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First, all thanks to the Great Toad for bearing down and birthing DF for us all :> Otherwise we wouldn't be here (well, here at the forum, joined in bearded camaraderie, anyway, bahaha), and we wouldn't have had this much fun..

This thread is truly for everyone else, though.. To all the modders, the DF Talk-transcribers, the bug reporters and the donators, to the LP'ers and tutorial-makers, wiki-updaters..

I often think of DF as an all-Toad work, when it truly is not.. This thread was spurred by seeing "Made plants that grow in winter-spring plantable at all proper times (Quietust)" in the last main page update, and thinking on how many times I've seen it..

Fixed many typos (Gorobay)
Fixed problem dividing out item milligrams in weapon velocities (UristDaVinci)
Adjusted contact area/depth of ammo, max velocity of shooters (Joben)
"Thanks to Zivilin, Pirate Bob, UristDaVinci, Joben, Bertinator and many others that performed various experiments and so on."
"Stopped autosave features from corrupting worlds (thanks to everybody that helped sort that out so quickly!)"
" Thanks to all the birthday well-wishers... that was reasonably intense."

So.. Thanks to everyone that has ever helped DF grow, financially or functionally. We've got a lot of unsung heroes, similar to Batman and Gotham, or knights and their castle :> This thread is for singing about them I'll start!

Thank you, Quietust, for providing what I believe is the only Q avatar on Bay12
. Just wouldn't feel like home without it ... ... ... Seriously though, deepest thanks to all active friends of the fortress!

I've had two dwarves dehydrate, one fisherman while standing next to water (and two tiles from the well), and this last one was Queen Meng, King Moul's omni-skilled companion :| They are out of booze, but 'brew drink from plant' won't show up in the brewery despite being by a massive stockpile of plump helmets (and a hideous supply of barrels and pots..)

Almost positive that nothing is forbidden, or locked away, or stockpile tied up giving to another pile, etc.. I'm worried yet another critical dwarf will be the next to dry up (I've only got 20..).. Something is keeping the workshop from acknowledging the supplies..

Also my expert metalcrafter ended up getting pincushion-ed by a goblin and now I've enabled metalcrafting for an inexperienced dwarf and he refuses to do any metal-work..

I was under the impression that the guard captain just headed up a second squad of soldiers and was supposed to be a couple notches mo' fancy than the others.. When reading "captain of the guard" I didn't envision a heretic-hunting hyper-fanatic Guardsman with a capital G.. I never appoint a sheriff, and have also ignored guard captain til now..

Attempting to shape up a real fully lethal military this round, though, and I appointed an expert level macedwarf migrant (fully equipped with masterwork mace) from my first squad into the role of guard captain.. He'd obliterated three dwarves, two of which were legendary craftsmen, before I knew what was happening..

THEN I went to read the wiki.. At this point the only "criminal" left alive was Sarvesh, my first master engraver, and a dwarf I'd been keeping an eye on over time.. He offended the mayor (now baroness) ages ago over a goblet or scepter mandate and the baroness has kept a complaint posted on it in her mood description (upset by some undelivered punishment)..

Now that the guard captain has arrived justice will be delivered! Sarvesh, our final felon, is laid up in the hospital with a fractured left ankle and foot, except the 'Wounds' menu shows that its more than that.. Looks like multiple breaks and definitely multiple infections, despite the emu soap.. Looking through his treatment log he's has an average of 5 procedures a day (including cleanings) for a month and a half now..

And now, because I noobed up and appointed a guard captain I didn't need, three dwarves are dead. Once I noticed that dwarven justice was being served up by our dear captain I booted him (and his shiny steel mace) in favor of a skill-less peasant whom I eventually equipped with just a steel helm and a tower-cap blowgun (going to see if he'll beat people with it, naturally..) The next problem was appointing a hammerer and axedwarf into the guard captain's squad, again not realizing that his whole crew dishes out "justice" right along with him..

Now, with Sarvesh laid up in the hospital with a volcanic/weeping/stinking foot, unconscious, our blowgun equipped captain is spamming me with "Kulet Uddarrisen, captain of the guard cancels Beat Criminal: Invalid officer." while standing by Sarvesh's hospital bed.. Occasionally he'll leave and store an item or two in a stockpile, but he always comes back.. He also follows him to the traction bench when the doctors move him..

