Well, I'll sign up.
Holy shit you guys, I was planning to let this sit for a bit before I registered signups.Yep. Co-mod here. If all goes well, I might actually mod a real game or two after this is over.
Also, Orangebottle will be co-mod for this game. Orangebottle will also be perfectly willing to answer any questions you have, and will help me in the day-today operations here.
Also, where'd Fanofgaming sign up?
I never did. In as a replacement, I guess.Also, where'd Fanofgaming sign up?
That's... a good question, actually. While the previous BM was going on, he told me he signed up for the next one, AKA this one. But... I don't think he actually did. I'll link him here and he can elaborate.
Toaster: as LNCP has volunteered to be non-playing IC, is it cool if you're the second playing IC? If so, game will start soon!
My favourite role.Andrew asked someone else, not you. >__>;;
Hmmm.
Well, only played this one so far, but from the role descriptions....I'd say... Probably scum would be most fun... Town is hardest, and whatever the special roles are, I'm not sure, but they've probably got something good and fun in them.
My favourite role.
Also, Andrew, I don't know yet. I haven't played before.
RVS?
As for roleblocker...what does that do?
Oh. Okay, I didn't know what the abbreviation was for.
Andrew425, you've played before. How did it go for you?
Andrew
So far, I don't entirely know who to suspect. Dsarker seems to be dodging the questions about being a roleblocker a bit, though.
Oh, okay. Why do only mafia have roleblock?
I was assuming it was a townie ability.
Remalle
If you were the doctor how would you pick a target to save?
So what does the godfather do? Just look like a townie? Does he get the other mafia stuff?
Randomly on the first night, unless for whatever reason I believe someone to be a power role, in which case I would save them.
Dsarker
First of all, townies don't know who roleblocked them. I probably read the rules a bit more than you. Anyways, how do you think you would investigate the mafia if you were a cop?
So what does the godfather do? Just look like a townie? Does he get the other mafia stuff?
It's in the rules.
Okay, so the godfather and roleblocker are the two scum, not additional to them?
Remalle. Are you mafia? (And is that even an acceptable question? :o)
Well, if they leaned on somebody who turned out to be mafia they might be the cop, or if they outright state it and nobody contradicts them. Obviously that's nowhere close to being sure, but it's something. Of course, if I and everyone else was sure someone had a power role, I might protect someone random just on the basis the mafia would assume I protect the power role, if that makes sense. By the way, is it legal for a doctor to protect themself? Because that would probably be a better thing to do than random protection.Randomly on the first night, unless for whatever reason I believe someone to be a power role, in which case I would save them.What reasons would make you think somebody would have a power role?
Remalle. Are you mafia? (And is that even an acceptable question? :o)...no. On both counts. :P
By the way, is it legal for a doctor to protect themself?
...no. On both counts. :P
If you're a doctor/cop etc, it's advantageous to use your ability every night, right? Does it protect scum also?
Dsarker
Do you prefer to play the Imperial March (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8) or Ride of the Valkyries (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU) when hunting down townies?
Hmm... lessee... ok, Shoes, let's say you have to choose between blowing up a bus full of school kids, nuns, and puppies, or else shoot your mafia partner. What do you do?
Ideally you should ask game related questions in the RVS. Asking what kind of flavor of ice cream is a player's favorite does absolutely nothing to help you find scum, which is your primary goal.
Dsarker
Do you prefer to play the Imperial March (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8) or Ride of the Valkyries (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU) when hunting down townies?
Hmm... lessee... ok, Shoes, let's say you have to choose between blowing up a bus full of school kids, nuns, and puppies, or else shoot your mafia partner. What do you do?
drakon136If I were the doctor, then I would never reveal myself. If I do so, some would likely assume me to be scum, and would also assume that I had lied about being a doctor to save myself.
If you were the doctor, in what circumstances would you find it a good idea to reveal yourself?
Drakon136Sorry, but I cannot answer that. Dsarker, if I answered that question, then you would gain useful information if you turned out to be scum.
If you were a townie, how would you try to flush out the scum?
drakon136If I were the doctor, then I would never reveal myself. If I do so, some would likely assume me to be scum, and would also assume that I had lied about being a doctor to save myself.
If you were the doctor, in what circumstances would you find it a good idea to reveal yourself?
Whoops. Almost edited that. Sorry, Dsarker, but like I said, your interrogation methods seem rather suspicious.
Sorry, but I cannot answer that. Dsarker, if I answered that question, then you would gain useful information if you turned out to be scum.
Whoops. Almost edited that. Sorry, Dsarker, but like I said, your interrogation methods seem rather suspicious.
How about this, then. What would be your strategy as a godfather? How would you use it?Strategy as a godfather? I would try to act as much like a townie as I could, without seeming too concerned about my image. I would choose one of the players, try to 'convince' the others that he was scum, and see if people would go with it. Wouldn't do this all the time, though. It'd be pretty suspicious if people saw that I started a lynch bandwagon on multiple townies.
Sorry, Jim. Strategy's pretty simple. I choose a random person to put them on the spotlight, then poke them and prod them to gather enough evidence to convince others that they're scum. If I don't get enough evidence, then I back off for a bit.
Okay, then. Dsarker, why did you say that your favorite role was scum?
Cool.
Shark, if you were a cop and cleared someone, would you fight against them being lynched or ignore it because they could be a godfather/people would suspect your role?
Drakon, you keep backpedaling whenever the slightest pressure comes your way. Why are you so afraid to mess up?I'm afraid someone will lynch me if I screw up, even this early. Why would I want to be the first person lynched in the first game I played?
Drakon, your not wanting to accidentally lynch a townie (at a point where there's no advantage to the town to NOT random lynch) seems suspicious to me. Do you have a reason?My reason is the same as above, I don't want to be lynched for screwing up. I've seen that happen a few times on other boards after only one person was lynched.
drakon136
Eh, this is a tough one, but I'd have to say Dsarker.
Yeah, I won't be voting for anyone today. I don't want to take the risk of accidentally lynching another townie.
I'm afraid someone will lynch me if I screw up, even this early. Why would I want to be the first person lynched in the first game I played?
. . .
My reason is the same as above, I don't want to be lynched for screwing up. I've seen that happen a few times on other boards after only one person was lynched.
I'm overly cautious. It's in my nature.
Remalle, do you have any previous experience playing mafia?Yes (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88720.msg2685446#msg2685446). I'm playing Beginner's partially because I've never played forum mafia and partially because I haven't played any form of mafia in a very long time.
Dsarker, Shoes, why did you vote for who you did, and why didn't you provide any reasons or questions?
drakon136Eh, this is a tough one, but I'd have to say Dsarker.
You've voted but you haven't said why.
Your reasons for your vote are critical. Not having any is one of the scummiest things you can do.
Explain why you think drakon136 and Dsarker are scummy enough to be voted, the both of you.
drakon136 seems to be acting scummy, but it could just be because he's new.
I voted drakon136 because he had been evasive with his answers to the point of not answering them because it would help scum. I did not post a reason because I was tired (to the extent of not being able to bother myself with getting a computer up) and was posting on a mobile device.
I have now made these clear. Are they satisfactory?
Also, are you aware how scummy it looks when you seem to be placing your own well-being over the good of the town?
Andrew, you haven't been very active recently. Who do you suspect, and why?
I don't have a good reason yet for Dsarker,
But isn't scumhunting for the good of the town?Also, are you aware how scummy it looks when you seem to be placing your own well-being over the good of the town?Who cares about the good of the town. That isn't anything anybody should be caring about.
The town wins when the scum are dead so go find scum instead of worrying about 'the good of the town.'
Dsarker
If you were scum how would you be playing differently?
I don't have a good reason yet for Dsarker,
Then you don't actually suspect Dsarker.
Dsarker
If you were scum how would you be playing differently?
I'd be trying to avoid lynching at all costs. Whether that be by creating doubt about the evidence or by starting another lynch target so as to equalise the number of votes and thus stop any chance of lynching.
That's because lynching is the only way for town to win. Without it, town loses. Sure, you could sometimes get a townie via lynching, and if this was possible, that'd be good. But otherwise, halting the lynching is best.
Drakon, you keep backpedaling whenever the slightest pressure comes your way. Why are you so afraid to mess up?I'm afraid someone will lynch me if I screw up, even this early. Why would I want to be the first person lynched in the first game I played?
Drakon, your not wanting to accidentally lynch a townie (at a point where there's no advantage to the town to NOT random lynch) seems suspicious to me. Do you have a reason?My reason is the same as above, I don't want to be lynched for screwing up. I've seen that happen a few times on other boards after only one person was lynched.
I'm overly cautious. It's in my nature.
drakon136 seems to be acting scummy, but it could just be because he's new.
Dsarker
If you were scum how would you be playing differently?
I'd be trying to avoid lynching at all costs.
Additional: It would also be good to occasionally throw doubt on the person who started the vote if you hit a townie with a lynch. Of course, that only works if you position the doubts before the lynching and yet also don't cause enough doubt that it makes people stop lynching them.
I meant that as the scum, I would do this.Additional: It would also be good to occasionally throw doubt on the person who started the vote if you hit a townie with a lynch. Of course, that only works if you position the doubts before the lynching and yet also don't cause enough doubt that it makes people stop lynching them.
This is a bad reason to suspect someone. If someone had a solid case on a person who flipped town, that does not make them scummy. Someone being on the vote with poor reasons, especially if it was a late or tiebreaker vote- that is a reason to suspect someone.
But isn't scumhunting for the good of the town?
Jim Groovester
If you were scum and people were getting ready to lynch you what would you do to get away?
