Post by: Krantz86 on September 16, 2011, 10:55:37 am
hello to all guys, we're a group of modders and we're working on a Warhammer Total Conversion, with YOUR help we'll complete it, Join us!
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i hope to work with you guys
Krantz
Post by: Deon on September 17, 2011, 05:01:16 am
Since nobody has managed to create a FULL warhammer mod, maybe you will be able to do it in a group?
Ask those guys:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=90971
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=48008
All in all, my best advice is to start making the framework by yourself. If you don't know how to do something, make a placeholder there. Once you have more or less solid stuff, release it as 0.1. It will attract a lot of help in a form of helpful posts, code and suggestions, as well as maybe sprite artists (for sure, hehe).
Just do it! ;)
Post by: mrtspence on September 17, 2011, 08:20:37 am
So feel free to use it in its current iteration whilst I slowly patch and update it. Just give credit.
I also am about 50% through a Lizardmen mod. It's not done enough to be used though.
Maybe this will be the one that will work!
Post by: Dsarker on September 17, 2011, 08:50:25 am
You want Bestigors, iirc.
Post by: Teneb on September 17, 2011, 07:56:58 pm
Beastmen will need to, of course, be divided into castes. Ungors, Gors, Bestigors, Bray Shamans. Can't remember if Centigors count as real beastmen or not.
Post by: Agent_Irons on September 17, 2011, 09:17:39 pm
I may make that. Brb.
Post by: Krantz86 on September 18, 2011, 04:55:06 am
I'd be happy to help, also.
Beastmen will need to, of course, be divided into castes. Ungors, Gors, Bestigors, Bray Shamans. Can't remember if Centigors count as real beastmen or not.
yeah, as for beasmen i've only added the Bestigor for now because i needed a race that dwells in forests to keep those frisky elves at bay in worldgen, now dwarves survive 20% more in worldgen because the elves don't have the forest monopoly!
if you want to work on the beastmen PLEASE DO SO i'm totally new to modding, here the raws feel free to trash them and start anew
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at first i'd like to add a race then we can tune it by adding the correct equipments and religious differences (i plan to add CHAOS powers later ingame)
Hey! I have a pretty-damned-fleshed-out Chaos Warrior mod (which I am planning on tweaking in a little while--I haven't abandoned it, but school life owns my game life xD) which you would be welcome to use. It also can come with a barely-realized Daemons of Chaos mod that provides them as reasonable enemies.
So feel free to use it in its current iteration whilst I slowly patch and update it. Just give credit.
I also am about 50% through a Lizardmen mod. It's not done enough to be used though.
Maybe this will be the one that will work!
Testing them right now, thanks mrtspence for the permission
Post by: CaptApollo12 on September 18, 2011, 05:42:21 am
If we can play as dwarves I shall have slayers. We need hairstyles of orange crests!
Post by: Krantz86 on September 18, 2011, 06:34:44 am
adventure mode reactions added (you can mine and smith equipment or gather branches and craft wood equipment for the treehuggers)
Chaos warriors added just one more race and the version 0.01a will be released
if anyone want to join officially just apply here and tell me on what you want to work
Skaven = Kobolds with skillz and ogre rats! I love it!!!
If we can play as dwarves I shall have slayers. We need hairstyles of orange crests!
skaven will be hard to add i fear, for the warpstone related issues
Post by: Teneb on September 18, 2011, 10:41:32 am
Warpstone effects should be do-able in the next version with curses and all that. And yes, we must have slayers.
Post by: Krantz86 on September 18, 2011, 12:30:33 pm
we must have slayers.
i'm trying right now, but i absolutely need a hand expecially on the cosmetic part, here my first try (testing now)
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Post by: Teneb on September 18, 2011, 01:16:05 pm
I made a creature, entity and body file (because of centigors) for beastmen, but it seems they are too big to place here, so I uploaded them (link (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4953))
EDIT: you'll need to make a language file to go with them, but that shouldn't be a problem.
Post by: Shintaro Fago on September 18, 2011, 02:30:07 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on September 18, 2011, 03:14:01 pm
Humans:8
Dwarves:7
Elves:9
CHAOS:8
Beast:0
for some reason they can't seem to survive, i'll check further
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now i have a couple of questions for Deathsword:
1 - are you interested in making them civ playable? if so remove the nosleep, noeat and nofeed tags, i know that they make the race survive better in worldgen but i think it's unbalanced for fortress mode
2 - isn't a 50y lifespan a little low? i mean there are some (lore) Drakwald forest dwellers that are centuries old.
at least you should give them at least a humanlike lifespan 60:120
3- are you willing to add a version for patch purposes?
Post by: Teneb on September 18, 2011, 05:34:12 pm
Increase their life-span if you want, I just thought it would be adequate, considering they mature when they reach 5 years of age.
Post by: NobodyPro on September 18, 2011, 11:28:33 pm
Separate skaven clans or mixed?
The four kinds of vampire could be separate night creature types in the next release i.e Necrarchs build towers with undead armies but Lahmians infiltrate towns and nobility (vampire cults confirmed in next release).
Post by: Krantz86 on September 19, 2011, 04:42:58 am
I could do skaven and/or vampires.since i'm a vampire fan i'm drooling at the idea of them walking around (i'm already working on them, my actual progression on them:
Separate skaven clans or mixed?
The four kinds of vampire could be separate night creature types in the next release i.e Necrarchs build towers with undead armies but Lahmians infiltrate towns and nobility (vampire cults confirmed in next release).
i'm working on standard(Von Carstein) structure for vampires (NONPLAYABLE RIGHT NOW) with their own minions:
Vampires - an humanoid that feel no pain nor fear and that his/her only weakness is dismemberment of decapitation
Skeletons - Nonlearning minions
Zombies(pets) - they're just cannon fodder
Ghoul - bigger than humans, poisoned claws that cause suffucation and dizzyness
Wrathguard - Elite Skeletons with buildt in full armor and weapon (to represent own cursed items and weapons) they wont use any other equipment
Vargulf - Walking nightmare, very fast , very deadly and he is even harder to kill than a vampire his fangs are harder than steel
Ghosts, etc - kinda trying create an ethereal attribute
later i planned to add more kinds of vampires (Necrarchs with black magic attacks, Lahmians cause nearby creatures to drop their guard thanks a syndrome emitted, and at least the followers of Aborash who can kill a dragon with their superior martial skills)
that was my project but if you want to take over feel free, i'll keep working on dwarves, right now i'm adding the kraka-drakk slayers
Post by: Shintaro Fago on September 19, 2011, 08:45:15 am
Post by: Krantz86 on September 19, 2011, 10:48:35 am
Post by: Shintaro Fago on September 19, 2011, 11:03:23 am
Post by: EggFibre on September 19, 2011, 12:35:36 pm
I have both the Civ and Creature Raws for the Ogre Kingdom, and they should be finished by the end of the week, if that's ok with you. If not, I can post them in their current state on Wednesday.]
Also, if your interested, I've been working on some demons for a 40K mod I've been trying to make. They're pretty complete, so if you need them, possibly to intergrate into the Chaos Warriors, just ask. If someone's already working on demons, then sorry, but you can use what I have if you need it.
I'm really looking forward to seeing this all put together. Warhammer Rules.
EggFibre~
Post by: Krantz86 on September 19, 2011, 02:52:40 pm
EggFibre
there are 3 options:
release a Ogre Kingdom alpha of them as worldgen enemies (like the beastmen, gobling..)
release them as Neutral like vanilla elves, humans and later keep patching them to allow fortress mode and fix balance issues(i tend to prefer this one)
release them directly playable in fortress mode
Post by: EggFibre on September 19, 2011, 03:12:11 pm
Ogres are neutral in the fluff, so it makes sense. I'm happy to keep working on them in the future too.
Post by: Black_Legion on September 20, 2011, 01:23:36 am
Making cloven hooves, curly "byzantine" beards, and tusks should be trivial. Most of their armor and weapons could be taken from dwarfs themselves with a few modifications for the immortals obsidian/stone armor and the blunderbusses they wield. The only problem is according to fluff they ted to use slave races like the greenskins instead of their own troops and I don't think slave races work well so far... unless a nice work-around has been found.
Post by: Krantz86 on September 20, 2011, 04:43:49 am
Siege machines like Inferno cannons? they are more like caged daemons anyway, so you can make them into nonorganic wheeled fire spewing nasty tempered creatures
Slaves, just add some castes that can field goblins, orks on the field as underling
about the CD curse, you can suppose that since the petrification increase with age and magic usage higher caste CD have about 70/80% of their skin turned into stone
just try to be creative, remember they don't necessarily need to playable at the start, just add them as world threat (ps please make them live in savage mountains/plains) so we can field another race
MESSAGE FOR ALL, WE NEED JUST 1 MORE RACE
we have CHAOS WARRIORS 80-90% done fortress mode compatible
we have BEASTMEN 50-60% done as opposing force
we have BRETONNIAN KNIGHTS 20-30% done as neutrals
Post by: Black_Legion on September 20, 2011, 10:42:00 am
I am astonished no one has suggested the cockney soccer hooligans, aka the orcs.
Post by: Shintaro Fago on September 20, 2011, 02:21:03 pm
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Post by: Krantz86 on September 20, 2011, 03:16:15 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4960
armors coming soon
Post by: Teneb on September 20, 2011, 04:59:59 pm
Post by: Black_Legion on September 20, 2011, 06:09:30 pm
Post by: Teneb on September 20, 2011, 06:50:35 pm
Post by: Black_Legion on September 20, 2011, 07:29:11 pm
I'll probably use some weapons/reactions/buildings from the Chaos Warriors mod, if that's okay (since it'll be part of the mod)
Does the chaos warrior mod have chaos armor implemented? I believe that could be useful to the chaos dwarves as that tends to be their standard equipment. I just need to dig around for that mod and ask permissions.
Post by: Teneb on September 20, 2011, 07:42:16 pm
I'll probably use some weapons/reactions/buildings from the Chaos Warriors mod, if that's okay (since it'll be part of the mod)
Does the chaos warrior mod have chaos armor implemented? I believe that could be useful to the chaos dwarves as that tends to be their standard equipment. I just need to dig around for that mod and ask permissions.
Last time I checked, it didn't. It did add chaos weapons and reactions to ask for blessings. Walking into a chaos town as a Gor and being killed by a Chosen of Khorne was quite nice.
Post by: mrtspence on September 20, 2011, 10:46:38 pm
@Black_Legion: I actually added in a Cuirass (a better chest piece with better coverage), so now their entire bodies can be encased in armour pretty effectively. So you can easily make a suit of good and proper chaos armour out of Blood Steel (custom metal I have in there that is hard to make and requires sacrifice and much refinement, but is like really heavy adamantine) to fulfill all your defensive and fluffy needs. Didn't feel a need to remake an entirely new piece of armour for each bodypart when the existing stuff (minus the breastplate) was accurate.
It also adds a large number of custom buildings and reactions, from burning flesh to make charcoal to what is essentially a (usually lethal) blood sacrifice to enrich metals and rock.
I would also like some opinions on the Staff of Tzeentch, if you get around to that. It currently shoots bolts of Chaos Energy, which ignites in blood (also why Chaos Warriors run a little cooler than the rest of them, to avoid it instantly bursting into flames). Currently it doesn't extinguish (you've gotta atom-smash it to get rid of it) which I think is ok and fluffy (you are trying to harness raw chaos! There are risks!), but if people find it too much of a pain, I will give it a melting/vapour point.
Ya, Chaos Khorne Champions are the scourge of adventure mode. They mean business.
Also, just posted an update to my Warriors of Chaos Mod. Check that here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3612
Here is the relevant part to the changelog:
0.4b
-Greatly increased the size of the Chaos Warriors/Champions.
After reading more fluff and looking at how people get massively heavier as they get taller
(if retaining their original proportions). ie. an 8 foot tall norseman would be closer to 600 or 800
pounds than 300 or 400. Now they won't be built like twigs :D
-Tweaked the entity file so that Chaos Warriors will siege sooner.
-Changed the descriptions of leaders/etc. in the entity file. Now enjoy Chaos-y names for your mayors, militia commanders, etc!
-Added Chaos Crusaders, who should be a hostile, non-player-controllable race (essentially clones of Chaos Warriors) that will be able to use the God Weaponry.
They are going to be brutal enemies indeed. May need more testing though, and if they are causing trouble, just go into the entity file and remove them.
Cheers!
Post by: Krantz86 on September 21, 2011, 03:14:49 am
now the error log is an acceptable half page( i'll keep working).
here the first release of the Warhammer Total Conversion Mod, i hope everyone can enjoy it
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Post by: mrtspence on September 21, 2011, 07:01:04 am
Progress has been startlingly fast so far, hopefully it can continue at even a fraction of this pace.
Post by: Stronghammer on September 21, 2011, 09:31:01 am
Post by: Shintaro Fago on September 21, 2011, 09:40:30 am
Post by: Krantz86 on September 21, 2011, 09:49:52 am
*fixed* i added the entity_default and creature_standard.... i'm sorry guys, i had so much in my hands that i totally forgot the basics, now you can download them again to see SLAYERS, GROMRIL, RUNIC WEAPONS, now i just need to learn how to add cosmetic changes to a caste
Post by: Shintaro Fago on September 21, 2011, 09:54:35 am
E: but I can buy blizzard men for 1 point each.
Post by: Krantz86 on September 21, 2011, 10:06:10 am
Post by: mrtspence on September 21, 2011, 11:05:15 am
Strange, embarked as chaos humans but embark doesn't give me any option to buy drinks. Can anyone confirm?
E: but I can buy blizzard men for 1 point each.
Your starting civ likely spawned in a glacier or a tundra. Since chaos warriors don't have underground farming and there can't Be aboveground crops in glaciers for gen purposes, you won't be able to embark with plant products like that. Just like how you sometimes cannot make highboots as dwarves if your home civ can't. Glacier would also explain the blizzard man as a pet option. The only way to make chaos able to have juggernauts/horrors/etc was to make them evil pets, which means you could take other evil beings as pets in your home civ area. The issue is that the game doesn't assign most creatures pet values, so when they become available as pets, they are almost free.
Post by: Teneb on September 21, 2011, 11:47:06 am
relies on stuff added by the chaos warrior part of the mod, wich is not included in the files uploaded by myself
link (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4953)
EDIT: re-uploaded, forgot to remove [SLOW_LEARNER] from the beastmen
Post by: Krantz86 on September 21, 2011, 12:47:07 pm
in entity chaos the entries missing are:
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:BLOOD_FOUNDRY]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:ALTAR]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:CHARNEL_FURNACE]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SHRINE]
Post by: EggFibre on September 21, 2011, 12:54:42 pm
I'm trying to get my Ogres ready for possibly version two. I've built some custom creatures. How do I let the Ogre use them? I could just leave them out for now and I'll work on them later if it's easier though.
I could try and get the Civ and Ogre_Creature Raws to you now to have a look at, if you want them. What would be the easiest way to get them to you? Post them up and let you copy them into the appropriate files?
I'll go through them now, to make sure everything I want for now is there.
Cheers,
Egg.
Post by: Shintaro Fago on September 21, 2011, 01:14:14 pm
yeah, must be the reason. DF never fails to surprise me even after those years.
Your starting civ likely spawned in a glacier or a tundra. Since chaos warriors don't have underground farming and there can't Be aboveground crops in glaciers for gen purposes, you won't be able to embark with plant products like that. Just like how you sometimes cannot make highboots as dwarves if your home civ can't. Glacier would also explain the blizzard man as a pet option. The only way to make chaos able to have juggernauts/horrors/etc was to make them evil pets, which means you could take other evil beings as pets in your home civ area. The issue is that the game doesn't assign most creatures pet values, so when they become available as pets, they are almost free.
Also most of the magic items from the armybook is ready but I'm not sure how to add them. There are three options:
a) Blessed Lake - throw a normal weapon into a workshop and have a chance it gets magical or lose said weapon (easiest),
b) Enchanted Forge - custom recipes for each item using bones, gold bars and other stuff (will take a long time),
c) Mood - buff them even more and leave as mood only stuff (very, very rare).
(http://gmclan.org/uploader/4365/bretonnian_v_04.png)
Post by: Stronghammer on September 21, 2011, 01:30:43 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on September 21, 2011, 02:02:35 pm
Post by: EggFibre on September 21, 2011, 02:14:16 pm
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Please feel free to change them at your will. I'm sure they're not perfect, though they'll probably need bugfixing anyway. Much of the stuff in the Civ raws are designed for use with Ogres as the playable race, but I'm sure they'll actually run better as neutral opposition.
I'll also post raws for other custom creatures after this (post too large) to be implimented in any way you see fit.
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Post by: Krantz86 on September 21, 2011, 03:00:22 pm
about the ogre raws, in warhammer ogres use almost no medical treatment so i think you should remove infections, and secondary, their skin is way thicker than human one (an empire phisiologist who dissected an ogre said it was more like tanned leather) and their bones are harder.
don't get me bad i don't want to cause ruckus, those are just some suggestions, but humans,beastmen and chaotic followers use neraly the same tissue structure (twisted or not) but ogres are definetly harder to cut.
second check the biomes, city cap values, and especially the ethics
third: Clubs, clubs, clubs... and the occasional gnoblar could be implemented as third caste(insted of pet) that will do most of the jobs
Post by: Isa on September 21, 2011, 03:48:42 pm
Post by: mrtspence on September 21, 2011, 09:43:54 pm
Will you add Slaaneshi, Tzeentchian, Nurglite and Khornate chaos factions?
Didn't want to carve them up. But all of those gods have good representation in my mod--ie. champions of each god and super-nasty weaponry for each as well as pets like Juggernauts, and Horrors (minus Slaanesh, they don't have pets yet). If you want, you could be really evil and cull all the ones belonging to a different faction.
Also, I saw that the Ogres thought eating fallen enemies was unthinkable... Pretty sure that's like their forte. Maybe change that?
Post by: Black_Legion on September 21, 2011, 10:05:30 pm
Post by: mrtspence on September 22, 2011, 08:20:44 am
I'm beginning work on the chaos dwarfs. They should be ready to siege some dawi in some form by the next few days. I think I will implement the inferno and the hell-cannon for some special creatures and mrtspence I may borrow a few weapons and ideas from your chaos warriors so CD's have some coherency with the others forces. Is that ok?
Ya, for sure. Just give me credit for the stuff you take and we're golden :D
I look forward to seeing how you do the artillery. The Hellcannon especially would lend itself well to being a creature. I'd be happy to take a crack at it if you don't want to, sounds like fun!
Post by: Krantz86 on September 22, 2011, 10:02:48 am
i always wanted to make trading more important so i thought about setting some stuff as import only, as you pèrobably know the XXX+ is a limited production beer so as dwarves we can't break laws by producing the Bugman's nectar right?
btw i just released the new patched version (0.2a):
Slayers fixed: Trollslayers and Daemonslayers (with corrected airstyle)
above mentioned guys learn military skills at twice the normal rate but won't gain skillpoints in armor/shiled nor with undwarvish weapons
various minor tweaks
link to v0.2a
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Post by: Black_Legion on September 22, 2011, 10:07:53 am
Post by: mrtspence on September 22, 2011, 11:49:35 am
@mrtspence, its not just hell cannons, bull centaurs will also make an aperance giving some access to truly punishing weapons.
Bull centaurs? I'm not familiar. I suppose it's because I started playing the tabletop after Chaos Dwarves had already vanished into legend as an actual army. Could you elaborate?
Post by: Black_Legion on September 22, 2011, 01:41:12 pm
@mrtspence, its not just hell cannons, bull centaurs will also make an aperance giving some access to truly punishing weapons.
Bull centaurs? I'm not familiar. I suppose it's because I started playing the tabletop after Chaos Dwarves had already vanished into legend as an actual army. Could you elaborate?
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Chaos Dwarves were generally mutated in one of three ways:
“Chaos Dwarf” – their lower canines lengthened and broadened into stubby tusks, and their minds were turned to cruelty and dark pride.
“Bull Centaur” – as well as growing tusks, their lower bodies warped into those of red-furred bulls, making them like the Centigor of the Beastmen (Centaurs). These dwarves became particularly savage and bloodthirsty, although they retained their warped intelligence.
“Lammasu” – losing all semblance of dwarf-kind, these were probably runesmiths or other wielders of magic to begin with, and were warped into vast, sorcerous beasts with black-furred bull bodies, the wings of a gigantic bat, and the grossly distorted and charcoal-skinned face of a Chaos Dwarf. They breathe Dark Magic, and while they are no longer truly sentient, manipulation of the Dark Winds is second nature to them.
from: http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/Warhammer_Palace/index.php?showtopic=7304 (http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/Warhammer_Palace/index.php?showtopic=7304)
Think angry dwarves who are also cavalry. They can wield great weapons.
** Edit/Update: The Chaos Dwarves are the proud owners of a whopping eight castes, 2 hoofed and non-hoofed "normal" dwarves. 2 Lammasu "noble beasts" and male-only sorcerers and bull centaurs. Body Raws for everyone!
Post by: Krantz86 on September 22, 2011, 04:06:25 pm
Gunpowder, Bugman's Beer, more....
every dwarven fan knows that no self respectiong dwarf would walk outside a karak without a proper preparations but dwarves can't also break traditions so i would feel strange to see dwarves forging cannons and using the guild's(engineers) secrets openly on a outpost, so i was thinking on creating a new dwarven workshop INSERTNAME where dwarves can get some gear that is lore-friendly:
examples of the stuff i plan (already available on adventure mode for testing pourposes):
-Dwarven Masks like Iron Breaker's ones - mask that protects face, throat and most importantly beard!
-Dwarven Coats - in various stories i read dwarves who work outside commonly wear some sort of chainmail, and the dwarven coat disguise it cleverly, ingame they're chainmails with a dress style coverage(but they don't allow plated armor)
-Drills(planned but not added) - lateley dwarven miners often use alchool-powered drills to dig fast throught stone
-i'd like to add mine carts but is impossible
Post by: Black_Legion on September 22, 2011, 04:23:58 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on September 22, 2011, 04:46:07 pm
Post by: mrtspence on September 22, 2011, 06:20:27 pm
So far I have Saurus, Skinks, and Slann as the race. Kroxigors are pets that can learn and can equip items (means you are gonna have to feed them, I believe). Salamanders, Carnosaurs, Stegadons, and Razordons are on there way as well. No idea when it will be done though, school has a way of stealing my DF time!
Post by: Black_Legion on September 22, 2011, 11:07:49 pm
Any thoughts about the above or additions to be added to the followers of Hashut?
Post by: Krantz86 on September 23, 2011, 04:18:20 am
check this page
http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lammasu#.TnxNN2E0_Co
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transporting allies on shadowy mountstalk about shadow magic
Post by: mrtspence on September 23, 2011, 08:09:44 am
Post by: Teneb on September 23, 2011, 11:57:36 am
They'll be playable, but I think I'll leave them unable to dig, any opinions/ideas regarding that.
Might also add some "craft bone weapons" reactions, too.
Post by: Krantz86 on September 23, 2011, 02:28:35 pm
-Death energy doesn't have a melting point
-the blood infusion reaction create 900 exploding boulders at once
Post by: Teneb on September 23, 2011, 04:34:49 pm
hi, i've just spent the day testing the mods, mainly the chaos mod, i think i've seen some issues, first from cultists to CW none equips i the armor pieces assigned, secod when using the great altar the game crashed, i've done some tests and there are 2 potential cuses;Have you checked the error log for that? Might be something that explains the errors in the chaos mod.
-Death energy doesn't have a melting point
-the blood infusion reaction create 900 exploding boulders at once
Post by: Krantz86 on September 23, 2011, 06:42:19 pm
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[PRODUCT:100:9:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:DEATH_ENERGY]
and it worked fine
for the equipipping issues, i have no clue
Post by: mrtspence on September 24, 2011, 12:20:23 am
Theoretically, making 900 of something WAS fine, I just wanted to make sure there was a dense enough cloud of gas. Maybe your rig had trouble with that specifically? Oh well, I can reduce that no problem if it's causing issues. Glad you caught that.
Note: -Reduce Death energy created to double digits.
The equipping thing might be because champions are so big that the other castes cannot wear them as the game only makes armour for the biggest members of a society. It was the only major thing I changed with the latest patch, and they worked fine before.
-Note: -Pull sizes of castes closer together (I don't care if cultists can't wear armour though, they aren't meant to in the fluff really) to ensure that armour can be worn by all the right classes.
Ok. Great bugfixing so far, hopefully, if we catch enough of these, I can take it out of beta :D ! Keep it up!
Post by: Black_Legion on September 24, 2011, 12:48:53 pm
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The equipping thing might be because champions are so big that the other castes cannot wear them as the game only makes armour for the biggest members of a society. It was the only major thing I changed with the latest patch, and they worked fine before.
-Note: -Pull sizes of castes closer together (I don't care if cultists can't wear armour though, they aren't meant to in the fluff really) to ensure that armour can be worn by all the right classes.
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This may throw a wrench in my plans for bull centaurs. They are about twice the size of a dwarf and it seems they would cause the equipment and armor to not fit the normal dwarves. I've already made the Lammasu a semi-megabeast so I'm wondering what alternatives I may have.
** Edited for random formatting issues
Post by: mrtspence on September 25, 2011, 11:01:00 am
Get that here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3612
-0.41b
-Normalized the size of Chaos Warriors and Champions to 380000 at adulthood. Warriors should now be able to wear armour again. Champions still have bigger size variance potential, so they will still end up being bigger most of the time
-Trimmed some reactions of their excess to remove a possible crash. Functionality is not changed in any way.
-Chaos Crusaders are no longer intelligent and can no longer speak. I believe this should make them more likely to be hostile.
I made these changes in like 5 minutes and am just genning a world right now, but I am almost certain that the armour-wearing issue is now a non-issue.
Post by: Shintaro Fago on September 25, 2011, 11:34:28 am
Post by: mrtspence on September 25, 2011, 11:48:46 am
Get that here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3612
Also, my fix worked. Warriors can now equip armour perfectly well.
Productive times.
EDIT: Game just crashed when Infusing iron with blood. Very strange, this reaction has worked perfectly before, a recent patch may have caused something to fail. Investigating. Worse comes to worst, I will just remake the reaction from scratch and it should work again, but I'd rather isolate the problem and learn.
Post by: Black_Legion on October 02, 2011, 03:53:47 am
Post by: Teneb on October 02, 2011, 10:19:18 am
For all that is holy. Live! I'd like to see the implementations of lizard men and night goblins :/
Night Goblins are being done by me, mostly. I wasn't able to find the time to mod recently, but I have it now. Should gobbos have metal weapons?
Post by: Synner on October 02, 2011, 10:24:10 am
I guess i could draw enviorments too if things work out well.
BTW Deathsword, your sig's awesome, both of them but specially the fun one, made me proud of playing Dorf Fort :'(
Post by: Teneb on October 02, 2011, 10:29:53 am
Hello guys, i'm kind of new here and i'm not all that familiar with Warhammer but i played several of the vidya and i kind of enjoy the whole grimdark feel (fits like a wonder with DF) so i'd like to offer myself to draw the creature sprites for this mod, i only need the res and format to start and i'm kinda exited to do so, of course it's up to the modders but at least i'd like to give something for you guys to base your opinion on.Feel free to make a tileset for everything if you wish. I don't use tilesets, but other people do. We'd have to make two versions (tileset and ASCII), of course, but that's not too much of a problem.
I guess i could draw enviorments too if things work out well.
Check the wiki for the information you might need
BTW Deathsword, your sig's awesome, both of them but specially the fun one, made me proud of playing Dorf Fort :'(
I feel honored, but you should thank the people that actually typed that.
Post by: Synner on October 02, 2011, 10:55:38 am
And it's your sig so thanks to you.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 02, 2011, 11:21:55 am
The Lizardman and Skaven have the most interest for me, but I'm pretty sure that someone was working on Skaven back there and that Lizardmen have been mentioned already, hence the list :p I'd be happy working on anything that needs doing, though; I've never played any games based on Warhammer, but the lore and setting really interest me.
Post by: mrtspence on October 02, 2011, 11:24:48 am
Also, I've had instances where my game has run just fine with the reaction that is causing the crash and have had times where it has crashed. So I dunno what's going on and am going to just rewrite the reactions when I get back to my room.
Post by: Synner on October 02, 2011, 11:28:15 am
I'd love a tileset for the warriors of chaos and would be happy to make one if you could tell me how/give me some advice! Either in this thread or by pm and I will get on it.
Also, I've had instances where my game has run just fine with the reaction that is causing the crash and have had times where it has crashed. So I dunno what's going on and am going to just rewrite the reactions when I get back to my room.
Magmawiki's your friend, there you can find all the info for a tileset.
Post by: mrtspence on October 02, 2011, 11:36:44 am
And, Crazy Cow, I'm currently working on lizardmen but would be happy to put my current raws up here if you wanna take over. I've got most things sorted but more pets and reactions need doing!
