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Just like in real life!!!

just "Wow!"

Why not?

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tung·sten n. Symbol W
A hard, brittle, corrosion-resistant, gray to white metallic element extracted from wolframite, scheelite, and other minerals, having the highest melting point and lowest vapor pressure of any metal. Tungsten and its alloys are used in high-temperature structural materials; in electrical elements, notably lamp filaments; and in instruments requiring thermally compatible glass-to-metal seals. Atomic number 74; atomic weight 183.84; melting point 3,410°C; boiling point 5,900°C; specific gravity 19.3 (20°C); valence 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Also called wolfram.
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tungsten

Symbol: W
Atomic number: 74
Atomic weight: 183.85
White or grey metallic transition element, formerly called wolfram.
Forms a protective oxide in air and can be oxidized at high temperature.
First isolated by Jose and Fausto de Elhuyer in 1783.
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\Tung"sten\, n. [Sw. tungsten (cf. Dan. tungsteen, G. tungstein); tung heavy (akin to Dan. tung, Icel. [thorn]ungr) + sten stone. See Stone.] 1. (Chem.) A rare element of the chromium group found in certain minerals, as wolfram and scheelite, and isolated as a heavy steel-gray metal which is very hard and infusible. It has both acid and basic properties. When alloyed in small quantities with steel, it greatly increases its hardness. Symbol W (Wolframium). Atomic weight, 183.6. Specific gravity, 18.
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tungsten

n : a heavy gray-white metallic element; the pure form is used mainly in electrical applications; it is found in several ores including wolframite and scheelite [syn: wolfram, {W}, atomic number 74]
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So, to answer the Wolfram thing.....I don't know. But this info should allow most imformation for someone to add in the mighty tungsten to their Armok universe!

[ February 20, 2003: Message edited by: Denim Sk8r ]

*shudder*.......never mind

my thoughts on on how elementals work:

elementals are pretty much agreed to be magical in nature right, so their source of life tend to come from magical ends. So in order for most to retain "life" they need some source of magical energy input. So...

1) The elemental is given an energy supply as part of its creation and slowly exhausted that.

2) The elemental draws energy from some external source.

type 1 would be in a sense a sort of Summon Elemental as it only lasts so long before collapsing on itself. so this type of elemental could be destroyed by exhausting it's energy source prematurely, or delaying it somehow and letting it die out

type 2 could draw their energy in any number of ways.

A) draws energy from a device
B) draws energy from an area
C) draws energy from other sources

yeah, the last is vague, gimme a sec to explain

type A would be linked to a device either specificall made for the purpose of sustaining the elemental or any other devious converted or enchanted to that effect, so disable the devious to disable the elemental.

type B would be slightly different in a sense where the elemental gets its energy by "refeuling" somewhere corresponding with its type. (Water elemental w/body of water, etc...) This type could be set up such that it gradually loses it's form and becomes smaller as its source of energy, so it would need to go back to some place to restock on its form. Its ability to do so could be determined either by an innate power of the elemental(meaning any body of water would suffice) or with the area(this particular bosy of water has some magical effect on the elemental). so to kill this kind of elemental, cut it off from its source until it dies out.

the last kind, C, would be more "human" by comparision in that they would derive their energy by "feeding" off of something. It could be very similar to other races in that it actually "eats" food of some kind(people, cats, multi-vitamins, organic matter of some kind that it transfers directly into energy through magic or some sort of elemental organ system) or draws energy through action of some kind (fire elementals become stronger by...setting certain things on fire?)

As you can see it's pretty easy to cross some of these types over. there's a very simple and exact explanation to how this works:

I'm insane and this is the best I could do in expressing my thoughts. I hope this generates some ideas on how people want to do elementals.

I know that this doesn't really solve any of the problems involved in killing them really. They could be done like other demons in that they don't exaclty die(like those damnable Fleshballs!) but I think it would make more sense to have a core of some sort that functions like the brain, parts disconected from it are, immediately or after some time, converted into their normal form(turns into a puddle of water or glob of mud) whether or not it could later regain this back is up to whoever makes it. So, you could cut part of elementals off to slowly dwindle it(dropping a rock onto a water elemental would scatter it everywhere so it would be "dead")

What are other people's ideas about elementals having their own magical spells or abilites. Should some of them be able to control other forms of thier element around them(earth elemental can affect surrounding ground) and if so to what extent? Could an elemental who can affect its element be able to do so to such a degree that he forms minor elements? they wouldn't normally have any further powers as they are like disconected segments of the main elemental. This creates cool situations about like a "Master elemental" upon whose death all subordinates are disencahnted. Maybe under certain circumstances the underlings can become full elementals and then later attain their own underlings.

I think these last ideas go best with the concept of elementals being more like races than just beings. I don't know how I want to or if I want to try to put elementals in at all when it becomes possible.

I haven't relaly been in an Armok-ian mmod lately, I've had some stuff with college and such eating up too much time and thought to concentrate on this stuff, so don't expect anything besides occasional posts from me until I'm more together with everything and can spare time to this.

Meh, that was more typing than i was planning on doing. Spelguru, if you want your posts to be longer tpye more, if you want to type more, have more contributal thoughts to incorporate into your posts. Just go from there until you're done thinking, then stop.

It's not the size of your post that matters, it's what's inside.

That sounded way too dirty for me, ignore any sexual references.

AH! now I'm grossed out again. I'm back where I started!