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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 14, 2010, 05:05:24 pm »
Quote from: CJ1145 on May 14, 2010, 05:03:31 pm
Quote from: chaoticag on May 14, 2010, 03:41:07 pm
If Intelligent design is a scientific theory, how come it is never published in a peer reviewed article? How come there aren't any experiments to see if it's true? With evolution at least, we can test the hypothesis? Can you devise an experiment that tests the ID hypothesis? Thought experiments don't count, it has to be scientific lab work, like this one: http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/

Why hasn't it been published in a peer-reviewed article? Because people won't let it be published! Tell you what, go get yourself a scientific career. Then try to publish a paper that even mentions ID. See how long you last.

There is a reason for that you know.

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General Discussion / Re: Shia LeBeouf Promises Better "Transformers Movie" Next Time
« on: May 14, 2010, 05:04:54 pm »
Quote from: quinnr on May 14, 2010, 03:55:00 pm
So people need to talk with explosions, and we can all be happy.

MORSE CODE IN EXPLOSIONS:

BAM BAM BAM!
BOOM...BOOM...BOOM!
BAM BAM BAM!

That would be amazing and you know it.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 14, 2010, 05:02:41 pm »
For those interested in Evolution, the Nylon-eating Bacteria and E-Coli Long Term Experiment articles are quite interesting to read, especially if you follow the cited sources.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 14, 2010, 04:56:45 pm »
I'm actually agreeing with Siquo here...

...

Ok, the Universe is still intact, let's continue. DarthCloakedDwarf's arguments are, uh, strange? Nonsensical? I'm not sure where to start.

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General Discussion / Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« on: May 14, 2010, 04:47:20 pm »
Thankyou for actually providing clear and concise reasoning Zombie, i was starting to despair of ever getting anything except declarations of my intelligence or perversion in response.

Ultimately, i do agree with you, although i must hasten to add that there is absolutely no way for us to tell how much these girls understand about what they are doing or not, which makes it difficult to form a sensible judgement beyond the knee-jerk explosiveness that Pathos seems to so enjoy.

Personally i don't see this dance as wrong, but that is probably because i simply cannot bring myself to see any sexualisation in it. I personally do not think this is degrading or dehumanizing or anything rediculous like that, but i can definitely see the point you're coming from, and i can agree that this is perhaps skirting a little too close to the line for comfort.


Thankyou again for being reasonable and sensible in your responses without instantly degenerating into insults Zombie; it appears to be a rare talent on the internets.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Moar DnDs on the Interwebs (Back to Fridays\Sundays)
« on: May 14, 2010, 04:14:19 pm »
    59.101.231.56

Be there or be oblong.

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General Discussion / Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« on: May 14, 2010, 10:08:20 am »
Lets keep to the discussion at hand shall we?

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General Discussion / Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« on: May 14, 2010, 10:04:41 am »
Quote from: Duke 2.0 on May 14, 2010, 10:00:34 am
This has sort of been bothering me. Not because the idea is wrong, but because it sort of applies to the argument at hand. Do children understand what is going on, and the consequences of such? Because despite how much you argue that sexuality is ingrained in our socieoty you must admit that embracing it in a public and free way does encourage some amount of recklessness with it simply because nothing is taught about responsibility over your own sexuality.

That's more a failure of the system by which people are educated (not just the education system, as parents and peers are ovbiously involved in the process) than it is some innate property of the concept. It's not like children cannot be taught responsibility about these things, we just choose not to. (And, one could possibly argue, neglecting that can cause all sorts of problems, not the least of which leaving unwary children vulnerable to predatory adults.)

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Quite simply, I don't think children are developed enough to be responsible with sexuality. And even when you have an adult around it is generally not a good idea to hand a kid a chainsaw.

Possibly, but how do you determine when they are developed enough? And can we keep the rediculous comparisons to a minimum; they really don't add anything to the discussion.

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General Discussion / Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« on: May 14, 2010, 09:47:59 am »
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I didn't say it leads TO paedophilia, I said it leads to paedophilia being more acceptable in Western culture.

Really? How? And why is it unique to Western culture, the same practices wouldn't lead to it being acceptable in Chinese culture?

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I don't know, what you said was similar to saying, "I support a free market economy, but I don't support capitalism. Capitalism is WRONG." They're too closely linked to support one without the other. Of course, you don't care about this.

Are they? It seems to me that you're just having trouble working out where to draw the line. I draw it at actions, if that helps.

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So, tell me, why isn't it wrong for children to be sexualised?

