USEC_OFFICER, what does USEC even stand for? And who do you think is the scum right now?
ein, I've seen you around the forum a bit- though I don't know much about you. How'd you fair in your last mafia game?
TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
Huh. That sucks. Ein, have you improved since then?
TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
Did Aqizzar jump in near the end, or was he quicker on the draw than that?
Unvote
Spade, is this your very first mafia game? Or only the first mafia game on Bay 12?
Unvote
Spade, is this your very first mafia game? Or only the first mafia game on Bay 12?
Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.
Frankly, I would have been surprised if I had gotten away with it.
USEC_OFFICER, what does USEC even stand for? And who do you think is the scum right now?
United Space Exploration Council. I've made quite a large backstory on it, from the heady (and boring days) of colony ships to several hundred years after the second encounter. It's all good.
As for who is scum? Two other people have posted (Becides me and the person who isn't playing.) That isn't enough for me to tell right now.
Unvote
Spade, is this your very first mafia game? Or only the first mafia game on Bay 12?
Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.
That guide will live forever.
TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
Huh. That sucks. Ein, have you improved since then?
...Rather, what did you learn?
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.
Frankly, I would have been surprised if I had gotten away with it.
i vote for Usec
as i find that his sudden changes of voting is quite strange
Jetsquirrel, what kind of things do you like about mafia?
No, you don't vote for USEC.
You bandwagon on USEC. You're using my reasons. You're barely saying anything at all. You're the second scum, I'll bet.
Frankly, I would have been surprised if I had gotten away with it.I still don't know why you would have said it if you thought it was suspicious. Being suspicious is bad, right?
No, you don't vote for USEC.
You bandwagon on USEC. You're using my reasons. You're barely saying anything at all. You're the second scum, I'll bet.
Bandwagon? are you kidding me?
You already try to blame 2 people with very little knowledge that is based on a name question and just blatantly saying that im bandwagoning usec for no reason at ALL.
Frankly, I would have been surprised if I had gotten away with it.
Did you realise this before or after you said it?
You could also be asking these questions without voting for everyone.
Frankly, I would have been surprised if I had gotten away with it.I still don't know why you would have said it if you thought it was suspicious. Being suspicious is bad, right?
So I'll just ask you here on this fresh page, why did you have to vote hop just to ask people questions?
USEC_OFFICER, what does USEC even stand for? And who do you think is the scum right now?
United Space Exploration Council. I've made quite a large backstory on it, from the heady (and boring days) of colony ships to several hundred years after the second encounter. It's all good.
As for who is scum? Two other people have posted (Becides me and the person who isn't playing.) That isn't enough for me to tell right now.Unvote
Spade, is this your very first mafia game? Or only the first mafia game on Bay 12?Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.
Cool beans on the USEC stuff.
Wrong answer everywhere else. Very, very wrong answer.
I'll grant you on the "two-post" thing, but that's not the point of the question. Scum-hunting guide and all.
So you're deflecting my question, waffling on your vote, and pretending like RVS is a good time to jump all over the place. Yeah, you're the scum.
USEC, now that Azure has said his piece, and you've effectly ruined your ability to be taken seriously, what's your next move?
Usec-Despite the first few replies by you, I wouldn't call that enough to vote you, however I would like to see your replies to the last page of questions and talk.
You already try to blame 2 people with very little knowledge that is based on a name question and just blatantly saying that im bandwagoning usec for no reason at ALL.
Deflecting your question? SirBayer, the chance of the scum being one of those two people is less then 0.06%.
kilakan, did you read the posts in order? Because ein mentioned that he had a life after Azure Sepulchre accused him of lurking. How do you think Azure Sepulchre would know about that before hand?
Azure-Last few games I've read and played, people who begin accusing lukers the second they are off for a few hours, have all been scum. Would you disagree that trying to point blame towards the people who seem to have lives, or nothing to say at the moment, to not be an attempt to move away from yourself or other people who are acting scummy without people pointing it out, which could lead to covering yourself and your team?
Quote from: Jetsquirrel on September 20, 2010, 07:37:02 pm
You already try to blame 2 people with very little knowledge that is based on a name question and just blatantly saying that im bandwagoning usec for no reason at ALL.
Jetsquirrel, can you explain this sentence more? Perhaps to the point where I can understand it?
Azure Sepulchre, might I ask why in god's name you aren't voting for me? Seriously. Didn't you read the scumhunting guide? There is no reason that you shouldn't be voting for anybody. With all the reasons that you gave for me being scum, you should be voting for me. Instead, you're sitting on your ass, saying "Oh, I can't vote for anybody, they all have real lives!" Well, guess what? We all have real lives, so that is not an excuse. Vote for somebody else who spends more time playing.
Also, if you wanted to get ein to talk, asking questions would be a good idea.
And budding involves "Oh, don't vote for X, he's EXCUSE." What I'm doing is "Oh, your question is stupid because REASON_WHY_QUESTION_IS_STUPID." There's a difference.
I also find it surprising that you are attacking people who say that ein has a real life, and then go around and stopping voting for him because he has a real life.
You know what? I bet that you are scum, with ein as your scum partner. If not, you clearly haven't learned anything from your last mafia games.
SirBayer-You seem to enjoy stating people are scum, blatantly and take JetSquirrels reaction to hard. Do you believe accusing and labeling people before day one to be scummy?'
USEC_OFFICER, what does USEC even stand for? And who do you think is the scum right now?
United Space Exploration Council. I've made quite a large backstory on it, from the heady (and boring days) of colony ships to several hundred years after the second encounter. It's all good.
As for who is scum? Two other people have posted (Becides me and the person who isn't playing.) That isn't enough for me to tell right now.Unvote
Spade, is this your very first mafia game? Or only the first mafia game on Bay 12?Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.
Cool beans on the USEC stuff.
Wrong answer everywhere else. Very, very wrong answer.
I'll grant you on the "two-post" thing, but that's not the point of the question. Scum-hunting guide and all.
So you're deflecting my question, waffling on your vote, and pretending like RVS is a good time to jump all over the place. Yeah, you're the scum.
Deflecting your question? SirBayer, the chance of the scum being one of those two people is less then 0.06%. It would have been a deflection if I said no idea. It is not a deflection if I say that I haven't heard from 75% of the people in the game. Unless, of course, you got some piece of knowledge from the scumhunting guide that I didn't. In that case, would you be kind to share it with me? (You are completely right about the jumpiness though. [Except for the fact that I am not scum, but an idiot.])
QUESTIONS:
SirBayer, is placing the second vote on someone bandwagoning, or do FOS count as votes in your book?
QuoteQuote from: Jetsquirrel on September 20, 2010, 07:37:02 pm
You already try to blame 2 people with very little knowledge that is based on a name question and just blatantly saying that im bandwagoning usec for no reason at ALL.
Jetsquirrel, can you explain this sentence more? Perhaps to the point where I can understand it?
1. he voted for usec i think only because he didnt agree with his name
2. he wants to vote me because he that im bandwagoning USEC , which isn't true
and 3. i don't know how to explain but when the mafia game started (very late in my time) and i red some stuff and as brainless and sleepy i was i voted for Usec insteand of Doing this Usec
so Unvote Usec
USEC_OFFICER, what does USEC even stand for? And who do you think is the scum right now?
United Space Exploration Council. I've made quite a large backstory on it, from the heady (and boring days) of colony ships to several hundred years after the second encounter. It's all good.
As for who is scum? Two other people have posted (Becides me and the person who isn't playing.) That isn't enough for me to tell right now.Unvote
Spade, is this your very first mafia game? Or only the first mafia game on Bay 12?Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.
Cool beans on the USEC stuff.
Wrong answer everywhere else. Very, very wrong answer.
I'll grant you on the "two-post" thing, but that's not the point of the question. Scum-hunting guide and all.
