I'd also play, if you'd take me, but I think it would be kind of cheap at this point.
If you want to play, you can. I won't stop you.
Thinking of a clever sentence with in in it.
In.
As an IC if you want.
Thinking of a clever sentence with in in it.
You missed an in.
I'll take Scum IC instead if players are plentiful.
In.
As an IC if you want.
so... two spaces left? that didn't take long, yay
You got to remember, its not an individual game, its a team game. You still win if your team wins, even if your dead. Scum are more scared of loosing because of their smaller numbers, hence why cowardice is a scumtell and agression and scumhunting is a towntell. If you are town, you should never be worried about being lynched unless its lylo.
Oh, come now... you're not screwed. There's a lion inside everyone. You just have to excavate it and teach it how to roar =)Or teach it to shoot the scum in the face.
Oh, come now... you're not screwed. There's a lion inside everyone. You just have to excavate it and teach it how to roar =)Or teach it to shoot the scum in the face.
Can I have a spot? First mafia game, looks fun...
Can I have spoilspec?
To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.
Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/It doesn't. First post, used to generate conversation. No point in making a truly random vote, and I'm interested on how people react to my arbitrary vote. With the mild understanding of thought process I have, I could in theory get a lead on scum. That could be my strategy, or I could be covering the possible scum position I may or may not have by voting for myself leading people to think I'm a Joker type position, or I could be a bored town role/townie. Take that as you will, I'm in this to win, be I a town-sider, a Scum-sider, or a third party.
There are no jokers in this game. There are also no third parties in this game.
Just... FYI.
(five? can town get a roleblocker?)
Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the BBB gambit (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambit). Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.
Probably the stupidest of all gambits in the world, BBB's Gambit is the gambit that, when you claim scum and ask the Town to lynch you, they will assume you are Jester, and proceed to not lynch you.
In recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?
Perhaps you could look at the title of the thread. I'd try it, because I mean, well, take a look:QuoteIn recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?
... Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.
There are no jokers in this game. There are also no third parties in this game.
Just... FYI.
Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the BBB gambit (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambit). Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.
So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.
So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
Who knows what would happen. Then it would be advisable to use as a Joker. Also, it would be hard to rate based on one useage. Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.
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unvote breadbocksSo, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.
unvote breadbocksWas this not enough for you?So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.
So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
I voted Zako first, using the website that Vector provided to randomly pick his name from the list. I was going to hold my vote until Zako responded, but as the topic went on my suspicions were roused by Breadbocks.
As of yet, and mind you it has been a very short amount of time since this game started, Breadbocks seems the most scummy. Mostly for his WIFOM/I'm a Joker Town/I'm Scum Pretending to be a Joker Town shenanigans on the first day- without even so much as a single useful vote being cast before using this strategy. He never once says implicitly that he is town and it constantly referencing to a strategy that worked once and seems to be designed as a last resort scum gambit. And this following sentiment makes me think if he is not scum he's at least not proving himself to be an asset to town:
Ah well. I had fun. I suppose saying I'm a townie won't help. C'est La Vie as they say in Frenchland.
Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.
Oh, and a sidenote--it's generally good to at least make sure everyone has shown up before ending the day. I don't know if they have or not, but I figured I'd put it out there.
Just a hint.
Breadbocks, why are you being a jerkface?I'd just like to let you know, breadbocks, that acting like me will not let you live through this game. Yes, voting for yourself is funny and brings lots of information to vote on, but you've got to have a talent to defend the oncoming crapstorm that'll spew up.
Reminding you of something webby?Go suck a lemon.
Is there point to quoting yourself? SCUM ALERT! :PBreadbocks, why are you being a jerkface?I'd just like to let you know, breadbocks, that acting like me will not let you live through this game. Yes, voting for yourself is funny and brings lots of information to vote on, but you've got to have a talent to defend the oncoming crapstorm that'll spew up.
Seriously, it's just inadvisable to do that. Just as it's inadvisable to end the Day. It'll lead to a very unwanted witchhunt that'll ALSO not end well.
So, having the town's best interest at heart is a very good thing right now. If you're going to be lynched, fight back. Bring up more information. Try to frame someone if you're scum. DO SOMETHING.
Cancel Day EndI am webadict. I do what I want.Is there point to quoting yourself? SCUM ALERT! :PBreadbocks, why are you being a jerkface?I'd just like to let you know, breadbocks, that acting like me will not let you live through this game. Yes, voting for yourself is funny and brings lots of information to vote on, but you've got to have a talent to defend the oncoming crapstorm that'll spew up.
Seriously, it's just inadvisable to do that. Just as it's inadvisable to end the Day. It'll lead to a very unwanted witchhunt that'll ALSO not end well.
So, having the town's best interest at heart is a very good thing right now. If you're going to be lynched, fight back. Bring up more information. Try to frame someone if you're scum. DO SOMETHING.
I am webadict. I do what I want.
Also, I'm telling you to stop being an idiot, so, yeah, I can do that.
As to the scumbuddy question, I wouldn't know. And what would you like to know Broody? Plus, I see how you use Random.org to distance yourself from the vote on me. Don't be shy, thats scummy!
Plus, I saw that you supported the shortening Zathras and Breadlocks. Explain yourselves!
Really, Day shorten already?
Some people haven't even posted. We have until Wednesday, we should at least wait until Monday.
I do not think a day shorten helps anyone at all, and I am opposed to it. Its first day. Calm yourselves. Breadbocks will be just as dead tomorrow...
Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.
Not sure, we was at some point, now hes just lurking around. Again, I suspect.
Tell me eclipsetail, why did you cancel your shortening of the day? Chickening out now that you've drawn my eye?? You still haven't answered my question from before, btw. And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras. I'm getting to you in a bit.
USEC isn't voting for himsself. his vote was for... zako, i think?
And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras.You didn't ask me a question.
(And there's a 5-minute or so grace period when edits won't show up >_> People often use it to fix typos and such.)
And I didn't know anything about no-edit-appear time.
@Mod & ICs, can you clarify the no-editing rule? I thought it was "no edits ever, for any reason, period", even if the forum does allow a short window where it doesn't display it. I saw an old game where Org was given endless shit for editing even where it didn't show -- remember that some people have forum settings such that they receive an email with the contents of your post, pre-edit (even within the window). Also, the window is pretty short; if you are fixing two typos, replacing a comma with a semicolon, and rereading to make sure, you may miss the window by a couple of seconds, and BAM! instant rules violation and probable modkill.
On other things, shibdib hasn't posted yet, two days in. Mod: has he been prodded?
For the record, I generally would support a "lynch all lurkers" policy, but for this game, breadbox has to go first. I still rather not wait until Wednesday for that.
@Mod & ICs, can you clarify the no-editing rule? I thought it was "no edits ever, for any reason, period", even if the forum does allow a short window where it doesn't display it. I saw an old game where Org was given endless shit for editing even where it didn't show -- remember that some people have forum settings such that they receive an email with the contents of your post, pre-edit (even within the window). Also, the window is pretty short; if you are fixing two typos, replacing a comma with a semicolon, and rereading to make sure, you may miss the window by a couple of seconds, and BAM! instant rules violation and probable modkill.
On other things, shibdib hasn't posted yet, two days in. Mod: has he been prodded?
And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras.You didn't ask me a question.
Plus, I saw that you supported the shortening Zathras and Breadlocks. Explain yourselves!
For the record, I generally would support a "lynch all lurkers" policy, but for this game, breadbox has to go first. I still rather not wait until Wednesday for that.
That is not a question. Questions generally end with one of these --> "?"Oh really? Then whats this?And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras.You didn't ask me a question.Plus, I saw that you supported the shortening Zathras and Breadlocks. Explain yourselves!
The problem, breadbocks, is that the BBB gambit would only help scum, even if it worked. There is no reason for a townie to try it, only for a scum, so you really just have yourself to blame.
Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.Ouch. OK, then unvote eclipsetail, vote breadbocks. Let's get this over with so we can go back to RVS/scumhunting without the BBB thing hanging over our heads.
Yeah... on the other hand, I'd rather the game proceed faster and that breadbox does get the noose. I agree we need to get back into deliberations, RVS and scumhunting, but the BBB thing would just prevent or distract from that. I'd rather not wait until wednesday for this to end. Also, if we just ignore breadbox, we get the worst possible result: the BBB works and someone tries it again.
I also see that you haven't taken back your shortening of the day unvote so why is that Zathras?Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.
And another thing:
[...]why lynch the lurkers when you could just replace them? Takes away a lynch from us to kill a inactive player. I don't really see much logic in that.
Broody, bread is obvtown to me. Read my post reguarding him and think about it, there is no point to lynching him just so that we can get to playing. Thats what the scum want. I'm not defending him, what he did was stupid, but it wasn't scummy in my eyes. Just newbish. And for the record, I never said you shortened the day, I was talking to Zathras and bread when I said that.
Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.
Dude, hes an idiot, not scum. I've seen it happen before with webadict, and it's happening here. He thinks it was a good idea and it backfired. I'm not defending him, I'm saying hes stupid and we shouldn't waste a lynch on him.I see what you are saying. I'm saying he's both. But OK -- we'll see when end of day comes whether more people are on the "just an idiot" side, or on the "scum/too dumb to live/too anti-town to risk/can't encourage this behaviour" side.
When you say that you provided an explaination, I don't really see it.I provided a clear step-by-step rationale of each of my actions. If you see something unexplained, please point it out more specifically.
[...]Finally, I am not defending him. I do not think that hes scum, but I do think he did something stupid that confuses the town which is bad.Yes, to YOU he's not scum, even after a) voting for himself; b) saying that he saw being scum as an excuse; and c) refusing to help town at all thereafter. To ME that is scum, and to ME, your defending him is very scummy. The gallant knight act does not become you. You are trying to keep him around, probably because he has a power role. You wouldn't want to lose your godfather/roleblocking scumbuddy, would you?
[...]And I said that he's obvtown TO ME. Not to everyone, TO ME. You can all think of him what you will, but I don't want to lynch a newb cause he made a stupid mistake.
I do however somewhat agree with you on the lurkers, I just don't want to waste lynches on them, thats all.I'm glad we agree. Unfortunately, the only way to pressure them is to threaten them with a lynch for lurking, and the only way that threat carries any weight is by seeing it through if necessary. I agree with you that it shouldn't be done all the time right away, but pressure has to be maintained. For the record, my shorten request relates to the BBB thing, not lurkers; the lurkers can die in the fullness of time, but the actively stupid/anti-town/obvscum/don't-really-wanna-play ones should die faster or we risk them taking the game down with them.
And explain to me, how do you see the words 'I see being scum as an excuse' scummy? I want your opinion, how does this trip alarm bells for you?Dude, how doesn't it? He read the article on the wiki, thought it would be fun, was looking for an excuse to try it, he rolled scum, he saw being scum as an excuse, and so he tried it. Them's the bells.
I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.As to lurking, well, your last post was over 24hrs ago here, and quite devoid of content; you've been very active elsewhere on the forums, and come here mere minutes after your name is mentioned. It seems more in line with scum-lurking strategy than people who just vanish from the forums for a while because they're busy. This doesn't necessarily make you scum, but looks scummy.
Unvote. Scatterbrain, discounting the last beginners game, (Where you got nightkilled immediately after replacing someone) what did you learn from your last beginner's mafia? (If any.)
- Scatterbrain; some lurking, need to tell us more about their observations.
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I didn't get to post it yesterday, so...
I'm not liking breadbocks.
I'll stand in for Shibdib, if it comes to it.Already called, but I will relinquish my claim.
Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.
Fakeedit: And webaddict, you are WAY too experienced at Mafia to be actually competing in this.Someone's gotta whip 'em into shape. Nothing teaches you how to play Mafia faster than KILLING THE SCUM WITH LASERVISION!
Fakeedit2: Damn. I coulda sworn I hit the 'stop' button on my browser.
in hindsight, this is a fair enough accusation; in the following posts, breadboks didn't leave much doubt that he was scum, and other people have already scumhunted him down enough to not warrant mysself going into any more detail on the matter. but when this post was made, it was hardly a certainty that he was scum. therefore, why would any good down land a vote on him without, at least, trying to do some digging on the matter? to vote someone, before it's certain that they're scum, and without trying to get more out of them; that's scum securing an easy lynch on town.Just trying to get a start to my first game, but fine. Want me to dig deeper then he's already done for us? Fine.
your subsequent posts have been you trying to scramble away from the mistake of asking for a dayshorten. with your actions are as scummy as they are, we don't have any reason to believe that it's legit. in fact, it just piles the scum on. after that, you've been lurking. oh, did i mention how much lurking helps scum? oh wait, i did; several times now. other people too. it doesn't look good for you, scumbuckets.I don't remember lurking. When did I do this?
but what doesn't add up is this; if eclipsetail is scum, then why is he voting for breadbooks? using his scumbuddy as cover? in other circumstances, it would put money on them being scumbuddies... but this confuses things somewhat. nevertheless, you're both at the top of my scumlist.How it adds up? Maybe I'm not scum.
