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1st Granite, 131

Incredible how time seems to move quicker when you're older - I was enjoying my retirement, and it seemed like I only looked away for a moment to chart out the transits of the Keshanic moons, and then I look up and two years have passed! And... twenty five people have died? And the cloth stockpile, which I had just gotten tidy after six years of on and off work, has been changed to *not allow cloth*!

Well, that simply cannot stand. That nagging inconsistency in the transit timings will just have to wait, there's business to take care of. It's time for a revolution!

2nd Granite, 131
My glorious revolution proved surprisingly anticlimactic, the previous overseer was raging drunk when I stormed up in a fit, and just handed over the keys to the office without a fight.

Now, to take stock of the situation.


The manager orders look reasonable... *too* reasonable. I think I created some of these orders. Did they seriously not get done after two whole years? What, did all the clothesmakers die? No, Marineking is still around, among others. Though Marineking is now our best clothesmaker at merely talented, I thought we had better. Well, anyway, I'll figure it out later.


Thankfully, since there was no place to put the cloth already in the stockpiles after the policy was changed, it was largely left in place, which I could use to tell which stockpiles previously allowed cloth. The situation has now been rectified.

Oh, and apparently we're under siege? Could've fooled me, the dwarves haven't been (o->i) ordered to stay indoors, nor have the military been (m->select squad->v->t to set to on duty, then on main map x->s->enter to station, don't forget to set squad back to standing down afterwards) sent to take care of them. *Are* there even any invaders?


Oh, so there are. Where?


Oh hey, speaking of the cloth stockpile. I'd thought those were goblins in cages, but apparently not. Well, shit. GUARDS, GUARDS!


No, wait, belay that, I was right the first time, they are in cages. Are we still considered under siege even if all invaders have been captured? Or are there uncaptured goblins somewhere.

3rd granite, 131
Well, if there are, nobody's complaining about them. Moving on, I suppose.


There's some major construction apparently going on in the northwest, by the giant obsidian dwarf statue. Not sure what it's for, but I don't see a need to cancel it just yet. There are no idlers, is everyone working on this?


Not even fully cleared of rocks yet, the new wing of the catacombs is already full. Ah well, queue up some more tombs.
Oh, wait, they're not fully cleared of rocks because the dump designation on those rocks was removed. Wait, were these marked for dumping? Rocks are useful, maybe it's just that we ran out of rock stockpile space. (Oh, the hidden designation was removed)


Queued up another 72 tombs. We're seriously starting to run out of space, and may need to select another place to start building these, or switch to a more space efficient design. Wait, no, nevermind, there's plenty more space to the south.

8th Granite, 131

Took a quick opinion poll of the fortress, seems people are generally hanging in there. Kingler just filled the sheet with obscenities about my having a nice office, again. I already gave up my excellent bedroom, why can't you just calm down! I need that office for my astronomy notes!

12th Granite, 131
Ah, I see, that huge mess of floors is covering up a hole in the ground. Fair enough, carry on.
Also, I am by now quite sure that we're allegedly under siege by the goblins in cages. See, this is why weapon traps are superior to cage traps!

19th Granite, 131
For no reason I can discern, we are no longer considered under siege. Hooray, I suppose. Also, I reassigned MarineKing as manager since Dadamh wasn't getting around to validating my orders. And told MarineKing to stop farming, too.

19th Slate, 131
The fort is fully occupied, with generally no dwarfpower free, so I've been relaxing with a nice ale most nights.
I did order another few runs of bins, though. Can never have too many bins.

7th Felsite, 131

PTTG ran off and locked themselves in a Mason's workshop.

24th Feliste, 131

Went and checked in on PTTG, and drat - I remember getting messages about our artisans cancelling orders for shell decorations for lack of material, they must have run through our stock. I'm not even sure if we have any active fishing. Seems not - ordered a few folks to stop hauling and take up fishing.

4th Hematite, 131

One of the cats wandered into a trap today - horrible business, I thought they were too lightfooted for that.

9th Hematite, 131

The elves are here. Have we been cutting down trees? Yeah, probably. Did we agree not to? Yeah, probably.

