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Title: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Euld on October 12, 2010, 02:25:52 pm
http://www.nanowrimo.org/ (http://www.nanowrimo.org/)

Can you write a 50,000 word novel in a month?  Of course you can!  And right up there is the place to sign up :)  50,000 words is around 200 pages, depending on the format, give or take.  I'd certainly like to try this, granted I find a job to do during that time...
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mechanoid on October 12, 2010, 03:38:37 pm
"Ned Flanders sucks"
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Euld on October 12, 2010, 03:47:25 pm
o_O?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Dasleah on October 12, 2010, 04:20:18 pm
We had a semi-successful Script Frenzy around here when that went on (I got a job halfway though so I never got to see how my own thread progressed and how well everyone went!). I don't know if I'll have the time to take part in NaNoWriMo this year but good luck to all those who do.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Acanthus117 on October 12, 2010, 05:46:36 pm
I want to join, let's hope I can actually get something done this time. :D
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Flaming Dorf on October 13, 2010, 09:20:04 pm
I almost won last year - I couldn't write the last day because my cat died. :-\

I recommend Nano to everyone who likes to write fiction. It's a hectic, tiring, awesome experience.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mr_Ham97 on October 13, 2010, 10:00:48 pm
I'm doing it if college doesn't get too busy. This will be my first year because I only heard about it last December. It'll also be my first attempt to ever write something over 2000 words, and for fun at that. I passed out of English 101 and I didn't get to write creatively at all in English 102 but I got an A (and it's not like my professor was easy) so hopefully I'm a good writer. And for this I don't have to find credible sources for all my information, so that's a huge bonus.

I think I'll write a fantasy parody that's not ripping off Discworld but it could turn into a serious sci-fi by the end for all I know.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Biag on October 13, 2010, 11:01:06 pm
I won last year... it was one of the most fantastic things I have ever done. Gotta come up with a story for this round! :D
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on October 13, 2010, 11:11:50 pm
You know, I'd completely forgotten this was coming up. I've been making notes for a novel since about March but I've kinda stalled out recently, so this is perfect. Thank you for a timely reminder.

I passed out of English 101 and I didn't get to write creatively at all in English 102 but I got an A (and it's not like my professor was easy) so hopefully I'm a good writer.

"Good" is a second draft concern. Especially when you're trying to write 50k in a month. Even working from an outline it's difficult to punch out something that isn't a complete mess. I wrote a novella a few years back and entire scenes needed to be cut or reworked. And I spent like five months on the thing.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Grakelin on October 13, 2010, 11:29:54 pm
Signed on
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Willfor on October 13, 2010, 11:32:00 pm
http://writeordie.drwicked.com/

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

If you have your own system for keeping your focus on your writing, cool. If you don't, writeordie is a motivational tool you might want to take advantage of.

I know what I am working on for mine this year, and I am hoping to succeed. Or at least get really really close to succeeding.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mr_Ham97 on October 13, 2010, 11:52:51 pm
"Good" is a second draft concern. Especially when you're trying to write 50k in a month. Even working from an outline it's difficult to punch out something that isn't a complete mess. I wrote a novella a few years back and entire scenes needed to be cut or reworked. And I spent like five months on the thing.
Yeah, I know; quantity over quality and all that. I just haven't written anything even remotely near this length before so what I mean is forgetting about foreshadowing and which things can do which things and all that. Although I'm currently writing an outline so that'll probably help a lot with keeping the plot straight.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Heron TSG on October 13, 2010, 11:54:36 pm
No, never keep the plot straight. Draw a scenic vista with it. Use it to create an image of staggering beauty, far beyond the grasp of reality. If your readers believe in magic, they will discover the meaning within.

That or you'll frustrate the hell out of people.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mr_Ham97 on October 14, 2010, 12:01:54 am
Well most people don't believe in magic so I don't think that'll really work.

