Post by: Argembarger on December 02, 2010, 04:59:49 pm
Initial post info BLATANTLY RIPPED OFF from previous BM games.
Welcome to Beginner's Mafia! This is the eighteenth run of our Beginner's Mafia series. (We can finally vote! wooooo)
In Beginner's Mafia, you will be pitted up with a Town IC (Inexperienced Challenged) who will help you play the game, and will be just as clueless, if not more so, about the setup as you, and a Mafia IC, who will be helping out the Mafia.
In Mafia, you are divided into two parts: Town and Mafia:
If you are Town, your goal is to lynch the Mafia. You do this by convincing others that one of the group is scum, and getting enough votes on them to lynch them. The Town does not know who else is Town.
If you are Mafia, your goal is to kill off the Town until there is an equal number of them to you by getting them to lynch other Town or by killing them. You are given a kill each Night to kill any player in the game. All the Mafia members know each other, and can communicate privately.
Each Day, everyone votes to lynch a player. Vote for a player by posting their name in red. You may change your vote at any time, remove your vote, or vote for No Lynch. Each Night, you send in your actions. The cycle continues until one side wins. Days are 72 hours and nights are 24 hours. Weekends count for zero hours.
Game rules:
- You may not PM other players. The mafia will have a place to talk to themselves.
- Never edit your posts, even to fix typos! If you make a mistake, just double post- it's permitted here. I recommend using the preview button every time you post.
- Never quote your role PM or any other PM sent to you by the mod.
- If you need more time to discuss, you may ask for an extension. If 1/3 of players ask for one, the day will be extended by 24 hours.
- Please don't forget about this game if you sign up! If you cannot continue playing, please ask for a replacement! I will prod you via PM if you do not post in around 36-48 hours to remind you that this game exists!
- Never underestimate your importance, and always play to win!
In this setup, there are the possibility of extra roles. These roles are Cop and Doctor for Town, and Roleblocker and Godfather for Mafia.
- A Cop inspects any player at Night. They are told that player's alignment.
- A Doctor may protect any player at Night. This stops that player from being killed.
- A Roleblocker stops an extra role from using an action. This stops Doctors and Cops but does nothing for Townies.
- A Godfather makes Cops get Town for their alignment, instead of Mafia.
There is a 50% chance for any of these roles to show up. It is possible to end up with no extra roles.
Extensions require support from at least 33% of the players. You may oppose extensions as well, which cancels out an extension request. For example, if there were five players, with two requesting and one opposing, there would be no extension. (2-1 = 1 of 5, which is 20%)
Please bold requests/opposition to extensions, or Mod/my name if you want to ask me a question in-thread. (IE: Mod: I have a question!)
Players:
Akigagak- Normal Townie, lynched Day 1Lordnincompoop- Normal Townie, killed Night 1Mindmaker---> Zombie Lordnincompoop - Town Doctor, killed Game EndMuz--->Zrk2- Town Cop, Lynched Day 3- NativeForeigner - Normal Townie, killed Game End
- Ottofar - Normal Townie, killed Game End
- Taco Dan - Mafia Roleblocker, won!
Trollan--->KaminaSquirtle- Normal Townie, Killed Night 2- Warhammer651 - Mafia Godfather, won!
Player Replacement Queue - (1)
Azure Sepulchre
Town IC:
Toaster
Mafia IC:
IronyOwl
Helpful Links and Other Info:
Our own Bay12 Mafia tutorial (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0)
The Mafiascum wiki. Lots of theory, terminology, and game analysis. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
An Interactive Flash tutorial by one of the Mafiascum.net people. Helpful visualization! (http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf)
Spoiler: Dakarian's Scumhunting Bible, reposted here for your convenience (click to show/hide)
If you're still confused, join anyhow and we'll teach you!
And if you have any other questions, just ask.
Day One Beginning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72178.msg1790826#msg1790826)
Day One Ending and Day Two Beginning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72178.msg1809661#msg1809661)
Day Two Ending and Day Three Beginning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72178.msg1835891#msg1835891)
Day Three Ending, Game Over (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72178.msg1847353#msg1847353)
Post by: Zathras on December 02, 2010, 05:15:13 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 02, 2010, 05:18:06 pm
All hail your doubleplusgood game moderator!
Post by: Mindmaker on December 02, 2010, 05:55:40 pm
Let the replacement-orgy begin!
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 02, 2010, 06:18:52 pm
Post by: Flintus10 on December 02, 2010, 06:50:07 pm
Post by: Vector on December 02, 2010, 08:04:36 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 04, 2010, 02:53:44 am
Woo yay this'll be fun.
Post by: Argembarger on December 04, 2010, 02:03:11 pm
Maybe Beginners Mafias should be referenced elsewhere in the forums, like Other Games or something.
Post by: Vector on December 04, 2010, 05:34:02 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 04, 2010, 05:41:02 pm
Post by: Ottofar on December 05, 2010, 08:54:39 am
Post by: Muz on December 06, 2010, 01:55:19 am
Haven't played much before, you guys might have to guide me around a little :P
Post by: Vector on December 06, 2010, 03:04:04 am
In.
Haven't played much before, you guys might have to guide me around a little :P
Yay, it's Muz!
Post by: Toaster on December 06, 2010, 11:24:34 am
You saw nothing; we've always been at war with Eastasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastasia_(Nineteen_Eighty-Four)#Eastasia) and so on... Obviously 18 is XVIII, 19 is XIX, 20 is XX...
Wish I had thought of that one! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=70902.msg1757764#msg1757764)
I could IC, but since I haven't done it before, take other volunteers before me.
Post by: Argembarger on December 06, 2010, 03:25:19 pm
Not that I'm really one to decide how many games is enough to be an IC. I mean, I haven't even technically played a game through all the way yet, myself.
As far as I know, we can have multiple ICs on both sides, so you're welcome to join even if we get more qualified folks later.
If you actually want to IC, do you want to IC town or mafia?
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 04:10:58 pm
Erm, well, how many games have you been in?Toaster's a solid player, he'd be a good IC.
Quote from: Arg
I mean, I haven't even technically played a game through all the way yet, myself.Sure you did, you played VM5 through to its sad conclusion. Too bad it ended with a shotgun at your chest, though. 8-P
Post by: Vector on December 06, 2010, 04:28:15 pm
If you actually want to IC, do you want to IC town or mafia?
He should IC Town. From my experience with him, both on scumteams and off, he's a very strong town player but his scum game is on the weak side.
I say he should IC town especially because he's good at figuring out which questions to ask, which is a skill the newbies have been missing recently.
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 04:38:07 pm
He should IC Town. From my experience with him, both on scumteams and off, he's a very strong town player but his scum game is on the weak side.
Far be it from me to disagree with Vector, but Toaster was my scumbuddy in VM2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68141.0), and he did beautifully; even getting Pandar to say with 100% confidence "Toaster is town!"
But not my bailiwick, though, so I'll shut up now.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 06, 2010, 04:54:39 pm
Post by: Vector on December 06, 2010, 04:55:21 pm
It's a mentor for a particular team in the game.
Post by: Toaster on December 06, 2010, 11:08:52 pm
Thanks for the props, Zath, but you did all the hard work on VM2.
Post by: Argembarger on December 06, 2010, 11:52:17 pm
Vector, any chance of you ICing too, or will you be too busy in the math palace?
Post by: Vector on December 07, 2010, 12:59:50 am
Vector, any chance of you ICing too, or will you be too busy in the math palace?
It'd be a heck of a lot better if you could get someone else to IC. In a pinch, I could help out the scumteam a little, but I don't have an internet connection and am in two mafia games (the bastard mod running here and something over at xkcd).
Meh. Put me in temporarily, I guess.
Post by: Flintus10 on December 07, 2010, 06:37:15 am
Post by: Vector on December 07, 2010, 06:47:49 am
Ah I am going to be going away for a week in two days so not sure if I will be able to play this game sorry :(
Probably not going to fill that fast >_>
Post by: Flintus10 on December 07, 2010, 02:33:25 pm
Post by: Trollan on December 08, 2010, 12:02:21 am
Post by: Akigagak on December 08, 2010, 04:15:46 am
Post by: Argembarger on December 08, 2010, 08:52:25 am
Flintus: I'm not sure if the sign ups will last for a whole week from now, but you are free to join the replacement queue at any rate after we start.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 08, 2010, 06:33:38 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 08, 2010, 06:37:55 pm
Guess I should finish up my preparations and flavor and such...
Post by: warhammer651 on December 10, 2010, 06:55:15 am
Post by: Vector on December 10, 2010, 06:59:40 am
I don't think we'll be getting a ninth person
We're going to wait until there's 9, then. It takes some time.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 10, 2010, 07:03:06 am
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 09:02:31 am
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 11:01:33 am
We still need a Mafia IC, though.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 10, 2010, 02:02:35 pm
Vector, any chance of you ICing too, or will you be too busy in the math palace?
It'd be a heck of a lot better if you could get someone else to IC. In a pinch, I could help out the scumteam a little, but I don't have an internet connection and am in two mafia games (the bastard mod running here and something over at xkcd).
Meh. Put me in temporarily, I guess.
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 02:06:48 pm
I mean, that's fine. We can always get more later. Multiple IC's are allowed anyway, IIRC.
Alright, I should get the PMs out tonight, although I may be a bit busy with moving back home for the winter break.
Should be tonight, though. If it isn't, SORRY GUYS.
Post by: IronyOwl on December 10, 2010, 06:29:28 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 09:04:30 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 10:08:09 pm
You step outside and cross your well-manicured front lawn to your gleaming mailbox and retrieve the morning paper, The Joyful Times. You head back into your house and sit down with a perfectly-toasted bagel to read about miraculous breakthroughs in science, upcoming exhibitions of culture and sport, and the news from around the world. Actually, you tend to skim over that last part; since every nation on Earth settled their differences and brought about World Peace, there have been few interesting articles in the World News section, just the usual peace and harmony.
As you unfold the paper to dig in, you are shocked by the headlines.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x302/johnsmitherson/newspaper.jpg)
You head outside for a second look, and sure enough, police are stationed right across the street. You're in the quarantined zone! With Mafia members!? Egads!
Better find these ruthless ragamuffins and deal with them, Happytown style, before they ruin everything!
IT IS DAY ONE
Day One will end Wednesday, December 15, at 10:00 PM EST!
Post by: warhammer651 on December 10, 2010, 10:30:05 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 10:31:56 pm
Spoiler: As much as I hate to spoil the magic, (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 11:41:23 pm
Task one: Read Dak's Scumhunting Guide in the first post of this thread if you haven't already done so.
Task two: If it's your first game here, I highly recommend reading over a couple of older games here. The Notable Games Archives (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64229.0) has some good ones.
Task three: Get talking! This is really the most important step. The more you get people to talk, the better read you can get on them. Look for slips, signs of behind-the-scenes coordination, or logic errors! Asking questions is the best thing you can do. Remember, how someone answers is as important as the answer itself.
Finally, have fun, and always play to win.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 11, 2010, 04:13:10 am
Post by: warhammer651 on December 11, 2010, 10:49:24 am
Post by: Trollan on December 11, 2010, 11:08:44 am
So Trollan, where have you played your past games and how have they been?
I have played a few forum mafia games on Poxnora, and those games have been crazy and more focused on role playing, but I also have played quite a bit on Epicmafia, which is quite different in the fact that is in real time.
Taco Dan,what other games have you played in?
Post by: Mindmaker on December 11, 2010, 11:09:42 am
It was the last Beginner's Mafia game, in fact.
Hasn't been all I had hoped for.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 11, 2010, 11:37:07 am
Post by: Muz on December 11, 2010, 12:26:26 pm
I'd pick out a random target early and give him enough time to defend himself before nightfall. Trollan, as your name was mentioned first, give us a good reason why you shouldn't be the first target.
Post by: Muz on December 11, 2010, 01:30:05 pm
Post by: warhammer651 on December 11, 2010, 01:46:25 pm
On the other hand, he could be a great asset to us townies because of that experience.
of course, Now that I've pointed that out he's probably been bumped up on the mafia's priority list.
Post by: Zrk2 on December 11, 2010, 02:22:50 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 11, 2010, 02:26:32 pm
May I join?
Sorry, we already started.
Post by: Toaster on December 11, 2010, 02:38:06 pm
May I join?
It's already started, but follow along- another game will open up soon enough, or a replacement player may be needed for this one.
Post by: Argembarger on December 11, 2010, 02:41:16 pm
Beginner's Mafias tend to be replacement-heavy to my knowledge
Post by: Mindmaker on December 11, 2010, 02:56:06 pm
Why not?
Constant replacing of players, mostly.
I'd have needed a sheet of paper, just to keep track of which player became who and what he did before.
Fairness demands, that you give freshly exchanged players the benefit of doubt, which can be quite deadly.
Meta-arguments are pretty lame, Warhammer.
Some would even go as far, as to call it scummy.
Furthermore, you're just pointing out some stuff and without asking any questions.
Is this supposed to be an addition to Muzs post?
Post by: warhammer651 on December 11, 2010, 03:51:59 pm
That said, I'm not entirely sure how I'm figure out who is and is not mafia/scum without meta based arguments.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 11, 2010, 04:06:38 pm
I just wanted to point out, that from what I heard, its not unusual for players to create accounts, solely for the purpose of playing mafia.
Additionally, I don't see how this would be a scumtell.
Post by: Trollan on December 11, 2010, 04:10:17 pm
Unvote.
I just wanted to point out, that from what I heard, its not unusual for players to create accounts, solely for the purpose of playing mafia.
Additionally, I don't see how this would be a scumtell.
This. on multiple forums (including this one) i have made account JUST for the purpose or having fun unrelated to the actual game/site/whatever.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 11, 2010, 04:17:32 pm
I see. I've actually never heard of someone doing that on any of the forums I've been on. My apologies.
Post by: Muz on December 11, 2010, 04:34:01 pm
Post by: warhammer651 on December 11, 2010, 04:46:37 pm
Post by: Ottofar on December 11, 2010, 04:54:14 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 11, 2010, 08:17:14 pm
I would IC, but I don't feel like I have experience yet, so I'll leave that to players who are better than I.
I'll be cheering you on, town! We need a beginner's town win one of these days.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 11, 2010, 09:02:24 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 11, 2010, 09:03:34 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 11, 2010, 09:14:03 pm
Hmm.. if you quote an unvote, does it count as an unvote? :P
No, you have to explicitly vote or unvote outside of quotes for it to count.
Post by: Toaster on December 12, 2010, 12:14:34 am
Unvote.
I just wanted to point out, that from what I heard, its not unusual for players to create accounts, solely for the purpose of playing mafia.
Additionally, I don't see how this would be a scumtell.
This. on multiple forums (including this one) i have made account JUST for the purpose or having fun unrelated to the actual game/site/whatever.
A word of warning- someone got banned here recently for doing just that.
Post by: Trollan on December 12, 2010, 01:17:38 am
:o well, now that i have updated my computer to be able to run Dwarf fortress, I guess that will work for the time being. i am quite confused on why there is that rule in the first place. I understand they dont want armies of random people screwing this up, but unless loads of people are like "i'm bored, I will go invade the forums for something called Dwarf fortress.", i dont think many people will find this. the only reason I did was because I searched roll to dodge on google, and after five pages of nothing, i found this.Unvote.
I just wanted to point out, that from what I heard, its not unusual for players to create accounts, solely for the purpose of playing mafia.
Additionally, I don't see how this would be a scumtell.
This. on multiple forums (including this one) i have made account JUST for the purpose or having fun unrelated to the actual game/site/whatever.
A word of warning- someone got banned here recently for doing just that.
Post by: Argembarger on December 12, 2010, 01:22:09 am
////////////////////////////////
Taco Dan (1) == [Trollan]
lordnincompoop (1) == [Muz]
Muz (1) == [NativeForeigner]
Not Voting: Akigagak, Flintus10, lordnincompoop, Mindmaker, Taco Dan, warhammer651
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Day Ends Wednesday, December 15, @ 10:00 PM EST
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 12, 2010, 04:48:25 am
Post by: Argembarger on December 12, 2010, 06:36:14 am
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 12, 2010, 06:46:08 am
:o well, now that i have updated my computer to be able to run Dwarf fortress, I guess that will work for the time being. i am quite confused on why there is that rule in the first place. I understand they dont want armies of random people screwing this up, but unless loads of people are like "i'm bored, I will go invade the forums for something called Dwarf fortress.", i dont think many people will find this. the only reason I did was because I searched roll to dodge on google, and after five pages of nothing, i found this.Unvote.
