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Other Projects => Curses => Topic started by: Angel Of Death on April 15, 2011, 09:50:29 am
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As we all know, healthcare is of the Liberal elite!
Here's what the healthcare laws could be.
L+ Medication and surgery are government funded and completely free The university hospital is free.
L Medication and surgery cost a small amount. The rest is paid by the government The university hospital requires a small fee.
M A fee must be paid to recieve medication or surgery. Those who are the lower class have much difficulty paying. The university hospital requires a moderate fee
C A large fee must be paid to recieve a safe form of healthcare. Even the middle class struggle to pay healthcare feesThe university hospital requires a large fee.
C+ Healthcare is run as a buisness by greedy C.E.O's. The poor have no hope of getting healthcare. The free clinic is shut down and replaced with the "Back-Alley clinic. Going to the B.A.C is rather dangerous as there's a chance your liberal will end up dead from organs being removed. The B.A.C is free and as a result, the quality of the surgery is terrible compared to the university hospital. The university hospital requires an insanly high (Over $90000 for minor treatment) fee.
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C+ Healthcare is only for the rich. The poor are simply left to perish The free clinic is shut down. The university hospital requires an insanly high (Over $90000 for minor treatment) fee.
It's... it's... OVER NINTEY THOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNND!
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C+ Healthcare is only for the rich. The poor are simply left to perish The free clinic is shut down. The university hospital requires an insanly high (Over $90000 for minor treatment) fee.
It's... it's... OVER NINTEY THOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNND!
What, ninety thousand!? That can't be right!?
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Shouldn't there be something about organ harvesting? That would be dystopian.
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Shouldn't there be something about organ harvesting? That would be dystopian.
Just added it.
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The free clinic probably wouldn't be shut down until C+; it wouldn't be illegal for someone to privately run a free clinic at C, it would be stupid and expensive, but not illegal. At C+ they probably would crack down on that. However, I think that completely eliminating external health recovery is a bit harsh, even for C+. Maybe the clinic becomes a back-alley surgeon? For a low to moderate fee, you get sub-optimal care (longer recovery times, chance of death) and can sell the organs of fallen comrades and hostages to aid the continued care of the lower class.
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Yes!
Free Clinic becomes back alley surgeon (after all, they promote free market principles, everyone should be allowed to practice medicine!)
Organ selling, shoddy surgery where going in for a minor wound still entails a chance of death, OR you can pay the 90,000 for something that won't kill you. :P
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...Actually, playing with the organ selling idea, I'd like to make a suggestion: Rather than the downright ridiculous price for getting treated at the University Hospital, you can be treated there for free at C+, but you'll be given a permanent injury to represent them taking out organs to pay for your treatment. Back Alley Surgeon the other hand, has the "Free, but there's a chance of killing you or making things worse".
It also changes the flavor text for C+ a little to include
"The poor have to sell their organs to pay for their own treatment."
Just a random thought, of course. I'm sure people can point out what a bad idea my suggestion is.
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I would probably change the C+ flavour text to something like:
Healthcare is run as a business, and hospitals are beholden to their shareholders. So the reason they charge such exorbitant rates is that they're required to make a profit like any other C+ service, rather than a simple hatred of the poor. Though both possibilities are suitable for LCS' style.
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I'm going to alter C+ and C again.
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I would probably change the C+ flavour text to something like:
Healthcare is run as a business, and hospitals are beholden to their shareholders. So the reason they charge such exorbitant rates is that they're required to make a profit like any other C+ service, rather than a simple hatred of the poor. Though both possibilities are suitable for LCS' style.
I would feel this isn't sufficiently scandalous, since in the US there are already large hospital corporations, beholden to shareholders, running huge chains of for-profit hospitals. For-profit or non-profit, they're all staffed by professional doctors and nurses adhering to government standards, so most people probably don't notice the difference.
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The better C+s could be
1) The Free Clinic is replaced by "Back Alley Clinic"
-Personally no
2) The Free Clinic no longer sends patients to the hospital as emergency treatment is no longer covered.
-MUCH more prefered
--Or I guess you could be sent there and then refused treatment prompting you to essentially die
Though is that really a conservative issue?
I mean if you want to be REALLY abusive and all that just have "Alternate payment" plans. For example if you get sent there and can't pay, maybe they take your arm, leg, organs, or blood.
C
-Insurance Issue: Those unable to pay for emergency service are hereby but into debt and are essentially slaves to the system. Liberals who are under this can easily be detected and are hounded by debt collectors.
*shrugs*
Though I thought it was Liberals who were more into organ harvesting everyone.
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Liberals take them when you die, this in C+ organ harvesting this in C+ organ harvesting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tmLvzubP3I)
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For the record, in India there really have been cases of people selling their extra organs for money, so that isn't actually very far-fetched for C+.
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In elite liberal society id imagine organs are collected after death.
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Yes!
Free Clinic becomes back alley surgeon (after all, they promote free market principles, everyone should be allowed to practice medicine!)
Organ selling, shoddy surgery where going in for a minor wound still entails a chance of death, OR you can pay the 90,000 for something that won't kill you. :P
It isn't needed. The player can send a liberal to the university for a few days, learn first aid to skill 1, then use that liberal to heal injuries. Sure it sucks, but so does C+.
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I'd say the back alley clinic gets a real small chance on affecting your stats. Depending on how lucky you are, they could go up or down.
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Yes!
Free Clinic becomes back alley surgeon (after all, they promote free market principles, everyone should be allowed to practice medicine!)
Organ selling, shoddy surgery where going in for a minor wound still entails a chance of death, OR you can pay the 90,000 for something that won't kill you. :P
It isn't needed. The player can send a liberal to the university for a few days, learn first aid to skill 1, then use that liberal to heal injuries. Sure it sucks, but so does C+.
