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Title: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 12, 2011, 12:17:52 pm

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Welcome to Beginner's Mafia! This is the nineteenth run of our Beginner's Mafia series.

In Beginner's Mafia, you will be pitted up with a Town IC (Inexperienced Challenged) who will help you play the game, and will be just as clueless, if not more so, about the setup as you, and a Mafia IC, who will be helping out the Mafia.

In Mafia, you are divided into two parts: Town and Mafia:
If you are Town, your goal is to lynch the Mafia. You do this by convincing others that one of the group is scum, and getting enough votes on them to lynch them.  The Town does not know who else is Town.
If you are Mafia, your goal is to kill off the Town until there is an equal number of them to you by getting them to lynch other Town or by killing them. You are given a kill each Night to kill any player in the game.  All the Mafia members know each other, and can communicate privately.

Each Day, everyone votes to lynch a player.  Vote for a player by posting their name in red.  You may change your vote at any time, remove your vote, or vote for No Lynch. Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day gets lynched, even if there is no majority. (Example: Nobody votes except for one guy, who votes Generic_Steve. Generic_Steve would get lynched).

The day will not end prematurely unless people vote to shorten the day. That is, there is no "hammer" in Beginner's Mafia, where X amount of votes (typically 51%) on a single person immediately ends the day with a lynch on that person. Some games do that, but not this one, and you would be explicitly informed in the rules if the hammer is active.

If there are tied votes for who gets lynched at the end of the day, the day ends in a no-lynch. (Two people vote for Generic_Steve, two people vote for Unassuming_Mary. Nobody gets lynched) 

Each Night, you send in your actions. The cycle continues until one side wins. Days are 48 hours and nights are 24 hours. Weekends count for zero hours.

Game rules:

• You may not PM other players. The mafia will have a place to talk to themselves.
• Never edit your posts, even to fix typos!  If you make a mistake, just double post- it's permitted here. Violation of this rule can lead to deadly repercussions.  I recommend using the preview button every time you post.
• Never quote your role PM or any other PM sent to you by the mod.
• If you need more time to discuss, you may ask for an extension.  If 1/3 of players ask for one, the day will be extended by 24 hours.
• • There are only two extensions allowed per day
• Please don't forget about this game if you sign up! If you cannot continue playing, please ask for a replacement! I will prod you via PM if you do not post in 24 hours to remind you that this game exists!
• • Upon receiving your third prod, you are modkilled (removed from the game) for inactivity. Beware.
• Upon being killed, you are entitled to one "Bah!" post, but you are not allowed to post any game-related content. After your Bah post, you MUST NOT POST AGAIN unless you somehow come back to life (impossible in this setup) or replace back in (you must have been town to do this). Failure to comply with this rule can lead to a bad reputation amongst mods, and difficulty in joining other games.
  
• Never underestimate your importance, and always play to win!

In this setup, there are the possibility of extra roles. These roles are Cop and Doctor for Town, and Roleblocker and Godfather for Mafia.

• A Cop inspects any player at Night. They are told that player's alignment, but not their role.
• A Doctor may protect any player at Night. This stops that player from being killed.
• A Roleblocker stops an extra role from using an action. This stops Doctors and Cops but does nothing for Townies.
• • Roleblockers do not actually discover if their attempts were successful or not; that would be too powerful because the roleblocker would know they found a town power role. It isn't an investigative role (the same goes for the Doctor)! The Mafia needs to find the town power roles the old-fashioned way: analyzing behavior and voting patterns.
• A Godfather, if investigated by a Cop, looks just like a normal townie.

There is a 50% chance for any of these roles to show up. It is possible to end up with no extra roles.

Extensions require support from at least 33% of the players.  You may oppose extensions as well, which cancels out an extension request.  For example, if there were five players, with two requesting and one opposing, there would be no extension.  (2-1 = 1 of 5, which is 20%)

Along with opposing extensions, there is also the option to Shorten the Day or End the Day. They both work just like extensions, 33% required to pass with no objections. Shorten the Day removes 24 hours from the day (or ends it instantly if there are less than 24 hours left) and End the Day makes the day end as quickly as I can process it. Due to the nature of these requests, they also act just like Counter-Extensions.

Please bold requests/opposition to extensions, or Mod/my name if you want to ask me a question in-thread.  (IE: Mod: I have a question!)

Players: (9/9)

• Zrk2, Cult Member, Lynched Day 3
• vadia ---> TolyK, Cult Member, killed in endgame
• UristMcDwarf, Cult Member, Lynched Day 1
• The Captain, Cult Inquisitor (cop), Nightkilled Night 1
• Azure Sepulchre, Paladin, won and survived!
• warhammer651 ---> Ottofar, Cult Member, killed in endgame
• Tyberix, Cult Member, Nightkilled Night 2
• mukluk, Paladin, won and survived!
• Darvi, Cult Member, Lynched Day 2

Player Replacement Queue


Town IC:
Toaster


Mafia IC:
IronyOwl

Helpful Links and Other Info:
Our own Bay12 Mafia tutorial (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0)
The Notable Games archive. Read a famous game from start to finish! Lern you sum history. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64229.0)
The Mafiascum wiki. Lots of theory, terminology, and game analysis. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
An Interactive Flash tutorial by one of the Mafiascum.net people. Helpful visualization! (http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf)

Spoiler: Dakarian's Scumhunting Bible, reposted here for your convenience (click to show/hide)

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).


Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"


Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:


Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.



That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.


And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

Spoiler: CEAs (Commonly Encountered Abbreviations) and Other Terminology Commonly Found in Bay12 Mafia (click to show/hide)

Alignment - Who you share a victory condition with. Town-aligned, Scum-aligned, or third party alignments.

Bandwagon - Multiple votes on a single person. Can be justified, or unjustified. Unjustified bandwagons are scummy. Joining bandwagons blindly or without reason is also scummy.

BM - Beginner's Mafia (Or, Bastard Mod, a Mafia game with a purposefully unreliable moderator, or misleading information)

Bus - (noun: the bus ; verb: bussing, throwing him/her under the bus) When a mafia member attacks another one in order to make themselves look like a loyal townie when his or her scumpartner gets lynched.

Cult - A group of players who know each others alignments, unless it is a bastard mod or something. Traditionally, all of them are town-aligned. They can communicate with each other freely.

FoS - Finger of Suspicion, writing someone's name in blue signifies a great deal of suspicion. It's kind of like a fake-vote, or the threat of a vote. Good for getting attention.

FTD - Failure to Deliver, also known as Toaster's #1 Scumtell. The act of promising to post more information at a later time, and then failing to do so. A very difficult action to justify as town, because it means you are either lazy or lying, it is therefore seen as a pretty solid scumtell.

IC - Inexperienced Challenged, players who are too experienced to justify playing in a Beginner's Mafia, and act as mentors/guides for the Town or the Scum.

Lurking - Purposefully not posting, so that you have few or no posts that can be analyzed. Generally a good strategy for scum. However, has the danger of earning you prods, getting modkilled, or found out via Zathras' Lurkertracker. Lurking is different than simply being away or unavailable. A good way to tell if someone is lurking is to check their profile's last active time, and compare it to their last post.

LYLO - Lynch or Lose, a situation where Town only outnumbers Scum by a single person (e.g. 3 town vs. 2 scum). During LYLO, Town MUST lynch Scum or instantly lose.

MYLO - Mislynch and Lose, a situation where Town outnumbers Scum by two people (4 town vs. 2 scum). During MYLO, if Town lynches Town, Scum will win after night-killing town, making it 2 town vs. 2 scum, which is an instant scum win.

NL - No Lynch, to choose to end the day without lynching anyone and see if any information is revealed in the night.

OMGUS - Oh My God U Suck, a vote on someone else simply because they voted or attacked you

PFP - Posting From Phone (or Profession), throwing up a short post to prove you aren't lurking, when you are too busy at the time to make a more complete post.

PL - Policy Lynch, lynching someone for reasons other than scumminess. Variants are Lynch All Lurkers, Lynch All Liars, etc. Also see: Org.

PPE - Pre-Post Edit, typically done when you go to either Preview or Post and notice that someone else has posted before you. PPE is shorthand for acknowledging the "Warning - You may wish to review your post" message.

RIA - Refuge in Audacity, acting really crazy or really scummy to make people think that you couldn't possibly be scum because of how crazy you are. This never works. Neither does sarcasm in general, really. If you want to be sarcastic, make it painfully obvious you are being sarcastic, with <sarcasm>fake sarcasm tags</sarcasm>. Even still, it's not a good idea, because Mafia is SERIOUS BUSINESS

Role - Also called Power Role, any special powers you have. Cops, doctors, roleblockers, and godfathers are examples of classic roles. Some roles are alignment-specific, some aren't, and some can be for any alignment.

Rolefishing - Any question or attempt to learn information about someone's role. Typically something done at the beginning of the game. Typically a scum move, because it is in scum's advantage to find and lynch powerful roles. Can be acceptable later in the game, or in special circumstances where it is beneficial for town to learn someone's role. The reason it is scummy is because the really powerful town roles want to stay hidden so they don't get lynched by scum, and bringing attention to them by rolefishing risks their secrecy.

RVS - Random Voting Stage, the early-early game, shortly after the game begins, where people randomly vote each other and ask each other different questions, trying to find any good reason to suspect someone.

Scum - Mafia, or someone who isn't aligned with the Town. The Informed Minority.

SK - Serial Killer, a third party role with a nightkill, and who is hostile to everyone.

Survivor - a third party role whose win condition requires that they be alive at the end of the game. Normal players can die and still win as long as their team as a whole wins, but a survivor must actually be alive at the end.

Third Party - an alignment that is independent of scum and town. Has a unique victory condition, and is typically a lone wolf type character.

Town - The anti-Scum. The uninformed majority.

Vanilla - Someone who doesn't have a power role. "Vanilla Town", "Vanilla Scum", etc.

WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me, the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that his behavior would be subject to scrutiny.

Quote from: Princess Bride

"All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead."

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?"

Spoiler: A List of Common Scumtells (click to show/hide)

Quote from: IronyOwl

Scumtells are things that someone does or says that imply that they're scum. Usually the reasoning is that it's bad or not productive for townies to do it, so it can be hard to distinguish signs of being scum from signs of being a noob. This is one of the reasons scum almost always win beginner's mafia games.

Note that scumtells are very very subjective; there's no simple way to distinguish a scumtell from a noobtell from being justified and/or lazy. Whether a justified, non-scummy version of a scumtell should still be called by its normal name varies from person to person. (Someone might describe their voting of someone who voted them as "not an OMGUS," other would say it's "a justified OMGUS" for instance)

In any case, common scumtells include:

Bandwagoning: Voting for whoever has the most votes or seems most likely to be lynched, despite having poor/no reasons or not wanting them lynched previously. It implies that you don't care who gets lynched, you just want someone gone, which is generally the case for scum.

OMGUSing: Short for Oh My God You Suck, by the way. Voting or otherwise applying pressure to whoever's voting you. It implies that you're really concerned about being pressured/lynched and want them to stop, which is more a scum thing. A townie would, in theory, be more open to the notion that their fellow townie is attempting to scumhunt at them, and less concerned about being found out.

Defending/Chainsawing: Defending just means what it sounds like: saying things to defend another player's actions or words. Chainsawing or chainsaw defending means attacking someone who's attacking another player in an attempt to get them to stop. The idea in both instances is that townies don't know if their fellow players are innocent or not, and hence have no real reason to defend them from legitimate persecution. Scum, on the other hand, know they're on a team and so are prone to not wanting their buddies found out or pressured.

Lurking: Not posting. Especially suspicious in the case of Active Lurking, which is trying to look active while not actually doing anything (posting frequently but with no substance, for instance). The idea in either case is that townies actually care about finding scum, and so should be doing things. Scum don't care, they just want some random guy lynched so they can kill someone at night.

Appearing Too Townie: There's no official name for this one, but being too concerned about your image; specifically avoiding things that might be seen as scumtells. The idea is that scum are very concerned about being found out, and so want to act nonscummy. Townies know they're not scum, so they're less concerned about LOOKING nonscummy and more concerned about finding scum.

Quote from: Argembarger

Resigning yourself to being lynched.
Saying something like "there's no way for me to avoid being lynched so I won't bother trying"
Blackmailing the town, like "You can lynch me, but you'll be sorry when you see I was town all along!"
Voting yourself for any reason.

If you're still confused, join anyhow and we'll teach you!

And if you have any other questions, just ask.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2011, 12:32:03 pm

You should link to the notable games archive :D

(Also, thanks for linking in the Signboard!  That made me happy)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2011, 12:52:06 pm

Bah, mistake!

I meant "in your list of helpful links."  Sorry for that ^_^;;

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 12, 2011, 12:55:59 pm

done,

whoops,

and... done.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 12, 2011, 03:04:44 pm

IN I've mafiad 3 times, and been lynched as a townie all three! Let's do it again!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Ottofar on January 12, 2011, 03:10:51 pm

I'll be an unofficial IC, and replace when necessary.

Also, you could add some commonly used Abbreviations.
At least FoS, which is asked about in pretty much every BM.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 12, 2011, 03:12:12 pm

Fos
WIFOM
OMGUS

Yeah, stuff like that.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: vadia on January 12, 2011, 03:39:24 pm

in

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 12, 2011, 07:13:46 pm

Ok, I'll add something like that underneath Dak's bible.

Otto, do you want to be Town or Mafia unofficial IC?

Town, I guess, if you want to potentially replace in...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: vadia on January 12, 2011, 07:30:30 pm

mod when somebody dies should they not write any longer, should they be active, or either way?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2011, 07:32:07 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 12, 2011, 07:30:30 pm

mod when somebody dies should they not write any longer, should they be active, or either way?

One "Bah, you fuckers!" post with no game-related content, and then you're gone until the game ends (or if you're town and you replace back into the game for someone).

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 12, 2011, 07:54:45 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 12, 2011, 07:32:07 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 12, 2011, 07:30:30 pm

mod when somebody dies should they not write any longer, should they be active, or either way?

One "Bah, you fuckers!" post with no game-related content, and then you're gone until the game ends (or if you're town and you replace back into the game for someone).

This.

Someone check over the list of abbreviations I came up with, let me know if I missed anything.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2011, 08:03:57 pm

Very good abbreviations-list!  I was quite impressed.

That said, ICs are in fact supposed to be better than average at this game >_>  That's why Ottofar is a fake-IC, not full-fledged IC.

(No offense meant to Ottofar, dude)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: IronyOwl on January 12, 2011, 08:24:18 pm

I'm willing to IC again, town or scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Toaster on January 12, 2011, 08:32:57 pm

Sure, why not?  I'll town IC again if you'll have me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: vadia on January 12, 2011, 08:42:41 pm

so IC is not a player?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2011, 08:45:04 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 12, 2011, 08:42:41 pm

so IC is not a player?

That's correct.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 12, 2011, 09:06:46 pm

Toaster and Irony, welcome back, you're in.

Anyone else who wants to IC is welcome to, I guess I'll cap the hypothetical IC limit at 3 for each side...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2011, 09:17:54 pm

Stick to 1 and take backups.  It gets really hard to double-IC, to be honest.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 12, 2011, 09:41:25 pm

Mod You should update the title and OP for all the people that are in

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 13, 2011, 02:01:07 am

Quote from: Vector on January 12, 2011, 09:17:54 pm

Stick to 1 and take backups.  It gets really hard to double-IC, to be honest.

Really? It seems like it'd be... just, multiple people giving advice... Like a council of mentors or something.

If you say it's difficult, though, I suppose I believe you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Ottofar on January 13, 2011, 06:03:42 am

Quote from: Vector on January 12, 2011, 08:03:57 pm

Very good abbreviations-list!  I was quite impressed.

That said, ICs are in fact supposed to be better than average at this game >_>  That's why Ottofar is a fake-IC, not full-fledged IC.

(No offense meant to Ottofar, dude)

  No problem.
I mean't as I've done in few previous BMs, answer the little questions.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (0/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 13, 2011, 03:06:54 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on January 13, 2011, 02:01:07 am

Really? It seems like it'd be... just, multiple people giving advice... Like a council of mentors or something.

If you say it's difficult, though, I suppose I believe you.

Well, okay--that can work all right for town when you have a number of laid-back mentors, but if you have two Dakarians in town-chat or three of me in scum-chat that's going to cause problems.

A council of mentors works in the real world, but... this is mafia, where we all weaponize our latent aggressive sides.

(Plus, it's good to let IC be a coveted position, because then people don't get too worn out from the role)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 13, 2011, 06:58:07 pm

* Bump* Sign up people! I want to mafia again!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: vadia on January 13, 2011, 08:03:08 pm

Could some of the IC candidates could play to round out numbers?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: Trollan on January 13, 2011, 08:11:14 pm

Okay, let's try this again.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on January 13, 2011, 09:00:04 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 13, 2011, 08:03:08 pm

Could some of the IC candidates could play to round out numbers?

It wouldn't really be a Beginner's Mafia then, would it? :P
Be patient, it'll fill up soon enough.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: vadia on January 13, 2011, 09:08:36 pm

I meant the ones with much less experience.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: Ottofar on January 14, 2011, 03:43:25 am

There are none. And I'd rather not play more than three games at once.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: The Captain on January 14, 2011, 06:02:05 am

Yeah sure, why not. I'll win some mafia.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 14, 2011, 06:43:54 am

Finished my uni coursework/maths test just today, so count me in for the good times and the cussing and the crying and the maffers laughing and such.

Also, Kamina, I so want you in this, if only so I can tunnel you for that sneaky scum win last time. C'mon, it'll be fun! I swear! :D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: warhammer651 on January 14, 2011, 06:57:21 am

this intirgues me

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: Tyberix on January 14, 2011, 07:59:04 am

Ok ,time to try this at last! In

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: vadia on January 14, 2011, 09:11:39 am

mod or IC  what happens if there is a tie in votes i.e two people get 2 votes each and a bunch of 1 votes?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 14, 2011, 09:12:10 am

In the case of a tie vote, the day ends in a no-lynch.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: Trollan on January 14, 2011, 11:04:09 am

...Im gonna have to leave again, sorry. out

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: vadia on January 14, 2011, 11:15:55 am

minor request to players; It's less confusing to me if everybody has an avitar,

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 14, 2011, 03:17:29 pm

OK, I got one. My personal text is even more accurate now. /reference

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (2/9 players)
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on January 14, 2011, 04:38:27 pm

Quote from: Azure Sepulchre on January 14, 2011, 06:43:54 am

Also, Kamina, I so want you in this, if only so I can tunnel you for that sneaky scum win last time. C'mon, it'll be fun! I swear! :D

Sorry man, but I'm not sure I exactly qualify as a beginner anymore.  It'd probably end up like last game, where I replaced in, got two posts out in which I outed both of the scum, then got hit by surprise by the day end, and got NKed.  Everyone promptly forgot about my two posts, and completely failed to catch the scum. ::)

I guess I could IC, but I don't feel quite good enough for that.  I'll be watching, though.  If you really want to play with me, you could join sorcerer's apprentice III.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 14, 2011, 04:51:02 pm

Too cocky, man.  I'm totally going to eat you next game we play together >:3

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: The Captain on January 14, 2011, 04:51:55 pm

Turtle soup?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on January 14, 2011, 05:05:42 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 14, 2011, 04:51:02 pm

Too cocky, man.  I'm totally going to eat you next game we play together >:3

Was I?  Whoops...
Anyway, point being, Beginner's games are more intended for people who haven't played before, or only had one game or so.

As for eating me, we'll see.  You're the one with the food avatars, after all.  ;D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 14, 2011, 05:52:10 pm

Yes, well, anyway.

We still need three more.

If anyone has any big things coming up sometime in the future that will keep them away from the internet for over a day, best to let me know now.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: Vector on January 14, 2011, 05:57:06 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on January 14, 2011, 05:05:42 pm

As for eating me, we'll see.  You're the one with the food avatars, after all.  ;D

DOHOHOHOHOOOOO

In Soviet California, food eats--

Leaving now, sorry, bye, many apologies.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 14, 2011, 07:04:32 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 14, 2011, 05:57:06 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on January 14, 2011, 05:05:42 pm

As for eating me, we'll see.  You're the one with the food avatars, after all.  ;D

DOHOHOHOHOOOOO

In Soviet California, food eats--

Leaving now, sorry, bye, many apologies.

no

don't go

what was the word that you cut off after eats? more food? other food?? more different foods??? double other subsequent food??&#1567??ˀʢѮԆ

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 14, 2011, 07:52:18 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on January 14, 2011, 05:52:10 pm

If anyone has any big things coming up sometime in the future that will keep them away from the internet for over a day, best to let me know now.

Semester 2 of uni formally begins here on Monday, and I'm trying to make use of my new-found work ethic now while I'm still enjoying the novelty of actually having one. However, nothing really big should get in my way. I may be a slow player, though, so don't be surprised if I'm a few hours late typing back to things and such.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 15, 2011, 02:54:52 pm

I don't think that's a big deal in BM.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: UristMcDwarf on January 15, 2011, 11:44:53 pm

in.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (6/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 16, 2011, 01:32:08 am

Only two spots left! Sign up now!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: mukluk on January 16, 2011, 07:28:50 pm

Newbie signing up. 

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 17, 2011, 01:24:28 pm

Last Spot!!!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: vadia on January 17, 2011, 01:55:13 pm

here spot!  *Wooof*

Oh, sorry I forgot: srs bzns

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: Darvi on January 17, 2011, 01:55:49 pm

Oh, whatever.

Why does it say 7/9 then?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 17, 2011, 03:05:57 pm

We await the Mod updating and starting the game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: mukluk on January 17, 2011, 06:14:48 pm

So when game start?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - The Signups of Doooooom! (7/9 players)
Post by: Argembarger on January 17, 2011, 07:45:30 pm

Oh hey, awesome, we're full.

