought was to switch my vote to spartan and make a three way tie- I figured that would force people (scum) to make their move by highlighting three potential candidates (of whom all were suspicious in some aspect or another).

However, I switched my vote and I couldn't make an adequate reason to switch it again with the lynch so close- even though Zathras' last posts made me want to switch. My bad. I just ground my teeth and bore it. But in all fairness I would suspect me as well, given your position.

I would like to also point this out, however: Spartan has not been on the forum since the 23rd; he's not lurking, he's just not showing up. You can't threaten someone who has no idea they're being threatened. Eclipsetail, however, has been on just not contributing to the town and generally being very scummy. Single line answers, jumping on board one vote or another when ever it suits his needs. As I post this he is online. Incidentally, this means if Spartan was scum he hasn't been contributing to scum decisions and we have lone scum (unless the scum chat is totally unrelated to this forum and he can check posts without showing up as having come on). I remain confident that Eclipsetail is our best lead and we lean on him for all he's worth- at least before moving on to other suspects.

Could the Mod Prod Spartan 117, please? And all the folks who have yet to post in the second day thus far?

So, for the time being, I think we should try and concentrate our votes on active scummy players. And for the Love of GOD town, there are still seven people playing and only 3 out of the seven remaining have posted: Make our lives easier and if your town post! Christ!

Zako: I think our major mistake was misreading his zealousness. He was pursuing a sure thing, at least in his mind; anyone of us would have been just as "bloodthristy" as he was. :/

I already miss his contributions.

tl;dr

Voting for Spartan is like voting for a block of wood; dumb. Vote for players that are actual have shown up in the past week.

((I hope this also answers your questions USEC))
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 27, 2010, 03:31:31 pm
SNIP.

Spartan has aready been proded. And I assume he'll be replaced soon.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 27, 2010, 03:38:20 pm
Spartan has aready been proded. And I assume he'll be replaced soon.

Cool beans. For the time being I am going to be away from the computer. Any questions you guys have just post them and I 'll get to them later tonight (maybe), or tomorrow.

I would like a prod of Spartan, Eclipse and breadbocks and USEC. just to make sure they still know they're playing. And if Spartan doesn't show up tomorrow at some point, replace him with Webaddict or ... some one preferably more in the "Beginner" bracket. >=(
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 03:39:45 pm
I'm taking over for Spartan, 'less there be some sort of reason why I shan't.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 27, 2010, 03:40:47 pm
I'm taking over for Spartan, 'less there be some sort of reason why I shan't.

I'm racist, against penguins; but cool. At least you'll post.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 03:41:44 pm
At least you'll post.
Understatement of the minute.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Diablous on August 27, 2010, 04:04:00 pm
Spartan has aready been proded. And I assume he'll be replaced soon.

Yeah, Spartan hasn't been on since the 23rd. I'm letting web take his place.

I would like a prod of Spartan, Eclipse and breadbocks.

Will do.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 27, 2010, 04:14:40 pm
yay! off to bed now, so i won't make an elaborate post.

webadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 04:19:52 pm
yay! off to bed now, so i won't make an elaborate post.

webadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?
Why, that's too easy. I'd rather that you tell me who they are.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 04:23:54 pm
yay! off to bed now, so i won't make an elaborate post.

webadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?
Why, that's too easy. I'd rather that you tell me who they are.
Oh, and why you think it is those two.

Heck, let's hear everyone out on this. I just want to see what you guys have got. I mean, you should have some mental image of what the scum team is composed of, right?

...Right? Because, that'd be really bad if you didn't...
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: eclipsetail on August 27, 2010, 04:39:52 pm
BreadBocks, for reasons of last round.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 04:48:05 pm
BreadBocks, for reasons of last round.
That's only one, and it's not very descriptive. Tell me WHY. Reiterate. What is YOUR reasoning?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 27, 2010, 04:51:54 pm
Afternoon, all. Sorry about missing two pages. I went asleep about half an hour before night ended. Only got the chance to catch up now. Seems I missed quite a bit.

Broody, I think the reason shibdib was lynched because they couldn't take the chance that a doctor would protect the important scumhunter, so they killed a town-sider who was of no notice whose vote could hammer a scum.

Zako, see above. The town mistakenly lynched a townie with a lust for my blood, and the scum took advantage of the confusion.

Webadict, welcome to the game!

USEC, going back a page to where you questioned Broody about why he didn't check for eclipse's vote, I think he was aware, which was why he thought he'd regret the vote.

Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.

Eclipse, why are you lurking? Major Middle Finger of Suspicion here.

Diablous, so I don't end up half a day late like this again, what is the time cap for nights?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 04:58:15 pm
Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.
Well, I don't want people to bandwagon behind me in case I'm wrong. It's unlikely that I'm wrong, but I don't want to have to dig through sheep-followers after I say who it is I think is scum. After I have some answers (You need one too, pal), I'll divulge my secrets.

And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Vector on August 27, 2010, 04:59:15 pm
And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.

I'm the town IC this time, sweetcheeks.  Bug me in the other game.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 05:00:01 pm
And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.

I'm the town IC this time, sweetcheeks.  Bug me in the other game.
Oh. Meh. I'm still not scum.

And don't call me sweetcheeks, doll.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Vector on August 27, 2010, 05:00:27 pm
Oh. Meh. I'm still not scum.

And don't call me sweetcheeks, doll.

Sure thing, daddy-o ~
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Diablous on August 27, 2010, 05:01:13 pm
Diablous, so I don't end up half a day late like this again, what is the time cap for nights?

It goes like this. The night ends after 48 hours, or when all night action(s) are sent to me, and I finished up flavor for them. Whichever comes first. Kinda forgot to mention the last part when the night started. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 27, 2010, 05:02:07 pm
Just realized that I misread the post. Breadbock was still going to be lynched at that time. Sorry everybody.

Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.

Nobody else seems to leap out at me with scumminess at the moment, give me till tomorrow and I'll find something about everyone else.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 05:04:28 pm
Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.
If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 05:04:44 pm
Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.
If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?
EDIT: Also, that's only one person.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 27, 2010, 05:16:55 pm
Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.
If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?
EDIT: Also, that's only one person.
Might not be sure on the second scum, or could be hiding his guess so that the leftover(s) scum wouldn't think he knew/suspected strongly who the other(s) scum were.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 05:31:15 pm
Hi breadbocks. Didn't realize I was asking you that question. I did notice you didn't answer the one posed to you though.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 27, 2010, 05:40:15 pm
Hi breadbocks. Didn't realize I was asking you that question. I did notice you didn't answer the one posed to you though.
Just pointing out a possibility. It's Friday, which means free time where I live. Also, I can't seem to find your question. Would you mind pointing me to it?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 05:43:30 pm
What are your two scum picks? Also, it is a possibility, but you can't answer his question unless you can read his mind.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 27, 2010, 07:09:15 pm
Ah. Well, As I said earlier, eclipse is seeming scummy, but I could identify with noob syndrome. As for main picks, still need to choose between eclipse and you, webadict for most scummy. Welcome to the game, indeed.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 07:12:03 pm
Any explanations for why?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 27, 2010, 07:34:49 pm
Why, I just thought I'd give you a nice welcoming gift. That and that we need the information you have, in case you get picked off next.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 07:50:38 pm
Why, I just thought I'd give you a nice welcoming gift. That and that we need the information you have, in case you get picked off next.
... You think I'm just going to be silent until Day end? Get killed? Why, I can't get night killed if I'm scum, like your FoS would suggest. Besides, this is sidestepping the question, whereas I am delaying my answer.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 27, 2010, 08:31:44 pm
It's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 08:33:49 pm
It's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.
Okay, that's why I'm scummy. Now how about the other?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Zathras on August 27, 2010, 08:36:09 pm
Bah, humbug.

No one ever listens to Zathras. "Quite mad" they say. It's good that Zathras does not mind. He has even grown to like it.


Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 27, 2010, 08:45:20 pm
It's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.
Okay, that's why I'm scummy. Now how about the other?
Eclipetail has been
1)Lurking to an extreme
2)Acting scummy (Opposing extension with out even a meager excuse)
3)Seeing as how Zathras flipped townie, I'm willing to believe him on his advice of scummyness.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 08:54:29 pm
It's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.
Okay, that's why I'm scummy. Now how about the other?
Eclipetail has been
1)Lurking to an extreme
2)Acting scummy (Opposing extension with out even a meager excuse)
3)Seeing as how Zathras flipped townie, I'm willing to believe him on his advice of scummyness.
Yippee!

Now, who else has yet to answer, besides me?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 27, 2010, 09:36:25 pm
Eclipsetail. Zako. I think USEC.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2010, 09:46:41 pm
Eclipsetail. Zako. I think USEC.
I think USEC half-answered.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 27, 2010, 10:38:30 pm
Now, who else has yet to answer, besides me?

I'd like to try and make a more concise list, thank you very much. List most scummy to least.

Eclipsetail : for obvious reasons; Lurking, Bandwagoning previous day, Opposing day extension, lack of explanations, generally all around scummy attitude.

breadbocks: same reasons as before. His posts are light, and while not nearly as bad as Eclipsetail's, he seems to leave a lot of room for wiggling. He also tends to vote first and explain later.

Zako: Support the lynch of Zathras and was the one who really drove the point home. I have doubts about his townie-hood. Seems remorseful about the innocent lynch, but having lead it to spare breadbocks, despite insisting that he thought Zathras was scum, I can't help but wonder if he was saving a scum buddy or just a good draw for town's attentions later.

Webaddict: No offense, you're a good player. You're making folks jump through hoops, which could be your veteran way of teaching/hazing/humoring us. If you were scum you'd tear us apart. You've taken over for a player who hadn't posted a single thing- damning or otherwise. I have no reason to really trust you, which is why I have every reason thus far to suspect you. Points, however, for trying to draw people into the game for your parlor scene.

I have some reservations about the rest, but these are the top four suspects- and the top two being who I see as scum team at the moment (or at least highest on the terrorist watch list).
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Zako on August 28, 2010, 01:06:56 am
Sorry, uni demanded my time again and I was on a train most of the day.

Welcome to the game Webby! Glad to see Spartan replaced, but being all mysterious isn't really helping. Tell us what you think.

As for who I think is scum, here's what I think right now, in decending order of scummitude:

Eclipsetail, you haven't told us your reasons for any of your actions. You basically said for every explaination, 'Wut he sed.' repeatedly throughout the game. We want your PERSONAL opinion about scum, not someone elses. Talk to us man, don't be afraid to say your thing! Fear is for scum!

I have an odd feeling about scatterbrain right now. Call it a gut feeling, but I want to know what he thinks of breadbocks' statements and the overall town position.

USEC, Broody, Breadbocks and Webadict I don't think are scum right now. USEC gives off town tells to me, Broody looks and sounds towny, Breadbocks is an idiot for voting himself and I have no idea about you Webby.

So, tell me gentlemen:

Webadict, who do YOU think are scum, and why? Don't hide behind your superior thinking. Tell us townies your opinion, it may not be necessarily correct after all.

Scatterbrain, why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 28, 2010, 05:40:23 am
That means everyone's answered but me right?

Well, I'll get my answer up in a bit. It'll take a while and I'll need a computer.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 28, 2010, 07:52:48 am
Big enough for ya?

BreadBocks, for reasons of last round.
Lol @ this. If ever I saw a newbie scum, this is it. I was hoping for some more information out of him, but given his... other statements... I'll assume that he doesn't plan to say anything else.

EDIT: Yeeeeah... so, we're going to have to lynch him.

Afternoon, all. Sorry about missing two pages. I went asleep about half an hour before night ended. Only got the chance to catch up now. Seems I missed quite a bit.

Broody, I think the reason shibdib was lynched because they couldn't take the chance that a doctor would protect the important scumhunter, so they killed a town-sider who was of no notice whose vote could hammer a scum.

Zako, see above. The town mistakenly lynched a townie with a lust for my blood, and the scum took advantage of the confusion.

Webadict, welcome to the game!

USEC, going back a page to where you questioned Broody about why he didn't check for eclipse's vote, I think he was aware, which was why he thought he'd regret the vote.

Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.

Eclipse, why are you lurking? Major Middle Finger of Suspicion here.

Diablous, so I don't end up half a day late like this again, what is the time cap for nights?
See, I don't really like you either. For this reason:

Ah. Well, As I said earlier, eclipse is seeming scummy, but I could identify with noob syndrome. As for main picks, still need to choose between eclipse and you, webadict for most scummy. Welcome to the game, indeed.
It's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.
Okay, that's why I'm scummy. Now how about the other?
Eclipetail has been
1)Lurking to an extreme
2)Acting scummy (Opposing extension with out even a meager excuse)
3)Seeing as how Zathras flipped townie, I'm willing to believe him on his advice of scummyness.
See, it's this reasoning that gets you third on my list. You're RIGHT, but you're only half-right, which is how (better) scum tend to operate. You'd have to be bussing your own partner, but you're focusing too much on actual scum to find a fake person to incriminate, so you just throw out the guy who's pressuring you with whatever reason you can possibly make up.

You also assumed that talking about the BBB Gambit was a good idea. It's not, no matter what alignment you are.

Just realized that I misread the post. Breadbock was still going to be lynched at that time. Sorry everybody.

Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.

Nobody else seems to leap out at me with scumminess at the moment, give me till tomorrow and I'll find something about everyone else.
See, I was really hoping you'd have two suspects. You'd better start finding things about people, because you can't just sit back. You need to participate more in this game. Like, NOW. Because I saw lots of posts Yesterday, and you're not going to just sit there and let posts rain in without making some of them.

Now, who else has yet to answer, besides me?

I'd like to try and make a more concise list, thank you very much. List most scummy to least.

Eclipsetail : for obvious reasons; Lurking, Bandwagoning previous day, Opposing day extension, lack of explanations, generally all around scummy attitude.

breadbocks: same reasons as before. His posts are light, and while not nearly as bad as Eclipsetail's, he seems to leave a lot of room for wiggling. He also tends to vote first and explain later.

Zako: Support the lynch of Zathras and was the one who really drove the point home. I have doubts about his townie-hood. Seems remorseful about the innocent lynch, but having lead it to spare breadbocks, despite insisting that he thought Zathras was scum, I can't help but wonder if he was saving a scum buddy or just a good draw for town's attentions later.

Webaddict: No offense, you're a good player. You're making folks jump through hoops, which could be your veteran way of teaching/hazing/humoring us. If you were scum you'd tear us apart. You've taken over for a player who hadn't posted a single thing- damning or otherwise. I have no reason to really trust you, which is why I have every reason thus far to suspect you. Points, however, for trying to draw people into the game for your parlor scene.

I have some reservations about the rest, but these are the top four suspects- and the top two being who I see as scum team at the moment (or at least highest on the terrorist watch list).
I like you. Very creative answer. Wrong on a lot of points, but still, nice answer. Yeah, eclipsetail is more than likely scum and breadbocks is a good third choice, but why Zako or me and not scatteredbrain?

Problem is, you're not looking at everyone. You're looking at only the people that are talking, which doesn't include scatteredbrain, who is lurking hardcore. It's just a short-sightedness I'd like to make sure you correct. And, just so you know that this is more of an IC comment and not one to deflect away from myself, it's okay to be suspicious of the talking people. It's just not okay to NOT be suspicious of the quiet ones.

EDIT: You're also DEAD WRONG ON THE ZATHRAS LYNCH. See, YOU were the one that lynched Zathras, and pinning the blame on someone else? That's just downright scumtacular of you. See, I didn't notice that until I went searching, but that's exactly what you did. YOU lynched him. Zako threw out evidence on him. Just for that, I had to boost you up on my list, you lying sack of crap.

Just so everyone is aware, here's his post:
I'll likely regret this, but I have to go with my gut:

unvote

Zathras, I sincerely hope I am not wrong about this.
He basically lynched Zathras by himself. I wouldn't mind that if he wasn't a man and stuck by it, but he just lost a whole ton of points in that one line.

DOUBLE EDIT: Also, your scumlist looks a little familiar...

For the record, before the day ends, I agree with you on eclipsetail. If I do hang, when I flip town, go after him even above breadbox. He bandwagoned on both of us, and seems happy to see anyone hang. If this is the case, the other one is probably Zako, since went after me safely knowing that breadbox is a townie because he knows who the scum is, and made no attempt whatsoever of going after eclipse.
Oh right, it's the list of that guy who you lynched, with a little twist at the end. Well, almost. The breadbocks thing isn't his, but breadbocks was the person you were voting previously.

Sorry, uni demanded my time again and I was on a train most of the day.

Welcome to the game Webby! Glad to see Spartan replaced, but being all mysterious isn't really helping. Tell us what you think.

As for who I think is scum, here's what I think right now, in decending order of scummitude:

Eclipsetail, you haven't told us your reasons for any of your actions. You basically said for every explaination, 'Wut he sed.' repeatedly throughout the game. We want your PERSONAL opinion about scum, not someone elses. Talk to us man, don't be afraid to say your thing! Fear is for scum!

I have an odd feeling about scatterbrain right now. Call it a gut feeling, but I want to know what he thinks of breadbocks' statements and the overall town position.

USEC, Broody, Breadbocks and Webadict I don't think are scum right now. USEC gives off town tells to me, Broody looks and sounds towny, Breadbocks is an idiot for voting himself and I have no idea about you Webby.

So, tell me gentlemen:

Webadict, who do YOU think are scum, and why? Don't hide behind your superior thinking. Tell us townies your opinion, it may not be necessarily correct after all.

Scatterbrain, why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!
This guy... This guy.

Nailed on the head. I've been calling scatteredbrain and eclipsetail the entire game. Why Zathras got lynched yesterday... I have no clue! He threw out no scumtells, you let people who weren't contributing lurk, and worst of all you left breadbocks alive.

