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Title: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: ed boy on January 22, 2011, 05:55:44 am
A friend of mine has never watched the star wars movies (any of them), and I am planning to rectify this. However, the question arises of which trilogy to watch first. Any advice from the denizens of bay12?
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 22, 2011, 06:17:46 am
Huh? There's more than one trilogy?
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 06:59:25 am
Yeah, it always confused me that there's a 4, 5, and a 6, but no 1, 2, or a 3.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Supercharazad on January 22, 2011, 07:12:44 am
Watch 456, then 123.

Trust me, it's better that way.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Fossaman on January 22, 2011, 07:31:31 am
Definitely show them 4, 5, and 6 first. If they want to watch more star wars after that, point them at the new trilogy with a disclaimer.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Mindmaker on January 22, 2011, 07:45:33 am
4, 5, 6, if they really don't know much about Star Wars.

If they already know about the plot twists, start with with 1, 2, 3.

I think I watched them a year ago, with a bunch of people from a Star Wars forum.
That was fun, commenting on everything that happened.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 22, 2011, 07:55:00 am
My honest advice is to watch 456 first, then go for 123, then top it up with RedLetterMedia's (http://www.youtube.com/user/RedLetterMedia) reviews of the latter.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: ChairmanPoo on January 22, 2011, 08:04:56 am
Watch the one with the time travelling space whales first.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on January 22, 2011, 08:22:52 am
It's been said, but 456 then 123
Then watch the Family Guy ones.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Tellemurius on January 22, 2011, 10:25:28 am
and the robot chicken episodes, BOBA IS BACK BITCHES
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Sordid on January 22, 2011, 10:32:13 am
Start with 4, 5, and 6, and then end it there, never even mentioning the other three. They do not exist.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Darvi on January 22, 2011, 10:45:06 am
New plan: Watch 4 to 6, then read this. (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0001.html)
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on January 22, 2011, 11:46:38 am
Watch IV-VI. Then, if you really want to see more Star Wars, watch The Phantom Edit, and Attack of the Phantom. (http://www.youtube.com/user/StarWarsEdits) There is no redit of Episode III. Yet.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: ILikePie on January 22, 2011, 12:39:03 pm
Do something that's never been done before: watch them backwards, 6,5,4,3,2, and 1.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Hugehead on January 22, 2011, 12:56:32 pm
New plan: Watch 4 to 6, then read this. (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0001.html)
Do this.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: IronyOwl on January 23, 2011, 12:24:32 am
New plan: Watch 4 to 6, then read this. (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0001.html)
Oh no. I think I'm going to lose a lot of time on these.

...

No need to think, I got distracted reading them before managing to hit the post button.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Neonivek on January 23, 2011, 12:45:21 am
Id suggest 1, 2, and 3 first... but the problem is that the technology difference and action difference may be enough to convince him that 4, 5, and 6 are bad movies.

You pretty much have to show the person 4, 5, and 6 first because it is the best way to showcase them to someone who isn't a film buff.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Falc on January 23, 2011, 04:56:16 pm
Roll a d6, watch movie. Rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Omegastick on January 23, 2011, 05:05:26 pm
*rolls dice* 3... Oh dear. *Watches movie before rolling another dice* 3 again, hmm. *Watches movie again and rolls dice* 3... OH C'MON!
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Darvi on January 23, 2011, 05:09:30 pm
*rolls dice* 3... Oh dear. *Watches movie before rolling another dice* 3 again, hmm. *Watches movie again and rolls dice* 3... OH C'MON!
Did the same thing. Rolled a natural 1 after another. Eff those dice.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Falc on January 24, 2011, 10:25:55 am
Use the Force, guys! Make those dice land the way you want them  ;D
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 24, 2011, 10:32:11 am
Use the Force, guys! Make those dice land the way you want them  ;D
This requires having rolled 1 at least once, and this is far more times than necessary.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Tellemurius on January 24, 2011, 01:43:59 pm
Use the Force, guys! Make those dice land the way you want them  ;D
hey, don't be a Qui-gon Ginn
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: nenjin on January 24, 2011, 04:22:07 pm
4, 5, 6 to start. Other than the massive technology and cinematography gap....do you really want to make their first experience with the Star Wars universe include Jar-Jar? Do you? Because that would just a be a dick move.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Darvi on January 24, 2011, 04:32:25 pm
Jar jar was ok. He's a genius (seriously, google that). Midi-chlorians, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Lear on January 24, 2011, 09:32:08 pm
My honest advice is to watch 456 first, then go for 123, then top it up with RedLetterMedia's (http://www.youtube.com/user/RedLetterMedia) reviews of the latter.
This.
New plan: Watch 4 to 6, then read this. (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0001.html)
This.
Start with 4, 5, and 6, and then end it there, never even mentioning the other three. They do not exist.
Or simply, this.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Hiiri on January 25, 2011, 02:20:18 am
Could someone explain to me what makes the original movies so great? Am I going to get skinned for thinking that they were just over-hyped, childish action flicks?
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Neonivek on January 25, 2011, 02:23:56 am
Could someone explain to me what makes the original movies so great? Am I going to get skinned for thinking that they were just over-hyped, childish action flicks?

