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This is possible because without CCS there's nothing to stop you. There's no counterpoint to your arguement.

Try it with CCS active and see how things go...

On an unrelated note I've been looking at articles about 'best free PC games' and noticed a distinct lack of LCS. DF hits every list because...it's DF, if Toady spent time on the UI it'd be bigger then Minecraft, but I think everyone forgets that LCS is still an active game and 1000x deeper then when it first came out as a 'throwaway' curses game. I am not active enough on the internet anymore to try and pimp this game but to those of you who are, it'd be nice to get LCS mentioned again...

Fair enough. If someone decides to pursue it further we can look at emperical data combined with personal anecdotes. As usual, internet is taken with a grain of salt.


This does raise an overall question: how 'cinematic' should LCS be? Would we rather have 'cinema' style silenced guns that shoot whispers or if it turns out that all a silencer system can do is turn ear-bleeding sound into rock concert sound?

Allow high level martial arts to block bladed weapons with their hands? Allow high sword skill to block bullets with the blade?


Perhaps have that as a starting option: Realistic vs. Cinematic. Cinematic would unlock crazy OTT stuff at high combat levels (like trick shooting so a single bullet hits two guys, stabbing through a tank etc.). Perhaps Genetic Mutants should be classified as 'cinematic' and be removed from realistic game play? (Same thing with talking dogs at L+ animal rights etc.

A big area that needs some TLC is removing the references to Leadership skill

I just want to take a quick second to say what a pleasure it has been watching LCS grow from an initial tiny game into the monstrosity of wonder it has become today. I've been playing it off and on since the beginning and thinking back about how the game was versus what it has become now? My deepest thanks to everyone who has contributed a lot or a little over the years as this has not only been an ongoing source of amusement and entertainment but also a tribute of selfless dedication by the community.

Great job, everyone 

As cript so wisely pointed out, I did not fully understand the rules. I come from a mafia land where you have to reach the majority to lynch, and if the majority is not reached, then it results in a no lynch.

So here's a question, even if he was going to be lynched, why is it so suspicious that I hammered him? He was already dead as I doubt the votes would have shifted severely in under an hour on D1.

You seem awfully obsessed about me hammering even though apparently it wouldn't have made a difference.

Interesting...

Praguepride, your thoughts on what has happened?

God I hate digging for quotes on this forum....

Anyway, here's what I think happened:

scum started random D1 bandwagons. Common scum tactic as everyone's accusing everyone. If it works, great because responsability is very light ("everyone was acusing everyone...").

Now, we had an almost D1 lynch which is the WORST kind of no lynch. If you get lynch -1 but miss the deadline, then all the next phase is wasted focused on that person when if he had just been lynched, an answer would have come up.

Now everything I've done has been for the purpose of town. Hell, I'm being far more truthful then I should. I'm not really jivving well with the Bay 12 style of mafia. I'm probably not going to play another game. My motivation is low. If you want to lynch me JUST because of that, fine.

However, I am not a douche and I'm not going to completely phone it in either. No need for replacements. I'll monitor things, throw my vote down, and play to win. It might not be the most fun for me, but whatever. Unfortunately, my lack of motivation is probably going to keep me alive for quite some time as scum don't like to kill lazy townies.

Finally, I think criptfiend is scum for 3 reasons.

1) He started the bandwagon on a townie. Scum would *know* who's town and who isn't.
2) Jokereman died accusing criptfiend
3) Cript has been very keen on pointing out the "scummy" aspects of other players, jumping on what I consider pretty trivial things and blowing them out of proportion. This is a very common scum tactic as it is rather effective if you're not watching for it.

Now, I'm NOT getting into a big WIFOM debate as that's a waste of time. I go with my gut and a healthy dose of Occam's Razor. I've played with (who I consider) some VERY good scum players, and they never rely on convaluted plots within plots because it's so easy for it to be ruined by one lynch. In a bare bones basic game like this, I think scum are going to play it by the book: stay out of the spotlight, jump on townies but don't cast suspicious votes.

As for my current allegations, I've accused criptfiend. He's responded in three different ways to a single vote by a supposedly suspicious townie. That sets off another red flag for me.

@criptfeind: Questions? Why would I ask you questions? If you're scum, you're just going to lie to me. this is a barebones game. But fine, I'll ask some stupid questions:

1) Why are you jumping on other people for minor transgressions?
2) Why are you responding to a single allegation in three different ways (first irritation at not being asked a question, then you undermined my comment by saying that Joker pressured me and Siquo more then you despite him having his vote on you, and finally trying to wiggle away by accusing me of dancing around when I'd just dropped a massive text bomb containing far more truth then anything else posted so far.)
3) If you're not scum and I'm not scum, then that leaves 5 people, 40% which are scum. So who's it going to be?
4) How badly do you want me to be lynched just to shut me up?

Alright, you can either do a knee-jerk reaction and vote for me and mislynch again or we can sit down and figure out what happens.

I'm not exactly a pro at this game, especially not on this site, but from what I've seen, D1 mislynches are usually town against town. Scum are more then happy to sit back and either let things go to a no lynch or let town mislynch each other because either way, they're clean. If they mislynch or try to mislynch D1, they've exposed themselves early and risk going 1 for 1 with town, which is a recipe for scum failure.

So, a better question is: why was Jokerman-EXE killed? Scum kill people for 1 of 3 reasons:
1) revenge
2) fear (especially if the guy is a pro scum hunter)
3) they were on to something.

Now, I'll level with you guys, my motivation to play is next to none. I'm here watching things go but I'm just not feeling it to invest a ton of time psycho-analyzing everyone's posts, especially when I have 0 clue about who's playing suspiciously.

Anyway, who did Joker accuse? Who did Joker vote for? Those are the questions that will uncover scum.

As for me, I'm just a really awesome actor