EDIT: Well, maybe I was wrong. I found a lot more than I was looking for when I went back. Ill need to keep thinking about it.

But, that's not really my problem. That's a problem with you guys.

EDIT: Upon re-reading, USEC actually jumped to the third spot. Breadbocks is scummy in his way, but USEC is scummy in regular ways.

Here's a list of people, from scummy, to least scummy:
eclipsetail - Seriously, what are you doing? You end the day and can't be bothered to post a statement to fix that? Every other post from you just seems to be like the lamest excuse for why you did something. And it's always excuses! Are you too busy, or are you just smashing your face into the keyboard and making sentences? If you're blind, hey, I understand, but you need to take the game seriously and LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING! I could not be anymore angry with you or your playstyle than I am now, especially if you're Town.
Scatterbrain - You... I can't decide, quite honestly. At some points, you actually seem exemplary as town. You make a couple Wall of Texts, which is a good thing, but my problem is that you're lurking and that you've only had one real focus the entire game: eclipsetail. Which would be easy to do if you were scum, as you could put minimal pressure on him while knowing he's scum, and hence making your argument look pretty real, while on the side not having to participate with the actual lynches.
USEC_OFFICER - Everything you post isn't really anything that is helpful. You were doing well on Day 1, but you've gotten a lacklusterful Day 2 start. Heck, I'm no longer sure if I can put you above BroodyMoods with what he did, but I kinda have to, just because of you really don't have anything to contribute. You're just bandwagoning on eclipsetail here, and I pointed out a flaw in your argument which you have yet to respond to, but I'm still open to see more from you.
TheBroodyMoods - See, I'd rather you had gotten breadbocks lynched yesterday, but then I realized that you really only had two options to choose from: Zathras or breadbocks, with an inability to get an Extension out of Zathras or anyone else for that matter. Basically meaning you were really stuck on who to choose, now weren't you? EDIT: Unless, of course, you plan on deflecting that entire lynch on Zathras. That officially boosted you to fourth, up from sixth. I'd put you in third, but I don't have enough evidence on you to make a good case. You also just sort of sheepfollowed Zathras's last will.
breadbocks - See, I couldn't put you AND USEC in the third spot, but I had to put you two somewhere. You... just generally... do stupid things. Things that don't work. I'm going to assume you think you're funny though, as opposed to scum, because you're a newbie and I realize that you would have been hit really, REALLY hard by your scum IC for doing that. So, I just moved you higher than USEC, who seems to love the list-making process.
Zako - You, I have no problem with. At the beginning of the game, you attempted to stop breadbocks from making himself a target, and that lead to your attack on Zathras, who was attacking breadbocks which you were supposing was town. In fact, you've been trying to round up the most activity throughout the thread, that I couldn't possibly let you get lynched unless a Role Cop inspected you and got Godfather or something. It's not buddying: It's a sign that you're either really good Scum, or really good Town.
Webadict - I have only just gotten into the game, and while my previous incarnation was a lurker, I will not be. My goal is to make sure that you guys are talking EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY. If you haven't posted anything about anyone as of yet, you will be hounded by me. That means you, Scatterbrain! I don't care if it's to point out flaws, to add to arguments, to justify your vote, or if it's to obtain evidence,
YOU. WILL. TALK!
If you do not talk, I will have to assume the worst about you.

Generally, I hate lists, but this allows me to view multiple people at once, seeing as how, looking back, it's possible I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 28, 2010, 09:10:40 am
so i see that there's some concerns about me out there, namely, from webby and zako; the long and short of it seems to be that i'm being a bit lurky. i've already said that, because i'm in Scotland and (it looks like) the rest of you are in the US, i'm posting at different times to the rest of you - so i can't join in any running conversation as they happen, and i'm pretty much limited to singular posts such as this. thus, it's pretty inevitable that my volume of posts is gonna be below everyone else's. i've tried my best to make them meaty, informative and helpful; that's all i can do, and if it's not enough, well, sod all i can do about it really. please don't make me have to bring this up again - this is already the 3rd time i've had to explain.

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webadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?
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Why, that's too easy. I'd rather that you tell me who they are.

so before i get to round to dealing with the rest of your concerns, let me say that ducking a question isn't exactly a confidence-inspiring way to open your game. don't play games buddy, we've already lost two townies. at least it looks like you got down to rounding people up after this, but still.

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Scatterbrain - You... I can't decide, quite honestly. At some points, you actually seem exemplary as town. You make a couple Wall of Texts, which is a good thing, but my problem is that you're lurking and that you've only had one real focus the entire game: eclipsetail. Which would be easy to do if you were scum, as you could put minimal pressure on him while knowing he's scum, and hence making your argument look pretty real, while on the side not having to participate with the actual lynches.

wrong on both counts. for lurking, see above; and that i've only been focussing on eclipsetail is totally incorrect. obviously, he's been the guy i've constantly voted for (apart from when i wanted to see breadbocks lynched last round, so i changed to him <and please, go and read up on that properly, as i've already given me reasons for doing so>), but what the group of people that i have been most suspicious of all the time have been the lurkers (breadbocks aside, who is lurking less than he was, yet i remain suspicious of - i'll come back to him later). it feels like i keep pointing out over and over how dangerous they are, and how they keep getting away with slipping into the background while the active people argue over those who actually are active. we'll see how much that changes this round, given how spartan and shibdib, the two main culprits, have now gone, but if there are lurkers out there then they're as dangerous as ever.

also, if you want a specific example of a person i've examined, see my analysis of zathras in the post where i vote breadbocks; and my litle piece thereafter about lurkers.

I have an odd feeling about scatterbrain right now. Call it a gut feeling, but I want to know what he thinks of breadbocks' statements and the overall town position.

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Scatterbrain, why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!

reading between the lines, your concerns are similar to those of webadict. hopefully i've already answered some of them, but if you have anything specific, do ask. also, try to add some reasons for this gut feeling - because voting on just a gut feeling, as we've seen, hasn't been the most reliable of methods in this game so far. and not giving a reason for doing so is... well, i guess i could put it down to giving me bit of a poke to get me to address some issues (hopefully, it worked!), but that strikes me as more of a day 1 sort of gambit. i'm not saying that it is scummy, but i AM saying that i noticed that it could be scummy.

what do i think of breabocks' statements? in general? well, i said at the beginning of today that i would go back over his posts and try to present the scumtells, lest people should not take him as a serious scumthreat anymore, but it seems that webadict has done that little job for me. hopefully i'll take a look anyway, and see if there was anything that was missed.

the position of town? a few factors come into this, the biggest being the arrival of webadict. if he's town, then we've gained a valuable and experienced townie who knows his stuff and has dedication to the game. if he's scum... we are most likely boned :p which is why i'm being careful of him right now. it looks as if he's doing some good work, but caution needs to be exercised methinks. others, less weighty factors are the facts that two townies are now dead (bad), a the mistake was made to lynch a townie in the first place (even worse), two of the most prolific lurkers are now gone (good!) and that there are still some lurky people out there, namely eclipsetail (also bad). so, on the whole, we're worse off than we were last time, if we don't take into consideration the arrival of webadict (which could be very, very good or horrificly bad, depending).


amma take a break before my next post, which will hopefully be driven a bit more by my own initiative than this one is/was.

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Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 28, 2010, 09:37:42 am
so i see that there's some concerns about me out there, namely, from webby and zako; the long and short of it seems to be that i'm being a bit lurky. i've already said that, because i'm in Scotland and (it looks like) the rest of you are in the US, i'm posting at different times to the rest of you - so i can't join in any running conversation as they happen, and i'm pretty much limited to singular posts such as this. thus, it's pretty inevitable that my volume of posts is gonna be below everyone else's. i've tried my best to make them meaty, informative and helpful; that's all i can do, and if it's not enough, well, sod all i can do about it really. please don't make me have to bring this up again - this is already the 3rd time i've had to explain.
Ah, so that's why you have spurts. Understandable, but that is still an excuse.

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webadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?
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Why, that's too easy. I'd rather that you tell me who they are.

so before i get to round to dealing with the rest of your concerns, let me say that ducking a question isn't exactly a confidence-inspiring way to open your game. don't play games buddy, we've already lost two townies. at least it looks like you got down to rounding people up after this, but still.
But nothing. I told you that I planned to answer the question when I get to it, and that's after everyone else has posted. It works a lot, too, as I become a target if I don't answer after everyone else, now don't I? So, it's really NOT a way to avoid the question. It's a way to make more posts.

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Scatterbrain - You... I can't decide, quite honestly. At some points, you actually seem exemplary as town. You make a couple Wall of Texts, which is a good thing, but my problem is that you're lurking and that you've only had one real focus the entire game: eclipsetail. Which would be easy to do if you were scum, as you could put minimal pressure on him while knowing he's scum, and hence making your argument look pretty real, while on the side not having to participate with the actual lynches.

wrong on both counts. for lurking, see above; and that i've only been focussing on eclipsetail is totally incorrect. obviously, he's been the guy i've constantly voted for (apart from when i wanted to see breadbocks lynched last round, so i changed to him <and please, go and read up on that properly, as i've already given me reasons for doing so>), but what the group of people that i have been most suspicious of all the time have been the lurkers (breadbocks aside, who is lurking less than he was, yet i remain suspicious of - i'll come back to him later). it feels like i keep pointing out over and over how dangerous they are, and how they keep getting away with slipping into the background while the active people argue over those who actually are active. we'll see how much that changes this round, given how spartan and shibdib, the two main culprits, have now gone, but if there are lurkers out there then they're as dangerous as ever.
Okay, then why don't you bring them into the game. I managed to get everyone to post; why can't you? If you're going after lurkers, then WHY ARE YOU NOT TRYING TO GET THEM TO NOT LURK? It's makes you look scummy by doing that, as it's an easy target. If you want to help the town, BRING THEM INTO THE GAME! Go and ask them questions. Like,

"HEY USEC! WHY WON'T YOU POST SOME ACTUAL SUSPICIONS?"

Or something. Dude, don't complain and then do nothing about it.

also, if you want a specific example of a person i've examined, see my analysis of zathras in the post where i vote breadbocks; and my litle piece thereafter about lurkers.

I have an odd feeling about scatterbrain right now. Call it a gut feeling, but I want to know what he thinks of breadbocks' statements and the overall town position.

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Scatterbrain, why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!

reading between the lines, your concerns are similar to those of webadict. hopefully i've already answered some of them, but if you have anything specific, do ask. also, try to add some reasons for this gut feeling - because voting on just a gut feeling, as we've seen, hasn't been the most reliable of methods in this game so far. and not giving a reason for doing so is... well, i guess i could put it down to giving me bit of a poke to get me to address some issues (hopefully, it worked!), but that strikes me as more of a day 1 sort of gambit. i'm not saying that it is scummy, but i AM saying that i noticed that it could be scummy.
Don't you dare. Not voting on your gut has cost so many games it's not even funny. That aside, you're being incredibly passive. The more and more you post, the more scummy you seem. I mean, you're not going after anyone but the bandwagon, you're being passive about people that "could be scum maybe," and you're deflecting.

what do i think of breabocks' statements? in general? well, i said at the beginning of today that i would go back over his posts and try to present the scumtells, lest people should not take him as a serious scumthreat anymore, but it seems that webadict has done that little job for me. hopefully i'll take a look anyway, and see if there was anything that was missed.
I didn't do anyone's job for anything. Do your own investigation, because if you're Town, then you should probably assume I'm lying and find your own information, either to match my own, find your own conclusions, or to support someone else's conclusion in your mind. This game isn't about having other people do things for you. That usually ends up with a scum win.

the position of town? a few factors come into this, the biggest being the arrival of webadict. if he's town, then we've gained a valuable and experienced townie who knows his stuff and has dedication to the game. if he's scum... we are most likely boned :p which is why i'm being careful of him right now. it looks as if he's doing some good work, but caution needs to be exercised methinks. others, less weighty factors are the facts that two townies are now dead (bad), a the mistake was made to lynch a townie in the first place (even worse), two of the most prolific lurkers are now gone (good!) and that there are still some lurky people out there, namely eclipsetail (also bad). so, on the whole, we're worse off than we were last time, if we don't take into consideration the arrival of webadict (which could be very, very good or horrificly bad, depending).

amma take a break before my next post, which will hopefully be driven a bit more by my own initiative than this one is/was.

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One, DON'T EDIT YOUR POSTS! There's a preview button for a reason. If you hit post on accident, quote the post and fix the errors. Editing is THE WORST!

Two, we're in a FINE SPOT! We're not in lylo today, so the game doesn't depend on this lynch. We've got a LOT of information from yesterday to use, because we know that Zathras and ribdib are Town, and therefore we know that everything they said was an attempt to help the Town.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Diablous on August 28, 2010, 09:45:34 am
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {1} - TheBroodyMoods
Scatterbrain - {1} - Zako
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
webadict - {0}
breadbocks - {1} - eclipsetail

Not voting
Scatterbrain, USEC_OFFICER, webadict, breadbocks
 
Please tell me if there are any inaccuracies.
 
 
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Don't! Even if it's just to do that, do not edit your post. Try to have those problems fixed before you submit your post, or just post again with a fixed version of it. I don't really care how you deal with that as long as you do not edit your post after submiting it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 28, 2010, 09:49:35 am
I'll vote eclipsetail.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 28, 2010, 10:54:48 am
<note; webadict has made a post directed at me since my last one, but i'm going to go ahead and make the post i had planned to make anyway. see next post for stuff relating to that>

here begins the compilation of all of the scumtells that breadbocks has dropped, for purposes already explained, and that are explained again as the post ends.

let us begin, naturally, from the beginning.

To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.

where it all began. for now, forget the stories about the 'gambit', and take this by itsself. what motives could he have for doing this? it boils down to two options; 1) innocent stupidity and noobishness, or 2) scum kicking off the game with a goblet of wine that may or may not be situated at the front of my person. at this point - given how it is a newbie game - both are believable. this is without factoring in his 'gambit'.

now, when he's asked to explain his actions...

Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/
It doesn't. First post, used to generate conversation. No point in making a truly random vote, and I'm interested on how people react to my arbitrary vote. With the mild understanding of thought process I have, I could in theory get a lead on scum. That could be my strategy, or I could be covering the possible scum position I may or may not have by voting for myself leading people to think I'm a Joker type position, or I could be a bored town role/townie. Take that as you will, I'm in this to win, be I a town-sider, a Scum-sider, or a third party.

more noobishness? or more delicious wine? perhaps both? seeing how that's twice now that we have seen some WIFOM, i'm inclined toward the less innocent option, given how scummy WIFOM is at the best of times.

There are no jokers in this game.  There are also no third parties in this game.

Just... FYI.

Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the [ur=http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambitl]BBB gambit[/url]. Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.

now, why would any townie in there right mind want to confuse the town? especially one who says - and i quote - "I'm in this to win"? if you're in it to win, then why do you want to lead town on what may or may not be a wild goose chase?! now this ISN'T noobish moronity, because he is actually contradicting himsself here. so that's option 1 pretty much eliminated already. he's a noob, but at this point, it's looking like he's a scum-noob, one that has slipped up big-time

Perhaps you could look at the title of the thread. I'd try it, because I mean, well, take a look:
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In recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:
No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?

why would whether you were being suspected or not be of any concern if you were town? at best, this is just more WIFOM. bad, bad, bad.

Who knows what would happen. Then it would be advisable to use as a Joker. Also, it would be hard to rate based on one useage. Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.

now whatever could have possibly happened to being in it to win it; which, if you were, you would be scumhunting, and not generally being a moronic mafioso? see how the scum tries to squirm out of hole he has dug himsself, yet only worms his way further down.

followed very shortly after by...

unvote breadbocks

So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.

looky here. mr in-it-to-win-it is making a vote on someone, at this very early stage in the game, without even trying to dig more dirt on the person. why not ask some questions, anything that even resembles scumhunting? it's far, far better than nothing at all. even without all the other stuff, this would be highly suspicious by itsself.

Ah well. I had fun. I suppose saying I'm a townie won't help. C'est La Vie as they say in Frenchland.
I submit to lynching. I had fun screwing around with my, and other, minds.

you'd think that, no matter how new a guy is to the game, he wouldn't resign himsself to his fate so quickly and easily if he knew that, in the end, he would flip town. or, if you like your wine in front of you, that's what he wants us to think. either way, hugely, hugely scummy.

Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.
Day end.

more wine? oh, no thanks, i've already had more than enough. otherwise... this is just cringeworthy.

Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?
Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.

i thought you'd given up? well, it appears not, and you go and hop on the bandwagon. without doing any of your own digging. again.
i'm surprised that i need to be pointing this out to people at all, really. (which is why i didn't, till he somehow survived day 1).

Secondly:
Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?
Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.

I suppose I deserve that for just asking and not being more clear; Why is he the scummiest Player? What makes him more scummy than you, who is very nearly on the verge of being lynched?

Please elaborate.

First, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
:-\

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Fourth:
Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.

What strikes me most about your posts is that you seem more blood thirsty than anything. I think its rather obvious he'll be lynched, but you seem to feel uncomfortable with the fact that people are starting to question lynching him at all, even if it is just to explore posts previously made.

I still feel very suspicious of him, but I don't think lynching him and ending the day helps anything except scum getting their night kill. We're not going to magically forget about him if we start to look at other possibilities.
THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.


Also, good to know you at least had an excuse for being MIA.

wow. ok, let's break this down a bit.

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First, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
:-\

firstly, i think it's fair to say that wanting to see your blood is totally reasonable by this point. secondly... what arguments saying that you're not scum?! you basically rolled over and died after making some weaksauce attempts at sticking up for yourself! and what arguments you did give just made things far, far worse! he was being reasonable - the person not being reasonable here is you, for not seeing that your arguments hold about as much water as a sieve.