Also an outline will help me a lot with at least knowing what the basic plot is and all that, as well as just me writing down ideas that I'll probably forget by the time November rolls around.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Acanthus117 on October 14, 2010, 12:02:59 am
Hey, what are you guys planning to write about?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mr_Ham97 on October 14, 2010, 12:06:14 am
well ok here's my thing so far i just made it in like 5 minutes so yeah

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Acanthus117 on October 14, 2010, 12:31:32 am
Mine's about a salvage crew that goes out and dismantles derelict starships, scavenges anything valuable, and sells it to various second hand dealerships. They pick up two new crew members, after their mechanic and one of their EVA operators was killed by pirates in a raid.

Unfortunately, the mechanic is actually a genetically engineered 'Template' for a new line of cloned supersoldiers, and a lot of people want to get her and make an army of Helghast-esque clones and kill shit.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on October 14, 2010, 12:35:16 am
Yeah, I know; quantity over quality and all that. I just haven't written anything even remotely near this length before so what I mean is forgetting about foreshadowing and which things can do which things and all that. Although I'm currently writing an outline so that'll probably help a lot with keeping the plot straight.

Yeah, that's what I meant, there are a lot of small details in a novel that unless you keep really thorough notes you're going to mess up.

well ok here's my thing so far i just made it in like 5 minutes so yeah

Made me laugh.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mr_Ham97 on October 14, 2010, 12:42:51 am
Mine's about a salvage crew that goes out and dismantles derelict starships, scavenges anything valuable, and sells it to various second hand dealerships. They pick up two new crew members, after their mechanic and one of their EVA operators was killed by pirates in a raid.

Unfortunately, the mechanic is actually a genetically engineered 'Template' for a new line of cloned supersoldiers, and a lot of people want to get her and make an army of Helghast-esque clones and kill shit.

Well if it's a girl then you should probably make sure you have a reason they want all the supersoldiers to be female, and have it be mentioned in the book of course.

Made me laugh.

The story itself or what I said there? Also if you don't know the beginning is like a big Eragon parody. Also also good night.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Acanthus117 on October 14, 2010, 12:50:10 am
Actually, the clones will be modified to be sexless grey freaks with superhuman strength, endurance and other shit.

The girl is needed because her genetic structure makes it a zillion times easier to work with, and she's got the basic structure needed for all the mods they want to add (she's not that much stronger than a person, but has great agility, reaction time and endurance).

Another thing I want to mention: they don't have star fighters, so most combat is either dudes in bulky space suits grappling in slo-mo and using modified work tools to punch holes in the other guy's suit or giant mass drivers firing super-resilient pods full of boarding crews whilst missiles and gauss guns are firing.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on October 14, 2010, 12:59:06 am
Sorry, the story itself. And I had no idea it was an Eragon parody, just took me by surprise. I figured it was gonna continue on in a Man Who Knew Too Little kind of way.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mr_Ham97 on October 14, 2010, 01:50:10 pm
Well it's not necessarily only an Eragon parody, just that Eragon is one of the more recent "chosen one" cliché books out there. I'm also planning on having a lot of time travel between the fantasy and sci-fi time periods, whether by magic or technology. Probably both, honestly. And, I'm also probably going to (try to) have magic be really powerful and mysterious instead of like the D&D utility approach. I don't know, let's see what I come up with with the outline.

Another thing I want to mention: they don't have star fighters, so most combat is either dudes in bulky space suits grappling in slo-mo and using modified work tools to punch holes in the other guy's suit or giant mass drivers firing super-resilient pods full of boarding crews whilst missiles and gauss guns are firing.

Well, why? Are starfighters too expensive for how little they actually do? Remember that in normal space dogfight stuff there are the capitol ships (which fight other capitol ships), the bombers (which try to destroy the capitol ship), the escort fighters (that escort the bombers so they don't get blown up), the attack fighters (that try to destroy the bombers), and the fighters that just try to destroy other fighters. If you do something to change this hierarchy then you should probably have a good reason for it! (Note that I'm not trying to be mean or anything by questioning you so much but rather questions like this can help you build your setting and make it more cohesive and logical.)
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Heron TSG on October 14, 2010, 02:35:39 pm
Men in space suits punching each other to death IN SPAAAAACE? Sounds like reason enough right there.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Grakelin on October 14, 2010, 04:19:00 pm
Ham: That's just space combat trope. We don't have a recorded example or any academic study of how space combat should be. Starfighters probably aren't actually feasible in the first place.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Acanthus117 on October 14, 2010, 06:01:09 pm
And they're punching each other with the equivalent of rivet guns. IN SPAAACE.