Eclipsetail canceling his shortening the next day could be a scumtell. If he could post to Vector's reply (about pointing out how not everyone has posted.) then why couldn't he post his cancel then?
Eclipsetail canceling his shortening the next day could be a scumtell. If he could post to Vector's reply (about pointing out how not everyone has posted.) then why couldn't he post his cancel then?
Because I didn't know how to cancel my shorten, or if we were even able to.
...And yes, as scummy as it always Looks, could I get a vote count- because I am too lazy to track all this stuff in my head all the time. :/
Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.
I'll stand in for Shibdib, if it comes to it.Already called, but I will relinquish my claim.
It would be much too easy. :P
Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.
I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.
What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!
Dude, hes an idiot, not scum. I've seen it happen before with webadict, and it's happening here. He thinks it was a good idea and it backfired. I'm not defending him, I'm saying hes stupid and we shouldn't waste a lynch on him.
Eclipsetail canceling his shortening the next day could be a scumtell. If he could post to Vector's reply (about pointing out how not everyone has posted.) then why couldn't he post his cancel then?
Because I didn't know how to cancel my shorten, or if we were even able to.
There's probably some (ie a lot) of scumtells I missed. But those are the major ones I found.
About shibdib: He hasn't been online since before the game started. I'm giving him until tommorow. If he doesn't show up by then, I'll replace him.
Secondly:Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.
I suppose I deserve that for just asking and not being more clear; Why is he the scummiest Player? What makes him more scummy than you, who is very nearly on the verge of being lynched?
Please elaborate.
Fourth:THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.
What strikes me most about your posts is that you seem more blood thirsty than anything. I think its rather obvious he'll be lynched, but you seem to feel uncomfortable with the fact that people are starting to question lynching him at all, even if it is just to explore posts previously made.
I still feel very suspicious of him, but I don't think lynching him and ending the day helps anything except scum getting their night kill. We're not going to magically forget about him if we start to look at other possibilities.
THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it.
So, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?
Unvote.
Quite, what about you, Breadbocks? Am I the only one you find suspicious?
Feel like sharing your reasons? Or is it just because I'm scumhunting?
As I said, I was looking for scum tells in his response.
I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.
What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!
For one, you're being aggressive-but instead of focusing it towards scumhunting, you keep trying to protect yourself without taking time to actually question people who aren't on your case.
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.
Well, Arse. I hope I haven't caused anyone to lean towards Zathras unduly.
I might just get spoilspec, please? I see you've got another replacement who called it before Webaddict and I.
Well, Arse. I hope I haven't caused anyone to lean towards Zathras unduly.
I might just get spoilspec, please? I see you've got another replacement who called it before Webaddict and I.
May I ask what a spoilspec is?
Sorry if I missed it somewhere here.
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.
You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?
"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".
Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?
Yeah... on the other hand, I'd rather the game proceed faster and that breadbox does get the noose. I agree we need to get back into deliberations, RVS and scumhunting, but the BBB thing would just prevent or distract from that. I'd rather not wait until wednesday for this to end. Also, if we just ignore breadbox, we get the worst possible result: the BBB works and someone tries it again.
Day end or Day shortening, whichever gets it done faster.
For the record, my shorten request relates to the BBB thing, not lurkers; the lurkers can die in the fullness of time, but the actively stupid/anti-town/obvscum/don't-really-wanna-play ones should die faster or we risk them taking the game down with them.
As to my previous point, you seem to be ruthlessly pursuing breadbocks as "too dumb to live" (at very least). You're championing a cause that is all but won.Thanks. I find it hard to abide by a "just for the lulz", "too lazy", "don't really want to play" attitude in a mafia game. Uselessness is almost as bad for town as scum. The fact that breadbox seems to be both makes the cause worthy, but it's not won until he hangs, or until our discussion about it makes someone else drop such an obvious scumtell that we bag a clear mafioso first. But letting breadbox live just encourages this behaviour. We can't have that.
Zathras, for your money, if we lynched you who gets night killed first?Hmmm... probably you, or scatterbrain. Whoever is doing the most actual scumhunting will be the mafia's best target, especially if they have been targeting the right person.
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.
You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?
"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".
Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?
The shorten request had nothing to do with shibdib or the lurking. As I mentioned earlier, it was for breadbox, specifically at the beginning, when there were already enough votes to hammer him, and it was clear he should go down -- shorten so we can move on and can get back to the game. I make this position clear at least twice:
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.
You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?
"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".
Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?
The shorten request had nothing to do with shibdib or the lurking. As I mentioned earlier, it was for breadbox, specifically at the beginning, when there were already enough votes to hammer him, and it was clear he should go down -- shorten so we can move on and can get back to the game. I make this position clear at least twice:
If that's true, why mention Shibdib at all? I may be harping on the smallest of points, but I don't like the inconsistency.
I don't see how I defended anybody. Explain.Read.
Eclipsetail, how about you? I've seen you try to defend from scatterbrain, but have you formed any opinions of your own?
And right now I don't have many thoughts on the scummy, besides breadbocks, for obvious reasons.
Breadbox, much to my surprise, I can see Zako's point earlier. You really are an idiot.
Onto other things, Spartan. He is totally scum-lurking.
Spartan, you are scum lurking. Major FoS on you, It's only breadbox that stops me from voting you outright.
...Uselessness is almost as bad for town as scum.
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.
You are right in saying he's an idiot, you are not right in saying he's obvtown. I have no problem admitting others being right when they are, but I have not agreed with you that he's not scum. If I thought he was obvtown, as you have said he is, I would unvote him. But I didn't, so I don't.Breadbox, much to my surprise, I can see Zako's point earlier. You really are an idiot.What's this? Admitting I was right? Can I say, I told you so?
And even after outright saying that spartan is scum, he still prefers to vote for the idiot, which he acknowledged was infact an idiot.Idiot and scum, is what I said. And I'm perfectly prepared to vote for Spartan if he gives me more reason to do so. For the moment, I'm applying my pressure where I believe the weakest link of the scum chain is. Zako, you agree with me that Spartan is scummy; is he scummier than I? scummier than breadbox? If so, why don't you vote him?
Dude, if you think spartan is scum VOTE FOR HIM. Pressure the scumbag! Saying he's scum and not voting for him but voting for the idiot instead is scummy.
And theres this which I don't really understand:Sure: scum is bad for town; uselessness is bad for town; scum is worse for town because they get a night kill, uselessness doesn't get a night kill; therefore, uselessness is almost as bad for town as scum is bad for town. They are both bad for town, scum is worse because they kill....Uselessness is almost as bad for town as scum.
Are you supporting scum here? Are you saying that it's harder to be scum than town or something? Clarify this for me please.
Plus you saying that shibdib needs the time to play, disreguarding your shortening of the day? Wut? You're going back on yourself.Please read my previous post to Broody where I address this very point. I didn't disregard it, I made a shorten request to get rid of breadbox, and withdrew it as a courtesy to shibdib, so he can catch up.
Zako, those thoughts about Zathras was basicly what I was thinking.
I just couldn't put it all together, but you did.
I really don't think Bread is scum now. I just think he's being weird.
Unvote. Zathras, what do you think of the game so far?
I currently think Zathras and Spartan are scum. That's about it so far though.
Don't try to get attention off of you by stating a single scumtell.
Plus, with all those FoS' on everyone, why don't you back it up with a vote? Put your money where your mouth is.
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.
You see, I have a problem with this: what is the logic in preventing a player from commenting at all with a day shorten? Is it to motivate him to show up?
"Oh, now that he's here- we don't need to hurry up and make sure he doesn't get to say anything".
Why shorten the day to try and punish a lurker? What is the point?
The shorten request had nothing to do with shibdib or the lurking. As I mentioned earlier, it was for breadbox, specifically at the beginning, when there were already enough votes to hammer him, and it was clear he should go down -- shorten so we can move on and can get back to the game. I make this position clear at least twice:
If that's true, why mention Shibdib at all? I may be harping on the smallest of points, but I don't like the inconsistency.
There is no inconsistency. As I said, he's back, needs the time, and is a factor in my decision to withdraw. You imply that he was a factor in my decision to request it, but nowhere I say that. I requested it for breadbox, I withdraw it for shibdib. No inconsistency.
On other things, what do you think about Spartan? Do you have opinions on the surprisingly quiet USEC?
TheBroodyMoods:
I don't know who would get NK'd tonight. I'm going with my guts and I think you would get shanked tonight. As for scum: Zathras is scum. Eclipsetail looks a bit scummy, as well as Spartan.
I see that you also caught onto the backflip Zathras did.
Scatterbrain, for saying that he gets on when not a lot of people post, and then attacking eclipsetail for lurking. Did you even look at the timestamps?
And ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?
I'm leaving some stuff out (ahem-scatterbrain-ahem), I am sure, but I would like this post to wrap it up for the time being:
Zathras, for your money, if we lynched you who gets night killed first?Hmmm... probably you, or scatterbrain. Whoever is doing the most actual scumhunting will be the mafia's best target, especially if they have been targeting the right person.
QuoteI'm leaving some stuff out (ahem-scatterbrain-ahem), I am sure, but I would like this post to wrap it up for the time being:
i see that later on you (broodymoods) say that you have yet to examine me, but here there's a suggestion that you already have an opinion? i'd be interested to hear it.
There's probably some (ie a lot) of scumtells I missed. But those are the major ones I found.
What are your thoughts on Zako, than? and Me? And what of the ever lurking, invisible [insert player name here]? Should we lynch the lurkers as a rule?
Spartan 117, what prevents you from trying to scumhunt?
Quotenow this interests me, zathras. in the eyes of some, i'm being a bit lurky (which i've already talked about - being on at different times and whatnot), but you're suggesting that i'm actually out there scumhunting. how would you account for this difference of opinion?QuoteZathras, for your money, if we lynched you who gets night killed first?Hmmm... probably you, or scatterbrain. Whoever is doing the most actual scumhunting will be the mafia's best target, especially if they have been targeting the right person.
Damn it Zathras, have you not been listening to me? I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things. What don't you understand about that?
alright, let's get this show on the road! :D
shibdib, what did you think of the last beginners mafia? did you learn anything from it?
[...]Not quite sure what to respond to this. I guess the best reason I have is that despite saying, quite consistently, how scummy he though other people, he seems to still want to pursue me. ???
Breadbocks has frankly disappointed me: I was hoping for a something more than just "he's out to get me", which is just weak; doesn't mean it's untrue, just means it's weak.
[...]No quite sure what turning some bandwagons means, but I'm going to guess it means stop people from voteing for someone, just to vote for someone.
Breadbocks, come in here and prove me wrong- start over turning some of these bandwagons or you're going to end up in the noose again.
[...][Fail grammar understanding] No quite sure id this is at me or eclipse. Clarify please?[/fail grammar understanding]
hmm - i didn't look at the timestamps; i guess not being on at the same time as everyone else blurs my perception of things. but i feel my point still stands; maybe not lurking technically, but when he has showed his face his posts have been of very little content and of even less consequence; save to drop on a not-yet-condemned breadbocks, and whilst doing no digging to follow up on his suspicions. which, when i pointed this out to him, he tried this on.QuoteAnd ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?
which is just a token show at scumhunting. that's what his game has been so far - token showing up, token voting and token cover-ups for when he realises he has screwed-up (twice now, first for day shortening, now for lack of scumhunting). the bare minimum. he has kept in the background and come up with flimsy reasons and motives for his actions. i smell scum.
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Unvote.No problem. Entirely understandable. Of course when I get proven townie we could end up being wrong about Zako, and he is on my side to make him look like a townie/town role. Not quite sure with the WIFOM. :-\
Lynching Breadbocks I think will prove the most informative; this could potentially damn Zako or Zathras, depending on how he flips. And I am not convinced if we let him get to day two that'd he'd be of any use excepting sucking up another day of debate.
Sorry buddy.
Wow. 24hrs pass and abysmal activity. This is why lurking hurts town, and the game.Hasn't been a full day for me yet, I think. I wake up at 8a.m. local, go to school for 7 hours, get back home at ~5p.m. let my netbook boot up, read through the topic, catch up on the rest of the forums, do homework, then post. Cut some slack for people who can't check the game every five minutes. Spartan is the only real lurker right now.
USEC, Spartan, breadbox; haven't posted in over 24hrs. Spartan in quite a bit longer than that, and USEC's attempt was half-harted at best. To the one or two of you who isn't scum: STOP LURKING! This only helps the scum lurk with impunity, distracts those who are scumhunting, and you fail to be of any use whatsoever to the town. If you join a game, it is only polite to actually play the game.
::) He posted before you by around, 9 minutes. You would've gotten a notification before you posted. Quit making posts that are pointless.Damn it Zathras, have you not been listening to me? I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things. What don't you understand about that?
Heh. I invoked you! Speak his name and he shall appear!
Fair enough. The point stands about the rest, though.
Day ends in 24 hours. If the day ends in a tie, it will be a no lynch.Don't do that. That's a bad thing for beginners to have to deal with.