So you're deflecting my question, waffling on your vote, and pretending like RVS is a good time to jump all over the place. Yeah, you're the scum.
i vote for Usec
as i find that his sudden changes of voting is quite strange
Everyone, list you FOS's and give a curt explanation why you've chosen that particular person. This'll give us a fair idea of what the RVS has told us. If anything.
I also have a pinky finger of suspicion on both kilakan and SirBayer; kilakan because he leapt to the defense of Ein during an RVS of all things, and Bayer due to his frankly wild scumhunting tactics and almost completely baseless denunciations. Bayer seems to be getting results, though - admittedly after a fashion - and kilakan may have protected Ein because he, too, is new. I dunno... too many potentially new players who might not know enough and can play on that fact. This is gonna get hairy pretty damn soon. >.>
First of all, the vote had nothing to do with his name. IIRC, sir voted for him because of everything he said besides his name.QuoteQuote from: Jetsquirrel on September 20, 2010, 07:37:02 pm
You already try to blame 2 people with very little knowledge that is based on a name question and just blatantly saying that im bandwagoning usec for no reason at ALL.
Jetsquirrel, can you explain this sentence more? Perhaps to the point where I can understand it?
1. he voted for usec i think only because he didnt agree with his name
2. he wants to vote me because he that im bandwagoning USEC , which isn't true
and 3. i don't know how to explain but when the mafia game started (very late in my time) and i red some stuff and as brainless and sleepy i was i voted for Usec insteand of Doing this Usec
so Unvote Usec
Also Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.Yeah sure
That's ALL you have to say? Come on now.QuoteAlso Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.Yeah sure
Note that you can break townies as well and turn them into a defeatist, miserable wreck. I personally prefer to ask questions politely, make observations, then apply destructive force only when I'm pretty sure as to what I've gotten. Fewer players hate you and it's just as effective.
QuoteAlso Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.Yeah sure
Azure Sepulchre, might I ask why in god's name you aren't voting for me? Seriously. Didn't you read the scumhunting guide? There is no reason that you shouldn't be voting for anybody. With all the reasons that you gave for me being scum, you should be voting for me. Instead, you're sitting on your ass, saying "Oh, I can't vote for anybody, they all have real lives!" Well, guess what? We all have real lives, so that is not an excuse. Vote for somebody else who spends more time playing.
The title of this game is Beginner's Mafia, right? Which would imply it's a game for beginners, correct? Then would it be so remiss of me to presume you were simply very, very new? Fine, then. I shan't make that mistake again.
Also, WTF? How did I give the impression I'm not voting because everyone has their own lives to live?
If, on the other hand, this is your roundabout way of asking why I had targeted Ein in the first place... it was both because I wanted to know what he really thought of the game, and because I had considered his position much too mysterious and enigmatic for my taste when compared to everyone elses. For the latter I still do, actually (although the vote on him has become a tad redundant at this stage: unvote), but if he's busy IRL... well. There's hardly much I can do about that, now, is there? However, if a potential scum-buddy of his is willing to leap to the rescue, however... well, that's your affair.
That's just, in a word, retarded. I'm not voting because I don't have any outright scum-tells, and I want to not only figure out where everyone stands so far, but I also want to see if anyone can bring up a scum-tell I haven't noticed.
I've learned to watch for scummy tactics, like somebody who may be trying to force others against each other.
Right now I'm waiting, and watching for a tell.
Also, if you wanted to get ein to talk, asking questions would be a good idea.
Uhh, I did. And he answered. Have you even read this thread?
And budding involves "Oh, don't vote for X, he's EXCUSE." What I'm doing is "Oh, your question is stupid because REASON_WHY_QUESTION_IS_STUPID." There's a difference.
You not only claimed there was 'less than a 0.06% chance of me and Spade being scum' (pretty funny, that, considering you're calling me scum now. That's some scum-sense you've got, there) which sure as hell sounds to me like budding, but you also involved yourself in a question that was specifically directed at me and tried to answer it in my favour instead of scrutinizing what I said in return. That's buddying, right there.
I also find it surprising that you are attacking people who say that ein has a real life, and then go around and stopping voting for him because he has a real life.
...you really haven't read this thread.
Azure-Last few games I've read and played, people who begin accusing lukers the second they are off for a few hours, have all been scum. Would you disagree that trying to point blame towards the people who seem to have lives, or nothing to say at the moment, to not be an attempt to move away from yourself or other people who are acting scummy without people pointing it out, which could lead to covering yourself and your team?
I also have a pinky finger of suspicion on both kilakan and SirBayer; kilakan because he leapt to the defense of Ein during an RVS of all things,
Still vaguely suspicious of Ein, but there's nothing really for me to go on other than the fact that he's lurking, and he's already explained why he is. Gut feeling on this one, more than anything else...
I attacked kilakan because he did what you did; defended someone else who could defend himself just as well. I stopped voting for Ein, on the other hand, because he answered my question and to maintain the vote on him any longer would be pointless.
You know what? I bet that you are scum, with ein as your scum partner. If not, you clearly haven't learned anything from your last mafia games.
Then why aren't you voting for me?
Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.
Have you even read this thread?
try to buddy with me and then preform a complete 180 degrees turn when I call you on it, despite the fact that I gave you the benefit of the doubt and decided to wait until everyone had made their opinions clear before I made another move.
Grats, USEC. You just got your vote.
If there was a fool in this game I'd tell everyone to unvote USEC. Why would you tell someone to vote for you? Do you want to be voted off? Or are you trying to trick us into thinking you're town?
You're calling yourself an idiot. You realise something you say will sound suspicious, yet you post it anyway. Why would you do this?
USEC, now that Azure has said his piece, and you've effectly ruined your ability to be taken seriously, what's your next move?
Go into "Curse-you-all" mode, and try to get as much conversation as possible, so that the scum might make a scummy move, and get lynched in day 3.
Frankly, survival is not number 1 on my list anymore. Everybody else here looks like a better player than me, and it would hurt the town if someone else got lynched (except maybe ein or Jetsquirrel.)
kilakan, do you consider that being scum makes one aggressive, or that trying to be an effective scumhunter makes one aggressive?I believe it to be the player's personality that is the deciding factor, there are great scum who do great by being so aggressive no one wants to disagree, and there's great townies who through aggression break the scum into making fatal slips. Yet agression also only works against certain types of people, there are those who can laugh at a troll and not be effected, and there are people who begin freaking out and lose the game. Where-as I prefer a question, and listen type approach, more like that of a phyciatrist, that way you find the player types and can make appropriate moves.
kilakan, did you read the posts in order? Because ein mentioned that he had a life after Azure Sepulchre accused him of lurking. How do you think Azure Sepulchre would know about that before hand?'Honestly, I didn't read it all in order, I missed a few, went back, and read it again, due to joining late. But I do read everything and consider it before asking.
USEC-I am happy for you that you went and read the posts everyone put up, though filling pages with it and comments that don't make insight is not very helpful. I would like to ask. What are your plans if you survive to day two, do you plan on following the "Oh look over here!" approach or would you switch to a more thoughtful, or an aggressive approach?
Also what do you plan on accomplish in having everyone vote for you, maybe a goat sacrifice for the scum team, in such a way that the rest go unncticed and un-thought of for the first day, or are you simply panicking in having so many people vote for you?
Notice the part at the end. The part that says "but if he's busy IRL... well. There's hardly much I can do about that, now, is there?" You know what this implies? It implies that if ein posted more, you would be able to play more. But you know what really bizzare about this? It's that you didn't vote for me, the number one on your scum list.
But wait, you've given a reason why you are not voting in your next post:That's just, in a word, retarded. I'm not voting because I don't have any outright scum-tells, and I want to not only figure out where everyone stands so far, but I also want to see if anyone can bring up a scum-tell I haven't noticed.
Where have I heard that before?I've learned to watch for scummy tactics, like somebody who may be trying to force others against each other.
Right now I'm waiting, and watching for a tell.
How is this similar to your excuse? Well,
A. You are both not doing anything
B. You are both waiting for somebody else to do something.
That's right. Some would call what ein is doing lurking, and I'm calling what you are lurking. You are waiting for somebody else to do your scumhunting. That's both passive and scummy.