Jim: Let's assume you're scum. If the nonplaying scum IC tried to tell you to do something differently, and you believed your way was right, how would you handle it?
Sorry for not posting in a while. School and all. In response to all the people asking me my reason for it, I'm voting for Dsarker...Well, actually, since the roleblocker question incident, he hasn't acted very scummy. Hopefully you guys won't go lynching me just because I'm withdrawing my vote for him. Drakon is indeed acting a bit evasive, though I'm not going to vote for him unless he gets a bit more suspicious.
What do you think about it? Is he new or scummy? Both? Neither?
How about some definitive opinions, man.
Drakon136Well, I would try my best to answer their questions, without giving myself away, and try to get them to suspect another person.
If you were scum, how would you try to avoid detection if a bunch of suspicion was placed on you?
Shark: Which role is your favorite in this? Why?
Shark: Which role is your favorite in this? Why?
I don't have enough experience with the bonus roles in this game to make that decision. As i've said previously, if I had a choice, i'd probably pick godfather.
If you want a less boring answer, my favorite role I've ever gotten to play was a text-based mafia role, the mafia ventriloquist. The ventriloquist can talk using other people's usernames. Chaos erupted shortly.
'For the good of the town' is a silly rhetorical phrase and it has no place in mafia. There are only straightforward arguments free of fluff. Saying things like 'for the good of the town' makes me think that you're trying to make a crappy argument better by throwing in irrelevant rhetorical flourishes and it makes me think you're trying to look town without scumhunting, which is a legitimately suspicious thing to do.Ok, I see your point. Thanks for the advice.
He was mesmerised by my avatar.
You are feeling veeeeryyy sleeeeepyyyyy. You want to tell me if you are a scum or a townie....
*fingers crossed*
That sounds really fun.
Damnit, at least at this early period you SHOULD suspect everybody. Force them to talk more, and they might let slip something that helps you guess who it is.
Inb4 one of the two mafiosos somehow gets killed in the first day and it turns out to be whoever has least votes against them atm.
Shark: I don't, I just think he is town, though I guess we'll find out shortly. My other suspicion is that it's Dsarker + ShoesandHats, since Shoes voted for Dsarker then unvoted without giving an opinion on it, as if he wanted to seem like they weren't allies. They're now both trying to lynch drakon136, as well.
Shoesandhats
Why aren't you voting? Do you suspect anyone yet?
I meant that as the scum, I would do this.Additional: It would also be good to occasionally throw doubt on the person who started the vote if you hit a townie with a lynch. Of course, that only works if you position the doubts before the lynching and yet also don't cause enough doubt that it makes people stop lynching them.
This is a bad reason to suspect someone. If someone had a solid case on a person who flipped town, that does not make them scummy. Someone being on the vote with poor reasons, especially if it was a late or tiebreaker vote- that is a reason to suspect someone.
Sorry for not posting in a while. School and all. In response to all the people asking me my reason for it, I'm voting for Dsarker...Well, actually, since the roleblocker question incident, he hasn't acted very scummy. Hopefully you guys won't go lynching me just because I'm withdrawing my vote for him. Drakon is indeed acting a bit evasive, though I'm not going to vote for him unless he gets a bit more suspicious.
The reason I haven't voted yet is because I don't want to accidentally lynch a townie, even if that almost always happens on the first day. If I have to vote for someone, I guess I'd go with Drakon. He has been acting somewhat suspicious.
What do you think about it? Is he new or scummy? Both? Neither?
How about some definitive opinions, man.
Well, he seemed scummy about how he backed off from scumhunting when others were asking him what he was doing, like he didn't want to draw attention to himself. But... it just seems too obvious. I'm gonna go with the opinion that he is town. It also feels like I'd just be going with the bandwagon of suspicion if I changed my vote to him now.
Shark: I don't, I just think he is town, though I guess we'll find out shortly. My other suspicion is that it's Dsarker + ShoesandHats, since Shoes voted for Dsarker then unvoted without giving an opinion on it, as if he wanted to seem like they weren't allies. They're now both trying to lynch drakon136, as well.
Oh, yes.
Jim
Especially you. Why haven't you voted? You're an experienced player. What has caused you to decide to bypass lynching this turn?
Caz
If you were scum, how would you try to protect your partner if he was under suspicion?
Dsarker
If you're a townie, how would you avoid getting killed by the scum?
The reason I haven't voted yet is because I don't want to accidentally lynch a townie, even if that almost always happens on the first day. If I have to vote for someone, I guess I'd go with Drakon. He has been acting somewhat suspicious.
Caz
If you were scum, how would you try to protect your partner if he was under suspicion?
Blegh. I always forget the stupid reasons (which is probably not good at all.) He was generally dodging questions, because the answers would supposedly "help the scum." Even if he has disappeared, he was probably scum anyways."Probably, probably"
Blegh. I always forget the stupid reasons (which is probably not good at all.) He was generally dodging questions, because the answers would supposedly "help the scum." Even if he has disappeared, he was probably scum anyways."Probably, probably"
Find a decision and make it. Are you scared? Seems suspicious.
Also, Unvote caz, i'm thinking his problems are noob mistakes. Also, it seems like drakon is wimping out because he's scared to answer questions.
Dsarker, you have a lot of silly sidenotes in your posts. Distracting us from the content? Nothing meaningful to say?
Caz
If you were scum, how would you try to protect your partner if he was under suspicion?
Dsarker
If you're a townie, how would you avoid getting killed by the scum?
I haven't given it much thought, Remalle. I guess I'd just do it like how I decide who to lynch?This doesn't make much sense. Don't you lynch the person you're most convinced is scum? How does this translate to choosing who to nightkill?
Andrew425: You're a bit quiet. Do you think this will make people suspect you less?
Caz, how would your gameplay change if someone claimed to be the doctor?
He's not answering anyone.That's because I'm not very good an answering questions. As you may have already seen, I often word my answers incorrectly.
His previous answers have been, consistently, variations on the theme of 'I don't want to get lynched'.That is because I just want to be lynched. Who does?
I don't particularly...but it is just a game. Don't have to suicide.Quote from: DsarkerHis previous answers have been, consistently, variations on the theme of 'I don't want to get lynched'.That is because I just want to be lynched. Who does?
ShoesandHats:Caz
If you were scum, how would you try to protect your partner if he was under suspicion?
Dsarker
If you're a townie, how would you avoid getting killed by the scum?
Why the change from "you were" to "you're?"
Jim Groovester; what is the method by which you choose who to investigate people as a cop?
Jim, why is lurking a scummy thing?
Also, to be clear - there's one cop and one doctor in the game, right? There couldn't be say, two doctors, or no cops, etc.
That's because I'm not very good an answering questions. As you may have already seen, I often word my answers incorrectly.
Everyone who was voting to lynch me, do you have any reasons for doing so other than because I'm not very active (which is due to school), or because I'm avoiding questions (which is because I suck at answering them)?
Because I don't know if he's scum, and I don't know if he's a townie. I wasn't aware that 'You were' and 'You're' would be much different in that situation. Sorry, mein grammar furor.
Shark, drakon136 and Toaster: Why haven't you voted?
Shark, drakon136 and Toaster: Why haven't you voted?
Jim, why is lurking a scummy thing?
Shoesandhats
Why aren't you voting? Do you suspect anyone yet?
Jim
Especially you. Why haven't you voted? You're an experienced player. What has caused you to decide to bypass lynching this turn?
I suspect Drakon, which is why I have voted for him to be lynched. Why am I not doing anything about him? Because he already isn't answering questions. I've got nothing and nowhere to do to him.
Also, to be clear - there's one cop and one doctor in the game, right? There couldn't be say, two doctors, or no cops, etc.
Everyone who was voting to lynch me, do you have any reasons for doing so other than because I'm not very active (which is due to school), or because I'm avoiding questions (which is because I suck at answering them)?
Because I don't know if he's scum, and I don't know if he's a townie. I wasn't aware that 'You were' and 'You're' would be much different in that situation. Sorry, mein grammar furor.
I gave my opinion on it, which was that he had acted somewhat scummy back when Jim asked him about being a roleblocker and now he hasn't done anything particularly suspicious. I'm not saying he isn't a suspect, but still.
Jim
What questions would you ask someone so as to help determine if they are scum or not? Why?
Unvote Drakon
Because, as Toaster has put it, I should be scum hunting instead of waiting to merely prove innocence.
Why did I ask only Shoesandhats? Because Drakon wasn't answering questions. I did not, therefore, think there was any point to asking him, having assumed he had given up for whatever reason. You had already stated why you were not voting, and I was too tired to think straight anyway.
As for why I hadn't asked you, you had already posted once about why you weren't. Why I haven't asked you yet is because once again you have been clear as to why.
Shoesandhats
Why did you unvote me?
And something that is slightly bothering me. Who's Michael Jordan?
Do townies win even if they die if the scum get lynched?
Shoesandhats
Why did you unvote me?
RemalleI don't know how I would know who the doctor is, but even assuming I did, it would depend heavily on the situation.
If you were a cop and you knew who the doctor was and the group was moving to lynch him, would you try to protect him by revealing your identity and his? Why?
As for you, I have not got any suspicions about you.So you didn't ask Toaster a question because you didn't suspect him, but you asked everyone else (save Shoes, in whose case the excuse is that you forgot) a question. I don't understand at all. Does that mean that you suspect everyone else, but not having any basis for that suspicion, asked random questions? Or maybe you don't actually suspect anyone because you're scum, but you're trying to deflect suspicion by seeming to devote a lot of effort into scum hunting. You also say that you forgot Shoes, then go on to ask him a question actually related to the game, a reversal of your previously established pattern. I want an explanation.