Don't do that. That's a bad thing for beginners to have to deal with.
Which means I'm talking to you, beginners.
No, I think the Day should be extended until someone breaks the tie. That way it's not completely anti-Town.Don't do that. That's a bad thing for beginners to have to deal with.
Which means I'm talking to you, beginners.
What, you think it should be a double-lynch? That's not really better. It's their responsibility to get off their asses and extend the day when needed.
it seems that most of the bile is coming from he keenness to end day early - something that i have already stated i am against - but, on the whole, when he did reverse his decision, his reasons were legit enough. but what's getting me more is how he's chasing down breadbocks, a guy who's lynching was practically a certainty anyway, and in the meanwhile is pointing lots of FoS's. while i'm keeping in mind that it could be a scum playing it safe whilst redirecting a bit of attention away from himsself, for now, i'll put it down to the fact that it's still day one, and having a go at a variety of different people is still an acceptable tactic.
Oppose day extension.
it seems that most of the bile is coming from he keenness to end day early - something that i have already stated i am against - but, on the whole, when he did reverse his decision, his reasons were legit enough. but what's getting me more is how he's chasing down breadbocks, a guy who's lynching was practically a certainty anyway, and in the meanwhile is pointing lots of FoS's. while i'm keeping in mind that it could be a scum playing it safe whilst redirecting a bit of attention away from himsself, for now, i'll put it down to the fact that it's still day one, and having a go at a variety of different people is still an acceptable tactic.
Uhhhh.... Scatter? o_o
Oppose day extension.
[...][Fail grammar understanding] No quite sure id this is at me or eclipse. Clarify please?[/fail grammar understanding]
hmm - i didn't look at the timestamps; i guess not being on at the same time as everyone else blurs my perception of things. but i feel my point still stands; maybe not lurking technically, but when he has showed his face his posts have been of very little content and of even less consequence; save to drop on a not-yet-condemned breadbocks, and whilst doing no digging to follow up on his suspicions. which, when i pointed this out to him, he tried this on.QuoteAnd ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?
which is just a token show at scumhunting. that's what his game has been so far - token showing up, token voting and token cover-ups for when he realises he has screwed-up (twice now, first for day shortening, now for lack of scumhunting). the bare minimum. he has kept in the background and come up with flimsy reasons and motives for his actions. i smell scum.
[...]
In any case, since shibdib has rejoined and has to catch up, and the gambit (that NEVER WAS) is no loner in place, I withdraw my shorten request, though my vote remains on breadbocks for being too scummy and dumb to live.
oh, just one[/quote][...][Fail grammar understanding] No quite sure id this is at me or eclipse. Clarify please?[/fail grammar understanding]
hmm - i didn't look at the timestamps; i guess not being on at the same time as everyone else blurs my perception of things. but i feel my point still stands; maybe not lurking technically, but when he has showed his face his posts have been of very little content and of even less consequence; save to drop on a not-yet-condemned breadbocks, and whilst doing no digging to follow up on his suspicions. which, when i pointed this out to him, he tried this on.QuoteAnd ok, breadbocks, what are you thinking of the game so far?
which is just a token show at scumhunting. that's what his game has been so far - token showing up, token voting and token cover-ups for when he realises he has screwed-up (twice now, first for day shortening, now for lack of scumhunting). the bare minimum. he has kept in the background and come up with flimsy reasons and motives for his actions. i smell scum.
[...]
this was directed at eclipsetail.
also, breadbocks - he opposed it, but then changed his mind. that was a while back now.
(edited for a quotebox being in the wrong place)
I'm voting for Spartan 117, not Zako.
Can some1 explain why bread is getting voted on? I've reread twice and cant find a good reason you guys bandwagoned him
I've had enough of Spartan's lurking. Prod him please. We need his opinion NOW.
Oppose extension
I'll likely regret this, but I have to go with my gut:
unvote
Zathras, I sincerely hope I am not wrong about this.
if you extend the day, we could discuss it further.Interesting proposal, but I shall decline. I rather the game moves forward. This diddling about with half the game being idiots and/or lurkers frankly diminishes the fun.
if you extend the day, we could discuss it further.Interesting proposal, but I shall decline. I rather the game moves forward. This diddling about with half the game being idiots and/or lurkers frankly diminishes the fun.
TOWN! Go after Eclipsetail and Zako! That's your scumteam right there. Don't let our deaths be in vain!
You all gather again and find shibdib missing.WHAT?!?! THAT WAS ONE OF MY PICKS!
Town IC, what do you think we should do right now? We need advice.
Scatterbrain, who do you like as scum? Do you suspect Breadbocks still?
absolutely. can't believe he wasn't lynched; i had been assuming that his scumminess was so plain to see that i needn't elaborate on it, but i might need to go and build a case agianst him at some point, because we can't let this guy get away just because he squeezed through night one.
Big Questions:
Breadbocks scum, or poor town?
see above
Spartan Lurking or just not showing up?
either way, i'm calling him out. i want him lynched or replace by the end of the day.
Is Eclipsetail going to bother trying to explain himself?
even if he does, his explanations so far have been, quite frankly, pathetic. i wouldn't wait up on it.
Scatterbrain, what do you think about USEC or Broody? Tell me your thoughts.
USEC After yesterday's Lynch and last night's NK, how do you feel about the tells people dropped? You still suspect Zako- what are your feelings on the folks that voted Zathras? Including me. Did scum bandwagon him or do you think Scum split the difference? You and Shibdip both had the same vote, do you think you two hit a vein, or did you NK him to avoid the spot light?
Big Questions:
Breadbocks scum, or poor town?
Spartan Lurking or just not showing up?
Is Eclipsetail going to bother trying to explain himself?
USEC: what do you think town needs to be doing today if it isn't to lose another innocent? what willl you be doing to help the cause?
thus far broody seems to have been a fairly safe bet for town - but i still don't really follow why he switched his vote from breadbocks to zathras, especially seeing as how crucial such a decision was; he would need a damn good reason for doing so. (while i'm here, broody, could you go over your reasoning for the switch again? i'm stupid and still not undesrtanding your reasoning). it's something that needs cross examining, given how significant it was.
SNIP.
Spartan has aready been proded. And I assume he'll be replaced soon.
I'm taking over for Spartan, 'less there be some sort of reason why I shan't.
At least you'll post.Understatement of the minute.
Spartan has aready been proded. And I assume he'll be replaced soon.
I would like a prod of Spartan, Eclipse and breadbocks.
yay! off to bed now, so i won't make an elaborate post.Why, that's too easy. I'd rather that you tell me who they are.
webadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?
Oh, and why you think it is those two.yay! off to bed now, so i won't make an elaborate post.Why, that's too easy. I'd rather that you tell me who they are.
webadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?
BreadBocks, for reasons of last round.That's only one, and it's not very descriptive. Tell me WHY. Reiterate. What is YOUR reasoning?
Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.Well, I don't want people to bandwagon behind me in case I'm wrong. It's unlikely that I'm wrong, but I don't want to have to dig through sheep-followers after I say who it is I think is scum. After I have some answers (You need one too, pal), I'll divulge my secrets.
And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.
Oh. Meh. I'm still not scum.And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.
I'm the town IC this time, sweetcheeks. Bug me in the other game.
Oh. Meh. I'm still not scum.
And don't call me sweetcheeks, doll.
Diablous, so I don't end up half a day late like this again, what is the time cap for nights?
Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?
EDIT: Also, that's only one person.Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?
Might not be sure on the second scum, or could be hiding his guess so that the leftover(s) scum wouldn't think he knew/suspected strongly who the other(s) scum were.EDIT: Also, that's only one person.Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?
Hi breadbocks. Didn't realize I was asking you that question. I did notice you didn't answer the one posed to you though.Just pointing out a possibility. It's Friday, which means free time where I live. Also, I can't seem to find your question. Would you mind pointing me to it?
Why, I just thought I'd give you a nice welcoming gift. That and that we need the information you have, in case you get picked off next.... You think I'm just going to be silent until Day end? Get killed? Why, I can't get night killed if I'm scum, like your FoS would suggest. Besides, this is sidestepping the question, whereas I am delaying my answer.
It's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.Okay, that's why I'm scummy. Now how about the other?
Eclipetail has beenIt's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.Okay, that's why I'm scummy. Now how about the other?
Yippee!Eclipetail has beenIt's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.Okay, that's why I'm scummy. Now how about the other?
1)Lurking to an extreme
2)Acting scummy (Opposing extension with out even a meager excuse)
3)Seeing as how Zathras flipped townie, I'm willing to believe him on his advice of scummyness.
Eclipsetail. Zako. I think USEC.I think USEC half-answered.
Now, who else has yet to answer, besides me?
BreadBocks, for reasons of last round.Lol @ this. If ever I saw a newbie scum, this is it. I was hoping for some more information out of him, but given his... other statements... I'll assume that he doesn't plan to say anything else.
Afternoon, all. Sorry about missing two pages. I went asleep about half an hour before night ended. Only got the chance to catch up now. Seems I missed quite a bit.See, I don't really like you either. For this reason:
Broody, I think the reason shibdib was lynched because they couldn't take the chance that a doctor would protect the important scumhunter, so they killed a town-sider who was of no notice whose vote could hammer a scum.
Zako, see above. The town mistakenly lynched a townie with a lust for my blood, and the scum took advantage of the confusion.
Webadict, welcome to the game!
USEC, going back a page to where you questioned Broody about why he didn't check for eclipse's vote, I think he was aware, which was why he thought he'd regret the vote.
Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.
Eclipse, why are you lurking? Major Middle Finger of Suspicion here.
Diablous, so I don't end up half a day late like this again, what is the time cap for nights?
Ah. Well, As I said earlier, eclipse is seeming scummy, but I could identify with noob syndrome. As for main picks, still need to choose between eclipse and you, webadict for most scummy. Welcome to the game, indeed.
See, it's this reasoning that gets you third on my list. You're RIGHT, but you're only half-right, which is how (better) scum tend to operate. You'd have to be bussing your own partner, but you're focusing too much on actual scum to find a fake person to incriminate, so you just throw out the guy who's pressuring you with whatever reason you can possibly make up.Eclipetail has beenIt's the fact you have yet to give any hint as to what you know that seems to me as scummy.Okay, that's why I'm scummy. Now how about the other?
1)Lurking to an extreme
2)Acting scummy (Opposing extension with out even a meager excuse)
3)Seeing as how Zathras flipped townie, I'm willing to believe him on his advice of scummyness.
Just realized that I misread the post. Breadbock was still going to be lynched at that time. Sorry everybody.See, I was really hoping you'd have two suspects. You'd better start finding things about people, because you can't just sit back. You need to participate more in this game. Like, NOW. Because I saw lots of posts Yesterday, and you're not going to just sit there and let posts rain in without making some of them.
Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.
Nobody else seems to leap out at me with scumminess at the moment, give me till tomorrow and I'll find something about everyone else.
I like you. Very creative answer. Wrong on a lot of points, but still, nice answer. Yeah, eclipsetail is more than likely scum and breadbocks is a good third choice, but why Zako or me and not scatteredbrain?Now, who else has yet to answer, besides me?
I'd like to try and make a more concise list, thank you very much. List most scummy to least.
Eclipsetail : for obvious reasons; Lurking, Bandwagoning previous day, Opposing day extension, lack of explanations, generally all around scummy attitude.
breadbocks: same reasons as before. His posts are light, and while not nearly as bad as Eclipsetail's, he seems to leave a lot of room for wiggling. He also tends to vote first and explain later.
Zako: Support the lynch of Zathras and was the one who really drove the point home. I have doubts about his townie-hood. Seems remorseful about the innocent lynch, but having lead it to spare breadbocks, despite insisting that he thought Zathras was scum, I can't help but wonder if he was saving a scum buddy or just a good draw for town's attentions later.
Webaddict: No offense, you're a good player. You're making folks jump through hoops, which could be your veteran way of teaching/hazing/humoring us. If you were scum you'd tear us apart. You've taken over for a player who hadn't posted a single thing- damning or otherwise. I have no reason to really trust you, which is why I have every reason thus far to suspect you. Points, however, for trying to draw people into the game for your parlor scene.
I have some reservations about the rest, but these are the top four suspects- and the top two being who I see as scum team at the moment (or at least highest on the terrorist watch list).
I'll likely regret this, but I have to go with my gut:He basically lynched Zathras by himself. I wouldn't mind that if he wasn't a man and stuck by it, but he just lost a whole ton of points in that one line.
unvote
Zathras, I sincerely hope I am not wrong about this.
For the record, before the day ends, I agree with you on eclipsetail. If I do hang, when I flip town, go after him even above breadbox. He bandwagoned on both of us, and seems happy to see anyone hang. If this is the case, the other one is probably Zako, since went after me safely knowing that breadbox is a townie because he knows who the scum is, and made no attempt whatsoever of going after eclipse.Oh right, it's the list of that guy who you lynched, with a little twist at the end. Well, almost. The breadbocks thing isn't his, but breadbocks was the person you were voting previously.