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THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.

what do you mean, there wasn't a gambit? you voted for yourself. that, as you yourself proved with the link you provided, was a gambit. and of course you wouldn't say you were scum; that is totally a given, no matter how completely new you are to mafia. and it was so saturated with wine that, really, discerning any meaning from it - other than that you're a scumbag - is pretty undoable. and being 'too lazy' to scumhunt is... ugh, do i even have to go through this? can i move on please? thank you.


...actually, i will move on from this, because i feel that i have sufficient proved my point. webadict has even more to say on the matter; i've looked at it, and he makes a good point. the purpose of this post - to make explicit how humongously scummy breadbocks is; to show how he went past the point of no return a long, long time ago; to make sure that we don't just let him come back from the brink. i can only hope that i have done my job.



and, finally, vote eclipsetail, and if i have to go over the reasons why i'm voting this guy and not breadbocks again, then i will probably scream.


(addendum: ok, so it's inevitable that i will be asked, so, put concisely, here's why. yes, i have a mountain of dirt on breadbocks - but i have a very small molehill of pure shit on eclipsetail. and that, i think, is much, much more dangerous.)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 28, 2010, 11:18:30 am
Okay, then why don't you bring them into the game. I managed to get everyone to post; why can't you? If you're going after lurkers, then WHY ARE YOU NOT TRYING TO GET THEM TO NOT LURK? It's makes you look scummy by doing that, as it's an easy target. If you want to help the town, BRING THEM INTO THE GAME! Go and ask them questions. Like,

"HEY USEC! WHY WON'T YOU POST SOME ACTUAL SUSPICIONS?"

Or something. Dude, don't complain and then do nothing about it.

huh? i've called out lurkers several times now - like pestering shibdib for most of day 1, or prodding USEC when he got a bit quieter than normal, or basically saying that i would do my best to get spartan lynched by the end of today if he didn't appear. and there are other ways to make 'em sweat without directing questions at them; like calling them tantamount to scum. which i have - absolutely loads.

Don't you dare. Not voting on your gut has cost so many games it's not even funny. That aside, you're being incredibly passive. The more and more you post, the more scummy you seem. I mean, you're not going after anyone but the bandwagon, you're being passive about people that "could be scum maybe," and you're deflecting.

firstly; i don't have that much experience of other mafia games, so i don't know how much going on your gut does or does not work - what little evidence (broody's switching of votes) suggests it doesn't. it didn't seem like such a bad conclusion to come to. secondly; passive? going only for the bandwagon? deflecting? not sure where exactly you're getting 'passive' from, other than the effect of being on at different times (not gonna go into that AGAIN, rargh); going only for the bandwagon i very much disagree with, for practically the whole of day one i was voting for a guy that wasn't a bandwagon; and deflecting... i'm not sure in what manner you mean this, could you please clarify?

I didn't do anyone's job for anything. Do your own investigation, because if you're Town, then you should probably assume I'm lying and find your own information, either to match my own, find your own conclusions, or to support someone else's conclusion in your mind. This game isn't about having other people do things for you. That usually ends up with a scum win.

of course i didn't refer to your stuff without checking it first. chill, man!

One, DON'T EDIT YOUR POSTS! There's a preview button for a reason. If you hit post on accident, quote the post and fix the errors. Editing is THE WORST!

Two, we're in a FINE SPOT! We're not in lylo today, so the game doesn't depend on this lynch. We've got a LOT of information from yesterday to use, because we know that Zathras and ribdib are Town, and therefore we know that everything they said was an attempt to help the Town.

apologies for editing post, won't happen again :( and the opinion button has been very helfpul, cheers

and that is a very aggressive disagreement on an opinion which, i think you'll find, i've reasoned out rather well. not saying that the point you're raising is unreasonable, but rather than simply point it out you pretty much just went into attack mode. why the overreaction?

on the whole, sounds like you're putting me in a bad light without giving my posts all that much consideration; if it's scumhunting, then it's uninformed, poor scumhunting. i would've expected something more... professional, i guess, from a player of your experience, when (if?) playing town. you're making yourself pretty suspicious man.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 28, 2010, 11:19:19 am
well, i've been reading/typing for an hour and a half now, and have a bit of a sore head. don't be surprised if you don't hear much more out of me tonight :(
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: shibdib on August 28, 2010, 12:36:59 pm
My one dead post...

funny how the one game I play in where I dont have some 16 year old super detective accusing me of being scum because I spelt his name wrong (replace with any stupid reason) I get night killed the first day...
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 28, 2010, 01:01:11 pm
<note; webadict has made a post directed at me since my last one, but i'm going to go ahead and make the post i had planned to make anyway. see next post for stuff relating to that>

here begins the compilation of all of the scumtells that breadbocks has dropped, for purposes already explained, and that are explained again as the post ends.

let us begin, naturally, from the beginning.
I saw this post, was about to reply to it, and then I realized, "Why the heck do I care?"

Then I deleted it.

huh? i've called out lurkers several times now - like pestering shibdib for most of day 1, or prodding USEC when he got a bit quieter than normal, or basically saying that i would do my best to get spartan lynched by the end of today if he didn't appear. and there are other ways to make 'em sweat without directing questions at them; like calling them tantamount to scum. which i have - absolutely loads.
Okay, but saying you'll lynch them if they don't show up... makes it so you look like you're going after easy targets. Like the lurkers you're going after. If they're not here to respond to that, then you lynch them. If you lynch them and they're town, you look like a failure. The only possible win here is if you somehow manage to lynch a lurker scum. Very seldom does that occur, and that just due to pure odds. You're better off daykilling someone random on the first Day.

firstly; i don't have that much experience of other mafia games, so i don't know how much going on your gut does or does not work - what little evidence (broody's switching of votes) suggests it doesn't. it didn't seem like such a bad conclusion to come to. secondly; passive? going only for the bandwagon? deflecting? not sure where exactly you're getting 'passive' from, other than the effect of being on at different times (not gonna go into that AGAIN, rargh); going only for the bandwagon i very much disagree with, for practically the whole of day one i was voting for a guy that wasn't a bandwagon; and deflecting... i'm not sure in what manner you mean this, could you please clarify?
Okay, then I'm going to lay it straight: Broody had TWO CHOICES. Literally. Lynch Town or lynch Town. Personally, he took the worse of the two choices and killed the main contributor. That's totally different, because that was a lose-lose choice. That's like playing Three-Card Monte. Your gut can't be right when none of the choices are.

Passive: You're being passive by saying that something "might" be scummy, instead of wholeheartedly feeling it. Scum KNOW that everyone else isn't scum, so they can't FEEL someone is scum. They can get pretty darn close, but they definitely won't feel it.

Bandwagoning: Eclipsetail counts as a bandwagon, because from there on out, he was being scum and EVERYONE AGREED! So, voting for him is safe no matter what.

Deflecting: Instead of answering the problems, you're trying to say that the reason for voting for you would be invalid. That doesn't solve the main problem that they HAVE A GUT FEELING ON YOU TO BEGIN WITH! Maybe ask why they have that gut feeling. It'll boil down to something you said.

and that is a very aggressive disagreement on an opinion which, i think you'll find, i've reasoned out rather well. not saying that the point you're raising is unreasonable, but rather than simply point it out you pretty much just went into attack mode. why the overreaction?

on the whole, sounds like you're putting me in a bad light without giving my posts all that much consideration; if it's scumhunting, then it's uninformed, poor scumhunting. i would've expected something more... professional, i guess, from a player of your experience, when (if?) playing town. you're making yourself pretty suspicious man.
It wasn't an overreaction so much as to make sure everyone didn't freak out and make rash decisions. However, the longer we stall, the longer we can second-guess ourselves, the longer the scum can leave in little WIFOMs. Like that little snippet questioning my towniness.

Maybe you think it's poor, but you've also got to see that today is important, and that I would rather drag out as much information from you and everyone else as I can than die next Night without accomplishing anything. Heck, even if I'm lynched, this is better than trying to live. Think of me as suspicious, that's part of the game, but if you're going to say someone's scum, you've got to really believe it, or you won't have any attack at all. Like building a giant WoT you built on breadbocks. That's GOOD! The bad part was when the twist ending turned out to be that it was a build-up to vote someone else entirely. At least vote for the person you're building evidence for, or put it into a different post.

My one dead post...

funny how the one game I play in where I dont have some 16 year old super detective accusing me of being scum because I spelt his name wrong (replace with any stupid reason) I get night killed the first day...
... So... does this occur frequently? Have you tried spelling his name correctly?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Zako on August 28, 2010, 01:10:16 pm
Nice dissection of breadbocks. Worthy of mad science. I'm still don't think your town, but you have raised yourself in my opinion.

Breadbocks, what do you think about all the dirt that scatter just dug up on you? How do you defend yourself from that?

Eclipsetail, why aren't you saying something?! SAY SOMETHING! PROVE THAT YOU LIVE!!!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 28, 2010, 01:54:27 pm
huge amounts of leftover spaghetti bolognaise is refreshing :3

Okay, but saying you'll lynch them if they don't show up... makes it so you look like you're going after easy targets. Like the lurkers you're going after. If they're not here to respond to that, then you lynch them. If you lynch them and they're town, you look like a failure. The only possible win here is if you somehow manage to lynch a lurker scum. Very seldom does that occur, and that just due to pure odds. You're better off daykilling someone random on the first Day.
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so you're saying that lurkers, when lynched, turn out to very rarely to be scum? if that were true, then scum wouldn't lurk. which, laregely, they do - so i dispute this.

the reason i'm hounding lurkers is that A) they're hugely dangerous to town; whether active of not, they're a liability, and B), while most people in day one were (rightly so) having a bit of a go at other people, it was mostly being focussed on the people who were already active. i was (still am) being careful not to lose sight of the big picture, when i believe the real danger comes from lurkers.


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Okay, then I'm going to lay it straight: Broody had TWO CHOICES. Literally. Lynch Town or lynch Town. Personally, he took the worse of the two choices and killed the main contributor. That's totally different, because that was a lose-lose choice. That's like playing Three-Card Monte. Your gut can't be right when none of the choices are.

so you're impying that breadbocks is town. as you can probably see from my above post, i find it hard to believe that anyone could arrive at this conclusion; wasn't there anything in there that, at least, made you think twice?

Passive: You're being passive by saying that something "might" be scummy, instead of wholeheartedly feeling it. Scum KNOW that everyone else isn't scum, so they can't FEEL someone is scum. They can get pretty darn close, but they definitely won't feel it.

i think i've made it abundantly clear, for all of the time in the game that i've actually been able to form an opinion on such matters, that breadbocks and eclipsetail were my number one scumchoices, followed closely by spartan and shibdib for their lurkiness. so anything else - the only instance that immediately comes to mind is with zathras - is basically just me reasoning out what is/is not scummy about that person. i don't think i've ever cried 'scum' on anyone but the aforemention suspects; but i have been keeping tabs on them, and letting them know about it whilst seeing if anything more can be dug from them in the process. the more you know...

Bandwagoning: Eclipsetail counts as a bandwagon, because from there on out, he was being scum and EVERYONE AGREED! So, voting for him is safe no matter what.

1) well yeah, everyone agrees that eclipsetail is scum. but he has made it pretty obvious, hasn't he? and 2) i made my own, independent post explaining why, on day 1, my initial vote went to eclipsetail. the vote was made without regard to where anyone else was voting. my closing vote of the day was made WITH regard to where everyone else was voting - but only because i had every reason to suspect that one guy was scum, very little reason to suspect the other guy (something else i dissected on my own initiative) and EVERY reason for trying to avoid a nolynch.

Deflecting: Instead of answering the problems, you're trying to say that the reason for voting for you would be invalid. That doesn't solve the main problem that they HAVE A GUT FEELING ON YOU TO BEGIN WITH! Maybe ask why they have that gut feeling. It'll boil down to something you said.

gee. i thought it was pretty safe to say that my answers had been pretty comprehensive and, as far as my rambling style of writing allows, to the point. and i already did ask zako to explain more about his gut feeling. speaking of which; zako, reminding you to explain about your gut feeling some more dude.

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It wasn't an overreaction so much as to make sure everyone didn't freak out and make rash decisions. However, the longer we stall, the longer we can second-guess ourselves, the longer the scum can leave in little WIFOMs. Like that little snippet questioning my towniness.

Maybe you think it's poor, but you've also got to see that today is important, and that I would rather drag out as much information from you and everyone else as I can than die next Night without accomplishing anything. Heck, even if I'm lynched, this is better than trying to live. Think of me as suspicious, that's part of the game, but if you're going to say someone's scum, you've got to really believe it, or you won't have any attack at all. Like building a giant WoT you built on breadbocks. That's GOOD! The bad part was when the twist ending turned out to be that it was a build-up to vote someone else entirely. At least vote for the person you're building evidence for, or put it into a different post.

but there ARE people who i believe are scum; you're just not seeing me saying so, and saying why i think so. all of that seems to have escaped your notice. i'll agree that, for so far in day 2, my calling out of eclipsetail has actually been implied, and not made actual and explicit - but i've had to attend to other matters first, and the implication, i felt, was more than strong enough to provoke a reaction anyway. as for evidence for him - for all of the evidence that there is on eclipsetail in the first place, i might as well just copy and paste my post about him from day one; with his, what, one extra post added in.

to conclude: i'm not really sure about you webadict. this looks like scumhunting, and i'll buy that sometimes you need to be scrappy just for the sake of having a go... but that's all i really have to go on for now. that, and some 'hey guys post some more' posts over the last few pages. it's alright, but nothing really substantial, and nothing that makes me feel safe about you yet.

...you see? i'm now saying you're really really definately scum. but then, why should i, when for the time being i don't think you are? and why would you imply that thinking that is a bad thing?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 28, 2010, 01:55:18 pm
ugh, forgot to preview post... what the hell, figure it out yourselves :p
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 28, 2010, 01:57:26 pm
fakeedit: i'm noT saying that you're reall really etc

maybe i'm more tired than i thought >_>
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 28, 2010, 03:59:02 pm
Nice dissection of breadbocks. Worthy of mad science. I'm still don't think your town, but you have raised yourself in my opinion.

Breadbocks, what do you think about all the dirt that scatter just dug up on you? How do you defend yourself from that?

Eclipsetail, why aren't you saying something?! SAY SOMETHING! PROVE THAT YOU LIVE!!!
First off, somehow, people keep thinking I made the vote on me at the beginning was a gambit. As I have said so, so, so many times, it was to make conversation. There was not a single game post before that. No wine, no hidden agenda. Just an icebreaker. I had all intentions on voting for someone once I had a reason to, but there was nothing yet.

Next, in the second example you gave, there was no wifom that I could see. Just me pointing out various possibilities on what I could be.

For the third example, I was stating that it would be interesting to see the crew of a beginner game deliberate whether a self-admitted scum was Joker or scum. Same deal with the fourth example. Me discussing the merits or lack thereof of the BBB gambit. Also in the fourth example, you misread the post. I didn't say no one would suspect me, just a BBB gambit.

Fifth example. Why else would anyone want to play, if not for fun and challenge. I want to win, but I want to have fun more. And I specified straight scumhunting, not my own brand of it.

Sixth example, well what would I ask? "Sparten, are you scum? Durrrrr"

Seventh & Eighth example: What would you have done in my position? It was seeming like I was going to be lynched, and defending myself only seemed to condemn myself further, so why not speed things up?

Ninth, I did do digging. He was striking me as suspicious, so I voted for him.

Tenth, see eight.

Eleventh example is just you restating what has been said. So I'll restate what I said. IT WAS THE FIRST POST OF THE DAMN GAME. Where the hell would I stash a gambit in that, and who the hell would I have been pulling a gambit on?
ugh, forgot to preview post... what the hell, figure it out yourselves :p
O RLY?

Also, good afternoon all.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 28, 2010, 04:11:23 pm
Incase Webaddict didn't see it:

I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things.

And before you ask, that is the only time I can spend on the Internet.

Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.
If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?

I assume you already know the answer.


USEC_OFFICER - Everything you post isn't really anything that is helpful. You were doing well on Day 1, but you've gotten a lacklusterful Day 2 start. Heck, I'm no longer sure if I can put you above BroodyMoods with what he did, but I kinda have to, just because of you really don't have anything to contribute. You're just bandwagoning on eclipsetail here, and I pointed out a flaw in your argument which you have yet to respond to, but I'm still open to see more from you.

Can I first say, I'm doing way better than my second game.

Right, now with that out of the way...

So, being the fourth person to say that eclipsetail is scummy is bandwagoning, but being the last person to say it isn't?

Here's a list of people, from scummy, to least scummy:
eclipsetail
Scatterbrain
USEC_OFFICER
TheBroodyMoods
breadbocks
Zako
Webadict

(Snipped, for easier reading.)

Because seeing that you placed him at the top of your list, after everybody else has posted, looks like bandwagoning.

I assume that your answer will involve saying that you always suspected him, or that he really should be lynched. Well, what prevents me from sayin the same thing? If I think eclipsetail is the scummiest and should be lynched, then I should be able to say that, no matter what people have said before me!

I'll try to contribute more (doubt you'll like it much.)

Now, for my list of scummy players, which I promised everybody I would post today:

Eclipse: I posted my reasons before, but I'll also add that he has not been answering any questions directed at him. (Like one I asked you)

Eclipsetail, what made you oppose extention without posting a reason? And why did you not post for two whole days before that?

Even if Eclipse is town, with the way he's been acting, it would hurt the town to keep him alive to day three, unless we manage to lynch one of the scum today, then he would be dangerous on day four. Eclipse looks (and has been acting like) a person that the scum could easily manipulate. As long as the scum can keep him voting on the same person, they have the game in the bag.