More importantly, have you? Because last time I checked, ein hasn't posted here in a day. If you really wanted to get ein to talk, you would have asked ein follow up questions, instead of saying that your vote is redundant.
Azure, Azure, Azure, you were never part of that 0.06%. (Broody and Sir Bayer was a part of that.) Of course now, that percentage is redundant, since everypost has posted something. That means that you are back up to having a 25 percent chance of being scummy.
Deflecting your question? SirBayer, the chance of the scum being one of those two people is less then 0.06%. It would have been a deflection if I said no idea.
Azure, where does it say that I can't get myself involved in a question that is directed at you? I didn't try to buddy with you at all. I was merely saying that the question was incredibly stupid, because it assumed information that you didn't know at the time. How is that buddying?
Azure, you attacked kilakan because of this quote:Azure-Last few games I've read and played, people who begin accusing lukers the second they are off for a few hours, have all been scum. Would you disagree that trying to point blame towards the people who seem to have lives, or nothing to say at the moment, to not be an attempt to move away from yourself or other people who are acting scummy without people pointing it out, which could lead to covering yourself and your team?
to which you replied with:I also have a pinky finger of suspicion on both kilakan and SirBayer; kilakan because he leapt to the defense of Ein during an RVS of all things,
The only way that I could see kilakan jumping to the defence of ein was through saying that ein had a life.
Oh, and guess what you said afterwards:Still vaguely suspicious of Ein, but there's nothing really for me to go on other than the fact that he's lurking, and he's already explained why he is. Gut feeling on this one, more than anything else...
You say you have a gut feeling on ein, but you don't follow it up. Why? The best reason I could find was that you accepted his reasons of having a real life. And guess what kilakan said?I attacked kilakan because he did what you did; defended someone else who could defend himself just as well. I stopped voting for Ein, on the other hand, because he answered my question and to maintain the vote on him any longer would be pointless.
So it would be pointless to maintain your vote on a person who gives you a gut feeling? I believe the standard opperating procedure for that case would be to SCUMHUNT. And what do you do? Nothing! You don't even keep your vote on the guy!
Umm...Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.Have you even read this thread?
(Looks like I've been voting for you all along. Surprise!)
I NEVER TRIED TO BUDDY WITH YOU!
Finally! The great Azure Sepulchre puts his money where his mouth is and votes for me! WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT DO THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE! YOU DON'T GIVE PEOPLE THE BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT IN MAFIA, YOU SCUMHUNT THEM TILL THEY EARN THE DOUBT! And Azure Sepulchre, you haven't earned it.
I thought I'd be able to handle this, and while it is true I could handle the end of the previous game, the beginning is just a bit too much for a limited schedule.Psh. First Day... I dunno if I can. I'm getting bogged down by other games.
I just don't have the time to type up long posts until about midnight, when I end up being too tired to think straight.
So I'm going to have to call for a replacement, unfortunately.
i vote for Usec
When you make yourself suspicious and then want to be voted for.... i will vote for you
as somewhere i red that people who make themselves suspicious in order to make confusion, you just vote for them.
(I red that somewhere in wizard duel 4)
I thought I'd be able to handle this, and while it is true I could handle the end of the previous game, the beginning is just a bit too much for a limited schedule.Psh. First Day... I dunno if I can. I'm getting bogged down by other games.
I just don't have the time to type up long posts until about midnight, when I end up being too tired to think straight.
So I'm going to have to call for a replacement, unfortunately.
Hey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Feels the need to completely ignore everything I say.
Good heavens.
Hey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Feels the need to completely ignore everything I say.
Good heavens.
Hey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Acts patronizingly to everyone, and as those his words are FACT.
Good heavens.
You might be one of the more experienced players here, but you're not a mafia god, and your acting as though you are is starting to piss me off.
That seems to be your playstyle. Going through other games, you seem to hammer away at some random person, not listen to them, and just keeping shouting OMG YOU SUCK at them until they stop playing out of the futility of arguing with you, or are lynched. You can argue that any lynch is better than no lynch, but going blinkers on straight for the first person you pick out of a hat, ignoring any of their arguments, until either you or they are killed, rather defeats the point that we're supposed to be catching scum.
That's why I didn't vote for you, even though you piss me off, because that's not enough of a reason to seriously shout you out as scum. Well, unless you're being so aggressive to shift attention away from you, or to make it look like you're doing some quality scum-hunting.
The person who really acts scum to me is USEC, with his insane ramblings and shouting of 'SHOOT ME' like some 80s action hero who's been cloned. But, of course, since every possible argument against him has already been used by others, and he hasn't responded adequately to any of them. And if I vote for him now, you'll shout 'bandwagon' at me.
That seems to be your playstyle. Going through other games, you seem to hammer away at some random person, not listen to them, and just keeping shouting OMG YOU SUCK at them until they stop playing out of the futility of arguing with you, or are lynched. You can argue that any lynch is better than no lynch, but going blinkers on straight for the first person you pick out of a hat, ignoring any of their arguments, until either you or they are killed, rather defeats the point that we're supposed to be catching scum.
That's why I didn't vote for you, even though you piss me off, because that's not enough of a reason to seriously shout you out as scum. Well, unless you're being so aggressive to shift attention away from you, or to make it look like you're doing some quality scum-hunting.
The person who really acts scum to me is USEC, with his insane ramblings and shouting of 'SHOOT ME' like some 80s action hero who's been cloned. But, of course, since every possible argument against him has already been used by others, and he hasn't responded adequately to any of them. And if I vote for him now, you'll shout 'bandwagon' at me.
If you had a decent argument, I certainly wouldn't.
Seeing as you don't seem to feel the need to produce one, do ANY SCUMHUNTING AT ALL, etc., you've warranted an FoS. But hey, feel free to not read the thread, not see why JetSquirrel is scummy, etc. You can defend him all you want, it's not my problem. Not right now, anyway. Also: You have time to go through other games but you can't SCUMHUNT IN THIS ONE? Come on now. You whine about my scumhunting, claiming that it's purposeless, and then you refuse to scumhunt at all yourself. You worry about what I think about you, you're -
Oh, huh. That's interesting.
You ARE suspicious of the easy, obvious target, but you can't be bothered to vote for him, because...? Because you're afraid of me.
You're right, no random spurts of aggression, charging for Spades based on my random vote which had little reason for existing. That's not the way I play.TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
Aside from that, let's have a good game everyone, and I Day One Vote Spade. Because shovels are best.
This is a random vote. There's not much to say about it alone, but...TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
Did Aqizzar jump in near the end, or was he quicker on the draw than that?
Just as all seemed won, just as I could taste that sweet cool beer, he done shot me in the face.
(He was the last Mafia of three players, and I got Ein lynched.)Nope, but I wasn't speaking for him, since I'm not him.
Nothing about Spades. Nothing about scumhunting. Nothing about anything.
FoS: Sir Bayer. You're being really overaggressive for a newbie game, treating any slip up, which really should be expected, as a massive scumtell. Not even as just a possible scum tell, but jumping on it and waving it the air as proof. I think you're being this aggressive to hide your own scuminess, but have overcompensated.
Also, Unvote Spade.
Also Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.
When you unvote Spades, you don't mention why. You don't question him. You don't chase him. You don't seem to feel the need.
You don't even have the guts to vote me then. You don't have the guts to vote me now. Why is that?
Yes, I know that, USEC, stop badgering people to vote when they don't have a decent case yet.
You KNOW you don't have a case. Why do you think that's acceptable? You can always fall back on RVS, if you need to, it's early enough in the game. But you don't feel the need to. Why is that?
Hey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Feels the need to completely ignore everything I say.
Good heavens.
Hey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Acts patronizingly to everyone, and as those his words are FACT.
Good heavens.
You might be one of the more experienced players here, but you're not a mafia god, and your acting as though you are is starting to piss me off.