10th Hematite, 131
And barely a moment later, the humans arrive as well. Hopefully they get along.

14th Hematite, 131
It never rains but it pours - the goblins are here as well.
Anyway, the champions handled it with zero injuries military or civilian. The only hard part was figuring out where to send them - having a bunch of captured goblins makes the question "Where are the goblins?" far more ambiguous, as it turns out. Everyone get back to hauling.
For some reason everyone's hauling the trade goods one by one rather than by the binful. Are we just out of bins? Also, the broker had been assigned... every labor, so there wasn't a chance in hell that they'd ever get around to trading. I took them off the rosters and told them to hop to it.

24th Hematite, 131

Damn it! Nobody could get a shell in time? Another distinguished fortmember lost to madness for want of a shell, in a tale as old as time.

4th Malachite, 131
Wasn't able to move many trade goods due to it not being done binwise, went ahead and traded anyway. A bunch of junk in exchange for all their meat and a bunch of miscellaneous iron goods, for melting. Now go away.

18th Galena, 131

The new tombs finished being dug out, and I've ordered them smoothed. Also, a new person got a mood - hopefully this one goes better.

Damn it. Put a few more people on fishing duty.

26th Galena, 131

Got it! Now, nobody use shells for *anything* except moods - these are precious! And keep fishing for a bit, so we can build up more of a stock.

Hmm... Atir is still just muttering. Bars of metal, rough color, cloth/thread, a shell, leather/skin... we've got all that. What's the issue? Okay, it looks like they might just need even more shells. Two already collected, maybe... six or seven, total? Keep fishing!

12th Limestone, 131
Dwarven caravan is here! Also here: a bunch of snatchers, that immediately got caught in cage traps. Alright, maybe these cage traps do serve a purpose.

22nd Limestone, 131
Goblin ambush. Champions handled it. Still no more shells.
Traded a bunch of crafts and junk to the dwarven caravan for all their food, booze, and as much of their steel gear as we could afford - they really brought a remarkably large quantity of it, did the previous overseer request that? Good taste, if so. I made sure to trade them the contents of the bins, but not the bins themselves - we're still low on bins.

24th Sandstone, 131

Only three shells needed, as it turned out, and the fisherdwarves have delivered! But I'm not taking anyone off fishing until we have at least ten in reserve.

27th Sandstone, 131

Quite a nice helm, though hardly earthshaking. Mostly I'm just glad to have avoided another failed mood.

1st Moonstone, 131
A snatcher appeared and injured a child before anyone could respond. Damn them! Little Dakost will likely recover fully, at least - it's only a leg wound. ... If anyone brings them inside. Hello? Anyone?

15th Moonstone, 131

After four or so snatchers in quick succession were captured by the cage traps, an actual ambush appeared - two squads. Thankfully, the one civilian in the area was far enough away to avoid being shot, and the goblins were kind enough to remain in place long enough for the champions to arrive.

Naturally, they promptly stopped being a problem.

19th Obsidian, 131
I'd been confused as to why goblins were occasionally appearing in the middle of the fort - turns out that cages, containing goblins, were ordered to be melted. I have removed all melt orders for all cages.

1st Granite, 132

Well, as per the Hallowed Unwritten Bylaws of the fortress, my time is up and I must step back from management. Excellent, I can get back to my celestial observations.

(end-of-turn note: this fort is currently operating on a first-come-first-serve basis. If you want to play a turn, announce as such and you then have 28 days to play and post a save before dibs expires.)

Save: https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=16794
Dwarf therapist: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14657
DF version: https://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_28_181_40d.zip

Very sorry for the delay - work suddenly started kicking my ass, and I've had to rush through this kind of at the last minute.

This is an announcement of my intention to play a turn.

5th Hematite, 128
The state of the clothing in this fortress is deplorable. Most are wearing tattered rags, if even that. I've ordered a batch of all sorts of clothing, which should hopefully both help with that issue and clear up some stockpile space from our huge stocks of silk cloth.