Welcome everyone, have a seat and chill out. I've got some number crunching and flavor writing to do and day 1 will begin later tonight or tomorrow morning.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: Zrk2 on January 17, 2011, 07:53:49 pm

Great. I loook forward to some over-the-top background to play in. Don't stress about having it up tonight, I am very busy.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: vadia on January 17, 2011, 08:50:43 pm

I prefer chocolate.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: Argembarger on January 18, 2011, 09:34:31 am

Deep within the heart of a volcano on a remote, uncharted island on the Pacific Ocean, nine cloaked figures stand around a strange, pulsating stone. Their hands, outstretched to the stone, seem to be giving off trails of a strange smokey substance. As the smoke gets absorbed by the stone, it slowly becomes colder and darker. The seal has been weakened, the ritual can soon be performed.

The nine sit and rest, their life force drained. It will be a few days before they will have the energy to perform the ritual without dying. Their dark master, though immensely powerful and magnificent, will be in a very vulnerable state upon being released, and He will need caretakers that are alive.

The nine clear their heads for meditation. Each of them imagines the void, just as they have been taught. Suddenly... yes! His consciousness, tangible at the fringes of their own! All nine clear their minds further, to allow Him access.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x302/johnsmitherson/doomspeak.png?t=1295359919)

The nine recoil, as if their brains had been struck. The will of the Master is clear. Two must die, their treachery laid bare. But...

Which two is it?

---

The head of the Order, Toaster, walks in, followed by his lackey, IronyOwl. They have, apparantly, also heard the call of the Master.

IronyOwl has always seemed shifty, as if his heart wasn't quite in the right place, as if he didn't quite agree with the wonderful works of the Order. But Toaster insists on keeping him around, so, whatever.

Toaster, on the other hand, is a welcome sight. Surely he, with his wisdom, can help the nine find and kill the two traitors!

---

{Role PMs will be sent a little later, sorry guys, I overslept. Whipped together some flavor to hold you over until then; the day will begin after the roles are sent}

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 10:28:08 am

if you could let me know what that said -- I couldn't read it -- it would be nice, but no worries, mate.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 10:32:29 am

Quote from: vadia on January 18, 2011, 10:28:08 am

if you could let me know what that said -- I couldn't read it -- it would be nice, but no worries, mate.

"FINDTHEMKILLTHEMFINDTHEMKILLTHEMFINDTHEMKILLTHEMFINDTHEMKILLTHEMFINDTHEMKILLTHEM"

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 10:40:14 am

The first word was "my"

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 10:43:33 am

 I think I can also read a "my disposable" and obedient at the beginning

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 10:50:18 am

"My disciples obedient
so faithful[ly?] determined
shall surely be rewarded except
sense fault among you
(something) wicked intentions
to corrupt the ritual
then findthemkillthem"
Yeah, Argem's good at flavor.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 10:55:43 am

Quote from: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 10:50:18 am

"My disciples obedient
so faithful, determined
shall surely be rewarded except
sense fault among you
yout two wicked intentions
to corrupt the ritual
then findthemkillthem"
Yeah, Argem's good at flavor.

/fixed I believe

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Doooooom! (Signups Closed)
Post by: Argembarger on January 18, 2011, 01:30:06 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   No votes
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Thursday, January 20, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/


Let the games begin!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: warhammer651 on January 18, 2011, 02:06:09 pm

Crap. A whole lotta crap got flung at me at once, so I'm gonna have to duck out of this. My apologies, But at this stage it shouldn't hurt the game too much

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 18, 2011, 02:15:41 pm

Ottofar, you are now warhammer651.

Warhammer, I appreciate the pre-emptive withdrawal. Hope to see you play in the future!

(For purposes of the Attendance Ranking system, if that gets started again, I'm gonna just pretend like you were never in this game to begin with, since you ducked out so early.

Which looks better on your record than an actual replacement.)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 02:46:02 pm

Heh, that was quick.

Ah well, Darvi, have you ever played mafia before?

Vadia, same question.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 02:46:52 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 02:46:02 pm

Heh, that was quick.

Ah well, Darvi, have you ever played mafia before?

Vadia, same question.

Not since... eh, a few years ago.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

Everyone: Have you ever played Mafia before?
How would you play as town? as scum?
Do you think we should roleclaim?
What do you think are scumtells?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 03:24:35 pm

I wouldn't play at all since I would be the first one to be lynched >_>

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 03:33:40 pm

Unvote Darvi
Vote Zrk2 some  ten games on forums, same amount on IRC,   and I still am quite poor player
2: Find scum. 3:Pretend to find scum.
4:And why should we do that.
5:They'll come up.

Also, question #4 earns my vote.
Why are you even asking such thing?
Looking for kill/block targets?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:37:13 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 03:24:35 pm

I wouldn't play at all since I would be the first one to be lynched >_>

Darvi, answer the question.

I asked because it is occasionally a useful option. I suggested it so we can decide whether or not we want to, and the move on, instead of debating it later, when we have more info to scumhunt with.

Why are you voting so early? You have no information. I know Day 1 lynches rarely prove useful, but shouldn't you at least wait until you have some info before voting?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 18, 2011, 03:39:46 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

Everyone: Have you ever played Mafia before?
How would you play as town? as scum?
Do you think we should roleclaim?
What do you think are scumtells?

1. Never played it before, read few before joining this one.
2a. At this stage i would try to get at least one longer post from everyone to have some basic view of the situation.
2b. As scum i would probably do the same and try to evaluate potential target priorities (wow this get little vague)
3. I think we should at least wait for all to post once ;p, and it's to early to get any benefits from it.
4. Uhh something fishy that makes you think somebody is scum ;p ?

Zrk2 you should answer these questions too :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 03:39:52 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 03:33:40 pm

Unvote Darvi

Awww :(

I just meant that I would be the first to be killed and couldn't play afterwards. I really should use less  sarcasm.

Anyway for the questions:
-Town: analize which players choose which targets. If serveral people seem to keep unanimously vote for the same guys, then they might be mafia.
-Mafia: be a dissident and vote for somebody else in case the townsies do exactly that.
-Roleclaiming: I'm not familiar with the jargon but if it's what I think it is, then no
-scumtell: again, not familiar with the slang (played it on a german forum) but I think it's the pms that mafiosi send eachother

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 18, 2011, 03:42:42 pm

On a side note : Do you think we have some paladins among us or someone is more evil than we thought?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 03:44:58 pm

I've got a flashlight here, maybe I can try to turn undead?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 03:46:46 pm

I have your question. It's enough.  MC on d1 is counter-productive, as scum like you get to know who to block and who to kill.


Also, seeing how Irony is against our methods, flavour-wise I'd say Paladins. Anyways, they need to be rooted out.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 03:54:03 pm

We're cultists, right? Or at least pose as such if we're not.

Anyway, if I'm a cultist then I'm pretty sure there aren't any pallys present. yet. Of course as a Pally hat's exactly what I would say. Hmmm.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 03:56:30 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

Everyone: Have you ever played Mafia before?
How would you play as town? as scum?
Do you think we should roleclaim?
What do you think are scumtells?

Ok a lot of questions. 

I think Zrk has them all in the end.
I am playing sorcerers also.  So you can see how I do there.
I am not sure how I would play differently.  As scum I'd try to ignore my knowledge of the other scum.  I'd ask (non-)probing questions.
I guess scumtells are as the wiki indicates.
Roleclaiming: when we say our roles?  isn't that inviting the scum to nuke our head honchos?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 04:00:46 pm

There's a wiki?

*user cancels posting: deconstructing wall with head*

Guess I'll read through it then.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:06:22 pm

Could someone let me in on the term 'Paladin'?

I proposed a roleclaim so we could debate it now and get it out of the way, instead of later in the game when we would be more busy with the extra information we have.

Ottofar I thought you were experienced enough not to play BM. Do you think it is possible that you will unbalance the game?
 
Vadia Provide examples of 'non probing' questions.

Tyberix

Quote from: Tyberix on January 18, 2011, 03:42:42 pm

On a side note : Do you think we have some paladins among us or someone is more evil than we thought?

What?

Darvi Have you ever played  before? What do you look for as a scumtell? Specifics are always good.

Everyone Explain what strategy you would use as a scum. Who would you try and lynch first? How would you avoid suspicion (Don't say 'Scumhunting' I want details)? How would you try and help a partner in danger?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 18, 2011, 04:09:37 pm

I just mean mean who the traitors can be flavor-wise. But now that i think about it,paladins wont probably get high in evil cult ranks ;p

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:15:31 pm

I think Tyberix is pondering the flavor.

As we are obviously a good cult, the two evil paladin-scum must be rooted out and sacrificed to the blood god.

Also, I don't think I'll unbalance, at least one player here is better than me. Also, you asking that right after me attacking you reeks of scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 04:15:34 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:06:22 pm

Darvi Have you ever played  before? What do you look for as a scumtell? Specifics are always good.

I have played before, but it was on a german forum and also a few years back. Never used  special expressions such as scumtell and stuff. (by the way, I know now that it's a giveaway)

Quote

Everyone Explain what strategy you would use as a scum. Who would you try and lynch first? How would you avoid suspicion (Don't say 'Scumhunting' I want details)? How would you try and help a partner in danger?

I'd pretend to be a villager of course. An antisocial homicidal villager. No wait, those are vigilantes.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:15:41 pm

Zrk2 Why are you asking so many questions to so many people -- why not one or two to one or two people?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 04:16:17 pm

Multitasking?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:19:20 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:15:41 pm

Zrk2 Why are you asking so many questions to so many people -- why not one or two to one or two people?

Vadia Asking questions is a scumtell? What?

I am trying to get a bit of foundation information from everyone on which we can build our cases.

Who are the scumpicks of everyone, if any?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:22:41 pm

And now OMGUS?

You are my top scumpick.

Who are yours?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 04:24:46 pm

My first choice would be myself, but since I don't wanna die, I nominate Urist McDorf
Wait, i take that back. Zrk2, I choose you!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:25:33 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 04:16:17 pm

Multitasking?

Darvi generally, unless you're defending scum you don't wantr to feed an answer.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:30:08 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 04:24:46 pm

My first choice would be myself, but since I don't wanna die, I nominate Urist McDorf
Wait, i take that back. Zrk2, I choose you!

Do not ever edit in Mafia. No matter what's the reason.

Also why. Provide reasoning, why Zrk2?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 18, 2011, 04:30:37 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 04:24:46 pm

My first choice would be myself, but since I don't wanna die, I nominate Urist McDorf
Wait, i take that back. Zrk2, I choose you!

EDITING A POST IS FORBIDDEN
DOUBLE POSTS ARE ALLOWED HERE

NO MORE EDITS EVER PERIOD

Thank you for understanding.

PPE: oh hai ninja'd by Ottofar

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:35:56 pm

But you did it flashier. Also lol'd at the "See also Org"  in the abbreviations list

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:41:58 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:22:41 pm

And now OMGUS?

You are my top scumpick.

Who are yours?

I voted for him because he jumped on me for asking questions, that is the opposite of a scumtell.

I would say Vadia, for the above reason.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 18, 2011, 04:46:32 pm

Mafia SubfForum gods demand blood for this blasphemy! We need to sacrifice scum on their altars now!

More serious: Darvi why you try to convince us that you are not a good player that much, especially that this is beginner mafia ? It doesn't make you less possible to be scum...

As for scumpicks i'll wait for everyone to post first.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:51:55 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:19:20 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:15:41 pm

Zrk2 Why are you asking so many questions to so many people -- why not one or two to one or two people?

Vadia Asking questions is a scumtell? What?

I am trying to get a bit of foundation information from everyone on which we can build our cases.

Who are the scumpicks of everyone, if any?

No, taking over by asking so much seems (i.e. distracting) scummy, asking about roles seems scummy, getting defensive about a not so random first point in red seems scummy, saying that we need not vote seems mildly scummy.
 In sorcerers mafia everybody votes and unvotes a lot the first day, yet you got REALLY defensive. 

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:53:11 pm

Yeah, right. We're at RVS still, at least somewhat. He wasn't voting anyone, and he just voted to ask a question.

Therefore, that is an OMGUS.

Also, I should've started sleeping half an hour ago.

Also also, Darvi seems to be making an emotional appeal, which is scummy.

Also3 damn ninjas.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:54:59 pm

Also4, above post was directed at Zrk.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2011, 04:55:10 pm

Crap, I knew I forgot a rule >_>
I tend to forget these. Like gravity.

Quote from: Tyberix on January 18, 2011, 04:46:32 pm

More serious: Darvi why you try to convince us that you are not a good player that much, especially that this is beginner mafia ? It doesn't make you less possible to be scum...

I don't try. If I look like I'm a bad player then it's probably because I am. I even lose at You have to burn the rope! Ok, now I'm trying to convince you I'm a bad player :P

Ok, not really but you get the idea.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 05:01:05 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:51:55 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:19:20 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:15:41 pm

Zrk2 Why are you asking so many questions to so many people -- why not one or two to one or two people?

Vadia Asking questions is a scumtell? What?

I am trying to get a bit of foundation information from everyone on which we can build our cases.

Who are the scumpicks of everyone, if any?

No, taking over by asking so much seems (i.e. distracting) scummy, asking about roles seems scummy, getting defensive about a not so random first point in red seems scummy, saying that we need not vote seems mildly scummy.
 In sorcerers mafia everybody votes and unvotes a lot the first day, yet you got REALLY defensive.

Um... I never played sorcerors mafia... Just sayin'

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 05:03:01 pm

I tgink he was pointing out the difference.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 05:03:58 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 05:01:05 pm

Um... I never played sorcerors mafia... Just sayin'

Ok, you're getting some milage from that, keep going and I might unvote you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 05:07:10 pm

Hey cap, you still playing or are you scum hiding out?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 05:52:19 pm

Ottofar You have been rather aggressive so far. Why have you engaged in RVSing so hard, as it almost never achieves anything?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 18, 2011, 09:18:42 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   Zrk2 (2) - Ottofar, vadia
//  |   vadia (1) - Zrk2
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Thursday, January 20, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 18, 2011, 09:20:39 pm

Here lurker lurker lurker.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 18, 2011, 10:15:05 pm

Hi.  Am I the only newbie and the rest of you experienced players or are there more of us?  Just wondering, do we play Mon-Fri since weekends count as zero hours?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 18, 2011, 10:33:52 pm

Pretty much everyone playing is a newbie in some sense of the word, so don't worry about that.

You're free to play on Saturday and Sunday, no problems there, they just count as zero hours because weekends tend to be inactive and slow around here.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 19, 2011, 12:57:33 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 05:52:19 pm

Ottofar You have been rather aggressive so far. Why have you engaged in RVSing so hard, as it almost never achieves anything?

Emphasis on the word 'almost'.
Besides, you've thrown out numerous scum tells.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Toaster on January 19, 2011, 01:23:48 am

Go forth and purge the unbelievers!

Feel free to ask me any questions here in the thread.  Remember, I'm as clueless as you folks are about the setup; I'm here to be impartial.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:37:13 pm

Why are you voting so early? You have no information. I know Day 1 lynches rarely prove useful, but shouldn't you at least wait until you have some info before voting?

It's standard practice to vote someone and ask them a question as your first post of the game. The vote is, of course, generally disregarded, but any reactions to that vote are worth noting.   At the beginning, when there's so little to go on, every little bit counts.


Looks pretty good so far!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: The Captain on January 19, 2011, 04:01:09 am

Alright, we're started?

Let's do this:

Quote

Everyone: Have you ever played Mafia before?
How would you play as town? as scum?
Do you think we should roleclaim?
What do you think are scumtells?

Twice before.
As town I would do my best to get a list of comprehensive reads on each player, and since it's a newbie game, not try to pull any fancy gambits.
As scum I would try to be as confusing as possible, and try to throw my votes around seemingly randomly
Roleclaiming in this variant is a good way to lose as town.
I think scumtells are when people act like scum. (???)

Alright, so everyone which special town role would you like to play, if any? What would your strategy be for each?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 19, 2011, 04:44:10 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 18, 2011, 10:33:52 pm

Pretty much everyone playing is a newbie in some sense of the word, so don't worry about that.

You're free to play on Saturday and Sunday, no problems there, they just count as zero hours because weekends tend to be inactive and slow around here.

Okay, it sounds good to me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 19, 2011, 06:38:25 am

Quote from: mukluk on January 18, 2011, 10:15:05 pm

Hi.  Am I the only newbie and the rest of you experienced players or are there more of us? 

I have about 12 hours on the other players.

I've found out that I'm not having fun, so if y'all lynched me it'd be a favor.

I'd rather be vanilla for the first (two) games Cap.
Why interest in roles cap?

Azure, why so blue, we haven't heard from you. 

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 19, 2011, 09:06:00 am

ArgemMod, please prod Azure Sepulchre.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 19, 2011, 09:09:49 am

Quote from: Ottofar on January 19, 2011, 09:06:00 am

ArgemMod, please prod Azure Sepulchre.

Has Urist posted either?

that puts them as prime suspects I fear.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Toaster on January 19, 2011, 09:43:23 am

Quote from: Ottofar on January 19, 2011, 09:06:00 am

ArgemMod, please prod Azure Sepulchre.

The game has been open less than 24 hours.  Give them a little time.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: UristMcDwarf on January 19, 2011, 09:44:39 am

VadiaI find your interest in my absence very suspitious.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 19, 2011, 09:56:10 am

Quote from: UristMcDwarf on January 19, 2011, 09:44:39 am

VadiaI find your interest in my absence very suspitious.

Good for you ;P

Really, the issue is that if you don't talk we know nothing about you and can't vote for/against you except for on silence.

It won the day on sorcerer 1 (and 2 I think).

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: UristMcDwarf on January 19, 2011, 09:59:38 am

Vadia, I still find you very suspitious. I vote for you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 19, 2011, 10:15:38 am

Quote from: UristMcDwarf on January 19, 2011, 09:59:38 am

Vadia, I still find you very suspitious. I vote for you.

You vote by writing a name down in red. Like this: Zrk2.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 19, 2011, 10:59:12 am

Quote from: UristMcDwarf on January 19, 2011, 09:59:38 am

Vadia, I still find you very suspitious. I vote for you.

sure, why?  open up communication so that you'll make a mistake or not.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 19, 2011, 12:21:44 pm

Quote from: UristMcDwarf on January 19, 2011, 09:59:38 am

Vadia, I still find you very suspitious. I vote for you.

I will accept this as a vote for now but in the future please write their names in red, like Ottofar said.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 19, 2011, 12:26:38 pm

The color changing section is above (delaying . . . delaying) the red word

It is under the message icon, and two above the smilies.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 19, 2011, 12:27:20 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 19, 2011, 12:26:38 pm

The color changing section is above (delaying . . . delaying) the red word

It is under the message icon, and two above the smilies.

No that wasn't a vote.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 19, 2011, 12:59:05 pm

Quote from: UristMcDwarf on January 19, 2011, 09:59:38 am

Vadia, I still find you very suspitious. I vote for you.

If this was meant as a real vote i hope you will elaborate on it, of course unless you want to confess that you are scum.

mukluk Who do you think will be the first mafia target ?

Quote from: The Captain on January 19, 2011, 04:01:09 am

Alright, so everyone which special town role would you like to play, if any? What would your strategy be for each?

   Never played before so i don't have any preferences.On day 1 i would probably play same as standard town maybe except being less aggressive to not get lynched prematurely.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 19, 2011, 01:47:05 pm

In
since I'm fairly new to forum mafia

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 19, 2011, 01:56:11 pm

Quote from: Tyberix on January 19, 2011, 12:59:05 pm

mukluk Who do you think will be the first mafia target ?

Quote from: The Captain on January 19, 2011, 04:01:09 am

Alright, so everyone which special town role would you like to play, if any? What would your strategy be for each?

   Never played before so i don't have any preferences.On day 1 i would probably play same as standard town maybe except being less aggressive to not get lynched prematurely.

Same here.  I never played before.  Tyberix, I have no idea who the first mafia target will be. 

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 19, 2011, 02:00:01 pm

You shouldn't make guesses to who the first mafia target will be. Either they will choose somebody else just to spite you or they will choose the same person, making you look like scum who didn't keep him mouth shut.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: The Captain on January 19, 2011, 02:08:57 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 19, 2011, 06:38:25 am

I'd rather be vanilla for the first (two) games Cap.
Why interest in roles cap?

When people talk about roles, more observant players will be able to read into them and have a better understanding of who the doctor and cop are. It's really important that we DO NOT kill either one on accident. A vanilla townie mislynch is a tragedy, but not gamebreaking. Without a cop or doctor, the town loses an extra edge.

Tyberix who do YOU think will be the first mafia target?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 19, 2011, 02:23:01 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   Azure Sepulchre (1) - vadia
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  |   vadia (1) - Zrk2
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Thursday, January 20, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/


Because Azure Sepulchre has not posted in 24 hours since the game has started, and his profile was active this morning, he has been prodded.

Quote from: TolyK on January 19, 2011, 01:47:05 pm

In
since I'm fairly new to forum mafia

You have been added to the replacement queue, thanks!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 19, 2011, 02:24:34 pm

Quote from: The Captain on January 19, 2011, 02:08:57 pm

Tyberix who do YOU think will be the first mafia target?

My informants inside random.org have obtained solid evidence of mafia goals:
Ottofar
The Captain
Zrk2
Darvi
Tyberix
mukluk
UristMcDwarf
vadia
Azure Sepulchre
Timestamp: 2011-01-19 19:20:35 UTC

In other words,probably someone random.Unless somebody get their attention as possible doc/cop

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 19, 2011, 02:25:39 pm

Everyone: Please list your top two scumpicks, and give reasons.

I would say Vadia for taking my question asking as a scumtell, and for trying to mobilize a lynch campaign against people for not posting right away, this is BM, it will take a while to get going. I have no other real scumpick yet.

