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Title: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on May 30, 2011, 05:39:18 am
Sorry, this isn't a thread about gold spears and adamantine maces, neither one about adamantine spears and gold warhammers. Neither did my smith die while collecting a sock. It's simply about the closest thing to a legendary weaponsmith we can imagine. You can't be much dwarfier then he is.

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There are no elves waving wands over my creations, just good, solid, and practiced techniques applied by my own hands.

http://www.jayfisher.com/index.html

Next time you consider atomsmashing a legendary cheesemaker, consider how much time and effort went into that "legendary" artisan.

Oh...and if any of you are wearing purple and have some money to burn, please consider ordering a knife from him, for I cannot. Call that knife "Urist", let it menace with spikes of blued metal, adorned with hanging rings of microcline and let him engrave it with images of: cow cheese; Urist, the legendary dagger; an elf being burned by magma and Jay Fisher creating Urist, the legendary dagger.

Fellow dwarves, that was something I thought I had to share - let comments or hammerings follow!
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 06:37:57 am
Knife version of this
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Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Noir on May 30, 2011, 06:40:30 am
Bloody hell... will you look at the details on this knife (http://www.jayfisher.com/Aegir_Nebula_Stone.htm)?
This is artifact level - way beyond masterwork!
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Stormcloudy on May 30, 2011, 07:31:14 am
Yes indeed. That's why they're all named.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Girlinhat on May 30, 2011, 08:55:27 am
I imagine this as being Masterwork quality gear.  With no-quality, you get a rod of iron with a handle.  Good gets you an edge.  Masterwork gets you a lifetime of training hammered into every curve of steel.

Also, you should post this over in the dwarven porn thread.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Sarda on May 30, 2011, 09:18:14 am
Quote from: Girlinhat on May 30, 2011, 08:55:27 am
I imagine this as being Masterwork quality gear.  With no-quality, you get a rod of iron with a handle.  Good gets you an edge.  Masterwork gets you a lifetime of training hammered into every curve of steel.

Also, you should post this over in the dwarven porn thread.
YES. HELL. FUCKING. YES.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on May 30, 2011, 09:28:58 am
Quote from: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 06:37:57 am
Knife version of this
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Nonsense. Like comparing a no-quality wooden sword with a proper dwarven battleaxe.

Quote from: Girlinhat on May 30, 2011, 08:55:27 am
Also, you should post this over in the dwarven porn thread.

Will do...I wanted it here for maximum exposure, but The Internet is For Porn it seems - so I'll link few choice pieces there.


Edit: Found what is without a doubt an artifact, even considering his masterpieces. Picture in Porn thread.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on May 30, 2011, 10:35:36 am
not dwarfy enough.
His a grinder, should forge his blades and minimal grinding.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Sarda on May 30, 2011, 11:18:38 am
1. He's not a dwarf.

2. This is IRL, not DF.

3. Let's see you do that.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on May 30, 2011, 01:14:21 pm
I was expecting the "grow a beard, knifes suck - forge a hammer instead, apply magma, meh - I could do better with a wet plump helmet then him"  etc. ;)
Though OUR weaponsmiths aren't maybe that different, they work from prepared bars of metal as well...
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 01:24:53 pm
Quote from: Number4 on May 30, 2011, 09:28:58 am
Quote from: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 06:37:57 am
Knife version of this
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Nonsense. Like comparing a no-quality wooden sword with a proper dwarven battleaxe.
Yessense. Dwarven gear may be richly decorated, but is utilitarian at the core. That sea god knife is pure bling. To put it in DF terms, it's a *<Large steel knife>*. He has made some nice tools, but that isn't one.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: MantisMan on May 30, 2011, 01:35:10 pm
I figured that with a handel shape like that, it was better for intimidation or slashing. Since the wrist doesn't have to bend as much to get the pointy end oriented at whomever you want to cut.

I'll admit that I can't really see that being used in a combat situation where the user has any other choices at all.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Weylyn on May 30, 2011, 01:56:47 pm
I'd have to group that particular knife in with golden artifact battleaxes. Awesome, but impractical.