You STILL don't have the guts to vote me. Only to insult me from a safe distance. Don't want to be too closely associated? Don't want to be seen as buddying, but don't want to be seen as passive?
That seems to be your playstyle. Going through other games, you seem to hammer away at some random person, not listen to them, and just keeping shouting OMG YOU SUCK at them until they stop playing out of the futility of arguing with you, or are lynched. You can argue that any lynch is better than no lynch, but going blinkers on straight for the first person you pick out of a hat, ignoring any of their arguments, until either you or they are killed, rather defeats the point that we're supposed to be catching scum.
That's why I didn't vote for you, even though you piss me off, because that's not enough of a reason to seriously shout you out as scum. Well, unless you're being so aggressive to shift attention away from you, or to make it look like you're doing some quality scum-hunting.
The person who really acts scum to me is USEC, with his insane ramblings and shouting of 'SHOOT ME' like some 80s action hero who's been cloned. But, of course, since every possible argument against him has already been used by others, and he hasn't responded adequately to any of them. And if I vote for him now, you'll shout 'bandwagon' at me.
And of course, here, you're so worried about appearances. "What does Bayer think of me? I won't vote anybody because I'm afraid of what Bayer thinks of me!" Well then, scumbucket, you know what I think of you - you're scum.
So here are the basic questions: Why are you so afraid of what I think of you? Why are you letting that affect your playstyle? Why do you feel the need to choose me as a target to fight, instead of hunting after who you yourself said you think is scum? Why do you think that's acceptable at all?
I don't see much I can do right now...
so may I request a vote count?
I'd also like to see more of Broody. :p
QuoteAlso Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.Yeah sure
Kilakan, you've been a scare poster- though you haven't dropped the game yet, so bonus. I feel like, this may be in part due to your icon, that you're just sort of smiling in a corner and watching us. Your posts have, thus far, been very concise and to the point. You throw out your thoughts and go back to the corner, perhaps suck on your pipe and grin. I am curious, oh so very, to hear your other suspicions. Now, from someone whose been lurking that last couple days, it may not seem like much a demand- but please enlighten us.
Ahahaha.and
Seriously?
You think I'm afraid of you, and that being so makes me not vote for other people? That argument makes no logical sense.
from: Akigagak on Today at 10:57:13 amTends to make me feel that this is a play. Though they are a good distance from making me actually believe them scum. I also tend to think people are lying more often then not, especially with the amount of unusual lines, such as those you would hear in a cop movie, so it may just be my mind making this up.
Quotefrom: SirBayer on Today at 10:47:43 amHey everybody, this is the scum.
Hey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Feels the need to completely ignore everything I say.
Good heavens.
Why? Acts patronizingly to everyone, and as those his words are FACT.
Good heavens.
You might be one of the more experienced players here, but you're not a mafia god, and your acting as though you are is starting to piss me off.
1. Games are separate.i vote for Usec
When you make yourself suspicious and then want to be voted for.... i will vote for you
as somewhere i red that people who make themselves suspicious in order to make confusion, you just vote for them.
(I red that somewhere in wizard duel 4)
Hey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Feels the need to completely ignore everything I say.
Good heavens.I thought I'd be able to handle this, and while it is true I could handle the end of the previous game, the beginning is just a bit too much for a limited schedule.Psh. First Day... I dunno if I can. I'm getting bogged down by other games.
I just don't have the time to type up long posts until about midnight, when I end up being too tired to think straight.
So I'm going to have to call for a replacement, unfortunately.
I can catch you in a scumgame over here, too, if you like! :P
aw come on this is a beginner game.....Someone's gotta replace in.
AkigagakWould you tell us the reasons why you seem content on attacking SirBayer and him alone? Along with the reasons why you feel the need to defend yourself so much against him, when only he was suspicious of you?
That seems to be your playstyle. Going through other games, you seem to hammer away at some random person, not listen to them, and just keeping shouting OMG YOU SUCK at them until they stop playing out of the futility of arguing with you, or are lynched. You can argue that any lynch is better than no lynch, but going blinkers on straight for the first person you pick out of a hat, ignoring any of their arguments, until either you or they are killed, rather defeats the point that we're supposed to be catching scum.
That's why I didn't vote for you, even though you piss me off, because that's not enough of a reason to seriously shout you out as scum. Well, unless you're being so aggressive to shift attention away from you, or to make it look like you're doing some quality scum-hunting.
The person who really acts scum to me is USEC, with his insane ramblings and shouting of 'SHOOT ME' like some 80s action hero who's been cloned. But, of course, since every possible argument against him has already been used by others, and he hasn't responded adequately to any of them. And if I vote for him now, you'll shout 'bandwagon' at me.
If you had a decent argument, I certainly wouldn't.
Seeing as you don't seem to feel the need to produce one, do ANY SCUMHUNTING AT ALL, etc., you've warranted an FoS. But hey, feel free to not read the thread, not see why JetSquirrel is scummy, etc. You can defend him all you want, it's not my problem. Not right now, anyway. Also: You have time to go through other games but you can't SCUMHUNT IN THIS ONE? Come on now. You whine about my scumhunting, claiming that it's purposeless, and then you refuse to scumhunt at all yourself. You worry about what I think about you, you're -
I wasn't defending JetSquirrel, and don't act like I was. I know damn well why JetSquirrel seems scummy, it's because he can't come up with his own arguments.
As for not scumhunting in this game, but going through others, how much time do you think I have had? This game has been going for a couple of days now, but I've had much, much longer to go through other games to see how people play. Scumhunting in this game, however, takes second fiddle to College, which started just last week for me.
QuoteOh, huh. That's interesting.
You ARE suspicious of the easy, obvious target, but you can't be bothered to vote for him, because...? Because you're afraid of me.
Ahahaha.
Seriously?
You think I'm afraid of you, and that being so makes me not vote for other people? That argument makes no logical sense.
QuoteYou're right, no random spurts of aggression, charging for Spades based on my random vote which had little reason for existing. That's not the way I play.TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
Aside from that, let's have a good game everyone, and I Day One Vote Spade. Because shovels are best.
This is a random vote. There's not much to say about it alone, but...TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.
Did Aqizzar jump in near the end, or was he quicker on the draw than that?
Just as all seemed won, just as I could taste that sweet cool beer, he done shot me in the face.
(He was the last Mafia of three players, and I got Ein lynched.)Nope, but I wasn't speaking for him, since I'm not him.
Nothing about Spades. Nothing about scumhunting. Nothing about anything.
QuoteFoS: Sir Bayer. You're being really overaggressive for a newbie game, treating any slip up, which really should be expected, as a massive scumtell. Not even as just a possible scum tell, but jumping on it and waving it the air as proof. I think you're being this aggressive to hide your own scuminess, but have overcompensated.
Also, Unvote Spade.
Also Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.
When you unvote Spades, you don't mention why. You don't question him. You don't chase him. You don't seem to feel the need.
Because this was me getting rid of the random, baseless vote.
You don't even have the guts to vote me then. You don't have the guts to vote me now. Why is that?
QuoteYes, I know that, USEC, stop badgering people to vote when they don't have a decent case yet.
You KNOW you don't have a case. Why do you think that's acceptable? You can always fall back on RVS, if you need to, it's early enough in the game. But you don't feel the need to. Why is that?
I said decent case. I'm not going to put one up when it's half-done and still has a few grey areas. By the time I did have a good one, everybody else had, between them, made all of the arguments I was going to.
QuoteHey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Feels the need to completely ignore everything I say.
Good heavens.
Hey everybody, this is the scum.
Why? Acts patronizingly to everyone, and as those his words are FACT.
Good heavens.
You might be one of the more experienced players here, but you're not a mafia god, and your acting as though you are is starting to piss me off.
You STILL don't have the guts to vote me. Only to insult me from a safe distance. Don't want to be too closely associated? Don't want to be seen as buddying, but don't want to be seen as passive?
No, just tired of your self-assertion over everyone.