I just wanted to point out, that from what I heard, its not unusual for players to create accounts, solely for the purpose of playing mafia.
Additionally, I don't see how this would be a scumtell.
This. on multiple forums (including this one) i have made account JUST for the purpose or having fun unrelated to the actual game/site/whatever.
A word of warning- someone got banned here recently for doing just that.
It's because people can use alts to troll/harass other people and evade bans, mutes etc.
Oh, and I'll vote for Muz for weak reasoning and indecisiveness.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 12, 2010, 07:00:15 am
Post by: Muz on December 12, 2010, 08:56:29 am
Wait, nevermind, just read where you changed your vote. But still, what's your previous Mafia experience?
Only in 2 party games, and one other forum game, got killed in all, so they don't count for much :P
In my experience, the mafia gets an advantage when they have a reason to lurk, where everyone is being quiet and lurkers don't get called out. It's in their best interest not to see suspicious people getting lynched. They'll try to delay or derail the topic long enough to keep people from sniffing them out.
And it's in my best interest to keep the pressure on everyone until the real mafia cracks. Lying is a lot more difficult than telling the truth and the true mafia should be visible after enough time.
Which is why I'm encouraging everyone to vote for lordnincompoop, until he gives some compelling argument why we shouldn't take him down. He's only been dodging and making off-topic conversations since the start of the game.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 12, 2010, 10:01:06 am
Additionally there are at least 3 people lurking here.
I'll be asking them some question later today.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 12, 2010, 11:57:02 am
It's true that lordnincompoop hasn't answered his question yet.
What question?
Oh, wow, the 72 hours is a little long. The weekend makes it ultra long :PWait, nevermind, just read where you changed your vote. But still, what's your previous Mafia experience?
Only in 2 party games, and one other forum game, got killed in all, so they don't count for much :P
In my experience, the mafia gets an advantage when they have a reason to lurk, where everyone is being quiet and lurkers don't get called out. It's in their best interest not to see suspicious people getting lynched. They'll try to delay or derail the topic long enough to keep people from sniffing them out.
And it's in my best interest to keep the pressure on everyone until the real mafia cracks. Lying is a lot more difficult than telling the truth and the true mafia should be visible after enough time.
Which is why I'm encouraging everyone to vote for lordnincompoop, until he gives some compelling argument why we shouldn't take him down. He's only been dodging and making off-topic conversations since the start of the game.
I just browsed through the last 4 pages of this topic and I have seen no questions posed to me, so how could I possibly be dodging anything?
I have also asked 2 questions. All of these are on-topic; the first was related to Mindmaker's experience with the game and how his games went. The second was regarding game mechanics, which is perfectly on-topic. The few "conversations" I have made (which consisted of a question and an answer) were brief and succinct, and I have difficulty believing that these were in any way distracting. If this is actually the case, then quite a few of you would be suspect.
Muz, I continue to be suspicious of you. So far you have been making random jabs at people, and the arguments you have provided were either weak and incoherent or outright fabrication.
EDIT: Typo.
Post by: Ottofar on December 12, 2010, 12:22:56 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 12, 2010, 12:23:37 pm
Can't do anything about that now, then.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 12, 2010, 03:25:42 pm
It's true that lordnincompoop hasn't answered his question yet.What question?
Whoops.
He was asking someone else a question and then suddenly changed the vote on you.
So yes it was more of an accusation, then a question, but it looks like you finally reacted to it.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 12, 2010, 03:54:16 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on December 12, 2010, 04:31:27 pm
Same goes for TacoDan and Flintus.
Post by: Muz on December 12, 2010, 04:57:23 pm
I just browsed through the last 4 pages of this topic and I have seen no questions posed to me, so how could I possibly be dodging anything?
I have also asked 2 questions. All of these are on-topic; the first was related to Mindmaker's experience with the game and how his games went. The second was regarding game mechanics, which is perfectly on-topic. The few "conversations" I have made (which consisted of a question and an answer) were brief and succinct, and I have difficulty believing that these were in any way distracting. If this is actually the case, then quite a few of you would be suspect.
Muz, I continue to be suspicious of you. So far you have been making random jabs at people, and the arguments you have provided were either weak and incoherent or outright fabrication.
The game mechanics stuff wouldn't count for anything, they're fine, so we'll ignore them. The first question had little to do with the game. It puts you as a semi-lurker, as everyone's been trying to sniff out the mafia from the start. What made it more suspicious was that you've ignored the accusation for a while, even though you've posted on the same page.
Would you mind telling me which parts of my arguments were incoherent or fabrication? Because if my arguments were fabricated or falsified, it would highlight me as scum.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 12, 2010, 05:25:51 pm
Quote
In my experience, the mafia gets an advantage when they have a reason to lurk, where everyone is being quiet and lurkers don't get called out. It's in their best interest not to see suspicious people getting lynched. They'll try to delay or derail the topic long enough to keep people from sniffing them out.
While this is true, it's also true that some more experienced scum will try to be as active as possible to come off as town. So until someone starts to slip with a poor NK or slip-of-the-tongue (or fingers, I guess), it's difficult to pin down scum just based on their level of activity.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 12, 2010, 07:41:24 pm
Post by: Trollan on December 12, 2010, 08:00:22 pm
Post by: Taco Dan on December 12, 2010, 09:35:27 pm
in another beginner's mafia (I don't remember which one) and Salad Mafia, both of which I sucked at,. So really I'm trying not to make the same mistakes again.
Oh, and I'll vote for Muz for weak reasoning and indecisiveness.Hmm... indecisiveness... I'm pretty sure you just voted on him for not making up his mind. I don't really think that's a good reason. lordnincompoop, I'll be watching you...
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 13, 2010, 12:26:33 pm
I just browsed through the last 4 pages of this topic and I have seen no questions posed to me, so how could I possibly be dodging anything?
I have also asked 2 questions. All of these are on-topic; the first was related to Mindmaker's experience with the game and how his games went. The second was regarding game mechanics, which is perfectly on-topic. The few "conversations" I have made (which consisted of a question and an answer) were brief and succinct, and I have difficulty believing that these were in any way distracting. If this is actually the case, then quite a few of you would be suspect.
Muz, I continue to be suspicious of you. So far you have been making random jabs at people, and the arguments you have provided were either weak and incoherent or outright fabrication.
The game mechanics stuff wouldn't count for anything, they're fine, so we'll ignore them. The first question had little to do with the game. It puts you as a semi-lurker, as everyone's been trying to sniff out the mafia from the start. What made it more suspicious was that you've ignored the accusation for a while, even though you've posted on the same page.
Would you mind telling me which parts of my arguments were incoherent or fabrication? Because if my arguments were fabricated or falsified, it would highlight me as scum.
Yes, yes it would Muz. Would you mind telling me where I dodged and stared random conversations, then? Since clearly the questions and answers don't count. As for the accusation, I didn't have much to say to it so I kept my mouth shut.
I didn't really see how asking the type of questions we did at the start would relate to sniffing out scum, which is probably why I'm being called a lurker.
QuoteIn my experience, the mafia gets an advantage when they have a reason to lurk, where everyone is being quiet and lurkers don't get called out. It's in their best interest not to see suspicious people getting lynched. They'll try to delay or derail the topic long enough to keep people from sniffing them out.
While this is true, it's also true that some more experienced scum will try to be as active as possible to come off as town. So until someone starts to slip with a poor NK or slip-of-the-tongue (or fingers, I guess), it's difficult to pin down scum just based on their level of activity.
A what?
Oh, and what do the blue names mean? :-\
Post by: Argembarger on December 13, 2010, 12:40:44 pm
Oh, and what do the blue names mean? :-\
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Finger_Of_Suspicion (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Finger_Of_Suspicion)
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 13, 2010, 12:54:18 pm
Post by: Ottofar on December 13, 2010, 01:47:56 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on December 13, 2010, 01:49:44 pm
Two people still haven't posted a single thing.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 13, 2010, 01:51:28 pm
Post by: Taco Dan on December 13, 2010, 02:23:48 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 13, 2010, 02:32:54 pm
Oh and whatever it is between you two, Lordnin and Muz, I hope it doesn't devolve into something similar as Ottofar vs Elegy in the last beginners mafia.
What happened? Thread's 40 pages. :-\
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 13, 2010, 02:36:37 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on December 13, 2010, 02:52:05 pm
A silly little quarrel, where both sides decided to be stubborn, only giving curt answers to justify their votes.Oh and whatever it is between you two, Lordnin and Muz, I hope it doesn't devolve into something similar as Ottofar vs Elegy in the last beginners mafia.
What happened? Thread's 40 pages. :-\
It was the perfect diversion for the mafia to act.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 13, 2010, 04:48:35 pm
Well, if this has two mafia, as I assume, we have a mislynch, so I believe we should not waste it. If automatically using a mislynch is not a common practice, i am sorry, but the playstyle over at epicmafia always has people randomly lynching. Going off that, warhammer651. I will be keeping my vote on Taco Dan until they reply to my satisfaction.The reason I'm going for a no lynch is because (from a complete and utter newbie to this' perspective(and where the hell should that possessive apostrophe go anyways?)) we just can't afford it. There's what, like 2 mafia out of nine people? Our odds of getting one of them on the first night aren't good so we'll wind up lynching a townie, or worse someone with an ability that would help things out a lot like the cop. Then the Mafia gets to kill someone as well and we've lost two townies/ potential helpful roles.
Post by: Vector on December 13, 2010, 04:50:08 pm
I wish the best of luck to the scumteam and IronyOwl.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 13, 2010, 06:56:23 pm
We have a, what? 1/9 chance of lynching a cop? Besides, what's to say mafia kills the cop during the night, it wouldn't have mattered who we lynched, no cop. And, we've got Akigagak, who still hasn't posted.Well, if this has two mafia, as I assume, we have a mislynch, so I believe we should not waste it. If automatically using a mislynch is not a common practice, i am sorry, but the playstyle over at epicmafia always has people randomly lynching. Going off that, warhammer651. I will be keeping my vote on Taco Dan until they reply to my satisfaction.The reason I'm going for a no lynch is because (from a complete and utter newbie to this' perspective(and where the hell should that possessive apostrophe go anyways?)) we just can't afford it. There's what, like 2 mafia out of nine people? Our odds of getting one of them on the first night aren't good so we'll wind up lynching a townie, or worse someone with an ability that would help things out a lot like the cop. Then the Mafia gets to kill someone as well and we've lost two townies/ potential helpful roles.
A no lynch instead of an extension would be a bad idea. Now, if we get the extension, and then we have a good reason for a no lynch, I will vote NL, but right now we've got no other reason.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 13, 2010, 07:02:02 pm
I see your point Unvote. Though as of yet I am still uncertain who to lynchWe have a, what? 1/9 chance of lynching a cop? Besides, what's to say mafia kills the cop during the night, it wouldn't have mattered who we lynched, no cop. And, we've got Akigagak, who still hasn't posted.Well, if this has two mafia, as I assume, we have a mislynch, so I believe we should not waste it. If automatically using a mislynch is not a common practice, i am sorry, but the playstyle over at epicmafia always has people randomly lynching. Going off that, warhammer651. I will be keeping my vote on Taco Dan until they reply to my satisfaction.The reason I'm going for a no lynch is because (from a complete and utter newbie to this' perspective(and where the hell should that possessive apostrophe go anyways?)) we just can't afford it. There's what, like 2 mafia out of nine people? Our odds of getting one of them on the first night aren't good so we'll wind up lynching a townie, or worse someone with an ability that would help things out a lot like the cop. Then the Mafia gets to kill someone as well and we've lost two townies/ potential helpful roles.
A no lynch instead of an extension would be a bad idea. Now, if we get the extension, and then we have a good reason for a no lynch, I will vote NL, but right now we've got no other reason.
Post by: Trollan on December 13, 2010, 07:17:24 pm
I see your point Unvote. Though as of yet I am still uncertain who to lynchWe have a, what? 1/9 chance of lynching a cop? Besides, what's to say mafia kills the cop during the night, it wouldn't have mattered who we lynched, no cop. And, we've got Akigagak, who still hasn't posted.Well, if this has two mafia, as I assume, we have a mislynch, so I believe we should not waste it. If automatically using a mislynch is not a common practice, i am sorry, but the playstyle over at epicmafia always has people randomly lynching. Going off that, warhammer651. I will be keeping my vote on Taco Dan until they reply to my satisfaction.The reason I'm going for a no lynch is because (from a complete and utter newbie to this' perspective(and where the hell should that possessive apostrophe go anyways?)) we just can't afford it. There's what, like 2 mafia out of nine people? Our odds of getting one of them on the first night aren't good so we'll wind up lynching a townie, or worse someone with an ability that would help things out a lot like the cop. Then the Mafia gets to kill someone as well and we've lost two townies/ potential helpful roles.
A no lynch instead of an extension would be a bad idea. Now, if we get the extension, and then we have a good reason for a no lynch, I will vote NL, but right now we've got no other reason.
Okay, I am glad this got sorted out, but just offering my perspective.
As to the lynching doc/cop thing there is also a 50 % chance cop is even in this, so it is a 1/18 chance we kill them, if they are even here. If my math is correct, it is a 1/9 chance to lynch a power role. also, i find in setups where there could be a random lynch, it always helps because either: a) scum gets nailed early, or there is one less person to guess out of. plus, it could also possibly eliminate any potential weak points like lurkers, very scummy people, and the occasional troll. Just my two cents here.
Post by: Toaster on December 13, 2010, 09:20:03 pm
Even if you have no leads, you still want to lynch on D1. Even if a players flips town after being lynched, there is much to be learned from the mistake. That person's words can be taken as good intentioned (though not necessarily correct!) Conversely, you don't want to vote someone for the *sole* reason that they voted for town- even townies make mistakes. Rather, look for poor reasoning given to vote for that person- it could be a sign of a scum player bandwagonning that player- a vote just because that person was getting votes.
Remember, the scum cannot single-handedly control the votes- they have to mislead others and persuade others to their thinking.
If that's not a good explanation, let me know and I'll try to clarify.
Post by: Argembarger on December 13, 2010, 09:27:14 pm
Sorry, dudes, I can't IC for this (not that I really was in the first place). I just discovered that I'll be without internet for the next month.5, and my mentor is really, really sick. I have other responsibilities now, unfortunately.
I wish the best of luck to the scumteam and IronyOwl.
Well, thanks for holding the fort until IronyOwl came in.
Hope everything turns out OK for you!
Post by: Mindmaker on December 14, 2010, 02:24:07 am
After all they could be lurking scum, watching the townies hanging themselves.
So they either have to show up soon, or we need to replace them fast.
On another note:
We still lack one vote for an extension.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 14, 2010, 03:00:25 am
I really wanna hear from these lurkers, Akigakak and Flintus, before the day ends.
Post by: Argembarger on December 14, 2010, 08:32:21 am
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Akigagak (2) == [Mindmaker, Taco Dan]
Taco Dan (1) == [Trollan]
lordnincompoop (1) == [Muz]
Muz (1) == [lordnincompoop]
Extension (3)
Not Voting: Akigagak, Flintus10, warhammer651, NativeForeigner
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Extension Granted!
Day Ends Thursday, December 16, @ 10:00 PM EST
Extension requests and objections can still be given before the original deadline, Dec. 15 @ 10:00
What is this I don't even...Oh wow did I seriously put Flintus in the actual game wow I derped pretty hard there I thought I just put him in the replacement queue...
um, er... uh... he'll hopefully be back in a couple of days so...
uh...
let's call it an Interactive Lurker Learning Experience and pretend I did it on purpose.
Akigagak, however, has been prodded.
Post by: Muz on December 14, 2010, 09:09:42 am
Yes, yes it would Muz. Would you mind telling me where I dodged and stared random conversations, then? Since clearly the questions and answers don't count. As for the accusation, I didn't have much to say to it so I kept my mouth shut.
