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[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]

I'm thinking these have to be changed... If it works, it'll have the pleasant side effect that you can eat the elven caravan once in a while.

Actually, changing these to ACCEPTABLE will allow fortresses to butcher beings with the [INTELLIGENT] tag; this includes elves, goblins, kobolds, etc. The only things that will not be butcherable are your own dwarves.

I've played with sentient-eating dwarves, but it becomes a hauling nightmare after a while; imaging having just obliterated a 60+ siege, and then allowing the civilians to work. Not only will they haul the loot inside, but those with the Butcher labor active will haul these corpses to the nearest butchery. Then after butchering, tons of more hauling jobs will be created as a million body parts are created after the deed is done. Multiply this by 60 gobbos, and then you'll wish you had either 200 dwarves, or [SPEED:0].

I'm not sure why the FURRY_SKIN tissue would alter HAIR at all, since it's a straight replacement for skin.  In the latest upload, hair isn't touched at all in the FURRED variation, except when it's applied via BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:BODY_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS:HAIR.

In regards to flavour, though, I haven't touched the colours, lengths or styles of hair tissues, because doing so would be a rather enormous job for little immediate benefit.  Theoretically it should be as simple as changing the descriptive nouns from 'hair' to 'fur'.

My current project for tonight is to go through the vanilla raws and update them all to work with the variations.  I figure there will be more interest in this mod if it comes in a useable package!

OK, I see. Looking once again at c_variation_tanmod, indeed the [CREATURE_VARIATION:FURRED] entry only removes normal SKIN_TEMPLATE and adds FURRY_SKIN_TEMPLATE, never touching the hair. For some odd reason, I thought that it also had the tag [CV_NEW_TAG:REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]. 

Regarding flavour, this its just something of a personal project, so it's not meant to pressure you into adding features to your mod that might not be necessary. I kinda have an active imagination, so personally adding descriptors that enhance the image of dorfs and other creatures is a big plus for my enjoyment of the game .


EDIT: Forgot to mention, but I'm a little OCD when it comes to litter, refuse, and other garbage strewn about my fortress. For that reason, I modded certain things to be 'reusable' so that nothing is left rotting around. One example is that I made all types of sinew able to be converted to thread with a workshop reaction:

1. Add this to SINEW_TEMPLATE in material_default:

[SILK]
[ITEMS_SOFT]
[REACTION_CLASS:REFINE_SILK]
[REACTION_CLASS:REFINE_SINEW]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:RECYCLE_MAT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW]
2. I have a custom-made "Recycler's Workshop" building where I assign these reactions (this goes in building_custom.txt):

[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:RECYCLER_WORKSHOP]
[NAME:Recycler's Workshop]
[NAME_COLOR:7:0:1]
[WORK_LOCATION:2:2]
[DIM:3:3]
[BUILD_LABOR:LEATHER]
[BUILD_KEY:CUSTOM_SHIFT_K]
[BLOCK:1:0:1:0]
[BLOCK:2:0:0:0]
[BLOCK:3:0:0:0]
[TILE:0:1:142:142:142]
[TILE:0:2:142:142:142]
[TILE:0:3:142:142:142]
[COLOR:0:1:2:0:0:2:0:0:2:0:0]
[COLOR:0:2:2:0:0:2:0:0:2:0:0]
[COLOR:0:3:2:0:0:2:0:0:2:0:0]
[TILE:1:1:142:232:142]
[TILE:1:2:232:142:232]
[TILE:1:3:142:142:142]
[COLOR:1:1:2:0:0:3:2:1:2:0:0]
[COLOR:1:2:3:2:1:2:0:0:3:2:1]
[COLOR:1:3:2:0:0:2:0:0:2:0:0]
[TILE:2:1:156:232:156]
[TILE:2:2:232:142:232]
[TILE:2:3:156:142:156]
[COLOR:2:1:3:2:1:3:2:1:3:2:1]
[COLOR:2:2:3:2:1:2:0:0:3:2:1]
[COLOR:2:3:3:2:1:2:0:0:3:2:1]
[TILE:3:1:232:8:232]
[TILE:3:2:18:126:18]
[TILE:3:3:141:141:141]
[COLOR:3:1:3:2:0:6:2:0:3:2:0]
[COLOR:3:2:3:2:0:1:0:1:3:2:0]
[COLOR:3:3:2:0:1:2:0:1:2:0:1]
[BUILD_ITEM:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][BUILDMAT][WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]
3. And of course, the reaction. This goes in reaction_other.txt:

[REACTION:RECYCLE_SINEW]
[NAME:weave sinew into thread]
[BUILDING:RECYCLER_WORKSHOP:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][REACTION_CLASS:REFINE_SINEW][HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:RECYCLE_MAT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:THREAD:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:RECYCLE_MAT][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:15000]
[SKILL:BUTCHER]
4. Add these under ENTITY:MOUNTAIN in entity_default.txt:

[PERMITTED_BUILDING:RECYCLER_WORKSHOP]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RECYCLE_SINEW]

5. Generate a new world, then enjoy!


PS: For those already running a world, you may replace an existing reaction (I normally use the lay pewter reaction) and add the REAGENT and PRODUCT part to it. This should allow you to use the smelter for the custom reaction.