Time for a lame joke I've told before: What do you and Michael Jordan have in common? Hangtime.::)
Sorry, I had forgotten about Shoes. As for you, I have not got any suspicions about you.
-snip-
I would ask you another question, but I'm all out. What would you, as a townie, do if you knew who both the roleblocker and the godfather were, had evidence on both of them, dead certainty, etc. Would you lynch the Godfather or the Roleblocker first?
Scumteamzzzzzzzzzzzz.
For now Drakon has answered his questions satisfactorily and quelled my suspicions. Unvote.
No, that was what made me suspect him in the first place, but his answers since then and my not finding any real evidence against him since have made me reconsider.For now Drakon has answered his questions satisfactorily and quelled my suspicions. Unvote.How is, "I'm not doing anything because I'm scared I'm going to get lynched," a satisfactory answer to your questions and how does it quell your suspicions?
To those that asked why I was lurking: I had a bunch of school stuff to catch up on, and I could only get on for a few minutes at a time.This is why. The only reason I had for suspecting him in the first place was the fact that he wasn't answering questions and he seemed to be lurking. The quoted post provides explanations - maybe not great ones, but explanations nonetheless. Since he hasn't done anything like suddenly posting a lot after being called out on not posting, I believe him and chalk his scumminess up as inexperience.Quote from: DsarkerHe's not answering anyone.That's because I'm not very good an answering questions. As you may have already seen, I often word my answers incorrectly.Quote from: DsarkerHis previous answers have been, consistently, variations on the theme of 'I don't want to get lynched'.That is because I just want to be lynched. Who does?
Now then, are there any questions that I haven't noticed?
Shark
Say you were the roleblocker, and somehow knew who the cop and the doctor were. Who would you roleblock and why?
Jim
What questions would you ask someone so as to help determine if they are scum or not? Why?
Caz
If you were town, then how would you hunt out the scum? What questions would you ask and why?
Drakon
At what times would you try to appear active if you were a scum? Near the start of voting, before voting, middle of voting, or near the end of voting? Why? Would you try for an extend or not?
I think I understand. If he was scum, he would at least be trying to not look like scum. Or he's just counting on us thinking that. Uh oh...
Remalle, you ask people if they can follow your reasoning. Why would you say that? Are you afraid to post your reasoning for your actions?I asked because I wanted to know. I'm here to learn how to play better, and I've never been a good debater even outside of mafia.
DrakonI would try to be on in the middle of voting so that I would be able to help drum up more suspicion on the current person people were trying to get lynched, or get redirect their suspicion to someone else if the current person they were trying to lynch was scum.
At what times would you try to appear active if you were a scum? Near the start of voting, before voting, middle of voting, or near the end of voting? Why? Would you try for an extend or not?
Shoes, you have not been posting much recently, and only come to answer a question. If you recently unvoted, why aren't you finding the person you think you should vote? You're torn between two people, yet won't question them.
DrakonI would probably try to counter their accusations of me being scum, and draw their suspicion to someone else.
Same question as above.
Shoesandhats
Why did you unvote me?
Because to me, you weren't acting very scummy. As of now, I'm not sure what to think. Your arguments with Jim reveal that your desperately trying to prove your innocent, which is somewhat scum-like. I'm torn between you and Drakon at the moment.
Drakon136: Are you even going to try playing? I can't remember the last time you made a post.
Shoes, you have not been posting much recently, and only come to answer a question. If you recently unvoted, why aren't you finding the person you think you should vote? You're torn between two people, yet won't question them.
Eh, I guess I've become a little disinterested in mafia as of late. Perhaps its due to the inactivity of a lot of the other players, perhaps its just genuine boredom. As for the actual question, I probably haven't asked many questions due to my inactivity, so without further ado:
Dsarker
If you were scum and everybody suspected you, how would you try to draw suspicion away from you?
Drakon
Same question as above.
Shoes, you have not been posting much recently, and only come to answer a question. If you recently unvoted, why aren't you finding the person you think you should vote? You're torn between two people, yet won't question them.
Eh, I guess I've become a little disinterested in mafia as of late. Perhaps its due to the inactivity of a lot of the other players, perhaps its just genuine boredom. As for the actual question, I probably haven't asked many questions due to my inactivity, so without further ado:
Dsarker
If you were scum and everybody suspected you, how would you try to draw suspicion away from you?
Drakon
Same question as above.
Those questions seem shifty. Like you're trying to ask people how to play scum, just in case people suspect you. How these questions help you solve your dilemma?
Because if I know their tactics then I can try to spot where they might have used it.
Where the hell did all of you go?
I'll expect lots of participation during Day 2 to make up for it.
Andrew: Your last post of the day was RVS-style questioning. Do you have any picks that are worthy of mention, now that it's D2?
QuoteAndrew: Your last post of the day was RVS-style questioning. Do you have any picks that are worthy of mention, now that it's D2?
I don't have any as of yet. This is my first time making it to the second day so I don't know what kind of questions to ask. I guess I will keep doing some RVS until someone slips up
ShoesandHats: Do you still suspect Drakon? Do you have any other suspects?
Caz! When was the last time you actively hunted scum?
Well, this sucks. We lose now on a mislynch, right? When Dsarker started asking all those questions because he was under suspicion, I was sure he was scum. :(
Drakon, what do you think of the results of day 1? Were we wrong to not lynch you after all?
ShoesandHats: Do you still suspect Drakon? Do you have any other suspects?
Well, since the only other person I really suspected turned out to be a townie, that only leaves Drakon. A lot of people seem to be inactive, though (Semi-including me.)
Andrew, you've been very passive about your posts. You haven't really had any picks this whole game. Is there anyone you suspect, at all?
Like I said before, I have been doing things I consider much more important than Mafia, like school work.
Drakon, you've been hiding in the background ever since people starting voting dsarker. What are your reasons for lurking?
Drakon, Were we wrong to NOT lynch you on day 1?You were right to not lynch me, because I'm town.
As for my opinion on the lynch results, I don't really like them because Dsarker was, apparently, a townie. Only people who like mislynches are scum, and people with grudges against the person who was lynched.
Caz, what are you trying to accomplish with your question?
Remalle - You seem to be lurking a lot. Why?Too busy working yesterday to play. Before that, I was waiting for you to reply to my questions. Speaking of which, are you scumhunting now because I called you out on it?
Andrew425 - Who do you suspect to be scum?
Remalle, why don't you throw a vote at Caz if you suspect him? Are you just soft balling your teammate?Because the day had just started. There's still plenty of time to vote him AFTER I collect enough evidence against him (er, or so I assume. I'm not actually sure when the day ends, but I guess there's at least twenty-four hours left?).
Caz, who do you think was happiest voting out dsarker yesterday?
Remalle, why don't you throw a vote at Caz if you suspect him? Are you just soft balling your teammate?Because the day had just started. There's still plenty of time to vote him AFTER I collect enough evidence against him (er, or so I assume. I'm not actually sure when the day ends, but I guess there's at least twenty-four hours left?).
How about you, Andrew? Trying to call both scum at once, diverting all suspicion from yourself? Trying to get me to vote for someone that's not you? What were you doing on D1, anyway? I seem to recall you random voting Drakon at first and then doing nothing for the rest of the day.
And to everyone else - if you were cop, how would you use your findings as well as possible without revealing yourself?
Speaking of which, are you scumhunting now because I called you out on it?
Nope.
I really can't tell who's scum today, so I'm going to roll the dice and vote ShoesandHats. Is that allowed?
Remalle, why don't you throw a vote at Caz if you suspect him? Are you just soft balling your teammate?Because the day had just started. There's still plenty of time to vote him AFTER I collect enough evidence against him (er, or so I assume. I'm not actually sure when the day ends, but I guess there's at least twenty-four hours left?).
How about you, Andrew? Trying to call both scum at once, diverting all suspicion from yourself? Trying to get me to vote for someone that's not you? What were you doing on D1, anyway? I seem to recall you random voting Drakon at first and then doing nothing for the rest of the day.
Why are you acting so defensive? It was a simple question
What's your actual response to his allegations?
Explain, please. Explain why they're redundant, and explain how "redundancy" gives you the right to ignore them.QuoteWhat's your actual response to his allegations?Well his questions were redundant
Trying to get me to vote for someone that's not you? You haven't yet cast a vote, let alone on me.You're either missing my point or ignoring it. You were, if not pressuring, nudging me to vote for Caz.
I seem to recall you random voting Drakon at first and then doing nothing for the rest of the day I didn't have much time and Dsarker to me was acting much more like noobtown then noobscum. Drakon made some mistakes then lurked for the rest which is why I still suspect himWhat mistakes? What made you think you had enough evidence that early in D1 to decide Dsarker wasn't scum?
So who do you suspect the Remalle?I suspect everyone to some extent, but right now you've found yourself on top of my list.
Explain, please. Explain why they're redundant, and explain how "redundancy" gives you the right to ignore them.
You're either missing my point or ignoring it. You were, if not pressuring, nudging me to vote for Caz
What mistakes? What made you think you had enough evidence that early in D1 to decide Dsarker wasn't scum?
You didn't answer my question, and I'm pretty sure we're using different definitions of "redundant".Explain, please. Explain why they're redundant, and explain how "redundancy" gives you the right to ignore them.Odd how you ask that then quote my post that has all the reasons as to why they are redundant.
Ignore? Would you ignore questions directed at you with a FoS based on a perceived lack of "conviction"? Or maybe you'd only notice if I voted for you instead of Caz, seeing as my only ability as town is going to waste.QuoteYou're either missing my point or ignoring it. You were, if not pressuring, nudging me to vote for CazI'm asking you to have some conviction behind your words, asking easy questions without pressuring is easy to ignore for Caz, throw a vote somewhere, use your only ability as town otherwise you're acting scummy.