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 02, 2011, 11:39:25 am
Post by: Teneb on October 02, 2011, 11:50:23 am
Also, will hobgoblins be part of the chaos dwarf entity or have a different one?
Greenskins will be a pain when deciding who goes into each entity.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 02, 2011, 12:02:57 pm
So yeah, I'll get a base creature and entity out first. Give me a few hours for that.
Post by: Black_Legion on October 02, 2011, 12:54:58 pm
Night Goblins are being done by me, mostly. I wasn't able to find the time to mod recently, but I have it now. Should gobbos have metal weapons?
From the fluff it both Night goblins and Orcs mine (or use some hapless slave/smaller whelp) and use iron so they should have some access to metal. Iron spears should be especially dangerous due to their ability to penetrate dwarven armor.They are scavengers as well so steel, in small quantities, may be feasible for them. Maybe give them a reaction to make "Black Iron" a carbon (charcoal) rich iron alloy with high weight and high cutting power (yet just less so than steel) but low tensile strength due to its brittle nature? Making this would require a massive amount of deforestation which seems par for the course for the OnG's
Skaven are not being done, as far as I'm aware.
Also, will hobgoblins be part of the chaos dwarf entity or have a different one?
Greenskins will be a pain when deciding who goes into each entity.
Orcs and common goblins could be a separate entity that trades/ is on somewhat friendly terms with the night goblins. One way to do it could be that Orcs make up the "Soldier caste" with high strength and good combat capability but poor skill gain when used for more civialian efforts. If it doesn't involve fightin' they'z not dat interested in it. The common gobs could be a more civilian class without the likes fighting tag making them more cowardly and craven. Civilian skill gains are quicker versus military ones but they could be proficient with militia like weapons such as spears, small bows, and large daggers.
I'm finding some weird breeding issues with bull centaurs for the chaos dwarves so i may drop them for some hobgoblins which would be very easy to implement. The Hell canon and Lamasu are mostly done and the regular CDs are completely finished (sanse curly beards as I can't find a way to force them... :'() I just need to figure out how I'm going to implement the Lamasu's magical capability and the Hell cannon's projectile attack...
Post by: Teneb on October 02, 2011, 01:24:25 pm
I'm finding some weird breeding issues with bull centaurs for the chaos dwarves so i may drop them for some hobgoblins which would be very easy to implement. The Hell canon and Lamasu are mostly done and the regular CDs are completely finished (sanse curly beards as I can't find a way to force them... :'() I just need to figure out how I'm going to implement the Lamasu's magical capability and the Hell cannon's projectile attack...
Did you define bodies outside and inside castes? That can cause some crazy stuff.
For the siege weapons, you could use projectile attacks like that of the vanilla magma crab.
Post by: mrtspence on October 02, 2011, 02:30:54 pm
Awesome, I'll start doing some work on them. I'll split them into four different creatures, one for each of the major clans - Skyre Skaven will have access to more powerful weaponry (stuff built from warpstone - speaking of which, has anyone made any warpstone yet?), Pestilens Skaven will be covered in syndromes (I'm imagining various castes, each of which have syndrome attacks in varying levels of lethality), Moulder Skaven will have access to beasts (as castes for now, once .26 comes out they'll start using warpstones to turn citizens into monsters), and Eshin Skaven (I honestly don't know what to do with these guys, besides high natural skills in things like ambushing and observing; we can't do much with poisons right now... although I suppose 'traps' consisting of poison dumped on the ground might be workable...)
So yeah, I'll get a base creature and entity out first. Give me a few hours for that.
That sounds great! I could easily see plague monks just constantly secreting some kind of vile syndrome-carrying ichor. You could also make some kind of syndrome-bearing metal or rock to make plague censers out of. I don't think warpstone has been done yet. Maybe make it appear in reasonably small clusters in soil layers, to simulate the meteoric fragments falling down from Morislieb and embedding themselves in the ground? I guess with that explanation you could find them in deeper layers too, if the soil just built up over an old impact...
Also very excited for some good ol' O n' G. Black iron sounds cool. Mass deforestation is also extremely orky.
Either way, I'm pumped for Skaven and Orks and it sounds like you guys are gonna do an excellent job! Good luck!
Also! Just put up another big bugfix for Warriors of Chaos. Overhauled all my Great Altar reactions, edited some inorganic raws and syndromes, fixed a few embarrassing typos, and have rebound the hotkey for the Dark Shrine, so it can now be used. Also provided a nifty readme file so you can all figure out how to make the uber-deadly god-weaponry and understand how everything works.
Get Warriors of Chaos v0.43b here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3612
Also, krantz, could you please update the main page with this? There have been a lot of really important bugfixes since you've last updated. Thanks!
Also, anybody else find it kickass how there is so much interest in this thread? It was bumped and there was like 8 posts inside three hours or so xD
Post by: Black_Legion on October 02, 2011, 04:46:04 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I actually have most of the stuff done for the orcs, barring the goblins, due to a side project I've been working on for a while so as soon as I am done with the chaos dwarfs I could finish that.
As far as some of the unique aspects of the Orc technology I could add the "Slag Pit" which essentially represents the Orc's crudeness as they can't really refine metals only melt and shape them. Essentially you start off with a slag pit that takes any metal, some charcoal, and possibly some rocks and cook it long enough till it melts. That gives you a bar of slag, something approaching copper/ iron in effectiveness. From there you can make a crude slag pipe and hook up a leather bag and then you can make a bellows which allows for the production of "pure" metals such as iron, copper, bronze ect. The Black Iron reaction could fit in there as well.
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I'm finding some weird breeding issues with bull centaurs for the chaos dwarves so i may drop them for some hobgoblins which would be very easy to implement. The Hell canon and Lamasu are mostly done and the regular CDs are completely finished (sanse curly beards as I can't find a way to force them... :'() I just need to figure out how I'm going to implement the Lamasu's magical capability and the Hell cannon's projectile attack...
Did you define bodies outside and inside castes? That can cause some crazy stuff.
For the siege weapons, you could use projectile attacks like that of the vanilla magma crab.
The hell cannon should use the same mechanics of the magma crab, I'm just trying to get the projectile to "explode" upon contact spreading a syndrome that stuns, nauseates, and enhances bleeding. The fluff effects of a proper HC blast are hard to emulate in the current version of Dwarf Fortress.
The bull centaurs have a body defined in an outside file so I don't know if that's the culprit but having a bull centaur baby with 2 torsos and other nonsense is strange.
Post by: Synner on October 02, 2011, 05:03:41 pm
Post by: Black_Legion on October 02, 2011, 05:20:01 pm
You guys know that the crabs shoot like nuts, right? unless you're aiming for the machinegun feel i think another method is nescesary, apologies if this is irrelevant, i have no idea of modding at all.
They actually shoot boulders of obsidian that is covered in frozen ichor... but I digress. The machine-gun firing is an issue though so I may have to settle for using the breath weapon templates. That would also help with the delivery of syndromes... hrmmm
Post by: Teneb on October 02, 2011, 07:48:27 pm
As far as some of the unique aspects of the Orc technology I could add the "Slag Pit" which essentially represents the Orc's crudeness as they can't really refine metals only melt and shape them. Essentially you start off with a slag pit that takes any metal, some charcoal, and possibly some rocks and cook it long enough till it melts. That gives you a bar of slag, something approaching copper/ iron in effectiveness. From there you can make a crude slag pipe and hook up a leather bag and then you can make a bellows which allows for the production of "pure" metals such as iron, copper, bronze ect. The Black Iron reaction could fit in there as well.
If you ever make that slag pit, we could use it with all greenskins, night goblins included.
Also, having body definiton inside and outside a caste WILL make children... messy. You'll have to place bodies within each caste.
EDIT: we must also make greenskin "children" mature immediately after birth, lest they arrive as migrants.
Regarding greenskin reproduction, we'll have to make male and female castes that never appear ([POP_RATIO:0]) so they survive worldgen.
Spoiler: example (click to show/hide)
I'm currently wonder if gas squigs will explode upon death, and what should their breath attack/explosion syndrome will do. Nausea, maybe?
Post by: Black_Legion on October 02, 2011, 09:02:18 pm
As far as some of the unique aspects of the Orc technology I could add the "Slag Pit" which essentially represents the Orc's crudeness as they can't really refine metals only melt and shape them. Essentially you start off with a slag pit that takes any metal, some charcoal, and possibly some rocks and cook it long enough till it melts. That gives you a bar of slag, something approaching copper/ iron in effectiveness. From there you can make a crude slag pipe and hook up a leather bag and then you can make a bellows which allows for the production of "pure" metals such as iron, copper, bronze ect. The Black Iron reaction could fit in there as well.
If you ever make that slag pit, we could use it with all greenskins, night goblins included.
Also, having body definiton inside and outside a caste WILL make children... messy. You'll have to place bodies within each caste.
EDIT: we must also make greenskin "children" mature immediately after birth, lest they arrive as migrants.
Regarding greenskin reproduction, we'll have to make male and female castes that never appear ([POP_RATIO:0]) so they survive worldgen.Spoiler: example (click to show/hide)
I'm currently wonder if gas squigs will explode upon death, and what should their breath attack/explosion syndrome will do. Nausea, maybe?
The slag pit is mostly made, I'm just working on the graphics for it and refining some the reactions. I think I'll the leave out the Lamasu till interactions come in and focus on implementing chaos armor and the Hell cannon as well as finishing up the entity raws and clearing up that breeding issue with the centaurs.
I was thinking greenskin "children" should more or less be the snotlings and mature rapidly ie. 1-2 years? The only problem with having not male or female orcs (since OnGs reproduce by spores anyway... which is already implemented in DF strangely enough) would be some possible strangeness in Player forts running the OnGs. Though the possible strangeness of seeing the combat report that an orc slashes at the beastman with her choppa could be quite jarring... Is there any way to modify the gender pronouns to just be its since greenskins are neuter? Then again it would be nice to have a supply of homegrown orcs. Too bad we don't have creature creation reactions. A spawning pool or fungal pit that creates snotlings would work well...
Post by: mrtspence on October 03, 2011, 10:51:22 am
I embarked in an area replete with ogres and, due to not being able to embark with an axe, was unable to fortify in time before my beastmen and their herd of chickens and turkeys were feasted upon by slavering ogres. My drafted militia of 7 fought valiantly, inflicting bruises with their horns, but were painfully murdered one-by-one by a hulking monster.
Oh well, can't win em all.
Also, the Beastmen entity raws are currently using a lot of copied and pasted stuff from an old version of my warriors of chaos mod, which is fine, except that the reactions aren't up to date (read likely won't work) and everything is indented and as such will likely not work xD.
Also, the Beastmen are allowed to make a lot of Chaos Warrior weapons that are way too big for them (anything that has "chaos" in it that sounds like it would take two hands to wield is gonna be too big for man-sized Beastmen to use). So maybe remove those from the entity file?
A caste description would also be really helpful, as I had no idea what my beastmen were (as in gors, ungors, etc.)
So far so good though! Keep up the excellent work, gentlemen, and we will have ourselves a fleshed out and fully-realized mod in no time!
Post by: Teneb on October 03, 2011, 11:37:46 am
Well, my first beastman embark ended in total disaster.
I embarked in an area replete with ogres and, due to not being able to embark with an axe, was unable to fortify in time before my beastmen and their herd of chickens and turkeys were feasted upon by slavering ogres. My drafted militia of 7 fought valiantly, inflicting bruises with their horns, but were painfully murdered one-by-one by a hulking monster.
Oh well, can't win em all.
Also, the Beastmen entity raws are currently using a lot of copied and pasted stuff from an old version of my warriors of chaos mod, which is fine, except that the reactions aren't up to date (read likely won't work) and everything is indented and as such will likely not work xD.
Also, the Beastmen are allowed to make a lot of Chaos Warrior weapons that are way too big for them (anything that has "chaos" in it that sounds like it would take two hands to wield is gonna be too big for man-sized Beastmen to use). So maybe remove those from the entity file?
A caste description would also be really helpful, as I had no idea what my beastmen were (as in gors, ungors, etc.)
So far so good though! Keep up the excellent work, gentlemen, and we will have ourselves a fleshed out and fully-realized mod in no time!
I've already made a new version that fixes the caste descriptions and such. I belived, however, that they would be able to wield those weapons. Not a problem, however. I do remember them having axes last time I tested, however. The entity file was mostly the dwarf entity file with a few modifications. What I want to know is why beastmen are hostile to chaos warriors.
Post by: mrtspence on October 03, 2011, 12:33:22 pm
It would be cool if we could get the chaos forces allied correctly. Could lead to some cool stuff in legends mode and some cooler stuff once the army arc comes around!
Post by: Teneb on October 03, 2011, 12:44:39 pm
EDIT: on the topic of greenskins, we could just leave them genderless and child-less and have them rely on migrants in fort mode. Removing the [CHILD:X] an [BABY:Y] tags and adding [NO_GENDER] should do the trick
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 03, 2011, 01:13:45 pm
Here's the base raws. The creature is only a slightly modified ratman, but the civilization is pretty much built from scratch.
Spoiler: creature_skaven (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: entity_skaven (click to show/hide)
Here's the plan for each clan, as of right now:
Spoiler: Clan Skyre (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Clan Pestilens (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Clan Moulder (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Clan Eshin (click to show/hide)
Post by: Black_Legion on October 03, 2011, 01:49:22 pm
I think what causes them to be hostile is that beastmen eat corpses of the dead and consider just about everything in the ethics "acceptable". Some testing may be required.
EDIT: on the topic of greenskins, we could just leave them genderless and child-less and have them rely on migrants in fort mode. Removing the [CHILD:X] an [BABY:Y] tags and adding [NO_GENDER] should do the trick
Will having the greenskins genderless and unable to make children allow them to survive worldgen and receive migrants? I though the Male/Female tags and children were mandatory for survival. If it isn't then that would solve most of fluff issues with them. If we need to I'm okay with having snotlings as their children which can grow into either orcs or goblins. Of course with night goblins that wouldn't be a problem. Is this possible?
Post by: Teneb on October 03, 2011, 03:06:48 pm
I think what causes them to be hostile is that beastmen eat corpses of the dead and consider just about everything in the ethics "acceptable". Some testing may be required.
EDIT: on the topic of greenskins, we could just leave them genderless and child-less and have them rely on migrants in fort mode. Removing the [CHILD:X] an [BABY:Y] tags and adding [NO_GENDER] should do the trick
Will having the greenskins genderless and unable to make children allow them to survive worldgen and receive migrants? I though the Male/Female tags and children were mandatory for survival. If it isn't then that would solve most of fluff issues with them. If we need to I'm okay with having snotlings as their children which can grow into either orcs or goblins. Of course with night goblins that wouldn't be a problem. Is this possible?
Children are not mandatory, according to the wiki. Regarding male and female tokens, you can simply make two castes with [POP_RATIO:0] and [MALE]/[FEMALE] and they'll survive. Make another one (or more) with [POP_RATIO:100] (unsure if it's necessary or not) and [NO_GENDER] for the playable ones. I'd rather have snotlings as pets than anything else. Also, will greenskins be considered [EVIL] or just [SAVAGE]?
Post by: mrtspence on October 03, 2011, 03:29:19 pm
I do have one big objection though, which is making skaven bigger than humans. As-is, skaven slaves are about 10 kilos bigger than a grown man, on average. I've always read that most skaven (especially slaves) are smaller than people. The exceptions to this, to my knowledge) are the Stormvermin and the bigger, meaner leaders (who are likely Stormvermin).
Maybe make slaves around 55000, clanrats at 65000 and stormvermin at 80000? Also, to make assassins better fighters without making them bigger (and unfluffy), you can just give them a higher base skill at combat skills, or better skill learning rates for the same.
To make them faster and more agile, you could put in the appropriate token and give them a more favourable range, so that that too lines up with the fluff.
Also, pop trigger 1 to start sieges would result in steel-wielding skaven laying waste to your colony of some 20-odd dwarves/whatevers before you could ever hope to muster an effective army, so maybe move that to 3 or 4? Just that they use good weapons (read steel) makes them really deadly as a baseline, but showing up early would result in many forts being killed within the first few months, which is likely not great.
Either way, just suggestions, but hopefully valid ones!
As to the Orcs, I personally don't mind female orks, as I know that it is just a temporary hurdle in accurately simulating our greenskins. At the same time, I could see migrants-only as a valid and fluffy way to swell their ranks with only one big intrinsic flaw existing, which is that more fighting = less migrants in DF, but more fighting should equal more migrants (as orks love to go where the best scraps are). So I could foresee there being an anemic ork horde if you are behaving in an orky fashion (as all the death from the fighting would stop the influx of migrants and they can't breed).
Post by: Karakzon on October 03, 2011, 03:38:14 pm
or have it so that snotlings are the breeders and child in one, that then turn into goblins or orcs later on?
Unless of course you just gave lay eggs and call their egg a fungal growth sack, when snotlings, then have them change to male when they turn goblin and stay male when their orc.
Depends if you can do stage growths into different creature templates or not. may have to wait for the next release for it.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 03, 2011, 04:50:05 pm
Looking good, Crazy Cow. I like your plans greatly.
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Either way, just suggestions, but hopefully valid ones!
That's the reason I'm posting my WIPs here, so that people can make suggestions like this. Most of the points you make are, indeed, valid, except for the assassins. If they start with higher skills, then they might be better at first, but it would be trivial to simply train slaves up to similar levels, removing the edge that assassins have. If they're larger, then they are better compared to the other Skaven without the risk of loosing their edge.
Post by: Black_Legion on October 03, 2011, 04:53:04 pm
Children are not mandatory, according to the wiki. Regarding male and female tokens, you can simply make two castes with [POP_RATIO:0] and [MALE]/[FEMALE] and they'll survive. Make another one (or more) with [POP_RATIO:100] (unsure if it's necessary or not) and [NO_GENDER] for the playable ones. I'd rather have snotlings as pets than anything else. Also, will greenskins be considered [EVIL] or just [SAVAGE]?
I would say savage. They simply like to fight and don't have understand the concept of "civilian". They don't have plans to turn the world to darkness they just want a good scrap. As far as siege progression goes they and beastmen should siege very early on as they are the most common threats. Night goblins seem to only have metallic weapons and use some chain mail and mostly leather for armor.
As the the 4 entities for Scaven I think by having each of the clans as a separate creature with different castses and then having those 4 creatures in the entity file upon worldgen one of those creatures is chosen to populate that civilization.
cant you make it so that say, snotlings are the child , goblins are the breeding age, then they mature into orcs?
or have it so that snotlings are the breeders and child in one, that then turn into goblins or orcs later on?
Unless of course you just gave lay eggs and call their egg a fungal growth sack, when snotlings, then have them change to male when they turn goblin and stay male when their orc.
Depends if you can do stage growths into different creature templates or not. may have to wait for the next release for it.
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As to the Orcs, I personally don't mind female orks, as I know that it is just a temporary hurdle in accurately simulating our greenskins. At the same time, I could see migrants-only as a valid and fluffy way to swell their ranks with only one big intrinsic flaw existing, which is that more fighting = less migrants in DF, but more fighting should equal more migrants (as orks love to go where the best scraps are). So I could foresee there being an anemic ork horde if you are behaving in an orky fashion (as all the death from the fighting would stop the influx of migrants and they can't breed).
You are right about the migrant issue. Too many deaths would mean that your horde would find a shortage of boys... which for orcs is unthinkable, meaning that for most DF forts OnGs and Night gobs would rely on their own birth rates to fight a battle of attrition. I like the idea as snotlings as children but Deathsword's idea of them as pets (which is what they are in the fluff... and snack as well) works and is fluffy. The egg idea may work but its just damn silly to think of a goblin claiming a nest box and before you know it you have a boincing box-o-snotlings... then again OnG's are the comic relief in Warhammer. I really wish we had a building where we could produce creatures. That would solve most, if not, all of the greenskins breeding issues. We may just have to settle for "male" and "female" greenskins just with high birth rates and short childhoods. We really could go either way with this. Any suggestions or thoughts? I'm up for anything as we could always change it to make more sense later.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 03, 2011, 07:04:38 pm
Post by: Black_Legion on October 03, 2011, 07:19:41 pm
Hey, I just have a quick fluff question. Do the Skaven have an "empire," "kingdom," or something else? I'm referencing it in some of the Skaven stuff and want to use the proper term. I'm nitpicky like that :p
They have what is known as the "Under-empire" ruled by the council of thirteen, a group of 12 grey seers (goat-horned spellcasting scaven) with the 13th seat reserved for their god the Horned Rat.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 03, 2011, 07:22:42 pm
EDIT:
Clan Eshin has been completed! I'm still open to suggestions and such, of course, so if something's wrong let me know. The errorlog didn't spit anything out at me, but you never know.
Spoiler: creature_skaven_eshin (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: entity_skaven_eshin (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: body_skaven (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: item_skaven (click to show/hide)
Post by: mrtspence on October 03, 2011, 08:04:27 pm
Also, that seems like a pretty good reason to make assassins bigger, and that is a reasonable size too. Definitely approved!
And I really think we should just bite the bullet and put in female orks. Migrants-only would lead to puny forts. We want orks to breed and mature in like a year so that there can be forts of hundreds. When I play with them, I will put my brand new PC to the test with forts of 500 skaven and orks. There will be epic battles where the chaos horde invades and are just barely beaten back at the cost of two hundred skaven slaves and a hundred storm vermin. I want the same for orks too! It's exciting just thinking about it!
On another note, just started my first Bretonnian fort. Started with a nice distribution of castes and am creating a massive farm plot and pasture for sheep, all to be fenced in with a wooden bailey. Looking great so far!
Related to the Bretonnians, I almost wanna make the night kinda like a centaur--as in he/she would be born on horseback and the horse would be considered the same creature. Would be kinda cool and could hold us over until mounts work.
Post by: Black_Legion on October 03, 2011, 08:49:03 pm
Post by: Black_Legion on October 03, 2011, 11:10:55 pm
Post by: mrtspence on October 04, 2011, 09:15:15 am
Also, my Brettonian settlement was almost wiped out by damned dark stranglers finding a way over my wall, but has now stabilized with a fixed wall.
Post by: Teneb on October 04, 2011, 02:46:11 pm
...well, I'll do that after some bugfixing on the beastmen.
EDIT: compared beastmen and chaos warrior ethics. I think what is causing them to war are these tokens:
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:LYING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
(chaos warrior)
[ETHIC:TREASON:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:LYING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:THEFT:ACCEPTABLE]
(beastmen)
considering how chaos is (as far as I know), I don't know why they'd punish vandalism, lying and oath-breaking.
EDIT 2: Also, I am quite sure at least bestigors and centigors can wield the chaos weapons, since they are bigger than a human, especially the centigor.
Post by: mrtspence on October 04, 2011, 05:18:21 pm
Going to make the night goblins have "males" and "females" then. I guess we should call babies "whelps" or "runts".
...well, I'll do that after some bugfixing on the beastmen.
EDIT: compared beastmen and chaos warrior ethics. I think what is causing them to war are these tokens:
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:LYING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
(chaos warrior)
[ETHIC:TREASON:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:LYING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:THEFT:ACCEPTABLE]
(beastmen)
considering how chaos is (as far as I know), I don't know why they'd punish vandalism, lying and oath-breaking.
EDIT 2: Also, I am quite sure at least bestigors and centigors can wield the chaos weapons, since they are bigger than a human, especially the centigor.
Well, the reasoning is that Chaos Warriors come from functional, fairly civil societies (a-la the vikings) whilst Beastmen are a collection of savage creatures that have little resemblance to humans.
The Chaos Humans (the Northmen) make settlements in other lands, participate in trade, and are capable of functioning as a developed entity (ergo the nice armour and weapons they have the Chaos Dwarfs make for them). They just happen to be evil and invade the lands of the soft southerners once a sufficiently powerful warlord can get them going. For such a society to exist, they'd have to have some basics down. The Mongols were a mighty civilization hellbent on dominating the entire known world, known for ruthless warfare and atrocities, yet they still had these same basic ethics in place. That being said, the Chaos Humans are still really nasty to their enemies and neutrals, commit lots of atrocities, and love to be fighting--so they are still evil. It's also worth pointing out that they only get punished for things they are caught doing...
Beastmen are a lot less civilized. They don't have cities, they don't engage in trade, etc. So as it is (in the DF system) we cannot really obey the ethical considerations set out in the fluff and expect them to get along. There is no way to make all evil societies get along (and I'm very sure that in the fluff there is mention of Warriors of Chaos fighting Beastmen, they only get along when the aforesaid Warleader can keep them all in line together, so it makes sense then too) and until such a feature is implemented, they may just keep fighting each other.
Also, it is likely that Bestigors and Centigors can get big enough to wield the Chaos Weapons. As long as they can get above 100500 in size, they should be good to go (number is off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure that's the right ballpark).
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 05, 2011, 07:04:05 am
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Post by: mrtspence on October 05, 2011, 11:18:27 am
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 05, 2011, 11:22:46 am
Right... mace weapon made from warpstone. Will do.
Post by: mrtspence on October 05, 2011, 07:40:28 pm
Out of nowhere, I get the message saying that Zilta Boundrelic, a Juggernaut of Khorne had arrived (a semimegabeast) and it began a rampage of pure carnage through the besieging ranks. It sent one beakwolf sailing 12 tiles to slam into a wall, bursting on impact. All the attacks directed towards it glanced away harmlessly. A dozen dead enemies later, its only wounds were shattered eyes and incredible exhaustion. I look forward to it's fights against better armed opponents and, later, against my Brettonians, who shall try and slay the fell beast in the name of the Lady!
EDIT: Well, as it is blind, the Juggernaut stumbles drunkenly after a wave of migrants, only catching them after a siege arrived (which it massacred as they foolishly got within the reach of its deadly horn) and scared them into a corner. One of the bastards tried to be brave and punched its hoof (to no effect) and was promptly put to the ground and gored to death. It also managed to kick a different migrant in the head, shattering his skull but luckily not killing him.
As the migrants have been outside for so long, constantly fleeing the beast, they are very drowsy, dehydrated, starving, and very unhappy. They are gonna make some mean ghosts...
EDIT 2: All of the migrants just died of terrible thirst. And another Juggernaut just showed up. This one is named Tamer Faithhook and is not crippled by a lack of eyes. I fear for the future of this fort...
EDIT 3: Another wave of migrants was brutally slaughtered by this newest Juggernaut. I'm half expecting another of the daemons to arrive this next year xD
Post by: Krantz86 on October 06, 2011, 12:58:32 pm
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btw, soon-to-release(when i get a spare hour) changes in dwarves:
-Ironbreaker armor(can be made only with gromril has Wonderful coverage)
-Gunpodwer barrel - import only from mountainhomes (working on the explosive part)
-Small steam engine
-remove sword,lances from dwarves since those weapons are too wimpy
Post by: Black_Legion on October 06, 2011, 01:14:57 pm
Chaos Dwarves:
Entity: 80% - Needs buildings and reactions
Creature: 80% - Bull Centaurs bug fixing to do. Should they have Hobgoblins?
Custom Materials: 0% Needs Chaos Iron/Steel and Obsidian Guard Armors plus sacrifical altar for the production of chaos armor/weapons
Orcs n' Common Goblins:
Entity: 0% - Waiting for Chaos dwarfs to be done. Would be very similar to night goblins
Creature: 20% Orcs done, needs gobs (from night goblins), and squigs/snotlings for pets
Custom Materials: 0% Needs Black Iron material, Slag material, and Slag Pit building
That should cover my end
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 06, 2011, 01:37:44 pm
Post by: mrtspence on October 06, 2011, 03:00:02 pm
Basically done. Just continuing to add cool stuff as it comes up. May even remove the beta tag in a release or two.
Also, Black Legion, for consistency and convenience, you could use the Blood Iron and the Blood Steel in my mod. They function as heavier versions of Steel and Adamantine respectively. I'd love it if you came up with your own reactions to make them though, as I feel that the sacrifice rituals for Warriors of Chaos are kinda unique and fun. Although I'm not familiar with Chaos Dwarves very much, so if they would fluff-wise be doing that sort of thing, then by all means take the reactions too!
Post by: Teneb on October 06, 2011, 03:30:41 pm
Night Goblin base creature is mostly complete. Squigs only have the basic stuff, still making their bodies. Still haven't made snotlings.
Any suggestions on the effects of gas squig attack/death explosion? Nausea, blisters or something else?
Post by: mrtspence on October 06, 2011, 10:35:19 pm
Post by: Shintaro Fago on October 07, 2011, 04:53:02 am
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Related to the Bretonnians, I almost wanna make the night kinda like a centaur--as in he/she would be born on horseback and the horse would be considered the same creature. Would be kinda cool and could hold us over until mounts work.The best idea ever.