10th Hematite, 128
The Human caravan arrived. Trading them various goblin products and goblin accessories. I'd say it's the all-goblin economy, but we do also have rock crafts. Speaking of which, I noticed this in our trade goods pile.


Dwarf bone? It's worth just over a thousand urists, but I'm keeping it anyway.


Overall, a huge trade deal. Mostly for the sake of getting rid of this junk, I traded for everything they had that was made of metal (for melting), everything they had that came in a barrel, all of their food and all of their booze.

19th Hematite, 128

Years of effort changing stockpile settings, manufacturing bins, and trading things away are actually having an impact! There's spare space in the miscellaneous stockpile! The bulk of the unbinned remainder is cloth, and I'm working on using that for clothing. Hmm, actually, those orders have been approved for a bit and haven't progressed. Do we actually have any clothesmakers?

26th Hematite, 128

For all practical purposes, we do not. I've assigned a few random dwarves the labor. Now, where are the relevant workshops...


Here it is. And it's workshop, singular. I'll slap down another few of those to speed things up.

1st Limestone, 128

I decided to mine out the last of the adamantine. I was almost certain the demons had already been cleared out, but I had the military standing by just in case. But I was right and it was fine. The previous overseer set up adamantine refining and I saw no reason to stop it, so it's just been running in the background. I haven't gotten around to training up armor or weapon smiths, so I have no current need for it. Use it responsibly if you use it at all.

10th Limestone, 128
The dwarven caravan from Kodthikut has arrived! Hopefully they have steel, and like goblin bone.


Also, the iron road's repairs have been completed. And it was immediately vomited on, naturally.

16th Limestone, 128

They did indeed have steel, and like goblin bone. In exchange for an absolutely titanic quantity of rock crafts, bone crafts, tattered clothing, and goblin paraphenalia we have receieved several cartloads of steel equipment, all of their food, all of their booze, all of their clothing, and mild wrist strain from filling out the trade paperwork. If the ledgers are to be believed this single trade comes close to matching the sum total exports of the fortress to date.

17th Limestone, 128
A vile force of darkness has arrived! A squad from the south, two squads from the west, and a squad from the east! I've ordered all dwarves inside and scrambled the champions.


This lever is unlabeled, hopefully it raises that drawbridge.


The champions arrived before it could become an issue.

23rd Limestone, 128
Seige broken. Immediate casualties one planter and one marksdwarf, several injured. One marksgoblin was allowed to keep firing for quite some time, accounting for the military death and several serious injuries, which could still result in more losses.


Speaking of which.


18th Sandstone, 128

While following the adamantine vein, we encountered platinum. Nice enough, but rather overshadowed by the adamantine itself.

I just like to point out that the Eternall Halls is listed under finished/abandoned, but it appears to have risen from death, and is being played actively.   
It is certainly living up to it's 2008 promise that the game would never end.   

Do you want to take a turn? It's open at the moment 

1st Hematite, 125
Dorfed (I also took requests off-site)










9th Hematite, 125

Ah, whoops - I didn't know this when I installed those levers, but deactivating a gear assembly which is supporting a waterwheel or axle causes that waterwheel or axle to collapse. So we're now missing two waterwheels and the axle that connects the waterwheels to... some screw pumps that go from the river to a statue garden. Is this for mist? Cleaning? I'll see if I can reinstall the waterwheels and axle and change which gear assemblies the levers turn off.

11th Hematite, 125
Human caravan, time to trade off more narrow clothing.

16th Hematite, 125

Three squads of goblins.
(Okay, how does the military work... m to go to the military screen, v to view each squad, t to set the squad to on duty. After setting squads to on duty, go back to world view, x for squads, plus and minus to scroll through squads and s to station. And then when the siege is over go back with m->v->t to set them back to standing down)

Most dwarves were busy hauling goods to the depot, so there's not a lot outside. I told everyone to get indoors (o->i) as fast as they can.

I think Monom was the only one still outside, they came in through a side entrance I'd forgotten existed and have now forbidden.


