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DF General Discussion / Re: Future of the Fortress
« on: July 02, 2013, 07:38:04 pm »
how soon until Toady calls the game beta?
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DF Community Games & Stories / Re: The Forgotten Beast Art Contest!
« on: January 27, 2013, 10:12:37 pm »Here's the unfinished version of my submission. I need to whip out the scanner again tomorrow and scan down the final copy.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That's pretty cool. Looks like he's climbing bathroom tiles. The black bit is the shower curtain and on the bottom is billowing steam from the hot water in the tub.And that's how your drain gets mysteriously clogged with hair.
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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: I badly draw your reports!
« on: January 24, 2013, 08:10:53 pm »
the poll is at 180 close it
that's 10x's life in hebrew.
that's 10x's life in hebrew.
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General Discussion / Re: Humans, and eventually a colony on Mars.
« on: January 16, 2013, 08:33:34 am »
1. So ? Once you're on Mars, you can actually mine it without sending mining robots from Earth/Luna (because well, you can't produce rovers in space). Also, if you want to mine an asteroid, you want that the mined materials get back. I guess it would be tricky in space, but not impossible, although fairly less than a truck on Mars.
2. You can't produce energy for a human colony with solar panels only, be it on Earth, Mars, Space, or whatever (maybe Sun, but that would be geosunny).
And I don't even want to imagine the issues of overproduction of energy in space.
3. That's interesting, but nothing prevents you to sent a mining probe from Luna or Mars either.
4. No you can't. Your space station won't be holding in the space like that. It will be in Earth's orbit (no, it can't cancel gravity forces by spinning on itself). And I don't know why you would want to collapse Mars. We don't mine the whole of Earth because it's costly and not interesting, not because it's unsafe.Well, unless you give me an exemple of something that can threaten a Earth base, yes, I'll consider you as an uninformed pessimist who like space. And war ain't it. Just dig deep enough, keep the location more or less secret. If there is anything that can threaten you, humanity is advanced enough they don't need your help.I'm not about a colony for safekeeping humanity. Space colonization will happen, be it only for the mining/expansion of humanity. Planet colonies are just more realistic than space stations.
1 Why can't you make rovers in space -- you're going to be making everything in space. And where is this "back" that you are talking about -- you're home -- and the best RV ev--er
2. why can't you fully supply with solar energy -- the rovers do it. If you need more energy just add more panels -- it's not like there is a limit of space in space. And if the energy supply is getting too much -- shade some panels.
3 mining probes take up a lot of energy to land -- thus they need fuel and that means bigger ships which means more energy to get out of earth's orbit etc.,
4. You don't get it -- a space station with angular momentum need not be in orbit around anything. It can go anywhere and be anywhere -- there may be no point to being at pluto -- but if it saw a point, it would just motor on over. There is no reason for it to be tethered to the earth it's a mobile home.
And if the center of Mars is molten metal why shouldn't we mine towards it? It's not as if it would stay molten when exposed to space -- And even the dirt may have uses (like growing crops if you didn't want to go hydroponic)
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General Discussion / Re: Humans, and eventually a colony on Mars.
« on: January 15, 2013, 10:05:27 pm »Well, unless you give me an exemple of something that can threaten a Earth base, yes, I'll consider you as an uninformed pessimist who like space. And war ain't it. Just dig deep enough, keep the location more or less secret. If there is anything that can threaten you, humanity is advanced enough they don't need your help.Just to further reinforce this point.
-WWIII: You really think that an off planet colony will be able to maintain neutrality? After all, an offworld location is one of your best assets to break the MAD stalemate
And besides, the requirements for a fully, completely autonomous colony are enormous.
A series of space stations can maintain neutrality -- first off they are mobile enough to just leave -- second off -- fighting in a ring in space is suicide.
I DID however realize why a permanent Mars base may become a reality more than any other reason. It is something the politicians can sell best to their voters. (or NASA to the politicians).
Because almost all sci fi is set on planets and not orbiting rings the average Kirk thinks of colonizing Mars, not a space ring.
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General Discussion / Re: Humans, and eventually a colony on Mars.
« on: January 15, 2013, 10:00:23 pm »Mine oxygen from asteroids.Can you explain to me how that would be easier than an Mars based colony (or an moon colony, or an "asteroid" colony) ?
Or send the rocks from the moon. Silicon aluminum and oxygen rich stones, they are. Yoda speaking I don't know why I am.
Sure --1. the energy to go to a whole bunch of asteroids and mine them is much less than landing on Mars. (the joke among astronomers is that leaving the earth gravity field is the half way point to the rest of the universe. Mars is probably only about a fourth as bad as the earth, but it's still a lot of fight to leave and return)
2 the energy collected on Mars vs. a full time space station is significant (Mars gets less than half the solar energy that Earth does Mercury gets like 10 times more) And no energy is expended on cleaning off the solar panels. (Mars is awfully dusty -- which is a problem with the spirit and opportunity [rovers& b4 curiosity])
3. More variety of mining [or at least less friction to mess up the travel to mine] Importantly WATER is much more common in asteroids -- or it may be possible to mine a comet for water. (This does exclude the poles but according to the wiki article "When the poles are again exposed to sunlight, the frozen CO2 sublimes, creating enormous winds that sweep off the poles as fast as 400 km/h" -- I don't think that's a smart place to put a station)
4. Once you've gotten it started you can make other things (such as something to mine out the whole of Mars -- which you can't do with a planet without causing instabilities and messing up with gravity (there is virtually no gravity in the middle of the planet because the pull goes in all directions equally)
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General Discussion / Re: What is the organ of love?