Post by: Funk on October 07, 2011, 11:47:19 am
i thinking that we can make mutant/ wraped creature fun by makeing some bodys and parts parts for sub types
Post by: Teneb on October 07, 2011, 12:25:16 pm
Deathsword, if you don't mind for the next release, I would love to make some reactions, or help you make some reactions, unique to the beastmen. I think it would be pretty cool if we could develop them some of their own character, as I feel my Chaos Warrior stuff doesn't quite do them the same justice. We could throw stuff out here or via pm. Just let me know what you think!
The main reason I'm using the ones from the warriors is that I'm out of ideas regarding workshops/reactions that yours don't cover.
Unrelated question: what daemons have you modded in yet?
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 07, 2011, 12:49:22 pm
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What blasphemy is this? Two updates in a single post!
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Post by: Crazy Cow on October 07, 2011, 02:38:49 pm
The Skaven, unlike most other races, continue to grow in numbers, and new settlements are always being founded. Each of the four most powerful Skaven clans - Eshin, Moulder, Pestilens, and Skyre - are constantly founding new settlements... which is where you come in.
Clan Eshin is one focused on stealth and secrecy. Their gutter runners and assassins are unmatched in the arts of infiltration and death, and can more than hold thier own in a straight fight.
Clan Moulder undergoes constant experimentation to create new breeds of monsters to aid them in battle. The giant rats and rat ogres are some of the more common results of those experements, and as such make up a good part of Clan Moulder's population.
Clan Pestilens has powers over death and disease, spreading it to all they can. Plague Monks fight tooth and claw, infecting thier opponents with every strike, while Plague Priests, weilding the fearsome plague censers, spread their 'gifts' to all around them.
Clan Skyre is made of mechanics and alchemists that are constantly creating new technologies. Thier warplock jezzails and warprifles are some of the most powerful ranged weapons in the world, built and maintained by warlock engineers and carried into battle by clanrat warriors.
All Skaven technologies are powered by warpstones, gems of power that can be found only in tiny amounts. Creating any of their advanced weapons requires an Alchemechanics Workshop, metal bars, and many, many raw warpstones. Should you be on the recieving end of any of these weapons, you should fear for your life.
Contains four new entities, each of which is a varient of the Skaven. Skaven will wage war on any non-theif race, and while they are weaker than the average human their many uncommon castes can easily make up for their lack of strength. No default files will be replaced by installing the mod, and to remove it simply delete any file with Skaven in its name.
Created for the Warhammer Community Mod by Crazy Cow.
Download v1.0 here! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5028)
Post by: Teneb on October 07, 2011, 05:53:57 pm
EDIT: for some reason they aren't playable. Maybe it's the thief token?
EDIT 2: I think this token: [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CAVE] might be the one causing the problem. I'll try to change it to mountain halls instead and see what happens
EDIT 3: changing it to [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CAVE_DETAILED] has made them playable. One suggestion, however. Change the name in the creatures to [NAME:<clan> skaven:(etc)], for they all appear as skaven on embark, making it impossible to tell wich clan it is. Also, why is there a non-clan skaven entity?
EDIT 4: genned world, embarked as skyre, got an blue stuff spire embark. five spires to be extact, tallest is 5-z levels tall (above surface level). Underground is mostly normal, aside from lack of SMR in certain areas. Should I upload it? No axes on embark for some reason.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 07, 2011, 10:40:48 pm
Those non-clan Skaven are the template I based the actual clans off of. Thanks for your testing, Deathsword; I'll put an update up here in a minute.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 08, 2011, 12:40:51 pm
Download v1.1 here! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5037)
EDIT:
Oh, I didn't need to create a whole new page for the update. Ah well.
Post by: Wannazzaki on October 08, 2011, 01:04:19 pm
Post by: Wannazzaki on October 08, 2011, 01:43:58 pm
Hey, I just have a quick fluff question. Do the Skaven have an "empire," "kingdom," or something else? I'm referencing it in some of the Skaven stuff and want to use the proper term. I'm nitpicky like that :p
Incidentally skaven refer to their nation as the under-empire, directly bastardising the empire above they dispise and tend to actually ape and pretend-human. Its all very hypocritical. Incidentally what is being done about skryre's more amusing contraptions? Doomwheels, warplightning cannons? Thise moves me tangentally onto Moulder. Warpstone soap. Allows you to glue body parts from the remains/waste stockpiles back on. Any will do. S'how they make their mutants. I wonder if i skipped any comments on this through the thread? I did try and spot some.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 08, 2011, 01:47:11 pm
Post by: Wannazzaki on October 08, 2011, 01:49:50 pm
The problem is that most of that is impossible to do in DF's engine. Once the next update rolls around, Moulder can use warpstones to turn their Skaven into various monsters, but that will be it, I'm afraid.
It was more of an idea than insisting it be done, being an utter modding noob im not sure what IS possible. Though i do have a useful encyclopedia of pointless warhammer fluff squatting on my brain if anybody needs anything.
Post by: Krantz86 on October 08, 2011, 02:02:00 pm
PS:mrtspence i keep seeing dozen of typos in the chaos warrior raws, can you fix them in the next release please?
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Edit: done some testing... seems that the skaven have nearly 100% prob. of wiping out dwarves from mountains
Post by: Karakzon on October 08, 2011, 02:47:16 pm
Would also be good if you could modd in historical figures like Gotrex and Felix.
Post by: Wannazzaki on October 08, 2011, 03:04:19 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 08, 2011, 03:12:44 pm
Post by: Wannazzaki on October 08, 2011, 03:44:02 pm
Post by: Teneb on October 08, 2011, 07:05:38 pm
Post by: mrtspence on October 08, 2011, 10:42:58 pm
well guys i don't have 'nought time to ddeply test all the changes so i'll just upload the last version the skaven
PS:mrtspence i keep seeing dozen of typos in the chaos warrior raws, can you fix them in the next release please?they won't bother the play very much but now i don't have the time to fix 'em myselfSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: done some testing... seems that the skaven have nearly 100% prob. of wiping out dwarves from mountains
Ya, the definition of some of those tokens changed and there is an issue with eyebrows on some creatures, or something to that effect, but they have literally 0 impact on any in-game anything, so they are lower on my list for fixing/improving things. I am also quite busy too, so I just seem to be having difficulty motivating myself to groom the raws for non-functional issues. I will remove these as I come across them for future patches though!
Deathsword, I feel like most of the Beastmen changes I would propose would be cosmetic. I would likely just remake the Great Altar to look like a big, bloodied slab of rock. I would also suggest instead of letting them use Blood Iron/Blood Steel/Chaos God Weaponry giving them some way to make a somewhat-inferior material from bones or something. I feel like Beastmen shouldn't be rocking around in suits of the finest armour, I've always seen them as a ravening horde armoured in bones and scraps wielding crude and brutal weapons. Just my humble opinion though, so don't rush to change anything as they are very functional as-is :D
Post by: Shintaro Fago on October 09, 2011, 05:15:25 am
(http://gmclan.org/uploader/4365/bears.png)
Also, there should be (clanless?) skavens lurking in the underground and waiting for the poor miners. A constant threat from the beginning seems like a proper grimdark idea.
Post by: Teneb on October 09, 2011, 09:41:43 am
Also, there should be (clanless?) skavens lurking in the underground and waiting for the poor miners. A constant threat from the beginning seems like a proper grimdark idea.
Replace kobolds with clanless skaven/goblins/both, maybe?
I'll try and start working on a way to make a "reinforced bone 'bar'" then. Or a workshop that let's you turn metal bars into "scrap metal" bars. Or something.
Post by: Karakzon on October 09, 2011, 11:34:07 am
or will they just be a skulking race that can talk?
Post by: Stronghammer on October 14, 2011, 07:35:30 am
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OMG BY THE BEARD OF ARMOK, those juggernats of korne are BRUTAL, came in and tore off the right hand, then arm, then right leg of my dwarf Hammerlord with full iron armour, thank god for slayers or i would be toast.
Have to say LOTS of FUN
Post by: Mech#4 on October 15, 2011, 09:03:05 am
How can I tell/choose what race I start out with? Do I have to add the [CIV_CONTROLLABLE] tag in the raws, or can I choose from the embark screen?
I see one panel called Civilization in the embark screen, but I can't tell which civilisation is which.
Post by: Stronghammer on October 15, 2011, 10:51:02 am
Post by: Mech#4 on October 15, 2011, 11:08:46 am
Keep up the good work, I like the sound of sacrificing minions to gain better armour and weapons.
Post by: Shintaro Fago on October 16, 2011, 03:57:25 am
(http://gmclan.org/uploader/4365/bretonnian_fort.png)
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Post by: Karakzon on October 16, 2011, 06:30:45 am
Post by: Teneb on October 16, 2011, 09:25:14 am
Post by: Shintaro Fago on October 16, 2011, 10:31:33 am
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Post by: Krantz86 on October 16, 2011, 11:07:50 am
....I have to say slayers are awesome...
Have to say LOTS of FUN
;D
Post by: Stronghammer on October 16, 2011, 07:26:27 pm
Edit: Scratch my previous assumption, i tried removing the skaven entity, yet the dwarfs did still not show up. Im thinking something may be wrong with the dwarf entries. However the errorlog does not have anything about the dwarves. So long story short dwarfs dont show up, dont know why but ill keep lookin.
EditEdit: Did some research by looking through legends. It seems the dwarfs arent being placed to even die out, so am convinced that it is something to do with the dwarf raws. Sorry for being a pest, i will do more searching.
Post by: Teneb on October 17, 2011, 03:18:46 pm
Still thinkering with reactions (with wich I am not exceptionally good at) so no night goblins or beastmen updates right now.
Post by: Krantz86 on October 21, 2011, 05:39:23 am
since updating my version to include the newest version i dont seem to be able to gen a world with dwarves in it. I think it might have to do with the skaven taking over the mountians.
Edit: Scratch my previous assumption, i tried removing the skaven entity, yet the dwarfs did still not show up. Im thinking something may be wrong with the dwarf entries. However the errorlog does not have anything about the dwarves. So long story short dwarfs dont show up, dont know why but ill keep lookin.
EditEdit: Did some research by looking through legends. It seems the dwarfs arent being placed to even die out, so am convinced that it is something to do with the dwarf raws. Sorry for being a pest, i will do more searching.
i checked all, and now seems to be fixed, i finally extracted dwarves and managed to fix some little critical yet dumb problems, also i added the small dwarven outposts that can be found in the old world, please tell me if you find more bugs
Post by: Stronghammer on October 21, 2011, 09:20:13 am
Edit: Hey i dont know if this is intended or not, the dwarves are nolonger able to make breastplates, yet the runic breastplate reaction still calls for it.
Post by: Krantz86 on October 23, 2011, 06:21:29 am
Edit: Hey i dont know if this is intended or not, the dwarves are nolonger able to make breastplates, yet the runic breastplate reaction still calls for it.
i tested just now and it seems fine, also in the last release i've added the Ironbreaker armor to dwarves (WAY more coverage than a breastplate)
Post by: Shintaro Fago on October 23, 2011, 06:54:06 am
Post by: Krantz86 on October 23, 2011, 09:18:46 am
Post by: Stronghammer on October 23, 2011, 09:52:25 am
Edit: Dont know if this is intentional but skaven dont have a way of chopping down trees, currently am skyre and dont have axes or something that does the same thing.
Edit: The skaven rifles dont appear to be able to be made, they dont show up in the alchemecanics workshop, and its not because i dont have the matierials, as the plague censer shows up but in red. I checked the raws and the Skaven do have the reaction to create the rifles in their premitted reaction yet it is not available for embark, creation, trade, or even in the testing arena.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 23, 2011, 10:15:55 am
Forgot that :p I'll get a quickfix out with a weaker axe for woodcutting.
Post by: Stronghammer on October 28, 2011, 10:16:46 pm
Edit: i think i found a bug. I went to trade with the bretonians and one of their foodstuffs was humans lol um dont know why but ya.
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4975/humanfood.png)
Loving the Ironbreaker armour as it really did make my dabbling warrior survive the battle with the elf spearman, without a scratch i might add.
Post by: Krantz86 on October 31, 2011, 10:27:26 am
http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Ironbreaker
Post by: Stronghammer on October 31, 2011, 07:16:23 pm
Post by: Teneb on November 01, 2011, 11:21:59 am
Yay things were going great until a gor came and stoved the head of my ironbreaker in.
Hooray! Fun for everyone.
I was worried about beastmen for a moment, considered the nearly always get wiped out (or get very close to) in my worldgens
Post by: Azkanan on November 01, 2011, 11:33:00 am
Post by: SDood on November 03, 2011, 02:48:36 pm
Post by: Shintaro Fago on November 04, 2011, 10:07:43 am
(http://gmclan.org/uploader/4365/castle.png)
Post by: SDood on November 04, 2011, 03:31:31 pm
-A playable Warhammer Dark elf race
-7 custom castes including the Naggaroth Black Guard,the fearsome Witch elfs of Khaine,and the gruesome Druchii Executioners
-Two custom creatures,the highborn favored Cold ones,and the destructive War Hydra
-Druchii weapons and armor
Its fairly fully featured for a 0.1 release i didn't get around to making any custom buildings or reactions yet,there aren't any errors in the errorlog for it which is good.I am new to modding this being my first mod,so i am still learning.
Alot of testing and fine tuning needs to be done so consider this a beta.
Any help will be much appreciated,thanks everyone :D
Post by: Teneb on November 04, 2011, 03:53:23 pm
If so, it's because forest retreats, dark fortresses and mountain halls do not currently exist, so adventurers spawn in cities of other races, if they are a non-city civ.
Post by: trees on November 04, 2011, 04:07:39 pm
I am not going to even pretend to be familiar with the Warhammer universe at all. However, I was very interested in some of the things going on in this thread so I thought I'd checked it out. There are quite a few bugs in the dffd package on the front page, and I thought I might as well fix them because I like this project and wanted to help out a bit. At the very least, this should now return a clean errorlog.
The download can be found here (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5141). It only includes the edited files.
Things fixed:
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Post by: Teneb on November 04, 2011, 04:14:48 pm
EDIT: Nurglings with brass tendons?
Post by: trees on November 04, 2011, 04:17:29 pm
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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:INORGANIC:BRASS]so I just corrected that to actually work.Post by: SDood on November 04, 2011, 04:36:45 pm
Are your dark elfs assigned to forest retreats, dark fortresses or mountain halls (in entity file)?
If so, it's because forest retreats, dark fortresses and mountain halls do not currently exist, so adventurers spawn in cities of other races, if they are a non-city civ.
Yes they are set to dark fortresses,thanks so much ill have that fixed in the next version.
thanks for the bugfixes tree's.
I released the first version of the High Elves here http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5143
Features
-Warhammer High Elf Race
-Asur weapons and armor
This is more or less a placeholder for the High Elf race at the moment,and replaces the generic elves with the included new default entity file.
Im going to start to add more basic non playable races to get them started and in game,hopefully it will motivate others to work on them. :)
Released the first version of the Wood Elves here http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5144
Features
-Warhammer Wood Elf Race.
-Asrai weapons and armor
is more or less like the High Elves release though i have tweaked the entity's to make them like Wood Elves.
Released the first version of the Norse from Norsca here http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5147
-Minor race the Norse from Norsca
-Norse weapons and armor
This is more or less a placeholder for the Norse race at the moment,unique castes and creatures still need to be added.
Released the first version of The Empire here http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5148
Features
-Race the Empire of Man
again like the other three this is more or less a placeholder for the Empire race includes,Reikspiel (german) language and changes to make the humans more imperial like.Still needs custom weapons,armor,items,creatures,castes.
Includes new entity_default file which deletes the generic humans as The Empire replaces them,also has the generic elves deleted as this is to be used with the High Elf mod and the other Warhammer mods.
I think that's enough for today ;D i'll still be working on getting all major and minor races ingame to some extent.Now time to go dine on some High Elf bones.
Post by: SDood on November 06, 2011, 12:19:57 pm
features
-Chaos Dwarf Race
-Dawi zharr weapons and armor
this is more or less a placeholder for the Chaos Dwarf race still needs more custom castes and creatures.
Post by: Teneb on November 06, 2011, 12:24:13 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on November 06, 2011, 02:18:13 pm
EDIT: a little issue with shields: wooden "iron talon shield" at carpenter's workshop
Post by: SDood on November 06, 2011, 02:40:03 pm
As far as I am aware, the Chaos Dwarfs are being worked on by someone else, who is also making stuff such as hobgoblins and living siege engines. Check back the thread a bit.
Awesome, i didn't know that.I need to get to testing the dark elves more as that is the only one i've released thats playable and try and add upon that and fix bugs.Any help will be appreciated thanks everyone im still learning.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 06, 2011, 03:38:47 pm
now the evil spawn of Naggaroth will haunt your children nightmares
just one thing, guys please add a README in your releases
Post by: SDood on November 06, 2011, 06:07:52 pm
added SDood's Dark Elves to the main (plus trees fixes)
now the evil spawn of Naggaroth will haunt your children nightmares
just one thing, guys please add a README in your releases
Okay ill add a readme with some information about the castes and creatures with the next release on the Dark Elves.I need to figure out how to add buildings now,i demand Druchii torture chambers.
Post by: Black_Legion on November 06, 2011, 09:23:36 pm
As far as I am aware, the Chaos Dwarfs are being worked on by someone else, who is also making stuff such as hobgoblins and living siege engines. Check back the thread a bit.
As far as I am aware, the Chaos Dwarfs are being worked on by someone else, who is also making stuff such as hobgoblins and living siege engines. Check back the thread a bit.
Awesome, i didn't know that.I need to get to testing the dark elves more as that is the only one i've released thats playable and try and add upon that and fix bugs.Any help will be appreciated thanks everyone im still learning.
Feel free to work on the Chaos Dwarves, I haven't been able to get much work done because my university is currently in midterm mode, I only just got done with that stretch of !!FUN!!. The hobgoblins need some work, essentially the creature file is done but I don't have a way to integrate them into the CD population and still keep the "slave race" feel. The living siege engine is about half done and I'll continue to bust it out now that I don't have to worry about midterms.
I have Bull Centaurs and hoofed Dwarves done but I am lacking Sorcerers and Lammasu. This is in part because I think the interaction system would work well. I'll post my work if you want.
Post by: trees on November 06, 2011, 09:47:03 pm
The hobgoblins need some work, essentially the creature file is done but I don't have a way to integrate them into the CD population and still keep the "slave race" feel.
The closest thing you can get to this is to make them like trolls are with goblins - give the hobgoblins [CAN_LEARN] and [SLOW_LEARNER] and an appropriate biome for the chaos dwarves to get them from (like [EVIL] if the chaos dwarf entity has [USE_EVIL_ANIMALS]) and they'll drag them along, unarm(or)ed, in squads for sieges.
That might have some weird effects in fort mode, though, I think they'd be like tigermen and just eat your food and become mayor without doing any work.
Post by: Black_Legion on November 06, 2011, 10:20:57 pm
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Thanks, I hope maybe with some clever effort with burrows you may be able to provide a first line of defense with a hobgoblin warren outside their fortress. I think DF Therapist or a related tool may allow you full membership and functionality though. It's not ideal as I'd rather the mode be reliant on its own resources...
Post by: Krantz86 on November 07, 2011, 04:34:28 pm
ps: he died shortly after from blood loss sadly (or luckly)
PPS: even if they need some fixes thumb up for DE
testing finished, i will not add placeholders to the main (balancing issues) but i'll post a link to them in the main page
Post by: SDood on November 08, 2011, 12:07:18 am
got the first dark elven siege, 22 elves down vs 6 losses 4 slayers (no plated armor) and 2 Ironbreakers, a Hell of a fight with Urist McSlayer killing the last two elves by slicing their throat with his theets after losing both arms!
ps: he died shortly after from blood loss sadly (or luckly)
PPS: even if they need some fixes thumb up for DE
testing finished, i will not add placeholders to the main (balancing issues) but i'll post a link to them in the main page
Thanks that was my first mod i'll release a new update after i add more,fix bugs and do more testing.I agree with the placeholders i released them in case someone else wanted to work on them i plan to finish the High Elves after i get the Dark Elves where i want them,then move on to the Wood Elves.I'm busy with school but i'll do what i can.
You sound like your doing an amazing job Black_Legion you could upload your work if you want but i wont be able to work on it anytime soon,it's going to be awesome when you finish it.
Post by: Light forger on November 08, 2011, 12:51:09 am
Post by: SDood on November 08, 2011, 01:25:00 am
I'm willing to take a crack at making lizardmen if any of you want to add them to this mod.
That would be amazing if you could make lizardmen. :D
I ended up finishing the Norse race so i removed it from placeholder here http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5147
Features:
-Tribes of Norsca race
-Norse weapons and armor
-Three custom castes norse warriors,berserkers and shield maidens
They are non playable like Beastmen and should prove a lot of fun as attackers.Also i removed the Chaos Dwarf placeholder.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 08, 2011, 12:55:34 pm
also i changed the names of some alchoolic beverages so that other races can produce "cave Beer" insted of Dwarven beer, i'll upload it separately as optional file
here the link
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tell me what you think, also i'm planning to expand the vanilla plants with the in/famous plants of warhammer that are truly needed:
for now: the Mad Cap fungus
Post by: Karakzon on November 08, 2011, 03:17:14 pm
I would like to see the tree kin and so forth. i know their was an old reference of a dying out race of Treeblood ent things that the norse would fight.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 08, 2011, 05:40:52 pm
PS: i need suggestion on more content for the dwarves, except for gunpowder (which i would wait to add until the empire get out to avoid confilcts)
so everyone please post suggestions
Post by: SDood on November 08, 2011, 05:53:45 pm
Sdood said it will begin working at Wood elves after he's done with the other kind, so you'll have to wait to see forest dwellers
PS: i need suggestion on more content for the dwarves, except for gunpowder (which i would wait to add until the empire get out to avoid confilcts)
so everyone please post suggestions
Hey Krantz i can start working on the Empire next if you need me to get it out i already have a general idea on the new castes and weapons and armor to add wont have any gunpowder units yet of course but i can get it to a early state like the Dark Elves.Not exactly sure when i'm going to finish it but i can probably get out the first version this week or the next.
New Warhammer plants sounds great.
And Karakzon yeah i plan on getting the first version of the Wood Elves out sometime in the near future after i finish High Elves unless someone else wants to tackle it.
I released a small update to the Norsca race updated it to 0.2a just has some various small fixes and changes.
The Dark Elves are going really well and i will probably release v0.2 this weekend i'm real happy with it compared to v0.1 i just need to do a bit more with it.I have started to work on The Empire and have been making good progress on it the v0.2 release isn't too far away.
Post by: Black_Legion on November 10, 2011, 11:12:51 pm
Also I come bearing a gift of greenskins!
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I'm going to add Black Orcs as a rarer caste with good leadership, discipline, and focus thus making them ideal leaders and master crafters...
They also come with innate skills in armor and weapons meaning they will also be valued for being valuable soldiers.
I want to make sure I'm on the right track so far before I begin implementing the BO's and then move onto the entity file.
@Deathsword
How are the night Gob's coming? Would it be okay to include your goblins with the orcs to make them a proper Orcs and Goblins entity once you are done?
*PS: For Greenskin equipment there will be Choppas!
Post by: SDood on November 10, 2011, 11:26:41 pm
Post by: Shintaro Fago on November 11, 2011, 03:55:53 am
also, bretonnian castle:
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Further testing proved I will have to add peasant-exclusive weapons and stuff.
Post by: mpedroso on November 11, 2011, 04:38:11 am
New to the whole DF thing and a big fan of WHF, so you guys made my day! Don't know if I could help, but I would if I could.
All I have is knowledge of the fluff :(
But, again:
THANK YOU! you guys rock!
May the light of Sigmar shine upon you all (even on those ungodly Chaos things that keep attacking my fortresses)
(edit: some typos - I may left some, I'm sorry)
Post by: Krantz86 on November 11, 2011, 11:20:01 am
what do you think guys, approved?
PS: releasing new version soon NORSE added, small change to dwarves and adventurer (File Format insted KMOD KMOD_ADVENTURER and dwarfish files are now _DWARF)
and if they start working:
Rifles - Working fine Added
Throwing axes Chainfists - TEST FAILED: UNBALANCED Kraka Draka fans will have to wait
(more or less an axe with chain wrapped aroud the user's wrist you can SMASH or SPIN THE AXE in hth)
random artifact: raw adamantine axe
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Post by: SDood on November 11, 2011, 03:41:58 pm
I have been calling this mod Warhammer Fortress since i first started playing it so the name change is fine with me.
I released version 0.2 of the Dark Elves here YAY!! http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5139
I made a lot of changes to it compared to 0.1 so im fairly happy with it.
Features
-A playable Warhammer Dark elf race
-8 custom castes including the Naggaroth Black Guard,the fearsome Witch elves of Khaine,the gruesome Druchii Executioners,the Druchii corsair pirates,follower of Khaine disciples and the swift and silent Druchii Shades.
-Three custom creatures,the highborn favored Cold ones,the destructive War Hydra,and the tormenting Druchii harpy.
-Druchii weapons and armor
Changelog:
0.2 added more castes and creatures.stat and balance changes.Many other misc changes.
I also released version 0.3 of the Norse race here http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5147
Changelog:
0.3 balanced stats and other misc changes.
I also released a bugfix for mrtspence's Forces of Chaos mod.There was an error with the female Khorne Champion caste that would make them be called nothings instead of their proper name.
Now i have to get back and finish The Empire..Will be out next week.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 11, 2011, 04:32:25 pm
EDIT: abovementioned updates included
EDIT2: i'm going to test how it is to swap Kobolds with Orcs
EDIT3: i'm trying to make a new race, savage orks not very competitive but full of bone and stone weapons
Post by: SDood on November 11, 2011, 06:39:11 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on November 11, 2011, 08:29:02 pm
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i had removed the rifles (you can build them only in the guild's workshop) and the absolutely unbalanced throwing axes, i'll fix it asap, tell me if you find more bugs
EDIT: uploaded the fixed version, please test again
Post by: SDood on November 11, 2011, 11:20:40 pm
Duplicate Object: building Guild_W
Duplicate Object: building RUNECRAFT_W
The optional plant file gives me these three errors:
GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE: Could not locate material template BREAD_TEMPLATE
GRASS_LONGLAND: Could not locate material template BREAD_TEMPLATE
VINE_WHIP: Could not locate material template BREAD_TEMPLATE
Other than that those are the only errors from the errorlog.Looking forward to trying the runecrafts and engineers guild,sounds awesome.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 13, 2011, 02:18:44 pm
Post by: Karakzon on November 13, 2011, 02:53:40 pm
could you update the front page to include a full file/list of the dl links for each civ of this mod when done?
ide love to test this all out, but like alot of people, im inherintly lazy so wouldnt want to peice together the mod from everyones posts.
bit of a bad statement considering i love your work, but it would be apreciated if you could acomidate the lazy perveiwer of these fourms.
Best regards, and with best wishes, Karakzon.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 13, 2011, 04:13:58 pm
so to install the FULL races just download it and place all the .txt files in your raws folder
EDIT:cleared in the main page
Post by: Karakzon on November 13, 2011, 04:31:40 pm
sorry ^^
Post by: SDood on November 13, 2011, 06:55:23 pm
i need someone to test the Savage ork's alpha, anyone interested?
Sure upload it and i'll give it a look.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 13, 2011, 07:02:55 pm
download link
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Post by: SDood on November 13, 2011, 09:23:59 pm
here they are, if they pass the test i'll add them
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On your entity file under translation you have it set to [TRANSLATION:Dwarfs] so you need to change it to [TRANSLATION:GOBLIN].That's the only problem i have run into so far.
Great job on the Orks Krantz it's nice to have some greenskins in the mod.Though like beastmen they tend to die out from starvation in anything other then very short worldgens.
Post by: Black_Legion on November 14, 2011, 12:09:31 am
Any word on the night goblin mod? I'd like to include the goblins as a creature in the entity file, specifically as a caste.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 14, 2011, 07:29:58 am
EDIT: i forgot, i've obtained the permission of Bdog to implement his useful loading station mod to the Total Conversion
link:
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Post by: Teneb on November 14, 2011, 09:49:32 am
How are the night Gob's coming? Would it be okay to include your goblins with the orcs to make them a proper Orcs and Goblins entity once you are done?
*PS: For Greenskin equipment there will be Choppas!
I have the creature RAW ready, but I've been unable to work on the other stuff (squigs) since I'm a bit busy trying to get into an university. If you want I could throw the RAWs here.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 14, 2011, 01:36:39 pm
after i finished the upgrade i'll release the Main veriosn update
EDIT: i just got a nice world from v.6 here a pic
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Post by: Black_Legion on November 14, 2011, 02:03:28 pm
How are the night Gob's coming? Would it be okay to include your goblins with the orcs to make them a proper Orcs and Goblins entity once you are done?
*PS: For Greenskin equipment there will be Choppas!
I have the creature RAW ready, but I've been unable to work on the other stuff (squigs) since I'm a bit busy trying to get into an university. If you want I could throw the RAWs here.