Breadbocks would be my next choice for the second most scummiest. He's been acting like an idiot, but I'm not 100% percent sure that he's only a noob or a noob who happens to be scum. If Eclipse happens to be scum, then I doubt Breadbocks would be his scum partner (And the otherway around), seeing as Shibdib was nightkilled. If they were scum together, I would imagine that either Zako or BroodyMoods would have been nightkilled instead (As it seems more like a noobish NK than Shibdib, which I would assoiate with their characters.)

Webaddict, you be my third choice for most scummiest. There are two reasons why I placed you third on my list.

First, Spartan's response to Zathras on page seven (You can't miss it, it's the only one he posted:)

I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.

What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!

He says he's not lurking, but picking up scumtells, which sends warning signals to me as a terrible response, one that should have looked to him as a terrible response too. Of course, you can't account for Spartan's responses, so my second reason is this:

Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.
Well, I don't want people to bandwagon behind me in case I'm wrong. It's unlikely that I'm wrong, but I don't want to have to dig through sheep-followers after I say who it is I think is scum. After I have some answers (You need one too, pal), I'll divulge my secrets.

And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.

Ther bottom part of the post caught my eye. Seems out of place to me. Strikes me as scummy. So I'm going with my gut and placing you at third.

BroodyMoods, Zako and Scatterbrain have not really drawn my attention in any way, though I would not rule out the possiblity of the scum being any of them.

Now if you exuse me, I'm done typing for an hour and thirty minutes, and shall instead play majesty.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 28, 2010, 04:51:15 pm
Incase Webaddict didn't see it:

I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things.

And before you ask, that is the only time I can spend on the Internet.
Doesn't mean you can't post what you can.

Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.
If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?

I assume you already know the answer.


USEC_OFFICER - Everything you post isn't really anything that is helpful. You were doing well on Day 1, but you've gotten a lacklusterful Day 2 start. Heck, I'm no longer sure if I can put you above BroodyMoods with what he did, but I kinda have to, just because of you really don't have anything to contribute. You're just bandwagoning on eclipsetail here, and I pointed out a flaw in your argument which you have yet to respond to, but I'm still open to see more from you.

Can I first say, I'm doing way better than my second game.

Right, now with that out of the way...

So, being the fourth person to say that eclipsetail is scummy is bandwagoning, but being the last person to say it isn't?
... Yes!

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP%27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia

LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.

Here's a list of people, from scummy, to least scummy:
eclipsetail
Scatterbrain
USEC_OFFICER
TheBroodyMoods
breadbocks
Zako
Webadict

(Snipped, for easier reading.)

Because seeing that you placed him at the top of your list, after everybody else has posted, looks like bandwagoning.

I assume that your answer will involve saying that you always suspected him, or that he really should be lynched. Well, what prevents me from sayin the same thing? If I think eclipsetail is the scummiest and should be lynched, then I should be able to say that, no matter what people have said before me!
I know, right?! I mean, definitely bandwagoning because I...

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bandwagon

Followed with no original reasoning whatsoever.

Nothing prevents you from saying anything. Some things just make you look like scum. I might even have to boost you to spot number two, as this scatterbrain fellow seems to hold his weight.

I'll try to contribute more (doubt you'll like it much.)

Now, for my list of scummy players, which I promised everybody I would post today:

Eclipse: I posted my reasons before, but I'll also add that he has not been answering any questions directed at him. (Like one I asked you)

Eclipsetail, what made you oppose extention without posting a reason? And why did you not post for two whole days before that?

Even if Eclipse is town, with the way he's been acting, it would hurt the town to keep him alive to day three, unless we manage to lynch one of the scum today, then he would be dangerous on day four. Eclipse looks (and has been acting like) a person that the scum could easily manipulate. As long as the scum can keep him voting on the same person, they have the game in the bag.
I had the same thought, which is why I can't waste a lynch on you right now.

Breadbocks would be my next choice for the second most scummiest. He's been acting like an idiot, but I'm not 100% percent sure that he's only a noob or a noob who happens to be scum. If Eclipse happens to be scum, then I doubt Breadbocks would be his scum partner (And the otherway around), seeing as Shibdib was nightkilled. If they were scum together, I would imagine that either Zako or BroodyMoods would have been nightkilled instead (As it seems more like a noobish NK than Shibdib, which I would assoiate with their characters.)

Webaddict, you be my third choice for most scummiest. There are two reasons why I placed you third on my list.

First, Spartan's response to Zathras on page seven (You can't miss it, it's the only one he posted:)

I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.

What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!

He says he's not lurking, but picking up scumtells, which sends warning signals to me as a terrible response, one that should have looked to him as a terrible response too. Of course, you can't account for Spartan's responses, so my second reason is this:

Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.
Well, I don't want people to bandwagon behind me in case I'm wrong. It's unlikely that I'm wrong, but I don't want to have to dig through sheep-followers after I say who it is I think is scum. After I have some answers (You need one too, pal), I'll divulge my secrets.

And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.

Ther bottom part of the post caught my eye. Seems out of place to me. Strikes me as scummy. So I'm going with my gut and placing you at third.

BroodyMoods, Zako and Scatterbrain have not really drawn my attention in any way, though I would not rule out the possiblity of the scum being any of them.

Now if you exuse me, I'm done typing for an hour and thirty minutes, and shall instead play majesty.
... The bottom part... strikes you as scummy? How on Earth does that make any sense? What seems out of place in there?

Seems like a pretty lame way to make me third, which means that you don't think I'm scum, just a possibility of scum. I, on the other hand, have just made you second, for finding nothing suspicious about those other three.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 28, 2010, 05:12:18 pm
... Yes!

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP%27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia

LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.

SO, time for some asskicking (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HoistByHisOwnPetard).

On that same link you gave us, it also states if one says without an "if" someone is a townie, which was pointed out by Scatter.
[snip]
Quote
Okay, then I'm going to lay it straight: Broody had TWO CHOICES. Literally. Lynch Town or lynch Town. Personally, he took the worse of the two choices and killed the main contributor. That's totally different, because that was a lose-lose choice. That's like playing Three-Card Monte. Your gut can't be right when none of the choices are.

so you're impying that breadbocks is town. as you can probably see from my above post, i find it hard to believe that anyone could arrive at this conclusion; wasn't there anything in there that, at least, made you think twice?[snip]


LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 28, 2010, 05:53:11 pm
... Yes!

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP%27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia

LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.

SO, time for some asskicking (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HoistByHisOwnPetard).

On that same link you gave us, it also states if one says without an "if" someone is a townie, which was pointed out by Scatter.
[snip]
Quote
Okay, then I'm going to lay it straight: Broody had TWO CHOICES. Literally. Lynch Town or lynch Town. Personally, he took the worse of the two choices and killed the main contributor. That's totally different, because that was a lose-lose choice. That's like playing Three-Card Monte. Your gut can't be right when none of the choices are.

so you're impying that breadbocks is town. as you can probably see from my above post, i find it hard to believe that anyone could arrive at this conclusion; wasn't there anything in there that, at least, made you think twice?[snip]


LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.
It doesn't work if the person knows about it. But, nice try. Look at number 6, ya idiot.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 29, 2010, 12:28:35 am
Now, who else has yet to answer, besides me?

I'd like to try and make a more concise list, thank you very much. List most scummy to least.

Eclipsetail : for obvious reasons; Lurking, Bandwagoning previous day, Opposing day extension, lack of explanations, generally all around scummy attitude.

breadbocks: same reasons as before. His posts are light, and while not nearly as bad as Eclipsetail's, he seems to leave a lot of room for wiggling. He also tends to vote first and explain later.

Zako: Support the lynch of Zathras and was the one who really drove the point home. I have doubts about his townie-hood. Seems remorseful about the innocent lynch, but having lead it to spare breadbocks, despite insisting that he thought Zathras was scum, I can't help but wonder if he was saving a scum buddy or just a good draw for town's attentions later.

Webaddict: No offense, you're a good player. You're making folks jump through hoops, which could be your veteran way of teaching/hazing/humoring us. If you were scum you'd tear us apart. You've taken over for a player who hadn't posted a single thing- damning or otherwise. I have no reason to really trust you, which is why I have every reason thus far to suspect you. Points, however, for trying to draw people into the game for your parlor scene.

I have some reservations about the rest, but these are the top four suspects- and the top two being who I see as scum team at the moment (or at least highest on the terrorist watch list).
I like you. Very creative answer. Wrong on a lot of points, but still, nice answer. Yeah, eclipsetail is more than likely scum and breadbocks is a good third choice, but why Zako or me and not scatteredbrain?

Problem is, you're not looking at everyone. You're looking at only the people that are talking, which doesn't include scatteredbrain, who is lurking hardcore. It's just a short-sightedness I'd like to make sure you correct. And, just so you know that this is more of an IC comment and not one to deflect away from myself, it's okay to be suspicious of the talking people. It's just not okay to NOT be suspicious of the quiet ones.

EDIT: You're also DEAD WRONG ON THE ZATHRAS LYNCH. See, YOU were the one that lynched Zathras, and pinning the blame on someone else? That's just downright scumtacular of you. See, I didn't notice that until I went searching, but that's exactly what you did. YOU lynched him. Zako threw out evidence on him. Just for that, I had to boost you up on my list, you lying sack of crap.

Just so everyone is aware, here's his post:
I'll likely regret this, but I have to go with my gut:

unvote

Zathras, I sincerely hope I am not wrong about this.
He basically lynched Zathras by himself. I wouldn't mind that if he wasn't a man and stuck by it, but he just lost a whole ton of points in that one line.

DOUBLE EDIT: Also, your scumlist looks a little familiar...

For the record, before the day ends, I agree with you on eclipsetail. If I do hang, when I flip town, go after him even above breadbox. He bandwagoned on both of us, and seems happy to see anyone hang. If this is the case, the other one is probably Zako, since went after me safely knowing that breadbox is a townie because he knows who the scum is, and made no attempt whatsoever of going after eclipse.
Oh right, it's the list of that guy who you lynched, with a little twist at the end. Well, almost. The breadbocks thing isn't his, but breadbocks was the person you were voting previously.

Fair enough. I don't suspect scatterbrain, likely, out of laziness. I've skimmed his posts but as they tend more occasional than regular, I do not give them the same scrutiny. Or, honestly, USEC for that matter. I'll be amending that shortly (ugh, text block).

Zako, merely as he was the first to really oppose Zathras, and it also seemed to be in defense of breadbocks. He denies this by saying that breadbocks is just idiot town. I suspected Zathras at first mostly for asking for a day shorten, zealous attacks on breadbocks and at the beginning of his scumhunt marking shibdip as the next to be lynched for lurking- which seemed terribly counter-productive and leading the vote for the next active day. The fact that Zathras flipped town just can't help but make me wonder- Was Zako scum? Without Zako there's no way there'd be those other two votes on him (I consider breadbocks' vote a given, seeing as he was going to be lynched and this was his biggest opponent).

I first put my vote on Zathras to lean on him a little (at the time that made it a 3 to 2 lead over breadbocks). I wanted to see if he'd crack up. It didn't appear to me that he cracked up and there was the sudden bandwagon by eclipsetail, which made me uncomfortable. I moved my vote back over to breadbocks, feeling safer with the 3-3 tie that created. At that point I figured scum would make a move- which thinking about it now sort of happened. Scatterbrain moved his vote over to breadbocks- hmp. I'll get back to that in a moment, actually.

As the day wore on we had another gem from eclipsetail, opposing the day extension- which flustered me. The immediate thought was "Scum"; than I joined this up with zathras' opposition to the day extension. I had a very hard time of deciding what to do next. As I said earlier, I wanted to move my vote to Spartan 117 to three way tie the vote. I figured this would get scum moving (although it would be just as likely that Zathras would have moved his vote there- and if you're town spartan would have flipped town and I would be accusing zathras of scum play), just before the clock timed out. I really languished on the decision, mentally, ultimately deciding that- in some strange way- that eclipsetail bandwagoned as cover for himself and zathras.

As zathras posted toward the end of the day I was becoming convinced that he was town. But I had to stick with my gut feeling on this- even though it was wrong. If only I had known, which is obviously not possible. I also figured if I threw my vote off of zathras onto breadbocks that the vote hopping would create an epic amount of debate the next day.

Probably sounds scummy, I know. But despite what you may say, no one lynches anyone by themselves. There were three other votes there- mine just decided the vote. And if Spartan showed up or eclipsetail had decided to, they could have as well.

Also, the quote you're using there has zathras agreeing with me about my suspicions of eclipsetail- agreeing with a post I made previous to this quote. I know Zathras and I had both been suspicious of him previously, but he moved up in both of our scum lists toward the end of day one. Yes, breadbocks I still find curious. I am having a bit of a Pandora's box moment, mixed with The Grass is Greener" syndrome.

But back to the thought on scatterbrain: if he were scum I don't see how moving his vote to breadbocks would be beneficial. Breadbocks would provide a great cover for later on and a huge draw for suspicion. Hmm, I need to think about that more. I'll be rereading- it may take a while, but I'll try to keep abreast of new information/posts.

These are also only answers to Webaddict's questions. If I missed anything let me know, please.

I think this post is a bit outdated, as there has been a short novel published in this thread since the last time I read. I would like to finish it up with this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Humor is always the best answer. Though, not the least suspicious one.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 29, 2010, 06:29:43 am
Hm... Okay.

Then, I'll leave the scum at eclipsetail and USEC. For they could not satisfy my prerequisites on non-scummitude. I'm hoping I'm not wrong, but I'm feeling pretty good about this.

If anyone has anything else to say, say it now. I've... I dunno, I ran out of things to say, plus boosted the number of responses and activity by a ton.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 29, 2010, 09:21:16 am
just remembering that i didn't get back to you about the question i asked you broody;

The reason I ultimately switched my vote was a gut feeling (shows me right). As I said previously I thought there was some sort of common thread between Eclipsetail and Zathras, both of them opposing the day extension and all. The way Eclipsetail was acting was just making me very nervous. I didn't know if he was voting his scum buddy so if he flipped it would look good for him or what. Whatever the case in retrospect my reasoning doesn't seem nearly as sound. I was hoping to elicit a response out of him. My initial thought was to switch my vote to spartan and make a three way tie- I figured that would force people (scum) to make their move by highlighting three potential candidates (of whom all were suspicious in some aspect or another).

However, I switched my vote and I couldn't make an adequate reason to switch it again with the lynch so close- even though Zathras' last posts made me want to switch. My bad. I just ground my teeth and bore it. But in all fairness I would suspect me as well, given your position.

like i said, you would need a damn good reason to pull something as game-changingly big as that - and as you're saying yourself, it just... wasn't. and 'going with your gut' doesn't fit in with someone who's game seems to be based on reason and deduction. also, not looking over USEC and mysself - that, too doesn't fit in with the rest of who you are coming across as, a pretty watertight and watchful townie.

nevertheless, i still think you're town; even though you haven't come under any real suspicion so far, you're giving off good vibes and have, on the whole, been helpful to the cause. and those are the only two things i have picked up on - just saying it doesn't all add up, yknow? but i'm not being very helpful by just saying this; so i'm gonna ask you, broody, to A) account for USEC and mysself, once you have read through the latter part of the thread that has sprung up, and B) give your thoughts on said new part of thread - particularly if your thoughts on breadbocks have changed any, as you seem to be humming and hawing about him alot. but to be honest, i'd be surprised if you didn't get round to doing those things anyway.


oh, and another reminder to zako to elaborate on the reasons for his 'gut feelings' about me. could you be any more specific? it must be pretty strong for you to be actually voting for me; it's hard to believe that you have nothing you can point at and say, 'that's why'.


and, as if i haven't made it abundantly clear already, i think that eclipsetail - yes, i'm talking to you, buddy! hello there! - is scum, and would like him to put a post of some kind in; hell, at this point i don't care if you say 'hey guys, i'm really the mafia, LOL', because unless you pull something major out of the hat then my opinion about you is too far gone to be changed any, but still - fight back just a tiny bit, maybe?! these votes aren't going to go away just because you're pretending they aren't there!

while i'm on the subject, a word to diablous; has eclipsetail been poked yet? have you had any sort of indication (that you can share with us) that he is alive? how close is he, at this point, to being replaced?


If anyone has anything else to say, say it now. I've... I dunno, I ran out of things to say, plus boosted the number of responses and activity by a ton.

it's a long time till nightfall buddy. i don't want you putting in a good word for yourself, then scampering off into the distance. i'll start you off with this to talk about; i had some questions directed at you, webadict, particularly at the tail-end of the last post i made in response to your own. care to answer some of them for me? or, at least, give your thoughts on them? i'm not certain if you backing down at the end of that was you deciding that i was safe enough townie, or if you're scum getting scared that you'd gotten in too deep. hopefully i'll be able to make a better judgement after i've read dialogue between yourself and USEC.


speaking of that; will look into it later. really tired right now, so i'll leave it for a bit. that, and keeping up my part of the correspondence with breadbocks.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 29, 2010, 09:53:07 am
Right, sorry. I remembered seeing this and was going to answer, but I had some things to do.

so you're impying that breadbocks is town. as you can probably see from my above post, i find it hard to believe that anyone could arrive at this conclusion; wasn't there anything in there that, at least, made you think twice?
He is more likely town. I'm more biased on the fact that I tried the same thing in another game (Although with much different circumstances), but his reasoning to begin with was terribad, but then it seemed legitimate near the end.

i think i've made it abundantly clear, for all of the time in the game that i've actually been able to form an opinion on such matters, that breadbocks and eclipsetail were my number one scumchoices, followed closely by spartan and shibdib for their lurkiness. so anything else - the only instance that immediately comes to mind is with zathras - is basically just me reasoning out what is/is not scummy about that person. i don't think i've ever cried 'scum' on anyone but the aforemention suspects; but i have been keeping tabs on them, and letting them know about it whilst seeing if anything more can be dug from them in the process. the more you know...
Right, but the scum KNOW that the people they're after aren't scum, hence they have reservations about calling people scum, either because they don't feel so or because they're afraid it'll attract attention.