Tyberix, mafia is Srs bsns, the sarcasm in your post is generally not recommended.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: vadia on January 19, 2011, 05:25:12 pm

TolyK, You're up, I hope you have fun -- this persecution play is not my cup of joe.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 19, 2011, 06:05:03 pm

(vadia has requested a replacement, and TolyK conveniently came along, so

TolyK will be replacing vadia.)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 19, 2011, 06:26:12 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 19, 2011, 05:25:12 pm

TolyK, You're up, I hope you have fun -- this persecution play is not my cup of joe.

C'mon, that's the Fun of mafia!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 12:02:25 am

ok then
no hanging 'cause I just need to get here

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 12:51:35 am

What.

We won't no lynch. And the day'll go on for a week.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 20, 2011, 06:22:29 am

My apologies. I buggered off to get drunk at a party celebrating the fact that we have student loan money again instead of posting in this, which was a pretty dick move to you guys. Gonna try and actually be active from here on in, but I'm rather hung over at the moment so... yeah. Also, advice for life: never, ever play centurion. Ever. >.>

Anyway, I've had a quick review of the thread so far and I have my two FoS's lined up. Also, do not NL - it may seem like a good idea, but trust me; it isn't. We have no idea if we even have a cop or a doc, whereas we do know there are two maffers out there plotting our demise. Ignoring this possibility and going for a NV would be effectively sacrificing a townie for potentially no gain, depending on the roles we have been dealt. It's far too risky a move.

Anyway. FoS's are:

UristMcDwarf, for having the balls to OMGUS vote someone who voted him because he was lurking - a perfectly valid excuse for a vote (actually, I was rather bemused by the fact that only one person bothered to even take notice of lurkers. The last BM I was in was lost to a Mafia-lurker pairing - that were, admittedly, replaced later in the game, but the fact that they had been completely ignored rankles at me something awful). What I found especially interesting was the fact that Urist posted his response to vadia within the hour of the vote being placed on him; practically proof that he's been observing this game but has consciously refusing to post.

...aaaaand Zrk2, for the quoted post in the spoiler box below.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

Everyone: Have you ever played Mafia before?

Yus. A fair number of times. But I'm trying to improve on my overall scumhunting ability, as - considering how I preformed in the last BM I was in - it requires some improving; as such, I don't consider myself a player of any real merit.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

How would you play as town? as scum?

...hrm. You do realize these two questions are giving the scum everything they need in terms of information, allowing them to blend in correctly by getting everyone to point out what they consider town-tells and scum-tells? Not to mention the fact that town gains nothing from any answer to this question due to the amount of WIFOM present.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

Do you think we should roleclaim?

HAHAHA what is this i dont even.

No. God no. I can't even believe anyone would suggest this.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

What do you think are scumtells?

Again, you're basically getting town to warn the scum of what kind of scum-tells we'll be looking for. The fact that everyone is actually answering these questions seriously is rather worrying. Unless they aren't answering this question seriously, in order to lure scum into some highly-convoluted trap, in which case we have no way of knowing whether or not another player finds something genuinely scummy. Which means the answers are, in fact, irrelevent and cannot be used for much of anything by town, but supply the scum with enough info to effectively hide. Which begs the question; precisely what kind of information were you hoping to get from the town at that point, Zrk2? I can't see how town can gain anything from it, but perhaps you can enlighten me on the subject.

Rubbed me up completely the wrong way, although I will admit it was possible that Zrk2 had simply made multiple townie mistakes, in which case I would like to produce this, for the perusal of all:

Spoiler: Dakarian's Guide to Scumhunting! (click to show/hide)

Quote from: dakarian

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).

Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"

Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:

Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.

That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.

And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 20, 2011, 07:32:42 am

Nice. Wouldn't work on me though since I'm so bad at communicating that I wouldn't even feel aggressed *heh*

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 11:34:19 am

Quote from: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 12:51:35 am

What.

We won't no lynch. And the day'll go on for a week.

Oh, ok.

Sorry, Urist McDwarf. Random.org.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 20, 2011, 11:39:45 am

And so the random number god has spoken!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 11:44:57 am

Quote from: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 11:34:19 am

Quote from: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 12:51:35 am

What.

We won't no lynch. And the day'll go on for a week.

Oh, ok.

Sorry, Urist McDwarf. Random.org.

You should probably ask a question.
Have you read Dak's bible. (In Spoilers in Azure's Post and OP)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 11:49:30 am

I have. I'm just really confused.

Quote from: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 12:51:35 am

What.
We won't no lynch. And the day'll go on for a week.

this guy told me that we won't no lynch.
so I basically had made something that doesn't count.
that was my move, the previous one didn't count.

*OR*

If we are no lynching then I choose that.

Someone please help me my head hurts. OP would be really helpful.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 12:22:52 pm

You might also notice that I was 'this guy'.

You should either provide reasoning: Like this(okay, I do it poorly):

---

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

Everyone:
Do you think we should roleclaim?

Here, pay attention to:
 a)Questioning everyone, doesn't really help. Picking targets makes things easier.
and b)Rolefishing. This benefits the scum, as they get to know who to roleblock, and/or who to kill. It doesn't benefit town on day 1 at all.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:37:13 pm

I asked because it is occasionally a useful option. I suggested it so we can decide whether or not we want to, and the move on, instead of debating it later, when we have more info to scumhunt with.

Why are you voting so early? You have no information. I know Day 1 lynches rarely prove useful, but shouldn't you at least wait until you have some info before voting?

a) Covering up for the slip
b) "Don't vote me!"

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:06:22 pm

I proposed a roleclaim so we could debate it now and get it out of the way, instead of later in the game when we would be more busy with the extra information we have.

Ottofar I thought you were experienced enough not to play BM. Do you think it is possible that you will unbalance the game?

Everyone Explain what strategy you would use as a scum. Who would you try and lynch first? How would you avoid suspicion (Don't say 'Scumhunting' I want details)? How would you try and help a partner in danger?

a) Covering up,
b) I was attacking him, then he asks, if I'm experienced enough to unbalance
and c) Everyone again.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:19:20 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:15:41 pm

Zrk2 Why are you asking so many questions to so many people -- why not one or two to one or two people?

Vadia Asking questions is a scumtell? What?

Who are the scumpicks of everyone, if any?

a) Pure OMGUS vote.

b) Everyone. Also note that he doesn't state his own.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:41:58 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:22:41 pm

[snip, even if it's not much]

I voted for him because he jumped on me for asking questions, that is the opposite of a scumtell.

I would say Vadia, for the above reason.

Defends OMGUS, claims it wasn't one.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 05:52:19 pm

Ottofar You have been rather aggressive so far. Why have you engaged in RVSing so hard, as it almost never achieves anything?

At this point, I had not really attacked anyone else.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 19, 2011, 02:25:39 pm

Everyone: Please list your top two scumpicks, and give reasons.

I would say Vadia for taking my question asking as a scumtell, and for trying to mobilize a lynch campaign against people for not posting right away, this is BM, it will take a while to get going. I have no other real scumpick yet.

Everyone. This time he tells his pick though.

---

Or ask some questions. Like: Urist McDwarf, Have you ever played mafia before.
Also, why are you lurking?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 12:23:22 pm

Oh, and I'm voting for him, yeah.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 12:27:19 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 12:22:52 pm

You might also notice that I was 'this guy'.
whoops. my computer hadn't loaded avatars yet and I missed it...
You should either provide reasoning: Like this(okay, I do it poorly):

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Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

Everyone:
Do you think we should roleclaim?

Here, pay attention to:
 a)Questioning everyone, doesn't really help. Picking targets makes things easier.
and b)Rolefishing. This benefits the scum, as they get to know who to roleblock, and/or who to kill. It doesn't benefit town on day 1 at all.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:37:13 pm

I asked because it is occasionally a useful option. I suggested it so we can decide whether or not we want to, and the move on, instead of debating it later, when we have more info to scumhunt with.

Why are you voting so early? You have no information. I know Day 1 lynches rarely prove useful, but shouldn't you at least wait until you have some info before voting?

a) Covering up for the slip
b) "Don't vote me!"

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:06:22 pm

I proposed a roleclaim so we could debate it now and get it out of the way, instead of later in the game when we would be more busy with the extra information we have.

Ottofar I thought you were experienced enough not to play BM. Do you think it is possible that you will unbalance the game?

Everyone Explain what strategy you would use as a scum. Who would you try and lynch first? How would you avoid suspicion (Don't say 'Scumhunting' I want details)? How would you try and help a partner in danger?

a) Covering up,
b) I was attacking him, then he asks, if I'm experienced enough to unbalance
and c) Everyone again.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:19:20 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:15:41 pm

Zrk2 Why are you asking so many questions to so many people -- why not one or two to one or two people?

Vadia Asking questions is a scumtell? What?

Who are the scumpicks of everyone, if any?

a) Pure OMGUS vote.

b) Everyone. Also note that he doesn't state his own.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:41:58 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:22:41 pm

[snip, even if it's not much]

I voted for him because he jumped on me for asking questions, that is the opposite of a scumtell.

I would say Vadia, for the above reason.

Defends OMGUS, claims it wasn't one.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 05:52:19 pm

Ottofar You have been rather aggressive so far. Why have you engaged in RVSing so hard, as it almost never achieves anything?

At this point, I had not really attacked anyone else.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 19, 2011, 02:25:39 pm

Everyone: Please list your top two scumpicks, and give reasons.

I would say Vadia for taking my question asking as a scumtell, and for trying to mobilize a lynch campaign against people for not posting right away, this is BM, it will take a while to get going. I have no other real scumpick yet.

Everyone. This time he tells his pick though.

---

Or ask some questions. Like: Urist McDwarf, Have you ever played mafia before.
Also, why are you lurking?

in bold above  :-\
well as I said I haven't got enough info to figure out folks. so it's random.
I know I shouldn't have said that, but you can't edit here so WHOOPSIE me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 20, 2011, 12:28:01 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 11:49:30 am

I have. I'm just really confused.

Quote from: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 12:51:35 am

What.
We won't no lynch. And the day'll go on for a week.

this guy told me that we won't no lynch.
so I basically had made something that doesn't count.
that was my move, the previous one didn't count.

*OR*

If we are no lynching then I choose that.

Someone please help me my head hurts. OP would be really helpful.

You can and may vote for a no-lynch. That is indeed an option you have at your disposal.

What Ottofar is saying is
A) you shouldn't do it,
and/or
B) it won't happen because nobody else is going to vote for no-lynch with you

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 12:31:34 pm

OK then
I vote for no-lynch. but zrk2 is suspicious. too vague.
tell us exactly the who and the what.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 20, 2011, 12:34:22 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   UristMcDwarf (1) - Azure Sepulchre
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  |   TolyK (1) - Zrk2
//  |   No Lynch (1) - TolyK
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (5) - UristMcDwarf, Tyberix, mukluk, Darvi, The Captain
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Thursday, January 20, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   (Around 9.5 hours from now)
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 20, 2011, 12:37:41 pm

Urist McDwarf.

But I'll keep an eye on zrk2

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 12:39:00 pm

well that's nice I'm being elected as mayor  ;D
(I'm just kidding.)
I wonder what zrk2 is going by. The fact that I *may* have gotten vadia's character and he seemed like mafia?

We shall see...
Pre-post edit: NOOO I MUST RULE AS MAYOR!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 02:10:03 pm

Extension requested.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 20, 2011, 02:11:24 pm

Three hours left

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 02:15:16 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on January 20, 2011, 02:10:03 pm

Extension requested.

supported. 4 voted 5 left? just thinking opinions....

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 20, 2011, 02:18:03 pm

Yeah let's give the others a chance.

>request extension

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 02:18:44 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 20, 2011, 12:31:34 pm

OK then
I vote for no-lynch. but zrk2 is suspicious. too vague.
tell us exactly the who and the what.

Is no-lynch an option because I thought you either vote for someone or unvote a previous vote?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Toaster on January 20, 2011, 02:50:02 pm

You can specifically vote for a no-lynch.  If one person votes for someone and the other eight don't vote, then that one person will be lynched.  If the other eight voted for no-lynch instead, there would be no lynch.


The idea of a no-lynch on the first day may sound appealing at first, but in the long run it is unhelpful.  Even if a townie is lynched, you can read into the pattern of votes on that person to try to determine who is scum.  I do not advise using that as a sole basis for determining scum (even town can make an honest mistake), but it gives you something to go on.  If you no-lynch on the first day, you're right back where you were to start with on day two, except there is one less town member.

On that note, I generally advise against speculating as to why a person was killed.  The scum team could have picked someone who threatened them, yes, but they also could have picked at random.  I have in the past as scum targeted someone simply because they were innocuous.  The choice of NK target is a poor source of info.


If you have specific questions, feel free to ask me here in the thread- that's what I'm here for.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 20, 2011, 02:58:32 pm

I second that motion for an extension, which gives us a majority. Cool beans and ting.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 20, 2011, 03:12:06 pm

Sure, extension is welcome.

On more important matter: Is this some kind of of provocation Urist McDwarf? It really make me wonder if this was meant as a real vote..

mukluk Do asking no questions/semi-lurking help you achieve your scummy objectives ?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 20, 2011, 03:15:35 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   UristMcDwarf (2) - Azure Sepulchre, Darvi
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  |   TolyK (1) - Zrk2
//  |   No Lynch (1) - TolyK
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (4) - UristMcDwarf, Tyberix, mukluk, The Captain
//  |   
//  |   5 extension/shorten requests - Extension Passed!
//  |   One more extension remaining for Day 1
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Friday, January 21, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 03:44:38 pm

Quote from: Toaster on January 20, 2011, 02:50:02 pm

You can specifically vote for a no-lynch.  If one person votes for someone and the other eight don't vote, then that one person will be lynched.  If the other eight voted for no-lynch instead, there would be no lynch.


The idea of a no-lynch on the first day may sound appealing at first, but in the long run it is unhelpful.  Even if a townie is lynched, you can read into the pattern of votes on that person to try to determine who is scum.  I do not advise using that as a sole basis for determining scum (even town can make an honest mistake), but it gives you something to go on.  If you no-lynch on the first day, you're right back where you were to start with on day two, except there is one less town member.

On that note, I generally advise against speculating as to why a person was killed.  The scum team could have picked someone who threatened them, yes, but they also could have picked at random.  I have in the past as scum targeted someone simply because they were innocuous.  The choice of NK target is a poor source of info.


If you have specific questions, feel free to ask me here in the thread- that's what I'm here for.

Okay thanks for the info Toaster.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 03:53:50 pm

Quote from: Tyberix on January 20, 2011, 03:12:06 pm

Sure, extension is welcome.

mukluk Do asking no questions/semi-lurking help you achieve your scummy objectives ?

I'm new to this whole questioning thing and isn't "lurking" how everyone keep up with the game?  I agree an extension will give us more time to catch mafia.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Toaster on January 20, 2011, 04:18:25 pm

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 03:53:50 pm

I'm new to this whole questioning thing and isn't "lurking" how everyone keep up with the game?

Lurking is when you refrain from posting.  Active lurking is when you post without contributing.  Neither are considered town-friendly, because you're not participating in the scum hunting process.  You need to be able to not only keep up to date with what is going on, but also probe other players to determine for yourself who is honest and who is a lying dirty scumbag.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: The Captain on January 20, 2011, 04:42:03 pm

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 03:53:50 pm

Quote from: Tyberix on January 20, 2011, 03:12:06 pm

Sure, extension is welcome.

mukluk Do asking no questions/semi-lurking help you achieve your scummy objectives ?

I'm new to this whole questioning thing and isn't "lurking" how everyone keep up with the game?  I agree an extension will give us more time to catch mafia.

Mukluk I want you to pick three people you're suspicious of and ask them questions you think will reveal their intent.

Azure if you were the doctor, who would you protect tonight?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 09:19:58 pm

Quote from: Toaster on January 20, 2011, 04:18:25 pm

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 03:53:50 pm

I'm new to this whole questioning thing and isn't "lurking" how everyone keep up with the game?

Lurking is when you refrain from posting.  Active lurking is when you post without contributing.  Neither are considered town-friendly, because you're not participating in the scum hunting process.  You need to be able to not only keep up to date with what is going on, but also probe other players to determine for yourself who is honest and who is a lying dirty scumbag.

Okay thanks!  However, what is if the situation is unclear or if you just want to check the game out (so you could keep up to date with it)?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 20, 2011, 09:28:08 pm

TolyK Had you been in from the start, what would you have done differently from Vadia?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 09:41:38 pm

Quote from: The Captain on January 20, 2011, 04:42:03 pm

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 03:53:50 pm

Quote from: Tyberix on January 20, 2011, 03:12:06 pm

Sure, extension is welcome.

mukluk Do asking no questions/semi-lurking help you achieve your scummy objectives ?

I'm new to this whole questioning thing and isn't "lurking" how everyone keep up with the game?  I agree an extension will give us more time to catch mafia.

Mukluk I want you to pick three people you're suspicious of and ask them questions you think will reveal their intent.

Azure if you were the doctor, who would you protect tonight?

I'm just wondering if asking questions make one a bigger target though.  I think it is fair to ask some of the people that have been asking me questions so here goes with the questions:

Tyberix, you mentioned you had informants inside random.org and have solid evidence of mafia goals.  So do you really have that evidence (and what they are) or just pulling our legs, explained?

My next questions goes to The Captain and Tolyk (replacing Vadia who received some votes).  What is a good question to ask another player and once you have that question answer it yourself?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 01:11:16 am

woooooooooooooo

---

This job ain't exclusive to Zathras no more,
We figured out the perl and it isn't a chore.
Zath can rest easier; 'cause now there are two
people who can sic his LurkerTracker on you!

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Replacements considered: warhammer651 => Ottofar; vadia => TolyK.

Moderator: please prod UristMcDwarf. They haven't posted in over 36 hours.

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UristMcDwarf will be prodded.

Because the goddamn LurkerTracker told me to.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: UristMcDwarf on January 21, 2011, 03:01:26 am

Vadia Convince me you're not a mafia dude.

(I'm not good at logic-ing) Dx

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 21, 2011, 06:52:31 am

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 09:41:38 pm

...
Tyberix, you mentioned you had informants inside random.org and have solid evidence of mafia goals.  So do you really have that evidence (and what they are) or just pulling our legs, explained?
..

Back then it was only randomized list,sorry i know it was bit to much. Btw: please bold the nicks next time it makes it easier to find.

Quote from: UristMcDwarf on January 21, 2011, 03:01:26 am

Vadia Convince me you're not a mafia dude.

(I'm not good at logic-ing) Dx

You admit to not reading even  the votecount ? Replacements are kind of important ...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 21, 2011, 08:26:49 am

Quote from: The Captain on January 20, 2011, 04:42:03 pm

Azure if you were the doctor, who would you protect tonight?

I would protect Ottofar, as I've been in a couple of games with him and I don't think I've really ever seen him live past the first night. Admittedly, during one of those games I had gotten him lynched him when we were both town, so I feel quite guilty about that, too. :(

The Captain: You don't seem to have your vote on anyone. Do you have any FoS's or do you really intend to no vote, like you suggested earlier? If the latter, what's your reasoning?

Also, Zrk2, I asked you a question inside the spoiler text of my previous post, at the very bottom of it. I would be much obliged if you would answer it. = |

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Toaster on January 21, 2011, 08:56:16 am

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 09:19:58 pm

Okay thanks!  However, what is if the situation is unclear or if you just want to check the game out (so you could keep up to date with it)?

In the first case, that's a good time to ask questions to help clear up the confusion.  In the second, you don't have to post every time you read the thread, but if you make it a habit you will get called on it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 21, 2011, 09:46:32 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 20, 2011, 09:28:08 pm

TolyK Had you been in from the start, what would you have done differently from Vadia?

I've gotta first read the whole thing. Where does the last mafia game start?

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 01:11:16 am

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what. I think that means it tracks... all messages I've made for some reason? I haven't...
oh. right.
that counts for Vadia's posts.
*facepalm*

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 21, 2011, 09:49:33 am

Yeah, Zathras' LurkerTracker, tracks lurkers, like Azure or Urist.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 21, 2011, 09:50:09 am

Quote from: TolyK on January 21, 2011, 09:46:32 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 20, 2011, 09:28:08 pm

TolyK Had you been in from the start, what would you have done differently from Vadia?

I've gotta first read the whole thing. Where does the last mafia game start?

Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1893450#msg1893450)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 01:27:05 pm

Oh, I just threw out a series of generic questions, I see now that they were not very helpful, I just wanted to get those things out of the way quickly so we would not waste time discussing it when we have more information to discuss.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: The Captain on January 21, 2011, 03:25:43 pm

Quote from: Azure Sepulchre on January 21, 2011, 08:26:49 am

Quote from: The Captain on January 20, 2011, 04:42:03 pm

Azure if you were the doctor, who would you protect tonight?

I would protect Ottofar, as I've been in a couple of games with him and I don't think I've really ever seen him live past the first night. Admittedly, during one of those games I had gotten him lynched him when we were both town, so I feel quite guilty about that, too. :(

So you think Ottofar is town?

Quote

The Captain: You don't seem to have your vote on anyone. Do you have any FoS's or do you really intend to no vote, like you suggested earlier? If the latter, what's your reasoning?

I think a mislynch is almost a given on the first day, so I'm always nervous to cast my vote so early on, before I can get better reads on people.