That said, it's a 10.000$ display piece. You put it in a room and instantly bump it to legendary status ;)
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 02:07:14 pm
Personally, I'd get more aesthetic pleasure out of a masterwork steel sword than an artifact golden axe, because I think function comes before form, not the other way around. Well, I'm not going to argue taste. The extreme it has been taken to is quite notable, at least.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on May 30, 2011, 02:08:23 pm
Well:
Blade: O1 high carbon tungsten-vanadium alloy tool steel, hardened and tempered to 59HRC
Blade Finish: mirror polished throughout, hot blued, caustic sodium salt process

Sounds like it still could carve you up pretty well. An artery has been severed! Still a display piece but no one should take it ever into combat.

Anyway, if anyone only commented because they saw only one picture of one single knife:
Some weapons...
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Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 02:11:27 pm
Quote from: Number4 on May 30, 2011, 02:08:23 pm
Well:
Blade: O1 high carbon tungsten-vanadium alloy tool steel, hardened and tempered to 59HRC
Blade Finish: mirror polished throughout, hot blued, caustic sodium salt process

Sounds like it still could carve you up pretty well. An artery has been severed! Still a display piece but no one should take it ever into combat.

Anyway, if anyone only commented because they saw only one picture of one single knife:
Some weapons...
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And yet, the last blade is the better weapon.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Girlinhat on May 30, 2011, 02:36:37 pm
The site did state that he made weapons for the army/marines.  His personal craft seems to be artifacts, amazing work, but it's still a cotton candy mace and golden short sword.  The less ornate pieces seem to be more like actual weapons that a dwarf would use, instead of just tossing in a room for value.  That said, the actual weapon pics are very nice as well.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on May 30, 2011, 02:59:52 pm
Quote from: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 02:11:27 pm
And yet, the last blade is the better weapon.
Have to disagree again. IRL yes, but we're dwarves and we want a dagger, not a combat knife. Armor was better against melee weapons then modern bulletproof vests, so the more stabby dagger should beat the slashier knife.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Syrup Roast on May 30, 2011, 10:58:33 pm
wait, you can't stab with that knife? Because it looks double-edged...
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Lagslayer on May 30, 2011, 11:19:33 pm
Quote from: Syrup Roast on May 30, 2011, 10:58:33 pm
wait, you can't stab with that knife? Because it looks double-edged...

It's less specialized for stabbing. As a whole, it's probably the best out of all the knives in this thread, but for pure stabbing, the one right above the marine knife would be the best.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: nanomage on May 31, 2011, 03:04:40 am
Well the guy is definitely an artisan although maybe more of a Jeweler - Engraver than weaponsmith in df terms as it seems he grinds or mills metal as his chief technique rather than forge it. His fancy knives don't seem too utalitarian, but i'm only familiar with common kitchen knives myself and can only see utility in them. What chef's knives or other kitchen knives i saw on his site look pretty much utalitarian, useful, convenient and sturdy as well as being beatiful.
Maybe that fancily curved blades of other his knives have their use and utility too, i just don't know.
That knives that i can at least partially appraise are clearly masterworks df terms.

That said, with modern machinery pretty much any good factory-made knife would be considered exceptional quality by our 14-century dwarves if not masterwork.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Ace_Warbringer on June 02, 2011, 02:01:57 pm
Well if you want to go through armor. Take a look at a world war one trench spike. It's made to go through HELMETS.  :o
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on June 02, 2011, 02:25:58 pm
theses are forged knifes, not as fancy as the jeweller/engraver guys ground knifes but  i think closer to what the dwarfs make.
http://www.radharcknives.com/Knives%20-%20Unique.htm
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Steele on June 02, 2011, 02:39:10 pm
Good lord, talk about overpriced!
I don't care how good you are, there ain't no such thing as a KNIFE worth $2,000+.
Not in my book.
Sheesh, and I thought my Gil Hibben bowie was expensive..
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Noir on June 02, 2011, 03:08:40 pm
Looks like this guy gets in a fey mood quite often. I wouldn't like to be in his wife's shoes when he withdraws from society and they somehow cannot find the materials he requires.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on June 02, 2011, 03:16:47 pm
Quote from: Steele on June 02, 2011, 02:39:10 pm
Good lord, talk about overpriced!
I don't care how good you are, there ain't no such thing as a KNIFE worth $2,000+.
Not in my book.
Sheesh, and I thought my Gil Hibben bowie was expensive..