« on: January 14, 2013, 08:52:24 pm »Does this mean I'm only capable of half the love of a normal person?Why, what happened to your atria?
...Or were you talking about the eye guy?No, because human scent sucks.Eyes. Humans are vision-based animals, so it'd stand to reason that their sense of perception- including of, say, love- would be vision-focused.By that reasoning it would be more reasonable to say nose because of pheromones etc,.
I say the brain. It's where all emotions come from, and all decisions. Or maybe one of the glands. Have the hormones causing infatuation ever been studied?
http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-09/news/27328851_1_body-odor-smell-mating
As I said -- the nose.
Why?
Science $#@^s!
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General Discussion / Re: What is the organ of love?
« on: January 14, 2013, 08:47:38 pm »Eyes. Humans are vision-based animals, so it'd stand to reason that their sense of perception- including of, say, love- would be vision-focused.By that reasoning it would be more reasonable to say nose because of pheromones etc,.
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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: I badly draw your reports!
« on: January 14, 2013, 08:06:33 pm »That WAS indeed my point.It hurts my brain.Well, God is usually referred to as He--in fact, I've never seen it used that way for anything but a deity.I think capitalization is consistent for fight logs because it's better than the alternative.
the diggle pierces the miner in the head, shattering his skull and imploding his little dwarven brain!
the miner is deceased sorry :(
how Is inconsistent Capitalization a problem At All?
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General Discussion / Re: What is the organ of love?
« on: January 14, 2013, 08:05:53 pm »
In biblical Hebrew the emotional center was the gut -- I would assume that love would be there too.
(the heart was decision making and head thought making)
(the heart was decision making and head thought making)
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General Discussion / Re: Humans, and eventually a colony on Mars.
« on: January 14, 2013, 08:01:55 pm »Mine oxygen from asteroids.In terms of technology we already have every piece of technology we'd need for a space station while Martian colonies would require a lot of new stuff. The needs for a station are actually pretty easy:You seems to consider that all this stuff is "easy" while most of your examples could be the same on Mars (but they're inaccurate, we can't create oxygens from photons, we can't fulfill a human station/colony needs with solar panels, and so on).
gravity (spin it)
food (grow it)
oxygen (photosynthesize it)
energy (solar panels)
materials (build a catapult on the moon)
The most advanced thing in this list is solar panels and we'e had them for forty years. The only thing stopping us is the massive up front investment.
Also, except for a scientifc point, a space station would have no point. That's why we have ISS, which is great for astronomic reasons.
Or send the rocks from the moon. Silicon aluminum and oxygen rich stones, they are. Yoda speaking I don't know why I am.
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DF Community Games & Stories / Re: The Forgotten Beast Art Contest!
« on: January 14, 2013, 07:54:53 pm »Spoiler (click to show/hide)
First LOL
Urist McWrestler: I can't find that elf-loving Forgotten beast -- I know it has to be here somewhere!
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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: I badly draw your reports!
« on: January 14, 2013, 07:52:33 pm »Well, God is usually referred to as He--in fact, I've never seen it used that way for anything but a deity.I think capitalization is consistent for fight logs because it's better than the alternative.
the diggle pierces the miner in the head, shattering his skull and imploding his little dwarven brain!
the miner is deceased sorry :(
how Is inconsistent Capitalization a problem At All?
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General Discussion / Re: Humans, and eventually a colony on Mars.
« on: January 13, 2013, 09:47:09 pm »
I'm pretty sure that a permanent space station is much more practical than Mars for about 100% of the claims.
Fear asteroids? Mars has no protection against them -- so you'd have to dig massively. A ring can move out of the way of anything dangerous.
Want minerals -- either send a ship to shoot the stuff off of a planet (for the massive amounts of material factor) or the more subtle mining.
Redundancy -- just build another ring.
Energy -- beam it from Mars get it without a shred of dust to worry about.
I do think that Mars may happen because we seem to be planning for it. http://sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/simulating-the-red-planet-on-the-pale-blue-dot.html But I think that the benefits are less than advertised.
Fear asteroids? Mars has no protection against them -- so you'd have to dig massively. A ring can move out of the way of anything dangerous.
Want minerals -- either send a ship to shoot the stuff off of a planet (for the massive amounts of material factor) or the more subtle mining.
Redundancy -- just build another ring.
Energy -- beam it from Mars get it without a shred of dust to worry about.
I do think that Mars may happen because we seem to be planning for it. http://sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/simulating-the-red-planet-on-the-pale-blue-dot.html But I think that the benefits are less than advertised.
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General Discussion / Re: Humans, and eventually a colony on Mars.
« on: January 10, 2013, 10:15:10 pm »
For what purpose are we planning to colonize mars, by the way?
because -- (naah Na na na NA! I live on Mars and you don't)?
full time info gathering? (if so, we'll never have a colony, because rovers will be cheaper)
elbow room [so to speak]? (If so, I still think that mining the moon and mars robotically and shooting it into space via railgun is more efficient)
Or some other reason?
because -- (naah Na na na NA! I live on Mars and you don't)?
full time info gathering? (if so, we'll never have a colony, because rovers will be cheaper)
elbow room [so to speak]? (If so, I still think that mining the moon and mars robotically and shooting it into space via railgun is more efficient)
Or some other reason?