Zrk2 why ask "generic questions"? Do you think you'll be able to pick up on scumtells without actually pushing individual players?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 21, 2011, 03:28:14 pm

Actually I've done that in blind mafia (in this thing called "real life").
It makes people who don't answer more suspicious.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 03:31:36 pm

So I can get an idea of all the players present, and then pick someone to push, like

TolyK, did you ever answer my question about what you would have done differently?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 21, 2011, 03:34:27 pm

I'm sorry. Only on page two. Hold on a sec. It's almost night here, btw.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 21, 2011, 03:56:57 pm

not looking at uristmcdwarf within 24 hours...
plus posting about gettin lurkers out
asking people to lynch him to get out instead of replacements

that's about it

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 21, 2011, 03:58:48 pm

well zrk2... scanning for targets, I guess trying to figure out who does what.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: TolyK on January 21, 2011, 03:59:14 pm

it's either to find scum or to find special folks... hmm...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 21, 2011, 04:23:26 pm

So yeah, only one hour left to go.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 21, 2011, 04:34:24 pm

Urist it is, then?
I'd rather seen Zrk hang, but oh well. This isn't too bad either.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Tyberix on January 21, 2011, 04:47:28 pm

I feel as like we were lynching lurker, and i'm not sure it's right decision.

Urist McDwarf If you have any proposition who we could hang instead, better say it now...

Quote from: TolyK on January 21, 2011, 03:56:57 pm

plus posting about gettin lurkers out

TolyK You would leave the lurkers as it was ?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: The Captain on January 21, 2011, 04:47:58 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing a lurker go. They're either scum, or an unhelpful town. A dead scum is great, a dead useless town is a wash in my book.

Urist

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Darvi on January 21, 2011, 05:18:04 pm

So yeah, 23:17 here, so that's 22:13 Greenwich time. *fetches the sacrificial knife*

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 06:11:24 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   UristMcDwarf (3) - Azure Sepulchre, Darvi, The Captain
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  |   TolyK (1) - Zrk2
//  |   No Lynch (1) - TolyK
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (3) - UristMcDwarf, Tyberix, mukluk
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   One more extension remaining for Day 1
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Friday, January 21, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   which is, at the time of this post, in a little less than Four Hours
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 21, 2011, 06:42:12 pm

Quote from: The Captain on January 21, 2011, 03:25:43 pm

So you think Ottofar is town?

Hmm. Dangerous question to answer decisively.

According to my meta, he's following his 'townie' archetype. However, I don't believe I've ever seen him play as mafioso before, so any meta towntell I have on Otto is hookum anyway. A Doc protect on him would be moved more out of guilt from a previous game than anything else, although he has shown nothing thus far I would consider particularly scummy. There are certainly worse people a doc could be on, although I won't name names. >.>

Quote from: Tyberix on January 21, 2011, 04:47:28 pm

I feel as like we were lynching lurker, and i'm not sure it's right decision.

The only time it's stupid to lynch a lurker based on that alone is lylo. Otherwise, it's a sound kill, even if they're not scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

There's nothing wrong with lynching a lurker, worst cases is you just lose a useless townie...

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?
Azure Sepulchre Who are your top scumpicks, aside from Urist?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 10:10:52 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1 End
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   UristMcDwarf (3) - Azure Sepulchre, Darvi, The Captain
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  |   TolyK (1) - Zrk2
//  |   No Lynch (1) - TolyK
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (3) - UristMcDwarf, Tyberix, mukluk
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

The nine conversed, bickering and debating. Who are the traitors? WHAT are the traitors??

Toaster and IronyOwl watched over the conversation wearily, IronyOwl clutching a strange lump on his abdomen and muttering strange, rambling incoherencies. Wretched man, Toaster thought. IronyOwl showed up at his door years ago, wishing to follow in the teachings of The Master. He quickly rose through Toaster's ranks through a combination of guile, loyalty and unflinching resolve through even the most secret and questionable of missions. Toaster trusted him - HAD to trust him - but, sometimes, it seemed like IronyOwl had his own objectives.

The overwhelming force of The Master that had pervaded the room earlier had now died down to a dull pulse, as if the volcano had a molten heart. The mental beats marked away the hours as the nine argued.

After many hours, it seemed they had made a decision. Azure Sepulchre, Darvi and The Captain stood up, and strode purposefully over to UristMcDwarf. The Captain brandished a wicked-looking blade, the ritual dagger that all followers of The Master carried when they proved themselves loyal.

"Hey Urist," Darvi said, "what's the matter? You haven't said much... Got something to hide there?"

"Yeah, filthy traitor," Azure Sepulchre chimed in, "If you really cared about The Master you'd be helping us. The only question now is, who is your partner?"

Urist gazed coolly into their eyes. "You're wrong about me, you know. The Master knows I am faithful."

A streak of blood splattered against the warm rock floor. Steam hissed from the gash in UristMcDwarf's throat as The Captain wiped his blade clean on Urist's robes. The steam coalesced into a thick black fog, and trailed towards the stone: The Master's seal.

Suddenly, like a knife in your consciousness,

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x302/johnsmitherson/Doomspeak2.png)

Toaster spoke up. "Now his soul shall be taken by The Master to serve Him in a new, direct way. He is, truly, a lucky man."

UristMcDwarf has been lynched!

He was a Cult Member, loyal but unremarkable.



Night 1 has begun!
Send in your night actions.

Night 1 will end on Saturday, January 22, at 10:00 PM EST

(or earlier, and if it ends earlier you are free to make use of that extra time for free)

(I know it's the weekend and should ordinarily count for 0 hours, but dang it, otherwise the night will end on Monday at 10:00 PM which is just useless for everyone)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Night 1: UristMcDead. Loyalty: Rewarded.
Post by: Argembarger on January 22, 2011, 07:59:01 am

Shortly after killing UristMcDwarf, you all involuntarily pass out from physical exhaustion (from sacrificing your life force to The Master) and mental strain (from staying awake for so long trying to find The Traitor)

The warm volcano floor provides surprisingly comfortable sleep.

After several hours, you all begin to wake up. You take a head count, and it appears The Captain is missing.

The only sign of him is a dark pool of blood, with a messy trail of bloody streaks leading over to a lava pit.

The Stone of The Master's seal is pulsing quickly. You prepare yourself for His presence, and He does not let you down.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x302/johnsmitherson/doomspeak3.png)

It seems The Captain was your Cult Inquisitor... curse the traitors!

The task is now significantly more difficult for the seven that remain. Best to find and kill the traitors soon.

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 2
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (7) - Tyberix, Azure Sepulchre, TolyK, Ottofar, mukluk, Zrk2, Darvi
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 2
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 08:03:41 am

Well, Urists affiliation was kinda predictable.

Time to investigate, then.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Tyberix on January 22, 2011, 08:05:50 am

Damn, best  possible outcome for mafia. (and if they blocked the doctor it would be just insane...)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 22, 2011, 08:29:36 am

Darvi, how was it predictable?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 08:34:57 am

Would've been too good for him to be a pally. that's what.

After rereading all of the posts, I've got 2 prime suspects: Zrk2, for asking to many questions, and Darvi, for not asking any at all.

... Ya, I don't trust myself >_>

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 08:56:42 am

Zrk2.
Why do you think The Captain was killed.
Also:

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 06:11:24 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

A votecount, before your question, and

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 10:10:52 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1 End
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

The End Of the Day.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 22, 2011, 09:02:27 am

Ottofar, please explain.

Darvi, (lol) I also saw many questions, but can't find too much fault in Zrk's posts.

Except that he's defending too much for my taste. This typically goes on as a flame war for me...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Tyberix on January 22, 2011, 09:02:50 am

Quote from: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 08:03:41 am

Well, Urists affiliation was kinda predictable.

Time to investigate, then.

Then why you voted on him yesterday ?

Quote from: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 08:34:57 am

Would've been too good for him to be a pally. that's what.

After rereading all of the posts, I've got 2 prime suspects: Zrk2, for asking to many questions, and Darvi, for not asking any at all.

... Ya, I don't trust myself >_>

Another post in which you defend yourself from imaginary assault and trying to convince us that you're no threat... Have you got something to hide ?
Also yesterday vote without even simple "he's lurking" reasoning is just a try to get somebody lynched fast.
 
Darvi do you think that  cop was killed on purpose or it was just mafia luck ?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 09:17:43 am

Dumb luck I believe.

And I never tried to convince anybody I'm no threat (whoa, double negative).
I just pointed out that my passive behaviour is suspicious, and if I hadn't pointed it out, then somebody else would've done it.  But still, somebody might now come in and claim that this is a ruse to confuse the townies to cover up the fact that I'm scum. Not that I saying I am. Which doesn't mean a lot, since I might be lying.

... That made much more sense in my head...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 09:47:22 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 22, 2011, 09:50:54 am

err was there supposed to be your text there?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 10:00:04 am

Quote from: TolyK on January 22, 2011, 09:02:27 am

Ottofar, please explain.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 22, 2011, 10:02:33 am

after going through the quotes I got you  :D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 22, 2011, 11:53:48 am

Tyberix, you showed up and posted, but contributed absolutely nothing. Why?
Ottofar:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 10:00:04 am

Quote from: TolyK on January 22, 2011, 09:02:27 am

Ottofar, please explain.

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 09:47:22 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

What the hell?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 12:45:11 pm

The Votecounts were the answer.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 22, 2011, 01:50:46 pm

Unvote Tyberix, Vote Ottofar
You're making no fucking sense. Explain your past three posts.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 02:05:48 pm

*sigh*

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 09:47:22 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

There's nothing wrong with lynching a lurker, worst cases is you just lose a useless townie...

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 08:56:42 am

Zrk2.
Why do you think The Captain was killed.
Also:

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 06:11:24 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

A votecount, before your question, and

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 10:10:52 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1 End
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

The End Of the Day.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 22, 2011, 02:23:52 pm

So UristMcDwarf was a townie after all.  How did mafia managed to picked The Captain to knock off anyways?  Does this give us any clues to who they are?  It looks like things have gotten a lot harder for us.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 22, 2011, 02:30:25 pm

Quote from: Tyberix on January 21, 2011, 06:52:31 am

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 09:41:38 pm

...
Tyberix, you mentioned you had informants inside random.org and have solid evidence of mafia goals.  So do you really have that evidence (and what they are) or just pulling our legs, explained?
..

Back then it was only randomized list,sorry i know it was bit to much. Btw: please bold the nicks next time it makes it easier to find.

I'll keep that it mind.  I assume "nicks" means nicknames like this Tyberix.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 22, 2011, 02:32:57 pm

Quote from: Toaster on January 21, 2011, 08:56:16 am

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 09:19:58 pm

Okay thanks!  However, what is if the situation is unclear or if you just want to check the game out (so you could keep up to date with it)?

In the first case, that's a good time to ask questions to help clear up the confusion.  In the second, you don't have to post every time you read the thread, but if you make it a habit you will get called on it.

Okay, thanks Toaster.  You must be a pretty good player because you have an answer to everything.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 22, 2011, 02:37:41 pm

Quote from: mukluk on January 22, 2011, 02:32:57 pm

Quote from: Toaster on January 21, 2011, 08:56:16 am

Quote from: mukluk on January 20, 2011, 09:19:58 pm

Okay thanks!  However, what is if the situation is unclear or if you just want to check the game out (so you could keep up to date with it)?

In the first case, that's a good time to ask questions to help clear up the confusion.  In the second, you don't have to post every time you read the thread, but if you make it a habit you will get called on it.

Okay, thanks Toaster.  You must be a pretty good player because you have an answer to everything.

Oops, I forgot to bold the nick.  Now it is done.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 22, 2011, 04:10:36 pm

Ottofar I have no idea why they killed the captain, he seemed rather quiet. MAybe they figure he would not be protected or anyhting.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: Toaster on January 22, 2011, 08:39:24 pm

Quote from: mukluk on January 22, 2011, 02:32:57 pm

Okay, thanks Toaster.  You must be a pretty good player because you have an answer to everything.

I don't know about that- I actually have a pretty poor track record as town.  I'm better at theory than practice...

I do hope I'm helping you folks, though!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 1: Liars and Traitors and Cults, Oh My!
Post by: mukluk on January 22, 2011, 11:58:51 pm

Quote from: Toaster on January 22, 2011, 08:39:24 pm

Quote from: mukluk on January 22, 2011, 02:32:57 pm

Okay, thanks Toaster.  You must be a pretty good player because you have an answer to everything.

I don't know about that- I actually have a pretty poor track record as town.  I'm better at theory than practice...

I do hope I'm helping you folks, though!

Yeah, you have been great Toaster!  At least, you are good at teaching the stuff.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 23, 2011, 07:58:06 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 22, 2011, 04:10:36 pm

Ottofar I have no idea why they killed the captain, he seemed rather quiet. MAybe they figure he would not be protected or anyhting.

All righty. Why shouldn't we lynch you?
Who should be lynched? Why?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 10:39:52 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 22, 2011, 04:10:36 pm

Ottofar I have no idea why they killed the captain, he seemed rather quiet. MAybe they figure he would not be protected or anything.

Zrk2 I have protected pointless people before as a doctor.

Quote from: Ottofar on January 23, 2011, 07:58:06 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 22, 2011, 04:10:36 pm

Ottofar I have no idea why they killed the captain, he seemed rather quiet. MAybe they figure he would not be protected or anyhting.

All righty. Why shouldn't we lynch you?
Who should be lynched? Why?

Ottofar, a very good question.
That's the point of this game  ;)
You could try lynching whoever didn't consider the doc to be lynched...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 11:48:47 am

Quote from: Ottofar on January 23, 2011, 07:58:06 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 22, 2011, 04:10:36 pm

Ottofar I have no idea why they killed the captain, he seemed rather quiet. MAybe they figure he would not be protected or anyhting.

All righty. Why shouldn't we lynch you?
Who should be lynched? Why?

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

I am not sure who should be lynched yet but I am developing suspicions.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 11:53:42 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 11:48:47 am

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

Or maybe we shouldn't lynch you because you're scum. Right, Zrk2?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 01:23:16 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 11:53:42 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 11:48:47 am

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

Or maybe we shouldn't lynch you because you're scum. Right, Zrk2?

+10 sarcasm, young padawan. I will compile my suspicions later today.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 02:12:01 pm

Sorry, but my sarcasm stat is already maxed out. There's tons of space in the "intelligent discussion" department though :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Tyberix on January 23, 2011, 02:13:46 pm

Zrk2 So your definition of "contributing" is throwing random votes which, changing them after nearly blank post ? Maybe i'm not the best scumhunter but using the same excuse for self-defense along with admit that you have no clear suspects is confusing at least..

Quote from: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 10:39:52 am

[...]
Ottofar, a very good question.
That's the point of this game  ;)
You could try lynching whoever didn't consider the doc to be lynched...

TolyK So it makes no difference to you who do we lynch?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 03:00:12 pm

Quote from: Tyberix on January 23, 2011, 02:13:46 pm

Zrk2 So your definition of "contributing" is throwing random votes which, changing them after nearly blank post ? Maybe i'm not the best scumhunter but using the same excuse for self-defense along with admit that you have no clear suspects is confusing at least..

Agreed.

Quote

Quote from: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 10:39:52 am

[...]
Ottofar, a very good question.
That's the point of this game  ;)
You could try lynching whoever didn't consider the doc to be lynched...

TolyK So it makes no difference to you who do we lynch?

Uh...
I am just using reverse psychology. people who didn't look at who they may have thought was the doctor to be lynched may have wanted him to be killed at night instead.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 03:18:48 pm

Votecount please.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 03:23:02 pm

I don't think anybody has voted yet. Has anyone?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 03:32:35 pm

NO, looks like just me, for Ottofar, for his cryptic way of saying he wanted to lynch me. He always wants to lynch me.
Mukluk Detail your scumpicks and why.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 23, 2011, 03:48:38 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 03:32:35 pm

NO, looks like just me, for Ottofar, for his cryptic way of saying he wanted to lynch me. He always wants to lynch me.

What.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 23, 2011, 03:52:41 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 2
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  |   Darvi (1) - Tyberix
//  |   Ottofar (1) - Zrk2
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (4) - Azure Sepulchre, TolyK, mukluk, Darvi
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 2
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 03:54:34 pm

So, Tolyk, who do you think we shouldn't lynch?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 03:58:26 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 03:54:34 pm

So, Tolyk, who do you think we shouldn't lynch?

Ottofar and zrk2 have voted for each other. Unless they're REALLY smart they can't be same-aligned.

But who?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 04:56:11 pm

Hmm, Zrk2 has asked a lot of questions, while Ottofar has answered quite a few questions by quoting himself quoting other people quoting himself (or something like that).

Now, if Zrk2 were scum, then all of that questioning was a ruse to make us think he's a very inquisitive townie, and Ottofar, being an actual townie, just gave a lot of cryptic answers that nobody understood.
If the opposite were true, then Ottofar has made a (hardly subtle) attempt at confusing us, while Zrk2 really is very inquisitive.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 05:04:04 pm

Darvi, Exactly.

Now, it seems that Ottofar is trying to confuse us. While zrk2 is trying to stop people from finding out who he is.

My notation is : Mafia=1, Townie=0.

If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 1 then they are trying to trick us into thinking one of them is the townie.
If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 0 then Ottofar is rightfully being confusing and Zrk2 is a special dude (cop?)
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 1 then Ottofar is naturally cryptic/lazy and Zrk2 is trying to look like a townie.
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 0 then they're both bad mafia players.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:07:58 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 05:04:04 pm

Darvi, Exactly.

Now, it seems that Ottofar is trying to confuse us. While zrk2 is trying to stop people from finding out who he is.

My notation is : Mafia=1, Townie=0.

If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 1 then they are trying to trick us into thinking one of them is the townie.
If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 0 then Ottofar is rightfully being confusing and Zrk2 is a special dude (cop?)
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 1 then Ottofar is naturally cryptic/lazy and Zrk2 is trying to look like a townie.
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 0 then they're both bad mafia players.

Well (0,0) is out of the question imo. Just my guts though.
(1,1) would be bad for them, since they're actively trying to frame each other, meaning that in the end there's one less of them left.
(1,0) is somewhat unlikely, since it's blatantly confusing. Unless he counts on reverse psychology.
So... (0,1) it is then?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 05:16:58 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:07:58 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 05:04:04 pm

Darvi, Exactly.

Now, it seems that Ottofar is trying to confuse us. While zrk2 is trying to stop people from finding out who he is.

My notation is : Mafia=1, Townie=0.

If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 1 then they are trying to trick us into thinking one of them is the townie.
If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 0 then Ottofar is rightfully being confusing and Zrk2 is a special dude (cop?)
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 1 then Ottofar is naturally cryptic/lazy and Zrk2 is trying to look like a townie.
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 0 then they're both bad mafia players.

Well (0,0) is out of the question imo. Just my guts though.
(1,1) would be bad for them, since they're actively trying to frame each other, meaning that in the end there's one less of them left.
(1,0) is somewhat unlikely, since it's blatantly confusing. Unless he counts on reverse psychology.
So... (0,1) it is then?

(0,0) yeah.
(1,1) well but then one of them is framed as a townie. Which helps them.
(1,0) agreed
(0,1) probably.

Wow, logical deduction in a game based on gut feeling.
Wow.

Zrk2 it is then.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:23:21 pm

Ya, but then somebody still might say "Hey, lets kill him anyway!". And they lose one vote for lynching townies. Doesn't matter for this round though because if that's true then we're guaranteed to kill one scum.

And you do know that we're likely the next to be killed by the mafia, right? Eh, anything for our dark lord I suppose.

Zrk2

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 05:25:53 pm

We are too smart to live.
Well that was fun knowing ya! :D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:29:15 pm

Eh, I've prepared for that eventuality.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Tyberix on January 23, 2011, 05:35:01 pm

Why this feels suspiciously prepared for me ?
And why just like that throw out (0,0) situation? Accusing townie isn't something uncommon,just look at our last lynching for example..

Ottofar Do you think we have a doc at all ? Aside from zrk2 who do you find suspicious ?

And slow down with that "we gonna die",there's still hope for our Master ;) We have lot of time yet,and Azure/mukluk don't posted anything since D1 yet.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:37:13 pm

Quote from: Tyberix on January 23, 2011, 05:35:01 pm

Why this feels suspiciously prepared for me ?
And why just like that throw out (0,0) situation? Accusing townie isn't something uncommon,just look at our last lynching for example..

He was a lurker, so it was pretty much win/win for us. Of course, if our next victim really is a townie, ya well, I'll just accuse the survivor and have it done with.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 05:56:28 pm

yes, then we can lynch the next 2 mafia and have a majority.
I'm going 2 bed.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 07:54:33 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 05:04:04 pm

Darvi, Exactly.

Now, it seems that Ottofar is trying to confuse us. While zrk2 is trying to stop people from finding out who he is.

My notation is : Mafia=1, Townie=0.

If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 1 then they are trying to trick us into thinking one of them is the townie.
If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 0 then Ottofar is rightfully being confusing and Zrk2 is a special dude (cop?)
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 1 then Ottofar is naturally cryptic/lazy and Zrk2 is trying to look like a townie.
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 0 then they're both bad mafia players.

(1,1) Not likely, I am too new to pull it off, and I am naturally defensive.
(1,0) Likely, although you go out on a limb with your secondary conclusions.
(0,1) Lies. If I were scum I wouldn't have gotten into such a destructive battle with Ottofar, when he started building a case against me I would have moved on to a lurker.
(0,0) One half of that is true, the other half possible/likely.

TolyK Who are your top two scumpicks?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 23, 2011, 08:20:53 pm

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I don't have time for a poem,
take your expectations and stow 'em.
LurkerTracker

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Replacements considered: warhammer651 => Ottofar; vadia => TolyK.
The Morgue: The Captain: dead, cult Inquisitor; UristMcDwarf: dead, loyal cultist.

Moderator: please prod Azure Sepulchre. They haven't posted in over 24 hours.

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Azure has been prodded.

This is his second prod; if he accumulates another he will be modkilled.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 23, 2011, 10:16:53 pm

Just to clarify,

the weekend counts as 0 hours but

you still have to post in order to avoid the prod

I'm pretty lenient with weekend hours though, I understand people can be busy. I allow about 36-48 hours on weekends before a prod happens

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 11:11:44 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 07:54:33 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 23, 2011, 05:04:04 pm

Darvi, Exactly.