1) well yeah, everyone agrees that eclipsetail is scum. but he has made it pretty obvious, hasn't he? and 2) i made my own, independent post explaining why, on day 1, my initial vote went to eclipsetail. the vote was made without regard to where anyone else was voting. my closing vote of the day was made WITH regard to where everyone else was voting - but only because i had every reason to suspect that one guy was scum, very little reason to suspect the other guy (something else i dissected on my own initiative) and EVERY reason for trying to avoid a nolynch.
Mkay.

to conclude: i'm not really sure about you webadict. this looks like scumhunting, and i'll buy that sometimes you need to be scrappy just for the sake of having a go... but that's all i really have to go on for now. that, and some 'hey guys post some more' posts over the last few pages. it's alright, but nothing really substantial, and nothing that makes me feel safe about you yet.

...you see? i'm now saying you're really really definately scum. but then, why should i, when for the time being i don't think you are? and why would you imply that thinking that is a bad thing?
I'm just saying that you need to be sure of yourself, or you may end up second-guessing yourself until the end.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Zathras on August 29, 2010, 10:29:03 am
A mysterious voice from the grave cries "Hey mod, how about a vote count?"

You also feel that the Universe is pleased with the increased activity and the renewed voices of those silent for so long...
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Zako on August 29, 2010, 10:50:53 am
Programmingprogrammingprogrammingprogramming...

My god, look at the code! IT'S EVERYWHERE!

Sorry once again, it's just that I have to hand in a assignment this week and it still needs work.

For scatterbrain:

My gut feeling was that you were always in the background. You didn't stand out much and didn't make too much of a fuss, which seemed scummy to me at the time. You have now proven yourself in my eyes however. Unvote. Keep up that scumhunting!

Now.... my attention has come on to breadbocks. I've been considerable for him this game since he has given many newb tells to me, but I must admit, he is looking very shaky.

Nice dissection of breadbocks. Worthy of mad science. I'm still don't think your town, but you have raised yourself in my opinion.

Breadbocks, what do you think about all the dirt that scatter just dug up on you? How do you defend yourself from that?

Eclipsetail, why aren't you saying something?! SAY SOMETHING! PROVE THAT YOU LIVE!!!
First off, somehow, people keep thinking I made the vote on me at the beginning was a gambit. As I have said so, so, so many times, it was to make conversation. There was not a single game post before that. No wine, no hidden agenda. Just an icebreaker. I had all intentions on voting for someone once I had a reason to, but there was nothing yet.

Next, in the second example you gave, there was no wifom that I could see. Just me pointing out various possibilities on what I could be.

For the third example, I was stating that it would be interesting to see the crew of a beginner game deliberate whether a self-admitted scum was Joker or scum. Same deal with the fourth example. Me discussing the merits or lack thereof of the BBB gambit. Also in the fourth example, you misread the post. I didn't say no one would suspect me, just a BBB gambit.

Fifth example. Why else would anyone want to play, if not for fun and challenge. I want to win, but I want to have fun more. And I specified straight scumhunting, not my own brand of it.

Sixth example, well what would I ask? "Sparten, are you scum? Durrrrr"

Seventh & Eighth example: What would you have done in my position? It was seeming like I was going to be lynched, and defending myself only seemed to condemn myself further, so why not speed things up?

Ninth, I did do digging. He was striking me as suspicious, so I voted for him.

Tenth, see eight.

Eleventh example is just you restating what has been said. So I'll restate what I said. IT WAS THE FIRST POST OF THE DAMN GAME. Where the hell would I stash a gambit in that, and who the hell would I have been pulling a gambit on?
ugh, forgot to preview post... what the hell, figure it out yourselves :p
O RLY?

Also, good afternoon all.

Firstly, you openly discussed a related gambit. Bad idea, as it puts the wrong ideas in the town's heads. You could have instead gone with a nice random vote and get a reaction that way.

Don't say what you COULD be, say what you ARE. Don't confuse us, it's scummy.

It was quite clear that there was no joker role in this mafia thread. If you want to discuss a tatic that could apply elsewhere, make a thread for it, but dont talk about it here.

What part of TEAMWORK don't you understand? It's a TEAM game, not a single player game.

Why not? You should never be afraid to ask questions, its the towny thing to do. Only scum have fear.

Townies don't fear the lynch before lylo. If they die but all the scum die afterwards anyway, they still WIN. Even if they are dead, townies can still win. If you are going to go out, go out with a bang and ATTACK! You have NOTHING to loose. Plus, shortening the day hurts other townies if they don't know whats going on. Therefore, its scummy.

The whole point is that you ask questions as you vote. PUSH HIM. Make him answer questons with your vote hanging over him like a sign of doom. It will help him to crack.

It was the first post of the game, and you kicked it off by making a statement to raise wtf's in the town. Think it through before you do something like that, you only hurt yourself and got little out of it, as far as I can tell.

So, Breadbocks, I want to see what you have to say to this. What's your explaination for all of these slips?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Diablous on August 29, 2010, 11:17:17 am
Votecount:
lipsetail - {4} - TheBroodyMoods, webadict, USEC_OFFICER, Scatterbrain
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
webadict - {0}
breadbocks - {2} - eclipsetail, Zako

Not voting
breadbocks

If there are any errors, tell me.
 
while i'm on the subject, a word to diablous; has eclipsetail been poked yet? have you had any sort of indication (that you can share with us) that he is alive? how close is he, at this point, to being replaced?

I just prodded him. Told him his level of activity isn't really acceptable, and he needs to be more active, or he'll wind up replaced. He's been on about everyday, and I've seen him post in other threads.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 29, 2010, 01:54:17 pm
I just prodded him. Told him his level of activity isn't really acceptable, and he needs to be more active, or he'll wind up replaced. He's been on about everyday, and I've seen him post in other threads.
This tends to happen when they're scum.

Or when they hate playing mafia.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Vector on August 29, 2010, 02:01:39 pm
Surprising number of people who find they hate this after they try, huh?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 30, 2010, 06:51:17 am
Surprising number of people who find they hate this after they try, huh?
Apparently. It's like they hate psychological battles and would rather play FPS instead.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 30, 2010, 07:17:36 am
Surprising number of people who find they hate this after they try, huh?
Apparently. It's like they hate psychological battles and would rather play FPS instead.
For me, it's more of a waiting thing. I like RTS's. But yeah, you have to fit in a niche to like this.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Zako on August 30, 2010, 07:46:48 am
By the way, answer my questions bread.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Tack on August 30, 2010, 07:57:10 am
I don't know. I'd have to say I quite enjoy it. And IMHO, anyone who really tried it out would enjoy it too.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 30, 2010, 09:55:28 am
But the graphics suck.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 30, 2010, 02:12:56 pm
gah. i was gonna get around to making another biggish post today, but i might not have time now. and i'm going to university open days tomorrow and the day after; i might be able to remain active, but i'll have other things squeezing on my time and so might not be able to post that much. sorry guys :(
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 30, 2010, 04:13:23 pm
By the way, answer my questions bread.
Hmm? Dig back a page Oh. Well...

First question: The part I don't understand is why TEAMWORK doesn't have an "F", a "U", or an "N" in it.

Next question: Fine. Spartan webadict, are you scum, DRRRR?

Summery of the rest of it: I don't like the game. It is a huge timesink, it is confusing, and at this point, I don't really care about it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 30, 2010, 04:14:07 pm
Also, can I get a modkill and spoilspec, so I can leave?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Vector on August 30, 2010, 04:44:31 pm
Also, can I get a modkill and spoilspec, so I can leave?

I suggest you request a replacement.  It's the usual thing in these sorts of situations--though why you want a spoilspec when you dislike the game so much is beyond me.

EDIT: Diablous, if you need a replace then Aklyon has been looking for a BM.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Diablous on August 30, 2010, 04:55:40 pm
Also, can I get a modkill and spoilspec, so I can leave?

I think a modkill is a bit much. A replacement would be better in my opinion. I'll just replace you.

EDIT: Diablous, if you need a replace then Aklyon has been looking for a BM.

Cool. I'll contact him about replacing breadbocks. Thanks.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 30, 2010, 05:16:42 pm
By the way, answer my questions bread.
Hmm? Dig back a page Oh. Well...

First question: The part I don't understand is why TEAMWORK doesn't have an "F", a "U", or an "N" in it.

Next question: Fine. Spartan webadict, are you scum, DRRRR?

Summery of the rest of it: I don't like the game. It is a huge timesink, it is confusing, and at this point, I don't really care about it.
It has the word WORK in it. Also, the word KATEWORM.

No, I'm not scum.

And yes, it IS a timesink. But, it's an acquired taste, I suppose. It's not confusing at all unless you make it so, but it is a brain-worker. And see ya. Well, no, I won't, because I OWN this area.

FEAR ME!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: breadbocks on August 30, 2010, 05:43:34 pm
Also, can I get a modkill and spoilspec, so I can leave?

I suggest you request a replacement.  It's the usual thing in these sorts of situations--though why you want a spoilspec when you dislike the game so much is beyond me.

EDIT: Diablous, if you need a replace then Aklyon has been looking for a BM.
I'm fine with a replace. And the reason I want a spoilspec is so I know who the hell is scum. And if there are any roles.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 30, 2010, 05:52:44 pm
I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.

We can end the day and I'll show you.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 30, 2010, 09:04:43 pm
I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.

We can end the day and I'll show you.

Webaddict, before you joined the game would you have suspect Spartan? Did taking over for him and getting Town surprise you? What assumptions, if any, did that break for you than say having joined in as myself or Zathras (May he rest in peace)?

Sorry, this is just a thought I had I wanted to share before making a mega post to about USEC and Scatterbrain (having fully appraised them).

My vote, however, remains set on Eclipsetail.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 30, 2010, 09:09:25 pm
I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.

We can end the day and I'll show you.

Webaddict, before you joined the game would you have suspect Spartan? Did taking over for him and getting Town surprise you? What assumptions, if any, did that break for you than say having joined in as myself or Zathras (May he rest in peace)?

Sorry, this is just a thought I had I wanted to share before making a mega post to about USEC and Scatterbrain (having fully appraised them).

My vote, however, remains set on Eclipsetail.
No because I had assumed that the two people I chose beforehand were scum. Sooo... all of your questions are moot.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 30, 2010, 09:12:46 pm
I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.

We can end the day and I'll show you.

Webaddict, before you joined the game would you have suspect Spartan? Did taking over for him and getting Town surprise you? What assumptions, if any, did that break for you than say having joined in as myself or Zathras (May he rest in peace)?

Sorry, this is just a thought I had I wanted to share before making a mega post to about USEC and Scatterbrain (having fully appraised them).

My vote, however, remains set on Eclipsetail.
No because I had assumed that the two people I chose beforehand were scum. Sooo... all of your questions are moot.

Not all of them, but okay: Why didn't you suspect Spartan?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Tack on August 30, 2010, 10:49:04 pm
It has been a long time, and various people haven't responded to any remarks.

Eclipsetail might need replacing too, methinks.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 31, 2010, 07:20:48 am
I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.

We can end the day and I'll show you.

Webaddict, before you joined the game would you have suspect Spartan? Did taking over for him and getting Town surprise you? What assumptions, if any, did that break for you than say having joined in as myself or Zathras (May he rest in peace)?

Sorry, this is just a thought I had I wanted to share before making a mega post to about USEC and Scatterbrain (having fully appraised them).

My vote, however, remains set on Eclipsetail.
No because I had assumed that the two people I chose beforehand were scum. Sooo... all of your questions are moot.

Not all of them, but okay: Why didn't you suspect Spartan?
Because I say how he acted in BYOR 4 applied meta-knowledge to this game.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Scatterbrain on August 31, 2010, 10:30:01 am
i'm noticing that conversation has dried up the past two day.

so, unless there's any of you that are planning on answering the questions before the days end, or if it's likely that breadbocks will be replaced before the days end, or if there's any other reason that has been missed; then i'm going to tentatively-oh-so-gently-wait-i'm-being-reasonable-here suggest that we (whisper it) shorten day? it's just that it appears as if we've run out of thing to talk about. personally, i was gonna answer breadbocks' defensive, but if he's dropping anyway then i won't bother.

but if you've got a reason for not doing so - like, more to contribute, but you just haven't got round to it yet - then by all means, we'll carry on the day. hell, extend it if you liked; i'm just noticing that everyone seems to have run out of things to talk about for now :/
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: webadict on August 31, 2010, 11:00:52 am
Nah, you're right. I was only making sure everyone said what was needed to be said before they possibly died. Shorten the Day, because otherwise we'll burn out.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Diablous on August 31, 2010, 02:15:53 pm
Aklyon is replacing breadbocks.

Votecount:
eclipsetail - {4} - TheBroodyMoods, webadict, USEC_OFFICER, Scatterbrain
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
webadict - {0}
Aklyon - {2} - eclipsetail, Zako

Not voting
Aklyon
 
Two shorten requests heard. 3 or 4 needed to end the day
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on August 31, 2010, 02:56:14 pm
Day Shorten would be fine by me. Just been hectic with classes and work in rapid succession. I apologize.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 2 - No mercy
Post by: Diablous on August 31, 2010, 06:02:41 pm
Well, there's about a half hour left, and you guys want a shorten, so the day ends now.

The decision is made again. This time you all decide that it is eclipsetail. It has to be him. Unlike Zathras, he just stares off as he is condemned. Rope is gathered again, and soon eclipsetail is hung. His body is searched, but nothing is found except for keys. Soon you all search his home. A thorough search turns up nothing. There is no evidence that he was part of the Mafia. He was just another townie.

Another innocent lynched. As night falls, you all silently return to your homes.


[/flavor]

eclipstail has been lynched. eclipsetail was a Townie(town).

Night 2 has begun. Send in your night actions!
 
Night ends Thursday, 7:30 PM EST, or when all night actions are sent in. Whichever comes first.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Night 2 - Three innocents dead
Post by: Diablous on September 02, 2010, 04:03:14 pm
Sorry guys, but some RL stuff means I have to postpone Day 3 until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Night 2 - Three innocents dead
Post by: Diablous on September 03, 2010, 06:04:39 pm
Sorry for the wait, guys. Here we go!

You all gather again, and find that another is missing. This time webadict is gone. You all go to his home, and find him in his bedroom. His head is cut off, and a chainsaw is on the floor next to him. It doesn't take very long for the logical conclusion to be reached.

You all search his house. Nothing of interest is found. Looks like he was just another townie. There are only three innocents left now. If you kill one more, the amount of scum will equal to the amount of town. You can all tell that will end badly. You have to kill scum today.


[/flavor]

webadict has been killed. webadict was a townie(town).

Day 3 starts now! Day 3 ends Tuesday, 7:30 PM EST.
 
Votecount:
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Aklyon - {0}
Not voting
Scatterbrain, USEC_OFFICER, Zako, TheBroodyMoods, Aklyon
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Night 2 - Three innocents dead
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 03, 2010, 06:16:23 pm
Aklyon - {0} - eclipsetail, Zako
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Night 2 - Three innocents dead
Post by: Diablous on September 03, 2010, 06:18:04 pm
Aklyon - {0} - eclipsetail, Zako

Thanks. It's fixed now.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: webadict on September 03, 2010, 06:21:49 pm
Ah, come on, scum! I would've just left the Town if you gave me a chance to leave alive!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: breadbocks on September 03, 2010, 06:39:15 pm
Ah, come on, scum! I would've just left the Town if you gave me a chance to leave alive!
You hear a hearty laugh from Limbo.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 03, 2010, 10:13:05 pm
Holy carp.

Aklyon, you're new. Could we please get a word out of you before we start slandering one another in here. Your previous incarnation was rather dubious, and it would likely do you well to state your case. Why didn't you vote yesterday? If you had, who would you have voted for.

Zako, is there a reason you voted against Breadbocks/Arkylon last round. Could you elaborate, please. Previously you had thought him(breadbocks) merely idiot town, did you opinion change, and why? Better yet, what about eclipsetail told you he wasn't scum?

There are three people still alive who voted eclipsetail yesterday, myself among them. Since its down to five I think reexamining people's motivations for voting him could be telling.

USEC: Webaddict, admittedly fallible, marked you as the other scum. What say you to the charges?

Scatterbrain: you an Webaddict had a long back and forth day 2, you did a lot of convincing to move yourself down his scum list. I imagine ottofar flipping scum may have moved you up it.

Myself: I've participated in lynching two innocent townies, and that is not a happy feeling at all. Zathras was a circumstance where my gut was wrong: I was looking for answers and tells at very least, and got nothing from it. That was bitter. eclipsetail had every indication of being scum. Lurking, short/cryptic posts, anti-town behavior. He even had our expert fooled.

Today is about conversating. If there aren't any substantial posts, really trying to dig into the meat of this- Town is going to lose. Anyone that doesn't comment within 24hours I would like to get prodded, if you would please Diablous.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Aklyon on September 03, 2010, 10:17:59 pm
Hello guys.

Anyway, I didn't vote yesterday because by the time I got here, the vote was pretty much decided already.
If it hadn't been though, I would've voted for USEC probably.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 04, 2010, 08:09:55 am
and so, we enter the last chance saloon... but really, eclipsetail has only himself to blame for getting lynched. and if we lose, it'll mostly come down to his general moronity. great.

i have things to do right now, but hopefully i'll manage a big meaty post sometime this weekend. in the meanwhile, i'd especially like to echo this;

Today is about conversating. If there aren't any substantial posts, really trying to dig into the meat of this- Town is going to lose. Anyone that doesn't comment within 24hours I would like to get prodded, if you would please Diablous.

even if it's just a placeholder like this post is, we need to know that you're alive, basically, so that we can get down to business. cos if we don't find scum today, we're boned.

also, if anyone has a role, right now would be a good time to roleclaim.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Zako on September 04, 2010, 09:25:56 pm
Woah, what timing, I was about to do just that Scatterbrain.