Because i can't think of any real reason why it is. Ovbiously actually engaging in sexual activity with children is a bad idea, as they are minors and the health problems that can result are pretty serious, but as for why they shouldn't dress up and dance in a provocative manner (so long as it is their choice, they enjoy it and they are not being exploited) i'm drawing blanks. The only reasons i can think of for somone to truely believe such a thing is bad are founded in religion, specifically the rather impressive propaganda campaign waged by the various Abrahamic religions over the past few milennia, but that relates to sexualisation in general rather than specifically in relation to children.
Sexualisation is a pretty major part of our culture, in fact one could make a reasonable argument that the vast majority of culture ultimately comes down to sex at it's core; why should children be excluded from that? I'm wondering if perhaps the same line of reasoning that leads to parents lying to their children about the world being fair and equal is being used to reach this conclusion about sexualisation.

The fact that you're reduced to asking me why i think it isn't wrong leads me to conclude that you couldn't think of any non knee-jerk emotional reason why it was wrong either.

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General Discussion / Re: Let's Discuss Piracy
« on: May 14, 2010, 09:34:42 am »
Quote from: Soadreqm on May 14, 2010, 09:33:45 am
Quote from: Neruz on May 14, 2010, 09:06:57 am
Lawyers don't; the layman can call it theft all he wants, all that matters is how the law sees it. And the law sees Copyright Violation (or Copyright Infringement as i believe it is called) as Copyright Violation, not as Theft.
It doesn't really matter what the lawyers call it, as long as there are laws describing what you do with it. It's not like they even call theft theft. There's burglary, larceny, shoplifting, looting, embezzling, robbery and fraud, all of which are presumably different in some subtle ways. And in any case, the law sees copyright infringement as illegal. Which, I suppose, is usually the only way law sees things.

And all the analogies about copyright infringement being LIKE theft are, well, analogies. They don't have to stand up to literal interpretation, and should really be expected to be highly dependent on personal opinion.

Thankyou for agreeing with me.

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General Discussion / Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« on: May 14, 2010, 09:32:57 am »
So you're saying that sexualising children is wrong because it leads to paedophilia, o.k., do you actually have any proof of that particular claim? Because it sounds pretty similar to the old "violence in TV leads to people commiting murder" adage trotted out every so often.

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If you say it's okay for children to act sexily, then you're saying it's okay for a person to be sexually attracted (and have sexual conduct with them) to children. Especially since it gives them that whole "but she was dressed provocatively" line.

I don't recall saying that. Did i say that? I recall asking why you thought it was a bad thing, and i recall implying that i did not think children imitating the adults in their life by acting in a sexualised fashion was a bad thing, but i don't ever recall saying that someone being sexually attracted to and having sexual conduct with children was a good thing. You appear to be not only putting words into my mouth, but also attempting to condemn people based on their thoughts, rather than their actions, which is one hell of a slippery slope.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 14, 2010, 09:14:10 am »
Quote from: Siquo on May 14, 2010, 06:31:47 am
Quote from: Neruz on May 14, 2010, 05:37:18 am
The whole point about the Scientific Method is that everything is subject to revision if new evidence arises.
And yet, somehow, that fact seems to be forgotten by a lot of "atheists". Also that the "first theories" are actually assumptions ;)

Already been over this, if you want to pick up the discussion where you abandoned it feel free.

Quote from: Siquo on May 14, 2010, 06:31:47 am
I'm also confused how you can discuss two belief systems without an accepted overlapping paradigm, such as philosophy. Discussing theism vs atheism using solely theology vs scientific terms is never going to get anyone anywhere. I'm trying to find a common ground by transposing the discussion into philosophical territory. If you have a better idea, I'd like to hear it.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but if you want to discuss philosophy, don't just start stealthily inserting philosophical discourse into your posts. All that does is cause confusion.

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General Discussion / Re: Let's Discuss Piracy
« on: May 14, 2010, 09:06:57 am »
Quote from: Soadreqm on May 14, 2010, 07:06:13 am
Quote from: Neruz on May 14, 2010, 05:33:00 am
Copyright Violation isn't theft; that's why it's called Copyright Violation. If it was theft, we'd call it theft.
Counterpoint: several people do. :D
Lawyers don't; the layman can call it theft all he wants, all that matters is how the law sees it. And the law sees Copyright Violation (or Copyright Infringement as i believe it is called) as Copyright Violation, not as Theft.

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General Discussion / Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« on: May 14, 2010, 09:04:24 am »
Out of curiousity; because it just sort of occured to me. Why exactly is these kids dancing in a sexualised way bad? I mean, ovbiously actually having sex with them is unacceptable, but pretending to be all sexy and grown up is bad for precisely what reason?

Just curious; i'm trying to work out what angle you're coming from here, although i suspect i already know.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Elves of Amanereli - Paint adventure
« on: May 14, 2010, 05:39:08 am »
Quote from: Acanthus117 on May 14, 2010, 05:32:33 am
I so want three, but only because I wanna see how HUMENS look like.

Manmans.

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