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Interesting... As I said, I figured the suggestion would be hit or miss
But, I will push it a bit more, not for the sake of argument but to see if maybe I cant expand your playstyle a bit: Have you considered taking a less 'make a bagillion dollars a day and grow old and ugly' approach to the Sims? For example, rather than just trying to be the best at your job, make your person really lazy. Or want a huge family. Or breed animals. Or build stuff. etc.
I could just try and make my DF fort the most powerful and best every time I play... after the first couple I'd get kinda bored. Thus, I start taking different paths and making different things, like I am on a big human settlement kick, right now.
You can do the same in the Sims, play differently each time. it seems to me that you are making the same character each time you play (a hard working, micromanaged, successful individual).
Of course, its possible you have done all this but still reached the same conclusion... but... in the case you have not, try it:-) Build a sims megaproject:-)

Otherwise, let me try another suggestion:
Tycoon games. I tend to get a similar joy out of tycoon games as I do out of DF. Railroad Tycoon, Rollercoaster Tycoon, Transport Tycoon, Simutrans, to list a few. What are your thoughts on those types of games? I think they fit the bill of 'play forever, continually improving/modifying/trying new things' pretty well.

Oh, I love Tycoon games. I played Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 for a long time awhile ago. I find it very difficult to start a game up again though for some reason.

That is true also, with the whole micromanaged sim thing. I micromanage EVERYTHING in games, at least I try to as much as possible. It would probably be a good experience to try a less perfectionist approach to things. Makes for a better story in the end I would think.

For some reason, the games I like are either extremely simple, or otherwise, this other stuff. It's kind of strange, I don't see a happy medium in between, I think it mostly just fits my idea of what mood I am, how much time I have, etc.
Games like Osmos, cortex command, Soldat, very small games that take less action from me. Maybe I'll start another thread to discuss these simple games. I just love to zone out on a "mouse-only" input game once in a while.

Quote from: Muz on February 09, 2010, 01:58:48 am

Depends strongly on what you consider depth. I feel that Morrowind is shallow, but "broad", not deep. Lots of things to explore, but not many ways you can be creative.

I actually consider Worms an in-depth game, because there's a huge range of tactics you can use, and there's plenty of complex ways you can use to achieve victory.

Any MMO strategy game can also have an amazing amount of depth, if you play with a good alliance.

If you mean something that has limitless exploration, try Fallout 3. Or some RPI MUDs, especially Armageddon. Arm's world is built mostly by player actions, and there's a massive world to explore.

good post.

'depth' seems to have a different meaning to everyone. When I read he thought morrowind had depth I realized I wasn't going to be able to contribute much to his search, since I feel Morrowwind is pretty darn shallow like you indicate.

But now it seems to me, depth in his mind is time you can spend playing while actually progressing. I base this on:
"Morrowind lasts for freaking ever" and "how much there is to accomplish in the game". Although, I feel both those statements have different potentials behind them as well. For example, I could play and beat Morrowind in a couple of hours easily, but I don't have to; I could explore its full world and spend much more time.
So in the end, I think LemonMan should be content with nearly any game that does not have a straightforward story/progress track- regardless of 'depth'.

As such, I'll throw in my own suggestion: Daggerfall

Hey, I like this post. I think you guys figured it out.
I guess that I used the term depth wrong, or in a way I didn't mean. But yeah, I guess I am looking for games that let me play and play and play without repeating actions and actually coming out with a more advanced character/fortress/whatever.

I tried playing daggerfall on my PC but couldn't get it working. I grabbed the installer off of fileshack or something then installed DOSbox. After figuring out how to type a "\" I unpacked/installed it but then when I tried to run it it gave me some sort of error. Grrrrrr.

Hey guys an gals,

I was just wondering what other incredibly in-depth games there are out there. Like Dwarf Fortress obviously. I just love dwarf fort because of it's incredibly complexity and all the options it gives me.
Another game I was thinking of was morrowind, I loved the depth of the game as well.

But anyways my question was,
What other games are there out there that have that sense of depth that I might be looking for?