Now, it seems that Ottofar is trying to confuse us. While zrk2 is trying to stop people from finding out who he is.

My notation is : Mafia=1, Townie=0.

If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 1 then they are trying to trick us into thinking one of them is the townie.
If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 0 then Ottofar is rightfully being confusing and Zrk2 is a special dude (cop?)
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 1 then Ottofar is naturally cryptic/lazy and Zrk2 is trying to look like a townie.
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 0 then they're both bad mafia players.

(1,1) Not likely, I am too new to pull it off, and I am naturally defensive.
(1,0) Likely, although you go out on a limb with your secondary conclusions.
(0,1) Lies. If I were scum I wouldn't have gotten into such a destructive battle with Ottofar, when he started building a case against me I would have moved on to a lurker.
(0,0) One half of that is true, the other half possible/likely.

TolyK Who are your top two scumpicks?

You and Ottofar, I think one of you. I'm staying with you since it seems most logical to me.
Sorry  ;D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 01:08:58 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 03:32:35 pm

NO, looks like just me, for Ottofar, for his cryptic way of saying he wanted to lynch me. He always wants to lynch me.
Mukluk Detail your scumpicks and why.

Well Zrk2, I would say my picks are more persons of interest at the moment instead of pure scumpicks.  They are Tyberix because he asked me a bunch of questions early on and Tolyk who used to be Vadia (who received a couple of votes in the beginning), but now the scum meter for him seems to have dropped off a bit).  So Zrk2, same question to you, who are your scumpicks and why?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 01:14:29 am

Quote from: Tyberix on January 23, 2011, 05:35:01 pm

And slow down with that "we gonna die",there's still hope for our Master ;) We have lot of time yet,and Azure/mukluk don't posted anything since D1 yet.

Hey Tyberix.  I posted a lot on Saturday, but not as many people did probably due to the zero hrs things so I took most of Sunday off.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 07:32:23 am

Ack, got prodded again. -_- Sorry guys. May have to quit. Semester 2 coursework has piled up far faster than I had anticipated. I'm still in for the time being (I know how annoying it can be to have a replacement show up into a game that's been going a while) but I'm just saying you guys shouldn't be surprised if I end up getting kicked out.

Now, then. Gonna read up, see what I've missed.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 24, 2011, 07:54:37 am

I'm a bit in a rush, I'll do what I have time to do.

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Spoiler: My previous against Zrk2 (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:14:02 pm

Everyone:
Do you think we should roleclaim?

Here, pay attention to:
 a)Questioning everyone, doesn't really help. Picking targets makes things easier.
and b)Rolefishing. This benefits the scum, as they get to know who to roleblock, and/or who to kill. It doesn't benefit town on day 1 at all.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 03:37:13 pm

I asked because it is occasionally a useful option. I suggested it so we can decide whether or not we want to, and the move on, instead of debating it later, when we have more info to scumhunt with.

Why are you voting so early? You have no information. I know Day 1 lynches rarely prove useful, but shouldn't you at least wait until you have some info before voting?

a) Covering up for the slip
b) "Don't vote me!"

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:06:22 pm

I proposed a roleclaim so we could debate it now and get it out of the way, instead of later in the game when we would be more busy with the extra information we have.

Ottofar I thought you were experienced enough not to play BM. Do you think it is possible that you will unbalance the game?

Everyone Explain what strategy you would use as a scum. Who would you try and lynch first? How would you avoid suspicion (Don't say 'Scumhunting' I want details)? How would you try and help a partner in danger?

a) Covering up,
b) I was attacking him, then he asks, if I'm experienced enough to unbalance
and c) Everyone again.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:19:20 pm

Quote from: vadia on January 18, 2011, 04:15:41 pm

Zrk2 Why are you asking so many questions to so many people -- why not one or two to one or two people?

Vadia Asking questions is a scumtell? What?

Who are the scumpicks of everyone, if any?

a) Pure OMGUS vote.

b) Everyone. Also note that he doesn't state his own.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 04:41:58 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on January 18, 2011, 04:22:41 pm

[snip, even if it's not much]

I voted for him because he jumped on me for asking questions, that is the opposite of a scumtell.

I would say Vadia, for the above reason.

Defends OMGUS, claims it wasn't one.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 18, 2011, 05:52:19 pm

Ottofar You have been rather aggressive so far. Why have you engaged in RVSing so hard, as it almost never achieves anything?

At this point, I had not really attacked anyone else.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 19, 2011, 02:25:39 pm

Everyone: Please list your top two scumpicks, and give reasons.

I would say Vadia for taking my question asking as a scumtell, and for trying to mobilize a lynch campaign against people for not posting right away, this is BM, it will take a while to get going. I have no other real scumpick yet.

Everyone. This time he tells his pick though.

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Or ask some questions. Like: Urist McDwarf, Have you ever played mafia before.
Also, why are you lurking?

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 01:27:05 pm

Oh, I just threw out a series of generic questions, I see now that they were not very helpful, I just wanted to get those things out of the way quickly so we would not waste time discussing it when we have more information to discuss.

Here he is, still defending the rolefishing.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Here he is, not paying attention.
Or just acting stupid.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 11:48:47 am

Quote from: Ottofar on January 23, 2011, 07:58:06 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 22, 2011, 04:10:36 pm

Ottofar I have no idea why they killed the captain, he seemed rather quiet. MAybe they figure he would not be protected or anyhting.

All righty. Why shouldn't we lynch you?
Who should be lynched? Why?

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

I am not sure who should be lynched yet but I am developing suspicions.

Right, sure you are.

Also, he didn't state who he was suspicious of.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 01:23:16 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 11:53:42 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 11:48:47 am

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

Or maybe we shouldn't lynch you because you're scum. Right, Zrk2?

+10 sarcasm, young padawan. I will compile my suspicions later today.

"More later". Note that he never delivered. This is Toaster's (our beloved IC's) #1 scumtell.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 07:54:33 pm

(1,1) Not likely, I am too new to pull it off, and I am naturally defensive.
(1,0) Likely, although you go out on a limb with your secondary conclusions.
(0,1) Lies. If I were scum I wouldn't have gotten into such a destructive battle with Ottofar, when he started building a case against me I would have moved on to a lurker.
(0,0) One half of that is true, the other half possible/likely.

Defends self. Also, still haven't compiled his suspicions.

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That's what I'm voting Zrk for.

Also, I'm kinda suspicious of Darvi, and TolyK, they seem kinda buddy-esque.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 07:58:32 am

I think I will add "rolefishing" to the list of terminology.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 24, 2011, 08:09:34 am

Yes, I think you should do that.
Also, how about Toaster's #1 scumtell.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 08:42:15 am

Hmm... dead cop. Not as big an issue as we might think, though, since there was only a 50% chance of a cop even being in the game, which would have made it an extreme gamble on Captain's part to out his PR. Still. Would've been handy to know who he'd checked. >.>

Also observing the spat between Otto and Zrk2 with some interest. It could be a possible bus... however, the maffers just killed a cop - they wouldn't feel any pressure to preform well for the town at the moment, and as such have no need to attack one another to prove their own innocence. Ergo, I believe either only one of them is a mafioso member or neither is. Personally, I'm still inclined to think Zrk2 is mafia because of how much he's acted like an active lurker on day 1. On the other hand, he seems to be putting in the effort now ever since this was pointed out to him. At this stage, I'm just gonna watch him and Otto play it out, see which of them starts dropping the serious scumtells first. Besides, I have a new target in mind.

Specifically, Darvi:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 08:03:41 am

Well, Urists affiliation was kinda predictable.

Was it, now? And you voted for him despite this revelation, didn't you? Now isn't that interesting.

Quote from: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 08:34:57 am

Would've been too good for him to be a pally. that's what.

No, no, no, no, no. That simply isn't good enough. There must have been something more to this than simply blaming causality. And since you don't seem to have any obvious town tells (otherwise I'm sure you would have pointed them out by now), I must presume the only reason you knew he would be town was because you already know the scum. = |

Quote from: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 08:34:57 am

After rereading all of the posts, I've got 2 prime suspects: Zrk2, for asking to many questions, and Darvi, for not asking any at all.

Wonderful! Some delightful self-depricating anecdotes the whole family can enjoy! Well, I guess if you can make jokes about the fact that you haven't asked anyone questions and are FoSing someone based on them doing the exact opposite of you, it can't possibly be considered scummy. Oh, perish the thought. lol sarcasm >.>

I also couldn't help notice that you still haven't asked anyone a single question since you posted the above. Hrm. Care to elaborate on why? There are, after all, plenty more people in this game than just Otto and Zrk. And, assuming only one of those two is actually scum (or, indeed, if either of them are) there must still be a partner. You've adopted a surprisingly lazy attitude.

I also noted you finally settled your vote on Zrk2 (without providing any fresh reason for such a lynch beyond what Otto has regurgitated, I see), which - taking intocxonsideration the two other votes on him - would put Zrk2 in no light peril, considering the liklihood of a lynch, and - to repeat my argument against why I believe the mafia would be encouraged to bus right now - would momentarily eliminates him as a potential scum partner. I also noticed that Otto himself has made clear his suspicion of you, too, and as he has kept up the appearance of an acceptable town member until now, (or, at the very least, has attempted to hunt scum instead of indulging in banal discussion) I may also also momentarily eliminate him as a potential scum partner (which directly implies that Otto and Zrk2 are both town members bickering with one another, which I find rather amusing).

Ergo - if you are mafia - I believe your scum partnets would have to be, in order of liklihood:

TolyK: As has been pointed out by Otto, you two have been thick as thieves during the little match of wits between Otto and Zrk2 - and, as a note of particular interest, I discovered both of you placed your votes on Zrk2 within 10 minutes of one another, practically assuring at least Darvi holds your opinion, TolyK, in unduely high regard. You have also done very little since the onset of day 2 to further the cause of town, so - if I may be so bold as to ask - presuming Otto and Zrk2 are, for the moment, two town members scratching pointlessly at one another, whom would you consider the actual mafia, based on what you have observed from the start of day 2? What are your reasons?

mukluk/Tyberix: Since the start of day 2, I can count the number of meaningful posts from the both of you together with two fingers. = | This is not a direct FoS just yet, as I would consider it somewhat hypocritical for me to suddenly return and attack two apparent lurkers. However, I have no problems pointing out to the pair of you that I'll be keeping an eye on what the both of you say... and what you don't say.

So... yeah. I guess what I'm saying is that I think Darvi and TolyK are our mafia, and that the fight between Otto and Zrk2 is nothing but a waste of effort between two townies that's giving the mafia ample time to sit back and relax before we wander - with no real idea of who is and isn't mafia - into lylo. = |

Questions?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Toaster on January 24, 2011, 08:50:04 am

Quote from: Ottofar on January 24, 2011, 07:54:37 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 01:23:16 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 11:53:42 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 11:48:47 am

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

Or maybe we shouldn't lynch you because you're scum. Right, Zrk2?

+10 sarcasm, young padawan. I will compile my suspicions later today.

"More later". Note that he never delivered. This is Toaster's (our beloved IC's) #1 scumtell.

:D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

Quote from: Ottofar

Also, I'm kinda suspicious of Darvi, and TolyK, they seem kinda buddy-esque.

It's kind-of because I think Darvi isn't mafia. Just gut feeling.
However, if we lynch Zrk2 and he turns out town then I'm thinking you or Darvi.

Azure seems to be uninterested, but he can easily go on logged-out on a different-ip computer and check. well I am metacognating too much...

Quote from: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 08:42:15 am

Ergo - if you are mafia - I believe your scum partnets would have to be, in order of liklihood:

TolyK: As has been pointed out by Otto, you two have been thick as thieves during the little match of wits between Otto and Zrk2 - and, as a note of particular interest, I discovered both of you placed your votes on Zrk2 within 10 minutes of one another, practically assuring at least Darvi holds your opinion, TolyK, in unduely high regard. You have also done very little since the onset of day 2 to further the cause of town, so - if I may be so bold as to ask - presuming Otto and Zrk2 are, for the moment, two town members scratching pointlessly at one another, whom would you consider the actual mafia, based on what you have observed from the start of day 2? What are your reasons?

Logical deduction. These have been flaming at each other since... it seems like after the first lynching/killing. They provide the most info.

Actually with your post I'm rethinking.
I know that my gut feeling isn't too good.

Reflecting on this, we have 8 possibilities: (Darvi)(Ottofar)(Zrk2)
(0=town)(1=mafia)

(0)(0)(0) - possible. then everyone but me is mafia. but wait... nope. at least one is mafia.
(0)(0)(1) - Darvi agrees me. Ottofar is confusing, maybe to deter his lynching? zrk2 is vague on purpose.
(0)(1)(0) - Darvi agrees with me. Ottofar is trying to slip away. zrk2 is either not skilled or just vague.
(1)(0)(0) - Ottofar and zrk2 are having a pointless fight. Darvi looks at my logic and uses it against the townies.
(0)(1)(1) - Ottofar and zrk2 are really smart and are purposefully trying to make each other look town. Darvi agrees with me.
(1)(0)(1) - Darvi is using my logic against town. unlikely since darvi voted for zrk2
(1)(1)(0) - Darvi is using my logic against me, and ottofar is fueling it. zrk2 is helpless.
(1)(1)(1) - They are all mafia, but that doesn't exactly explain then voting for zrk2. could be that it makes them look town, and not looked at later.

Quote

So... yeah. I guess what I'm saying is that I think Darvi and TolyK are our mafia, and that the fight between Otto and Zrk2 is nothing but a waste of effort between two townies that's giving the mafia ample time to sit back and relax before we wander - with no real idea of who is and isn't mafia - into lylo. = |

*shrugs*

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

I missed a question in there, sorry.

I kind-of answered it anyway, but:
If both zrk2 and ottofar are town, mafia would know that and send them against each other. this could be for example Darvi, who may be using my logic as an opportunity against the town.

Or if Darvi is also town, we may have it that most of the rest of us are mafia.

If you're mafia, then you are trying to frame us.
If you're not mafia, then everyone else is mafia and is patiently waiting while we rip ourselves to shreds, then clean up.
...
well if I'm mafia I wouldn't do this, right?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 24, 2011, 10:44:05 am

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

well if I'm mafia I wouldn't do this, right?

You might want to check the OP's section about commonly used Abbreviations.
Particularly WIFOM.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 10:46:47 am

First post down from this one (Tyber, asking you a question in this one):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

If both zrk2 and ottofar are town, mafia would know that and send them against each other. this could be for example Darvi, who may be using my logic as an opportunity against the town.

As far as I can tell, the maffers wouldn't need to encourage those two to keep going at it. Them two are keepin' the fire going just fine all on their lonesome.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

Or if Darvi is also town, we may have it that most of the rest of us are mafia.

You talkin' 'bout mukluk and Tyber? Hmm. Possible. We've already lynched one lurker, though, and came up with nothing. A second lurker lynch could be a good idea. I don't mind letting go of some more people who won't be of much help tomorrow. However, it would be much better for our overall odds if we could get a mafioso today, so I would recommend taking into account all of the scum-tells you have accumulated before you make a final decision, which is why I have settled on Darvi.

On that note, I saw that Tyber has placed his vote on Darvi, too, but he only put it on him to pressure Darvi into answering a question that has been answered. Tyber, do you intend to lift that vote, or are you just going to leave it there until it starts accumulating mould? If you really are voting for Darvi, what are your reasons?

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

If you're mafia, then you are trying to frame us.
If you're not mafia, then everyone else is mafia and is patiently waiting while we rip ourselves to shreds, then clean up.

WIFOM. Yawn.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

well if I'm mafia I wouldn't do this, right?

You wouldn't do what? Seriously, I don't know what it is you're referring to.

Second post down from this one:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

Azure seems to be uninterested, but he can easily go on logged-out on a different-ip computer and check. well I am metacognating too much...

Yes, you are; it was a damn sloppy deflection, and the fact that you know it is doesn't negate the fault.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

Logical deduction. These have been flaming at each other since... it seems like after the first lynching/killing. They provide the most info.

Actually with your post I'm rethinking.
I know that my gut feeling isn't too good.

Gut feeling arguments are only for when you can't provide any evidence to back up a claim. In other words, you've simply told me you have absolutely no verifyable reason for thinking Darvi is town. Interesting.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

Reflecting on this, we have 8 possibilities: (Darvi)(Ottofar)(Zrk2)
(0=town)(1=mafia)

(0)(0)(0) - possible. then everyone but me is mafia. but wait... nope. at least one is mafia.
(0)(0)(1) - Darvi agrees me. Ottofar is confusing, maybe to deter his lynching? zrk2 is vague on purpose.
(0)(1)(0) - Darvi agrees with me. Ottofar is trying to slip away. zrk2 is either not skilled or just vague.
(1)(0)(0) - Ottofar and zrk2 are having a pointless fight. Darvi looks at my logic and uses it against the townies.
(0)(1)(1) - Ottofar and zrk2 are really smart and are purposefully trying to make each other look town. Darvi agrees with me.
(1)(0)(1) - Darvi is using my logic against town. unlikely since darvi voted for zrk2
(1)(1)(0) - Darvi is using my logic against me, and ottofar is fueling it. zrk2 is helpless.
(1)(1)(1) - They are all mafia, but that doesn't exactly explain then voting for zrk2. could be that it makes them look town, and not looked at later.

...hmm.

No, don't get me wrong. It wasn't the argument I found interesting - it's something I've already considered beforehand. I found it interesting that you appear to think it possible for there to be three mafia in this game, which was either a newb town-slip or a scum attempt to plead ignorance.

...hmm. A bit WIFOM'ish, but still. I'll have to think about this a bit more.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

*shrugs*

lol, you so cool.

Damn handy, these spoiler tags.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 10:47:37 am

Damn it, Otto! Now the order of my posts don't make any sense!

Ugh... you damned fiend. -_-

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 24, 2011, 10:54:24 am

Ha-ha!
That's what you get for doing what I was going to do when I get home,  before I get home!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 11:09:18 am

ok the post right above is kinda... uh...
*****
Let's get to the point:

Quote from: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 10:46:47 am

First post down from this one (Tyber, asking you a question in this one):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

If both zrk2 and ottofar are town, mafia would know that and send them against each other. this could be for example Darvi, who may be using my logic as an opportunity against the town.

As far as I can tell, the maffers wouldn't need to encourage those two to keep going at it. Them two are keepin' the fire going just fine all on their lonesome.

... aand what it they stop? mafia dies almost instantly.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

Or if Darvi is also town, we may have it that most of the rest of us are mafia.

You talkin' 'bout mukluk and Tyber? Hmm. Possible. We've already lynched one lurker, though, and came up with nothing. A second lurker lynch could be a good idea. I don't mind letting go of some more people who won't be of much help tomorrow. However, it would be much better for our overall odds if we could get a mafioso today, so I would recommend taking into account all of the scum-tells you have accumulated before you make a final decision, which is why I have settled on Darvi.
Thanks for the protip.

On that note, I saw that Tyber has placed his vote on Darvi, too, but he only put it on him to pressure Darvi into answering a question that has been answered. Tyber, do you intend to lift that vote, or are you just going to leave it there until it starts accumulating mould? If you really are voting for Darvi, what are your reasons?

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

If you're mafia, then you are trying to frame us.
If you're not mafia, then everyone else is mafia and is patiently waiting while we rip ourselves to shreds, then clean up.

WIFOM. Yawn.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:05:39 am

well if I'm mafia I wouldn't do this, right?

You wouldn't do what? Seriously, I don't know what it is you're referring to.

Second post down from this one:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

Azure seems to be uninterested, but he can easily go on logged-out on a different-ip computer and check. well I am metacognating too much...

Yes, you are; it was a damn sloppy deflection, and the fact that you know it is doesn't negate the fault.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

Logical deduction. These have been flaming at each other since... it seems like after the first lynching/killing. They provide the most info.

Actually with your post I'm rethinking.
I know that my gut feeling isn't too good.

Gut feeling arguments are only for when you can't provide any evidence to back up a claim. In other words, you've simply told me you have absolutely no verifyable reason (exactly!) for thinking Darvi is town. Interesting.

Actually I hadn't thought of the posts before. they do seem suspicious...
Which leads us to:

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

Reflecting on this, we have 8 possibilities: (Darvi)(Ottofar)(Zrk2)
(0=town)(1=mafia)

(0)(0)(0) - possible. then everyone but me is mafia. but wait... nope. at least one is mafia.
(0)(0)(1) - Darvi agrees me. Ottofar is confusing, maybe to deter his lynching? zrk2 is vague on purpose.
(0)(1)(0) - Darvi agrees with me. Ottofar is trying to slip away. zrk2 is either not skilled or just vague.
(1)(0)(0) - Ottofar and zrk2 are having a pointless fight. Darvi looks at my logic and uses it against the townies.
(0)(1)(1) - Ottofar and zrk2 are really smart and are purposefully trying to make each other look town. Darvi agrees with me.
(1)(0)(1) - Darvi is using my logic against town. unlikely since darvi voted for zrk2
(1)(1)(0) - Darvi is using my logic against me, and ottofar is fueling it. zrk2 is helpless.
(1)(1)(1) - They are all mafia, but that doesn't exactly explain then voting for zrk2. could be that it makes them look town, and not looked at later.

...hmm.

No, don't get me wrong. It wasn't the argument I found interesting - it's something I've already considered beforehand. I found it interesting that you appear to think it possible for there to be three mafia in this game, which was either a newb town-slip or a scum attempt to plead ignorance.
oh, so there are only 2? *facepalm* I didn't read the rules too closely I guess...
...hmm. A bit WIFOM'ish, but still. I'll have to think about this a bit more.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 09:01:33 am

*shrugs*

lol, you so cool.

Why thank you!

Damn handy, these spoiler tags.

