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This is more of a suggestion than anything, but, for the protocol, I think the justice system is ought to give at least some benefit to the player - something as small as a positive thought to all law-abiding dwarves in the fort whenever a just punishment is carried out. The game already gives all dwarves a negative thought if the player convicts an animal/corpse/victim, after all, so the framework is there.

It actually used to pre-stress. Back when we had happiness, a dwarf who survived their prison sentence would get a +1000 happiness bonus which was the same as making an artifact and would make sure that they wouldn't spiral. The problem is that feeding was very buggy *at best*, and beatings/hammerer would pretty much destroy any attempts at making justice not be Dwarf Murder 3000.

The "Is happy to be free" thought is still in the game, but it doesn't provide the same bonus to end spirals like it used to. It also used to be that you needed both Fortress Guards and Royal Guards in 23a/40d or there would be fortress wide negative thoughts. Basically, it's more that Dwarven Justice hasn't changed since the 2D versions but the rest of the game did.

The largest problem with happiness is that the game could lead to a tantrum spiral *very* easily and it didn't take much to send a fortress over the edge. If/when justice worked, that would usually stop things from going worse, but it was very easy to spiral out of control. Stress on the other hand generally prevented the "wafer thin mint" problem, and a single bad day (usually) won't break a dwarf in and of itself. The way the needs/personality changes system works however means that negative stress compounds much worse.

It also didn't help that a lot of these problems started when stress was introduced (late 2014), and we didn't get the exile button until 2018. I'm keeping an eye on this thread after watching Kruggsmash's recent stress test fort. Stress/needs was ultimately the final straw that just made DF unappealing to play and withdraw from the community. If its no longer a micromanagement nightmare, I might try starting/joining a succession fort or two.

Quote from: NCommander on August 21, 2018, 01:24:08 am

Debating if I should sign up for a turn, but Breadbowl never recovered from the dragon powered incineration I brought on it.

Well the good news is, "smoking crater of unmitigated death and despair" is where Breakfastpit started. I'm pretty sure even you can't make things much worse.

Prove me wrong.

... well, when you put it like that, I'm bound to fail now, and in thus failing, turning Breakfastpit into a thriving utopia where happiness reigns, elves are burned, and dwarfs have all their desires fulfilled.

*sniff sniff*

Fe, Fi, Fo, Fumb,

I smell a successor to Breadbowl ...

Debating if I should sign up for a turn, but Breadbowl never recovered from the dragon powered incineration I brought on it.

I'm finally free of being excessively sick \o/. How have pedestals been working?

Follow-up here. I did fix display cases; just need to recheck muesums, but haven't manage to stress test this. If I don't get to it tonight, I'm just going to upload it as is, and let Sethatos abuse it. I'm more confident than the work I did is less likely to break. I do need to create a muesum and make sure it works.

Unfortunately, I had a bad case of "OMG ILL" happen after I posted this.

It's always amazing to see the madness in this thread.

As a note, the original throwback fortress is up for votes in the HoL if anyone wants to vote for it.

Decided to poke my head back into this thread.

Did pestadal's show up with the most recent update? If not, another round of DFHacking can add that. Might as well put the elf skull totems on display