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If you don't see the passive aggressive jabs at DF in Ayroc's posts, then you really need to get out more.

Assume makes an ass out of me and you. 

ITT: people calling a very early pre-alpha build of a game worthless.

Seriously, guys, stop it. you're making me feel bad about being a DF fan, and I've been playing since 2D. I'm just glad no other fanbase feels this way about a game, otherwise we might not have progressed past Doom and Akalabeth. He's making a game clearly influenced by DF and that's a Good Thing. I, personally, would like to see multiple projects along this line, so that there might be a bit of competition.

Over on the SA forums they're saying that DF is just a mad libs generator, and in a lot of ways they're right. The stated purpose of DF is to automatically generate a world, replete with legends, civilizations, monsters, and people. We like it because not only is it a madlibs generator, but it's a damn fine madlibs generator.

This Kobald Camp project already has some things that I think it does better then DF (and anyone who tries to flat out say I'm wrong is a moron. Toady is, in fact, human, and he'll be the first to admit he's fallible). Aside from the UI (which is great so far) I like the fact that  the real work is done by your orcs, and all the menial labour seems to be done by the gobbos. I absolutely love the idea of setting a hard floor for materials, so that you never need to worry about running out of, for example, iron bars. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that if you have enough goblins when you issue a work order they'll bring all the materials to the workshop at once.

And finally, anyone saying anything denigrating about the gameplay: Don't be stupid, the guy only started it about a month ago, there is no gameplay yet.

I agree with this. There is nothing wrong with making a game based off of something you were inspired by. For example, Minecraft was inspired by DF, but Minecraft is not like DF at all so does that make it "miss the point"? No. Not only does having more games of a "genre" make competition, but it also adds new ideas to the table. Everyone's got their own vision, the guy making Goblin Camp may have a different one than Toady's but that doesn't make it better or worse.

Maybe there needs to be a FAQ, and question 1 can be 'what's with the interface' so we can finally cram it through people's skulls why interface is not a feature to implement at this stage of development.

And I wholesomely disagree. Toady is at the stage of development of making Dwarf Fortress a playable copy. Of course Toady still has many things he wants to add into the game, but being honest no one knows when that will be. But a better interface isn't that hard to add and would actually be beneficial when adding new features, because instead of adding it to a broken one, your adding it to one that works. And yet again people saying that they don't get the new military screen are just showcasing that point. The new military screen is terrible just like the rest, but because the military screen doesn't have a bunch of tutorials explaining how to use it, it's seen as being the worst part. When we first saw it on .31.01's release no one understood it, but I'm guessing in a couple of months when people have explained it enough with videos and such, aka when people actually get it, it will seem easy. It's just that, an interface shouldn't take that amount of time and effort to understand. A 3rd party shouldn't be required to jump into a game. That's why an easier to understand interface/UI is essential and not a "throw-away bottom of the list" feature.

I've been looking for a good tileset, I want to try this out!

Lol at 56k warning.

How exactly is it child slave labor?, I mean she can just quit the job if she thinks they are exploiting her and file a complaint. They probably are paying low wage and need to work longer because they are running out of business anyways.

And then there were cats. Lots of them.

The end.