I didn't really see how asking the type of questions we did at the start would relate to sniffing out scum, which is probably why I'm being called a lurker.
Ok, since it's a beginner game, I guess it's a valid argument.
Admittedly, I was much more suspicious after warhammer651 defended lordnincompoop. If one of them is scum, the other might be.
We have a, what? 1/9 chance of lynching a cop? Besides, what's to say mafia kills the cop during the night, it wouldn't have mattered who we lynched, no cop. And, we've got Akigagak, who still hasn't posted.
A no lynch instead of an extension would be a bad idea. Now, if we get the extension, and then we have a good reason for a no lynch, I will vote NL, but right now we've got no other reason.
I'm assuming that there's 1-3 mafia in the game; 4 would be inbalanced. Killing at random now means between a 1/3 to a 1/9 chance of hitting a mafia. There's a 2/3 chance of hitting an innocent, but we'll still get information from it. I don't think we'll hit a cop or doctor, because either of these roles will out themselves if they're a serious threat of being lynched.
Unvote for now, but I want to see what Akigagak and Flintus have to say.
Post by: Toaster on December 14, 2010, 11:02:49 am
I'm assuming that there's 1-3 mafia in the game; 4 would be inbalanced. Killing at random now means between a 1/3 to a 1/9 chance of hitting a mafia. There's a 2/3 chance of hitting an innocent, but we'll still get information from it. I don't think we'll hit a cop or doctor, because either of these roles will out themselves if they're a serious threat of being lynched.
There are always two mafia in a beginner's game.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 14, 2010, 11:03:48 am
Admittedly, I was much more suspicious after warhammer651 defended lordnincompoop. If one of them is scum, the other might be.
???
I must be blind, because I didn't see that happening.
Post by: Akigagak on December 14, 2010, 01:29:31 pm
Haven't been online much, been dealing with real life crap, and when I have been online I didn't feel like reading 2-3 pages of inane blather and finger-pointing. Still don't really, but ah well.
Muz: You're jumping to a lot of conclusions for Day 1 shenanigans in a newbies game. I'll point out this isn't in defense of anyone, just that over-aggressive finger-pointing on the first day just screams a newbie scum trying to point blame on other people. Dak's guide taken into account, you're being too quick to sling accusations at people.
Those that are voting for me for inactivity: Does my inactivity seem scummy at all? You can say it does, but considering it got me 3 votes before I even posted in day 1 business, think about it for a second.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 14, 2010, 03:43:38 pm
Haven't been online much, been dealing with real life crap, and when I have been online I didn't feel like reading 2-3 pages of inane blather and finger-pointing. Still don't really, but ah well.
Well maybe it would be less inane blather, if people in a beginners mafia were active for a change, don't you think?
Those that are voting for me for inactivity: Does my inactivity seem scummy at all?
Of course it does.
You're being harmful, regardless on which side you're on.
It doesn't matter how you deal with lurkers.
Fact is that you have to do something about them.
They don't contribute to the game and even if they are not mafia, they can be used by them as scapegoats later on.
Unvote.
Flintus, how about some input from your side?
Has he been prodded, Agrembarger?
Post by: Argembarger on December 14, 2010, 05:16:14 pm
He should be back in 2 days based on his last posts but I meant him to be on the replacement queue...
Hold on I'll see if Ottofar is cool to jump in for him so he has time to participate before the day ends.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 14, 2010, 05:17:35 pm
Prod received and understood.That's a reasonable excuse, Unvote.
Haven't been online much, been dealing with real life crap, and when I have been online I didn't feel like reading 2-3 pages of inane blather and finger-pointing. Still don't really, but ah well.
lordnincompoop, You still haven't explained how being indecisive on D1 is scummy.
Post by: Ottofar on December 14, 2010, 05:59:06 pm
I'm probably not going to be home tomorrow. Or today, as it's 1 am.
Anyways, extend.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 14, 2010, 06:22:21 pm
Prod received and understood.That's a reasonable excuse, Unvote.
Haven't been online much, been dealing with real life crap, and when I have been online I didn't feel like reading 2-3 pages of inane blather and finger-pointing. Still don't really, but ah well.
lordnincompoop, You still haven't explained how being indecisive on D1 is scummy.
I think Akigagak explained it better than I could have. As he said, excessive finger prodding etc. can be seen as scummy. He's got an overall abrasive attitude and jumped to conclusions often. That tells me he might as well be a scum trying to find a person to bear down on.
Post by: Argembarger on December 14, 2010, 06:23:46 pm
I'm not entirely sure what I can do if Flintus still wants to be a replacement later on, but I'll deal with that if it becomes an issue.
Post by: Muz on December 14, 2010, 06:50:32 pm
Admittedly, I was much more suspicious after warhammer651 defended lordnincompoop. If one of them is scum, the other might be.
???
I must be blind, because I didn't see that happening.
Taken from page 4:
I dunno. I would probably keep it on Trollan. Looking at his posting history, the only posts he's made have been in this thread. He's also stated that he's played mafia on another message board so he'd be able to do plenty of damage if he was mafia.
On the other hand, he could be a great asset to us townies because of that experience.
of course, Now that I've pointed that out he's probably been bumped up on the mafia's priority list.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 14, 2010, 06:53:47 pm
Post by: Ottofar on December 15, 2010, 08:27:04 am
For now, unvote. Actual content later.
NativeForeigner. Have you heard of Toasters #1 Scumtell?
It's: "Promising More Later, and never delivering."
Post by: Toaster on December 15, 2010, 09:13:21 am
For now, unvote. Actual content later.
NativeForeigner. Have you heard of Toasters #1 Scumtell?
It's: "Promising More Later, and never delivering."
I'm official now! :P
Post by: Mindmaker on December 15, 2010, 10:39:33 am
For now, unvote. Actual content later.
NativeForeigner. Have you heard of Toasters #1 Scumtell?
It's: "Promising More Later, and never delivering."
Have you ever heard, that pre-defined scumtells aren't a foolproof method of finding scum?
You're being too eager again and that's a trait, that can get you killed, if you're not able to fortify your arguments (see last BM).
Also extension.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 15, 2010, 12:06:00 pm
For now, unvote. Actual content later.
NativeForeigner. Have you heard of Toasters #1 Scumtell?
It's: "Promising More Later, and never delivering."
I've posted since this, not much, but just because the delivery was miniscule doesn't mean it didn't happen.
On an unrelated note, I think I can say, with fair certainty that Ottofar is town, considering that he's replacing someone who was never actually supposed to be in. However, I'm not sure if Flintus actuall got a PM or not, so I'll still be keeping on eye on Ottofar.
Post by: Ottofar on December 15, 2010, 12:46:40 pm
On an unrelated note, I think I can say, with fair certainty that Ottofar is town, considering that he's replacing someone who was never actually supposed to be in. However, I'm not sure if Flintus actuall got a PM or not, so I'll still be keeping on eye on Ottofar.
Flintus was not supposed to be in, but was still. He had the same 2/9 chance to be scum as the others.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 15, 2010, 01:50:21 pm
On an unrelated note, I think I can say, with fair certainty that Ottofar is town, considering that he's replacing someone who was never actually supposed to be in. However, I'm not sure if Flintus actuall got a PM or not, so I'll still be keeping on eye on Ottofar.
Flintus was not supposed to be in, but was still. He had the same 2/9 chance to be scum as the others.
So he still got a PM initially? If so, I retract my former statement.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 15, 2010, 02:39:04 pm
On an unrelated note, I think I can say, with fair certainty that Ottofar is town, considering that he's replacing someone who was never actually supposed to be in.For now, unvote. Actual content later.
NativeForeigner. Have you heard of Toasters #1 Scumtell?
It's: "Promising More Later, and never delivering."
Aside, from this being a possibly very deadly assumption, may I ask how you came to it?
For me, he has the same chance as everyone else.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 15, 2010, 02:51:22 pm
I still had a vote on Flintus (now Ottofar).
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 15, 2010, 03:07:33 pm
On an unrelated note, I think I can say, with fair certainty that Ottofar is town, considering that he's replacing someone who was never actually supposed to be in.For now, unvote. Actual content later.
NativeForeigner. Have you heard of Toasters #1 Scumtell?
It's: "Promising More Later, and never delivering."
Aside, from this being a possibly very deadly assumption, may I ask how you came to it?
For me, he has the same chance as everyone else.
I had made the assumption that, since Flintus wasn't intended to actually be IN the game, he never received a PM. So I figured that when Ottofar replaced him, he got a town role since scum roles would have already been given out. However, since Flintus apparently did get a PM, I don't stand by this assumption any longer.
Post by: Argembarger on December 15, 2010, 07:59:20 pm
I didn't mean to have him on the actual players list and didn't realize my mistake until after I already sent the PM's out.
So treat the Ottofar replacement as being exactly the same as someone replacing a lurker, even though that's not really what happened, and this shouldn't affect Flintus' attendance records at all, since he did tell me he would be gone and it was my stupid mistake putting him in.
Again, I apologize for the confusion, and my noobishness as a mod :P
Post by: Ottofar on December 16, 2010, 11:12:35 am
And I'm extremely tired right now.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 16, 2010, 01:38:44 pm
Do you really want to leave it at that?
Not in the mood for another extension?
Because we've got nothing right now.
Post by: Muz on December 16, 2010, 04:10:52 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 16, 2010, 04:20:18 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 16, 2010, 04:25:50 pm
Not in the mood for another extension?
Because we've got nothing right now.
I currently have 2 extension requests in the tally, one more needed to extend to Friday night.
Do you actually get to find out what role a person was after you lynch them?
Yes indeed.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 16, 2010, 04:31:21 pm
There's not much to go on. But I'll go for with the original vote for lordnincompoop as there's just not much arguments in his defense aside from him being new. If he turns out to be innocent then it cancels out the prior suspicion on warhammer, otherwise it gives another suspect.
I don't really see what there is to prove my innocence with, besides trying to stave off accusations. Nobody has been killed, or anything like that. So far we're just pointing at each other and yelling, and so far we've all held our game faces pretty well.
I also believe I have defended myself sufficiently. If you can point out anything you want me to elaborate on I'll gladly do so.
I might as well add my vote for an extension. Perhaps the one day will help.
Post by: Argembarger on December 16, 2010, 04:35:09 pm
Day is extended to Friday, Dec. 17 at 10:00 PM EST.
We have had two extensions so no more will be allowed.
Current vote tally will be posted later tonight.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 16, 2010, 05:58:48 pm
There's not much to go on. But I'll go for with the original vote for lordnincompoop as there's just not much arguments in his defense aside from him being new. If he turns out to be innocent then it cancels out the prior suspicion on warhammer, otherwise it gives another suspect.
That's not how it works, Muz.
You have to give him a chance to defend himself, not just present some hastily thrown together accusation and then just stick with it, whatever comes.
Formulate some questions, or specify what you want him to make clear.
Also you haven reacted to Akigagaks FOS at all.
Which brings me to Akigagak:
So you come in here, complain about the lacking quality of the game, simply rephrase something already said and then continue lurking.
If you haven't noticed, I had adressed some of your concerns in the following post.
Last but not least, Ottofar:
You're sticking to your vote.
Why? He already had explained everything before you posted.
Specify, why he's worth keeping a vote on.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 16, 2010, 05:59:52 pm
Post by: Trollan on December 16, 2010, 08:09:00 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 16, 2010, 08:44:22 pm
Okay, Extension. as for now, i believe we should still lynch somebody, whether random or not. I would personally recommend akigagak or NativeForeigner for lurking. any thoughts?
I'm sorry, lurking? My last post was yesterday and I had company over this morning. Also, if I'm not mistaken, I've been more active than you, Trollan. If you want to lynch someone (which I agree, we should) on D1 you should go for whomever looks scummiest. Lurkers should be drawn out of the shadows on D2 if they continue to be a problem.
Post by: Toaster on December 16, 2010, 11:30:41 pm
You guys seem to be doing pretty well, though. If you have questions, just ask!
Post by: Argembarger on December 16, 2010, 11:54:39 pm
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Akigagak (0)
Lordnincompoop (2) - Muz, Taco Dan
Mindmaker (0)
Muz (2) - Lordnincompoop, Mindmaker
NativeForeigner (1) - Ottofar
Ottofar (0)
Taco Dan (1) - Trollan
Trollan (0)
Warhammer651 (0)
Extension (Second) (3)
Not Voting: Akigagak, NativeForeigner, Warhammer651
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Extension Granted! No more extensions remaining for Day One.
Day One Ends Friday, December 17, @ 10:00 PM EST
Post by: Trollan on December 17, 2010, 12:09:56 am
Okay, Extension. as for now, i believe we should still lynch somebody, whether random or not. I would personally recommend akigagak or NativeForeigner for lurking. any thoughts?
I'm sorry, lurking? My last post was yesterday and I had company over this morning. Also, if I'm not mistaken, I've been more active than you, Trollan. If you want to lynch someone (which I agree, we should) on D1 you should go for whomever looks scummiest. Lurkers should be drawn out of the shadows on D2 if they continue to be a problem.
Yes, I know about how real life things interfere with mafia, like some drunk driving his pickup truck into the pole that allows my area to get internet, or power outages. Anyway, i was referring to the sudden disappearance after "promising more later".So far, we really don't have many leads, if any. the reason I listed akigagak first was preference for him being lynched. If you have any other ideas, i'd like to hear them.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 17, 2010, 12:24:39 am
Okay, Extension. as for now, i believe we should still lynch somebody, whether random or not. I would personally recommend akigagak or NativeForeigner for lurking. any thoughts?
I'm sorry, lurking? My last post was yesterday and I had company over this morning. Also, if I'm not mistaken, I've been more active than you, Trollan. If you want to lynch someone (which I agree, we should) on D1 you should go for whomever looks scummiest. Lurkers should be drawn out of the shadows on D2 if they continue to be a problem.
Yes, I know about how real life things interfere with mafia, like some drunk driving his pickup truck into the pole that allows my area to get internet, or power outages. Anyway, i was referring to the sudden disappearance after "promising more later".So far, we really don't have many leads, if any. the reason I listed akigagak first was preference for him being lynched. If you have any other ideas, i'd like to hear them.
While that sucks, I wasn't accusing you of actively lurking, I was just pointing out that I've posted more than you and yet you accuse me of lurking. I posted a few times are "promising more later", it was just unfortunate that it less than I had hoped I would have by then. I don't have much more aside from gut-feelings. Yes, Akigagak has been lurking, but it might be better to save that lynch until D2. However, since we have until Friday now, there is no reason not to put some pressure on him. If we cracks, try to get him lynch. If he doesn't post, I would suggest voting someone else, but that's really your choice.
There's not much to go on. But I'll go for with the original vote for lordnincompoop as there's just not much arguments in his defense aside from him being new. If he turns out to be innocent then it cancels out the prior suspicion on warhammer, otherwise it gives another suspect.
Because I apparently missed it, how do you figure lordnincompoop=warhammer suspicious? Also, as Lord pointed out, there's not much that anyone can say in their defense right now, there aren't a whole lot of tells against any one player at this point. Why do you choose Lord above anyone else? If it's because he's new you might as well call out a few other players as well, this is a BM after all.
Post by: Muz on December 17, 2010, 02:34:52 am
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Because I apparently missed it, how do you figure lordnincompoop=warhammer suspicious? Also, as Lord pointed out, there's not much that anyone can say in their defense right now, there aren't a whole lot of tells against any one player at this point. Why do you choose Lord above anyone else? If it's because he's new you might as well call out a few other players as well, this is a BM after all.
I quoted it previous page, it was on page 4/start of day 1 (if you're using the default forum page format thing). Defending each other without evidence or reguiding votes would be a sign of scum, as the mafia would know each other and won't want each other to die, while the normal citizens would be left blind. The suspicions on him were answered by him either not noticing or not knowing.
There's not much to go on. But I'll go for with the original vote for lordnincompoop as there's just not much arguments in his defense aside from him being new. If he turns out to be innocent then it cancels out the prior suspicion on warhammer, otherwise it gives another suspect.
That's not how it works, Muz.
You have to give him a chance to defend himself, not just present some hastily thrown together accusation and then just stick with it, whatever comes.
Formulate some questions, or specify what you want him to make clear.
Also you haven reacted to Akigagaks FOS at all.