I want to get this over with quickly so I don't run out of time on the caravan, so I'm sending out squads proactively rather than waiting for the goblins to come to us.

20th Hematite, 125
Siege is broken with zero casualties. Everyone get back to hauling.

21st Hematite, 125
Traded the caravan some trash for all their food, all their barrels (with or without contents), all their metal bars, and a bunch of iron bolts just because they were expensive, and sent them off with a 150% profit margin.

18th Malachite, 125

Reconstructed this axle, but the gear assembly that connects it to the screw pumps is disengaged, and I don't know where that lever is. I've also disassembled the two levers that caused waterwheels to collapse, and am rebuilding the waterwheels.

28th Malachite, 125

Repairs completed.

8th Limestone, 125

Turned out that glassmaking was stalled for lack of dwarves assigned to potash making. Marineking's new desk is done.

15th Limestone, 125
Dwarven caravan is here. Six wagons. Traded for a bunch of steel gear. We've almost run through the unbinned nonmetal narrow clothing at this point (by a combination of trading and making more bins) but there's plenty more in the finished goods bins.

24th Sandstone, 125
Two dwarves died. I don't know who, when, or how - but the census shows that we dropped from 147 to 145. Possibly relatedly, no migrants came this season.

On checking the census more carefully, it appears that Mond, the carpenter, was one of the ones who died for unknown reasons. I am now feeling rather paranoid.

15th Moonstone, 125

Small goblin ambush.

Seriously? A champion fell to that? Pathetic.

19th Opal, 125

We're running very low on free coffins - I've ordered an additional 40 tombs carved out, and ordered 11 coffins which combined with the ones already in stock should suffice to fill them

1st Granite, 126



save: https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15822

relevant dwarf therapist version: https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14657

Oh, and the relevant DF version is DF 0.28.181.40d which can be found here https://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/older_versions.html

Next turn: This is first-come-first-serve - if you announce dibs on the next turn, let's say... 28 days until dibs expires if you haven't played a turn and posted a save?
I'll be PMing people off of this list https://docs.google.com/document/d/19XtJWBjIVdXX0Df3KOvlLLVtqMpvcmNpGoNWfoZ8ZEQ/edit?usp=sharing at a rate of one per day until someone calls dibs or I run out of names - you do not need to have been PMed to take a turn, nor do you need to be on this list.

14th Limestone, 124

...how do I un-station the military? They're just kinda hanging out, and "delete patrol route" doesn't have any effect.

20th Limestone, 124

I traded the dwarven caravan several cartloads of goblin clothing for much of their stock. Food and booze, of course, but also some nice steel armor and weapons since I noticed that much of our military is in lesser materials, and some of the cheaper steel crafts for melting.

22nd Sandstone, 124

it's been many months since I placed the orders for furniture, but Solon (despite having all labors turned off and spending most of their time with no job) is still refusing to verify them. I'm probably not going to be able to finish my quarters this turn, unfortunately. They're dug and engraved, at least.

On closer inspection, while Solon shows as having no job in dwarf therapist, they're actually on "attend meeting" and I think they've been on attend meeting this whole time. Who are they trying to meet with?

24th Sandstone, 124

Solon has changed from "unhappy" to "very unhappy." Looking at their thoughts, they were recently forced to endure the decay of a sibling. Dangit, why didn't Urist get buried? We've got available graves, has everyone just been too busy hauling?

I've temporarily assigned Marineking as manager, as well as their existing role of bookkeeper. I'll put Solon back in that position later, but I really want these work orders taken care of and Solon just isn't doing it.

14th Moonstone, 124

The job orders got confirmed and completed, and I've ordered the furniture installed (aside from the bed, which we appear to be out of, so I've ordered some of those made as well)

15th Moonstone, 124



Another one? I thought there was only one of these per year.

once again, a single dwarf is really threatened



They're not nearly so close as last time, hopefully we can avoid any deaths this time around, I've sent out the military.

Ah, but a second squad arrived far closer to the entrance



I've directed one squad towards the closer group, and two towards the further one, to try and save Dastot.
I've also ordered all non-soldiers to stay indoors.