I am the cop. I investigated Eclipsetail and TheBroodyMoods and both turned up innocent. I honestly thought that Eclipse was the godfather due to him acting so scummy, but I am sure that Broody is actually town and not a godfather.

The reason I voted for Bread/Aklyon is that Scatterbrain made a real good arguement and I wanted to test his claims. Sadly, bread pretty much acted like he usuallly did. Bad town. I don't think that Aklyon is scum.

So that leaves Scatterbrain and USEC. Of course the scum would get rid of Webadict, they know he's a professional mafia player and they want him gone. It also convienetly gets the blame off Scatterbrain.

Why did you try so hard to convince webadict that you are town? Why did you want to live yesterday?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Diablous on September 05, 2010, 10:37:15 am
Anyone that doesn't comment within 24hours I would like to get prodded, if you would please Diablous.

Kay. I'll prod USEC in a sec.

Votecount:
Scatterbrain - {1} -  Zako
USEC_OFFICER - {1} - TheBroodyMoods
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Aklyon - {0}

Not voting
Scatterbrain, USEC_OFFICER, Aklyon
 
If there are any errors, please tell me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 05, 2010, 12:17:01 pm
Woah, what timing, I was about to do just that Scatterbrain.

I am the cop. I investigated Eclipsetail and TheBroodyMoods and both turned up innocent. I honestly thought that Eclipse was the godfather due to him acting so scummy, but I am sure that Broody is actually town and not a godfather.

The reason I voted for Bread/Aklyon is that Scatterbrain made a real good arguement and I wanted to test his claims. Sadly, bread pretty much acted like he usuallly did. Bad town. I don't think that Aklyon is scum.

So that leaves Scatterbrain and USEC. Of course the scum would get rid of Webadict, they know he's a professional mafia player and they want him gone. It also convienetly gets the blame off Scatterbrain.

Why did you try so hard to convince webadict that you are town? Why did you want to live yesterday?

beefs, i have four and a half of them with this post.

1) why investigate broody? to quote yourself, he 'looks and sounds town'. surely there were more important targets to be investigating after day 2?
2) you voted for breadbocks as a sort of test, it seems - then why didn't you investigate him instead for night 2? to me, it smells like you're trying to cover yourself by voting for your scumbuddy.
3) i don't like how quick you are to say that bread/aklyon ISN'T scum, even though, it seems, you were swayed by the mountain of tells i dropped on bread.
3.5) what's worse is how quickly you move your vote back to me, even though i was the one that did the 'convincing'. getting the heat off of your scumpartner breadbocks, are we?
4) you're already implying that standing up for mysself is scummy, when i did so because i'm not scum. what scum do is roll over and die when they come under pressure (see breadbocks); what any good town does is fight back, because, in the end, they're in the right - not to mention that sticking up for yourself helps with the scumhunting. by the end of my little dialogue with webadict, i'd found more than few reasons to be wary of him (enough to actually suspect him of scum? not exactly, but there was enough to keep me on my toes).


so far, i've thought that you're town. but then, i've been wrong before in this game, and i ain't taking anything for granted today. so right now, you, zako, are number 2 on my scumlist - you look like a scum that has roleclaimed cop to buy himsself security on what could be scum's last day, and has been covering up for their scumbuddy before making a switch too easily and early for my liking. voting for someone at this point is a significant thing to do, so you're gonna need to convince me before i buy a story about voting for the sakes of scumhunting.

just below you at number three is USEC. he hasn't even been online for the past 7 days, so i don't think that he's lurking with any malicious intent. time to get a replacement if he doesn't answer the poke? and USEC, if you do read this; i'll ask you the same question that zako asked me at the beginning of day 2, as it's pretty relevant here.

...why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!

seriously - i know that you tend to post less that others in your games, but you need to make said posts... well, bigger, and exposing yourself for who you are a bit more. come on out dude!

my number one is aklyon, pretty much by default, because i'm convinced that breadbocks was scum - and as you're taking up the same slot as he did, that makes you scum too. however, i'm gonna give you a chance; turns out i was wrong about eclipsetail, who i was also convinced about, and that was through his generally terrible playstyle as town. hopefully, you'll turn out to be a bit less awful - if you're town. you have a helluva mountain to climb if you want to convince me, but at least you have a chance now. not a big chance, i'll admit, but a chance.

...only your first post isn't exactly confidence inspiring.

Hello guys.

Anyway, I didn't vote yesterday because by the time I got here, the vote was pretty much decided already.
If it hadn't been though, I would've voted for USEC probably.

ok; pretty uninformative and generally just getting a look in to just to cover your arse. WHY vote for USEC? what did you think of anything else? did anything said by anyone else influence you, either toward USEC or away from it? if it wasn't others, could you present your case against him (lots of detail would be helpful at this point)? this list pretty much goes on. come out fighting!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Aklyon on September 05, 2010, 01:08:47 pm
Well, USEC hasn't been very active, and looking though the last couple of pages, he hasn't really sounded very convincing to me.

What would you need from me to prove I'm not scum? because while I'm brand-new at this game and somewhat confused after reading 12 pages, I'm not scum.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 05, 2010, 03:02:24 pm
for starters, make some plays. go in-depth about your evaluations of others, get down to the business of scumhunting, try to really crack who is scum and who isn't, do some analysis - pretty much anything that a good townie should be doing to try and work out who the scum are. if you try go get a feel for who we are, then we'll start to get a feel for who you are, and can start questioning and analysing back. basically, play the game!

that would be assuming that you're town, though. which isn't something i'm assuming right now :p

any other advice for the new guy, IC's?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: webadict on September 05, 2010, 03:12:11 pm
any other advice for the new guy, IC's?
Looking back at previous Days helps, as you know the people that died were Town. It's not necessarily accurate, but it was to help the Town at the time. Also, look at people's interactions with them too.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Diablous on September 05, 2010, 03:47:14 pm
BREAKING NEWS! USEC's profile says that he hasn't been on since the 28th! Since he hasn't been on in like 8 days, I guess I'll have to replace him.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 05, 2010, 04:22:17 pm
NOOOOOO! I'm back from vacation now. Please don't replace me!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Diablous on September 05, 2010, 04:24:33 pm
NOOOOOO! I'm back from vacation now. Please don't replace me!

Crises averted! Seriously dude. Should have told me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 05, 2010, 04:25:36 pm
NOOOOOO! I'm back from vacation now. Please don't replace me!

Crises averted! Seriously dude. Should have told me.

Thought I would have had time last sunday. Sorry about that. Glad I can continue to play.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Vector on September 05, 2010, 08:03:06 pm
any other advice for the new guy, IC's?

Read through a game or two--especially BMIII, if you can find it--and take that scum-hunting guide of Dakarian's to heart.

Other than that, it's really about feeling out the field.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 06, 2010, 03:52:37 pm
Answering some questions:

USEC: Webaddict, admittedly fallible, marked you as the other scum. What say you to the charges?

That I'm not scum. How else am I suppost to respond?

just below you at number three is USEC. he hasn't even been online for the past 7 days, so i don't think that he's lurking with any malicious intent. time to get a replacement if he doesn't answer the poke? and USEC, if you do read this; i'll ask you the same question that zako asked me at the beginning of day 2, as it's pretty relevant here.

Can you point it out/explain? Because the closest thing I could find was about your opinion on me and Broody.

Well, USEC hasn't been very active, and looking though the last couple of pages, he hasn't really sounded very convincing to me.

What would you need from me to prove I'm not scum? because while I'm brand-new at this game and somewhat confused after reading 12 pages, I'm not scum.

Aklyon, I'm active again. You have any questions you want to ask me? Try out some scumhunting?

Zako, who did you investigate on the second day?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 06, 2010, 03:54:19 pm
Nice to see you all again. I apologize for not posting sooner: difficulties arose. Though there is also Kitten Now. All Kneel before Zod-Cat.

The reason I voted for Bread/Aklyon is that Scatterbrain made a real good arguement and I wanted to test his claims. Sadly, bread pretty much acted like he usuallly did. Bad town. I don't think that Aklyon is scum.

So that leaves Scatterbrain and USEC. Of course the scum would get rid of Webadict, they know he's a professional mafia player and they want him gone. It also convienetly gets the blame off Scatterbrain.


Zako, what claim did Scatterbrain make exactly? How was a single vote against a landslide in anyway helpful? Why didn't you investigate USEC? What made you think I was worth investigating; even you said I was probably not scum and you don't take the idea that I could be a Godfather seriously in the least?

In other words, you were convinced I was town before you even decided to investigate me. So why waste the time? Why not someone you were unsure of?

USEC, What say you to Webaddict's accusation of you? If you're town the best thing you could do now is post and tell us what you know and have observed in the game thus far.

Aklyon, you could likely do well to try and get Zako to stop white knighting for you. Come to think of it, Zako has insisted that several people are town, but has only come to breadbocks/akylon's defense. Hmm.

Scatterbrain, you've spoken your mind pretty clearly. I remain suspicious why you've said nothing about me thus far? You and Webaddict had a long back and forth day 2, you did a lot of convincing to move yourself down his scum list. I imagine ottofar flipping town may have moved you up it. Why are you still convinced that Breadbocks/arkylon are scum? How come, given his history with breadbocks, you still insist UCES is still second scum banana?

Unvote

Zako
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 06, 2010, 04:09:18 pm
so after a quite spell, i check this thread just before i head off to bed, and there finally some activity! was just about to make a post trying to point out how little there had been. so yeah, just a quick response-post before i catch some Z's


just below you at number three is USEC. he hasn't even been online for the past 7 days, so i don't think that he's lurking with any malicious intent. time to get a replacement if he doesn't answer the poke? and USEC, if you do read this; i'll ask you the same question that zako asked me at the beginning of day 2, as it's pretty relevant here.

Can you point it out/explain? Because the closest thing I could find was about your opinion on me and Broody.

quoted it just underneath. it's this -

...why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!

make some plays, you're slipping out of focus here, and that ain't good for town; especially at a time like this.

Scatterbrain, you've spoken your mind pretty clearly. I remain suspicious why you've said nothing about me thus far? You and Webaddict had a long back and forth day 2, you did a lot of convincing to move yourself down his scum list. I imagine ottofar flipping town may have moved you up it. Why are you still convinced that Breadbocks/arkylon are scum? How come, given his history with breadbocks, you still insist UCES is still second scum banana?

first, i have talked about you. can't remember if it was today or yesterday, but i came to the conclusion that, despite a few misedemeanors, i still think you're townie. i've seen little reason to change that so far today. second, as i've said, i've been convinced that breadbocks is scum from day 1 - ergo, the player taking over his slot is scum, and he's got a pretty gigantic hole to dig himsself out of (speaking of, arkylon, i know it was the weekend and that you have a big ol' thread to read through, but you HAVE been rather quiet. maybe hear something substantial out of you today?). thirdly... did you mean to type USEC there? cos i don't think i'm following - what history are you referring to exactly? because, from what i recall, USEC has always been pretty suspicious of breadbocks. and besides, he's 3rd on my scumlist, not 2nd.

so basically, i'm hoping to soon hear more from usec/aklyon, even with their respective time restrictions (usec's online time, aklyon needing to read through the rest of the thread, whatever). cos we need to talk. alot.

time for bed? yes, i think so...
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 06, 2010, 04:23:23 pm
Scatterbrain, you've spoken your mind pretty clearly. I remain suspicious why you've said nothing about me thus far? You and Webaddict had a long back and forth day 2, you did a lot of convincing to move yourself down his scum list. I imagine ottofar flipping town may have moved you up it. Why are you still convinced that Breadbocks/arkylon are scum? How come, given his history with breadbocks, you still insist UCES is still second scum banana?

first, i have talked about you. can't remember if it was today or yesterday, but i came to the conclusion that, despite a few misedemeanors, i still think you're townie. i've seen little reason to change that so far today. second, as i've said, i've been convinced that breadbocks is scum from day 1 - ergo, the player taking over his slot is scum, and he's got a pretty gigantic hole to dig himsself out of (speaking of, arkylon, i know it was the weekend and that you have a big ol' thread to read through, but you HAVE been rather quiet. maybe hear something substantial out of you today?). thirdly... did you mean to type USEC there? cos i don't think i'm following - what history are you referring to exactly? because, from what i recall, USEC has always been pretty suspicious of breadbocks. and besides, he's 3rd on my scumlist, not 2nd.

so basically, i'm hoping to soon hear more from usec/aklyon, even with their respective time restrictions (usec's online time, aklyon needing to read through the rest of the thread, whatever). cos we need to talk. alot.

time for bed? yes, i think so...

Ah, very good sir. Yes there was a misquote and also a lapse in recollection on my part. You and I likely share the same scum team at the moment.

Zako, however, remains for first choice: He's been buddying-, he's "inspected" me despite having no good reason to do so and still implicitly trusting that Akylon is town.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 06, 2010, 04:32:20 pm
USEC, What say you to Webaddict's accusation of you? If you're town the best thing you could do now is post and tell us what you know and have observed in the game thus far.

I say that Webaddict had every right to accuse me. I responded with stupid answers, and did little to help my case. But that's why  I'm here, so that I can learn.

Actually, since Breadbocks has gotten a replacement, I am almost sure that Aklyon isn't scum. If Breadbocks was scum, he probably wouldn't have asked to leave the game because he found it boring and a timesink, since he would have had a partner who probably would have argued him out of it, and would help him enjoy it. His complaints looks like someone who is playing town (especially his complaints about the teamwork), and not someone playing scum. Therefore, I now am sure that Aklyon isn't scum.

Therefore, I'm going to have to say that Zako is scum. Because, if I believe Zako's word, I must find Scatterbrain and Aklyon to be scum. But, by my above reasoning, I've decided that Aklyon cannot be scum, forming a paradox if Zako is telling the truth (at least in my eyes.) Thus, unless Aklyon does something scummy, Zako must be lying, and therefore scum.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Diablous on September 06, 2010, 04:47:45 pm
Votecount:
Scatterbrain - {1} - Zako
USEC_OFFICER - {1} - Aklyon
Zako - {2} - TheBroodyMoods, USEC_OFFICER
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Aklyon - {1} - Scatterbrain

Not voting

If there are any errors, please tell me.

Day ends Tuesday 7:30 PM EST.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 06, 2010, 04:50:24 pm
Me and Broody are voting for Zako. (This is the second time you've done this.)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Diablous on September 06, 2010, 04:51:12 pm
Me and Broody are voting for Zako. (This is the second time you've done this.)

Fixed.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Zako on September 06, 2010, 09:05:31 pm
I'm not scum, I'm trying to find scum. I investigated broody since he seemed a bit off to me so I now know that he's town for sure and that he's not trying to mislead. I said I'm cop because it's lylo and we need to lynch scum today, not because I'm scum trying to save myself. What have I got to save myself from excatly? I investigated eclipse because he was acting scummy and I wanted to know for sure if he was infact scum. I suspected that he may have been the godfather, but I didn't vote for him after I got my results.

I'm glad you see Aklyon my way USEC, bread subbing out just speaks volumes of town getting fed up with playing, especially with the way he's been playing before hand. However, you forget that you could be scum and that I am telling the truth.

How have I been buddying? Show me where please. Plus, see scatterbrains post where he says a lot of things about bread that he thinks are scummy. I wanted to see if any were true. What I got was the normal bread reaction; nothing but lack of motivation to play. Sorry for the long quote.

<note; webadict has made a post directed at me since my last one, but i'm going to go ahead and make the post i had planned to make anyway. see next post for stuff relating to that>

here begins the compilation of all of the scumtells that breadbocks has dropped, for purposes already explained, and that are explained again as the post ends.

let us begin, naturally, from the beginning.

To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.

where it all began. for now, forget the stories about the 'gambit', and take this by itsself. what motives could he have for doing this? it boils down to two options; 1) innocent stupidity and noobishness, or 2) scum kicking off the game with a goblet of wine that may or may not be situated at the front of my person. at this point - given how it is a newbie game - both are believable. this is without factoring in his 'gambit'.

now, when he's asked to explain his actions...

Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/
It doesn't. First post, used to generate conversation. No point in making a truly random vote, and I'm interested on how people react to my arbitrary vote. With the mild understanding of thought process I have, I could in theory get a lead on scum. That could be my strategy, or I could be covering the possible scum position I may or may not have by voting for myself leading people to think I'm a Joker type position, or I could be a bored town role/townie. Take that as you will, I'm in this to win, be I a town-sider, a Scum-sider, or a third party.

more noobishness? or more delicious wine? perhaps both? seeing how that's twice now that we have seen some WIFOM, i'm inclined toward the less innocent option, given how scummy WIFOM is at the best of times.

There are no jokers in this game.  There are also no third parties in this game.

Just... FYI.

Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the [ur=http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambitl]BBB gambit[/url]. Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.

now, why would any townie in there right mind want to confuse the town? especially one who says - and i quote - "I'm in this to win"? if you're in it to win, then why do you want to lead town on what may or may not be a wild goose chase?! now this ISN'T noobish moronity, because he is actually contradicting himsself here. so that's option 1 pretty much eliminated already. he's a noob, but at this point, it's looking like he's a scum-noob, one that has slipped up big-time

Perhaps you could look at the title of the thread. I'd try it, because I mean, well, take a look:
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In recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:
No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?

why would whether you were being suspected or not be of any concern if you were town? at best, this is just more WIFOM. bad, bad, bad.