Replies in bold inside ur text.

I'm still thinking zrk2, but my picks are zrk2, darvi, ottofar in descending order.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 11:33:28 am

So, the First vote against me? I knew this was gonna Happen. For the Same reason i knew urist was town: I have notoriously Bad luck. But that's neither here nor there.

As for Why i Never asked any questions:
A)i couldn't think of a Better question than "who would you lynch?"
B)i ws hoping i could deduct enough from your questions and
C) I'm lazy

Either Way, i have made preparations in Case i die. Also, if I'm gonna get Killer by the Mafia Next Night i Know you are One, since you want to kill me. Or at least i think i Know.


On an unrelated note, Typing this on an ipod is a pain in the Ass.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Tyberix on January 24, 2011, 11:43:09 am

I'll try to wrap up my overall suspicions:

Zrk2: Dodging from direct questions,not telling us about your thoughts and suspicions is the thing that strikes me most in your play,if you really do have such solid evidence on person you suspect,why you not share it with us ?

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 23, 2011, 07:54:33 pm

[...]
(0,1) Lies. If I were scum I wouldn't have gotten into such a destructive battle with Ottofar, when he started building a case against me I would have moved on to a lurker.
[...]

And i don't see the reason why mafia under pressure would go lurking,it will only make them accused for being mafia+lurking...
However except your "nothing to say about this" attitude ,you almost make sense, so you're not my prime suspect.

And that is : Darvi
Maybe his answer would be enough for me to lift the vote that time but now,i'm pretty sure that it's him who we should lynch:
Let's start from minor charges:

Quote from: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:29:15 pm

Eh, I've prepared for that eventuality.

So you were  sure you'll be hanging? Why,maybe because you're scum ?

Quote from: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:37:13 pm

Quote from: Tyberix on January 23, 2011, 05:35:01 pm

Why this feels suspiciously prepared for me ?
And why just like that throw out (0,0) situation? Accusing townie isn't something uncommon,just look at our last lynching for example..

He was a lurker, so it was pretty much win/win for us. Of course, if our next victim really is a townie, ya well, I'll just accuse the survivor and have it done with.

Again the same "LYNCH!LYNCH!LYNCH!" as before.And do not worry about mislynch mafia surely wont have advantage then..

Quote from: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:23:21 pm

Ya, but then somebody still might say "Hey, lets kill him anyway!". And they lose one vote for lynching townies. Doesn't matter for this round though because if that's true then we're guaranteed to kill one scum.

And you do know that we're likely the next to be killed by the mafia, right? Eh, anything for our dark lord I suppose.

Zrk2

The same situation as D1, somebody throws a vote quickly followed by Darvi. And what's  that with this slipped "they"?

And my previous charges are still valid, also second one that Azure pointed is worth a thought.

And by the way Azure this is indirect answer to your question

/Yay new proof in middle of writing..

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 11:33:28 am

So, the First vote against me? I knew this was gonna Happen. For the Same reason i knew urist was town: I have notoriously Bad luck. But that's neither here nor there.

As for Why i Never asked any questions:
A)i couldn't think of a Better question than "who would you lynch?"
B)i ws hoping i could deduct enough from your questions and
C) I'm lazy

Either Way, i have made preparations in Case i die. Also, if I'm gonna get Killer by the Mafia Next Night i Know you are One, since you want to kill me. Or at least i think i Know.


On an unrelated note, Typing this on an ipod is a pain in the Ass.

Of course the bad luck is great proof of being town. And if we wont lynch you we will have more info tommorow ? How is this possible ? And you are ready to be lynched, aeons of preparation i see ;p

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 11:49:21 am

i never wanted to use my Bad luck As an Argument.although it'll become bloody obvious once i'm dead.

And my preparation is a ghost avatar, with a Big "ha-ha, told ya!" in your face.

Yeah, got pretty much nothing Else to say.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 11:50:31 am

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=405229868968&id=af7110f06edaf7ea552edd3859256c9e&index=ch1)

this really hurts your case.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 11:57:38 am

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 11:50:31 am

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=405229868968&id=af7110f06edaf7ea552edd3859256c9e&index=ch1)

this really hurts your case.

*shrug*

You've got every right not to trust me. Just like I don't trust anybody of you. Besides, I'm a very untrustworthy person.

My only regret will be not getting to kill more of you guys, though.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 11:58:46 am

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 11:50:31 am

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=405229868968&id=af7110f06edaf7ea552edd3859256c9e&index=ch1)

this really hurts your case.

I lol'd pretty fuckin' hard. XDDD

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 12:08:24 pm

Anyway, getting back to the business at hand:

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 11:57:38 am

My only regret will be not getting to kill more of you guys, though.

...huh.

Gotta say, I've heard better townie arguments. You might have better luck if you try convincing us you're actually maffers, man. Ooh, I went there!

And yeah, Tyber. That answered my question quite sufficently. I was mostly wondering if you'd just left there because you'd forgotten about it.

Just wanna hear from the last of the lurkers, now. For the time being, he's drawing with TolyK for the position of 'maf buddy'. Against my better judgement, I'm gonna stop being cynical as all hell and believe TolyK. Maf wouldn't miscount the number of players in a beginner game, methinks. It could be a gambit, I guess, but it's a damn bold one if it is.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 12:33:41 pm

Ok, I'm not going to try to convince anybody I'm town, because I know I'll just fail. So I'll just write my last thoughts here. You may discard them if I really turn out to be scum, but I know better.

Ottofar:opposite alignment of Zrk2. Pretty much what I discussed before with Tolyk.
Tolyk: so far no suspicious behaviour. Either town or very dangerous scum
Azure: First one to accuse me. I just  think it's weird that it just happens to be after I settled on Zrk2. You're my top choice buddy.
Tyberix: I don't know if you're just jumping on Azure's bandwagon, really think I'm scum, or are an accomplice.
Mukluk: so far no suspicious behaviour.

So my list in decreasing suspicion is: Zrk2/Ottofar, Azure, Tyberix, Tolyk, Mukluk.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:39:58 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 12:33:41 pm

Ok, I'm not going to try to convince anybody I'm town, because I know I'll just fail. So I'll just write my last thoughts here. You may discard them if I really turn out to be scum, but I know better.

Ottofar:opposite alignment of Zrk2. Pretty much what I discussed before with Tolyk.
Tolyk: so far no suspicious behaviour. Either town or very dangerous scum
Azure: First one to accuse me. I just  think it's weird that it just happens to be after I settled on Zrk2. You're my top choice buddy.
Tyberix: I don't know if you're just jumping on Azure's bandwagon, really think I'm scum, or are an accomplice.
Mukluk: so far no suspicious behaviour.

So my list in decreasing suspicion is: Zrk2/Ottofar, Azure, Tyberix, Tolyk, Mukluk.

italicized: lol. I don't think i would be that good...

Argembarger (Mod), what's the status of votes?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 12:41:38 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 2
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (3) - Ottofar, TolyK, Darvi
//  |   Darvi (2) - Tyberix, Azure Sepulchre
//  |   Ottofar (1) - Zrk2
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (1) - mukluk
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 2
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:43:47 pm

Mukluk, get out here!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

oh, argembarger, I can correct that text under your avatar if you want 

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 24, 2011, 12:44:33 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 11:57:38 am

My only regret will be not getting to kill more of you guys, though.

What.

Unvote Zrk2.
Vote Darvi.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 12:47:04 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:43:47 pm

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oh, argembarger, I can correct that text under your avatar if you want 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

whaddya mean?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 12:48:37 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 12:33:41 pm

Mukluk: so far no suspicious behaviour.

I lol'd pretty hard at that. Callin' the lurker the least suspect. Harr. But whatever.

Nice OMGUS, by the way.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:51:14 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 12:47:04 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:43:47 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

oh, argembarger, I can correct that text under your avatar if you want 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

whaddya mean?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

... и Toaди великий нам путь озарил 

I think darvi's gonna die.
this shall be interesting. I wonder who he really is...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 12:54:21 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on January 24, 2011, 12:44:33 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 11:57:38 am

My only regret will be not getting to kill more of you guys, though.

What.

It's a game about killing everybody who's not on your side. Whadd'ya expect?

Quote from: Azure Sepulchre on January 24, 2011, 12:48:37 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 12:33:41 pm

Mukluk: so far no suspicious behaviour.

I lol'd pretty hard at that. Callin' the lurker the least suspect. Harr. But whatever.

That's the point. He's a lurker, so I can't really say anything about him. Not with my life at stake. Hmm, steak *drool*

Quote

Nice OMGUS, by the way.

Thanks. Or was that sarcasm? I sometimes fail to notice that kind of thing.

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:51:14 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 12:47:04 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:43:47 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

oh, argembarger, I can correct that text under your avatar if you want 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

whaddya mean?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

... и Toaди великий нам путь озарил 

I think darvi's gonna die.
this shall be interesting. I wonder who he really is...

Don't we all?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:56:18 pm

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This sentence is so not sarcastic  

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 02:35:15 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 12:43:47 pm

Mukluk, get out here!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

oh, argembarger, I can correct that text under your avatar if you want 

Okay TolyK, I'm here.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 02:35:51 pm

Mukluk, your top 2 skumpicks.

And who do you vote for?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 pm

Wow, I see that things have gotten busier.  So Darvi and Zrk2 are the top two suspect at the moment.  So far there hasn't been enough evidence to suggest they are outright mafia.  I hardly noticed Darvi in the game and Zrk2 have been asking questions.  It is a tough call.  Since Darvi just recently attracted as much attention and Zrk2 have getting some votes earlier in the game and more attention, I would go for Zrk2 at the moment, but I could be persuaded to change my vote if good enough arguments present itself.

I vote for Zrk2.  Question: How do you highlight the name in red?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 02:54:41 pm

Code: [Select]

[color=red]<insert text that you want to be red here>[/color]

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 02:55:45 pm

if you vote for zrk2 it's a tie.

...
how are ties handled?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 02:56:10 pm

Of you select the Text and use He color Button right above the smileys

Uh , tie. Coin Toss?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 02:57:13 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 02:35:51 pm

Mukluk, your top 2 skumpicks.

And who do you vote for?

Tolyk, I think I answered your first question somewhere in this thread already.  Let me look around to find it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 03:00:49 pm

Darvi and mr. mod, coin toss or does the odd one out choose?
mukluk ok.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 03:02:25 pm

Let's say i lose since zrk can still Change His mind

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 03:02:48 pm

I hope this is right. 

Vote

Code: [Select]

[color=red]zrk2[/color].

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 03:04:04 pm

In the case of a tie at the end of the day, nobody gets lynched.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 03:04:19 pm

Ya Thats right

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 03:06:18 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 03:02:25 pm

Let's say i lose since zrk can still Change His mind

okay then. why do you want to die?

Quote from: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 03:02:48 pm

I hope this is right. 

Vote

Code: [Select]

[color=red]zrk2[/color].

remove the code around that. [ c o d e ][ / c o d e ] <take this out

Quote from: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 03:04:04 pm

In the case of a tie at the end of the day, nobody gets lynched.

oh okay then. I might switch >:D or zrk2 might also

Zrk2 get over here!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 03:07:51 pm

Okay, I'm trying again.

Vote Zrk2.

Is that right?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 03:09:00 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 03:06:18 pm

Quote from: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 03:02:25 pm

Let's say i lose since zrk can still Change His mind

okay then. why do you want to die?

i don't, but it's the Most likely outcome

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 24, 2011, 03:33:02 pm

Sorry, little thing called exams.

My two scumpicks are Darvi, for his 'I looked forward to killing more of you.' Bah post. And Ottofar, a little bit, he has been useful lately, but still a little suspicious. He should answer questions directly instead of quoting previous posts, it looks like he is trying to cover for any possible slips by saying as little as possible.

Unvote Ottofar. Vote Darvi.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 03:37:20 pm

So yeah. See Ya later suckers

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 03:38:58 pm

argembarger (mod) we have a majority.

Request shorten day.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 24, 2011, 03:39:54 pm

Vote shorten

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 03:40:30 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 24, 2011, 03:39:54 pm

Vote shorten

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 03:47:20 pm

Requests don't work if they are embedded in a quote

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 03:49:26 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 03:47:20 pm

Requests don't work if they are embedded in a quote

Vote shorten, then.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 03:54:42 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 2
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (2) - TolyK, Darvi
//  |   Darvi (5) - Tyberix, Azure Sepulchre, Ottofar, mukluk, Zrk2
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (0)
//  |   
//  |   Three shorten requests
//  |   Day has been shortened by 24 hours
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 2
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Monday, January 24, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   6 hours from the time of this post
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 03:58:43 pm

so should we shorten again just to have it over with?

Shorten once again to NOW.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 04:02:52 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 03:58:43 pm

so should we shorten again just to have it over with?

Shorten once again to NOW.

Ya. Shorten.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 24, 2011, 04:17:23 pm

Why is Darvi voting for a shorten?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 04:18:16 pm

'cause no time in the world can change my predicament and I'm impatient.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 04:18:53 pm

is that a vote zrk2?  ;D
*we're at a max. lynch now!*

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 24, 2011, 04:21:36 pm

Yes, shorten, as a decision appears to have been reached.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2011, 04:24:23 pm

and we're OUT.
see you 2morrow (for me)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 05:19:57 pm

Okay since it is a shorten request.

Unvote zrk2  Vote Darvi

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 05:22:51 pm

You already voted for me. Didn't you?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: mukluk on January 24, 2011, 05:26:53 pm

I voted for zrk2, but since you wanted to shorten it I'm honoring your request and giving you the vote.  Sorry, if you are innocent.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 05:30:21 pm

Eh, then the whiteboard's wrong. And I'm not innocent. I'm a friggin' cultist!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Argembarger on January 24, 2011, 06:31:12 pm

Yeah whoops, I must've screwed up on the whiteboard. Oh well, it's correct now :P

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 2
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (2) - TolyK, Darvi
//  |   Darvi (5) - Tyberix, Azure Sepulchre, Ottofar, mukluk, Zrk2
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (0)
//  |   
//  |   Three shorten requests
//  |   Day has been shortened by 24 hours
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 2
//  |   3 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Right now
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/


The arguments continued through another long, tiring day. The Master's pulsating presence began to slow slightly.

Suddenly, out of the din of conversation, Darvi spoke up.

"My only regret will be not getting to kill more of you guys, though."

Everyone, save TolyK, brandished their daggers and leaped on Darvi, stabbing wildly. Darvi died, sympathizing with pincushions.

His soul gushed out of every knife wound, coalescing and drifting into the stone like all the others before.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x302/johnsmitherson/doomspeak4.png)

...

It appears Darvi was a Loyal Cultist.

Before you can think about your terrible mistake, you all pass out of exhaustion once again.

It is now Night 2
Send in your Night Actions!
Night 2 will end sometime between now and 24 hours from now.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 25, 2011, 11:57:58 am

You all wake up, anticipating yet another day of traitor-hunting.

Your numbers are now at 5; Tyberix seems to have a small boulder where his head used to be. There's blood and skull fragments everywhere. It's kind of gross.

The Master is silent. It's rather unsettling and foreboding.

Toaster informs you that The Master is quite worried that you will be unable to find the traitors, that you will all be destroyed and that His millenium-long plan will be brought to ruin.

Tyberix was a loyal cult member with no outstanding rank or abilities.

Better find them fast! The loyal cultists have nearly been outnumbered by traitors!

---

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 3
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |
//  |   Not Voting (5) - Azure Sepulchre, TolyK, Ottofar, mukluk, Zrk2
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 3
//  |   2 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 12:02:24 pm

I WAS RIGHT!

I must find out more.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Ottofar on January 25, 2011, 12:26:32 pm

Zrk2

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 12:30:02 pm

Ottofar, why?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Side note: does the text under your avatar refer to mine? 

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 25, 2011, 01:01:47 pm

Updated the CEA list with a few new terms, and made it easier to browse through visually.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 01:13:31 pm

okay thanks.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Is it ok to say "TolyK has risen from the dead. A relentless haunt, torturing friends and relatives." when we die and post no more?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 25, 2011, 01:20:59 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 01:13:31 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Is it ok to say "TolyK has risen from the dead. A relentless haunt, torturing friends and relatives." when we die and post no more?

Yes, dead players are entitled to a single "bah!" post after death. They are forbidden from revealing any game-related information in that bah post, though, at risk of being banned from mafia.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Darvi on January 25, 2011, 01:52:17 pm

in that case ...

"*gargle*I ... Told you... So...*dead*"

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Tyberix on January 25, 2011, 02:03:24 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/eln18.gif)

Well,they got me too. Go Go Tow..Cult!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Ottofar on January 25, 2011, 02:21:03 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 12:30:02 pm

Ottofar, why?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Side note: does the text under your avatar refer to mine? 

There are two walls of text stating why.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nope, I think it was there before you registered.

My avatar is almost every avatar meme this forum has ever had. Almost. I forgot to make it spinning, as pointed out by Armok, IIRC, and I, instead of making it spin, added the text.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 02:36:11 pm

I saw this.
However the situation has changed.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

yeah, I kinda got it. lol

Azure, come here a minute.
So quick to find alliance? Yes Darvi was suspected and finally threw in the towel, but you were fairly quick to put us together.
What do you think now?

Zrk2, you too.
Will you continue that stupid fight with ottofar? Or, if you are town, why continue that destructive fight with ottofar? if you go and press someone else then it would make more sense. Or is your pointless flame war with ottofar to distract us from your mafia side, eh?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:03:15 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 02:36:11 pm

Zrk2, you too.
Will you continue that stupid fight with ottofar? Or, if you are town, why continue that destructive fight with ottofar? if you go and press someone else then it would make more sense. Or is your pointless flame war with ottofar to distract us from your mafia side, eh?

That sounds like a weak attempt to cover for your scum partner, TolyK. Srsly?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 03:15:41 pm

well at least you're trying ;)

yeah I'm not good at flaming. I admit it. XD

to be honest I'm paranoid right now. my order is azure>ottofar=zrk>mukluk. mukluk has been fairly inactive though.

waiting for us to kill each other, eh mukluk?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:19:29 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 03:15:41 pm

well at least you're trying ;)

yeah I'm not good at flaming. I admit it. XD

to be honest I'm paranoid right now. my order is azure>ottofar=zrk>mukluk. mukluk has been fairly inactive though.

waiting for us to kill each other, eh mukluk?

Well thank you. And do your >s follow methematical rules, or does mukluk place in as most scummy? For clarity.

Azure and Mukluk tell us what you think of the revelation of Darvis' innocence, and how this affects your scumpicks.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 03:25:17 pm

scummy>less scummy

hold on I'm posting a big sheet of 12 possibilities. please stand by so that I don't get "there are new posts" warnings.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 25, 2011, 03:28:39 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 03:15:41 pm

well at least you're trying ;)

yeah I'm not good at flaming. I admit it. XD

to be honest I'm paranoid right now. my order is azure>ottofar=zrk>mukluk. mukluk has been fairly inactive though.

waiting for us to kill each other, eh mukluk?

Tolyk, I'm just as disappointed as you are as to how the game has been going.  I'm a bit paranoid myself too.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 03:36:50 pm

er, make that 6.
4!/((4-2)!/2)=6 possibilities.
azure, ottofar, zrk, mukluk in that order.

(0)(0)(1)(1) - azure passive townie. mukluk waiting for us to suicide. zrk2 defending against ottofar.
(0)(1)(0)(1) - azure passive townie, mukluk waiting for suicide. ottofar defending against zrk2.
(0)(1)(1)(0) - azure and mukluk passive townies. ottofar and zrk2 make look that one of them is town. possible, but unlikely.
(1)(0)(0)(1) - ottofar and zrk2 are flaming to no use. azure and mukluk are just biding their time. not too likely.
(1)(0)(1)(0) - azure waiting, keeping tension up. zrk2 defending. possible.
(1)(1)(0)(0) - azure waiting, tension stays high. ottofar and azure keeping suspicions against zrk2.

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I'm keeping that order, but mukluk may still be it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 25, 2011, 03:41:11 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:19:29 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 03:15:41 pm

well at least you're trying ;)

yeah I'm not good at flaming. I admit it. XD

to be honest I'm paranoid right now. my order is azure>ottofar=zrk>mukluk. mukluk has been fairly inactive though.

waiting for us to kill each other, eh mukluk?

Zrk2,

Well thank you. And do your >s follow methematical rules, or does mukluk place in as most scummy? For clarity.

Azure and Mukluk tell us what you think of the revelation of Darvis' innocence, and how this affects your scumpicks.

Like I said in my last post, it was disappointing and it means we have to get our act together or we are toast.  In the last round, both you and Darvis was up and it makes me wonder if we made the right decision.  Anyways, same question to you Zrk2.  What do you think of the revelation of Darvis' innocence, and how this affects your scumpicks?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:46:19 pm

All right. My scumpicks are Ottofar for this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 02:05:48 pm

*sigh*

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 09:47:22 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

There's nothing wrong with lynching a lurker, worst cases is you just lose a useless townie...

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 08:56:42 am

Zrk2.
Why do you think The Captain was killed.
Also:

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 06:11:24 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

A votecount, before your question, and

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 10:10:52 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1 End
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

The End Of the Day.

He just reposts old things in order to avoid saying anything that could be scummy, as well as hounding me for my OP long after everyone else moved on. It's an attempt at framing me, and he isn't even examining other possibilities.

And Azure for demi-lurking.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 25, 2011, 08:20:04 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 25, 2011, 02:36:11 pm

Azure, come here a minute.
So quick to find alliance? Yes Darvi was suspected and finally threw in the towel, but you were fairly quick to put us together.
What do you think now?

Because you were buddying. It's a scumtell if there's no reason for it, and the pair of you were nattering away to no worthwhile end whilst Otto and Zrk2 argued back and forth and everyone else lurked in a corner. Pardon me for being the only god damn player to actually try scumhunting for a change, even if I was wrong. At least it dragged you two out of you reverie and lured the lurkers out of the woodwork.

