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Hello all.

What I have here is a bit of a conundrum.

I have what I think is a really cool looking map, but... I'm not sure exactly what I want to do with it.

That cliff side is just begging to be smoothed, but... do I cut off all the stuff in the N/NE corner as well, having a giant cliff taking up just the West side of the map, or do I leave that part alone?

Do I use that "mini spire" as a natural ramp to the entrance of my fortress, complete with massive bridge project, or do I just put the entrance on the ground floor... or even just dig in from the top?

The one thing I do know for sure... there's going to be a waterfall over the entrance if it's on a cliff side. I'm also tempted to have a dining room that's open to the outside... wow, what a view!

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any sand, so I can't have a dining room that juts out with a waterfall pouring over a glass dome around it

This isn't going to be a community fort at all, nor can I guarantee a story (though I did get one started at the map archive), but I would like to have your input on what should be done!

I'd like to see what other people come up with as well, so if you would like to embark on this location for yourself:



Oh, yeah, it was genned in 40c, I haven't bothered upgrading to 40d yet. I have history culling turned off, if that makes a difference. If you just want my save, here ya go. (Yeah, there's a bit more food than I suggest at the DFMA, I just said that to give them a reason to make a fortress instead of heading home.)

(Edit: Holy wall of text! Consider this original part as the tl;dr version.)

Inspired by* Dolohov, we should have a yearly report. It could show such things as wealth produced that year, the number of each type of job that was completed, change in food/drinks, etc. It could have the numbers modified by the bookkeeper's settings, just like on the status and stocks screens. It would also, as in his comment, allow time for 1 year of world gen history stuff to occur. There could also be either an init option or (preferably) an in game toggle on the (o)rders screen for those who don't want to see it.

* Inspired by = Stolen from

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Update:

Now that it's not 1 in the morning and I'm a bit more... awake, let's try a more organized list of what I personally would like to see:

+/- Change in:

• Food - could have a sub list of the different types listed on the status screen: meat, fish, plant, and other
• Drink
• Wealth
• Population - could also have a sub list for children and adults, or profession, or both (profession as a sub of adults?)

The +/-'s would be pretty easy to do: just remember what the numbers were last year (using zero for everything on the first year, of course) and subtract that from the current count.

This is meant to be a broad list to get a general idea of how your fortress is doing. Did that one legendary brewer crank out a lot more excess booze than those two professionals did last year, or did my overall booze stocks go down while he was running the show? I lost a lot of food this year, even though my population only went up 5. I'll have to see why that happened. Etc., etc.

Yearly Totals:

• Exports
• Imports
• Migrants
• Enemies killed - sub list of siegers, ambushers, thieves, kidnappers, and others? Could be combined with the ones below instead of it's own category
• Ambushes (that are discovered and/or resolved; I don't think I've had one of these yet...)
• Sieges (that are resolved, so a siege that's still going on at the end of the year doesn't count; it will count towards the next year's list, assuming it's solved then)
• Jobs completed, especially:
  
  • Animals slaughtered
  • Corpses butchered
  • Completed hunts - huge discrepancies in these numbers can point out a large inefficiency with your butcher shops that you may not have noticed
  • Tanned hides - ditto with the tanner
  • Fish caught
  • Fish cleaned - for same reasons as above
  • Trees cut
• How much food rotted

Those are the ones I'd like to see, though you could also include other fun totals like:

• Tiles mined - channeled, dug, ramps, stairs, removed up ramps/stairs, etc.
• Items created - probably best to stick with broad categories

That's a lot to fit on one screen, so it might be best to pick and choose important ones, though it wouldn't hurt to have multiple pages or have the screen scrollable like the help windows. If a year of history were to be run during this time (as in that other suggestion thread, obviously an idea that I support) it should probably mention that input may not respond while the history is running.

Maybe it would be best to have some kind of RAW file to define it? Then it could be laid out however you want!

[COLUMN1]
[POPULATION] (change in population, no break down)
[FOOD] (change in food, no break down)
[DRINKS_BY_TYPE] (change in drinks with a sub list for each
type: sunshine, sewer brew, dwarven ale, etc.)

[COLUMN2]
[MIGRANTS] (total migrants, no break down)
[JOBS_COMPLETED] (total of each type of job that was completed)
[+JOBS_COMPLETED] (change in jobs completed compared to last year;
should display all that occurred in either year)

I think Toady's going to hate me now

I just had what I consider to be the worst and most embarrassing death that I've ever had in ADOM. No, not something silly that lots of newbies have problems with, like food, forgetting you can pray, or anything like that. No, friends, I hit a teleport trap and landed in this room:

(Potential minor spoiler.)


Needless to say, being a trollish monk at level 7, I had no way out. I did have a wand of monster creation, which may have given me a corpse that would give me teleportitis, but no such luck.

I ended up pissing off my god so he would strike me down rather than starve to death... I ended up with -12k points

Several times on several different forts now I have requested Cows, Horses, and Dogs at full priority from the Liaison, and the next fall the caravan brings cages of... vermin. Is this a bug, or do they just hate me?

Making a coffin into a tomb, then freeing it and setting it to be used for burial doesn't respect the COFFIN_NO_PETS_DEFAULT option. See movie.

Edit: Fixed the subject line.

[ March 03, 2008: Message edited by: Nesoo ]

Miners are deselecting trees and plants by trying to mine them, then generating a cancel message; see the video. Noticed in 38c, though could have been present before.

Bug 500 seems to be back. Video #1 after I noticed some got canceled, video #2 started before I designated another set.