Who knows what would happen. Then it would be advisable to use as a Joker. Also, it would be hard to rate based on one useage. Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.

now whatever could have possibly happened to being in it to win it; which, if you were, you would be scumhunting, and not generally being a moronic mafioso? see how the scum tries to squirm out of hole he has dug himsself, yet only worms his way further down.

followed very shortly after by...

unvote breadbocks

So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.

looky here. mr in-it-to-win-it is making a vote on someone, at this very early stage in the game, without even trying to dig more dirt on the person. why not ask some questions, anything that even resembles scumhunting? it's far, far better than nothing at all. even without all the other stuff, this would be highly suspicious by itsself.

Ah well. I had fun. I suppose saying I'm a townie won't help. C'est La Vie as they say in Frenchland.
I submit to lynching. I had fun screwing around with my, and other, minds.

you'd think that, no matter how new a guy is to the game, he wouldn't resign himsself to his fate so quickly and easily if he knew that, in the end, he would flip town. or, if you like your wine in front of you, that's what he wants us to think. either way, hugely, hugely scummy.

Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.
Day end.

more wine? oh, no thanks, i've already had more than enough. otherwise... this is just cringeworthy.

Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?
Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.

i thought you'd given up? well, it appears not, and you go and hop on the bandwagon. without doing any of your own digging. again.
i'm surprised that i need to be pointing this out to people at all, really. (which is why i didn't, till he somehow survived day 1).

Secondly:
Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?
Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.

I suppose I deserve that for just asking and not being more clear; Why is he the scummiest Player? What makes him more scummy than you, who is very nearly on the verge of being lynched?

Please elaborate.

First, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
:-\

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Fourth:
Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.

What strikes me most about your posts is that you seem more blood thirsty than anything. I think its rather obvious he'll be lynched, but you seem to feel uncomfortable with the fact that people are starting to question lynching him at all, even if it is just to explore posts previously made.

I still feel very suspicious of him, but I don't think lynching him and ending the day helps anything except scum getting their night kill. We're not going to magically forget about him if we start to look at other possibilities.
THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.


Also, good to know you at least had an excuse for being MIA.

wow. ok, let's break this down a bit.

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First, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
:-\

firstly, i think it's fair to say that wanting to see your blood is totally reasonable by this point. secondly... what arguments saying that you're not scum?! you basically rolled over and died after making some weaksauce attempts at sticking up for yourself! and what arguments you did give just made things far, far worse! he was being reasonable - the person not being reasonable here is you, for not seeing that your arguments hold about as much water as a sieve.

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THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.

what do you mean, there wasn't a gambit? you voted for yourself. that, as you yourself proved with the link you provided, was a gambit. and of course you wouldn't say you were scum; that is totally a given, no matter how completely new you are to mafia. and it was so saturated with wine that, really, discerning any meaning from it - other than that you're a scumbag - is pretty undoable. and being 'too lazy' to scumhunt is... ugh, do i even have to go through this? can i move on please? thank you.


...actually, i will move on from this, because i feel that i have sufficient proved my point. webadict has even more to say on the matter; i've looked at it, and he makes a good point. the purpose of this post - to make explicit how humongously scummy breadbocks is; to show how he went past the point of no return a long, long time ago; to make sure that we don't just let him come back from the brink. i can only hope that i have done my job.



and, finally, vote eclipsetail, and if i have to go over the reasons why i'm voting this guy and not breadbocks again, then i will probably scream.


(addendum: ok, so it's inevitable that i will be asked, so, put concisely, here's why. yes, i have a mountain of dirt on breadbocks - but i have a very small molehill of pure shit on eclipsetail. and that, i think, is much, much more dangerous.)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Vector on September 06, 2010, 09:09:08 pm
Dude... can't read that.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 06, 2010, 10:12:21 pm
It is late, and I would like to ask for an Extension: I will likely be out of the way for most of tomorrow up until about 9pm in the evening EST. I think I may need more time to consider everything, and allow people to talk back.

Like Akylon.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Zako on September 07, 2010, 12:47:06 am
I fully support the extension. We need more time to find scum.

Formated post later.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 07, 2010, 04:36:01 am
mostly because we need to get a reply out of aklyon, extend. though i would be happy to see zako lynched today, we need to be absolutely doubly sure, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Diablous on September 07, 2010, 02:44:03 pm
Extension granted.

Day has been extended to Thursday, 7:30 PM EST.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 07, 2010, 03:03:16 pm
I'm glad you see Aklyon my way USEC, bread subbing out just speaks volumes of town getting fed up with playing, especially with the way he's been playing before hand. However, you forget that you could be scum and that I am telling the truth.

Dude, your defense was just saying that I shouldn't vote for you, because I'm scum and are telling the truth. Zako, if I continue to believe that Aklyon is town, I have to vote for you. Here the logic:

If you are telling the truth, me, Scatterbrain and Aklyon could be scum. However, since I know whether I am scum or town, I can eliminate from the list of possible scum (Since either way, I would view myself as if I was town) This leaves Aklyon and Scatterbrain as the scumteam (from my perspective) However, since Breadbock's actions convinces me that he, and therefore Aklyon, are town. But then I get into a paradox. If I believe you, Aklyon must be scum, but Breadbock's actions convinces me otherwise. There are two ways out of the paradox, either I completely misjudged Breadbock's actions, or you are lying, and therefore scum (Since only scum would claim to be the cop.) And right now, the doubt that you are lying outweights any doubts I have that I misjudged Breadbock's actions.

Do you understand me now?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head!
Post by: Diablous on September 07, 2010, 04:08:58 pm
Aparently, due to lack of time, and lack of interest, Aklyon needs a replacement.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 07, 2010, 04:10:14 pm
Wow. That sucks.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: breadbocks on September 07, 2010, 05:03:40 pm
Pardon me laughing my fvucking ass off at that. Seriously. I can hold townie for 2in-game days, and he didn't last half a day.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Zako on September 07, 2010, 08:37:25 pm
where it all began. for now, forget the stories about the 'gambit', and take this by itsself. what motives could he have for doing this? it boils down to two options; 1) innocent stupidity and noobishness, or 2) scum kicking off the game with a goblet of wine that may or may not be situated at the front of my person. at this point - given how it is a newbie game - both are believable. this is without factoring in his 'gambit'.

more noobishness? or more delicious wine? perhaps both? seeing how that's twice now that we have seen some WIFOM, i'm inclined toward the less innocent option, given how scummy WIFOM is at the best of times.

now, why would any townie in there right mind want to confuse the town? especially one who says - and i quote - "I'm in this to win"? if you're in it to win, then why do you want to lead town on what may or may not be a wild goose chase?! now this ISN'T noobish moronity, because he is actually contradicting himsself here. so that's option 1 pretty much eliminated already. he's a noob, but at this point, it's looking like he's a scum-noob, one that has slipped up big-time

why would whether you were being suspected or not be of any concern if you were town? at best, this is just more WIFOM. bad, bad, bad.

now whatever could have possibly happened to being in it to win it; which, if you were, you would be scumhunting, and not generally being a moronic mafioso? see how the scum tries to squirm out of hole he has dug himsself, yet only worms his way further down.

looky here. mr in-it-to-win-it is making a vote on someone, at this very early stage in the game, without even trying to dig more dirt on the person. why not ask some questions, anything that even resembles scumhunting? it's far, far better than nothing at all. even without all the other stuff, this would be highly suspicious by itsself.

you'd think that, no matter how new a guy is to the game, he wouldn't resign himsself to his fate so quickly and easily if he knew that, in the end, he would flip town. or, if you like your wine in front of you, that's what he wants us to think. either way, hugely, hugely scummy.

more wine? oh, no thanks, i've already had more than enough. otherwise... this is just cringeworthy.

i thought you'd given up? well, it appears not, and you go and hop on the bandwagon. without doing any of your own digging. again.
i'm surprised that i need to be pointing this out to people at all, really. (which is why i didn't, till he somehow survived day 1).

firstly, i think it's fair to say that wanting to see your blood is totally reasonable by this point. secondly... what arguments saying that you're not scum?! you basically rolled over and died after making some weaksauce attempts at sticking up for yourself! and what arguments you did give just made things far, far worse! he was being reasonable - the person not being reasonable here is you, for not seeing that your arguments hold about as much water as a sieve.

what do you mean, there wasn't a gambit? you voted for yourself. that, as you yourself proved with the link you provided, was a gambit. and of course you wouldn't say you were scum; that is totally a given, no matter how completely new you are to mafia. and it was so saturated with wine that, really, discerning any meaning from it -  other than that you're a scumbag - is pretty undoable. and being 'too lazy' to scumhunt is... ugh, do i even have to go through this? can i move on please? thank you.

^
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USEC, you arent looking at this from my or others point of view. We don't know you are town or scum for certain, and I think that Akloyn is town. Anyway, if I am town, which I am, I'm already dead from telling you guys I'm a cop. I'm not afraid of your shaky logic right now USEC. And its lylo, its not scummy for a cop to say he's a cop on lylo, hes trying to stop the scum winning. And I'm not 'claiming' the cop, I AM the cop.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 08, 2010, 03:09:15 am
wow. this is very-not-good. here's hoping we get a replacement very soon. but until that happens, i might as well make my vote effective and go for one of the scumteam. unvote and vote zako.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Zako on September 08, 2010, 03:17:49 am
Gah, sure just bandwagon without a reason. Thats real townie of you. Not.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 08, 2010, 03:23:32 am
i've already given my reasons for why you're second on the scumlist, and therefore part of the scumteam. and your last post didn't exactly make your case any better -

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USEC, you arent looking at this from my or others point of view. We don't know you are town or scum for certain, and I think that Akloyn is town. Anyway, if I am town, which I am, I'm already dead from telling you guys I'm a cop. I'm not afraid of your shaky logic right now USEC. And its lylo, its not scummy for a cop to say he's a cop on lylo, hes trying to stop the scum winning. And I'm not 'claiming' the cop, I AM the cop.

it's as if you're putting out the standard 'hey, i'm not in the mafia, please believe me' post. and i'd say that usec's logic is hardly shaky (reminds me; usec, you're still not coming out as much i would like you to on the last day. we got an extend to talk - got anything else to say on zako? on me? on broody?). if you were town, you would've come out guns a-blazing; what we got was a weak water pistol. don't like it. conclusion: scum.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 08, 2010, 03:53:32 pm
USEC, you arent looking at this from my or others point of view. We don't know you are town or scum for certain, and I think that Akloyn is town. Anyway, if I am town, which I am, I'm already dead from telling you guys I'm a cop. I'm not afraid of your shaky logic right now USEC. And its lylo, its not scummy for a cop to say he's a cop on lylo, hes trying to stop the scum winning. And I'm not 'claiming' the cop, I AM the cop.

Zako, in my last game, the one of the scum claimed to be the cop. Read this game here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61612.0) Notice how at the end, Ottofar says he's the cop, but is actually scum. There is nothing to prevent anybody from saying they are the cop. I don't have the PM that says you are the cop (If it exists), so I have to evaulate whether you are the cop, or are pretending to be.

Can you tell me what makes you think my logic is shaky? Because right now, you aren't looking at things from my perspective, where I know whether I'm town or not, but I have no idea whether you are or not. And right now, your defense shows me that even if my logic was somehow faulty (Which would be surprising, as it's very simple) I still won't completely trust you.

Scatterbrain; I don't have much else to say. The nightkill for day three will confirm or destory my suspicions on people. My guess being that if you survive, you'll probably be scum (unless I die, for if I'm going to be kept alive, it will probably be as a target.)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 08, 2010, 05:02:47 pm
Zako hasn't really convinced me: I'm sticking by my vote for the time being. I can see the possibility of Scatterbrain being scum however. Bandwagon-ing Zako doesn't help, but as per your previous theories, he is your logical second choice.

Psssh, Logic. If logic meant something in this game, Eclipsetail would have flipped scum and breadbocks would have been lynched first day (my bad, you guis).

Should we wait for the replacement or do we just want to call it a day? I'm ready to retire.

Zako, got anything to say?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 08, 2010, 05:05:24 pm
Zako hasn't really convinced me: I'm sticking by my vote for the time being. I can see the possibility of Scatterbrain being scum however. Bandwagon-ing Zako doesn't help, but as per your previous theories, he is your logical second choice.

Psssh, Logic. If logic meant something in this game, Eclipsetail would have flipped scum and breadbocks would have been lynched first day (my bad, you guis).

Should we wait for the replacement or do we just want to call it a day? I'm ready to retire.

Zako, got anything to say?

Logic really only helps when people claim cop. (Like Zako.)

I'm fine with calling it a day. Days seems dragged out to me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 08, 2010, 05:20:16 pm
EDIT: I meant to say that the day seems dragged out to me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Zako on September 08, 2010, 06:28:34 pm
I can tell we've already lost. I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise, my communication skills just aren't that good. I will however, fight to the end.

I'm not scum, I have only tried to help town in this game. The scum, right now, would vote on the claimed cop to get rid of him and end the game fast. I think that webadict was right in thinking that Scatterbrain is scum, and he's played a good game as scum. As for the second scum player, I think it's USEC. And what am I supposed to be blazing with Scatterbrain? What would you say if your in my position?

USEC, I think your logic is faulty because you are scum. A replacement would do little right now since everyone is going to vote me reguardless, despite me trying to help town not kill themselves.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 08, 2010, 06:32:21 pm
Zako, the logic does not become faulty just because I could be scum. If I was scum, I would still make the same assumptions as a player who was town, since the scum are trying to act like they are town.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 09, 2010, 03:31:20 am
called for a day extension so that aklyon/his replacement could talk. even if we get one before day end, there won't be enough time for it to be of any consequence really; you can finish this up whenever you like diab.

zako, i would've expected simply more if you were the cop. i needed to be convinced otherwise, and i haven't been - like i said, you're not my number one choice, but you're still scummy enough to be in the mafia
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Zako on September 09, 2010, 04:21:25 am
Then who IS your number one choice? Why aren't you voting for THEM? Why aren't you talking to them instead of bandwagoning me?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 09, 2010, 04:40:38 am
number one choice is the person that's waiting to be replaced (breadbocks/aklyon slot), so i can't really talk to them. either way, a scum's gonna go today, which is a relief.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Diablous on September 09, 2010, 01:20:33 pm
Votecount:
Scatterbrain - {1} - Zako
USEC_OFFICER - {1} - Aklyon
Zako - {3} - TheBroodyMoods, USEC_OFFICER, Scatterbrain
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Aklyon - {0}

Not voting

Please inform me of any errors.

Day ends in 5 hours.

you can finish this up whenever you like diab.

I'm still ending the day at 7:30 unless there is a demand to end it early.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 09, 2010, 02:25:24 pm
The suspense is killing me: Just call it, I mean Day End.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 09, 2010, 02:55:52 pm
i thought i'd already implied that i wanted the day to end sooner rather than later? oh well. day end please
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 09, 2010, 03:01:19 pm
BTW, Scatterbrain/USEC- if you are/were scum- good game.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 09, 2010, 03:21:05 pm
Let's end this thing. Shorten
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: webadict on September 09, 2010, 03:42:02 pm
Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 09, 2010, 03:43:05 pm
Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.

Web- whose scum, then? I promise not  to change my vote >_>
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: webadict on September 09, 2010, 03:43:53 pm
Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.

Web- whose scum, then? I promise not  to change my vote >_>
Diablous has to do a write-up.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 09, 2010, 03:45:22 pm
Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.

Web- whose scum, then? I promise not  to change my vote >_>
Diablous has to do a write-up.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

GG, scum. :<
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: webadict on September 09, 2010, 03:49:53 pm
Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.

Web- whose scum, then? I promise not  to change my vote >_>
Diablous has to do a write-up.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

GG, scum. :<
Them's the breaks, kid. I think your major failing was actually on D1, when you switched your vote at the end from breadbocks to Zathras. Like it or not, Zathras was a power player, so lynching him cost the town. It is imperative to lynch lurkers or people that will be unreliable at lylo.

Other than that, you didn't do too bad.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: breadbocks on September 09, 2010, 04:01:10 pm
Pretty much what web said. Although, when I would've flipped town, you would've thought Zathras was scum, thus, same end. :-\
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 09, 2010, 04:04:57 pm
well you've kinda given away that a townie got lynched today webadict.

and yeah... me and usec are scummy bastards! MWAHAHAHAHaahahaha :D

absolutely brilliant game. scariest bit was when webadict joined - we thought we were boned, and writing up those defensive + the scumtells on breadbocks... that was hard, hard work. brilliant feeling when we realised that it had payed off though. lynching zathras was a lucky break for us, one we didn't expect and we didn't realise how useful it was at the time; ripping the shit out of bread right till the end of the game made my life a good bit easier, i'll tell you that.

on that note... i really need to apologise to breadbocks and shibdib. breadbocks for the mountain of scumtells on day two, and you quit soon after that - you got a baptism of fire mafia-style, to be sure! but i think it was too harsh and probably contributed to your quit later, so sorry for that. and i don't think that your opening gambit (i actually do think it was a gambit though, lol) was quite as stupid as i made it out to be - opening a game in a novel way like that is the kind of creativity that makes mafia more interesting. even if that particular example wasn't... brilliant? also, we did have a good reason for killing you first night shibdib, please believe us :p you had kinda just come back from lurking and were shooting off votes left right and centre, having a loose cannon like that in the game was pretty scary. sorry to continue your run of dying very early in mafia games :( but it's good to see that you're sticking at it in the likes of third party mafia... where you also died super-early. heh. keep at it though, dude!

and yeah, i'd like to repeat the thanks i gave in scumchat to various dude. super props to all of you. and town, for those that didn't lurk, you played a solid game; hats off to broodymoods especially - you just need to make better decisions at the end of the day, i suppose :p you were all great though, and i'd be lying if you didn't have me sweating just a teeny bit at the end there zako.

to conclude: a game with brilliant moments and highs, thoroughly enjoyed it. and i might be scum, but i'm not a bad guy, really ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Diablous on September 09, 2010, 04:07:05 pm
It's time again. This time Zako must die. It has to be him this time. Aklyon turns to leave to find rope as TheBroodyMoods goes to restrain him. But they both stop when a gunshots ring out, and Zako falls to the ground dead. They turn to see USEC and Scatterbrain pointing guns at them and grinning. More shots are fired, and the last two townies are soon dead.