Sounds good, that hould help me get the entity file for the greenskins done. I just got past the massive hill of projects for my university so I can now have some time to work on a few mods till exams.
i tweaked a little the Savage Orks, also i have added Giant Boars to Evil Pets for them to raise, i'll release them soon, should i implement Massive Choppas as "top of art" weapon?
after i finished the upgrade i'll release the Main veriosn update
EDIT: i just got a nice world from v.6 here a picSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Krantz be careful about the spelling of the greenskins. Orc is the green fungoid creature what loves crumpin' things that exists in Warhammer Fantasy. Ork is a green fungoid creature existing in Warhammer 40k which loves more dakka!
Its a subtle but important difference!
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Post by: Krantz86 on November 14, 2011, 03:42:47 pm
quote "their brain got burned by south's sun"
EDIT: last time I played with greenskins Grimgor had 7A at 7Str and i think was about 2-3 edition ago
Post by: Teneb on November 14, 2011, 04:33:49 pm
Spoiler: Night Goblin RAW (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Incomplete Squig RAW (click to show/hide)
Post by: SDood on November 14, 2011, 07:52:46 pm
Features
-Playable Race the Empire of Man
-Eight custom castes including members of the Imperial greatswords,Imperial Knights,War Priests of Sigmar and Bright Wizards
-Custom creature the Mythical Pegasus
-Imperial weapons and armor
Includes new entity_default file which deletes the generic humans as The Empire replaces them.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 14, 2011, 08:50:52 pm
as for dwarves, check out the new superweapon, a Super Axe, yet VERY expensive to produce
Post by: Karakzon on November 15, 2011, 03:32:46 pm
new version out i was about to release 0.6 then Sdood came out with the empire.... so v0.7
as for dwarves, check out the new superweapon, a Super Axe, yet VERY expensive to produce
think youde be able to make metiorite iron pockets -star iron- for the all time dwarven super weapons? -Gotreks axe-
Post by: Krantz86 on November 15, 2011, 04:51:16 pm
EDIT:
*while typing about mining and weapons an idea struck this crazy dwarven fan*
...drills.... goblins....
*puts his hand together forming the "finger pyramid of evil contemplation"*
*open his worn dwarf armybook*
drills.... eheheh
Post by: XxPhogxX on November 15, 2011, 07:22:32 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on November 15, 2011, 07:56:34 pm
EDIT: btw plans for the future
DWARVES
- Weapons:
- Armors:
- Name Fixes:
- New Caste :
SAVAGE ORKs
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- Buildings Gork's or maybe Mork's Totem...
-reaction imbue weapons with Gork's or maybe Mork's power
Post by: Teneb on November 16, 2011, 01:55:48 pm
Axe -> Choppa
Sword -> Slasha (at least I think they call it like this)
Spear -> Stabba
Hammer/Mace -> Basha
don't know the names orcs/goblins give to ranged weapons.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 16, 2011, 02:44:24 pm
i imagine them building a Choppa like this
Axe -> pretty much already a choppa, probably they'll just add a "orchish touch"
Spears -> add a sharp rock and some wraps
Hammer -> just "hammer" your hammer to get a sharp side
crossbows/bows -> well they ARE nuts, but somehow they'll manage something
Post by: SDood on November 16, 2011, 04:47:40 pm
Post by: Teneb on November 16, 2011, 07:44:53 pm
Make a reaction to turn metal into "spiky bitz", then you can combine those with scavenged weapons to make them "orky".
Post by: SDood on November 17, 2011, 01:55:40 pm
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-Warhammer Wood Elf Race.
-Four custom castes including the Wood Elf Glade Guard and Spellsingers
-Two custom creatures the mighty forest spirit possessed Tree Kin and The Wood Elf flying mount the Warhawk
-Asrai weapons and armor
Includes new entity_default file that deletes the generic elves as the wood elves replace them,also has generic humans removed as this is to be used with the Warhammer Fortress mod.
I decided to make them non playable in fortress mode as i feel they work better that way.
Released Dark Elves version 0.3 here
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v0.3 many balance and error fixes.Changed descriptions for castes to be more recognizable special thanks to Deon for the idea.
On another note i'm going to be releasing updates for the races i've worked on and i'm going to finish the High Elf race.
Updated the Norse to version 0.4 here
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v0.4 stat balancing and error fixes.Added caste Huskarl,added creatures snow troll and war mammoth.changed language to Danish.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 17, 2011, 03:21:29 pm
elves added
some updates to dwarves and Orks
sorry but the norse will have to wait a little
Post by: SDood on November 18, 2011, 02:16:58 pm
New version released:
elves added
some updates to dwarves and Orks
sorry but the norse will have to wait a little
Thanks for the release Krantz nice updates on the Dwarves and Orks.The Wood Elves aren't actually included,and the Dark Elves are still at version 0.2 though the readme included is from 0.3 there is also a Empire changelog and a changelog_Chaos inside release folder.No biggie i don't expect you to make a new release right after every update you can add them whenever you feel appropriate.
Post by: mrtspence on November 18, 2011, 02:20:17 pm
Trees, thank you SO much for the typo fixes, those have been staring me in the face on my to-do list and I've been lacking the will to fix those forever :D. I'm crediting you on my next update, whenever that comes around! Can you pm me a link/post one to the changed RAWS so I can fully fix all the errors and put out an update, or is the stuff in your post way back on page 12 (or whatever it was) all we have?
I love how this is coming along. Very pleased to see all these new races!
I seem to have lost a lot of steam on my Lizardmen update and, as I didn't keep a to-do list, I am not exactly sure what my next step for that is.
That being said, I have all the basic casts (Saurus, Skink, Slann) done but with a ton of tweaking needed (I fear armour may not work too well at the moment as Slann are quite big--may make Slann smaller but just have huge weight variance, which I think should ensure success).
I think my next step is to properly add in the pet animals: I have kroxigor and seem to have frames for razordons, salamanders, stegadons, and carnosaurs.
I have a custom system of reactions set up to create the lizardmen's fabled obsinite metal, and was going to make it so that lizardmen could only make bone armour (as that's all they seem to wear--but sometimes with gold decorations).
I am also thinking of creating a new body template and tissue template to make lizardmen have incredibly thick scales, as they count as wearing heavy armour in the tabletop when buff naked!
Seem like the right direction to you guys?
I have only 2 more papers due in the next while before my finals, so I might have time to actually sit down and get most of this done!
Post by: SDood on November 18, 2011, 02:33:40 pm
Post by: mrtspence on November 19, 2011, 04:20:38 am
Welcome back mrtspence love your Chaos mod and the Lizardman one your making sounds great.The fixed raws for your chaos mod is inculude in Warhammer Fortress or here for trees fixes http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5141, i also fixed a small error,there was an error with the female Khorne Champion caste [CASTE:MALE_KHORNE_CHAMPION] [MALE] [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS] was included in the caste and it made them be called female nothings.
Haha! Good save! That one was really painfully noticeable once I actually noticed it. Clipped the extra facial hair insurance from the Male Khorne and Nurgle Champion class too. Don't remember adding that in as it literally accomplished nothing, and that it was only on 1/3rd of the male castes was amusing, but it didn't used to be there haha! Must have been a sloppy copy-and-paste from another one of my entries or something.
Thanks so much, Trees and Sdood. You have improved my mod appreciably with these corrections!
The new version (0.51b) is now up:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3612
Cheers! Hooray!
Post by: mrtspence on November 19, 2011, 02:14:53 pm
Pardon the double post, but it is enough new content that a bump is justified.
Literally just finished the 0.1 alpha of the Lizardmen mod and want to turn it over to you guys for bug testing/feedback/improvements/etc.
It can be found here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5194
It is likely to be lacking functionality in many respects (read: crippling bugs possibly), but it should provide a good framework for further improvement.
Cheers!
Post by: SDood on November 19, 2011, 04:17:06 pm
I've been busy!
Pardon the double post, but it is enough new content that a bump is justified.
Literally just finished the 0.1 alpha of the Lizardmen mod and want to turn it over to you guys for bug testing/feedback/improvements/etc.
It can be found here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5194
It is likely to be lacking functionality in many respects (read: crippling bugs possibly), but it should provide a good framework for further improvement.
Cheers!
Grats on the release mrtspence.I'm not sure why but the update you released for Chaos causes two new civilizations to spawn one named "forgotten beasts" and the other named "rat" i think it is caused by the duplicate nurgling file creature_nurgling as opposed to creature_nurgling_chaos which is the newer one i deleted the creature_nurgling file and i didnt have that error anymore.
Congrats on the lizardmen they are awesome!Though they do have errors like you said,no biggie.
Here is the errorlog with the older duplicate nurgling file removed and Lizardmen added.
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Post by: Krantz86 on November 19, 2011, 06:14:47 pm
..mmh i tested the liz, nice but a bit too much buggy, while playing with them at least, i'll add them at the main page under Optionals, i'll wait for a more stable beta for the main, still i understand that "bioengineering" is difficult and that creating a new race from scratch so don't take this as a offense, i know that they will be great as soon you work on them since you're a very talented modder mrtspence
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Thanks for the release Krantz nice updates on the Dwarves and Orks.The Wood Elves aren't actually included,and the Dark Elves are still at version 0.2 though the readme included is from 0.3 there is also a Empire changelog and a changelog_Chaos inside release folder.No biggie i don't expect you to make a new release right after every update you can add them whenever you feel appropriate.
I humbly apologize with every due respect for my error, it's just that i have 6 verions of DF installed and sometimes i screw thing bad.... really bad... working on fixes right now
EDIT: anyone has a suggestoin about new plants?
EDIT2: can orcs die of old age?
Post by: SDood on November 19, 2011, 11:30:39 pm
wow a lot of new stuff, i'll start working on adding new soon, i'm just trying to add a new tasty weapon...
..mmh i tested the liz, nice but a bit too much buggy, while playing with them at least, i'll add them at the main page under Optionals, i'll wait for a more stable beta for the main, still i understand that "bioengineering" is difficult and that creating a new race from scratch so don't take this as a offense, i know that they will be great as soon you work on them since you're a very talented modder mrtspenceQuoteThanks for the release Krantz nice updates on the Dwarves and Orks.The Wood Elves aren't actually included,and the Dark Elves are still at version 0.2 though the readme included is from 0.3 there is also a Empire changelog and a changelog_Chaos inside release folder.No biggie i don't expect you to make a new release right after every update you can add them whenever you feel appropriate.
I humbly apologize with every due respect for my error, it's just that i have 6 verions of DF installed and sometimes i screw thing bad.... really bad... working on fixes right now
EDIT: anyone has a suggestoin about new plants?
EDIT2: can orcs die of old age?
Thanks for the release Krantz no big deal about the error.And to answer your question on Orcs,as you can imagine most orc's tend not to live long prosperous lives and tend to be murdered one way or another,the oldest orcs are the biggest and the strongest.Orcs have an "adrenaline-fuelled metabolism," which means that they grow in size, strength, endurance, and belligerence as they fight and defeat opponents.This is going by the wiki,forum posts i have found at it appears there isn't a general consensus on it since orcs tend to die violently and young;so apparently as long as they fight and don't die i guess their immortal?Probably a maxage setting of 300-500 similar to that of dwarves would be fine.
And plants well...this is just going from plants in warhammer online here:Thief's nettle,gravel nuts,Dandeddragon,Argost creep,Spume petal,Smedley cap,Pyre ivy,Ashberry,Elvish Parsley,Spiderfrond,Beardweed,Grumpleaf.You could also add the legendary dwarven Bugmans brew,brandy,mead,bounty hunter Brunner's favorite schnapps,Tilean coffee.
Post by: mrtspence on November 20, 2011, 01:30:47 am
Hell, if anybody wants to, they can take over the Lizardmen mod completely as long as they give me credit for the stuff I did.
Until we can make creatures from reactions, we cannot properly implement their spawning pools, so other than perhaps some new weapons and the like, I don't see any major next steps for the mod.
Also, thank you for the heads up about the duplicate error, those are especially bad. I think that was caused when I was merging the bugfixes Trees and you proposed.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 21, 2011, 12:42:41 pm
Post by: Shintaro Fago on November 21, 2011, 01:38:24 pm
(http://gmclan.org/uploader/4365/08.png)
Bretonnia is a feudal land, with its many peasants ruled by their noble overlords. When war threatens, it falls to every Bretonnian noble to muster his peasants for battle, don his armour and ride.
Bretonnia is a feudal land, with its many peasants ruled by their noble overlords. When war threatens, it falls to every Bretonnian noble to muster his peasants for battle, don his armour and ride.
(http://gmclan.org/uploader/4365/v80.png)
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Post by: Teneb on November 21, 2011, 04:26:41 pm
Any ideas on how to handle that?
Post by: Krantz86 on November 21, 2011, 04:31:33 pm
...mmh.. "fell tree forge" or something like that can be buildt instead of the vanilla forge (mind that you cna't swap buildings, just add another one)
Post by: Teneb on November 21, 2011, 04:44:14 pm
you shouldn't worry about "cheating" too much, i think most of players will play along the race rules
Good enough. So far I've removed steel-making and chaos reactions from the race as well as changing certain noble names to more tribal ones (and removing baron, count and duke), except the manager, which I can't think of a name.
Reactions will probably take bones and such to make basic armor and weapons, with metal being scavenged from other races, getting "scraped" and then turned into whatever you want to make out of it.
Trap-making will have to remain in, hard-coded and all.
Post by: Krantz86 on November 22, 2011, 07:17:08 am
Post by: SDood on November 22, 2011, 09:20:04 pm
i'm sorry to write this but my pc just got blown by a electicity spike, i've lost most of my files and i think that unless i manage to pull out a miracle future updates willhave to waitSTILL GET OUT, damn i'll figure out something!
Wow that sucks Krantz.Let us know if you need any help,best of luck to you.
Post by: mrtspence on November 23, 2011, 12:45:51 am
i'm sorry to write this but my pc just got blown by a electicity spike, i've lost most of my files and i think that unless i manage to pull out a miracle future updates willhave to waitSTILL GET OUT, damn i'll figure out something!
Agh! That sucks. Exactly what killed my laptop too. Hopefully you can get that fixed soon. You have my support and sympathy.
Also, what more would you guys like to see in the lizardmen mod? Aside from the obvious and highly-needed bugfixes (until the thing is totally functional it will remain in alpha and out of the full conversion mod hopefully). I am not sure what direction to take it right now.
EDIT: Fixed the duplicate Nurgling error. That was a bad one. New version of Chaos Mod is up with that in mind.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3612
Gonna try and learn how to do graphics for chaos. Advice would be awesome if you guys have any!
Post by: Krantz86 on November 23, 2011, 04:54:48 pm
what i lost, and i have to redo:
-fixed dorf prof names
-mod drill to be forged and/or crafted in two different ways
-added a new caste Runelords(vvvveeeery rare)
-added new items:
-added rune decorations
i've just added the last updats to the new release 0.8c (just some decimals)
updates included:
dwarves - minor update
Chaos- update
Bretonnia - update (and fixed some minor typos )
EDIT: if i forgot something tell me
Post by: TDSS02 on November 23, 2011, 07:13:07 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on November 24, 2011, 06:18:24 am
Hey Krantz86, just wanted to say keep up the good work. Looking forward to the finished mod.as i've already said flattery is more than welcolmed but you shouldn't forget every modder who spend his time learning and trying to improve their own contribute....
EDIT: i'm going to release a metal that most races in warhammer use, the Raw Metoric Iron, i'll start working on soil layers
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example of the dwarf's one
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Post by: UltraValican on November 26, 2011, 10:29:48 pm
-Clicks download page
- Sees RAR file
Made this face
(http://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/d/dc/Ork_WTF_is_this.jpg/120px-Ork_WTF_is_this.jpg)
Post by: mrtspence on November 27, 2011, 04:27:54 am
-Sees Greenskins
-Clicks download page
- Sees RAR file
Made this face
(http://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/d/dc/Ork_WTF_is_this.jpg/120px-Ork_WTF_is_this.jpg)
Google and download winrar. It is free and easy. Extract files. Enjoy mods!
Post by: SDood on November 28, 2011, 12:15:12 am
Hey Krantz86, just wanted to say keep up the good work. Looking forward to the finished mod.as i've already said flattery is more than welcolmed but you shouldn't forget every modder who spend his time learning and trying to improve their own contribute....
EDIT: i'm going to release a metal that most races in warhammer use, the Raw Metoric Iron, i'll start working on soil layerseveryone who wish to use it should make a reaction that refine it in their own versionSpoiler (click to show/hide)
example of the dwarf's oneSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks Krantz i'll use this for The Empire.
I'm still working on High Elves and the next release will likely be within a few days,then i'll work on updating the other races.
Post by: mpedroso on November 28, 2011, 07:26:37 am
I came here to thank everyone involved with the mod. you guys rock, but I have some questions:
1) why the skavens start without axes? Is this intentional?
2) again, with the skavens: can't make any of them nobles. Bug?
3) a more generic question: anyway to choose my race (civilization)? I've found the neighbors menu, but can't figure which race I'll be until the game starts.
thanks a lot guys!
Post by: Krantz86 on November 28, 2011, 07:51:10 am
in your neighbors menu you'll see something like this:
dwarves or Orks
orks ------ dwarves -----
dark elves ------ wood elves -----
bretonnians war eshin skaven war
and so on and so on
the first race in the list is the one you're using the others are race that can contact you in that position (friendly or not)
Post by: mpedroso on November 29, 2011, 12:58:46 pm
And the Skaven thing? Anyone experiencing the same thing?
Post by: SDood on November 29, 2011, 03:07:42 pm
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-Playable Warhammer High Elf Race
-Six custom castes including the Phoenix Guard,Hoeth Swordmasters, and the Shadow Warriors.
-Three custom creatures The Great Eagle,Griffon, and Asur Dragon mount
-Asur weapons and armor
Changelog:0.2 removed from placeholder status,Many changes to the High Elves,added custom creatures,added more weapons and armor
Post by: Andal on November 29, 2011, 05:54:31 pm
Thanks, Krantz86.
And the Skaven thing? Anyone experiencing the same thing?
Not only could I not start with axes, I couldn't make 'em either.
On an unrelated note, having a blast with my Khornate Champion adventurer, in full blood steel armor. I have quite the collection of skulls for the skull throne. Though his name changes every time I open the save. Heh, too RAGE to remember that silly name thing.
Post by: Teneb on November 29, 2011, 06:28:50 pm
Post by: Achitus on December 01, 2011, 08:56:44 pm
Just would be nice if it were possible to add in siege weapons, but I'm going on the assumption that it's impossible, which is a shame because on tabletop battles, artillery is where the Empire shined most, a battery of cannon and hellblasters would really ruin an opposing army's day.
Post by: Krantz86 on December 02, 2011, 07:23:23 am
Post by: SDood on December 02, 2011, 02:14:12 pm
Really enjoying the mod so far, thanks to those that put it all together, the Imperials are definitely my favorite at this point, though I'm still getting used the the bit about not being able to make steel.
Just would be nice if it were possible to add in siege weapons, but I'm going on the assumption that it's impossible, which is a shame because on tabletop battles, artillery is where the Empire shined most, a battery of cannon and hellblasters would really ruin an opposing army's day.
Thanks i actually already fixed the bit with The Empire not being able to make steel it was an error i made though i have not released it yet it will be fixed in 0.3.I would love to implement some sort of artillery as that would add something unique to the race,if Krantz finishes the Organ gun for the Dwarves i will add in a version for empire for sure.
If you have any further suggestions or bug reports it would be much appreciated.I'm still working on updates for all of my races and actually started to add in and change creatures in Dwarf Fortress,I have been real busy with work and school but i'll release them when i finish them.
Post by: Pokon on December 02, 2011, 03:46:29 pm
Post by: Achitus on December 02, 2011, 05:35:04 pm
As for the bit about steel, don't you simply have to add in a couple job permissions like pig iron and steel making? Not mocking you and I hope it doesn't sound like that, but I'm actually wondering, because I'm not certain.
And as for the bugs and such, not sure if this has been mentioned but there appears to be two separate Dwarf factions with the same name, looking at the civ tab when picking an embark I noticed that and was rather perplexed.
Anyway, thanks again, great mod and all that.
Post by: SDood on December 02, 2011, 07:54:53 pm
Well that's good to hear, custom artillery being possible brings to mind all sorts of possibilities, I just love the idea of peppering a mass of these annoying dark elves that keep attacking me with a hellblaster bombardment.
As for the bit about steel, don't you simply have to add in a couple job permissions like pig iron and steel making? Not mocking you and I hope it doesn't sound like that, but I'm actually wondering, because I'm not certain.
And as for the bugs and such, not sure if this has been mentioned but there appears to be two separate Dwarf factions with the same name, looking at the civ tab when picking an embark I noticed that and was rather perplexed.
Anyway, thanks again, great mod and all that.
Yeah it was a simple fix with the permitted reactions available to The Empire in this case being pig iron and steel not being available since they were not permitted due to my oversite.I decided to release the bugfix here
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Post by: Achitus on December 02, 2011, 09:14:46 pm
Post by: mrtspence on December 03, 2011, 10:58:50 am
Fancy, saw a few other Warhammer mod bits there that I didn't notice before because I rarely look at the minor mod section, high elves and lizardmen, that'll be worth a look.
As a warning, unless someone else has made a lizardmen mod (which has not yet occurred to my knowledge), that is an alpha build of the lizardmen mod and isn't at a point where you could do a full playthrough with them.
Post by: SDood on December 03, 2011, 10:11:57 pm
While I know a lot of stuff is being worked on still ( Great job so far, guys!), I would like to make a reqest for Cygor/Gorgon/Jabberslythe semimegabeasts, with the Jabberslythe being a mega. :)
Great suggestions Pokon they will be in the first warhammer creature mod i make,I'll try and get it out next week.
Post by: Achitus on December 03, 2011, 10:36:07 pm
Also, got one thing to mention about the Imperials, minor cosmetic gripe, Warrior Priests should be bald, I think... right? Lore-wise I remember them being bald, at least the males, not sure how to go about doing that, but it's probably doable if Dwarven Slayers can be made to have all orange hair.
EDIT: Oh, and another minor thing, since griffons exist with the high elves add-on, folks should probably remember to remove griffons from the fanciful creature list.
Post by: Shintaro Fago on December 04, 2011, 08:06:20 am
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8223/specialweapons.png)
With almost 20 artifact weapons each brave knight will be different and Bretonnians are getting further and further from vanilla humans, which is a good thing I guess.
Also: halfing market with silly weapons using cook skill. Beware of hot pots!
Post by: SDood on December 04, 2011, 03:32:17 pm
Okay, just learned that, high elves are fine, lizardmen are an alpha build, should probably read a little more closely at that, I see.
Also, got one thing to mention about the Imperials, minor cosmetic gripe, Warrior Priests should be bald, I think... right? Lore-wise I remember them being bald, at least the males, not sure how to go about doing that, but it's probably doable if Dwarven Slayers can be made to have all orange hair.
EDIT: Oh, and another minor thing, since griffons exist with the high elves add-on, folks should probably remember to remove griffons from the fanciful creature list.
Good catch on the War Priests i forgot to give them their signature shaved heads.I released The Empire 0.25 here
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I'll remove Griffons when i release my creature mod they are named just Griffons in the creature file while mine are named Asur_Griffon as i wanted to avoid conflicts,did the same with the harpies.So don't worry they wont conflict with each other.
Post by: Krantz86 on December 07, 2011, 04:25:22 pm
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also, achitus the second dwarven entity is the outpost dwarves, while karak dwarves settle mainly in the mountains the outpost ones can settle on surface, their site population is however smaller that allow to represent a warhammer-like behaviour
EDIT: i forgot to tell about organ cannon, i worked as weapon but i couldn't restrict it to trap usage so while playing as DE i got a dwarven caravan with guards wielding hand held artillery......devastating.... in spite the fact that they moved very slowly
Post by: SDood on December 07, 2011, 10:02:34 pm
hello, i'll upload a new version soon with the HE and meteoric iron clusters and veins, i'm overburdened with work so please be patient, here a preview on what i'm working right nowSpoiler (click to show/hide)
also, achitus the second dwarven entity is the outpost dwarves, while karak dwarves settle mainly in the mountains the outpost ones can settle on surface, their site population is however smaller that allow to represent a warhammer-like behaviour
EDIT: i forgot to tell about organ cannon, i worked as weapon but i couldn't restrict it to trap usage so while playing as DE i got a dwarven caravan with guards wielding hand held artillery......devastating.... in spite the fact that they moved very slowly
Vampire Counts!!!Awesome Krantz,great job.
Post by: Krantz86 on December 08, 2011, 07:54:48 am
i've added the final version of the meteoric iron to soil layers, you can find small clusters in any soil but precious veins can be find in sedimental and igneous layers
i've also implemented the new version of the modified plants, underground crops will grow in any season
if i forgot something or if you have any suggestion please post it
Post by: Shintaro Fago on December 08, 2011, 08:01:32 am
Post by: Krantz86 on December 08, 2011, 08:08:04 am
Post by: SDood on December 08, 2011, 05:37:04 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on December 08, 2011, 05:56:51 pm
Post by: Teneb on December 09, 2011, 07:04:40 am
EDIT: not possible. Had to make a reaction for every kind of item
Beastmen V1.1 - PLAYABLE (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4953)
I didn't have enough time to test everything, so tell me if you find something wrong.
Post by: SDood on December 09, 2011, 05:52:00 pm
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Post by: Teneb on December 09, 2011, 06:26:32 pm
Either way, back to goblins and squigs!
EDIT: I just noticed I didn't mention what the beastmen mod contains, so...
Adds the beastmen as a playable race (obviously)
Two workshops and many reactions
Three new "metals": Scrap Copper, Scrap Bronze and Scrap Iron.
Bone weapons and armor
EDIT 2: Found a bug with the orcs. "Female" ones have [CASTE_NAME:orks:orks:ork].
And isn't ork just for 40k?
Post by: Sarlare on December 09, 2011, 07:46:30 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on December 10, 2011, 08:13:44 am
Would it require a great deal of work to replace the ascii tiles for races with ones from a specific tileset? I'm not experienced in modding dwarf fortress and have had no success in my attempts to change Brettonia's human to that of Ironhand's humans. Might a kind modder give me some pointers on this?i did a little working on MAYDAY but i don't feel confident about releasing something i didn't ask permission first..
Post by: mpedroso on December 10, 2011, 08:36:43 am
Would it require a great deal of work to replace the ascii tiles for races with ones from a specific tileset? I'm not experienced in modding dwarf fortress and have had no success in my attempts to change Brettonia's human to that of Ironhand's humans. Might a kind modder give me some pointers on this?i did a little working on MAYDAY but i don't feel confident about releasing something i didn't ask permission first..
Come on Krantz! Ask the permission! :)
Post by: Teh Zip File on December 11, 2011, 04:50:45 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on December 12, 2011, 10:21:53 am
about WCreatures i've seen that the Wyvern seems very buggy
about this
Can Orks not eat prepared meals? I didn't have any meat but I had turkey egg biscuits and half my fortress was starving and searching for vermin to eat. I have meat now, but they all completely ignored the prepared meals...i don't know, maybe you "o"rdered them to "not Mix Food" they seem fine to me..
also a offer if anyone os willing to add something new to orcs just DO IT, i never meant them to be a FULL race, i just wanted o add some greenish touch to the game (as former greenskin general)
Post by: Teneb on December 12, 2011, 01:42:17 pm
Post by: Shintaro Fago on December 12, 2011, 03:50:50 pm
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Post by: SDood on December 12, 2011, 05:09:34 pm
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Post by: Stronghammer on December 15, 2011, 07:34:40 pm
edit
Oh and just foound something interesting the ziaman pittz when tasked with making any of the armour, uses ANY item available, I lost my bag of seeds, my bronze sparkly thing, and a big choppa before i put a stop to it, just wanted to let you know.
edit
and one other thing, the choppas just seem to bruise until finally one of my boyz finally shattered the brain and skull
Post by: Krantz86 on December 16, 2011, 10:12:15 am
Um I was just curious about something. I was playing as the savage orcs and was using the ztuff tent, and specifically zkavange ztuff and i noticed that the weapon is never actually destroyed but is just changed into a different type of choppa. Lol as a result I had this reaction on repeat and it effectively gave me free stuff eventually. I just was wondering if this was intended or not, anyways keep up the good work.
edit
Oh and just foound something interesting the ziaman pittz when tasked with making any of the armour, uses ANY item available, I lost my bag of seeds, my bronze sparkly thing, and a big choppa before i put a stop to it, just wanted to let you know.
edit
and one other thing, the choppas just seem to bruise until finally one of my boyz finally shattered the brain and skull
sorry, i've been busy with work and i couldnt' release a new version, about your post:
1 - the Zkavenge ztuff recation put an armed orc to work force the snotlings who dwells there to Kooperate and find small useful objects for him
2 - strange, i'm gonna check this one...