Oh, there's a third squad I entirely missed



Well, we've got three active squads of military and three groups of invaders, so... one apiece, I suppose.



I don't know where they were.



A lone goblin pursues a child and a fisherdwarf. Where are the champions??

...Oh, I had them all standing down since I couldn't figure out how the cancel the station orders from last time. Oops.



A different lone goblin chases a different set of two dwarves down into the lava area, where the previous group are fleeing in circles on top of the tomb.

The champions are on their way, led by sir willy



and, eventually, the rest of them.






Oh dear, that's not a good direction to be running in.



Never mind, the goblins on the edge stayed put long enough for the champions to arrive and rescue them. Also, the dwarves in the statue area escaped into the tunnels. Their pursuer decided to come back upstairs and was promply slain by Sir Willy.

Logem leads the charge



and all the goblins died instantly. I've sent one squad to clean up some stragglers while keeping the other two close at hand in case rapid response is needed.

One recruit is lost in the mop-up



23rd Moonstone, 124

The siege is broken. We lost a child and a recruit. Unfortunate, but it could have been much worse. I've also enabled the burial labor on everyone it can be enabled on, can we please not have any dwarves decay unburied this time?

We've got coffins, really.



1st Opal, 124

The philosopher's quarters are now furnished and assigned



As such, Solon has been re-assigned as manager.

8th Opal, 124




Conveniently, it left immediately upon being discovered, and the cat was unharmed.

22nd Opal, 124

Since the break didn't seem to help Solon any, and MarineKing has already proven themseleves a competent manager, I've decided to assign MarineKing to the position of manager on a more permanent basis.

24th Opal, 124



The boneyard's full again, so I've assigned work orders for more skull totems and bone decorations. Also, more wooden bins.

1st Granite, 125




And that's yer lot!

Notes to next overseer:
The most important thing to do at the moment seems to be reducing clutter.

Bins. We need hundreds of them, there's a huge amount of stockpile space being wasted due to not having enough bins (especially in the cloth stockpile). I've increased bin limits on all the stockpiles that can use them that I noticed, but I probably missed some.

We've got tons of goblin junk, crafts, ludicrous amounts of cloth, and assorted other clutter. You could just atom-smash it, but I'm generally not a fan of that, I prefer to use it for something or trade for higher-value items. Accordingly, I'd suggest continuing to melt metal goblin junk and trade the non-metal stuff, and doing something with the cloth. I don't think even most of our dorfs have non-tattered clothing atm, so that's something to do. Anything made of steel would be good to buy, see if you can get our military fully-equipped in it.

Also, due to melting the goblinite, we've got a bunch of iron, and we seem to have no flux so we can't turn it into steel. I dunno what to do with it, build a tower out of it or somesuch? I just used it for furniture, but we've got 659 iron bars at this time (and still melting) so that's not going to be enough to use it all.


Notes on next overseer:

I'd say that this is pretty much first-come-first-serve, if you want to play a turn and nobody else has called dibs (or if it's been a long time since they did so) then go for it. That said, iirc Tack and Imic expressed interest and haven't played yet, it could also be worth a try PMing people on the old turn list and seeing if any of them are up for it. I'm about to be AFK for a while so I'm not going to be doing any of that soon.

Save:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14656

Dwarf therapist version:
The place I got it from previously seems to have gone down, so here it is
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14657

1st granite, 124


A whole bunch of fiddling around with graphics settings to get it to work properly with the resolution on my laptop screen. Also, alt-tabbing away from the window makes it permanently unresponsive to keyboard input, but clicking away from it seems to be fine. I'm probably going to lose progress due to that at some point, I alt-tab a lot.

Also, since I'm away from my desktop for the holidays, I'm playing on my laptop. My laptop was manufactured in 2010, so I'm getting a butter-smooth 5 to 7 fps. This may take a while.

The fortress can run for a long time off of inertia, but what fun is that? What I need is a goal.
Unfortunately, I have no idea what the fortress needs, if anything, or how to tell.

I'll just look around a bit and see if anything jumps out.