QuoteThat seems to be your playstyle. Going through other games, you seem to hammer away at some random person, not listen to them, and just keeping shouting OMG YOU SUCK at them until they stop playing out of the futility of arguing with you, or are lynched. You can argue that any lynch is better than no lynch, but going blinkers on straight for the first person you pick out of a hat, ignoring any of their arguments, until either you or they are killed, rather defeats the point that we're supposed to be catching scum.
That's why I didn't vote for you, even though you piss me off, because that's not enough of a reason to seriously shout you out as scum. Well, unless you're being so aggressive to shift attention away from you, or to make it look like you're doing some quality scum-hunting.
The person who really acts scum to me is USEC, with his insane ramblings and shouting of 'SHOOT ME' like some 80s action hero who's been cloned. But, of course, since every possible argument against him has already been used by others, and he hasn't responded adequately to any of them. And if I vote for him now, you'll shout 'bandwagon' at me.
And of course, here, you're so worried about appearances. "What does Bayer think of me? I won't vote anybody because I'm afraid of what Bayer thinks of me!" Well then, scumbucket, you know what I think of you - you're scum.
Again, your logic makes no sense here. Why would being afraid of your opinion, which I give jack about, stop me voting for other people?
[/quote]QuoteSo here are the basic questions: Why are you so afraid of what I think of you? Why are you letting that affect your playstyle? Why do you feel the need to choose me as a target to fight, instead of hunting after who you yourself said you think is scum? Why do you think that's acceptable at all?
1: I'm not. Really, get over yourself.
2: See answer 1.
3: Because, originally, I was tired of your attitude. But yes, your arguments have told me something.
4: What makes being cautious so unacceptable to you? Yes, I don't want to get lynched, nobody does. But being randomly over-aggressive doesn't help anyone.
You want a vote, with a reason?
Sir Bayer. For being so over the top aggressive in a newby game, trying to shift attention onto whatever person you choose, trying to make it seem as though you're being a pro-active townie when really you're just trying to scare the newbies into either inactivity or voting with you, so you and your scummy pall can pull an easy win.
SirBayer, I think in a beginning mafia game you're playing a bit hardline- you're the most experienced player; accusing every one every which way doesn't help town if it just makes people distrust and question your motives. Because if people distrust you, you will get you lynched, which means we're losing a scum hunter of some merit- provided you aren't scum of course; considering the level of playing field this is, you could just as well be scum- though if you weren't I'd imagine scum would have you in their sights.
SirBayer:Though you have an aggressive play-style, why do you focus so much on one person in each of your posts, why not ask questions to more then just one person?
aw come on this is a beginner game.....
Ehhhh.... Not sure if I should sub in on this.
I caught the book of breadbocks reference there broody. He was an idiot, just like I said in XIV, and was also town. Amusing, to say the least.
And vector was right, you play an incredibly chill game dude. I salute you.
Ehhhh.... Not sure if I should sub in on this.Rule 1. Listen to Webadict. Always. He's always right eventually.
I caught the book of breadbocks reference there broody. He was an idiot, just like I said in XIV, and was also town. Amusing, to say the least.
And vector was right, you play an incredibly chill game dude. I salute you.
I am not sure if that makes me cut out for this game though: considering I lost my first two games. I am hoping I've learned something. If you come aboard, I promise not to vote for you if you claim cop- not this time. :P
The bold is right there. You can't erase a scumslip. You were worried that I would come after you. The only reason to be worried enough about another person's opinion to not vote or to change your behavior is if you're scum. Thus, you're scum. You said it yourself - not in the same words, but you were afraid of being attacked. Not necessarily by me, but you just didn't want the attention that putting your vote down would bring.
QuoteThe bold is right there. You can't erase a scumslip. You were worried that I would come after you. The only reason to be worried enough about another person's opinion to not vote or to change your behavior is if you're scum. Thus, you're scum. You said it yourself - not in the same words, but you were afraid of being attacked. Not necessarily by me, but you just didn't want the attention that putting your vote down would bring.
I'm not trying to defend him or anything, but isn't that also a mistake most townies make? They'll say they're scared about something happening, and then they're blamed for being scared. Even though they didn't know town have nothing to worry about.
Azure, it took you a while to settle your vote, though I wouldn't begrudge you for it. I mean, hell, look at me! Frankly, I need to read over your stuff more; You seem to dismiss a lot of allegations as hog-wash. I'll get back to you when I've got more time.
Frankly, survival is not number 1 on my list anymore. Everybody else here looks like a better player than me, and it would hurt the town if someone else got lynched (except maybe ein or Jetsquirrel.)
Jetsquirrel, you unvote USEC don't post for about 21 hours, then just rank and file, with Spade and Azure, vote him again- giving pretty much a paraphrased version of what Spade had said. You're not even trying are you? Oh, and I believe that makes you the third vote- and the Bandwagoner. Though we've been over this: "I am not bandwagoning you guise". Why are you letting SirBayer off the hook all the sudden?
Jet:He simply doesn't care a bit about the game, or he is trying the cool-whatever attitude and hoping no one votes for him, makes me feel uneasy.
Also, Jetsquirrel, you've got a lot of explaining to do: show up (look who's talking, =P ) and explain yourself. Is USEC still your top scum pick, or are you just voting because he's suicidal? There's a big difference.
Jetsquirrel: Seriously, where the f**k are you? Err, pardon the French. >.>
Usec is not my top pick, it's SirBayer i will switch to him later. But i vote for USEC as he has a suicidal attitude, so if he wants to be lynched so badly why don't i help him a hand.
i edited it because i accidently made a lot of Blank space under my post and it was kind of annoying to read
Also Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.Yeah sure
QuoteJetsquirrel, you unvote USEC don't post for about 21 hours, then just rank and file, with Spade and Azure, vote him again- giving pretty much a paraphrased version of what Spade had said. You're not even trying are you? Oh, and I believe that makes you the third vote- and the Bandwagoner. Though we've been over this: "I am not bandwagoning you guise". Why are you letting SirBayer off the hook all the sudden?
I don't have always time to read this mafia game and post some answer to this. I'm not getting him of the hook, im trying to follow that guide on page 2. But Sirbayer did make a lot of suspicion around me as he keeps telling that im scum. I will switch to him eventually but for now i'm focusing at USEC for his suicidal attitude.
QuoteJet:He simply doesn't care a bit about the game, or he is trying the cool-whatever attitude and hoping no one votes for him, makes me feel uneasy.
I do care about the game but since this is a begginer mafia game, and im obvously a begginer i try to get the hang of it. So i may attempt poor in my actions.QuoteAlso, Jetsquirrel, you've got a lot of explaining to do: show up (look who's talking, =P ) and explain yourself. Is USEC still your top scum pick, or are you just voting because he's suicidal? There's a big difference.
Usec is not my top pick, it's SirBayer i will switch to him later. But i vote for USEC as he has a suicidal attitude, so if he wants to be lynched so badly why don't i help him a hand.
So, just had a quick browse through all your posts and noticed something interesting; you haven't voted once. Nope, not once. Not even during the proper RVS. Oh, sure, you've suspected plenty, but you've never made a proper move on anyone. I'm inclined not to look into this too deeply for much the same reason Broody avoided targeting my own almost lackadaisic approach to voting, but I'm still wondering what it is you're waiting for.Well honestly I've been rather tied in my suspicions for the game so far, and I didn't feel like vote/unvoting everytime someone new posts, and I don't feel like killing off the entire town in a random, pull the gun on anyone who twitches, type play mode.