I'm also wondering why exactly it is that you're targetting me at the moment. At first I thought you were just trying to pressure me, but as it appears to have become a more serious vote as the day has progressed I'm inclined to think it's on the basis of my day 2 theory of you and Darvi being buddy-maffers (despite the fact that I expressed my own doubts about that very theory before the day ended, when you started dropping town-tells). However, that's a very weak proof of much of anything beyond the fact that my scum-hunting failed (as it appears wont to do in these bloody games... >.>). In fact, it's basically come across a delayed OMGUS; something I'm not sure I should find annoying or amusing.

As for what I think... hmm. I still think I got a solid town-tell on you, TolyK, which puts my own mafia list like this - going from scummiest to least:

Zrk2, mukluk, Ottofar, TolyK.

The slip about thinking there were three mafia was just too... casual to be a scum gambit, in my opinion. I've been thinking about it, and - since it seems Darvi really is town - I have drawn the conclusion that you genuinely didn't know there were only two maffers, which meant that you couldn't possibly be maffers. As far as I'm concerned, you're almost entirely in the clear.

Also think I got a town-tell on Otto, too, as I reckon scum would do everything in their power to avoid appearing scummy. Otto, on the other hand, has played like a cryptic motherfucker all game; practically heedless of any criticism or pressure votes and hounding Zrk2 with almost rabid single-mindedness (of course, this could be a possible mafioso gambit, but it relies too strongly on leaving yourself at the mercy of town's whims for it to make any sense). He also actually has a solid argument on Zrk2 that adequately explains his tunnel-vision and makes me rather ashamed of not having lynched him yesterday (considering how blatantly obvious things have become now - however, in hindsight, this was only made possible by the revelation that Darvi was town), which leaves only a lurker who has made things difficult for me by preventing me from connecting any scum-teams via interplay. Although, if I were to examine things a bit more closely...

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:46:19 pm

And Azure for demi-lurking.

Wow, lookatdat! Suddenly, I don't even need to try to find evidence of a Zrk/mukluk scum pairing. >.> Ignoring mukluk's obsessive lurking and noteworthy lack of contribution to the town cause in favour of attacking me. I see. Cool beans, brah.

I also don't believe I've seen either one of them even so much as FoS the other throughout the entire game, and have only really changed this now when it would start looking really suspicious - obvious distancing they're trying to fix now that it's too late. Rather ashamed of myself for only noticing that now, of course, but... eh. Better late than never and all that.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 25, 2011, 08:21:17 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:19:29 pm

Azure and Mukluk tell us what you think of the revelation of Darvis' innocence, and how this affects your scumpicks.

Missed this, but I think I've pretty much answered it anyway. >.>

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Toaster on January 25, 2011, 08:25:28 pm

Alright, folks.  This is LYLO.  If there's a mislynch here, the scum wins.  Now, more than ever, you must think before you act.  I'd recommend everyone go back to the start of the thread and reread everything.  Take notes.  Look for inconsistencies and concealed BS.  Think before you vote, and explain yourself.  A mistake here is a loss.


Again, if you have specific questions, please let me know.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 09:35:40 pm

Quote from: Azure Sepulchre on January 25, 2011, 08:21:17 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:19:29 pm

Azure and Mukluk tell us what you think of the revelation of Darvis' innocence, and how this affects your scumpicks.

Missed this, but I think I've pretty much answered it anyway. >.>

Yes, you did. Which leaves Mukluk and Ottofar as the most likely scum. I will reread the thread tomorrow and compose my 'Massive List of Thoughts on Players.' As I did over in Kingmaker. Scum shall die.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 26, 2011, 03:09:06 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 09:35:40 pm

Quote from: Azure Sepulchre on January 25, 2011, 08:21:17 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:19:29 pm

Azure and Mukluk tell us what you think of the revelation of Darvis' innocence, and how this affects your scumpicks.

Missed this, but I think I've pretty much answered it anyway. >.>

Yes, you did. Which leaves Mukluk and Ottofar as the most likely scum. I will reread the thread tomorrow and compose my 'Massive List of Thoughts on Players.' As I did over in Kingmaker. Scum shall die.

I also answered your question half the page up.  I asked you the same question Zrk2 and I haven't receive a response on it yet.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 26, 2011, 03:16:40 am

Quote from: Toaster on January 25, 2011, 08:25:28 pm

Alright, folks.  This is LYLO.  If there's a mislynch here, the scum wins.  Now, more than ever, you must think before you act.  I'd recommend everyone go back to the start of the thread and reread everything.  Take notes.  Look for inconsistencies and concealed BS.  Think before you vote, and explain yourself.  A mistake here is a loss.


Again, if you have specific questions, please let me know.

Does LYLO means lynch lost?  Also, are there other popular abbreviations?  Thanks for the advice Toaster at this stage of the game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 26, 2011, 07:39:43 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 12, 2011, 12:17:52 pm

Spoiler: CEAs (Commonly Encountered Abbreviations) and Other Terminology Commonly Found in Bay12 Mafia (click to show/hide)

Alignment - Who you share a victory condition with. Town-aligned, Scum-aligned, or third party alignments.

BM - Beginner's Mafia (Or, Bastard Mod, a Mafia game with a purposefully unreliable moderator, or misleading information)

Bus - (noun: the bus ; verb: bussing, throwing him/her under the bus) When a mafia member attacks another one in order to make themselves look like a loyal townie when his or her scumpartner gets lynched.

Cult - A group of players who know each others alignments, unless it is a bastard mod or something. Traditionally, all of them are town-aligned. They can communicate with each other freely.

FoS - Finger of Suspicion, writing someone's name in blue signifies a great deal of suspicion. It's kind of like a fake-vote, or the threat of a vote. Good for getting attention.

FTD - Failure to Deliver, also known as Toaster's #1 Scumtell. The act of promising to post more information at a later time, and then failing to do so. A very difficult action to justify as town, because it means you are either lazy or lying, it is therefore seen as a pretty solid scumtell.

IC - Inexperienced Challenged, players who are too experienced to justify playing in a Beginner's Mafia, and act as mentors/guides for the Town or the Scum.

Lurking - Purposefully not posting, so that you have few or no posts that can be analyzed. Generally a good strategy for scum. However, has the danger of earning you prods, getting modkilled, or found out via Zathras' Lurkertracker. Lurking is different than simply being away or unavailable. A good way to tell if someone is lurking is to check their profile's last active time, and compare it to their last post.

LYLO - Lynch or Lose, a situation where Town only outnumbers Scum by a single person (e.g. 3 town vs. 2 scum). During LYLO, Town MUST lynch Scum or instantly lose.

MYLO - Mislynch and Lose, a situation where Town outnumbers Scum by two people (4 town vs. 2 scum). During MYLO, if Town lynches Town, Scum will win after night-killing town, making it 2 town vs. 2 scum, which is an instant scum win.

NL - No Lynch, to choose to end the day without lynching anyone and see if any information is revealed in the night.

OMGUS - Oh My God U Suck, a vote on someone else simply because they voted or attacked you

PFP - Posting From Phone (or Profession), throwing up a short post to prove you aren't lurking, when you are too busy at the time to make a more complete post.

PL - Policy Lynch, lynching someone for reasons other than scumminess. Variants are Lynch All Lurkers, Lynch All Liars, etc. Also see: Org.

PPE - Pre-Post Edit, typically done when you go to either Preview or Post and notice that someone else has posted before you. PPE is shorthand for acknowledging the "Warning - You may wish to review your post" message.

RIA - Refuge in Audacity, acting really crazy or really scummy to make people think that you couldn't possibly be scum because of how crazy you are. This never works. Neither does sarcasm in general, really. If you want to be sarcastic, make it painfully obvious you are being sarcastic, with <sarcasm>fake sarcasm tags</sarcasm>. Even still, it's not a good idea, because Mafia is SERIOUS BUSINESS

Role - Also called Power Role, any special powers you have. Cops, doctors, roleblockers, and godfathers are examples of classic roles. Some roles are alignment-specific, some aren't, and some can be for any alignment.

Rolefishing - Any question or attempt to learn information about someone's role. Typically something done at the beginning of the game. Typically a scum move, because it is in scum's advantage to find and lynch powerful roles. Can be acceptable later in the game, or in special circumstances where it is beneficial for town to learn someone's role. The reason it is scummy is because the really powerful town roles want to stay hidden so they don't get lynched by scum, and bringing attention to them by rolefishing risks their secrecy.

RVS - Random Voting Stage, the early-early game, shortly after the game begins, where people randomly vote each other and ask each other different questions, trying to find any good reason to suspect someone.

Scum - Mafia, or someone who isn't aligned with the Town. The Informed Minority.

SK - Serial Killer, a third party role with a nightkill, and who is hostile to everyone.

Survivor - a third party role whose win condition requires that they be alive at the end of the game. Normal players can die and still win as long as their team as a whole wins, but a survivor must actually be alive at the end.

Third Party - an alignment that is independent of scum and town. Has a unique victory condition, and is typically a lone wolf type character.

Town - The anti-Scum. The uninformed majority.

Vanilla - Someone who doesn't have a power role. "Vanilla Town", "Vanilla Scum", etc.

WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me, the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that his behavior would be subject to scrutiny.

Quote from: Princess Bride

"All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead."

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?"

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Zrk2 on January 26, 2011, 07:46:28 pm

Everyone, please report in with your scumpicks. As this is Lylo we need to look over everything.

I still think Ottofar is scum, as explained above.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 27, 2011, 04:34:52 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 26, 2011, 07:39:43 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 12, 2011, 12:17:52 pm

Spoiler: CEAs (Commonly Encountered Abbreviations) and Other Terminology Commonly Found in Bay12 Mafia (click to show/hide)

Alignment - Who you share a victory condition with. Town-aligned, Scum-aligned, or third party alignments.

BM - Beginner's Mafia (Or, Bastard Mod, a Mafia game with a purposefully unreliable moderator, or misleading information)

Bus - (noun: the bus ; verb: bussing, throwing him/her under the bus) When a mafia member attacks another one in order to make themselves look like a loyal townie when his or her scumpartner gets lynched.

Cult - A group of players who know each others alignments, unless it is a bastard mod or something. Traditionally, all of them are town-aligned. They can communicate with each other freely.

FoS - Finger of Suspicion, writing someone's name in blue signifies a great deal of suspicion. It's kind of like a fake-vote, or the threat of a vote. Good for getting attention.

FTD - Failure to Deliver, also known as Toaster's #1 Scumtell. The act of promising to post more information at a later time, and then failing to do so. A very difficult action to justify as town, because it means you are either lazy or lying, it is therefore seen as a pretty solid scumtell.

IC - Inexperienced Challenged, players who are too experienced to justify playing in a Beginner's Mafia, and act as mentors/guides for the Town or the Scum.

Lurking - Purposefully not posting, so that you have few or no posts that can be analyzed. Generally a good strategy for scum. However, has the danger of earning you prods, getting modkilled, or found out via Zathras' Lurkertracker. Lurking is different than simply being away or unavailable. A good way to tell if someone is lurking is to check their profile's last active time, and compare it to their last post.

LYLO - Lynch or Lose, a situation where Town only outnumbers Scum by a single person (e.g. 3 town vs. 2 scum). During LYLO, Town MUST lynch Scum or instantly lose.

MYLO - Mislynch and Lose, a situation where Town outnumbers Scum by two people (4 town vs. 2 scum). During MYLO, if Town lynches Town, Scum will win after night-killing town, making it 2 town vs. 2 scum, which is an instant scum win.

NL - No Lynch, to choose to end the day without lynching anyone and see if any information is revealed in the night.

OMGUS - Oh My God U Suck, a vote on someone else simply because they voted or attacked you

PFP - Posting From Phone (or Profession), throwing up a short post to prove you aren't lurking, when you are too busy at the time to make a more complete post.

PL - Policy Lynch, lynching someone for reasons other than scumminess. Variants are Lynch All Lurkers, Lynch All Liars, etc. Also see: Org.

PPE - Pre-Post Edit, typically done when you go to either Preview or Post and notice that someone else has posted before you. PPE is shorthand for acknowledging the "Warning - You may wish to review your post" message.

RIA - Refuge in Audacity, acting really crazy or really scummy to make people think that you couldn't possibly be scum because of how crazy you are. This never works. Neither does sarcasm in general, really. If you want to be sarcastic, make it painfully obvious you are being sarcastic, with <sarcasm>fake sarcasm tags</sarcasm>. Even still, it's not a good idea, because Mafia is SERIOUS BUSINESS

Role - Also called Power Role, any special powers you have. Cops, doctors, roleblockers, and godfathers are examples of classic roles. Some roles are alignment-specific, some aren't, and some can be for any alignment.

Rolefishing - Any question or attempt to learn information about someone's role. Typically something done at the beginning of the game. Typically a scum move, because it is in scum's advantage to find and lynch powerful roles. Can be acceptable later in the game, or in special circumstances where it is beneficial for town to learn someone's role. The reason it is scummy is because the really powerful town roles want to stay hidden so they don't get lynched by scum, and bringing attention to them by rolefishing risks their secrecy.

RVS - Random Voting Stage, the early-early game, shortly after the game begins, where people randomly vote each other and ask each other different questions, trying to find any good reason to suspect someone.

Scum - Mafia, or someone who isn't aligned with the Town. The Informed Minority.

SK - Serial Killer, a third party role with a nightkill, and who is hostile to everyone.

Survivor - a third party role whose win condition requires that they be alive at the end of the game. Normal players can die and still win as long as their team as a whole wins, but a survivor must actually be alive at the end.

Third Party - an alignment that is independent of scum and town. Has a unique victory condition, and is typically a lone wolf type character.

Town - The anti-Scum. The uninformed majority.

Vanilla - Someone who doesn't have a power role. "Vanilla Town", "Vanilla Scum", etc.

WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me, the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that his behavior would be subject to scrutiny.

Quote from: Princess Bride

"All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead."

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?"

Okay thanks Argembarger.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 27, 2011, 04:38:15 am

LYLO it is.  Let's get this one right people.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 27, 2011, 08:47:33 am

You already have my answers, and I have seen nothing that should incline me to change my mind.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 27, 2011, 09:14:27 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 25, 2011, 03:46:19 pm

All right. My scumpicks are Ottofar for this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 02:05:48 pm

*sigh*

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 09:47:22 am

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 21, 2011, 07:05:07 pm

There's nothing wrong with lynching a lurker, worst cases is you just lose a useless townie...

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Quote from: Ottofar on January 22, 2011, 08:56:42 am

Zrk2.
Why do you think The Captain was killed.
Also:

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 06:11:24 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

A votecount, before your question, and

Quote from: Argembarger on January 21, 2011, 10:10:52 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 1 End
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   Zrk2 (1) - Ottofar
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

The End Of the Day.

Dude, that is... uh... quite a weak reason.

I did it like that to point out the stupidity of your question.

I mean you asked that when my vote was on you.

Also, I'll laugh if Azure and Mukluk are the scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2011, 09:25:56 am

Discuss!  Probe!  Question!

Don't be complacent in your old suspicions.  Review them and really ask yourself- is that what I believe is correct?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 27, 2011, 09:54:39 am

/  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 3
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   Zrk2 (2) - Ottofar, Azure Sepulchre
//  |   Ottofar (1) - Zrk2
//  |   Not Voting (2) - TolyK, mukluk
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 3
//  |   2 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   In around 12 Hours from now.
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 27, 2011, 10:17:21 am

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Ottofar has 36 posts; the last 3 hours ago. Red text: Zrk2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1914012#msg1914012). Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1893954#msg1893954)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894031#msg1894031)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894143#msg1894143)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894192#msg1894192)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894298#msg1894298)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894324#msg1894324)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894340#msg1894340)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894353#msg1894353)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894387#msg1894387)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894393#msg1894393)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1894420#msg1894420)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1895577#msg1895577)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1896016#msg1896016)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1896098#msg1896098)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1898239#msg1898239)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1898993#msg1898993)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1899070#msg1899070)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1899073#msg1899073)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1899269#msg1899269)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1901541#msg1901541)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1902668#msg1902668)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1904617#msg1904617)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1904673#msg1904673)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1904692#msg1904692)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1904942#msg1904942)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1905119#msg1905119)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1907392#msg1907392)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1908401#msg1908401)[29] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1910571#msg1910571)[30] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1910594#msg1910594)[31] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1910813#msg1910813)[32] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1910824#msg1910824)[33] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1911027#msg1911027)[34] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1914012#msg1914012)[35] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1914381#msg1914381)[36] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.msg1920329#msg1920329)
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Replacements considered: warhammer651 => Ottofar; Toaster => Toaster, Town IC; vadia => TolyK.
The Morgue: The Captain: dead, cult Inquisitor; Tyberix: dead, loyal cultist; Darvi: dead, loyal cultist; UristMcDwarf: dead, loyal cultist.

Moderator: please prod TolyK. They haven't posted in over 24 hours.

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Tolyk has been prodded

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 27, 2011, 10:24:18 am

Sorry. My internet died so... yeah. Sorry.


In other news zrk2 isn't really giving good examples of why he's doing that. I perfectly understood ottofar when he did that.

or maybe that's just me.  :D

Azure... from your posts please prove that you're town.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Zrk2 on January 27, 2011, 12:13:53 pm

Ok, well then Unvote Ottofar Which leaves Mukluk for his lurkitude.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 27, 2011, 02:11:55 pm

I'm here Zrk2.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: TolyK on January 27, 2011, 02:14:03 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 27, 2011, 10:24:18 am

In other news zrk2 isn't really giving good examples of why he's doing that.

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 27, 2011, 12:13:53 pm

Ok, well then Unvote Ottofar

I don't get this. Either you get my point and decide to reconsider completely (unlikely) or you're moving on to a new guy when this guy is standing rock solid.

Interesting.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 27, 2011, 02:22:50 pm

I agree with Tolyk.  Your earlier arguments could have been stronger.  Along, with how we could had made the wrong decision last time with the Darvi vote, so I vote for Zrk2.  However Zrk2, if you present some stronger arguments, I could reconsider changing my vote.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Zrk2 on January 27, 2011, 04:34:55 pm

Ok, I unvoted Ottofar because, as you said, he was not cracking. This suggests to me that he is a townie because he isn't hiding anything, at least that is obvious. You should not lynch me because I am trying to find a scum as hard as I can.

Mukluk, don't just say that 'you're here,' scumhunt. We are in lylo, and you just say 'yeah, I'm here' and don't try to find the scum? What the hell? That is a massive scumtell to me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 27, 2011, 04:38:01 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 3
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   Zrk2 (4) - Ottofar, Azure Sepulchre, TolyK, mukluk
//  |   mukluk (1) - Zrk2
//  |   Not Voting (0)
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 3
//  |   2 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   In around 5.5 Hours from now.
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: mukluk on January 27, 2011, 06:35:33 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 27, 2011, 04:34:55 pm

Ok, I unvoted Ottofar because, as you said, he was not cracking. This suggests to me that he is a townie because he isn't hiding anything, at least that is obvious. You should not lynch me because I am trying to find a scum as hard as I can.

Mukluk, don't just say that 'you're here,' scumhunt. We are in lylo, and you just say 'yeah, I'm here' and don't try to find the scum? What the hell? That is a massive scumtell to me.

Not really Zrk2.  From what you have said, you have given me enough info.  We found the scum and it is you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Zrk2 on January 27, 2011, 09:44:08 pm

You running on army intelligence?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 27, 2011, 09:45:55 pm

//  /*--------------------------------------------------------*\
//  |   Beginner's Mafia XIX Whiteboard - Day 3
//  |*--------------------------------------------------------*|
//  |   
//  |   Zrk2 (4) - Ottofar, Azure Sepulchre, TolyK, mukluk
//  |   mukluk (1) - Zrk2
//  |   Not Voting (0)
//  |   
//  |   No extension/shorten requests
//  |   Two more extensions remaining for Day 3
//  |   2 players required to extend/shorten
//  |   
//  |   Day Ends: Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:00 PM EST
//  |   in 15 minutes
//  |   
//  \*--------------------------------------------------------*/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 3 Boils Over
Post by: Argembarger on January 27, 2011, 10:43:29 pm

Twas the end of the day
and it had been decided
that Zrk2 would die
Through victory provided

from the life of the Zrk
the Master would lurk
happily stating
of dead traitors waiting

so long was the cult
after killing the man
it didn't take long for
them to understand

that they had chose poorly
and Toaster was surly
and livid with rage
was this cultist sage

it was all over
the death knell'd been struck
the traitors revealed
Azure and mukluk

like lightning unbottled
Sepulchre throttled
Ottofar's throat
plus TolyK got his goat

The Owl made his move and
with Toaster distracted
knew he couldn't breathe
with his ribcage compacted

In a moment t'was done
and all had their fun
the Master's hopes gone
like dew after dawn.

Zrk2 has been lynched! He was a Normal Cultist
Ottofar has been killed! He was a Normal Cultist
TolyK has been killed! He was a Normal Cultist
Toaster has been killed! He was the Cult IC

The Master has been destroyed!
He was the Nezperdian hive-mind of chaos. Zalgo.
He who Waits Behind The Wall.

Azure Sepulchre has won! He was a Paladin!
Mukluk has won! He was a Paladin!
IronyOwl has won! He was a Paladin IC!

The World has been saved!

The deadchat is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/hETKNwwTyt4
The scumchat is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/VSGRXHZdJhbV


I hope you all had fun!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2011, 10:55:36 pm

God, I would have so lynched TolyK at the end... pff.  I wish I weren't so shocked =/

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2011, 11:07:54 pm

I sent Arg a PM with almost the exact same words.

Anyway, I think I need to hang up my IC hat for a bit- I may be pointing people in the right direction, but I don't think I'm doing enough.  I hope I helped some of you, though.  Any post-game questions?