3 - S.O. aren't good planners, their "Embark" weapons are just a collection of planks and huge branches easy to carry around, the "produced" choppas instead are huge hunks of junk so you should consider embarked weapons as training ones while i can assure you that getting hit by a diorite or copper/bronze BIG choppa will turn most foes into a red paste
Post by: Stronghammer on December 16, 2011, 11:51:00 am
Post by: SDood on December 16, 2011, 03:31:21 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on December 16, 2011, 04:39:54 pm
Post by: SDood on December 16, 2011, 08:49:23 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is using the Phoebus graphic pack and such does not contain any custom graphics yet for Warhammer,some graphics match up with the creatures better than others and any help with creating custom sprites would be much appreciated.
Special thanks to Phoebus for his excellent graphics pack!
Post by: Stronghammer on December 17, 2011, 09:05:03 am
Post by: Krantz86 on December 17, 2011, 02:03:03 pm
Post by: Isa on December 19, 2011, 08:14:58 pm
Alright,awesome Krantz.I released the Phoebus graphic set version here:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is using the Phoebus graphic pack and such does not contain any custom graphics yet for Warhammer,some graphics match up with the creatures better than others and any help with creating custom sprites would be much appreciated.
Special thanks to Phoebus for his excellent graphics pack!
Hello, I think the spirtes for the nords in (deon genesis mod) would perfectly fit the chaos warriors.
Post by: Dbuhos on December 28, 2011, 08:35:17 am
Post by: Kraggh on January 03, 2012, 12:22:49 pm
Post by: mrtspence on January 03, 2012, 02:01:01 pm
Chaos Graphics, please, please, please!!! :o
I've been fooling around a bit in Gimp and am working on some sprites for warriors of chaos. I am averse to getting things done over the holidays though ha ha!
Post by: Pokon on January 03, 2012, 04:30:16 pm
While I know a lot of stuff is being worked on still ( Great job so far, guys!), I would like to make a reqest for Cygor/Gorgon/Jabberslythe semimegabeasts, with the Jabberslythe being a mega. :)
Great suggestions Pokon they will be in the first warhammer creature mod i make,I'll try and get it out next week.
Yeah, thanks. I run a Beastman army myself, so it was amazing to finaly have a Jabberslyth model, even if its not that good. :P
Post by: SDood on January 03, 2012, 04:34:21 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on January 03, 2012, 05:38:09 pm
if not whose race except elves use it?
list of thing to do:
add mithril(optional)
add more plants like naggaroth darkpines (high density wood)
add Furs
suggestions welcolmed
Post by: Ahra on January 04, 2012, 05:14:59 am
hi guys, i have a question is about lore, is mithril found only in ulthuan?correct me if wrong but the elves use Ithilmar, it their version of dwarven gromril
if not whose race except elves use it?
list of thing to do:
add mithril(optional)
add more plants like naggaroth darkpines (high density wood)
add Furs
suggestions welcolmed
they do it from raw gromril but some differences like its lighter.
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on January 06, 2012, 06:11:40 pm
Plus I don't know what some of the stuff currently in the Orc Ztuff Tent does and how to work it.
Post by: Stronghammer on January 06, 2012, 06:30:05 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on January 08, 2012, 04:39:48 pm
Curious question, will there be a manual soon for all the various races and differences? I'd like to know what some races have without needing to restart xXXX amount of times, not to mention the split apart skaven.
Plus I don't know what some of the stuff currently in the Orc Ztuff Tent does and how to work it.
about Savage orcs i expanded the readme
hey just wanted to notify you guys that the crushing grudge custom reaction doesnt appear in the entity file.
fixed, nice catch
also i added new stuff to SO and i resumed working on dwarves
ps: i just generated this year's first world, about 50 civilizations in a total war mode, almost no quarter
EDIT: the vampire counts release will wait till i buy the new army book, next month
Post by: FritzPL on January 09, 2012, 07:46:33 am
Post by: Shintaro Fago on January 09, 2012, 07:57:51 am
[REACTION:BRETONNIA_CARPENTER]
[NAME:Unload More Wood]
[BUILDING:WOODWAGON:NONE]
[PRODUCT:80:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:OAK:WOOD]
[SKILL:CARPENTRY]
Post by: FritzPL on January 09, 2012, 11:45:19 am
Post by: Krantz86 on January 09, 2012, 05:44:51 pm
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Post by: Stronghammer on January 09, 2012, 06:41:21 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on January 09, 2012, 07:15:39 pm
example: with 10 units of WOOD burned into 10 units of CHARCOAL and 10 units of common OIL the refiner can produce 30 units of REFINED COAL
if you change product's COAL:COAL into COAL:COKE you can create the loop you mentioned
Post by: Stronghammer on January 09, 2012, 07:38:45 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on January 09, 2012, 08:57:43 pm
to update the graphical version
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT: after some research in my old rulebook collection i've found out some references on elves, ithilmar and mithril, some editions ago the bretonnians heros could be seen wearing a "pre-war of the beards" elven mithril chainmails (armor 4+ for tatbletop), while now the ithilmar armor are common (ie Valten's elven horse had a ithilmar armor that didn't cause any encumberance), i even found some online references to dwarven mitrhil mines but for them it's only a precious decorative metal
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Post by: SDood on January 11, 2012, 04:17:34 pm
Post by: Pokon on January 13, 2012, 06:26:23 pm
Oh, wait. Plauge Rats. My bad. :P
Post by: Krantz86 on January 16, 2012, 11:56:15 am
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it will be implemented in the next release, but you can manually add it if you want
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on January 16, 2012, 11:55:03 pm
Also meteoric ore doesn't count as iron for the purposes of blood iron
I'm not really sure how to modify the raws for the reaction, could someone help?
Post by: Stuebi on January 18, 2012, 07:02:21 pm
Post by: SDood on January 19, 2012, 04:39:17 pm
One Question, at embarking, you can choose the Race/"Clan" you're playing as. How can i figure out which of the Options coming up is which race? Usually the names don't give enough hints to what Race is meant.
every race can generate multiple civilizations with variable names, that's hard coded so to know which race you're selecting press TAB and under Neighbors your civ race will appear first on the list, that will also show you your diplomatic relations with other races.
I started modding again and im working on some updates.I'm updating the graphics right now and adding new sprites.
Post by: MiguelMO on January 20, 2012, 03:55:07 am
I wanted to tell you that you are doing an amazing work with this awesome mod. I'm almost new in Dwarf fortress (I'm mostly waiting for the new version, but I've played a couple of times in order to learn how to play properly) and I'm folowing this post very excited.
I wanted to help and I'm really bad at moding so I did some sprites
Examples:
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/Orcs.png)
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/Darkelves.png)
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/ChaoshumansandNorse.png)
and here you can download the pack:
http://www.mediafire.com/?lvfkp64ae7oazvn (http://www.mediafire.com/?lvfkp64ae7oazvn)
I hope I'm not doing spam. If I do tell me and I will delete the links.
It's the first time I do sprites and pixel art so they are not really good and there are not many sprites but if you like some of them you are free to modify them or to add them in the mod.
Post by: Krantz86 on January 20, 2012, 08:54:02 am
Hello.nice work, i like them i'll start trying to insert them for personal use, if they look as good as i think maybe i'll release a custom graphical set soon
I wanted to tell you that you are doing an amazing work with this awesome mod. I'm almost new in Dwarf fortress (I'm mostly waiting for the new version, but I've played a couple of times in order to learn how to play properly) and I'm folowing this post very excited.
I wanted to help and I'm really bad at moding so I did some sprites
and here you can download the pack:
http://www.mediafire.com/?lvfkp64ae7oazvn (http://www.mediafire.com/?lvfkp64ae7oazvn)
.
Quote
I hope I'm not doing spam. If I do tell me and I will delete the links.any support to the mod is welcomed i'll personally try to mend, split, nail it to the extent that my -limited- skills permit to obtain a good result
EDIT: just a little note, if you can please use 16x16 to get a better resolution
Post by: MiguelMO on January 20, 2012, 09:48:19 am
nice work, i like them i'll start trying to insert them for personal use, if they look as good as i think maybe i'll release a custom graphical set soon
.QuoteI hope I'm not doing spam. If I do tell me and I will delete the links.any support to the mod is welcomed i'll personally try to mend, split, nail it to the extent that my -limited- skills permit to obtain a good result
EDIT: just a little note, if you can please use 16x16 to get a better resolution
Thank you but I don't know what you exactly mean with "use 16x16": in the file that I have ulpaded I have every single sprite in a 16x16 image. But I used this kind of "packages" with 7 or 8 sprites as an example. BTW there are more sprites in the file such as Stone, River and Chaos Trolls, Beastmen, a cold one etc. I don't know if you meant this.
MiguelMO
Post by: SDood on January 20, 2012, 01:28:27 pm
Hello.
I wanted to tell you that you are doing an amazing work with this awesome mod. I'm almost new in Dwarf fortress (I'm mostly waiting for the new version, but I've played a couple of times in order to learn how to play properly) and I'm folowing this post very excited.
I wanted to help and I'm really bad at moding so I did some sprites
Examples:
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/Orcs.png)
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/Darkelves.png)
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/ChaoshumansandNorse.png)
and here you can download the pack:
http://www.mediafire.com/?lvfkp64ae7oazvn (http://www.mediafire.com/?lvfkp64ae7oazvn)
I hope I'm not doing spam. If I do tell me and I will delete the links.
It's the first time I do sprites and pixel art so they are not really good and there are not many sprites but if you like some of them you are free to modify them or to add them in the mod.
Thanks MiguelMo they look really nice, especially for your first time doing them.I'm adding them in.
Post by: Teneb on January 20, 2012, 03:24:34 pm
Post by: Shintaro Fago on January 21, 2012, 07:29:26 pm
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Post by: Krantz86 on January 22, 2012, 05:11:51 pm
if it's an isolated problem tell me and i'll check my own files, otherwise beastmen may have a bug that i can't find out yet
Post by: Teneb on January 22, 2012, 05:25:48 pm
i was about to release the new version when i tried the bestmen, for some reason now reaction actually appear in the workshops....
if it's an isolated problem tell me and i'll check my own files, otherwise beastmen have a bug i can't find out yet
I... don't understand the problem. Reactions are supposed to appear in the workshops
Post by: Krantz86 on January 22, 2012, 05:59:44 pm
this won't work
[BUILDING:BONE_GEAR]
this will
[BUILDING:BONE_GEAR:CUSTOM_a] <- you missed the reaction shortcut
this can seem stupid but even a ]] can break a whole race
EDIT: also the salvage reactions seems kinda odd...
example of your reactions (broken i think)
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fixed, should produce 1 bar of bronze scrap from 1 bronze weapon
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Post by: Teneb on January 22, 2012, 06:57:57 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on January 22, 2012, 07:23:20 pm
they make whole giant effigies made of CRAP! now you can too
*maniacal laugh*
EDIT: seriously we need someone willing to mod more serious greenskins
Post by: Teneb on January 24, 2012, 02:48:29 pm
EDIT: I don't know if you noticed, but the plant tiles in the ASCII version are screwed up. If you use a graphics pack, that may be the cause.
EDIT 2: All is fixed, I think. For some reason picks don't get auto-selected for the embark, despite being available, so you'll have to manually select them. Added a readme. Download here (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4953)
Post by: Krantz86 on January 24, 2012, 04:35:26 pm
I have nearly finished fixing the beastmen reactions. So I'd like to take the opportunity to ask: is there any metal added by this mod (gromril, for example) that you want me to make a salvage reaction to? (I'm sticking with copper, bronze and iron for now)you don't have to ask me, add more reaction if you think that they'll fit to beastmen in a way
just to be sure:
anyone who want is allowed to copy, modify or fix MY work for their own uses (and of course i don't mean to extend this permission to other people's work that has been included in the Warhammer release)
EDIT: I don't know if you noticed, but the plant tiles in the ASCII version are screwed up. If you use a graphics pack, that may be the cause.indeed i'm using MAYDAY's graphic set on my own, so i never noticed anything about plants and to tell the truth all i did to plants was to change underground seasons and some names to fit (mostly) the books i read, is you or anyone else is willing please release a fix or a custom plant mod for warhammer
Post by: Teneb on January 24, 2012, 04:38:05 pm
Post by: SDood on January 24, 2012, 06:39:56 pm
Also updated Dark Elves to 0.35 here:
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Post by: Krantz86 on January 25, 2012, 05:40:28 am
thats probably the issue in not being [INTELLIGENT]
Post by: SDood on January 25, 2012, 03:49:39 pm
i jsut tested the dark elves, sadly the Slaves aren't working correctly, ingame they're not working at all, all you can do is to butcher them as food source.
thats probably the issue in not being [INTELLIGENT]
Thanks Krantz i wasn't aware that would happen,i uploaded a fixed version,the version number is the same.Sorry about that.
Post by: Krantz86 on February 14, 2012, 06:21:24 am
Post by: mrtspence on February 14, 2012, 03:18:52 pm
I will hopefully be able to have rituals to summon deadly Greater Daemons and deadly spells and... and... The options are limitless! Expect something to come out of my corner in the next while. Midterms have me busy now, but next week is reading (the RAWS) week, so hopefully I can have something for you guys during/after that!
Post by: Krantz86 on February 14, 2012, 03:26:38 pm
...Kemmler is returning
Post by: Teneb on February 14, 2012, 03:52:13 pm
Post by: SDood on February 14, 2012, 05:34:59 pm
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on February 15, 2012, 08:51:17 pm
On a plus note, actual vampires for the VC nation :D
Post by: SDood on February 25, 2012, 03:10:40 am
Heres the classic version
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And heres the Phoebus tileset version
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reuploaded fixed a couple of bugs in both versions
Post by: MiguelMO on February 25, 2012, 06:41:10 am
http://www.mediafire.com/?pkk6w1q95j2vh69 (http://www.mediafire.com/?pkk6w1q95j2vh69)
Photos:
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I also did new dwarf military sprites:
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I hope you like them.
Miguelmo
Post by: SDood on February 25, 2012, 09:54:30 am
I have made more sprites and I redid them in a more phoebus way (adding dark lines around the sprites and making a darker background). Here is the link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?pkk6w1q95j2vh69 (http://www.mediafire.com/?pkk6w1q95j2vh69)
Photos:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I also did new dwarf military sprites:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I hope you like them.
Miguelmo
They look amazing Miguelmo, i'll have them in the next version.
I updated mrtspence's Lizardmen mod and fixed some of the prior bugs and updated it for Dwarf Fortress 0.34.02.I removed them as Civ playable as thats still a little buggy.Credit for the mod goes to mrtspence.More work still needs to be done on it so its still in Alpha.
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It's also more difficult to gen a world many more are rejected than before.I'm trying to fix that problem.
Post by: Krantz86 on February 28, 2012, 07:35:21 am
VC
Castes
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DWARVES
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right now i'm trying to balance the counts, i'll release them when the other races get fixed
Post by: Teneb on February 28, 2012, 08:27:35 am
EDIT: currently making some changes to beastmen due to new version, including allowing only certain castes to become "nobles"
EDIT 2: Beastmen 1.3 download here (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4953)
FINAL EDIT: You may know this already, but the skaven lack axes. You may want to add those back.
Post by: SDood on February 28, 2012, 06:12:46 pm
Okay i updated Warhammer Fortress to v 1.3.I updated the beastmen mod to the new version,gave skaven axes so they can now chop wood,added in caste standard names for some of the playable races.For the Phoebus version i updated MiguelMo's sprites to the latest which are seriously awesome.I also added in the Speech Expansion mod by SethCreiyd and i added in some more custom threats for the Phoebus version.I added in the Restored UNTOWARD language mod previously for both versions thanks to mayday for that.I also removed some of the more powerful and unique creatures as domestic,and just misc balancing and changes.
Phoebus version 1.3
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Classic 1.3
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Post by: Krantz86 on March 02, 2012, 07:40:23 am
PS: vampires are unbalanced as hell, anyoen has some useful links to interactions?
Post by: SDood on March 02, 2012, 11:33:31 am
You can check an existing vampire mod to see how he did it and compare it to yours.Heres better vampires 0.2 by Xangi.
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And here are some links talking about vampires and interactions.
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And the modding questions thread seems like a good place to ask if you need help or suggestions.
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Oh and by the way Krantz i removed the Chaos Dwarf placeholders.
Post by: MiguelMO on March 02, 2012, 02:06:16 pm
I'll try the new version of the mod this weekend. This modification is getting better and better :)
Miguelmo
Post by: SDood on March 02, 2012, 09:26:57 pm
Started an adventure as a Champion of Khorne proceeded to slaughter all of the puny bretonnian,imperial and elven bandits doing the Blood God proud making sure to take along their severed heads as trophies.I then proceeded to get thirteen other chaos warriors to join me and started a warband and ravaged the cities and the countryside.At this point i started to get arrogant with nothing being able to stand against my Khornate war axe.I noticed a Necromancers tower nearby so naturally i decided to raid it. it was filled with Four imperial men surrounded by an army of zombie skaven and naturally being a Champion of Khorne i charged in through the entryway hacking away at the zombies as i pleased with my other Chaos warriors behind me.I hacked one of the necromancers to pieces then as i proceeded to decapitate my next foe a giant zombie rat ogre got a lucky hit in and broke my left leg making me lose my ability to stand. While Hacking away at the zombie skaven biting and pummeling me, my veteran chaos warband while giving a good account for themselves it was only a matter of time before they were overwhelmed and devoured by the never ending zombie skaven swarm.One of the Necromancers got cocky and walked within range of my axe which he paid dearly for losing both of his legs then his life.Surrounded by the zombie skaven swarm and most of my warband dead it was only a matter of time before the zombie skaven overtook me.
There is some serious fun to be had in adventure mode now.
I reuploaded the Phoebus version, there was an error that would cause some of the Chaos warriors to have a blank tile.Also made Dwarf Fortress able to use more than 2 gigs of memory.Fixed one more tileset error.
Post by: Stronghammer on March 04, 2012, 12:48:24 am
Just curious, where can I make Ironbreaker plate. I checked the forge, its not there. I checked the runesmith shop, not there. I checked the guild shop, not there. Heck I got frustrated and even checked the farmers workshop, the cloths maker, the carpenter, the crafts shop and kitchen. Please do tell me where it is as I really do like to have my ironbreakers, especially when I have a hundred bars of gromril to be making it with. And if its just my lack of finding ability do please tell me. Oh and really great mod by the way, I do so enjoy it. What with the slaughtering of wood elves, dark elves, bretonians, chaos and orcs, I barely have any time to actually mine and forge. FUN!!
Cheers
Stronghammer
Post by: Krantz86 on March 04, 2012, 12:16:44 pm
Post by: Stronghammer on March 04, 2012, 01:48:42 pm
Post by: SDood on March 04, 2012, 02:53:25 pm
Okay i released update 1.3.1 for both versions i updated the norse and added the Thrall caste with some other minor changes.
Phoebus 1.3.1
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Classic 1.3.1
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Post by: Krantz86 on March 06, 2012, 04:53:27 am
Post by: SDood on March 06, 2012, 02:02:09 pm
sdood i tried using your version but i found many duplicate errors in the bretonnian files, i've uploaded a fixed version of the classic one with breatonnian fixes and with chaos issues removed (i removed the broken breath attacks)
Thanks Krantz.
I'll update the phoebus version for the new DF version once phoebus updates his pack.
Post by: MiguelMO on March 06, 2012, 02:59:00 pm
link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?o1saadjybpz56zq
An example:
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Any kind of suggestion will be really welcomed and appreciated :)
Miguelmo
Post by: SDood on March 06, 2012, 05:31:30 pm
SDood, if you're going to update the mod to the new version I'm putting here a new little update of the sprites. I've done some lizardmen, a cave troll, and more army sprites for skavens, chaos, wood elves and dark elves.
link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?o1saadjybpz56zq
An example:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Any kind of suggestion will be really welcomed and appreciated :)
Miguelmo
Great work MiguelMO i really like those new military sprites, i especially like how you have started to add in a standard and a master for the military.I'll add those in and work on some updates and release a new version later in the week.
Post by: Stronghammer on March 06, 2012, 10:55:03 pm
Cheers :D
edit: Just noticed the whole vein of blue I unearthed, make that enough Gromril to suit and arm 35 dwarves
Edit2: curious what is stronger a Gromril breastplate or a elaborate runic Breast plate
Post by: Krantz86 on March 07, 2012, 07:20:00 am
Post by: Stronghammer on March 07, 2012, 07:25:34 am
Post by: Teneb on March 07, 2012, 11:29:43 am
Post by: Stronghammer on March 07, 2012, 12:41:33 pm
Edit: My new fortress is so wealthy and has SO much gromril that my new lord has his rooms furnished with gromril statues, and doors. :D I loves this mod
Edit: just after i post this and meet the mandate of 2 gromril maces, my lord bans the export of said maces......sigh
Post by: Teneb on March 07, 2012, 02:30:53 pm
Thanks to SDood warhammer trolls are already in the game, so only the DF goblins will have to be removed.
EDIT: quick question: why savage orcs have the [EVIL] token?
EDIT: orcs also have prone_to_rage set to 1. If you want them to rage at everything you should set it to 100
EDIT: made tuskgors to serve as livestock to evil civs:
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Post by: Kraggh on March 08, 2012, 07:11:11 am
1.- How can I use The Great Altar to practise Dark Rituals?
I put on the Alchemy skill in one human, and he goes to the altar, but a year pass ago and he doesn´t gain any point...
2.- How can I designate the warrior I want to train to the Dark Shrine?
That´s the info in the readme: "Best used with a manager to ensure the right person is training the right skill!"
I don´t understand this, I go to the manager screen, but I don´t find anything relative to this.
3.- All the babys I have, has been born from two women! It,s that a bug?
4.- I was in my fortress, for 3 years ago, and I have only 16 Human Chaos, no more migrants arrived...
Thank´s a lot and sorry about my english if some parts are not writed well!
Post by: Stronghammer on March 08, 2012, 07:57:09 am
Ill try to answer some of your questions.
2 You go into the workshop that you want to designate using Q then you hit shift P to open the workshop profile, then look for the one individual or several individuals you want to use that workshop and hit enter when their name is highlighted.
3 This is not a bug just a way the game works, women only give birth to babies if they are married, you will only have marriages occur a lot if you A) have a high population of men and women and B) have those people have a lot of spare time to become friends and then get to know each other better
4) This usually means that your home civ is dead resulting in two migrant waves and then no more, or or population limit in the init file is set really low, or you have had a lot of death which then makes migrants not want to come.
Hope that helps a bit
edit: hey I was wondering if it would be useful if I ran a statistical comparison between all the races, weapons, armours, and materials. This would make it easy to see the relative strength between everything in your mod. I just wanted to know if that may help you guys, and if it would ill post a link to it here as I am going to conduct it anyways.
Post by: SDood on March 08, 2012, 01:51:15 pm
Hey Kraggh
Ill try to answer some of your questions.
2 You go into the workshop that you want to designate using Q then you hit shift P to open the workshop profile, then look for the one individual or several individuals you want to use that workshop and hit enter when their name is highlighted.
3 This is not a bug just a way the game works, women only give birth to babies if they are married, you will only have marriages occur a lot if you A) have a high population of men and women and B) have those people have a lot of spare time to become friends and then get to know each other better
4) This usually means that your home civ is dead resulting in two migrant waves and then no more, or or population limit in the init file is set really low, or you have had a lot of death which then makes migrants not want to come.
Hope that helps a bit
edit: hey I was wondering if it would be useful if I ran a statistical comparison between all the races, weapons, armours, and materials. This would make it easy to see the relative strength between everything in your mod. I just wanted to know if that may help you guys, and if it would ill post a link to it here as I am going to conduct it anyways.
A statistical comparison sounds great Stronghammer it would be extremely helpful to help balance the mod.
Post by: Stronghammer on March 08, 2012, 02:29:31 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2012, 03:16:47 pm
Post by: Stronghammer on March 08, 2012, 05:08:33 pm
Well I have some preliminary results.
To create a control Goblins were first tested against Dwarfs both with no skill points added or items. The result was a 50% win rate for the Dwarfs plus or minus 3%.
This means there is no significant difference in the combat capability of dwarfs and goblins which will give us a good control base. Then a second control was created. This was 176 battles between goblins and dwarfs both clad in full copper equipment. The results from this was once again a comfortable no significant difference which would give us a material to compare against. The following chart will give the overall material abilities of each material in comparison or relative to copper.
one sec just have to recal numbers, lol just having to redue gromril as i forgot to do two gauntlets and boots
k here it is
Material-----------Number of Battles----------------wins--------------how much of a difference from copper
copper------------------176---------------------------88--------------------------0%+
Bronze------------------176--------------------------127-------------------------22%+
Steel--------------------176--------------------------129-------------------------23%+
Gromril-----------------176---------------------------139------------------------29%+
scrap copper------------176--------------------------76--------------------------7%-
scrap Bronze-----------176---------------------------141-------------------------30%+
Scrap Iron---------------176--------------------------133-------------------------26%+
silver--------------------176---------------------------65--------------------------10%-
gold---------------------176---------------------------25--------------------------36%-
runic---------------------176--------------------------136-------------------------27%+
elaborate runic---------176---------------------------144-------------------------32%+
Blood Iron--------------176---------------------------124-------------------------21%+
What this demonstrates is how powerful a material is, when compared to copper (which is our base or control). I will be doing the rest of the new materials, then creatures, then new items. It will take me a while as I am running 176 battles per item, material or creature to get good sound results. If you guys wish for something to be tested sooner rather than later just let me know. I hope this info helps. And if you make any changes to things after I test them, feel free to inform me and I will run another test.
Cheers
Post by: Teneb on March 09, 2012, 10:33:12 am
Currently working on night goblin "alchemy". First version will include only about 3 results (explosion, cow and troll). I'll add more later on.
EDIT: Stronghammer, could you compare the strenght of each race/caste?
Post by: Stronghammer on March 13, 2012, 06:25:33 pm
I have done the testing for the Beastman mod. Again the basic goblin was used as the base comparison creature(to keep it consistent with other testing).
ungor are 26% weaker then goblins, Gor are 20% weaker then goblin, Bestigor are 19% stronger, and Centigor are 31% stronger.
Post by: Teneb on March 14, 2012, 11:40:54 am
Gor are 20% weaker then goblin.
I guess I'll have to tweak that one.
Post by: Stronghammer on March 14, 2012, 12:41:47 pm
And all I can say, is that from all the deaths from my testing so far Korne would be pleased with the blood and skulls GALORE.)
interesting note testing to present has caused (includeing the posted material tests) 4224 deaths
edit: currently half way through the chaos race, and am finding that most of the race is waaaaaay to strong. All so far are 100% stronger then goblins and result in the same problem as the mounted knight.
Post by: SDood on March 15, 2012, 12:28:20 pm
Sorry guys i have been really busy, ill try and get the new version out when i can.
Post by: mrtspence on March 15, 2012, 01:17:51 pm
If I may make a constructive critique:
From the sounds of it, the testing occurs on either a 1v1 or 2v2 or 3v3 etc. basis. As in there is an equal number of goblins as there are creatures being tested. The issue with this is that if there is any appreciable difference in deadliness, the even moderately deadlier creature will win virtually every time. This is because, if numbers are even, the goblins cannot hope to overcome said disadvantage. As it is right now, I would completely want mounted brettonians/champions/chaos warriors to beat equal numbers of goblins every time (although I can't see cultists, which are smaller than humans and much more fragile and weak winning so much)--all that is being measured right now is if a creature is actually deadlier than a goblin, not how much deadlier than a goblin they are.
Another issue would be the lack of weaponry or armour (although I understand that is a huge pain). When creatures get bigger, they become rapidly more difficult to kill without weapons and size becomes an even bigger factor than it normally would be.
Not having skills means that some of my Chaos stuff (which start out will skill) will have an insane advantage that would not exist in "da real world", as most enemies (especially sieges) tend to have developed skills. Although the skills thing probably isn't needed to be changed in the testing.
My suggestion is to continuously increase the ratio of goblins:X (X being the tested creature). Once the goblins win 10 fights in a row (running something like 50 sims before changing the ratio), we know the critical number of goblins to reliably beat that kind of creature. This would give us an idea of about how dangerous that creature actually is, with goblins as an easy reference point. I call this the Critical Goblin Horde Index, or CGHI, and am hoping to be nominated for the Nobel peace prize with it.
For example, I ran a quick simulation with dwarves and goblins. When CGHI ratio was 1:1 (5 goblins to 5 dwarves), the goblins won half the time (just like you found). As soon as I increased the CGHI ratio to 2:1 (10 goblins to 5 dwarves), the dwarves lost immediately, making the CGHI rating for a dwarf 2 (as it takes 2 goblins for every one dwarf to beat that dwarf virtually every time).