But but i get a urge to edit posts when shit happens! But really il try to not edit any posts
but what is better? this?
or this? because if i didn;t edit that it would ike look that
i edited it because i accidently made a lot of Blank space under my post and it was kind of annoying to read
I don't have always time to read this mafia game and post some answer to this. I'm not getting him of the hook, im trying to follow that guide on page 2. But Sirbayer did make a lot of suspicion around me as he keeps telling that im scum. I will switch to him eventually but for now i'm focusing at USEC for his suicidal attitude.Well for someone who claims to dislike having unorganized replies, you sure have a huge lack of punctuation, spelling, and capitalization. Which leads me to believe that you edited out scummy sentences from your post. This mixed with your lack of scum-hunting, posts (I only have two-three hours that I can even access a computer, yet I have posted at least once each day, with all my thoughts), and general lack of attempt to even defend yourself from the more incriminating questions, has lead me to believe you are currently top scum, and despite someone could spew this as band-waggoning, I wholly believe you are the top scum at the moment, so:
Spade: Dude, you're still defending him no matter what you say. And hell, even if you really weren't trying to, you must have some reason for posting that - considering that an actually impartial observer wouldn't deign to say anything. So, why did you defend Aki? Or, if you still insist you weren't really defending him, why did you bother posting that?
SpadeYou have been awfully quite since the vote got off of you, do you not have questions for people? What are your thoughts on the current situation?Which vote?
Azure, it took you a while to settle your vote, though I wouldn't begrudge you for it. I mean, hell, look at me! Frankly, I need to read over your stuff more; You seem to dismiss a lot of allegations as hog-wash. I'll get back to you when I've got more time.
It's not like I dismissed them out of hand, which you seem to be strongly implying. =/
I have provided reasons; which I presume make sense, considering you haven't called me on anything specific aside from an impression of aloofness - although I suppose you did say you needed read over my stuff, so... eh. I must say, though; I am inclined to agree with Zako's impression of your playing style. You provide a fairly sharp contrast to Bayer's methods. I wonder which will prove better..?
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Broody: I can understand you having four primary FOS's, but I highly doubt you feel the same way about all four. And besides, there can be only two, no matter how suspect everyone in the game seems. So which two do you find the most scummy out of those four?
I also already said my thoughts were that USEC and Jet were scum. They both seem like they're pulling the same act of saying "VOTE ME!" to make it look like they're town. What am I supposed to say? Almost no one has said anything about me until now.
When did Jetsquirrel roll over: Do you mean he's figuratively saying "Vote me" or like USEC saying "vote me"?
You're a fairly consistent poster- but if your posts had more meat on the bone, you'd probably be much more effective scum hunter.
Hypothetical here: Let's say Jetsquirrel get's the noose, and he comes back Town, how would that change people's opinions?
Azure:Why would you leave out SirBayer and Akigagak, even though they are fighting each other actively, there's almost always something to ask, and asking every-one but them seems, odd.?
Well he specifically made a point of saying that he wouldn't bother asking either of you questions since you seemed to be busy with each-other, where as last time I asked questions before that I did ask you questions, and each time before that.Azure:Why would you leave out SirBayer and Akigagak, even though they are fighting each other actively, there's almost always something to ask, and asking every-one but them seems, odd.?
Why didn't YOU ask me something then?
Wonder where Akigagak is? Extension, don't want him missing the fun!
Broody:I would rather like to know what you think about me currently, you went through everyone else in your post, how about me, what are your takes on who I am?
EinYou are online, yet not posting, are you a lurker? (joke question mainly, I really don't expect a response at the moment, though a sudden appearance would be nice.)Bam! Appearance!
Uhhhh
No, drug-use is not against the rules, but I can't say I suggest it, either.
Awesome; I bet acid will make me awesome at this game- and an even better roommate!
Wh- How do you know this!?
Wait... so you'll object to that, but you won't object to my vote? You have no problem with me thinking you're obviously scum? ...oookay. >.>
Well for someone who claims to dislike having unorganized replies, you sure have a huge lack of punctuation, spelling, and capitalization. Which leads me to believe that you edited out scummy sentences from your post. This mixed with your lack of scum-hunting, posts (I only have two-three hours that I can even access a computer, yet I have posted at least once each day, with all my thoughts), and general lack of attempt to even defend yourself from the more incriminating questions, has lead me to believe you are currently top scum, and despite someone could spew this as band-waggoning, I wholly believe you are the top scum at the moment,
Jetsquirrel:How many mafia games have you played?
Where you scum or town in them, if you played any?
Do you even bother giving thought to asking any questions? Because if not, you should really ask for a replacement, even if you are scum and trying to hide low, not bothering to give ten minutes to reading the posts (and this has been a quite game) is not very acceptable.
Why do you often log on, yet almost never post, can you explain why you can't pick away at the thread while you log on?
Why did you almost copy SirBayer's line of If I'm your first pick, why aren't you voting me? , have you not read his posts?
Jetsquirrel is number one; he's voting for an easy lynch, editing his posts and generally being uncooperative. I put a vote on him and he had a fit about it; What I got out of his answers were essentially "I'm not going to vote for who I suspect until I can ensure a lynch, so I'll just vote an easy lynch". Jet, if you disagree with that assessment, please tell me. I mean, voting USEC wouldn't be bad specifically- but he has another suspect clearly- and is not doing to the foot work to pursue him.
._.
Mathematicians everywhere recommend pot and benzedrine. Apparently.
QuoteWait... so you'll object to that, but you won't object to my vote? You have no problem with me thinking you're obviously scum? ...oookay. >.>
because i may be not obvously scum but just a real mafia begginer or brain dead?QuoteWell for someone who claims to dislike having unorganized replies, you sure have a huge lack of punctuation, spelling, and capitalization. Which leads me to believe that you edited out scummy sentences from your post. This mixed with your lack of scum-hunting, posts (I only have two-three hours that I can even access a computer, yet I have posted at least once each day, with all my thoughts), and general lack of attempt to even defend yourself from the more incriminating questions, has lead me to believe you are currently top scum, and despite someone could spew this as band-waggoning, I wholly believe you are the top scum at the moment,
That's because im not english, i had to learn it thus making more mistakes than the English people.QuoteJetsquirrel:How many mafia games have you played?
Where you scum or town in them, if you played any?
Do you even bother giving thought to asking any questions? Because if not, you should really ask for a replacement, even if you are scum and trying to hide low, not bothering to give ten minutes to reading the posts (and this has been a quite game) is not very acceptable.
Why do you often log on, yet almost never post, can you explain why you can't pick away at the thread while you log on?
Why did you almost copy SirBayer's line of If I'm your first pick, why aren't you voting me? , have you not read his posts?
i played in 1 game (wizard duel 1) where i screwed up at the end badly, Town (Grey wizard), Il try really! , because while i log on i go to the RTD thing place a quick action and leave.. and sometimes i'm just afk at the forums, i did?QuoteJetsquirrel is number one; he's voting for an easy lynch, editing his posts and generally being uncooperative. I put a vote on him and he had a fit about it; What I got out of his answers were essentially "I'm not going to vote for who I suspect until I can ensure a lynch, so I'll just vote an easy lynch". Jet, if you disagree with that assessment, please tell me. I mean, voting USEC wouldn't be bad specifically- but he has another suspect clearly- and is not doing to the foot work to pursue him.
nothing i can answer against.
and finally where is Usec?
Good work, gentlemen, you broke JetSquirrel, and it looks to me like he broke town.
Azure:Why would you leave out SirBayer and Akigagak, even though they are fighting each other actively, there's almost always something to ask, and asking every-one but them seems, odd.
I haven't attacked the other people I think are scum (Jet, USEC), because everyone else has done that already, and I'm waiting for answers to those arguments before I make my own.
Azure I suspect you lastly, and to be honest, its mostly because I am not entirely sure about you. The last few games I've been in, it was the person I had the fuzziest notions of that turned out to be scum. Its not a wonderful reason, I admit, but it is the reason I have thus far. If I had a better picture of you, methinks I'd not suspect you- unless you pulled a Jetsquirrel or USEC.