Again, you didn't answer my question. I'm so glad you had evidence on Drakon. Would you care to share it with the rest of the class?QuoteWhat mistakes? What made you think you had enough evidence that early in D1 to decide Dsarker wasn't scum?I had no evidence that Dsarker wasn't scum, just like I had no evidence that Drakon wasn't either. I thought the evidence was better on Drakon then Dsarker.
You didn't answer my question, and I'm pretty sure we're using different definitions of "redundant".
Ignore? Would you ignore questions directed at you with a FoS based on a perceived lack of "conviction"? Or maybe you'd only notice if I voted for you instead of Caz, seeing as my only ability as town is going to waste.
Again, you didn't answer my question. I'm so glad you had evidence on Drakon. Would you care to share it with the rest of the class?
Yeah, I asked more than one question, most of which hadn't been asked of you before, which as Toaster pointed out you dodged. And if I can force a slipup by asking a question redundantly, well then, that's not so pointless is it?QuoteYou didn't answer my question, and I'm pretty sure we're using different definitions of "redundant".We could be, i'm using it in the sense that if i've already answered the question asking me it again is pointless.
Vote or no, avoiding a question makes it look like you have something to hide. Just like lurking, actually, the very reason you're down on Drakon. Speaking of which...QuoteIgnore? Would you ignore questions directed at you with a FoS based on a perceived lack of "conviction"? Or maybe you'd only notice if I voted for you instead of Caz, seeing as my only ability as town is going to waste.I might, or I might slouch it off. Right now there is nobody voting except for me and Caz. Why would Caz feel any pressure to answer your questions unless you were voting for him? Its night in about a day. Make him or someone else feel pressured otherwise we as town are screwed.
I had already stated my opinion and my reasons. To reiterate, during the RVS dsarker asked drakon a few questions and drakon freaked out, voted dsarker then started lurking.He already did show up and defend himself, which you probably would've noticed if you hadn't been lurking yourself. How exactly did that sequence of events convince you he was noobscum and Dsarker was noobtown, anyway?
Is that incredibly scummy? no but its the best lead I have and i'm going to continue to vote drakon until he shows up and defends himself.
How exactly did that sequence of events convince you he was noobscum and Dsarker was noobtown, anyway?If you go back and read, you will see that I went from Drakon to Dsarker and then back to Drakon again. He has said a lot of stuff and hasn't backed it up yet, so that is why my vote is still on him
but what were you doing until now?Doing what everyone else was doing and not posting much, i'm taking Jim's advice and i'm trying to drum up interest in the game so the scum will expose themselves.
Caz
Give me at least two reasons why you're voting for me. Who else do you suspect, and why?
Maybe you should.
Caz
As the doctor who would you be saving tonight?
QuoteYou didn't answer my question, and I'm pretty sure we're using different definitions of "redundant".
We could be, i'm using it in the sense that if i've already answered the question asking me it again is pointless.QuoteIgnore? Would you ignore questions directed at you with a FoS based on a perceived lack of "conviction"? Or maybe you'd only notice if I voted for you instead of Caz, seeing as my only ability as town is going to waste.
I might, or I might slouch it off. Right now there is nobody voting except for me and Caz. Why would Caz feel any pressure to answer your questions unless you were voting for him? Its night in about a day. Make him or someone else feel pressured otherwise we as town are screwed.QuoteAgain, you didn't answer my question. I'm so glad you had evidence on Drakon. Would you care to share it with the rest of the class?
I had already stated my opinion and my reasons. To reiterate, during the RVS dsarker asked drakon a few questions and drakon freaked out, voted dsarker then started lurking.
Is that incredibly scummy? no but its the best lead I have and i'm going to continue to vote drakon until he shows up and defends himself.
Shark where are you? who do you suspect?
What evidence? You're making posts to explain your reasons with explaining your reasons. If you don't have any evidence that you show everyone, you're only caring about your image, and not what the vote means. Also, you're still voting drakon when Remalle tore your argument apart for doing so. This was in his post 3 posts above this, where he reminded you that yes, drakon DID show up and defend himself, and your reason for voting him was because you claimed he didn't. You have this appearance of hunting without doing the hunting, so people will not vote you.Explain, please. Explain why they're redundant, and explain how "redundancy" gives you the right to ignore them.
Odd how you ask that then quote my post that has all the reasons as to why they are redundant.QuoteYou're either missing my point or ignoring it. You were, if not pressuring, nudging me to vote for Caz
I'm asking you to have some conviction behind your words, asking easy questions without pressuring is easy to ignore for Caz, throw a vote somewhere, use your only ability as town otherwise you're acting scummy.QuoteWhat mistakes? What made you think you had enough evidence that early in D1 to decide Dsarker wasn't scum?
I had no evidence that Dsarker wasn't scum, just like I had no evidence that Drakon wasn't either. I thought the evidence was better on Drakon then Dsarker.
Yeah, I asked more than one question, most of which hadn't been asked of you before, which as Toaster pointed out you dodged. And if I can force a slipup by asking a question redundantly, well then, that's not so pointless is it?
He already did show up and defend himself, which you probably would've noticed if you hadn't been lurking yourself. How exactly did that sequence of events convince you he was noobscum and Dsarker was noobtown, anyway?
Besides that, no matter how good or bad your reasons are, you shouldn't be sitting on them from the beginning of D1 to halfway through D2, waiting for the target of a vague suspicion to respond. Sure, you've started asking questions now, but what were you doing until now? Sitting on admittedly poor reasons, doing nothing, and generally being useless to the town!
Toaster Do you think being an IC puts you beyond suspicion by most people here? Or would the mod not make you mafia for that reason? One mafia IC, one town?
Andrew425 that whole post was just you talking and defending yourself, which seems scummy to me.
Quote from: ToasterMaybe you should.
Isn't that a scumtactic?
Toaster Do you think being an IC puts you beyond suspicion by most people here? Or would the mod not make you mafia for that reason? One mafia IC, one town?
I suspect Andrew425 and Remalle, they both seem to be focusing on trying to make eachother appear as scum than clearing suspicion.
As for scummiest, Caz voted ShoesandHats at random (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=94890.msg2719957#msg2719957) and now appears to be trying to make it stick (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=94890.msg2723117#msg2723117).
What's your read on Remalle? You've gone back and forth with him a lot, but I can't see an opinion of him in your words.
He didn't defend himself!Umm, I do recall defending myself already. Perhaps you just didn't notice it?
He basically said he wasn't answering any questions because he was afraid of getting lynched. The only people who are afraid of being lynched are scum!You're saying that only scum are afraid of getting lynched? Anyone should be afraid of getting lynched if people are putting pressure on them and voting them. See, you defending yourself right now means that you're at least slightly afraid of getting lynched.
Shoes, Toaster and Drakon please fill us in on your opinions.I believe I have just stated my opinion rather well.
Andrew425 that whole post was just you talking and defending yourself, which seems scummy to me.Exactly what is scummy about defending yourself if you currently have the most votes?
Honestly I suspect Andrew425 more but don't want to be seen as 'joining the bandwagon'.If you suspect him, then vote for him. If you have a good reason, then nobody will care if it seems like you're joining the bandwagon.
As for scummiest, Caz voted ShoesandHats at random (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=94890.msg2719957#msg2719957) and now appears to be trying to make it stick (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=94890.msg2723117#msg2723117).
I'm scummy because I think ShoesandHats has been acting scummy? Why are you defending him?
I really can't tell who's scum today, so I'm going to roll the dice and vote ShoesandHats.
Honestly I suspect Andrew425 more but don't want to be seen as 'joining the bandwagon'.
If you suspect him, then vote for him.
Why aren't you voting anyone, then? Don't have any suspects?Exactly. I don't currently suspect anyone ATM, and it isn't the RVS anymore. I would try to scumhunt, but I don't think there's quite enough time to do so, what with the day ending in a few hours, and me having more schoolwork to do.
Ok found some time during lunch to write out this reply.Andrew, what's the point of your long "i'm asking questions now" metaphor when you don't actually ask a single question in that post? You tell caz what to do and ask for opinions. There are no question marks or questions at all besides "I'm asking questions now, you know why?" which is directed toward yourself.QuoteYeah, I asked more than one question, most of which hadn't been asked of you before, which as Toaster pointed out you dodged. And if I can force a slipup by asking a question redundantly, well then, that's not so pointless is it?
Toaster said I dodged the question so I went back and answered it.QuoteHe already did show up and defend himself, which you probably would've noticed if you hadn't been lurking yourself. How exactly did that sequence of events convince you he was noobscum and Dsarker was noobtown, anyway?
Besides that, no matter how good or bad your reasons are, you shouldn't be sitting on them from the beginning of D1 to halfway through D2, waiting for the target of a vague suspicion to respond. Sure, you've started asking questions now, but what were you doing until now? Sitting on admittedly poor reasons, doing nothing, and generally being useless to the town!
He didn't defend himself! He just showed up made a post about how he wasn't scum then left. In no way did he discredit my attack. He made a post on page 9 didn't post again till page 15. He basically said he wasn't answering any questions because he was afraid of getting lynched. The only people who are afraid of being lynched are scum! If he doesn't come out and help scumhunt then he's giving the victory over to the scum. So far that is the scummiest thing anyone has done so far so thats why my vote is still on him.
Yeah I am asking questions now, and you know why? because no one else is doing it. Everyone is waiting for another person to step up and make a case against a scum. Well the scum ain't going to show themselves unless we do something about it. We are all like Marines in a landing craft storming a beach. Yeah the first one off is likely to get shot but unless someone does it we are all going to get killed. I understand why it can seem scummy for me to all of a sudden be posting but unless we do something as the town we won't make it. Just don't shoot me in the back solely for trying, because that is a scummy thing to do.