I will begin doing some testing like this with basic weapons being used (although the weapons will essentially add a whole other variable, it will greatly reduce the amplifying effect size has). This new test type will be called the Weapon-Adjusted Critical Goblin Horde Index (WACGHI). I'm sure to get that nomination now!
A further test type could be to adjust for armour, and then another for skill, and then another for all of them together. This would be the most accurate way to actually gauge the power of a creature instead of seeing if it is simply stronger than a goblin by an appreciable margin.
PRELIMINARY TESTING (others feel free to use this means of testing):
Equipment used:
-Iron shortswords for all subjects
Skills:
-All subjects boosted to Proficient Fighter if they were not already.
Subjects:
-5 Brettonians, Mounted:
Initial testing results:
Subjects easily dispatched 5, 10, and 15 goblins, sustaining some injuries throughout. Further rounds of testing will commence.
Initial Conclusion:
Mounted Brettonians possess a Skill-and-Equipment-Adjusted Critical Goblin Horde Index of at least 3.
Interesting New Results:
As soon as the CGHI ratio was increased from 3 to 4 (20 goblins to 5 brettonians), the Brettonians were killed in every fight, with goblins taking moderate (under 50%) casualties. Fine tuning will now occur to find the precise number.
Revised Information:
Spacing seems to be critical.
My initial test with 20 goblins (resulting in a decisive goblin victory) was conflicting with a new result using 20 goblins wherein the mounted knights won with moderate-severe casualties. In the initial test, the knights were spaced a single tile apart, in the more recent ones, they were shoulder to shoulder. In both tests, goblins were 7 tiles away shoulder to shoulder. It is possible that fighting shoulder to shoulder is greatly advantageous. Further testing ongoing to test this spacing hypothesis.
CONFIRMED:
Spacing is enormously important. Over 5 fights with the spacing of the brettonians tweaked each time, their spacing has proved integral in their victory over 20 goblins. In some cases, when placed far from allies, a knight would be quickly overwhelmed and killed, allowing his killers to proceed to gang up on other knights, rapidly killing them. Goblins were able to achieve quick victories when the brettonians were spread more than a tile or two apart but would lose when the brettonians were fighting shoulder to shoulder. All further testing must take place with all participants shoulder to shoulder to eliminate that variable. Distance between the two lines will remain at 7 spaces.
I am also considering a change in how the goblins are spaced. Brettonians continue to win fights when the goblins are even up to 25 in number. I could observe that the brettonians would quickly kill the goblins immediately in front of them whilst the goblin's flanks attempted to wheel around. This is fascinating.
I will be conducting experiments with spacing now between goblins to determine which formation is optimal.
Post by: Drago55577 on March 15, 2012, 01:22:44 pm
Anyway il download when the internets up (on a phone)
Post by: Teneb on March 15, 2012, 02:06:38 pm
Will you add Natural Abilities for some races? Like the Eldar. (hehehe send an Eldritch Storm and watch a big cloud expand and give them syndromes)
Anyway il download when the internets up (on a phone)
Eldar? This is Warhammer fantasy, not Warhammer 40k
Post by: Drago55577 on March 15, 2012, 02:12:54 pm
Will you add Natural Abilities for some races? Like the Eldar. (hehehe send an Eldritch Storm and watch a big cloud expand and give them syndromes)
Anyway il download when the internets up (on a phone)
Eldar? This is Warhammer fantasy, not Warhammer 40k
Oh.... Ignore me then
Post by: mrtspence on March 15, 2012, 03:15:13 pm
Post by: Stronghammer on March 15, 2012, 05:07:27 pm
I like your idea, the reason that I am conducting it on a 1v1 no equipment and no skill lvl ups is for the following reasons.
1- I wanted to test the "base" creature the reason I did this was that in game both the player will lvl the skills of their people and the game when seiging or attacking will add skill points to the creature. Thus it becomes unpredictable to test for what you will "always" be facing. Thus by having each creature with no added skills or numbers we are able to compare pound for pound how each creature fares.
2- the reason that additional numbers where not added is that when that is done you increase the number of hits upon the creature by a numerous amount. This becomes no longer a test of creature strength comparative to the goblin which is are standard of testing multiple creatures. Instead it becomes a test of endurance and how much punishment a creature can take. There is subtle differences and your method is a useful one for testing how well a defensive force can hold against many weaker opponents. Yet my testing I wanted to do was create a comparative chart of varying strengths that many creatures can be compared to.
Now with that out of the way, let me say I really do like your method of testing and ideas behind it. My statements of the fact that bretonian knights and chaos are too strong are not just based off their tests against the goblins. WHat those statements were from was then taking the chaos and bretonian results and comparing them to the other races results. Then combined with the large strength of the metals available to the chaos creates a creature that becomes largely unbalanced against the other races. For example if even 6 chaos warriors with blood iron attacked my dwarven settlement (who are of equal strength to goblins, and on average have iron to steel equipment), they would require at least 10 dwarves to even hope of holding off the chaos. This then combined with the fact that seiges usually run around 12-24 creatures results in dwarven forces requiring at least 24-48 highly trained and highly equiped dwarves (full time soldiers). I like the strength of the chaos and bretonnians, the only thing that I was suggesting was that with the current system of creature strength in place (all other races so far) those races pose a huge threat.
AAAAAAnyways thx for listening to my blab. I intend on revisiting the creatures of a hundred percent win rates with creatures that are the strength of 25% more then the goblins and then increasing the creature strength test by plus 25% goblin every time.
Post by: Drago55577 on March 15, 2012, 06:28:59 pm
Ha ha! Eldar are pretty neat though. Despite being space elves in theory, I actually find them to be much more interesting than that origin would imply. But ya, this is indeed a fantasy mod.
In your spare time, could you work on a 40K mod pwease? They all got abandoned
Post by: Teneb on March 15, 2012, 08:49:24 pm
Ha ha! Eldar are pretty neat though. Despite being space elves in theory, I actually find them to be much more interesting than that origin would imply. But ya, this is indeed a fantasy mod.
In your spare time, could you work on a 40K mod pwease? They all got abandoned
There is a Necromunda one around. Fairly recent. Or you could learn how to mod (not hard) and try to get a collaborative mod going like this one.
Post by: Destroid on March 15, 2012, 11:22:55 pm
Ha ha! Eldar are pretty neat though. Despite being space elves in theory, I actually find them to be much more interesting than that origin would imply. But ya, this is indeed a fantasy mod.
In your spare time, could you work on a 40K mod pwease? They all got abandoned
There is a Necromunda one around. Fairly recent. Or you could learn how to mod (not hard) and try to get a collaborative mod going like this one.
Indeed our Necromunda mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=100255.0) is still rolling and should see a new release soon, bringing it up to date with the latest DF version. That said, there is a lot of content from Warhammer 40k that we won't be covering at all, or only in a very limited fashion, so there is room for some other kind of WH40k mod in addition to our focused mod.
Post by: Drago55577 on March 20, 2012, 07:57:44 am
Ha ha! Eldar are pretty neat though. Despite being space elves in theory, I actually find them to be much more interesting than that origin would imply. But ya, this is indeed a fantasy mod.Eldar are murderous reality bending creatures, not tree huggers
Post by: mrtspence on March 20, 2012, 09:16:37 pm
Running a warriors of chaos embark into a terrifying rocky wasteland. It rains skyre skaven blood constantly there--the entire map is covered in pools of it. There is a river that literally runs red with blood sometimes. Khorne has been pleased with the decision to settle this region.
The first year went swimmingly--I breached the aquifer within the first two months and began constructing my above-ground fortress. Only stockpiles and mining will go underground, the children of chaos refuse to cower in burrows.
The first few waves of migrants brought some interesting pets--including a pair of Asur dragons.
With the migrants came waves of enemies--thankfully held off by the incoming caravans (dark elves, norsemen, and of course the home civilization of chaos trade).
The trouble began early in the second year. A juggernaut of khorne megabeast showed up with a wave of 20 migrants, murdering all of them. It ran amok and butchered a dark elf caravan--but becoming badly wounded in the process (the dark elves possess murderously good aim with their crossbows). The gigantic beast lay stricken on the ground, its rage keeping it conscious through the immense pain it must have been suffering. A group of citizens decided to handle the problem on their own initiative. Around a dozen chaos warriors surrounded the monster and began pummeling it with their firsts to little effect. It was joined by my ramshackle military--a champion of Nurgle with my woodcutter's axe. However, before the execution could be delivered, one of the Asur dragons showed up and decided to chip in.
The flames were my undoing. The dragon blasted the wounded juggernaut with fire--and all of the brave souls that were trying to kill it
With around a fifth of my fort killed in an instant, and my drawbridge ruined (apparently dragon fire can wreck my granite drawbridge), the melted corpses were left to rot.
Enraged Chaos warriors don't make for friendly ghosts. Added to the nonstop tantrums from the devastating loss to my fort was around 5 murderous and sadistic ghosts. There would be dozens of corpses found contorted in fear over the coming years.
The sieges have been unending. Dark stranglers, beakwolves, brettonians, high elves, wood elves, and juggernauts have been slaughtering all migrants and the unlucky few citizens caught outside the safety of the slowly-rising walls.
Once again, a damnable dragon decided to devastate my fortress. A mantis man decided to suicidally fly down through the still-constructing ceiling and assail a baby. An Asur dragon seized the moment, belching out clouds of fire that annihilated a third of my main level. All of my workshops, my newly-reconstructed bridge, and 8 good children of chaos were ruined. The dragon was slaughtered, its meat sustaining my fortress in lieu of the crops it destroyed.
The tantrum spiral was horrific. A champion of khorne went berserk and threw himself upon a cultist mother and baby. He ripped her lower leg off with his goddamned teeth and then punched the baby's head in. A handful of nearby chaos warriors and a war hydra joined the fray. The second Asur dragon burned them all to death in an instant. The second and last dragon was put to the knife. Its succulent meat was little consolation to those whose family members were reduced to smoking husks.
The tantrums continued. My thriving fortress of just over 50 men stabilized at around 15. Ghosts took that number down to 12 before the deadliest of them could be laid to rest. Thankfully a champion of Khorne vampire was killed by a band of Brettonians, bringing the number to 11. I hadn't suspected him at first, but his death left a pile of +chaos human earrings+. That fool was wearing like ten crowns and thirty-something necklaces and earrings made from the bones of chaos humans...
I have only just been able to put the ceiling on my second level, so the dining room and dormitory have only just gone down. The last remaining chaos warrior has just gone berserk with my fort's best weapon (a bronze axe liberated off the mutilated corpse of a druchii) and hacked the foot off of my incursion leader, sending him hurtling off of the top level of my fort. His feeble cultist body was maimed from the 3 story fall, leaving him broken on the ground outside of my fort. A band of marauding asrai have kept my gates shut.
And that is where my fort currently is. I haven't had the time to make a proper graveyard; dozens of corpses lie under the hot sun, left to rot. No migrant has come in nearly a year. I fear that this excursion will soon come to an end.
I look forward to actually being forced to reclaim a fort for the first time in months. Thanks so much, everyone! This mod is especially awesome in this new release. Been so much fun.
Post by: Stronghammer on March 20, 2012, 10:05:25 pm
Post by: Stirk on March 20, 2012, 10:19:09 pm
Then a Juggernaught attacked like the last guy's fortress around a year and a half. I panicked, because I didn't have a standing army yet and just had begun training two troops, with not troll slayers yet. So after panicking and slamming the doors, I decided that I would try to crush it with the doors because loosing is fun. Once my gates failed to go as fast as I had hoped, I summoned a military out of random dwarves who where lying around and the two trained dwarfs. They attacked him with thier fists, without the juggernaut getting any damage in, then one of the regulars came in and chopped him in half with the special Gromril axe. It was....Way to easy. He had dabbling skill still.
Other than that, I had some fun trying to play Ork. I actually manage to do pretty well on it, building great towers by chopping down forests. I made only two that went anywhere, the first one we seemed to be the only orcs left alive on the planet and stopped getting migrants. I had hopped that the triplets and quadruplets my soldiers kept having would sustain me, but that didn't work very well. Eventually the high elves attacked and basically outnumbered my entire fortress. Fortunately, everyone was somewhat armed for hunting long-necked animals (those things I cant spell. They are hard to kill with wooden and bone weapons, but I mange it) and the other assorted animals I need to support the fort. We managed to fight off the first round with no casualties, but then a second ambush with a man on a dragon came. I killed the man but he set a fire that killed half the soldiers. Then ran away. I abandoned the fortress since I could not go anywhere. It would be nice if the orks didn't get genocided in worldgen...
Ah, it is great playing the good-old dwarf, probably the strongest race on this mod that I have played so far. I do like the Challenger being an orc brings, even if the caravan thinks it is stealing all the items in it from me.
Post by: Destroid on March 20, 2012, 11:58:58 pm
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Truly, Khorne would be pleased by your offerings.
Post by: Krantz86 on March 21, 2012, 02:57:13 am
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to
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then you'll find 1/5 of the actual gromril plus some small clusters everywhere.
if you have more suggestions for metals tell me, i'm aslo working on
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Post by: Stronghammer on March 21, 2012, 05:23:07 am
Post by: Krantz86 on March 21, 2012, 09:59:21 am
Ithilmar
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Darksteel
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EDIT: mrtspence i like that tale, in the beginning i found strange that your chaos warrios kept High Elf dragons as pet but then
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The dragon blasted the wounded juggernaut with fire--and all of the brave souls that were trying to kill itnow i understand where the warpstone was placed
Post by: Teneb on March 21, 2012, 10:26:24 am
I'll try to finish the night goblins today, along with some minor changes to savage orc ethics (they are pretty much vanilla DF goblins) and tweaking beastmen strength.
EDIT: I guess I should place the orc ethics as they currently are here and explain why I belive they should be modified
(the "<- [text]" are my notes)
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[SELECT_SYMBOL:WAR:NAME_WAR] <- Could be changed to NAME_FESTIVALS
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:WAR:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:BATTLE:NAME_BATTLE] <- And this to NAME_GAMES
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:BATTLE:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:SIEGE:NAME_SIEGE] <- And this to NAME_REVELRY
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:SIEGE:VIOLENT]
[SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:WAR:384] <- Could be changed to REVELRY/FESTIVAL, since war = fun and games for them
[SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:CHAOS:384]
[SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:NIGHT:512]
[ART_FACET_MODIFIER:GOOD:0]
[ART_FACET_MODIFIER:EVIL:384] <- I don't think greenskins understand the concept of "evil"
[ART_FACET_MODIFIER:OWN_RACE:512]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_SERIOUS] <- Should be at least PERSONAL_MATTER, since orcs don't really have laws or anything
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:LYING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:PERSONAL_MATTER] <- Should be acceptable, since that is the way greenskins decide who is in charge
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
Post by: mrtspence on March 22, 2012, 01:09:40 pm
Speaking of Lizardmen:
I really want there to be a way to make creatures from workshops. This would let us make a proper spawning pool and would be sweet.
Right now, my workaround would be making the default Lizardmen some kind of formless and weak creature that must be "grown" into a Skink/Slann/Saurus/whatever at a special spawning pool workshop. It would be neat and kinda closer to their fluff, but I would want feedback from you guys first!
Alternatively, we just need some kind of sponsored creature that can perform parthenogenesis so that the infertile eggs we could make at a workshop could hatch. I think that would work, as IIRC, you can make eggs at workshops, they just never hatch.
Also, my fort received a wave of migrants and a dark elf caravan saved my ass. I am now up to 20 dudes again. Have lose like 3 more guys to murderous ghosts though. I often leave DF on in the background and don't notice when they spawn. I think fully half of my ghosts have been murderous xD. Chaos warriors tantrum super hard and then come back as deadly ghosts. The forts can be hard to manage at times!
Post by: Stirk on March 22, 2012, 01:37:29 pm
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Right now, my workaround would be making the default Lizardmen some kind of formless and weak creature that must be "grown" into a Skink/Slann/Saurus/whatever at a special spawning pool workshop. It would be neat and kinda closer to their fluff, but I would want feedback from you guys first!
That would be interesting, but wouldn't that make them vulnerable in wolrdgen? The ork seem to get wiped out half the time, I would imagine a race of weak and formless creatures would be wiped out rather quickly....Wouldn't they?
Post by: mrtspence on March 22, 2012, 02:59:50 pm
QuoteRight now, my workaround would be making the default Lizardmen some kind of formless and weak creature that must be "grown" into a Skink/Slann/Saurus/whatever at a special spawning pool workshop. It would be neat and kinda closer to their fluff, but I would want feedback from you guys first!
That would be interesting, but wouldn't that make them vulnerable in wolrdgen? The ork seem to get wiped out half the time, I would imagine a race of weak and formless creatures would be wiped out rather quickly....Wouldn't they?
Not sure. Elves tend to make it. But I only ever run Short or Very Short Histories to ensure that the maximum number of civs survive and most tend to stick around.
Also, a gigantic Beastmen ambush of around 40 gors and centigors all riding brettonian warsteeds just about wiped out my fort. Down to 9 members, 2 of them children.
EDIT: Down to 6 members. 2 of them children.
EDIT: Down to 4 members. The children were infants and starved, their mothers brutally murdered by beastmen.
I have ordered the remaining members to burn all of our meat into charcoal and shall then order them to charge into the beastmen horde. 3 of them are cultists and will likely be cut down in an instant, but my incursion leader who has been here all along is a Champion of Khorne. Let it be known that the brave men of Lancedinched will not have died without a fight.
The reclamation will begin soon and I shall be sure to capture and brutally torture any beastmen that show their sorry hides.
Been my favourite fort ever so far.
I was just starting to stabilize too haha! It's year 5 and I still don't have a military, and I refuse to use traps for defense (traps are for weaklings, not chaos warriors!) so things are getting rough. It has been 5 years of insanity and I could not be happier with it!
Post by: Stirk on March 22, 2012, 03:11:59 pm
QuoteRight now, my workaround would be making the default Lizardmen some kind of formless and weak creature that must be "grown" into a Skink/Slann/Saurus/whatever at a special spawning pool workshop. It would be neat and kinda closer to their fluff, but I would want feedback from you guys first!
That would be interesting, but wouldn't that make them vulnerable in wolrdgen? The ork seem to get wiped out half the time, I would imagine a race of weak and formless creatures would be wiped out rather quickly....Wouldn't they?
Not sure. Elves tend to make it. But I only ever run Short or Very Short Histories to ensure that the maximum number of civs survive and most tend to stick around.
Also, a gigantic Beastmen ambush of around 40 gors and centigors all riding brettonian warsteeds just about wiped out my fort. Down to 9 members, 2 of them children.
EDIT: Down to 6 members. 2 of them children.
I was just starting to stabilize too haha! It's year 5 and I still don't have a military, and I refuse to use traps for defense (traps are for weaklings, not chaos warriors!) so things are getting rough. It has been 5 years of insanity and I could not be happier with it!
You have a point about the elves. How in Armok can they survive even a year?
Other than that, you should try playing ork. I can't seem to manage getting over 20 people before civilization collapses....
Orcs seem to only be able to live ten years on their own before their civilization collapses, for some reason. Kabolds also live short lives often in this mod. I assume that regular attacks of dragons and better-than-steel weapons basically kill off everything that can't fight them off...
Post by: mrtspence on March 22, 2012, 03:35:57 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 22, 2012, 03:40:32 pm
Post by: Stirk on March 22, 2012, 04:05:57 pm
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Looks like I have to remove mounts from beastmen. Centigors riding horses is a bit silly.
....Don't make me picture it.
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I think this mod just creates a whole new scale of warfare. There are just so many warring races that ones without allies likely get wiped out fast. Chaos warriors and Norse and Dark Elves all get along really well, so they tend to all make it through. Orcs just may need to be tweaked so they can find some buddies. Or just increase all their starting pop sizes and the like.
Suppose I could. But that would eliminate the challenge! I have almost made the goal of 20, I have 15 right now who have survived on armadillo and kabold thief meat, the armadillos being great training. My new "Camp" mode seems to work a lot better than the tower does, taking up less resources. Only one major injury so far, one of my hunters tackled a kabold thief while the soldiers surrounded him and owned him, earning him a nice little slice on the foot. Now I have a bit of iron, so it is good ah? Wish me luck.
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Eh make that 14. The one with the small weakness is going to die. He was resting in his room when a hornbill made it over the wall and kicked his green skin right off. The military managed to save him in plenty of time and make a meal out of the bird, but the damage is done. He is now just sitting in the alleyway, starving and thirsty, and ignored. I have a coffin ready for him. Now the hospital is done, to prevent further things like this. But I will make it....
*EDIT 2*
And now my fortress attracts no migrants. Aww.
**EDIT 3**
And now a high elf siege. Wish me luck. I bet they taste good.
*(**)EDIT 4*(**)
We got slaughtered. Rushing bowman is a bad idea. The doors are now locked, that should keep them out. 5 left, the ten fighter are dead.
$$EDIT 5$$
4 left. The leader, the one most effected by the deaths, went berserk. He was a soldier and started attacking the few people who where left. Killing one. 3. Two of them are kids. The last adult was going to attack, but then one of the young ling's pet cold one bit him in the head and killed him when he went after the kid.
EDIT 6
I decided the situation would not change and abandoned the fort. I then quickly reclaimed it. Some Asari are still here, but we should be able to start again without any casualties. 7 left.
Post by: mrtspence on March 22, 2012, 04:19:50 pm
Post by: Stirk on March 22, 2012, 08:47:13 pm
Soon after the migrant wave came and I manged to get 21 ocs, one of them finally got a strange mood, which I didn't even know they could get. He wanted bones, and I had used all of them to make weaponry. So I had to decide weather to slaughter one of the ton of trolls we had or to attack the alligators and try to get something from them. For some reason I chose the alligators, and lost one soldier while injuring another. Then I just decided to slaughter one of the male trolls, since you really need only one to make the females have children. Then he started his project, and all was well in the fortress. I still had 20 people.
Then ten seconds later a Juggernaut appeared. I sent the trolls after him as I had planed, and it worked as well as I had hoped. Except that Juggernauts are completely immune to the trolls I sent, so he just slaughtered them. Since orcs can't dig, thus can't get mechanisms, I had doors instead of bridges. Wooden doors don't stop juggernauts. I sent every single man as a troop to attack the creature, of course all of our wood and bone and punches we could throw at it just bounced off like the trolls did, and everyone was soon slaughtered as well. maybe a siege engine hallway would work as a good defense?
Post by: Teneb on March 22, 2012, 09:40:49 pm
Post by: mrtspence on March 23, 2012, 10:59:22 am
mrtspence, do you have any plans to expand your Chaos Warriors with daemonic possession? I think it'd be nice addition and would help set them apart from the rest of the races.
I absolutely do. I'm just very busy with school lately, so its been hard to find the time to learn and implement the new interaction system. And I agree that it would fit in really well with all of the human sacrifice and complex reaction chains.
Post by: SDood on March 23, 2012, 05:41:18 pm
Okay i updated the Phoebus version to 1.3.2 for DF 0.34.06.Included the changes from Krantz and updated MiguelMo's sprites.
Post by: Krantz86 on March 24, 2012, 07:46:42 am
obsinite: it's a strange metal, a betweeen from stone and metal, sharp as glass and strong as bronze, the saurus equip aztek-styled weapons made of it and occasionally some piece of gear like Gor-Rok's shield.
in game i'm planning to make a rare non-smeltable stone that is strong as steel and heavy like gold and that can be used to make stone weapons
i plan to add small clusters of obsinite to obsidian, so if you can import/mine obsidian you're bound to find some obsinite stones, i'm also planning to add obsinite gems later on, after all when polished obsinite is shiny like glass
EDIT: my favourite slayer just died bravely fighting a poison spitting, bone crunching, brain eater monstrous horror that flew down the volcano shaft tearing apart a child, the trollslayer charged the beast cutting it's wings and then he smashed the beast's head with a well placed punch after a vicious battle, sadly he was literally covered in poisonous body fluids (not to mention a missing arm and various broken bones) he couldn't be saved, ive buildt a small masoleum with a gold sarcophagus for the dwarf and a silver one for the child
Post by: Man of Paper on March 24, 2012, 05:40:29 pm
She's already killed a handful of Eagle Men and a Kobold Thief in a glorious festival of blood. I'm hoping that she provides a lot of FUN for anyone who decides to take a stroll too close to my fort.
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2012, 06:08:11 pm
I've been playing this mod with the past couple versions, but I've kept myself to Adventure Mode. I started my first fort and don't know how excited I should be (CURRENT LEVEL: HIGH). I figured I'd start off as Chaos since I figured it'd give me a very different feel than LFR or Genesis could provide. Well it turns out that one of my starting seven was a Champion of Khorne. To top it off, a ton of her personality stuff mentions how calm and level-headed she is (though I don't know how effectively it'd counter/offset the natural rage the Champs have).
She's already killed a handful of Eagle Men and a Kobold Thief in a glorious festival of blood. I'm hoping that she provides a lot of FUN for anyone who decides to take a stroll too close to my fort.
Just wait until one of her friends dies. Then enjoy the show as she massacres your minions.
Post by: Krantz86 on March 25, 2012, 05:05:46 pm
I've been playing this mod with the past couple versions, but I've kept myself to Adventure Mode. I started my first fort and don't know how excited I should be (CURRENT LEVEL: HIGH). I figured I'd start off as Chaos since I figured it'd give me a very different feel than LFR or Genesis could provide. Well it turns out that one of my starting seven was a Champion of Khorne. To top it off, a ton of her personality stuff mentions how calm and level-headed she is (though I don't know how effectively it'd counter/offset the natural rage the Champs have).
She's already killed a handful of Eagle Men and a Kobold Thief in a glorious festival of blood. I'm hoping that she provides a lot of FUN for anyone who decides to take a stroll too close to my fort.
Just wait until one of her friends dies. Then enjoy the show as she massacres your minions.
*snap*
Post by: Man of Paper on March 26, 2012, 11:20:54 am
I've been playing this mod with the past couple versions, but I've kept myself to Adventure Mode. I started my first fort and don't know how excited I should be (CURRENT LEVEL: HIGH). I figured I'd start off as Chaos since I figured it'd give me a very different feel than LFR or Genesis could provide. Well it turns out that one of my starting seven was a Champion of Khorne. To top it off, a ton of her personality stuff mentions how calm and level-headed she is (though I don't know how effectively it'd counter/offset the natural rage the Champs have).
She's already killed a handful of Eagle Men and a Kobold Thief in a glorious festival of blood. I'm hoping that she provides a lot of FUN for anyone who decides to take a stroll too close to my fort.
Just wait until one of her friends dies. Then enjoy the show as she massacres your minions.
*snap*
Post by: Rossol on March 29, 2012, 01:53:15 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 29, 2012, 02:45:04 pm
Post by: SDood on March 30, 2012, 03:19:44 pm
I included parts of SethCreiyd's Flora and Fauna mod and i gave High Elf,Wood elf, and Empire mage's the ablility to cast magic via interactions.Special thanks to SethCreiyd.
Warhammer Fortress Phoebus 1.3.3
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Post by: XxPhogxX on March 31, 2012, 04:23:40 pm
Post by: Stirk on March 31, 2012, 05:00:59 pm
I think I might have a bug to report. I am finding it incredibly difficult to generate a world. The settings I am using are large world size, short history, very high civilizations, very high sites, very high beasts, high savagery, and everywhere mineral occurrence. The thing that repeatedly is happening is that the world will get up to the point where the civilizations are all placed and then it starts over. I let the generator run for about an hour and eventually got an error report about "farming civilizations" and how the world cannot generate because there aren't enough of them for some reason. Also,I am using the 34.07 Phoebus pack.
I have found it easiest to have everything on medium with a short history. I have made it work with minerals on the highest amount, and with land on the highest amount, but I have not been able to mess with much else to any success.
Post by: Teneb on March 31, 2012, 09:30:50 pm
I think I might have a bug to report. I am finding it incredibly difficult to generate a world. The settings I am using are large world size, short history, very high civilizations, very high sites, very high beasts, high savagery, and everywhere mineral occurrence. The thing that repeatedly is happening is that the world will get up to the point where the civilizations are all placed and then it starts over. I let the generator run for about an hour and eventually got an error report about "farming civilizations" and how the world cannot generate because there aren't enough of them for some reason. Also,I am using the 34.07 Phoebus pack.I'll try to look into it. I got it a while back, but I assumed it was due to me messing around with the RAWs. This was not helped due to the fact I didn't assign the Night Goblin civ it's creature at the time. I'll do a bit experimenting, see what is going on. If you could copy your errorlog here, it'd help.
Post by: SDood on April 01, 2012, 12:26:13 am
I think I might have a bug to report. I am finding it incredibly difficult to generate a world. The settings I am using are large world size, short history, very high civilizations, very high sites, very high beasts, high savagery, and everywhere mineral occurrence. The thing that repeatedly is happening is that the world will get up to the point where the civilizations are all placed and then it starts over. I let the generator run for about an hour and eventually got an error report about "farming civilizations" and how the world cannot generate because there aren't enough of them for some reason. Also,I am using the 34.07 Phoebus pack.