There's only weak scumtells at this point in game. Akigagak had a good FOS, but I'll go put my synopsis on it along with everyone else. A bit of suspicion on me is good too, as it keeps the mafia from killing me at night when there's a chance that the town would lynch me :P
Akigagak - Lurking, not liking how anti-mafia the town are (p8), though because he got a lot of votes, it's understandable how he'd be pissed
Lordnincompoop - Late to react to questions (still hasn't answered Taco Dan's) and not noticing a bunch of things. The lurker accusation doesn't count anymore because the pressure pried him from lurking.
Mindmaker - Excessively pro-town, started scumhunting from the first minute
Muz - Excessively pro-town, stubbornly sticking to the same person, even after cleared.
NativeForeigner - Haven't voted, even though he said he would.
Ottofar, Taco Dan, Trollan - Nothing outstanding (so far)
Warhammer651 - Vote deflection (page 4), pushing for a no lynch (p7)
Also, I'd say that everyone not voting is a scumtell, because the mafia would be sitting around waiting for a suspicious non-mafia who they can bandwagon on, or vote late in bandwagoning for a mafia member. I was hoping some mafia would bandwagon on lordnin at this stage of the game, but since they haven't, it increases suspicions that he might be one.
That puts some suspicions on Akigagak, NativeForeigner, Warhammer651.
Similarly, anyone who's voting without a reason is equally suspicious. But here, there's actually no reason to vote aside from drawing someone out, so even the slightest reason is reason enough.
Mindmaker, Taco Dan, and NativeForeigner are bumped down the list a bit for asking for an extension while we didn't have any leads.
Akigagak is bumped down because he could have bandwagon voted on me to improve the votes against him, instead sticking with a FOS. A mafia would also be twice as pressured by a vote on him, as it kills a mafia member and puts him out of the game; giving a double damage blow to their chances of winning. Had he been a mafia member, his pressure would have made him put a full vote on me if lordnin was a mafia, but still a weak reason if lordnin wasn't a mafia.
In light of this, I'm going to switch my vote to Warhammer651. However, Warhammer could just be someone who believes in innocent until proven guilty, even though all the guides say otherwise.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 17, 2010, 03:25:47 am
NativeForeigner - Haven't voted, even though he said he would.
I don't recall saying I would vote anytime soon and regardless of whether or not I said I would, I haven't because... well, actually, I don't really know why I haven't. In fact, I didn't even realize that I haven't.
Taco Dan and Akigagak, it's been over two days since either one of you have posted. Why are you two lurking so heavily? I'd hate to go after a lurker just because they're lurking, but no one else is giving any good tells.
Lordnincompoop, you're acting kind of... air-head-ish and I don't really like the way it looks. It could very well be that you're really overlooking these questions and therefore slow to answer them, or you could be trying to act dumb to throw suspicion off of you. It might just be a gut-feeling right now, but you should really explain yourself.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 17, 2010, 07:42:42 am
In light of this, I'm going to switch my vote to Warhammer651. However, Warhammer could just be someone who believes in innocent until proven guilty, even though all the guides say otherwise.
What can I say? I'm an idealist.
at the moment i still have very little to go on. part of me suspects Muz, but that might just be me being vengeful.
I'm guessing that things will start to pick up around Day 2, and then I might have enough evidence in front of me to go after somebody.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 17, 2010, 09:08:29 am
NativeForeigner - Haven't voted, even though he said he would.
I don't recall saying I would vote anytime soon and regardless of whether or not I said I would, I haven't because... well, actually, I don't really know why I haven't. In fact, I didn't even realize that I haven't.
Taco Dan and Akigagak, it's been over two days since either one of you have posted. Why are you two lurking so heavily? I'd hate to go after a lurker just because they're lurking, but no one else is giving any good tells.
Lordnincompoop, you're acting kind of... air-head-ish and I don't really like the way it looks. It could very well be that you're really overlooking these questions and therefore slow to answer them, or you could be trying to act dumb to throw suspicion off of you. It might just be a gut-feeling right now, but you should really explain yourself.
I'd just like to point out that I study most of the time (I'm not even really cleared for the winter break; truckloads of work from various teachers, plus my own desire to get ahead), and that I live on the other side of the world for most of you. Being several hours ahead is inconvenient, since you guys post while I sleep and sleep while I post, or something like that.
I probably overlook some questions, or just answer them in a way that's not readily obvious. It happens.
I'm not acting dumb, believe me. If that's the case, my ruse is incredibly inconsistent.
I also tend to mull over my replies for a while, so I can stay composed.
If you want me to explain some more, just let me know.
<snip>
Lordnincompoop - Late to react to questions (still hasn't answered Taco Dan's) and not noticing a bunch of things. The lurker accusation doesn't count anymore because the pressure pried him from lurking.
<snip>
If you mean this:
lordnincompoop, You still haven't explained how being indecisive on D1 is scummy.
I already replied to it by mentioning Akigagak's post. The points that I wanted to bring up were almost identical, and I think he explained it better than I could have. As for my accusations, look at my reply to the first quote above.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 17, 2010, 12:24:32 pm
NativeForeigner - Haven't voted, even though he said he would.
I don't recall saying I would vote anytime soon and regardless of whether or not I said I would, I haven't because... well, actually, I don't really know why I haven't. In fact, I didn't even realize that I haven't.
Taco Dan and Akigagak, it's been over two days since either one of you have posted. Why are you two lurking so heavily? I'd hate to go after a lurker just because they're lurking, but no one else is giving any good tells.
Lordnincompoop, you're acting kind of... air-head-ish and I don't really like the way it looks. It could very well be that you're really overlooking these questions and therefore slow to answer them, or you could be trying to act dumb to throw suspicion off of you. It might just be a gut-feeling right now, but you should really explain yourself.
I'd just like to point out that I study most of the time (I'm not even really cleared for the winter break; truckloads of work from various teachers, plus my own desire to get ahead), and that I live on the other side of the world for most of you. Being several hours ahead is inconvenient, since you guys post while I sleep and sleep while I post, or something like that.
I probably overlook some questions, or just answer them in a way that's not readily obvious. It happens.
I'm not acting dumb, believe me. If that's the case, my ruse is incredibly inconsistent.
I also tend to mull over my replies for a while, so I can stay composed.
If you want me to explain some more, just let me know.<snip>
Lordnincompoop - Late to react to questions (still hasn't answered Taco Dan's) and not noticing a bunch of things. The lurker accusation doesn't count anymore because the pressure pried him from lurking.
<snip>
If you mean this:lordnincompoop, You still haven't explained how being indecisive on D1 is scummy.
I already replied to it by mentioning Akigagak's post. The points that I wanted to bring up were almost identical, and I think he explained it better than I could have. As for my accusations, look at my reply to the first quote above.
This is the kind of response I like to get from pressure. Due to the perfectly reasonable answer and lack of any other evidence, unvote.
Akigagak, where have you been? Do we need a replacement?
Has the mod prodded Akigagak and Taco Dan? It's been nearly 3 days.
Post by: Argembarger on December 17, 2010, 12:46:56 pm
Has the mod prodded Akigagak and Taco Dan? It's been nearly 3 days.
I prodded them just now. Now it is up to the Hands of Fate to decide. Manos.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 17, 2010, 01:00:10 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 17, 2010, 01:10:49 pm
I will look for replacements if they don't respond.
Post by: Akigagak on December 17, 2010, 01:48:52 pm
There's not much to go on. But I'll go for with the original vote for lordnincompoop as there's just not much arguments in his defense aside from him being new. If he turns out to be innocent then it cancels out the prior suspicion on warhammer, otherwise it gives another suspect.
That's not how it works, Muz.
You have to give him a chance to defend himself, not just present some hastily thrown together accusation and then just stick with it, whatever comes.
Formulate some questions, or specify what you want him to make clear.
Also you haven reacted to Akigagaks FOS at all.
Which brings me to Akigagak:
So you come in here, complain about the lacking quality of the game, simply rephrase something already said and then continue lurking.
If you haven't noticed, I had adressed some of your concerns in the following post.
You did, sort of, but there was nothing there that needed responding to. But, well, there is here.
I wasn't complaining about the quality of this game in particular. All Day Ones feature a large amount of inane banter, it's their nature.
If I repeated what had already been said, which a casual glance tells me might have happens with LNPs points, I think I phrased it in a clearer way.
Muz:
Quote from: Muz
There's only weak scumtells at this point in game. Akigagak had a good FOS, but I'll go put my synopsis on it along with everyone else. A bit of suspicion on me is good too, as it keeps the mafia from killing me at night when there's a chance that the town would lynch me :P...this is pretty terrible reasoning. I'd say, after me, you're the most suspect of the lot of us, so there's a chance that if I go down today, you'll go down tomorrow. Also, by chossing to deliberately ignore my FOS, you just look more scummy to me.
Quote
Akigagak - Lurking, not liking how anti-mafia the town are (p8), though because he got a lot of votes, it's understandable how he'd be pissed.???
Spoiler: Post in question (click to show/hide)
Yeah, not seeing now that post make it look in any way that 'I dislike how 'anti-mafia' the Town is.' That's Towns' job, to hunt down and bludgeon the Scum. Hell, that comment of yours is one of the most scummy things I've seen, haphazzad mad-slinging, only you forgot to check if there was a way it could stick.
So, all things considered, Muz.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 17, 2010, 03:00:00 pm
The logical fallacies don't help his case much either.
Question fo the ICs: is it considered bad form to vote to lynch someone that voted to lynch you?
Post by: Muz on December 17, 2010, 04:33:17 pm
Question fo the ICs: is it considered bad form to vote to lynch someone that voted to lynch you?
I doubt it, it makes sense. It's a psychological game. I don't think there's really "bad form", except for meta game arguments (i vote u because you suck; i vote because you were mafia last game; this guy acted differently from last game when he was town; etc).
Muz:Quote from: MuzThere's only weak scumtells at this point in game. Akigagak had a good FOS, but I'll go put my synopsis on it along with everyone else. A bit of suspicion on me is good too, as it keeps the mafia from killing me at night when there's a chance that the town would lynch me :P...this is pretty terrible reasoning. I'd say, after me, you're the most suspect of the lot of us, so there's a chance that if I go down today, you'll go down tomorrow. Also, by chossing to deliberately ignore my FOS, you just look more scummy to me.
I had responded to the FOS in that post, by saying it was a valid one, I have nothing to argue against it, and putting a FOS on myself to be fair. Too late to edit posts to blue, but I would've actually FOS'ed everyone except Taco Dan, Trollan, Ottofar. But even Ottofar's hard to tell because he's only been in the game half the time.
I'd remove the FOS from lordnincompoop because he's finally justified himself in a satisfactory manner. That would also put the vote deflection argument away from warhammer651, who also hasn't reacted like I'd expect scum to.
Akigagak strikes me as most suspicious now, for chronic lurking, only coming in when prodded. Could he possibly be a Mafia goon waiting impatiently for nightfall for the chance to strike, minimizing interaction for fear that his exterior would crack?
The "if I go down today, you'll go down tomorrow" doesn't strike me as something mafia would say; if he were to flip as mafia, his words would have no credibility, and it would only make sense if he were town. On the other hand, if he were a mafia member, it could just mean that one of his friends would strike me down for vengeance. The "That's Towns' job, to hunt down and bludgeon the Scum" comment shows that he's acknowledged the town's job, yet hasn't been participating in it. Would that be because he's not part of the town?
So, vote's on Akigagak.
Post by: Akigagak on December 17, 2010, 05:07:09 pm
The "That's Towns' job, to hunt down and bludgeon the Scum" comment shows that he's acknowledged the town's job, yet hasn't been participating in it. Would that be because he's not part of the town?
More becuase I've recently got a nine-to-five-thirty job, and in addition to slightly more personal bullshit and also running a PbP over on GitP, I haven't had time for this recently.
Also, damnit, address the actual points I made against you, stop dodging them.
Post by: Muz on December 17, 2010, 05:47:53 pm
I've agreed that I'm aggressively finger pointing from the start. Mindmaker's been doing it too, but not as aggressively. I will sling accusations at people, because if I don't, then people will simply sit around and talk about stuff, and there'd be nothing to do. What else do you expect me to do, sit down quietly and wait for the mafia to strike?
You are playing the grumpy fellow. You know that the game has "inane banter and finger pointing", but you were the first to register. It's not like the rest of us don't have jobs and personal bullshit, but the extension's pushed day 1 to a whole week, including a weekend and lots of free nights. You'd have the choice of stepping down from the game like Vector did, but chose not to. Is this just some ruse to cover up for your inactivity?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Akigagak on December 17, 2010, 06:31:22 pm
Which points specifically?
I've agreed that I'm aggressively finger pointing from the start. Mindmaker's been doing it too, but not as aggressively. I will sling accusations at people, because if I don't, then people will simply sit around and talk about stuff, and there'd be nothing to do. What else do you expect me to do, sit down quietly and wait for the mafia to strike?
Okay, explain this:
Quote from: Muz
Akigagak - Lurking, not liking how anti-mafia the town are (p8), though because he got a lot of votes, it's understandable how he'd be pissed.The post in question doesn't seem to imply any of that. Please explain how it does.
Quote
You are playing the grumpy fellow. You know that the game has "inane banter and finger pointing", but you were the first to register. It's not like the rest of us don't have jobs and personal bullshit, but the extension's pushed day 1 to a whole week, including a weekend and lots of free nights. You'd have the choice of stepping down from the game like Vector did, but chose not to. Is this just some ruse to cover up for your inactivity?I'm not 'playing the grumpy fellow' by my eyes, but then I know how I was feeling at the time of posting, and you've got to go by made threadbare writing style. But, several things:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
1: I don't think I was the first to register. I think I was actually one of the last.
2: Again, the "inane banter and finger pointing" was a comment of mafia's in general, made when I was felling pretty pissed at the world, with no specific reference to this game.
3: Yeah, the 'personal bullshit' was rather severe at the time. 'Nuff said, I think. And if it's a ruse, it's an extremely bad one by all acounts.
Post by: Mindmaker on December 17, 2010, 07:01:29 pm
Ottofar, you still haven't answered my question and have been lurking, since the time you had cast your vote, without giving a proper explanation on why you did it.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 17, 2010, 07:36:31 pm
Unvote.
Ottofar, you still haven't answered my question and have been lurking, since the time you had cast your vote, without giving a proper explanation on why you did it.
Ottofar did state that he would be gone from Friday to Sunday, but he didn't offer a reason why.
Post by: Argembarger on December 17, 2010, 10:28:22 pm
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Akigagak (3) - Muz, NativeForeigner, Trollan
Lordnincompoop (1) - Taco Dan
Mindmaker (0)
Muz (2) - Akigagak, Lordnincompoop
NativeForeigner (1) - Ottofar
Ottofar (1) - Mindmaker
Taco Dan (0) -
Trollan (0)
Warhammer651 (0)
Not Voting: Warhammer651
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As the sun dips beneath the clean, white picket fences and the last rays of sunshine retreat from this slice of suburbia, you all surround Akigagak with condemnation in your eyes.
"Wait guys!" he says, "Stop and think this through for a bit! You know me! I've lived here for years, I can't possibly be... a mafia member!"
Muz steps forward, holding up some good Lynchin' Rope.
"Sorry buddy, we just can't take that risk. You understand."
"Aaargh! I was busy mowing my lawn today! You all didn't even give me a chance!" Akigagak stammers.
"We gave you enough."
After a bit of effort, you all get the rope around Akigagak's neck and hoist him up a tree.
"*cough* *wheeze* gaaak... you're all... stupid... wrong... *phlegm* not mafia... hope they... hrk~----"
You pull him down and rifle through his pockets, finding his house key. You storm into his house to search it for clues. Akigagak's family is weeping and inconsolable, but nevermind them. Nothing in his house suggests anything in particular, he was just a normal person. In Akigagak's room, over his bed, in an ornate frame with gold leaf trim, you find a Certificate of Guaranteed Totally Not A Mafia Member, Seriously You Guys, I'm Not. Huh. Why didn't Akigagak just show you guys this thing to begin with??
Oh well, too late now...
Night One has begun! Send in your night actions, if you have any!
Night One ends Monday, Dec. 20, 10:00 PM EST, or alternatively, whenever all night actions have been submitted, or alternatively, whenever I darn well please!
