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Quote from: Klekavian on June 22, 2015, 06:08:53 pm

Quote from: Cruxador on June 22, 2015, 05:09:18 am

This sort of thing only really works for people who don't move around much...

And for people who have a Facebook account. I would have liked to represent my city, but alas.

Facebook accounts are free. And they're actually pretty handy sometimes.

My Facebook exists purely so that my girlfriend can list me as "in a relationship with ---"
Otherwise I prefer to avoid social media.

Edit:

You don't need a facebook to post on that.

This. I'm on.
Also, I am breaking the chronology of the forums here. I really didn't feel like replying just to say "This"

Bah, I say let them freely hunt in the caverns. Once they gain enough skill, put them in a marksdwarf squad. Sure, you will loose some. But its natural selection.

Has nobody in this thread realized that if a population of humans which sleeps naked under fruit trees exists, then it follows the climate is exceedingly mild, food is perpetually at hand, and the only thing worth inventing is musical instruments, wine and soap?

Firstly, this is Bay12. Saying that something isn't worth inventing is reason enough to invent it.

Second, who said there is a population of humans sleeping naked under fruit trees? This would make an excellent starting scenario for the Bay12-population-rule-the-Earth scenario. More time to get the centrifuges working!

Quote from: BoredVirulence on June 22, 2015, 03:04:44 pm

Quote from: Boatsniper on June 18, 2015, 05:45:26 pm

Every open tile has no volume and is essentially a pocket dimension, capable of holding an infinite amount of objects and creatures, regardless of apparent size. Forgotten beast corpses, boulders, clothes, ingots, bags, barrels, bins, whatever, a single tile can hold all of them without a problem.

However, according to dwarven physics, two creatures, regardless of size, cannot stand up at the same time while occupying the same tile. One creature will be standing atop all other creatures within that tile. Dwarves themselves cannot seem to comprehend these tiles as infinite pockets of space (unless it's a Garbage Dump zone), and will only ever place one item inside a square with a stockpile designation. Bins/Barrels/Bags fall into the same category, as they are a single item simply holding many at a time.

Can we just stop and marvel the visual depiction of this. I'm imagining walking as a series of dimensional phases. And each tile has its own occupier. Its beautiful really.

The stockpile thing is more an artifact of not comprehending the concept of stacking until much later in development.

The walking is actually a decent approximation, even if the game has yet to really properly handle creatures that have wildly differing sizes.  A tile is 3m tall, and something like 2.5 m wide, and all but the largest creatures fit in it, although a cat obviously takes far less than a full tile, and could easily walk inside the same space as a dwarf.  (Although considering my history with cats, they will cause the dwarf to stumble and not move at full speed because they keep wanting to brush your leg while you are in full swing...)

Either way, they enforce an important concept of Interface, which is that only one thing can be shown per tile, so the rules of crawling encourage players to make wider hallways.

In games where you don't have such rules, for example, Gnomoria or Towns, especially, you can have whole armies of hundreds of creatures fighting every citizen of your town, all of whom are crammed onto two tiles in a giant pair of stacks that constantly mash into each other until one side runs out of critters.

You aren't marveling it properly. Imagine, you're a dwarf. You don't walk, you don't run, you poof from existence into another dimension. Now make every tile the picture of a pocket dimension. Make it dark, and boundless, without stars or sky, just a boundless black across everything other than a floor. The world is filled with an eerie glow that originates from nothing, that is if the tile is exposed to light. Otherwise its dark.

Imagine the way they can see enemies in nearby tiles. Its like a 6th sense, they can feel their presence in nearby worlds, just a poof away.

I think I prefer the game this way.

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We can now continue trying to make it more accurate. I just wanted to think about the implications and imagery of a world where its a series of pocket dimensions.

I really don't see the argument that exponential population growth is going to happen while we're still struggling to feed them. I see the argument that a stable agriculture system specifically bread for producing high yields and being resistant disease, drought, frost, etc, would take time. I see the argument that without pressure population would increase exponentially. I don't see how a lack of food is not a pressure on the population. It also helps that many of us would come from a country with a stable population, we're used to and don't typically want a million kids at once.

I like to think that laws aren't needed here. If you barely have enough food for yourself and your children, why would you have another. I do think there is a need for contraceptives of some form, which is easily acquired as intestines, simply because our society isn't used to the idea of sex always meaning kids.

I don't see the problem. It looks fairly self correcting to me. If anything our population has a bottleneck in the beginning because of we likely have many more men than women. If anything we have a small enough population to be supported by foraging and hunting while we work on a massive irrigation system in a river valley. Maybe we don't have the right crops, but sheer bulk along with a lot of hunting should suffice while we do it. It doesn't take long for farmers to artificially select the best crops, maybe 100 years. Considering the bottleneck our population would have, I think we'd be fine.

Dammit, reading all of this stuff just makes me want to go out and try doing some of this stuff by hand. Sadly, I'd probably kill myself somehow in the process.

I bought large pieces of obsidian a few years ago to practice flintknapping. They're so sharp I've always been afraid to try.

Ocean lag is real and intense.

I modded an aquatic civilization. They build cities in the ocean. What does that mean? Is it floating on the surface? Underwater? No idea, I couldn't get to them. Lag. I no of no solution. I just gave up and consider it a question I'll never know, like the state of the universe before the big bang...

... A satellite that drops tungsten telephone poles?...

This is totally not the place, but the tungsten poles of doom theory has always bothered me. If it releases the same amount of energy as X explosion on impact, its going to require the same amount of energy to get it in orbit, actually more! The cost just isn't worth it until we have space elevators and can not waste energy on lifting the propellant...

Not an attack on you AceSV. I just needed to let that out...