Sorry, uni demanded my time again and I was on a train most of the day.This guy... This guy.
Welcome to the game Webby! Glad to see Spartan replaced, but being all mysterious isn't really helping. Tell us what you think.
As for who I think is scum, here's what I think right now, in decending order of scummitude:
Eclipsetail, you haven't told us your reasons for any of your actions. You basically said for every explaination, 'Wut he sed.' repeatedly throughout the game. We want your PERSONAL opinion about scum, not someone elses. Talk to us man, don't be afraid to say your thing! Fear is for scum!
I have an odd feeling about scatterbrain right now. Call it a gut feeling, but I want to know what he thinks of breadbocks' statements and the overall town position.
USEC, Broody, Breadbocks and Webadict I don't think are scum right now. USEC gives off town tells to me, Broody looks and sounds towny, Breadbocks is an idiot for voting himself and I have no idea about you Webby.
So, tell me gentlemen:
Webadict, who do YOU think are scum, and why? Don't hide behind your superior thinking. Tell us townies your opinion, it may not be necessarily correct after all.
Scatterbrain, why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!
Quotewebadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?QuoteWhy, that's too easy. I'd rather that you tell me who they are.
Scatterbrain - You... I can't decide, quite honestly. At some points, you actually seem exemplary as town. You make a couple Wall of Texts, which is a good thing, but my problem is that you're lurking and that you've only had one real focus the entire game: eclipsetail. Which would be easy to do if you were scum, as you could put minimal pressure on him while knowing he's scum, and hence making your argument look pretty real, while on the side not having to participate with the actual lynches.
I have an odd feeling about scatterbrain right now. Call it a gut feeling, but I want to know what he thinks of breadbocks' statements and the overall town position.
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Scatterbrain, why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!
so i see that there's some concerns about me out there, namely, from webby and zako; the long and short of it seems to be that i'm being a bit lurky. i've already said that, because i'm in Scotland and (it looks like) the rest of you are in the US, i'm posting at different times to the rest of you - so i can't join in any running conversation as they happen, and i'm pretty much limited to singular posts such as this. thus, it's pretty inevitable that my volume of posts is gonna be below everyone else's. i've tried my best to make them meaty, informative and helpful; that's all i can do, and if it's not enough, well, sod all i can do about it really. please don't make me have to bring this up again - this is already the 3rd time i've had to explain.Ah, so that's why you have spurts. Understandable, but that is still an excuse.
But nothing. I told you that I planned to answer the question when I get to it, and that's after everyone else has posted. It works a lot, too, as I become a target if I don't answer after everyone else, now don't I? So, it's really NOT a way to avoid the question. It's a way to make more posts.QuoteQuotewebadict, you've been saying, from spectator, that you've had the two mafiosos pinned down for a while now. care to tell us who you suspect (if you weren't just kidding back then :p)? any other thoughts on the game thus far?QuoteWhy, that's too easy. I'd rather that you tell me who they are.
so before i get to round to dealing with the rest of your concerns, let me say that ducking a question isn't exactly a confidence-inspiring way to open your game. don't play games buddy, we've already lost two townies. at least it looks like you got down to rounding people up after this, but still.
Okay, then why don't you bring them into the game. I managed to get everyone to post; why can't you? If you're going after lurkers, then WHY ARE YOU NOT TRYING TO GET THEM TO NOT LURK? It's makes you look scummy by doing that, as it's an easy target. If you want to help the town, BRING THEM INTO THE GAME! Go and ask them questions. Like,QuoteScatterbrain - You... I can't decide, quite honestly. At some points, you actually seem exemplary as town. You make a couple Wall of Texts, which is a good thing, but my problem is that you're lurking and that you've only had one real focus the entire game: eclipsetail. Which would be easy to do if you were scum, as you could put minimal pressure on him while knowing he's scum, and hence making your argument look pretty real, while on the side not having to participate with the actual lynches.
wrong on both counts. for lurking, see above; and that i've only been focussing on eclipsetail is totally incorrect. obviously, he's been the guy i've constantly voted for (apart from when i wanted to see breadbocks lynched last round, so i changed to him <and please, go and read up on that properly, as i've already given me reasons for doing so>), but what the group of people that i have been most suspicious of all the time have been the lurkers (breadbocks aside, who is lurking less than he was, yet i remain suspicious of - i'll come back to him later). it feels like i keep pointing out over and over how dangerous they are, and how they keep getting away with slipping into the background while the active people argue over those who actually are active. we'll see how much that changes this round, given how spartan and shibdib, the two main culprits, have now gone, but if there are lurkers out there then they're as dangerous as ever.
also, if you want a specific example of a person i've examined, see my analysis of zathras in the post where i vote breadbocks; and my litle piece thereafter about lurkers.Don't you dare. Not voting on your gut has cost so many games it's not even funny. That aside, you're being incredibly passive. The more and more you post, the more scummy you seem. I mean, you're not going after anyone but the bandwagon, you're being passive about people that "could be scum maybe," and you're deflecting.I have an odd feeling about scatterbrain right now. Call it a gut feeling, but I want to know what he thinks of breadbocks' statements and the overall town position.
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Scatterbrain, why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!
reading between the lines, your concerns are similar to those of webadict. hopefully i've already answered some of them, but if you have anything specific, do ask. also, try to add some reasons for this gut feeling - because voting on just a gut feeling, as we've seen, hasn't been the most reliable of methods in this game so far. and not giving a reason for doing so is... well, i guess i could put it down to giving me bit of a poke to get me to address some issues (hopefully, it worked!), but that strikes me as more of a day 1 sort of gambit. i'm not saying that it is scummy, but i AM saying that i noticed that it could be scummy.
what do i think of breabocks' statements? in general? well, i said at the beginning of today that i would go back over his posts and try to present the scumtells, lest people should not take him as a serious scumthreat anymore, but it seems that webadict has done that little job for me. hopefully i'll take a look anyway, and see if there was anything that was missed.I didn't do anyone's job for anything. Do your own investigation, because if you're Town, then you should probably assume I'm lying and find your own information, either to match my own, find your own conclusions, or to support someone else's conclusion in your mind. This game isn't about having other people do things for you. That usually ends up with a scum win.
the position of town? a few factors come into this, the biggest being the arrival of webadict. if he's town, then we've gained a valuable and experienced townie who knows his stuff and has dedication to the game. if he's scum... we are most likely boned :p which is why i'm being careful of him right now. it looks as if he's doing some good work, but caution needs to be exercised methinks. others, less weighty factors are the facts that two townies are now dead (bad), a the mistake was made to lynch a townie in the first place (even worse), two of the most prolific lurkers are now gone (good!) and that there are still some lurky people out there, namely eclipsetail (also bad). so, on the whole, we're worse off than we were last time, if we don't take into consideration the arrival of webadict (which could be very, very good or horrificly bad, depending).One, DON'T EDIT YOUR POSTS! There's a preview button for a reason. If you hit post on accident, quote the post and fix the errors. Editing is THE WORST!
amma take a break before my next post, which will hopefully be driven a bit more by my own initiative than this one is/was.
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To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.
Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/It doesn't. First post, used to generate conversation. No point in making a truly random vote, and I'm interested on how people react to my arbitrary vote. With the mild understanding of thought process I have, I could in theory get a lead on scum. That could be my strategy, or I could be covering the possible scum position I may or may not have by voting for myself leading people to think I'm a Joker type position, or I could be a bored town role/townie. Take that as you will, I'm in this to win, be I a town-sider, a Scum-sider, or a third party.
There are no jokers in this game. There are also no third parties in this game.
Just... FYI.
Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the [ur=http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambitl]BBB gambit[/url]. Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.
Perhaps you could look at the title of the thread. I'd try it, because I mean, well, take a look:QuoteIn recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?
Who knows what would happen. Then it would be advisable to use as a Joker. Also, it would be hard to rate based on one useage. Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.
unvote breadbocksSo, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.
Ah well. I had fun. I suppose saying I'm a townie won't help. C'est La Vie as they say in Frenchland.
I submit to lynching. I had fun screwing around with my, and other, minds.
Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.
Day end.
Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.
Secondly:Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.
I suppose I deserve that for just asking and not being more clear; Why is he the scummiest Player? What makes him more scummy than you, who is very nearly on the verge of being lynched?
Please elaborate.
First, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
:-\QuoteFourth:THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.
What strikes me most about your posts is that you seem more blood thirsty than anything. I think its rather obvious he'll be lynched, but you seem to feel uncomfortable with the fact that people are starting to question lynching him at all, even if it is just to explore posts previously made.
I still feel very suspicious of him, but I don't think lynching him and ending the day helps anything except scum getting their night kill. We're not going to magically forget about him if we start to look at other possibilities.
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.
Also, good to know you at least had an excuse for being MIA.
First, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
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THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.
Okay, then why don't you bring them into the game. I managed to get everyone to post; why can't you? If you're going after lurkers, then WHY ARE YOU NOT TRYING TO GET THEM TO NOT LURK? It's makes you look scummy by doing that, as it's an easy target. If you want to help the town, BRING THEM INTO THE GAME! Go and ask them questions. Like,
"HEY USEC! WHY WON'T YOU POST SOME ACTUAL SUSPICIONS?"
Or something. Dude, don't complain and then do nothing about it.
Don't you dare. Not voting on your gut has cost so many games it's not even funny. That aside, you're being incredibly passive. The more and more you post, the more scummy you seem. I mean, you're not going after anyone but the bandwagon, you're being passive about people that "could be scum maybe," and you're deflecting.
I didn't do anyone's job for anything. Do your own investigation, because if you're Town, then you should probably assume I'm lying and find your own information, either to match my own, find your own conclusions, or to support someone else's conclusion in your mind. This game isn't about having other people do things for you. That usually ends up with a scum win.
One, DON'T EDIT YOUR POSTS! There's a preview button for a reason. If you hit post on accident, quote the post and fix the errors. Editing is THE WORST!
Two, we're in a FINE SPOT! We're not in lylo today, so the game doesn't depend on this lynch. We've got a LOT of information from yesterday to use, because we know that Zathras and ribdib are Town, and therefore we know that everything they said was an attempt to help the Town.
<note; webadict has made a post directed at me since my last one, but i'm going to go ahead and make the post i had planned to make anyway. see next post for stuff relating to that>I saw this post, was about to reply to it, and then I realized, "Why the heck do I care?"
here begins the compilation of all of the scumtells that breadbocks has dropped, for purposes already explained, and that are explained again as the post ends.
let us begin, naturally, from the beginning.
huh? i've called out lurkers several times now - like pestering shibdib for most of day 1, or prodding USEC when he got a bit quieter than normal, or basically saying that i would do my best to get spartan lynched by the end of today if he didn't appear. and there are other ways to make 'em sweat without directing questions at them; like calling them tantamount to scum. which i have - absolutely loads.Okay, but saying you'll lynch them if they don't show up... makes it so you look like you're going after easy targets. Like the lurkers you're going after. If they're not here to respond to that, then you lynch them. If you lynch them and they're town, you look like a failure. The only possible win here is if you somehow manage to lynch a lurker scum. Very seldom does that occur, and that just due to pure odds. You're better off daykilling someone random on the first Day.
firstly; i don't have that much experience of other mafia games, so i don't know how much going on your gut does or does not work - what little evidence (broody's switching of votes) suggests it doesn't. it didn't seem like such a bad conclusion to come to. secondly; passive? going only for the bandwagon? deflecting? not sure where exactly you're getting 'passive' from, other than the effect of being on at different times (not gonna go into that AGAIN, rargh); going only for the bandwagon i very much disagree with, for practically the whole of day one i was voting for a guy that wasn't a bandwagon; and deflecting... i'm not sure in what manner you mean this, could you please clarify?Okay, then I'm going to lay it straight: Broody had TWO CHOICES. Literally. Lynch Town or lynch Town. Personally, he took the worse of the two choices and killed the main contributor. That's totally different, because that was a lose-lose choice. That's like playing Three-Card Monte. Your gut can't be right when none of the choices are.
and that is a very aggressive disagreement on an opinion which, i think you'll find, i've reasoned out rather well. not saying that the point you're raising is unreasonable, but rather than simply point it out you pretty much just went into attack mode. why the overreaction?It wasn't an overreaction so much as to make sure everyone didn't freak out and make rash decisions. However, the longer we stall, the longer we can second-guess ourselves, the longer the scum can leave in little WIFOMs. Like that little snippet questioning my towniness.
on the whole, sounds like you're putting me in a bad light without giving my posts all that much consideration; if it's scumhunting, then it's uninformed, poor scumhunting. i would've expected something more... professional, i guess, from a player of your experience, when (if?) playing town. you're making yourself pretty suspicious man.
My one dead post...... So... does this occur frequently? Have you tried spelling his name correctly?
funny how the one game I play in where I dont have some 16 year old super detective accusing me of being scum because I spelt his name wrong (replace with any stupid reason) I get night killed the first day...