Besides, I never thought that space fighters were viable...
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mr_Ham97 on October 14, 2010, 07:43:15 pm
Ham: That's just space combat trope. We don't have a recorded example or any academic study of how space combat should be. Starfighters probably aren't actually feasible in the first place.

Yeah, I know. What I mean is that if you have a departure from what your reader is probably expecting then you should have a reason for it (and perhaps even state the reason outright in the story, although you have to be a good writer to not make it seem like blatant setting exposition), even if it's just because it's cool or something.

And they're punching each other with the equivalent of rivet guns. IN SPAAACE.

This seems like it would be good as some sorta really emotional final battle (between just the protagonist and his villainous counterpart) because it's really just an all-out brawl. To set it up right though you'd have to have a few more conventional battles (and probably have at least one of the protagonist's friends killed off), otherwise it wouldn't have the emotional impact it would have otherwise.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on October 14, 2010, 08:51:44 pm
Yeah, I know. What I mean is that if you have a departure from what your reader is probably expecting then you should have a reason for it (and perhaps even state the reason outright in the story, although you have to be a good writer to not make it seem like blatant setting exposition), even if it's just because it's cool or something.

I find the opposite to be true. Fiction, to me, is about subverting the audiences expectations. If you're going to go with the standard model I think you should have a reason for doing it and it should be clear to the reader.

Actually, that is muddled. You should just have a reason for everything in the story.

Another thing I want to mention: they don't have star fighters, so most combat is either dudes in bulky space suits grappling in slo-mo and using modified work tools to punch holes in the other guy's suit or giant mass drivers firing super-resilient pods full of boarding crews whilst missiles and gauss guns are firing.

This is awesome.

Also it reminds me of a story in Again Dangerous Visions, uh With the Bentfin Boomer Boys. I'm not sure if it even had combat that was about that because it was such a difficult read that I don't remember much other than the hilariously over-the-top racism. But if I recall spacewalk combat was mostly about suit punctures, which strikes me as realistic.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Mr_Ham97 on October 14, 2010, 09:21:01 pm
I find the opposite to be true. Fiction, to me, is about subverting the audiences expectations. If you're going to go with the standard model I think you should have a reason for doing it and it should be clear to the reader.

Actually, that is muddled. You should just have a reason for everything in the story.

Well yeah I love subversions and stuff but for example if your world is the standard high fantasy world (which I personally hate but hey a lot of people are better character writers than setting writers) but you call goblins "greedos" or something like that you should probably have an explanation as to why it's that way, especially if they are exactly like goblins in all other respects. You don't have to point out the explanation in the story specifically, but if you really can't think of a reason why you called them greedos in the first place (even "I think greedos sounds cooler" works) then well why couldn't you just call them goblins?

I guess we agree overall though because as you said everything in the story should have a reason to be there (a good one is preferable, however).


Acanthus, about when is your story set? I mean, there are a few (more than a few, but I'm generalizing) sci-fi eras so I'm just wondering which one yours is set in. For example, there's the "just found out there are aliens, woah space is a big place" era, the "members of the galactic council, hey look we have FTL travel now" era, and the "aw yeah b****es we're a galactic superpower, technology can do anything" era.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Iituem on October 16, 2010, 01:11:31 pm
Stating the setting and intent here right now so I have no choice but to follow up on it.

This NaNoWriMo, I will write a fan-fiction story in the Geneforge setting (see the Geneforge series by Jeff Vogel, creator of the Avernum/Exile and Nethergate series).  It will be set in classical Shaper society before the rebellions, and will focus around a Shaper school.