If he gets out of bed at all I want him back to engraving crap, not getting caned with a blowgun until his punisher passes out.. Dwarven justice, why!?

As a side note, I've got a prison being set up, gold used anywhere it can be, but I'm not so sure I want the law man around at all.. If I kill him will his position be auto-filled? I don't care much about bad feelings, either, since the original captain and his goons mowed down those 3 dwarves right in the middle of the dining hall in front of the entire fort :> I could send him into the caverns to spend time with that scorpion FB..

Hrm.. My dusty, old, conflict-free fort has generated some kind of trouble :| A 5-wagon caravan from the mountainhomes arrives and begins pathing to my depot, requiring them to go all the way around the wall.. At the same time I'm having a 3 tile wide buffer of wooden floors built around the entire fort to help keep trees away from the walls, and now I've got:

*one of my own carpenters that apparently attacked a swordsdwarf guard that came with the caravan (he got his neck chopped out for his troubles..)
*another miner who also lost his head when he decided to attack the same swordsdwarf..
*my woodcrafter attacks the merchant, no damage done, then my miner stepped in and put a pick through the merchant's head..
*five of my dwarves standing in a pile viciously beating one of my many, many migrant Traders..

Not sure what to make of this, though I'll be a bit irritated if it leads to a spiral I'm not currently saved, though, so I can fall back and lose some progress in favor of burrowing everyone and pulling the drawbridge when these merchants re-arrive in the alternate savescummed reality :|

Anyway, I can't find a source for this whole conflict starting..

Seems like my dwarves wanted a drink that you can eat..



Known bug, I'm assuming? He almost made enough for everyone in the fort to get one..

Been keeping this notepad open as I play DF and have been adding things as I come across them.. This list hasn't been compared to Toady's future plans at all, and some of it is already doable through mods and things.. Most of it is smaller streamlining/UI/usability stuff and some hardcoded stuff that'd be nice to see set free, and any critique or comments are appreciated (especially concerning already-planned stuff..):


*A genned world (or is a seed enough, or accurate?), chosen/generated by Toady himself, for each stable release.. "The sacred soil of Armok!" Ideally these maps would be genned with the entire DF fanbase in mind in regards to fps-death and map size, or maybe a small, medium, and large world (though thats a lot of choosing.. I was thinking of a single map in the spirit of community togetherness..) This would be cool for community forts, and just to see what kind of world Sir Toad chooses..

*Strange moods for military dwarves that have claimed a weapon, that adds improvements to the weapon (serrated edge, blood-letting holes, double-edging, spikes or weights or pommel guards.. It'd have to actually raise the material properties for the weapon, though, from what I've read about weapon function..)

*Legends mode function for skipping to the bottom (and maybe center for the longer entries).. Its painful scrolling through decades of history just to get to a creature's 'kills' list..

*Pet hospital

*Display previous info about trade agreements when traders arrive.. "I have those llamas you asked for." or "Do you have any of the splints or plants for sale that we spoke about previously?" type stuff.. Next time they show up I probably won't remember that I had some legendary splints carved to sell them without some help..

*Allow skeletons to be dismantled into usable bones

*Sort the "Workshop Profile" dwarf-list by skill in the profession related to the workshop (ex. list best cooks first for kitchen).. It'd be great if it could display their skills too, like when you assign nobles or soldiers..

*Zone designation where dwarves place grazer-edible items (or animal food in general) so animals
can be fed anywhere (wild animals would eat from these if possible, too.. Always that downside!)

*Allow dwarves to embark on worlds where dwarves never existed at all, and set some
requirements for how early a dwarf can claim ruler status (I embarked in 40.13 recently in a world where
all dwarves were dead and one of my starting dwarves immediately claimed the crown, and immediately
started generating bad thoughts from all his crazed mandates and room requirements..)

*Allow embarking with 1-20 dwarves, and totally disabling migrant waves (entirely!)