Okay, but saying you'll lynch them if they don't show up... makes it so you look like you're going after easy targets. Like the lurkers you're going after. If they're not here to respond to that, then you lynch them. If you lynch them and they're town, you look like a failure. The only possible win here is if you somehow manage to lynch a lurker scum. Very seldom does that occur, and that just due to pure odds. You're better off daykilling someone random on the first Day.Quote
so you're saying that lurkers, when lynched, turn out to very rarely to be scum? if that were true, then scum wouldn't lurk. which, laregely, they do - so i dispute this.
the reason i'm hounding lurkers is that A) they're hugely dangerous to town; whether active of not, they're a liability, and B), while most people in day one were (rightly so) having a bit of a go at other people, it was mostly being focussed on the people who were already active. i was (still am) being careful not to lose sight of the big picture, when i believe the real danger comes from lurkers.
(replies for this bit in green)QuoteOkay, then I'm going to lay it straight: Broody had TWO CHOICES. Literally. Lynch Town or lynch Town. Personally, he took the worse of the two choices and killed the main contributor. That's totally different, because that was a lose-lose choice. That's like playing Three-Card Monte. Your gut can't be right when none of the choices are.
so you're impying that breadbocks is town. as you can probably see from my above post, i find it hard to believe that anyone could arrive at this conclusion; wasn't there anything in there that, at least, made you think twice?
Passive: You're being passive by saying that something "might" be scummy, instead of wholeheartedly feeling it. Scum KNOW that everyone else isn't scum, so they can't FEEL someone is scum. They can get pretty darn close, but they definitely won't feel it.
i think i've made it abundantly clear, for all of the time in the game that i've actually been able to form an opinion on such matters, that breadbocks and eclipsetail were my number one scumchoices, followed closely by spartan and shibdib for their lurkiness. so anything else - the only instance that immediately comes to mind is with zathras - is basically just me reasoning out what is/is not scummy about that person. i don't think i've ever cried 'scum' on anyone but the aforemention suspects; but i have been keeping tabs on them, and letting them know about it whilst seeing if anything more can be dug from them in the process. the more you know...
Bandwagoning: Eclipsetail counts as a bandwagon, because from there on out, he was being scum and EVERYONE AGREED! So, voting for him is safe no matter what.
1) well yeah, everyone agrees that eclipsetail is scum. but he has made it pretty obvious, hasn't he? and 2) i made my own, independent post explaining why, on day 1, my initial vote went to eclipsetail. the vote was made without regard to where anyone else was voting. my closing vote of the day was made WITH regard to where everyone else was voting - but only because i had every reason to suspect that one guy was scum, very little reason to suspect the other guy (something else i dissected on my own initiative) and EVERY reason for trying to avoid a nolynch.
Deflecting: Instead of answering the problems, you're trying to say that the reason for voting for you would be invalid. That doesn't solve the main problem that they HAVE A GUT FEELING ON YOU TO BEGIN WITH! Maybe ask why they have that gut feeling. It'll boil down to something you said.
gee. i thought it was pretty safe to say that my answers had been pretty comprehensive and, as far as my rambling style of writing allows, to the point. and i already did ask zako to explain more about his gut feeling. speaking of which; zako, reminding you to explain about your gut feeling some more dude.QuoteIt wasn't an overreaction so much as to make sure everyone didn't freak out and make rash decisions. However, the longer we stall, the longer we can second-guess ourselves, the longer the scum can leave in little WIFOMs. Like that little snippet questioning my towniness.
Maybe you think it's poor, but you've also got to see that today is important, and that I would rather drag out as much information from you and everyone else as I can than die next Night without accomplishing anything. Heck, even if I'm lynched, this is better than trying to live. Think of me as suspicious, that's part of the game, but if you're going to say someone's scum, you've got to really believe it, or you won't have any attack at all. Like building a giant WoT you built on breadbocks. That's GOOD! The bad part was when the twist ending turned out to be that it was a build-up to vote someone else entirely. At least vote for the person you're building evidence for, or put it into a different post.
but there ARE people who i believe are scum; you're just not seeing me saying so, and saying why i think so. all of that seems to have escaped your notice. i'll agree that, for so far in day 2, my calling out of eclipsetail has actually been implied, and not made actual and explicit - but i've had to attend to other matters first, and the implication, i felt, was more than strong enough to provoke a reaction anyway. as for evidence for him - for all of the evidence that there is on eclipsetail in the first place, i might as well just copy and paste my post about him from day one; with his, what, one extra post added in.
to conclude: i'm not really sure about you webadict. this looks like scumhunting, and i'll buy that sometimes you need to be scrappy just for the sake of having a go... but that's all i really have to go on for now. that, and some 'hey guys post some more' posts over the last few pages. it's alright, but nothing really substantial, and nothing that makes me feel safe about you yet.
...you see? i'm now saying you're really really definately scum. but then, why should i, when for the time being i don't think you are? and why would you imply that thinking that is a bad thing?
Nice dissection of breadbocks. Worthy of mad science. I'm still don't think your town, but you have raised yourself in my opinion.First off, somehow, people keep thinking I made the vote on me at the beginning was a gambit. As I have said so, so, so many times, it was to make conversation. There was not a single game post before that. No wine, no hidden agenda. Just an icebreaker. I had all intentions on voting for someone once I had a reason to, but there was nothing yet.
Breadbocks, what do you think about all the dirt that scatter just dug up on you? How do you defend yourself from that?
Eclipsetail, why aren't you saying something?! SAY SOMETHING! PROVE THAT YOU LIVE!!!
ugh, forgot to preview post... what the hell, figure it out yourselves :pO RLY?
I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things.
Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?
USEC_OFFICER - Everything you post isn't really anything that is helpful. You were doing well on Day 1, but you've gotten a lacklusterful Day 2 start. Heck, I'm no longer sure if I can put you above BroodyMoods with what he did, but I kinda have to, just because of you really don't have anything to contribute. You're just bandwagoning on eclipsetail here, and I pointed out a flaw in your argument which you have yet to respond to, but I'm still open to see more from you.
Here's a list of people, from scummy, to least scummy:
eclipsetail
Scatterbrain
USEC_OFFICER
TheBroodyMoods
breadbocks
Zako
Webadict
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Eclipsetail, what made you oppose extention without posting a reason? And why did you not post for two whole days before that?
I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.
What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!
Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.Well, I don't want people to bandwagon behind me in case I'm wrong. It's unlikely that I'm wrong, but I don't want to have to dig through sheep-followers after I say who it is I think is scum. After I have some answers (You need one too, pal), I'll divulge my secrets.
And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.
Incase Webaddict didn't see it:Doesn't mean you can't post what you can.I usually (99% of the time.) get on at 3:30 Eastern standard time (GMT -5), do my posting for about half an hour to an hour, and then move on to other things.
And before you ask, that is the only time I can spend on the Internet.
... Yes!Eclipsetail would be my vote for one of the scum. He's barely posted, lurked, and never seems to even try to explain his actions. I'll bet he'll bandwagon on whoever Webaddict votes for.If I voted for scum, and he was scum, why would he bandwagon on my target? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now does it?
I assume you already know the answer.Spoiler: If, for some reason you don't (click to show/hide)USEC_OFFICER - Everything you post isn't really anything that is helpful. You were doing well on Day 1, but you've gotten a lacklusterful Day 2 start. Heck, I'm no longer sure if I can put you above BroodyMoods with what he did, but I kinda have to, just because of you really don't have anything to contribute. You're just bandwagoning on eclipsetail here, and I pointed out a flaw in your argument which you have yet to respond to, but I'm still open to see more from you.
Can I first say, I'm doing way better than my second game.
Right, now with that out of the way...
So, being the fourth person to say that eclipsetail is scummy is bandwagoning, but being the last person to say it isn't?
I know, right?! I mean, definitely bandwagoning because I...Here's a list of people, from scummy, to least scummy:
eclipsetail
Scatterbrain
USEC_OFFICER
TheBroodyMoods
breadbocks
Zako
Webadict
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Because seeing that you placed him at the top of your list, after everybody else has posted, looks like bandwagoning.
I assume that your answer will involve saying that you always suspected him, or that he really should be lynched. Well, what prevents me from sayin the same thing? If I think eclipsetail is the scummiest and should be lynched, then I should be able to say that, no matter what people have said before me!
I'll try to contribute more (doubt you'll like it much.)I had the same thought, which is why I can't waste a lynch on you right now.
Now, for my list of scummy players, which I promised everybody I would post today:
Eclipse: I posted my reasons before, but I'll also add that he has not been answering any questions directed at him. (Like one I asked you)Eclipsetail, what made you oppose extention without posting a reason? And why did you not post for two whole days before that?
Even if Eclipse is town, with the way he's been acting, it would hurt the town to keep him alive to day three, unless we manage to lynch one of the scum today, then he would be dangerous on day four. Eclipse looks (and has been acting like) a person that the scum could easily manipulate. As long as the scum can keep him voting on the same person, they have the game in the bag.
Breadbocks would be my next choice for the second most scummiest. He's been acting like an idiot, but I'm not 100% percent sure that he's only a noob or a noob who happens to be scum. If Eclipse happens to be scum, then I doubt Breadbocks would be his scum partner (And the otherway around), seeing as Shibdib was nightkilled. If they were scum together, I would imagine that either Zako or BroodyMoods would have been nightkilled instead (As it seems more like a noobish NK than Shibdib, which I would assoiate with their characters.)... The bottom part... strikes you as scummy? How on Earth does that make any sense? What seems out of place in there?
Webaddict, you be my third choice for most scummiest. There are two reasons why I placed you third on my list.
First, Spartan's response to Zathras on page seven (You can't miss it, it's the only one he posted:)I'm not lurking, and I've been picking up tells.
What exactly are you trying to pull here Zathras? I know you're up to something!
He says he's not lurking, but picking up scumtells, which sends warning signals to me as a terrible response, one that should have looked to him as a terrible response too. Of course, you can't account for Spartan's responses, so my second reason is this:Scatterbrain, I would say webadict could be hesitant to answer because of him getting Spartan's scum roll, but then why would Spartan have left if he'd gotten a scum roll? If I had to take a shot at why he left, it would be because he got townie, so left out of disappointment.Well, I don't want people to bandwagon behind me in case I'm wrong. It's unlikely that I'm wrong, but I don't want to have to dig through sheep-followers after I say who it is I think is scum. After I have some answers (You need one too, pal), I'll divulge my secrets.
And, unfortunately, I am not scum. I told Vector to make a scum drop out, but she just wouldn't allow for such. Perhaps next time, I can school some newbies, but not this time.
Ther bottom part of the post caught my eye. Seems out of place to me. Strikes me as scummy. So I'm going with my gut and placing you at third.
BroodyMoods, Zako and Scatterbrain have not really drawn my attention in any way, though I would not rule out the possiblity of the scum being any of them.
Now if you exuse me, I'm done typing for an hour and thirty minutes, and shall instead play majesty.
... Yes!
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP%27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia
LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.
[snip]QuoteOkay, then I'm going to lay it straight: Broody had TWO CHOICES. Literally. Lynch Town or lynch Town. Personally, he took the worse of the two choices and killed the main contributor. That's totally different, because that was a lose-lose choice. That's like playing Three-Card Monte. Your gut can't be right when none of the choices are.
so you're impying that breadbocks is town. as you can probably see from my above post, i find it hard to believe that anyone could arrive at this conclusion; wasn't there anything in there that, at least, made you think twice?[snip]
LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.
It doesn't work if the person knows about it. But, nice try. Look at number 6, ya idiot.... Yes!
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP%27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia
LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.
SO, time for some asskicking (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HoistByHisOwnPetard).
On that same link you gave us, it also states if one says without an "if" someone is a townie, which was pointed out by Scatter.[snip]QuoteOkay, then I'm going to lay it straight: Broody had TWO CHOICES. Literally. Lynch Town or lynch Town. Personally, he took the worse of the two choices and killed the main contributor. That's totally different, because that was a lose-lose choice. That's like playing Three-Card Monte. Your gut can't be right when none of the choices are.
so you're impying that breadbocks is town. as you can probably see from my above post, i find it hard to believe that anyone could arrive at this conclusion; wasn't there anything in there that, at least, made you think twice?[snip]LOL PWNED, ya jerkface.
I like you. Very creative answer. Wrong on a lot of points, but still, nice answer. Yeah, eclipsetail is more than likely scum and breadbocks is a good third choice, but why Zako or me and not scatteredbrain?Now, who else has yet to answer, besides me?
I'd like to try and make a more concise list, thank you very much. List most scummy to least.
Eclipsetail : for obvious reasons; Lurking, Bandwagoning previous day, Opposing day extension, lack of explanations, generally all around scummy attitude.
breadbocks: same reasons as before. His posts are light, and while not nearly as bad as Eclipsetail's, he seems to leave a lot of room for wiggling. He also tends to vote first and explain later.
Zako: Support the lynch of Zathras and was the one who really drove the point home. I have doubts about his townie-hood. Seems remorseful about the innocent lynch, but having lead it to spare breadbocks, despite insisting that he thought Zathras was scum, I can't help but wonder if he was saving a scum buddy or just a good draw for town's attentions later.