Post by: Argembarger on December 20, 2010, 11:32:55 pm
Besides the police barricades, the streets are empty. Clouds skim the sky, keeping Earth from Sun, as if deeming the situation below undeserving of warmth and sunshine. A familiar chill is produced. It's the one Death evokes in the spines of the living.
It is day 2, and as with the day preceding it, something feels added to your life, a weight pressing down on your very soul. The situation presently facing you is only the latest sleight of hand in the whole scheme of things, one to engender a sense not of normalcy, but of alien strangeness. Its wild revelations are those less of a prophet than a simple madman. It's question is Innocence itself. It is a mystery whose answer fleets just out of sight, like the ghost of a shy hummingbird, forcing you to turn your head and try to catch a hint of Truth. It is the most maddening issue of all.
"The punishment of criminals should be of use; when a man is hanged he is good for nothing." -Billie Holiday
At least, to your recollection, that is a quote from Billie Holiday. Yeah, we'll go with that.
You have a feeling it's going to be a long day.
Oh, also, Lordnincompoop is absent from the group today.
You tentatively head to his house, and find his body a lump of bloody swiss cheese in the bedroom. The stench of blood and gunpowder is overpowering.
On the bedstand, you find a bloody diary. You flip through it. It seems Lordnincompoop was just a normal townsperson.
This madness must end! End it now!
Current Happytown VoteCount:
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Mindmaker (0)
Muz (0)
NativeForeigner (0)
Ottofar (0)
Taco Dan (0)
Trollan (0)
Warhammer651 (0)
Not Voting: Everyone, obviously
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Day Two has begun!
Day Two ends Thursday, Dec. 23, 10:00 PM EST!
Post by: Argembarger on December 20, 2010, 11:38:34 pm
Announcement:
Muz has requested a replacement.
Post by: Trollan on December 21, 2010, 01:11:51 am
On another note, we do have another mislynch today, however if we lynch incorrectly, it will bring us to LYLO. Ottofar and Taco Dan, could you please lurk less and contribute?
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 21, 2010, 01:34:12 am
Post by: Muz on December 21, 2010, 02:29:42 am
Also, sorry if I pissed off or offended anyone here. Nothing personal, just the game.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 21, 2010, 02:45:20 am
Muz - Excessively pro-town, stubbornly sticking to the same person, even after cleared.Why would you point out your own scumminess?
Also, Akigagak had a point:
Then there was the defense vote:QuoteAkigagak - Lurking, not liking how anti-mafia the town are (p8), though because he got a lot of votes, it's understandable how he'd be pissed.???Spoiler: Post in question (click to show/hide)
Yeah, not seeing now that post make it look in any way that 'I dislike how 'anti-mafia' the Town is.' That's Towns' job, to hunt down and bludgeon the Scum. Hell, that comment of yours is one of the most scummy things I've seen, haphazzad mad-slinging, only you forgot to check if there was a way it could stick.
So, all things considered, Muz.
You may not consider defense votes as scummy, but I know people who do, and I'm one of them. And by "If I go down today, you'll go down tomorrow" he meant this. There's no scumbuddies hunting you down for vengeance, no, it's townbuddies hunting you down for vengeance.Muz:Quote from: MuzThere's only weak scumtells at this point in game. Akigagak had a good FOS, but I'll go put my synopsis on it along with everyone else. A bit of suspicion on me is good too, as it keeps the mafia from killing me at night when there's a chance that the town would lynch me :P...this is pretty terrible reasoning. I'd say, after me, you're the most suspect of the lot of us, so there's a chance that if I go down today, you'll go down tomorrow. Also, by chossing to deliberately ignore my FOS, you just look more scummy to me.
Akigagak strikes me as most suspicious now, for chronic lurking, only coming in when prodded. Could he possibly be a Mafia goon waiting impatiently for nightfall for the chance to strike, minimizing interaction for fear that his exterior would crack?
The "if I go down today, you'll go down tomorrow" doesn't strike me as something mafia would say; if he were to flip as mafia, his words would have no credibility, and it would only make sense if he were town. On the other hand, if he were a mafia member, it could just mean that one of his friends would strike me down for vengeance. The "That's Towns' job, to hunt down and bludgeon the Scum" comment shows that he's acknowledged the town's job, yet hasn't been participating in it. Would that be because he's not part of the town?
So, vote's on Akigagak.
And, if I remember correctly, you were having a bit of a beef with LNCP, who just got NK'd. All reason to suspect you, Muz. And I know you're getting a replacement, but the suspicion's on him, too.
Post by: Akigagak on December 21, 2010, 03:17:25 am
"F*ck, you, dudes" He said. "Also, get your own arguments. The amount of times I saw "X said what I wanted to, but better" was depressing. Also, very scummy for nearly all of you."
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 21, 2010, 03:20:21 am
Woo go scum
Post by: Ottofar on December 21, 2010, 05:38:11 am
Anyways
Last but not least, Ottofar:No reason to unvote. Mindmaker, why do you care?
You're sticking to your vote.
Why? He already had explained everything before you posted.
Specify, why he's worth keeping a vote on.
Post by: Argembarger on December 21, 2010, 10:21:25 am
Zrk2 has replaced Muz
Post by: Zrk2 on December 21, 2010, 12:17:24 pm
Bah! :P
Woo go scum
Go scum? I question your allegiance. You sound suspicious.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 21, 2010, 01:17:35 pm
Bah! :P
Woo go scum
Go scum? I question your allegiance. You sound suspicious.
- I'm dead.
It seems Lordnincompoop was just a normal townsperson.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 21, 2010, 01:33:16 pm
I go to a bit of work to take some heat off of you and look what happens.Bah! :P
Woo go scum
Go scum? I question your allegiance. You sound suspicious.;)
- I'm dead.
PREDICTION: The Mafia is gonna kill whoever I side with
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 21, 2010, 01:39:38 pm
I thank you for that, warhammer, even though I got killed anyways.
Post by: Argembarger on December 21, 2010, 01:48:07 pm
Post by: Taco Dan on December 21, 2010, 05:41:18 pm
RtFT dude.Bah! :P
Woo go scum
Go scum? I question your allegiance. You sound suspicious.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 21, 2010, 05:53:09 pm
RtFT dude.Bah! :P
Woo go scum
Go scum? I question your allegiance. You sound suspicious.
/Sarcasm?
Post by: Trollan on December 22, 2010, 01:16:28 am
Apparently, the cruise ship I am going on will need a replacement. I guess i will just join the next one...
Post by: Mindmaker on December 22, 2010, 06:01:22 am
No reason to unvote. Mindmaker, why do you care?
"You question my loose chain of reasoning, therefore you must be the accused persons scumbuddy."
*sigh*
Replacement please.
Post by: Trollan on December 22, 2010, 06:59:36 am
Damn.
Apparently, the cruise ship I am going on will need a replacement. I guess i will just join the next one...
Holy crap, I never knew what my half-asleep brain could do :o. To make more sense, the cruise has no Wi-fi, I need a replacement. See ya.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 22, 2010, 07:11:49 am
Post by: Argembarger on December 22, 2010, 08:46:19 am
Damn.
Apparently, the cruise ship I am going on will need a replacement. I guess i will just join the next one...
What
No reason to unvote. Mindmaker, why do you care?
"You question my loose chain of reasoning, therefore you must be the accused persons scumbuddy."
*sigh*
Replacement please.
Whaaaaaaaat
Damn.
Apparently, the cruise ship I am going on will need a replacement. I guess i will just join the next one...
Holy crap, I never knew what my half-asleep brain could do :o. To make more sense, the cruise has no Wi-fi, I need a replacement. See ya.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-oh wait this is just you again.
Let the replacement-orgy begin!
And let it not ruin the game, hopefully! Press on, remaining people! Victory and glory await you!
Post by: Zrk2 on December 22, 2010, 09:32:02 am
Post by: Argembarger on December 22, 2010, 07:50:16 pm
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KaminaSquirtle (0)
Lordnincompoop (0)
NativeForeigner (0)
Ottofar (1) - Lordnincompoop
Taco Dan (1) - Zrk2
Warhammer651 (2) - KaminaSquirtle, Ottofar
Zrk2 (1) - Taco Dan
Not Voting: NativeForeigner, Warhammer651
Awaiting replacements for Mindmaker and Trollan
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Day Two ends Today at 10:00 PM EST!
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 22, 2010, 11:46:23 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 22, 2010, 11:57:54 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 23, 2010, 06:52:50 am
Post by: Argembarger on December 23, 2010, 08:51:47 am
This does not use up any of your extensions.
Secondly, Kamina, you're in for Trollan.
Thirdly, Lordnincompoop, I'd prefer to wait and see if a new face doesn't want to join before I throw you back in. If nobody else volunteers by the time I wake up tomorrow, you're in again.
Thank you both for volunteering.
Post by: Zrk2 on December 23, 2010, 09:55:15 am
Post by: Taco Dan on December 24, 2010, 03:13:56 am
Post by: Argembarger on December 24, 2010, 11:22:35 am
Post by: Zrk2 on December 24, 2010, 11:28:07 am
I think that you, or rather, Muz killed off LNCP after what seemed like jumping on a bandwagon to lynch Akigagak. I also explained this in my last post. Please point out how I'm wrong so that I may show you how I'm not.
He erects a wall of obfuscation around himself! How very suspicious!
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 24, 2010, 11:53:56 am
I think that you, or rather, Muz killed off LNCP after what seemed like jumping on a bandwagon to lynch Akigagak. I also explained this in my last post. Please point out how I'm wrong so that I may show you how I'm not.
He erects a wall of obfuscation around himself! How very suspicious!
I can't tell whether or not you're being facetious.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 24, 2010, 12:00:38 pm
Post by: Taco Dan on December 24, 2010, 01:34:55 pm
How am I obfuscating? I don't see it.I think that you, or rather, Muz killed off LNCP after what seemed like jumping on a bandwagon to lynch Akigagak. I also explained this in my last post. Please point out how I'm wrong so that I may show you how I'm not.
He erects a wall of obfuscation around himself! How very suspicious!
Post by: Akigagak on December 24, 2010, 03:52:44 pm
Also, I said none of this, wink wink, nudge nudge.
Post by: Vector on December 24, 2010, 03:56:46 pm
Hai everyone I'm suddenly alive now.
Argembarger: you made a new dead chat, right?
Post by: Argembarger on December 24, 2010, 04:45:45 pm
<_<
>_>
Post by: Vector on December 24, 2010, 04:52:48 pm
Ummmmmmmm yes of course I did what kind of person would go and not make a new deadchat when there are zombies about
<_<
>_>
Good. I'm glad you're such a sensible mod.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 24, 2010, 05:02:16 pm
Zrk2: If you were a scum, how would you try to win the game?
Taco Dan: Why do you think Muzrk2 would have killed past-me? Don't you think that would be a bit obvious? Do you think somebody else could have done it?
Native Foreigner: Who are your top scum picks so far? Why?
Trollan: Why aren't you voting? If it's because of the random finger pointing, think about it; the whole game is based around it. It will always happen, really.
Mindmaker: If you were to by lynched, who would be the one to start the wagon?
Ottofar: Answer all the above questions.
Post by: Ottofar on December 25, 2010, 05:43:05 am
Tiem for sum actshan!
Zrk2: If you were a scum, how would you try to win the game?
Taco Dan: Why do you think Muzrk2 would have killed past-me? Don't you think that would be a bit obvious? Do you think somebody else could have done it?
Native Foreigner: Who are your top scum picks so far? Why?
Trollan: Why aren't you voting? If it's because of the random finger pointing, think about it; the whole game is based around it. It will always happen, really.
Mindmaker: If you were to by lynched, who would be the one to start the wagon?
Ottofar: Answer all the above questions.
1: Probably lurking to some extent, but still scumhunting.
2: WIFoM
Answers pending to 3 and 4,
5: Anyone.
Also, you are Mindmaker.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 25, 2010, 05:49:02 am
Also, you are Mindmaker.
...Oh. :-[
Post by: Argembarger on December 25, 2010, 09:07:15 am
Your grotesque unlife serves a purpose.
Post by: Zrk2 on December 25, 2010, 07:19:13 pm
Tiem for sum actshan!
Zrk2: If you were a scum, how would you try to win the game?
Taco Dan: Why do you think Muzrk2 would have killed past-me? Don't you think that would be a bit obvious? Do you think somebody else could have done it?
Native Foreigner: Who are your top scum picks so far? Why?
Trollan: Why aren't you voting? If it's because of the random finger pointing, think about it; the whole game is based around it. It will always happen, really.
Mindmaker: If you were to by lynched, who would be the one to start the wagon?
Ottofar: Answer all the above questions.
By trying to keep my story simple and trying to stay unobtrusive.
Post by: Zrk2 on December 25, 2010, 09:18:45 pm
* Spaghetti western music plays*
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 27, 2010, 12:15:29 am
Because he was replaced by me.
Trollan: Why aren't you voting? If it's because of the random finger pointing, think about it; the whole game is based around it. It will always happen, really.
Why did you just FOS/vote everyone in that post, with nothing to back it up, anyway? What was your point? Did you expect any of us to feel any pressure?
As you can see, I have failed in that, were I a scum...Protip: You aren't Org so don't act like him.
* Spaghetti western music plays*
Herp derp.
Be useful. Read Dak's scumhunting guide. Then scumhunt.
You know why these beginner's games always end in a scum win?
Because the town doesn't know how to act like a town. You can't count on normal scumhunting. Honestly, in a normal game most of you would have warranted a vote. So please, town, be active, and scumhunt for goodness sake.
So down to business.
Warhammer, this is suuuuper scummy:
Admittance of buddying. You should never try to 'take some heat off' someone. What is the point of this post anyway? It looks like you're just trying to get people to think you're town because you helped out a fellow townie. That isn't a goal of town. That's the goal of scum.I go to a bit of work to take some heat off of you and look what happens.Bah! :P
Woo go scum
Go scum? I question your allegiance. You sound suspicious.;)
- I'm dead.
PREDICTION: The Mafia is gonna kill whoever I side with
Like you. You are scum.
Not to mention your little 'prediction'. I don't know why, but it seems like something scum would do. You know, make silly little predictions about who the scam are going to kill.
Oh, that's why I don't like it. It's because it's distancing.
Question fo the ICs: is it considered bad form to vote to lynch someone that voted to lynch you?Why are you so concerned with what looks like 'bad form', hmmm? Why do you care? If you have a good reason for voting someone, it doesn't matter if they voted you or not. It looks scummy to vote someone who voted for you with no good reason. Or to vote anyone without a good reason out of RVS.
But do you know what's even scummier than that?
Being concerned about how you look.
This combined with your lack of meaningful contributions so far, and your recent lurkyness, makes me conclude that you are scum.
Mod/Zathras: Could we get a lurkertracker report in here? Things have been pretty inactive, and I'd like to know who's been lurkyest.
And I"m too lazy to check myself.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 27, 2010, 04:42:02 am
I just don't want to be pointing out someone's blunders to someone else and blame them for it, just because maybe the last person was an idiot.
Anyway onto current shenanigans:
So down to business.OK, riddle me this, if you saw someone you were sure was town, and they were taking a lot of heat, would you either try and take heat off of them, or just sit back and watch them be lynched?
Warhammer, this is suuuuper scummy:Admittance of buddying. You should never try to 'take some heat off' someone. What is the point of this post anyway? It looks like you're just trying to get people to think you're town because you helped out a fellow townie. That isn't a goal of town. That's the goal of scum.I go to a bit of work to take some heat off of you and look what happens.Bah! :P
Woo go scum
Go scum? I question your allegiance. You sound suspicious.;)
- I'm dead.
PREDICTION: The Mafia is gonna kill whoever I side with
Like you. You are scum.
Not to mention your little 'prediction'. I don't know why, but it seems like something scum would do. You know, make silly little predictions about who the scam are going to kill.I don't really see the problem with the prediction there. I think he's basically saying: "Wouldn't that just be my luck if the mafia killed everyone I sided with?". I know it's a little out of place because mafia is "srs bsns" but seriously, why so serious?
Oh, that's why I don't like it. It's because it's distancing.