*Ability to physically view an embark site before actually committing to an embark, and being
able to personally place your starting wagon, and the ability to have dwarves push or drag the wagon to
new locations after embark..

*Optionally dress all (even non-military) dwarves slot-by-slot

*Ability to order a dwarf to wet an area with a water (.. or magma?) bucket, for putting out
fires and watering farm areas

*Allow the military 'move' command to be issued to non-military dwarves, along with a targetable function to tell a dwarf to move a single item

*Display the name of the targeted tile when placing mining designations

*Allow in-game aquifer on/off toggle in worldgen (this may already be possible??)

*Allow woodcutters or gatherers to destroy tree saplings (more elegant than building dirt roads
over them)

*Let craftsdwarf or farmer workshops apply liquids (and ideally globs and dusts) to weaponry for limited-use poisoning

*Allow barrels, refuse, corpses, hives, cages, and living creatures to be fired by catapults (the ability to fire up over walls in an arc would be awesome too..)

*Allow all material-shaping workshops to benefit (quicker build times) from 'power' access (a windmill, for example)

*Add a second playable sub-species of dwarves that DO NOT CARE (will eat pets, will display
trophies, will eat sapients, and they ENJOY doing these things; example being a dwarf who has
its pet eaten by another will actually respect the other dwarf more for being so dwarfly..
(Probably better left to a mod, but would provide a more dwarfly experience in the vanilla
version..)

   **A splinter of the above suggestion, it'd be awesome to be able to disable ghosts,
grudges, and all individual dwarven emotions (mood hits from pet deaths, friend/child deaths,
etc..) Basically options to allow play of a tantrum-free fort, however undwarfly it may be

*Add explosives production and bomb usage (for war/traps, mining, and science).. Could be something like Metal Barrel + Powdered Coal + lever = explosions.. A fuse made of cloth (and maybe tallow), if you want to add another layer of difficulty.. Not sure if DF has saltpeter or sulfer, but those two and charcoal are the ingredients in common gunpowder, for realism.. I'm guessing there are some DF-design problems with explosions, or Sir Toad is possibly opposed to explosions, else I figure we'd already have explosions..

*Allow fires to be set purposefully in fort mode (Fire-starting labor option in
alchemy/cleaning/architecture section)

*Ability to remove or add all dwarves from a burrow with a single command

*Make a traffic designation that absolutely forbids passage to your dwarves and animals
(wouldn't effect hostiles or wild creatures, of course)

*Some new non-evil rain interaction types..

*Dwarves will play insturments if their musicality is high enough and they have no job.
Dwarves that like music will get a small boost to mood, dwarves with low musicality will be slightly irritated by music and won't purposefully attend 'concerts', when held. (EDIT: Dec 1: I read about this one in the tavern arc recently, so its on the way.. though it'd still be nice to have early access to pre-tavern fort-mode music..)

I named a single dwarf 'Trashcan Man' (+1 for the reference-getters) and all he has enabled is corpse hauling, feed patients/prisoners, burial, refuse hauling, and 'cleaning', but he sits around like a bum unless someone needs buried, from all I've seen (though I haven't watched him for as long as I should have..)

The real problem here is the undead herd outside that forced me to run underground, and now all dwarves and animals are hanging out in the engraved statue-filled throne room/dining room/statue garden/happy place..

About twelve animals starved to death all at once and a new one dies every five or ten minutes and the result is a never-ending wave of stink constantly washing over my tantrum-sensitive dorflings :| Can't seem to get anyone to haul them off even though the majority of hauling jobs are done (enough that dwarves can sit around with no job pretty often..) and relevant stockpiles are nearby.. Trashcan Man's performance failure saddens me, most of all.. :>

So.. How do I get these lazy dwarves to get rid of these bodies? It seems like they wait til they're fully-rotted non-stinking skeletons before they haul them off when I do see them getting hauled..

SAD EDIT: Just designated the corpses for dumping and Trashcan ran right off and did his job :| RAAAAAGH! I figured they'd haul things like that to the stockpile without having to issue a dump (*snickers*) order.. The only time I ever even used dump previous to this was to auto-haul stone and wood with DFHack