PPS: Also, if you're too lazy (or forgetful) to remember to activate the reaction everytime you have sinew around, you can put the [AUTOMATIC] tag into it, and everytime there's accessible material, a dwarf with the butcher labor enabled will grab that sinew and convert it into thread.

V0.1.4 released & uploaded, done some testing and it seems ok, but I imagine you lot will find a bug or two. I hope not though, would do more but going to bed now as it's 4am.

V0.1.4 Changes:

• Added position editing
• Added mood skill editing
• Added missing attributes
• Fixed keyboard navigation in the dwarf and creature tables
• Some minor internal optimisation

SUPER SWEET! Those gobbos will not know what hit 'em (Actually, they will. A piece of the floor as they're falling from 400 Z up in the sky.)

This utility has progressed so much, I can't even fathom why I was playing DF without it. Runesmith will eventually be the all-in-one for serious DF hacking.

Minor request, if possible: Does dfhack have the ability to find the flag that sets 'On Break' status for a dorf? If so, can you add this feature to the Flags tab in Runesmith? It kinda ticks me off that my broker is "on break" and there are three different caravans waiting in the depot .

sizeak's Runesmith: We do what we must, because, it's fun.

Oddly, that fits the tune if you sing it out loud.

Edit: Also, I thought I saw something about different castes per gender in [CREATURE:DWARF] in the raw/objects/creature_standard file, but I wasn't sure what it meant, because I are noob. So, you're probably right about that.

Derailing the thread a bit:

Yeah, all creatures in the raw from 0.31 on have now two castes: male and female. You should already know what these two thing are.    The [FEMALE] tag allows for that caste to become pregnant and bear children; the male tag does nothing special, but a caste with [FEMALE] tag needs another caste with the [MALE] tag to do the thing with the birds and the bees. You are able to add additional castes to a creature entry, and, of course, add the gender tabs as well; you could have 5 different castes of childbearers and three "male" castes. Each childbearing caste can get pregnant and give birth to different castes as well, according to a population ratio that you specify.


Actually, this begs the question: What happens when a caste has both the [MALE] and [FEMALE] tag?

Is it just me, or does changing a gender only sort of work? I changed a male dorf into a woman, but that dorf still went on to bed down a woman. Also, Dwarf Therapist still sorts them by their original gender, even after restarting the program.

I feel like I'm doing a lot of complaining and nothing to help. I just want you to know, sizeak, that I really appreciate this tool, and it's an awesome thing you've brought to life. Between Runesmith and DF, it's inspired me to go into programming, so long as there's a "Programming for noobz" class.

Well, a man is still a man (or dwarf), even if he grows a pair of boobs after eating way too much McDonald's... 

On a serious note, its possible that gender definitions are much more than just a simple flag. Quite possibly there's various underlaying code (and memory offsets) that still define that dwarf to be its original gender, regardless of how many times he visits the Runesmith for a sex-change.

One quick thought just popped up: Will a dwarf so changed be able to get pregnant and bear children?

Bad news. I implemented setting the mood skill and it still causes them to go berserk if you set a mood. I'm guessing you need them to have mood materials to, however these aren't present unless it's a real mood and currently its not something that can be set.

Edit: On a good note, it's now possible to edit their positions, though be careful where you transport them to, it's very possible to transport them into solid rock...

That's too bad about the moods, as it would be something that we could play around with. But look at it from the positive side: Ambush surprised your farmer? Instead of having him try to run away and eventually get killed, you can have him go in a berserk rage and take down some gobbos before eventually getting killed .


Many thanks for the position editing though! This is a feature that will see MUCH use in my forts. You shouldn't worry about teleporting stuff into solid rock; after all, that noble who requests to be teleported to the booze pile will suddenly find himself in a porting "mishap"...

Quote from: MaximumZero on June 21, 2010, 11:02:23 pm

Quote from: darkedone02 on June 21, 2010, 10:49:28 pm

I love this program, however there is one thing that i want to know... where is that ability for my dwarfs to understand relationships, as I maxed out all attributes and skills, yet I still got this problem where they have a poor ability to understand relationships or manage it...

Did you do any monkeying with the "Traits" tab? I'm not sure that that's there, but it's a place to start looking...

I did, but i don't think it's that. It should be at the attribute section because it's red instead of green, I think it's not added into it.

It looks like Runesmith is missing entries for the following attributes:

-Kinesthetic Sense
-Empathy
-Social Awareness

That's probably why your dorfs still has "relationship problems  "; you couldn't modify the Social Awareness attribute if you wanted to. I guess this is another feature request to sizeak for the next version? 

Looking at it from the positive side, at least your dwarves can rip apart sieges with their bare hands.

I have a small request, sizeak. Is it possible for you to code a feature that allows Runesmith to write a custom X/Y/Z position for a creature, to allow defacto teleportation? I know that it currently reads and displays this, but I would like to modify the creature's location as well. I had an idea about building a completely enclosed space, teleporting the HFS there, and then every time you get a goblin siege (or elf merchants), proceed to teleport the latter within the "arena". Joy of joys as you see the goblins/hippies utterly slaughtered by those nasties.