That is all for now.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Euld on October 31, 2010, 05:18:18 am
This shebang starts tomorrow.  50,000 words is 1666.6 words a day.  I'll be doing that Ragnarok Online fanfiction I've posted about elsewhere, after I fool around with it on sunday to fix the bigger problems, then it's first draft craziness the rest of the way.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Biag on November 01, 2010, 12:50:10 am
IT'SSSSSSSSSSSSSS TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME

Tweed jacket on my torso. Bow tie on my throat. Pet rock on my desk. IT'S PRETTY MUCH NANOWRIMO.

And then nanowrimo.org was down.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: mendonca on November 01, 2010, 08:15:39 am
I may as well commit to doing this in this thread, hopefully I can get somewhere with this but I definitely won't if I don't try!

Good luck people, as it is now past mid-day, I am now 833 words behind (at least).
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Cthulhu on November 01, 2010, 09:00:34 am
I'm thinking about writing a Dash Gunmetal novel, but writing it badly on purpose (What Dash Gunmetal was intended for) seems like cheating, and I highly doubt I can write a serious novel about a psychic vampire cowboy who's always wearing sunglasses, even after he takes them off.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Talanic on November 01, 2010, 12:29:25 pm
I am currently of the intent to write a book called Guardian.

You could think of it as a look behind the scenes of a video game, from the perspective one of the later bosses.  Something like that, at least.

This is mostly just to challenge me to get back to writing, as I've been busy with other stuff lately and need to get back in the zone.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Supermikhail on November 01, 2010, 12:34:17 pm
A book to get you back into writing? That's... cool, I guess. For me even a short story is a good enough exercise.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Fishbreath on November 01, 2010, 01:09:06 pm
Good luck to the lot of you. If I weren't traveling a bunch this month I would be joining in.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Talanic on November 01, 2010, 04:01:49 pm
Who knows?  It's just as likely to wind up as a short story, but if I can make myself write out a whole book, it's good practice.

Speaking of books, though, it's time to post another update!
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Willfor on November 01, 2010, 04:12:11 pm
http://altru.istic.net/nanowrimo/
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Flaming Dorf on November 01, 2010, 09:54:45 pm
http://altru.istic.net/nanowrimo/

I like this.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: sonerohi on November 01, 2010, 10:49:10 pm
The timer sears my soul. I plan on writing this year, but as a bet against my English teacher rather than actual part of the competition. I made a pretty good foray today. I've gotten about 2000 words and I lack a great loathing for most of it.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Nivim on November 01, 2010, 10:57:27 pm
 Yeah, the timer isn't always conducive to writing, considering it makes most people's brains turn off, even if it prevents procrastination. I find it odd people treat ~200 pages like a large amount, unless they only write on weekends.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Euld on November 01, 2010, 11:02:01 pm
I'm doing it to get myself started on writing for the first time.  I desperately need to write more, I actually have a degree in writing and people can kick my butt with their recreational writing.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Monsterfurby on November 02, 2010, 12:02:41 am
2874 done.. Pretty discouraging, considering I already had this story at around 12,000 when I decided to redo it entirely. Ah well, there's still plenty of time left in the month.

Also, next year, this forum should try to start a Dwarf-Fortress NaNoWriMo story. Cooperatively, maybe even as a writeup of a community fortress.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: qwertyuiopas on November 02, 2010, 12:36:48 am
You're lucky. I only just learned of this an hour or so ago, and really want to participate. You have a 24 hour advantage *and* a plot to start from.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Nivim on November 02, 2010, 12:41:22 am
I'm doing it to get myself started on writing for the first time.  I desperately need to write more, I actually have a degree in writing and people can kick my butt with their recreational writing.
  A thought: unless you're going to be writing about writing you shouldn't think about writing while you're writing. Most people doing writing for fun are going to have thoughts about their lives and the lives of others flying around, instead of thoughts about "writing". Of course, the good books are made by writers who combine the two states of mind (among other things). However, I don't quite know the minds behind masterwork books, but that is part of what makes them masterworks. The author doesn't exist in the world he makes, so why would you see anything about him?