[/flavor]

Zako has been lynched! Zako was a cop.(Town)

The game is over, scum win!

Roles:

Scum

Scatterbrain- Godfather
USEC_OFFICER- Mafioso


Town
Zako- Cop
eclipsetail- Townie
shibdib- Townie
TheBroodyMoods- Townie
webadict- Townie
Aklyon- Townie
Zathras- Townie
 
Scum Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/aaHr3wvvNMt)
Dead Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/tiR7ibmAbJAeD)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: webadict on September 09, 2010, 04:11:16 pm
Pretty much what web said. Although, when I would've flipped town, you would've thought Zathras was scum, thus, same end. :-\
Doubtful. He either would've been NKed, or I personally would've protected him the next Day.

Oh, listening to me also might've helped. I am preeeeetty good. I kinda had the scumteam.

well you've kinda given away that a townie got lynched today webadict.

and yeah... me and usec are scummy bastards! MWAHAHAHAHaahahaha :D

absolutely brilliant game. scariest bit was when webadict joined - we thought we were boned, and writing up those defensive + the scumtells on breadbocks... that was hard, hard work. brilliant feeling when we realised that it had payed off though. lynching zathras was a lucky break for us, one we didn't expect and we didn't realise how useful it was at the time; ripping the shit out of bread right till the end of the game made my life a good bit easier, i'll tell you that.

on that note... i really need to apologise to breadbocks and shibdib. breadbocks for the mountain of scumtells on day two, and you quit soon after that - you got a baptism of fire mafia-style, to be sure! but i think it was too harsh and probably contributed to your quit later, so sorry for that. and i don't think that your opening gambit (i actually do think it was a gambit though, lol) was quite as stupid as i made it out to be - opening a game in a novel way like that is the kind of creativity that makes mafia more interesting. even if that particular example wasn't... brilliant? also, we did have a good reason for killing you first night shibdib, please believe us :p you had kinda just come back from lurking and were shooting off votes left right and centre, having a loose cannon like that in the game was pretty scary. sorry to continue your run of dying very early in mafia games :( but it's good to see that you're sticking at it in the likes of third party mafia... where you also died super-early. heh. keep at it though, dude!

and yeah, i'd like to repeat the thanks i gave in scumchat to various dude. super props to all of you. and town, for those that didn't lurk, you played a solid game; hats off to broodymoods especially - you just need to make better decisions at the end of the day, i suppose :p you were all great though, and i'd be lying if you didn't have me sweating just a teeny bit at the end there zako.

to conclude: a game with brilliant moments and highs, thoroughly enjoyed it. and i might be scum, but i'm not a bad guy, really ;D
No, the endgame decision was breadbocks (AND ECLIPSETAIL!)'s fault, actually. Having a replace on the last Day, plus his whole scummy play, caused too much hurt to the Town. Had he been lynched D1 instead, this game would likely have ended fairly well. Had I been alive, you also would've been screwed: With eclipsetail gone (... He is an excellent example of what you NEVER EVER DO IN MAFIA), there was only you two left on the scum list. I would've lynched USEC for sure (There was no way around him being scum), and then would've had to work on finding you again.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 09, 2010, 04:13:52 pm
Pretty much what web said. Although, when I would've flipped town, you would've thought Zathras was scum, thus, same end. :-\
Doubtful. He either would've been NKed, or I personally would've protected him the next Day.

Oh, listening to me also might've helped. I am preeeeetty good. I kinda had the scumteam.

well you've kinda given away that a townie got lynched today webadict.

and yeah... me and usec are scummy bastards! MWAHAHAHAHaahahaha :D

absolutely brilliant game. scariest bit was when webadict joined - we thought we were boned, and writing up those defensive + the scumtells on breadbocks... that was hard, hard work. brilliant feeling when we realised that it had payed off though. lynching zathras was a lucky break for us, one we didn't expect and we didn't realise how useful it was at the time; ripping the shit out of bread right till the end of the game made my life a good bit easier, i'll tell you that.

on that note... i really need to apologise to breadbocks and shibdib. breadbocks for the mountain of scumtells on day two, and you quit soon after that - you got a baptism of fire mafia-style, to be sure! but i think it was too harsh and probably contributed to your quit later, so sorry for that. and i don't think that your opening gambit (i actually do think it was a gambit though, lol) was quite as stupid as i made it out to be - opening a game in a novel way like that is the kind of creativity that makes mafia more interesting. even if that particular example wasn't... brilliant? also, we did have a good reason for killing you first night shibdib, please believe us :p you had kinda just come back from lurking and were shooting off votes left right and centre, having a loose cannon like that in the game was pretty scary. sorry to continue your run of dying very early in mafia games :( but it's good to see that you're sticking at it in the likes of third party mafia... where you also died super-early. heh. keep at it though, dude!

and yeah, i'd like to repeat the thanks i gave in scumchat to various dude. super props to all of you. and town, for those that didn't lurk, you played a solid game; hats off to broodymoods especially - you just need to make better decisions at the end of the day, i suppose :p you were all great though, and i'd be lying if you didn't have me sweating just a teeny bit at the end there zako.

to conclude: a game with brilliant moments and highs, thoroughly enjoyed it. and i might be scum, but i'm not a bad guy, really ;D
No, the endgame decision was breadbocks (AND ECLIPSETAIL!)'s fault, actually. Having a replace on the last Day, plus his whole scummy play, caused too much hurt to the Town. Had he been lynched D1 instead, this game would likely have ended fairly well. Had I been alive, you also would've been screwed: With eclipsetail gone (... He is an excellent example of what you NEVER EVER DO IN MAFIA), there was only you two left on the scum list. I would've lynched USEC for sure (There was no way around him being scum), and then would've had to work on finding you again.

Why else did we decide to lynch you? (Well, Scatterbrain choose the lynch. But we decided on that when you came in.)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: Diablous on September 09, 2010, 04:14:22 pm
Roles:

Quote from: Townie
You were just a townsperson before the town was destroyed. Now, you must rely on your wits to figure out who amongst you are the scum who have contributed to destroying your beloved home town, and get the others to vote for them so they will be lynched.


You are a townie. You are town aligned. Each day you may vote for someone you want lynched. At the end of the day, whoever has the most votes is lynched. A tie causes a no lynch. You win when all mafia players are lynched.

Quote from: Cop
You used to be an officer in the police force the town was destroyed. Now, thanks to your training, you can investigate someone each night, looking for evidence to see if they are one of the mafia who contributed to destroyed your home town.

You are a cop. You are town aligned. You can investigate one player each night, and attempt to figure out what alignment they are. You win when all mafia players are lynched.

Quote from: Mafioso
You were a member of the Mafia before the Mafia and the town were destroyed. What remains of the town are trying to figure out who the remnants of the Mafia are. You aren't going to just let them blindly accuse each other until they get lucky and lynch you or your partner. You're going to get these guys before the get you. Each night, you and Scatterbrain will make a decision and kill one of the others. Once there are as many of them as there are of you, they won't be able to stop you. You and Scatterbrain have small, concealable radios on your person. You can use those to communicate between each other without the others finding out.
 
You are a Mafioso. You are mafia aligned. Scatterbrain is your fellow mafia member. Scatterbrain is a godfather, and comes up town aligned if inspected by the cop. You will still come up mafia if you are inspected. Each night you and Scatterbrain may choose a player to kill. You win when the amount of town players are equal to the amount of mafia players.

Quote from: Godfather
You were the leader of the Mafia before the Mafia and the town were destroyed. What remains of the town are trying to figure out who the remnants of the Mafia are. You aren't going to just let them blindly accuse each other until they get lucky and lynch you or your partner. You're going to get these guys before the get you. Each night, you and USEC_OFFICER will make a decision and kill one of the others. Once there are as many of them as there are of you, they won't be able to stop you. You and USEC_OFFICER have small, concealable radios on your person. You can use those to communicate between each other without the others finding out.

Hiding evidence, you were good at that. No matter how hard people tried, no one could get any evidence that you were in the Mafia. That could be important during these next few days. If someone attempted to investigate you and try to get evidence that you are a part of the mafia, they wouldn't get anything. They would think you are one of them.





You are a Godfather. You are mafia aligned. If inspected, the cop who inspected you will get a town result. USEC_OFFICER is your fellow mafia member. USEC_OFFICER is a Mafioso. X will still come up mafia aligned if inspected. Each night you and USEC_OFFICER may choose a player to kill. You win when the amount of town players is equal to the amount of mafia players.

Actions:
 
Quote from: Night 1 investigation
Somewhat shaken from Zathras' death and innocence, you decide to see if your suspicions about eclipsetail are correct. You leave your home and head towards eclipsetail's, making sure no one sees you. It would be very bad news if you were seen and others assumed you were one of the Mafia.
 
You arrive at the house, certain you were not seen. You enter through the unlocked back door. You look carefully over the kitchen you just entered, looking for any signs of traps. You find nothing, and proceed to carefully and silently search the home for any evidence. You find bills, letters, all kinds of crap you find in the average home. But no weapons, nothing that links him to the Mafia. You check your watch. Sun's going to come up soon. You don't want to be here when he wakes up. Your search having turned up nothing, you leave and return to your home. Looks like eclipsetail was innocent all along.

Quote from: Night 1 Kill
USEC and Scatterbrain have made your decision. It's time to off shibdib. And USEC gets to kill him. He packs a few things to bring with him, and leaves his home and heads to shibdib's.

USEC finds him sleeping in his bed room, all alone. He take out a pistol, and then fire each round into shibdib's head. He's dead. But USEC's not done with him yet. He drag the corpse to the kitchen and take out a bone saw. USEC then gets to work and detaches his arms, head, and legs from his torso. Then stuffs the pieces of shibdib into the fridge. That should teach this town that you do not mess with the Mafia.

Quote from: Night 2 Investigation
You depart from your home again. This time you head for TheBroodyMood's house. Hopefully this time you've struck scum.
 
You stealthily sneak into to the house and find Broody asleep on his couch. Taking care not to make any noise that would awake him, you begin a search of his house. You find lots of things you've seen in the homes of other innocents. Photos, papers, clothes. No weapons. No evidence that he was part of the Mafia. You investigated another innocent. You return to your home, only knowing one man's innocence.

Quote from: Night 2 Kill
The decision is made again. It's time for webadict to die. This time Scatterbrain will do the deed. He heads towards web's house with a chainsaw.
 
He finds his target, fast asleep, in his bed. web does not wake up when the chainsaw starts up. Seems like he's a heavy sleeper. Scatterbrain raises his chainsaw high, and brings it down on web's neck. It is torn apart and web is decapitated. He won't be giving you guys trouble anymore. You leave the chainsaw behind and return to your home. Got to wash the blood off before the morning.

Thanks for playing everybody!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 09, 2010, 04:14:55 pm
Had I been alive

oh, you were far too dangerous for us to ever possibly keep alive

;D




(actually we kinda sweated about there being a doctor and you getting protected, guess that was another bit of luck too. and yeah, bread dropping + inactive replacement on last day helped a whole bundle too)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Day 3 - Off with his head! REPLACEMENT NEEDED!
Post by: webadict on September 09, 2010, 04:16:57 pm
Had I been alive

oh, you were far too dangerous for us to ever possibly keep alive

;D




(actually we kinda sweated about there being a doctor and you getting protected, guess that was another bit of luck too. and yeah, bread dropping + inactive replacement on last day helped a whole bundle too)
If there had been a doctor and I hadn't been protected, people would've died.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 09, 2010, 04:17:48 pm
If Aklyon's replacement was any good, we might have had a problem. But there was no replacement. And so the town lost (Which seems to happen in every beginner's mafia game.)

Now to wait for Beginner's mafia XVI.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: webadict on September 09, 2010, 04:19:08 pm
If Aklyon's replacement was any good, we might have had a problem. But there was no replacement. And so the town lost (Which seems to happen in every beginner's mafia game.)

Now to wait for Beginner's mafia XVI.
I was kinda hoping to re-replace, but I was told the deadchat, so there wasn't anything I coulda done.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 09, 2010, 04:19:52 pm
If Aklyon's replacement was any good, we might have had a problem. But there was no replacement. And so the town lost (Which seems to happen in every beginner's mafia game.)

Now to wait for Beginner's mafia XVI.
I was kinda hoping to re-replace, but I was told the deadchat, so there wasn't anything I coulda done.
Thank god.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: webadict on September 09, 2010, 04:20:41 pm
If Aklyon's replacement was any good, we might have had a problem. But there was no replacement. And so the town lost (Which seems to happen in every beginner's mafia game.)

Now to wait for Beginner's mafia XVI.
I was kinda hoping to re-replace, but I was told the deadchat, so there wasn't anything I coulda done.
Thank god.
Lol. Scatterbrain did a good job, and you better thank him. Hes the reason you didn't get lynched this last Day.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 09, 2010, 04:23:26 pm
I know that. And I'm glad that I had him.

(Actually, I think I should thank Breadbocks just as much. If he didn't vote Zako, the day would have been worse for me.)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: Scatterbrain on September 09, 2010, 04:26:22 pm
yeah, thanks to breadbocks for his *aherm* co-operation, hehe
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2010, 04:46:58 pm
I might run XVI.  I need to do some writing.

Anyway, great job, scumteam ~
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: Zako on September 09, 2010, 04:54:16 pm
Goddammit I knew it! I just knew you were scum when webaddict died! Oh well, good game.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 09, 2010, 04:56:46 pm
Then why didn't you vote for me? I'm sure Aklyon's vote was still good. You could have done something.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: webadict on September 09, 2010, 05:42:29 pm
Then why didn't you vote for me? I'm sure Aklyon's vote was still good. You could have done something.
^This.

I mean, I was pretty clear about who was scum.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: Zathras on September 09, 2010, 05:58:49 pm
Great game, all! And very well played by the scum. I had not the slightest inkling of your scummitude, and focused too much on breadbox, zako and eclipse.

And Broody, man, what a call on day one. It had far reaching consequences... Oh well. Catch y'all on the next one.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: Tack on September 09, 2010, 09:07:17 pm
Good game, people. I will admit, I had entirely the wrong people in mind until I saw the spoilers - but then, them's the breaks on the first day.

A huge apology to Zathras to starting your lynchwagon. I had already changed my opinion of you before the first day ended, but then, I wasn't a player yet, so I couldn't really say anything to sway people one way or another. If you had stayed in the game, somehow I think the outcome might have been different. You're a savvy player, so I'll want to play with you in the next one.

Kudos to the Mafia team - USEC, your lurking could have gotten you lynched early on - but remember that when you're playing against more experienced players, there's little that will deter someone from calling scum on you when you lurk- despite time zone, or anything. As I've 'noticed' before, even if your life is falling to pieces, people still aren't going to take your excuses for granted. However, seeing as this is beginner mafia, people are generally going to go for the active/stupid people first- so you did well.

Scatterbrain- That was pretty damn good Mafioso-ing. I'll tell you, I was sitting on the sideline laughing every time someone got 'deflected' from FoS-ing you, and the fact that nobody noticed it was just great. One bit I did frown a bit at was on the second or third day, you made a long list of people you caught scum-tells from. The biggest mistake you made was that there were only two people who had short lists, and only one who you claimed to have No suspicions on. And that person was USEC. I think Webadict might have picked up on that, because your defending USEC kinda jumped out at me.


Anyway, apart from me acting like I know what I'm talking about- Spectacular game, people, and I'll be looking forward to the next B Mafia.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 10, 2010, 02:40:37 pm
Kudos to the Mafia team - USEC, your lurking could have gotten you lynched early on - but remember that when you're playing against more experienced players, there's little that will deter someone from calling scum on you when you lurk- despite time zone, or anything. As I've 'noticed' before, even if your life is falling to pieces, people still aren't going to take your excuses for granted. However, seeing as this is beginner mafia, people are generally going to go for the active/stupid people first- so you did well.

That's why I'm playing the beginner's games. That, and to get to the point were I can start hosting mafia games. (Those who can't do host, or something like that.)
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: TheBroodyMoods on September 10, 2010, 05:27:30 pm
I refuse to take any responsibility at all, once so ever for loosing. Its not my fault. It is the fault of everyone else. Looking at you Zako, Zathras and Webaddict.

GOD! I can't do everything by myself.

-no but seriously. sorry I borked it for town. NEXT TIME, SCUUUM!
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: webadict on September 10, 2010, 05:30:03 pm
I refuse to take any responsibility at all, once so ever for loosing. Its not my fault. It is the fault of everyone else. Looking at you Zako, Zathras and Webaddict.

GOD! I can't do everything by myself.

-no but seriously. sorry I borked it for town. NEXT TIME, SCUUUM!
Dude, I left several suspicions. It is the Town's fault for not using them.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: breadbocks on September 10, 2010, 05:39:57 pm
I refuse to take any responsibility at all, once so ever for loosing[sic]. Its not my fault. It is the fault of everyone else. Looking at you Zako, Zathras and Webaddict.

GOD! I can't do everything by myself.

-no but seriously. sorry I borked it for town. NEXT TIME, SCUUUM!
Why isn't my name on that list?
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: eclipsetail on September 10, 2010, 05:41:58 pm
And me.

Seriously I failed hard.
Playing epic mafia(which probably won't help here) to try to get better.
Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIV - Game Over! Mafia win!
Post by: webadict on September 10, 2010, 06:01:38 pm
And me.
Understatement.