Spoiler: enlightenment (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: silliness (click to show/hide)
Kilakan, may as I ask, how do you read me? In fact, I'd be interested to hear anyone's criticism of me, as it has remained seemingly lacking, thus far in the debate.Well you seem a bit too lax Watson, as if you are high 24/7, and with the current mention of drugs, well I belive you need an intervention. Now to seriously answer the question, you have very little scummy about you, and you seem to me to be simply a new player who is reading guides and trying to be of help, while also attempting to learn as much as possible. Due to this newness of your's you are completely relaxed in the game and simply rolling with the punches, as opposed to a more vetran player who could become paranoid from the questions and discussions and start lashing out, or asking huge amounts of un-related questions. This is a good trait in a player, and so far you have been of much help. Hopefully you make some great revelations about the other players and are able to lynch the scum.
And I'd just written it.
Ok. Day ends 10:00 Friday.
Heh. A 12 hour extension.First of all, three people asked for an extension. My belief is that anyone asking for an extension should be given one. If the other players find this unacceptable, they can shorten, canceling out 1-to-1.
Sorry, It's saturday here, so I figured it was american friday. Other than that, I'm going off the forumclock.
See, this sounds more... townie. New, but townie. More like what I was looking for. Good work, gentlemen, you broke JetSquirrel, and it looks to me like he broke town.
Unvote Jetsquirrel
Vote Usec
Well thank god for the extension, I meant to do this in my last post, jet-squirrel seems to me to be simply a broken townie now, and there's no point in taking him out when USEC doesn't even come on any more, and he is my runner-up scum. Also if that is only a 4 hour extension....
extension
Extension.
I need more time, sorry people.
Kilikan, what is this? What on earth is this?That would be me at 4:00AM misinterpreting what you said, do you mean that you now believe he is town, or that he is scum? Either way, are we replacing USEC too, due to him being gone for a number of days? I am rather annoyed by this, my internet cuts out for two days and there's only 4 new posts, come on people talk a bit. Un-vote USEC until some more people talk and whether or not we replace him too.
Also, Jetsquirrel, it's well-justified for someone to mod-kill for editing, at least in a game with more experienced players.oh,... didn't know that!
It says on the first post that quoting a PM or editing your posts are completely taboo, both for very easy to identify reasons.
Remember, in a game where you're encouraged to lie to each other (if you're scum), you can't say you had 'too much blank space'.
ummmm who are you and why did you just tell us your role?
ummmm who are you and why did you just tell us your role?
QuoteKilikan, what is this? What on earth is this?That would be me at 4:00AM misinterpreting what you said, do you mean that you now believe he is town, or that he is scum? Either way, are we replacing USEC too, due to him being gone for a number of days? I am rather annoyed by this, my internet cuts out for two days and there's only 4 new posts, come on people talk a bit. Un-vote USEC until some more people talk and whether or not we replace him too.
so just found out that i'm actually a townie - managed a readthrough, will bring the words + serious stuff tomorrow. shoutout to BM14 guys (i c u thar zakko!). much love etc.
First,
Kilakan, deciding to take the heat off jetsquirrel seemed rather odd- particularly because you didn't have much of a good reason- well not one that SirBayer hadn't already said.
Second,
Jetsquirrel last game I played we had a dude that acted like you whose first language was not English (mysteriousbluepuppet). He turned out to be a serial killer. Despite SirBayer's star studded review of you, I still suspect you- just because your first language is not English doesn't mean you make some of the mistakes you did, which if you were town, means you were ignorant. I don't think you're ignorant, I just think your a bad liar (a compliment in a round about way). My vote stays on you because I suspect you, still.
Votebord plz and when will night 1 begin?
Votebord plz and when will night 1 begin?
One last thought - a little over-eager to start the night, hmm? Don't want to have to deal with answering any more questions?
At that point in time I had believed that some of the scummy-ness was off of Jetsquirrel, though now that he has shown interest in day ending now that he no-longer has my vote on him, I find extremely suspicious and scummy. I would rather like to know when I admitted to active lurking, and it wasn't an excuse when I said that I had no internet for a few days, it was a point that I'm gone for 2 days and low and behold, only 5 new posts, it was simply a comment on how slow this game is. Would that red be a vote for me or a question? Anyways my current scum-pick has become Jetsquirrel again, a townie wouldn't be afraid to get lynched yet he seemed far to relieved when the vote was removed from him and too eager to have the day end.QuoteKilikan, what is this? What on earth is this?That would be me at 4:00AM misinterpreting what you said, do you mean that you now believe he is town, or that he is scum? Either way, are we replacing USEC too, due to him being gone for a number of days? I am rather annoyed by this, my internet cuts out for two days and there's only 4 new posts, come on people talk a bit. Un-vote USEC until some more people talk and whether or not we replace him too.
I suspect JetSquirrel is town. Suspect being the key word - sounded like he broke. I may reconsider that in the future.
My problem is that it appeared to be an almost exact quote from my post, interspersed with some of your own words. You weren't even really participating in the thing, and yet you were gladly willing to unvote when it seemed like the pressure was off JetSquirrel, Kilikan. Admitting to active lurking? Excuses... acceptable, and yet nonetheless suspicious.
Who's your new scumpick?
Extension, we don't need the day ending just yet.
...you broke JetSquirrel, and it looks to me like he broke town.
That SirTerminator could declare that the accused 'broke town' (which is a major milestone that puts the individual beyond all suspicion) after such a light session of questioning, and with making barely a shadow of an attempt to chase him down even further, as is usually his wont, is highly suspicious and out of character. Especially so given that this came just after a period where SB was coming under some heat for his aggression; he takes the first opportunity to show everyone how nice he is by turning the gas down. Don't like it. What do you have to say for yourself, SirBayer?
Bayer: How does Jetsquirrel come across as town to you? A town newbie, I think, would vociferously deny any allegations put towards him until the bitter end (or at least that's what I did when I was a brand new), whereas Jetsquirrel appears passive. I mean, hell, he was presented with evidence that he was scum, and he just said 'nothing I can answer to'! He's trying even less to defend himself than USEC did!
Smells like broken scum that's given up on fighting back to me.
Spoiler: death scene (click to show/hide)
Replacement you say? Seems I've died elsewhere, so I may have a chance for this, assuming it's okay. I'll probably be busy until Friday though. Well, mostly busy.
What have you learned from the last time you played? Did you enjoy being scum, in the BM we played together?
Town Only
No Nights
Final Destination?
So busy. UGH. Anyway, this isn't going to be as long as I intended it to be. More at some indeterminate point in the future, hopefully.
The most striking thing I've noticed so far is from sirbayer; the guy with a reuptation (a self-acknowledged one) one aggression and brutality with his scumhunting declares this:...you broke JetSquirrel, and it looks to me like he broke town.
this after, what, 4 lines worth of reply from Jetsquirrel - a reply that I found far from convincing. That SirTerminator could declare that the accused 'broke town' (which is a major milestone that puts the individual beyond all suspicion) after such a light session of questioning, and with making barely a shadow of an attempt to chase him down even further, as is usually his wont, is highly suspicious and out of character. Especially so given that this came just after a period where SB was coming under some heat for his aggression; he takes the first opportunity to show everyone how nice he is by turning the gas down. Don't like it. What do you have to say for yourself, SirBayer?
At that point in time I had believed that some of the scummy-ness was off of Jetsquirrel, though now that he has shown interest in day ending now that he no-longer has my vote on him, I find extremely suspicious and scummy. I would rather like to know when I admitted to active lurking, and it wasn't an excuse when I said that I had no internet for a few days, it was a point that I'm gone for 2 days and low and behold, only 5 new posts, it was simply a comment on how slow this game is. Would that red be a vote for me or a question? Anyways my current scum-pick has become Jetsquirrel again, a townie wouldn't be afraid to get lynched yet he seemed far to relieved when the vote was removed from him and too eager to have the day end.QuoteKilikan, what is this? What on earth is this?That would be me at 4:00AM misinterpreting what you said, do you mean that you now believe he is town, or that he is scum? Either way, are we replacing USEC too, due to him being gone for a number of days? I am rather annoyed by this, my internet cuts out for two days and there's only 4 new posts, come on people talk a bit. Un-vote USEC until some more people talk and whether or not we replace him too.