Hello Phog that is a problem i have been having since the new 0.34 DF update and have been trying to fix.The major problem is farm space for civs in worldgen and the only way around it that i have found is using less civilizations, i use high civs with high sites with the rest on medium and it works most of the time.This is a known problem with the new 0.34 update with civilization farming space being an issue.I have spent a long time tinkering with the raws but the only thing that seemed to make any difference is worldgen parameters.
Post by: mrtspence on April 01, 2012, 04:51:31 pm
I think I might have a bug to report. I am finding it incredibly difficult to generate a world. The settings I am using are large world size, short history, very high civilizations, very high sites, very high beasts, high savagery, and everywhere mineral occurrence. The thing that repeatedly is happening is that the world will get up to the point where the civilizations are all placed and then it starts over. I let the generator run for about an hour and eventually got an error report about "farming civilizations" and how the world cannot generate because there aren't enough of them for some reason. Also,I am using the 34.07 Phoebus pack.
Hello Phog that is a problem i have been having since the new 0.34 DF update and have been trying to fix.The major problem is farm space for civs in worldgen and the only way around it that i have found is using less civilizations, i use high civs with high sites with the rest on medium and it works most of the time.This is a known problem with the new 0.34 update with civilization farming space being an issue.I have spent a long time tinkering with the raws but the only thing that seemed to make any difference is worldgen parameters.
I am almost 100% certain this has to do with savagery. I can gen max sized worlds with max civs provided that savagery is low-ish. I think savage creatures reduce the effective area for settling in world gen and cause that problem.
Post by: Krantz86 on April 01, 2012, 05:20:04 pm
warpstone - need help on syndrome, anyone willing to help? we need to set skavens immune
obsinite - coming soon
seagold/darksteel - coming soon
Post by: Teneb on April 01, 2012, 06:20:44 pm
As to the syndromes themselves, there are many possibilities. Turning them into hostile chaos spawn is one that comes to mind. Or some other kind of mutation.
Post by: trees on April 01, 2012, 06:54:29 pm
Immunity is simple. Just add a new creature class to skaven and set the syndromes to not affect that.
This will also make the skaven immune to normal poisons, though. An easier way is to add this to the syndrome:
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[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SKAVEN:ALL]I haven't checked up on this in a while, might have to soon.
Post by: Krantz86 on April 01, 2012, 07:22:03 pm
Post by: Teneb on April 01, 2012, 07:58:28 pm
Post by: Black_Legion on April 01, 2012, 09:49:18 pm
I was looking through the raws and I found that high elf dragons have urine. Pray tell me what is this substance used for? I'm assuming something alchemical.
Post by: Teneb on April 02, 2012, 06:29:03 pm
You may want to remove vanilla goblins.
Post by: Black_Legion on April 02, 2012, 07:26:41 pm
So, Night Goblins (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6078) are in a playable state. Their alchemical reactions, however, WILL cost you one goblin since the only non-transformation result is an explosion. Will try to add more results later. Also included some changes to savage orcs, but those should only affect them in the world gen (removed [EVIL], added [SAVAGE] and some other minor stuff). Readme for the goblins included.
You may want to remove vanilla goblins.
Great to see these little gits.
I just checked the raws and two things:
-- You have two [EQUIPS] tags, this shouldn't do anything too bad but you may want to edit these.
-- This isn't really a problem with the raws but I think you may be missing a very important tag...
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[RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:NOSE:100] // Normal humanoids have a size of 10, goblins... have very prominent noses.
** Also I thought greenskins did take slaves... at least the orcs did. Night goblins tend to have mostly dwarf prisoners... If I have my lore correct mostly they use them for labor and mining as orcs and goblins don't really have much attention for something that doesn't involve bashing, eating, or fighting
Post by: Teneb on April 02, 2012, 09:17:36 pm
Post by: Stronghammer on April 04, 2012, 07:15:35 pm
oh and is it possible to create a fix or alternate reaction for iron breaker armours I have genned 12 worlds and still not seen it :'(`
edit is there any graphics for them?
Post by: Teneb on April 04, 2012, 08:41:48 pm
edit is there any graphics for them?If you mean the gobbos, no. I play in ASCII and am also terrible when it comes to sprite-making. I guess someone else will end up making them.
Post by: Stronghammer on April 04, 2012, 09:04:43 pm
Post by: Teneb on April 04, 2012, 09:10:52 pm
EDIT: here (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6078)
Bigger noses, no double [EQUIPS], slave-related wars in world gen (possibly), reaction related token fix.
Post by: Stronghammer on April 04, 2012, 09:35:00 pm
and just wondering, i cant seem to be able to get night goblins to live on so far 18 worlds. i looked in legends and they are not even being placed. for the install i just extracted the night goblin files to my warhammer raw objects folder and then allowed it to replace the existing files. i checked the error log and the only thing there is about some of their face tissues. please let me know what i am doing wrong.
Post by: Pokon on April 04, 2012, 10:17:59 pm
Post by: Stronghammer on April 05, 2012, 07:11:48 am
Post by: Teneb on April 05, 2012, 09:42:09 am
Post by: Stronghammer on April 05, 2012, 01:06:35 pm
and oh man do they fight well everything they encounter they just go RAGE and kill it
Post by: Teneb on April 05, 2012, 08:21:04 pm
yupAre you talking about the fanatics? The regular ones don't have the tokens to rage.
and oh man do they fight well everything they encounter they just go RAGE and kill it
Post by: Krantz86 on April 06, 2012, 02:06:03 am
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if you want to start using it just add this to Inorganic_metal_COMMON.txt
EDIT: *the dwarf inside me eye suspiciously to the goblin posts*
..tsk... grobi..
EDIT: fixed an issue (i think)
Post by: Stronghammer on April 06, 2012, 09:34:47 am
would it be possible to get a Hammerer sub race for the dwarfs (like how the runesmith is)
Post by: Teneb on April 06, 2012, 10:40:39 am
Post by: Black_Legion on April 06, 2012, 10:43:57 am
Won't the two inorganics having the same name ("INORGANIC:SEA_GOLD") cause the doubled-raws bug?
Yes it will. I just had a hilarious embark as wagon wood men when I had two versions of COLD IRON i was testing for a little mod. Just as a 2 or something to the end to fix.
Post by: Krantz86 on April 06, 2012, 12:54:59 pm
Won't the two inorganics having the same name ("INORGANIC:SEA_GOLD") cause the doubled-raws bug?
Yes it will. I just had a hilarious embark as wagon wood men when I had two versions of COLD IRON i was testing for a little mod. Just as a 2 or something to the end to fix.
GWAAARGH!!!!
change
[INORGANIC:SEA_GOLD] // SOIL ADDON
into
[INORGANIC:SEA_ORE] // SOIL ADDON
again 3 tries to get a post working
Post by: Teneb on April 06, 2012, 01:01:14 pm
EDIT: I guess I should have mentioned it in the readme, but beastmen executioners use axes and their goblin counterparts use maces.
Post by: Stronghammer on April 07, 2012, 02:57:30 pm
Post by: Teneb on April 09, 2012, 11:06:13 am
Should possessed creatures turn into daemons/chaos spawn or should they simply get a boost to their stats and get [CRAZED]?
Post by: Ahra on April 09, 2012, 11:15:23 am
I have to say I am beyond excited about the soon to come minecarts that toady is working on. I can already imagine a great railways under ground with dwarfs going here and there hauling ore, metal, coal and goods. The only thing tempering my excitement is the knowledge of the amount of time it takes to get these kinds of updates, but still :D !!!!!!!!You dare speak of The undgrim amongst humans?
Post by: Stronghammer on April 09, 2012, 05:51:52 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on April 17, 2012, 05:27:39 am
obsinite - i have to figure out where our miners/slaves will find it
Warpstone - i've created 2 kinds, 1 extremely dangerous that will release gaseous death on everyone (except skaven) that can be found inside the main one clusters (wich has low
any suggestions on soil placement?
Edit: also working on prosthetics
Post by: Stronghammer on April 17, 2012, 09:15:13 am
PS. still so excited for those minecarts
Edit: just as i finish posting about orks i find the 2012 orc mod. Just an idea but we should check with the maker to see if we could include it into this mod. (not as a replacement to the savage orks as they are their own thing, but as just plain old orks.)
Post by: Teneb on April 17, 2012, 10:22:47 am
Anyway, anyone has any suggestions on how a chaos spawn should look like? How many arms, special attacks, etc?
EDIT: Also, what are the files with daemonic creatures in them? So far I've found only the horrors, nurgling and juggernaut.
EDIT 2: Here is a sample from a very basic form of daemonic possession:
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EDIT 3: Just found out I forgot to remove certain tokens I added to the Night Goblins while testing. So they currently don't eat or drink. I'll upload a corrected version soon.
Post by: Krantz86 on April 17, 2012, 11:30:22 am
in the last 2 months i have genned 56 different worlds and have yet to have ironbreaker armour. Anyways best of luck to the development team.
i just re-checked it, my first gen has ironbreaker armors, just a thing, i downloaded the phoebus version to update the classic one and i've seen some duplicate errors in the bretonnian files, the only help i can give you is to check entity_dwarf_Karak and entity_dwarf_outpost to be sure that [ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_IRONBREAKER:COMMON] is present in both
Post by: Black_Legion on April 17, 2012, 12:14:38 pm
in the last 2 months i have genned 56 different worlds and have yet to have ironbreaker armour. Anyways best of luck to the development team.
i just re-checked it, my first gen has ironbreaker armors, just a thing, i downloaded the phoebus version to update the classic one and i've seen some duplicate errors in the bretonnian files, the only help i can give you is to check entity_dwarf_Karak and entity_dwarf_outpost to be sure that [ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_IRONBREAKER:COMMON] is present in both
Because the way world gen works if you have more than one type of item (ex high boot vs. low boot, both are shoes) it will try to pick both but may drop one or the other. From my experience if you have more than 3 types of items for a specific body part it tends to have two but not the third in most cases. to fix this add ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_IRONBREAKER:FORCED. This will always ensure that the civ has that item. COMMON just means there is a greater chance for the civ to have access to that item.
Post by: Krantz86 on April 18, 2012, 05:26:37 am
anyone has any suggestions on how a chaos spawn should look like? How many arms, special attacks, etc?
try making a couple of spawns of different size, one with a breath attack while the other one has many latching attacks
, even better make one of them quadrupedal wit tusks and spined back
Post by: Stronghammer on April 18, 2012, 08:16:08 am
Post by: Krantz86 on April 18, 2012, 12:15:59 pm
EDIT: uhh i noticed someting strange, since when you could "c"ut ore and boulders in the jeweler workshop?
Post by: nekronuke on April 18, 2012, 02:03:28 pm
Post by: Irracotto on April 18, 2012, 03:18:51 pm
The forces of Chaos will not be defeated by such a mundane thing!
Well, actually they were. The story of my fort was just one giant Benny Hill plot, so I felt it would be cruel of me not to share.
Part One: Athodgithu, "Brasssins"
CHAOS POP COUNTER: 7
The miner I embarked with was quickly swept off while collecting some lumber from across the river. I then lost my carpenter the same way. When I decided to do something about it (WALLS FOR THE WALL GOD), my cultists insisted on building the far edge first, and I lost another of my little chaos lemmings before I noticed and suspend the far walls.
CHAOS POP COUNTER: 4 + 5 migrants (2 of them children) = 9
Well, then my Khornite Champion went ballistic, as the one that was just swept off was her hubby. She brained one of the children from my first migrant wave with one of my dining hall tables (which promptly broke).
She then started to complain that I didn't have enough tables in my hall.
Unfortunately for me, she was also the incursion leader (high speech skills, go figure), so when the father of the child went to her to complain about the death of his child, whom she killed, she flew into a rage and punched his arm clean off.
CHAOS POP COUNTER: 4 + 4.75 migrants (
Oh goody, I thought, my first tantrum spiral! I usually play DF very, very safe, so this was new (and FUN) for me. I set my remaining cultists to work making slabs to engrave, so I didn't have crazy Chaos ghosts all over the place. That... would probably be when I realized that my only pick was swept off the waterfall. Oh, drat. Well, alright, I guess --
A Juggernaut of Khorne has appeared!
--balls.
Keeping in theme with Chaos, I made an above ground town/castle, rather than the Dwarfy death-trap pit I usually went with. I decided that traps were also very un-Chaos, so all I had was a little drawbridge. I gave the order, and instantly turtles, instructing my remaining (unhappy) cultists and warriors that they should turn to farming, at least until the big nasty stops wandering around my forests. Anyway --
Migrant wave number 2!
--seriously?
I winced as the Juggernaut wandered over to my five little migrants and... sniffed at them. He snorted, and promptly walked away.
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CHAOS POP COUNTER: 4 (unhappy) + 4.75 (unhappy)migrants ( 1(unhappy)child) + 5 (slightly terrified)migrants (2 of them children) = 13.75
I lowered the bridge, unforbidded some of the Great Wall... and some spray knocked off one of the new migrants. You just can't get good help these days. I eventually walled everything off, and delt with some Dark Elf trading caravans. I bought a breeding pair of Juggernauts, and one Asur Dragon with a boatload of bone crafts my Khornite Champion-Incursion Leader-Hunter-Butcher-Bone Carver made.
That's when I noticed after flipping through my unit list that someone was drowning. Oh come on, I walled that off, so I looked and... it was the last migrant that was swept off...
...about three months ago.
Turns out he was a Champion of Slaanesh, and I didn't bother to check, seeing as how he ran VERY FAST to start building the wall, then fell off VERY FAST.
He was quite content. He talked to a loved one recently. He admired a nice waterfall lately. He was caught in the rain recently. (Really now?)
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End of Part One.
(This was typed up in a little bit of a hurry, breaks between lectures and what all, I'll be coming back to fill in some missing names when I get back to my home computer)
Oh, yeah, this mod compilation has not only renewed my interest in DF, but actually got me over my fear of raw editing. Thank you for all your hard work!
(Edit: A few corrections for legibility)
Post by: Krantz86 on April 18, 2012, 04:05:35 pm
Well, then my Khornite Champion went ballistic, as the one that was just swept off was her hubby. She brained one of the children from my first migrant wave with one of my dining hall tables (which promptly broke).
She then started to complain that I didn't have enough tables in my hall.
*you hear a distant maniacal laugh coming from italy*
Post by: Courtesy Arloban on April 18, 2012, 04:30:46 pm
Anyway, anyone has any suggestions on how a chaos spawn should look like? How many arms, special attacks, etc?
EDIT: Also, what are the files with daemonic creatures in them? So far I've found only the horrors, nurgling and juggernaut.
I think chaosspawn should be random, and by that I mean they should copy tags from a procedurally generated creature like a titan, forgotten beast, demon, or night creature. then there hard materials could be changed by select_material to the same tag that makes gizzard stones random ANY_HARD_STONE, and their soft materials could be EVIL_CLOUD_1, and EVIL_RAIN_1.
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try making a couple of spawns of different size, one with a breath attack while the other one has many latching attacks
, even better make one of them quadrupedal wit tusks and spined back
making multiple castes is good too, if you have a lot that are barely recognizable as the same creature, it can seem like it was just spit out of chaos.
Post by: Krantz86 on April 19, 2012, 02:37:50 am
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i'm not sure if that's a serious issue, if it isn't i'll release the new version
EDIT: test results showed that dwarf throw insults at their foes while in combat, it was my first attempt with new interaction system, it doesn't seem to do anything except boast the player morale...
Post by: Teneb on April 19, 2012, 12:11:44 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on April 19, 2012, 02:44:04 pm
many small fixes/updates
added gem cuts to dwarves
added sea gold
added night goblins
EDIT: to avoid conflicts or diplicate error i have packed the whole Objects folder so you can simply swap it
EDIT2: the test fortress is going wonderfully, i've found a vein of sea gold at lvl5 and at lvl 70 meteoric ore the combination of Sea Gold Hammers and Elaborated Runic Axes is dreadful, at year 7 i faced about 6 sieges by goblins, dark elves and a kobold assault which surprised me with their skill to avoid traps and i got about 5 victims, right now i bought about 6 Asur Dragons and i'm trying to make them hatch, btw i bought the whole caravan with a sea gold jug, also i've sent an artifact to the king
the humble whip, a rock crystal scepter decorated with dark elf bone and pig bone, encircled with bands of oval cut yellow zircons, cedar cushion ametyst cabochons pine and oak. this object menaces with spikes of rock crystal
i tried to imagine the scene and the result was this:
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Post by: Teneb on April 19, 2012, 06:26:43 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on April 20, 2012, 03:11:55 am
EDIT: buahaha.. i just restored the game and a dwarf used the leg of that executioner to create a gabbro grudge tome decorated with dark elf bone and encircled with bands of emeralds and cut amethists, it's going in the great hall...
one thing: anyone knows dwarven hierarchy names? i know only thane, lord, king, highking
Post by: Stronghammer on April 20, 2012, 07:34:24 am
Post by: Gukag on April 20, 2012, 08:36:05 am
Post by: Teneb on April 20, 2012, 10:24:47 am
Post by: Pokon on April 26, 2012, 04:51:17 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on April 30, 2012, 10:20:25 am
i've created warpstone veins and clusters but i need a poison/syndrome for the deadlier one
also i've created a special workshop, "the bugman's still" it allow distilling massive amounts of alchool from wheat and barley
using "Alchemy" skill, i've tested it and the dwarves will need extensive work to set one up but it will produce two variants of the finest nectar in the dwarven kingdoms the XXX and the XXXXXXXXXX
what i need to release it is a positive syndrome to add a season-long bonus to the drinker and a week-long positive syndrome to represent it's benefical effects
Post by: Teneb on April 30, 2012, 10:54:13 am
If you check the daemonic possession interaction you'll see it includes a syndrome that (should) increase the target's strength.
Post by: Krantz86 on April 30, 2012, 11:11:56 am
What exactly do you want the effects to be?
If you check the daemonic possession interaction you'll see it includes a syndrome that (should) increase the target's strength.
something like adding temporary tokens, like NOEXERT or NOFEAR or enhanced skill learning rates(because fully boozed dwarves work better)
as i said i suck at poisons/elixirs the only thing i managed to do was shapeshifting potions which are useless right now
Post by: Teneb on April 30, 2012, 04:15:28 pm
[CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE:STRENGTH:300:1000:TOUGHNESS:300:1000:START:0]
[CE_ADD_TAG:CRAZED:START:0]
This means it starts right away. You can add an END:X after that START:Y(if you want it to kick in after some time)/0(to start right away) (it should result in [CE_ADD_TAG:<TOKEN>:START:Y:END:X]) to determine when it ends. You'll have to do some testing to get the duration you want, but it shouldn't be too hard.
I hope that helps.
Post by: Krantz86 on May 01, 2012, 09:00:44 am
for now the first level Hazkal aka young brew beer
Building:
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Pseudo plant (resource):
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finally the beer:
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please everyone tell me what you think(expecially about the syndrome)
Post by: Teneb on May 01, 2012, 11:31:44 am
Post by: Krantz86 on May 02, 2012, 04:26:32 am
try to imagine Urist McBrewer hidden in the still trying to produce his "emergency stock" of fine ale(Hazkal)
also, i just got struck by some interesting ideas, they are just notes for now but i'll start researching as soon i have some free time
3 shrines
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Post by: Dunamisdeos on May 16, 2012, 03:52:03 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on May 22, 2012, 09:54:37 am
Post by: Dbuhos on May 27, 2012, 12:13:34 pm
I didn't see any Bloodletters in the raws so I decided to write them up.
Here it is.
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Post by: MiguelMO on May 28, 2012, 03:36:27 am
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/ngoblins.png)
I have some doubts about the sprites: How do you make the background colour darker? The background colour in phoebus' sprites is the same colour I use with mine (some kind of grey), but phoebus' background colour looks darker ingame and I don't know why.
I also have some doubts about the mod: I've been playing with imperials, but I can't use bituminous coal nor lingnite in smelter to make coke. I also think that it would be a good idea (if it hasn't been added) to add a woorkshop to make planks from logs. Then we could get 2 or 4 pieces of building material with one single log. That would be very useful for bretonnians or imperials, who make fortresses above ground.
That's everything I wanted to ask.
Miguelmo
Post by: Krantz86 on May 29, 2012, 11:05:41 am
:X Lovely.
I didn't see any Bloodletters in the raws so I decided to write them up.
Here it is.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
mmh.. very interesting, do you mind changing it a little? you could set it as intelligent to add it to the castes or if you're good with interactions make a possession spell..
Post by: maki32 on May 29, 2012, 12:17:56 pm
Thank you!
PD: And how can I play another race?
Post by: Krantz86 on May 29, 2012, 01:42:13 pm
if you want to use one of the races while choosing a place to set in embark and choosing a civ press tab the first rece in the neighboor list is your race, remember most of time one or two races get wiped out in long gens/small maps
Post by: Teneb on May 29, 2012, 01:58:34 pm
Post by: SDood on May 31, 2012, 03:51:40 pm
And Krantz i see you have released the 1.3.5 update but the download link is still version 1.3.2 from March 6th,could you reupload it?
Post by: Krantz86 on June 01, 2012, 03:57:26 pm
FIXED
Post by: SDood on June 05, 2012, 05:45:47 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 05, 2012, 06:39:39 pm
Post by: SDood on June 05, 2012, 07:33:13 pm
Hey guys just an update on what i am working on. I am working on updating The Lizardmen mod again and get it out of alpha and into the mod, i also have included work from Dbhuhos' Warhammer - Valar Morghulis mod and i am mainly going to be playtesting and see what i need to fix.
Post by: Irracotto on June 06, 2012, 04:08:23 pm
- Chaos
One major bug I found previously was that Female Khorne Champions were unreasonably common. I looked into the raws and it seemed that they were lacking [POP_RATIO: 1], which is applied to the rest of the Chaos Champions. I'm guessing that caused it to default to [POP_RATIO: 50] (The standard Male/Female caste ratio). Its present in both the new classic and Phoebus versions. I also checked the Chaos Crusaders - they're lacking the same [POP_RATIO: 1].
A couple of minor bugs hover around the Blue and Pink Horrors. Being semi-intelligent, they throw parties and have titles if bought from a caravan (think vanilla Trolls). They also cause some spam due to cancellations, but I don't remember off the top of my head what they were. I'll have to double check on that.
Post by: SDood on June 07, 2012, 05:39:00 pm
Cheers all, real life managed to run me out of DF mode, but I'd still like to help with a bit of playtesting.Thank you Irracotto,bug reports are very helpful.I'll have that problem with Chaos sorted out in the next release.
- Chaos
One major bug I found previously was that Female Khorne Champions were unreasonably common. I looked into the raws and it seemed that they were lacking [POP_RATIO: 1], which is applied to the rest of the Chaos Champions. I'm guessing that caused it to default to [POP_RATIO: 50] (The standard Male/Female caste ratio). Its present in both the new classic and Phoebus versions. I also checked the Chaos Crusaders - they're lacking the same [POP_RATIO: 1].
A couple of minor bugs hover around the Blue and Pink Horrors. Being semi-intelligent, they throw parties and have titles if bought from a caravan (think vanilla Trolls). They also cause some spam due to cancellations, but I don't remember off the top of my head what they were. I'll have to double check on that.
I fixed another bug with Chaos Crusaders they didnt have the Intelligent tag which caused them not being able to speak.
Fixed most of the bugs that show up in the errorlog.
Also i have a question does anyone want me to remove animal men from the game or should we keep them?
Post by: Krantz86 on June 09, 2012, 10:13:01 am
Post by: Teneb on June 09, 2012, 10:21:44 am
Post by: SDood on June 09, 2012, 12:02:11 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on June 12, 2012, 12:27:46 pm
i'm working on minor updates, mainly fixing a ton of tile issues in the classic version
also i'd like to ask again if someone with syndrome/interaction skills want to help me with a couple of projects
PS: my house is experiencing catsplosion, i even have a kitten on the keyboard!
Post by: Teneb on June 12, 2012, 12:33:54 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on June 13, 2012, 01:50:32 am
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also i need another one that turn a caste into another, to be more specific requires a "common dwarf" and turn it into a "trollslayer"
Post by: lignition on June 13, 2012, 08:39:55 am
here the firsti was thinking on the explosive syndrome-laced boulder system, but i never managed to get it workingSpoiler (click to show/hide)
also i need another one that turn a caste into another, to be more specific requires a "common dwarf" and turn it into a "trollslayer"
Also, I should be able to "upgrade" a trollslayer into a demonslayer for some large cost.
Post by: Kiberkiller on June 13, 2012, 10:12:32 am
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to wreck shit up as a Tzeentch Sorcerer and especially thanks for adding support for Phoebus tilesets.
Post by: Pokon on June 13, 2012, 01:32:27 pm
i think that animal men reflect the "mutant infestation" of the old world, if you have the patience you could change their name and description
You could make them a single common creature, appereing in packs, but with many different castes. So you would have tigerfolk appering alongside moosemen and the like, literaly armed with teeth.
Post by: Teneb on June 13, 2012, 01:44:35 pm
I do not know if it is possible to grant protection to lycantrophy/vampirism without making them immune to everything (removing them from general_poison class). It is however, possible to make a reaction that turns a regular dwarf into a trollslayer and a trollslayer into a daemonslayer. Assuming there are male and female slayers, you'll have to make it spawn two boulders, one with a syndrome that works only on male dwarfs, and one that works on female ones, in order to preserve gender.
Post by: SDood on June 13, 2012, 05:37:15 pm
Major changes include the addition of an updated version of the Lizardmen Alpha 2 mod, and the addition of some of the work by Dbuhos' Warhammer - Valar Morghulis mod, which includes the Orc race and Eleven Demons of Chaos - Including Bloodthirster ; Keeper of Secrets ; Daemonnetes and more. Credits and Special thanks to Dbuhos' for letting me include his work.
I have also included a fairly accurate world gen of the Warhammer Old World map which i made using the Perfect World tool,along with two other custom world gens i made.
I have also fixed most of the bugs in the errorlog as well as the reported bugs and other misc bugs that i found.
Post by: Krantz86 on June 26, 2012, 09:05:49 am
Post by: Urist McBeanie on June 26, 2012, 02:02:02 pm
Post by: SDood on June 26, 2012, 09:54:38 pm
sorry guys for not being present for the mod lately, i live in north italy and with the recent earthqakes i got thrown out my house, i'll try to update as soon as i can (no guarantees)
That sucks Krantz glad your okay, good luck.
Post by: Krantz86 on June 26, 2012, 10:55:20 pm
sorry guys for not being present for the mod lately, i live in north italy and with the recent earthqakes i got thrown out my house, i'll try to update as soon as i can (no guarantees)
That sucks Krantz glad your okay, good luck.
thanks, and yeah that sucks
No guarantees there will ever be an update? Or no guarantees that it will be soon?
i meant soon, i don't have access to a decent workstation for now so i can't test anything but i'll keep working
Post by: SDood on September 24, 2012, 01:34:50 am
Post by: Stronghammer on September 26, 2012, 07:17:50 am
Post by: SDood on September 27, 2012, 01:42:08 am
Huzzah it lives. If it gets ported to the new version i can start testing again. Saddly my other material was lost when my old laptop (recently got a new one) went kaboom.
Version 1.3.6 the Phoebus version is already at the latest version of Dwarf Fortress 0.34.11.
I am working on a heavily modded update that i plan to release soon. I'll make a new forum post for it and post the link here.
Also nice to see you again Stronghammer!
Post by: Stronghammer on September 27, 2012, 01:06:36 pm
edit: well i think i encountered a bug. The bugmans brewery creates Hazkal and bugmans ok, but for some reason the seeds it spits out are not recognized as seeds. I have a bag of thick moss spawn and cave wheat spawn, yet my farmers ignore it claiming that I have no seeds for those plants.
edit:nvm forgot it spammed that message when it was near the end of the growing season. Though while on the topic, i noticed that the hazkal has a beneficial syndrome yet the bugmans xxx has no benefit other than cost. So it would seem that I would want to leave it all as hazkal. Am I reading that right?
Post by: mrtspence on October 07, 2012, 12:18:11 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on November 28, 2012, 05:24:41 pm
the bad news are that i've lost the old work notes and all the saved tutorials
the good news are that i'm open to suggestion and i'm willing to mod
really guys if you're still interested in the Warhammer Fortress mod post some suggestion on thing you'd like to see or get fixed
Post by: Pitchblende on November 28, 2012, 05:44:58 pm
Are you going to add the Chaos Dwarves?
Post by: Funk on November 28, 2012, 06:42:58 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on November 29, 2012, 06:02:29 am
im thinking of doing a adventure mode add on for the forces of chaos, drawing heavy from the old realm of chaos and slave to darkness books.
interesting, do you have a project?
powers
gear
crafting..
my own projects so far:
Orc tribes - project status: 5% sketching phase
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Post by: MiguelMO on November 30, 2012, 11:50:03 am
About suggestions, the orc and ogre tribes sound really cool for me, but unfortunately I can't help you modding, I don't have enough knowledge. I also like the adventure mode addons.
