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Quote from: Mungrul on January 31, 2023, 11:16:50 am

Also, note to self:
Stop buying the bins that cloth and leather come in, just buy the cloth and leather.

Unfortunately that means clicking on each individual cloth and leather.

It's easier to buy the bins, dump al cloth and leather, and atom-smash the bins.

Even easier still to buy the bins, use however much cloth and leather you use, let the empty bins go into use in stockpiles that aren't yet at their bin limit, and then sell any remaining empty bins back to the next caravan.

The trick here is to *actually set a bin limit* to some reasonable number when you make a new stockpile. They save a lot of labor when used judiciously, since one dwarf will haul dozens of socks or what have you as part of a "store in bin" job, but each item is hauled separately for "store in stockpile".

Easy farming has already been nerfed due to the changes to soil richness, in order to get good crop yields you have to farm on cavern mud. Pond irrigation and pump irrigation are no longer the optimal strategy, so there's really no reason for farming on muddied stone to be difficult.

Oh, to be sure, on most embarks the combination of light aquifers and the cavern mud mechanic still makes underground farming extremely easy. Dig out a 20x20 room in one and wait a month and you've got muddy cavern ready for farm plots. Smooth the walls to stop the seepage once it's done, although it's hardly even necessary - the seepage is so slow that in a large room it barely keeps up with evaporation.

In fact, on my current map I got my underground farming set up essentially for free, because I decided to mine out a bunch of iron veins in damp conglomerate and realized that the water was coming too slow to even think about hydro engineering to deal with it.

Adamantine is automatically chosen by metal moods if available on purpose, it's not a bug.

Useful information! And I can kind of see the logic there. If you're going to make a once-in-a-lifetime valuable artifact, and you're lucky enough to live somewhere where the magic unobtanium is obtainable, might as well make it mega super duper valuable. But question - what actually counts as available? If all wafers are forbidden at the time the mood strikes, would that preempt demanding candy when they get to the workshop? Or would there need to actually be none present on site?

Yes. You can easily solve this problem by having less stuff.

Step one, stop making more stuff. Try to figure out how much stuff your fort actually consumes, and make that much. Or just shut down production for a while, since you probably have a giant surplus of everything.

Step two, get rid of extra stuff. Caravans and atom smashers are helpful in this regard.

Longer term, setting up a more sophisticated network of stockpiles will both make things more efficient, and also give you a quick visual way to see what you have too much/too little of. Also look into learning about work order conditions. You can tell the manager that stuff should only be made when you have less than a certain amount.

You can also go into "custom" settings to see what these things actually change. It's mostly stuff like invasion thresholds, or required room values for guilds/temples.

Right, so in terms of the original question, not really anything that affects the larger world, except insofar as your neighbors become aware of your presence earlier or later than they otherwise would.

Assuming that crafted goods are worth less in "Hard" economics difficulty, will those object's values persist in future playthroughs?
For example, in Adventure mode, if I grab an axe made in a fort whose economics difficulty was set to "Normal", then grab an identical axe made in a fort whose economics difficulty was "Hard", will these two axes have the same value?

So no. The axe won't have a different value. You might have a temple that's less valuable than what would be considered a temple at another site, but since you can't exactly pick one up and carry it away, that's not really relevant to an adventurer.

Despite being wildly inefficient compared to a player fort, I've always thought the worldgen forts were pretty neat. So I set out to reclaim one, and as it turns out the new features in v50 make them significantly more treacherous than before. The issue is those ubiquitous obsidian clusters of fun.

Recall that the worldgen dwarves use a standard scheme for their fortresses, centered around a hollow ramp spiral that runs vertically from the surface all the way down to the magma. Unless the fort connects to a subterranean highway, they often even had the sense to wall up the holes where the ramp shaft crosses the caverns. Unless the megabeast that ruined the place is still in residence, reclaiming one used to be generally pretty safe. However, as it turns out, the dwarves who built today's site delved the shaft straight through a substantial number of obsidian surprise packages. Unpausing gave me several "what devilry..." and "something evil emerges..." messages, not to mention both water and magma falling down the shaft.

That turned out to be easy to manage though, as the sudden guests went chasing after former inhabitants first , since some of them had spawned in the depths. A few forbidden doors and hasty walls later, they were contained in various corners of the old living quarters. No, the real annoyance is that, as it turns out, the surprises don't trigger when mined, but when *revealed*. Tonight's reclaim effort finally crumbled when a dwarf trying to bury someone's mangled skeleton got deep enough to trigger another six or seven at once, including a couple of clear glass monstrosities.

Looks like next time I take one of these on, I'm going to be meticulously building airlocks every few z-levels. Fun!

Quote from: Thisfox on January 20, 2023, 01:35:17 am

As an added bonus, when they pass over the floor gratings through the waterfall, they get washed.

Wait, WUT?!
This is potentially revolutionary for me!
So instead of statues in each square the water lands in, I can have floor grates? And the water doesn't drop through them, stopping the mist generator?

Think you misunderstood. The four-statue design is for making a highly compact generator with minimal FPS impact, and it only involves two z-levels. Thisfox is talking about a waterfall design, where the water is allowed to fall *through* the level where the folks walk. A floor grate allows fluids to pass through but provides a walkable floor, so the water (along with any washed-off gunk) ends up in a basin on the level below (or farther down if you like). But because the water crosses multiple z-levels, you do have to operate a multi-level pump stack to complete the circuit.

Also worth noting *why* the statues setup preserves FPS. One element is that each pump picks up the stack of water the same tick it's dropped, so the water never has a chance to flow. Perhaps more importantly, because the water is dropped on an impassible tile, it never interrupts anybody's path, forcing an expensive repathing calculation. The floor grates method can be made no-flow, although it's trickier, but the water falling through the corridor will interrupt pathing from time to time unless you very carefully control the size of the water stacks. So in most cases, such a setup will be less FPS-friendly.

At least two layers above the aquifer, so that the miner falls down. 1 won't be as fast since they're going to dig from the side, thus taking time to descend by walking.

I also made them priority 2 and centre priority 1, but that shouldn't affect things.

Careful though. Digging from one layer above should be definitely safe, but I did manage to drown one peasant "miner" while testing the from-two-above concept. He had "clumsy" in his description, which maybe meant he failed whatever check to climb up the hole.

Naturally my test aquifer is in a terrifying biome, so now I have a wet walled up zombie. Not getting that pick back anytime soon!