Webaddict: No offense, you're a good player. You're making folks jump through hoops, which could be your veteran way of teaching/hazing/humoring us. If you were scum you'd tear us apart. You've taken over for a player who hadn't posted a single thing- damning or otherwise. I have no reason to really trust you, which is why I have every reason thus far to suspect you. Points, however, for trying to draw people into the game for your parlor scene.
I have some reservations about the rest, but these are the top four suspects- and the top two being who I see as scum team at the moment (or at least highest on the terrorist watch list).
Problem is, you're not looking at everyone. You're looking at only the people that are talking, which doesn't include scatteredbrain, who is lurking hardcore. It's just a short-sightedness I'd like to make sure you correct. And, just so you know that this is more of an IC comment and not one to deflect away from myself, it's okay to be suspicious of the talking people. It's just not okay to NOT be suspicious of the quiet ones.
EDIT: You're also DEAD WRONG ON THE ZATHRAS LYNCH. See, YOU were the one that lynched Zathras, and pinning the blame on someone else? That's just downright scumtacular of you. See, I didn't notice that until I went searching, but that's exactly what you did. YOU lynched him. Zako threw out evidence on him. Just for that, I had to boost you up on my list, you lying sack of crap.
Just so everyone is aware, here's his post:I'll likely regret this, but I have to go with my gut:He basically lynched Zathras by himself. I wouldn't mind that if he wasn't a man and stuck by it, but he just lost a whole ton of points in that one line.
unvote
Zathras, I sincerely hope I am not wrong about this.
DOUBLE EDIT: Also, your scumlist looks a little familiar...For the record, before the day ends, I agree with you on eclipsetail. If I do hang, when I flip town, go after him even above breadbox. He bandwagoned on both of us, and seems happy to see anyone hang. If this is the case, the other one is probably Zako, since went after me safely knowing that breadbox is a townie because he knows who the scum is, and made no attempt whatsoever of going after eclipse.Oh right, it's the list of that guy who you lynched, with a little twist at the end. Well, almost. The breadbocks thing isn't his, but breadbocks was the person you were voting previously.
The reason I ultimately switched my vote was a gut feeling (shows me right). As I said previously I thought there was some sort of common thread between Eclipsetail and Zathras, both of them opposing the day extension and all. The way Eclipsetail was acting was just making me very nervous. I didn't know if he was voting his scum buddy so if he flipped it would look good for him or what. Whatever the case in retrospect my reasoning doesn't seem nearly as sound. I was hoping to elicit a response out of him. My initial thought was to switch my vote to spartan and make a three way tie- I figured that would force people (scum) to make their move by highlighting three potential candidates (of whom all were suspicious in some aspect or another).
However, I switched my vote and I couldn't make an adequate reason to switch it again with the lynch so close- even though Zathras' last posts made me want to switch. My bad. I just ground my teeth and bore it. But in all fairness I would suspect me as well, given your position.
If anyone has anything else to say, say it now. I've... I dunno, I ran out of things to say, plus boosted the number of responses and activity by a ton.
so you're impying that breadbocks is town. as you can probably see from my above post, i find it hard to believe that anyone could arrive at this conclusion; wasn't there anything in there that, at least, made you think twice?He is more likely town. I'm more biased on the fact that I tried the same thing in another game (Although with much different circumstances), but his reasoning to begin with was terribad, but then it seemed legitimate near the end.
i think i've made it abundantly clear, for all of the time in the game that i've actually been able to form an opinion on such matters, that breadbocks and eclipsetail were my number one scumchoices, followed closely by spartan and shibdib for their lurkiness. so anything else - the only instance that immediately comes to mind is with zathras - is basically just me reasoning out what is/is not scummy about that person. i don't think i've ever cried 'scum' on anyone but the aforemention suspects; but i have been keeping tabs on them, and letting them know about it whilst seeing if anything more can be dug from them in the process. the more you know...Right, but the scum KNOW that the people they're after aren't scum, hence they have reservations about calling people scum, either because they don't feel so or because they're afraid it'll attract attention.
1) well yeah, everyone agrees that eclipsetail is scum. but he has made it pretty obvious, hasn't he? and 2) i made my own, independent post explaining why, on day 1, my initial vote went to eclipsetail. the vote was made without regard to where anyone else was voting. my closing vote of the day was made WITH regard to where everyone else was voting - but only because i had every reason to suspect that one guy was scum, very little reason to suspect the other guy (something else i dissected on my own initiative) and EVERY reason for trying to avoid a nolynch.Mkay.
to conclude: i'm not really sure about you webadict. this looks like scumhunting, and i'll buy that sometimes you need to be scrappy just for the sake of having a go... but that's all i really have to go on for now. that, and some 'hey guys post some more' posts over the last few pages. it's alright, but nothing really substantial, and nothing that makes me feel safe about you yet.I'm just saying that you need to be sure of yourself, or you may end up second-guessing yourself until the end.
...you see? i'm now saying you're really really definately scum. but then, why should i, when for the time being i don't think you are? and why would you imply that thinking that is a bad thing?
Nice dissection of breadbocks. Worthy of mad science. I'm still don't think your town, but you have raised yourself in my opinion.First off, somehow, people keep thinking I made the vote on me at the beginning was a gambit. As I have said so, so, so many times, it was to make conversation. There was not a single game post before that. No wine, no hidden agenda. Just an icebreaker. I had all intentions on voting for someone once I had a reason to, but there was nothing yet.
Breadbocks, what do you think about all the dirt that scatter just dug up on you? How do you defend yourself from that?
Eclipsetail, why aren't you saying something?! SAY SOMETHING! PROVE THAT YOU LIVE!!!
Next, in the second example you gave, there was no wifom that I could see. Just me pointing out various possibilities on what I could be.
For the third example, I was stating that it would be interesting to see the crew of a beginner game deliberate whether a self-admitted scum was Joker or scum. Same deal with the fourth example. Me discussing the merits or lack thereof of the BBB gambit. Also in the fourth example, you misread the post. I didn't say no one would suspect me, just a BBB gambit.
Fifth example. Why else would anyone want to play, if not for fun and challenge. I want to win, but I want to have fun more. And I specified straight scumhunting, not my own brand of it.
Sixth example, well what would I ask? "Sparten, are you scum? Durrrrr"
Seventh & Eighth example: What would you have done in my position? It was seeming like I was going to be lynched, and defending myself only seemed to condemn myself further, so why not speed things up?
Ninth, I did do digging. He was striking me as suspicious, so I voted for him.
Tenth, see eight.
Eleventh example is just you restating what has been said. So I'll restate what I said. IT WAS THE FIRST POST OF THE DAMN GAME. Where the hell would I stash a gambit in that, and who the hell would I have been pulling a gambit on?ugh, forgot to preview post... what the hell, figure it out yourselves :pO RLY?
Also, good afternoon all.
while i'm on the subject, a word to diablous; has eclipsetail been poked yet? have you had any sort of indication (that you can share with us) that he is alive? how close is he, at this point, to being replaced?
I just prodded him. Told him his level of activity isn't really acceptable, and he needs to be more active, or he'll wind up replaced. He's been on about everyday, and I've seen him post in other threads.This tends to happen when they're scum.
Surprising number of people who find they hate this after they try, huh?Apparently. It's like they hate psychological battles and would rather play FPS instead.
For me, it's more of a waiting thing. I like RTS's. But yeah, you have to fit in a niche to like this.Surprising number of people who find they hate this after they try, huh?Apparently. It's like they hate psychological battles and would rather play FPS instead.
By the way, answer my questions bread.Hmm? Dig back a page Oh. Well...
Also, can I get a modkill and spoilspec, so I can leave?
Also, can I get a modkill and spoilspec, so I can leave?
EDIT: Diablous, if you need a replace then Aklyon has been looking for a BM.
It has the word WORK in it. Also, the word KATEWORM.By the way, answer my questions bread.Hmm? Dig back a page Oh. Well...
First question: The part I don't understand is why TEAMWORK doesn't have an "F", a "U", or an "N" in it.
Next question: Fine.Spartanwebadict, are you scum, DRRRR?
Summery of the rest of it: I don't like the game. It is a huge timesink, it is confusing, and at this point, I don't really care about it.
I'm fine with a replace. And the reason I want a spoilspec is so I know who the hell is scum. And if there are any roles.Also, can I get a modkill and spoilspec, so I can leave?
I suggest you request a replacement. It's the usual thing in these sorts of situations--though why you want a spoilspec when you dislike the game so much is beyond me.
EDIT: Diablous, if you need a replace then Aklyon has been looking for a BM.
I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.
We can end the day and I'll show you.
No because I had assumed that the two people I chose beforehand were scum. Sooo... all of your questions are moot.I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.
We can end the day and I'll show you.
Webaddict, before you joined the game would you have suspect Spartan? Did taking over for him and getting Town surprise you? What assumptions, if any, did that break for you than say having joined in as myself or Zathras (May he rest in peace)?
Sorry, this is just a thought I had I wanted to share before making a mega post to about USEC and Scatterbrain (having fully appraised them).
My vote, however, remains set on Eclipsetail.
No because I had assumed that the two people I chose beforehand were scum. Sooo... all of your questions are moot.I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.
We can end the day and I'll show you.
Webaddict, before you joined the game would you have suspect Spartan? Did taking over for him and getting Town surprise you? What assumptions, if any, did that break for you than say having joined in as myself or Zathras (May he rest in peace)?
Sorry, this is just a thought I had I wanted to share before making a mega post to about USEC and Scatterbrain (having fully appraised them).
My vote, however, remains set on Eclipsetail.
Because I say how he acted in BYOR 4 applied meta-knowledge to this game.No because I had assumed that the two people I chose beforehand were scum. Sooo... all of your questions are moot.I told you who the scum are: eclipsetail and USEC_OFFICER.
We can end the day and I'll show you.
Webaddict, before you joined the game would you have suspect Spartan? Did taking over for him and getting Town surprise you? What assumptions, if any, did that break for you than say having joined in as myself or Zathras (May he rest in peace)?
Sorry, this is just a thought I had I wanted to share before making a mega post to about USEC and Scatterbrain (having fully appraised them).
My vote, however, remains set on Eclipsetail.
Not all of them, but okay: Why didn't you suspect Spartan?
Aklyon - {0} - eclipsetail, Zako
Aklyon - {0} - eclipsetail, Zako
Ah, come on, scum! I would've just left the Town if you gave me a chance to leave alive!You hear a hearty laugh from Limbo.
Today is about conversating. If there aren't any substantial posts, really trying to dig into the meat of this- Town is going to lose. Anyone that doesn't comment within 24hours I would like to get prodded, if you would please Diablous.
Anyone that doesn't comment within 24hours I would like to get prodded, if you would please Diablous.
Woah, what timing, I was about to do just that Scatterbrain.
I am the cop. I investigated Eclipsetail and TheBroodyMoods and both turned up innocent. I honestly thought that Eclipse was the godfather due to him acting so scummy, but I am sure that Broody is actually town and not a godfather.
The reason I voted for Bread/Aklyon is that Scatterbrain made a real good arguement and I wanted to test his claims. Sadly, bread pretty much acted like he usuallly did. Bad town. I don't think that Aklyon is scum.
So that leaves Scatterbrain and USEC. Of course the scum would get rid of Webadict, they know he's a professional mafia player and they want him gone. It also convienetly gets the blame off Scatterbrain.
Why did you try so hard to convince webadict that you are town? Why did you want to live yesterday?
...why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!
Hello guys.
Anyway, I didn't vote yesterday because by the time I got here, the vote was pretty much decided already.
If it hadn't been though, I would've voted for USEC probably.
any other advice for the new guy, IC's?Looking back at previous Days helps, as you know the people that died were Town. It's not necessarily accurate, but it was to help the Town at the time. Also, look at people's interactions with them too.
NOOOOOO! I'm back from vacation now. Please don't replace me!
NOOOOOO! I'm back from vacation now. Please don't replace me!
Crises averted! Seriously dude. Should have told me.
any other advice for the new guy, IC's?
USEC: Webaddict, admittedly fallible, marked you as the other scum. What say you to the charges?
just below you at number three is USEC. he hasn't even been online for the past 7 days, so i don't think that he's lurking with any malicious intent. time to get a replacement if he doesn't answer the poke? and USEC, if you do read this; i'll ask you the same question that zako asked me at the beginning of day 2, as it's pretty relevant here.
Well, USEC hasn't been very active, and looking though the last couple of pages, he hasn't really sounded very convincing to me.
What would you need from me to prove I'm not scum? because while I'm brand-new at this game and somewhat confused after reading 12 pages, I'm not scum.
The reason I voted for Bread/Aklyon is that Scatterbrain made a real good arguement and I wanted to test his claims. Sadly, bread pretty much acted like he usuallly did. Bad town. I don't think that Aklyon is scum.