 Also!
Quote
...has two theories about literature, and one set of instructions on how to write it.
    First theory: "The Cool Stuff Theory of Literature is as follows:
All literature consists of whatever the writer thinks is cool. The reader will like the book to the degree that he agrees with the writer about what's cool. And that works all the way from the external trappings to the level of metaphor, subtext, and the way one uses words. In other words, I happen not to think that full-plate armor and great big honking greatswords are cool. I don't like 'em. I like cloaks and rapiers. So I write stories with a lot of cloaks and rapiers in 'em, 'cause that's cool."
    Second theory: "The novel should be understood as a structure built to accommodate the greatest possible amount of cool stuff."
    How to write like [the author]: "It's really simple. What you do is put up a sign on whatever wall you face when you're writing. The sign says;
And now, I'm going to tell you something really cool.
Guess who.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Willfor on November 02, 2010, 12:44:44 am
-stuff-
Do tell, please. I saw that quote, and began spreading it around as something awesome, but I've never seen the attribution. I'd like to know who said it.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Nivim on November 02, 2010, 12:49:34 am
 Well, he made it clear he learned the sign from someone else. Perhaps Niel. Here's a link (http://dreamcafe.com/) on it.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Grakelin on November 02, 2010, 03:36:42 am
3,824 words so far.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Solifuge on November 02, 2010, 03:57:58 am
Tempted to join in, but I have so many irons in the fire already, plus school to worry about. I do have a neat little Soft SF idea I played with a few months back; something in the vein of Twilight Zone:

I'll weight my options tomorrow, though I'd have lots of words to catch up on if I were to start, and that would probably keep me from being able to run the Deserted Island Game I've been putting together to run here.

Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Fishbreath on November 02, 2010, 07:29:34 am
I'd read it. It's a wonderful asset, having dreams coherent enough to turn into stories. It usually takes a lot of polishing for me to even get a workable idea out of a dream, much less that much detail.

For those of you striving for victory, will we get to see excerpts and such here?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Talanic on November 02, 2010, 11:36:33 am
Okay, first 700 or so words of Guardian, just thrown out as an experiment. 

Spoiler: Guardian (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Vector on November 02, 2010, 01:28:46 pm
I'm considering it.  4532 words so far.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Grakelin on November 02, 2010, 11:57:12 pm
5891 words done.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Nivim on November 03, 2010, 12:18:34 am
[...]
  So many paragraphs for so few words on purpose? It doesn't look like it needs it for any reason.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: mendonca on November 03, 2010, 03:45:03 am
5891 words done.

Cool. You'll have it done for the weekend ...
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Talanic on November 03, 2010, 08:53:46 am
[...]
  So many paragraphs for so few words on purpose? It doesn't look like it needs it for any reason.

I suppose it's deliberate.  My style tends to be pretty sparse on description, resulting in fewer words per paragraph, and I change paragraph whenever there's any break in what I'm saying.  Makes it easier to follow with the eye, and when I started doing it, I got a number of compliments - that was about seven years back, and you're the first to comment on it since then.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Euld on November 04, 2010, 12:11:57 pm
Sitting at 4,699 words, need to be at 6800 by the end of today.  Then I'll be leaving for a four day trip :X  I really really don't want to fall behind...
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Vector on November 04, 2010, 12:54:05 pm
Writing an outline.  Oh god, it's 14 pages long and I'm only a third of the way through.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 04, 2010, 01:07:42 pm
Writing an outline.  Oh god, it's 14 pages long and I'm only a third of the way through.

Jeeesus. Does that include snippets about characters and settings or is it only a scene breakdown?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Vector on November 04, 2010, 01:41:45 pm
Jeeesus. Does that include snippets about characters and settings or is it only a scene breakdown?

Yeah, it has a lot of notes on the characters' internal reactions, whether or not is was raining, and so on.  There's even a description of someone's shirt cuff in there.  Dialogue.  It's a very fleshed-out skeleton of everything that happens, so that the direction and motivation of each scene are completely clear.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 04, 2010, 03:49:07 pm
Yeah, it has a lot of notes on the characters' internal reactions, whether or not is was raining, and so on.  There's even a description of someone's shirt cuff in there.  Dialogue.  It's a very fleshed-out skeleton of everything that happens, so that the direction and motivation of each scene are completely clear.