Oh and one more thing,
Mod/Zathras: Could we get a lurkertracker report in here? Things have been pretty inactive, and I'd like to know who's been lurkyest.You know why it's been inactive? Holidays. People have families to see.
Now on to other people.
Zrk2: If you were a scum, how would you try to win the game?
By trying to keep my story simple and trying to stay unobtrusive.
As you can see, I have failed in that, were I a scum...Really? Because I think you've been doing just that.
You've completely ignored my posts about you except for one, where you said I was being intentionally confusing, I'm still not sure if it was a joke, seeing as how you never responded to my question.
You're definitely scum, you've been dodging attacks and pretty much lurking, only popping up with a couple snide remarks and meaningless posts. Anything to say about it?
Post by: Vector on December 27, 2010, 04:46:04 am
I'm not sure how this works anymore with all these replacements. Can I just address things that they said before they were replaced or do they not apply anymore? After all, two people could act completely different and still be scum.
I just don't want to be pointing out someone's blunders to someone else and blame them for it, just because maybe the last person was an idiot.
You should in general base the main case on the replacement, but pay attention to the old behavior. If the old behavior makes you think the original was scum, beat up the replacement until you're sure what their deal is. No matter what, don't let them just lurk around and be disengaged.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 27, 2010, 04:49:40 am
Post by: Vector on December 27, 2010, 04:52:32 am
Thank you, that's helpful.
You are very welcome.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 27, 2010, 04:56:29 am
Because he was replaced by me.
Trollan: Why aren't you voting? If it's because of the random finger pointing, think about it; the whole game is based around it. It will always happen, really.
Why did you just FOS/vote everyone in that post, with nothing to back it up, anyway? What was your point? Did you expect any of us to feel any pressure?
Voted for Ottofar. FOS'd everyone in jest. Didn't expect any of you to react really. :P
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 27, 2010, 12:41:41 pm
OK, riddle me this, if you saw someone you were sure was town, and they were taking a lot of heat, would you either try and take heat off of them, or just sit back and watch them be lynched?Riddle me this, when is this ever the case? There are two ways:
1) you're a cop with a innocent (except even then you're not sure, because of the godfather)
2) you're scum.
And only one of those is townie. One's not even possible since it was Day 1 yesterday.
My point being you can never be sure someone's town unless you're scum.
To answer your question, assuming you meant I was just pretty sure, then firstly I'd wait for that person to point out the issues in the attacker's arguments themselves, and then if they didn't do that, I'd attack whoever was giving them heat for BS arguments, since their arguments would have to be BS for me to be even pretty sure someone was town.
I don't really see the problem with the prediction there. I think he's basically saying: "Wouldn't that just be my luck if the mafia killed everyone I sided with?". I know it's a little out of place because mafia is "srs bsns" but seriously, why so serious?It's a pretty weak point, I admit, but nevertheless it seems scummy to me. Mostly because that's the kind thing I would have done as noobscum. But it's a minor secondary point.
Oh and one more thing,Yes. That's where I've been. But warhammer hasn't said anything relevant since the 21st. And he was pretty useless before then too. My point is that he hasn't really scumhunted.Mod/Zathras: Could we get a lurkertracker report in here? Things have been pretty inactive, and I'd like to know who's been lurkyest.You know why it's been inactive? Holidays. People have families to see.
The lurkertracker is just useful though, and that's why I want that.
Know what I'd like to know? Why you just defended warhammer, Taco Dan. It could be buddying, but since I think he's scum, I must conclude you're defending your scumbuddy.
Seriously, why did you feel the need to defend him?
That's what I thought, but it can never hurt to be sure.Because he was replaced by me.
Trollan: Why aren't you voting? If it's because of the random finger pointing, think about it; the whole game is based around it. It will always happen, really.
Why did you just FOS/vote everyone in that post, with nothing to back it up, anyway? What was your point? Did you expect any of us to feel any pressure?
Voted for Ottofar. FOS'd everyone in jest. Didn't expect any of you to react really. :P
Post by: warhammer651 on December 27, 2010, 01:14:51 pm
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As for the bad form question, I've read through a few games of Mafia, and in about 50% of the ones I've read people jumped on someone who wanted to lynch a person that wanted to lynch them. 9/10, the person reaction voting was a townie. I was just curious if there was any generally accepted etiquette involving this.
As for "taking the heat off of him"... not much of an excuse except to say it was a poor choice of words. I honestly thought he was innocent, and he was.
All I can manage right now. probably gonna head back to bed.
Post by: Akigagak on December 27, 2010, 02:41:04 pm
Post by: Zathras on December 27, 2010, 03:37:18 pm
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Replacements considered: Trollan => KaminaSquirtle; Mindmaker => lordnincompoop; Muz => Zrk2; Vector => IC; Toaster => IC.
The Morgue: Akigagak: dead, town; Lordnincompoop: dead, town.
Moderator: please prod NativeForeigner, Ottofar, Zrk2. They haven't posted in over 36 hours.
Notes:
- The LurkerTracker seems to get confused by people replacing in for others after their own deaths. Lordnincompoop's posts above include both Mindmaker's and his own before his death, instead of having a line for him in the dead section. I also had to add him manually to the morgue.
- Toaster and Vector's posts are included in the IC line, but it probably should be sorted with the Moderator, not with the players.
- Clearly there are more improvements to be made... Stay tuned.
Post by: Ottofar on December 27, 2010, 05:16:54 pm
Post by: warhammer651 on December 27, 2010, 05:27:06 pm
Warhammer, why are you defending Taco Dan?I... what?
Could you please quote where I'm defending Taco, because to the best of my knowledge the only people I've defended are myself and pre-death Nincompoop
Post by: Ottofar on December 27, 2010, 05:41:39 pm
This is exactly why one shouldn't play mafia after 12pm.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 27, 2010, 07:15:28 pm
Native Foreigner:[/color] Who are your top scum picks so far? Why?
I would have to say Zrk2 right now, as he seems to be avoiding attention by keeping his posts short, not doing much, and having little content in his posts. Then again, I also have to read a few things before I can be rock solid on that decision.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 27, 2010, 07:54:08 pm
Know what I'd like to know? Why you just defended warhammer, Taco Dan. It could be buddying, but since I think he's scum, I must conclude you're defending your scumbuddy.I'm sorry, I just thought your reasons weren't good enough when there are other people acting scummier.
Seriously, why did you feel the need to defend him?
Post by: Argembarger on December 27, 2010, 08:28:39 pm
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KaminaSquirtle (0)
Lordnincompoop (0)
NativeForeigner (0)
Ottofar (1) - Lordnincompoop
Taco Dan (1) - Zrk2
Warhammer651 (2) - KaminaSquirtle, Ottofar
Zrk2 (1) - Taco Dan
Not Voting: NativeForeigner, Warhammer651
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Day Two ends Today at 10:00 PM EST!
...I hit modify instead of quote on the last votecount post.
whoops.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 27, 2010, 08:45:43 pm
Wait. You were defending yourself.wait a second...
This is exactly why one shouldn't play mafia after 12pm.
If Ottofar voted because of misreading an argument, why hasn't he changed his vote from me? This might be gross negligence on his part, but the fact that he noticed his mistake and didn't correct it strikes me as being rather scummy.
Ottofar
Post by: Argembarger on December 27, 2010, 10:13:24 pm
Happytown VoteCount:
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KaminaSquirtle (0)
Lordnincompoop (0)
NativeForeigner (0)
Ottofar (2) - Lordnincompoop, Warhammer651
Taco Dan (1) - Zrk2
Warhammer651 (2) - KaminaSquirtle, Ottofar
Zrk2 (1) - Taco Dan
Not Voting: NativeForeigner
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The clouds that have been hanging over the squabbling below begin to thin out slightly.
Slivers of the pale, white moon shine through tendrils of darkness. It is nightfall. Blinding flashes of red and blue from the police barricade illuminate the neighborhood.
The remaining seven are locked. Taco Dan and Zrk2 are screaming at each other. Ottofar and Warhammer651 seem to be the primary targets, but nobody can reach a clear consensus. NativeForeigner stands off to the side, observing.
Eventually, a realization: without a majority, nobody can be safely lynched!
Emotions flaring, these individuals, once very close friends and neighbors, bitterly walk home. A deep feeling of hatred and mistrust settles within their minds.
Night Two has begun! Send in your night actions!
Night Two ends Tomorrow, Dec 28, at 10:00 PM.
Post by: Argembarger on December 28, 2010, 10:28:33 pm
For some reason, you just feel really optimistic. Perhaps it's the bright, cloudless sky, the green grass, the blooming flowers. Who knows.
You just have a good feeling about today.
Where doing this man
Where making this hapen
Oh, but wait, Kamina is nowhere to be seen.
Wait, who's Kamina? You don't even remember a Kamina.
Oh well, you go to this "Kamina" person's house.
Oh dear, he got killed horrifically. It's really indescribably horrible.
You can't even recognize the body.
But this is KaminaSquirtle's house. Oh, wait, Kamina was KaminaSquirtle? Now it all makes sense.
Obviously, KaminaSquirtle is a Normal Townie. Why would anyone think otherwise? Kamina is awesome, and has been for a long time.
Unfortunate that he died horrifically...
Night Two has ended!
Happytown VoteCount:
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Lordnincompoop (0)
NativeForeigner (0)
Ottofar (0)
Taco Dan (0)
Warhammer651 (0)
Zrk2 (0)
Not Voting: Everyone, if you didn't notice.
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Day Three has begun!
Day Three ends Friday, Dec 31, at 10:00 PM.
Post by: Zrk2 on December 28, 2010, 11:39:39 pm
Sorry everyone, been kind of hectic back in the RL.Native Foreigner:[/color] Who are your top scum picks so far? Why?
I would have to say Zrk2 right now, as he seems to be avoiding attention by keeping his posts short, not doing much, and having little content in his posts. Then again, I also have to read a few things before I can be rock solid on that decision.
You wanna go? Creepin around the edges, challengin my moral fibres... Very suspicillyous to me... trying to keep from forming any enemenies.
Native Foreigner, I choose you!
Post by: warhammer651 on December 29, 2010, 11:22:02 am
Ottofar, really dodged the bullet there, didn't you? Good.
*stuff*
You wanna go? Creepin around the edges, challengin my moral fibres... Very suspicillyous to me... trying to keep from forming any enemenies.
Native Foreigner, I choose you!
A curious choice of phrase right there. Makes it seem like you two are buddying. Zrk2, I'm keeping my eye on you.
Post by: Argembarger on December 29, 2010, 11:23:50 am
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 29, 2010, 01:18:48 pm
Ottofar, really dodged the bullet there, didn't you? Good.Sorry everyone, been kind of hectic back in the RL.Native Foreigner:[/color] Who are your top scum picks so far? Why?
I would have to say Zrk2 right now, as he seems to be avoiding attention by keeping his posts short, not doing much, and having little content in his posts. Then again, I also have to read a few things before I can be rock solid on that decision.
You wanna go? Creepin around the edges, challengin my moral fibres... Very suspicillyous to me... trying to keep from forming any enemenies.
Native Foreigner, I choose you!
See, this is what I mean, your posts are strange and lack any explanation. You're voting for me, now you're supposed to defend your case against me. Maybe ask a few questions, bring up some posts from before, and clarify/explain your suspicions. Please do so or I'll be forced to believe that you're scum.
Ottofar, how do you feel about not being lynched yesterday and do you think you'll continue to be in danger today?
Warhammer, Kamina was after you by day's end. Given that it was he that was NKed, do you think that looks bad for you? Or are you not worried?
Taco Dan, please explain why you're not scum. Kamina was getting pretty heated towards you, but didn't vote for you, which meant that he could have been a "safe" NK without drawing too much attention towards yourself. What do you make of this NK?
Post by: warhammer651 on December 29, 2010, 01:24:29 pm
Does this make me look bad? I won't pretend it doesn't.
Warhammer, Kamina was after you by day's end. Given that it was he that was NKed, do you think that looks bad for you? Or are you not worried?
Am I worried? Taking into account a) this is just a game b) I'm sick with what I'm fairly certain is the flu still c) I have two major projects due when I go back to school and d)I haven't started on either, I would say that I am slightly concerned, but more pressing matters are taking up most of my reserves of worrying.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 29, 2010, 01:38:20 pm
Does this make me look bad? I won't pretend it doesn't.
Warhammer, Kamina was after you by day's end. Given that it was he that was NKed, do you think that looks bad for you? Or are you not worried?
Am I worried? Taking into account a) this is just a game b) I'm sick with what I'm fairly certain is the flu still c) I have two major projects due when I go back to school and d)I haven't started on either, I would say that I am slightly concerned, but more pressing matters are taking up most of my reserves of worrying.
That's a good, understandable answer. Even though this is a beginner's mafia, it would still be a big mistake for scum to make, which is why I didn't instantly write you off as scum. But it doesn't put you any closer to town, either. So I'll be watching you.
Post by: Ottofar on December 30, 2010, 08:55:04 am
You should hang for that. Unfortunately we're at MyLo, so
No Lynch,
Ottofar, how do you feel about not being lynched yesterday and do you think you'll continue to be in danger today?Hell no. Not today. Tomorrow, perhaps, but not today.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 30, 2010, 09:07:36 am
Taco Dan, please explain why you're not scum. Kamina was getting pretty heated towards you, but didn't vote for you, which meant that he could have been a "safe" NK without drawing too much attention towards yourself. What do you make of this NK?It makes plenty of sense to me, Zrk2's obviously trying to get me off his back by making me look suspicious. It's textbook mafia behavior and the fact that he's gone unnoticed for so long really bothers me. I mean, he's been the scummiest guy this whole game, is there any reason he shouldn't hang?
Post by: warhammer651 on December 30, 2010, 10:11:54 am
Warhammer, did you just force a no-lynch?An interesting question. Allow me to ask my own is response:
Warhammer, why are you defending Taco Dan?
Wait. You were defending yourself.Yestrday you voted for me because you thought it was odd I was defending Taco Dan; In reality however, you just misread the discussion.
This is exactly why one shouldn't play mafia after 12pm.
So why didn't you unvote? If it was out of malice, it marks you down as being VERY scummy. If it was an honest mistake, then I wouldn't have voted yestrday and we would still have a no lynch.
Post by: Ottofar on December 30, 2010, 11:21:14 am
That's why I left my vote on you.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 30, 2010, 11:30:04 am
Post by: Ottofar on December 30, 2010, 11:39:33 am
A situatiob, where town can no-lynch safely, but mislynch will cause loss.
Post by: Trollan on December 30, 2010, 01:37:33 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on December 30, 2010, 06:04:15 pm
Because I'M BRAND FREAKING NEW TO MAFIA!!!
I look so suspicious because I am trying to make myself look so absurd no one would see me as a mafia member.
TacoDan just wants to get rid of me because he is afraid I make him look bad.
And no one gets reasons from me because they would make me too obvious for lynching by the mob because it would show how accurate my reasoning is!
Post by: Taco Dan on December 30, 2010, 06:55:00 pm
Why do I look so scummy?As you've probably guessed, your tactic for avoiding suspicion just ends up backfiring on you. I learned the hard way in my first two games that town should not go out of their way to avoid suspicion, that's a very obviously scummy thing to do. On top of that, acting weird to avoid suspicion has never helped ANYONE as far as I know.
Because I'M BRAND FREAKING NEW TO MAFIA!!!
I look so suspicious because I am trying to make myself look so absurd no one would see me as a mafia member.
And no one gets reasons from me because they would make me too obvious for lynching by the mob because it would show how accurate my reasoning is!This part I don't get either, the job of town isn't to not die, it's to root out and kill scum. You see, even if you die, and town wins, you still win. How does accurate reasoning get you lynched? And how do we know your reasoning is so accurate?
I'm sorry, but this looks too much like a final plea of scum backed into a corner, and it's also way too little, way too late. It might have worked mid-day 2, but not now.
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 30, 2010, 07:02:39 pm
Taco Dan, you're not off the hook, Zrk2 is just scummier right now.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 30, 2010, 07:10:25 pm
No, but there should always be a lynch, Except in MyLo.Wait, so you didn't look for someone else to vote who was looking more scummy? Like Zrk2 for instance? Ladies and gentlemen, we have our scumteam!