Caz You gotta join in with the rest of us and help hunt scum.
Shoes, Toaster and Drakon please fill us in on your opinions.
Also, I would not vote to extend unless people were voting to lynch scum. If they were voting to lynch a townie, then there would be no point in extending, because it would give the person more time to defend themself.
Oh. Didn't know I could extend. Alright then, I vote to extend.
As for my opinion on the lynch results, I don't really like them because Dsarker was, apparently, a townie. Only people who like mislynches are scum, and people with grudges against the person who was lynched.
On the contrary, lurking is a scummy thing. That is why my vote remains on drakon136.
I'm asking you to have some conviction behind your words, asking easy questions without pressuring is easy to ignore for Caz, throw a vote somewhere, use your only ability as town otherwise you're acting scummy.
I've been taking some time reading through the previous posts, so here goes.I like the part where you ignored my question in my post right before this one.Also, I would not vote to extend unless people were voting to lynch scum. If they were voting to lynch a townie, then there would be no point in extending, because it would give the person more time to defend themself.Oh. Didn't know I could extend. Alright then, I vote to extend.
Andrew425 was about to be lynched. By your own admission, you would only extend if people were trying to lynch scum. Ergo, Andrew425 is your scum partner.As for my opinion on the lynch results, I don't really like them because Dsarker was, apparently, a townie. Only people who like mislynches are scum, and people with grudges against the person who was lynched.On the contrary, lurking is a scummy thing. That is why my vote remains on drakon136.
Reminding us again that you're not scum, is it really necessary?I'm asking you to have some conviction behind your words, asking easy questions without pressuring is easy to ignore for Caz, throw a vote somewhere, use your only ability as town otherwise you're acting scummy.
Then why haven't you voted for me, Andrew425? All you've done is make a token vote for drakon136 and then quickly withdrew it.
The others have done some things that could be seen as scummy and I'm kinda worried that Toaster's experience would make it impossible to decide if he's scum or not, since he seems devoted to catching scum. ShoesandHats first appeared scummy when it seemed he was buddying up to Dsarker, but since Dsarker was revealed as town that's lost its weight. I think Remalle and Shark are town.
drakon136 has always been scummy, avoidant and has failed to scumhunt in any way. His only vote was in retaliation to Dsarker voting him.
Andrew425 - You unvoted drakon136 because he posted that he did defend himself, that he was afraid of being lynched, that he thinks everyone should be afraid of being lynched, and asking you what is scummy about defending your reputation over actually trying to find scum. What?
Who do you suspect the least right now?Probably Shark or Toaster. I'm torn on Toaster, though, since he's obviously experienced enough to not act scummy even if he's mafia, and that makes me a bit nervous.
Remalle: How has your opinion of Caz changed after his recent posts? Would you say he is your #2 pick?My opinion hasn't changed. I'd still point a finger of suspicion at him. Number two pick? Hmm... maybe, but I'm honestly not sure whether that opinion stems from your question. I wasn't really thinking in terms of "this guy's more scummy than this guy, who's scummier than him, who seems like he might or might not be scum...". In other words, I suspect Caz enough that if I wasn't convinced of Andrew's scumhood, I'd be going after Caz instead, but I'm going after Andrew right now so it doesn't really matter to me.
Do you have any suspicions other than the obvious one? Trying to pretend you're interested in scumhunting without committing?
What's your read on Remalle? You've gone back and forth with him a lot, but I can't see an opinion of him in your words.
but I'm going after Andrew right now so it doesn't really matter to me.Worries me. I don't think the town should ever stop scumhunting even if you're sure you've found one.
Andrew425 - You unvoted drakon136 because he posted that he did defend himself, that he was afraid of being lynched, that he thinks everyone should be afraid of being lynched, and asking you what is scummy about defending your reputation over actually trying to find scum. What?
All you've done is make a token vote for drakon136 and then quickly withdrew it.
Honestly I suspect Andrew425 more but don't want to be seen as 'joining the bandwagon'.
There's nothing wrong with voting someone who already has a lot of votes as long as your reasoning is valid (and not stolen wholesale from the arguments of others.) Not doing something because it might look scummy to do is a scum move. Town should not care how they look*.
*As long as you're honest and forthright in your reasoning for voting people, there's no problem casting your vote.
Toaster, you may be an IC and want to help, but all you do is call people out on their arguments. Going to hunt or not?
Andrew425 was about to be lynched. By your own admission, you would only extend if people were trying to lynch scum. Ergo, Andrew425 is your scum partner.
Gah! I'm away for a day and a page's worth of posts as long as pages themselves springs up? I'm just posting this to let you know I'm not idle, I'm currently reading through the small novel that you guys wrote in my absence. I'll be back with an actual post soon.
And finally, where'd Shoes get off to? Has he been prodded?
Toaster, you may be an IC and want to help, but all you do is call people out on their arguments. Going to hunt or not?
I've been taking some time reading through the previous posts, so here goes.Also, I would not vote to extend unless people were voting to lynch scum. If they were voting to lynch a townie, then there would be no point in extending, because it would give the person more time to defend themself.Oh. Didn't know I could extend. Alright then, I vote to extend.
Andrew425 was about to be lynched. By your own admission, you would only extend if people were trying to lynch scum. Ergo, Andrew425 is your scum partner.
I think Remalle and Shark are town.
...and I'm kinda worried that Toaster's experience would make it impossible to decide if he's scum or not, since he seems devoted to catching scum.
Hey, ShoesandHats, get your ass back here and say something.
You should instead put up a good effort even if you don't think you're doing well and finish out the game.
Oh, ok. I have completely no idea how to play this game. o_O Will stick to irc mafia.
Seems like I'm doing less than nothing in the scumhunting department, might as well be drakon lol.
...and I'm kinda worried that Toaster's experience would make it impossible to decide if he's scum or not, since he seems devoted to catching scum.
Are you saying this is suspicious?
Shark Everyone thinks that your are the towniest, why do you think that is?I've been hunting aggressively the whole game.
Everyone: Please restate your case on whomever you are currently voting. If you are not voting anyone, please explain why no one is suspicious enough to merit a vote.My vote is on Andrew. He first attracted my suspicion by trying to make it seem I wasn't voting Caz because we were scumbuddies, which to me seemed like he was trying to force me to vote someone not him. And, of course, he didn't vote for me despite having as much evidence on me as I then had on Caz, like he didn't want to attract attention by being the first to vote. Once he had my attention I read his Day 1 posts, of which there were hardly any, least of all scumhunting. After I called jim out on that, he turned it back around on me instead of answering. After Toaster called him out on that, he proceeded to not answer those same questions, still preferring to deflect them instead. When he finally answered my questions it was again in the form of a redirection, this time pointing the finger at Drakon, who had already addressed the issues Andrew was using as evidence against him. That was the point when I voted him, and since then I've seen no reason to change my mind.
Drakon, you got an extension so you could have time to scumhunt. When are you going to do so? Who do you suspect right now, and why?
Shark, several people so far, including myself, have mentioned you're the most town-seeming player. Who do YOU think is towniest?
Honestly I suspect Andrew425 more but don't want to be seen as 'joining the bandwagon'.
What happens if there's a draw? Automatic extend or no lynch? Coin toss?
Remalle's logic seems kinda scummy as well, a simple comment about how you were softballing a question to another guy and you get all riled up about it. All your other stuff in your post is you trying to bullshit your way through it and how I didn't answer your questions right away when I had already explained my reasoning to shark.I'm sorry you don't like my reasons. In fact, I'll add another one to the list right now, just for you: OMGUSing.
Remalle I've got my eye on you.
What happens if there's a draw? Automatic extend or no lynch? Coin toss?
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons. In fact, I'll add another one to the list right now, just for you: OMGUSing.
Andrew: What's your read on Remalle? You've gone back and forth with him a lot, but I can't see an opinion of him in your words.
What's your read on Remalle? You've gone back and forth with him a lot, but I can't see an opinion of him in your words.
I go from thinking he/she is scummy to thinking they are town. I couldn't really get a read of them on the 1st day but they seem to be doing more scumhunting than most people, nothing has seemed 'off' so far. Honestly I suspect Andrew425 more but don't want to be seen as 'joining the bandwagon'.
Andrew: What do you think Caz meant by answering the question that was directed at you? Do you think was scummy of him?
I just thought sending a FoS my way after I reposted my reasons for voting him would count as an OMGUS. The timing of his fingering me seemed suspicious to me.I'm sorry you don't like my reasons. In fact, I'll add another one to the list right now, just for you: OMGUSing.Personally, I only see an OMGUS as scummy when it is flagrant. Doing with an FoS just seems... meh.
Further, he's been attacking you all day. How is this an OMGUS?
I've covered the answer itself, but I missed the deeper bit- I asked the question to Andrew and Caz answered it!I'm... confused. Do you mean to say that
Why is this relevant? Sometimes scumbuddies get confused and answer questions for their teammates!
Finally you claim that you were tired when you wrote your answer, but my math says it was 11:30 a.m., your time, at the time. Sure, it's nothing more than circumstancial, but I don't know anybody who gets tired at that time, no matter how busy they've been.
Finally you claim that you were tired when you wrote your answer, but my math says it was 11:30 a.m., your time, at the time. Sure, it's nothing more than circumstancial, but I don't know anybody who gets tired at that time, no matter how busy they've been.
Didn't have time to sleep because of some stressful situations, sorry if that's too off the wall for ya.