That's not bad then. If it was just scene by scene I was thinking "you're going for way more than 50k huh?"

My notes can get similarly unwieldy. I like to get down to the mechanics of the story. Why is it important this happened, what are the thematic implications, how does this relate to other events.

Then half of it gets cut.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Euld on November 04, 2010, 06:04:12 pm
I did this once.

Ended with a 50k word unreadable oh-god-what "novel" in which the descriptions of, well, everything were bloated as hell, a complete lack of pride, and an awful mindraping headache.
Although it's probably too late to suggest anything... I'd say you did a fine job.  Writing out a novella in a month will only get you a rough draft, you will have to put time into editing later.  If immediately editing is too painful, put said novel aside for a while (I personally say a month at the most, I've heard six months by others, but good grief I can't wait that long) and review it later after your emotional attachments have worn off.  The goal is to activate that part of the brain that says "this sucks! it would be a lot better if this was this and that was that," which is when you realize the first draft has a lot of potential.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Willfor on November 04, 2010, 07:22:19 pm
The writer's natural tendency is to eat their (written) child moments after its birth is complete. Unfortunately, that child must be raised (editted) and not eaten. The solution is what Euld suggested.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 04, 2010, 09:28:08 pm
Man this is fun as hell. I didn't think I could really do the novel I've been working on justice without more research, so I decided to go with a fanfiction* at the last minute. I haven't had this much fun writing since I was a kid. Which isn't to say that I don't enjoy it normally, but I'm never really able to turn my brain off and just go with it when I work on my own stuff. I don't even care that I'll only be at 45k by the end of the month at this rate. I'm enjoying myself too much.


*read: fan adaptation**
**read: blatant plagiarism
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Eugenitor on November 05, 2010, 04:38:50 am
No, Euld, you don't understand.

What I wrote was so horribly ill-conceived that it was unsalvageable, as a first draft or any draft. It wasn't even legendarily bad, or so bad it's good, or even so bad it's kinda funny. No. It was just bad, the kind of bad you get from people with assignments who don't want to do them anymore. Unless I find myself writing for someone I hate, I'm not ever writing like that again.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 08, 2010, 07:13:21 pm
I for one salute you. Admitting to yourself that something you've worked so hard to write is complete garbage takes a lot of courage. It's way easier to just say "It just needs a good edit." No, no it doesn't. It needs a good burning.

That's the paradox of Nanowrimo though. Writing is practice and the more you practice the better you get. But fiction in the long is so much harder to write than a short story that you're pretty much guaranteed to write something awful. So a lot of people are going to end up with trash, be disappointed in themselves, and never bother with the editing process. It's like trying to write a symphony because you can play a mean trombone, then burning the score without ever bothering to see if there's any part of it at all that you like. A lot of people aren't going to get anything out of Nano other than a 50k unfinished novel that they hate.

I have high expectations. I'm hoping to end up with a 40k finished novella that I'm embarrassed by.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Vector on November 08, 2010, 07:16:40 pm
I have 25,000 words of outline that I wrote over the past couple days.  Fuck me.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Solifuge on November 08, 2010, 07:20:50 pm
I believe NaNoWriMo has taken off down the road, and I'm way behind where I need to be to finish.

Time to Reappropriate some of that creative energy.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 08, 2010, 07:45:07 pm
I have 25,000 words of outline that I wrote over the past couple days.  Fuck me.

Lmao. Wow, I'm just edging over 10k in my story. Are finished with it yet?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Vector on November 08, 2010, 07:46:14 pm
I have 25,000 words of outline that I wrote over the past couple days.  Fuck me.

Lmao. Wow, I'm just edging over 10k in my story. Are finished with it yet?

Nope.  Getting close, though... I think I only have 10 more chapters to outline...

;^;
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 08, 2010, 07:55:49 pm
Nope.  Getting close, though... I think I only have 10 more chapters to outline...