Damage to organs and such needs proper treatment and not first aid.
EDIT: Disregard this, I just healed a collapsed lung and a blasted spleen with 13 First Aid.
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I seem to recall that the last time I looked at the source, you only needed to go to hospital if the lead first aider was unable to treat the injury. For a destroyed heart, the absolute minimum first aid skill was 12. I think the difficulty stuff has been unified since then, so I don't know what the current first aid situation is.
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I seem to recall that the last time I looked at the source, you only needed to go to hospital if the lead first aider was unable to treat the injury. For a destroyed heart, the absolute minimum first aid skill was 12. I think the difficulty stuff has been unified since then, so I don't know what the current first aid situation is.
Those first aid calculations have always been a special case, and I don't think I messed with them. They're probably the same.
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I seem to recall that the last time I looked at the source, you only needed to go to hospital if the lead first aider was unable to treat the injury. For a destroyed heart, the absolute minimum first aid skill was 12. I think the difficulty stuff has been unified since then, so I don't know what the current first aid situation is.
Even if that is so, then you're still not going to be healing a pierced heart with 1 First Aid skill as it was stated.
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I seem to recall that the last time I looked at the source, you only needed to go to hospital if the lead first aider was unable to treat the injury. For a destroyed heart, the absolute minimum first aid skill was 12. I think the difficulty stuff has been unified since then, so I don't know what the current first aid situation is.
Even if that is so, then you're still not going to be healing a pierced heart with 1 First Aid skill as it was stated.
Not to detract from your point, but even the hospital can't fix a pierced heart; I think they only have an effective first aid skill of 8. If your heart is blasted, you're basically a dead man walking. Generally characters bleed out within a couple combat turns of it happening anyway, though, so it's normally a moot point.
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I personally think that the Back Alley Clinic should cost money (though not as much as the Hospital) and be risky. They're an illegal body-chop-shop, after all.
Also, I like the idea of the University Hospital refusing individuals referred to their emergency rooms without paying at C.
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If I recall correctly, the Clinic has a skill of 6 and the Hospital 12 - although I might be wrong.
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Why in the world is a Back Alley Doctor free? IRL, these illegal doctors are even MORE expensive than the government hospitals, aren't they? I'm talking about those guys who treat gun shot wounds for criminals and illegal abortions, etc etc.
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Why in the world is a Back Alley Doctor free? IRL, these illegal doctors are even MORE expensive than the government hospitals, aren't they? I'm talking about those guys who treat gun shot wounds for criminals and illegal abortions, etc etc.
That reminds me: The LCS are usually criminals. Wouldn't it be prudent to add in a persuasion roll if a LCS member goes to the Clinic (Easy to pass because the clinic is sympathetic to the LCS)/Hospital (Hard to pass because they are a buisness tangled up in the Conservative machine) with gunshot wounds? If failed, the police show up in the liberal's hospital room. From there, I'm not sure what options you could give. If the Liberal isn't wanted for anything they'd probably be released, but otherwise I'd say that Near-Death Liberal would be immediately arrested and anyone else would have a chance to fight their way out (yeah, good luck with that).
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I'd like abortions to be a bigger factor myself.
Providing illegal abortions for cash for example. But also possibility of having a baby and aborting it or not!
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Babies and family drama wouldn't fit in LCS in my opinion. Besides, a bunch of gun-wielding urban terrorists with a cute little baby with them. Doesn't really fit the image.
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Well we could always use them as shields
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While ablative baby armor is of course in-theme, even Dwarf Fortress did not have its dwarves make babies solely to impale upon goblin spears.
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Why in the world is a Back Alley Doctor free? IRL, these illegal doctors are even MORE expensive than the government hospitals, aren't they? I'm talking about those guys who treat gun shot wounds for criminals and illegal abortions, etc etc.
As the person who suggested the Back Alley Doctor in the first place, I would like to mention I said "for a low to moderate fee". The point is that you DON'T get free care anymore and, instead, the only affordable health care has a chance of removing your liver and kidneys. At C+, everything is against you, even the thing keeping you alive.
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What exactly about C++ removes free healthcare?
Is it that they believe charitable service interferes with the free market?
Wouldn't that shut down a lot of zoos too?
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Well in LCS C+ is the nightmare version of actual conservative ideology. So if conservatives IRL think hospitals should not offer costly services for free to people who pay barely any tax, C+ conservatives think that if you're not in the top income bracket you don't deserve medical treatment.
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Suggestion: Due to the concentration of skill and organ harvesting from the lower class, in the event that you are actually able to buy C+ hospital treatments they should be able to heal normally permanent wounds (lost limbs, teeth, faces...). At C through L+ hospitals become less and less likely to save a dying liberal because everyone who needs to be treated is being treated, overloading doctors.
Like with Gun Law, this makes the game harder as you near your objective.
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Agreed!
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I thought it was Liberals who supported Organ harvesting... or was it Liberals... hmmm
Let me see... Well I should probably go with the people who like the death penelty.
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Liberals like organ harvesting for the benefit of everyone, Conservatives like organ harvesting for the benefit of those who can pay
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Liberals like organ harvesting for the benefit of everyone, Conservatives like organ harvesting for the benefit of those who can pay
*shrugs*
So... maybe on C++ a new unit called "The Harvester" should appear who uses organ obliterating attacks with his weapon the "suction gun"
Actually that means I didn't listen to what you said.
Though by Organ Harvesting I meant more along the lines of "Forced" organ harvesting (People who are dead have no right to their organs, prisoners, or people have to go on a "do not harvest" list instead of the other way around)
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Well I am a communist, the left of the left, and I very much ideally support manadated organ donation when you die.
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Well I am a communist, the left of the left, and I very much ideally support manadated organ donation when you die.
I thought you were a Communists cat.