(Psst- don't tell anyone, but I just have one town win under my belt.  I'm actually pretty bad at it.)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 27, 2011, 11:29:45 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 27, 2011, 10:55:36 pm

God, I would have so lynched TolyK at the end... pff.  I wish I weren't so shocked =/

oh snap vector was spectating the beginner's mafia

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2011, 11:32:42 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on January 27, 2011, 11:29:45 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 27, 2011, 10:55:36 pm

God, I would have so lynched TolyK at the end... pff.  I wish I weren't so shocked =/

oh snap vector was spectating the beginner's mafia

... What the hell, why is everyone reacting like this?  :I

Anyway, I wasn't really spectating.  I saw it was lylo, popped in, saw TolyK's posts, and went... "SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM"

Because seriously, he was so scummy that it looked like actual strategy >_> <_<

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: The Captain on January 28, 2011, 02:45:33 am

please note that I had Azure pegged by the end of day 1

:I

NOT THAT IT MATTERED

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 02:52:13 am

SO EVERYONE

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zathras on January 28, 2011, 04:17:12 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 02:52:13 am

SO EVERYONE

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED

I hope everyone learned not to lurk: Lurking Kills Games!

But it was fun, and the flavour was great, Arg! I am relieved to see Zalgo's coming at least slightly delayed.


The first dozen or so comments on the scumchat are very insightful, and perhaps should be added to the Dakarian Guide for every newbie to read. Should be required reading for all BM games. Copied here for posterity:

Quote from: IronyOwl, Scum IC on Hero Chat

Scumtells are things that someone does or says that imply that they're scum. Usually the reasoning is that it's bad or not productive for townies to do it, so it can be hard to distinguish signs of being scum from signs of being a noob. This is one of the reasons scum almost always win beginner's mafia games.

Note that scumtells are very very subjective; there's no simple way to distinguish a scumtell from a noobtell from being justified and/or lazy. Whether a justified, non-scummy version of a scumtell should still be called by its normal name varies from person to person. (Someone might describe their voting of someone who voted them as "not an OMGUS," other would say it's "a justified OMGUS" for instance)

In any case, common scumtells include:

Bandwagoning: Voting for whoever has the most votes or seems most likely to be lynched, despite having poor/no reasons or not wanting them lynched previously. It implies that you don't care who gets lynched, you just want someone gone, which is generally the case for scum.

OMGUSing: Short for Oh My God You Suck, by the way. Voting or otherwise applying pressure to whoever's voting you. It implies that you're really concerned about being pressured/lynched and want them to stop, which is more a scum thing. A townie would, in theory, be more open to the notion that their fellow townie is attempting to scumhunt at them, and less concerned about being found out.

Defending/Chainsawing: Defending just means what it sounds like: saying things to defend another player's actions or words. Chainsawing or chainsaw defending means attacking someone who's attacking another player in an attempt to get them to stop. The idea in both instances is that townies don't know if their fellow players are innocent or not, and hence have no real reason to defend them from legitimate persecution. Scum, on the other hand, know they're on a team and so are prone to not wanting their buddies found out or pressured.

Lurking: Not posting. Especially suspicious in the case of Active Lurking, which is trying to look active while not actually doing anything (posting frequently but with no substance, for instance). The idea in either case is that townies actually care about finding scum, and so should be doing things. Scum don't care, they just want some random guy lynched so they can kill someone at night.

Appearing Too Townie: There's no official name for this one, but being too concerned about your image; specifically avoiding things that might be seen as scumtells. The idea is that scum are very concerned about being found out, and so want to act nonscummy. Townies know they're not scum, so they're less concerned about LOOKING nonscummy and more concerned about finding scum.

[Added by Argembarger]
Also, never ever resign yourself to being lynched.
Don't say something like "there's no way for me to avoid being lynched so I won't bother trying"
Don't blackmail the town like "You can lynch me, but you'll be sorry when you see I was town all along!"
Don't ever, ever, ever vote yourself for any reason.

That is great stuff.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 05:47:15 am

I goddamn knew Azure was Scum! Grrr!
 
Also my guts feeling is crap.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Day 2: The Captain, KIA. Situation: FUBAR?
Post by: Ottofar on January 28, 2011, 06:41:17 am

Quote from: Ottofar

Also, I'll laugh if Azure and Mukluk are the scum.

4 votes on a person should've said something.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Tyberix on January 28, 2011, 06:42:36 am

Ok,few things i need to remember:
-Ask more questions and be more active ;p
-Come up with more precise questions,ones i asked wouldn't bring even
 minor info :(

Hmm no doc ? Well it wouldn't change much probably. Darvi really got me off the track from the beginning.
Only thing i could accuse mukluk of would be lurking,i couldn't get any info from his scarce responds,so i probably wouldn't vote him unless i have no other trails :) (Next time all lurkers must die ;p) As for Azure only thing that seemed suspicious was not interfering with zrk2 and ottofar argue and post to throw a vote stance and D1 he was only one under captain questioning,(that's hardly scummy i think) so .. Well played Azure & mukluk :)

At least i guessed right that they were paladins ;p

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: vadia on January 28, 2011, 08:13:09 am

undirected questions do get left by the wayside.

From my two games I learned that while total silence is a way to get lynched chatting a billion miles an hour at every thought that enters my mind is a way to get called scum -- whether it's true or not.

Finally I can't play it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 08:32:04 am

maybe for you :P

Perhaps it's not just that you're talking

Perhaps it's what you're saying.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: vadia on January 28, 2011, 08:36:39 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 08:32:04 am

maybe for you :P

Perhaps it's not just that you're talking

Perhaps it's what you're saying.

the every thopught part; but it also makes Jim G look much more guilty -- though people think he plays well.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: TolyK on January 28, 2011, 09:42:31 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 02:52:13 am

SO EVERYONE

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED

Well logic doesn't work on lurkers  :-\
I though azure was scum but not mukluk.

Nice move "proving" that I was townie, really got me off track. Good job.

*****
I'm for the next round. Please some sort of technology in there PLEASE!

reading the dead- and scum-chats.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 10:02:42 am

Quote from: vadia on January 28, 2011, 08:36:39 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 08:32:04 am

maybe for you :P

Perhaps it's not just that you're talking

Perhaps it's what you're saying.

the every thopught part; but it also makes Jim G look much more guilty -- though people think he plays well.

Jim DOES play well, haha.

Quote from: TolyK on January 28, 2011, 09:42:31 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 02:52:13 am

SO EVERYONE

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED

Well logic doesn't work on lurkers  :-\
I though azure was scum but not mukluk.

Nice move "proving" that I was townie, really got me off track. Good job.

*****
I'm for the next round. Please some sort of technology in there PLEASE!

reading the dead- and scum-chats.

Technology? What, like, items?

Beginner's Mafia is pretty much traditionally a near-Mountainous game. I can't just go adding stuff to the formula willy-nilly!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 10:05:45 am

I think he might have meant some sort of Sci-fi setting.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 10:06:43 am

That would be much more likely to be a thing that happens.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: TolyK on January 28, 2011, 10:31:59 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 10:02:42 am

Quote from: TolyK on January 28, 2011, 09:42:31 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 02:52:13 am

I'm for the next round. Please some sort of technology in there PLEASE!

Technology? What, like, items?
Beginner's Mafia is pretty much traditionally a near-Mountainous game. I can't just go adding stuff to the formula willy-nilly!

Quote from: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 10:05:45 am

I think he might have meant some sort of Sci-fi setting.

Exactly.

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 10:06:43 am

That would be much more likely to be a thing that happens.

Nice! That would be great.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 28, 2011, 10:51:24 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 02:52:13 am

SO EVERYONE

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED

I'm a crappy townie? I need to work on my opening?

What should I work on next time?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 11:00:04 am

I thought your opening was fine. You were asking questions and such, and forming suspicions. I didn't see a problem.


This game just suffered from everyone looking for the wrong kinds of evidence.

Also: passive, quiet lynching.

QUIET BANDWAGON LYNCHES ARE SCUM-FRIENDLY LYNCHES

Also, moar extensions. Extensions are almost always helpful to town.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: vadia on January 28, 2011, 11:09:16 am

zrk2 don't ask for role reveals so early.  Even to discuss.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 11:10:04 am

oh right the rolefishing. I forgot about the rolefishing.

Yeah that's typically a strong scumtell.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: vadia on January 28, 2011, 11:13:03 am

town only needs to know the cop (of these selections) and only after the first night (when the cop has had a chance to check) and then only [probably] after the cop found a scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 11:21:16 am

To be perfectly frank with you all,

Day 2 was kind of a joke

:I

That Bandwagon-ShortenTheDay-Don'tQuestionIt stuff shouldn't have been allowed to happen.

Scum was laughin' all the way to the bank


EDIT: This isn't to say it wasn't justified, however.

Darvi, I'm sorry, but that was incredibly self-defeating play. You overreacted to a single vote against you and went all gloom-and-doom. How did you expect everyone to respond, exactly?

Town might have actually had a better shot if they had gone and mislynched Zrk2 on day 2 like they wanted to originally.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2011, 11:30:27 am

To put it another way:

Any attempt to stifle discussion is very anti-town.  It's not always scummy to shorten, especially if people have stopped talking, but doing so early in the day after several people vote one way (without something like a cop claim) is very scummy.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 11:41:56 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 11:21:16 am

Darvi, I'm sorry, but that was incredibly self-defeating play. You overreacted to a single vote against you and went all gloom-and-doom.

Eh, it' because I know people. All it takes is a vocal minority and then everybody's jumping on the bandwagon. Also I had very little to defend myself with. Also I have a slightly spiteful mentality that prefers that people go "Oh my god what have I done!" instead of proactively convincing them they're wrong. Which I'm also very bad at.

Quote

How did you expect everyone to respond, exactly?

Exactly how they did.
Seriously, one moment I'm discussing with Tolyk whether or not Zrk2 or Ottofar were scum (and really, their rolefishing and cryptic responses weren't helpful), and the next, everybody else accuses me. People generally dislike changing their minds because that implies that they're wrong, and they'd rather defend their choice as much as they can until it's too late.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: vadia on January 28, 2011, 11:44:56 am

Darvi, if you must give up or require sarcasm or whatnot, you may wish to consider a different game.  (Though you may wish to improve on that attribute)

An important thing I learned from squirtle in Sorcerer is that if you aren't fairly sure you can't post twice a day with reasonably good posts (instead of "I'm here") you shouldn't play -- it's not fair to your team.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 11:46:53 am

I never was really sarcastic. Except for that one time when Zrk2 called me out on it. To be exact, my response to him (falsely) calling me out on it.

But yeah, I should stop being so antisocial >_>

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 11:54:20 am

That's a pretty cynical viewpoint for Mafia, and Mafia shouldn't be taken as standard social interaction

Quote from: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 11:41:56 am

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 11:21:16 am

Darvi, I'm sorry, but that was incredibly self-defeating play. You overreacted to a single vote against you and went all gloom-and-doom.

Eh, it' because I know people. All it takes is a vocal minority and then everybody's jumping on the bandwagon.

If that was true, scum would never lose

Quote from: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 11:41:56 am

Quote

How did you expect everyone to respond, exactly?

Exactly how they did.
Seriously, one moment I'm discussing with Tolyk whether or not Zrk2 or Ottofar were scum (and really, their rolefishing and cryptic responses weren't helpful), and the next, everybody else accuses me. People generally dislike changing their minds because that implies that they're wrong, and they'd rather defend their choice as much as they can until it's too late.

It was a self-fulfilling expectation; your cynicism led to their accusations. They didn't vote you based on what one dude - Azure, scum no less - said, from what I can see, they voted you based solely on your reaction to Azure

I'm not trying to be a jerk by picking on you here, but it was probably the most obvious problem I saw, and it'll help you improve yourself if you like Mafia and wish to continue playing (please do! More players = awesome)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 11:59:07 am

On the other hand, I've only been playing Mafia since late-November.

Perhaps you should seek advice from the wiser, more experienced players.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 11:59:13 am

Actually my first post after that was a genuine, if weak, attempt not to get lynched. Everything after that was genuine cynism though. I really need to cut down on that.

Does anyone know how how to reallocate skillpoints?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 28, 2011, 12:03:42 pm

Eeh... I wasn't really feeling this game. Usually, I'm delighted to be maffers. I'd spend ages staring at townie posts, trying to twist them together into something I can take advantage of. In this? I lurked; offered lazy, flimsy FoS's; gave pithy responses to attacks and was FoS'd by everyone in the end...

...why wasn't I dead by the end of day 1? I don't even get it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Azure Sepulchre on January 28, 2011, 12:05:56 pm

Also, cool poem brah. :D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: TolyK on January 28, 2011, 12:11:49 pm

well great parry by showing I was town... I genuinely thought you were out of the question.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 12:23:35 pm

Quote from: Azure Sepulchre on January 28, 2011, 12:05:56 pm

Also, cool poem brah. :D

It's pretty bad actually, I kind of just whipped it together last moment :-X

Quote from: TolyK on January 28, 2011, 12:11:49 pm

well great parry by showing I was town... I genuinely thought you were out of the question.

Yep, never have sympathy for someone just because they agree with you or say that you are town.

It's a form of buddying

which is actually a scumtell :P

And even if it's not buddying, the maffers KNOW that you're town so it's especially easy for them to find reasons why.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: mukluk on January 28, 2011, 02:45:00 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 02:52:13 am

SO EVERYONE

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED

Wow, it was my first time and learning the game and being mafia at the time was a challenge.  I was fortunate I had Azure as my partner and I thought he was the star of the game and I was in along for the ride.  I thought IronyOwl, Toaster, and Argembarger were great teachers and I learned a lot.  I'm glad you had a good laugh Ottofar and thanks for the compliment Tyberix cause you had me worried from the beginning.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 28, 2011, 03:02:50 pm

Well, I'll probably set up BM XX in a few days or something.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 28, 2011, 04:58:24 pm

No! Wait! I'm in two games, but don't want to miss out on a BM, because I need more training.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 05:23:25 pm

Doesn't mean you can't do both. Or all three of them, in your case. Training never hurt anybody. Unless it did. Then it hurt them.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: IronyOwl on January 28, 2011, 06:04:51 pm

Quote from: Zathras on January 28, 2011, 04:17:12 am

The first dozen or so comments on the scumchat are very insightful, and perhaps should be added to the Dakarian Guide for every newbie to read. Should be required reading for all BM games. Copied here for posterity:

[Stuff]

That is great stuff.

Hehehe, thanks.

Quote from: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 11:59:13 am

Actually my first post after that was a genuine, if weak, attempt not to get lynched. Everything after that was genuine cynism though. I really need to cut down on that.

Does anyone know how how to reallocate skillpoints?

I tend to find taking responsibility for the situation helps, because it allows you to ignore the fact that everyone else is mucking around or screwing up. If you think to yourself "It's town's job to win," it's easy to go "Man, town screwed up, this sucks" when they lynch you (or make any mistake, really). If you think "It's my job to win," it doesn't really matter what everyone else is doing- it's still your job to work with/around it and win.

"They'll be sorry after the fact" is really pretty poisonous to getting anything done.

Quote from: Darvi on January 28, 2011, 05:23:25 pm

Doesn't mean you can't do both. Or all three of them, in your case. Training never hurt anybody. Unless it did. Then it hurt them.

Oh god no. Mafia is not one of those games that you can do a lot of games at once; it's really easy to get bogged down, confused, or just blurred due to conflicting actions, statements, and so on. Even if you don't get outright confused, having the same person in both games or trying to keep track of two trains of developments can wreak havoc on your instinct.

BM games are certainly more lightweight than others, though, so it's a bit better than three normal games.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2011, 06:09:50 pm

... I used to be in 8 games at a time and winning all of them, you know >_>

It is possible.  I don't recommend it for beginners.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 28, 2011, 06:42:20 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 28, 2011, 06:09:50 pm

... I used to be in 8 games at a time and winning all of them, you know >_>

It is possible.  I don't recommend it for beginners.

Well, you're Vector...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: TolyK on January 29, 2011, 04:49:05 am

while we're all scalars  ;D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2011, 07:20:00 pm

Would that make dakarian a matrix?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2011, 08:48:55 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 28, 2011, 06:09:50 pm

... I used to be in 8 games at a time and winning all of them, you know >_>

It is possible.  I don't recommend it for beginners.

Eh, last time you were scum I found you pretty easily...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2011, 09:00:39 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on January 29, 2011, 08:48:55 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 28, 2011, 06:09:50 pm

... I used to be in 8 games at a time and winning all of them, you know >_>

It is possible.  I don't recommend it for beginners.

Eh, last time you were scum I found you pretty easily...

What, in BYOT?  I'm not saying I'm a good player.  It's been nearly a year since my last completed game, after all.  But I cannot deny the way I used to play.

I don't play as much anymore because I became too aware of my own foibles =/  In the end, there is no way to completely hide yourself... I try one tactic, and I know how I would catch myself.  I try another, and find the same thing.  When I first started, I could easily say "No, we both know I am not scum because that is poor reasoning," but nowadays I am far too aware of the signs to say any such thing.

*sigh*

Yes, I know I play Mafia terribly nowadays.  I am very sorry for it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 29, 2011, 11:30:39 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 29, 2011, 09:00:39 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on January 29, 2011, 08:48:55 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 28, 2011, 06:09:50 pm

... I used to be in 8 games at a time and winning all of them, you know >_>

It is possible.  I don't recommend it for beginners.

Eh, last time you were scum I found you pretty easily...

What, in BYOT?  I'm not saying I'm a good player.  It's been nearly a year since my last completed game, after all.  But I cannot deny the way I used to play.

I don't play as much anymore because I became too aware of my own foibles =/  In the end, there is no way to completely hide yourself... I try one tactic, and I know how I would catch myself.  I try another, and find the same thing.  When I first started, I could easily say "No, we both know I am not scum because that is poor reasoning," but nowadays I am far too aware of the signs to say any such thing.

*sigh*

Yes, I know I play Mafia terribly nowadays.  I am very sorry for it.

So, you're too self aware for mafia? You should try and use that to your advantage.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2011, 03:30:08 am

It's a recent enough change that I'm reaping all of the negatives and none of the benefits, but we'll see how it goes.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Leafsnail on January 30, 2011, 11:14:50 am

Quote from: Vector on January 29, 2011, 09:00:39 pm

What, in BYOT?  I'm not saying I'm a good player.  It's been nearly a year since my last completed game, after all.  But I cannot deny the way I used to play.

Actually, I was thinking about the most recent incompleted DOGM.

Quote from: Vector on January 29, 2011, 09:00:39 pm

I don't play as much anymore because I became too aware of my own foibles =/  In the end, there is no way to completely hide yourself... I try one tactic, and I know how I would catch myself.  I try another, and find the same thing.  When I first started, I could easily say "No, we both know I am not scum because that is poor reasoning," but nowadays I am far too aware of the signs to say any such thing.

It's odd, because this overthinking is usually how you catch mafia members.  My tactic is to not overthink things as mafia (until you get to role related stuff, ya can't think about that too much...).

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 30, 2011, 11:34:57 am

WWYDT doesn't appear to be starting, is anyone thinking of starting BM XX or another game?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 30, 2011, 01:55:05 pm

He said he was going to start on wednesday

And yeah, I'll be hosting BM XX

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2011, 02:50:22 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on January 30, 2011, 11:14:50 am

Quote from: Vector on January 29, 2011, 09:00:39 pm

What, in BYOT?  I'm not saying I'm a good player.  It's been nearly a year since my last completed game, after all.  But I cannot deny the way I used to play.

Actually, I was thinking about the most recent incompleted DOGM.

Ahh, well.  My problem on that one was that I'd already intuited much of the game structure without having been given any additional information, and had no idea what to do after that.

You're right, I did certainly suck that game.


I never intend to overthink, I just kind of... do.  Stupid problematic personality traits  :-\

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: TolyK on January 30, 2011, 02:55:32 pm

I always overthink in mafia and almost never regret it. Well here I gave in to Azure's "you're town" tactic...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2011, 02:56:38 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 30, 2011, 02:55:32 pm

I always overthink in mafia and almost never regret it. Well here I gave in to Azure's "you're town" tactic...

Your problem is that you let your overthinking show in your posts, and then you look scummy as hell.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: TolyK on January 30, 2011, 02:59:09 pm

thank you for the advice.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 30, 2011, 03:40:45 pm

Quote from: Vector on January 30, 2011, 02:56:38 pm

Quote from: TolyK on January 30, 2011, 02:55:32 pm

I always overthink in mafia and almost never regret it. Well here I gave in to Azure's "you're town" tactic...

Your problem is that you let your overthinking show in your posts, and then you look scummy as hell.

But shouldn't townies do that too?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2011, 03:42:29 pm

... Let it show?

No one should let it show.  They should just go for it, without showing all the little unnecessary thoughts that make them look like they're waffling or somesuch.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 30, 2011, 03:51:38 pm

Oh, and what is that in oyur avatar now? I was similar to perogies, now it's pancakes?!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 30, 2011, 05:02:30 pm

Quote from: Dak's scumhunting bible

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2011, 06:32:53 pm

Quote from: Zrk2 on January 30, 2011, 03:51:38 pm

Oh, and what is that in oyur avatar now? I was similar to perogies, now it's pancakes?!

It's injera, a kind of fermented Ethiopian bread =)

Before, it was indeed perogies--but you'd call it "vareniki" (written "varenyky" in Poland), from the Ukrainian.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Argembarger on January 30, 2011, 06:56:12 pm

Hmm, I have an Ethiopian restaurant near my house, I ought to go try it out.


Anyone else have any questions/concerns related to this game or mafia in general?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XIX - Game Over, World Rescued!
Post by: Zrk2 on January 30, 2011, 07:51:31 pm

No, mostly just about Vectors current avatar.