;^;

Haha, sounds like you've fallen into the outline trap. You could just keep writing that until you get to 50k and be like "yes, it totally counts. ...bitches." But that's not very satisfying. Or you could just start writing now. 25k of outline should be more than enough to get you to 50k of story and once you get there you might find that you don't really need such an in-depth outline for the rest.

Then again, I doubt you'll have trouble hitting 100k by the end of the month if you're writing like that. Especially working from outline.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Talanic on November 08, 2010, 07:58:38 pm
Keep it up, guys!  I fell out pretty quick; my fragment there was all I wound up doing for NaNoWriMo, as I decided that I'm going to try to work on other projects.

Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Vector on November 08, 2010, 08:11:53 pm
Haha, sounds like you've fallen into the outline trap. You could just keep writing that until you get to 50k and be like "yes, it totally counts. ...bitches." But that's not very satisfying. Or you could just start writing now. 25k of outline should be more than enough to get you to 50k of story and once you get there you might find that you don't really need such an in-depth outline for the rest.

I've already written 5k of the rest of it.

It's not "the outline trap" because it's an assignment for a novel-writing course in college, so... I do actually have to finish, and he said "detailed outline."
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Willfor on November 08, 2010, 08:13:12 pm
All you need to do is write an extra word for every word of outline you've already written. :awesome:
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Vector on November 08, 2010, 08:29:56 pm
I... I'd probably be done if I were writing in complete sentences all the time >_>
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 08, 2010, 08:55:54 pm
It's not "the outline trap" because it's an assignment for a novel-writing course in college, so... I do actually have to finish, and he said "detailed outline."

Ahh, that's tough. I can't imagine writing an outline in such a way as to have it make sense for anyone but me. That'd require consistency and linearity.

"Gimme a second, I'm editing my outline."
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Vector on November 08, 2010, 08:58:09 pm
Doesn't help that I don't do outlines.  Ever.  Not even for essay courses.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Aqizzar on November 08, 2010, 09:10:08 pm
Thanks to the TVTropes plot generator, I have a really cool idea for a throwaway story full of meaningless symbolism and subdued humor.  I'm sure as Hell not going to write 50000 words in twenty one days, especially with three essays to write in the meantime, but I think I can take a serious crack at this.  Thanks peeps, for finally spurring me on to a hobby I can be proud of, and trying to write something I'd actually want to show other people.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Euld on November 11, 2010, 06:20:06 pm
Ugh, having a rough time.  I took four days to visit some friends, and naturally, I'm four days behind.  Currently sitting at 9,000 words, and I should have 18700 by now, ouch.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 11, 2010, 07:17:26 pm
Don't worry so much about it. The whole 50k thing is exceedingly arbitrary anyway. I figure if you end up finishing your novel in January you still won. Hell, if you end up writing 20 days of 30 you still won. Writing is the important part.

Besides, unless you're really serious about writing it should be more about enjoying yourself than beating yourself up for missing deadlines.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Talanic on November 12, 2010, 01:04:24 am
Heck, if I were you, I'd take my time, get it done by the end of January, and enter it into ABNA instead.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: fqllve on November 19, 2010, 11:00:58 pm
I wrote this today instead of my novel month novel. Partially out of penance.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Think I will burn the novel and continue this.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Muz on November 19, 2010, 11:52:35 pm
I'd be on this if I actually had something to write about. My thoughts don't translate well into text.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Willfor on November 28, 2010, 09:20:34 pm
I just hit 50,000 for the first time. I've tried for about three years now, and this is my first success.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: cowofdoom78963 on November 28, 2010, 10:00:33 pm
Damn. I'm a month late and 50,000 words short. I guess I am going to have to wait until next year to try this. :-[

Well I guess there are still 2 days left, but do I have the balls to write a 50,000 word novel in two days?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Supermikhail on November 29, 2010, 08:52:31 am
I just hit 50,000 for the first time. I've tried for about three years now, and this is my first success.
I don't think I can put it strongly enough, but I need to read it!
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Willfor on November 29, 2010, 10:01:49 am
I'm only comfortable with showing 40 pages of it, as most of the rest of it was frantic trying to get words on the page. I started this NaNo with an entirely different concept, and 10k words in realised that I couldn't bear writing it anymore. Since I was only 9 days in, I restarted. I wrote a total of around 60k words this month, and as I was also working full time it was rather harrowing. Most of it is utter dreck, but forms a skeleton for editing that I can work with.