Greetings
EDIT: Here is the sprite update. Link:http://www.mediafire.com/?m7ds521eai2btq1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?m7ds521eai2btq1)
And some examples, skavens (I've made new sprites) and night goblins:
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/Skavens-2.png)
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/Mikhail92/ngoblins-1.png)
Any suggestion is welcome!
Post by: SDood on December 12, 2012, 12:49:39 pm
Thanks for the new sprites MiguelMO.
Post by: rex mortis on December 12, 2012, 07:38:26 pm
Post by: TastyMints on December 12, 2012, 10:47:40 pm
Oh and, in my personal opinion, chaos humans and crusaders get some pretty crazy skill bonuses, to the point of a handful of crusaders wiping the floor with almost everyone, including armed Beastmen and Orcs, especially on a 400+ year time scale. Some very, very skilled chaos folk around.
Upon further inspection, body sizes of the Chaos faction and Beastman faction are FUBAR. Chaos Warriors are somewhere around ten times the size of a dwarf, which seems very wrong.
I've played with the beastmen somewhat. Below are the, in my opinion, rebalanced beastmen creature files and a new type of hoof for beastmen that will heal over time. Ungors are Similar in size and strength to humans but have more endurance. Gors are larger than Ungors, and similar in strength to dwarves, but larger so that much stronger, with a willpower bonus still. Bestigors are roughly three times larger than dwarves, are very mean, and have a talent for violence. However, their size and attribute ranges are somewhat more realistic now. ;D Centigors are very large, and very tough, watch out.
Oh and another thing, I changed their skin and eye color possibilities. Red, Scarlet, and Vermilion seemed a little redundant to me.
Spoiler: Beastmen Creature Raw (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Beastman Regenerating Hoof aka tissue_template_beastmen.txt (click to show/hide)
Sorry if it's presumptuous of me to show up out of the blue and play with other peoples' work. I'm wired, can't sleep, and need something productive to do.
Oh and by rebalanced, I mean they're balanced around dwarves, which appear to be similar to, if not the same as, vanilla dwarves. Beastmen make fierce opponents even without vast size advantages. Their claws and horns are deadly.
Post by: TastyMints on December 14, 2012, 04:21:02 am
Post by: Krantz86 on December 14, 2012, 05:25:39 pm
Hey guys, its nice to see that Krantz is back! I took a break from DF for a couple months, i plan to start modding again soon. Version 1.3.7 is almost finished, i have cleaned up a lot of the files and fixed bugs and many other things i forgot. Updated Valar Morghulis by Dbuhos, which includes more realistic bodies and Ogre kingdoms.
Thanks for the new sprites MiguelMO.
good, i'll wait for your version to release the classic version, sadly i don't have much free time but i'll try come up with new stuff.
EDIT: also i kinda disagree to beastmen forts or "visible enclaves" they would never tolerate civilized structures like forts or cities let alone build them...
Post by: TastyMints on December 14, 2012, 08:36:22 pm
EDIT: also i kinda disagree to beastmen forts or "visible enclaves" they would never tolerate civilized structures like forts or cities let alone build them...
Problem being Beastman adventurers don't have much access to armor or weapons befitting their race. A Beastman waltzing around in darksteel plate is a little silly yes?
Think of them as occupied human settlements. 8)
I'm interested in doing beastman cities after the next DF release. See if I can make tent poles that project leather walls for two squares when connected, or something. I could see Beastmen living in huts made of the skin and bones of their enemies. Maybe a workshop that can make bone and leather blocks?
A fortress of bones would be...impressive. Come to think of it, maybe not fortress. A temple. Maybe just an altar made of bones. I wonder if and how nomadism would work in the new release?
Post by: SDood on December 16, 2012, 11:38:01 pm
Major additions include an updated version of the Valor Morghulis mod by Dbuhos which include The Ogre Kingdoms civilization,many new items and creatures and also his more realistic bodies mod.
I also "streamlined" some of the major races, made skaven one entity instead of four, made chaos one instead of two,and dwarf one instead of two. Since we have so many civilizations in the mod i found this change really helped in worldgen,though further worldgen tweaks and testing is needed.
I also changed which races are playable in Fortress mode, right now Beastmen,Brettonnia,Chaos,Ork Savages, and Dwarves are tagged as playable in fortress mode, with Dwarves being the most feature complete and most recommended race in fortress mode. I did this as a temporary solution to help with testing in fortress mode as it is much harder to balance a race to be playable in fortress mode. These races are also the most feature complete and tested in fortress mode with many of the other races being "vanilla" in fortress mode or unplayable. Again this is only a temp fix if you wish to play another race in fortress mode you can go into the raw folder and add a [CIV_CONTROLLABLE] tag to the entity file of the race of your choice.
Also for those having trouble generating new worlds try the new custom worldgens.
update here:
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I hope everyone continues to work on this mod and contribute to bringing the Warhammer universe into DF.
Post by: TastyMints on December 17, 2012, 02:21:39 am
Beastmen could use beards, different styles of hooves, horns, animal features, chaos tattoos, etc. I imagine a Gor with a Ram's head would have a Ram's hooves and horns, so I'll have to figure out how to link those together. Maybe something suitably vague like "the animal features of a ram" etc.
Oh and if anyone's wondering why the Beastmen have a few things set to PERSONAL_ISSUE that might otherwise slide in a Beastman community, when some things are set to the wrong values you can end up with a civilization of (I shit you not) blue jays. I think this has something to do with how the game regards pets over a long period of time. It is possible to have a Tiger Man as a Mayor in a Dwarf Fortress, after all.
Oh, and I am also somewhat interested in working on Chaos Dwarves as well, but I would like to hear what you all would expect from the faction first. For example: Chaos Dwarves are very few in number. A team of seven Chaos Dwarves wouldn't come without a metric ass-ton of orkoid slaves, technically speaking. Orkoids would do the fighting, the mining, all the labor. Goblins as slaves and a Night Goblin Caste that can hold a Manager position and migrate to your fort with slaves would make sense.
I just have to make sure they don't start interbreeding. :-\ Immigrants would also have to be rare, if they come at all. Maybe that could be how Chaos Dwarf gameplay differentiates itself? Survival mod: Don't lose your original seven, repopulate Chaos Dwarven kind! Maybe figure out a way for the entire society to enter a panic spiral if there's no dwarves capable of taking the Slave-master position. Renaming Manager to Slave Driver for sure.
Hi-ho indeed.
Post by: SDood on December 17, 2012, 02:54:54 pm
I am very happy to be of help, and may go about adding lots of descriptors to Beastmen along with expanding on what I've already done with the raws. I'd like to find out what's causing the flag_with function to bug out when referencing the beastman's claw attacks and what claw/claws it is using, but I think that's just my unfamiliarity with the token system and, really, it's inconsequential. Claws work pretty much as I hoped they would, although I can't help but think I should drop Ungor claw penetration down to 50%.
Beastmen could use beards, different styles of hooves, horns, animal features, chaos tattoos, etc. I imagine a Gor with a Ram's head would have a Ram's hooves and horns, so I'll have to figure out how to link those together. Maybe something suitably vague like "the animal features of a ram" etc.
Oh and if anyone's wondering why the Beastmen have a few things set to PERSONAL_ISSUE that might otherwise slide in a Beastman community, when some things are set to the wrong values you can end up with a civilization of (I shit you not) blue jays. I think this has something to do with how the game regards pets over a long period of time. It is possible to have a Tiger Man as a Mayor in a Dwarf Fortress, after all.
Oh, and I am also somewhat interested in working on Chaos Dwarves as well, but I would like to hear what you all would expect from the faction first. For example: Chaos Dwarves are very few in number. A team of seven Chaos Dwarves wouldn't come without a metric ass-ton of orkoid slaves, technically speaking. Orkoids would do the fighting, the mining, all the labor. Goblins as slaves and a Night Goblin Caste that can hold a Manager position and migrate to your fort with slaves would make sense.
I just have to make sure they don't start interbreeding. :-\ Immigrants would also have to be rare, if they come at all. Maybe that could be how Chaos Dwarf gameplay differentiates itself? Survival mod: Don't lose your original seven, repopulate Chaos Dwarven kind! Maybe figure out a way for the entire society to enter a panic spiral if there's no dwarves capable of taking the Slave-master position. Renaming Manager to Slave Driver for sure.
Hi-ho indeed.
Your further changes to the beastmen sound great. :) This is a community mod and we rely on others to help contribute.Thank you for all of your work and thoughts on the mod.
Chaos Dwarves are indeed tricky to mod in and to make playable in fortress mode. I hope you start to work on them that would be amazing!
Edit: I updated WARHAMMER: FORTRESS - Phoebus to 1.3.8. I fixed an issue with Demons of Chaos megabeasts not showing up in worldgen i also balanced some of the races with misc changes and bugfixes and i removed the Flora and Fauna mod.
update here:
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Post by: SDood on December 24, 2012, 04:00:47 pm
update here:
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Post by: SDood on January 03, 2013, 11:52:31 am
I'll remove the classic version once Krantz finishes his update.
Updates here
Phoebus:
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Classic:
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Post by: stormcry0 on January 03, 2013, 02:04:06 pm
Thanks for all your work(And all the other guys) In this mod is just wonderful to see other warhammer fans anywhere i go
Post by: SDood on January 03, 2013, 05:01:51 pm
Hi SDood, I downloaded the newest version of your mod, the 1.4.0 to test the wonderful ogres but when I went to advanced world gen all the types of world are square islands with a very chaotic composition, maybe you forgot about it and since the last time I edited the elevations, water, mountains, etc in the advaned parameters I destroyed the worldgen I hope you can update the mod with fitting advanced parameters :(
Thanks for all your work(And all the other guys) In this mod is just wonderful to see other warhammer fans anywhere i go
Thanks, i removed two of the crappy worldgens that i forgot to remove before and added back in the default advanced world gens. Default world gen seems to work fine now depending on the settings.Reuploaded, its the same version number. If you would like you can post worldgens that you make, and i can put them in the Phoebus version, i must admit i am not very good at creating worldgens.Thanks for the feedback.
Post by: Stronghammer on January 18, 2013, 03:26:08 pm
I have tested this theory now and it works. I even got the game to make the slaves stronger and look differently, and to name them slaves. The only thing I need to work out is the possibility of having them have a different tile representing them. But besides that I already have a functioning fortress with a couple of Slave masters and many slaves kept working in the pits below.
cheers
Post by: Asra on February 02, 2013, 04:15:49 am
Post by: psychomantits on February 03, 2013, 04:40:01 am
Post by: stormcry0 on February 06, 2013, 01:37:36 am
even more, I just spent like 30 minutes making like 20 worlds with only a handful of races (including skaven) And they don't even appear in the map.... Am I getting blind? It is just me and my raws? I took a look at the raws and the skaven suddenly losed all they social stratification and are only CIV_CONTROLLABLE, but I clearly remember I had a skaven fortress in the previous version
I just love the idea of having a world with only-> empire, dwarf, chaos, Delf, Welf, orcs and SKAVEN, please help, I want my filthy rattatas :'(
Edit: OH GOD-EMPEROR!, Delf and norse too?! o_o I'm about to cry, but is 1:39 in the morning and I'm too sleepy to cry...
Edit2: I must say I'm using the phoebus version (1.40)... The one I played with norse, Delf and the like in fortress mode was in 1.38 if I'm not mistaken
Post by: Lostsoul on February 06, 2013, 02:40:04 pm
I think bretonnian nobles got too big xp bonus, whit two first migration wave every noble that arrived got legendary skill. And I though it was peasents who use their time in forge and farming.
Post by: Stronghammer on February 06, 2013, 04:25:13 pm
Post by: Stronghammer on February 07, 2013, 07:49:22 pm
Post by: Stronghammer on February 14, 2013, 12:37:15 pm
Edit: I am going to check in on the rats raws in my game and see what needs to be changed for them or improved.
Post by: psychomantits on February 16, 2013, 08:56:44 am
Code: (entity_DARK_ELVES.txt) [Select]
[ACTIVE_SEASON:SPRING]
[ACTIVE_SEASON:SUMMER]
[ACTIVE_SEASON:AUTUMN]
[ACTIVE_SEASON:WINTER]makes them trade each season too
Post by: Stronghammer on February 16, 2013, 01:24:16 pm
Edit: Success for Karak Egul. They came in the dead of winter cloaked in shadow and hidden by the snow. They approached quietly in formation towards the open gate of the unprepared Dawi. The leader signaled the group to come to a halt, so that they might hear anyone approaching. The lead Druchii had an arrogant smirk upon his face, at the realization that once again they would catch the short bastards umnaware. Just last year Elan and his ambush party had taken another group of dwarfs by surprise. The leader almost chuckled at the stupidity of this race. These dwarfs had embarked even closer to the Druchii lands, in search of more ores and riches. In fact this group was said to be even lead by the same dwarf who lost the last group. This would be an easy slaughter. With a wave of his hand the group advanced forwards. Everything was going according to plan until the group got within a few feet of the gates.
Suddenly with a click and a snap seven cages sprang up and captured the forwards scouts. The leader swore under his breath at being tricked so easily. He waved the second group forward, determined to show these dwarfs their inferioirity. However that is when everything went to hell. The second group charged forward their anger boiling over from the imprisonment of their fellows. Suddenly and runic stones burst from the walls and ceilings the crush heads and breaking limbs. The stones where covered in grudges and curses brought from the last fort and being used to crush the Druchii. The Druchii all began to flee trying to escape the tunnel of death, no longer confident in their victory. This was when the ground opened in the side of the cliff face and eight iron plated Dawi burst forth. No inch of the dwarfs could be seen beneath the plates of metal, which were all covered in runes. The dwarfs swept forward a tide of death cutting down any who tried to flee. The leader of the raiders had almost gotten out of range of the dwarfs when one sprang across the river and brought him down with its armoured weight. The leader looked up at the iron visage of the dwarf a questioning look on his face. "But how?" The leader's last sight was that of a runic axe sweeping down for his head.
So ya I sped to get iron and runic weapons up before the druchii came. It went brilliantly though i could never harm them through their Dark metal or whatever armour.
Post by: Krantz86 on March 03, 2013, 10:10:01 am
Post by: Stronghammer on March 03, 2013, 02:36:23 pm
Post by: Krantz86 on March 04, 2013, 02:22:35 pm
anyway i'd like to say that i'll release new version soon but i can't actually find 10 spare minutes those days, but i can promise that i'll keep supporting the mod updating links and main page till i manage to resume working on it
Post by: Stronghammer on March 04, 2013, 03:01:47 pm
Regards
Post by: stormcry0 on March 05, 2013, 04:46:18 pm
So my only conclusion is that the skaven raw is broken somehow and that's why it never shows when any other race can replace it.
A clever design it seem, but still I don't know what is wrong with skavens to crash the game.
praise this mod, praise Sigmar!
Post by: SDood on March 26, 2013, 01:08:12 pm
Special thanks to psychomantits and Stronghammer for their help!
WARHAMMER: FORTRESS - Phoebus updated to 1.4.1
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WARHAMMER: FORTRESS - Classic updated to 1.4.1
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And stormcry0 i am not having any problems with skaven raws or skaven in worldgen or legends, using Phoebus version 1.4.1.
Post by: Stronghammer on April 12, 2013, 07:44:01 pm
Edit: Hey was wondering, is it possible to put a skill cap on certain skills for certain races? Like cap the skaven mining at proficient or what not? just curious as I am working on giving my skaven more flavour as right now they play like vanilla dwarfs
Post by: Stronghammer on April 24, 2013, 10:30:00 pm
The drums sounded in the second deeps of Karak Egul. In a great horde the vile green skins came. Hooting and hollering the vile force charged down an abandoned mine shaft towards the main mine complex. Drums and and crude bellowing echoed down the tunnel to the ears of the stout Ironbreaker guards. "Sound the alarm! Send for aid from the the upper complexes!" Bellow Thagri leader of the group of ironbreakers. One of the longbeards put lips to a goat horn and blew a long solemn note that shook the walls. Again and again he blew warning his fellow dwarfs of their plight. With the hold warned the small group of ironbreakers had but one task left to them. Hold the green skins for the others to come.
"Right boys nothin gets by! FOR OATH AND HONOUR WE TAKE NO STEP BACK!" As Thagri bellowed the oath the tide of greenskins crashed through the small wooden door and fell upon the dwarfs. Iron swords clanged of gromril plates while runic axes carved off limbs. Tirelessly the dwarfs hacked at the coming horde. With every swing a goblin fell with a split skull or with its head far from its shoulders. Endlessly the 5 dwarfs fought, hacking left and right full filling many oaths and righting a seemingly endless list of grudges against the hold. None measured up to the legendary figure of Thagri. His armour and axe glowed with the light of runes and everywhere his axe swung a bright trail of death followed. He blocked one goblin's clumsy thrust with his shield and severed the goblin in two with the back stroke of his axe. Another goblin jumped from the horde to try and charge the dwarf. But the goblin bounced off as if he had hit a wall. It never came out of its daze for Thagri severed its head. The dead piled high around the dwarfs yet there seemed to be no end to the horde. It was to be a glorious death for them indeed. Yet just as Thagri chopped the last gobbo in front of him he saw his end. Out of the shadows flew six arrows fast and true. He took one in the shield, two clanged off his gromril plate, yet the last three found their way in. One struck his throat through the mail gorget, while the remaining two struck him in the face. In outrage Thagri bellowed at the filth and clove another two greenskins who ventured to close. Yet the steam had finally left his boiler and he was struck down by a spear wielding goblin from behind.
As Thagri fell the last sounds he heard was the blowing of a great horn. The upper hold was under attack....no aid was coming. Two more had fallen in the group leaving two longbeards back to back fighting off the horde. "HOLD THEM BACK! NONE MAY PASS!" screamed the Hraggi of the Gemchipper clan as he gutted a goblin in front of him. "This will not be the day were a Gemchipper need tell a Copperhand dwarf his duty." Came the bellowed reply of Throdin at his back. With a cry of outrage the two dwarfs charged head long in to the horde to kill their foes and meet their doom.
Ya I finally lost my hod to the combined attack of goblins and drow. They both sieged and brought an ass load of guys. It took my computer two hours to do the whole fight. This was just one of the fights i got to witness in the lower depths of the hold. Hope you guys enjoy. I might write the Thanes end if you want.
Post by: Pokon on April 25, 2013, 02:50:34 pm
Post by: Stronghammer on April 25, 2013, 04:51:45 pm
Well now I get the opportunity of founding a new hold for the glory of dwarf kind Karak Dharkhangron, the hold of the dark deeps. Lets see if this one lasts longer than Karak Egul.
Post by: OmegaShadowcry on April 28, 2013, 07:33:45 pm
And now for the part where I yell...
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
Post by: Stronghammer on May 06, 2013, 03:55:07 pm
Post by: abrightdark on May 08, 2013, 08:50:43 pm
Awesome mod btw great work everyone involved.
Post by: Stronghammer on May 09, 2013, 08:53:47 am
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Post by: Stronghammer on May 09, 2013, 02:18:28 pm
Post by: Lostsoul on May 14, 2013, 09:12:59 am
But yeah, awsome mod anyway.
Post by: Pokon on May 14, 2013, 03:08:21 pm
I think bretonnian nobles should be nerfed. They got allready legendary skill when they move to my fortress. Theres no point, that you get so skilled workers so early.
Well, they are pretty uncommon, and they are the only educated people in the country besides the knights, and there entire purpose is to kill things with fancy weapons.
Realating to this, I started up a Bret fort and got six worthless commoners and a Grail Knight. I do belive the game is telling me something.:P
Also, for modding suggestions, are Rhinoxen in? Any plans for Slaughterbrutes and Vortex beasts?
Post by: SDood on May 18, 2013, 07:21:23 pm
I think bretonnian nobles should be nerfed. They got allready legendary skill when they move to my fortress. Theres no point, that you get so skilled workers so early.
Well, they are pretty uncommon, and they are the only educated people in the country besides the knights, and there entire purpose is to kill things with fancy weapons.
Realating to this, I started up a Bret fort and got six worthless commoners and a Grail Knight. I do belive the game is telling me something.:P
Also, for modding suggestions, are Rhinoxen in? Any plans for Slaughterbrutes and Vortex beasts?
Yeah i can look into nerfing the nobles so they do not learn ALL skills so fast and just select ones, Since nobles would not be common workers anyway. I am planning on adding Slaughterbrutes and Vortex beasts along with the rest of the Chaos units.Good call on the Rhinox i overlooked those i'll plan on adding those as well.
As for updates i haven't worked on anything new since the last version, i may start making some new creatures and other updates while i wait for the new Dwarf Fortress update and plan on converting everything over and updating it to the new version of Dwarf Fortress at some point.
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on August 07, 2013, 08:08:40 am
Im trying out the Bretonians for the first time and got two knights right off the bat. This should be fun. Wooden castle here I come.
I did this once, I decided to build the greatest fortress Bretonnia had ever known to defend a strategic pass. Long story short, trolls decided to give the inside of my mount pass fortress a new coat of red paint. Then, playing as the dwarves I reclaimed the pass and defended it with dwarven ingenuity, including pumps, a drainable moat that doesn't drain, and a second hidden entrance that breaks all the time and drowns people. Ironically, most of my dwarves live in a connected village in worse squalor then the bretonnian peasants ever did. Speaking of which, I managed to enslave the bretonnian ghosts to work the fields they once plowed in life.
Post by: Ikodije on August 10, 2013, 11:18:13 am
Post by: Suds Zimmerman on August 10, 2013, 11:22:20 am
Hi guys im new here i wanted to ask a stupid question how do you pick which race you wanna play?
I'm not too familiar with this mod, but, generally, you want to go into the entity files and make sure the entity you want to play has [CIV_CONTROLLABLE]
If multiple entities have that, you want to press tab on the embark screen until you get the choice to select your civ, and pick one of the relevant race. Hope this helps.
Post by: Ikodije on August 10, 2013, 11:39:45 am
Post by: LordBaal on July 11, 2014, 11:00:19 am
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Post by: SDood on February 22, 2015, 04:47:49 am
This is still a community made mod and any contributions people can make would really help in improving it. Thanks to everyone for the help and i hope we can continue to improve on this.
Currently working on fully updating all creatures and races to the new Dwarf Fortress, i had to remove a lot of the personalities for the civilization races because they were redone so most will just be the default random. I need to go one by one and update all civs and creatures so they will be able to sweat, cry, spit, smell, apply new gaits, etc. I also need to update civ's to be able to take advantage of new features like being able to become mercenary's. Not sure when i'll be done i will try and concentrate on civilizations first.
Link for Warhammer Fortress 1.5:
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Post by: LordBaal on February 22, 2015, 11:43:28 am
Post by: Stronghammer on February 22, 2015, 06:48:47 pm
Post by: SDood on March 02, 2015, 01:45:50 am
1.5.1 update here:
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Post by: LordBaal on March 02, 2015, 08:19:39 am
Good news everyone(http://media.tumblr.com/62c5bc36889db6d8bbbb0fd72d858a2a/tumblr_inline_n2fl9aU6YH1qbbbiz.png)
Post by: jboy on March 29, 2015, 09:09:05 am
Post by: vjmdhzgr on March 29, 2015, 02:23:58 pm
Is there a reason why i can only brew mead at my still? i have other plants for brewing but im only given the option to make mead.In the most recent DF update brewing drinks was seperated to brew drinks from plants and brew drink from fruits and both reactions now need to be added to civilizations causing a lot of problems with updating civilizations from old versions. Unfortunately there's no way to fix this in an already generated world, and you'll need to generate a new one.
Post by: jboy on March 30, 2015, 12:00:16 pm
Post by: mcolombe on March 30, 2015, 12:44:49 pm
Post by: vjmdhzgr on March 30, 2015, 05:17:24 pm
Even when I create a new world it still only let's me grew mead. If you could tell me how to fix it I would have no problem creating a new worldI'll be writing this assuming you have no knowledge of modding to make sure you can understand. First you'll want to go the Dwarf Fortress folder. From there open the folder called raw, and then the folder called objects. If you scroll down there will be several file names that start with "entity_" then have the name of one of the civilizations from this mod after it. You need to open the file of whichever civilization you want to edit, so any playable ones, I'm not sure which those are I haven't played this mod I've just downloaded it and looked at it. I just took a brief look now, and dwarves, elves, humans, goblins, and kobolds are all in entity_standard, and they all are correct already so you won't need to fix those. The next step is to copy the next two lines
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BREW_DRINK_FROM_PLANT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BREW_DRINK_FROM_PLANT_GROWTH]
as you'll need to paste them soon. Now you should be able to just paste those lines anywhere under the "[ENTITY:WHATEVER THE ENTITY NAME IS HERE]" line.If you want it to look neat and be in the same place as in the vanilla files you can look for the line [PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_WAX_CRAFTS] and the line [PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_MEAD] and paste it inbetween those, but that's not necessary. After that any new worlds you generate should allow the civ you pasted that line into to properly brew plants.
Post by: vjmdhzgr on March 30, 2015, 05:25:10 pm
Hi there, been a big fan of dwarf fortress for three years. also been a big fan of games workshop stuff since i was a kid. Just one question, how do select the races when starting a fort. Also how many of them are playable. cheers.To select race when starting a fort you need to be on the choose embark location screen and press tab. The first time should toggle that site information window to a neighbors window (if it doesn't try pressing tab a few more times I don't remember the exact amount, I just think it's one). On there the top race listed is the one you're currently about to embark as. To change it press tab a few more times until you get a list of names, all of which are names of different civilizations in the world. Use the - and + keys to change the civilization you're embarking as. However, on that screen you can't see what race that civilization is, so you'll need to press tab until you get back to the neighbors screen and check there. Repeat this process going through the list of civilizations until you find one you want. As I said in my previous post I haven't played this mod, just looked at its raws, but from the looks of it all races are playable, but I don't know how feature-complete they'll be. Some might be pretty much completely unplayable even though you're able to embark with them, but it would be difficult to figure out exactly what is missing from each one without trying them.
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Post by: smakemupagus on April 16, 2015, 11:37:04 pm
If i had any skill at modding, i would try and make this mod myself.SIGH.
Noone knows how to mod until they start!
Post by: mcolombe on April 17, 2015, 04:12:53 pm
Post by: smakemupagus on April 17, 2015, 08:48:36 pm
Post by: Etherdrinker on April 21, 2015, 08:52:14 am
I still have the files in my DF folder.
Post by: mcolombe on April 21, 2015, 09:52:55 am
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Post by: vjmdhzgr on April 30, 2015, 05:07:38 pm
Are there still no warhammer fans with modding skills who want to update this mod? it seems a shame considering the warhammer has a nice fantasy mythology and lots of interesting races. skaven, chaos dwarfs, dark eleves, orcs, beastmen, multiple human factions, goblins, and loads of other factions. This mod could be so fricking awesome if it was updated and improved.Alright, mcolombe, how about I tell you how to update the mod? I don't have much of an opinion of Warhammer, but updating from 34.11 to 40.24 should be pretty easy. First step is to copy the raw and data folders from the main dwarf fortress directory into a new version of Dwarf Fortress. The next thing is to search through the files in the objects folder in the raw folder, and compare them to the ones in a vanilla dwarf fortress, and if there's any files that contain basically the same thing, then just replace the old files with the new ones. I won't go to the next steps yet, I want to make sure you're okay with this and also it would be easier to solve potential problems if the instructions are given step by step.
Post by: mcolombe on May 02, 2015, 03:17:11 pm
Post by: Altivera on May 02, 2015, 09:43:24 pm
if i was being brutally honest i am literally completely braindead when it comes to modding. though thanks for for advice vjmdhzgr. take it easy buddy.The mod was updated to 40.24 just look at the previous page
Post by: mcolombe on May 03, 2015, 05:29:33 am
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Post by: vjmdhzgr on May 03, 2015, 10:57:12 am
ah crikey, how daft can one man be. it is true, i should have just downloaded the latest version. it has been updated to version 40.24. MY BAD. Thanks for pointing that out Altivera. (runs away to hide under a rock as he is feeling foolish).There is one thing that was missing from the update that I made a post on how to correct on the last page. I'm surprised I managed to forget making that post and didn't realize myself the mod was updated.
Post by: mcolombe on May 03, 2015, 03:51:45 pm
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Post by: FantasticDorf on September 22, 2023, 12:59:11 pm
Its interesting to mention that no less than 2 mods on the steam workshop for steam graphical v.50 already exist featuring warhammer lizardmen (in some iteration) at the top of the popularity list with some more races in the works by one of the content creator's, the game is so fundamentally different now i wonder how any of the old Warhammer mods would even run in the eccentric playstyles of each race on steam.
Of course much like the Long Night, you could play a upcycled and updated version of any edition of the warhammer mods in ascii mode still without the need for graphics.