Well, if you can afford it why not? Those are good knives and while any normal person would use the money better, for a rich person it could be quite a rational choice for example to go hunting with a 3 grand knife.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Steele on June 02, 2011, 03:34:52 pm
If you're that rich and don't care if you get your moneys worth, go for it.
I'd kinda like to meet such a person so I could try and sell them a sharpened stick for a couple grand.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: evileeyore on June 02, 2011, 06:17:20 pm
Quote from: Number4 on June 02, 2011, 03:16:47 pm
Well, if you can afford it why not? Those are good knives and while any normal person would use the money better, for a rich person it could be quite a rational choice for example to go hunting with a 3 grand knife.
No, that's damn near criminal.  If you got $3K to throw down the toilet on a knife, invest it in a local small business instead.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on June 02, 2011, 06:38:48 pm
Quote from: evileeyore on June 02, 2011, 06:17:20 pm
No, that's damn near criminal.  If you got $3K to throw down the toilet on a knife, invest it in a local small business instead.

Like, for example, your local knifemaker? ;)
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: evileeyore on June 02, 2011, 06:46:20 pm
Quote from: Number4 on June 02, 2011, 06:38:48 pm
Like, for example, your local knifemaker? ;)

No, like a Mom and Pop resturant, a Dry Cleaners, a family owned gas station, etc.  He is an artist, not a business.


And on that note, I would say do as you will with your money, to me buying one of those knives is a waste.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: igarai on June 02, 2011, 10:49:34 pm
Are there any IRL axes? I can't seem to find any by these fine gentlemen.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on June 02, 2011, 11:15:49 pm
not very many that look any good, most usable axes look like the cheap ones.
this might suit you.
http://www.gen-smide.se/damaskalteng.html

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"Bluetounge".
Material: Damasteel
Weight: Approx. 1,5kgs


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Quote from: Sarda on May 30, 2011, 11:18:38 am
1. He's not a dwarf.

2. This is IRL, not DF.

3. Let's see you do that.
I am 3rd gen blacksmith, not great with weapons or aesthetics. If it works, use it.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Poindexterity on June 03, 2011, 12:10:14 am
Quote from: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 02:07:14 pm
Personally, I'd get more aesthetic pleasure out of a masterwork steel sword than an artifact golden axe, because I think function comes before form, not the other way around. Well, I'm not going to argue taste. The extreme it has been taken to is quite notable, at least.

a few of us are with you, but we are the minority.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Lagslayer on June 03, 2011, 12:15:03 am
Quote from: Poindexterity on June 03, 2011, 12:10:14 am
Quote from: kotekzot on May 30, 2011, 02:07:14 pm
Personally, I'd get more aesthetic pleasure out of a masterwork steel sword than an artifact golden axe, because I think function comes before form, not the other way around. Well, I'm not going to argue taste. The extreme it has been taken to is quite notable, at least.

a few of us are with you, but we are the minority.
I agree. Function over form.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Montague on June 03, 2011, 12:24:45 am
I'm sure his works take a lot of time and skill to create. All that finely detailed engraving, detailing and the craftsmanship in total is superb, but I bet if you worked the knife hard enough it would snap in half like so many of my other tools.

I think they are more of a *<< - Steel Slicing Knife - >>* then a *Slicing Knife*
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on June 03, 2011, 12:37:07 am
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20. I guarantee my workmanship for my lifetime. While no one can guarantee a knife against neglect or abuse, and nothing is unbreakable, I fully stand behind my workmanship, methods and execution of my pieces for as long as I am physically able.

sounds pretty convinced to me...
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: kotekzot on June 03, 2011, 06:20:45 am
Quote from: Number4 on June 03, 2011, 12:37:07 am
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20. I guarantee my workmanship for my lifetime. While no one can guarantee a knife against neglect or abuse, and nothing is unbreakable, I fully stand behind my workmanship, methods and execution of my pieces for as long as I am physically able.

sounds pretty convinced to me...
Then you should spend a little more time scrutinizing marketing speak.
Title: Re: Legendary Weaponsmith.
Post by: Number4 on June 03, 2011, 08:34:22 am
Nah, I'm not stupid mate. I was fascinated by his side and have a really strong feeling that he knows what he's doing. Of course he's not gonna put himself in a bad light, but on a sliding scale of quality vs. quantity, he's about as far on the quality side as one can get.