Update: several real-life minutes have passed. It is still 1st granite. This may be a problem. How many frames are in a year?

403200 ticks per year (assuming it hasn't changed since this version). Assuming a consistent 8 fps (it's sped up a bit as I left it run) that'd be 14 hours. That's manageable, but I forsee a lot of time spent letting it run while not actually looking at it. Hopefully nothing happens that would require a timely response.

4th Granite, 124

Praise Armok, many things are labeled (Capital N to view notes). If I build anything new, I'll make sure to label it accordingly to carry this on.

The cancellation spam continues from my previous turn, still have no idea what's causing that.

7th Granite, 124

We appear to be lacking a bookkeeper, and there are some manager tasks which have remained unconfirmed for who-knows-how-long, so that might also not be working.

I assigned Marineking to the position of bookkeeper


While looking at the nobles, I noticed that the mayor is lacking rather a lot of stuff

I'll see if I can do something about that.

Also, good news, it turns out that the controls can be unstuck after alt-tabbing by just pressing alt repeatedly.

I've named the Philosopher after myself. It seems like a pretty low-risk position.


Sir Willy has been dorfed as the captain of the guard, as per their request.



10th Granite, 124
The elven diplomat has arrived. They requested that we fell no more than one hundred trees this year, and I see no reason not to agree.

Also, I'm getting reports of brewing cancellation due to lack of barrels. We have more than enough booze, so I'm not going to manufacture more barrels, but turning off the brewing order seems likely to cause trouble down the line. I'll just ignore the reports, a bit more job cancellation spam doesn't change anything.

12th Granite, 124
I followed the sewers, and apparently we're draining our wastewater into the depths of hell itself.


I'll grant that it's an innovative waste-management strategy, but it seems like it might be somehow unwise.

15th Granite, 124
I've ordered some random stockpile rooms smoothed, mostly just to give some of our idlers something to do

17th Granite, 124
There's an open pit directly off a main hallway which leads straight down into a pool of lava in the forgeroom.




Lots of interesting design decisions around these here parts.

And once again, I'm waffling on tremendously in the first month. A consequence of the rather brutal real-time-to-game-time ratio, there's a lot of looking around the place compressed into very little in-game time.

26th Granite, 124
Traded with the elven caravan, gave them some stone and bone crafts, plus a few iron crafts they requested in a counteroffer, in exchange for two bears, all their booze, a bunch of berries, and some arrows. Do we need arrows? Eh, no such thing as too many arrows. There's also no such thing as too many bears.

I've also started carving out quarters for the mayor. And the philosopher. The philosopher apparently already has quite excellent quarters, but I can't find them so I'm making new ones.



14th Slate, 124
Migrants! Four in total, a Miner, Engineer, Peasant, and Mason. Not very skilled ones, though


19th Slate, 124
A fey mood! Their skills are masonry and Siege operating, don't think either of those are moodable.


Correction, masonry is moodable


26th Slate, 124
King Kingler is demanding an item in their throne room or office. Sure. But where are either of those things?



27th Slate, 124
Found the throne room!



I've ordered two statues to be installed, hopefully that fulfills the requirements.

Also, Zon has begun his construction!



Doesn't look like any particularly great materials, though



1st Felsite, 124

Apparently statues arent "items" as far as the king is concerned, the demand is still active.

Oh, from the wiki "It can happen that the demand will read 'item in room' - this is due to a bug and the demand then cannot be fulfilled."
Ah well.

Zon has completed their construction!




Worthless. Worthless! WORTHLESS!

1st Hematite, 124


Alright, that's it for this update. This season took about a week (what with holiday stuff and 8 fps), but I'm hoping to have a bit more time in the next few days to get the next season out faster than that.

Status as of the end of spring:



EDIT: oh, hey Dadamh. I'm sorry to say that your dorf died in my last turn, would you like a new one?

Yeah, I'd vote against a new thread

EDIT: if you haven't found the correct version of Dwarf Therapist, it's here:
https://code.google.com/archive/p/dwarftherapist/downloads?page=2
you want version 0.4.2