I've covered the answer itself, but I missed the deeper bit- I asked the question to Andrew and Caz answered it!I'm... confused. Do you mean to say that
Why is this relevant? Sometimes scumbuddies get confused and answer questions for their teammates!SuperScum Friends answer each others questions more often than townies do? Why would that be, is there some sort of scum hivemind?
Why it can be a scumtell: Scumbuddies (especially those with less experience) associate themselves and have each other in their heads. You may see scum acting for each other in this case. Generally, if I see you doing that, I'm going to ask you about it.
Jim may have more info on the tell than I do.
You're scared of what the town thinks of you, so you're avoiding hunting. That is scummy as hell, town's purpose is to find the scum, not freak out and stop.
Wait, if your a scum IC, can you tell people false information? Can there even be a scum IC? Just wondering. Could be useful information fo' scumhunting.
Btw, if Andrew425 was my scumpartner, why would I be trying to lynch him? Do you really think if I was scum there wouldn't be someone on teamchat shouting at me to play properly? That's to everyone, I guess.
Btw, if Andrew425 was my scumpartner, why would I be trying to lynch him?
Do you really think if I was scum there wouldn't be someone on teamchat shouting at me to play properly?
You're scared of what the town thinks of you, so you're avoiding hunting. That is scummy as hell, town's purpose is to find the scum, not freak out and stop.Btw, if Andrew425 was my scumpartner, why would I be trying to lynch him? Do you really think if I was scum there wouldn't be someone on teamchat shouting at me to play properly? That's to everyone, I guess.
Remalle, current thoughts on the tie vote? You haven't posted this whole extend. Content to sit back and watch?I'm pretty sure I have posted, but to be honest, I've been busy playing NHL '12 every waking moment. Sorry about that, I'm Canadian. Whenever I do come back to the thread there's inevitably just one more "Shoes and Drakon are idling, should we modkill them" or "Caz you are scum acting like scum" post. I probably do need to scumhunt more actively, but so far I'm content enough with my two choices (Caz and Andrew).
I'm going to vote for an Extend so everyone can weigh into the conversation
I've been going through the chat extensively and I think Caz is scumQuoteHonestly I suspect Andrew425 more but don't want to be seen as 'joining the bandwagon'.
That to me seems like Caz is trying to act like town which is making him scummy.
Remalle's logic seems kinda scummy as well, a simple comment about how you were softballing a question to another guy and you get all riled up about it. All your other stuff in your post is you trying to bullshit your way through it and how I didn't answer your questions right away when I had already explained my reasoning to shark.
Remalle I've got my eye on you.
Remalle never voted caz, he kept his vote on andrew. Also, andrew voted caz in the quote from andrew below.
I still really suspect Andrew, but for now I'm going to unvote, and vote for Caz.
I think you guys should reconsider lynching me. Just sayin'.
Not Voting(3) - Shoesandhats, Andrew425, drakon136
The only thing that does is scumhunting.
I've been going through the chat extensively and I think Caz is scum
Not Voting(3) - Shoesandhats,Andrew425, drakon136
The hell is wrong with you people.
A massclaim at LYLO is standard procedure generally. If the cop is living, now is a pretty good time to come forward with findings, though a doctor claim (with no successful protections) isn't as priority.
Andrew: your thoughts on Shakerag joining the game? Will you adjust your strategy at all? How do you think the situation should be played?
Remalle: Really weak reasons for switching to Caz D2 before the deadline, even though his Andrew case seemed to be much stronger. I can't help but think that maybe he switched his vote to Caz just in case someone else were to switch thier vote to Andrew... And, yeah, his case on Caz was just really weak. Caz responding to a question aimed at Andrew seemed like a mistake (like Toaster mentioned) and pulling up the tired/time issue was ... weak at best. The whole thing just felt forced, like he was trying to find something, anything to pin on Caz right then and there. And now on D3, I feel like his first post is very much "I'm trying to look as town as possible". Asking Shark if he regrets voting Caz comes across as trying too hard to appear town.Yeah, in retrospect it was an incredibly assheaded move, but for whatever reason I thought both Caz and Andrew were scum, and instead of sticking with Andrew I switched to Caz, who I thought at the time was a surer thing. Stupid. Also, I know my own case was weak (note that in the very same post I brought up the timing thing I also admitted it was circumstantial at best) but others had better cases on him that had me convinced, so I guess what I was doing was providing corroborating evidence.
Off topic, but had the best out of context quote this game, which I am now sigging.Oh great, my first sig on this forum is an accidental innuendo...
A massclaim at LYLO is standard procedure generally. If the cop is living, now is a pretty good time to come forward with findings, though a doctor claim (with no successful protections) isn't as priority.
I/drakon136 am a regular townie, unfortunately.
[Another IC/mod question, while I think of it: If you sub into a game and do have a power role, do you typically get a copy of all PMs that were sent to your predecessor? Logically, I would think so, but I'm curious anyway.]
Andrew: Can I have your reasons for your inspection picks please?
Remalle: Why did you think Toaster being NKd was "a dumb scum play"?
Shark: I had forgotten about the godfather role, but that's a good point. Looking back at Andrew/Toaster interaction D2, I don't see anything that would conflict with his claim. However, I don't see anything that 100% verifies his claim either. So I can't take his claim and inspections as gospel yet.
I have a feeling Think would say "power roles send in stuff" regardless of whether or not there are power roles, so as to not inadvertantly give away information about the game.
I posted that I am town, because I am supporting a LYLO massclaim. What's your role?
If you will direct your gaze toward the lurkertracker (http://think0028.com/lurkertracker.py?replace=0&full=on&sort=alpha&postStart=0&url=http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=94890.0) for this game, you will see that you do indeed have fewer posts than shoes (as of this writing).
I'm neither being flattering nor trying to be your friend, just calling things like I see them.
I'm still voting Remalle because I'm not 100% convinced of Andrew's cop claim yet, nor do I think Think's choice of words guarantees power roles.
You seem to be more jumpy in this last post of yours, Shark. And you're awfully quick to just believe Andrew's claim. Maybe you're scum and getting a little over-eager to myslynch someone and win?
Shoes, Remalle, Shark: Let's hear your roles.
Shoes: I'd like to hear your thoughts on everyone left as well. Give me detail.
Remalle: Why did you think Toaster being NKd was "a dumb scum play"?Because it was a ridiculously obvious play. Since Jim was killed the first night, it was expected that the other IC, Toaster, would go on the second. In fact, if Toaster had survived, I would have immediately suspected him simply for being alive. Since they killed him the mafia lost themselves a potential scapegoat, which is why I consider the choice dumb.
Shoes, Remalle, Shark: Let's hear your roles.I'm so vanilla diabetics need to be careful around me.
Also, it's pretty obvious that i'm basic town. We've had our cop claim. I don't know why a doctor would claim doctor, it makes them a target. I'm pretty sure the doctor dying hurts town too much, it's not worth the claim.Not at this point in the game. Doctor only has at most one more night to operate anyway. The cop needs to stay alive tonight, so the doctor will protect him, the cop investigates either of the two other players, the doctor will die, and the game goes into lylo with the cop having the answer. That gives the town the best possible odds. So the doctor HAS to claim so the cop knows who not to investigate.
Shoes: how much time would you spend, if you were scumhunting, on investigating Shark and Shake, who are still not clear, as opposed to Andrew and I, who are possibly clear? Also how about this situation: Andrew and I are 100% clear, and you know you're town, so you know Shark and Shake are scum. Do you spend your time making sure we know you're innocent, or gathering evidence against the scum?
Andrew: what is your strategy for copping? Is there anything you wish you could have done differently on D2, when everyone suspected you more?
Andrew: Do you think it's possible Remalle is a godfather? Depending on how exactly the roles are determined, there could be a 25% or 50% chance he is one. Since this is LYLO, do you feel you should still be focusing on him?
Andrew
Why the hell would you ever reveal that your a cop? Now the scum are going to nightkill you for sure. Name some reasons why you would do that.
Shoes If their was a doctor do you think it would be a good idea to claim tonight?
Remalle being the godfather would pretty much screw us over as we would have an extremely difficult time to win.Heh, that makes me sound like such a mastermind. If I was the godfather I would be laughing evilly at this point (I'm not laughing, so I must not be).
I'm not seeing any scumhunting. Are you implicating yourself? And Andrew's already addressed the question, but... I mean, use some common sense here, it's lylo, he's bettering the odds for the town (or playing a good scum game, but I doubt that after thinking about it, because he could have just as easily cleared his scumbuddy instead of me if he was fake claiming).Shoes: how much time would you spend, if you were scumhunting, on investigating Shark and Shake, who are still not clear, as opposed to Andrew and I, who are possibly clear? Also how about this situation: Andrew and I are 100% clear, and you know you're town, so you know Shark and Shake are scum. Do you spend your time making sure we know you're innocent, or gathering evidence against the scum?I would spend a little more time on Shark and Shake, but just about the same amount for you and Andrew. Why would I try to prove my innocence? Scumhunting in it and of itself is partly essential to proving your innocence.
Andrew
Why the hell would you ever reveal that your a cop? Now the scum are going to nightkill you for sure. Name some reasons why you would do that.
Everybody What is your opinion of voting randomly? If out of the three of you 2 think its a bad idea and 1 thinks it's a good idea do you think that would that help confirm who scum and who isn't?I think random lynching should be an absolute last resort. We have the entire day to find two mafia, we should use it for exactly that. For the second question, to put it simply, no.
See: my previous post, in which I specify exactly why the doctor claiming is the best possible play at this point in time.Shoes If their was a doctor do you think it would be a good idea to claim tonight?No. As far as I know, there is absolutely no reason at all to ever claim doctor. Why would you?