I'll PM you with a link to what I am showing off from it because I am putting it somewhere I can keep a better amount of control over its visibility when I decide to upload it.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Supermikhail on November 29, 2010, 10:47:44 am
I'm looking forward to it!
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: mendonca on November 29, 2010, 11:39:45 am
Congratulations Willfor. Well done. I was working full time this month, and stumbled at 3000 words ...

I also would be interested in reading what you have done, so if you feel compelled to share please do. If not though, good luck in whipping it in to shape.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 29, 2010, 02:24:41 pm
As NaNoWriMo ends, I realize that I stopped working on my book as soon as it started and haven't worked on it since. I think you guys stole all my enthusiasm.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: AntiAntiMatter on November 29, 2010, 07:43:41 pm
I gave up at about 1300 words. Ah, well.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Graven on December 01, 2010, 05:50:42 am
Оh, there's a thread on this :) awesome! I just won yesterday :D I guess this is a link to my profile?
http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/630911

Anyway, the novel itself is horrible, I started writing on the 19th, and wrote the last 20 000 days from the 27th on. I started writing based on a single scene that came to my mind, but afterward had absolutely no idea how to develop it, and naturally came to hate both the plot and the characters. I had time to write only past midnight and had to do so at a speed of about 2000 - 3000 words per hour which left me very little time to actually think about what I was writing. Couple that with the fact I hadn't written in English in about 2 years, and the result is a horribly written mess.

But I've always been better at re-writing something than at writing it in the first place so this is a great victory for me :)

So, to make this post a bit less self-centric, do you plan on entering next year as well?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: AntiAntiMatter on December 01, 2010, 04:38:00 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: MrWiggles on December 01, 2010, 05:06:58 pm
Is it just me, or is the NaNo placed in the crappiest month?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Graven on December 01, 2010, 07:02:27 pm
Yeah, actually I expected it to be the best possible month for me - a month after we start uni, but a month before the exams start... only it seems every single possible task anyone could place on me felt the same way. Eh, it's over, at least - now I get a whole week of recuperating :)
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: MrWiggles on December 01, 2010, 07:05:07 pm
Yeah, actually I expected it to be the best possible month for me - a month after we start uni, but a month before the exams start... only it seems every single possible task anyone could place on me felt the same way. Eh, it's over, at least - now I get a whole week of recuperating :)

Its pretty bad month for me, but overall, at the start of the month is the recovery from a major holiday; Halloween. Then during November, you have Thanks Giving, a pretty moderate/bug holiday in it self, but with more logistical issue and right afterward is x-mas.

For myself, there is Thanks Giving, a birthday and LosCon. Those are all pretty big time syncs. Why couldn't it be in June?
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Grakelin on December 01, 2010, 10:44:22 pm
Lawl, Graven. You must be a first year student or something. November is traditionally reffered to as 'Hell Month' by one and all.
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Willfor on December 02, 2010, 01:10:22 am
I work retail. The only month worse for me than November is December. It's good thing that month is so far aw-- oh wait

 :(
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Graven on December 02, 2010, 09:28:34 am
Lawl, Graven. You must be a first year student or something. November is traditionally reffered to as 'Hell Month' by one and all.

Sorry to disappoint dude, third year :) My university usually distributes the misery along the entire semestre, this was the first year they decided November would be "Fuck the students month".

Other than that, I live in Bulgaria so Halloween is just something that floods the internet with pictures of sexy girls in slutty costumes, and we haven't really had anything to be thankful for in the last 100 years :) All in all, I really did expect it to be a more pleasant experience, but I'm glad to have succeeded. Now maybe next time I can actually start writing on time and get to write something I'm not ashamed of!
Title: Re: NaNoWriMo!
Post by: Euld on December 02, 2010, 12:07:44 pm
I stopped at 9,000.  Oh well, it was fun though.  I desperately want to write more, but now I have a job o_O