That's why I left my vote on you.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 30, 2010, 07:17:37 pm
Because you are scum.
Sorry for lurkiness yalls, if you noticed. I was busy working on a number of things IRL. Like my English essay(s).
Post by: Taco Dan on December 30, 2010, 07:19:28 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 30, 2010, 07:20:46 pm
Oh hey I forgot you were even here still.
Yeah I'm a zombie back from the dead.
That said I still have mah fingah on yoo Ottofar.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 30, 2010, 07:26:02 pm
Zrk- he's trying to be absurd so no one suspects him. Since a good mafia tactic (from what I've gathered at least) is to AVOID suspicion. From his posts, i've inferred that he's innovating.
Ottofar- Knew he made a mistake and didn't change his vote. He says there should always be a lynch, and that was his reason for not voting. This Strikes me as being rather scummy
Question is, Who's the third one? or are there only 2?
Post by: Taco Dan on December 30, 2010, 07:29:38 pm
Post by: warhammer651 on December 30, 2010, 07:29:48 pm
Question is, Who's the third one? or are there only 2?Disregard this, I derp'ed a bit there
Post by: warhammer651 on December 30, 2010, 07:30:40 pm
I'm pretty sure there's only two, seeing as how pretty much everyone else is pointing at Zrk2.
That, and there's 6 of us left. If there were 3 mafia they would have won already
Post by: Zrk2 on December 30, 2010, 07:58:09 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 30, 2010, 08:02:25 pm
Well, it appears I can do nothing to clear my name. Ok, lynch me.
Really? Giving up so soon?
This is possibly the worst thing you can do in any game. I'd have gladly listened to any better points you could have come up with, and it may even have saved you, but now your fate is as good as sealed.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 30, 2010, 08:04:44 pm
Well, it appears I can do nothing to clear my name. Ok, lynch me.This just confirms that he's scum, really. Just giving up is not a non-scum trait
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 30, 2010, 08:08:31 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 30, 2010, 08:10:10 pm
Post by: Argembarger on December 30, 2010, 08:14:15 pm
When does the day even end?
Tomorrow at 10 PM EST.
Official vote count shall be posted later.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 30, 2010, 08:17:03 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 30, 2010, 09:16:18 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 31, 2010, 12:04:36 am
I should have looked more closely at when the day was ending. Hit me by surprise there. 0_0
Good luck town.
Post by: Zrk2 on December 31, 2010, 12:40:18 am
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 31, 2010, 12:48:52 am
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 31, 2010, 05:32:18 am
If you're trying to pull off some reverse-psychology thing though, you're failing miserably.
Post by: Taco Dan on December 31, 2010, 05:42:07 am
Post by: Taco Dan on December 31, 2010, 05:44:25 am
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 31, 2010, 05:49:21 am
Post by: Taco Dan on December 31, 2010, 05:58:12 am
Post by: NativeForeigner on December 31, 2010, 12:26:05 pm
How are those posts of yours useful or constructive in any way whatsoever, Taco Dan?
They gave me a chuckle. >_>
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 31, 2010, 01:09:30 pm
How are those posts of yours useful or constructive in any way whatsoever, Taco Dan?
They gave me a chuckle. >_>
Oi! No fun allowed in this thread! Mafia is srs bsns!
Post by: Ottofar on December 31, 2010, 03:51:52 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 31, 2010, 03:52:46 pm
Post by: Ottofar on December 31, 2010, 03:57:52 pm
I doubt zrk's scummitude.
Scum should be more afraid of dying, I don't think they'd give up.
I mean, I personally wouldn't.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 31, 2010, 04:46:59 pm
'S who I think is scum.
I doubt zrk's scummitude.
Scum should be more afraid of dying, I don't think they'd give up.
I mean, I personally wouldn't.
Perhaps you should have said this earlier then, when we still had an opposing party.
And why should scum fear death more than the rest of us? This point can apply to both factions, and neither should give up.
My suspicions of you, Ottofar, are also starting to increase. You are pretty much the only person here that is not on the bandwagon. You put up these arguments relatively late in the day, and they are few. Not only that, your "scumlist" is composed of the three principal voters against Zrk2. Wouldn't it be so convenient if these people were to be eliminated? With them gone, you would most likely face much less resistance.
To me this smells of somebody trying to save their scumpartner at the last minute. You're trying to stop the bandwagon on your precious partner by throwing out these words of doubt, and at the same time trying to cast suspicion on the ones who started it, knowing that they may go after you next, thus ending the game in the Town's favour.
Post by: warhammer651 on December 31, 2010, 05:15:55 pm
Scum should be more afraid of dying, I don't think they'd give up.Don't quite agree with this argument.
In fact, Zrk is basically just saying "Fine! Go ahead and lynch me! but trust me, You'll regret it!" which just smacks of being scum to me.
My second argument is slightly meta, but it helps explain the first one. When you accuse a townie of being scum, their first thought is "No, you're wrong" whilst the first thought of scum that get's accused is "Crap, they got me". This is where the Meta bit comes in, People on this forum like to debate, but will back down if they believe the other person is right. Thusly, it stands to reason that even though they need to stay alive to win, the Scum will put up less of a fight. This would be doubly true for anyone who's new to the game (read everyone in this game), if only because they don't know how to defend themselves well.
Post by: Zrk2 on December 31, 2010, 05:54:08 pm
Scum should be more afraid of dying, I don't think they'd give up.Don't quite agree with this argument.
In fact, Zrk is basically just saying "Fine! Go ahead and lynch me! but trust me, You'll regret it!" which just smacks of being scum to me.
My second argument is slightly meta, but it helps explain the first one. When you accuse a townie of being scum, their first thought is "No, you're wrong" whilst the first thought of scum that get's accused is "Crap, they got me". This is where the Meta bit comes in, People on this forum like to debate, but will back down if they believe the other person is right. Thusly, it stands to reason that even though they need to stay alive to win, the Scum will put up less of a fight. This would be doubly true for anyone who's new to the game (read everyone in this game), if only because they don't know how to defend themselves well.
You wanna metagame this shit? Ok.
You all want to lynch me because you are all secretly insecure and want to be part of the group. I imagine most of those out to lynch me are scum, co-ordinating on my lack of aptitude to ensure they are inconspicuous, while still getting rid of a legit townie.
TacoDan has been zealously hounding me for quite some time. He is clearly covering his scumduggery.
Post by: lordnincompoop on December 31, 2010, 06:04:40 pm
Scum should be more afraid of dying, I don't think they'd give up.Don't quite agree with this argument.
In fact, Zrk is basically just saying "Fine! Go ahead and lynch me! but trust me, You'll regret it!" which just smacks of being scum to me.
My second argument is slightly meta, but it helps explain the first one. When you accuse a townie of being scum, their first thought is "No, you're wrong" whilst the first thought of scum that get's accused is "Crap, they got me". This is where the Meta bit comes in, People on this forum like to debate, but will back down if they believe the other person is right. Thusly, it stands to reason that even though they need to stay alive to win, the Scum will put up less of a fight. This would be doubly true for anyone who's new to the game (read everyone in this game), if only because they don't know how to defend themselves well.
You wanna metagame this shit? Ok.
You all want to lynch me because you are all secretly insecure and want to be part of the group. I imagine most of those out to lynch me are scum, co-ordinating on my lack of aptitude to ensure they are inconspicuous, while still getting rid of a legit townie.
TacoDan has been zealously hounding me for quite some time. He is clearly covering his scumduggery.
This is not metagaming. These are ad hominem attacks.
Do not do this. It's rude and uncalled for.
Post by: Zrk2 on December 31, 2010, 08:01:48 pm
Post by: Argembarger on January 01, 2011, 04:07:21 am
So yeah new year's festitudes caught me off guard.
Happy new year! Game modextended to Whenever I Wake Up Later Today.
Post by: Ottofar on January 01, 2011, 02:24:04 pm
Nah. I'dn't do that. Not if I'm this much outta the spotlight. Especially if ev'ryone is agreeing on a lynch. Ah well. If I'm right, we'll lose today.'S who I think is scum.
I doubt zrk's scummitude.
Scum should be more afraid of dying, I don't think they'd give up.
I mean, I personally wouldn't.
Perhaps you should have said this earlier then, when we still had an opposing party.
And why should scum fear death more than the rest of us? This point can apply to both factions, and neither should give up.
My suspicions of you, Ottofar, are also starting to increase. You are pretty much the only person here that is not on the bandwagon. You put up these arguments relatively late in the day, and they are few. Not only that, your "scumlist" is composed of the three principal voters against Zrk2. Wouldn't it be so convenient if these people were to be eliminated? With them gone, you would most likely face much less resistance.
To me this smells of somebody trying to save their scumpartner at the last minute. You're trying to stop the bandwagon on your precious partner by throwing out these words of doubt, and at the same time trying to cast suspicion on the ones who started it, knowing that they may go after you next, thus ending the game in the Town's favour.
Post by: lordnincompoop on January 01, 2011, 02:26:24 pm
Nah. I'dn't do that. Not if I'm this much outta the spotlight. Especially if ev'ryone is agreeing on a lynch. Ah well. If I'm right, we'll lose today.
You confound me yet again with your wording. Care to elaborate? :I
Post by: Ottofar on January 01, 2011, 02:36:16 pm
We'll lose because there is six of us. Lynch reduces the amount to five. NK to four. 2:2 scum-town ratio.
I wouldn't do it, since no one's paying a lot of attention to me.
Post by: Zrk2 on January 01, 2011, 03:28:28 pm
Post by: Ottofar on January 01, 2011, 03:38:33 pm
Post by: Argembarger on January 01, 2011, 05:03:46 pm
Happytown VoteCount:
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Taco Dan (1) - Zrk2
Zrk2 (4) - Lordnincompoop, NativeForeigner, Taco Dan, Warhammer651
No Lynch (1) - Ottofar
Not Voting: NativeForeigner
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
The debates rang out as usual, with little progress being made. The final 6 individuals locked in this puzzle of innocence and guilt strained to figure out who they should possibly lynch.
Suddenly, a voice rang out over the hubbub. The voice of Zrk2.
"Gee, I sure hope I don't get lynched..."
Zrk2 got lynched immediately. Ottofar stood off to the side saying, "guys, we probably shouldn't do this", but it was too late.
As Zrk2 gets hanged, his wallet falls out of his pocket, erm, somehow. You all flip through it, and find his Cop's Badge.
Oh shit you just killed a cop that's horrible
You all run to bed and hope for the best... It all seems rather bleak and hopeless, though.
Night Three has begun! Send in your night actions!
Night Three ends when I feel like it.
Post by: Argembarger on January 03, 2011, 11:58:19 pm
There were only 3 townies left; if one of them died, it would all be over: Town would be outnumbered by the mafia, and mafia would finish everyone off.
Lordnincompoop could save the day, he was a doctor after all. He slipped over to Warhammer651's house to stake it out.
He then watched Warhammer leave his house. Odd.
Lordnincompoop followed behind.
Warhammer headed to Taco Dan's place. Double odd.
Taco Dan came outside with a big smile on his face. They both headed over to Ottofar's pad. Lordnincompoop followed.
They stood at Ottofar's front door. They knocked. Ottofar answered after some time had passed.
"Hey there bucko, time to die."
Gunblasts rang out. Ottofar was thrown away from the doorway in a wave of smoke, bullets and blood. Zombie Lordnincompoop made a zombie gasp.
"Scum!" Whoops, too loud.
Warhammer651 and Taco Dan turned around.
"Why hello there, Zombie Lordnincompoop. Surprised? Let me introduce myself. I am the Godfather. Taco Dan over here is my Roleblocker pal. We're here to take this town over; and it looks like we have done just that. Shame you didn't stay dead earlier, now you'll have to experience it all over again."
Lordnincompoop felt the embrace of oblivion for a second time.
Knock.
Knock. Knock.
Knock.
You answer the door.
You see the inside of a gunbarrel. Hm, interesting. So that's what it looks like.
A flash of light, a whiff of gunpowder, a splitting headache later, you are a pile of lifeless organic material on the ground.
Your spirit heads off to the afterlife (http://quicktopic.com/45/H/8DTQJYbuJ45).
And this one, too. (http://quicktopic.com/45/H/AJ8LKe33JHUM)
Police Chief Toaster conferred at the Mobile HQ. The wiretap had been successful, and a very damning conversation had been recorded because of it. (http://quicktopic.com/45/H/Nec3qZxBCC2) Out of the corner of his eye, he sees the two perps in question walking out in the open. Excellent. Good morning, scum, Toaster thought, I'm sure to be re-elected after this.
"Stop right there, scum! We know it's you two, put your weapons down and your hands up!" Toaster shouted, pointing at Warhammer with his trusty police-issued handgun.
"Of course it's us, everyone else is dead! We've won, don't you see? It's far too late for your intervention, Toaster. Tell him, IronyOwl."
IronyOwl steps out of the shadows.
"Foiled again there, Toaster. You never have been able to stop us, have you?"
"Gah, Irony! I should have known. A little far from Italy, eh?"
"None of that matters now, your town is ours."
"I think not, if you haven't noticed, you're surrounded by police! And the National Guard! And Special Forces! Surrender, all three of you, or we'll be obligated to use deadly force!"
"Silly Toaster, always thinking short-term. I don't know if you've noticed, but YOU are the ones who are surrounded."
Toaster turned around. Sure enough, he saw a solid wall of Mafiosos stretching all down Main Street, all of them holding guns, all of them pointed at Toaster and his fellow police officers.
"Your shenanigans with our two agents, Taco Dan and Warhammer, gave us just the time we needed to slip into Happytown en masse. You'll find similar things happening in other towns as well, all over America. Scum are taking over, and there's nothing you can do about it."
"No! Never!" Toaster shouted. He proceeded to open fire on IronyOwl, who casually slipped behind cover. A whistle was heard, and the world was rocked by innumerable gunblasts. Happytown itself was shredded fine by scumbullets.
The End! Scum Won! I hope everyone had a good time!
Spoiler: Role PMs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Night 1 PMs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Night 2 PMs (click to show/hide)
Post by: Argembarger on January 04, 2011, 12:10:45 am
Don't be shy! This is where the learning happens.
Post by: Taco Dan on January 04, 2011, 12:19:24 am
I am pretty proud of myself for actually acting town the first time I wasn't one.
Post by: Akigagak on January 04, 2011, 01:02:46 am
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on January 04, 2011, 01:24:48 am
Probably not, since that would make me an asshole.
Anyway, my thoughts on the game, in no real order:
The day ending there when I wasn't expecting it was a stupid oversight of mine, and may have lost town the game. I mean the the day ending time was there in HUGE LETTERS!
Lurking killed town.
Zrk's behavior made no sense as town or scum. I concluded he was town since, in my experience, scum generally don't do stupid things like that. I'm not sure why, but I think it has something to do with having a team depending on you when you're scum, and not wanting to let the team down.
The lack of actual scumhunting in this game was, to be frank, appalling. Did no one read Dak's scumhunting guide?
Toaster and Irony was both very good ICs. Good job guys.
Mindmaker is definitely ready for some real games. Only playing in games with these replace-fests must be annoying.
Scum got away with A LOT of stuff they would get a lot of crap for in a real game. Why did no one follow up on my posts?
Scum, why did you NK Lordnincompoop Day 1? I was writing up a post against before I realized he was dead. He was looking very scummy to me. It even helped me realize some of things he did when he was reborn were normal for his town game.
Why did you lynch on MYLO, town?
Why did you not notice that warhammer tied the vote to save himself, town? His reason was pretty obviously BS.
Zrk, not to be rude, but please try to learn to play the game, okay? Not just roleplay like a madman.
You won fair and square, scum. Good game.
That scumchat was tiny.
Quote from: Ironyowl in scumchat
Kamina's pretty sharpThank you. *Bows*
Quote from: Ironyowl
Very clever, but tying the vote to save yourself will doubtlessly draw heat. Less heat than being lynched, of course.I wish. I wish.
Quote from: Taco Dan in scumchat
I've found it's easier to be mafia, because you already know who (or in this case who not) to kill. Scum can make it through the game with hardly any scumtells, while the town panics and runs screaming in circles.Not to rain on your parade, but this was very much a BM thing. You certainly did not make it through the game with no scumtells. I honestly have no idea why people didn't care that you defended warhammer as if my accusations were aimed at you. Even I caught on to that, and there are many players out there that are better than me.