I suspect JetSquirrel is town. Suspect being the key word - sounded like he broke. I may reconsider that in the future.
My problem is that it appeared to be an almost exact quote from my post, interspersed with some of your own words. You weren't even really participating in the thing, and yet you were gladly willing to unvote when it seemed like the pressure was off JetSquirrel, Kilikan. Admitting to active lurking? Excuses... acceptable, and yet nonetheless suspicious.
Who's your new scumpick?
Extension, we don't need the day ending just yet.
It's hard to describe what it is, but when a town player breaks, you should be able to recognize it, or else every bit of all your scumhunting is completely wasted.
It's hard to describe what it is, but when a town player breaks, you should be able to recognize it, or else every bit of all your scumhunting is completely wasted.
*cough*PYS*cough*
HEY, I ALREADY ATE THAT HAT
HEY, I ALREADY ATE THAT HAT
EAT 'ER AGAIN
Hold up Webadict. I'm trying to find every single possible other solution first.
No. I don't even WANT to join anymore.Hold up Webadict. I'm trying to find every single possible other solution first.
Aww come'on, barring a New Challenger, let him in. At least people might start posting.
Spade: have your suspicions of USEC changed in his absence? How do you feel about the loss of a doctor?
Need IC replacement.Oh no. My Vectorsense is tingling.
Need IC replacement.Oh no. My Vectorsense is tingling.
Something is the matter. I am sure of it.
I'm scared, guys. Because without Vector, this board has only me left. And I can't do work.Need IC replacement.Oh no. My Vectorsense is tingling.
Something is the matter. I am sure of it.
Yup. See you later.
I've got some time, but I'm far from an expert. I can fill the spot, and Wubba can be the Big Cheese Bossman. How about it?It's the Scum IC position, right? I could probably teach some people the true art of the scum.
Go Team Soladict Webifuge!Remember when I was Town, and you were Town, and we were bro-fist Towning?
An old man stands up, leaning on his cane. He speaks with a soft voice, "Does that reassure any of us? Of course not! Who knows how long they've been among us! Do you? Can you be sure of his innocence at all? I think not! We're all suspicious, and without knowing who is whom we'll never live to find out! I think you're a little suspicious, Solifuge!" he shouts, pointing a long, bony finger at Solifuge.
Webadict, I will give you scum IC if you want it.I suppose I could.
So busy. UGH. Anyway, this isn't going to be as long as I intended it to be. More at some indeterminate point in the future, hopefully.
The most striking thing I've noticed so far is from sirbayer; the guy with a reuptation (a self-acknowledged one) one aggression and brutality with his scumhunting declares this:...you broke JetSquirrel, and it looks to me like he broke town.
this after, what, 4 lines worth of reply from Jetsquirrel - a reply that I found far from convincing. That SirTerminator could declare that the accused 'broke town' (which is a major milestone that puts the individual beyond all suspicion) after such a light session of questioning, and with making barely a shadow of an attempt to chase him down even further, as is usually his wont, is highly suspicious and out of character. Especially so given that this came just after a period where SB was coming under some heat for his aggression; he takes the first opportunity to show everyone how nice he is by turning the gas down. Don't like it. What do you have to say for yourself, SirBayer?
I have to say read the scumhunting manual. The entire point of my insane aggression is to prompt reactions like the one I got out of JetSquirrel. It's hard to describe what it is, but when a town player breaks, you should be able to recognize it, or else every bit of all your scumhunting is completely wasted.
JetSquirrel broke town. I stopped voting him. Then he got lynched and he was town. Gee, wonder why I stopped voting him?
If my explanation isn't sufficient for you, I'm sorry. I can't honestly point to anything specific that told me "town." It was just... there.
Then there's the USEC vs AzureSepulchre war.
I won't go too in depth on this right now cos I'm tight for time, but basically, I see it like this - USEC's statement of intent was to try and become a better scumhunter this game. Here, this story checks out and makes sense. Azure's, on the other hand, doesn't. I can't really put my finger on it, but the defensive/aggressive balance of his replies don't sit well with me.
That, and his focus and intent on making replies in the first place, reminds me of... well, me, when I was scum in BM14 trying to defend from webadict. For that, Azure gets a middling FoS, but I need to do more digging here.
Azure: I know you intend to answer my FoS - in addition to this, are you surprised the deceased of yesterday/yesternight flipping town?
Spade: Like Jet, you drifted to and fro during the final stages of the voting process, settling only on people who could be lynched and backing up your attacks with nothing but a flimsy reiteration of other peoples deductions. Why were you so eager for a lynch? What really made you settle on Jet?
About jet: He seemed like he really didn't know what he was doing. In most cases where this happened, the person was usually town. I didn't want to take the chance that this time they would actually be mafia, where they would slip right by without a lynching. I thought it might have been some kind of strategy.
at this moment, i don't have time to respond to azure's big ol' post, but i did notice this:About jet: He seemed like he really didn't know what he was doing. In most cases where this happened, the person was usually town. I didn't want to take the chance that this time they would actually be mafia, where they would slip right by without a lynching. I thought it might have been some kind of strategy.
this is a contradiction of terms, spade. you suggest that he's a noob without a clue, then suggest that he has a plan up his sleeve. this sounds rather like scum trying to trying to give a reasoned answer to a question, but not quite getting the reasoned bit right. what do you have to say for yourself?
i think people have simply lost interest (including me, being honest). this is what happens when you kill broody! D:
Better to let your game die than let the thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65727.0) be locked (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65277.0) forever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=57425.0).Note to all: If you don't let me in, your game dies.
Alright!
I hereby stamp beginner's mafia 16 as Dud!
The Mafia were
Godfather: Akigigak
Mafioso: Azure Sepulchre.
The only townie power role was TheBroodyMoods- There was no cop.
Deadchat (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/9Ayp8fteyE8t)
Mafiachat (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/3Fqg7YrdeDSn)
I didn't get anything on Azure, he's a good scumplayer. <_>
i think people have simply lost interest (including me, being honest). this is what happens when you kill broody! D:
... You let Akigigak slip. You just let him go.
Hmm.
And see, this was also the end objective, since it looks like Akigagak has also broken town.
That was all I was looking for, Aki; my apologies for smashing on you. It's just the way I do things.
Unvote Akigagak - I'll get back to hammerman-ing when I have summore time.
And motivation. D:
Hmm.
And see, this was also the end objective, since it looks like Akigagak has also broken town.
That was all I was looking for, Aki; my apologies for smashing on you. It's just the way I do things.
Unvote Akigagak - I'll get back to hammerman-ing when I have summore time.
And motivation. D:
You failed so hard, and nothing you can say will remove this stain on your reputation as a Townie. People in PYS are going to be quoting this, I just know it.
Also: If you can't take the heat, you probably shouldn't be playing Mafia. You, Vector, seem to have forgotten that the very playstyle I use is the one you used on me to teach my how Mafia works. If you lose motivation the second the heat comes on, it's not the right game for you.
Alright, Vector, you're right, I need to review my playstyle. I'll take your advice.
Seems like I can't win, though. I let JetSquirrel go, because he's, y'know, town, and I'm a scumbucket. I try to stick to someone and I'm way too aggressive.
Alright, Vector, you're right, I need to review my playstyle. I'll take your advice.
Seems like I can't win, though. I let JetSquirrel go, because he's, y'know, town, and I'm a scumbucket. I try to stick to someone and I'm way too aggressive.
Right, we all have to deal with this. It's just about moderation.
I'm not saying your style is all bad. I'm just saying that it needs a lot of work, and backing down on aggression should help a lot--since mindless aggression will just screw you over in the end. Accept your failures gracefully, be humble, and above all... think. But don't kick yourself in the face for screwing up sometimes, either.
You're an okay sort, Bayer =) Just pay a bit more attention to what you're doing sometimes, hey?