I'll say this first. On the start of N1, think says (not exact quote) "people with actions, send them in." N2 he says "Power roles and Mafia send in actions." This really seems to suggest power roles to me, I don't know why people would think otherwise.
Shake, i'm not considering Remalle being a godfather because he's hunted well, and purely statistically, there's a 5.55% chance.Okay, but "good" scum would appear to be scumhunting well too. And how did you come to 5.55% chance?
In this time to be "very cautious" you're basically OMGUSing.wat
Your vote boils down to me not being cautious enough. You don't address my reasons for that I have legitimate reasons to vote shoes at all. You're ignoring what I say about him, and you're telling me it seems "nervous." Do you believe I shouldn't be voting shoes? He hasn't done ANYTHING, and all he's done recently is yell at andrew. If andrew is telling the truth, shoes is yelling at the cop for helping the town out. Shoes is just really scummy, no matter if andrew is lying or not.You keep bringing the topic back to your voting Shoes and my opinion of it. I have barely touched on that at all, and yet you keep mentioning it. Yes, I get that you think he's scum, okay. Hell, if this weren't LYLO I would have been voting him already myself. However, now I'm trying to figure out if he really is scum or if he's just really ... um ... unorthodox.
In this mess, you're telling us to BE CAUTIOUS? This is the time to be active, we can't screw up. If we sit around, nothing will get done. You're trying to slow us down. Even if andrew is lying, shoes is still a good choice, and some of your argument against me involves that i'm being too hasty. I don't know what we're waiting for but i'm going to do my best to convince everyone to hang shoes because I think he's far scummier than andrew, remalle, and you.Easy there, cowboy. I'm not saying to be inactive. Clearly I've been trying to stir up activity myself by asking questions and making observations. By saying "be cautious" I mean to take a good re-look at everything said and done so far, and to not just blaze ahead without thinking things through carefully. My gut feeling is telling me to go ahead and lynch Shoes, but we've got until Monday (before extensions) to make absolutely sure we've found who's scum.
You seem to be angry at me for voting shoes when you're telling me to be cautious, yet you're not displaying the same caution you say I should be doing. You voted before me, and your vote didn't really have meat behind it. It was "I feel like" "It seems like" this and that, and LYLO is not the time for things that seem suspicious. It's for things that are suspicious.There's that shoes thing again. And how is my voting of you not exercising caution? Again - day doesn't end until Monday and there's no hammer. Your reaction to being voted isn't really lowering my suspicions of you.
This doesn't really involve if andrew's lying or not anymore. You're going after me, being vague about how i'm "jumpy" and "nervous", and voting me. Good job "examining things in detail" like you're telling me to. Also, you call me "less collective" just because i'm posting more often then I usually do. It's LYLO, i'm going to be as active as possible. (Until skyrim comes out)
I could be wrong but any way I look at it andrew is probably the cop, and knowing who he's investigated and who I am, this means I've found the scum.And, again, from my point of view you and Shoes would have to be scum were Andrew's claim true. You/shoes and me/shoes can't both be the scumteam at the same time. So if Andrew really is telling the truth, and Remalle really isn't a godfather, then one or both of us have to be lying.
Starting with shoes. You want me to not lead a lynch against shoes? Find a reason he shouldn't die for being a burden on the town.While I can't disagree with you, I think I want to spend a little more time that we have available to make sure he isn't really newbtown that somehow survived to LYLO via serendipity.
Andrew: Waaay back here you asked Jim who he would save N1 if he was the doctor. Jim said he'd pick Toaster, since the ICs are always the first to go. Why did you choose to inspect Toaster N1 anyway if you had reason to believe he might be a prime candidate for getting killed, thereby wasting your inspection?
Shark wants to vote out Shoes because he thinks Shakerag and Shoes are mafia.I'm pretty sure out of Shoes, Shark, and Shake, each suspects the other two of being scum.
Shakerag wants to vote out Shark because he thinks Shoes and Shark are mafia.
If both of you think that Shoes must be the mafia why aren't you both voting for him?
It makes me suspect that both of you are the mafia and are trying to confuse the vote.
I saw a reference to statistics earlier. That is not going to help you find scum, so don't even bother with it.
I saw a reference to statistics earlier. That is not going to help you find scum, so don't even bother with it.
Not Voting [3] - Shoesandhats, Remalle, andrew425
Well, this seems as good a time as any to post my opinions.
Do you believe I shouldn't be voting shoes? He hasn't done ANYTHING, and all he's done recently is yell at andrew
lynching lurkers is generally a bad idea
Well, this seems as good a time as any to post my opinions. At this point, I'm sure you guys don't think I have any.Well, we got scummy from the first words. Without a word of explanation he launches into what is, if I recall correctly, his first scum hunting post of the day. His previous two were questioning why anyone would do something as crazy as reveal their role, suggesting he hadn't bothered to read the posts before him, in which the reasons for doing so are laid out. Also, we got this delightful quote: "Why would I try to prove my innocence? Scumhunting in it and of itself is partly essential to proving your innocence.". Well... we can see he's not been defending himself, but I don't see any scumhunting either, so I guess he can be considered doubly suspicious. Also, I know my record of tying timing to scumminess isn't great, but seriously man, you couldn't have picked a worse time to get back into the game then immediately after someone gives you the finger. Moving on...
Shakerag: Besides his other reasons for voting for me, lynching lurkers is generally a bad idea. It just reduces your own numbers and gets the scum to victory quicker.You know, every other thing you say convinces me more that you're not paying attention to this game. Did you forget it's lylo? Lurking just says "I'm too scared of revealing myself when we're this close to winning, so I'll say nothing and hope the vote goes another way". And "reducing our numbers", "getting the scum closer to victory"? Again, LYLO. If you're not going to help the town, you're directly helping the scum, Shoes.
Remalle: When you asked Andrew about his copping-police-po-po strategy, that seemed like you were trying to avoid getting investigated. Otherwise, for the most part, you're still posting RVS questions. You seem to be rather casual about it, too, as if you know for a fact that other people are townies.K, first, have you even read anything at all all game? Andrew investigated me on N2.
Since there are two scum among you three, making a forced mislynch a possibility, I was going to make a bold suggestion: that you three "circle vote" each other (Shake votes Shoes, who votes Shark, who votes Shake, for example), leaving the game deciding votes to the confirmed town, Andrew and myself, and then we would wait to see who slipped up. Since this is a tactic I've never seen used before, I had no idea how well it work, and so I was reluctant to suggestst it.
Andrew: I suppose that for the purposes of today, revealing that he was a cop was a good idea.
...
Remalle:
This second night I investigated Remalle. He is also townie.
Why the hell would you ever reveal that your a cop? Now the scum are going to nightkill you for sure. Name some reasons why you would do that.What is this shit? Do you even understand what LYLO is? For that matter, do you even understand now why that would be a good idea?
Why the hell would you ever reveal that your a cop? Now the scum are going to nightkill you for sure. Name some reasons why you would do that.What is this shit? Do you even understand what LYLO is? For that matter, do you even understand now why that would be a good idea?
First of all, I already noticed that. Do you really need to point it out twice? Also, you'll noticed that I said that it could just be a scum tactic of trying to call out his partner without arousing much suspicion.Then maybe you need to need to detail out your reasoning a little more if you're going to do something that seems logically inconsistent.
You should also know that this is my first time playing mafia. You're more experienced than me.1) Given the title of this game, I think we could all have safely assumed that.
Shakerag's looking a bit shifty. After a ton of warnings of voting shoes, he finally does it in OVERLY LARGE TEXT FOR EMPHASIS(someone cares about their image). You also finally change your vote to shoes, after we already have a majority vote, despite all your warnings.
You're not helping your case at all. I honestly think you're his scumpartner atm.
It's not a bandwagon if you back up your vote with good reasons.
In general, you shouldn't be worried about doing something that may look suspect like you said you were- if your reasoning behind doing something (like voting someone with several votes already) is solid, then it's a perfectly valid action.
So ... Remalle: What are your thoughts on Shark's D3 posting? Does he come across as town as strongly today as D1/D2, or do you think he could be bussing his partner (Shoes) and trying to set me up for D4? Or something else entirely?Sorry I took so long to respond. I've been having connection issues that just got resolved now. (Un)fortunately, I seem not to have missed much.
I put a lot of thought into this, and now is the time to let everyone know I'm the doctor
Remalle, regular townie, has died!
Okay then."Kind of funny how Shoes didn't react to you voting him right away on D3. Actually, he didn't interact with you D3 at all. I guess he didn't need to, since you told him he was getting bussed in scumchat, eh? "
First of all:I put a lot of thought into this, and now is the time to let everyone know I'm the doctorRemalle, regular townie, has died!
I will definately be keeping an eye on you, Remalle, in any future games.
Well, I've given the whole thread another re-read, and certainly given a lot of thought to whether Andrew or Shark is scum. However, Andrew/Shoes just doesn't seem to click. By Andrew's own admission, this is the first time he's made it past the first day. And given the inexperience of both (Andrew/Shoes), I don't realistically see that one or both of them could come up with a fake cop claim and not have some glaring holes in it.
So, Shark, was it satisfying to bus Shoes? It must have been frustrating, having a lackluster partner like that. You know, which is why you were often yelling for him to get back in here, and even going so far as to ask if he'd get replaced.
Kind of funny how Shoes didn't react to you voting him right away on D3. Actually, he didn't interact with you D3 at all. I guess he didn't need to, since you told him he was getting bussed in scumchat, eh?
Don't have much time right now but here is my results.
Shark is town.
So that means Shakerag is scum. Unless Shark is the godfather.