For the most part your right, they are fueled by Nostalgia.

Basically for the time they were amazing movies with graphics so futuristic that it makes Avatar look like it was coded in a gameboy by comparison.

The story is a bit standard, the themes good, the acting horrible, the action quite bad, the atmosphere great, good imagination.

In my oppinion they are alright movies but people kinda hyped them up to insane levels. I am also ENTIRELY willing to say that I am likely Chronologically biased.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 25, 2011, 02:30:36 am
 They were nothing groundbreaking, but they didn't do anything terribly wrong. It's an ideal Sci-fi blockbuster movie.

 Not to mention the ship models look 1000x better than the CG ships.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Sordid on January 25, 2011, 02:37:05 am
Could someone explain to me what makes the original movies so great? Am I going to get skinned for thinking that they were just over-hyped, childish action flicks?

It's not so much that they were great in every respect, it's more the contrast between the fairly okay original trilogy and the utterly horrible prequels. I can't explain why the OT was good, simply because I'm not a movie expert. Mr. Plinkett, however, can explain at length why the prequels are so bad: http://www.redlettermedia.com/phantom_menace.html He does bring up quite a lot of good points about the OT in the process, too.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Little on January 25, 2011, 03:01:17 am
Start with 4, 5, and 6, and then end it there, never even mentioning the other three. They do not exist.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: IronyOwl on January 25, 2011, 03:20:55 am
Could someone explain to me what makes the original movies so great? Am I going to get skinned for thinking that they were just over-hyped, childish action flicks?
*breaks out the flensing knife*

Really though, it's complicated. Part of it's certainly nostalgia, and cultural inertia or whatever you'd like to call it. Part of it's also that is was good/innovative for its time, which is hard to appreciate now. Everyone knows what a lightsaber is nowadays, so it's hard to be particularly impressed by the fact that they exist. Same with alien-filled cantinas, space armadas, evil empires, talking robots, space wizards, and just about everything else you could possibly like about the movies.

So nowadays, that's not a terrible assertion- there's not a whole lot that hasn't been done better or on par but prettier elsewhere. But, to some extent that's a testament to how good they were, yes?
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Neonivek on January 25, 2011, 03:46:26 am
What Ironyowl is trying to say is... Starwars is cliche because it is what created the cliches that lived on since then because of the success of starwars. It is what started it all.

It is like the Old Hitchcock shows. They are ok now but that is because we copies his psychological techniques so much. At the time there was little to no one who had done what he has done quite as well.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Sordid on January 25, 2011, 03:56:38 am
It's not just that, though. It's the way the story is constructed to make sense and the way the films are shot. Plinkett talks about his reviews about how the prequels are shot in a very boring and static way with the blocking of a soap opera. In dialogs it's shot, reverse shot, repeat a few times, then to spice it up a character walks a few paces to a window and turns around. He compares the openings of Ep 1 and Ep 4. See, Ep 4 starts off with that awesome shot of the tiny rebel ship running away from the huge imperial ship. That shot tells you everything you need to know just from the visuals, without a single word of awkward and boring political dialog.
And then you have the gapig plot holes in the prequels that simply don't exist in the OT. The OT makes sense, the characters act logically. Like, why exactly did Qui Gon take a six year old along for the assault on the Naboo palace? And that's not even getting into the horrible, horrible Ep 2 romance.
Seriously, watch Plinkett's reviews.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 25, 2011, 04:04:30 am
Seriously, watch Plinkett's reviews.
Plinkett and his reviews is the only thing of value that came from shooting the prequels.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: ein on January 25, 2011, 04:48:41 am
Seriously, watch Plinkett's reviews.
Plinkett and his reviews is the only thing of value that came from shooting the prequels.

Spoiler: I disagree. (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Neonivek on January 25, 2011, 12:03:15 pm
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And then you have the gapig plot holes in the prequels that simply don't exist in the OT

No, the original Starwars had its share of plotholes.

Some patched up in expanded universe but otherwise no.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Sordid on January 25, 2011, 01:02:40 pm
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And then you have the gapig plot holes in the prequels that simply don't exist in the OT

No, the original Starwars had its share of plotholes.

Some patched up in expanded universe but otherwise no.

Well okay, there were some. But none quite as gaping as the prequel trilogy ones. I even hesitate to call them plot holes, the whole thing makes so little sense I'm not even sure what's intentional and what's a hole.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Sergius on January 25, 2011, 01:37:37 pm
I'd say, watch 5. Watch 6 if you want closure, but with a warning about cuddly teddy bears. The same applies to 1-3, except there's nothing to be gained watching them, other than see things go pew pew and losing every bit of respect you may have towards Darth Vader, and wanna good laugh with Cuisinart Yoda.