Though I do find that scum is easier to play, if only because I have a disproportionate amount of experience as scum. I honestly don't know how good/bad my town game is.
Oh hey wow, I was Mafia? Man, I didn't even know!Don't get cocky. I did after my BM, and see what happened to me in Pararnormal 17. You did not act like town.
I am pretty proud of myself for actually acting town the first time I wasn't one.
You did pretty well, though. :P Not perfect, by far, but pretty well. You did win, after all.
And I think I'll stop it there. I feel as if I've already given too much of my opinion on how people played. I mean, if someone wants to know how I thought they played, I might write something up, but I think that's enough unasked for stuff. :-\
I'm honestly amazed I hit both scum. So proud. 8)
*hopes this wasn't a fluke*
Post by: warhammer651 on January 04, 2011, 06:57:22 am
Spoiler: Ahem (click to show/hide)
Well that was entertaining to say the least.
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Scum, why did you NK Lordnincompoop Day 1?I honestly don't remember why we NKed him on the first nght.
Post by: Zathras on January 04, 2011, 08:51:56 am
Some thoughts from an outside observer:
a) Lurking kills games! The first lesson you should learn from this BM (as indeed from others) is this: don't fucking lurk! If you're town, it helps the scum; and if you're scum, it doesn't taste nearly as sweet. Play the friggin' game! Don't let it be forgotten for days! sure, holidays and whatnot, and it was still adequate, but your participation is what makes the game fun, not just for you, but for others. Never forget that.
b) Great flavour! Props to Argembarger for the Happytown motif and interesting action PMs. It's the flavour that makes a game enjoyable. You don't need to roleplay for it to provide immersion; the flavour's existence is enough to inspire you.
c) Kamina is right on two points: don't get cocky; and don't think you weren't transparent. The scum made both a good and bad choice in killing him off: good because it ensured their triumph, bad because the town was lost before and became lost again without him. Town! You need to get a clue! But you do that by playing, and at least now you've seen it done.
d) Arg: your modding was OK, but not great. There were times when a votecount or a notice for extension or the imminent day end warnings were not present. It's your job to make sure every player knows what's going on, and there were times when day/night events were a surprise: this is your failing. That's OK, we've all screwed up something, but for the future, please make sure you prod inactive players, post ample notices for day ends, and leave no room for ambiguity. The mod should be always reliable, never surprising. Tell people what you're doing and when.
e) The Zombie factor: I am conflicted about this. On the one hand, replacements are some times inevitable; on the other hand, they confuse more than help, especially in a BM game. I'd rather everyone is active and plays the game to its conclusion, and it's nice of dead players to volunteer to help, but on the other hand, Zombie SoAndSo gets things much more complicated than they need to be. I have no answers here, just a general sense of dissatisfaction. it was well handled, but it felt forced.
I'd like to hear opinions from the town players. Please answer these questions if you can:
1) Did you enjoy the game? Will you play again?
2) Was it active enough; just right; or too active for you?
3) How important do you fell the flavour quality is for your enjoyment of the game? What factors are more important?
4) How about the ICs? Were Toaster, IronyOwl & Vector able to tell you what you needed to know, guide you through the mafia thought process, and enhance your enjoyment of the game?
5) Given what you now know the game is, how would you make a Beginner's Mafia game better?
Thank you to all players, it was a fun game. I hope to see many of you stick around for other games, but remember: it takes a lot of reading, a lot of posting, and a lot of thinking. Now you know how much. We're playing only with forum posts here; so the game total is the sum of what the players put into it, so please do join more games only if you can keep up and add to the general wealth of text, scumhunting, flavour, and fun.
We want you to stay and play, but ask only one thing of you in return: keep up.
PS: Kamina, don't you get cocky either. Sure, you called the scum, while I was thinking it was Ottofar, and you've got some other recent victories, but come play more games: put your money where your mouth is. We all get some, miss some, and you've been doing great, but we want to see more of you.
Post by: Argembarger on January 04, 2011, 10:13:21 am
b) Great flavour! Props to Argembarger for the Happytown motif and interesting action PMs. It's the flavour that makes a game enjoyable. You don't need to roleplay for it to provide immersion; the flavour's existence is enough to inspire you.
Thanks, man.
I think I had too much fun with the flavor.
At one point I had to settle an issue through PMs because the night two flavor came with consequences I hadn't foreseen... But that won't happen again! And it didn't turn out to be that big of a deal and didn't reveal anything it shouldn't've.
d) Arg: your modding was OK, but not great. There were times when a votecount or a notice for extension or the imminent day end warnings were not present. It's your job to make sure every player knows what's going on, and there were times when day/night events were a surprise: this is your failing. That's OK, we've all screwed up something, but for the future, please make sure you prod inactive players, post ample notices for day ends, and leave no room for ambiguity. The mod should be always reliable, never surprising. Tell people what you're doing and when.
Whaaa? Vote Zathra-
Erm, sorry, just had a little flashback there. The Mafia never quite ended for me.
Thanks; yeah most of my problems were simply that my organization started to slip and crumble as time went on; eventually things got close to unmaintainable.
Probably because I was playing two games at the same time.
I'm seriously gonna limit myself to a max of two simultaneous ins, or one in and one mod.
But I hope to mod again! It was fun. And pretty relaxing compared to playing, haha.
Post by: Ottofar on January 04, 2011, 10:40:10 am
I should've just pushed Warhammer. I knew he was scum.
Post by: lordnincompoop on January 04, 2011, 10:43:38 am
And dammit warhammer and Taco were scum.
Post by: NativeForeigner on January 04, 2011, 12:15:33 pm
Warhammer, Kamina was after you by day's end. Given that it was he that was NKed, do you think that looks bad for you? Or are you not worried?
Taco Dan, please explain why you're not scum. Kamina was getting pretty heated towards you, but didn't vote for you, which meant that he could have been a "safe" NK without drawing too much attention towards yourself. What do you make of this NK?
Shoulda never let those two go, but Zrk2 got to me. :/
Good game though. Less lurking than my first BM (but just barely). Flavor was good, which is pretty important to me, it makes games more interesting and fun. Otherwise the game would seem rather bland and I might not like it as much. Future games could be better through forced participation. >_>
Post by: Zrk2 on January 04, 2011, 03:33:17 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on January 04, 2011, 03:38:47 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on January 04, 2011, 03:54:06 pm
Post by: Taco Dan on January 04, 2011, 04:12:56 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 04, 2011, 09:50:24 pm
Good game, and I hope you first-timers enjoyed it and join in again!
Post by: IronyOwl on January 05, 2011, 03:05:11 am
Toaster and Irony was both very good ICs. Good job guys.
Props to IronyOwl for being a very helpful IC throughout the game.Thanks. :D
I was surprised how little coaching scum needed, though. Neither jumped at all when Kamina hit the nail on the head, for instance, or when one was caught defending the other. They definitely had scumtells, but jumpiness wasn't one of them.
Very much loved the flavor. Didn't get to see most of it until now, of course, but I'd assume it made the game more enjoyable for all involved.
Post by: Muz on January 05, 2011, 02:14:41 pm
So, personally, I didn't like the pace at all. On town's side, it gave a lot of time to go around and interrogate everyone. On scum's side, it gives someone half a day and a nap to calm down and think of a good response after a sharp accusation. I thought that poking lordnincompoop1 was hard because there was no actual pressure for most of the week, only when it reached the deadline did he crack and appear non-scummy.
I'm going to stick to mafia games with 1 day timespans and allowing real-time discussion. The long term games seem a bit heavy on time and I'm just not eager to log onto the forums 10 times a day and see nothing going on half the time and extreme finger pointing after a few days.
Heh, I was playing cop in the game before this too, and found the doctor. Was lynched for tossing an accusation out and the mafia bandwagoned on killing me half an hour before voting ended, which was why I hate late voting. The bright side to that was that I kept the doctor alive until the end of the game and everyone spotted the maf mid-game for the bandwagon votes.
Argembarger was a good moderator, barring a few mistakes, but overall made it fun and helped take the stress off the game.
So... wait. Rather than back down from a lynch he wasn't sure of and Investigating me that night, the Cop chose to just let me die? : /
Akigagak, you were acting very scummy, lurking until prodded. I was convinced it was either you or warhammer (had the suspicion off lordnin, but warhammer was just being too nice). Like lordnin1, you started appearing less scummy after a few prods, I wanted to keep it going but fell asleep while refreshing the page. Which was why you should've been more active :P
Also, the votes were even so leaving the vote on you would make it a no lynch. If I unvoted, I'd be dead, but Mindmaker unvoted for me when I went to bed.
warhammer, rather poor throughout the game, but the godfather thing saved you from suspicion. I would've stuck up in defense of you late in the game because I didn't expect a godfather to be playing in this game, and I certainly didn't expect him to be defending you. Great ploy in killing lordnin at the start too to look innocent as I had linked you two.
Taco Dan, IMO, great playing, at least on the first day. Good move turning more aggressive against the scumhunter on the second day too without appearing too suspicious. A few mistakes from the second day on, but good enough to stay safe.
KaminaSquirtle was probably the best town player starting from day 2. I agree with everything he's commented on the game.
Mindmaker was good from the start, good at pinning everyone without being too suspicious.
lordnincompoop should have scumhunted more. Zombie lordnin/mindmaker was a lot better than the first incarnation, and good job continuing from Mindmaker's in-game personality.
Ottofar should have been much more active. Honestly, you'd be my 3rd suspicion just for popping in so rarely and not contributing much to the scumhunting.
Zrk2, you are a complete freaking idiot. I'd fully think you were a scum who ran out of defense mechanisms and just went out to be annoying to everyone. The best way to get killed is to act all "oh, i cant defend myself, you guys are going to kill me anyway". Even a blatant "I'm innocent guys, really!" speech works better. Besides, you had the big fat Cop card. Just admit you were a cop, expose everyone who you found innocent. If you went down, you'd be releasing some information for people to work with (even if one of that info was false).
But your playing was just so fricking horrible that I'd report you to future moderators as a troll and refuse to play any games with you. It's forgivable as it's a Beginner's Mafia, but still horrible.
Normally the power roles are harder to play because the maf will be trying to sniff you out and hit you and it's hard to get information onto the table. I liked the beginner's mafia in that most of the power roles might not exist, making the cop and doctor roles a gamble if you reveal them and unlikely enough that scum wouldn't actively look for them. Cop was nice to get because revealing every investigation result would give a 'second life' or even a third life if the doctor protected him.
Post by: lordnincompoop on January 05, 2011, 02:36:13 pm
I'd like to hear opinions from the town players. Please answer these questions if you can:
1) Did you enjoy the game? Will you play again?
2) Was it active enough; just right; or too active for you?
3) How important do you fell the flavour quality is for your enjoyment of the game? What factors are more important?
4) How about the ICs? Were Toaster, IronyOwl & Vector able to tell you what you needed to know, guide you through the mafia thought process, and enhance your enjoyment of the game?
5) Given what you now know the game is, how would you make a Beginner's Mafia game better?
1) I most definitely will, though I'm still just flailing around in the games. :-\
2) This one was just right for me, actually. it was off to a slow start, and kinda dragged off at the end but yeah.
3) I thought it was very good, and I think it's quite important to the game. The most important factor is of course how well the game is moderated, and how well the moderator can deal with errors, conflicts etc. and know how much info to divulge (if any).
4) I unfortunately didn't have much interaction with the ICs. I had none with IronyOwl, not being a scum, and I don't remember having any with Kamina either (or maybe I did?).
5) More people, for one, and more of a teaching/learning mentality would be nice. Maybe even someone going "See, these were the scum's tells" would be nice, so we know what we're looking for next time.
I thought that poking lordnincompoop1 was hard because there was no actual pressure for most of the week, only when it reached the deadline did he crack and appear non-scummy.
Eh? Cracking is a towntell? I always thought it was the other way 'round, most of the time.
Post by: Ottofar on January 05, 2011, 03:08:25 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on January 05, 2011, 03:11:16 pm
Post by: Argembarger on January 05, 2011, 04:46:46 pm
no
that is an epic misinterpretation
I did not tell you not to reveal your findings
I told you not to mention The Untouchables (something that I accidently included in multiple people's night flavor
This was my post
Erm
I didn't realize this until after I wrote up the PMs
But you could easily mention The Untouchables to prove that you are a cop to Ottofar
Please don't do that, it wouldn't be fair and I didn't think about this being possible until afterwards
I don't want to modkill you but if you use that information to prove you are a cop I may have to do so to keep the game fair for the scum.
It would make me happy if you didn't let my mistake break the game.
Thanks.
That said nothing about not revealing your findings; I just didn't want you to mention that one bit of flavor.
If that confused you, I'm sorry, you should have said something earlier.
Post by: Argembarger on January 05, 2011, 04:49:23 pm
"I'm a cop, Ottofar is town"
and
"I'm a cop, I saw Ottofar watching The Untouchables, he is town"
The first version is what you would see in a normal mafia game. A claim that can be doubted.
The second version instantly confirms ottofar as town, and you as a cop, to everyone
It was a mistake on my part but I thought I had made it better.
Oh well, sorry guys. Join the next BM, I'll do better.
Post by: lordnincompoop on January 05, 2011, 05:03:40 pm
...Wait, what/who are the Untouchables?
Post by: NativeForeigner on January 05, 2011, 05:11:28 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on January 05, 2011, 06:21:12 pm
How would mentioning The Untouchables help Zrk2's case?
...Wait, what/who are the Untouchables?
It's a movie where Sean Connery and some other guy take down Al Capone. And that was a misinterpertation on my part, I should have checked. Oh well, lesson learned.
Post by: Ottofar on January 05, 2011, 06:40:20 pm
It was in both our Flavor PMs that night. Zrk mentioning it would've allowed his coppery confirmation.
Heh. That misunderstanding cost a day, and win for town.
Post by: Zrk2 on January 05, 2011, 06:43:56 pm
Post by: Ottofar on January 05, 2011, 06:46:07 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on January 05, 2011, 06:46:57 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on January 05, 2011, 06:57:08 pm
Rather like me, there must be a host of total fails when you get a collection of noobs trying to find the rats, with no concrete information.
Post by: Taco Dan on January 05, 2011, 09:06:07 pm
Post by: Muz on January 06, 2011, 02:21:06 am
I thought that poking lordnincompoop1 was hard because there was no actual pressure for most of the week, only when it reached the deadline did he crack and appear non-scummy.
Eh? Cracking is a towntell? I always thought it was the other way 'round, most of the time.
Everyone cracks under enough pressure. It's all about how they crack. I've taken note of how I crack every time.. I'd be "No, I'm not a mafia, I'm a ____!" and everyone would go "Oh, ok." It's a lot more believable if you crack as a specific role.
When town cracks, they usually show nothing. Whether you're relying on just gut instinct or analyzing it, you'd see nothing. When there's nothing, it's a good towntell. Akigagak covered up his cracks by countering with an attack on me, which made it hazy to tell whether he was really town or scum covering up as town.
When scum crack, they've got nothing but scum underneath the shell. They'll quickly try to cover up the crack with townieness, and that results in an inconsistent story. Or they cover it by becoming batshit insane (like Zrk) or more aggressive because they don't have any facts to cover up for themselves. It's really hard to play as scum, because lying is very difficult for everyone. The best that scum can do is to make up a back story to fall back on to when they crack. My favorite tactic when playing scum is to have whoever is under too much pressure to pretend to be a cop/doctor, when they get cornered, they'll get in a fight with the real cop/doctor for the roleblocker to hone in on.
Personally, I find these beginner mafia games the hardest because there's so many plain roles. A scum could very easily act as a town. In other games where you've got like 5 power roles, 3 scum, 3 town, all the scum would pretend to be town (not power roles), and you can pick everyone off by simply targeting the town guys. In beginner mafia, there's mostly town, and the scum can very easily act as one. I'd actually like to see a BM with pros, and see if it fares better than with beginners.
Post by: Toaster on January 06, 2011, 09:11:10 am
Post by: Zrk2 on January 06, 2011, 05:38:53 pm
Post by: Vector on January 06, 2011, 05:41:51 pm