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Yep.... I could not play without this.  So even though it's not being updated anymore, thank you SO MUCH, chmod and co and anyone else who worked on it....

The only personality type that never makes mistakes is the personality type that is too afraid of failure to attempt new things in the first place. Something I've been thinking about lately, since that was me for a very long time, and I never saw it. It lets you go through life feeling a bit superior to those around you, since they're stumbling along while you always get it perfect. Then you realise you're doing the exact same shit you've been doing your whole life, walking in circles (or more appropriately, a shallow spiral), while they're stumbling because they're learning new things every day and leaving you behind.

Yes, I also used to be this person... I thought I was so much better than everyone else, criticizing others for the things I'm doing right and feeling like I'm on the right track because all these other people are stupid, I'M the one who knows how to do things right.  I think this kind of minor superiority complex went with my teenage years... well, I hope!  I definitely try these days just to put myself in other peoples' shoes.

I think there's another part to this.  People complain that "well they ask and they ask and they ask and why don't they just look! It's right there!"  I think these people are thinking more of themselves than others.  They're enjoying mocking others because it makes them feel strong.  They know something this other person doesn't know, and they think it's okay because it's plainly obvious to them.  So it should be plainly obvious to everyone, right?!

Everyone does things for a reason.  Nobody wakes up and goes "You know, I'm just going to be a huge dick today.  I'm going to go on internet forums and ask people questions that I could have found the answer to myself.  And then I am going to be really defensive when they criticize me, because I'm just a dick like that."

I had a particularly aggravating series of dealing with incompetent fucking humans at work today, along with a raging headache due to not having eaten in more than a day.....so...whatever. $30 of BBQ later, I'm feeling much better. Let's take a shot at an apology:

Take the asshole out of the post i made and the general tone is : People who get upset at people being 'snarky' on an internet forum, especially one where simple questions have simple answers that people get absolutely tired of answering over and over and over and over again, and resources and an abundance of information are well presented to help these people asking the questions...i have no sympathy, really none at all. It only bothers me when meddling holier-than-thou netiquette police have nothing better to do than come in and complain that someone's being 'snarky'. Welcome to the internet now go back to your geocities crochet webring ... or get over yourself.

Still rude i guess. Just goes to show you, you can feed an asshole and it's still an asshole....whatever. Fucking humans.

I understand you had a hard day, but to me, this is exactly the wrong attitude to take. There is a certain amount of hypocricy in saying that you hate when people complain about snarkiness, but that you feel it is okay to blow off the handle at them because they should have known better.

Their asking a stupid question is probably completely disassociated with the rest of their life, you know.  They are normal people who get up, go to work, come home, and are completely boggled at why people are getting angry at them on the internet.  They will not learn from you getting angry at them.  And as frustrating as it may be for you to answer the same questions over and over when they are easily accessible.... there is a simple solution.  Either don't answer, ignore it completely, or find the easily-accessible link and post it.  There, problem dealt with, with much less stress involved.

Maybe I'm overthinking this.  But it's just an issue I've been thinking about lately, as there are a lot of forums that I frequent where some (or even all) of the members have this kind of "blow up at newbies" attitude that really seems wrong to me.  Everybody makes stupid mistakes.  Everybody.  You do too.  Maybe you don't want to admit it, but you're just as stupid a human as the person who asks the stupid question in a thread where the answer is right in front of their nose.  It's just that your stupidity isn't showing up in this context, because you're more well-versed here.  You're comfortable.  The person who comes in and says "LOL HOW DUZ I INSTALL DORF" isn't.

Quote from: Chrissi on July 01, 2010, 06:39:56 pm

That is not true, I've had a troll bust through a floor hatch.

From below, for clarification. It wasn't on the same z-level.

Was it locked? If not then he could path through it and destroy it that way anyway. I was pretty sure hatches over entrances were used in some previous examples...

Yes it was locked, and it specifically said that he busted the hatch (I forget the exact message, I don't get many building destroyers the way I play... so it's the first time it's happened.  I learned my lesson too, ever since then it's walls and drawbridges.)

I don't think so... I think you're greatly overestimating the general population's ability to think on their feet in novel situations.

It would be easier for them to just follow the instructions, if they understood them.  It would be easier to go back two pages than wait half a day for a reply from somebody who's going to say the same thing.  It just doesnt' occur to people.  You have to be patient with them.  People either get it or they don't, and usually they don't.  Patience.

I thought wagons being gone was a feature.  They sure seem to bring plenty of stuff most of the time, even without a wagon.... I assumed they used their animals now.  It really WAS kind of annoying to require a 3-tile wide path to your trade depot and not be able to block it off with a door at all, because doors can only be 2 wide (must have a wall on one side)... I was happy to find there were no more wagons in 2010.

So the thing that has bugged me about this game from the start is the appearance of the workshops.  I can't tell one workshop from the next, I can't even tell where the workshop starts and ends because it's a mess of random characters.  I hate how the workshops look.

Does anyone think there's any way to make workshops look... you know, like a building, with a wall around the outside, or some sort of cohesive look instead of the random jumble?

Not sure if I'm being really clear here.  I'm wondering if anybody has made a pack that modifies the appearance of workshops, or if someone knows how I could go about doing this myself.  Even if I can just change the characters that represent a workshop, that would be good enough.

I generally play without graphics so somethign with just the ASCII tiles is what I'm looking for, but if somebody already made a graphics pack that modifies the workshops I'd be willing to use that, or at least check out how they did it and do it for myself in ascii.