So that leaves Scatterbrain and USEC. Of course the scum would get rid of Webadict, they know he's a professional mafia player and they want him gone. It also convienetly gets the blame off Scatterbrain.
just below you at number three is USEC. he hasn't even been online for the past 7 days, so i don't think that he's lurking with any malicious intent. time to get a replacement if he doesn't answer the poke? and USEC, if you do read this; i'll ask you the same question that zako asked me at the beginning of day 2, as it's pretty relevant here.
Can you point it out/explain? Because the closest thing I could find was about your opinion on me and Broody.
...why should I believe you are town? You seem to be fading nicely into the background. Step into the spotlight buddy, show your colors!
Scatterbrain, you've spoken your mind pretty clearly. I remain suspicious why you've said nothing about me thus far? You and Webaddict had a long back and forth day 2, you did a lot of convincing to move yourself down his scum list. I imagine ottofar flipping town may have moved you up it. Why are you still convinced that Breadbocks/arkylon are scum? How come, given his history with breadbocks, you still insist UCES is still second scum banana?
Scatterbrain, you've spoken your mind pretty clearly. I remain suspicious why you've said nothing about me thus far? You and Webaddict had a long back and forth day 2, you did a lot of convincing to move yourself down his scum list. I imagine ottofar flipping town may have moved you up it. Why are you still convinced that Breadbocks/arkylon are scum? How come, given his history with breadbocks, you still insist UCES is still second scum banana?
first, i have talked about you. can't remember if it was today or yesterday, but i came to the conclusion that, despite a few misedemeanors, i still think you're townie. i've seen little reason to change that so far today. second, as i've said, i've been convinced that breadbocks is scum from day 1 - ergo, the player taking over his slot is scum, and he's got a pretty gigantic hole to dig himsself out of (speaking of, arkylon, i know it was the weekend and that you have a big ol' thread to read through, but you HAVE been rather quiet. maybe hear something substantial out of you today?). thirdly... did you mean to type USEC there? cos i don't think i'm following - what history are you referring to exactly? because, from what i recall, USEC has always been pretty suspicious of breadbocks. and besides, he's 3rd on my scumlist, not 2nd.
so basically, i'm hoping to soon hear more from usec/aklyon, even with their respective time restrictions (usec's online time, aklyon needing to read through the rest of the thread, whatever). cos we need to talk. alot.
time for bed? yes, i think so...
USEC, What say you to Webaddict's accusation of you? If you're town the best thing you could do now is post and tell us what you know and have observed in the game thus far.
Me and Broody are voting for Zako. (This is the second time you've done this.)
<note; webadict has made a post directed at me since my last one, but i'm going to go ahead and make the post i had planned to make anyway. see next post for stuff relating to that>
here begins the compilation of all of the scumtells that breadbocks has dropped, for purposes already explained, and that are explained again as the post ends.
let us begin, naturally, from the beginning.To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.
where it all began. for now, forget the stories about the 'gambit', and take this by itsself. what motives could he have for doing this? it boils down to two options; 1) innocent stupidity and noobishness, or 2) scum kicking off the game with a goblet of wine that may or may not be situated at the front of my person. at this point - given how it is a newbie game - both are believable. this is without factoring in his 'gambit'.
now, when he's asked to explain his actions...Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/It doesn't. First post, used to generate conversation. No point in making a truly random vote, and I'm interested on how people react to my arbitrary vote. With the mild understanding of thought process I have, I could in theory get a lead on scum. That could be my strategy, or I could be covering the possible scum position I may or may not have by voting for myself leading people to think I'm a Joker type position, or I could be a bored town role/townie. Take that as you will, I'm in this to win, be I a town-sider, a Scum-sider, or a third party.
more noobishness? or more delicious wine? perhaps both? seeing how that's twice now that we have seen some WIFOM, i'm inclined toward the less innocent option, given how scummy WIFOM is at the best of times.There are no jokers in this game. There are also no third parties in this game.
Just... FYI.
Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the [ur=http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambitl]BBB gambit[/url]. Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.
now, why would any townie in there right mind want to confuse the town? especially one who says - and i quote - "I'm in this to win"? if you're in it to win, then why do you want to lead town on what may or may not be a wild goose chase?! now this ISN'T noobish moronity, because he is actually contradicting himsself here. so that's option 1 pretty much eliminated already. he's a noob, but at this point, it's looking like he's a scum-noob, one that has slipped up big-timePerhaps you could look at the title of the thread. I'd try it, because I mean, well, take a look:QuoteIn recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?
why would whether you were being suspected or not be of any concern if you were town? at best, this is just more WIFOM. bad, bad, bad.Who knows what would happen. Then it would be advisable to use as a Joker. Also, it would be hard to rate based on one useage. Either way, I'm in this for the lulz. No way I want to play this straight scumhunting.
now whatever could have possibly happened to being in it to win it; which, if you were, you would be scumhunting, and not generally being a moronic mafioso? see how the scum tries to squirm out of hole he has dug himsself, yet only worms his way further down.
followed very shortly after by...unvote breadbocksSo, TheBroodyMoods, who holds your suspicion?I do believe he was clear about how he thought it was me. I can't believe you would be quite so unobservant, Spartan 117.
looky here. mr in-it-to-win-it is making a vote on someone, at this very early stage in the game, without even trying to dig more dirt on the person. why not ask some questions, anything that even resembles scumhunting? it's far, far better than nothing at all. even without all the other stuff, this would be highly suspicious by itsself.Ah well. I had fun. I suppose saying I'm a townie won't help. C'est La Vie as they say in Frenchland.I submit to lynching. I had fun screwing around with my, and other, minds.
you'd think that, no matter how new a guy is to the game, he wouldn't resign himsself to his fate so quickly and easily if he knew that, in the end, he would flip town. or, if you like your wine in front of you, that's what he wants us to think. either way, hugely, hugely scummy.Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.Day end.
more wine? oh, no thanks, i've already had more than enough. otherwise... this is just cringeworthy.Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.
i thought you'd given up? well, it appears not, and you go and hop on the bandwagon. without doing any of your own digging. again.
i'm surprised that i need to be pointing this out to people at all, really. (which is why i didn't, till he somehow survived day 1).Secondly:Breadbocks: In your opinion who is the scummiest player?Unvote Well, after current events, I'm going to point my finger at Zathrus.
I suppose I deserve that for just asking and not being more clear; Why is he the scummiest Player? What makes him more scummy than you, who is very nearly on the verge of being lynched?
Please elaborate.
First, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
:-\QuoteFourth:THERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(Because my point stands. The worst case is that we don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for breadbocks and my request to shorten the day stand.
What strikes me most about your posts is that you seem more blood thirsty than anything. I think its rather obvious he'll be lynched, but you seem to feel uncomfortable with the fact that people are starting to question lynching him at all, even if it is just to explore posts previously made.
I still feel very suspicious of him, but I don't think lynching him and ending the day helps anything except scum getting their night kill. We're not going to magically forget about him if we start to look at other possibilities.
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.
Also, good to know you at least had an excuse for being MIA.
wow. ok, let's break this down a bit.QuoteFirst, he strikes me as rather suspicious. But since that isn't worth anything, he seems rather intent on seeing my blood, and rather than be reasonable and listen to the arguments saying I'm not scum, which are correct, although I resent the term "idiot", he brushes them aside as if there was no sense in them.
:-\
firstly, i think it's fair to say that wanting to see your blood is totally reasonable by this point. secondly... what arguments saying that you're not scum?! you basically rolled over and died after making some weaksauce attempts at sticking up for yourself! and what arguments you did give just made things far, far worse! he was being reasonable - the person not being reasonable here is you, for not seeing that your arguments hold about as much water as a sieve.QuoteTHERE NEVER WAS A GAMBIT. I'm not sure where this emerged. I mentioned it, while saying I really wanted to try it. Then there was a discussion on its merits, which I will concede I was wrong in, and I said I wanted an excuse to try it, and I viewed scum as having an excuse to try it. Never in there did I say I was scum. I understand how it could have gotten mixed up, but I'd've thought someone would have gotten the meaning I gave it. :(
To lazy to pick apart the rest on the post, but there was a mention about how I ought to help scumhunt. Thing is, as has been mentioned earlier, this is my first game, so no clue what constitutes scummy, as opposed to normal or lurkey.
what do you mean, there wasn't a gambit? you voted for yourself. that, as you yourself proved with the link you provided, was a gambit. and of course you wouldn't say you were scum; that is totally a given, no matter how completely new you are to mafia. and it was so saturated with wine that, really, discerning any meaning from it - other than that you're a scumbag - is pretty undoable. and being 'too lazy' to scumhunt is... ugh, do i even have to go through this? can i move on please? thank you.
...actually, i will move on from this, because i feel that i have sufficient proved my point. webadict has even more to say on the matter; i've looked at it, and he makes a good point. the purpose of this post - to make explicit how humongously scummy breadbocks is; to show how he went past the point of no return a long, long time ago; to make sure that we don't just let him come back from the brink. i can only hope that i have done my job.
and, finally, vote eclipsetail, and if i have to go over the reasons why i'm voting this guy and not breadbocks again, then i will probably scream.
(addendum: ok, so it's inevitable that i will be asked, so, put concisely, here's why. yes, i have a mountain of dirt on breadbocks - but i have a very small molehill of pure shit on eclipsetail. and that, i think, is much, much more dangerous.)
I'm glad you see Aklyon my way USEC, bread subbing out just speaks volumes of town getting fed up with playing, especially with the way he's been playing before hand. However, you forget that you could be scum and that I am telling the truth.
where it all began. for now, forget the stories about the 'gambit', and take this by itsself. what motives could he have for doing this? it boils down to two options; 1) innocent stupidity and noobishness, or 2) scum kicking off the game with a goblet of wine that may or may not be situated at the front of my person. at this point - given how it is a newbie game - both are believable. this is without factoring in his 'gambit'.
more noobishness? or more delicious wine? perhaps both? seeing how that's twice now that we have seen some WIFOM, i'm inclined toward the less innocent option, given how scummy WIFOM is at the best of times.
now, why would any townie in there right mind want to confuse the town? especially one who says - and i quote - "I'm in this to win"? if you're in it to win, then why do you want to lead town on what may or may not be a wild goose chase?! now this ISN'T noobish moronity, because he is actually contradicting himsself here. so that's option 1 pretty much eliminated already. he's a noob, but at this point, it's looking like he's a scum-noob, one that has slipped up big-time
why would whether you were being suspected or not be of any concern if you were town? at best, this is just more WIFOM. bad, bad, bad.
now whatever could have possibly happened to being in it to win it; which, if you were, you would be scumhunting, and not generally being a moronic mafioso? see how the scum tries to squirm out of hole he has dug himsself, yet only worms his way further down.
looky here. mr in-it-to-win-it is making a vote on someone, at this very early stage in the game, without even trying to dig more dirt on the person. why not ask some questions, anything that even resembles scumhunting? it's far, far better than nothing at all. even without all the other stuff, this would be highly suspicious by itsself.
you'd think that, no matter how new a guy is to the game, he wouldn't resign himsself to his fate so quickly and easily if he knew that, in the end, he would flip town. or, if you like your wine in front of you, that's what he wants us to think. either way, hugely, hugely scummy.
more wine? oh, no thanks, i've already had more than enough. otherwise... this is just cringeworthy.
i thought you'd given up? well, it appears not, and you go and hop on the bandwagon. without doing any of your own digging. again.
i'm surprised that i need to be pointing this out to people at all, really. (which is why i didn't, till he somehow survived day 1).
firstly, i think it's fair to say that wanting to see your blood is totally reasonable by this point. secondly... what arguments saying that you're not scum?! you basically rolled over and died after making some weaksauce attempts at sticking up for yourself! and what arguments you did give just made things far, far worse! he was being reasonable - the person not being reasonable here is you, for not seeing that your arguments hold about as much water as a sieve.
what do you mean, there wasn't a gambit? you voted for yourself. that, as you yourself proved with the link you provided, was a gambit. and of course you wouldn't say you were scum; that is totally a given, no matter how completely new you are to mafia. and it was so saturated with wine that, really, discerning any meaning from it - other than that you're a scumbag - is pretty undoable. and being 'too lazy' to scumhunt is... ugh, do i even have to go through this? can i move on please? thank you.
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USEC, you arent looking at this from my or others point of view. We don't know you are town or scum for certain, and I think that Akloyn is town. Anyway, if I am town, which I am, I'm already dead from telling you guys I'm a cop. I'm not afraid of your shaky logic right now USEC. And its lylo, its not scummy for a cop to say he's a cop on lylo, hes trying to stop the scum winning. And I'm not 'claiming' the cop, I AM the cop.
USEC, you arent looking at this from my or others point of view. We don't know you are town or scum for certain, and I think that Akloyn is town. Anyway, if I am town, which I am, I'm already dead from telling you guys I'm a cop. I'm not afraid of your shaky logic right now USEC. And its lylo, its not scummy for a cop to say he's a cop on lylo, hes trying to stop the scum winning. And I'm not 'claiming' the cop, I AM the cop.