"Kind of funny how Shoes didn't react to you voting him right away on D3. Actually, he didn't interact with you D3 at all. I guess he didn't need to, since you told him he was getting bussed in scumchat, eh? "Alright, but he *was* interacting with Andrew D3, and not with you at all. It's not like the ICs have mentioned that newscum are less likely to interact with thier partner or anything. And like I mentioned earlier, I didn't necessarily need Andrew's result to finger you as scum. Looking at the situation, it didn't seem plausable for Andrew/Shoes to be the scumteam.
Bullshit argument, and you know it. He hardly responded to anything throughout day 2 and 3, including pretty much everyone who was voting him D3. Also, you haven't even waited for andrew's cop result. Scared of what it contains? You know he must have investigated one of us.
Also, I bet you're saying that you believe andrew just because you know that you have to get him to agree with you to lynch me. You were so suspicious, now you're not because you're telling andrew how smart he is. "I don't realistically see that one or both of them could come up with a fake cop claim and not have some glaring holes in it." If you really believe andrew, you'd ask him what his investigation revealed. You don't care if he's a cop or not, you just want him to like you.I believe Andrew because, given the circumstantial evidence, it would be impractical for me to do otherwise. And I don't see how you came to the conclusion that I'm trying to suck up to Andrew or how I think he's so smart. I clearly stated that I believed Andrew to be too inexperienced to be able to pull off a fake cop claim (no offence, Andrew). You're twisting my words around, not addressing what I'm actually saying, and that is only making you look scummier and scummier.
So, Shakerag, was it annoying trying to save shoes? You VOTED me when I went after shoes. Your reasoning was that I was being too hasty. You were trying to get me to slow down and keep shoes alive, get me lynched instead. Also, you were the LAST to vote shoes, and we already had a majority vote on him, so to make yourself look more town, you do BIG BOLD RED TEXT. Don't try to deny that the BIG BOLD TEXT was only for your image, enlarging text doesn't do jack gamewise.I was trying to save Shoes? News to me. I voted you D3 because:
"You know, which is why you were often yelling for him to get back in here, and even going so far as to ask if he'd get replaced." Funny. Realize I was doing this because I was on the edge of voting him? All of D2? I had no material though, to lead a train on him, so I waited until D3. My target got lynched in the end.Okay, I can go back to D2 and analyze this in more detail if you really want, but I think it's safe to say that if you wanted to bus Shoes D2, there would have been more than enough rope to hang him with even then. But instead, now it looks like you were softballing because you didn't vote (or even FoS) him.
Andrew, investigation, now. I have a feeling shakerag kept you alive because, as we've seen earlier, he's told us how you're a "terrible player etc". You're alive because he thinks he can control you to get me dead. Don't be an idiot.Appeal to Emotion. Don't do that. Unless you like looking like scum, of course.
Okay, fucked that up, remalle claimed doctor to make himself a target for the scum. It worked, and our cop is still alive, but shakerag's dumb enough to believe that? Remember remalle's long arguments on how the doctor should claim earlier in the day? Kinda obvious that he claimed just to ensure andrew gets his investigation. Still, I missed that post, so what I was telling andrew doesn't mean much anymore.I'm dumb enough to believe what exactly? That Remalle was the doctor? I don't follow your logic, and this paragraph is kind of hard to read. Could you rephrase?
Meh, either way, shakerag, you've lost unless you're a roleblocker. However, considering how little of a shit you seem to give about andrew, I believe it. I'm betting that you went to vote me so quickly because you know that andrew isn't a threat to you, if this situation is correct.You sound awfully sure here, Shark. How exactly are you certain that "I've lost" when, as of your post, Andrew hadn't posted his investigation yet?
Don't have much time right now but here is my results.Well, I'm vanilla town like I claimed D3. Of course, that statement alone is worth little.
Shark is town.
So that means Shakerag is scum. Unless Shark is the godfather.
I'm a lazy jackass who doesn't answer questions shakerag asks me
Yeah, remember when you kept telling me that andrew might be lying? You were scared of a cop.
Shakerag here's a quick question for you. If you were the scum and had the roleblock power what would have been your move last night?
One, D3 was LYLO, I didn't want to die for obvious reasons.Understandable, because you had a majority of votes on you. Oh, wait, you didn't. To get that defensive, that early in the day, with only one vote on you ...
Two, you're the scum, and a lot of my posts in D3, including those defensive ones, I attacked you. You weren't going for a pressure vote, you legit wanted to start throwing suspicion on me because you figured out that you couldn't get andrew or remalle lynched if you tried. This is why I defended myself, you've known since Andrew's claim that you need to get me lynched because, with andrew's claim, i'm the easiest town to lynch, being one of the 3 unconfirmed on D3. You've been planning to lynch me since D3 because you knew during night you'd kill andrew or remalle.
Yeah, remember when you kept telling me that andrew might be lying? You were scared of a cop. That's why you got lucky that I got investigated, not you, because you can spew godfather bullshit. I was ready to believe that andrew's cop because, I don't know, LYLO?As I detailed D3, LYLO is a time to be very cautious and consider every possiblity before comitting. Between Andrew and his partner, they could have easily come up with a fake cop claim, and that needed to be taken into consideration. But outside of a token acknowledgement, you were absolutely ready and willing to accept his claim. Why? Because if you got inspected, you knew you'd show up as town, and that would make trying to mislynch me all the more easier. And you've since been trying to twist my words of caution around to make it look like Shoes was my partner and I was defending him.
Maybe because you're scum you knew who was who, but I didn't besides myself. Andrew's investigations gave me a solid reason to finally go after shoes,This has been gone over before. Shoes' D1/D2 play had plenty of reasons to go after him for.
because he had to be scum if andrew was telling the truth, and he ended up being scum.This is blatantly false. If Andrew's claim was true, then on D3 (to Andrew and Remalle at least) you and I could have been scum as well.
You were trying to discredit andrew, just in case a doctor claimed or saved him, because you knew D4 would be really shaky for you, and impossible if you got investigated.Unless I were a roleblocker/godfather, but then if I was scum the D4 setup would be different anyway, and we're really just pushing into WIFOM territory here.
You're just BSing stuff at this point, only reason it's not game over for you is because andrew investigated me and that gives you a lie to tell andrew. (But wait, don't kill me, there's a small chance shark is godfather! I'm totally innocent!)And now you're just coming across as smug and cocky. You're the godfather. You got inspected and came up as town. The feeling that you pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and are assured victory is so strong it's palpable. And that's making you overconfident that you can just sit back and wait for me to get lynched, and not have to bother with what I'm saying anymore.
I'm a lazy jackass who doesn't answer questions shakerag asks me, but tbh, some of them are kind of dumb. "If I was a roleblocker, how would Andrew not be a threat to me?" Dude, roleblockers have the unique ability of, I don't know, roleblocking? If you were a roleblocker, but you're not because andrew investigated successfully, you would have roleblocked or killed andrew. I'm 90% sure you can both roleblock and kill in one night.
Getting bored of the post/mafia game, gonna go play skyrim or something.
Laziness is not something you can afford to do at lylo.
Work work work work work work work.
Quote from: SharkMeh, either way, shakerag, you've lost unless you're a roleblocker. However, considering how little of a shit you seem to give about andrew, I believe it. I'm betting that you went to vote me so quickly because you know that andrew isn't a threat to you, if this situation is correct.You sound awfully sure here, Shark. How exactly are you certain that "I've lost" when, as of your post, Andrew hadn't posted his investigation yet?
Again, I'm not following your logic here. If I was a roleblocker, how would Andrew not be a threat to me? I'd appreciate a further explanation of this paragraph as well.
'roleblocker'Huh.
KILL Remalle
ROLEBLOCK Andrew
LNCP, i'm going to try and get shakerag lynched, some of his later d3 stuff seemed really sloppy to me.
Don't have much time right now but here is my results.Soooo, yeah. What the hell was up with that?
Shark is town.
So that means Shakerag is scum. Unless Shark is the godfather.
I spent most of days 3 and 4 fighting the urge to vote Shark even though I wasn't actually in the game.Anything you spotted that I didn't pick up on?
Sorry for being a terrible(IE non-existent) co-mod this game. There was shit going down and I wasn't really up to it.Yeah, I kind of wondered where the hell you went off to. Especially since there was no notice.
If you have any questions about your play I'll answer them.
Andrew425, why did you claim Shark was town when you were roleblocked?
I suppose just a general critique? Strong/weak points? Where to focus on improvement? Things I should have picked up on but didn't?
I thought that it would give me the best chance. I was fairly sure that both Shark and Shakerag were only going to vote each other so I told a story that one would see right through and the other wouldn't. Shark looked like he was playing along with it a bit too much so that's why I voted for him. I don't know if it was the right move but it gave me more to play off of.
Great game, but I ran out of steam around D3. I just started messing up badly, and my D4 was pretty horrible.The thing that caught my suspicion about you was the "pretty obvious I'm town" bit which just reeked of the type of smugness that has no place at 5-2 LyLo. Still, you put up a pretty good fight. Congrats on staying alive until the last possible day.
Fakeclaiming doctor can work (Org pulled it off beautifully as a Paranoid War Vet in an early Paranormal- the dopps took the bait and offed him, costing them a team member) but in a limited role setup like this one it's very dangerous.Bah. I get no credit for that. Org knows the truth.
Claiming a fake result with a real role like that is usually bad. SaintDraze tried fakeclaiming cop when he wasn't in BMXXI, and it backfired on him badly. (It didn't help that the scum team knew he was lying, due to the nature of his claim.)It's best to fakeclaim if:
The next beginner game shouldn't be too long in starting. I think we have a good crop of potential here.I still call BM XXX.