I wouldn't watch 4. I mean that Han Solo guy is a pussy, with the not shooting first thing. I mean, what a gasbag. If you do, skip right to the part with them in the Death Star.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Hiiri on January 25, 2011, 03:53:48 pm
Part of it's also that is was good/innovative for its time, which is hard to appreciate now. Everyone knows what a lightsaber is nowadays, so it's hard to be particularly impressed by the fact that they exist. Same with alien-filled cantinas, space armadas, evil empires, talking robots, space wizards, and just about everything else you could possibly like about the movies.

So nowadays, that's not a terrible assertion- there's not a whole lot that hasn't been done better or on par but prettier elsewhere. But, to some extent that's a testament to how good they were, yes?

Ah yes, that must be it. For the people born in the 80's the world was already filled with movies that did this. (And half of the aliens were trying to destroy humankind, if it wasn't for the President of the United States of America to stop them!!!) :P

It is like the Old Hitchcock shows. They are ok now but that is because we copies his psychological techniques so much. At the time there was little to no one who had done what he has done quite as well.

I think Hitchcock movies are still great and thrilling compared to most horror/thriller movies today. And that, I believe, is because they replaced the thrill with blood and gore. Showing everything in detail is not really the best way to go...
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Aklyon on January 25, 2011, 08:57:36 pm
New plan: Watch 4 to 6, then read this. (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0001.html)
I second this.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Argembarger on January 26, 2011, 01:50:35 pm
Jar Jar is a cool guy.

Eh was responsible for the rise of the Empire and doesn't afraid of anything.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Assassinfox on January 27, 2011, 12:38:57 am
My constant assertion has been to go with: 4, 1, 5, 2, 3, 6.

But everyone else thinks that's just madness.

Watch the original trilogy first.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Neonivek on January 27, 2011, 12:52:47 am
Dang it if your going to keep bringing up the rejects then I am going to have to force you to watch... EVER SINGLE MOVIE FROM THE GOLDEN AGE OF HOLLYWOOD!!!

Trust me... While that period of time saw some of the best movies... a lot of them were "roll around on the floor in pain" terrible.

There are good movies left in the world. I am not aware of a great movie that was released recently (Maybe Shrek), but they exist somewhere...
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: IronyOwl on January 27, 2011, 03:03:14 am
Oh, another reason to like the original trilogy: 2:15-2:21, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_JyoK8RVPE) one of the most representative hero-villain exchanges ever.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Sordid on January 27, 2011, 03:11:35 am
Link's nae workin'.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Retro on January 27, 2011, 03:30:00 pm
I don't know why you'd actually considering showing your friend the prequel trilogy first (or hell, at all) if you want them to actually like Star Wars.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: IronyOwl on January 27, 2011, 04:33:28 pm
Link's nae workin'.
This is somehow the second time that's happened, and I have no idea how.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Mindmaker on January 27, 2011, 04:37:16 pm
Death Star canteen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw)
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: subject name here on January 29, 2011, 02:45:40 am
123 then 456: start him/her at the bottom of the hill, if s/he is worthy (and still your friend) then s/he may watch the original trilogy. you may also be interested in showing them those crappy star wars games that aren't jedi knight/dark forces, knights of the old republic, battlefront, or lego star wars (did i miss any?).


edit: oh yeah and you can't forget the christmas special
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 29, 2011, 03:48:11 am
edit: oh yeah and you can't forget the christmas special
You mean the wookie family affair? Because if yes, then I feel sympathy for you. It's one of those things that cannot be unseen.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Neonivek on January 29, 2011, 03:58:33 am
edit: oh yeah and you can't forget the christmas special
You mean the wookie family affair? Because if yes, then I feel sympathy for you. It's one of those things that cannot be unseen.

It is soooooooo boring. The problem is that it is also SOOO annoying that you can't even use it to put you to sleep like other movies.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Mindmaker on January 29, 2011, 04:00:31 am
edit: oh yeah and you can't forget the christmas special
You mean the wookie family affair? Because if yes, then I feel sympathy for you. It's one of those things that cannot be unseen.
It is soooooooo boring. The problem is that it is also SOOO annoying that you can't even use it to put you to sleep like other movies.
I've watched the youtube version. Truly unique.
Is there one with subtitles? Because I'd like to know what the fuck is going on.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Neonivek on January 29, 2011, 04:05:24 am
edit: oh yeah and you can't forget the christmas special
You mean the wookie family affair? Because if yes, then I feel sympathy for you. It's one of those things that cannot be unseen.
It is soooooooo boring. The problem is that it is also SOOO annoying that you can't even use it to put you to sleep like other movies.
I've watched the youtube version. Truly unique.
Is there one with subtitles? Because I'd like to know what the fuck is going on.

Not any with REAL subtitles.
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Neyvn on January 29, 2011, 04:10:05 am
Also point out that R2D2 is the most powerful Jedi in the known universe...

http://www.direman.com/direman/comic.php?comicID=498
http://www.direman.com/direman/comic.php?comicID=629
Title: Re: Watching the star wars movies
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on February 03, 2011, 05:11:50 pm
A friend of mine has never watched the star wars movies (any of them), and I am planning to rectify this. However, the question arises of which trilogy to watch first. Any advice from the denizens of bay12?


4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3. Thanks to retarded renumbering.