Zako hasn't really convinced me: I'm sticking by my vote for the time being. I can see the possibility of Scatterbrain being scum however. Bandwagon-ing Zako doesn't help, but as per your previous theories, he is your logical second choice.
Psssh, Logic. If logic meant something in this game, Eclipsetail would have flipped scum and breadbocks would have been lynched first day (my bad, you guis).
Should we wait for the replacement or do we just want to call it a day? I'm ready to retire.
Zako, got anything to say?
you can finish this up whenever you like diab.
Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.
Diablous has to do a write-up.Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.
Web- whose scum, then? I promise not to change my vote >_>
Diablous has to do a write-up.Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.
Web- whose scum, then? I promise not to change my vote >_>
Them's the breaks, kid. I think your major failing was actually on D1, when you switched your vote at the end from breadbocks to Zathras. Like it or not, Zathras was a power player, so lynching him cost the town. It is imperative to lynch lurkers or people that will be unreliable at lylo.Diablous has to do a write-up.Day's officially over now. Three shortens equals a hammer.
Web- whose scum, then? I promise not to change my vote >_>
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GG, scum. :<
Pretty much what web said. Although, when I would've flipped town, you would've thought Zathras was scum, thus, same end. :-\Doubtful. He either would've been NKed, or I personally would've protected him the next Day.
well you've kinda given away that a townie got lynched today webadict.No, the endgame decision was breadbocks (AND ECLIPSETAIL!)'s fault, actually. Having a replace on the last Day, plus his whole scummy play, caused too much hurt to the Town. Had he been lynched D1 instead, this game would likely have ended fairly well. Had I been alive, you also would've been screwed: With eclipsetail gone (... He is an excellent example of what you NEVER EVER DO IN MAFIA), there was only you two left on the scum list. I would've lynched USEC for sure (There was no way around him being scum), and then would've had to work on finding you again.
and yeah... me and usec are scummy bastards! MWAHAHAHAHaahahaha :D
absolutely brilliant game. scariest bit was when webadict joined - we thought we were boned, and writing up those defensive + the scumtells on breadbocks... that was hard, hard work. brilliant feeling when we realised that it had payed off though. lynching zathras was a lucky break for us, one we didn't expect and we didn't realise how useful it was at the time; ripping the shit out of bread right till the end of the game made my life a good bit easier, i'll tell you that.
on that note... i really need to apologise to breadbocks and shibdib. breadbocks for the mountain of scumtells on day two, and you quit soon after that - you got a baptism of fire mafia-style, to be sure! but i think it was too harsh and probably contributed to your quit later, so sorry for that. and i don't think that your opening gambit (i actually do think it was a gambit though, lol) was quite as stupid as i made it out to be - opening a game in a novel way like that is the kind of creativity that makes mafia more interesting. even if that particular example wasn't... brilliant? also, we did have a good reason for killing you first night shibdib, please believe us :p you had kinda just come back from lurking and were shooting off votes left right and centre, having a loose cannon like that in the game was pretty scary. sorry to continue your run of dying very early in mafia games :( but it's good to see that you're sticking at it in the likes of third party mafia... where you also died super-early. heh. keep at it though, dude!
and yeah, i'd like to repeat the thanks i gave in scumchat to various dude. super props to all of you. and town, for those that didn't lurk, you played a solid game; hats off to broodymoods especially - you just need to make better decisions at the end of the day, i suppose :p you were all great though, and i'd be lying if you didn't have me sweating just a teeny bit at the end there zako.
to conclude: a game with brilliant moments and highs, thoroughly enjoyed it. and i might be scum, but i'm not a bad guy, really ;D
Pretty much what web said. Although, when I would've flipped town, you would've thought Zathras was scum, thus, same end. :-\Doubtful. He either would've been NKed, or I personally would've protected him the next Day.
Oh, listening to me also might've helped. I am preeeeetty good. I kinda had the scumteam.well you've kinda given away that a townie got lynched today webadict.No, the endgame decision was breadbocks (AND ECLIPSETAIL!)'s fault, actually. Having a replace on the last Day, plus his whole scummy play, caused too much hurt to the Town. Had he been lynched D1 instead, this game would likely have ended fairly well. Had I been alive, you also would've been screwed: With eclipsetail gone (... He is an excellent example of what you NEVER EVER DO IN MAFIA), there was only you two left on the scum list. I would've lynched USEC for sure (There was no way around him being scum), and then would've had to work on finding you again.
and yeah... me and usec are scummy bastards! MWAHAHAHAHaahahaha :D
absolutely brilliant game. scariest bit was when webadict joined - we thought we were boned, and writing up those defensive + the scumtells on breadbocks... that was hard, hard work. brilliant feeling when we realised that it had payed off though. lynching zathras was a lucky break for us, one we didn't expect and we didn't realise how useful it was at the time; ripping the shit out of bread right till the end of the game made my life a good bit easier, i'll tell you that.
on that note... i really need to apologise to breadbocks and shibdib. breadbocks for the mountain of scumtells on day two, and you quit soon after that - you got a baptism of fire mafia-style, to be sure! but i think it was too harsh and probably contributed to your quit later, so sorry for that. and i don't think that your opening gambit (i actually do think it was a gambit though, lol) was quite as stupid as i made it out to be - opening a game in a novel way like that is the kind of creativity that makes mafia more interesting. even if that particular example wasn't... brilliant? also, we did have a good reason for killing you first night shibdib, please believe us :p you had kinda just come back from lurking and were shooting off votes left right and centre, having a loose cannon like that in the game was pretty scary. sorry to continue your run of dying very early in mafia games :( but it's good to see that you're sticking at it in the likes of third party mafia... where you also died super-early. heh. keep at it though, dude!
and yeah, i'd like to repeat the thanks i gave in scumchat to various dude. super props to all of you. and town, for those that didn't lurk, you played a solid game; hats off to broodymoods especially - you just need to make better decisions at the end of the day, i suppose :p you were all great though, and i'd be lying if you didn't have me sweating just a teeny bit at the end there zako.
to conclude: a game with brilliant moments and highs, thoroughly enjoyed it. and i might be scum, but i'm not a bad guy, really ;D
You were just a townsperson before the town was destroyed. Now, you must rely on your wits to figure out who amongst you are the scum who have contributed to destroying your beloved home town, and get the others to vote for them so they will be lynched.
You are a townie. You are town aligned. Each day you may vote for someone you want lynched. At the end of the day, whoever has the most votes is lynched. A tie causes a no lynch. You win when all mafia players are lynched.
You used to be an officer in the police force the town was destroyed. Now, thanks to your training, you can investigate someone each night, looking for evidence to see if they are one of the mafia who contributed to destroyed your home town.
You are a cop. You are town aligned. You can investigate one player each night, and attempt to figure out what alignment they are. You win when all mafia players are lynched.
You were a member of the Mafia before the Mafia and the town were destroyed. What remains of the town are trying to figure out who the remnants of the Mafia are. You aren't going to just let them blindly accuse each other until they get lucky and lynch you or your partner. You're going to get these guys before the get you. Each night, you and Scatterbrain will make a decision and kill one of the others. Once there are as many of them as there are of you, they won't be able to stop you. You and Scatterbrain have small, concealable radios on your person. You can use those to communicate between each other without the others finding out.
You are a Mafioso. You are mafia aligned. Scatterbrain is your fellow mafia member. Scatterbrain is a godfather, and comes up town aligned if inspected by the cop. You will still come up mafia if you are inspected. Each night you and Scatterbrain may choose a player to kill. You win when the amount of town players are equal to the amount of mafia players.
You were the leader of the Mafia before the Mafia and the town were destroyed. What remains of the town are trying to figure out who the remnants of the Mafia are. You aren't going to just let them blindly accuse each other until they get lucky and lynch you or your partner. You're going to get these guys before the get you. Each night, you and USEC_OFFICER will make a decision and kill one of the others. Once there are as many of them as there are of you, they won't be able to stop you. You and USEC_OFFICER have small, concealable radios on your person. You can use those to communicate between each other without the others finding out.
Hiding evidence, you were good at that. No matter how hard people tried, no one could get any evidence that you were in the Mafia. That could be important during these next few days. If someone attempted to investigate you and try to get evidence that you are a part of the mafia, they wouldn't get anything. They would think you are one of them.
You are a Godfather. You are mafia aligned. If inspected, the cop who inspected you will get a town result. USEC_OFFICER is your fellow mafia member. USEC_OFFICER is a Mafioso. X will still come up mafia aligned if inspected. Each night you and USEC_OFFICER may choose a player to kill. You win when the amount of town players is equal to the amount of mafia players.
Somewhat shaken from Zathras' death and innocence, you decide to see if your suspicions about eclipsetail are correct. You leave your home and head towards eclipsetail's, making sure no one sees you. It would be very bad news if you were seen and others assumed you were one of the Mafia.
You arrive at the house, certain you were not seen. You enter through the unlocked back door. You look carefully over the kitchen you just entered, looking for any signs of traps. You find nothing, and proceed to carefully and silently search the home for any evidence. You find bills, letters, all kinds of crap you find in the average home. But no weapons, nothing that links him to the Mafia. You check your watch. Sun's going to come up soon. You don't want to be here when he wakes up. Your search having turned up nothing, you leave and return to your home. Looks like eclipsetail was innocent all along.
USEC and Scatterbrain have made your decision. It's time to off shibdib. And USEC gets to kill him. He packs a few things to bring with him, and leaves his home and heads to shibdib's.
USEC finds him sleeping in his bed room, all alone. He take out a pistol, and then fire each round into shibdib's head. He's dead. But USEC's not done with him yet. He drag the corpse to the kitchen and take out a bone saw. USEC then gets to work and detaches his arms, head, and legs from his torso. Then stuffs the pieces of shibdib into the fridge. That should teach this town that you do not mess with the Mafia.
You depart from your home again. This time you head for TheBroodyMood's house. Hopefully this time you've struck scum.
You stealthily sneak into to the house and find Broody asleep on his couch. Taking care not to make any noise that would awake him, you begin a search of his house. You find lots of things you've seen in the homes of other innocents. Photos, papers, clothes. No weapons. No evidence that he was part of the Mafia. You investigated another innocent. You return to your home, only knowing one man's innocence.
The decision is made again. It's time for webadict to die. This time Scatterbrain will do the deed. He heads towards web's house with a chainsaw.
He finds his target, fast asleep, in his bed. web does not wake up when the chainsaw starts up. Seems like he's a heavy sleeper. Scatterbrain raises his chainsaw high, and brings it down on web's neck. It is torn apart and web is decapitated. He won't be giving you guys trouble anymore. You leave the chainsaw behind and return to your home. Got to wash the blood off before the morning.
Had I been alive
If there had been a doctor and I hadn't been protected, people would've died.Had I been alive
oh, you were far too dangerous for us to ever possibly keep alive
;D
(actually we kinda sweated about there being a doctor and you getting protected, guess that was another bit of luck too. and yeah, bread dropping + inactive replacement on last day helped a whole bundle too)
If Aklyon's replacement was any good, we might have had a problem. But there was no replacement. And so the town lost (Which seems to happen in every beginner's mafia game.)I was kinda hoping to re-replace, but I was told the deadchat, so there wasn't anything I coulda done.
Now to wait for Beginner's mafia XVI.
Thank god.If Aklyon's replacement was any good, we might have had a problem. But there was no replacement. And so the town lost (Which seems to happen in every beginner's mafia game.)I was kinda hoping to re-replace, but I was told the deadchat, so there wasn't anything I coulda done.
Now to wait for Beginner's mafia XVI.
Lol. Scatterbrain did a good job, and you better thank him. Hes the reason you didn't get lynched this last Day.Thank god.If Aklyon's replacement was any good, we might have had a problem. But there was no replacement. And so the town lost (Which seems to happen in every beginner's mafia game.)I was kinda hoping to re-replace, but I was told the deadchat, so there wasn't anything I coulda done.
Now to wait for Beginner's mafia XVI.
Then why didn't you vote for me? I'm sure Aklyon's vote was still good. You could have done something.^This.
Kudos to the Mafia team - USEC, your lurking could have gotten you lynched early on - but remember that when you're playing against more experienced players, there's little that will deter someone from calling scum on you when you lurk- despite time zone, or anything. As I've 'noticed' before, even if your life is falling to pieces, people still aren't going to take your excuses for granted. However, seeing as this is beginner mafia, people are generally going to go for the active/stupid people first- so you did well.
I refuse to take any responsibility at all, once so ever for loosing. Its not my fault. It is the fault of everyone else. Looking at you Zako, Zathras and Webaddict.Dude, I left several suspicions. It is the Town's fault for not using them.
GOD! I can't do everything by myself.
-no but seriously. sorry I borked it for town. NEXT TIME, SCUUUM!
I refuse to take any responsibility at all, once so ever for loosing[sic]. Its not my fault. It is the fault of everyone else. Looking at you Zako, Zathras and Webaddict.Why isn't my name on that list?
GOD! I can't do everything by myself.
-no but seriously. sorry I borked it for town. NEXT TIME, SCUUUM!
And me.Understatement.